Barbie in the Nutcracker (2001 DTV Film) + The Toycracker (2016 Target Ad) - With Jaz Vianey

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Hey everyone, it's Jonathan, and welcome back
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to Christmas in July. Today's episode is one
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that I've had in mind for a Nutcracker series
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for a while, but I had yet to get around to it
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until JazzV &A suggested it. We had recorded
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a podcast earlier this year, and we got to talking
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afterwards about other things she might want
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to talk about, and when I mentioned I was planning
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to do a few new versions of the Nutcracker in
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July, she suggested Barbie in the Nutcracker,
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and I was definitely on board. I've talked about
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a handful of Barbie movies in the past. They've
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never been a favorite thing of mine. I never
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grew up with them, so I didn't have any nostalgia
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for them. And the animation quality can vary
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pretty widely. However, with this one, I'd heard
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from so many people, friends and strangers, that
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this one is near universally beloved. So I went
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in expecting a lot. which is probably never a
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great idea. To be clear, this one is definitely
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better than some other Barbie media I have watched,
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but I think I was expecting something more memorable
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for this, and it just really was of a direct
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-to -video quality, which is exactly what it
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is, and it never pretended to be anything more
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than it was. I just let the internet hype train
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over -inflate my expectations. Anyway, all that
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to say, this movie is fine for what it is, and
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I enjoyed talking about it with Jazz. But also,
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as a bonus, right before we recorded, Jazz sent
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me a commercial? Very short TV special? I'm not
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100 % sure what it was made for, but Target made
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a very short version of The Nutcracker for some
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reason, starring Chrissy Teigen and John Legend,
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and Jazz wanted to add that to our discussion.
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So consider this podcast a two for the price
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of one. Okay. Barbie and the Nutcracker. Yep.
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This is one that I've had it on my list as something
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to do for a Nutcracker series for a while. It
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just is not one I've gotten around to, so I was
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glad that you chose this one as one you would
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want to do. Yes. Is this one you grew up with?
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Ironically, no. Well, I've only watched it, not
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counting this recent viewing today. I've only
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watched it once in my life, and I didn't really
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like it. I know everyone considers it as a cult
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classic regarding Barbie films, but I didn't
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see the appeal. And going through this film again
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a second time, I now realize why. So when did
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you first see this one? Honestly, I don't remember,
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but it did come out the year I was born, though.
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2001. Okay. Yeah, I had not seen this one. I've
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seen a couple other Barbie movies for the podcast,
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but I didn't grow up with this one, obviously.
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It came out past my time. I would have been a
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teenager when it came out, and my little brothers
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would have had no interest in it. I watched everything
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with them, but this isn't something that they
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would have ever checked out from the library.
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So I have never seen this before watching it
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for the podcast. I thought it was interesting.
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It's definitely not a favorite version of the
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Nutcracker, but I've seen worse. That's good
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to know, because if I'm honest, I'm not too familiar
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with the whole Nutcracker series as a whole.
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And I say that ironically, because in Houston,
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where I'm from, we have a ballet performance
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of the Nutcracker every Christmas season, and
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I never bothered to go. Not even when Nutcracker
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and the Four Realms came out in 2018. I did briefly
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consider going to the ballet for that year, and
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I did not. Okay. I've never seen a full performance
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of the ballet. I've seen some video versions,
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but I think they were all probably shorter than
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if you actually went to a ballet. I don't know
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how accurate it will be, but one of the ones
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that I'm doing later on for the podcast will
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be the Macaulay Culkin one from the 90s, which
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is a ballet, but I don't know how much of the
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ballet it is, because it's like a movie length.
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But I want to say the ballet is longer than a
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movie length, so I don't know. I will say from
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the bare bones of the story outline alone, It
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could be easily cut down for time. Because the
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first half is just basically the Nutcracker defeating
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the Mouse King, and then the second half is just
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everyone celebrating. The Nutcracker is one of
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those stories where it has so many different
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interpretations, and part of that is because
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it is both based on a book and the ballet. And
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different versions pick different pieces of either
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the book or the ballet to use for their version,
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which I think this Barbie version did a little
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bit of that. But it also did something that I've
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seen quite a lot in that they took the basic
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outline and then made up their own story to go
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with it. There was a lot of this that I've never
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seen before. And in some cases it does work.
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In some cases it does. This one, I guess it worked,
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but if you're a Nutcracker purist, I don't think
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you're going to like this one too much. I'm just
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whatever for this version, at least. Or at least
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the ones I've seen, which is not very much. So
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what was it about this one that made you suggest
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it when I asked if there were any Nutcracker
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ones you wanted to do? Maybe it's because, I
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guess the main reason is, number one, I'm a big...
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fan of the barbie films when they were coming
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out like throughout the 2000s and early 2010s
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and i know this was a staple for the series because
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it's the very first one of the series and it
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started like this whole series because of it
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so i think that's why there's such reverence
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to it even though some story stuff and the animation
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isn't that good I had not realized that this
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was the first Barbie movie. There have been,
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like, some specials in the past, but I think
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this is, like, the first real film, like, CGI
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-wise, at least. Which I hadn't realized that
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this was the one that kicked off the whole franchise.
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It's an interesting place to start. I'm not sure
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why they would have picked the Nutcracker. I
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don't know that it's something that immediately
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jumps out to me as, like, yeah, this is what
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we should make. our first barbie movie about
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but i guess it works yeah and i guess another
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reason why i chose this version specifically
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is that many young girls or who became romanticist
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readers and such loved the romance between clara
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and the nutcracker like this version specifically
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okay that's something that a lot of versions
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do i don't know it is sort of based on the story
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so it makes sense claire is usually I don't know
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what age she's supposed to be in this, but Clara
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is usually younger. She's supposed to be a kid,
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but in this version, she's a teenager. Yes. And
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it's weird for me, because every time I see Barbie,
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I think she's a woman in her 20s. I never see
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her as a teenager. She always just reads older.
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I see her in her late teens, like between 18
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and 20. Mm -hmm. She always just reads older
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to me. So I could tell that she was supposed
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to be younger, based on the way this story went.
