'You're Wrong' With Mollie Hemingway And David Harsanyi, Ep. 158: Autopen

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Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong
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with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist and
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David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as
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a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please
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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. Molly,
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let's talk about auto pens or an autopen this week
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the well. I mean, there's been an investigation ongoing, but
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the New York Times, I think, reported that Joe Biden
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and unsurprisingly was not I mean this was kind of
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buried in the story actually, but that Joe Biden was
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not really aware of all the people that he pardoned,
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the massive number of people. I think it was one thousand,
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five hundred on one day, even though I believe there
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were eight thousand or more gardens overall, and Clemency's that
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he gave in the last days of his presidency. I
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think it's a pretty big story. I think it's a
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giant scandal. I don't think we're going to be able
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to do anything about it. What were your what'd you think?
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So this might seem like a really weird way to
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get into this, but back during the the hoax, against
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Brett Kavanaugh. There was this piece written by Ronan Farrow
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and Jane Mayer in The New Yorker. And Jane Mayer
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is someone who's just had like her life's goal to
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be to say horrible things about any member of the
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Supreme Court who's not doing what she would like them
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to do. She's written books against Clarence Thomas, and so
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she jumped on the Kavanaugh hoax fully. And their story
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was about I think it was about something that happened
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in their under in his undergrad years, and I think
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I've read that story like thirty times and I still
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have no idea what they're trying to say. He did
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literally no idea. And I'm not a dummy. I know
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how to understand stories I read, but I do not
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understand what Ronan Pharoh and Jane Mayer were saying about
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the story. And that's what I felt when I was
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reading this New York Times story about the autopen I
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actually didn't understand what they were trying to say, but
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it seemed to me like they were trying to say,
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like the way I interpreted the story was actually Joe
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Biden and his team are in massive legal jeopardy. Over
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how they ran the autopen, and they have no evidence
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to support the claims that he was like fully competent
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in ordering the autopens. And so it was this like
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convoluted story in which there were some admissions that occasionally
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they ran the autopen without his permission, like they would say, oh, what,
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we didn't ask for him to sign off after a
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bunch of edits were made to the list of people
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who were being pardoned or whatnot, which seems like a
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pretty huge admission. But again, I wasn't like a I
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wasn't totally sure what they were trying to do other
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than lay down the like it's not under oath or
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anything like this. But sort of like before Joe Biden
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maybe dies, he could be on record saying that he
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authorized some of what he did at the end of
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his term. Does that make.
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Sense, Yeah, I mean there was a subsequent interview with
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Joe Biden. I believe it was subsequent, and there's actually conflict.
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There's a conflict of what they're saying, and Joe Biden says,
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I don't have the oh yeah, that he made every
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decision on his own. But then there are people on
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record in the New York Times story that say that
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there were broad categories where he simply could not go
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over all the people, even those conflicting things. I mean,
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if there are such broad categories and there's auto pens
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and what's that guy's name is, Zience, Jeff, I think
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sent an email saying that the autopen use was okay approved.
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We don't know if it really was approved. This seems
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like a pretty big scandal to me, and I disagree that.
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I think that he's in any legal jeopardy. Presidents have
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the ability, for instance, to give pardons to classes of
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criminals like J six defendants, for instance, without I just
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don't see how it's such an awesome power given to
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the president in the Constitution. I don't know how it's
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one of the most it's one of the only powers
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that anyone has in government that is not subject to
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sort of the other branches. There's no there's no.
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Really, I disagree with you there. I don't think that
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this is about pardon. I think this is about whether
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there was a grand criminal consnspiracy to hide a president's
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inability to perform the functions of his office from the
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American people. But I do want to defend the pardon here.
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I think that the political process is fine to handle
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abuse of pardons. I do think there has been some
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abuse of pardons, like I first became aware of it
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under Clinton. I'm sure it predates that, but there is
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a political process. You can impeach someone. And yes, if
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you do them on the way out the door, like
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some of these were done the morning of inauguration, right
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right like the day before, well you can still hold
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a political party accountable for that. And there are sometimes
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abuses in our legal system for which there's no easy remedy,
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and a presidential pardon takes care of some of that.
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And so.
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I do think also that there's no need for a
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p You know, George W. Bush didn't use the auto
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pen because he was really worried about the legality of it,
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and I think that was prudent on his part. But
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if you're going to talk about broad categories of pardons,
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if you think that some law had like over punishment
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or something for breaking it, and you pardon everybody who
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was convicted under that sentencing guideline or something, that's going
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to be a broad categorical pardon, and it's you know,
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it's okay to have changes to the category or I
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don't know to quite explain what I'm trying to say.
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As you're deciding who fits under that pardon, you might
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have slight changes. And so that wasn't my problem with
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the New York Times story. My problem was that it
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seemed to be hiding that they had done things without approval,
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and they were trying to explain it away. But it
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didn't work for me how they were trying to explain it.
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Okay, I agree, Setting aside the pardon itself being any
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kind of criminal act, the overall conspiracy to hide and
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cover up the president's mental state and run the country
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though you're not elected to do so, it's problematic. I
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don't know what kind of legal jeopardy those people could
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be in, or how you can really prove something like this.
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Maybe you can, that's fine, but I mean, people the
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media got very pedantic about the autopen use. Right, So
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it's not the impersonal So I mean, it's not the
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like you say, it's not the impersonal nature of the autopen.
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That's the real problem here. Other presidents have used it.
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It's the impersonal nature was used to abuse and tran
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and circumvent the proper authority because only the president can
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give consent for a pardon. I think maybe they should
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get rid of the autopen for pardons. I mean, the
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truth is, if they needed to just grab Biden's hand
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and make him sign eight thousand pardons, they would have
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done that too. You know, it's just was you know,
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it's not the auto pen so much as what's happening
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behind the auto pen. So I think that that's important
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to remember. You remember Jake Tapper, and who's the guy
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who wrote that book with him at the New York
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Times anyway.
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Alex Thompson.
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So they wrote a book about the cover up right
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without naming any names, incredibly and made a lot of money,
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and everyone was just talking about it openly. But it
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hit me as I was reading about this story that
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the cover up's not over. They're still engaged in the
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cover up, as that New York Times soft pedaling story proves.
