'You're Wrong' With Mollie Hemingway and David Harsanyi, Ep. 217: Shane Gillis, Ilhan Omar, And The Texas Senate Race

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Welcome back, everyone, to a new episode of You're Wrong
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with Molly Hemingway, editor-in-chief of The Federalist and David Harsanyi,
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senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as a reminder,
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if you'd like to email the show, please do so
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at radio at thefederalist.com. We'd love to hear from you. Molly,
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did you watch? I mean, I know you didn't. I
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know you didn't watch Saturday Night Live, but did you
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see Shane Gillis's monologue to open the show?
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So I was busy on Saturday night and I never
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would watch Saturday Night Live live anyway anymore. But sometimes
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I try to watch, you know, the highlights the next
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week and I would not. I still haven't had time
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to do that, except that I saw so many people
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losing their minds over Shane Gillis's monologue that I thought
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it must be worth checking out and I did check
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it out and I thought it was, it was fine.
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And I'm actually a little bit confused at why people
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were so upset. Can you explain? Yeah.
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I mean, I, I, I know why they were upset.
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They were upset because he made a couple, or I
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would say three jokes that would not go over well
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with certain kinds of people. The first was, and this
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is the one most people are talking about. And I
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have something to chime in on. First of all, I
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find Shane Gill is generally pretty funny. I watch his
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show Tires. I think that's funny. Just generally think he's
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a funny guy. I didn't really think this was a great,
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really that funny a monologue. It was just meh, right?
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It wasn't like meh.
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It was like, it was fine.
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It was good.
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It was fine. He's done it twice that I've seen
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and he's better than these monologues. I mean, I don't
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know if he's nervous or what's going on, but whatever.
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He made a joke about going to the gym. And
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he said in a much funnier way than I'm about
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to say that he didn't that he hadn't been to
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the gym for a long time and that he didn't
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realize that women were dressed like whores at the gym.
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Those are the words he used. And then he explained
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what they wear. And I have to say, as a
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person who goes to the gym lately, he's right about
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that now. I don't see it. I go to like
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a rec club kind of gym where I'm one of
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the youngest people most of the time. But I've seen
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this women because I'm me. I wouldn't say they dress
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like whores, but they dress very skimpily, would you say,
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or promiscuously? Not a lot on. And people took offense
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at that. Dan Levy, the guy from Schitt's Creek. Yes.
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He said, women wearing short shorts at the gym does
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not make them whores. It makes the men calling them
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whores misogynists. That's the difference.
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First of all, buddy, I wouldn't, like, he's a comedian.
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That guy's a comedian, too. Dan, what's his name? You
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just said. Yeah. So he has a type of humor
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that some people could find quite offensive. And I don't
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really love when comedians are making fun of each other
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or like tone policing each other. But what I don't
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get about this is a lot of women do dress
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quite immodestly, but they don't want to deal with the
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consequences of dressing immodestly. And it's this very weird thing
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that I think makes sense in their own minds. They
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clearly want to be objectified by a particular type of man.
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I think to speak of CNL, do you remember, or SNL,
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do you remember that skit a long time ago where
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it was in an office environment and someone very politely
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asks out a lady in the office and she gets
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very offended and calls HR. And then like literally Tom
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Brady or someone like that comes and is very, completely inappropriate,
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like wearing just tighty-whities and all the women, because he's
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so attractive, act like his offensive behavior isn't offensive at all.
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And I think there's an element of that with women
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dressing immodestly. They're doing this in part, and you can
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wear whatever you want to wear, of course, but you
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signal something with what you're wearing. And they want this
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signal to just go out to some men and not others.
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Or....
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Maybe they're signaling to other women and they haven't thought
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about the fact that men are quite visual creatures and
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are easily distracted by seeing assets on display.
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Well... I notice when one of the people, one of
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the women dressed in this way will walk through like
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the weight area, you know, men don't know what to do.
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They try to look away that, you know, the whole,
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the whole, uh, atmosphere kind of, you feel it in the,
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in the, in the air. Um, I think maybe again, I,
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I'm no expert on this. I feel like maybe they're
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showing off in the sense of like, look, I work
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out a lot and this is what I look like. Um,
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There's nothing really wrong with that. There's nothing even wrong
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in a way with signaling to men that you're interested, right?
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Certain kind of men. But you can't expect, like Shane
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Gillis makes the joke. He's like, I know we're not
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supposed to look, you know? Like, you can't expect that
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no one will look. And I don't know. I just
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don't find it offensive. I found it funny. And I
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don't think anyone really finds it offensive. You know what
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I mean?
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Yeah, I don't really. I'm having a hard time. Well, no,
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I think... It's clear that this was offensive to certain people.
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You might remember that AOC, a few months ago, when
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she was asked about some of the more egregious things
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that were going on with Woke One, or with Wokeism,
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and she said, oh yeah, Woke One was crazy, as
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if we had moved on into like a more modified
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Woke Two or something. I never quite understood what she
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was doing there. But much of the world does still
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live in woke one. And with algorithms feeding people what
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they want to hear, I think there are a lot
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of people who really want to embrace the censorship of
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woke one. And Shane Gillis was fired from SNL and
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he was invited to host the show a couple of
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years ago. I think it was Emily Jashinsky who said
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that she thinks that Lorne Michael does this because He
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doesn't like when corporate forces him to fire someone. So
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like when Norm Macdonald got fired by, by Lorne Michaels boss,
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he brought back Norm Macdonald very quickly to host because
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he doesn't like to be dealing with people who are
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trying to tell him how to run his show. And
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so then he brought Shane Gillis back. He brings him
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back again. I think it's because he likes to rub
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people's face in the fact that he was right to
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pick him for talent on the show. that he likes
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to remind people that Shane Gillis has done just fine
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outside of SNL, sort of further cementing that Lorne Michael
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was good at picking talent. Well, I think there's like
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a twin thing on the other side too, which is
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people thought when they got Shane Gillis canceled, that that
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was a good work that they'd done. And they hate
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to see that good work being blown up in their faces.
