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Welcome to Digication
Scholars Conversations.
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I'm your host, Jeff Yan.
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In this episode, you will hear Part Two
of my conversation with Dami Akingbade,
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a junior at Boston University's
Questrom School of Business, pursuing
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a degree in Business Administration.
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You know, feel free to talk
about this if you'd like.
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I saw in your LinkedIn profile
that you have been in a number
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of student organizations.
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Um, an African students organization.
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It looks like that you might've
been the secretary of the
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African Student Organizations.
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Um, can you tell us a little bit about
that and whether these types of learning
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experience have helped or influenced the
way that you, um, you know, participate
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in these organizations and so on?
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I mean, like, it's, it seems like
the theme of what we're talking about
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today is Diverse perspectives and that
really is what that club does for me.
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I joined the African Students
Organization my freshman year and
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then I was just an events coordinator.
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I would help with planning events
and really what it was was helping
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to bring people together and
celebrate the diversity of Africa,
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the different countries represented
within Africa, and helping people
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who came on campus find a community,
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was so important to us to have people
feel like they have a safe space.
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Um, it's sometimes it's really
difficult when you come, you leave
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home and you can't really find that
home away from home somewhere else.
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And that's really what
we're trying to bring.
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Now that I'm secretary, I try as much as
I can to, um, you know, book spaces and.
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Contribute to meetings and make sure that
we're thinking critically about how are
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we helping the people in our community?
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It's something I'm so passionate about.
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I'm passionate about building
community and celebrating diversity.
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We actually have an event coming up
soon, which is funny, this weekend,
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which is Just a Thanksgiving celebration
since Thanksgiving is coming up.
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Just a Thanksgiving celebration
and it's like basically a potluck.
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And so we're going to ask people
who represent different African
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countries to bring their food that
represents them and their home.
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And so we're going to have people from all
over Somalia, Ethiopia, Ghana, Nigeria,
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really come and bring their food and we
all get to taste and just like have a
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good time and really feel like you know,
remove the stress of exams and really feel
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like we have a community here and just be
able to celebrate everything that we're
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thankful for and that we have that culture
and that home that we appreciate so much.
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So you said it was about diversity.
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I think it's more about food.
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Yeah.
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Um, let's talk a little bit about other
things that, that, you know, that, Seems
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to be, you know, happening in your life.
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Um, uh, I saw that you, um, have
just participated in the 2024
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Goldman Sachs Possibility Summit.
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Um, tell us a little bit about that.
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Um, what was that like and
how does this all connect?
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Does this connect with all these
things that we've been talking about?
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Or is this sort of the next chapter?
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If I feel like everything, everything
is connected at this point.
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Um, the Goldman Sachs Possibility
Summit was another place that
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was celebrating diversity.
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That summit was to help
underrepresented communities.
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It was really Goldman Sachs way of like
giving people a head start, helping
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people understand what Goldman Sachs
is and I feel like my experience is
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the fact that I was in the African
students organization that I had done
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diverse things studying abroad that
really came through on my resume, which
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helped me when I had that opportunity.
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And so the summit was really
just a way to learn more.
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It represented, like, the Black community,
Hispanics, women, um, past veterans,
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the LGBTQ community, things like that,
and, um, It was really just helping,
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you know, bridge the gap and just help
people feel represented and feel heard.
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Just giving us a space to learn more.
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We learned about different practices.
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We learned how to build a resume,
how to interview, and we just got
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that head start that we needed.
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It was really an inclusive and great
program, collaborative as well.
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You got to meet people.
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I connected with so many
people during that summit.
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So yeah.
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And I should, I know that you're
being quite humble here, but it
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is not an easy one to get into.
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Um, it's, um, it's a summit that
has over 10, 000 applicants,
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um, every year, I believe.
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And, um, and so it's a, it's a, it's
a rather prestigious Um, uh, on your
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resume, but I think that this is what I,
I, I, I sometimes wanted to, you know,
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I feel like that for folks who've been
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looking to get ahead, like you said,
right, you have to look for these
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kinds of opportunities, but also have
to realize that schools like Boston
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University and many others too, right.