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And by the way, that was the most aggressive investigation
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of this, right. The NBC News jumped into action immediately,
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not to investigate this perhaps one of the biggest presidential
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scandals in history, but to tell us that James Comer
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was investigating this, so used a digital signature on his
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PDF documents. Now, isn't that the same, Molly. It's just
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the same exact thing, right, Like anyone who works in
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an office knows you have a PDF. And I assume
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that these congressional offers has send out tons of tons
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of letters. You're gonna have to now sci print the letter,
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sign the letter, scan the letter, send the letter. No
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use a digital signature. It's not the same thing as
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someone doing a constitutionally approved pardon. An autopen is a
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different thing.
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Well, hold on even that, you know, leaving aside the
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use of an autopen by a president, The problem again
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is that people aren't sure that President Biden had his
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full faculties during his presidency. So to compare that with
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James Comer who goes on TV every single day to
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talk about how he's subpoenaing this person or that person
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and then saying, oh, but he used a digital signature
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for that subpoena, It's just not the same unless you're
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saying that James Comer, who constantly talks about his subpoena
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and his investigation, isn't aware of his subpoenas at his investigation.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah, exactly, of course, James Comer knows exactly where all
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those letters are going. He's completely in charge of himself.
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By the way, when they interviewed Biden, they didn't ask
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Biden questions. Let's quiz him on some of these pardons
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and sees see what he knows about them in these cases.
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That would be a way to kind of confirm whether
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he was in charge or not, wouldn't it. And no
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one asked him any of those questions when he did
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this interview with The Times. I don't know. I'm pretty
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skeptical we're going to get to the bottom of any
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of this. I mean, a congressional congressional investigation is fine,
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but you're going to need journalists to do their job.
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Well then I will. Actually, I just want to say
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I didn't really think much of this investigation until the
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New York Times ran that story. I know enough from
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the Russia collusion hooks to know they ran that story
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because they're scared. They're very worried, and I do think
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there are people in legal jeopardy. The other thing that
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was interesting about that story is it said that there
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are a bunch of really well known white shoe law
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firms that are providing pro bono legal help to these
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Democrat elites who may be engaged in this criminal conspiracy
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against the American people. And I find that interesting because
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when Democrats were engaged in just wild lawfair to take
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down the entire Republican Party top to bottom and were
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charging everybody within an inch of their life, a lot
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of the people who were charged could not get competent
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legal help to save themselves. And yet these very fancy pants,
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very connected, highest echelons of power DC folks in the
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Biden administration are getting free legal help from white shoe
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law firms. Like that seems sketchy, as I'll get out.
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And I get that Trump and his administration are a
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threat to the permanent DC establishment that has made so
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much money in so many ways off the American taxpayer,
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you know, through like not just the government but all
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of the government funded entities that are in this town.
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But I was like, that's interesting, free legal help for
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the people who maybe conspired against the American people from
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these top law firms.
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For me, the pardons in clemency and preemptive and blanket
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partons he gave political allies on his family or already
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the most corrupt pardons in history I think. I mean,
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there's like maybe Mark rich or there's a one person
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here or there where you can say might be as
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corrupt as one of these pardons. But when you take
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it as a whole, I just don't think anyone has
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done anything of this nature. Indeed, I think his pardons
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of all his political allies has created a mortal hazard
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and precedent that is incredibly dangerous. Donald Trump, any president
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can just now we'll go back ten years, pardon everyone
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in his administration. Nixon could have done this right, and
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then no one will be held accountable for the crimes
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while they're in government. I mean, actually corrupt.
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What bothers me more than anything of all of the pardons.
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For some reason, and I want to remind you, he
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pardoned Liz Cheney for her crimes against the country, But
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it was the pardoning of Anthony Fauci that one, to
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me was the worst. Not his family members who are
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involved in his corrupt family business, but Anthony Fauci, because
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what Anthony Fauci did to the country deserves real accountability.
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And to say to the American people, you're not allowed
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to hold someone accountable for destroying so much, that's just
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oh that's like in public threatening stuff.
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I agree. I mean that the family stuff's just personal corruption.
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The political stuff is much worse. Even Mark Milly who
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admitted on record that he spoke to Chinese generals and
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would undermine the Commander in chief's orders. I mean, these
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things need to be investigated. And now what incentive do
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any people, anyone, does anyone have to actually tell us,
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tell Congress truth or anyone. I mean, it's just it's terrible.
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We're at the worst level we've seen in thirty five years.
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As against my better judgment, Molly, I think that we
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have to mention the Epstein. Yeah, it's a big topic,
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even though I am still I am still somewhat skeptical
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that it matters to the average voter as much as
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we think on what's going on with Twitter and a
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lot of the activists class. I think a lot of
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Trump's fans out there aren't plugged into the internet trust
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him in general, and I don't think they're going to
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care one way or the other. For instance, just quickly,
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I saw a poll the other day. It was a
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monthly poll, I forget, one of the better posters, I guess,
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and it showed no movement after the run bombing. You know,
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it basically was flat, not up, not down. I just
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don't think. I think people like success, and if Trump
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is being successful with what he's doing, I don't think
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it's going to bother them very much. But it's not
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to say that there aren't a lot of people who
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seem to care very much about this.
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And I just before you go into it, I want
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to talk about polls for just one second. Which is
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the top pole recently that was purporting to show that
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never in the history of America has there been like
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a more positive view toward immigration. Yeah, something I don't
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remember what the numbers were, and I was like, I
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don't know who conducted that poll or what they're sampling was,
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and I just know it's not true. You know, I
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have never in my life seen so many people questioning
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mass immigration, particularly mass illegal immigration. You know, in the
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eighties and nineties and oughts and teens, there was a
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lot of just pro immigration sentiment, even as people opposed
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illegal immigration. And to be told that never in the
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history of the country have people been more gung ho
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about mass immigration, I was like, that's just not true,
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or like, you see these even the polling on there
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was no change for Trump before and after the Iran strike.
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I actually think probably a lot of people didn't even
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know about the Iran strike. I know that's weird to hear,
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but I was out in the wild when that happened,
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and nobody was talking about it or even really knowing
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about it. So I'm not shocked if there wouldn't be
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a change. But Poles have routinely shown, for instance, with
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Donald Trump, that he's like underwater with favorability even as
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he keeps getting elected president. And I'm just kind of
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sick of Poles. I don't know how to do that
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digression and go.