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And so they want to keep canceling him so as
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to reassert their power over the situation.
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Yeah, I mean, I think you're right in that sense
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on all those points. But I do also think that
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a lot of people reactively decide that certain topics are
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going to offend them. And if someone made this joke
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in real life to Dan Levy in the real world
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and made a joke about what women were wearing in
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the gym, I just don't think that he'd honestly be
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offended by it. I think it's just more that it's
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in the public sphere. Maybe the word whore upset them.
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There were other things he said.
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It's not a nice word. You know, it's not a
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gentlemanly word to use.
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Well, I mean, he goes on to say that these
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bottoms are neon. He calls it artificial bait colored, which
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is very funny. I like that line. Yeah. And then
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he gets much more specific. He goes, don't look. You're
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not allowed to look. That's what made me laugh, you know,
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that you're not allowed to look. Someone, oh, I wish
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I could give them credit online. So I saw say
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that Shane Gillis has been vaccinated essentially from cancellation. Once
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you try to cancel someone and they survive, like you're
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inoculated from it. There's no way to cancel him now.
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He also, I think people were offended that he called
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his sister, sister's names, called them, quote, fat bitches. It's, yeah,
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I don't know. So listen, listen. I can I can
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concede that maybe his humor is not for everyone. That's true.
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I see comedians. I don't often where I'm like, I
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don't really get this. I don't understand what's supposed to
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be funny here. But anyway, it was it's interesting to see.
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I guess it's interesting to see how 2020 culture doesn't
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and cancellation and tone policing and all things don't work really. anymore,
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because what's really going to happen to Shane Gillis now?
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Nothing like he wanted that reaction. He's going to laugh
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at that reaction. His success will not be at all
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hurt by the reaction of Dan Lieber or whoever else
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is upset by this. You agree with that? Whereas he
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was canceled in 2020 or whenever it was.
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Yeah, he'll do fine. And we'll still have these discussions.
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I don't mind people not liking degrading language for women.
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It's just that those norms don't work if women aren't
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also held to certain standards of modesty in dress. And
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these things have all been thrown out the window. And
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that means that you don't actually get to get upset
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with people for speaking in an ungentlemanly manner about a
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woman wearing very little clothing. But.
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He also dropped the F-bomb, which is an automatic suspension,
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if I remember correctly. Sorry to interrupt.
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Yeah, no, I think he messed that up as well
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because it's live and you're not to do that. What
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I wanted to say was that I do think all
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of this fumbling we've seen recently with the Cornell 7
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and with other... issues dealing with conflict between the sexes,
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we are definitely experiencing more vibrant debate and pushback against
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feminist culture than we've seen in a long time. And
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whoever controls that post-feminist environment, I think that's going to
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be an important thing for the health and happiness of
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both men and women. We need to move past this
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very weird way of treating women as if they are
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identical to men, but somehow above men still. We've seen
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a lot of loneliness between both men and women, a
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lot of sexual activity that is not healthy. By the way,
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another great week for male from people. And it was
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interesting to see such widely divergent takes on Cornell 7,
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including people who thought we weren't hard enough on the
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guys in the Cornell seven case, which did not strike
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me as accurate or people who thought we were not
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dealing with the reality that sex relations have so broken
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down that this type of behavior, some of the only
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ways that young people will experience, like the touch of
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a woman is in very degraded, heavily intoxicated, drugged out
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situations where all the norms can, can like go away.
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But it was still interesting commentary from everybody, whether they
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disagreed with us on one side or the other.
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It was funny because we had back to back emails,
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one where I had specifically said the boys involved in
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this have degraded themselves as well and put in all
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of that. And one person was mad about that. I
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had said that they thought it was a virtue signal.
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And the other person was mad that I wasn't tough
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enough on them. The truth is we don't exactly know
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everything that went on. We do know that these people
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degraded themselves. And by the way, I hate having conversations
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about sex on the podcast. So, of course, we start
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this episode with the same thing. And you have something
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to say, I see.
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OK.
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And I saw this other story about this actress, Amanda Seyfried.
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Is that how you pronounce it? S-E-Y. She says that
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she turns down TV shows all the time that have
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sex scenes. because I don't want to be naked with
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a stranger in public. Um, I'm uncomfortable with it. It's
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not right for me. Um, you know, I don't want
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to be seen naked with a stranger. Uh, that was refreshing.
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Right.
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And I feel like a lot of shows and listen,
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I'm not a prude. I think there is a place
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for sexual content and certain kinds of dramas or comedies
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or whatever. Um, but a lot of times and language,
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trust me, you and I know that I will drop,
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you know, I will drop bad words, um, But the
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thing is, I feel like it really first of all,
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I can't watch. Watch a lot of stuff with my kids,
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you know, because of this stuff. But it's so gratuitous
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and unnecessary so often for the plot, for the enjoyment
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of the show, for anything. It feels like they just
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feel this need to do it. So anyway, I was
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happy to see that because I just I think. I mean,
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actors feel like they can do anything because it's not real,
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but I'm sorry. Physical contact is real. Sexual contact. Relations
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are real, even if they're on screen. When you're kissing someone,
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you're kissing someone. It's not like pretending to shoot them.
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You're you're actually engaged in something. OK, so the next
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topic I have is Ilhan Omar.
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Yes.
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Who had her home raided in Washington. And by Homeland Security,
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I believe also had her home raided in Minnesota. For
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a few hours and they were the cops were there
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for four hours in the early in the early morning.