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Have spent a huge amount of resources.
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And scholarship and intellectual, you
know, prowess to figure out programs
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and design opportunities that is really
professionally, that's their job, is
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to get students able to have these
opportunities to learn and to, to grow.
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And for, I think that, you know,
especially for those who are
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listening, who might be thinking about.
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What's the value of higher education?
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Should I just go in and,
you know, do something else?
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And by the way, I take back some of the...
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for some people, you know, it's It may
be true that college is not for them.
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Yeah.
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It may It may well be true.
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But I think that for those who are
simply going through the Actually,
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rather rational, logical Um, thought
process that is, Hey, if I want to be an
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engineer, if I want to be, you know, sort
of fill in your blank, like, you know,
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dream job, dream, you know, like career.
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I don't need all this other stuff.
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Yeah.
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And I think that sometimes
we just don't know better.
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We don't know that actually we do.
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And not only do those other things, those
other things is what's going to make the,
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the job that I want possible, you know?
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Yeah.
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I think, you even mentioning that, it's
making me realize I didn't talk about
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a huge part of the College of General
Studies program, which is the Capstone
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that we have at the end, and you work
in a group with, I think, about eight
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people, and you write a 50 page paper.
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Some people might question what is
the relevance of that, it just seems
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like added stress, but you really get
to understand what it's like to work
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within a team, and we live in such a
fast paced world and the center of any
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business, whether that, whether you're
an engineer, whether you're a doctor,
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whether you're working in business,
you are most likely going to have to
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work with a team at some point, you're
going to need to work with people and
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being able to have that experience from
CGS of like writing a paper, 50 pages,
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a research heavy, being able to split
that up, knowing how to communicate.
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It's so important to have these
skills from such a young age to really
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help you build on that, allow you to
make those mistakes when Arguably,
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it matters a little bit less.
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Um, and just being able to learn
more about yourself, how you work
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with others is so, so important.
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And you get to, you have so many options
to choose from of what to write about.
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You learn so much more about yourself,
about other people in the process,
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how people think, what those diverse
perspectives are, and how the,
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how those apply within your life.
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And How you operate as well
is just, it's so important.
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So you had actually mentioned a few
times, um, about learning about yourself.
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And we had also previously talked
a little bit about that from
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different perspectives and whatnot.
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What is, what is this about
learning about oneself, right?
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So how does that apply
to a business degree?
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How does it apply to your, and by the
way, you're not defined by your degree.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know, you are, there are things
in the world that you want to do.
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You want to see the world in a certain,
in a different, in a certain way.
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And you want to make that happen.
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You want to contribute to that future.
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What is the role and the significance
about learning about yourself?
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Cause you talked about a few times and I
feel like there's, there's more to that.
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I think the most important part
about learning about yourself is just
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learning about emotional intelligence.
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I actually gave a speech about this last
week to my class about the importance
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of emotional intelligence and really
the first step of being emotionally
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intelligent is being self aware.
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And I just think that knowing who
you are as a person, knowing what
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your boundaries are, what your
triggers are, what your biases are.
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Being able to understand that is such
a huge skill that a lot of people don't
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have, and if you do have that skill,
you are miles ahead of a lot of people.
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Being able to understand
who you are as a person.
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Helps you be more socially aware
because you understand, okay, this
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is how I'm going to communicate
with this person because this is
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how I think about this situation.
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And I know when to take a step back.
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I know when I want to speak passionately
about something I know when and
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how to communicate effectively.
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That is important in any field.
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Like I said, you're going to
be working with so many people.
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You need to be socially aware.
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And sometimes, Well, most times, actually.
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Learning about yourself
takes a difficult situation.
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It requires something challenging
to happen and you take a step back
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and you look at it and you say, oh
my gosh, I didn't realize that this
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is something that usually upsets me.
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I didn't realize that
I reacted in that way.
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It was just in the moment
and I just did that.
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Taking that time out to self reflect
on why you make decisions that you
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make and why you do the things that
you do really helps you understand
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who you are as a person more.