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On, no, no, it's fine. I like to talk about
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it for a minute. So I think polling, I don't
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treat it as any sort of scientific number, for sure,
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but I do like to just get a sense of
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what direction are they going in or whatever. So the
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immigration poll I think was complete BS because the question
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is misleading. Is it illegal immigration? Immigration? You know, if
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you're not making distinctions like that, then I'd actually.
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Think David, even if you I can see that. But
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I don't think people are more favorable toward legal immigration
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right now than they've ever been in their history. But
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even that question, I think people are like, I don't
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like what's happening to this country, and I kind of
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see mass legal immigration as being a big part of it.
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But yeah, yeah, I don't know. I know there's a
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lot of that going on in political debates. I think
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that most Americans feel like they have to say they're
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pro immigration because they view it as they are pro
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the idealistic or the ideal of how we're supposed to
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do immigration, assimilation, all of that. It's not always happening.
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That's problematic, I'm sure they admit. So, yeah, I agree
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I don't even you know, I didn't take a deep
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dive in that poll. The favorability number is I sort
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of believe in a sense that, yeah, maybe people don't
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love politicians, but favorability numbers that I've said forever don't
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mean anything. It's a comparison, who do you favor more?
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I think Trump has a group a number that's going
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to stay consistent, and then who are you if you're
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going to put Kamala Harris up against him? It doesn't matter.
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His favorability number could be like twenty and he's still
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going to win the election because no one likes her
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and no one thinks that she knows what she's doing.
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So I don't know that. The favorability polls have always
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seemed ridiculous to me. I know people like to push
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him right all.
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Right, Yeah, okay, sorry, backed it nor favorite topic, Jeff.
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You know what Epstein's favorability is? Uh, listen. I have
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kind of avoided this in general, like it was on
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my radar slightly. So I took, you know, a deeper
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dive and a lot of this you know stuff that's
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going on. I'm not going to pretend that I know
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what's in a file or not. But I think that
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a lot of the MAGA right, it's making a big
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mistake hitching their wagon onto this conspiracy theory that either
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the US government is being you know, is manipulated by
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this guy, or that there's some big client list that's
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going to have all these name on it of people
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who were pedophiles. There's just no evidence for that sort
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of thing. There's been twenty four I could trials already
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civil and criminal about this. They've looked through a lot.
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We have client lists in the sense that we know
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who was on his planes, we have his black book,
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we have was a witness, who's in jail now, all
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these things. I'm not saying that we know everything, but
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the idea that there's going to be these huge bombshells
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or that he's an intel asset, nothing backs that up. Now. Again,
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could be something in there, but nothing that people are saying,
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at least that Tucker was saying or others are backed
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up by facts. We can go through it or not.
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But I don't know what are you thinking now after
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a week ago?
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Oh oh, I don't know. I feel like I'm in a
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very annoying place in between the extremes again, which nobody
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likes people who are in the middle. I am so
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sick of the topic. I understand why people aren't satisfied
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with the answers they've been given, and then I'm also
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annoyed with those same people for not understanding that they
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can't get the answers that they seem to think they
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can get. Like a stop asking the government to settle
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things for you. If you believe, and I do, that
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the FBI and dj are corrupt, why would you be
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acting like the release of files from them is going
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to somehow like settle everything. What do they think are
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in these files? Like, yes, there have been multiple investigations
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of this person, and when you're investigating, you gather information.
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Some of that information, in fact, a large portion of
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the information is probably not real, you know what I mean.
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Like you talk to people and they'll be like, oh, yeah,
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I heard this thing, and I heard that thing. You
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don't get to release files that say like I heard
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Nancy Pelosi was taking money from Jeffrey Epstein or I
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heard Donald Trump was taking money. Like, you don't just
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get to release things because someone said it. That is
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completely anathema to our understanding of rule of law. And
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presumption of innocence, right, And then also like confusion about
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what would be in the files. Let's say there is
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a list of phone numbers from his phone. Does that
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mean that every phone number in his phone was involved
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in the trafficking of young women? No, presumably not, you know,
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maybe no one, maybe, maybe all, maybe some portion. How
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do you divvy that up? Like, where do you think
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a list is. I'm just frustrated with people not understanding
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the limits of what is achievable. Now. Do I think
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that the answers about what he was doing, which was
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trafficking quite a few girls, and not just for himself
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but for other people. Do I think there have been
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sufficient answers? Not at all, But I don't know if
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you can expect to get them this side of heaven.
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Well, well, people want those names so they can go
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out and smear the ones they don't like. The left says, oh,
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Donald Trump was on his plane, Donald Trump knew him.
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The other side says, you know whoever was on that plane?
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And I agree with everything you said. It's really I
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think we spoke about this last week. But you know, investigations,
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you know, they just write down everything everyone tells him.
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Doesn't mean it's true. But all the conspiracy theorists will
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take all those names, cobble together some big conspiracy and
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we're going it's not going to help anyone. But we
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said this too last week. I think the administration, where
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many people in it, are at fault for this. They
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brought this on themselves. You cannot tell people there's a list,
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as Pam Bondi did, and then say there's no list
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and say you misspoke. You know. I do want to
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stress again that Donald Trump, from what I saw, was
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not a big player in this thing. Before the election,
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he said, yeah, if there's something there, we'll release it,
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which is what he said the other day as well,
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there's something pertinent, will release it. I don't think there's
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any there and there, honestly, But to think that this
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is going to now tear apart, you know, maga is
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something else. I mean, it's just not that important issue.
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Now you're telling me, Oh, I get like you don't
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care about pedophiles. Yeah, I do. The guy's dead. There
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was an investigation. What do you want? What do you
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want to happen here?
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I think a there haven't really been twenty something trials
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on it. There have been lawsuits from different women or people, right, Yeah,
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and they said a lot of things. The criminal when
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youre talking about criminal trials there there wasn't even didn't
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he plea out in his Florida situation, there was like
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a deal so he didn't even really.
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He made a deal in two thousand and eight or nine.
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So there hasn't been you know, the proper airing of
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But how do you know that.
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I'm just asking, like everyone always says, well, there's all
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these things, all these things that he did that were
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never prosecuted. Well a lot of that was hearsay too,
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really from one witness for my from what I can
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gather that she could not really back up many of
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the things she said. Now, I think this guy was
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a terrible human being. Obviously, I'm not saying he wasn't terrible,
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but I think people have blown this up into something
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that there's no real evidence that it was. And if
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there is evidence for that, I'd like to see it.