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But it's one of those things where it's hard
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for me to get it out of my head where, like,
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she's supposed to be a kid. She's not 20. Before
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we begin with our discussion, are we going to
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discuss about the Target ad I sent? We can. I
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didn't know if you had sent that thinking it
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would be something for the end or the beginning,
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but wherever you want. I prefer the beginning
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because just like any main theatrical release,
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at least the Disney and Pixar ones, you always
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start off with a short before the main film.
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Sure, that works. And the ad ties in well because
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it's toys. It's related to toys. It is. Yeah,
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I had never seen this before. Even Barbie appears,
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like regular Barbie, I should say. Life in the
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Dreamhouse -esque era Barbie. So I didn't really
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have much to... Honestly, this is the one Nutcracker
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adaptation besides Four Realms that sticks in
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my mind the most, even though it's almost 10
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years old this year. Yeah, I'd never seen this
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before, so this was new to me. Yeah, so it's
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very, very niche, to me at least. No one posts
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this ad every Christmas on social media, let
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me put it that way. So where did you find this?
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Or is this something you saw when it came out?
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I saw this when it first came out. Okay. I thought
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it was like 2015 when it came out, but no. According
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to the YouTube video I found for it, it's 2016.
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Okay. And supposedly the user who posted this
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is the main girl who plays Clara in this ad.
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Short film. Okay. Isabella Russo, that's her
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name. But I noticed, like, within a few seconds,
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I recognized the speaker who comes on the stage
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before the play starts is Kylie Cantrell, who
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is currently known for playing Princess Red in
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the Descendants Pocket Watch trilogy. Oh. Okay.
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She looks distinct to me. She really stands out,
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even though she has no real role in the play
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other than to introduce it. Hmm. Okay. I know
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the name, but it's not somebody I'm familiar
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with, and I haven't watched the Descendants movies
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yet. If I'm honest, like... the pocket watch
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trilogy it's its own thing like many fans of
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the descendants franchise like practically disown
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this part of the franchise like rising red was
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the first one in this new series that came out
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in 2024 and the second installment wicked wonderland
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is scheduled to come out later this year like
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this summer actually and i'm safely assuming
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there's going to be a third and final one tying
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it all off but I call it the pocket watch trilogy
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because that's the main object of the trilogy
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and time travel is involved. So that's who she
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is. And I honestly find the real world scenes
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very corny. With Clara in her house with her
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family. If there's a common theme for this whole
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podcast episode, I would say three words. Everything
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is stiff. Like, I haven't wrote down my Letterboxd
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review for Barbie and the Nutcracker yet, but
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that's my, that's going to be my line. Everything
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is stiff. I guess I wasn't expecting too much
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since it is an ad for Target, so. Yeah, like,
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the dialogue to the opening and ending songs,
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like, it's all corny, at least in the real world.
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Down to the iPad plotline. Yes. That's truly
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like a sign of a new age approaching. Yeah. Well,
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I feel like the stuff in the dreamland is kind
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of corny too, especially the way she gets back.
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It also incorporates the iPad. To be fair, like,
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I think that stems from the fact of, I think
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it stems from Chrissy Teigen's performance as
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the Nutcracker. Mm -hmm. I was surprised to see
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her and John Legend in this. Me too, I forgot
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that they starred in it. Like, she doesn't sound
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good compared to her husband, let me put it at
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that. Her rap is slightly better, but her acting's
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not good. Let's be real. I feel like she's probably
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a better host than she is in something like this.
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But this is a commercial, so. Yes, and in contrast,
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John Legend is still a good singer. However,
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he's bad at acting. I don't know that I've ever
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seen him act in anything. I probably haven't.
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I've only seen him act twice, technically. There's
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his performance of Jesus Christ Superstar, I
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believe. The live version of it that came out.
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several years ago. And then, didn't he star in
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The Mitchells vs. the Machines as the dad of
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the perfect family that the Mitchells loathe?
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Oh, did he? Yeah. It's been a while since I watched
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that. And then Chrissy Teigen also plays his
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wife in that film. Oh. You know, I think I remember
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that now. Yeah. Okay, so I guess I have seen
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something he's acted in. But yes, it's very limited
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knowledge from my end. I will say, I did like
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the portrayal of the mouse, or in this case,
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the rap king. How he raps at everything. Even
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his costume design is rad. I like the vehicle
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that he drove up in. I'm not usually a vehicle
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person, but when a vehicle is interestingly shaped
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or designed, then I'm more on board with the
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cool vehicle. Yeah, my dad would be more into
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that. Like, I could hear him rubbing his engines
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in the background outside. But, yeah, John Legend
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acted very poorly in this one. Specifically,
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like, grieving, like, how no one wants a rap
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for Christmas. Like, it's true. He's not wrong,
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but I would like a rap king for Christmas, though.
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That would be cool for parties. Yeah. And then,
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of course, like, let's go to the elephant in
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the room that is the toys. Like, the toys, like,
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they just react to what's going on. Like, they
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have no real role except being served as, like,
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the minority that Clara has to help save. But
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the animation, like, they really look plasticky,
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more so than the characters in the Barbie film
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we're about to review. Like, they're more realistic.
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It's like a fine line between realistic and too
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unrealistic in terms of plasticity, whatever
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the right term is. And some of them didn't look
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like they were completely on model. Specifically
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Elmo. He looked wrong. And Olaf. That's what
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stood out to me the most. I guess it's forgivable
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since they're supposed to be toys, but still.
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Yeah, and they're very terrible at the quiet
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game. When they're trying to explain to Clara
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the situation, yet they're shouting enough for
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the rap king to notice. And let's just say, Ken
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is Kenning. Truly being the dumb blonde hunk
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that he's supposed to be. I will say, though,
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the girl who played Clara did have a good voice.
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Yes, especially with her rap. And I liked how
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she used the word clarity. in her rock. Smart.
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Yeah, I don't know who she is, but I'm assuming
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that they got her because of her natural musical
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talents. Yes, and she's supposed to be, I think
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she was supposed to be one of the originating
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roles in, I tried to look her up a little bit,
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and supposedly she was like one of the students,
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the original students in the School of Rock Broadway
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musical. Oh, okay. I literally just watched that
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movie for the first time a couple weeks ago.