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Has something to do with their immigration paperwork. Obviously, a
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raid is signed off by by a judge. It's not
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just concocted out of the blue. It doesn't mean that
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it's a good case. I don't really know. We'll see. Anyway, obviously,
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the first thing that comes to our mind is the
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Russia collusion case is the raid on on on Donald
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Trump's home in Florida and the incredible hypocrisy that's gone
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on here. So I don't know where to start. What
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was your reaction?
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Well, I don't like you. I don't know enough about
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the investigation to assess the situation. I. was surprised to
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see a lot of people say this shouldn't be taking
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place so soon before an election. As you know, a
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federal judge had signed off on this in a way
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that I think we know that judges in the U.S.
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today tend to be pretty open to such raids when
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it's targeting a Republican, perhaps less likely to do that.
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in D.C. in particular, when the target is of their
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own political persuasion. But what concerns me is that it
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took this long for the investigation to proceed. There has
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been such credible reporting about immigration fraud, marriage fraud, related
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to Ilhan Omar and her family for years. And it's
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hard to believe that we are under rule of law
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when so many people in the Justice Department just didn't
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care about it at all, as they were going after
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people and things they didn't need to go after at all.
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Immigration fraud and marriage fraud are very serious issues. The
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reporting is related to In some part, it's Ilhan Omar's
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father who mischaracterized, who reportedly mischaracterized the circumstances of their
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immigration situation.
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She was a minor when she first came here.
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She was a minor, but it's certainly being alleged that
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what the U.S. government was told about the circumstances of
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the Omar family's departure from Somalia was different than the
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reality is. Her father was in leadership of a controversial
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political movement there and may have been seeking to avoid
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accountability for his actions in Somalia, but mischaracterized that with
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the United States. To compound this situation, Ilhan Omar, not
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that long ago, There is extremely credible reporting, and I
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wish I could remember the names of the reporters who
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have done such good work on this, showing that she
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was sort of married as a Muslim to one man,
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but not according to the government, but married her brother,
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who is apparently fond of the company of other men,
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so that he could have access to the American system
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and everyone knew it was the brother. And it was
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sort of like a family wide immigration fraud, marriage fraud situation.
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This is serious. She's a member of Congress. There are
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all sorts of other issues in play. You know, people
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have questions about money and finances, and I believe she's
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had multiple marriages to non-family members even. And all of
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that is worthy of, of being looked into, but I'm
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concerned about why it took so long to look into it.
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Well, I read in the New York Times that it
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took a week for the warrant to be issued after
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it was proposed. Usually it happens right away and that
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there was a big debate between the Justice Department and
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the court. Probably the court was worried because it is
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a politician. And honestly, I'm I'm happy that a court
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would be careful about things like that. I wish they
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would have been more careful when it came to what
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was going on with Donald Trump as well, because you
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don't want abuses of power. There's separation of powers here
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and all that. So I get that. But in the end,
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they were issued the warrant, which tells me that there
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is probably something very legitimate there. I mean, that's just
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me guessing. And members of Congress do have immunity for
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for most legislative activities. So it's not breaking the law,
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but they but they are not immune from this sort
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of thing. So. I think it's completely legitimate if she
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really broke the law to go after her. Also. Listen,
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people say, well, no one would be going after her
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if she wasn't in office. It's true, probably, but you
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can't conduct yourselves the way you do and then believe
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that the other side's not going to look into things
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as well. So anyway, we don't know the specifics, so
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I'd wait for that.
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Just again, to go back to DOJ treatment of the situation.
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I read that very long DOJ inspector general report on
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mid-year exam, which was the investigation into Hillary Clinton's quite
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obvious mishandling of classified information and lying to federal authorities
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about it. These are very serious crimes. But if you
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read the IG report, which was done by like that
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total left-wing Barack Obama appointee, I think his name is
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Michael Horowitz. who would always do this thing in his
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IG reports, which would be make everybody involved look bad,
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but then say, but there's nothing we can do about it.
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He was sort of like very good at covering up
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the crimes of his political allies. And this mid-year exam,
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I mean, if I recall correctly, it was like a
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400 page report, just brazen politicization in terms of letting
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Hillary Clinton and other people in her orbit who were
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lying off the hook. And on the grounds that you
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don't want to get involved in prosecuting a pretty clear
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case of mishandling of classified information. And I'll just note,
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she was not president. So it's not like she had
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the presidential rights that they would later go after someone for.
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I understood that you don't want to get involved in
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a presidential election, but you can't run mid-year exam the
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way they did to let her off the hook. At
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the same time, you're running crossfire hurricane where you're fabricating
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a conspiracy theory to undermine your political opponent at the
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very same time. And so the new standard that the
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DOJ has itself implemented and that Congress seems unwilling or
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unable to do anything about is to go after Republicans,
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but let Democrats go. In a world where that's happening now,
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I don't really care about the timing issue with Ilhan
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Omar because it would have the DOJ would have to
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go go after literally. I'm not exaggerating here. Something like
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4000 Democrats in an election point of, you know, at
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a fraught election point to in any way make up
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for what they did at toward Republicans up and down.
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House members are always campaigning. There's no good time to
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go after them. They're in a perpetual campaign mode, you know,
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seeking election every two years. But the report that you
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mentioned by Horowitz, what was really incredible about that was
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that he actually said that Comey had deviated from the
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FBI and Justice Department procedures when handling crimes. Hillary Clinton,
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the investigation, certainly the the endgame of that investigation. But
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then he says that he did not sense any political
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bias as part of Comey's.
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Michael Obama Horowitz would say that he didn't detect any.
