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Speaker 1: We have been talking about the Adelaide City Council's AI parking car, parking fine car for some time now. And we spoke to Dallas Call this week, who owns a tourism business, and he was fined by the AI car for pulling over for 37 seconds to pick up a bunch of passengers who were here to see Adelaide and do a tour. And he's taking that fine. Well, he is not taking that fine. He's trying to... oppose it to the council well there's one adelaide city councillor who hopes to do something about the car carmel noon joins you this morning good morning to you carmel.
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Speaker 2: Noon morning stacy morning everyone.
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Speaker 1: Now you've been looking interstate about what they've done with these ai cars what have you been able to.
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Speaker 2: Find well some interesting information that um I've been digging up, especially in New South Wales. The New South Wales government changed the state legislation effects from the 1st of July 2025. And it generally requires parking officers across New South Wales to leave a paper fine or notification on the vehicle with limited exceptions. So the officer may attach a penalty notice itself or a notification card. The card is not just a warning. It tells the driver that the parking fine has been recorded while the formal penalty notice is then sent to Revenue New South Wales. So what I can verify is that Sydney introduced paperless fines from 2021 with rangers. Don't you love that? They call them rangers. Recording office offences and Revenue New South Wales sending the notices later. So obviously that wasn't working. And then in 2025, they changed that to actually putting these notices. And something like 98% of fines in the City of Sydney were done via these notices put on cars, which sort of suggests that the park-safe type car that they may have been using is not being used anymore anymore. And I also found the legislation, the supporters across the political parties, that an immediate notice would give drivers a fair chance to see what they were accused of and, for example, clear obscured signs. And the government's reply described the bill as a practical fairness reform. So I guess my motion that I'm putting up next week is, It's sort of a follow-on from a motion that Councillor Snape and myself moved and seconded in February, asking the administration to review ParkSafe. In response, a report was first sent to committee and then council. In May, the report described safeguards intended to prevent an incorrect or unfair expiation. So, you know, I'm hearing a significant volume of concern from the community. And, you know, hearing from people like Dallas and programs like yourself. So my motion is to check whether those safeguards are working in practice. And I think that, you know, we need to go down this process to actually see how we could improve on these processes, on timelines, on, you know, people describe as being caught by trying to read a sign online. or dealing with a brief real-time situation. So I think, you know, I mean, we've all been in this situation where we've run to our car, we're running late, and there's the parking inspector just about to ride out a fine, and you actually, you know, tell them some story, and they see how anxious you are, and then they just give you a warning and walk off. Well, you can't do that with this, you know, park-safe car. Yep.
00:04:06
Speaker 1: Okay. So... We'll see how that motion goes next week. It's interesting that in New South Wales, the state government had to introduce legislation to prevent something like this. I wonder if the state government here would consider doing the same.
Speaker 1: We have been talking about the Adelaide City Council's AI parking car, parking fine car for some time now. And we spoke to Dallas Call this week, who owns a tourism business, and he was fined by the AI car for pulling over for 37 seconds to pick up a bunch of passengers who were here to see Adelaide and do a tour. And he's taking that fine. Well, he is not taking that fine. He's trying to... oppose it to the council well there's one adelaide city councillor who hopes to do something about the car carmel noon joins you this morning good morning to you carmel.
00:00:39
Speaker 2: Noon morning stacy morning everyone.
00:00:42
Speaker 1: Now you've been looking interstate about what they've done with these ai cars what have you been able to.
00:00:48
Speaker 2: Find well some interesting information that um I've been digging up, especially in New South Wales. The New South Wales government changed the state legislation effects from the 1st of July 2025. And it generally requires parking officers across New South Wales to leave a paper fine or notification on the vehicle with limited exceptions. So the officer may attach a penalty notice itself or a notification card. The card is not just a warning. It tells the driver that the parking fine has been recorded while the formal penalty notice is then sent to Revenue New South Wales. So what I can verify is that Sydney introduced paperless fines from 2021 with rangers. Don't you love that? They call them rangers. Recording office offences and Revenue New South Wales sending the notices later. So obviously that wasn't working. And then in 2025, they changed that to actually putting these notices. And something like 98% of fines in the City of Sydney were done via these notices put on cars, which sort of suggests that the park-safe type car that they may have been using is not being used anymore anymore. And I also found the legislation, the supporters across the political parties, that an immediate notice would give drivers a fair chance to see what they were accused of and, for example, clear obscured signs. And the government's reply described the bill as a practical fairness reform. So I guess my motion that I'm putting up next week is, It's sort of a follow-on from a motion that Councillor Snape and myself moved and seconded in February, asking the administration to review ParkSafe. In response, a report was first sent to committee and then council. In May, the report described safeguards intended to prevent an incorrect or unfair expiation. So, you know, I'm hearing a significant volume of concern from the community. And, you know, hearing from people like Dallas and programs like yourself. So my motion is to check whether those safeguards are working in practice. And I think that, you know, we need to go down this process to actually see how we could improve on these processes, on timelines, on, you know, people describe as being caught by trying to read a sign online. or dealing with a brief real-time situation. So I think, you know, I mean, we've all been in this situation where we've run to our car, we're running late, and there's the parking inspector just about to ride out a fine, and you actually, you know, tell them some story, and they see how anxious you are, and then they just give you a warning and walk off. Well, you can't do that with this, you know, park-safe car. Yep.
00:04:06
Speaker 1: Okay. So... We'll see how that motion goes next week. It's interesting that in New South Wales, the state government had to introduce legislation to prevent something like this. I wonder if the state government here would consider doing the same.