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I'd never seen it before. You know, I never watched
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the film. However, I did watch the Nickelodeon
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TV reboot series of School of Rock. Okay. I haven't
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watched all the episodes. Like, I haven't watched
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the whole series, but some episodes are really
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good. Okay. Even though I'm not familiar with
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the source material that is the film. It was
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pretty good, but Jack Black is usually very entertaining.
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Of course. And that's all my notes I have for
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the short. Okay. Yeah, I don't have too much
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to say about it, because I only just watched
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it right before we started recording, so I had
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never heard of this before. Yeah, I'm so sorry
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about that. Like, I did say it was a last -minute
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suggestion, but hey, it was eight minutes, and
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it was an additional thing to cram into the podcast.
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That works. I'm always up for obscure versions
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of whatever my latest series is. That's why I
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suggested it, because I knew it was right up
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your alley. And it was something I had never
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heard of before. And it's not something that
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probably would have been listed on a Wikipedia
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list of versions of The Nutcracker. Definitely
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not, but I do hope that there's some people out
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there like me who do remember this ad vividly.
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I wonder where this aired, because this is too
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long to be a commercial on TV. They must have
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just made it for the internet, I guess? Yeah,
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or one of the mainstream channels like ABC or
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NBC. I suppose. It could have fit into a Christmas
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special. I could definitely see them airing that
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during the Christmas parade or one of the holiday
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specials somewhere. Oh, you could be right. It
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could fit into something like that. I don't remember.
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when this aired exactly, like the exact day or
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what program, but that's all I can recall. So,
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on to Barbie and the Nutcracker. I thought it
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was an interesting choice to bookend it as a
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story that Barbie is telling to someone, like
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in the modern day. It wasn't like fully in...
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whatever time period the Nutcracker takes place.
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I don't know when or what films you've watched
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in the Barbie series so far, but the first few
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films is basically framed as like a narrative.
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Like it always starts and ends with Barbie telling
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a story to her younger sister, Kelly, and it's
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supposed to reflect her internal struggles going
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on that she's facing at the time. Okay. So we
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start off with Kelly struggling to dance to practice
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for her recital. And Barbie tells her like, hey,
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you should learn how to be courageous like Clara.
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And so she starts off this story from that one
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situation. It kind of amused me how abruptly
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she just started telling the story. Like with
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almost no warning. Yeah, it takes you to the
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plot right away with no fanfare. It was so abrupt,
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it was like, did we really need this to bookend
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the movie? It could have just been the movie,
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but I don't know. I don't know what their goals
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for it was. I will say, I feel like they stopped
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doing that by the time they did The Princess
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and the Pauper. That was like a full -on story
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with no real -world scenes. Okay. Well, for the
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most part, when it first started into, like,
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the... I guess, classic Nutcracker story, even
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though they have their own twists to it. For
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the most part, I was thinking, this is kind of
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close. Because instead of having an Uncle Drosselmeyer,
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they had a Grandfather Drosselmeyer and an Aunt
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Drosselmeyer. I know, I saw an Instagram post
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long ago. People were confused how Aunt Elizabeth
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was related to Drosselmeyer exactly. But the
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second watch, it made it explicitly clear that...
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Clara is not directly related to the Drosselmeyers.
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Like she was just adopted by them. Oh, okay.
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Like she and her brother were orphaned and they
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basically were taken in by Drosselmeyer. And
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we don't necessarily know how they were tied
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to the parents in some way, but that's who they
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end up with. I must have missed that because
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I just assumed that their parents, one of their
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parents was the child of Drosselmeyer because
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they called him grandfather and they called her
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their aunt. Yes. And I do remember in, this is
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a little side tangent, but there is a tie -in
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novel for The Four Realms called Secret of the
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Realms. It's basically the junior novelization
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of The Nutcracker and The Four Realms. However,
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it goes back and forth between. Clara's present
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day and her mother's past, Marie's past, and
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how she created the four realms. And in that
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novel, Marie's family, they were toy makers that
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were killed in the fire. And Drosselmeyer was
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basically their main, their biggest customer,
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their patron, essentially. And so that's why
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she ends up, Marie ends up in the household.
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Okay. It's been long enough since I did the episode
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on that one that I'd forgotten that her mother
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in that version had created the realms. It wasn't
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explicitly stated. I honestly prefer the novel
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over the movie, or better, if you read the novel
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and then watch the movie afterwards, because
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it gives you a full picture on what basically
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happened, like the whole history of the four
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realms. Okay. And I do find lots of the lands
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in this film, Barbie and the Nutcracker, it reminded
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me an awful lot of The Four Realms. That's honestly
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my biggest Nutcracker adaptation I've watched.
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That one wasn't really one of my favorites, but
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it had some scenes in it that I really liked.
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I just appreciated how it's technically one of
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the rare Disney original films theatrically released.
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And I feel like we don't get that a lot anymore
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with all the remakes going on. Yeah. It would
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be nice to have more original adaptations of
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classic literature. Yes. And heck, I'm an English
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major and there's still lots of literary works,
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like literary classics that I haven't read yet.
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So it'd be nice to have different types of works
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adapted. I grew up with a lot of abridged classics,
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but there's still tons that I haven't read. That's
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part of the reason that I'm trying to incorporate
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more books into my Every Version, Every Series,
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because I need to read the original versions
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of the things I'm talking about, so I'm more
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well -versed on how well things have been adapted.
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That's great. Unless it's a long book like War
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and Peace or Les Miserables. Those aren't currently
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on my... watch and or read list Les Miserables
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is a weird case this is such a tangent but there
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is a couple of anime versions of Les Mis so I'm
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like I kind of just want to do Les Mis because
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I really want to see what they did with the anime
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versions you know when I was little I watched
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an anime version of Little Women even though
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I haven't read Little Women at all i wonder if
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it's ones that i've covered because years ago
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i covered a couple of short anime adaptations
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from a couple different studios they were from
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like the 80s i believe 70s or 80s they were much
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older anime and they were much shorter than you
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would expect but it was interesting to see such
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an american classic being taken on by a japanese
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anime company yeah and The Little Women anime,
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it aired on this channel called Smile of a Child,
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which is basically a Christian kids network.