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And understanding who you are as
a person plays a huge role in your
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relationships, how you manage those
effectively, and how you manage yourself.
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How you feel about yourself, how you
feel about your life, you will be
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more satisfied with life and you'll
be more able to Self accept and have
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a better psychological well being When
you understand who you are as a person
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Understand what your weaknesses are and
you're able to work towards those as well.
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Can I ask you sort of
a side question here?
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So Dami, are you always this
self reflective or is it
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something that you learn?
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Like, what is, what is it?
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Um, I definitely had to learn it.
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I mean, no one's perfect.
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Um, like I said, I gave a talk last week
about emotional intelligence and really
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the start of the talk was when I had a
time when I wasn't this self reflective.
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Um, I realize from a lot of my friends
and that that's another thing is being
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able to take feedback is a huge thing
that comes with becoming self reflective.
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I remember growing up, a lot of people
would tell me that I was defensive
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and I never thought of myself.
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I never thought of myself in that way.
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So it was something that
I started to brush off.
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But when I realized that people who
I care about deeply, my best friends,
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my siblings, were telling me like,
we can have an argument and you can
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like, you know, lay your point down,
but you don't need to fight me.
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You don't need to not
listen to what I'm saying.
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And that's when I realized like,
Oh my God, I had to take the step
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back and be like, Oh my gosh,
I'm, I'm not listening to people.
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And because I'm you know, I
want so badly to be heard.
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I'm not hearing other people and I
was able to really learn the value
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of being self aware, knowing when
to listen to people and knowing
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that like sometimes speaking all
the time is not how you get heard.
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You need to listen to people first.
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Um, so yeah, there's the
self reflection journey.
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It's, it's, it's been a journey.
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I wasn't always like this, but I think
with time, with age, with things like
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CGS that force you to be in those
positions where you self reflect, force
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you to be in positions where you receive
feedback from other people about how
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you responded to certain situations,
triggers you to want to be better.
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And I want to just have that
self reflection of, okay,
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what, what can I do next?
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How can I better myself
on this journey of life?
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Can I, um, I, this is so beautiful.
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You just said, you know,
these are, these are amazing.
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I, I, I want to, um, point out this
notion that a lot of people have.
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And I don't know whether you even
agree with it because, I mean, you, you
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only started college a few years ago.
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So, you know, before then you,
you don't really know, you haven't
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experienced what college is like yet.
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And a lot of people, and this
is not young people alone.
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This is across ages, across the spectrum
of people who have attended college.
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Depend on when you attended college.
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It could be 30 years ago.
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But a lot of people think about
going to college as being this
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giant sort of pressure cooker of
let's feed more, let's marinate you
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more in more and more knowledge.
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And knowledge, you know, is, is almost
like in, in, in, in forms of content, you
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know, like, you know, I think everyone
who's listening to you today can say.
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Man, she's really well spoken.
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She's really can, she
really expressed herself.
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So there's that language component, right?
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To build the ability to carry yourself,
to be able to, to express, to be
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able to, to, to, to make sense of
the world and to be able to express
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that, um, you know, to others, right.
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Yeah.
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Um, but, but there is
actually, um, you know...
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and there's, there is, by the way, a
fair amount of content, so to speak.
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If we hear everything that you said
today, it's actually much more about
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the experiences that you were, that were
created for you that were like, you know,
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like, here's, here are the adventures.
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They're well designed.
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We hope you go through it.
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It's not a bunch of content
that we want you to have.
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We want you to have the
experience so that you have.
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You're forced into doing the reflections
to examine yourself, to learn about
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yourself, to learn about who you are,
what your values are, so that when
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you I mean, you talked about, for
example, the value of diversity today.
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And by the way, it obviously shows up
in then what you then participated in
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at the Goldman Sachs, you know, uh,
uh, uh, uh, uh, summit and the fact
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that they picked you out of a 10, you
know, um, you and a number of others
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out of over 10, 000 applicants, right?
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It's not some skills that.
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Or some content, I should say,
that was read to you in a book,
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like in a book, paragraph three,
this is how you work with a team.
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Yeah, exactly.