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But I mean, it's hard for me to believe that
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cash Pattel. All these people in the government and maybe
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there's something going on. I don't know, because obviously there
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was some riff, right, but all these people are putting
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their reputations on the line in this way to hide
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what Epstein did. That just doesn't add up for me.
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Okay, I think a lot of this does go back
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to what people call a sweetheart plea deal that he got.
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Like we had a listener write in a note about this,
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and her client her thing was just like normal people
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don't get treated like Epstein got treated in this. He
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was accused by someone of prostituting her fourteen year old daughter,
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and so they do, like they look into it, and
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it turns out that he's doing this with a lot
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of people, and then he gets a plea deal where
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he's immune from federal prosecutor on the trafficking, even though
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there were allegations that the trafficking involved crossing state lines
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and international boundaries and things like that. And this immunity
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from prosecution also resulted in him basically having like not
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the hardest sentence. I think he was in jail like
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one day a week or something, you know, for thirteen months.
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And so her point, I don't remember what the You'll
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get mad at me that I don't know the details,
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and I should know the details if I'm going to
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be talking about it. And I respect and understand that,
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but point being cushy deal immune from federal prosecution, why
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why would you do that? Why would that wouldn't be
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something you or I would get Why did he get it?
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And people think that it was because of his ties
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to very powerful people in the US and abroad. And
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there has always been like a weirdness about how he
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was able to avoid accountability for his trafficking of children.
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And you can say, well, he was sentenced, and by
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the way, I have said it myself, like, I think
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it's weird that everyone gets mad at that sweetheart deal.
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It is the only successful prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein we
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ever saw you. No like he is hard to prosecute.
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He was hard to prosecute, it apparently. And then the
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other issue is that his own attorneys dispute that he
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killed himself. I think I told you about the time
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that I got all the angry mail because I said
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I had seen no evidence that he hadn't killed himself.
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But his own attorneys say that they don't buy that
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he committed suicide. And so there's that additional air of
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like he was killed rather than to have some of
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the things come to light. But as you note, it's
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very speculative without a lot of substance to back it up.
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Well, the sweetheart deal, this is speculation by me a
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lot of times very rich people who are powerful people,
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And it's no doubt that he knew a lot of
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rich and powerful people himself our heart to prosecute because
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they can get an army of the best lawyers on earth,
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and a lot of times the government will plea those
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deals out because they fear that they won't get any
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guilty plea in the end, which happens in high profile
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cases relatively often. Actually, that could have been the reason
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for it, and it could have been that he made
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calls to people he knew. There's no doubt of it.
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I'm certainly not saying you didn't have powerful friends. But
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people take that and they go into weird, weird places where,
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in essence, they seem to believe that this guy had
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a honey pot, you know, honey trout, whatever it's called,
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thing going on where everyone on his phone and everyone
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he knew was being blackmailed. And essentially he's running the
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US government, and a lot of people, you know, in
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certain factions of the right, think that another country was
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helping him do that, which makes zero sense or there's
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zero evidence for I just think you're when you're get
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so deep into something, you start convincing yourself it has
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to be true because there are unanswered questions. You think
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that the answer has to be something completely dramatic and conspiratorial,
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when that is not the case. If we release the files,
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like you said, do you think that's going to help
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anyone in this regard. No, they're going to take every
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name there and they're going to come up with massive,
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bigger conspiracies. There's no ending it. And if they don't
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release it, and by the way, if they do really
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see and there's nothing there, they're just going to say, oh,
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the FBI lies and they're not releasing all them. There's
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no way you can playcate or modify this faction.
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Did you read the Dershwitz piece in the Wall Street Journal? Okay, So,
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Alan Dershwitz was a longtime acquaintance and attorney for Jeffrey Epstein.
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He himself was falsely accused of engaging in the sex trafficking,
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and he won his suit against the person who falsely
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accused him of that or something like. Somehow there was
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a settlement where he won the day. He was very
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blaciferous about it. He's like, I have had sex with
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one person my entire life. It's my wife. I've never
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done anything, you know. Like, he was very non loyally
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in his denial of the claims, and he ended up
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winning the day. So he goes through all of the
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different conspiracy theory angles that people have about Jeffrey Epstein
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and kind of dismisses them, like, for instance, that there
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were you know, a lot of people think there must
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have been a black mail operation going on because of
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his closeness to powerful people and how he was able
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to kind of skirt getting in trouble for it. And
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one of the pieces of evidence they have for that
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is that there were cameras in his house. Dershowitz says
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the cameras were actually in the public areas of his
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Palm Beach home, and maybe there was one in a bedroom,
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but that was because something had been stolen from there
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or something. I don't know. But he said this other
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thing which matches with what I think. So I do
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think Jeffrey Epstein killed himself, but or I have no reason,
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I have no evidence to support that he didn't right,
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And Dershowitz says that too. He says, I believe he
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killed himself, but I do wonder if he didn't have help.
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And the and the information he gives for why he
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00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:11.599
thinks he had help was the video, the tampering with
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the video, evidence of the of the jail, the both
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guards claiming they fell asleep, the transfer of his cellmate
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before the suicide, and there was one other thing, but
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I forget what it is. And so I do think
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that that maybe this very wealthy man somehow made it
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so that he could kill himself under favorable circumstances, right
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being suspicious when the bureau presents a the Department of
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Justice says, we saw nothing wrong, and you're.
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Like, well, I want to make this clear. So I
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want to make this clear on the record, just so
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that when people write me emails or attack on Twitter,
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I'm I don't think that it's crazy to have suspicions
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about certain things here or to want questions answered. In fact,
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I would like all those questions answered myself. Did he
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kill himself? I don't know. Did they tamper with the
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video because there's one minute missing that supposedly always I'd
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like answers to that more clarity on what happened that
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night in the jail. Also, it is not beyond comprehension
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that a very rich person might bribe some people to
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get him, you know, to be able to commit suicide
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because he doesn't want to be subjected to this prosecution.
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He doesn't want to go to jail and all that stuff,
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for sure, But it's the other stuff, you know, and
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keep bringing him up, you know, I just have such
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a disdain for him now. But Tucker Carlson says he
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knows that Epstein was a foreign you know, we know
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what country's talking about intellivision. Well, Dershowitz says that it
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is not there's no real evidence for that. So I
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think people use this case to kind of pedal the
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paranoia they have about certain people that bothers me, not
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that people have legitimate cure. I have curiosity about what
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happened to Epstein, but I think that the most obvious
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thing is that he maybe gave someone money so he
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could kill himself and not subject himself to this sort
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of thing. Why didn't he trade in on his intel?