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And I don't know, I can't understand the correlation
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between Little Women and Christianity, let alone
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faith. I think there was elements of that, but
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it wasn't like a main theme. Little Women is
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very popular in Christian circles, so that may
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have been the only connection. That's interesting.
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So where were we? Oh, yes. How the Drosselmeyers
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are related to the Stahlbaums. Well, Clara, at
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least. They're not related, but they just practically
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adopted her and her brother. It's kind of interesting.
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I've noticed with other Barbie versions, some
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I haven't seen yet, but I've read about, they
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do gender swap some characters sometimes. And
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I feel like they kind of did that with Uncle
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Drosselmeyer, even though... They have the grandfather
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there, but the aunt is like the main character
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that we would know because she's the one who
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brings the nutcracker. Yes, I honestly, in terms
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of the real world character, she was my favorite.
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She seemed like a very exciting woman with a
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very exciting life. I'm just enthralled by her
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stories as Clara is. and i think that stems from
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the fact that i haven't gone out much like i
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haven't seen the world as much yet like i've
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only been to like central america and europe
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and that's basically it well that's further than
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me so you're doing good already people consider
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me like a state traveler rather than a world
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traveler while you're on your way heck i even
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have like a this weekend i'm gonna go out to
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the east coast and This is going to be my first
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real experience there. Okay. So that's my current
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plans. Well, I thought it was interesting that
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they kind of changed the origin of the Nutcracker
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a little bit as something that she brought back
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from her travels. Because normally the Uncle
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Drosselmeyer character is a toy maker who makes
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the Nutcracker, at least in versions that are
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specifically based on the ballet, I believe.
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sometimes i get confused like i it's been a while
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since i've read the book so yeah like bleed with
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one another exactly especially this like that's
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how i if i'm honest that's how i felt throughout
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this whole watching this whole adaptation like
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lots of the stuff from the four realms is like
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seeping into my mind like i i was having moments
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of that too like trying to remember if because
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some things i was like this feels like it's from
00:27:36.660 --> 00:27:40.099
another version and i was thinking like whatever
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his name is the mint guy i was like was he from
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the four realms i don't think he's a character
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in the book because i don't remember a mint character
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no i think he and captain candy are like original
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characters made for this film okay but yeah like
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one thing i noticed that i'm not sure if it has
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any origin from the original source material
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but Drosselmeyer is always related, is somehow
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tied with the owl character. He's always seen
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with an owl, some way, shape, or form. I remember
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the owl from other versions. I can't remember
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if that's a detail from the book. I kind of want
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to say that's probably from the ballet, because
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I don't remember an owl in the book. Like, an
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owl on the clock is a detail that has come up
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in more than one version. So it originated somewhere,
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but I want to say it's the ballet, probably.
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But it's been a while since I've read the book,
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so. Yeah, and I don't have the answers myself.
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I did like that they had Tim Curry in here as
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the Mouse King. I always love having Tim Curry
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show up. Honestly, like, typically the early
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Barbie films, like, they are known for bringing,
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like, major actors and having them voice characters
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in their movies. Like, the one that stands out
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to me was, I think, Preminger. He was voiced
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by Martin Short in Princess and the Pauper. And
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then we had Catherine O 'Hara as the evil aunt
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in the 12 Dancing Princesses. And if I'm honest,
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he and Kelly Sheridan were the only voices that
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stuck out to me. And let me give you a fresh
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:21.039
reminder that Kelly Sheridan was the original
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:25.859
voice of Barbie for these films. So those were
00:29:25.859 --> 00:29:28.099
the only two that stuck out to me. Funny enough,
00:29:28.539 --> 00:29:31.299
I honestly mistook Tim Curry, the voice of the
00:29:31.299 --> 00:29:34.920
Mouse King, to be Jonathan Freeman. That's his
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:36.980
name, right? Wasn't he the guy that voiced Jafar
00:29:36.980 --> 00:29:41.920
in Aladdin? I'm not sure. But Tim Curry sounded
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:44.980
an awful lot like him. The cast was basically
00:29:44.980 --> 00:29:47.759
an afterthought. I had to look everyone up after
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.880
the credits. Yes, Jonathan Freeman voiced Jafar.
00:29:51.579 --> 00:29:54.240
But yeah, that would have been a good alternative
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:58.049
for the Mouse King, at least. Yeah. Probably.
00:29:58.710 --> 00:30:01.450
I do love Tim Curry, though. Anytime he shows
00:30:01.450 --> 00:30:06.690
up, he just makes everything better. Yes. I think
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he was like the standout breakout role in Beauty
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and the Beast Enchanted Christmas. He's the main
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thing that I remember about that movie. I don't
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remember much about that movie except for him
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as the giant organ thing. Yeah, and I liked how
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in the remake, he was basically transferred over
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to the remake. He went from being this obscure
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character in this relatively bad sequel and placed
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in the forefront as one of the supporting characters
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in the live -action film. I have not actually
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seen the remake. I did not know that they had
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:48.980
put him in there. If I'm honest, you could skip
00:30:48.980 --> 00:30:52.230
it. It's one of those movies where I have no
00:30:52.230 --> 00:30:55.130
plans to watch it just for fun, but I will eventually
00:30:55.130 --> 00:30:58.190
do a podcast on it. So at some point I will watch
00:30:58.190 --> 00:31:01.750
it for the podcast, but until then, it's... Yeah,
00:31:01.750 --> 00:31:03.529
I just didn't really like certain parts of the
00:31:03.529 --> 00:31:06.609
ending. I'll just leave it at that. Some people
00:31:06.609 --> 00:31:08.970
say it's one of the greatest Disney remakes they
00:31:08.970 --> 00:31:12.130
ever made, but alongside Little Mermaid, I'm
00:31:12.130 --> 00:31:16.210
on the fence. I had been kind of interested until
00:31:16.210 --> 00:31:18.289
I started hearing the reviews, and I was like...
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:21.579
Okay, I think I'll skip that for now. Yeah, I
00:31:21.579 --> 00:31:23.940
feel like some people have their rose -colored
00:31:23.940 --> 00:31:28.000
glasses on for these types of films, yes. Yes.
