'You're Wrong' With Mollie Hemingway and David Harsanyi, Ep. 216: Christa Pike And The ’Cornell 7’

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Welcome back, everyone, to a new episode of You Were
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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor-in-chief of The Federalist and David Harsanyi,
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senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as a reminder,
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if you'd like to email the show, please do so
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at radio at thefederalist.com. And please like us on whatever
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platform you're listening on. to this podcast on. We'd appreciate
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that as well. Boy, we got a ton of mail.
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It was awesome. Yeah, you requested some nonfiction book recommendations
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and we got a ton. There were some really good
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ones in there. I forget them now, but I actually
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have a list and I plan on tracking some of
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them down. Just very thoughtful. A lot of them I'd read,
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but many of them I hadn't.
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Although some people just literally sent in like a list
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of books and I needed a little bit more like
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why this one? Why that one? What might I like
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about this one? Many people did the more specific stuff,
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which I appreciated, too.
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Yeah. So that was nice. I think we have to
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ask for recommendations more often. So we have a few
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things this week. Let's start with the I'm actually very
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interested in this topic, even though it's gruesome in many ways,
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but the botched execution of Krista Pike in Tennessee. I
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should mention, I guess, before we really get into it,
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that this when this person was young, I believe she
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was 19 in 1995, something like that. Her, I believe
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some accomplices lured a classmate into the woods and murdered her.
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It was just brutal murder. She was convicted and It
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takes a long time to execute someone in this country.
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And she was given a double dose of whatever drugs
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they give to execute you, and she survived. And when
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she survived those double doses in Tennessee, I think this
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was last week, They basically went to save her life.
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I think she's in a coma now. It's a failed
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botched execution. I just want to preface all this by saying,
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no matter where you stand on the death penalty, and
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I actually have complicated feelings about it, we don't want this, right?
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If you're going to execute someone, we don't want a
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botched execution. We want it to work correctly. And because
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just to get it done, it's inhumane, this kind of thing.
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So I don't even know where to start. I guess...
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Do you have any thoughts on what are your where
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are you on the death penalty, by the way? I
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don't think we've ever spoken about this.
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I'm not sure if we have either. This is one
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of the issues where Mr. Hemingway and I have a disagreement.
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He's generally opposed to the death penalty, particularly in practice,
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whereas I am very much in favor of the death penalty.
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And I think it's an important issue. And I mean,
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I'm very sad about the fact that sin exists in
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the world and that people are murderous and do horrific things.
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But I do think that means that there are certain
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crimes for which it is more just for you to
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lose your life than to be housed and fed and
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at great expense and at great difficulty for society for
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the rest of your life. And brutal murder would absolutely
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be one of those instances. This qualifies, this woman just
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seems like she's kind of bad from a young age.
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She did commit this murder as a young woman. It
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was particularly brutal. It was satanic, literally. She was involved
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in Satanism. Big shocker there. And the murder had satanic elements.
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The victim was horrifically brutalized. pleaded for mercy. It was
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just a very bad situation. And the family of the victim,
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they have been waiting for justice for decades. And it's
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really disgusting to me that it's taken so long that
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people put so much time and energy into avoiding justice.
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The games that have been played by this woman's attorneys
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is a total thing that happens. There are all of
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these left wing people who like to game the system
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to prolong the time between justice being served or the
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time at which justice will be served. And they're very
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successful at what they do. It's very expensive. And I
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think they're not great people either. And I don't say
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that with any disrespect for rule of law. I do
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want people to have the best possible legal representation but
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even like the games being played here she claims that
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like one of the things they're trying to do to
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avoid an actual execution from being done normally if you
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fail at the first effort you just try again and
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they're saying well they should have known that she couldn't
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like she had a vein issue well a if they
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didn't know that just just put it into a didn't
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want to do the electric chair and is now claiming
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that she didn't want to do this one either. Well,
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I'm sure she doesn't want to do, I'm sure she
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doesn't want to die. Neither did her victim.
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And I.
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Just resent the game playing of it all.
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This issue is one of the few where I am
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theoretically against it. I am against the death penalty. I think,
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or I should say, I feel like I should be
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against the death penalty. I feel like it gives the
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state too much power over life and death. I think
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it takes too long. I don't think it's a deterrent.
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It costs us a lot of money. I'm not sure
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if it's worth it, all of that. And then whenever
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it pops up, I read the story about the brutality
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of the murder and I'm like, fry this bastard. You
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know what I mean? Like I'm always immediately, I realized
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that justice has to be served in some way. So
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I have conflicting feelings about the death penalty. I just
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don't think, It's a deterrent because I don't think someone
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like these sociopaths or people who are in satanic cults
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like this woman or other people who murder children are
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deterred because they think they're going to be executed. I
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just don't think it really matters that much.
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I do think it serves as a deterrent. I don't
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think that's the primary reason why it should be done.
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I think it's just a matter of justice. But I
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do have a question for you on how you were saying, like,
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you don't want the state to have this much power.
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A lot of people. in a misguided fashion, I believe, say,
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how can you be opposed to brutally ending life in
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the womb, but support the millennia-long practice of executing a murderer?
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And I don't actually see a conflict between these two
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things at all. But I do wonder when people say
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the state shouldn't have the power to take a life,
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how do they support war?
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Because war is self-defense, in a sense. And once a murderer,
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I think, is in jail for life, obviously, I would...
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support that for these murderers. I just think it's, it's
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a different, it's a different context.
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But you wouldn't say that, that like all other means
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known to mankind should be utilized before war or would you?
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I mean, obviously I prefer peace, but no, I think
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there are limits to that. I think it's a different situation. I, I, again, and,
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and when people make the, and I know, Now, there's
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a theological reason that many Catholics oppose both, but I
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do not see them in the same light as all.
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Someone who has murdered another person is found guilty in
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a system of law that I trust, which I do.
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That person loses his rights as a citizen in most ways.
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A young defenseless human being in a womb has done nothing.
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Not only has done nothing wrong, they have no one
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else to protect them but us. Right. So I hate
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that comparison. I don't think it's the same. But. These
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this is not that there was a botched, I think,
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in Idaho, there was the same thing happened. Right. Here's
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what I don't get. I have an answer, actually, for this.