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They can listen all out, but
you won't, you won't understand
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it, you won't learn it, right?
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And I think that those are some of
those things that, it's elusive, it's
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like, wait, what is college about?
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And I actually think that there's
so much about education that is
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It's so obscure and therefore also
so it's abstract, um, and therefore
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it's hard to put your finger on it.
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And people almost kind of
discount it because they go,
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I don't know why I need that.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Because it's like, it's not this skill
that I can just check off in a box.
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Actually you do check those boxes off.
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It's just that it doesn't come from
reading a couple of paragraphs.
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Mm hmm.
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Right, it comes from actually
going through an experience
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that is hard, like you said.
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You know, they're hard and, and it's
like you have to face it and you
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have to take courage to face it.
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You have to take hard work and resilience
and all of that to face it and to then
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process it and then reflect on it and
then you go, now I actually own this.
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You wouldn't otherwise own it,
because otherwise, we could have just
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said, Let's not worry about going
to London, it's really expensive.
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Like, just read this book, right?
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John, uh, Regan could just
say, Here, I wrote this book.
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Read it, and you've got it all.
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You don't need to go and do all of this.
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It wouldn't work, right?
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It wouldn't work.
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And that's the difference I feel like
between sort of a learning experience
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as what education is versus just a
bunch of content that you think you
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can just read about and then just
Remember it and then that's it.
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Yeah.
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No, yeah, exactly.
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I think I agree completely
with what you're saying.
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I feel like there is that misconception
of college is just a bunch of,
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you know, exams and studying.
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And while it is that, there is that part,
but it's so much more the experience.
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Like you said, I think, of course,
college isn't for everyone.
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But I do believe that it's
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Um, what I'm going to take away from
college, mainly, is the experience.
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When I'm talking about that Capstone
Project, where we had to write the 50
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page paper, I didn't even mention what
the topic was, because it almost ended
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up not even being the main focus anymore.
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It was, Um, More about
what we learned as a team.
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I think, honestly, the project, what I've
realized now is the topic doesn't matter.
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You can choose whatever topic you
want to talk about, but what is
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really the main takeaway is how you
effectively worked with your team to
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produce a good, well written paper.
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How did you guys split the work up?
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How did you communicate?
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That's really what the takeaway is.
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What are the skills you learn
from that that are actually
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like applicable in other areas?
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Not just the knowledge you
got from doing the research.
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I mean, our paper was about.
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CTE, um, and brain trauma.
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That's not applicable for me because
I'm going into the business world,
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but the experience that I got from
that, that's what's applicable.
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That's what's helped me in other
team projects that I've had
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working internships, working
in team projects and classes.
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That's what's really carried through.
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That's what the importance
of education is.
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It's the experiences that
you get along the way.
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You.
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meet so many people in college that are
from all over the world and that's the
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really the only time where you're meeting
people so many different people who are
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all kind of in the same stage of life
like at the same time and And are all
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commonly working towards the same goal.
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And I feel like people don't appreciate
that moment enough and really take
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the time out to reflect and be like,
Wow, this is the only time that I'm
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going to be around 19, 20 year olds.
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That all just want to get a degree that
all want to learn something from this,
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even though we're all so vastly different.
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I know that, uh, at CGS, you had
been building a portfolio of your
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work throughout those two years.
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Yeah.
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Tell me a little bit about that.
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What that was like.
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What did you do?
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What did you have to do?
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And what did you get anything out of it?
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So At CGS, we had to use
Digication to create an...
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a portfolio of all of our work.
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So we had a homepage and we also had
every single class already embedded within
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the Digication once we got on campus,
it was nice that we didn't have to set
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that up, but we had to really learn how
to include tabs within the Digication
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site to put different projects on there.
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And I really liked it because I liked
that we were able to personalize
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it and customize it when you use
traditional like homework poster sites.
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There's not really much personalization
that can go with this, but with
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this it's literally a portfolio.
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It has a picture of you, a
description of you, and it's very
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personalized, which I really like.
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And I like that it was
like really easy to use.
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You can just put everything.
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I like that everything is in
one place and so easy to access.