00:31:29.299 --> 00:31:31.660
Tim Curry's character, though, was a little bit
00:31:31.660 --> 00:31:34.779
different in that I don't think I've ever seen
00:31:34.779 --> 00:31:38.259
a version where the Rat King has a magic scepter
00:31:38.259 --> 00:31:42.200
that can do whatever he wants. And it never really
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:44.940
explained how he got it. We just assume, like,
00:31:44.940 --> 00:31:47.460
what? It's like one of the... castle treasures
00:31:47.460 --> 00:31:50.099
or something like something that the king had
00:31:50.099 --> 00:31:54.180
before he died like we'll never know yeah i don't
00:31:54.180 --> 00:31:57.240
know it's one of those things where the story
00:31:57.240 --> 00:31:59.339
of the nutcracker depending on which version
00:31:59.339 --> 00:32:03.400
you're talking about it's almost at least for
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:05.140
most of the versions i've seen it's always one
00:32:05.140 --> 00:32:07.700
of those things where at the end you're like
00:32:07.700 --> 00:32:11.099
it was a dream but was it so then the question
00:32:11.099 --> 00:32:15.529
has to be like how does she get to the land without
00:32:15.529 --> 00:32:18.430
explicitly showing her falling asleep and dreaming
00:32:18.430 --> 00:32:22.470
so i guess somebody this is this is the point
00:32:22.470 --> 00:32:24.769
where it started being like they're making up
00:32:24.769 --> 00:32:28.069
their own story when he pulled out his wand and
00:32:28.069 --> 00:32:33.549
shrunk her down yes definitely and i will say
00:32:33.549 --> 00:32:36.430
like i can't confirm whether or not this is true
00:32:36.430 --> 00:32:39.490
because i first i saw this fact on instagram
00:32:40.650 --> 00:32:44.289
but supposedly like the mind is bad at creating
00:32:44.289 --> 00:32:47.970
faces on its own. So it just takes pieces. Like
00:32:47.970 --> 00:32:51.869
if you ever seen a random person in real life,
00:32:51.930 --> 00:32:54.789
there's a good chance that they may appear in
00:32:54.789 --> 00:32:59.170
your dreams as a main character. So skipping
00:32:59.170 --> 00:33:02.750
all the way to the end, like when Clara sees
00:33:02.750 --> 00:33:05.470
Eric in real life, like it didn't seem like too
00:33:05.470 --> 00:33:09.250
much of a stretch for me. It was like, Oh, it's
00:33:09.250 --> 00:33:12.390
possible. That the two may have seen each other
00:33:12.390 --> 00:33:15.769
in a dream, either that night or in the past,
00:33:15.930 --> 00:33:19.029
and they immediately spin with each other. Yeah,
00:33:19.049 --> 00:33:22.230
that's one of those. I've seen a similar ending
00:33:22.230 --> 00:33:24.509
in a couple different versions of The Nutcracker,
00:33:24.589 --> 00:33:29.170
where she wakes up and then realizes it was just
00:33:29.170 --> 00:33:32.549
a dream, but then someone in her family shows
00:33:32.549 --> 00:33:36.150
up with a long -lost cousin or a friend of the
00:33:36.150 --> 00:33:39.109
family, and they look just like The Nutcracker.
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:43.500
It's definitely better than the 1930s Wizard
00:33:43.500 --> 00:33:47.900
of Oz film, like, how that ended. When I was
00:33:47.900 --> 00:33:52.579
a kid, I hated the end. Like, she dreamed the
00:33:52.579 --> 00:33:57.240
whole thing? What? No! I had no problems with
00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:59.859
the ending. Like, growing up with that film,
00:33:59.980 --> 00:34:02.220
like, I didn't mind the ending. I just wonder,
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:04.859
like, the only thing that's left unresolved,
00:34:04.859 --> 00:34:07.460
in my opinion, is, like, how to deal with Toto
00:34:07.460 --> 00:34:12.119
the dog. Because I forgot the woman's name. Mrs.
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.519
Gulch, right? Oh, yes. I thought of that, too.
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:18.539
It never resolved her character. Yes, she got
00:34:18.539 --> 00:34:21.539
the dog back, but Mrs. Gulch is still out there
00:34:21.539 --> 00:34:25.019
somewhere. Yeah, and some people think that she
00:34:25.019 --> 00:34:34.469
died in the tornado. They never explicitly say
00:34:34.469 --> 00:34:38.409
it, but it's implied. It feels kind of like morbid
00:34:38.409 --> 00:34:42.750
fan fiction. Yeah, it's basically like, well,
00:34:42.949 --> 00:34:46.409
Miss Gulch died in the tornado, so you can have
00:34:46.409 --> 00:34:55.710
Toto. If I'm honest, that's my headcanon. I mean,
00:34:55.789 --> 00:35:01.269
it was never stated, so it makes sense. And she
00:35:01.269 --> 00:35:03.829
did see... Miss Gulch riding in the tornado.
00:35:04.309 --> 00:35:09.130
That's true. So it's not out of the realm of
00:35:09.130 --> 00:35:15.230
possibility. Yep. So now on to the Nutcracker
00:35:15.230 --> 00:35:18.889
himself, Eric. If I'm honest, I didn't like how
00:35:18.889 --> 00:35:21.409
they named the Prince Eric because it was too
00:35:21.409 --> 00:35:24.250
similar to Disney's Prince Eric from The Little
00:35:24.250 --> 00:35:30.630
Mermaid. But they do that sometimes. Yeah. In
00:35:30.630 --> 00:35:33.570
12 Dancing Princesses, the main love interest,
00:35:33.730 --> 00:35:36.170
his name is Derek, and I think of Prince Derek
00:35:36.170 --> 00:35:43.030
from Swan Princess. I wonder if that was on purpose
00:35:43.030 --> 00:35:50.110
or by coincidence. I feel like for... I can't
00:35:50.110 --> 00:35:54.349
say. It's hard to tell. But I will say he fell
00:35:54.349 --> 00:36:00.179
victim for what I call Beast Syndrome. Does that
00:36:00.179 --> 00:36:02.179
mean that you like the Nutcracker version better?
