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Hello and good morning. How are you doing today?
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I'm great, Arrow, how are you?
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I'm loving your energy, I really am, because I mean,
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it's moments like this where you are bringing to the
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world and a lot of unknowing people, a person who
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has written a lot of very empowering things while traveling
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this nation, and I just I'm so inspired by you
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to share it.
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Oh thanks, I'm thrilled to share it.
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How did it even come into being? Where were you
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at when you discovered this? Because I mean, this didn't
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just fall into your lap. There's no way you know
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I discs.
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I'll tell you I discovered Kerouac and on the Road.
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I was a sixteen year old kid in Tallahassee, Florida,
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and I had a terrific English professor, doctor Kathy Scott,
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who re who required me to read the book.
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And I read it and I thought it was brilliant.
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But I'll be honest, as a young black kid, gay
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in the South at the time, I didn't feel the
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same connection to the book because I didn't really feel
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like I could go on the Road in the same
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way that Jack did. And so for me, all these
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decades later, it was really important to think about all
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the people who could, but also all the people who
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couldn't go on the road back in nineteen fifty seven
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when the book came out, and to show them today
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and to remind people of the relevance of not just
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the story, but that this guy really gave us this
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concept of going on the road and it's so ubiquitous
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that we all take it for granted, but he really
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made it super sexy and still super sexy today.
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Dude, I am an r veer with this vision of
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going out on the road like you speak of. But
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the problem is, though, and I can't be the only
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one that's going through this, is that I don't have
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the courage or confidence to go on the road like
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this guy did. I mean, I'll go maybe an hour
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away from my house. I'm done. I've traveled enough. And
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I think it's based on a fear, and I think
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this documentary is going to change me.
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Look, I think we all have elements of that fear.
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And I think one of the things that continues to
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reinforce that fear is our reliance on technology and media
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and social media.
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And I find that.
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The sooner we look around and put our phone down
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and actually look out the window, the sooner we walk
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outside of our house and interact with our neighbor.
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You know, there's a lot more.
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What's great, what's brilliant about the book, and what I
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hope we show in the film is that there's a
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lot more that brings us together, regardless of race, gender, politics,
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whatever it may be. There's a lot more that brings
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us together and gives us community than there is that
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separates us. And so we got to find that. And
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that's that I think will also help us all go
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that extra hour away from home.
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You use my favorite word, find, and you did. You
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found a lot of people that are willing to talk
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about this, you know, Brolin, Natalie Merchant of all people,
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because we haven't heard from her in a long time,
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and even Matt Dylan. You brought people together as one.
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Look, I think that's the goal of the film, bringing
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people together. And I'll tell you Natalie Merchant, who was
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so kind and great and said, oh gosh, I'm you know,
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I'll participate in the film.
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And then she saw an early cut of.
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The film and the email that I got back from
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her was, you know, it inspired me, and it inspired
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her to write a new song. And so the end
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credit to the film and she you know, are her
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new song in the Land, and it's kind of a beautiful,
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you know, American anthem about what it is to be
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an American and what it is to be on the
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road and what it is to be finding yourself. So
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it was kind of full circle from when she wrote
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Hey Jack Kerouac with ten Thousand Maniacs years ago.
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Please do not Move. There's more with Ebes Bruno coming
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up next. The name of the movie slash documentary is
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Harrawax Road. Let's get back into that talk with Ebes
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burn Home. One of the things that's really touching is
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the honesty that's inside this For instance, like home is
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a feel, home is where you park it. That is
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so true and that to me, I think is the
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is the winning line of me expanding my travels. And
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it's because of this documentary.
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Well I think, I mean, that's terrific, and I think
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home is where home is where you park at. And
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one of the great things about the road is, you know,
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part of being an American is get on the road.
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Whether we're going to see Graham on Grandpa, or whether
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we're going to a new job, or whether we're leaving
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a bad relationship, whatever it is. The exciting thing about
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the road is that there is something in front of us.
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Yeah, there is a future that we are.
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Going towards, and that is empowering individually and as a collective.
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You know, that's interesting that you say that about going
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forward because one of the things that I invest a
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lot of time in is I do a thing called
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dear future Reader. And I think that you know that
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Jack was the same way to your future person. I'm
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doing something right now so that you will be affected
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beyond twenty twenty five, that's right.
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And so that you'll be affected beyond twenty twenty five,
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so that you know it's also you know, it's also
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okay to say so that I'll be affected beyond twenty
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twenty five. So it's I think it's okay for us
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to give ourselves a little bit of hope and a
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little bit of an excitement for what the future holds.
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That's that's kind of one of the to me, that's
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one of the most exciting and energetic things about living.
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It's not just the here and now, it's it's the future.
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You know.
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One of the things that you cover is the actual
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physical movement of embracing American history because so many times
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I bump into people that don't care about that, and
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yet every one of us are here because of someone
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or something before us. And this is one of those
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moments where pay attention to where we once were so
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you can grow forward one hundred percent.
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I mean, I think again, one of the one of
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the despite you know, when I was out on the road,
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I would I'd be at an RV park in you know,
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New Mexico or Louisiana, or you know, somewhere out on
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the road, and I would see, you know, you know,
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a pro Trump bumper sticker. I would see a pro
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Biden bumper sticker. And what was amazing though, was, you
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know what, it didn't matter. When you're out there, people
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are communicating with one another and they're saying, hey, you know,
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the gas is cheaper at Route sixty to two than
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it is here if you get up an exit sixty two,
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and they're saying, oh, there's an amazing fried chicken steak
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place if you go twenty miles outside of Albuquerque to
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the to the west, and there's a lot more that
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brings us together, and so it's easy for us to
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we often get sidelined by you know, the news or
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our social media algorithms.
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But three reality is.
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We live in a rich, diverse, extraordinary country where we
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actually get along really well and we help each other,
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and we just need to be reminded of that.
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Very interesting that you say that, because I've always been
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quoted to say that I feel safer in an RV
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park where everybody is from everywhere than I do in
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my own neighborhood where we've all been together twenty five years.
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It's there is something about the collected we are. We
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creating community is essential, and you find that on the road,
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and you find that at our V parks, and you
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find it, and you find that that sense of humanity,
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that remembrance. As someone once said that there is a
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germ of every single person on the planet in each
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of us. There is something that we all share, and
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that's that's the exciting thing about life.
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Right.
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Here's the thing. This is gonna be an RV question
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to another, and that is how long did it take
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you to stop putting out the little gadgets outside your RV?
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Because we all wanted to have the best looking decorations,
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and all of a sudden one day you wake up,
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you go, we don't need that out there anymore.
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We don't need that, We don't need that flower in vase.
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You.
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I was lucky when I was doing this. When I
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was working really on this film, I was traveling. You know,
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there are three you know, current day travelers that are
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on the road, and I was traveling with them. And
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it was funny Diana who is almost seventy, who was
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traveling going to reconnect with her strange father who was
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ninety one at the time, and watching her be with
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her and she was amazing because she was so no nonsense.
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It was like she would like connect everything and hook
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the RV up and have the water running and she
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was like, look, this is my home. And it was
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the inside that was her amazing safe space, and the
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rest of the gadgets she was like, that's for the birds.
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So it was it was incredible.
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I also learned a lot so personally deep inside your
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soul when you so here's someone make a quote like this,
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it's not about the trip but the destination. What does
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that do to your soul? You know what?
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It's it reminds me that like we're all on our
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own individual journeys, and that is we're each on our path.
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And the great thing about life is we get to
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bump into one another. You know, I'm bumping into you,
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I'm bumping into Arrow this morning, or we're having like
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a real live experience.
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And then I'll.
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Bump into someone this afternoon, and I'll bump into someone
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at the gas station tomorrow.
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And that's the that's the excitement of the journey.
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And if we if we get too caught up in
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you know, the social media of it, or we get
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too caught up in you know, the politics of it,
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we we missed the forest for the trees. So we
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gotta experience the road and enjoy it.
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Where can people go to find out more about Caro
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Wax Road August.
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First, we're rolling out, you know, in New York and
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Los Angeles, and then rolling out across the country in theater,
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in a theater near everybody immediately thereafter.
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So go see it. Please, thank you for having me.
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Well you come back to this show anytime in the future.
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You're the best. Arrow, Thanks so much.
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Be brilliant today.
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Okay, thanks man,
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Hello and good morning. How are you doing today?
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I'm great, Arrow, how are you?
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I'm loving your energy, I really am, because I mean,
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it's moments like this where you are bringing to the
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world and a lot of unknowing people, a person who
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has written a lot of very empowering things while traveling
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this nation, and I just I'm so inspired by you
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to share it.
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Oh thanks, I'm thrilled to share it.
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How did it even come into being? Where were you
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at when you discovered this? Because I mean, this didn't
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just fall into your lap. There's no way you know
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I discs.
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I'll tell you I discovered Kerouac and on the Road.
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I was a sixteen year old kid in Tallahassee, Florida,
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and I had a terrific English professor, doctor Kathy Scott,
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who re who required me to read the book.
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And I read it and I thought it was brilliant.
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But I'll be honest, as a young black kid, gay
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in the South at the time, I didn't feel the
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same connection to the book because I didn't really feel
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like I could go on the Road in the same
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way that Jack did. And so for me, all these
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decades later, it was really important to think about all
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the people who could, but also all the people who
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couldn't go on the road back in nineteen fifty seven
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when the book came out, and to show them today
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and to remind people of the relevance of not just
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the story, but that this guy really gave us this
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concept of going on the road and it's so ubiquitous
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that we all take it for granted, but he really
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made it super sexy and still super sexy today.
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Dude, I am an r veer with this vision of
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going out on the road like you speak of. But
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the problem is, though, and I can't be the only
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one that's going through this, is that I don't have
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the courage or confidence to go on the road like
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this guy did. I mean, I'll go maybe an hour
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away from my house. I'm done. I've traveled enough. And
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I think it's based on a fear, and I think
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this documentary is going to change me.
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Look, I think we all have elements of that fear.
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reinforce that fear is our reliance on technology and media
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and social media.
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and actually look out the window, the sooner we walk
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outside of our house and interact with our neighbor.
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What's great, what's brilliant about the book, and what I
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hope we show in the film is that there's a
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lot more that brings us together, regardless of race, gender, politics,
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whatever it may be. There's a lot more that brings
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us together and gives us community than there is that
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separates us. And so we got to find that. And
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that's that I think will also help us all go
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that extra hour away from home.
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You use my favorite word, find, and you did. You
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found a lot of people that are willing to talk
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about this, you know, Brolin, Natalie Merchant of all people,
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because we haven't heard from her in a long time,
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and even Matt Dylan. You brought people together as one.
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people together. And I'll tell you Natalie Merchant, who was
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so kind and great and said, oh gosh, I'm you know,
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I'll participate in the film.
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The film and the email that I got back from
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her was, you know, it inspired me, and it inspired
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her to write a new song. And so the end
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credit to the film and she you know, are her
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new song in the Land, and it's kind of a beautiful,
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you know, American anthem about what it is to be
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an American and what it is to be on the
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road and what it is to be finding yourself. So
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it was kind of full circle from when she wrote
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Hey Jack Kerouac with ten Thousand Maniacs years ago.
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Please do not Move. There's more with Ebes Bruno coming
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up next. The name of the movie slash documentary is
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Harrawax Road. Let's get back into that talk with Ebes
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burn Home. One of the things that's really touching is
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the honesty that's inside this For instance, like home is
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a feel, home is where you park it. That is
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so true and that to me, I think is the
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is the winning line of me expanding my travels. And
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home is where home is where you park at. And
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one of the great things about the road is, you know,
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part of being an American is get on the road.
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Whether we're going to see Graham on Grandpa, or whether
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we're going to a new job, or whether we're leaving
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a bad relationship, whatever it is. The exciting thing about
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the road is that there is something in front of us.
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Yeah, there is a future that we are.
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Going towards, and that is empowering individually and as a collective.
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forward because one of the things that I invest a
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lot of time in is I do a thing called
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dear future Reader. And I think that you know that
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Jack was the same way to your future person. I'm
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doing something right now so that you will be affected
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beyond twenty twenty five, that's right.
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so that you know it's also you know, it's also
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okay to say so that I'll be affected beyond twenty
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twenty five. So it's I think it's okay for us
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to give ourselves a little bit of hope and a
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little bit of an excitement for what the future holds.
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one of the most exciting and energetic things about living.
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It's not just the here and now, it's it's the future.
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One of the things that you cover is the actual
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physical movement of embracing American history because so many times
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I bump into people that don't care about that, and
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yet every one of us are here because of someone
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or something before us. And this is one of those
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moments where pay attention to where we once were so
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you can grow forward one hundred percent.
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I mean, I think again, one of the one of
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the despite you know, when I was out on the road,
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New Mexico or Louisiana, or you know, somewhere out on
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the road, and I would see, you know, you know,
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a pro Trump bumper sticker. I would see a pro
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Biden bumper sticker. And what was amazing though, was, you
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know what, it didn't matter. When you're out there, people
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are communicating with one another and they're saying, hey, you know,
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the gas is cheaper at Route sixty to two than
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it is here if you get up an exit sixty two,
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and they're saying, oh, there's an amazing fried chicken steak
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place if you go twenty miles outside of Albuquerque to
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the to the west, and there's a lot more that
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brings us together, and so it's easy for us to
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we often get sidelined by you know, the news or
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our social media algorithms.
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We live in a rich, diverse, extraordinary country where we
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actually get along really well and we help each other,
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and we just need to be reminded of that.
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Very interesting that you say that, because I've always been
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quoted to say that I feel safer in an RV
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park where everybody is from everywhere than I do in
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my own neighborhood where we've all been together twenty five years.
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It's there is something about the collected we are. We
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creating community is essential, and you find that on the road,
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and you find that at our V parks, and you
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find it, and you find that that sense of humanity,
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that remembrance. As someone once said that there is a
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germ of every single person on the planet in each
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of us. There is something that we all share, and
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that's that's the exciting thing about life.
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Here's the thing. This is gonna be an RV question
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to another, and that is how long did it take
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you to stop putting out the little gadgets outside your RV?
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Because we all wanted to have the best looking decorations,
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and all of a sudden one day you wake up,
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you go, we don't need that out there anymore.
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We don't need that, We don't need that flower in vase.
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was working really on this film, I was traveling. You know,
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there are three you know, current day travelers that are
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on the road, and I was traveling with them. And
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it was funny Diana who is almost seventy, who was
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traveling going to reconnect with her strange father who was
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ninety one at the time, and watching her be with
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her and she was amazing because she was so no nonsense.
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the RV up and have the water running and she
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was like, look, this is my home. And it was
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the inside that was her amazing safe space, and the
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rest of the gadgets she was like, that's for the birds.
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I also learned a lot so personally deep inside your
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soul when you so here's someone make a quote like this,
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it's not about the trip but the destination. What does
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that do to your soul? You know what?
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own individual journeys, and that is we're each on our path.
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bump into one another. You know, I'm bumping into you,
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I'm bumping into Arrow this morning, or we're having like
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a real live experience.
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And then I'll.
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Bump into someone this afternoon, and I'll bump into someone
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at the gas station tomorrow.
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And that's the that's the excitement of the journey.
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And if we if we get too caught up in
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you know, the social media of it, or we get
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too caught up in you know, the politics of it,
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we we missed the forest for the trees. So we
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gotta experience the road and enjoy it.
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Where can people go to find out more about Caro
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Wax Road August.
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First, we're rolling out, you know, in New York and
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Los Angeles, and then rolling out across the country in theater,
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in a theater near everybody immediately thereafter.
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So go see it. Please, thank you for having me.
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Well you come back to this show anytime in the future.
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You're the best. Arrow, Thanks so much.
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Be brilliant today.
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Okay, thanks man,