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Um, and so.
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Yeah, it was, it was nice.
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I think there were about 12 ish classes
within it, and it was nice that we, we
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just had it embedded within the system.
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I remember, you know, seeing that
your portfolio being presented
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for the first time, like for
me, it was at that conference.
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And I remember, you know, Um, I
believe that you, I still remember
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that you had shown, um, your
portfolio through your London trip.
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And I think that's why I remember
this food assignment so well.
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And I think it had, I mean, you talked
about the design, the colors, um, And
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I remember, I think there was some of
that that was part of the portfolio.
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Am I right or am I dreaming this up?
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No, it was definitely part.
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I included the pictures of the food,
the pictures I took, like, at the
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place within the portfolio as well.
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Yeah, and I remember thinking, you
know, I remember, um, you and John were
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talking about how communication, You
know, a lot of people think about going
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to college is just writing a ton and
ton of papers, you know, but it's also
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about expressing yourself in all these
different models these days, right?
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Being able to express yourself
through photographs, through
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design, through, through how you
put a sort of web page together.
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And these are some of the skills
that frankly, it becomes a today's
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everyday skill for, uh, a someone, you
know, in the 21st century trying to.
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You know, whether you go into business
or you want to become, you know, a
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researcher or what have you, right?
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Um, yeah, we're talking about data
analytics, but that's not going to be
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just charts and tables anymore, right?
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Yeah.
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You're we're moving into such a
tech-focused world that I think
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it's so important to understand, to
know how different platforms work.
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Use things differently, what different
buttons mean, what different icons mean.
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It's nice to have that technological
portfolio that has everything in one
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place and it is applicable to Data
Analytics as well because I'm learning
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how to format things and the huge
part of data analytics, especially
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when working in a business field,
is knowing how to present data in a
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neat, pretty, and understandable way.
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And I feel like having that design
aspect of designing the portfolio in
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a way that it's readable for people,
a way that it's easy for people to
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understand, definitely applies now in
my major and everything that I'm doing.
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It's just, How to make life
easier for people, basically.
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Yeah, I hear a lot of people that go
through that process talk about the, um,
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experience of being able to tell stories.
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So storytelling, not purely through
the ability to write papers.
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Yeah.
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I almost feel like that it used
to be the case, you know, like
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every, most college students just
write a ton and a ton of papers.
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Um, but, but today it really
is not like that anymore.
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Um, and I also remember seeing
your portfolio cause it's so rich.
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You got, you know, 12 classes
worth of stuff in there.
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Yeah.
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That it's almost impossible to ignore
the type of interconnectedness and the
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integrative nature of your learning.
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Yeah.
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And, and one of the things that I had
always felt that that was important
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in, in education and learning, but it's
somehow seems sometimes forgotten, is
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that you know, and, and I don't know
what it is because of the way that
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grades work, work out in most schools
or in most classes, the culture of just
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doing assignments and this assignment
is worth 10 points and this assignment
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is worth another, you know, 15 points.
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After the assignments over, you
kind of almost don't even think
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about these assignments again.
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It's episodic and transactional, you
know, whereas when I see your whole
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portfolio, I remember thinking, man,
that's a body of work and a body of work
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is different from a bunch of transactions,
almost like, you know, when you look
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at like someone's transcript, it almost
looks like, it's just like a receipt,
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it looks like a receipt, it looks like
a receipt, you know, but what we really
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want to see is a body of work of someone
who's accomplished all these things,
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and the sum of all of that is It adds
up to be a lot more, a lot bigger than
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just, you know, a list of receipts.
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Yeah.
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I, that's, I think that's one of the
reasons why I really valued like having
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the portfolio and because I'm such a
visual person and I really like to dig
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deep and understand the value of things.
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00:29:32,120
And I feel like having, like you said,
that body of work is, it's valuable
430
00:29:32,130 -->
00:29:34,370
than just seeing a bunch of A's.
