'You're Wrong' With Mollie Hemingway and David Harsanyi, Ep. 215: Jack Smith Spied On The Federalist

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Welcome back, everyone, to a new episode of You're Wrong
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with Molly Hemingway, editor-in-chief of The Federalist, and David Harsanyi,
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senior writer at The Examiner. Just as a reminder, you
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can email the show at radio at thefederalist.com. We'd love
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to hear from you. And click the like button on your...
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On whatever platform you use to listen to us, we'd
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appreciate that. I have a pet.
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Peeve about the podcast that I just wanted to mention.
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Our podcast?
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It's not really about the podcast. It's about people listening
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to the podcast.
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Right.
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Because sometimes I have stories and I want to tell
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them in real life. But I've also told them on
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the podcast and I sort of forget that I've done that.
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And then in real life, I want to tell people
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things that I've said on the podcast and people will
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be like, yeah, I know. I already heard you say
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that on the podcast.
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I do lose myself in these conversations of ours and
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I forget that we're recording them.
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And sometimes I'm like, did.
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I just have a conversation with Molly or was this
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something that I told however many people listen to us?
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I actually have no clue.
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I want to tell people not to listen. But if
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I know you in real life, maybe maybe then you
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could stop listening.
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I think we need our listeners. I think you should
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tell people not to listen. OK, how are you doing
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this week?
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I'm doing all right. How are you doing?
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I'm good. I was just reading a story here. Just
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real quick.
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The MacArthur Foundation Genius Grant winners were awarded just now.
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And I wonder how I can get involved in this.
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Have you ever thought about this award? $ 800, 000, no strings attached.
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You literally don't have to do anything. If you sat
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at home and just lived off this money, you can
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do that. You don't have to hand in a report
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or anything. And the people who win are exactly who
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you would suspect would win. Just a bunch of, you know,
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environmentalists and transgressive... Identitarian artists and so on.
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I don't know.
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I need to get, I need to start winning some
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awards like this.
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That's all I want to say.
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I know someone who won a MacArthur fellowship. Really? Although
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I think it was $ 500, 000 at the time she won.
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But it's someone I went to high school with. Her
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name is Kirsten Bombleys. Wow.
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What is her specialty?
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I mean, it matches what you were saying about sort
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of I think that there are people they like to
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give these to people with particular interests in particular, maybe
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that support certain politics. And she's probably in that category.
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I haven't talked to her since we graduated from high
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school many, many decades ago. But, you know, she did.
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She did win that.
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Let's get to the news. So.
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So special counsel, Jack Smith. who had brought two indictments
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against president Trump in 2023 testified in front of Congress today.
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And you have some news. So this is interesting.
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Jack Smith was in front of, uh, a Senate committee.
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Was it the, uh, judiciary committee, judiciary.
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Committee being grilled on Arctic frost and some other stuff
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as well.
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So anyway, uh, We learned a lot.
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We learned that he had subpoenaed, I think, the records
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of like almost 5,000 political donations and their phone numbers
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and emails and all kinds.
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Of stuff like that.
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But also, he also spied on media picking up, I think,
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communications around 50 journalists. who were corresponding with Trump administration officials.
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And you are involved in this. So tell us the
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story and how you are involved in this.
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Well, just to back it up a little and remind everyone,
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Jack Smith ran two politicized prosecutions. One went after Donald
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Trump for his speech, which you would be forgiven for
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thinking was a First Amendment protected activity. for his speech
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criticizing the administration of the 2020 election. So that was
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one of the lawsuits or one of the prosecutions. And
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then the other one related to President Donald Trump's handling
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of classified information. Jack Smith was allowed to kind of
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run these far-reaching investigations in that were kind of like
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the Russia collusion hoax in how they were targeted at
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political opponents, but on a much broader scale than the
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Russia collusion hoax. Because however awful the Russia collusion lie was,
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it was still only targeting certain Americans who really worked
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with Donald Trump. Whereas these prosecutions, particularly the one related
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to criticism of the election... ended up being a dragnet
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for entire conservative organizations, thousands of donors to Donald Trump,
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media organizations. And he apparently had next to no guardrails on. Oh,
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and he also got the privileged communications of senators, members
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of Congress, anyone who was his political opponent, he targeted.
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I would add that there were some honest liberal commentators
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who believed that the indictments were very weak on the
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January 6th stuff. So and that typically doesn't happen.
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So it was part of a even bigger operation, a
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lawfare operation that was organized by high profile Democrats and
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well-funded by their donors to put Donald Trump in prison
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to destroy his businesses, to destroy his family, to remove
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him from the ballot, which was a legitimate effort that
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the Washington Post typed that went all the way to
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the Supreme Court, and to put, in some cases, the
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entire Republican Party of a given state in prison. It
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was a big, massive effort to use lawfare To to
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to limit democracy all in the name of democracy. And
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it was unbelievably difficult to go up against, in part because,
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like you say, that the left was saying that that
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this indictment based on Donald Trump's speech was criticized. But
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in fact, most of the corporate media were all in
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on what Jack Smith was doing, running defense for him.
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And it was really hard to fight any of this.
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So I don't I don't want I don't want anyone
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to think I'm saying that the left in general was
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not cheerleading this. They 100 percent were. You remember when
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one of these cases, I forget which one it was,
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went to the Supreme Court and they. put it on
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their schedule as they normally would anything else. And everyone
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was like, there's a conspiracy to, to delay this decision
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until after the election to let Donald Trump not pay
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the price. You know, I mean, every, every step along
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the way, the media, the left-wing media was cheerleading this.
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And it is funny that you bring that up. And
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I mean, we're, we're, I'm still waiting to say the
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exciting stuff that happened for me today. And we're recording
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this on Tuesday, but, um, The way the prosecutions were
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run was not immediately after the events happened. They were
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intentionally delayed for maximum political effect. But then once they
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got going, after Jack Smith had delayed for years and
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DOJ had delayed for years, the Biden DOJ wanted to
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time this so that the prosecutions would keep Trump off
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the campaign trail and that they would be timed for
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maximum political effect ahead of the 2024 election. So after delay, delay, delay,
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then they were like, we got to do it right now.
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And so anytime someone didn't go along or if Trump
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appealed this or that, they would be, they would be
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very upset that their, their timeline was all ruined.
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Yeah.
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And there were a lot of bad judges involved with
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this effort. And it was part of a larger January
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6th effort where, you know, In Washington, D.C., there are
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lots of people who protest and maybe even protest inappropriately.
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And usually it's kind of a slap on the wrist
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type situation. When J6 happened, it was full hammer of
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the entire federal government brought down in a very destructive way,
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in a very uneven way. So, you know, if you
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disrupt a constitutional proceeding that is a Supreme Court confirmation
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for Brett Kavanaugh, you might get a $ 50 fine and
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you're on your way. If you disrupt a constitutional proceeding
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on January 6th, your life is over. So that type
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of disparate treatment. Okay. Today, Senator Grassley went through some things.
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We already knew that Jack Smith had violated the rights
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of various senators and members of Congress by spying on
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their communications and doing it without their knowledge. Today, we
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learned that Jack Smith had subpoenaed organizations or had, sorry, had,
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I think, surreptitiously gotten information about advertising buys on Fox
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News from conservative organizations such as TPUSA, that he had
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seized copies of checks, like $ 5 and $ 10 checks that
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people had made to the Trump campaign. Over 5,000 or
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almost 5,000 of them. Yeah. 5,000 Americans. And of course,
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you do have a right to give that money to
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political operations and campaigns.
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Phone numbers, emails, personal information, all of that.
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Bank routing numbers.
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Bank routing numbers.
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Yeah.
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And we also learned in the opening statement, Senator Charles
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Grassley revealed that as part of Jack Smith's dragnet, he
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had gotten communications from the National Archives that picked up
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journalistic communications from a number of media outlets, including the Federalist.
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And That was pretty shocking for us to find out.
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And over the course of the day, through our reporting,
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we were able to learn that the journalist in question
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whose communications were obtained was me. So that was, you know, it's...
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I'm not shocked in that I had reported on Jack
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Smith's egregious partisan behavior and i knew that he had
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no respect for rule of law when it came to
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seizing privileged communications i mean one of the big things
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that came out in this hearing today was how there
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was a taint team that was supposed to filter communications
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that he shouldn't have access to as part of his
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completely unconstitutional prosecution related to um the classified document mishandling.
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And even though the DOJ knew how to run taint
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teams and in other cases respected the taint team process,
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this is where you know you're filtering information using a
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team that can make sure that anything you get access
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to is stuff that you have a right to have
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and not stuff that you don't. And Judge Eileen Cannon
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had put a taint team into play for that situation
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down in Florida and that taint team completely disregarded their orders.
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So that was one of the things that came out.
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And then also, yes, this collection of information related to
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journalistic communication. So as a journalist, I am occasionally in
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contact with various members of an administration or senators or
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house members. And I don't know exactly which communications were
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picked up by Jack Smith, but it was definitely Journalism,
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it was journalism communications.
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Over the past few months, I guess, there has been
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a complete meltdown on left wing media because CNN and
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MSNOW and Politico had been barred from entering the White
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House press room and were banned from pool coverage. You
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would have thought the Republic was coming to an end.
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Do you think they're going to be upset? when they
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learned that a democratic administration prosecutor was spying on reporters
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and journalists? Or do you think they're going to act
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like when Obama spied on them? Because Obama also spied
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on the Associated Press. Obama tried to essentially put a
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Fox journalist in prison for doing journalism. And yet you're
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not going to hear a peep out of them about this.
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What's his name at CNN? That guy who left and
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came back?
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I forget his name. Brian Stetzer. Setzer, is that his name?
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Delter, I believe. Well, it's not just spying on journalists. Yes,
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it's true that there were other journalists who had their
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communications picked up and all of it is bad. I
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do think it's worth noting that I believe I alone
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in the journalists who were picked up here was... I,
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unlike those other media outlets that would work with DOJ
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in promulgating, for instance, the Russia collusion lie, I was...
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the only journalist who is actually uncovering what the FBI
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and Department of Justice did against the American people. And
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so it's bad in every case, whether you are friendly
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to DOJ or whether you're unfriendly to DOJ like me,
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but it does bother me more because of that. You know,
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when you're working on the same team in a propaganda
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operation like CNN did with Jack Smith, with everyone at
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DOJ who ran the Russia collusion lie, it is different
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to have your communications taken than when you're one of
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the only journalists who is fighting DOJ corruption and doing
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it at great personal cost and great difficulty, you know,
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all alone. And so it definitely bothers me more than CNN.
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For CNN and Jack Smith, when Jack Smith takes CNN communications,
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that's just like a friend looking in on another friend's email.
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When Jack Smith takes my communications, that's a much more
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hostile situation. The principle is the same. He shouldn't be
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seizing journalist communications, but or picking them up as part
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of their seizure of his real opponents, which would be
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Republicans in the White House. But it's worse in my
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case because I'm not working with Jack Smith on propaganda
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operations like The Washington Post was or CNN or The
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New York Times or Politico.
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Is there any means for you to uncover or figure
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out moving forward, what communications were seen by Jack Smith?
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I don't know. I mean, we're definitely pursuing all options here,
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but I don't even know how much I care precisely
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what it was because I don't want Jack Smith reviewing
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my journalistic communications with anyone.
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Of course. I'm just wondering if you're curious.
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I will say the timing issues in play are deal
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with both of his illicit prosecutions because I covered the election.
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I wrote a bestselling book about it, which was very
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well done, but which I protect my sources. I'm very
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good about protecting sources, which is why I'm able to
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have the access I have with high level people in
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all branches of government. And, you know, I, I, I'm
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diligent about how I operate.
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Can I ask you a specific question about what are
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we talking about here as far as communications go?
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Are we talking about emails, phone calls? Do you not
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know text?
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I think it would. I think it's in those. I
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think it could be any of those three. So I
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don't think it's it's like metadata on my phone because
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it was picked up incidentally, which doesn't make me feel
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any less a target, if you know what I mean,
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because if. they're going after Donald Trump and they're going
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after people who work for Trump. And if I'm communicating
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on the phone with Trump or his employees, I don't
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want Jack Smith knowing about any of that.
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Right.
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And they have a way of, so I.
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Wish I could remember. I wanted to say something. I
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was working on multiple stories. So One of the issues
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that Jack Smith was going after Trump for was his
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handling of classified documents. Let's leave aside that the president
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actually has the right to access classified documents and possess
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them and has declassification authority and all that. And this
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was the same DOJ that decided that Joe Biden... Yes,
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totally mishandled classified documents and did it over a period
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of decades. But he was such a doddering old fool
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that a jury in D.C. wouldn't prosecute him. So they
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just like let it go. But then on the other hand,
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Donald Trump, who's dealing with a deep state trying to
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coup him during his first term, a story that I
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covered extremely well and and have that I with the
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Federalist team have been awarded journalism honors for how how
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great we did with that story um i was covering
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that at that time continuing i mean it's a story
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i'm still covering uh is related to you know and
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some of it involved reporting on classified information and i'm
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not saying that this would have been picked up by
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jack smith here but He has every incentive as a
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good old DOJ guy to go after me. I am
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the one who really went after DOJ and FBI in
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a sustained fashion, along with my colleagues and a few
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other people outside the Federalist. And the incentive to destroy
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me is great. And him having access to information, even
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if he's going to claim that he didn't do anything
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inappropriate with it, it is enraging to me.
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Yeah, it should be.
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Okay, so much has gone on that it's difficult for
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me to keep all the lawfare going.
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2023. Right. Which is only a few years ago. But
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can we go over the.
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Indictments that Jack Smith threw at Donald Trump? One was
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January 6th and speech related. I remember writing pieces just saying, listen,
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if we. start indicting politicians for saying things we didn't like,
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then they'd all be in supermax. Basically, there there was
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just the whole premise of it was incredible.
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Do I have that right? Was that the first indictment?
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Yeah, it like you said, I mean, it was only
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a few years ago. And yet it can be kind
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of overwhelming because Jack Smith, I believe, did a superseding
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indictment And that's the one that we usually talk about,
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not his initial indictment. I don't really remember what was
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in the initial indictment. But basically, he laid out a
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case that Donald Trump, by opposing the manner in which
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the 2020 election was administered, which I'll just remind people
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was unlike any election we'd had in history, with flooding
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the zone with 100 million or tens of millions of
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mail-out ballots, with questionable security provisions, sometimes done in constitutionally
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questionable ways, like as in changes to election administration not
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being run through a state legislature, but by a, you know,
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Democrat secretary of state working with Mark Elias, you know,
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things like that. That by expressing criticism of that and
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by seeking redress for that, that he had conspired to
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defraud the government. And as you note, even at the time,
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people did say, this seems like an egregious attack on
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his speech rights. And Jack Smith, who had a personal
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political view about the administration of the election that differed
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from Donald Trump's, said that when Donald Trump was critical,
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along with tens of millions of Americans, that he was
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lying and conspiring to defraud the government. It was such
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a ridiculous case that people found it difficult to defend
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on any grounds. And yet it was no more ridiculous
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than the Colorado case to throw Trump off the ballot
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or the Fannie Willis case that she did with her
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boyfriend against criticism.
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What about 2000? What about Al Gore?
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What about every single person involved in the Russia collusion hoax?
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They all did the same thing. If you agree that
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Donald Trump said things that were untrue, let's say, or
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exaggerated or whatever, Al Gore did the same thing as
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his Democrats. In 2016, the entire establishment of D.C. decided
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to say that the election was stolen by the Russians.
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Is that similar? Yeah.
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That the 2000 election or the 2004 election, I think,
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are very similar. I would disagree that the Russia collusion
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lie was similar. So after 2000, when you had the
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entire Democrat apparatus taking a case, you know, all the way,
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you know, the people went to the Supreme Court to
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resolve the Florida recount issues. But particularly 2004, when people
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like Barack Obama and every other elected Democrat held hearings,
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who opposed the certification of that election.
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Oh, in Ohio, yeah.
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They had a theory that Karl Rove had stolen Ohio
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by controlling voting machines. Very similar to some of what
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you heard from Republican activists and elected officials about, you know,
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Venezuela-controlled voting machines. And you do have the right to
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disagree with how an election is administered, even if you
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think the person's crazy.
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To do it.
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You have that right. And Jack Smith was wrong to
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try to take the right away. The Russia collusion lie
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was different because in that case, the DOJ and FBI
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knew completely that it was a hoax and ran with
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the hoax for the purpose of undermining a duly elected president.
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That is so much worse than Barack Obama saying he
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thinks Karl Rove stole Ohio.
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Right. I agree with that. The people who... That's a
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soft coup.
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The people who are involved in that should have gone
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to prison, many of them, in my view. But I
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think a lot of Democrats just went along with it
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and said crazy things that didn't know what my my
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my my my only point there is that if disagreeing
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with how an election is won or saying that an
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election is stolen even is a criminal act, we're going
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to the jails and we'll.
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Be filled with people questioning the results of an election
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were a crime. or was a crime, the entire Democrat
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party would be in prison.
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Biden, Hillary Clinton, everyone said that the Russians stole the election.
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All right. So then there was another indictment.
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The other case dealt, which was moved to Florida, dealt
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with Trump's handling of classified documents. This was just kind
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of something where a guy at NARA, a political activist
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at NARA, tried to say that he didn't like how
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Trump was handling classified documents. And it became a federal case,
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even though there are routinely questions about presidents handling of documents,
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like Barack Obama is still in ongoing discussions with his
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handling of classified documents. And usually because it's the president
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and because this is kind of like murky, weird area,
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they just handle it through discussions and the like. In
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this case, it was part of this massive lawfare campaign
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to go after Trump on very serious grounds. And it
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was a little different because unlike the other presidents, Trump
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had been subjected to this coup attempt using classified documents.
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And so there it was a little more fraught. And
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I it's still unclear because the case was thrown out
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because Jack Smith was unconstitutionally appointed. So that's actually why
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the case was dismissed, that we will never really know
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what the documents in question were. But it has been
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suggested by people who I think. have reason to understand it,
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that the documents in question were related to the Russia
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collusion lie. And I mentioned all that again, because that
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was my story. And I was working in detail on that.
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You might recall that the woman Cassidy Hutchinson, who had
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been co-opted by Liz Cheney to dramatically change her story
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long after January 6th. So for like a year after
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January 6th, we have her private communications where she's saying,
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I don't know what they think. I don't know why
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they're going after like nothing we did was wrong. Nothing
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Trump did was wrong. She has a private meeting with
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Liz Cheney and all of a sudden she becomes the
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star witness. Peggy Noonan blurbs her book and says like,
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this woman is amazing. She has She has truly incredible stories,
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such as that Donald Trump lurched through the beast, his
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highly secured armored vehicle, to commandeer the beast and drive
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it to the Capitol. It was a story corroborated by
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zero people. She wrote a bestselling book for which she
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made a lot of money, which was riddled with lies
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that she knows are lies and she refuses to correct.
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including that she lied that I had obtained illicitly classified
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information and that she was privy to this somehow. It's
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actually completely made up what she put in there. But
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point being, this story is something where I know bad
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actors are trying to go after me for how it
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was that I was able to unravel the Russia collusion lie.
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And they're trying to use classified document handling as a
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way to go after me. And so Jack Smith having
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access at this time that I am reporting this story
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greatly concerns me.
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Yeah, I didn't mean to make light of it. I
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think it's an incredibly serious abuse of power against journalism itself,
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but especially this kind of highly partisan.
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Lawfare that was going on at the time.
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So.
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It is a serious matter, though I doubt Jack Smith
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will face any real repercussions for it.
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I don't know. What do you think? I mean, where
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can you take this? What can be done?
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I'm trying to find out what my options are and
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how best to proceed. He wasn't, I think he requested
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or sought a pardon or it was reported somehow that
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he was seeking a pardon from Joe Biden.
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Was he not one of them?
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What was that?
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Sorry. Was he not one of the people who was pardoned?
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I forgot to look at the list. Yeah, I don't
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believe not.
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But I think he was trying to but didn't get one.
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And I think, you know, he certainly behaves as if
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he's unafraid of any Republican effort to hold him accountable.
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And I don't blame him for that because Republicans are
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very bad at holding people accountable. But, you know, this
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was part of what that weaponization fund was designed to
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do was to take victims of the weaponization of the
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Department of Justice and give them some recourse. Republican senators
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and others fought to make sure that there wouldn't be
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a fund for people like the Federalist or me who
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had been targeted for our bravery and courage in taking
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down the Russia collusion lie. So I don't even know
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if that means that that we should pursue something there.
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But I'll look into it.
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I mean, just to be fair.
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I don't think people like him or or especially people
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who work in administrations who have the power to spy.
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He was an independent, right? Technically, like an independent prosecutor. right?
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Forget exactly.
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No, I mean, so he's a special counsel. We don't
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do so-called independent counsels anymore. And constitutionally speaking, they're not
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really because they are under DOJ. Right.
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And also Joe Biden, you know, you remember that.
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April, early April 2020, 22 story, I think, front page
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of the New York Times was like, hey, two people
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familiar with Joe Biden's thinking are really, say he's really
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upset that Merrick Garland hasn't put Jack Smith in to
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prosecute his political opponent. And then people have the audacity
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to say, oh, Joe Biden never directed the Department of Justice. Sure,
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if you don't count the front page of the freaking
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New York Times as one of the ways that he
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communicated with DOJ. So that is I completely reject this
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idea that Joe Biden asking Merrick Garland to appoint Jack
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Smith to go after his political opponents means that it
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was independent of the Department of Justice. It was.
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This has also always been so dumb because a president
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can tell his chief of staff to go talk to
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someone and that person talks to someone else. The message
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gets through if you really want to politicize these things.
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It was incredibly politicized. Merrick Garland, you're just reminding me
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of all the things that went on. But anyway, I
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just want to say that historically speaking, people like this
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00:31:03.069 --> 00:31:07.730
never really are held accountable, you know, and abuses of
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00:31:07.769 --> 00:31:10.430
power in this way are easy to get away with
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if we elect people who don't care about constitutional limits
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on power. And it just is what it is. I
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00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:17.799
just don't know. I mean, we've had we had the
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Obama administration spying on the Senate as well, spying on
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on reporters everywhere. And nothing happened to those people. In fact,
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they were on MSNBC or whatever it's called today, yelling
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about Donald Trump being a fascist. Anyway, it's been a
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crazy 10 years. I'll tell you that. When I think
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00:31:36.849 --> 00:31:40.730
about how quiet it was, there's like before Donald Trump
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and after Donald Trump, and it's just been insane.
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And I don't think it's going to slow down.
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A Federalist supporter named Dale writes, I read The Federalist
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00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:55.980
every day. because it reveals the stories behind the headlines
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on other news sites. It digs deeper into each topic
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and provides links so I can do the same. Dale,
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00:32:03.609 --> 00:32:06.150
thank you for those kind words. That's exactly what The
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Federalist strives to do every day. Ken and Julie, Federalist
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visiting us at thefederalist.com.
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That's thefederalist.com.
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00:32:33.130 --> 00:32:35.430
So, Molly, I think this has been a slow week.
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We have to be honest as far as politics goes.
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So we're going to go right to culture right now.
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On culture, I don't have a ton either, but I
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00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:45.700
do have something interesting, I think. The New York Times
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put out a list. It's 100 best TV shows of
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the 21st century. I am not a fan of the
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New York times, but I thought this list was okay.
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Like I thought it was okay.
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Had a lot.
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It had, I'm serious around 60 shows that I've watched,
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which makes me feel like I watch way too much
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television or I have been watching way too much television.
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I don't even know how I get any work done
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watching 61 shows. Um, I have some quibbles with it.
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And not just, by the way, have I watched 61
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of these shows in part or fully, but many of
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them I've watched numerous times, Justified, Deadwood, Breaking Bad. So
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the top shows of all time are Breaking Bad, The Wire.
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I'll give you the top five first. Breaking Bad, The Wire,
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Mad Men, Succession, Fleabag, and Game of Thrones. Have you
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watched any of those five shows in your life?
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I have, but just I want to say I didn't
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review this list. I do see these top shows. This
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seems like a list of what elite tastemakers think are
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the best TV shows of the 21st century. More than
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like this is certainly not what this is. This is
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a critical look. And I understand that that's fine. I
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haven't watched Breaking Bad because I can't handle drug stuff
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at that level. It makes me deeply uncomfortable. I love
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The Wire. I my kids were too young when Mad
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Men was on and I wasn't watching a lot of
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TV and I haven't watched Succession, which I realize I should.
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I have watched Fleabag. There we go. Was there another one?
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No, then let me just fill out the top 10.
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Game of Thrones, Veep, 30 Rock, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Atlanta.
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I have to actually say I agree. This is generally
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like a critics list, I would say. But, you know,
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there's like Modern Family. I would say 30 Rock is not.
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I mean, I'm sure it was critically liked, but I
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think that's a show people like. No, The Office is
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on here in the top 10. That's a show that
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was popular. Parks and Rec.
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There are shows I think Band of Brothers is on here. Survivor.
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That's kind of a populist television show, isn't it?
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Lost. Lost was a huge show with audiences. Anyway, I
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did notice something I wanted to... Well, unless you have
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something to say about that.
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Go on.
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I noticed something that most of these shows, a lot
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of the shows, I counted up the numbers somewhere, are
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have not been made or produced or did not premiere
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after 2020.
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Like I think.
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Prestige TV is, has not, it's ebbed since the, the aughts,
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like there was only one show in the top, uh,
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20 that was made after 2020 was a thing called,
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I may destroy you, which I've never heard of before
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reading it.
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It's some British show.
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And in the top 30, there were only three, uh,
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It was that show and then White Lotus, which I
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have never not watched.
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I think you did. And Severance, which I did.
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I watched like one season of Severance and I was
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it was definitely not enough to keep me.
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I think it's overrated.
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But then I noticed that most of the shows, more
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recent shows that are on here are actually not TV
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shows at all.
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They're just movies that are streamed like Adolescence. I looked
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it up. Where is a mayor of Eastwood? Normal people,
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the Queens.
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I liked mayor of Eastwood was good. Yes.
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And Chernobyl. But these are what, when we were kids,
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they would call like mini series. Maybe they're just like long,
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a long movie. They're not a TV show. They're not
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a series.
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I see that tax is on the list. And I, I,
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I think that is a show that is completely ruined
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by the millennial or whatever generation.
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Yeah.
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So-called comic on it. who doesn't do comedy. She just
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does woke 1.0, like, hate-mongering. And she is so awful
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that even though I pretty much liked every other part
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of the show, I can't watch it anymore because she's Hannah....
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Eisenbach or something?
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Yeah, I don't know.
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She is worse in real life than she is on
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that show. That's a genre that I hate. Here is
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the genre. There's an old-timey boomer or a Gen Xer,
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and then there's a young... you know, Gen Z-er and the, and,
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and they, they really don't get along. And in the end,
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the old person learns a lot of lessons from the
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young person when in real life, the opposite should be happening.
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The young person should be learning lessons from the older person. Um,
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I could not watch that show. Don't get me wrong.
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There's a lot on this list. I don't love, um,
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I was, you know, like the Gilmore, like I'm embarrassed
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by this list. I think this list, I think what
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I'm going to say now is probably going to embarrass
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people in my family.
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Slow Horses was in it.
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Yeah.
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But like the Gilmore Girls is on there and I'm like, yeah,
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I've watched every episode of the Gilmore Girls.
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It's like, and I think it's a fine show.
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But what I like about Gilmore Girls being on the list,
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I think it was ranked like 99.
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Yeah, 98 or something.
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Is that's a show that actual people watch. A lot
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of these shows are watched by everyone from, north of
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the financial district to south of Harlem. And I guess,
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like I said, this is very provincial.
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00:38:16.300 --> 00:38:17.550
All right.
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00:38:17.570 --> 00:38:19.389
So, well, can you, I don't know, this is just
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putting you on the spot, but what would be a show,
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for instance, that you think would be popular? Like the
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show that would be popular that with normal people that
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isn't popular with critics. Like, I thought of two shows
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00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:32.440
I'd watch that I probably would have put on here.
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00:38:32.539 --> 00:38:35.469
I think suits was a decent show and that was
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00:38:35.510 --> 00:38:42.110
pretty popular and billions was a decent show. Um, but
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00:38:42.289 --> 00:38:44.969
it has, it's always sunny in Philadelphia. It has, you know,
653
00:38:44.989 --> 00:38:47.050
it has kind of like some, I don't know. I
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00:38:47.070 --> 00:38:50.829
guess I don't know what, uh, critics, what critics like
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and what people like.
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I guess I don't know.
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00:38:54.429 --> 00:38:58.539
Anyway, it's a talker. You know what's on the list?
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00:38:58.579 --> 00:38:59.909
Number 63, The Thick of It. One of my favorite
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shows of all time.
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I think I've seen that one. Is that like a
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British political drama?
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00:39:04.250 --> 00:39:07.070
Yeah, Veep is essentially a remake of that show, but
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The Thick of It is much better.
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Is The Americans on the list?
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Yes. It's very high. That's a good show.
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00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:18.179
I'll watch any of those Graham Yost shows.
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00:39:19.219 --> 00:39:23.400
Someone, some emailer is constantly being... mad at me for
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00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:26.289
not watching it. It seems like a show that I
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00:39:26.309 --> 00:39:28.050
should definitely have already seen.
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00:39:28.809 --> 00:39:32.409
It's number 17 on the list well and i see
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that the diplomat is also on there and i do
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like the diplomat.
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Really i've never watched that here's what i.
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Had a problem russell another person from my youth growing
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up in my School district.
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So like in the top 20, I think Arrested Development's
677
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one of the funniest shows ever. But like Girls, I
678
00:39:49.610 --> 00:39:50.469
never watched it.
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I have no interest. You liked it.
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I did. Yes and no. I mean, it's definitely better,
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best if you take it as an indictment of left-wing feminism.
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Has Six Feet Under, which I did not.
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I watched some of it and I didn't ever really... I.
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Remember starting to watch that and how the whole the
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whole conceit is how weird it is that the family
686
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is in the mortuary business. But my mom's family was
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in the mortuary business. I'm just watching it like it's
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a show about my mom's family and everyone I was
689
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watching with. They were just like, oh, this is so weird.
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But I mean, it has Band of Brothers, which was
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really amazing. Schitt's Creek.
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I love Schitt's Creek.
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The pit.
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And I will say I've been rewatching 30 Rock. I
695
00:40:38.900 --> 00:40:41.739
was on the plane rewatching 30 watt rock and like
696
00:40:41.780 --> 00:40:46.480
laughing uncontrollably. And the person next to me was making
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fun of me.
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00:40:47.500 --> 00:40:49.920
I have to tell you something. Alec Baldwin's amazing in
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that show. He's so freaking funny. And there's that one
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episode where he does the whole, he does a whole
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00:40:55.309 --> 00:40:57.110
skit of good times and does all the parts.
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And it's so offensive. It's so hilarious.
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00:40:59.289 --> 00:41:04.070
That's great. He also, he also mocked my husband on
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00:41:04.110 --> 00:41:04.530
that show.
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00:41:04.820 --> 00:41:05.500
Oh yeah.
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00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:06.619
Oh yeah.
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00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:07.000
Yeah.
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A crowd pleaser.
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Every time you tell me that, it's like it comes
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00:41:12.269 --> 00:41:13.969
back to me and it makes me happy again.
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00:41:13.989 --> 00:41:21.480
I completely forgot. Anyway. That's it. I have. Do you
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00:41:21.500 --> 00:41:22.920
have any culture, by the way, other than that?
713
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:27.159
So after we taped last week's episode, we had some
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family in town. My my husband's mother was buried at
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Arlington last week. So I always feel like that's kind
716
00:41:35.050 --> 00:41:37.809
of a cultural experience to go through that. Although, because
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00:41:37.849 --> 00:41:41.170
she was the spouse of the military member, it's less
718
00:41:41.289 --> 00:41:46.469
pomp and circumstance than when the actual military member is interred.
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But it was good to see where she'll be and
720
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:52.619
see who her neighbors will be. I like to see who...
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00:41:52.500 --> 00:41:56.719
You know, you want good neighbors for your eternal resting place.
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And it was great to see my father-in-law. And then also...
723
00:42:01.090 --> 00:42:05.159
He's been really busy caring for his wife of many years,
724
00:42:05.659 --> 00:42:09.139
and she wasn't a fan of like football games or movies.
725
00:42:09.179 --> 00:42:10.780
So he was just hanging out at our house watching
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00:42:10.820 --> 00:42:12.920
football games and movies. And it was kind of delightful
727
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:18.070
to hear that sound in our house. And then on
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Saturday night, I did go see the Gorillas at Capital
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One Arena. You know that band, right?
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I've heard of them. I don't know them intimately.
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Originally, I was going to go with my girls, meaning
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my girlfriends, but with family being in town, it just
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didn't work out. So I went with one of the
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kids and we had a blast. It was a great show.
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I was prepared for him, for the lead singer to
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do something pro Hamas because he had a week earlier
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at a show and it had no politics at all.
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So I have no idea what happened there. I mean,
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at one point, He said something like, I can't come
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to Washington, D.C. and not tell you to vote. And
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my daughter was like, he doesn't even go here. Like,
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he doesn't even understand that you don't need to vote
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in Washington, D.C. because like your vote literally does not
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matter in Washington, D.C., no matter whom you're voting for.
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But I wondered if he had just wisely decided to
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step away from the Hamas love. And Oh, my church
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had our Oktoberfest on Sunday, which was great fun. And yeah,
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I was on the potato salad making committee. And I
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think we crushed it. It was really good. So this
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doesn't count as culture, does it?
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No, it is. Oktoberfest is culture.
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Lutherans, Oktoberfest, probably a lot of.
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Beer there, right? Yeah.
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And also I wore a dirndl to church and a
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bunch of people wore dirndls or lederhosen to People bring
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their actual steins from their real Oktoberfest trips. We have
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the best Oompa Loompa band in the region. We had
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really great music from our Bach Collegium and our choir.
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So it's good. Good times.
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Great.
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I don't have anything that interesting. I have a book
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to recommend that just came out. called The Grim, okay,
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I see you're about to say something. The Grim Old Days,
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The Introduction to the Pre-Industrial Past. It's like this just
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basically grim book about how life was before the industrial
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age by Chelsea Follet. I think that's how you pronounce
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her last name. It's a fantastic book. And I started
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watching The British Baking Show, one of my favorite shows.
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It was not on the list of the top 100
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greatest shows. Oh, maybe it was actually.
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I think it was. I have that wrong.
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Um, but I watch it for this reason, the reason Molly,
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all the British people on that show are the nicest people.
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And I just want, wish I, it's weird. I don't
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know if this is how they normally are, but they
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root for each other. They're, they're not that competitive and
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it's just a very mellow.
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Experience watching that show. Thank you.
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Making bread, et cetera. I see that you seem annoyed
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that I said something nice about the British.
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I don't know. No, it's fine. Yeah. I feel like
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it's weird how they select who to have on the show.
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It's a, it's, there's a guy, I'm not kidding you
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with this.
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What I'm about to say, there's a guy on the
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show who's in a throuple of men, throuple.
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Of men, three men.
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Um, so they always kind every, you know, there's usually
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one handicapped person when this kind of person, when that
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kind of person would, whatever, you know, what am I
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going to do?
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Um, I basically root in cultural form.
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So I want the throuple guy out immediately, you know,
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and I want it to go all the way to
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the old elderly gal who's married for 50 years.
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That's who I usually root for. More traditional, the more
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they have my support.
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I was only going to mention that I did finally
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finish Reformations. Really loved it. Fantastic book. And I want
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someone to recommend another book that would be good for
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me on that like that doesn't be on that topic
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or anything like that but just any really good non-fiction
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book would be great i'm reading some other non-fiction and
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fiction but if anyone has some big history book that
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might be of interest please email me at radio at
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the federalist.com.
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Thank you.
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Since you mentioned that, I read a book and I
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listen to a book. And the book I'm listening to,
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I love. I don't know how many people are going
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to be interested in this, but it's called 1177 B.C.,
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The Year of Civilization Collapsed by Eric Klein. It is
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about Bronze Age collapse and the Sea Peoples. I am
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fascinated by this topic. He also has a book, I
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think it's called After 1177.
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Yeah.
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And the beginning of the Iron Age, I guess. It's just,
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he is amazing. He's an archaeologist, really great.
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It's accessible, but yet it really does dig pretty deep. So, okay.
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If you'd like to reach the show, please email us
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at radio at thefederalist.com.
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We'll be back next week. Until then, be lovers of
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freedom and anxious for the fray.