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It's called a firing squad, which is extraordinarily reliable, very punctual,
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gets it done. There is no questions there. It is
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far less barbaric, I think, in my view, than being
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strapped down to a gurney and having some medical procedure
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done to you where they end your life. I don't
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understand why we ever got rid of the firing squad,
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which I completely support. I think it's dignified. And there's
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news today that I saw that Nidal Hassan, that army
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major Islamist who killed 13 people in Fort Hood, Was
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it 2009, maybe?
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Yes, sir.
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He's going to be executed by firing squad. Donald Trump
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just signed off on that. That's the appropriate way to
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be executed. Even the guillotine, incidentally, was invented by a
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doctor to ensure that people died without any pain in
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a weird way. I think the French Revolution overused the guillotine.
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We try to figure out ways as human beings that
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if we're going to have to execute someone to do
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in the least... gruesome and least, well, I guess a
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guillotine is very gruesome, but in the least, you know,
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to the least suffering involved.
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OK, so I have thoughts on this, too. So we
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had a great piece by Hayden Daniel at The Federalist
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that I think was tentatively titled Make Firing Squads Great Again.
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But we ended up headlining it. Krista Pike shows it's
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time to bring back firing squads.
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Oh, good. Good.
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The death penalty represents true justice if the crime is
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heinous enough, and thus the firing squad, delivered quickly upon
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the condemned, represents the best method for dispensing that justice.
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And the piece goes into all the reasoning why, but
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I think that there's this mistaken effort to sanitize what
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is being done with the justice of the death penalty,
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and that it actually doesn't work at all. Like, this
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there's the taking of the life is not like done
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in a better way if it's administered intravenously as opposed
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to by firing squad or electric chair or anything like
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that and i think there's something to be said for
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people actually being you know all being involved in it
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and the way the firing squad works with multiple people
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not knowing whether they're you know whether they themselves are
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dealt the fatal shot or fired the fatal shot. I
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think there's a lot of goodness in that approach. And
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I do like that they're going to do it for
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Nadal Hassan. This is another thing where I think it's
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egregious that this man has been fed and clothed and
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housed for nearly 20 years after his terrorism. And he's
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an army doctor who kills a dozen or more people.
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It was just horrible. And Justice should have been served
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by now. And I'm glad they're going to do it
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and they're going to do it that way.
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There's nothing we can really do about these delays because
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we have a legal system. Maybe there is some kind
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of reform that can that can happen, but it's typically
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going to take a very long time. And in fact,
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20 years is not even that long a time. Typically,
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it's 30 years. Sometimes it's 40 years. You have people
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being executed for crimes a long time ago. And that
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costs us millions of dollars. So. I'm not trying to
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take justice away from the victims. And in fact, if
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something horrible happened to a family member of mine, I'd
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want to be on the firing squad, I feel like.
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But is it worth it? That's one of the aspects
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of the death penalty that I also think about. I
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don't know. Maybe it is. In the 1800s and the 1700s,
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people would show up for executions. There would be a
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huge crowd and it would become this event. I don't
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want that to happen either. We shouldn't be reveling in
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the death of people.
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Well, I can say another quick thing. You hear sometimes
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people say that executing people is cruel and unusual punishment.
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And I think it's worth remembering that at the time
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that those words were written into the Constitution, there was
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widespread practice of the death penalty. And so it cannot
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be meant to exclude those things. unless you take this
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very later left-wing Supreme Court view of, well, we have
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evolving standards of justice. And I actually wrote about this
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in the Alito book. He had a dissent related to
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this that that said okay so there were some decisions
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within the last 20 years that you couldn't apply the
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death penalty to people under the age of 18 on
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the grounds that that was cruel and unusual even though
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you could be executed at the time of the founding
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under the age of 18 but then it became that
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you couldn't even put people in prison with a life
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sentence if they hadn't yet reached the age of 18
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and Alito was writing about how insane this was that
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you could be like a terrorist bomber at the age
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of 17 but be required to be let go and
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that society couldn't do anything. And he was pointing out
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that a majority of state legislatures had in just the
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previous few years said that you could put people in
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prison for life under the age of 18, if for
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particularly barbaric activity. And I think people sometimes confuse what
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their own feelings are with what the will of the
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people is or what the founders thought at the time
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that they wrote. the constitution and they don't want to
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do the work of convincing their peers and other voters
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that they want the standards of justice to change. They
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just want it asserted from the courts and it is annoying.
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Two other things on that. One, someone at the Federalist
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was pointing out that if you are a baby who
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survives an abortion attempt, many states will not provide care
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for you. But if you are a brutal murderer, and
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torturer who survives an execution attempt. Even in Tennessee, they're like, well,
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what can we do to preserve this person's life while
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we figure out what's going on? And that is interesting
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to see that disparity. And then the other thing I'd
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point out is that a lot of people who support
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doctor killing of people who've become a burden supposedly on
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their family or friends, they use this method of execution
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on those people. And it's so funny to me that
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the way the media and other left-wingers, they'll describe that
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method as so loving and wonderful when it applies to
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doctor-assisted killing. But then when it's execution that they oppose,
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they'll say it's like a barbaric practice at odds with
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the Eighth Amendment.
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That's those are good points. I mean, I do think
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it's barbaric if you if you practice it on a
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defenseless old person or a person who is sick. I
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don't think it's barbaric necessarily, you know, on on a murderer.
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But again, I'd be happy to do other methods hanging,
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but especially a firing squad. Other methods we have are
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cyanide hanging still electrocution. Those are the ways that most
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states execute people, though there are very few executions really
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every year. I don't know what the number is, but
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it's not many.
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This is Molly Hemingway encouraging you to listen to my
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Let's move on to another very off-putting topic, but I
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think it's something that we can talk about or should
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talk about for various reasons. And that is the, what
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are they called? The seven, the Cornell University seven rape case. Boy,
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when I initially heard about this case, it reminded me
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of that Duke case from years ago that turned out
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not to be true. But in any event, here we
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have a young woman at the university who, again, it
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seems to me, willingly... participated in what would be called
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an orgy right uh with with men is that i
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mean is that gonna get me in trouble molly i
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see you making a face or i just i.
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Hate this entire story makes me so sick to think
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about much less talk about it i know it's important
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i'm here to do it but okay issue my objection
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so actually i'm not.
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Going to I'm just going to say what it is.
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If I get in trouble, I get in trouble. She
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participated in an orgy. She was high. She was drunk.
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She did it initially, at least, for sure, willingly. In
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her official statement to the New York police originally, she
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said she sought this out. And apparently, though things get
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a little hazy here, other people at this fraternity joined in.