431
00:29:35,000 -->
00:29:41,190
It's different when you get to go in and
see the different papers, the slides,
432
00:29:41,190 -->
00:29:47,140
the pictures, everything in one place,
and you can really tell how the classes
433
00:29:47,140 -->
00:29:51,880
are interconnected than if you just see a
class name and a grade right next to it.
434
00:29:52,570 -->
00:29:55,260
It doesn't have that same
effect on you, and you don't
435
00:29:55,310 -->
00:29:57,610
really see what the person did.
436
00:29:58,395 -->
00:30:01,795
What buildable skills they got
from that experience as well.
437
00:30:02,435 -->
00:30:03,225
So that's the reason.
438
00:30:04,835 -->
00:30:07,325
Can we wrap up with a quick exercise here?
439
00:30:07,515 -->
00:30:09,695
Let's see if we don't work, but let's see.
440
00:30:09,745 -->
00:30:10,195
All right.
441
00:30:10,585 -->
00:30:14,425
So based on some of the work
that you've done, right?
442
00:30:14,465 -->
00:30:19,225
I mean, you see your portfolio
with all this rich, you know, 12
443
00:30:19,265 -->
00:30:21,755
courses, word of stuff in there.
444
00:30:22,205 -->
00:30:27,235
Now that you see them there,
are there relationships or
445
00:30:27,255 -->
00:30:29,415
connections that you can make?
446
00:30:31,305 -->
00:30:32,155
After the fact.
447
00:30:32,175 -->
00:30:36,375
Either it's today or after
these courses are over that,
448
00:30:36,775 -->
00:30:38,425
that surprised you, you know?
449
00:30:38,915 -->
00:30:42,925
Like maybe it's something that, oh wow,
I did this in London, but I also, this
450
00:30:43,135 -->
00:30:46,955
reappeared again over somewhere else or,
you know, something along those lines.
451
00:30:47,585 -->
00:30:48,565
Can you think of anything like that?
452
00:30:48,565 -->
00:30:56,555
Like I said, um, the experience definitely
carries over and there have been moments
453
00:30:56,555 -->
00:31:02,015
where I've gone back into the Digication
because it's just so much easier to go in.
454
00:31:02,075 -->
00:31:05,335
It's all in one place to go
in and look at something.
455
00:31:05,335 -->
00:31:12,210
I I had to write a research paper
for one of my business classes and I
456
00:31:12,210 -->
00:31:16,920
remember Professor Regan taught us like
a really good way to write research
457
00:31:16,920 -->
00:31:20,060
papers and so I just immediately was
like oh okay Digication let me just go
458
00:31:20,340 -->
00:31:24,330
look in there it was I'm like it's all
in there already so it's so much easier
459
00:31:24,950 -->
00:31:29,740
to go from there and I think also from
London like I said the experiences we
460
00:31:29,740 -->
00:31:36,080
had from there, the different classes,
the fact that we were able to learn
461
00:31:36,110 -->
00:31:37,990
from experience was really what.
462
00:31:39,290 -->
00:31:43,860
um, London was, because of course
Professor Regan's class, which was
463
00:31:43,860 -->
00:31:50,430
the writing class, we had the food in
London critique class, but my social
464
00:31:50,430 -->
00:31:55,490
science class, she really wanted
us to, my professor, um, Professor
465
00:31:55,490 -->
00:32:01,470
Blaschke, she really wanted us to
have autonomy in the work that we did,
466
00:32:01,780 -->
00:32:04,650
and so she told us, explore London.
467
00:32:05,490 -->
00:32:06,830
Find something interesting.
468
00:32:06,830 -->
00:32:10,690
You think about London, it can be
history related or not history related
469
00:32:10,930 -->
00:32:12,920
and I want you guys to create a podcast.
470
00:32:12,930 -->
00:32:18,310
So we actually submitted a podcast
episode as one of our homeworks and
471
00:32:18,310 -->
00:32:27,830
then finally my art history class was,
um, he told us go around to, like, four
472
00:32:27,900 -->
00:32:35,470
museums, find interconnected themes, and
choose from one era, either the 1960s,
473
00:32:35,470 -->
00:32:38,960
1970s, and create a slideshow of that.