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You know, if he really had all this blackmail and everyone,
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why was he even going to be prosecuted. Why was
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he in jail? Why didn't Biden really he did?
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Maybe that's how he got the sweetheart prosecution.
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Deal in two thousand and eight.
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Yeah, and maybe I don't know. There was something about
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the intel angle, Oh, I believe so. Dershowitz mentions this
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in his Wall Street Journal piece on Epstein. He says
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he would have known if he was working for any
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intel agency, which I'm not sure is entirely true. Thing
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to say, Like one of the marks of being an
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intel asset is sometimes you don't tell people that, right
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or yeah, I actually just don't think that that's true.
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That you would definitely know if he were, you.
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Would definitely not know. But it seemed very likely that
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if you're in a lot of trouble, or real trouble,
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and that you could be in jail for a very
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long time and you have a lawyer who can't divulge anything,
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that you would tell him some of your connections to
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an intel agency.
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Maybe yeah, or maybe he had I don't know. And
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then he says he thinks that this rumor got going
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because Galaine Maxwell, his partner in crime, her dad was
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a massad agent, and I do think that's partly why
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people say it. I just wish people would understand that
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saying that the dad is a MASSAD agent was a
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MASSAD agent, is not the same thing as saying that
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he's that Jeffrey Epstein is an asset of a particular
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intel agency. Well, first of all, it's also true that
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Jeffrey Epstein reportedly, like there is someone who says this
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on the record, but who knows because it's hearsay, right,
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that he told people that he was a CIA asset,
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and that there were certain things that had substantiated that
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there was there was like a weirdness about like things
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he could do that seemed like trafficking a weapon or
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something like that that people wondered how he was able
619
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to do stuff. But again, that is not the same
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thing as saying we have evidence that he is an
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intel asset of this country or that country, or this
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entity or that entity. Like it's not the craziest thing
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to think someone like that who traffics in those circles,
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who traffics women who you know, like, it's not crazy
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you think he might be selling information. But that's not
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the same thing as saying you have evidence that he's
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selling information, and I wish people would go more for evidence.
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Can I go through some of these so? Yes, absolutely,
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I would not be surprised if he approached some intel
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agency selling something or not. He obviously fashioned himself some
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kind of like James Bond type or something, because there
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are stories. But this idea that Galaena is if that'
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say pronouna Maxwell would follow in her dad's footsteps is
634
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nonsense because there's zero proof Robert Maxwell was a most
635
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spy to begin with. Everyone keeps repeating like it's a fact.
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Would say that too.
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She said there was credible, some credible evidence, but he's wrong. Sorry.
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There was one book written by Seymour Hirsch that says
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that Maxwell was a spy. He was a big British
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media mogul. I guess that claim came from a guy
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named Ari Ben Minasha, who was found out to be
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a con man who never worked for Mozart. He was
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a fire translator for the Ideaf. There is no other
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person who's ever said that Maxwell was openly pro Israel,
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did all kinds of things for Israel. Leaders showed up
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at his funeral. State leaders from Israel. If you have
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a big spy, you're not hanging out with him and
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celebrating him and inviting him to Israel. This is just
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not true. But even if that were true, his daughter
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was just a party girl. She met Epstein long after
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Robert Maxwell was dead. The idea that that makes her
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a spy or him a spy is ridiculous. And the
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Acosta stuff, I don't know his first name. I'm sorry, Alex,
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Alex he was, he was the attorney made the deal.
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The other day, Megan Kelly said that he's on the
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record saying Epstein was an Intel agent, right and told
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to get rid of the prosecution. This was from one
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Daily Beast story from twenty nineteen. Hearsay third hand hearsay
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under oath, I believe Acosta said it wasn't true. Now, listen,
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you could be lying, and maybe someone told him that.
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But even if someone didn't, wait.
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You said, under oath, you believe he said it wasn't
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true because I looked up in exactly what you just said, right,
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Megan Kelly says he's on the record. So I was like, Okay,
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where's he on the record? And I looked it up
666
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and as you note, he's not on the record. It's
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a third hand hearsay that supposedly he said this to
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the Trump people. But then I did see also an
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interview where he was asked about it. He didn't say
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it wasn't true, like this was just a c Span interview.
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It wasn't under oath. He didn't say it wasn't true.
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He just said I would urge people not to believe
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everything they hear. And I was like, okay, I don't,
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but I wouldn't care a little bit. More like.
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I thought he was in front of Congress doing something.
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But maybe right if I'm if I misspoke there, sorry,
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but he has never confirmed this. Let's say it. Put
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it that way. Certainly, he's not on the record, it's
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doing it, saying it, And just because he heard it
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from someone doesn't make it true. Wouldn't make it definitively
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true anyway. I mean, what I'm saying is this is tenuous.
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But moreover, the third one just to say is that
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people note that he had this big relationship with Ahud Barak,
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who was a former Prime Minister of Israel. Well, again,
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the former prime Minister Israel would not be hanging out
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publicly with a super asset deeply embedded in the American government.
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That's just crazy. But moreover, Epstein invested in his startup.
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He's a Barack was a you know, rich guy who
689
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had some kind of tech startup homeland security stuff, and
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he invested and they knew each other. They met in
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Harvard where Epstein it was a big donor. People think
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that this is how MOSAT operates, that they're just openly
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sending the Prime Minister to hang out with one of
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their assets. It's so dumb. It's you know, listen, maybe
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I'll be proven wrong, but on the on the from
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what we know, this is very dumb. And by the way,
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Epstein went to Saudi Arabia all the time. He knew
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royalty there. No one ever talks about him being a
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Saudi asset. He knew the what's that guy's name, the princes.
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But didn't he do business with Adam Kogi?
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Yeah he did. Well. My point is this that the
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guy obviously was involved in a lot of things around
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the world, and you know, and that sparks these conspiracies,
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but there's really no evidence that he was some kind
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of spy.
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Now, do you want to point out that who himself
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requested an investigation into Epstein's ties to the former prime minister. Right, Yeah,
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it's not crazy to be like, oh, these people are connected.
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When net Yan who's also it, what's he saying?
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He's saying there's criminality there. I don't think he's saying
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Natagnyao would know if Epstein was a part of a
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Mosad spy operation, and he would not bring attention to it.