00:36:03.380 --> 00:36:09.579
Lots of people do. I disagree. Because, let's
00:36:09.579 --> 00:36:12.119
face it, the Nutcracker version of himself, he
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:15.340
looks old. Older than the age he's supposed to
00:36:15.340 --> 00:36:17.780
be. Quite frankly, we don't know his true age,
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:22.079
but he looks like he's supposed to be also a
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.820
young adult, but the Nutcracker looks like an
00:36:24.820 --> 00:36:29.039
old man with the goatee and the white hair. I'm
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:32.500
looking at all these people who liked the Nutcracker
00:36:32.500 --> 00:36:36.420
version of Eric and I'm like, are you sure? He
00:36:36.420 --> 00:36:41.239
looks too old for Clara. Probably just that's
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:43.519
what standard Nutcrackers were designed like,
00:36:43.619 --> 00:36:47.539
so. That's why I assume that the fans of this
00:36:47.539 --> 00:36:50.659
film, like, young girl, at least, grew up to
00:36:50.659 --> 00:36:54.059
become romanticist readers because it's a standard
00:36:54.059 --> 00:36:57.940
trope for the main guy to be either a couple
00:36:57.940 --> 00:37:01.940
years older or several years older than the main
00:37:01.940 --> 00:37:04.840
female character. At least from the ones I've
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:09.340
read. Yeah. Well, is there anything else you
00:37:09.340 --> 00:37:12.360
wanted to talk about in the quote -unquote real
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:16.659
world before we go to the... I will say, like,
00:37:16.739 --> 00:37:20.460
I find it weird how Drosomal... I was expecting
00:37:20.460 --> 00:37:23.440
Drosomal to have a change of heart regarding,
00:37:23.699 --> 00:37:27.039
like, how he treats Clara, but that... never
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:29.559
happens like i was expecting him to have like
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:32.800
a scrooge moment where like he doesn't like how
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:36.840
clara daydreams and then i expect him like the
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:40.139
next day to be like okay with it but he's still
00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:43.619
the same guy the next morning well he didn't
00:37:43.619 --> 00:37:45.460
have a life -changing adventure in a magical
00:37:45.460 --> 00:37:51.800
land so yep unfortunately not this drosselmeyer
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:56.039
ain't lucky At least the Four Realms one is aware
00:37:56.039 --> 00:38:00.480
of the land. Because he basically created all
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.820
these contraptions for it. But not all of them
00:38:04.820 --> 00:38:09.380
are lucky. One thing that stood out to me, I
00:38:09.380 --> 00:38:12.500
don't know if this is true or not, but when they
00:38:12.500 --> 00:38:16.460
are going into the magic land, the owl gives
00:38:16.460 --> 00:38:18.880
Clara a locket that will bring her back home.
00:38:19.099 --> 00:38:21.860
And I don't remember that detail from any other
00:38:21.860 --> 00:38:26.099
version. So part of me wonders if they put that
00:38:26.099 --> 00:38:28.480
in there so that it could be a piece of merch
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:32.679
that they sell to kids. That could be true. And
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:35.519
I think the fact that it was on the ballerina
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:38.659
dancer ornament, I think it's meant to foreshadow
00:38:38.659 --> 00:38:42.400
how Clara was the sugarplum princess this whole
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:46.460
time. That was another odd detail, too. I don't
00:38:46.460 --> 00:38:49.739
remember... There are other versions that have
00:38:49.739 --> 00:38:52.800
had Clara be someone special, but... To have
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:57.019
her be the Sugar Plum Princess, I felt like that
00:38:57.019 --> 00:38:58.900
was another thing they made up for this version.
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.500
Yeah, I feel like I'm glad that this whole thing
00:39:02.500 --> 00:39:04.780
was a dream, because if it was real life, it
00:39:04.780 --> 00:39:08.519
would make no sense. No, it would not. As soon
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.519
as that was revealed, I remembered other versions
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:14.190
where it was... a dream and she woke up and i
00:39:14.190 --> 00:39:16.269
was like okay that's got to be what's going on
00:39:16.269 --> 00:39:19.030
here because that makes no sense for her to be
00:39:19.030 --> 00:39:22.170
a long lost princess of this magical land she's
00:39:22.170 --> 00:39:26.050
in the real world and has a little brother at
00:39:26.050 --> 00:39:30.030
least um in four realms it makes sense like clara
00:39:30.030 --> 00:39:33.090
basically overthrew the sugarplum fairy and so
00:39:33.090 --> 00:39:38.170
that makes her the ruler of that region i forgot
00:39:38.170 --> 00:39:42.559
the sugarplum fairy was evil in that one It's
00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:45.139
been a while since I watched that one. I will
00:39:45.139 --> 00:39:48.099
say like on a random tangent, like if you read
00:39:48.099 --> 00:39:49.960
the novel, like you'll feel a little bit pity
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:53.679
for her because she honest, like one, she was
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:57.400
Maria's like precious porcelain doll. So it kind
00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:01.000
of hurts more like when she's turned back into
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:05.340
a toy, like it's sad how this toy, this being
00:40:05.340 --> 00:40:09.579
that Marie basically loved ended up nearly destroying.