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But the point is, like, did he bore into the
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soul of Comey? How does he know if you're deviating
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and abusing power and breaking the rules? You're guilty. It
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doesn't really matter what your motivations were. And it was
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the same excuse Comey gave Hillary. He said, oh, she
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didn't mean to do this. She didn't do it on purpose.
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She didn't do it for political reasons, which is, you know,
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she just doesn't know how to use a computer. I mean,
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it's just ridiculous.
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I like how. They also said Jack Smith. Jack Smith
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is beyond reproach. Nobody could question how unbiased and impartial
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he was when he went after every Republican in the
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universe for the last 25 years. And right after Congress
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has him testify, he shows up at a concert wearing
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like a left wing T-shirt for dummies and. being praised
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by his left-wing colleagues who are all activists. And I
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was like, he's not even pretending he's not, y'all. Like,
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you don't need to lie and say we think the
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Department of Justice is not full of left-wing hacks. Including,
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I mean, a lot of people got fired. A lot
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of people got let go. But more of the bad
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people stayed.
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The Joe, Morning Joe, I remember, said that anyone who
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even questioned the Justice Department or our courts or anything
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else was a traitor, essentially in league with the Russians.
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You know, I think about this differently. I think that
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there's corruption everywhere or can be. And that's why we
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have separation of powers or we're supposed to have institutions
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that matter and people who are principled. Maybe we don't.
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I mean, I don't know. I want to see what
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this case is about. But like you said, I've been
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reading about about Ilhan Omar and what she did to
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fool authorities for her brother and for herself, probably for
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many years. So it's not like this is just something
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concocted out of the blue.
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Oh, and that reminds me of one other thing, which
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is how the media are so incurious about her alleged lawbreaking.
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You do have a couple of independent reporters who did
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the hard work of showing that she was legally married
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to her brother, who was probably gay. while she was
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actually married to the father of her children before she
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divorced him to marry another man who had previously been
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married to a different woman or who left his wife
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for Ilhan Omar. But the media are like, no, nothing
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to see here. If that person has an R by
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their name, they're like digging deep into all the details
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and they're making them sound as horrible as possible. And
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they are also, they also should be very, very embarrassed
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to have not covered Ilhan Omar at the level that
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she deserves. She's a prominent member of Congress with very
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strong ties to Islamist terror supporting groups and individuals. This
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is someone who is worthy of investigation by real journalists.
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Even a, even a corrupt bigot deserves, uh, rule, you know,
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rule of law, but she doesn't deserve anything extra. She, she,
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she should be investigated. Like Ted Luce said in, uh,
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on uh in uh when was it here august 2022
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i don't know why a federal judge approved the search
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warrant for mar-a-lago and neither do you also before a
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grand jury indicts anyone they need evidence searches are a
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way to get evidence get it there's so many good
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quotes out there i think i saw something on the
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federalist some a story is uh digging back into some
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of the uh Quotes from Democrats about the importance of
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rule of law and no one is above the law
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and justice comes for everyone and et cetera, et cetera.
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We'll see. You know, Molly, speaking of media establishment, media
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double standards or media double standards in general, James Tallarico,
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who's missing from the campaign trail in Texas for, was
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it 13 straight days? I think 12. Yeah. Twelve in
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the middle of a highly contested, incredibly important Senate race. Right.
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I think Democrats have won a seat statewide seat in
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Texas since 1994 or something like that. This is huge.
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I mean, the whole Senate probably hinges on this race. Probably.
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Certainly it's one of the most important and barely. Can
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you imagine? Can you imagine what would happen? If a
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Republican was missing from a Senate race and didn't show
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up for 12 days, they would have legions of reporters
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descending all over Texas looking for this person. They would
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be camped out in front of their house. But it's fine.
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You know, no one seems to be very concerned about that. Obviously,
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there were some rumors. I think they're they're wrong about
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where he was. He says he has had the flu.
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I just I know enough politicians and I've seen I'm
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an old guy. I've seen political enough political races to
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know that a flu does not keep a real candidate
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out for 12 days. I just don't buy that for
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a minute. I've never seen that. I can't think of
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a single instance where that has ever happened, where sickness
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has has knocked someone out for that long. And if
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they are knocked out, listen, get the flu. Pop on
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a Zoom. Let everyone know what's going on. Let's see
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where you are. I mean, it's incredible how little transparency
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there was there.
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Whenever President Trump or even like Melania is not seen
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from for 12 hours, the good old.
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You know.
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Amazing reporters at CNN immediately do a, what is the
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White House keeping from us? Donald Trump doesn't have morning activities.
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He clearly is dying or he's getting treatment for mental health.
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So we see how the media pay attention to absences
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when it's someone that they don't like. Yes, it just
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deserves to be said. It is weird. I have a
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literally no idea what was going on, but it's weird
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that in a contested Senate race in a year that
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should go very, very well for Democrats, but will require
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them to work hard in places like Texas for him
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to be missing and then not say anything about it
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until asked, you know, repeatedly by, or until like Ken
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Paxton started applying pressure about it, then claiming, okay, I've
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been gone. Or the campaign says he's been gone because
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he has the flu. Okay. I've had the flu and
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it can knock you out. I mean, it can knock
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you out for a solid week even, but usually by
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day three or four, at the very least you can
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tweet or make an appearance on zoom and say, Hey guys,
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My butt got kicked by this flu. It's very bad.
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You know, I'll be back on the trail fighting for
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Texas in just a few days. Keep up the good work.
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You know, something that the leader of a campaign would do.
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That didn't happen. And you had some people suggest that
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he was receiving inpatient mental health treatment and that maybe
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he was receiving inpatient mental health treatment in Ohio. And
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you had other people like reporting the place and the
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thinking and the sightings and whatever. And the New York
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times worked with the Tallarico campaign to say that they
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reviewed footage. They can't describe it or support their reporting,
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but that he was at home while he was off
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the trail. So we still have no idea what happened.