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Do you think he would?
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I wish people, I wish our intel agencies would have
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done a better and invested law enforcement agencies would have
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done a better job of handling this top to bottom.
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And I think that the Trump administration has really done
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a poor job here. I also think that Trump said
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this thing that was interesting to me, where he was like,
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why would you expect you know, the people who were
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running the CIA and the FBI during all of this
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were like Komey and Brennan and Clapper or whatever, like
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why would you expect them to have accurate reporting on this?
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And I just want to reiterate that, like, stop expecting
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our federal agency to be able to answer all of
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your problems. In fact, just stop asking or expecting the
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government in general to handle all your problems, whether it's
728
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the courts or the Supreme court or agencies, like, yes,
729
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they do have some responsibility here, although a lot of
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what Epstein was accused of was more of the local variety,
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like even the Acosta thing. People get mad at me
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for defending him, you know, on this stuff, because and
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I do understand the critiques of his of the plea
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deal he agreed to, but he had said at the
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time that he stepped in in part because the local
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authorities were about to just basically brush it under the carpet,
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and so if he, as a US attorney kind of
738
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stepped in to have some accountability, like that's better than
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none that he would get at the local level. Having
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said that, still, rape tends to be a local crime
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that you prosecute as a local crime, not a federal crime.
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And so.
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If you're going to get mad at government agencies, don't
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just get mad at the federal government, but also the
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state and local authorities too.
746
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Yeah, but none of the people are going to write
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us angry emails about this or care about that anymore.
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And they're just so obsessed with this thing that it,
749
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I don't know, it's just weird to me how conspiratorial
750
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everyone has become out there, And just think they're captured
751
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by drama that isn't real.
752
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It is real that this man trafficked young women. That's
753
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totally real.
754
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For sure, but that's not the mean I mean. I'll
755
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give you an example. Massy House member Massey sent out
756
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a tweet that said, we need to know, you know,
757
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all the corruption and crimes that we're here. That's why
758
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we need to know the files. I meaning he knows
759
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already that these files are going to prove things about
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powerful people and stuff. It's not no one's like, we
761
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need to see this because you know, we need to
762
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know if there's more. They know there's more. Everyone knows
763
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there's something big there when they're talking about it. They
764
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just need it proven so their preconceived notions will be upheld.
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And I think that's a problem when you approach something
766
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that way when there might not be anything more and
767
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more there.
768
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Well, you mentioned this point about again the costa deal,
769
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that understanding that this guy had a lot of money
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and could fight whatever charges were there. I actually think
771
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that's the real issue here. People are really sick of
772
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how there are that were not you know, ruled by law,
773
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but by men that if you are in a certain
774
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class of people you can get away with murder, and
775
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if you're in a different class, you can get totally squashed.
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And so this Epstein thing is a proxy for that
777
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very real frustration that people have. But it's also a
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way to avoid fixing the problem. You know, like if
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you're focused on this and not on different standards of
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rule of law or how like, if the federal government
781
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comes out after you, as a normal person, your life
782
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is over. But if you're wealthy, then you might get
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out of it. You know, there are ways, there are
784
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many ways to handle that. In addition to just yelling
785
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about Epstein, there's always instead of yelling about Epstein, I.
786
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Get that anger. I mean, rich people, wealthy, powerful people
787
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get away with it a lot more than a normal
788
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person just want to whine about something. Right now, did
789
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you watch the USA conference stuff?
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I don't watch the whole conference, but I did watch
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the debate between Josh Hammer and Dave Smith, moderated by
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Charlie Kirk.
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Yeah. The way that there's this the way the TPUSA,
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for instance, just allows anti u Isral people, but in
795
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my view, anti Semitic people to participate. It is gross. Now.
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I think Josh, from what I saw, decimated Dave Smith,
797
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but I thought that Douglas Murray decimated Dave Smith, who
798
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knows he's an ignoramus on this topic. My problem is
799
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that we lift these people up into perch them into
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positions of prominence when they don't deserve it. They don't
801
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know anything about the topic. All they do is they
802
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have these credulous numbskulls who follow them, who like to
803
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hear that the blood libels they spread, and they put
804
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them up there. So I think it's problematic. Also, Tucker
805
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gave this ridiculous speech. I keep talking about him because
806
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I guess he's the leader of that faction. In a way,
807
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today or Thursday is going to have on that Hitler
808
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:43.599
apologist to explain the Epstein files. It's completely normal, right anyway,
809
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So yeah, Josh did a great job because Josh knows
810
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what he's talking about, and Dave Smith did a terrible
811
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job because he doesn't know what he's talking about. It's
812
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all emotional stuff. But anyway, it's just really off putting
813
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that these people are lifted by the right and it's
814
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completely alienating to me, at least, not that anyone can.
815
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So yeah, I disagree. I thought it was a really
816
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well done discussion, like, really really well done. I was
817
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impressed with how Charlie Kirk handled it and even that
818
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it was discussed. I am much more open to debate
819
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on these things than you are. Like We've discussed this
820
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for years about whether you should engage with people you
821
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know of the Dave Smith variety or not, and I've
822
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even gone back and forth on it a bit myself.
823
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But I think this was a really useful, worthwhile discussion,
824
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and I actually liked I liked it all. I thought
825
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it was much better than the awful Joe Rogan one
826
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between Dave Smith and what was that guy's name again?
827
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His name's Douglas Murray. Oh.
828
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I agreed with Douglas Murray, and I still just felt
829
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like he had a very like punishable thing about him.
830
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Let me ask you something. If you debated someone and
831
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you were coming on a show what Joe Rogan has
832
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:05.159
on all kinds of Candice Owen whoever is on that
833
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:08.039
show alone and debates him. But you show up and
834
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all of a sudden there's another person in ignoring Himus
835
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who's there too, So you're not having an interview anymore.
836
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You have to debate two people. Does that seem normal
837
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:20.679
to you. Why doesn't Joe Rogan have an antie when
838
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he has on that fake historian hitler apologist. Why doesn't
839
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he have a second person on there to grill him.
840
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:29.119
You just asked me a question, and I'd like to
841
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answer it, which is, I'm quite used to this. I
842
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:37.920
am frequently debating three or four people on TV and
843
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not even expecting to have a debate when I show up,
844
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and then finding out that I'm like outnumbered quite a bit.