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As it went along, it is unclear whether she was
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OK with that or not. Also. Some of the people
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have been accused, it must be said. Contend that they
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did not participate in this at all, I believe. And initially,
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when she went to the police, people were expelled and
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all of that. But the police did not press charges because.
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They didn't see a need to escalate from there because
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she had nothing she said rose to the level of rape.
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Now she's suing these people and she says she was raped. Obviously,
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there are many levels to this. The first is is
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just societal or cultural or personal in a way. If
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you're a young woman, you should not be putting yourselves
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in these situations. I know you're not supposed to say
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that in certain circles, but that's the truth. Whatever happens afterwards,
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it might be criminal, might be terrible, but you should
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be very careful not to put yourself in these situations.
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The young men who did this should not be putting
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themselves in these situations either. I don't hear that enough
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from certain people. They're acted like animals. This is debauchery.
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They're in college. They're in an Ivy League college. They
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should know better. Everyone should know better, not just Ivy Leaguers,
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but they certainly are either adults or close to being
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adults and should not act this way. So everyone put
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themselves in a horrible situation. They were not just drunk,
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by the way. They had like taken hard drugs, not
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just pot. They were just completely off their minds. Right.
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Like and they acted in a way that's terrible. So anyway.
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I always don't know. how to set something like this up.
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So have at it!
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There are many other things I'd like to talk about here,
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but what is your take on this? Because there's a
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suit going on now, and obviously you have the usual
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social factions pitted against each other on this event.
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I hate to see any disagreement on this at all
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um because everyone involved behaved in a reprehensible way and
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it should be easy for people to condemn it all
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but i do have a ton of i so um
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In the Old Testament, there are all these rules that
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God gives people. And then in the New Testament, Jesus
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is like, what if I told you that you break
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this law, not just by doing like the direct thing
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that's condemned, but even thinking about it or speaking about it.
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You know, you don't just commit adultery by cheating on
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your spouse, but by thinking about cheating on your spouse.
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Or if you hate your brother, you are a murderer.
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And I don't just hate everybody involved in this and
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their behavior.
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I have.
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I have more people I'm angry about. So I'm angry
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about feminism. That's a pretty common thing for me. But
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this feminism has taught women things that are not true
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and not for their benefit. Feminism hates what they call
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the patriarchy. They hate a traditional way of being. They
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hate that. And this is something that's reasonable to hate,
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that women are to dislike, that women or to have
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concern about, I guess, that women bore a higher price
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for behavior that both men and women engaged in. Although
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I think there are some societal reasons for having women
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in the role that they are. Like it works well.
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Women have a lot of power that feminism took away.
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And I think they didn't realize they were taking away
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some of that power. But women should never have been
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taught that they are just like men and that they
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should behave just like men. that their interests are aligned
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with men completely. And you have situations where this woman
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probably thought that she was being very sex positive and
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empowered in her whoredom. I guess, what's the word for this?
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She willingly, according to her, there's also the issue that
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what she claimed at the time bears almost no resemblance
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to what she's claiming now. And so it's hard to
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know which of the things she has said is the
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more accurate representation, although there's reason to believe that her
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initial statements were more in line with the facts of
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the case than what we have now. But you have
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a woman who willingly engaged in multiple successive threesomes, arrived
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at a party drunk, gave some drugs to a guy,
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took some drugs from guys. It's hard to understand who
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to blame for these things at that point. Yes, who
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engaged in multiple successive threesomes, degenerate behavior, seemed pretty happy
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about it and about the sort of status she had.
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Then coming down off of the ketamine and other drugs
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and realizing that her reputation is harmed by her behavior,
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starts to experience a great deal of regret, which is understandable.
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behavior in a way that apparently the boys did not experience.
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and then tries to take action. Cornell looks at this situation.
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Here's another group of people I'm angry at. Left-wing Ivy
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League universities, which have destroyed once great institutions. Every single
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person at Cornell in administration has willingly embraced the left-wing
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destruction of universities. And they look at this mess and
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they're like, what are we going to do with this?
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They There's obviously nothing actionable in a legal sense. Maybe
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there should be, but we are decades past that in
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our society. And I don't even know. I mean, I
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can keep going. Like the boys are obviously complete degens
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and I want everyone involved to learn about Jesus and
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the forgiveness of sins that comes with him and what
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he accomplished for us on the cross. Because I can't
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imagine these any of these people involved feel in any
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way good about themselves. And in fact, they're probably despairing
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about where their sin has brought them.
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I mean, this kind of reprehensible moral behavior, first of all,
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it's yes, it's gone on forever, but there is no
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moral tradition or system that says this is OK to
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act this way. it's a lack of one. So I
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do agree with you as far as feminine feminism goes
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and other things that we teach people, including the, the, the,
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the widespread, uh, watching of pornography that distorts people's understanding
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of what sex is about and should be about. We
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shouldn't forget that. I don't, we don't know exactly what,
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who was, you know, if these people were involved, we're
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watching pornography, but it seems likely. Um, The problem here
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is we don't have all the information like we don't
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know exactly what the complaint says, even though there were numerous.
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I saw one report that says that the original complaint
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was amended like 19 times. And still, the D.A. did
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not believe that rape had occurred. It seems to me
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from what we have so far, and this can change,
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is that she participated in these things, regretted it. And
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this is often the story and then decided that she
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was raped. It doesn't mean she wasn't right. But once
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you put yourself in that kind of situation, it's very
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difficult for people to know what is consent and what
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isn't consent, right?
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I think there's a question, if it happened, to whom
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did it happen? We, with good reason, understand that women
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are more likely to be taken advantage of in vulnerable situations.
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But that doesn't mean that men can't be taken advantage of.
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And if she's giving them drugs or they're taking drugs...
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from a third party or, you know, from a different
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person who's incapacitating whom. This reminds me of another thing
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that I feel very strongly about.
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Sorry.
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The word for men who have sex in the company
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of other men is gay. And I don't think these
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boys recognize the homosexuality of their sexual expression. Like, I
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don't know much about you, David, and I don't want
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to get personal, but I'm going to guess that that
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would weird you out, even if you were a complete degen.
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Yeah, I don't... Listen, I don't love getting into these conversations,
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but I did not understand the appeal of that sort
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of thing. First of all, the complete lack of any
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real affection. Like, it becomes just this completely physical... Right.
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We're animals.
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Yeah, we're animals. I think that has... I want to
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say it has something to do with how you're brought
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up and who brings you up. Right. But there are,
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there are a lot of forces out there in the world.
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Like I said, pornography, for instance, teaches people different things. And, um,
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and listen, it's going to be trouble. Men will sometimes
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act like animals. It just is the truth, especially young men.
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Sometimes it doesn't make it. Okay. I, and they shouldn't, um,
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At least when I was growing up, the role, the
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women or the young women were much more responsible in
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this way. Not always, but it seemed to me that
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that was the case. Is that a fair thing to say?
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I think it is. And I think women have historically
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held just a very nice role in society as people
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who provide those guardrails for appropriate behavior or not. And
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I know a lot of negativity can be associated with
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that judginess or shunning. that can be negative for some women,
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but it also provides a great societal good. Lots of
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times men make fun of how women are really good
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at relationships. And I'm like, this is what keeps society together.
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We're very good at forming bonds and relationships, not just
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in our immediate family, but also in our communities. And
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as you remove women from their communities and put them
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in the awful workspaces, then you lose out as a
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culture as well, And that women's work has not been
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valued like it should be. Not that some men can't
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do well with that. Not that some women aren't so
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great at it. But in general, it's been a good
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thing that women do.
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What I worry about with this case, and I tell you,
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it skews me out. So I read about it because
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it's in the news. But probably if I wasn't in
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this business, I would mostly ignore it. But I will
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say this. There have been cases where young men have
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been falsely accused of rape. Now, don't get me wrong.
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There are plenty of real rapes in the world. But
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it happens. And what happens is the people who involve
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themselves in this are all degenerates in my view. And
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we should not be defending their moral behavior, even if
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we believe in rule of law and don't think it's rape.
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And sometimes because of the way the debate organically evolves,
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what happens is people start taking sides. My side is
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that all these people need Jesus, like you said, and, um,
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And I hope that they find it. And I actually
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feel incredible pity for this young woman who felt like
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this was something that she should involve herself in. I
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don't know anything about her life. But I also feel
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pity for the young men involved in this because I
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think they're going to have to live with this for
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the rest of their lives. And I can... that's all
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I want to say, you know, just the moral degeneracy
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is terrible.
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The guilt that each and every one of them rightly
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feels it's probably quite oppressive. And so I hope they
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get help. Lawsuits or counter lawsuits are not the way
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to deal with that guilt. There were two things I
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wanted to mention in addition to this. And the first
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was a video of Camille Paglia that was going around.
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Did you see that where she's talking about how like
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girls are brought up in these very protected upper middle
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class bourgeois environments and don't understand the threats that are
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out there? And one of the things she said is like,
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if a frat boy invites you to his room, that's
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because he wants to have sex with you. And I
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was talking with a friend about this and he thought
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that was ridiculous. He probably was a frat boy, by
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the way. And he thought that was way overstated. But
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I was saying that it's good to teach girls that
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even if it is overstated, they need to understand that
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not everything is this protected world where they have a
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loving father and loving brothers and great, wonderful neighbors and
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the world can be a dangerous place. It doesn't mean
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it has to be a dangerous place, but the way
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my mom always told me, when you go to college,
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you should just have your antenna up. She would always
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talk about having your antenna up. Look, be aware of
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your circumstances. Don't drink too much. Don't get in a
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bad situation with a boy. And it made me feel
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more empowered, first off, that I was in control of
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my circumstances, that I did have a job to do.
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But it was very helpful advice that I've tried to
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pass on to my children. And also because, you know,
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sometimes bad things still happen. And knowing that you were
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doing your best can help you overcome some of the
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bad stuff associated with that, too.
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Yeah. And you put yourself in a lot of danger
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in hookup culture because you don't know the people that
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you're hooking up with very well. And this is why
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you're supposed to build relationships and then move forward.
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I do think that having a good understanding of proper
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sexual behavior is not a one-off conversation. And we were
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talking about this at church, actually, because our pastor in
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Bible class, we all go through the catechism repeatedly throughout
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the year. And this week, the portion of the catechism
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is dealing with the commandment against adultery. And he was
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talking about how when you're teaching this commandment for the
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kids at the Lutheran day school, you don't want to
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get too explicit about everything. And then he was telling
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us he's really into puns. He was telling us about
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having talked about the importance of being chased and the
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kids not understanding that that's spelled C-H-A-S-T-E instead of C-H-A-S-E-D.
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But I was talking to one of my kids afterward,
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and we thought that, in fact, it's OK to talk
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about sex with younger parents. kids they should be aware
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of what's going on one of the points Camille Paglia
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makes in this video is that if you grew up
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on a farm you kind of understand sex because you
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see animals doing it and you also understand the consequences
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of sex and we do such like a protective job
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on our kids that they are clueless sometimes and I
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think parents feel uncomfortable talking about it and they shouldn't
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or they're not there because they're divorced or they've left
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their kids and you're doing all of your children a
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disservice um Wait, I have one more thing I wanted
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to say about it really quickly. There was this really
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great tweet from Federalist writer and Lutheran pastor Hans Feeney
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that I thought had some good nuance on the discussion.
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He basically says consent must always be present for sexual relationships,
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but it's not sufficient for a functional ethic concerning sex.
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And he talks about how obviously if you're too discreet,
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If you're passed out drunk, you cannot consent. But what
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if you're extremely drunk? What if you're just pretty drunk?
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What if you're kind of tipsy? And then you get
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into murkier terrain because the clear thinking person, like who
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she wants to be and normally is, is different than
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the uninhibited person she becomes with drinking. And if she
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wouldn't have engaged in a behavior if she were sober,
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but she would if she's got drugs or booze in
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her system, do you have consent? And he says this
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applies to all sorts of factors. Like if a woman
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consents to a no commitment, reckless sexual activity with a
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man because she had a distant and cruel father, And
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she's doing what we all know women sometimes do in
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those circumstances, chasing the male approval she never got in
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an unhealthy manner. Um, what if she wouldn't have done
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it if it weren't for that evil that was committed
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against her? And that is one of the things I
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think is really under talked about. Like a lot of
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women engage in bad behavior because they were abused or
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dealing with really negative male role models. And then he
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gives another example, um, If she consents to film pornography
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or engage in prostitution because she was sexually exploited or
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was impoverished and it took years for her to. Of
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dealing with this in order to consent to this kind
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of bad activity or if she has. abandonment issues, or
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if she just found out her husband is having an
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affair and she's in a state of emotional distress, commits
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adultery herself. And he goes on and on. And he's saying,
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there's got to be something beyond mere consent that we
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must aim for when considering sexual morality. Men, you are
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called not just to have a woman's consent, but to
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provide her with honor. All non-consensual sex is dishonorable, but
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not all consensual sex is is honorable and honorable sex
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requires consent from the best clearest thinking version of her
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and he talks about the importance of understanding that in
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a christian context where you're not under the power of
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sin that you should be participating with the woman rather
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than using her for your own pleasure which is to
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say mutual glorification and a pledge of loyalty and faithfulness
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from each party both to each other and to god
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in other words marriage and it does just want to
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say when I hear stories like this Cornell seven awful story,
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it makes me thankful for the ethic that my parents
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tried to give me. And then I try to give
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my children that we receive from God's word about how happy, joyful,
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life affirming, wonderful sex happens within the context of marriage.
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And that's what society should be ordered toward encouraging.
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Yeah. Yeah. But we also have to live in the
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real world and people have to protect themselves because there
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are plenty of, geez, I guess from my experience, just,
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and you never know what goes on behind closed doors.
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There were plenty well, you know, brought up people who
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were brought up in loving families who also act poorly. Um,
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so it's important to get to, you know, to know
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someone to, to, to really understand that they're a good
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person before you engage in what is the most intimate
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thing you could possibly do. Right. Right. But on the
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other side, I want to say that there's this weird
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thing that goes on with modern women, young women that
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I've seen, at least online and the ones I've met,
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is that there's also this weird like paranoia on the
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other side about how terrible men are. You know, like
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men are terrible, but also I'm sleeping with a lot
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of men just hooking up. It doesn't really make sense.
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If you're that paranoid about men, maybe you should act
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on that and not be doing that at least. I mean,
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maybe it's a protective mechanism or something. I don't know.
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Just in general, I hate to see when men hate
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on women, women hate on men. There are many wonderful
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men and women out there. Of course. And yeah, you
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should shun those people who aren't great, but don't let
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awful behavior pollute your mind so that you think all
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people of the opposite sex are bad.
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Yeah, I see a lot of that and it's equally dumb.
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All right. Thank God we're over. We're done with that.
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Let's talk about the midterms.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I think conventional wisdom believes at least that
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Republicans will lose the House. I have no reason to
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believe that that's not true. I think it's a difficult
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election no matter how you slice it. A lot of
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people are wondering if Republicans will lose the Senate as well.
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I have not done a big deep dive yet, but
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it looks like it's going to be close, right? There
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are a lot of races I am unsure about. I'm
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very skeptical of polling, at least in that it's going
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to give me kind of the proportions and the breaks
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in the way that they're going to happen. Even when
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we saw El-Sayed running against Haley Stevens in Michigan, for instance,
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in the primary, he won by a far smaller margin
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than polls had predicted. And I've seen that happen in
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other elections as well. But I do think when you
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look at how I use polling, at least, is to
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see where things are trending. What's the trajectory? And the
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trajectory of the public's view of Donald Trump's presidency is
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not good right now. So I think that would be
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the indicator that things are probably not going to go
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very well. What say you?
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I always think there's too much prediction going on in punditry.
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But I, you know, if I'm asked, I don't think
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it'll be a particularly good year for Republicans historically. they
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are on track to lose quite a bit. You've got
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them controlling the presidency, the House, the Senate. And just
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past this prologue, it takes something really remarkable. And we
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don't have anything remarkable going on to make that trend
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not go in Democrats' favor. And Having said that, I
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have a wide range of possibilities. And I think given
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how much advantage Democrats have, they should be completely taking
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over the Senate and the House. And I'm not sure
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they're going to. And I think that's a reflection of
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there's certainly voter dissatisfaction with Republicans. That is absolutely true
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for a wide variety of reasons. But there's not exactly
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happiness with Democrats and they're not really running on anything.
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So even though I think they'll do well and I
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think they'll take the House and they maybe even could
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take the Senate, I don't think they'll do as well
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as they could if they were running on a more
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competent thing. They're not really giving people a reason to
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vote for them.
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Well, the ads I've seen are all just negative. Most
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of them are completely misleading about the economy. I don't
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think this is a great economy, but I don't think
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it's a terrible economy. And I think people's perceptions of
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it are off a bit. I get that inflation is
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a problem for a lot of people, but inflation is
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really cooled in many ways. I get it for sure.
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Fuel and oil and diesel. It's expensive. It's embedded in
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the price of things. I'm not pretending that we're living
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in the greatest time ever, but. Polling makes it look
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like we're in the middle of COVID or something. I mean,
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things are not as bad as people say. It just
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seems like America's in a very sour mood. And there's
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a lot of anti-Trump sentiment, let's say, in polling. But
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I just think if there was another president, there would
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be a lot of anti-whoever sentiment. I'm not defending Trump
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on everything he's done. I think he's made mistakes. But
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I just don't think that most Americans... Well, like anyone
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who's in charge, I feel like they don't think things
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are working right and that they believe something is wrong.
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So there is also the problem that voters like to
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vote out of anger, not out of appreciation. And so
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you take what got Trump elected. One of the things
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was the lawfare against him, which by definition has stopped
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at the federal level. And then another thing was Joe
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Biden's actions to willfully and wantonly open the borders to
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millions of illegal immigrants. And what did Trump do? He
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shut it down. And he shut it down kind of
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beautifully and amazingly. And they're even deporting people who are
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here illegally. Like everything is going really well with that.
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But then it makes you think that there's not a
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problem that needs fixing because it's getting fixed.
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I just want to stress, I think that's very important.
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People hone in on something that's going wrong. They're very
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angry about it. And once it's gone and it's not
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bothering them anymore or they feel like it's passed. they
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move on to a new problem. They're not appreciative that
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you've solved the last problem. And the politics has never
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worked that way. So I think that's important to stress.
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I saw, I saw a, a graph. I think it
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was a true, a real thing that showed that essentially
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there was almost no, it was very legal, illegal immigration
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going on right now. And that legal immigration from Islamic
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countries had fallen to by like you know, 90%. I
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think that those are good accomplishments.
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00:43:17.630 --> 00:43:21.849
And that was like a bad news put out by
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Cato Institute. And then the Trump administration was like, thank you, Cato.
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00:43:26.409 --> 00:43:30.860
We did shut down immigration from majority Muslim countries. Thank
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00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:33.440
you for highlighting our success. And Cato was like, no,
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we meant to rip you a new one for this.
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You can't be happy about it. And it was just
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funny to see.
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Yeah. Yeah. I don't think they get it. Again, I
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get that there are some people or many people maybe
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who didn't like some of the tactics of ICE. Maybe
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ICE was too aggressive in certain places. You can debate
735
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all that. But in the end, we can't have illegality.
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And Trump did a good job on that. He did
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a bad job on other stuff, in my view. I'm
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sure you have your... And we would maybe even disagree
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on what those things are. But generally, I don't think
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it's been... as bad a presidency as people seem to think.
741
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So it's, I find it a little weird, but Republicans
742
00:44:16.070 --> 00:44:18.309
are in charge of everything. And when you're in charge
743
00:44:18.329 --> 00:44:20.550
of everything, you get blamed for everything. This is the
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norm and they're probably going to lose the house and
745
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maybe the Senate, but.
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Can I just say one other thing? I tweeted about this,
747
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but Rahm Emanuel, who was high up with both Clinton
748
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:38.269
and Obama and has been trotted out a lot on
749
00:44:38.429 --> 00:44:44.389
TV recently because he's willing to speak against the Democrat socialists.
750
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And so he was on Kristen Welker's propaganda show on
751
00:44:48.110 --> 00:44:52.489
NBC news. That's each Sunday. And she's like, so you, you,
752
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:58.500
you know, you don't like democratic socialists. And he said,
753
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you know, they're their own party. They had a convention.
754
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And then he says, They believe in defunding the police.
755
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That's just not a democratic position.
756
00:45:10.179 --> 00:45:10.409
Really?
757
00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:15.559
They believe in open borders. That is not a democratic
758
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:21.000
party position. It's not like, I can't even literally think
759
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of a single person who doesn't share that view, much
760
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less a majority of Democrats in elected office. Um, What
761
00:45:29.659 --> 00:45:31.260
else do you say? They believe in letting prisoners out
762
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of prison. That's not a Democratic Party position. Well, you've
763
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got the entire Democratic Party trying to defund ICE, take
764
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any illegal immigrants who are in prison out of custody, and...
765
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As far as the other two issues, they like kneeled
766
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on the floor of the House to show support for
767
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defunding the police. They all worked to open the borders
768
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completely and still do. This idea that there's some huge
769
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distinction between Democratic socialists and Democrats, it's madness. And Rahm
770
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Emanuel can't even come up with a single one that
771
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doesn't apply to most of them. I mean, maybe they're
772
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like not letting prisoners out of prison anymore. is a
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democratic socialist as opposed to Democrat position, sort of, but
774
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you don't hear Democrats being like, yeah, we want to
775
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keep prisoners in prison. And then he said, we'll have
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a healthy debate in November between the, after November, between
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the pragmatic wing and the progressive wing. And then he says,
778
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that is a good debate we haven't had for 20
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years as a party. And I was glad to see
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him admit that progressives took over the democratic party after Clinton,
781
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I'm just glad he's admitting that because you really had
782
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this option. And you know, I'm not a huge Hillary
783
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Clinton fan, but you could go Hillary Clinton versus Barack
784
00:46:55.929 --> 00:46:59.530
Obama and the party chose to go Barack. And much
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of the radicalism that we see directly flows from that.
786
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And Hillary Clinton, bad lady who Americans very much do
787
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did not want to be president, but she In some ways,
788
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her badness is more obvious and less like evil than
789
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some of the badness that we got from Obama. But
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I just want to say you're not even allowed to
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say all lives matter in the Democrat Party. Do not
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tell me that they are different from Democratic socialists. That's
793
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considered the most vile, awful thing you could ever say
794
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that all human lives have value. You're not you're literally
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not allowed to say it.
796
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The pragmatic wing wing of the Democratic Party lost. I mean,
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they can win in certain places like you can have
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the governor of Pennsylvania, let's say. But he can't even
799
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become a vice presidential candidate for that party because he's
800
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too moderate on issues. So this reminds me of me.
801
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Sit there and pretend that the Republican Party is still
802
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a free market, small, you know, small government fusionist party.
803
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But I'm fooling myself. That's not what it is. And
804
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he's fooling himself. There is no one who agrees with him.
805
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There's no pragmatic wing of the Democratic Party. I just
806
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I forget who it is or Barack Obama is out
807
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campaigning for Abdul El-Said, who we now know is essentially enveloped.
808
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with pro-terrorist, terroristic organizations, people who fundraise for Hamas, like
809
00:48:29.389 --> 00:48:32.670
who's a Marxist. And there are Marxist candidates all over
810
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the place. Of course, there are going to be some
811
00:48:34.630 --> 00:48:37.449
more moderate members of their party, but the pragmatic wing
812
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has lost. And Rahm Emanuel thinks he's going to be president.
813
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He's fooling himself. I don't like to make predictions because
814
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I hate to be proven wrong, but I would be
815
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very surprised if there's going to be enough support for him. Plus,
816
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It's the socialist wing of the party that where all
817
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:57.460
the energy is, where the activist class is, where the
818
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money flows. Democrats have a lot. They may win these elections,
819
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but they can't even really raise money for these mainstream
820
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:08.110
candidates they have. Right. Aren't they way behind Republicans? All
821
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the money flows to the activist groups, the DSA types.
822
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I think I don't know. I think Reid Hoffman is
823
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very much a fan of these radicals and he's a billionaire.
824
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Soros has been. funding them forever.
825
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Um, there's just one other thing I wanted to say
826
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about Rahm Emanuel. He was criticizing members of the Trump
827
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family for corruption. And I am totally fine with people criticizing, uh,
828
00:49:37.510 --> 00:49:40.769
But he called it Disneyland on the Potomac was his
829
00:49:40.809 --> 00:49:42.909
way of talking about the money being made by people
830
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close to the Trump family. And I just want to
831
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say Rahm Emanuel is a multi, multi, multimillionaire who made
832
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like tens of millions of dollars in an 18 month
833
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period in investment banking. And I just don't think he's
834
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the person who should talk about corruption when he got
835
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rich off of his ties to the Clintons and the Obamas.
836
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Of course not.
837
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I'm bitter about this because I'm not cashing in on
838
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anything in my 30 years of living in D.C. But
839
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just had to say that last thing about Rom.
840
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And his brother is that ridiculous radical who thinks that
841
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:24.860
people should die. I forgot what age. Seventy five. I
842
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forgot what he said.
843
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I think is when he said people should start dying.
844
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Isn't he 70? I will see if he chooses that.
845
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Yeah. Yeah.
846
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Listen, honestly, if I would be happy if Rahm Emanuel ran,
847
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:42.199
you know, won the Democratic Party parties. nomination for the
848
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:45.039
presidency i really wish that we could go back to
849
00:50:45.059 --> 00:50:48.960
a more uh moderate democratic party i wish we could
850
00:50:48.980 --> 00:50:52.179
have real debates i wish socialists weren't taking over that
851
00:50:52.219 --> 00:50:55.090
party i think it's bad for america even a moderate
852
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:57.969
democrat now is essentially way to the way to the
853
00:50:58.030 --> 00:51:01.650
left of bill clinton more probably how barack obama governed
854
00:51:01.710 --> 00:51:04.349
even though i i think obama governed that way because
855
00:51:04.369 --> 00:51:06.949
he had to not because he didn't believe in in
856
00:51:06.989 --> 00:51:11.099
the far left's ideas um So I'd be happy, but
857
00:51:11.139 --> 00:51:13.820
that's not going to happen. It's going to. And here's
858
00:51:13.860 --> 00:51:18.800
another thing. The person who will run Kamala Harris or Newsom,
859
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:20.500
whoever it's going to be, I don't know who it's
860
00:51:20.539 --> 00:51:22.519
going to be. They're going to have to pretend to
861
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:25.489
be a lot more moderate than they are. It's it's
862
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:28.349
it makes it's laughable over the years. This happened all
863
00:51:28.389 --> 00:51:30.750
the time. The Democrat would have to pretend to be
864
00:51:30.809 --> 00:51:33.909
moderate and the and the Republican would pretend to be conservative.
865
00:51:34.590 --> 00:51:37.320
Mitt Romney had to pretend to be conservative. You know,
866
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:39.719
Hillary had to pretend to be more moderate. Obama had
867
00:51:39.739 --> 00:51:42.360
to pretend to be more moderate. They're our left wing party.
868
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:44.659
Obama had to pretend not to hate the country.
869
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:46.519
He hated this country.
870
00:51:46.579 --> 00:51:47.179
Still does.
871
00:51:50.059 --> 00:51:51.300
All right. Culture.
872
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Hit it.
873
00:51:55.340 --> 00:51:58.300
Oh, I don't have a lot. I was watching the
874
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:03.360
new season of Slow Horses with Gary Oldman. And I
875
00:52:03.389 --> 00:52:06.110
think it's great. I think the season is great. It's not.
876
00:52:07.449 --> 00:52:12.840
It's just harkens back to a kind of 70s Cold
877
00:52:12.889 --> 00:52:17.760
War spy thriller. That's the feel of this season. Others
878
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:20.639
have been similar, but this season more so. It's not
879
00:52:20.659 --> 00:52:23.840
very complicated, but it's a lot of fun. And I
880
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:26.500
just think it's I'm always like, oh, should I even
881
00:52:26.539 --> 00:52:29.300
watch this next season? There's already been every time I do.
882
00:52:29.500 --> 00:52:36.010
I'm happy I've done it. It's really a lot of fun. OK. Uh,
883
00:52:36.110 --> 00:52:41.630
I have a one book recommendation. I've been looking forward
884
00:52:41.650 --> 00:52:45.349
to this. The cauldron is the name of the book.
885
00:52:45.409 --> 00:52:47.239
It's called the making of the modern Middle East by
886
00:52:47.300 --> 00:52:50.519
Simon Montefiore. I think that's how you pronounce it. I'm
887
00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:53.460
not sure, but he's a fantastic author. He's written a
888
00:52:53.579 --> 00:52:56.780
lot of history books. Um, he wrote a book just
889
00:52:56.800 --> 00:53:01.019
called Jerusalem and the history of Jerusalem. He did a
890
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:03.210
book called Stalin, the court of the red czar, which
891
00:53:03.269 --> 00:53:08.469
is amazing. Uh, Catherine the Great, et cetera, et cetera.
892
00:53:09.489 --> 00:53:11.250
So this is all about I have not read it yet,
893
00:53:11.289 --> 00:53:13.070
but I know it's going to be great. It's all
894
00:53:13.110 --> 00:53:15.199
about the making of the modern Middle East, the French,
895
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:20.760
the British, Zionists, the Arab nationalism, et cetera. So it
896
00:53:20.780 --> 00:53:23.420
is also very important history if you care about what's
897
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:26.000
going on there right now. That's all.
898
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Okay, I don't really have much. I've been kind of busy.
899
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Went to a wedding. Our own Brecken Tees. He pronounces
900
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:39.090
his last name Thees, but that's incorrect. So I pronounce
901
00:53:39.130 --> 00:53:42.489
it correctly. Brecken Tees. T-H-I-E-S.
902
00:53:42.590 --> 00:53:45.170
So you're saying the person who works for you is
903
00:53:45.230 --> 00:53:46.710
pronouncing his name wrong.
904
00:53:47.090 --> 00:53:51.500
Yes, he is. And he had a beautiful wedding. That
905
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:53.940
was fun. had some friends in from out of town
906
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:58.599
and we, there's a new Mobius record store, not far
907
00:53:58.659 --> 00:54:02.139
from our church. And we went in there and I
908
00:54:02.179 --> 00:54:06.659
got two Harry Nelson records. It's weird. I do really
909
00:54:06.699 --> 00:54:09.230
like Harry Nelson, but I didn't even really know who
910
00:54:09.269 --> 00:54:13.150
he was until I got Tyler Cowen's old record collection.
911
00:54:14.150 --> 00:54:18.230
And he had extensive Nelson, but there were two records
912
00:54:18.269 --> 00:54:22.130
that I didn't have that they that they had at
913
00:54:22.170 --> 00:54:25.690
the record store. So I got them. So that was
914
00:54:25.829 --> 00:54:28.829
Son of Dracula, which he did with Ringo Starr. That's
915
00:54:28.849 --> 00:54:32.619
pretty good. And then Ariel Ballet, which is also really good.
916
00:54:33.400 --> 00:54:35.900
So I think I might have a complete Nilsson collection.
917
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And there were quite a few records.
918
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:42.440
A lot of records, you know, I consider myself somewhat
919
00:54:42.460 --> 00:54:47.190
of a record collector. And whenever I'm in a trendy
920
00:54:47.250 --> 00:54:49.789
record shops. You'll see a lot of his stuff and
921
00:54:49.829 --> 00:54:53.280
people are really into it. I've never really gotten it,
922
00:54:53.670 --> 00:54:55.909
but maybe I should give it another try.
923
00:54:56.269 --> 00:55:00.110
I really like his albums and I respect, I don't
924
00:55:00.130 --> 00:55:03.079
normally respect this in an artist, but he really stayed
925
00:55:03.139 --> 00:55:06.860
true to his artistic sensibility at the expense of commercial success,
926
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:12.300
including that he refused to tour and that probably affected
927
00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:15.929
him deeply. But Every time I'm listening to an album,
928
00:55:15.969 --> 00:55:17.949
I'm like, oh, he did this. He did that. I
929
00:55:17.969 --> 00:55:21.230
forgot that he did this. I think everyone knows Without You,
930
00:55:21.670 --> 00:55:24.739
which I don't believe he wrote, but is probably his
931
00:55:24.820 --> 00:55:26.550
most popular song.
932
00:55:27.030 --> 00:55:28.579
I thought his thing was that he wrote a lot
933
00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:31.800
of songs that other people recorded. Am I wrong about that?
934
00:55:31.860 --> 00:55:34.139
He's definitely a huge songwriter.
935
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Yes. OK.
936
00:55:38.300 --> 00:55:43.659
He there's everybody's talking from that movie.
937
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Midnight yeah yeah um.
938
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Which i also don't think he wrote and then there
939
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:52.460
are some songs he wrote that are not the best
940
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like put the lime in the coconut you know that
941
00:55:55.489 --> 00:56:00.969
one and um i love one is the loneliest number
942
00:56:01.429 --> 00:56:04.190
and i think that really gets to his sensibility does.
943
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He sing that he does but you.
944
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Probably know the other rendition and i can't remember three
945
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:14.889
dog night maybe okay he wrote that because he called
946
00:56:14.909 --> 00:56:16.690
someone and got the busy signal and then he just
947
00:56:16.710 --> 00:56:21.409
turned it into the plunking on the piano. He clearly
948
00:56:21.750 --> 00:56:23.570
inspired the Beatles a lot. And I liked that when
949
00:56:23.590 --> 00:56:27.070
you see influences in other people, there was that thing
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that was going around, like show the nine albums that
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made you. And I completely like messed up my own nine.
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I literally just put the first nine albums I was
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thinking of from my youth and And one of them
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that I put in there was Cabaret Voltaire Voice of America,
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which is nobody would say is like the world's best album,
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but I love how it influences so many different artists.
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Did you do the nine albums that influenced you?
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I thought about it, but like you, I was like,
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I can't do this justice because I have to have
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maybe 10 for each sub genre that I like. It's
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very difficult to just come up with. And then I
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don't want to mislead people.
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And I also have like, The 10 albums that got
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me through breakups or the 10 albums that I was
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listening to when I was 14. It's all different. And
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like I didn't put, for instance, Duran Duran Rio on there,
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but that's one of the albums that definitely influenced me
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quite a bit. But it just didn't come to mind
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when I was listing mine. And then it's like, which
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Prince album? Which Michael Jackson album?
971
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Maybe we should do an episode of that once. I
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don't know. Sometimes, you know, I don't know if people
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want that or not. I don't know what the people want.
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I saw that my husband wrote a nine albums that
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you should know about. Beast for the Federalist, which I
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haven't read yet. I just saw the headline come through.
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So I'll have to see what he picked. There's one
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other cultural thing.
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Yeah, great.
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I started watching The Gilded Age.
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Oh, yeah, I've seen that. I know what that is.
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I haven't watched it.
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It's funny because I don't think it's that particularly great.
984
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It's it's Downton Abbey for the US. So it looks
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at some families that are going through the Gilded Age.
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And I think I'm just watching it for the costumes
987
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because the costumes are unbelievable. But I'm not sure if
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it's just I always felt Downton Abbey was a soap
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opera for people who don't realize they like soap operas.
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And that's what I feel like about this. Like people
991
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are like, I would never watch soaps in the middle
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of the day. But that's really what this is.
993
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I tell you why I didn't want to watch that show.
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It felt to me, and this is probably just me
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projecting from because of other things that go on in
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the world, that the show is going to lecture me
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00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:46.070
about how we actually live in the gilded age today.
998
00:58:46.090 --> 00:58:52.820
You know, income inequality, poverty. Yeah, people I see Bernie
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00:58:52.860 --> 00:58:54.880
Sanders and others say we live in the Gilded Age
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when we actually live in the opposite. We are the
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middle class person is as close to living the life
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of a rich person as has ever happened in the
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history of mankind. We do not live in a Gilded Age.
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And I was worried about that. But you're telling so
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you didn't say. like you think it's a very nice
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to look at yeah.
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I think it does a pretty good job of showing
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universal issues in play and certainly the stuff about class
1009
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was more easily understood in that era maybe than it
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is now but New money, old money. It seems like
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a kind of a universal thing. And I'm also doing
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this thing where there's like a huge gay subplot that
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just annoys me. So I'm just fast forwarding through that.
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So I guess that's just every show.
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I just get through each episode pretty quickly because I
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just fast forward.
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It's like it's like we're watching The Sopranos and skipping
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all the stuff that's in the psychoanalysts. parts and you
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just do all the mob parts it's like a half
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hour show um okay so maybe actually maybe people can
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send us their top nine albums things that i would
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love that listening to yeah not that i i will
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probably care very much because i have my own ideas
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about this but you never know maybe molly will.
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I like to i like to learn about new music
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and i like but don't just No, I guess it's
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okay if you just put your top nine. I was
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going to say, if you also have any narrative associated
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with it, like, I think you'll like this because you
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like this, that would be helpful.
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Also, especially for me, at least, if you have any
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odd music or music that most people don't know about
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or that maybe is a little more difficult, that's what
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I enjoy. I love how.
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Ridiculously specific we're being.
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So if you want to send us those lists, please
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do so at radio at thefederalist.com. We'd love to hear
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from you. And we'll be back next week. Until then,
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be lovers of freedom and anxious for the free.