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He says, He got the flu. He has slightly, slightly
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conflicting stories about how he determined he had the flu,
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but we're not seeing the tenacity. Left-wing media have access
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to people in ways that independent or non-left-wing media do
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not have. And it really is incumbent upon them to
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find out what's going on, get a sense for just what, yeah,
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just what happened. What's, is this guy okay? Is he
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not okay? Does this story check out? Why does it
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seem so weird?
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Um, But well, there was this. Well, I mean, you
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could see it in action. I'm not I'm not a
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fan of Paxton, really. But Wall Street Journal today had
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a piece about him and how he was in Dubai
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in 2024 with someone who a criminal, basically. But they
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literally found video of him and they show the video
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and it's you can't really see. And then they put
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like an arrow and say, there he is. Like they
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went back to some person's iPhone camera. film from 2024
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and found him in another country. But yet I haven't
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seen film of Tallarico in his home or anywhere else. I, that,
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that's a, in the old days, first of all, when
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you're campaigning and you say I'm sick and you're not
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campaigning for 12 days, that would just make you look
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incredibly weak to voters. I just don't think that a
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campaign would allow that to happen. He's a complete woke
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nut job, by the way.
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Um, He said many crazy things. He said, God is non-binary.
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The thing he cared about more than anything is transing
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children that he, you know, he was asked if he
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had a favorite drag queen and he excitedly answered the
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name of the drag queen. He says, um, there are
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six genders. There are, oh, that have that he thinks
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Jesus would want you to violently end the life of
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your unborn child. I mean, like the guy is loony,
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but the media and other Democrats present him as something
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altogether different. I do want to point out, since the
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Wall Street Journal definitely is working to help Tallarico get elected,
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that there is this contingent of sort of like Bush
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world that is clearly hoping that Tallarico defeats Ken Paxton.
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They hate Ken Paxton. And Texas has that issue where
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it was like so Republican that all of the exciting
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fights are between the Republicans in Texas. But voters had
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expressed dissatisfaction with Cornyn for a long time. And establishment
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GOP types, and this is, you know, this is how
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they operate. And I'm not saying it in a bad way, even.
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But if you're an incumbent, they will put a lot
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of money behind you, particularly if they like you or
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you're in leadership. And so every six years, Cornyn would spend,
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you know, five years kind of angering his voting base.
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But the last year he'd be like, no, really, I'm
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a conservative. And he would get what he needed to
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stave off any primary challenge. And the Republican voters of Texas,
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though deeply disappointed in Cornyn year after year, would do
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their duty and vote him in to keep that seat Republican. Well,
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Cornyn spent something like $ 100 million to stave off a
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primary challenge this time. And it didn't work. And he
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had to spend a lot of money and he still
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lost his primary. I mean, he spent like a hundred
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million dollars or something, lost his primary by 20 some points.
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The voters were like, we're just we're just done. You're done,
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John Cornyn. Like everything we care about, you're not a
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good advocate for. And I'm not saying that he's a
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bad guy or a mean guy or anything like that.
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But people were people were truly well and truly disappointed.
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The response of sort of the George W. Bush, John Cornyn,
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Karl Rove wing has been like, well, you're not allowed
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to vote other than what we say. And so we're
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going to burn the whole thing down. And I understand
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that level of pettiness and passion that's common in politics,
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I guess. But I don't think they realize that politics
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is in some sense about alliances. Different people have different interests.
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And you can have different interests than the base, the
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voting population, so long as you don't make it like
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too different, so long as you don't go to war
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with them. And if that world succeeds in electing Tallarico,
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I think that has the potential to blow up the
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entire Republican Party in ways that will not serve the
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John Cornyn, George W. Bush, Karl Rove's of the world
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very well. Does that make sense?
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No, none of that makes any sense. Donald Trump is
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the establishment. Whoever he picks wins. Come up with a
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different word.
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I don't care what your word is. Call it George W. Bush.
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But you guys do care what that word is because
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it makes you still seem like Trump is the dissident
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and without power and the people behind the scenes are
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the establishment who want Cornyn. Okay. Okay. Not one word
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of that, what you just said, ever puts any of
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the onus on Paxson for acting the way he does.
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Do you think he's a good candidate? Do you think
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he acts in a way that makes a lot of
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people uneasy about voting for him? Do you think that
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he is out there making a good case for conservatism?
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Primary voters make mistakes all the time. But here's my
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biggest problem with all this. It shouldn't be the choice.
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There should be a better conservative running against the George W. Bush.
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Oh, my gosh. David, deal with the world.
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I do. I do deal with the world. You cannot
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just let a party go off and have the most
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corrupt people. Hold on.
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Hold on. Yeah. Ken Paxton. I don't know much about
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John Cornyn other than sometimes he or the 24-year-old who
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handled his Twitter account would go to war against me
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for reasons I didn't quite understand. I do know that
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when the Federalists needed help to sue the federal government
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for censoring the Federalists, John Cornyn wasn't there. Mitch McConnell
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wasn't there. But Ken Paxton, who I have every reason
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to believe is a bad husband, was there to help
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me feed my children in a way that John Cornyn wasn't.
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So when you're talking about your principles or whatever, I
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would take Ken Paxton's over John Cornyn's. And he's been
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that way on so many issues I care about, whether
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it's immigration, trans issues, abortion. you know, overreach of federal bureaucracy.
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Ken Paxton delivered the goods in a way that John
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Cornyn unfortunately didn't. Like, he tended to vote well, but
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he was not showing leadership at the level that someone
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with his tremendous assets should have been showing. Now, do
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I think Ken Paxton might be having difficulty running a two-front,
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three-front war against the media, the Bush world, and Democrats? Yeah,
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I think that's probably a tough campaign to run, but
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I All I'm talking about here is that Bush world
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should think about going to war. And you mentioned Donald Trump.