474
00:32:39,515 -->
00:32:46,895
Depicts these images and homework
being exploring is just so important.
475
00:32:46,895 -->
00:32:51,725
I think those experiences, learning
so much about the world and how
476
00:32:51,725 -->
00:32:56,435
to communicate because all those
projects, what they had in common
477
00:32:56,445 -->
00:33:00,005
is you're sharing your experiences.
478
00:33:00,005 -->
00:33:02,825
You're learning how to
communicate experiences.
479
00:33:02,825 -->
00:33:07,825
This isn't just, it's not just writing
a paper, it's communicating experiences.
480
00:33:07,825 -->
00:33:13,315
So whether it's through writing, through
a slide deck, through a podcast, you're
481
00:33:13,315 -->
00:33:17,725
learning the different ways to express
yourself, and I feel like that can be
482
00:33:17,725 -->
00:33:22,555
applied in any field, and I've definitely
seen that show up in the work that I
483
00:33:22,555 -->
00:33:30,260
do now, where I have to analyze data
and depict that through a slideshow or
484
00:33:31,170 -->
00:33:34,860
in some of my marketing classes we're
talking about like marketing management,
485
00:33:35,380 -->
00:33:41,140
creating a slide deck that shows how
organizations work, all that, all those
486
00:33:41,140 -->
00:33:45,820
experiences I had that I might not
have had if I just went in straight
487
00:33:45,820 -->
00:33:51,405
on have really, really applied as I've
gone in through my work and I think.
488
00:33:53,110 -->
00:33:58,670
The Digication has been such a center
part of that because the fact that it's
489
00:33:58,680 -->
00:34:05,330
all in one spot is so nice, and it's so
nice to go back and look on and be like,
490
00:34:05,330 -->
00:34:08,550
I created this, like I, I made this.
491
00:34:08,580 -->
00:34:15,580
This Digication was blank at some point,
no color, no design, no work embedded
492
00:34:15,580 -->
00:34:17,590
into it, and I put the work into this.
493
00:34:17,670 -->
00:34:22,120
I designed this, and I've really
made it my own, is what It's such
494
00:34:22,120 -->
00:34:23,890
a proud moment for me as well.
495
00:34:26,960 -->
00:34:27,900
That's wonderful.
496
00:34:28,130 -->
00:34:36,420
Um, well, listen, I, I've, I've been
fully inspired by talking to you today.
497
00:34:36,550 -->
00:34:38,440
I've been inspired for you too.
498
00:34:38,500 -->
00:34:44,450
You, you, you, you know, honestly, I
think that you give a lot of, I think
499
00:34:44,450 -->
00:34:48,360
that people who will be listening,
this will, will feel a sense of hope.
500
00:34:48,360 -->
00:34:49,240
And also.
501
00:34:50,875 -->
00:34:54,755
Hopefully a for those who
have been pessimistic.
502
00:34:54,855 -->
00:35:01,780
Yeah about colleges And what it
means and what higher education does.
503
00:35:02,550 -->
00:35:12,010
I hope it gives you some renewed optimism
to sort of, to appreciate that, you
504
00:35:12,010 -->
00:35:17,330
know, if it was all about just learning
a bunch of skills that people just
505
00:35:17,330 -->
00:35:19,440
read a lot into a, into in the book.
506
00:35:20,040 -->
00:35:22,140
We would've just set
you free in a library.
507
00:35:22,140 -->
00:35:22,680
Exactly.
508
00:35:23,490 -->
00:35:23,850
Right.
509
00:35:24,120 -->
00:35:28,080
But this, it, it, this sort of
planned experience, these going on
510
00:35:28,080 -->
00:35:33,060
these adventures in a guided way
by professors who have spent their
511
00:35:33,060 -->
00:35:34,950
lives trying to perfect that skill.
512
00:35:34,950 -->
00:35:36,900
Mm-hmm . You know, to be able to help you.
513
00:35:36,900 -->
00:35:40,520
I think that's what you are really
getting, you know, in a, in a,
514
00:35:40,580 -->
00:35:45,180
in a, in a well structured, well
designed, higher education program.