845
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And I think you just can handle it without being
846
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smug and condescending. And I just said I tended to
847
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agree with that guy, Douglas Murray on his discussion of
848
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:58.119
Israel versus Hamas, but I just didn't think he handled
849
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it well, whereas I thought Josh Hammer did handle it
850
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:04.440
very well, including just by treating it like he'd said
851
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:06.599
at one point something you just said, which is like,
852
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:09.400
I don't think this guy should even be here. But
853
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he kind of got over that and just focused more
854
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:15.639
on his arguments, and I thought that was good and
855
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:22.880
much more persuasive to a younger crowd than like, much
856
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:26.639
more persuasive and compelling to a younger crowd than just
857
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:29.159
being like you have to you have to accept what
858
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:31.119
I'm saying, and I'm going to be smug about it
859
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like it was. Also, I thought Charlie Kirk did a
860
00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:40.440
great job of asking tough questions of each person and
861
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:46.960
eliciting interesting responses and even like some concessions, not concessions,
862
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:51.760
but like Dave Smith was, who's uh. I did not
863
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:56.440
realize he's Jewish himself, but clearly very what do you mean?
864
00:48:56.480 --> 00:48:57.280
So he says, I.
865
00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:58.920
Don't know that he's Jewish or not. And also it's
866
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:02.679
irrelevant being Jewish. There are self hating Jews all over
867
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:05.559
the place. There were coppos in concentration cams, and so,
868
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:07.880
I mean, it's always bringing it up like it matters.
869
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.840
I mean, we're split brending blood, libels against people and
870
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:13.440
lying and you don't know what you're talking about. And
871
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.599
then you say, oh, I'm Jewish. I don't know anything
872
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:18.239
about him. It doesn't even matter anyway. I'm sorry, And
873
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:19.360
that's just me being angry.
874
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:21.559
I don't know. I've like one of the things that
875
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:24.840
Charlie Kirk asked him to do was to condemn October seventh,
876
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:27.480
and he did, which definitely did not come through in
877
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:30.400
the Joe Rogan interview, you know, and so it was
878
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:35.119
digging a little deeper and for a very short debate
879
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:38.079
or discussion, and I thought it was great, and I thought, again,
880
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:39.880
Josh Hammer was much more effective.
881
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:43.639
Can I ask you a question? Yeah, So why is
882
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:47.840
Dave Smith there? Like what credential does he have? Or
883
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:50.159
what like has he done or what book has he written?
884
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:52.280
Or what has he done to deserve to be up
885
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.480
on that stage other than having a lot of followers?
886
00:49:56.639 --> 00:49:59.920
I don't know if I even like, what are you?
887
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:04.920
My point is his potentials over He doesn't have any credentials,
888
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:08.039
and he doesn't never written anything important, He's never said
889
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:10.280
anything new. He has a lot of followers. He's up
890
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:13.960
there because he says disgusting things that people anti Semites
891
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:16.440
mostly like, so he's up there. So if there's a
892
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:19.480
Holocaust denier who has two million followers, should he be
893
00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:21.639
up there? I mean, what gets you on the stage
894
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:22.559
at TPUSA.
895
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:25.679
I think this gets to why I thought Josh did
896
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:29.639
a better job than Doug Murray, Like you can wish
897
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:37.320
this warranted debate about American relationship with Israel or Israel's
898
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.639
handling of Hamas, but it is. And so if you're
899
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:45.159
gonna if you're gonna, like if you can either acknowledge
900
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:47.440
that there are a lot of people, particularly young people,
901
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:52.079
who don't support Israel's approach with Hamas post October seventh,
902
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:56.440
or like, to me, it's just better to recognize that
903
00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:59.920
there are some problems there, recognize that unfortunately the problem
904
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:05.320
side has had quite a bit of growth in the
905
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:08.320
last couple of years, and engage it head on, or
906
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:10.480
just sort of wish that they weren't there and say,
907
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:12.599
these people don't have a right to talk about it,
908
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:14.440
or they don't have the experience to talk about it,
909
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:18.639
or the credentials. Like Dave Smith has talked about it,
910
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:21.599
he's willing to do a debate. There probably aren't that
911
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:23.639
many people who are willing to do a debate this
912
00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:27.719
way on either side, to be honest, and so it's
913
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:33.280
edifying to the people gathered to hear what the sides
914
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:34.880
are and make their own decision.
915
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:38.760
I think, well, there are plenty of people out there
916
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:44.719
who are critics of Israel, who know about this issue deeply,
917
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:47.400
who would debate it. I'm sure you don't have to.
918
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:49.480
But so there's no real answer other than Dave Smith
919
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:51.079
has a lot of followers.
920
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:53.440
Well, I'm trying to think, like if I don't organize events,
921
00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:55.599
but if I were organizing an event for young people,
922
00:51:55.800 --> 00:52:00.719
I would probably pick someone like him because he's a
923
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:04.639
representative of his side that can communicate with young people.
924
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And they were both well chosen for that. I mean,
925
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they did get a little fiery and hot with each other,
926
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but Kirk kind of kept it, kept it civil and
927
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:18.000
worked very hard to keep it civil and also bring
928
00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:21.880
out where the underlying disagreements were, and I thought it
929
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was very worthwhile, Like I hope. I think there's a
930
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:33.280
problem with young people on the right of not just
931
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:37.400
opposition to Israel, which is a totally legitimate thing to
932
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:42.880
feel or believe, but actual like growing anti Semitism, and
933
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:45.159
I think it has to be addressed head on. And
934
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Kirk did a good job of that too, calling on
935
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Dave Smith to repudiate what some of his fans have
936
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:54.920
done in terms of jew hatred and stuff like that,
937
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and he did and I thought that was good too.
938
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:00.719
I think it's completely empty. And also he plays foot
939
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:03.679
seat Kirk with these people quite often.
940
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Do you actually watch the debate, and I think it
941
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would about Kirk.
942
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:13.400
No, I he's been I've heard him in other situations
943
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:18.159
defending Israel incredibly passionate way, in an incredibly smart way.
944
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:21.840
There's also a point is yeah and Antisemet. I don't
945
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think he's an anti semit at all, but it bothers
946
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:26.679
me that Listen, there are a lot of other issues.
947
00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:31.039
Young people believe in socialism, they love socialism and that too.