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And so I want to say something about Donald Trump here, too.
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When Donald Trump defeated, had similar battles within the Republican
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Party to win his primary in 2016, it was a
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hard fought and hard won race. And I think he
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thought when he came to Washington, D.C., that he would
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be treated like any other man who had won a
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campaign that difficult. that the Republican Party would unify around him.
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And instead, what he got was full-fledged joining of certain Republicans, senators,
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also some House leaders, with the media and other Democrats
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to run a sabotage of his presidency. And that's what
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I'm saying. This is a sensitive issue. Sometimes you win,
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sometimes you lose. Sometimes your party nominates John McCain or
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Mitt Romney, and you don't really want to vote for them,
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but you do, right? That's what I'm saying. And if
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you blow it up, it's going to hurt. Like there
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are elements of the party that have a lot of
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money and power. And then there are elements of the
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party that have the voters. And the more you crap
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on the voters and blow that up, it's not going
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to work well for the people who need the voters
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to get what they want done.
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Still crapping on the voters. Their primary voters did this,
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not regular Republican. I don't know how this runs with
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every Republican or a state running. But besides that, that's
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the system. I get it. But my problem here is
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that you won't. If Paxson loses, it's because Paxson was
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a bad candidate. He should not lose to this guy, Tallarico,
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who's a nut job because and he's not losing because
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of George W. Bush. He's losing because he's not a
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good candidate. There have been many other candidates. who can
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win across the country, even though the so-called establishments against them.
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Right.
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All over the place.
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And I just feel like you're not living in the
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real world. Like if you are a Mike Rogers, the.
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Real world is he's going to lose. If he loses,
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it will be on him and the people who picked him.
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That's how the real world works. When you pick a
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candidate and that candidate cannot beat a woke kid.
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David, I'm talking about something pretty particular here, and I
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feel like you're not getting it. Let me give you
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another example.
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You keep talking about things that happened 10 years ago now.
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This year, Mike Rogers gets all the help he needs
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to win the nomination to be the Republican Senate candidate.
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This is a guy who... lost two years ago with
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Donald Trump on the ballot. So what does the establishment do?
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Do they say, we can't really afford to waste money
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on a guy who lost two years ago in much better,
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you know, electoral climate? No, they're giving him all the money,
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all the help, all the... And I'm all for it.
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That's great. Mike Rogers is not totally my type of guy,
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but he's certainly a million times better than Abdul El-Sayed. So...
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Great idea, right? You might, you know, you can complain
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about how he was such a weak candidate that he
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lost two years ago and shouldn't even be in the race.
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Or you can like get in there and help. And
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I like to see people getting in there and helping.
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But I think it needs to happen not just for
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people like Mike Rogers, who we all know why D.C.
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likes him, but also for people like Ken Paxton, who
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maybe is not loved by the D.C. types, but is
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favored by the voting base who did nominate him in
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the primary.
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Michigan is not Texas. There's a whole it's a whole
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different ballgame there. And you need different kind of candidates.
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You can run a real conservative candidate who do the
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things that Ken Paxton did in Texas. There's no reason
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for him to be running here. He's running here and
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he gets to run here and he is supported by
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Donald Trump because he kisses Donald Trump's ass.
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Nobody else had the courage to take on the Cornyn beast, right?
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The voters had wanted it for a long time, but
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it was really hard to have the money or the
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means or the ability to do it. So yeah, Ken Paxton,
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maybe not babysitter material, but he had the courage and
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had the principles To get that done. And so that's
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why he's the nominee and why other people weren't. You
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might remember when Barack Obama got that guy out of
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the Illinois race. I was thinking about this because Mike
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Ditka just died. The governor who Barack Obama's campaign like
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sabotaged by.
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Revealing his divorce records.
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Ryan, something Ryan should have run.
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But he decided not to run. And he later said,
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you know, I regret it because if I had run,
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I probably would have won and we would have been
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able to keep Barack Obama out of the White House.
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You got to go with the candidates you have and
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there are consequences for it. And yes, maybe Ken Paxton's
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personal failings with his wife are such that we should
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go with Bush world in electing Tallarica. Maybe.
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Maybe.
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But maybe not.
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This whole case you're making is BS. You have Vance
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out there. You have others like him out there. Who
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say we got it. We have to get rid of
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the Paul Ryan Republicans. We have to get rid of
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the libertarian. We have to get rid of the neoconservatives.
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They want to purge the party of all different kind
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of people.
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Where are you getting all over the place?
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I don't have the quote in front of me. He
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said it. He said those words. In what context?
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In what in what? Like, I would say we don't
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need Mike Rogers type Republicans in a certain context, but
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I wouldn't say it weeks before an election day.
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Right.
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Right. And you have to kind of understand the context.
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And we're talking about a campaign right now where it
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needs to be all hands on deck.
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I'm not talking about that context. If you put a
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gun to my head, I have to vote in Texas.
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I know I'd vote for the Republican because he's a
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lot better in the long run than the Democrat. I'm
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talking about the problem with bad candidates running. And Rogers,
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he's a bad candidate, too, frankly. He's weak. But but
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the point is that primary voters are putting a lot
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of there should be many more competitive races, and there
750
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are a lot of races that shouldn't be this competitive.
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If you had a really strong, normal candidate going in Texas,
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do you think they would have an easier time with Tallarico?