515
00:35:45,500 -->
00:35:49,030
And I, I really do think
that people, um, before they.
516
00:35:50,525 -->
00:35:51,445
Dismiss that.
517
00:35:52,685 -->
00:35:54,605
Um, they should give it a fair shake.
518
00:35:54,635 -->
00:35:58,125
They should give it, they should
really look at it and understand.
519
00:35:58,135 -->
00:35:58,695
Hold on a minute.
520
00:35:59,460 -->
00:36:04,370
These are things that I can't
get out of reading a book.
521
00:36:05,310 -->
00:36:09,920
Um, and it's, it's just hard otherwise,
you know, to, to be able to get, get that.
522
00:36:10,370 -->
00:36:16,880
Um, and, uh, and you've just been so,
um, delightful to talk to and, and, and,
523
00:36:16,950 -->
00:36:21,151
and it, it, by the way, it makes me want
to go back to college and be like, can
524
00:36:21,151 -->
00:36:23,470
I just do that London semester, please?
525
00:36:23,840 -->
00:36:26,750
I wish I could go back to
the London semester too.
526
00:36:27,540 -->
00:36:28,480
Right, right.
527
00:36:28,480 -->
00:36:28,539
Okay.
528
00:36:29,300 -->
00:36:32,310
That's what, that's what BU
should be doing, doing a London
529
00:36:32,310 -->
00:36:33,960
semester for alumni, right?
530
00:36:34,290 -->
00:36:34,680
Yeah.
531
00:36:34,730 -->
00:36:39,390
After you graduate, you know,
you can still go back, but
532
00:36:39,390 -->
00:36:40,210
now you have to pay for it.
533
00:36:43,060 -->
00:36:43,540
All right.
534
00:36:43,830 -->
00:36:44,900
Hey, listen, it's been.
535
00:36:45,585 -->
00:36:46,865
It's been so great talking to you, Dami.
536
00:36:46,865 -->
00:36:48,795
Thank you so much for having me.
537
00:36:48,795 -->
00:36:51,105
I've, I really enjoyed our conversation.
538
00:36:51,855 -->
00:36:52,725
Yeah, same here.
539
00:36:52,725 -->
00:36:54,945
And I look forward to
like, please keep in touch.
540
00:36:54,945 -->
00:36:56,895
Mm-hmm . I look forward
to seeing what you do.
541
00:36:56,925 -->
00:36:57,705
Thank you so much.
542
00:36:57,705 -->
00:36:58,875
Into this next phase.
543
00:36:59,175 -->
00:37:04,535
I'm sure that lots of amazing things
will come out of it and, uh, we, we,
544
00:37:04,590 -->
00:37:09,730
we are so glad to have been a small
part of you know, your, your journey.
545
00:37:09,770 -->
00:37:12,400
Um, so it's, it's very inspiring.
546
00:37:12,790 -->
00:37:13,180
Okay.
547
00:37:13,220 -->
00:37:13,850
Take care.
548
00:37:13,930 -->
00:37:14,270
Thank you.
549
00:37:14,320 -->
00:37:16,080
And I, uh, stay in touch.
550
00:37:16,080 -->
00:37:16,350
Okay.
551
00:37:16,470 -->
00:37:16,890
Of course.
552
00:37:16,940 -->
00:37:17,400
Bye.
553
00:37:17,720 -->
00:37:17,830
All right.
554
00:37:20,700 -->
00:37:24,360
Here's a preview of what's coming
up next in my conversation with
555
00:37:24,360 -->
00:37:29,380
Matthew Gomes, an ADP Systems Analyst
at Bunker Hill Community College.
556
00:37:30,270 -->
00:37:34,240
But it, it is one of those things
where the more you put into it and
557
00:37:34,240 -->
00:37:35,930
by more, I don't mean quantity.
558
00:37:36,230 -->
00:37:39,930
But the more you put into it,
the more you can get out of it.
559
00:37:40,240 -->
00:37:42,980
So it transcends just that one
class you're taking where you
560
00:37:42,980 -->
00:37:44,180
want to get an A on your homework.