948
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:34.039
Sure did they did they do a debate on did
949
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:37.360
they bring in someone who's pro gender affirming care? I
950
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.639
mean Dave Smith? And you keep saying young people are
951
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:42.000
anti Israel. I don't know that that's true. Do you
952
00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:45.400
have any real polling to show that young conservatives have
953
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turned against Israel just because you've met a few that said,
954
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I didn't say that.
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I said there's a growing problem with anti semitism there.
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I do think that's a problem, and I do think
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it needs to be addressed. And so I just thought
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it was great that Kirk did them.
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We need more gatekeeping. And people get so mad when
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you say that, but there's gatekeeping all the time. You
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don't invite people to a federalist conference who have or
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crazy right or have anti Semitic positions. This idea that
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we have to like engage every person who has a
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Twitter following, no matter how uneducated they are on a topic,
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just because they're saying things that drive anti semits to
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their sites. I think it's a big problem. I don't
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know how to I don't know how to fix it.
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In fact, I think the very bad things are coming
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down the pike.
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But anyway, it's just you're negative today.
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You called me an old man before we got on here,
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right because I am pretty old. Well, I couldn't go
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pretty cranky.
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I couldn't get my computer to work. So I'll see
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your old man and raise you with boom.
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Are we done?
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Yeah?
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Okay, let's talk about culture. Okay, I don't have much.
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Did you have anything?
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I've seen absolutely nothing. I did find a new old
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band that I like. It's so weird. I don't like
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American pop music, but I love French pop music. I
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don't know if it's pop. I don't even know what
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this genre is, but it's kid Franciscoli.
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Never heard of it.
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And it's I think a French duo, but maybe it's
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just one guy. And there's this song called Moon and
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it went like and I just love it. And then
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there was another song that he did. I think it's
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called blow Up, and it has a beautiful film that
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goes with it, like old school video, but a great film.
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So I've been listening to that while I write.
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No, that's it, that's it.
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Sorry, we'll look it up.
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No, it's okay. I don't have much. I while I
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was on vacation the other week, I watched I rewatched
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as I was waiting for people to do things. I
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started rewatching the Godfather movies, so I'm like, you know what,
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I should watch the third one. I haven't seen it
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since it came out, and there's a recut version by
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Francis Ford Coppola called Coda. I think it's called Godfather Coda,
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and I watched it. Andy Garcia is great in it.
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I think you know, Sunny's bastard child. But I have
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to say, and I'd like to be contrarian on these
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sorts of things, but it is not a good movie.
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The Sofia Coppola acting is so off putting that is
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almost unwatchable. The scenes with her, I didn't know if
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people know or you know, and you may that win
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on a. Ryder was initially in that role, but she
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had some kind of nervous breakdown and they had to
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bring in Francis Ford Coppola's daughter, who I think is
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actually a very good director, but as an actress she
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00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:57.480
needs she has a lot to be desired. The story
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is very dumb about the Vatican and everything, and it's
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00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:03.079
just it's not a good movie, sadly, even the recut version.
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I have a slightly different take on that, which I
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haven't seen in a while. But Godfather one and Godfather
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00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:15.039
two are so brilliant that Godfather three is a little
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bit unfairly criticized. I'm not going to say it's a
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great movie, but I think that it's just so much
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worse than one and two that it gets more hate
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than it deserves.
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I think that's probably fair. The expectations, obviously would be
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incredibly high for a movie like that, but and maybe
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it's because I've read about it so much, but it
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00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:38.639
feels like someone making a movie for money, you know
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what I mean. It feels like we don't really have
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a story here. It ended so perfectly in the second one.
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I did want to quickly do I've been reading a
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lot of books, so I quickly want to go through
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what I'm reading. I'm reading a novel called The Maniac
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by Benjamin Labatut. It's called it's about basically theoretic physicists
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00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:03.760
going crazy. It's a novel. Now I'm not saying it's
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for everyone, but I am loving this book. I wish
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I could credit the person on Twitter who recommended it,
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but I can't. I read the book When the Going Was.
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You can't because you don't remember their name, or I.
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Don't remember yeah, yeah, no, no no, I don't remember
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who did it. I wish I could give them credit.
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When the When the Going Was Good by Graydon Carter,
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who was like the editor of Vanity Fair I believe
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for many years and Spy Magazine, which I liked when
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I was young, And if you ever read it, he's
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just like name dropping left and right. It's very funny.
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I don't know if you're into that sort of thing.
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I like to read books about by you know, newspaper
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editors or you know magazine editors. And then The Genius Myth,
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A Curious History, We Have a Dangerous Idea by Helen Lewis.
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I think she's a writer for the Atlantic, and it
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00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:52.840
just kind of I haven't read I've just started this one.
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It's kind of interesting. Debunking the idea of genius. I
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felt like I needed to give more material the culture section,
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so I went into my phones library. These are the
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books I'm reading right now.
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So since you mentioned books, I can mention a couple
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of books I've been reading by Alexander Bickell. I can't
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remember his first name, but Bickell is the last name.
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And he was this Gale law prof constitutional law prof
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who was very influential about the Supreme Court. So the
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books are the Supreme Court and the Idea of Progress,
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and the other one is the least Dangerous Branch. He's
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written more than that, but that's what I've been reading,
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and it kind of goes into what the role of
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the court is and whether it should be more whether
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it should be restrained against so like whether when Congress
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passes law what they should be doing, they rule it
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unconstitutional or what they shouldn't be doing. It's something that
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01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:08.199
was interesting that used to be considered a progressive idea
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when FDR was pushing through all of his stuff about
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01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:16.519
the New Deal and the Supreme Court was ruling it unconstitutional.
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01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:19.519
It was this idea that you should just basically let
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01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:22.280
Congress do what it wants to do and be much
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01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:26.199
more limited in how you rule against it. And then
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01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:29.920
once the progressives got complete control of the court and
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they got frustrated with the pace of change in what
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01:00:34.639 --> 01:00:39.079
was happening through legislatures or at the ballot box, then progressives,
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01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:42.599
most of them not all, started pushing for this activist court,
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and so the bikel type ideas became associated more with
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the conservatives. Anyway, it's been.
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Interesting, interesting, sounds like some light reading, like cultural reading
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of it.
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It's also fiction.
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Just kidding, well, that's great. If anyone has any suggestions
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01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:11.199
for us as far as bookscope, they can email us
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01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:15.360
at radio at the Federalist dot com until next week though,
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and the Lovers of Freedom of a picchus for the
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FRAY and it went like