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Let's say Cornyn was a real conservative. Listen, I don't
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like him either. He went along with Chris Murphy on
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the gun law. He is not a good conservative. I
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get it. I get why Texas people were mad. But
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the point is, We keep throwing up this false choice
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where we have to have the George Bush candidate, and
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maybe in Texas that's so, okay, but elsewhere. Or we
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have to have the, you know, Ken Paxton. Like, there
761
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have to be better people out there. This should not
762
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be a competitive race. Michigan should be a competitive race, frankly.
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I have to say, I do wish very strongly that
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we had much better statesmen and leaders throughout the country.
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But I do also suspect that there's almost got to
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be something wrong with you to run for elected office
767
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and like deep in your core.
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I've said that forever. You're mentally ill or you're power
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hungry or there's something wrong with you.
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So I think, you know, we're just going to we're
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going to be seeing a lot of fallible people. But
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I do think at the same time, even though I
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am totally willing to vote on a transactional basis, like
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for a Mike Rogers or a Ken Paxton or someone
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who's not my ideal candidate. I do think we should
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continue to press for better, more moral leadership. And I'm
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hoping that in the next couple of years, that would
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be something that that a lot of people could move toward.
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Like I understand you don't get it a lot, but
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we should still aim for it.
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What ticked me off is that you don't put any
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of the blame on Paxson when he deserves it for
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not being a great candidate. I think from what I've seen,
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he's not a great candidate right now. Like he's not
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invested in the way that he should be in trying
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to win this race. I don't know. I'm not from Texas.
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Maybe I have it wrong. I'm sure emailers will read
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me out for, for, for saying all this, but I
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guess we'll see. I still don't believe and I cannot
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believe I've been around a long time that that Tallarico
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guy can be the senator from the great state of Texas.
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I just refuse to believe that that's going to happen.
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But we shall see. I think people also are slightly confused. Yes,
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Republicans are dominant in Texas, but it's not as red
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as you think. There are a lot of urban centers
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that are very blue. And the kind of Democrat you
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get there are wackadoos. Like you're not getting the Josh
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Shapiro types trying to hold the middle.
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So we argued, you're wrong. I'm sure everyone's going to
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side with you.
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I was doing a special report last night, and one
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of the people I was on with had kind of
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apologized for She said she pushed back against me. I
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didn't actually even notice that. But I was telling her,
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I believe the whole point of being on a panel
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or like discussion is to disagree. Not that the whole
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point is to disagree, but if everyone agrees, it's really
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boring and you don't really get to test the boundaries
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of your position. And I like it when people are
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more comfortable just flat out disagreeing.
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I always wonder, though, like, is it because we know
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each other that we can do that, that we can
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yell at each other like that? Like if I didn't
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really know you and we were just debating that, would
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there be acrimony there? I don't know.
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Oh, I don't know. I wouldn't even bother, probably. But
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I also want to say I have been dealing with
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absolutely painful esprit de escalator or whatever it's called, because
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last night on Special Report, they had a segment. So
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it was about. how Trump had told Ukraine and Russia
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to stop bombing each other's energy facilities. And also was
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trying to make a deal with Russia to release some
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diesel because it's currently like literally $ 7 a gallon here
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in the U S and the usual suspects are very
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upset about it. But, uh, Zelensky had been talking, speaking
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ill of our president, And the president said something about
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how the people of Ukraine need a new president, may
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need a new president. And then on the package, it
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goes to Zelensky saying that's for the people of Ukraine
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to decide and the question I got was not really
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about Zelensky. But what I really wanted to point out
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is that it's really choice of Zelensky to say that
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the people of Ukraine get to decide who's president when
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they canceled elections like three years ago and haven't held
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any sense. And you could say like that's all within
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reason or whatever. But I really wished I'd made that point.
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And I'm sad. I mean, we know why he's not
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having elections. He would face a difficult journey path toward reelection.
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But that's not culture. So I didn't mean to divert
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the topic. Tell us what you're reading or watching, David.
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Oh, no. I don't have anything. I've been working really
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hard on some things. Can I mention though a magazine? Actually,
849
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it's weird. I don't know if you know Tablet, the website.
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I love Tablet. I love it. It's one of my
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few things that I still enjoy reading. Like I used
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to enjoy The New Yorker. And I'm not saying I
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agree with every article or anything, but it's just well-written stuff.
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And I love Armin Rosen. He's one of my favorite
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writers and he's frequently writing there, but go on.
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He's fantastic. Many, many years ago when we were starting
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out at The Federalist and we were looking for writers,
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I kind of like, I kind of tried to get
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him to come over to us. So they are going
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in a different direction. So they have started a magazine.
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Where most magazines become digital, they have actually started a magazine.
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And it is, I can't explain to you, here it is,
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how well done it is. The art in it, I
864
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should mention to people, it's not a Jewish publication, but
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it has a lot of Jewish themes. It's Jewish. Ish. Ish, exactly.
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There's just one feature after the next in here that
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is top notch. The writing is just amazing, but it's just,
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have you seen these magazines lately, like Time Magazine or
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Newsweek or whatever? They've shrunk and it's so, the articles
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are short. It's not, they're not really well done like
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they were when we were young. This is like a
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magazine that you'd pick up when we were younger. It's
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just so deep. So it's like getting a book each
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month I think so anyway I wanted to give them
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props I just I love I love magazines honestly like
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I love I always have loved them since I'm a
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kid and I was sad to see them sort of
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go away and it's nice to see someone uh doing
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such high level work in that realm but that's all
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I have I really I've been It's the end. It's the,
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you know, I'm wrapping up my book this month. So
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that's what I do with all my spare time, other
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than go to the gym and close my eyes when
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mentally clad women walk by.
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David, that reminds me, I had another esprit d'escalator about
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that conversation, which my sister and I have a brother
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and a sister, we're all very close. But my sister
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and I, we've always been kind of distracted by hot women.