00:40:10.329 --> 00:40:12.469
Another thing she held dear, that is the Four
00:40:12.469 --> 00:40:15.489
Realms. She honestly reminded me of Spinel from
00:40:15.489 --> 00:40:18.230
the Steven Universe movie. She was basically
00:40:18.230 --> 00:40:21.989
a plaything who was abandoned and wanted revenge
00:40:21.989 --> 00:40:25.909
because of that. But at least Spinel got a happy
00:40:25.909 --> 00:40:32.010
ending when the Sugar Plum Fairy did not. Do
00:40:32.010 --> 00:40:34.389
you have any other notes regarding the characters,
00:40:34.670 --> 00:40:39.179
both real world and fantasy -wise? The only other
00:40:39.179 --> 00:40:42.500
thing that really stood out to me is the little
00:40:42.500 --> 00:40:45.599
kids that they meet when they first go in. I
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:47.719
don't know why I thought it was so weird that
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:49.880
the one, like he's supposed to be like a gingerbread
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:52.380
kid, but like it looked like he was just wearing
00:40:52.380 --> 00:40:54.400
a weird costume the whole time. It's a mom who's
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:56.519
like, when I first saw those two kids, my mind
00:40:56.519 --> 00:41:01.559
immediately went to Hansel and Gretel. Because
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:05.199
they're basically these two kids associated with
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:12.210
sweets. Slightly ironic that the series that
00:41:12.210 --> 00:41:15.269
I'm working on before this one is fairy tales
00:41:15.269 --> 00:41:17.409
about kids lost in the woods, which includes
00:41:17.409 --> 00:41:21.989
Hansel and Gretel. While we're on the subject,
00:41:22.329 --> 00:41:26.429
I noticed lots of many film parallels, not just
00:41:26.429 --> 00:41:30.769
with Disney, but other films as well. The few
00:41:30.769 --> 00:41:33.449
scenes that came to my mind was the moon scene
00:41:33.449 --> 00:41:38.570
in Shrek. You have Shrek and Donkey talking under
00:41:38.570 --> 00:41:41.800
fire. A moonlit sky, and the same thing happens
00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:45.880
with Clara and Eric. Mm -hmm. Then you have,
00:41:45.940 --> 00:41:48.780
like, Panty the doll in this raided village,
00:41:48.820 --> 00:41:52.320
like in Mulan. It's a grim comparison, but that's
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:56.219
where my mind went to. Mm -hmm. And then, of
00:41:56.219 --> 00:41:59.159
course, the rock giant reminded me of the Earth
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:02.179
Giants from Frozen 2. And the never -ending story,
00:42:02.659 --> 00:42:06.599
bonus points Korg from Thor Ragnarok, except
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:10.230
he's... Except this stone giant is made out of
00:42:10.230 --> 00:42:13.510
furniture, essentially, and not necessarily a
00:42:13.510 --> 00:42:17.449
marble slab. Not necessarily actual stone rock.
00:42:18.110 --> 00:42:22.610
I was just thinking of the ice giant evil snowman
00:42:22.610 --> 00:42:26.090
from the first movie. He does remind me of Marshmallow
00:42:26.090 --> 00:42:29.710
a little bit. Not a whole lot, though. And then,
00:42:29.809 --> 00:42:33.949
at some point, Captain Candy gives the solo shrug
00:42:33.949 --> 00:42:40.460
that Han and Ben do. so those are the parallels
00:42:40.460 --> 00:42:45.019
i've noted and then also this this is gonna sound
00:42:45.019 --> 00:42:47.340
super random but something i noted of all the
00:42:47.340 --> 00:42:50.260
villagers like stuck in the treehouse hideaway
00:42:50.260 --> 00:42:54.400
like the hideout that everyone stays at in the
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:57.840
kingdom there's this supposedly this woman named
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.280
masha who's supposed to be watching the kids
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:04.440
and my mind went to like marcia and the bear
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:08.000
I've heard of that, but I don't really know what
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:11.239
it is. It's basically a kid's show about this
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:14.119
girl named Masha who befriends this talking bear.
00:43:14.380 --> 00:43:17.199
I haven't seen it either, but I'm well aware
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:23.219
that it exists. Okay. And the bats reminded me
00:43:23.219 --> 00:43:27.219
of Bartok from Anastasia, except with very, very
00:43:27.219 --> 00:43:31.780
poor CGI. I kind of thought the same thing. It
00:43:31.780 --> 00:43:34.329
didn't look at all like Bartok, but... Like somewhere
00:43:34.329 --> 00:43:37.050
across between Bartok and Batty from Ferngully.
00:43:37.429 --> 00:43:40.710
I guess the shape is a little more reminiscent
00:43:40.710 --> 00:43:44.750
of Batty. For me, it's the shape of Bartok with
00:43:44.750 --> 00:43:49.449
the color of Batty. Yeah, well, yeah, maybe a
00:43:49.449 --> 00:43:51.969
little. I don't know. It wasn't as good a character
00:43:51.969 --> 00:43:57.309
as Bartok. Definitely. But speaking of low quality,
00:43:57.570 --> 00:44:02.769
I noticed how there's lots of instances where...
00:44:03.369 --> 00:44:05.690
Even though it's supposed to be a CGI film, I
00:44:05.690 --> 00:44:09.670
noticed that the Kingdom of Parthenia has 2D
00:44:09.670 --> 00:44:12.489
backdrops, excluding the castle. I wondered about
00:44:12.489 --> 00:44:16.230
that. I was like, is that a painting or is that
00:44:16.230 --> 00:44:20.949
CGI? Because it kind of looked too nice to be
00:44:20.949 --> 00:44:23.289
the quality of CGI that they were using for the
00:44:23.289 --> 00:44:26.809
animation. For me, it seemed 2D, but they somehow
00:44:26.809 --> 00:44:32.300
plastered it into CGI areas. Like, you have the
00:44:32.300 --> 00:44:35.599
fake castle that's supposed to be, like, a little
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:39.980
trap. That's a clear indication. And then the
00:44:39.980 --> 00:44:43.699
whole landscape of the kingdom. Like, that seemed
00:44:43.699 --> 00:44:47.559
the one that stood out more. Like, almost uncanny.
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:51.340
Like, this is definitely a dream world. But aside
00:44:51.340 --> 00:44:54.400
from that, that's all of the notes I have. I
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.380
think the only thing that I had made note of
00:44:57.380 --> 00:44:59.840
was the way it ended. It seemed like they were
00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:02.659
trying to do sort of a happy ending thing, like
00:45:02.659 --> 00:45:05.860
they can be together forever now. But then suddenly
00:45:05.860 --> 00:45:08.900
the Mouse King shows back up. I feel like it
00:45:08.900 --> 00:45:12.639
was bittersweet either way. Yeah. Because I don't
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:16.460
want Clara to leave her family behind. But at
00:45:16.460 --> 00:45:18.820
the same time, I wanted her to stay with the
00:45:18.820 --> 00:45:23.099
Nutcracker. It was very mixed. So when Eric does
00:45:23.099 --> 00:45:26.519
show up in the real world, I'm like, phew, that
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:29.880
was close. I just thought it was interesting
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:32.079
that they ended it the way they did, because
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:34.840
normally with something like this, you kind of
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:38.440
expect them to go for a super happy ending. But
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:40.360
I just thought it was really interesting that
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:44.639
they did sort of a bittersweet thing. Yeah, that's
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:46.500
what I remember vividly, like, from the very
00:45:46.500 --> 00:45:51.599
first time I watched this movie. Like, it caused,
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:55.909
like, this small trauma. Like, oh no. Like I
00:45:55.909 --> 00:45:58.369
wasn't too devastated because of what happened
00:45:58.369 --> 00:46:03.650
next, but still. Also, it hits more. I don't
00:46:03.650 --> 00:46:06.269
think this was intentional, but some fans pointed
00:46:06.269 --> 00:46:10.530
it out that obviously Clara in this version has
00:46:10.530 --> 00:46:13.949
this golden locket in the shape of a heart. Then
00:46:13.949 --> 00:46:18.750
years later in the 2023 Barbie film, Barbie wears
00:46:18.750 --> 00:46:21.750
this gold heart necklace at the very end of the
00:46:21.750 --> 00:46:25.489
film as she's about to turn human. So people
00:46:25.489 --> 00:46:27.989
wondered, like speculated if it, if this was
00:46:27.989 --> 00:46:30.269
supposed to be a reference to Barbie and the
00:46:30.269 --> 00:46:33.050
Nutcracker, because it was technically the first
00:46:33.050 --> 00:46:38.050
big Barbie film. And then you cut it to this
00:46:38.050 --> 00:46:42.670
theatrically released film about Barbie and how
00:46:42.670 --> 00:46:45.869
this, how the locket, the necklace is supposed
00:46:45.869 --> 00:46:48.469
to serve like as a theme, as a motif regarding
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transformation or change, like in. That film,
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Barbie wanted to learn more about the human world
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and be human. Well, in this one, she just wants
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to go back to her normal size and go home. So
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that was a very interesting parallel. It is.
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I wonder if it was a reference to this. Does
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Barbie have lockets other than this one? To my
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knowledge, no. The closest thing I could think
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of is Barbie and the Diamond Castle, but Liana
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and Alexa didn't have, like, lockets. It's just
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basically heartstone necklaces. That's the closest
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thing I could think of. Okay. So overall, I would
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rate this film three stars. I'm glad that this
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film was a home video success because we wouldn't
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get the franchise that we know and love today,
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but it wasn't a hit for me. and i can definitely
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understand and see why now it's kind of interesting
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:57.139
that you didn't quite like this one because this
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is one that i always hear people reference like
00:47:59.860 --> 00:48:01.719
i've never seen it myself but it's always one
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that people reference as like some of the great
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og barbie movies it's like how people like see
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toy story for example like toy the first toy
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story like it didn't have like great animation
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or cgi but it had a great story while this one
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:21.900
like This had, like, mid -tier animation and
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story. So, like, I kind of can, but cannot understand
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:31.219
the cultural relevance for it. It probably is
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one of those things that's really tied to nostalgia.
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Like, for kids who grew up with this, that probably
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puts it above other things for them specifically.
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Same for Barbie and Princess and the Pauper.
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Like, that's another... film adaptation of barbie
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that i don't recall like watching much during
00:48:53.230 --> 00:48:57.230
as a kid like i only watched it twice and the
00:48:57.230 --> 00:48:59.090
first time i didn't like it the second time i
00:48:59.090 --> 00:49:03.050
thought it was okay okay i haven't seen that
00:49:03.050 --> 00:49:05.789
one either but it's on my list if and when i
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ever do versions of the prince and the popper
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i will say it's better than princess and the
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pop star which is like barbie's second adaptation
00:49:15.420 --> 00:49:18.079
of the prince and the pauper except it's more
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modern and it was released in 2012 and i do recall
00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:25.880
not liking it at all completely like i prefer
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:29.639
princess and the pauper over that yeah i knew
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:32.420
that they had done two i figured if i ever do
00:49:32.420 --> 00:49:34.500
versions of the prince and the pauper i probably
00:49:34.500 --> 00:49:36.980
would pair those two together and like compare
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and contrast them in one episode yeah that sounds
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:46.719
like a great idea but Anyway, I honestly genuinely
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:51.000
debated whether or not to do this podcast episode,
00:49:51.300 --> 00:49:54.880
because as I mentioned, as I stated throughout
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:59.380
this whole episode, I'm not a fan of this film,
00:49:59.619 --> 00:50:02.420
but I do have some opinions on it I want to speak
00:50:02.420 --> 00:50:07.199
out on. So that's why I ended up joining, because
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:10.019
one, I really like talking with you about all
00:50:10.019 --> 00:50:12.909
these films. And then second, I thought of it
00:50:12.909 --> 00:50:16.309
as an interesting challenge for myself to review
00:50:16.309 --> 00:50:21.329
a film that you do not enjoy nor like. Sometimes
00:50:21.329 --> 00:50:24.650
that makes for a good conversation, too. I sometimes
00:50:24.650 --> 00:50:28.010
enjoy talking about bad films just because it's
00:50:28.010 --> 00:50:30.510
fun to talk about them with other people who
00:50:30.510 --> 00:50:33.809
may or may not like them. Well, hopefully next
00:50:33.809 --> 00:50:35.550
time we talk about something, it will be something
00:50:35.550 --> 00:50:42.230
that you like. Hopefully. Lord willing. Well,
00:50:42.289 --> 00:50:44.409
I'm sure we'll be back for more in the future,
00:50:44.530 --> 00:50:47.510
but until then, do you want to let people know
00:50:47.510 --> 00:50:49.750
where they can find you on the internet? Of course.
00:50:50.050 --> 00:50:55.449
You could find me as JazzVNA on TikTok, Discord,
00:50:55.789 --> 00:50:59.730
and Letterboxd, or you could find me as at AnimationDreamer
00:50:59.730 --> 00:51:03.670
on Instagram and Threads. Okay. Well, thanks
00:51:03.670 --> 00:51:06.389
for joining me for this one, and we'll see you
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00:51:08.510 --> 00:51:16.739
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