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And we have talked about how difficult it must be
890
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to be a man to just have to walk around
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with hot women walking everywhere. Like as girls, we have more,
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we have more ability to be just complimenting women or
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noticing them. Um, I think perhaps because I have the
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mind of a 14 year old boy, I'm more conscious
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of the need for women to dress modestly if they
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are not seeking the Extreme sexual.
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Like, like, like a woman can say to another woman,
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you know, you look, you look great. You look hot, whatever.
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But that's not something a man can say to another woman.
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And I don't, I have to be honest with you.
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I go to the gym. I see some guys my age.
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He's in like super shape. I hate that person with
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all my heart. I'm like, I work so hard. I,
904
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you know, but I would go to an all male gym.
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I don't want to be distracted in the gym. I
906
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want to work and do what I have to do there.
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I'm not there for fun.
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The great lies ever sold to women was that female
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specific spaces are somehow less than. They're awesome. Being just
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with women is so much healthier. And I've experienced this
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with single sex education. Boys are wonderful, but they're also
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very distracting to women and they cause competition. So when
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you're in an all-female space, and I'm sure it works
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the same way with men, when you're in an all-female space,
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it can be really delightful.
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Yeah. If I wanted to start a gym that was
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just for men, that would be legal, right? Would I
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be sued by the government?
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I don't... I don't know.
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Anyway. Anyway. I feel like I sound like a prude,
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but I'm just saying I'm there to work out, not
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there to socialize. You know, maybe men and women meet
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at the gym, right? Hot men and women who are
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in good shape. I don't know.
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I don't know. Maybe. Okay, so my... A family member...
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Sent a like a tick tock with a woman talking about,
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you know, probably some kind of Levitican code for women
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who during their period of uncleanness are supposed to go
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to a separate tent until they are clean and return.
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And the whole tick tock or Instagram, whatever, was about
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this woman being like, oh, yeah, that would be really
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horrible to be able to leave my house clean. And
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just relax for a period of time until I'm ready
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to come back and not have to deal with all
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of the challenges of my house life while also dealing with,
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you know, physical concerns as well. And it just made
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me laugh because we think we're being so advanced for women,
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but we're actually not, including not recognizing, you know, I
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try to tell this to my daughters. We are more
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hormonal than men. Oh, we had a great letter from
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someone about this months ago. Oh, or after the woman
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killed her kids and all that. And she was saying
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that some of the ways people talk about this neglect
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the reality that women genuinely are more hormonal as God
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made us throughout our lives. There's the period of life
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when you're, you know, your body is adjusting to the
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ability to have kids. There's the time while you're pregnant.
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There's the time postpartum. There's your time before you cease
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being able to be pregnant and then, you know, all that.
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It's a constant hormonal fluctuation. And a big part of
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being a woman is learning how to manage that. And
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pretending like women are identical to men does neither sex
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any service.
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We're going to have to reassess what we talk about
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in the coming weeks. There's way too much intra or
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intergender talk.
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Sorry for talking about women with your sensitive ears. OK,
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I have one thing I want to talk about for culture.
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Sorry for going off on all that. No, no. I
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was out in Colorado this past weekend for an event
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and got to stay at the Broadmoor, which is truly
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one of America's greatest hotels.
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Stayed there many times.
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I just love it. And it was unseasonably warm, literally
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in the 80s. The leaves were turning. It was just gorgeous.
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And I already hate living in humid East Coast environments.
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So I was... It was just what I needed was
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to be able to walk around in that beautiful weather.
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And I started reading Crime and Punishment. I'm sure you've
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read it. And you recall my story about when I
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saw The Godfather and then told everybody how great The
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Godfather was.
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Who is this Fyodor Dostoevsky?
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Well, I thought I'd read it already, but. maybe I
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just wrote a paper on it in high school, you know,
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that kind.
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Of Gen X or you did not read the book,
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but you wrote a paper.
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And I'm certainly, you know, it's kind of like familiar
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with the broad contours of the story, but I am
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loving it. I think there may be five or six
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sections that I'm in. I finished two sections.
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I think, and this is, I'm not, I think it's
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one of the, it's one of the greatest novels I've
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ever read, but I do think it's the most accessible
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Dostoevsky novel probably that I know of. I've read a
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few and, But still a fantastic book. I love reading Dostoevsky.
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Sometimes I'll just read a little bit of it. I
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don't know. I've never enjoyed, like, Tolstoy, really. I'm not
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really even a big Dickens person.
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I like Tolstoy, too, but I do think Dostoevsky is
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just on a Bach-like plane.
993
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There's an edge there. He's also a really interesting guy.
994
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I've read a biography of him. If I remembered the name,
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I'd recommend it. I am reading a book. Actually. I
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just thought, I thought about this. I'd picked up really quick.
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It's called the 12 that ruled. It's like a classic
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book on the French revolution. And I'm doing it actually
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connection to revolutionary movements and thinking about something I'm working on. Um,
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just a fantastic book. And it reminds me that I
1001
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am obsessed with buying old books. Like I just have
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piles of old books because the newer books aren't, you know,
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like the newer history books. I just don't. Oftentimes I
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just don't find them as, uh, enriching i guess you.
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Know i don't know i was just telling mark that
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you know we have a small house where we live
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and i was telling him i just i want a
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decent library i mean we have books in different rooms
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and one room that has many books but it's not
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really a library and i really just want a library
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where i can be surrounded by my friends and pull
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them off the shelves them and.
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A secret between you and me. I've lived in this
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house I live in now for five years and the
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leading reason i bought it is because they had built-ins
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downstairs where i could put all my books in one
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one wall and it.
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Is our favorite thing yeah.
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Great if you'd like to email the show please do
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so at radio at the federalist.com As always, we love
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to hear from you and we'll be back next week.
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Until then, be lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray.