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I'm trying to get to you,
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girl. Oh,
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oh, oh.
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I'm Adam Maness.
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And I'm Peter Martin.
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And you're listening to the You'll Hear It podcast.
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Music. Explored.
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Brought to you today by Open Studio.
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Go to openstudiojazz.com for all your jazz lessons needs. Peter, we're back.
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It feels like we're back.
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We're back.
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I mean, we were away.
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Where'd we go?
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I don't know. We were here, but we weren't doing anything.
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I'm feeling in the groove.
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Good.
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Yeah.
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About time.
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I know.
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My friend.
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I haven't been in the groove. I'm locked in right now.
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Yeah.
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Hey, we are... Speaking of back-
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Yeah
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... we're bringing something back.
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I know. I'm so excited about this.
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It's called the Speak Pipe. Many people have never heard of it.
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No.
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So we want to do a mailbag episode where we hear from you.
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If you go to youllhearit.com-
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Mailbag
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... If you go to youllhearit.com, you could leave us a message.
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So go to youllhearit.com. You could leave us a voicemail.
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We can't promise that you'll get your voicemail read on the air, but we are going
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to take some questions for the audience. It could be about anything.
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It could be about these albums, about the show, about music, whatever, Open Studio,
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you name it. It could be anything.
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I got a question.
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Yeah.
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How come you're all so dope? That's something someone could ask us.
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Is how come you're all so dope?
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Yes.
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Please ask us that.
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That's just an example. Feel free to say whatever you want.
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Peter's got ideas.
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Yeah.
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Peter, today, this is a continuation.
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I'm so excited.
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This is an evolution. So last season, as a crazy experiment-
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... we put on the docket Radiohead's 2000, in my opinion, masterpiece, Kid A.
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You had never really heard the album.
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We listened to it. You gave it a try. You seemed to like it.
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Yeah. You seemed to really like it.
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I was curious, and then I was enraptured-
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... somewhat.
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It's a fantastic album.
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And I got sold over pretty quickly, as I recall.
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So I'm hoping that energy continues, because during that time, we also did a bunch
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of polls on our Instagram. I did one on my personal Instagram about what is your
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all-time favorite Radiohead album.
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Now, being as Xennial as I am, I assumed it was gonna be Kid A.
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Not a thing.
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Not even close. It was the album that we're listening to today. It was In Rainbows.
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Wait, wait, wait. I thought we were listening to Robert Glasper and Brad Mehldau
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play. See, this is how he gets me in here.
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Adam's like, "We're gonna check out-"
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We totally could.
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Nothing. Radiohead.
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We totally could listen to a whole album of Robert Glasper and Brad Mehldau play
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Radiohead.
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But I joke.
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I-
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That would be fun, though
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... next, the next one, whenever we listen to OK Computer, I'm gonna tell you that
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it's that.
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An Adam Maness trio plays.
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Oh, yeah. No, we do a version of "Weird Fishes" here, which we're gonna talk about
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in a little bit.
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But no, we're doing In Rainbows. This was released in 2007.
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It has such an interesting release story, Peter, but before we get that-
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... release story going, let's listen to the first track, "15 Step."
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And again, we're kind of looking for Peter's reaction during.
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Can Radiohead keep Peter's attention past Kid A?
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I come running up, but I slow down. I come running up, but I want out.
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One, two, three, four, five, one, two.
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Won't take my eyes off the ball again. You reel me out and then you cut the string.
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I come running up, but I slow down. I come running up, but I want
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out. Won't take my eyes off the ball again.
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You reel me out and then you cut the string.
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That's me.
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Beautiful voice.
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What happened?
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So we're in 5/4 here.
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Starting off this album with an odd time signature.
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It's a great program.
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Album that sold 3 million copies.
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You know? It has it.
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That's a really great program drum sound.
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Oh, it sounds amazing.
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And then combined with the... That's Thom Yorke, right?
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Singing. I mean, like, the-
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Look at him. It's Thom Yorke singing.
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See, I know it wasn't Robert Glasper, at least. I think it's not.
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we talked about this last time. He has such a unique voice, but the way they have
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it placed here, very difficult to...
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With the guitar as sort of the bridge between the humanity of the voice and the
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potential automation. They're actually using the automation of the drums.
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They're not hiding from that.
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That's part of the shtick on this, and I love it.
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Well, during this whole era, they're flirting with this mechanical, industrial-
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... and then organic.
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Mechanical industrial complex. They took over Guitar Center. It's a big problem.
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I believe it is a mix of acoustic and electric drums throughout this, but-
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... that program drums is so strong here.
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And I love these chords here that make up the main riff of the song.
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It's like an A flat minor
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... major to an E flat minor. It's like in A flat Dorian mode, which is kind of an
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odd mode for-
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... one of these kinds of songs.
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It's a kind of forlorn... It's nostalgic, but kind of-
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... wistful.
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Wispy, forlorn, a little bit.
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It's-
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Evocative of a mansion in the rain, in-
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... somebody would be eating Yorkshire pudding.
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No, they're eating Yorkshire pudding.
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We're gonna get to that.
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We're gonna get to that. No, it's interesting because I think this is a great-
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Who took my pudding? Sorry. That was random.
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No, that's Jonny Greenwood. This sounds just like that.
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Who took my pudding?
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But no, it's a really high energy first track.
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It's not my favorite first track on a Radiohead album.
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I don't think you can do better than "Everything in Its Right Place" in my opinion.
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Wait, did you just say, "It's not my favorite" and Radiohead in the same sentence?
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I never thought I'd hear the day.
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I have many opinions. But I think it's awesome.
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I think it sets the stage for what this is.
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What is great about "15 Step" is that it sets the stage with what makes In Rainbows
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so good, and what makes it so popular-
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... is because In Rainbows is Radiohead sort of getting back to a very
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guitar-based sound.
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When we listen to Kid A, lots of synthesizers, lot of like-
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But that was very intentional, right? As I recall.
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Very intentional. They were getting away from guitar-based sounds.
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Right. A little bit of a reaction.
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We want some more atmospheric stuff, right?
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We want some of ambient music's influences.
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And this is them going back to a little bit of a great mix between some of that
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program drums-
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... and the sort of ambient synths.
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But almost the entire album, the guitars have really come back to take the lead as
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the instrument. Whereas throughout Kid A, throughout Amnesiac, even Hail to the
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Thief, the piano is pretty heavy on all that, and all the keyboards are pretty
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heavy on that.
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So I think that's why this is so successful.
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It's like they're at a place in their career where they're balancing these two
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things.
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Yeah. Well, it's interesting. I think you mentioned as we were prepping beforehand,
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that this album, In Rainbows, has had a resurgent-
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100%
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... resurgence amongst... We think of this, oh, it's 2007, which was just a few
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years ago. No, that would be 19 years ago, my friend.
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I know.
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But you said with younger folks, kind of 20s now?
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Well, no. These would be 30s.
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Oh.
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Basically millennials-
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... who were teenagers in 2007.
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Oh.
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So for me, in 2007, I'm almost 30 years old.
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You know what I mean? So for me, nostalgic Radiohead is OK Computer.
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Right.
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It's from 1997.
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Interesting.
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It's from 2000, right?
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And so Radiohead had such a big
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high point of their career, such a good peak.
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Over the course of probably 12 years, they were really at a good artistic peak,
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that this is, I think, their last great album, in my opinion.
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I love the last two albums. I think they're wonderful, but I think this is when
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they really had their last great artistic push.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so for me, a mid millennial, a young millennial, I think they feel very
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nostalgic about this album because whenever we talk...
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First of all, they're a huge generation. They're a lot of people.
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It is, right.
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So in all those polls that I was talking about, they just, In Rainbows just
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crushed.
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And I think when I talk to a lot of Gen X Radiohead fans-
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... it's always Kid A, OK Computer.
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This is past the-
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Right. So you're kind of... Yeah, now I'm seeing how you're sort of straddling
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between that, because I know you love this album, but there's definitely some...
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When we first talked about which Radiohead, we had a little meeting about it,
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remember?
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Yeah.
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And you thought this was gonna be a meeting of equals. It was not.
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It was me saying, "Well, whatever.
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Whatever one you like best, go with that one."
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But it's interesting, too, and just saying because it's been resurgent because
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this, I see the notes here. It did sell 3 million copies in the first year, so it
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wasn't a slow burn-
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That's-
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... I would imagine
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... for 2007, that's really, really good.
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Right, and no big hits on it or anything really.
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No, it's a Radiohead album.
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Yeah.
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There never is.
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There never is. And was the best-selling vinyl record of 2008.
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But this is-
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Talk about a little mini resurgence on vinyl
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... this is right before vinyl was about to start even resurging.
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So, and-
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It sold 17 copies on vinyl.
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Best album.
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Which in 2008, that puts you on the chart.
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Kind of. Well, it sold 16.
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Another interesting thing about the release of In Rainbows-
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... which I remember this happening because I thought it was so cool and so
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interesting.
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Yeah.
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There was very little press around the release.
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I think they announced it the week before.
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Yeah.
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"Hey, we're coming out with our new album." They were off of a major label.
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Right.
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So they left, what was it, EMI, I think, is the label they were on?
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They left EMI, and they were Self-releasing this, and for the digital
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download, it was pay what you want.
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I remember this now. This was really the first time at scale anyone had done this,
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right?
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It was kind of a big deal.
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It was a very big deal.
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And I remember buying this for $5 because I was a traveling musician.
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I was like, wait-
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And wasn't there even like a thing with...
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They even had something variant on it with iTunes, with Apple iTunes, where you
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could get it on the store.
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No, I don't remember.
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It was some kind of funny pricing or something.
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Oh, maybe like later.
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Or maybe they were trying to get a pay and they were-
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Yeah
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... Steve Jobs was like...
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No, you could go to Radiohead's website and literally put in $0 if you wanted to.
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Right.
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But you know what's funny is, no one knows for sure, but I read that they probably
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averaged
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between $6 and $8.
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Yeah
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And because there was no label in between, this was, for them, a very commercially
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successful album.
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Interesting.
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Because they kept all of the money.
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Right.
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That they made. So-
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Mostly on virtual product, not on...
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Yeah. So there's no overhead.
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Yeah.
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So I'm sure they sell however many copies of Kid A on CD for
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$16.99 and $19.00.
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Yeah
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Maybe more than this. This-
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Wholesale price, $6 or $7 or something.
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Yeah, exactly.
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With the label on it.
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And then the label takes and their whatever.
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This is like all them, which is really smart.
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Interesting, yeah
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Especially if you have that kind of power.
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I feel like Prince around this time, maybe it was a little later, or maybe at the
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same time, was definitely trying some things like this, too.
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Yeah.
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It was such an interesting kind of Wild West, like what's going to...
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Yeah
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Everyone still loves music, but how is it going to be consumed?
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Because it was post-Napster mostly.
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Totally. There was the Napster scare, and this is the bands being like, "No, we can
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do this ourselves."
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And remember the labels were trying to do some jankety online, where you had to
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sign up for the... But you could only get stuff on that label.
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Apple was really the only one to have kind of figure it out with the iTunes.
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Yeah
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But even that was like plug in the iPod and-
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Yeah
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... which was fun.
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There were like, so the comedian Louis C.K., I remember he'd sell his specials off
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of his website.
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Mm.
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You could pay $10 or whatever for-
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Right
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... a digital download of the special instead of on iTunes or whatever.
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So this was that time where people were really taking advantage of that
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post-Napster, pre-Spotify-
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Yeah
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... kind of vibes.
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Yep.
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Okay. The second track is "Bodysnatchers."
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And again, driving guitars. This is not something you would hear-
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Right
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... three or four years ago as much.
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I do not
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understand
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What it is
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I've done wrong
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For mother old
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checks the post
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And itchy eyed won't forget
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To know
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me
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I have no idea what I talk
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about
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I'm chasing ideas that got
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away Ooh
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I feel like those single note synth lines.
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Yeah.
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It's like when you hear Stevie layering the single note synths-
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Yeah
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... in his classic era. This is classic era Radiohead, where you hear those warbly
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single note synths that come in-
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Yeah
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... and create this eerie line.
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And they're almost more affecting the music harmonically than melodically.
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Their melody line's almost secondary to the harmony.
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That's what came in and-
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Yeah
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... kind of pushed things. Very interesting.
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I have no idea what I talk about
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The last words I remember Someone said of you
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Wow, this is one vocal take.
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Yeah.
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Left virtually untouched.
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First take.
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Interesting.
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And again, the warbly synth,
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and the harmony there.
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And he's so... The tom drum is so far placed back in the mix.
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Yeah. Yeah, on top of-
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It's kind of tucked right in there
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... it's what I love about the way they-
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Much more than the first record
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... I love the second half of the song.
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Now this,
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as little as I know about Radiohead, as soon as I hear that kind of...
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Was that keyboard or guitar?
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That's acoustic guitar.
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Man, I would immediately know it's Radiohead. To me, this is classic.
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It broke into a run And I scared from the end And I
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scared from the end I
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raised a
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glass to see
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Just gorgeous. They have so many songs that are like this, that are kind of like A,
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B, A, B, C.
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Mm-hmm.
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In the last minute and a half-
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It's something, yeah
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... it's something completely different. And always so harmonically interesting.
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Like, if that were in the hands of another sort of rock band from that time, it's
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going to stay pretty straightforward.
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The producer's going to be like, "No, guys, we've got to keep it-
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Yeah
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... palatable or whatever."
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Yeah
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But they're adding all this, like when that warbly synth comes in and it's going to
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those weird minor six chords-
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Yeah
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... and minor major seven chords, and then the end has these the classic,
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like the minor chord over the third.
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Yeah.
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That's another huge thing with their harmony. I love it, man.
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I'm such a sucker for it. Hey, everyone, taking a break real quick.
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We throw around a lot of music theory terms here in the show.
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If you're Googling things like what is a triad, or-
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Hold on. I'm Googling what is a triad.
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Okay
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... or what is a Lydian chord?
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How do you spell Lydian?
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You don't have to play that, bro.
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Okay. Sorry.
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Good news. We have all the answers for you in the Liner Notes.
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You'll find the Liner Notes companion guide with clear, simple explanations of the
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concepts we explore in this episode in the episode description.
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Download the Liner Notes for this episode for free today.
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The next track, this is actually one of their oldest songs.
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Mm.
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They could never find a version that they liked in all their years of recording
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until 2007. This is called "Nude."
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Don't
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care that
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bigger tears
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That are
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gonna burn
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The contrasting textures here are the dry drums and the wet vocals.
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Yeah.
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Mm.
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New pages of white
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reflect all
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There's so much intentionality to their harmonic progression.
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Yeah
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Very clear and like...
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Something missing
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I mean, we talked about this when we talked about OK Computer, but it's no wonder
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that a lot of modern jazz musicians really respond to this music well.
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You could hear
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someone, like a young modern jazz musician-
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Right
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... writing a tune that sounds like this.
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Yeah, and I think for folks that are like, "What are you talking about?
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This isn't jazz. How the hell do you hear that?" There's a
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certain type of...
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I mean, it's really composition. I mean, yes, there's the songwriting part of it,
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but I think for this kind of thing, it's really the composition that could be any
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style. I don't even know what we would call this style or genre.
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But when a jazz musician hears it, we're connecting, I would say primarily
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with the harmony, and how the harmony changes.
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And that's what we talk about, the changes.
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Yeah
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It's primarily a harmonic thing, and then we start thinking about, "Oh, how could
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we adapt that?" Not necessarily just...
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I know a lot of times we get a bad rap for like-
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Yeah
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... mess it up and ruin it.
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Yeah
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But it's more like, is there something there that inspires us?
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Not unlike the tradition coming out of the bebop musicians taking- A Cole Porter
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song
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Great American Songbook songs
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Great American Songbooks
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And it is the harmony. And-
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I know. Because if it doesn't have that, you have to manufacture it
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Yeah
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Which we might do anyway.
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Yeah, we might do. But also, I think it's the way the melody and the harmony
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interact.
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Yes, for sure.
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There's a lot of these long, held notes where the harmony changes underneath in an
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interesting way.
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Right
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That's like a Wayne Shorter thing. You know what I mean?
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But if you think about the great pop songs that have beautiful melodies, and they
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don't have those necessarily interesting things with the harmony underneath.
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When a jazz musician would take that, we have to create all that ourselves, right?
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Yeah
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And maybe we shouldn't be, but that's what we do.
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Whereas with this type of material, I can definitely hear it on that.
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And I correct myself, there was a hit. This was actually a top 40 hit.
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This was in the US and the UK.
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Okay, it was? Oh, interesting.
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Yeah. Number 37
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Wow
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But-
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First US top 40 hit since Creep.
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Right.
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Crazy.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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Well, as you said before, that was not their jam-
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No
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... to put out a bunch of singles. What was I... Oh, yeah.
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So the harmony underneath, when there's already some interesting things, actually,
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we don't need to do as much with this type of material.
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Same way with a great standard tune that you don't have to re-harmonize and stuff.
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So it
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more, I think, comes from a fairly organic place for jazz musicians to take
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different- It's not about like, "Oh, let me jazz up Radiohead because I always
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love that, but now I want to turn it into what I want to do." It's more like we
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hear something there. We hear possibilities-
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Yeah
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... beyond that, but not like we're having to take it apart so much we should've
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just written our own tune. Although some people say that.
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It's true, it's true.
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But when it's done well-
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When it's done well
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... when it's done well-
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It feeds us
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... it's an extension, maybe, of it
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It feeds us enough nutrients
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Right
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... musical nutrients that we can really dig in.
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You're saying it feeds our soul.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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The next track is, this might be my favorite track on the album
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Yep
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... so much so that I got a little surprise for everybody after we listen to it.
526
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This is "Weird Fishes."
527
00:20:24,222 --> 00:20:24,492
Hmm.
528
00:20:47,172 --> 00:20:49,632
I love the bass here. In fourths.
529
00:20:51,882 --> 00:20:52,782
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
530
00:20:53,082 --> 00:20:53,862
Now it's an octave
531
00:20:54,042 --> 00:20:54,222
Yeah.
532
00:20:54,282 --> 00:20:54,882
Yeah, nice.
533
00:20:57,553 --> 00:20:59,067
I wish there was a simple way to learn that.
534
00:21:02,967 --> 00:21:02,997
Me too.
535
00:21:02,997 --> 00:21:03,372
More soon
536
00:21:15,147 --> 00:21:17,412
Down in the deepest ocean
537
00:21:21,222 --> 00:21:23,202
The bottom of the sea
538
00:21:26,952 --> 00:21:30,042
Your eyes
539
00:21:31,392 --> 00:21:35,053
They turn me
540
00:21:40,272 --> 00:21:42,732
Why should I stay here
541
00:21:46,542 --> 00:21:47,712
Why should I stay
542
00:21:47,742 --> 00:21:48,072
Can
543
00:21:53,412 --> 00:21:55,482
we get an angsty movie to throw this-
544
00:21:56,053 --> 00:21:58,542
Oh, I'm sure there's been a few movies this has been on
545
00:21:59,263 --> 00:22:00,162
... this soundtrack on now? Teenage angst
546
00:22:00,432 --> 00:22:06,252
I'd be crazy not
547
00:22:06,372 --> 00:22:07,888
to follow where you lead
548
00:22:07,888 --> 00:22:08,772
It's just keeps building.
549
00:22:10,752 --> 00:22:11,412
Adding layers
550
00:22:11,442 --> 00:22:11,502
Yeah
551
00:22:11,517 --> 00:22:12,912
... things are swirling.
552
00:22:14,412 --> 00:22:19,287
We play this song in my trio, and maybe we'll do a version for this show, but
553
00:22:20,682 --> 00:22:24,837
I tried to figure out the pattern in that swirling main guitar, and it's not
554
00:22:24,882 --> 00:22:26,442
random, but it's also not-
555
00:22:26,472 --> 00:22:27,222
It's not square.
556
00:22:27,312 --> 00:22:27,567
Yeah.
557
00:22:27,702 --> 00:22:27,732
Right
558
00:22:27,747 --> 00:22:29,562
It's like they're kind of just playing it.
559
00:22:29,622 --> 00:22:29,696
Yeah
560
00:22:29,712 --> 00:22:33,807
And I think whoever is playing that, probably Jonny Greenwood, is doing whatever
561
00:22:33,822 --> 00:22:34,632
he wants with it. You know?
562
00:22:34,662 --> 00:22:37,752
But it's interesting, too. You hear as the different layers come in, as the
563
00:22:37,782 --> 00:22:43,707
intensity grows, the one thing that's not changing, I don't think at all, is
564
00:22:43,752 --> 00:22:45,717
the drum groove. Well, you have that cymbal crash-
565
00:22:45,792 --> 00:22:45,912
Yeah
566
00:22:45,928 --> 00:22:47,502
... which hasn't been there in a while. Now it's opening up.
567
00:22:47,562 --> 00:22:48,192
Now it's opening up.
568
00:22:48,282 --> 00:22:50,862
So that was a long way of disciplining that same pattern-
569
00:22:50,922 --> 00:22:51,222
For sure
570
00:22:51,252 --> 00:22:55,077
... but using the other elements, whereas the drums is the most obvious one.
571
00:22:55,152 --> 00:22:56,112
Now you save that.
572
00:22:58,362 --> 00:23:00,641
Now you got it. Everything's open, right?
573
00:23:01,872 --> 00:23:04,572
They'll take everything
574
00:23:04,992 --> 00:23:07,872
Now there's guitars, there's synths serving.
575
00:23:08,967 --> 00:23:10,632
Yeah. Definitely more guitar heavy over the right
576
00:23:10,752 --> 00:23:12,582
As long as you lead It's
577
00:23:14,053 --> 00:23:15,732
my turn
578
00:23:16,513 --> 00:23:20,832
And then he moves into that background vocal, which has a lot more verb and effect
579
00:23:20,922 --> 00:23:21,042
on
580
00:23:21,132 --> 00:23:22,722
I'm drawn by the worms
581
00:23:22,752 --> 00:23:25,482
Hmm. And then all of a sudden, it feels like we're in a fish tank
582
00:23:26,202 --> 00:23:28,032
Weird fishes
583
00:23:28,122 --> 00:23:29,622
And all of a sudden, his voice is dry.
584
00:23:29,922 --> 00:23:30,492
Totally dry.
585
00:23:31,932 --> 00:23:33,492
But it's a weird fish. A dry fish.
586
00:23:38,652 --> 00:23:41,622
Drawn by the worms Weird fishes
587
00:23:44,982 --> 00:23:46,946
Weird fishes
588
00:23:49,602 --> 00:23:52,242
It's a great build, and break it down
589
00:23:52,272 --> 00:23:56,112
Weird fishes
590
00:24:38,622 --> 00:24:40,032
Guitars are back in it now
591
00:24:41,592 --> 00:24:42,612
Yes
592
00:24:47,682 --> 00:24:48,492
Again, it's that
593
00:24:50,922 --> 00:24:52,481
two distinct sections.
594
00:24:52,782 --> 00:24:52,932
Yeah.
595
00:24:53,022 --> 00:24:54,852
This is the whole end of the song is totally different
596
00:24:54,972 --> 00:24:55,122
Right
597
00:24:55,242 --> 00:24:56,022
It's not going to go back.
598
00:24:56,172 --> 00:24:56,742
Two stories.
599
00:25:00,882 --> 00:25:01,002
Yeah.
600
00:25:01,017 --> 00:25:04,002
Yeah, once they broke down without the drums, it was like either going to stay
601
00:25:04,032 --> 00:25:08,382
there or if they came back in, which they did, it's something different.
602
00:25:08,472 --> 00:25:14,382
It's great. Man, their use of large form within these
603
00:25:15,162 --> 00:25:20,067
songs that are not that long, actually, but each one kind of feels epic because of
604
00:25:20,112 --> 00:25:24,072
their mastery of form and balance in terms of how the music is presented.
605
00:25:24,132 --> 00:25:24,432
Totally
606
00:25:24,492 --> 00:25:27,582
Which is really certainly the composition, but also the production.
607
00:25:27,642 --> 00:25:30,942
And one thing about In Rainbows is this might be the most complete album where
608
00:25:30,972 --> 00:25:34,032
there's really no filler on it. Every song is very, very solid.
609
00:25:34,362 --> 00:25:38,203
Not that there's ever that many skippable tracks at all on a Radiohead album, but
610
00:25:38,232 --> 00:25:41,997
man, everything is so slamming on this.
611
00:25:41,997 --> 00:25:43,047
And this song in particular-
612
00:25:43,122 --> 00:25:44,652
Everything's in its right place, is that what you're saying?
613
00:25:44,712 --> 00:25:45,912
Yeah, everything's in its right place.
614
00:25:47,292 --> 00:25:50,112
Hey, Peter, remember last week I made a lesson to teach beginners how to play
615
00:25:50,203 --> 00:25:52,393
"Isn't She Lovely" from Songs in the Key of Life?
616
00:25:52,513 --> 00:25:52,813
Mm-hmm.
617
00:25:54,042 --> 00:25:54,942
I did it again.
618
00:25:55,393 --> 00:25:57,672
Oops. He did it again.
619
00:25:58,033 --> 00:25:59,652
No, not yet. That's later this season.
620
00:25:59,712 --> 00:25:59,727
Okay.
621
00:25:59,742 --> 00:26:02,652
Yeah. No, I took a song from In Rainbows. I took "Weird Fishes."
622
00:26:02,802 --> 00:26:06,013
And I made a lesson aimed at people who have never played piano before.
623
00:26:06,072 --> 00:26:09,972
So if you want to learn how to play "Weird Fishes" on the piano and you've never even
624
00:26:10,152 --> 00:26:12,792
touched a piano before, or maybe you took lessons years ago, I don't know.
625
00:26:12,942 --> 00:26:13,302
Yeah.
626
00:26:13,393 --> 00:26:14,772
I'm going to show you how to do that.
627
00:26:14,832 --> 00:26:20,022
It's starting to become a little bit of a club. A little bit of a club for players.
628
00:26:20,172 --> 00:26:22,272
Oh, so you're saying like a Players Club.
629
00:26:22,332 --> 00:26:23,772
A little bit of a Players Club.
630
00:26:23,787 --> 00:26:24,162
Nice. I like it.
631
00:26:24,357 --> 00:26:26,442
Yeah. I've been having such a blast making these lessons.
632
00:26:26,622 --> 00:26:29,247
I show you exactly what to do, where to put your hands.
633
00:26:29,292 --> 00:26:32,982
We even had our producer, Liz, try this, and she is nailing it.
634
00:26:33,042 --> 00:26:34,752
Really? I didn't even know Liz had a piano.
635
00:26:34,932 --> 00:26:35,441
Me either.
636
00:26:35,906 --> 00:26:36,328
That's awesome.
637
00:26:36,582 --> 00:26:40,063
This is a bit of a first for Open Studio, where we're teaching even early beginners
638
00:26:40,092 --> 00:26:40,513
how to play.
639
00:26:40,768 --> 00:26:44,802
Right. And this is not a free offering, we want to be clear, but it is a value pack
640
00:26:44,893 --> 00:26:46,092
offering, so I'm excited about it.
641
00:26:46,152 --> 00:26:49,332
It really is. So go check it out. I'll teach you how to play "Weird Fishes."
642
00:26:49,692 --> 00:26:52,002
And you can learn how to play "Isn't She Lovely," too.
643
00:26:52,242 --> 00:26:54,462
We're calling this series of lessons the Players Club.
644
00:26:54,522 --> 00:26:57,252
You can find out more at the show notes. Go check it out.
645
00:26:57,732 --> 00:26:58,393
Now, I mean-
646
00:26:58,542 --> 00:26:59,277
Track number five, right?
647
00:26:59,292 --> 00:27:00,867
Track number five. Now we're really getting into-
648
00:27:00,867 --> 00:27:01,317
We're getting into the-
649
00:27:01,347 --> 00:27:02,622
... some great stuff. This is "All I Need."
650
00:27:34,617 --> 00:27:35,862
F, Ph.
651
00:27:37,408 --> 00:27:40,557
I'm the next act
652
00:27:41,908 --> 00:27:45,492
waiting in the wings.
653
00:27:51,117 --> 00:27:56,697
I'm an animal trapped in
654
00:27:56,877 --> 00:27:59,188
your car.
655
00:28:04,917 --> 00:28:10,768
I am all the days that you choose to
656
00:28:10,888 --> 00:28:12,507
ignore.
657
00:28:23,908 --> 00:28:26,638
You are all I need.
658
00:28:29,217 --> 00:28:32,067
You're all I need.
659
00:28:33,057 --> 00:28:34,677
What I love about this is where it sits.
660
00:28:34,977 --> 00:28:39,328
So we're coming out of the thickest song on the album, just those swirling guitars
661
00:28:39,357 --> 00:28:41,427
and synths for four minutes.
662
00:28:41,518 --> 00:28:41,967
Yeah.
663
00:28:41,997 --> 00:28:44,247
And then we just go to a bass line and a vocal.
664
00:28:44,337 --> 00:28:44,547
Yeah.
665
00:28:44,847 --> 00:28:45,283
Simple drum beat.
666
00:28:45,297 --> 00:28:49,197
And I love that this was assembled from four different takes.
667
00:28:49,287 --> 00:28:49,797
Oh, really?
668
00:28:49,888 --> 00:28:54,252
Yes. And they actually did this in some other places in the album, but this is kind
669
00:28:54,297 --> 00:28:57,013
of the thickest version of that. Vocals from one take, drums from another,
670
00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:01,901
and they kind of picked all the best bits, then forced them together.
671
00:29:01,917 --> 00:29:05,007
Thom Yorke called it deliberate disembodiment.
672
00:29:05,578 --> 00:29:05,967
Wow.
673
00:29:06,057 --> 00:29:06,747
Yeah.
674
00:29:06,987 --> 00:29:10,796
Next up, we've got "Faust Arp." These are featuring strings from the Millennia
675
00:29:11,097 --> 00:29:13,302
Ensemble, conducted by Sally Herbert.
676
00:29:14,217 --> 00:29:14,877
Y2K.
677
00:29:15,147 --> 00:29:16,302
Everton Nelson.
678
00:29:16,347 --> 00:29:16,707
What's up?
679
00:29:16,947 --> 00:29:18,597
This is a great song. This is-
680
00:29:18,627 --> 00:29:19,317
You survived
681
00:29:19,467 --> 00:29:20,247
... "Faust Arp."
682
00:29:23,847 --> 00:29:25,587
One, two, three, four.
683
00:29:25,707 --> 00:29:31,018
Wakey wakey, rise and shine. It's on again, off again, on again.
684
00:29:31,047 --> 00:29:32,203
And watch me fall like-
685
00:29:32,277 --> 00:29:32,757
One, three
686
00:29:32,967 --> 00:29:34,813
... a falling nose. Pretty patterns-
687
00:29:34,917 --> 00:29:36,057
Oh, it's up
688
00:29:36,297 --> 00:29:41,786
... in the back of my eye. And tingling, tingling, tingling is what you feel.
689
00:29:41,847 --> 00:29:46,513
No, what you are to, what you are to. Reasonable is sensible.
690
00:29:47,022 --> 00:29:47,522
Good.
691
00:29:47,097 --> 00:29:49,977
Deaf from the neck up. I guess I'm stuck.
692
00:29:50,817 --> 00:29:53,427
I think that's the Radiohead.
693
00:29:53,442 --> 00:29:54,942
You thought you had it enough.
694
00:29:55,347 --> 00:29:55,497
Yeah.
695
00:29:56,067 --> 00:29:58,677
No, no.
696
00:29:58,707 --> 00:29:59,847
Well, who was it? They called it-
697
00:30:00,507 --> 00:30:05,337
Squeeze the tubes and empty bottles. I take a bow, take a bow, take a bow.
698
00:30:05,533 --> 00:30:06,177
It's what you feel
699
00:30:06,207 --> 00:30:09,042
... Thom Yorke called it their "Revolver," this album.
700
00:30:09,268 --> 00:30:10,828
Oh, that makes total sense, actually.
701
00:30:10,842 --> 00:30:11,908
Yeah. He called it Radiohead's-
702
00:30:12,027 --> 00:30:12,297
Oh, that's-
703
00:30:12,313 --> 00:30:12,792
... later on
704
00:30:12,897 --> 00:30:13,677
... super interesting.
705
00:30:13,828 --> 00:30:13,842
Yeah.
706
00:30:13,857 --> 00:30:15,582
Wow. I never heard that.
707
00:30:15,837 --> 00:30:19,227
This is also the earliest I've ever heard Thom Yorke enter a song.
708
00:30:19,677 --> 00:30:21,388
Yeah. He comes right away.
709
00:30:21,417 --> 00:30:25,647
He's usually like, "Get the vibe happening, then I'll get there when I get there.
710
00:30:25,977 --> 00:30:27,207
Let me know when the party's started."
711
00:30:27,237 --> 00:30:27,763
So true too.
712
00:30:27,807 --> 00:30:30,087
"Let me know when the angst is elevated, then I'm entering."
713
00:30:30,222 --> 00:30:30,897
Great call.
714
00:30:31,617 --> 00:30:34,677
No. Tell me, baby, that I can go.
715
00:30:34,737 --> 00:30:35,487
Yeah, but it's very
716
00:30:36,837 --> 00:30:39,688
Beatlesque. And with the strings super present.
717
00:30:39,807 --> 00:30:39,957
Yeah.
718
00:30:40,422 --> 00:30:42,477
Whenever the Beatles bring in the strings, they'll be like, boom.
719
00:30:43,317 --> 00:30:44,787
There's no real reason.
720
00:30:46,857 --> 00:30:49,138
Ooh, that's a well-recorded, well-played guitar.
721
00:30:51,447 --> 00:30:55,078
The balance between the bass tenor strings and the...
722
00:30:56,908 --> 00:30:59,908
And then the low bass comes in there for the first time.
723
00:31:01,737 --> 00:31:03,057
I wouldn't be surprised if they even spent
724
00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:08,397
tens of hours mixing each of these tracks.
725
00:31:08,487 --> 00:31:08,502
For sure.
726
00:31:08,502 --> 00:31:10,586
There's a lot of intentionality in the mix.
727
00:31:10,737 --> 00:31:18,658
But
728
00:31:18,672 --> 00:31:19,768
I-
729
00:31:23,967 --> 00:31:25,467
Two minutes, that's all you need. Yeah.
730
00:31:25,513 --> 00:31:28,138
And so when we talk about mix, I know sometimes people are like, "What do you mean
731
00:31:28,167 --> 00:31:33,897
they spend time mixing it up when they're playing songs?" No, after the track is
732
00:31:33,987 --> 00:31:38,067
finished, I have the feeling with them too, correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Radiohead.
733
00:31:39,027 --> 00:31:41,607
Let me text Robert Glasper, see who can out-Radiohead who.
734
00:31:42,328 --> 00:31:43,857
Can we please get Robert Glasper on the show?
735
00:31:44,067 --> 00:31:46,347
And we can just listen to what he wants to listen to.
736
00:31:46,467 --> 00:31:49,408
I'm really interested in what is on his playlists.
737
00:31:49,677 --> 00:31:55,587
Right. So when we talk about putting the track together, rehearsing,
738
00:31:55,647 --> 00:31:58,301
recording, and on the track before this,
739
00:32:01,377 --> 00:32:07,107
for "All I Need," for using different tracks to assemble it.
740
00:32:07,167 --> 00:32:12,147
That's still not mixing. The mixing process starts, I'm telling you, you know this
741
00:32:12,177 --> 00:32:13,947
because you've done this, this is for the dear listeners.
742
00:32:14,127 --> 00:32:14,397
Yeah.
743
00:32:14,457 --> 00:32:19,828
The mixing process traditionally starts in earnest once everything is done
744
00:32:19,857 --> 00:32:20,847
musically. The whole thing has been-
745
00:32:20,877 --> 00:32:21,717
Ideally.
746
00:32:21,732 --> 00:32:23,277
Ideally. Although actually, you know what?
747
00:32:23,307 --> 00:32:25,272
There's a lot of mixing that goes on as it goes.
748
00:32:25,347 --> 00:32:25,977
There's a lot of mixing. I know, I know.
749
00:32:26,067 --> 00:32:28,018
But traditionally, you've got the track.
750
00:32:28,047 --> 00:32:29,967
At a certain point, you have to be like, the music is what it is.
751
00:32:30,507 --> 00:32:34,647
But you would be shocked at how much, especially I know on an album like this-
752
00:32:34,662 --> 00:32:34,947
Oh, my God
753
00:32:35,037 --> 00:32:40,828
... the mix affects the music. And by its very most basic definition, the mix
754
00:32:40,888 --> 00:32:43,992
is just how much guitar there is, how loud it is-
755
00:32:44,127 --> 00:32:44,578
Yeah
756
00:32:44,592 --> 00:32:46,888
... in relation to the drums, in relation to the vocal.
757
00:32:47,127 --> 00:32:49,332
That's just the basic thing, and moving those.
758
00:32:49,377 --> 00:32:51,792
And so when you talk about a mixer, it's like pushing those, let's try it with
759
00:32:51,867 --> 00:32:55,212
this. But it's also like, well, no, just push up the vocals a little bit for that
760
00:32:55,257 --> 00:32:55,872
one word-
761
00:32:55,917 --> 00:32:56,037
Yeah
762
00:32:56,051 --> 00:32:56,592
... or pull it back.
763
00:32:56,697 --> 00:32:56,712
Well-
764
00:32:56,712 --> 00:32:57,567
That's called active mixing
765
00:32:57,582 --> 00:32:58,391
... and sometimes-
766
00:32:58,438 --> 00:33:01,422
You don't have to over-active mix it
767
00:33:01,422 --> 00:33:03,732
... comping of the tracks happens in the mix because you hear things-
768
00:33:03,763 --> 00:33:04,263
Right
769
00:33:03,867 --> 00:33:06,688
... in a new way, and you're like, "Should we take out that four-bar section?" That
770
00:33:06,717 --> 00:33:06,822
happens.
771
00:33:06,897 --> 00:33:11,457
Right. But then the other big part of the mix is how each of the tracks or the
772
00:33:11,518 --> 00:33:16,797
instruments sound. So you brought up a couple of times how wet or how
773
00:33:17,217 --> 00:33:17,667
dry-
774
00:33:17,877 --> 00:33:17,922
Yeah
775
00:33:17,922 --> 00:33:21,537
... a vocal is, reverb, not EQ, pushing up the high.
776
00:33:21,597 --> 00:33:23,727
There's so many different things, you would be shocked.
777
00:33:23,817 --> 00:33:28,332
So somebody who mixes an album, and I have the feeling that I'm sure Greenwood and
778
00:33:28,527 --> 00:33:30,117
Thom Yorke and stuff were very involved with that.
779
00:33:30,177 --> 00:33:32,247
It just feels like that kind of band, right?
780
00:33:32,277 --> 00:33:32,367
For sure.
781
00:33:32,697 --> 00:33:35,082
Where they're very involved with the mix, with the engineer, with the producer.
782
00:33:35,158 --> 00:33:37,453
Yeah. Compared to acoustic music that we make-
783
00:33:37,587 --> 00:33:37,677
Yeah
784
00:33:37,707 --> 00:33:43,107
... where the mix is maybe 10, 15% of the art on the album.
785
00:33:43,377 --> 00:33:43,557
Right.
786
00:33:43,828 --> 00:33:44,367
You would say like-
787
00:33:44,427 --> 00:33:45,837
Yeah, and just the amount of time spent-
788
00:33:45,927 --> 00:33:46,018
Yeah
789
00:33:46,033 --> 00:33:48,927
... compared to. Although it can get pushed, too.
790
00:33:49,138 --> 00:33:50,712
It's like 50% or more-
791
00:33:50,967 --> 00:33:51,087
Yeah
792
00:33:51,102 --> 00:33:52,002
... on an album like this.
793
00:33:52,078 --> 00:33:52,138
Right.
794
00:33:52,197 --> 00:33:56,457
It's so important. Like you mentioned, when Thom Yorke's vocals go dry in that
795
00:33:56,487 --> 00:34:00,447
breakdown in "Weird Fishes," that is an incredible artistic choice.
796
00:34:00,596 --> 00:34:00,701
Right.
797
00:34:00,763 --> 00:34:02,307
That's art happening in the mix.
798
00:34:02,697 --> 00:34:06,057
Yeah, and it affects the music as much as the harmony that was chosen.
799
00:34:06,117 --> 00:34:06,446
Yeah, totally.
800
00:34:06,477 --> 00:34:10,002
When to drop the drums out. And I'm sure for most of this, if not all of it, they
801
00:34:10,018 --> 00:34:14,772
have total isolation. That's another reason in a lot of acoustic music or jazz or
802
00:34:14,787 --> 00:34:19,467
whatever, classical, there's not as much put on to mix because you can't mix things
803
00:34:19,498 --> 00:34:21,582
separately because there's bleeding through and stuff like this.
804
00:34:21,957 --> 00:34:24,927
But the fact that they piece some of these things together from different takes on
805
00:34:24,957 --> 00:34:27,658
different instruments would indicate that they had total separation.
806
00:34:27,687 --> 00:34:32,007
So you can do any more, and a lot of times people over-mix and get too active with
807
00:34:32,037 --> 00:34:32,158
it.
808
00:34:32,397 --> 00:34:35,502
Well, since we're talking about reverb, we're talking about this next track,
809
00:34:35,562 --> 00:34:38,067
"Reckoner," which is one of my favorite Radiohead tracks of all time.
810
00:34:38,097 --> 00:34:39,252
Isn't it Rickoner?
811
00:34:39,268 --> 00:34:44,337
Rickoner. I think it's "Reckoner," and it's also one of my favorite reverbs ever.
812
00:34:46,662 --> 00:34:47,162
Woo.
813
00:34:51,147 --> 00:34:51,567
That's like
814
00:34:54,087 --> 00:34:57,867
big empty hall, box theater reverb.
815
00:34:59,157 --> 00:35:02,187
It reminds me of these Brazilian albums in the '70s-
816
00:35:02,202 --> 00:35:02,702
Mm.
817
00:35:02,202 --> 00:35:04,077
... that were samba school albums.
818
00:35:04,197 --> 00:35:04,377
Right.
819
00:35:04,498 --> 00:35:05,998
Sounded like they were recorded in a cave.
820
00:35:06,117 --> 00:35:06,297
Right.
821
00:35:07,677 --> 00:35:08,893
Drums in a big hall like that-
822
00:35:08,998 --> 00:35:09,207
Yeah
823
00:35:09,222 --> 00:35:10,827
... sound unbelievable.
824
00:35:13,407 --> 00:35:15,717
The guitar doesn't have it, I don't think.
825
00:35:17,907 --> 00:35:18,597
Yeah, it's just drums.
826
00:35:20,787 --> 00:35:21,957
This song came out of a jam.
827
00:35:22,167 --> 00:35:24,447
Yeah. Loose group jam.
828
00:35:24,748 --> 00:35:28,947
Apparently. But Thom Yorke's melody throughout here is haunting.
829
00:35:32,127 --> 00:35:34,587
That's the normal timing, Thom Yorke comes in.
830
00:35:35,592 --> 00:35:35,922
That's right.
831
00:35:35,967 --> 00:35:36,748
The party's started.
832
00:35:36,867 --> 00:35:37,931
50 seconds in.
833
00:35:37,931 --> 00:35:39,387
He's not like, "Oh, party's at 8:00?
834
00:35:39,417 --> 00:35:40,137
I'll be there at 8:00."
835
00:35:40,197 --> 00:35:41,487
Yeah. He's coming at 10:30.
836
00:35:41,518 --> 00:35:42,537
He's going to roll up out there.
837
00:35:52,557 --> 00:35:56,577
There's still no
838
00:35:57,147 --> 00:36:00,417
pleasure.
839
00:36:06,657 --> 00:36:08,007
It's a five-chord phrase.
840
00:36:08,397 --> 00:36:09,117
Yeah.
841
00:36:09,237 --> 00:36:10,768
You know what I mean? Like that verse part.
842
00:36:13,467 --> 00:36:15,612
You are not
843
00:36:17,637 --> 00:36:20,847
to blame for
844
00:36:23,007 --> 00:36:23,022
this.
845
00:36:24,807 --> 00:36:27,357
Man, that gives it such a-
846
00:36:27,912 --> 00:36:28,412
Yeah.
847
00:36:27,927 --> 00:36:30,147
It's so like that, but it's just enough.
848
00:36:30,207 --> 00:36:34,197
It's jarring in the most subtle way when you do that.
849
00:36:34,257 --> 00:36:35,937
For sure. It's great.
850
00:36:36,357 --> 00:36:42,027
Does this make sense?
851
00:36:42,582 --> 00:36:43,082
Very subtle.
852
00:36:50,592 --> 00:36:55,107
It gives you this rolling but unsettled macro environment right now.
853
00:36:55,123 --> 00:36:56,981
I'm telling you, you can hear Charles Lloyd playing this song.
854
00:36:57,162 --> 00:36:57,207
Yeah.
855
00:36:57,207 --> 00:37:00,687
You know what I mean? Just this soulful, uneasy but-
856
00:37:00,702 --> 00:37:01,272
Yeah.
857
00:37:06,643 --> 00:37:06,882
Ooh.
858
00:37:07,362 --> 00:37:09,177
It's a Radiohead song. We've got to have a whole different part.
859
00:37:09,222 --> 00:37:09,612
Breakdown.
860
00:37:09,732 --> 00:37:09,972
Yeah.
861
00:37:11,367 --> 00:37:12,432
Write down or break apart.
862
00:37:16,362 --> 00:37:19,512
Let's hook. This is all totally dry.
863
00:38:00,672 --> 00:38:03,462
Damn. Woo.
864
00:38:06,027 --> 00:38:10,422
There's at least two different angles on how that whole section, you could feel the
865
00:38:10,482 --> 00:38:13,873
time, and then when the drums came back in, it totally reset it.
866
00:38:16,032 --> 00:38:16,752
I'm telling you, man,
867
00:38:18,012 --> 00:38:20,802
every song on this one, one after the other.
868
00:38:20,893 --> 00:38:24,942
This next song, "House of Cards," had a Grammy nomination for Best Rock
869
00:38:24,972 --> 00:38:28,242
Performance, Best Rock Song, Best Short Form Music Video.
870
00:39:05,202 --> 00:39:08,771
Sam, we need to use more reverb variations when we do our tracks here.
871
00:39:08,802 --> 00:39:09,327
You know what I mean?
872
00:39:09,342 --> 00:39:09,927
These are extreme, man. Yeah.
873
00:39:09,972 --> 00:39:11,712
To have totally dry drums-
874
00:39:11,922 --> 00:39:12,072
Yeah
875
00:39:12,087 --> 00:39:13,152
... and then one haunting voice.
876
00:39:13,167 --> 00:39:14,457
It's very rare that you feel that much.
877
00:39:14,487 --> 00:39:14,922
It's so cool.
878
00:39:14,952 --> 00:39:15,101
Yeah.
879
00:39:15,162 --> 00:39:16,752
It's usually like 20% deep.
880
00:39:19,647 --> 00:39:22,512
That doesn't introduce until
881
00:39:24,432 --> 00:39:24,792
later.
882
00:39:25,873 --> 00:39:27,147
No, still 55 seconds.
883
00:39:27,432 --> 00:39:27,447
Oh.
884
00:39:27,462 --> 00:39:28,902
He's right in that 50-second mark.
885
00:39:29,052 --> 00:39:30,373
Oh, he's still. Oh, I thought it was more than a minute.
886
00:39:31,107 --> 00:39:33,117
No. That's when Thom Yorke joins the party, about a minute in.
887
00:39:51,402 --> 00:39:55,572
That little rattle percussion, it's almost like the classical percussion.
888
00:39:57,042 --> 00:39:57,702
What is that called?
889
00:40:04,452 --> 00:40:14,893
How's
890
00:40:14,996 --> 00:40:21,582
the
891
00:40:25,512 --> 00:40:26,442
music video for this?
892
00:40:28,482 --> 00:40:30,057
Well, this is past your music video days.
893
00:40:30,132 --> 00:40:31,677
This is past my music video days.
894
00:40:31,722 --> 00:40:31,768
Okay.
895
00:40:31,768 --> 00:40:32,337
Yeah, I'm sure it's awesome.
896
00:40:32,352 --> 00:40:33,507
You didn't watch your MTV anymore then?
897
00:40:33,643 --> 00:40:37,602
No. Actually, like I said, man, I was 30.
898
00:40:37,662 --> 00:40:40,812
I was married and getting ready to have kids during this time.
899
00:40:40,873 --> 00:40:41,037
Oh, wow.
900
00:40:41,052 --> 00:40:42,222
And I was on the road a lot, too-
901
00:40:42,373 --> 00:40:42,447
Yeah
902
00:40:42,822 --> 00:40:48,373
... at this time. So I actually kind of let go of my fandom for a lot of things
903
00:40:48,402 --> 00:40:48,762
during that time.
904
00:40:48,822 --> 00:40:48,897
Wow.
905
00:40:48,897 --> 00:40:50,817
You know how it goes. It's like you kind of went deep.
906
00:40:50,817 --> 00:40:51,492
It goes deep, man. It's deep.
907
00:40:51,643 --> 00:40:52,482
I'm back now.
908
00:40:53,172 --> 00:40:53,937
Really? I think you're back.
909
00:40:53,967 --> 00:40:56,112
The kids are teenagers now, so I'm totally back.
910
00:40:56,172 --> 00:40:57,416
They kind of pulled you back, too, a little bit, right? Yeah.
911
00:40:57,462 --> 00:41:02,757
They did. Actually, my daughter, last summer, gave a PowerPoint presentation for
912
00:41:02,772 --> 00:41:08,262
the family and some of our friends on every Radiohead album ranked, and it took
913
00:41:08,322 --> 00:41:10,873
everything in my being not to sob through all of it-
914
00:41:10,962 --> 00:41:11,442
Of course
915
00:41:11,742 --> 00:41:14,292
... because she put Kid A number one.
916
00:41:15,792 --> 00:41:15,807
Cool.
917
00:41:15,822 --> 00:41:16,197
And without-
918
00:41:16,272 --> 00:41:17,352
I'm surprised you could even get that out
919
00:41:17,382 --> 00:41:19,032
... and without me influencing her.
920
00:41:19,123 --> 00:41:23,412
I had no idea that she was going to do that, or she was that even into this band,
921
00:41:23,442 --> 00:41:27,027
and I was like, "I love you so much." So we're the same person.
922
00:41:27,132 --> 00:41:28,287
Rewriting your will as she-
923
00:41:28,362 --> 00:41:28,602
I know.
924
00:41:29,832 --> 00:41:31,152
She gets everything. Thom Yorke gets everything.
925
00:41:31,317 --> 00:41:31,812
That's awesome.
926
00:41:31,902 --> 00:41:35,352
All right. The next track, "Jigsaw Falling into Place," this incredible track.
927
00:41:35,382 --> 00:41:40,032
This was the lead single off this album. Came to number 30 in the UK charts.
928
00:41:40,572 --> 00:41:41,712
Didn't get anywhere in the US.
929
00:41:43,182 --> 00:41:43,752
Interesting.
930
00:41:47,832 --> 00:41:49,332
Charts were fiddly by this time.
931
00:41:49,512 --> 00:41:52,242
Charts, man, charts are next to zero by...
932
00:41:57,717 --> 00:41:58,572
How many seconds?
933
00:41:59,682 --> 00:42:02,742
We're at 23 right now. We'll see how long it takes.
934
00:42:08,172 --> 00:42:13,572
It is such a vibe, though, to come in, to have that as part of their
935
00:42:13,632 --> 00:42:14,322
style.
936
00:42:50,862 --> 00:43:18,101
Who's
937
00:43:18,132 --> 00:43:18,552
that singing?
938
00:43:18,912 --> 00:43:20,937
That's Thom Yorke. That is Thom Yorke singing.
939
00:43:20,952 --> 00:43:22,031
Dude, his range is ridiculous.
940
00:43:22,062 --> 00:43:23,112
That's crazy, man.
941
00:43:24,942 --> 00:43:26,907
He so often sings in his falsetto-
942
00:43:26,982 --> 00:43:27,192
Yeah
943
00:43:27,912 --> 00:43:30,147
... that when he goes down that low, it's like, "What the f**k?"
944
00:43:34,452 --> 00:43:35,067
Man, this is
945
00:43:37,152 --> 00:43:38,022
not a rock band.
946
00:43:38,502 --> 00:43:38,682
Yeah.
947
00:43:38,952 --> 00:43:39,147
Is it?
948
00:43:39,252 --> 00:43:40,842
Art rock is what we landed on before.
949
00:43:40,873 --> 00:43:41,682
Art rock. Did we say that? Okay.
950
00:43:41,802 --> 00:43:42,643
Yeah, but I don't know, man.
951
00:43:42,972 --> 00:43:46,032
There should be... I know you hate genres, famously.
952
00:43:46,062 --> 00:43:46,482
Famously.
953
00:43:46,752 --> 00:43:51,897
But I guess art rock makes... That always has a certain level of pretension
954
00:43:51,942 --> 00:43:53,652
whenever you say art something.
955
00:43:53,712 --> 00:43:55,047
Yeah. I think there's a level.
956
00:43:55,062 --> 00:43:57,522
No one would ever say art classical or art jazz.
957
00:43:57,582 --> 00:43:57,702
No.
958
00:43:57,822 --> 00:43:59,022
Because they're already hoity-toity.
959
00:43:59,052 --> 00:44:01,932
But they would call jazz and classical art music.
960
00:44:01,962 --> 00:44:02,742
I know. I don't like that.
961
00:44:03,042 --> 00:44:03,282
Yeah.
962
00:44:03,552 --> 00:44:05,697
Because it's like art music and folk music.
963
00:44:05,802 --> 00:44:06,252
Totally.
964
00:44:06,702 --> 00:44:10,077
Ignorant folk music and highbrow classical.
965
00:44:10,077 --> 00:44:10,302
High class.
966
00:44:11,143 --> 00:44:11,157
It is.
967
00:44:11,157 --> 00:44:13,782
"We know what we're doing. We've got a take on things."
968
00:44:14,052 --> 00:44:17,082
But I think in this, yeah, there's like an implication of
969
00:44:18,702 --> 00:44:21,792
thoughtful rock and roll.
970
00:44:22,662 --> 00:44:27,582
All right. The last track on the album is the closer, and Thom Yorke called this
971
00:44:27,762 --> 00:44:28,752
absolute agony.
972
00:44:28,827 --> 00:44:29,327
Yeah.
973
00:44:28,887 --> 00:44:32,382
He built it on a fast four-to-the-floor pulse, then came back to find Jonny and
974
00:44:32,412 --> 00:44:34,721
Godrich had stripped it bare bones, reduced him to tears.
975
00:44:34,812 --> 00:44:35,487
Come on, guys.
976
00:44:36,012 --> 00:44:40,752
Hospital Studio, December 2006, the first moment he'd felt that they got something.
977
00:44:41,022 --> 00:44:41,727
What's hospital studio?
978
00:44:41,952 --> 00:44:42,643
I don't know.
979
00:44:42,732 --> 00:44:43,032
Okay.
980
00:44:45,132 --> 00:44:46,752
Was he that bad that they put him in the hospital?
981
00:44:48,222 --> 00:44:49,662
Four on the floor, AMS.
982
00:44:51,342 --> 00:44:53,802
This is such a beautiful closing track on the album, though, Peter.
983
00:44:53,922 --> 00:44:54,643
This is like a piano song.
984
00:44:54,732 --> 00:44:55,722
Just gorgeous, man.
985
00:45:33,342 --> 00:45:33,882
His,
986
00:45:47,982 --> 00:45:50,292
Thom Yorke's intonation is so-
987
00:45:51,882 --> 00:45:57,192
Great. But there's times when he's not, and it's got to be intentional because you
988
00:45:57,222 --> 00:46:02,562
can tell he can control, and so it gives it such a kind of unaffected
989
00:46:02,623 --> 00:46:04,212
humanity, I think, to it.
990
00:46:04,272 --> 00:46:04,482
Yeah.
991
00:46:05,742 --> 00:46:10,393
Certain notes are just stunningly in tune, but others are not.
992
00:46:10,542 --> 00:46:10,902
Yeah.
993
00:46:10,947 --> 00:46:11,607
And I think it's
994
00:46:12,822 --> 00:46:17,727
a great thing to- Obviously, we're in this days of Auto-Tune, but they had it at
995
00:46:17,742 --> 00:46:18,762
that time, too.
996
00:46:18,822 --> 00:46:18,987
Yeah.
997
00:46:19,542 --> 00:46:22,393
This was the way it was on purpose, right?
998
00:46:22,842 --> 00:46:25,932
I got some flack last time when we did Kid A when I said that-
999
00:46:25,992 --> 00:46:26,952
You read the comments still, man?
1000
00:46:27,102 --> 00:46:27,192
No.
1001
00:46:27,342 --> 00:46:27,612
I don't read the comments.
1002
00:46:28,032 --> 00:46:33,312
My wife told me. No, but I mentioned that I don't think Thom Yorke's a great
1003
00:46:33,402 --> 00:46:33,761
singer.
1004
00:46:33,777 --> 00:46:34,277
Yeah.
1005
00:46:33,822 --> 00:46:36,162
Like in the way that Luther Vandross was a great singer.
1006
00:46:36,222 --> 00:46:36,373
Right.
1007
00:46:36,522 --> 00:46:37,902
Has all this control.
1008
00:46:37,917 --> 00:46:38,127
Which is flawed. Yeah.
1009
00:46:38,127 --> 00:46:39,237
Flawless tone.
1010
00:46:39,237 --> 00:46:40,422
But he does have a lot of control.
1011
00:46:40,496 --> 00:46:41,472
But he does have control.
1012
00:46:41,516 --> 00:46:42,016
Yeah.
1013
00:46:42,282 --> 00:46:44,412
He's not a great singer, but he's a great vocalist.
1014
00:46:44,472 --> 00:46:44,982
He is.
1015
00:46:45,072 --> 00:46:48,492
He is an incredible artist, and he does actually have great control.
1016
00:46:48,643 --> 00:46:52,692
I think what is so special about his voice is the vulnerability to it.
1017
00:46:52,752 --> 00:46:52,812
Yes.
1018
00:46:52,932 --> 00:46:54,732
Or the fact that it's not this perfectly-
1019
00:46:54,822 --> 00:46:54,912
No
1020
00:46:55,002 --> 00:46:57,536
... manicured vocal performance that is like-
1021
00:46:57,552 --> 00:46:59,922
He has a lot of control over it, very unique.
1022
00:47:00,162 --> 00:47:06,147
It's like a beautiful... It's not a Lamborghini or a Ferrari, but
1023
00:47:06,162 --> 00:47:10,002
it's something else. It's a beautiful vehicle that's unique.
1024
00:47:10,092 --> 00:47:10,212
Yeah.
1025
00:47:10,512 --> 00:47:13,677
And that the driver- Because vocalists, they're not like pianists where we're
1026
00:47:13,722 --> 00:47:16,393
like, "Oh, I got a great note instrument." They're like, "This is my instrument."
1027
00:47:16,572 --> 00:47:16,782
Yeah.
1028
00:47:16,812 --> 00:47:19,602
And so how do you get dialed in on your own instrument?
1029
00:47:19,692 --> 00:47:22,812
I think his level of dialed in is pretty much 100.
1030
00:47:22,873 --> 00:47:26,592
Yeah, and also he just has a really cool instrument. You mentioned the range.
1031
00:47:26,652 --> 00:47:26,787
Yeah.
1032
00:47:27,222 --> 00:47:32,052
When he's low in that song before, he pulls that gear out sometimes, and then he
1033
00:47:32,112 --> 00:47:34,482
can sing in this sort of like whale-
1034
00:47:34,842 --> 00:47:34,962
Yeah
1035
00:47:34,992 --> 00:47:36,822
... falsetto almost, like mixed voice almost.
1036
00:47:36,942 --> 00:47:38,592
I see what you mean, the whale. "Weird Fishes."
1037
00:47:38,922 --> 00:47:40,302
Whales. "Weird Fishes."
1038
00:47:42,102 --> 00:47:42,552
Oh.
1039
00:47:42,672 --> 00:47:43,182
There it is.
1040
00:47:43,602 --> 00:47:45,192
If you stay in the end, that's what you get.
1041
00:47:45,252 --> 00:47:49,242
Okay, so reaction to In Rainbows post Kid A.
1042
00:47:49,692 --> 00:47:51,462
Wait, this was In Rainbows? I thought we were listening to Kid A.
1043
00:47:51,552 --> 00:47:54,837
I got confused again. What, so you can't- No, this is OK Computer, right?
1044
00:47:54,882 --> 00:47:55,242
Doggone it.
1045
00:47:55,662 --> 00:47:59,592
You know what my reaction is? That piano, Robert Glasper or was that Brad Mehldau?
1046
00:47:59,712 --> 00:48:01,302
Who was playing piano on that last bit?
1047
00:48:02,397 --> 00:48:02,897
Eh, maybe.
1048
00:48:02,412 --> 00:48:05,292
No, I would say, I think,
1049
00:48:07,482 --> 00:48:11,562
man, I love what I just heard, and I want to dig in deeper to this.
1050
00:48:11,742 --> 00:48:15,552
I think I will go back and listen to this a little bit more than Kid A, actually.
1051
00:48:15,942 --> 00:48:19,393
You're like a millennial. Well, I feel like Kid A is great.
1052
00:48:19,452 --> 00:48:25,032
This is a much more even, some people might say much smaller range album.
1053
00:48:25,152 --> 00:48:25,272
Yeah.
1054
00:48:25,332 --> 00:48:30,417
But to me, this felt like, look, and we appreciate you guys listening to my
1055
00:48:30,462 --> 00:48:31,482
ignorant drivel about this.
1056
00:48:31,512 --> 00:48:33,897
Man, I love these episodes.
1057
00:48:33,987 --> 00:48:34,487
Right.
1058
00:48:34,123 --> 00:48:35,607
I love hearing your takes on these things-
1059
00:48:35,652 --> 00:48:35,667
Right
1060
00:48:35,667 --> 00:48:37,018
... from a very fresh perspective.
1061
00:48:37,692 --> 00:48:37,768
Love you, too, man.
1062
00:48:37,768 --> 00:48:38,322
You know what I mean?
1063
00:48:38,382 --> 00:48:38,742
Yeah.
1064
00:48:38,802 --> 00:48:39,672
It's great.
1065
00:48:39,702 --> 00:48:44,337
No, but I think that we're not giving it, I'm thinking even as I go, the fact that
1066
00:48:44,352 --> 00:48:47,742
I want to go back and just sit and listen to this and vibe out on this.
1067
00:48:47,832 --> 00:48:48,207
Yeah.
1068
00:48:48,672 --> 00:48:52,317
This felt like, and I'm not doing it total justice because I feel like until you do
1069
00:48:52,393 --> 00:48:55,602
that, you don't really know. But it's kind of like when you sample something,
1070
00:48:55,617 --> 00:48:57,522
you're like, "Oh." It's like previews to a movie.
1071
00:48:57,612 --> 00:49:01,512
You don't really know, and sometimes, especially for comedies, you're like, "Oh,
1072
00:49:01,572 --> 00:49:03,807
that's so funny." You're laughing and then you're like, "Wait, are those the only
1073
00:49:03,852 --> 00:49:05,352
good jokes that are going to be in the movie?
1074
00:49:05,562 --> 00:49:07,452
Did I just see it?" It's a lot on Netflix.
1075
00:49:07,572 --> 00:49:07,692
Yeah.
1076
00:49:08,742 --> 00:49:11,832
But with this, I feel like I want to get the transitions.
1077
00:49:12,132 --> 00:49:14,652
We don't have time or the legal license to do that here.
1078
00:49:14,682 --> 00:49:15,102
No, we do not.
1079
00:49:15,162 --> 00:49:20,143
But this makes me want to feel the transitions from this, to feel the balance and
1080
00:49:20,172 --> 00:49:23,502
the journey, which I definitely got some, and as you guiding through, it was great.
1081
00:49:23,893 --> 00:49:27,552
And so I think that from beginning to end, I would prefer this.
1082
00:49:28,752 --> 00:49:31,302
But I'm a little nervous as I say this. Don't hate me.
1083
00:49:31,362 --> 00:49:33,522
No, you're with the majority.
1084
00:49:33,686 --> 00:49:34,186
Oh.
1085
00:49:33,702 --> 00:49:35,893
You're with the majority of people who prefer this to any other Radiohead.
1086
00:49:35,952 --> 00:49:36,643
Oh, I'm a sellout.
1087
00:49:36,702 --> 00:49:38,502
Yeah. You're a sellout. You're very commercial.
1088
00:49:38,862 --> 00:49:40,662
What does Brad Mehldau think? What's his favorite?
1089
00:49:40,962 --> 00:49:42,882
Brad loves OK Computer. You just know he does.
1090
00:49:42,912 --> 00:49:43,752
What about Robert Glasper?
1091
00:49:44,022 --> 00:49:46,152
Glasper loves Kid A. I'm just telling you.
1092
00:49:46,212 --> 00:49:48,972
There was a video that was going around the internet recently.
1093
00:49:49,032 --> 00:49:51,567
I don't know if you saw it, of Robert Glasper playing "Everything in Its Right
1094
00:49:51,612 --> 00:49:51,627
Place."
1095
00:49:51,627 --> 00:49:52,947
Oh, I saw. It was fed to me everywhere I went.
1096
00:49:53,262 --> 00:49:54,057
He's teary-eyed in that video.
1097
00:49:54,102 --> 00:49:55,092
Yeah, in Paris.
1098
00:49:55,182 --> 00:49:56,367
And it was so powerful there.
1099
00:49:56,367 --> 00:49:59,652
During the heatwave. Yeah. It's a great version. What about Adam Maness?
1100
00:49:59,682 --> 00:50:03,312
What does Adam Maness say? Can you give me a stack ranking of those three at least?
1101
00:50:03,552 --> 00:50:04,197
I know you mentioned-
1102
00:50:04,332 --> 00:50:04,512
Okay
1103
00:50:04,526 --> 00:50:05,817
... the two after this you didn't prefer.
1104
00:50:05,832 --> 00:50:08,893
Well, let's talk about the run. So for me, there's a Radiohead run.
1105
00:50:08,922 --> 00:50:13,152
They have Pablo Honey and they have The Bends, which are their first two albums,
1106
00:50:13,182 --> 00:50:17,382
and actually their biggest hit, "Creep," is from that first album.
1107
00:50:17,412 --> 00:50:19,873
But to me, they hit their artistic stride with OK Computer.
1108
00:50:20,186 --> 00:50:20,307
And then-
1109
00:50:20,322 --> 00:50:22,962
Did we do the joke? Who was the comedian that did the "Creep" joke?
1110
00:50:23,232 --> 00:50:24,192
Did we cover that last time?
1111
00:50:24,252 --> 00:50:24,266
Yeah.
1112
00:50:24,282 --> 00:50:24,312
Okay.
1113
00:50:24,327 --> 00:50:28,332
With Joe O'Neill. Yeah. White people love "Creep." The "Eh-nih.
1114
00:50:28,346 --> 00:50:33,012
Eh-nih." Yeah, you got to check it out. It's great. No, so 1997 is OK Computer.
1115
00:50:33,072 --> 00:50:33,432
Yeah.
1116
00:50:33,522 --> 00:50:37,302
And then from there, they're on a run until this album.
1117
00:50:37,332 --> 00:50:41,802
And like I said, I like The King of Limbs, I like A Moon Shaped Pool, but I think that
1118
00:50:41,862 --> 00:50:47,022
run between, that's really just OK Computer, Kid A, Amnesiac, Hail to the Thief,
1119
00:50:47,682 --> 00:50:49,707
and In Rainbows. And then I'm also going to throw in-
1120
00:50:49,722 --> 00:50:51,312
That's pretty cool. You're talking about 10 years.
1121
00:50:51,373 --> 00:50:51,702
10 years.
1122
00:50:51,762 --> 00:50:52,362
Five albums.
1123
00:50:52,482 --> 00:50:54,807
Yeah. And I'm going to throw in Thom Yorke's solo album-
1124
00:50:54,942 --> 00:50:54,957
I love it
1125
00:50:54,957 --> 00:50:56,862
... The Eraser, which I'll play a little bit of it here.
1126
00:50:56,893 --> 00:50:58,123
Was that later? Wasn't that after this?
1127
00:50:58,212 --> 00:51:00,072
That was 2006, The Eraser.
1128
00:51:00,582 --> 00:51:01,212
Oh, it was right before.
1129
00:51:01,302 --> 00:51:02,231
Right before this.
1130
00:51:02,322 --> 00:51:03,356
Oh, wow, okay. I got to check that out.
1131
00:51:03,402 --> 00:51:06,387
So yeah, actually that's what's my up next Radiohead run.
1132
00:51:06,387 --> 00:51:08,623
That was a great, when we talk about other classic periods-
1133
00:51:08,772 --> 00:51:09,072
Oh, yeah
1134
00:51:09,282 --> 00:51:12,552
... that's such a great output. Even though I know that there's some tortured, like
1135
00:51:12,582 --> 00:51:18,492
they were sitting in the ramshackle English manor house for months on end
1136
00:51:18,522 --> 00:51:20,472
and stuff. But if you look at the
1137
00:51:21,913 --> 00:51:25,557
Yeah. Well, think about it. This is the end of that period.
1138
00:51:25,722 --> 00:51:25,842
Yeah.
1139
00:51:25,932 --> 00:51:28,842
The last album of that period, and this is their most popular album afterwards.
1140
00:51:28,932 --> 00:51:33,582
Which is like, we've covered Steely Dan, right? Gaucho.
1141
00:51:33,748 --> 00:51:34,248
Yeah.
1142
00:51:33,748 --> 00:51:36,822
Which was their sort of last album until 20 years later.
1143
00:51:36,883 --> 00:51:36,987
Yeah.
1144
00:51:37,362 --> 00:51:39,853
And that was the end of a sort of 10-year run from them.
1145
00:51:40,197 --> 00:51:40,697
Yeah.
1146
00:51:40,242 --> 00:51:41,952
We've covered people like Miles Davis.
1147
00:51:42,133 --> 00:51:42,147
Right.
1148
00:51:42,672 --> 00:51:45,883
We've talked about Miles, and he's got this electric era and the 80s era.
1149
00:51:46,182 --> 00:51:49,272
But from '57 to like '67-
1150
00:51:49,392 --> 00:51:49,572
Right
1151
00:51:49,587 --> 00:51:50,397
... when you think of Miles-
1152
00:51:50,413 --> 00:51:50,982
Prestige to Columbia
1153
00:51:51,012 --> 00:51:51,867
... you're thinking of that.
1154
00:51:51,942 --> 00:51:52,016
Yeah
1155
00:51:52,362 --> 00:51:53,592
A lot of people are thinking of that.
1156
00:51:53,652 --> 00:51:55,436
But I know people love Bitches Brew and On the Corner.
1157
00:51:55,467 --> 00:51:55,967
Right.
1158
00:51:55,542 --> 00:52:00,552
I love that stuff, too. But I think most culturally, we think of Miles in that late
1159
00:52:00,642 --> 00:52:00,867
50s, 60s period.
1160
00:52:00,913 --> 00:52:06,297
We could do like a stack ranking or tier list of classic periods.
1161
00:52:06,297 --> 00:52:07,062
Classic runs?
1162
00:52:07,302 --> 00:52:07,902
Yeah. Stevie-
1163
00:52:08,022 --> 00:52:08,322
Stevie
1164
00:52:08,353 --> 00:52:08,878
... Miles-
1165
00:52:08,982 --> 00:52:09,057
Yeah
1166
00:52:09,133 --> 00:52:09,732
... Radiohead.
1167
00:52:09,792 --> 00:52:10,317
I mean, think about-
1168
00:52:10,332 --> 00:52:10,856
Coltrane
1169
00:52:11,202 --> 00:52:11,832
... Herbie.
1170
00:52:11,892 --> 00:52:12,087
Herbie.
1171
00:52:12,087 --> 00:52:12,642
Herbie's got a couple.
1172
00:52:12,927 --> 00:52:13,427
Right.
1173
00:52:12,942 --> 00:52:17,383
Stevie's run, right? Music of My Mind, or maybe the album previous to that.
1174
00:52:17,413 --> 00:52:18,103
What was that one called?
1175
00:52:18,192 --> 00:52:19,272
Fulfillingness' First Finale.
1176
00:52:19,332 --> 00:52:20,906
No, that was after.
1177
00:52:21,432 --> 00:52:22,301
Oh. Music of My Mind.
1178
00:52:22,481 --> 00:52:25,197
Music of My Mind was the first one that was considered-
1179
00:52:25,302 --> 00:52:25,542
Yeah. Oh
1180
00:52:25,557 --> 00:52:26,307
... the TONTO period.
1181
00:52:26,353 --> 00:52:27,101
It was the one before.
1182
00:52:27,133 --> 00:52:29,652
It was his last Blue Note album before the TONTO period.
1183
00:52:29,802 --> 00:52:29,816
Right.
1184
00:52:29,816 --> 00:52:31,722
Put it in the comments. We talked about it, and now I'm spacing.
1185
00:52:31,992 --> 00:52:33,732
But Music of My Mind up until when?
1186
00:52:34,302 --> 00:52:35,623
as far as I can keep alive.
1187
00:52:35,922 --> 00:52:36,702
'76?
1188
00:52:36,853 --> 00:52:36,972
Yeah.
1189
00:52:37,242 --> 00:52:40,152
Six years? You don't think Hotter Than July and Secret Life of Plants?
1190
00:52:40,182 --> 00:52:41,742
That's definitely not the classic. You talking about the classic period?
1191
00:52:41,802 --> 00:52:44,772
I'm talking about a run, because he was still on a run after the classic period.
1192
00:52:44,847 --> 00:52:48,072
Yeah, but there was a break there. You know what I mean?
1193
00:52:48,327 --> 00:52:50,503
And I think that maybe
1194
00:52:51,822 --> 00:52:55,797
Thom Yorke and the boys would look at this differently, be like, "No, this is not
1195
00:52:55,842 --> 00:52:58,603
how we were thinking about it." But sometimes other people are better objectively
1196
00:52:58,633 --> 00:53:03,853
to, you kind of have this demarcation point from '97 to '07 based on the albums,
1197
00:53:03,913 --> 00:53:06,942
and not only your love for them, but kind of the lineage of it.
1198
00:53:07,032 --> 00:53:07,527
Yeah.
1199
00:53:07,527 --> 00:53:11,128
And so they are somewhat arbitrary, but once you've had some space to look back
1200
00:53:11,142 --> 00:53:13,092
artistically and what the flow...
1201
00:53:13,137 --> 00:53:16,092
Because there's other stuff in terms of
1202
00:53:17,322 --> 00:53:18,972
sometimes the instrumentation and what.
1203
00:53:19,062 --> 00:53:21,133
Because Stevie had that whole period where he was playing everything.
1204
00:53:21,312 --> 00:53:21,432
Yeah.
1205
00:53:21,462 --> 00:53:23,772
And he did that some, and then everything changed.
1206
00:53:23,952 --> 00:53:24,342
Yeah.
1207
00:53:24,522 --> 00:53:25,228
Stevie stayed the same.
1208
00:53:25,392 --> 00:53:26,487
Stevie stayed the same, but everything changed.
1209
00:53:26,562 --> 00:53:29,532
And I think also there's a cultural thing where you kind of age out-
1210
00:53:29,802 --> 00:53:30,072
Yeah
1211
00:53:30,087 --> 00:53:32,921
... a little bit. They're still in their 30s here. You know what I mean?
1212
00:53:32,952 --> 00:53:35,952
And isn't there a thing, we could say this for anybody, but we're talking about
1213
00:53:36,042 --> 00:53:40,421
Radiohead here, too, where you have the presence of mind.
1214
00:53:40,482 --> 00:53:42,387
You're not only great musicians, but you
1215
00:53:44,052 --> 00:53:47,562
made a great important rock band, one of the most important of all time.
1216
00:53:47,623 --> 00:53:48,133
You know what I mean?
1217
00:53:48,192 --> 00:53:48,237
Yeah.
1218
00:53:48,312 --> 00:53:51,027
The fact that you could even be like, "This is our Revolver." I don't even know
1219
00:53:51,042 --> 00:53:54,072
these guys. I don't know how cocky they are, but I don't think they're too cocky to
1220
00:53:54,103 --> 00:53:54,672
say that.
1221
00:53:54,762 --> 00:53:55,512
Yeah.
1222
00:53:55,873 --> 00:53:57,462
Or they're cocky enough to say that.
1223
00:53:57,478 --> 00:53:58,272
But the idea-
1224
00:53:58,392 --> 00:53:59,442
I think they're appropriately cocky.
1225
00:53:59,503 --> 00:53:59,998
Yeah, all right.
1226
00:54:00,012 --> 00:54:00,552
If I had to guess.
1227
00:54:00,672 --> 00:54:05,322
Right. But the fact that I'm sure at this same point, they could look back a couple
1228
00:54:05,383 --> 00:54:09,462
years after this record and be like, "Damn, we made some stuff."
1229
00:54:09,492 --> 00:54:11,112
You made some good stuff.
1230
00:54:11,172 --> 00:54:13,663
This isn't some one-hit wonders. It wasn't even a lot of hits.
1231
00:54:13,692 --> 00:54:13,992
It would be-
1232
00:54:14,052 --> 00:54:16,272
But it was a lot of important albums, right?
1233
00:54:16,332 --> 00:54:19,003
How much fun would it be to do a classic run episode? We should do that.
1234
00:54:19,047 --> 00:54:19,547
Yeah.
1235
00:54:19,062 --> 00:54:20,081
Because think about The Beatles.
1236
00:54:20,112 --> 00:54:20,728
Beethoven. I thought of Beethoven.
1237
00:54:21,312 --> 00:54:22,873
Beatles, '63, '64.
1238
00:54:22,932 --> 00:54:23,082
Yeah.
1239
00:54:23,277 --> 00:54:23,832
'70?
1240
00:54:23,862 --> 00:54:24,117
Yep.
1241
00:54:24,133 --> 00:54:26,038
That's it. They're not even a band anymore.
1242
00:54:26,082 --> 00:54:27,253
Can't say their name. We can
1243
00:54:48,894 --> 00:54:49,824
Hey.
1244
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:51,099
Peter, you're so cool, man.
1245
00:54:51,144 --> 00:54:52,269
Should we do some categories real quick?
1246
00:54:52,375 --> 00:54:52,900
Oh, damn. I'm sorry.
1247
00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:55,824
"Desert Island." What's your apex moment/desert island?
1248
00:54:56,035 --> 00:54:56,859
I got "Weird Fishes"-
1249
00:54:56,888 --> 00:54:57,009
You go first
1250
00:54:57,009 --> 00:54:58,914
... for my desert island track.
1251
00:54:59,214 --> 00:55:02,003
I like "Weird Fishes." I'm going to be really following your lead on this.
1252
00:55:02,035 --> 00:55:02,844
I like that "Reckoner."
1253
00:55:03,309 --> 00:55:03,459
"Reckoner."
1254
00:55:03,714 --> 00:55:04,629
That was f*****g-
1255
00:55:04,660 --> 00:55:05,065
Amazing, man
1256
00:55:05,094 --> 00:55:09,954
... I mean, even if I hadn't seen this described as growing out of a loose group
1257
00:55:10,014 --> 00:55:12,354
jam, that was immediately the feel and the vibe.
1258
00:55:12,383 --> 00:55:12,400
So good.
1259
00:55:12,414 --> 00:55:16,584
And that was a nice little pattern interrupter, not so much with the sound or the
1260
00:55:16,674 --> 00:55:18,684
vibe, but with the approach.
1261
00:55:18,834 --> 00:55:18,924
Yeah.
1262
00:55:18,984 --> 00:55:19,209
You know?
1263
00:55:19,375 --> 00:55:22,764
Yeah. Quibblets. I have "It Was Too Expensive."
1264
00:55:23,574 --> 00:55:24,324
Was it expensive?
1265
00:55:24,444 --> 00:55:25,463
No, it was pay what you want.
1266
00:55:25,734 --> 00:55:27,129
Oh, I thought you meant the production of it.
1267
00:55:27,954 --> 00:55:28,525
It was a joke.
1268
00:55:28,824 --> 00:55:32,155
That was good. I love jokes that have to be explained. Thank you. Accoutrements.
1269
00:55:33,144 --> 00:55:34,359
I wouldn't know. I wasn't there.
1270
00:55:34,375 --> 00:55:35,604
It was an iPod V2.
1271
00:55:37,988 --> 00:55:39,204
Okay. Is this their best album?
1272
00:55:39,535 --> 00:55:41,875
No, I'm going to say for me, Kid A.
1273
00:55:41,964 --> 00:55:43,134
Really? Yeah, okay.
1274
00:55:43,164 --> 00:55:43,644
There you go.
1275
00:55:43,704 --> 00:55:45,684
Okay, this will be a good one. Snobbometer.
1276
00:55:45,729 --> 00:55:45,984
Five.
1277
00:55:46,285 --> 00:55:48,309
Man, you used to hate the five, and now you're dialed in on the five.
1278
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:50,650
I'm bought into the five. I'm dialed in.
1279
00:55:50,694 --> 00:55:51,054
I mean, I-
1280
00:55:51,099 --> 00:55:51,864
I'm locked in on five
1281
00:55:51,924 --> 00:55:56,334
... I feel like Radiohead is always... Wait, 10 is more snobby, right?
1282
00:55:56,394 --> 00:55:56,514
Yeah.
1283
00:55:57,114 --> 00:56:00,025
I feel like anything Radiohead has to at least be a six.
1284
00:56:00,144 --> 00:56:00,459
I kind of agree.
1285
00:56:00,459 --> 00:56:01,254
I'm going to go seven.
1286
00:56:01,315 --> 00:56:02,724
But it sold three million copies.
1287
00:56:02,994 --> 00:56:05,859
Dude, Robert Glasper. Brad Mehldau did it. And Adam Maness.
1288
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All right.
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That's the trifecta of snobbiness.
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All right.
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And Ethan Iverson, I'm sure. And Allen Iverson happens to love Radiohead.
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Fun fact. Hey, come on the show. Up next, I have that 2006 Thom Yorke solo album
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that I mentioned called The Eraser. This is Atoms for Peace.
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Ooh.
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This is such a cool project. If you haven't checked out The Eraser, the whole
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thing is beautiful. It's 2006.
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Yeah.
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How's it going to be up next?
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You've heard it before.
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Well-
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You're going back in time now
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... it's weird with time travel.
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That's true.
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We have all of this.
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But that's kind of what I was saying, when you have, forget about 20 years later,
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even a couple of years later, you can look back and be like, "Oh." You start
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explaining in a way that they didn't even know at the time.
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It's like, "Oh, this makes sense that that led to that."
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"No more going to the dark side with your flying saucer
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eyes"
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The other guys in Radiohead should have sued Thom Yorke for not calling this a
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Radio... I can already tell where that's going.
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Well, you can hear what Thom is into on that one. What do you think on next, Peter?
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What are you putting next to this?
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Oh, this might be controversial for reasons that-
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I see what you're doing. I love it.
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Kanye-
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I love it.
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2007.
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I love it.
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Kanye West. I'm not even going to say his name.
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Graduation.
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Such a good album.
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That's a great album.
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Such a great album.
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Yeah, and that was the same year.
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Who?
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Kanye West. He was a different person in that time.
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Man, I wish he was still that person so we could talk about some of that music
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because it was so amazing.
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And I think I wasn't listening to him a lot, but I remember that year.
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Now I know, remember, it's 2007. I can even place it was like, "Yes."
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Buddy, can we please do some more from this era? Can we do some Dilla beats?
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Yeah.
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I'm trying to get to you,
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girl. Oh,
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oh, oh.
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I'm Adam Maness.
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And I'm Peter Martin.
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And you're listening to the You'll Hear It podcast.
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Music. Explored.
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Brought to you today by Open Studio.
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Go to openstudiojazz.com for all your jazz lessons needs. Peter, we're back.
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It feels like we're back.
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We're back.
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I mean, we were away.
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Where'd we go?
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I don't know. We were here, but we weren't doing anything.
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I'm feeling in the groove.
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Good.
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Yeah.
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About time.
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I know.
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My friend.
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I haven't been in the groove. I'm locked in right now.
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Yeah.
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Hey, we are... Speaking of back-
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Yeah
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... we're bringing something back.
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I know. I'm so excited about this.
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It's called the Speak Pipe. Many people have never heard of it.
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No.
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So we want to do a mailbag episode where we hear from you.
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If you go to youllhearit.com-
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Mailbag
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... If you go to youllhearit.com, you could leave us a message.
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So go to youllhearit.com. You could leave us a voicemail.
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We can't promise that you'll get your voicemail read on the air, but we are going
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to take some questions for the audience. It could be about anything.
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It could be about these albums, about the show, about music, whatever, Open Studio,
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you name it. It could be anything.
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I got a question.
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Yeah.
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How come you're all so dope? That's something someone could ask us.
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Is how come you're all so dope?
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Yes.
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Please ask us that.
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That's just an example. Feel free to say whatever you want.
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Peter's got ideas.
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Yeah.
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Peter, today, this is a continuation.
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I'm so excited.
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This is an evolution. So last season, as a crazy experiment-
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Yeah
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... we put on the docket Radiohead's 2000, in my opinion, masterpiece, Kid A.
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Yeah.
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You had never really heard the album.
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Mm.
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We listened to it. You gave it a try. You seemed to like it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. You seemed to really like it.
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I was curious, and then I was enraptured-
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... somewhat.
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It's a fantastic album.
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And I got sold over pretty quickly, as I recall.
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So I'm hoping that energy continues, because during that time, we also did a bunch
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of polls on our Instagram. I did one on my personal Instagram about what is your
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all-time favorite Radiohead album.
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Now, being as Xennial as I am, I assumed it was gonna be Kid A.
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Not a thing.
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Not even close. It was the album that we're listening to today. It was In Rainbows.
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Wait, wait, wait. I thought we were listening to Robert Glasper and Brad Mehldau
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play. See, this is how he gets me in here.
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Adam's like, "We're gonna check out-"
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We totally could.
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Nothing. Radiohead.
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We totally could listen to a whole album of Robert Glasper and Brad Mehldau play
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Radiohead.
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But I joke.
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I-
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That would be fun, though
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... next, the next one, whenever we listen to OK Computer, I'm gonna tell you that
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it's that.
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An Adam Maness trio plays.
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Oh, yeah. No, we do a version of "Weird Fishes" here, which we're gonna talk about
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in a little bit.
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Yeah.
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But no, we're doing In Rainbows. This was released in 2007.
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It has such an interesting release story, Peter, but before we get that-
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Yeah
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... release story going, let's listen to the first track, "15 Step."
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And again, we're kind of looking for Peter's reaction during.
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Can Radiohead keep Peter's attention past Kid A?
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I come running up, but I slow down. I come running up, but I want out.
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One, two, three, four, five, one, two.
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Won't take my eyes off the ball again. You reel me out and then you cut the string.
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I come running up, but I slow down. I come running up, but I want
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out. Won't take my eyes off the ball again.
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You reel me out and then you cut the string.
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That's me.
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Beautiful voice.
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What happened?
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So we're in 5/4 here.
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Yeah.
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Starting off this album with an odd time signature.
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It's a great program.
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Album that sold 3 million copies.
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Right.
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You know? It has it.
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That's a really great program drum sound.
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Oh, it sounds amazing.
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And then combined with the... That's Thom Yorke, right?
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Yep.
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Singing. I mean, like, the-
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Look at him. It's Thom Yorke singing.
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See, I know it wasn't Robert Glasper, at least. I think it's not.
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No,
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we talked about this last time. He has such a unique voice, but the way they have
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it placed here, very difficult to...
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With the guitar as sort of the bridge between the humanity of the voice and the
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potential automation. They're actually using the automation of the drums.
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They're not hiding from that.
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That's part of the shtick on this, and I love it.
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Well, during this whole era, they're flirting with this mechanical, industrial-
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... and then organic.
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Mechanical industrial complex. They took over Guitar Center. It's a big problem.
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I believe it is a mix of acoustic and electric drums throughout this, but-
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... that program drums is so strong here.
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And I love these chords here that make up the main riff of the song.
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It's like an A flat minor
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to a D flat-
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... major to an E flat minor. It's like in A flat Dorian mode, which is kind of an
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odd mode for-
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Right
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... one of these kinds of songs.
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It's a kind of forlorn... It's nostalgic, but kind of-
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... wistful.
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Wispy, forlorn, a little bit.
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It's-
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Evocative of a mansion in the rain, in-
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Oh
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... somebody would be eating Yorkshire pudding.
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No, they're eating Yorkshire pudding.
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We're gonna get to that.
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Okay.
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We're gonna get to that. No, it's interesting because I think this is a great-
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Who took my pudding? Sorry. That was random.
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Yeah. No, that was definitely what they were saying over there.
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No, that's Jonny Greenwood. This sounds just like that.
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Who took my pudding?
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But no, it's a really high energy first track.
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It's not my favorite first track on a Radiohead album.
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I don't think you can do better than "Everything in Its Right Place" in my opinion.
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Wait, did you just say, "It's not my favorite" and Radiohead in the same sentence?
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I never thought I'd hear the day.
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I have many opinions. But I think it's awesome.
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I think it sets the stage for what this is.
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What is great about "15 Step" is that it sets the stage with what makes In Rainbows
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so good, and what makes it so popular-
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Mm
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... is because In Rainbows is Radiohead sort of getting back to a very
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guitar-based sound.
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Mm.
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When we listen to Kid A, lots of synthesizers, lot of like-
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But that was very intentional, right? As I recall.
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Very intentional. They were getting away from guitar-based sounds.
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Right. A little bit of a reaction.
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We want some more atmospheric stuff, right?
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Yeah.
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We want some of ambient music's influences.
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And this is them going back to a little bit of a great mix between some of that
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program drums-
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Yep
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... and the sort of ambient synths.
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But almost the entire album, the guitars have really come back to take the lead as
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the instrument. Whereas throughout Kid A, throughout Amnesiac, even Hail to the
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Thief, the piano is pretty heavy on all that, and all the keyboards are pretty
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heavy on that.
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Yeah.
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So I think that's why this is so successful.
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It's like they're at a place in their career where they're balancing these two
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things.
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Yeah. Well, it's interesting. I think you mentioned as we were prepping beforehand,
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that this album, In Rainbows, has had a resurgent-
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100%
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... resurgence amongst... We think of this, oh, it's 2007, which was just a few
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years ago. No, that would be 19 years ago, my friend.
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I know.
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But you said with younger folks, kind of 20s now?
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Well, no. These would be 30s.
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Oh.
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Basically millennials-
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Okay
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... who were teenagers in 2007.
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Oh.
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So for me, in 2007, I'm almost 30 years old.
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean? So for me, nostalgic Radiohead is OK Computer.
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Right.
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It's from 1997.
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Interesting.
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It's from 2000, right?
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Yeah.
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And so Radiohead had such a big
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high point of their career, such a good peak.
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Over the course of probably 12 years, they were really at a good artistic peak,
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that this is, I think, their last great album, in my opinion.
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Mm.
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I love the last two albums. I think they're wonderful, but I think this is when
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they really had their last great artistic push.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so for me, a mid millennial, a young millennial, I think they feel very
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nostalgic about this album because whenever we talk...
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First of all, they're a huge generation. They're a lot of people.
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It is, right.
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So in all those polls that I was talking about, they just, In Rainbows just
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crushed.
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And I think when I talk to a lot of Gen X Radiohead fans-
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... it's always Kid A, OK Computer.
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This is past the-
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Right. So you're kind of... Yeah, now I'm seeing how you're sort of straddling
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between that, because I know you love this album, but there's definitely some...
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When we first talked about which Radiohead, we had a little meeting about it,
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remember?
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And you thought this was gonna be a meeting of equals. It was not.
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It was me saying, "Well, whatever.
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Whatever one you like best, go with that one."
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Yeah.
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But it's interesting, too, and just saying because it's been resurgent because
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this, I see the notes here. It did sell 3 million copies in the first year, so it
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wasn't a slow burn-
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That's-
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... I would imagine
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... for 2007, that's really, really good.
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Right, and no big hits on it or anything really.
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No, it's a Radiohead album.
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There never is.
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There never is. And was the best-selling vinyl record of 2008.
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But this is-
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Talk about a little mini resurgence on vinyl
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... this is right before vinyl was about to start even resurging.
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Right.
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So, and-
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It sold 17 copies on vinyl.
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Best album.
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Which in 2008, that puts you on the chart.
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Kind of. Well, it sold 16.
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Another interesting thing about the release of In Rainbows-
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... which I remember this happening because I thought it was so cool and so
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interesting.
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There was very little press around the release.
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I think they announced it the week before.
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"Hey, we're coming out with our new album." They were off of a major label.
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So they left, what was it, EMI, I think, is the label they were on?
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They left EMI, and they were Self-releasing this, and for the digital
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download, it was pay what you want.
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I remember this now. This was really the first time at scale anyone had done this,
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right?
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It was kind of a big deal.
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It was a very big deal.
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And I remember buying this for $5 because I was a traveling musician.
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I was like, wait-
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And wasn't there even like a thing with...
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They even had something variant on it with iTunes, with Apple iTunes, where you
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could get it on the store.
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No, I don't remember.
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It was some kind of funny pricing or something.
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Oh, maybe like later.
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Or maybe they were trying to get a pay and they were-
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Yeah
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... Steve Jobs was like...
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No, you could go to Radiohead's website and literally put in $0 if you wanted to.
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Right.
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But you know what's funny is, no one knows for sure, but I read that they probably
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averaged
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between $6 and $8.
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Yeah
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And because there was no label in between, this was, for them, a very commercially
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successful album.
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Interesting.
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Because they kept all of the money.
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Right.
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That they made. So-
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Mostly on virtual product, not on...
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Yeah. So there's no overhead.
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Yeah.
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So I'm sure they sell however many copies of Kid A on CD for
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$16.99 and $19.00.
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Yeah
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Maybe more than this. This-
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Wholesale price, $6 or $7 or something.
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Yeah, exactly.
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With the label on it.
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And then the label takes and their whatever.
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This is like all them, which is really smart.
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Interesting, yeah
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Especially if you have that kind of power.
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I feel like Prince around this time, maybe it was a little later, or maybe at the
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same time, was definitely trying some things like this, too.
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Yeah.
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It was such an interesting kind of Wild West, like what's going to...
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Yeah
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Everyone still loves music, but how is it going to be consumed?
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Because it was post-Napster mostly.
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Totally. There was the Napster scare, and this is the bands being like, "No, we can
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do this ourselves."
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And remember the labels were trying to do some jankety online, where you had to
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sign up for the... But you could only get stuff on that label.
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Apple was really the only one to have kind of figure it out with the iTunes.
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Yeah
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But even that was like plug in the iPod and-
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Yeah
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... which was fun.
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There were like, so the comedian Louis C.K., I remember he'd sell his specials off
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of his website.
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Mm.
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You could pay $10 or whatever for-
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Right
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... a digital download of the special instead of on iTunes or whatever.
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So this was that time where people were really taking advantage of that
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post-Napster, pre-Spotify-
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Yeah
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... kind of vibes.
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Yep.
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Okay. The second track is "Bodysnatchers."
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And again, driving guitars. This is not something you would hear-
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Right
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... three or four years ago as much.
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I do not
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understand
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What it is
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I've done wrong
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For mother old
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checks the post
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And itchy eyed won't forget
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To know
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me
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I have no idea what I talk
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about
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I'm chasing ideas that got
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away Ooh
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I feel like those single note synth lines.
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Yeah.
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It's like when you hear Stevie layering the single note synths-
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Yeah
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... in his classic era. This is classic era Radiohead, where you hear those warbly
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single note synths that come in-
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Yeah
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... and create this eerie line.
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And they're almost more affecting the music harmonically than melodically.
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Their melody line's almost secondary to the harmony.
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That's what came in and-
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Yeah
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... kind of pushed things. Very interesting.
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I have no idea what I talk about
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The last words I remember Someone said of you
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Wow, this is one vocal take.
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Yeah.
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Left virtually untouched.
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First take.
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Interesting.
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And again, the warbly synth,
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and the harmony there.
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And he's so... The tom drum is so far placed back in the mix.
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Yeah. Yeah, on top of-
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It's kind of tucked right in there
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... it's what I love about the way they-
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Much more than the first record
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... I love the second half of the song.
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Now this,
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as little as I know about Radiohead, as soon as I hear that kind of...
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Was that keyboard or guitar?
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That's acoustic guitar.
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Man, I would immediately know it's Radiohead. To me, this is classic.
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It broke into a run And I scared from the end And I
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scared from the end I
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raised a
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glass to see
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Just gorgeous. They have so many songs that are like this, that are kind of like A,
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B, A, B, C.
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Mm-hmm.
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In the last minute and a half-
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It's something, yeah
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... it's something completely different. And always so harmonically interesting.
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Like, if that were in the hands of another sort of rock band from that time, it's
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going to stay pretty straightforward.
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The producer's going to be like, "No, guys, we've got to keep it-
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Yeah
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... palatable or whatever."
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Yeah
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But they're adding all this, like when that warbly synth comes in and it's going to
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those weird minor six chords-
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Yeah
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... and minor major seven chords, and then the end has these the classic,
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like the minor chord over the third.
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Yeah.
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That's another huge thing with their harmony. I love it, man.
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I'm such a sucker for it. Hey, everyone, taking a break real quick.
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We throw around a lot of music theory terms here in the show.
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If you're Googling things like what is a triad, or-
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Hold on. I'm Googling what is a triad.
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Okay
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... or what is a Lydian chord?
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How do you spell Lydian?
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You don't have to play that, bro.
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Okay. Sorry.
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Good news. We have all the answers for you in the Liner Notes.
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You'll find the Liner Notes companion guide with clear, simple explanations of the
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concepts we explore in this episode in the episode description.
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Download the Liner Notes for this episode for free today.
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The next track, this is actually one of their oldest songs.
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Mm.
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They could never find a version that they liked in all their years of recording
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until 2007. This is called "Nude."
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Don't
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care that
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bigger tears
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That are
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gonna burn
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The contrasting textures here are the dry drums and the wet vocals.
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Yeah.
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Mm.
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New pages of white
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reflect all
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There's so much intentionality to their harmonic progression.
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Yeah
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Very clear and like...
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Something missing
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I mean, we talked about this when we talked about OK Computer, but it's no wonder
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that a lot of modern jazz musicians really respond to this music well.
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You could hear
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someone, like a young modern jazz musician-
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Right
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... writing a tune that sounds like this.
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Yeah, and I think for folks that are like, "What are you talking about?
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This isn't jazz. How the hell do you hear that?" There's a
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certain type of...
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I mean, it's really composition. I mean, yes, there's the songwriting part of it,
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but I think for this kind of thing, it's really the composition that could be any
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style. I don't even know what we would call this style or genre.
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But when a jazz musician hears it, we're connecting, I would say primarily
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with the harmony, and how the harmony changes.
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And that's what we talk about, the changes.
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Yeah
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It's primarily a harmonic thing, and then we start thinking about, "Oh, how could
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we adapt that?" Not necessarily just...
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I know a lot of times we get a bad rap for like-
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Yeah
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... mess it up and ruin it.
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Yeah
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But it's more like, is there something there that inspires us?
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Not unlike the tradition coming out of the bebop musicians taking- A Cole Porter
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song
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Great American Songbook songs
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Great American Songbooks
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And it is the harmony. And-
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I know. Because if it doesn't have that, you have to manufacture it
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Yeah
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Which we might do anyway.
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Yeah, we might do. But also, I think it's the way the melody and the harmony
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interact.
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Yes, for sure.
476
00:18:35,442 --> 00:18:39,792
There's a lot of these long, held notes where the harmony changes underneath in an
477
00:18:39,822 --> 00:18:40,513
interesting way.
478
00:18:40,662 --> 00:18:40,827
Right
479
00:18:41,082 --> 00:18:43,272
That's like a Wayne Shorter thing. You know what I mean?
480
00:18:43,303 --> 00:18:47,067
But if you think about the great pop songs that have beautiful melodies, and they
481
00:18:47,082 --> 00:18:50,112
don't have those necessarily interesting things with the harmony underneath.
482
00:18:50,172 --> 00:18:55,962
When a jazz musician would take that, we have to create all that ourselves, right?
483
00:18:56,022 --> 00:18:56,172
Yeah
484
00:18:56,322 --> 00:18:58,303
And maybe we shouldn't be, but that's what we do.
485
00:18:58,332 --> 00:19:01,513
Whereas with this type of material, I can definitely hear it on that.
486
00:19:01,872 --> 00:19:04,782
And I correct myself, there was a hit. This was actually a top 40 hit.
487
00:19:04,842 --> 00:19:06,852
This was in the US and the UK.
488
00:19:06,882 --> 00:19:07,557
Okay, it was? Oh, interesting.
489
00:19:07,572 --> 00:19:08,517
Yeah. Number 37
490
00:19:08,591 --> 00:19:08,652
Wow
491
00:19:08,832 --> 00:19:09,042
But-
492
00:19:09,642 --> 00:19:11,202
First US top 40 hit since Creep.
493
00:19:11,442 --> 00:19:11,712
Right.
494
00:19:11,982 --> 00:19:12,402
Crazy.
495
00:19:12,553 --> 00:19:12,852
Yeah.
496
00:19:12,912 --> 00:19:13,122
Wow.
497
00:19:13,482 --> 00:19:16,182
Well, as you said before, that was not their jam-
498
00:19:16,303 --> 00:19:16,347
No
499
00:19:16,392 --> 00:19:19,317
... to put out a bunch of singles. What was I... Oh, yeah.
500
00:19:19,392 --> 00:19:23,352
So the harmony underneath, when there's already some interesting things, actually,
501
00:19:23,442 --> 00:19:26,396
we don't need to do as much with this type of material.
502
00:19:26,562 --> 00:19:30,912
Same way with a great standard tune that you don't have to re-harmonize and stuff.
503
00:19:31,002 --> 00:19:31,647
So it
504
00:19:33,222 --> 00:19:38,502
more, I think, comes from a fairly organic place for jazz musicians to take
505
00:19:38,532 --> 00:19:41,876
different- It's not about like, "Oh, let me jazz up Radiohead because I always
506
00:19:41,952 --> 00:19:44,982
love that, but now I want to turn it into what I want to do." It's more like we
507
00:19:45,042 --> 00:19:47,157
hear something there. We hear possibilities-
508
00:19:47,292 --> 00:19:47,442
Yeah
509
00:19:47,982 --> 00:19:51,178
... beyond that, but not like we're having to take it apart so much we should've
510
00:19:51,192 --> 00:19:54,282
just written our own tune. Although some people say that.
511
00:19:55,242 --> 00:19:55,542
It's true, it's true.
512
00:19:55,632 --> 00:19:56,457
But when it's done well-
513
00:19:56,652 --> 00:19:57,117
When it's done well
514
00:19:57,117 --> 00:19:57,867
... when it's done well-
515
00:19:57,942 --> 00:19:59,067
It feeds us
516
00:19:59,067 --> 00:20:00,237
... it's an extension, maybe, of it
517
00:20:00,237 --> 00:20:02,532
It feeds us enough nutrients
518
00:20:02,622 --> 00:20:02,638
Right
519
00:20:02,638 --> 00:20:04,888
... musical nutrients that we can really dig in.
520
00:20:05,142 --> 00:20:06,312
You're saying it feeds our soul.
521
00:20:06,402 --> 00:20:06,672
Yes.
522
00:20:06,702 --> 00:20:07,182
Yes.
523
00:20:07,212 --> 00:20:10,167
The next track is, this might be my favorite track on the album
524
00:20:10,303 --> 00:20:10,572
Yep
525
00:20:10,962 --> 00:20:14,682
... so much so that I got a little surprise for everybody after we listen to it.
526
00:20:14,742 --> 00:20:16,812
This is "Weird Fishes."
527
00:20:24,222 --> 00:20:24,492
Hmm.
528
00:20:47,172 --> 00:20:49,632
I love the bass here. In fourths.
529
00:20:51,882 --> 00:20:52,782
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
530
00:20:53,082 --> 00:20:53,862
Now it's an octave
531
00:20:54,042 --> 00:20:54,222
Yeah.
532
00:20:54,282 --> 00:20:54,882
Yeah, nice.
533
00:20:57,553 --> 00:20:59,067
I wish there was a simple way to learn that.
534
00:21:02,967 --> 00:21:02,997
Me too.
535
00:21:02,997 --> 00:21:03,372
More soon
536
00:21:15,147 --> 00:21:17,412
Down in the deepest ocean
537
00:21:21,222 --> 00:21:23,202
The bottom of the sea
538
00:21:26,952 --> 00:21:30,042
Your eyes
539
00:21:31,392 --> 00:21:35,053
They turn me
540
00:21:40,272 --> 00:21:42,732
Why should I stay here
541
00:21:46,542 --> 00:21:47,712
Why should I stay
542
00:21:47,742 --> 00:21:48,072
Can
543
00:21:53,412 --> 00:21:55,482
we get an angsty movie to throw this-
544
00:21:56,053 --> 00:21:58,542
Oh, I'm sure there's been a few movies this has been on
545
00:21:59,263 --> 00:22:00,162
... this soundtrack on now? Teenage angst
546
00:22:00,432 --> 00:22:06,252
I'd be crazy not
547
00:22:06,372 --> 00:22:07,888
to follow where you lead
548
00:22:07,888 --> 00:22:08,772
It's just keeps building.
549
00:22:10,752 --> 00:22:11,412
Adding layers
550
00:22:11,442 --> 00:22:11,502
Yeah
551
00:22:11,517 --> 00:22:12,912
... things are swirling.
552
00:22:14,412 --> 00:22:19,287
We play this song in my trio, and maybe we'll do a version for this show, but
553
00:22:20,682 --> 00:22:24,837
I tried to figure out the pattern in that swirling main guitar, and it's not
554
00:22:24,882 --> 00:22:26,442
random, but it's also not-
555
00:22:26,472 --> 00:22:27,222
It's not square.
556
00:22:27,312 --> 00:22:27,567
Yeah.
557
00:22:27,702 --> 00:22:27,732
Right
558
00:22:27,747 --> 00:22:29,562
It's like they're kind of just playing it.
559
00:22:29,622 --> 00:22:29,696
Yeah
560
00:22:29,712 --> 00:22:33,807
And I think whoever is playing that, probably Jonny Greenwood, is doing whatever
561
00:22:33,822 --> 00:22:34,632
he wants with it. You know?
562
00:22:34,662 --> 00:22:37,752
But it's interesting, too. You hear as the different layers come in, as the
563
00:22:37,782 --> 00:22:43,707
intensity grows, the one thing that's not changing, I don't think at all, is
564
00:22:43,752 --> 00:22:45,717
the drum groove. Well, you have that cymbal crash-
565
00:22:45,792 --> 00:22:45,912
Yeah
566
00:22:45,928 --> 00:22:47,502
... which hasn't been there in a while. Now it's opening up.
567
00:22:47,562 --> 00:22:48,192
Now it's opening up.
568
00:22:48,282 --> 00:22:50,862
So that was a long way of disciplining that same pattern-
569
00:22:50,922 --> 00:22:51,222
For sure
570
00:22:51,252 --> 00:22:55,077
... but using the other elements, whereas the drums is the most obvious one.
571
00:22:55,152 --> 00:22:56,112
Now you save that.
572
00:22:58,362 --> 00:23:00,641
Now you got it. Everything's open, right?
573
00:23:01,872 --> 00:23:04,572
They'll take everything
574
00:23:04,992 --> 00:23:07,872
Now there's guitars, there's synths serving.
575
00:23:08,967 --> 00:23:10,632
Yeah. Definitely more guitar heavy over the right
576
00:23:10,752 --> 00:23:12,582
As long as you lead It's
577
00:23:14,053 --> 00:23:15,732
my turn
578
00:23:16,513 --> 00:23:20,832
And then he moves into that background vocal, which has a lot more verb and effect
579
00:23:20,922 --> 00:23:21,042
on
580
00:23:21,132 --> 00:23:22,722
I'm drawn by the worms
581
00:23:22,752 --> 00:23:25,482
Hmm. And then all of a sudden, it feels like we're in a fish tank
582
00:23:26,202 --> 00:23:28,032
Weird fishes
583
00:23:28,122 --> 00:23:29,622
And all of a sudden, his voice is dry.
584
00:23:29,922 --> 00:23:30,492
Totally dry.
585
00:23:31,932 --> 00:23:33,492
But it's a weird fish. A dry fish.
586
00:23:38,652 --> 00:23:41,622
Drawn by the worms Weird fishes
587
00:23:44,982 --> 00:23:46,946
Weird fishes
588
00:23:49,602 --> 00:23:52,242
It's a great build, and break it down
589
00:23:52,272 --> 00:23:56,112
Weird fishes
590
00:24:38,622 --> 00:24:40,032
Guitars are back in it now
591
00:24:41,592 --> 00:24:42,612
Yes
592
00:24:47,682 --> 00:24:48,492
Again, it's that
593
00:24:50,922 --> 00:24:52,481
two distinct sections.
594
00:24:52,782 --> 00:24:52,932
Yeah.
595
00:24:53,022 --> 00:24:54,852
This is the whole end of the song is totally different
596
00:24:54,972 --> 00:24:55,122
Right
597
00:24:55,242 --> 00:24:56,022
It's not going to go back.
598
00:24:56,172 --> 00:24:56,742
Two stories.
599
00:25:00,882 --> 00:25:01,002
Yeah.
600
00:25:01,017 --> 00:25:04,002
Yeah, once they broke down without the drums, it was like either going to stay
601
00:25:04,032 --> 00:25:08,382
there or if they came back in, which they did, it's something different.
602
00:25:08,472 --> 00:25:14,382
It's great. Man, their use of large form within these
603
00:25:15,162 --> 00:25:20,067
songs that are not that long, actually, but each one kind of feels epic because of
604
00:25:20,112 --> 00:25:24,072
their mastery of form and balance in terms of how the music is presented.
605
00:25:24,132 --> 00:25:24,432
Totally
606
00:25:24,492 --> 00:25:27,582
Which is really certainly the composition, but also the production.
607
00:25:27,642 --> 00:25:30,942
And one thing about In Rainbows is this might be the most complete album where
608
00:25:30,972 --> 00:25:34,032
there's really no filler on it. Every song is very, very solid.
609
00:25:34,362 --> 00:25:38,203
Not that there's ever that many skippable tracks at all on a Radiohead album, but
610
00:25:38,232 --> 00:25:41,997
man, everything is so slamming on this.
611
00:25:41,997 --> 00:25:43,047
And this song in particular-
612
00:25:43,122 --> 00:25:44,652
Everything's in its right place, is that what you're saying?
613
00:25:44,712 --> 00:25:45,912
Yeah, everything's in its right place.
614
00:25:47,292 --> 00:25:50,112
Hey, Peter, remember last week I made a lesson to teach beginners how to play
615
00:25:50,203 --> 00:25:52,393
"Isn't She Lovely" from Songs in the Key of Life?
616
00:25:52,513 --> 00:25:52,813
Mm-hmm.
617
00:25:54,042 --> 00:25:54,942
I did it again.
618
00:25:55,393 --> 00:25:57,672
Oops. He did it again.
619
00:25:58,033 --> 00:25:59,652
No, not yet. That's later this season.
620
00:25:59,712 --> 00:25:59,727
Okay.
621
00:25:59,742 --> 00:26:02,652
Yeah. No, I took a song from In Rainbows. I took "Weird Fishes."
622
00:26:02,802 --> 00:26:06,013
And I made a lesson aimed at people who have never played piano before.
623
00:26:06,072 --> 00:26:09,972
So if you want to learn how to play "Weird Fishes" on the piano and you've never even
624
00:26:10,152 --> 00:26:12,792
touched a piano before, or maybe you took lessons years ago, I don't know.
625
00:26:12,942 --> 00:26:13,302
Yeah.
626
00:26:13,393 --> 00:26:14,772
I'm going to show you how to do that.
627
00:26:14,832 --> 00:26:20,022
It's starting to become a little bit of a club. A little bit of a club for players.
628
00:26:20,172 --> 00:26:22,272
Oh, so you're saying like a Players Club.
629
00:26:22,332 --> 00:26:23,772
A little bit of a Players Club.
630
00:26:23,787 --> 00:26:24,162
Nice. I like it.
631
00:26:24,357 --> 00:26:26,442
Yeah. I've been having such a blast making these lessons.
632
00:26:26,622 --> 00:26:29,247
I show you exactly what to do, where to put your hands.
633
00:26:29,292 --> 00:26:32,982
We even had our producer, Liz, try this, and she is nailing it.
634
00:26:33,042 --> 00:26:34,752
Really? I didn't even know Liz had a piano.
635
00:26:34,932 --> 00:26:35,441
Me either.
636
00:26:35,906 --> 00:26:36,328
That's awesome.
637
00:26:36,582 --> 00:26:40,063
This is a bit of a first for Open Studio, where we're teaching even early beginners
638
00:26:40,092 --> 00:26:40,513
how to play.
639
00:26:40,768 --> 00:26:44,802
Right. And this is not a free offering, we want to be clear, but it is a value pack
640
00:26:44,893 --> 00:26:46,092
offering, so I'm excited about it.
641
00:26:46,152 --> 00:26:49,332
It really is. So go check it out. I'll teach you how to play "Weird Fishes."
642
00:26:49,692 --> 00:26:52,002
And you can learn how to play "Isn't She Lovely," too.
643
00:26:52,242 --> 00:26:54,462
We're calling this series of lessons the Players Club.
644
00:26:54,522 --> 00:26:57,252
You can find out more at the show notes. Go check it out.
645
00:26:57,732 --> 00:26:58,393
Now, I mean-
646
00:26:58,542 --> 00:26:59,277
Track number five, right?
647
00:26:59,292 --> 00:27:00,867
Track number five. Now we're really getting into-
648
00:27:00,867 --> 00:27:01,317
We're getting into the-
649
00:27:01,347 --> 00:27:02,622
... some great stuff. This is "All I Need."
650
00:27:34,617 --> 00:27:35,862
F, Ph.
651
00:27:37,408 --> 00:27:40,557
I'm the next act
652
00:27:41,908 --> 00:27:45,492
waiting in the wings.
653
00:27:51,117 --> 00:27:56,697
I'm an animal trapped in
654
00:27:56,877 --> 00:27:59,188
your car.
655
00:28:04,917 --> 00:28:10,768
I am all the days that you choose to
656
00:28:10,888 --> 00:28:12,507
ignore.
657
00:28:23,908 --> 00:28:26,638
You are all I need.
658
00:28:29,217 --> 00:28:32,067
You're all I need.
659
00:28:33,057 --> 00:28:34,677
What I love about this is where it sits.
660
00:28:34,977 --> 00:28:39,328
So we're coming out of the thickest song on the album, just those swirling guitars
661
00:28:39,357 --> 00:28:41,427
and synths for four minutes.
662
00:28:41,518 --> 00:28:41,967
Yeah.
663
00:28:41,997 --> 00:28:44,247
And then we just go to a bass line and a vocal.
664
00:28:44,337 --> 00:28:44,547
Yeah.
665
00:28:44,847 --> 00:28:45,283
Simple drum beat.
666
00:28:45,297 --> 00:28:49,197
And I love that this was assembled from four different takes.
667
00:28:49,287 --> 00:28:49,797
Oh, really?
668
00:28:49,888 --> 00:28:54,252
Yes. And they actually did this in some other places in the album, but this is kind
669
00:28:54,297 --> 00:28:57,013
of the thickest version of that. Vocals from one take, drums from another,
670
00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:01,901
and they kind of picked all the best bits, then forced them together.
671
00:29:01,917 --> 00:29:05,007
Thom Yorke called it deliberate disembodiment.
672
00:29:05,578 --> 00:29:05,967
Wow.
673
00:29:06,057 --> 00:29:06,747
Yeah.
674
00:29:06,987 --> 00:29:10,796
Next up, we've got "Faust Arp." These are featuring strings from the Millennia
675
00:29:11,097 --> 00:29:13,302
Ensemble, conducted by Sally Herbert.
676
00:29:14,217 --> 00:29:14,877
Y2K.
677
00:29:15,147 --> 00:29:16,302
Everton Nelson.
678
00:29:16,347 --> 00:29:16,707
What's up?
679
00:29:16,947 --> 00:29:18,597
This is a great song. This is-
680
00:29:18,627 --> 00:29:19,317
You survived
681
00:29:19,467 --> 00:29:20,247
... "Faust Arp."
682
00:29:23,847 --> 00:29:25,587
One, two, three, four.
683
00:29:25,707 --> 00:29:31,018
Wakey wakey, rise and shine. It's on again, off again, on again.
684
00:29:31,047 --> 00:29:32,203
And watch me fall like-
685
00:29:32,277 --> 00:29:32,757
One, three
686
00:29:32,967 --> 00:29:34,813
... a falling nose. Pretty patterns-
687
00:29:34,917 --> 00:29:36,057
Oh, it's up
688
00:29:36,297 --> 00:29:41,786
... in the back of my eye. And tingling, tingling, tingling is what you feel.
689
00:29:41,847 --> 00:29:46,513
No, what you are to, what you are to. Reasonable is sensible.
690
00:29:47,022 --> 00:29:47,522
Good.
691
00:29:47,097 --> 00:29:49,977
Deaf from the neck up. I guess I'm stuck.
692
00:29:50,817 --> 00:29:53,427
I think that's the Radiohead.
693
00:29:53,442 --> 00:29:54,942
You thought you had it enough.
694
00:29:55,347 --> 00:29:55,497
Yeah.
695
00:29:56,067 --> 00:29:58,677
No, no.
696
00:29:58,707 --> 00:29:59,847
Well, who was it? They called it-
697
00:30:00,507 --> 00:30:05,337
Squeeze the tubes and empty bottles. I take a bow, take a bow, take a bow.
698
00:30:05,533 --> 00:30:06,177
It's what you feel
699
00:30:06,207 --> 00:30:09,042
... Thom Yorke called it their "Revolver," this album.
700
00:30:09,268 --> 00:30:10,828
Oh, that makes total sense, actually.
701
00:30:10,842 --> 00:30:11,908
Yeah. He called it Radiohead's-
702
00:30:12,027 --> 00:30:12,297
Oh, that's-
703
00:30:12,313 --> 00:30:12,792
... later on
704
00:30:12,897 --> 00:30:13,677
... super interesting.
705
00:30:13,828 --> 00:30:13,842
Yeah.
706
00:30:13,857 --> 00:30:15,582
Wow. I never heard that.
707
00:30:15,837 --> 00:30:19,227
This is also the earliest I've ever heard Thom Yorke enter a song.
708
00:30:19,677 --> 00:30:21,388
Yeah. He comes right away.
709
00:30:21,417 --> 00:30:25,647
He's usually like, "Get the vibe happening, then I'll get there when I get there.
710
00:30:25,977 --> 00:30:27,207
Let me know when the party's started."
711
00:30:27,237 --> 00:30:27,763
So true too.
712
00:30:27,807 --> 00:30:30,087
"Let me know when the angst is elevated, then I'm entering."
713
00:30:30,222 --> 00:30:30,897
Great call.
714
00:30:31,617 --> 00:30:34,677
No. Tell me, baby, that I can go.
715
00:30:34,737 --> 00:30:35,487
Yeah, but it's very
716
00:30:36,837 --> 00:30:39,688
Beatlesque. And with the strings super present.
717
00:30:39,807 --> 00:30:39,957
Yeah.
718
00:30:40,422 --> 00:30:42,477
Whenever the Beatles bring in the strings, they'll be like, boom.
719
00:30:43,317 --> 00:30:44,787
There's no real reason.
720
00:30:46,857 --> 00:30:49,138
Ooh, that's a well-recorded, well-played guitar.
721
00:30:51,447 --> 00:30:55,078
The balance between the bass tenor strings and the...
722
00:30:56,908 --> 00:30:59,908
And then the low bass comes in there for the first time.
723
00:31:01,737 --> 00:31:03,057
I wouldn't be surprised if they even spent
724
00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:08,397
tens of hours mixing each of these tracks.
725
00:31:08,487 --> 00:31:08,502
For sure.
726
00:31:08,502 --> 00:31:10,586
There's a lot of intentionality in the mix.
727
00:31:10,737 --> 00:31:18,658
But
728
00:31:18,672 --> 00:31:19,768
I-
729
00:31:23,967 --> 00:31:25,467
Two minutes, that's all you need. Yeah.
730
00:31:25,513 --> 00:31:28,138
And so when we talk about mix, I know sometimes people are like, "What do you mean
731
00:31:28,167 --> 00:31:33,897
they spend time mixing it up when they're playing songs?" No, after the track is
732
00:31:33,987 --> 00:31:38,067
finished, I have the feeling with them too, correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Radiohead.
733
00:31:39,027 --> 00:31:41,607
Let me text Robert Glasper, see who can out-Radiohead who.
734
00:31:42,328 --> 00:31:43,857
Can we please get Robert Glasper on the show?
735
00:31:44,067 --> 00:31:46,347
And we can just listen to what he wants to listen to.
736
00:31:46,467 --> 00:31:49,408
I'm really interested in what is on his playlists.
737
00:31:49,677 --> 00:31:55,587
Right. So when we talk about putting the track together, rehearsing,
738
00:31:55,647 --> 00:31:58,301
recording, and on the track before this,
739
00:32:01,377 --> 00:32:07,107
for "All I Need," for using different tracks to assemble it.
740
00:32:07,167 --> 00:32:12,147
That's still not mixing. The mixing process starts, I'm telling you, you know this
741
00:32:12,177 --> 00:32:13,947
because you've done this, this is for the dear listeners.
742
00:32:14,127 --> 00:32:14,397
Yeah.
743
00:32:14,457 --> 00:32:19,828
The mixing process traditionally starts in earnest once everything is done
744
00:32:19,857 --> 00:32:20,847
musically. The whole thing has been-
745
00:32:20,877 --> 00:32:21,717
Ideally.
746
00:32:21,732 --> 00:32:23,277
Ideally. Although actually, you know what?
747
00:32:23,307 --> 00:32:25,272
There's a lot of mixing that goes on as it goes.
748
00:32:25,347 --> 00:32:25,977
There's a lot of mixing. I know, I know.
749
00:32:26,067 --> 00:32:28,018
But traditionally, you've got the track.
750
00:32:28,047 --> 00:32:29,967
At a certain point, you have to be like, the music is what it is.
751
00:32:30,507 --> 00:32:34,647
But you would be shocked at how much, especially I know on an album like this-
752
00:32:34,662 --> 00:32:34,947
Oh, my God
753
00:32:35,037 --> 00:32:40,828
... the mix affects the music. And by its very most basic definition, the mix
754
00:32:40,888 --> 00:32:43,992
is just how much guitar there is, how loud it is-
755
00:32:44,127 --> 00:32:44,578
Yeah
756
00:32:44,592 --> 00:32:46,888
... in relation to the drums, in relation to the vocal.
757
00:32:47,127 --> 00:32:49,332
That's just the basic thing, and moving those.
758
00:32:49,377 --> 00:32:51,792
And so when you talk about a mixer, it's like pushing those, let's try it with
759
00:32:51,867 --> 00:32:55,212
this. But it's also like, well, no, just push up the vocals a little bit for that
760
00:32:55,257 --> 00:32:55,872
one word-
761
00:32:55,917 --> 00:32:56,037
Yeah
762
00:32:56,051 --> 00:32:56,592
... or pull it back.
763
00:32:56,697 --> 00:32:56,712
Well-
764
00:32:56,712 --> 00:32:57,567
That's called active mixing
765
00:32:57,582 --> 00:32:58,391
... and sometimes-
766
00:32:58,438 --> 00:33:01,422
You don't have to over-active mix it
767
00:33:01,422 --> 00:33:03,732
... comping of the tracks happens in the mix because you hear things-
768
00:33:03,763 --> 00:33:04,263
Right
769
00:33:03,867 --> 00:33:06,688
... in a new way, and you're like, "Should we take out that four-bar section?" That
770
00:33:06,717 --> 00:33:06,822
happens.
771
00:33:06,897 --> 00:33:11,457
Right. But then the other big part of the mix is how each of the tracks or the
772
00:33:11,518 --> 00:33:16,797
instruments sound. So you brought up a couple of times how wet or how
773
00:33:17,217 --> 00:33:17,667
dry-
774
00:33:17,877 --> 00:33:17,922
Yeah
775
00:33:17,922 --> 00:33:21,537
... a vocal is, reverb, not EQ, pushing up the high.
776
00:33:21,597 --> 00:33:23,727
There's so many different things, you would be shocked.
777
00:33:23,817 --> 00:33:28,332
So somebody who mixes an album, and I have the feeling that I'm sure Greenwood and
778
00:33:28,527 --> 00:33:30,117
Thom Yorke and stuff were very involved with that.
779
00:33:30,177 --> 00:33:32,247
It just feels like that kind of band, right?
780
00:33:32,277 --> 00:33:32,367
For sure.
781
00:33:32,697 --> 00:33:35,082
Where they're very involved with the mix, with the engineer, with the producer.
782
00:33:35,158 --> 00:33:37,453
Yeah. Compared to acoustic music that we make-
783
00:33:37,587 --> 00:33:37,677
Yeah
784
00:33:37,707 --> 00:33:43,107
... where the mix is maybe 10, 15% of the art on the album.
785
00:33:43,377 --> 00:33:43,557
Right.
786
00:33:43,828 --> 00:33:44,367
You would say like-
787
00:33:44,427 --> 00:33:45,837
Yeah, and just the amount of time spent-
788
00:33:45,927 --> 00:33:46,018
Yeah
789
00:33:46,033 --> 00:33:48,927
... compared to. Although it can get pushed, too.
790
00:33:49,138 --> 00:33:50,712
It's like 50% or more-
791
00:33:50,967 --> 00:33:51,087
Yeah
792
00:33:51,102 --> 00:33:52,002
... on an album like this.
793
00:33:52,078 --> 00:33:52,138
Right.
794
00:33:52,197 --> 00:33:56,457
It's so important. Like you mentioned, when Thom Yorke's vocals go dry in that
795
00:33:56,487 --> 00:34:00,447
breakdown in "Weird Fishes," that is an incredible artistic choice.
796
00:34:00,596 --> 00:34:00,701
Right.
797
00:34:00,763 --> 00:34:02,307
That's art happening in the mix.
798
00:34:02,697 --> 00:34:06,057
Yeah, and it affects the music as much as the harmony that was chosen.
799
00:34:06,117 --> 00:34:06,446
Yeah, totally.
800
00:34:06,477 --> 00:34:10,002
When to drop the drums out. And I'm sure for most of this, if not all of it, they
801
00:34:10,018 --> 00:34:14,772
have total isolation. That's another reason in a lot of acoustic music or jazz or
802
00:34:14,787 --> 00:34:19,467
whatever, classical, there's not as much put on to mix because you can't mix things
803
00:34:19,498 --> 00:34:21,582
separately because there's bleeding through and stuff like this.
804
00:34:21,957 --> 00:34:24,927
But the fact that they piece some of these things together from different takes on
805
00:34:24,957 --> 00:34:27,658
different instruments would indicate that they had total separation.
806
00:34:27,687 --> 00:34:32,007
So you can do any more, and a lot of times people over-mix and get too active with
807
00:34:32,037 --> 00:34:32,158
it.
808
00:34:32,397 --> 00:34:35,502
Well, since we're talking about reverb, we're talking about this next track,
809
00:34:35,562 --> 00:34:38,067
"Reckoner," which is one of my favorite Radiohead tracks of all time.
810
00:34:38,097 --> 00:34:39,252
Isn't it Rickoner?
811
00:34:39,268 --> 00:34:44,337
Rickoner. I think it's "Reckoner," and it's also one of my favorite reverbs ever.
812
00:34:46,662 --> 00:34:47,162
Woo.
813
00:34:51,147 --> 00:34:51,567
That's like
814
00:34:54,087 --> 00:34:57,867
big empty hall, box theater reverb.
815
00:34:59,157 --> 00:35:02,187
It reminds me of these Brazilian albums in the '70s-
816
00:35:02,202 --> 00:35:02,702
Mm.
817
00:35:02,202 --> 00:35:04,077
... that were samba school albums.
818
00:35:04,197 --> 00:35:04,377
Right.
819
00:35:04,498 --> 00:35:05,998
Sounded like they were recorded in a cave.
820
00:35:06,117 --> 00:35:06,297
Right.
821
00:35:07,677 --> 00:35:08,893
Drums in a big hall like that-
822
00:35:08,998 --> 00:35:09,207
Yeah
823
00:35:09,222 --> 00:35:10,827
... sound unbelievable.
824
00:35:13,407 --> 00:35:15,717
The guitar doesn't have it, I don't think.
825
00:35:17,907 --> 00:35:18,597
Yeah, it's just drums.
826
00:35:20,787 --> 00:35:21,957
This song came out of a jam.
827
00:35:22,167 --> 00:35:24,447
Yeah. Loose group jam.
828
00:35:24,748 --> 00:35:28,947
Apparently. But Thom Yorke's melody throughout here is haunting.
829
00:35:32,127 --> 00:35:34,587
That's the normal timing, Thom Yorke comes in.
830
00:35:35,592 --> 00:35:35,922
That's right.
831
00:35:35,967 --> 00:35:36,748
The party's started.
832
00:35:36,867 --> 00:35:37,931
50 seconds in.
833
00:35:37,931 --> 00:35:39,387
He's not like, "Oh, party's at 8:00?
834
00:35:39,417 --> 00:35:40,137
I'll be there at 8:00."
835
00:35:40,197 --> 00:35:41,487
Yeah. He's coming at 10:30.
836
00:35:41,518 --> 00:35:42,537
He's going to roll up out there.
837
00:35:52,557 --> 00:35:56,577
There's still no
838
00:35:57,147 --> 00:36:00,417
pleasure.
839
00:36:06,657 --> 00:36:08,007
It's a five-chord phrase.
840
00:36:08,397 --> 00:36:09,117
Yeah.
841
00:36:09,237 --> 00:36:10,768
You know what I mean? Like that verse part.
842
00:36:13,467 --> 00:36:15,612
You are not
843
00:36:17,637 --> 00:36:20,847
to blame for
844
00:36:23,007 --> 00:36:23,022
this.
845
00:36:24,807 --> 00:36:27,357
Man, that gives it such a-
846
00:36:27,912 --> 00:36:28,412
Yeah.
847
00:36:27,927 --> 00:36:30,147
It's so like that, but it's just enough.
848
00:36:30,207 --> 00:36:34,197
It's jarring in the most subtle way when you do that.
849
00:36:34,257 --> 00:36:35,937
For sure. It's great.
850
00:36:36,357 --> 00:36:42,027
Does this make sense?
851
00:36:42,582 --> 00:36:43,082
Very subtle.
852
00:36:50,592 --> 00:36:55,107
It gives you this rolling but unsettled macro environment right now.
853
00:36:55,123 --> 00:36:56,981
I'm telling you, you can hear Charles Lloyd playing this song.
854
00:36:57,162 --> 00:36:57,207
Yeah.
855
00:36:57,207 --> 00:37:00,687
You know what I mean? Just this soulful, uneasy but-
856
00:37:00,702 --> 00:37:01,272
Yeah.
857
00:37:06,643 --> 00:37:06,882
Ooh.
858
00:37:07,362 --> 00:37:09,177
It's a Radiohead song. We've got to have a whole different part.
859
00:37:09,222 --> 00:37:09,612
Breakdown.
860
00:37:09,732 --> 00:37:09,972
Yeah.
861
00:37:11,367 --> 00:37:12,432
Write down or break apart.
862
00:37:16,362 --> 00:37:19,512
Let's hook. This is all totally dry.
863
00:38:00,672 --> 00:38:03,462
Damn. Woo.
864
00:38:06,027 --> 00:38:10,422
There's at least two different angles on how that whole section, you could feel the
865
00:38:10,482 --> 00:38:13,873
time, and then when the drums came back in, it totally reset it.
866
00:38:16,032 --> 00:38:16,752
I'm telling you, man,
867
00:38:18,012 --> 00:38:20,802
every song on this one, one after the other.
868
00:38:20,893 --> 00:38:24,942
This next song, "House of Cards," had a Grammy nomination for Best Rock
869
00:38:24,972 --> 00:38:28,242
Performance, Best Rock Song, Best Short Form Music Video.
870
00:39:05,202 --> 00:39:08,771
Sam, we need to use more reverb variations when we do our tracks here.
871
00:39:08,802 --> 00:39:09,327
You know what I mean?
872
00:39:09,342 --> 00:39:09,927
These are extreme, man. Yeah.
873
00:39:09,972 --> 00:39:11,712
To have totally dry drums-
874
00:39:11,922 --> 00:39:12,072
Yeah
875
00:39:12,087 --> 00:39:13,152
... and then one haunting voice.
876
00:39:13,167 --> 00:39:14,457
It's very rare that you feel that much.
877
00:39:14,487 --> 00:39:14,922
It's so cool.
878
00:39:14,952 --> 00:39:15,101
Yeah.
879
00:39:15,162 --> 00:39:16,752
It's usually like 20% deep.
880
00:39:19,647 --> 00:39:22,512
That doesn't introduce until
881
00:39:24,432 --> 00:39:24,792
later.
882
00:39:25,873 --> 00:39:27,147
No, still 55 seconds.
883
00:39:27,432 --> 00:39:27,447
Oh.
884
00:39:27,462 --> 00:39:28,902
He's right in that 50-second mark.
885
00:39:29,052 --> 00:39:30,373
Oh, he's still. Oh, I thought it was more than a minute.
886
00:39:31,107 --> 00:39:33,117
No. That's when Thom Yorke joins the party, about a minute in.
887
00:39:51,402 --> 00:39:55,572
That little rattle percussion, it's almost like the classical percussion.
888
00:39:57,042 --> 00:39:57,702
What is that called?
889
00:40:04,452 --> 00:40:14,893
How's
890
00:40:14,996 --> 00:40:21,582
the
891
00:40:25,512 --> 00:40:26,442
music video for this?
892
00:40:28,482 --> 00:40:30,057
Well, this is past your music video days.
893
00:40:30,132 --> 00:40:31,677
This is past my music video days.
894
00:40:31,722 --> 00:40:31,768
Okay.
895
00:40:31,768 --> 00:40:32,337
Yeah, I'm sure it's awesome.
896
00:40:32,352 --> 00:40:33,507
You didn't watch your MTV anymore then?
897
00:40:33,643 --> 00:40:37,602
No. Actually, like I said, man, I was 30.
898
00:40:37,662 --> 00:40:40,812
I was married and getting ready to have kids during this time.
899
00:40:40,873 --> 00:40:41,037
Oh, wow.
900
00:40:41,052 --> 00:40:42,222
And I was on the road a lot, too-
901
00:40:42,373 --> 00:40:42,447
Yeah
902
00:40:42,822 --> 00:40:48,373
... at this time. So I actually kind of let go of my fandom for a lot of things
903
00:40:48,402 --> 00:40:48,762
during that time.
904
00:40:48,822 --> 00:40:48,897
Wow.
905
00:40:48,897 --> 00:40:50,817
You know how it goes. It's like you kind of went deep.
906
00:40:50,817 --> 00:40:51,492
It goes deep, man. It's deep.
907
00:40:51,643 --> 00:40:52,482
I'm back now.
908
00:40:53,172 --> 00:40:53,937
Really? I think you're back.
909
00:40:53,967 --> 00:40:56,112
The kids are teenagers now, so I'm totally back.
910
00:40:56,172 --> 00:40:57,416
They kind of pulled you back, too, a little bit, right? Yeah.
911
00:40:57,462 --> 00:41:02,757
They did. Actually, my daughter, last summer, gave a PowerPoint presentation for
912
00:41:02,772 --> 00:41:08,262
the family and some of our friends on every Radiohead album ranked, and it took
913
00:41:08,322 --> 00:41:10,873
everything in my being not to sob through all of it-
914
00:41:10,962 --> 00:41:11,442
Of course
915
00:41:11,742 --> 00:41:14,292
... because she put Kid A number one.
916
00:41:15,792 --> 00:41:15,807
Cool.
917
00:41:15,822 --> 00:41:16,197
And without-
918
00:41:16,272 --> 00:41:17,352
I'm surprised you could even get that out
919
00:41:17,382 --> 00:41:19,032
... and without me influencing her.
920
00:41:19,123 --> 00:41:23,412
I had no idea that she was going to do that, or she was that even into this band,
921
00:41:23,442 --> 00:41:27,027
and I was like, "I love you so much." So we're the same person.
922
00:41:27,132 --> 00:41:28,287
Rewriting your will as she-
923
00:41:28,362 --> 00:41:28,602
I know.
924
00:41:29,832 --> 00:41:31,152
She gets everything. Thom Yorke gets everything.
925
00:41:31,317 --> 00:41:31,812
That's awesome.
926
00:41:31,902 --> 00:41:35,352
All right. The next track, "Jigsaw Falling into Place," this incredible track.
927
00:41:35,382 --> 00:41:40,032
This was the lead single off this album. Came to number 30 in the UK charts.
928
00:41:40,572 --> 00:41:41,712
Didn't get anywhere in the US.
929
00:41:43,182 --> 00:41:43,752
Interesting.
930
00:41:47,832 --> 00:41:49,332
Charts were fiddly by this time.
931
00:41:49,512 --> 00:41:52,242
Charts, man, charts are next to zero by...
932
00:41:57,717 --> 00:41:58,572
How many seconds?
933
00:41:59,682 --> 00:42:02,742
We're at 23 right now. We'll see how long it takes.
934
00:42:08,172 --> 00:42:13,572
It is such a vibe, though, to come in, to have that as part of their
935
00:42:13,632 --> 00:42:14,322
style.
936
00:42:50,862 --> 00:43:18,101
Who's
937
00:43:18,132 --> 00:43:18,552
that singing?
938
00:43:18,912 --> 00:43:20,937
That's Thom Yorke. That is Thom Yorke singing.
939
00:43:20,952 --> 00:43:22,031
Dude, his range is ridiculous.
940
00:43:22,062 --> 00:43:23,112
That's crazy, man.
941
00:43:24,942 --> 00:43:26,907
He so often sings in his falsetto-
942
00:43:26,982 --> 00:43:27,192
Yeah
943
00:43:27,912 --> 00:43:30,147
... that when he goes down that low, it's like, "What the f**k?"
944
00:43:34,452 --> 00:43:35,067
Man, this is
945
00:43:37,152 --> 00:43:38,022
not a rock band.
946
00:43:38,502 --> 00:43:38,682
Yeah.
947
00:43:38,952 --> 00:43:39,147
Is it?
948
00:43:39,252 --> 00:43:40,842
Art rock is what we landed on before.
949
00:43:40,873 --> 00:43:41,682
Art rock. Did we say that? Okay.
950
00:43:41,802 --> 00:43:42,643
Yeah, but I don't know, man.
951
00:43:42,972 --> 00:43:46,032
There should be... I know you hate genres, famously.
952
00:43:46,062 --> 00:43:46,482
Famously.
953
00:43:46,752 --> 00:43:51,897
But I guess art rock makes... That always has a certain level of pretension
954
00:43:51,942 --> 00:43:53,652
whenever you say art something.
955
00:43:53,712 --> 00:43:55,047
Yeah. I think there's a level.
956
00:43:55,062 --> 00:43:57,522
No one would ever say art classical or art jazz.
957
00:43:57,582 --> 00:43:57,702
No.
958
00:43:57,822 --> 00:43:59,022
Because they're already hoity-toity.
959
00:43:59,052 --> 00:44:01,932
But they would call jazz and classical art music.
960
00:44:01,962 --> 00:44:02,742
I know. I don't like that.
961
00:44:03,042 --> 00:44:03,282
Yeah.
962
00:44:03,552 --> 00:44:05,697
Because it's like art music and folk music.
963
00:44:05,802 --> 00:44:06,252
Totally.
964
00:44:06,702 --> 00:44:10,077
Ignorant folk music and highbrow classical.
965
00:44:10,077 --> 00:44:10,302
High class.
966
00:44:11,143 --> 00:44:11,157
It is.
967
00:44:11,157 --> 00:44:13,782
"We know what we're doing. We've got a take on things."
968
00:44:14,052 --> 00:44:17,082
But I think in this, yeah, there's like an implication of
969
00:44:18,702 --> 00:44:21,792
thoughtful rock and roll.
970
00:44:22,662 --> 00:44:27,582
All right. The last track on the album is the closer, and Thom Yorke called this
971
00:44:27,762 --> 00:44:28,752
absolute agony.
972
00:44:28,827 --> 00:44:29,327
Yeah.
973
00:44:28,887 --> 00:44:32,382
He built it on a fast four-to-the-floor pulse, then came back to find Jonny and
974
00:44:32,412 --> 00:44:34,721
Godrich had stripped it bare bones, reduced him to tears.
975
00:44:34,812 --> 00:44:35,487
Come on, guys.
976
00:44:36,012 --> 00:44:40,752
Hospital Studio, December 2006, the first moment he'd felt that they got something.
977
00:44:41,022 --> 00:44:41,727
What's hospital studio?
978
00:44:41,952 --> 00:44:42,643
I don't know.
979
00:44:42,732 --> 00:44:43,032
Okay.
980
00:44:45,132 --> 00:44:46,752
Was he that bad that they put him in the hospital?
981
00:44:48,222 --> 00:44:49,662
Four on the floor, AMS.
982
00:44:51,342 --> 00:44:53,802
This is such a beautiful closing track on the album, though, Peter.
983
00:44:53,922 --> 00:44:54,643
This is like a piano song.
984
00:44:54,732 --> 00:44:55,722
Just gorgeous, man.
985
00:45:33,342 --> 00:45:33,882
His,
986
00:45:47,982 --> 00:45:50,292
Thom Yorke's intonation is so-
987
00:45:51,882 --> 00:45:57,192
Great. But there's times when he's not, and it's got to be intentional because you
988
00:45:57,222 --> 00:46:02,562
can tell he can control, and so it gives it such a kind of unaffected
989
00:46:02,623 --> 00:46:04,212
humanity, I think, to it.
990
00:46:04,272 --> 00:46:04,482
Yeah.
991
00:46:05,742 --> 00:46:10,393
Certain notes are just stunningly in tune, but others are not.
992
00:46:10,542 --> 00:46:10,902
Yeah.
993
00:46:10,947 --> 00:46:11,607
And I think it's
994
00:46:12,822 --> 00:46:17,727
a great thing to- Obviously, we're in this days of Auto-Tune, but they had it at
995
00:46:17,742 --> 00:46:18,762
that time, too.
996
00:46:18,822 --> 00:46:18,987
Yeah.
997
00:46:19,542 --> 00:46:22,393
This was the way it was on purpose, right?
998
00:46:22,842 --> 00:46:25,932
I got some flack last time when we did Kid A when I said that-
999
00:46:25,992 --> 00:46:26,952
You read the comments still, man?
1000
00:46:27,102 --> 00:46:27,192
No.
1001
00:46:27,342 --> 00:46:27,612
I don't read the comments.
1002
00:46:28,032 --> 00:46:33,312
My wife told me. No, but I mentioned that I don't think Thom Yorke's a great
1003
00:46:33,402 --> 00:46:33,761
singer.
1004
00:46:33,777 --> 00:46:34,277
Yeah.
1005
00:46:33,822 --> 00:46:36,162
Like in the way that Luther Vandross was a great singer.
1006
00:46:36,222 --> 00:46:36,373
Right.
1007
00:46:36,522 --> 00:46:37,902
Has all this control.
1008
00:46:37,917 --> 00:46:38,127
Which is flawed. Yeah.
1009
00:46:38,127 --> 00:46:39,237
Flawless tone.
1010
00:46:39,237 --> 00:46:40,422
But he does have a lot of control.
1011
00:46:40,496 --> 00:46:41,472
But he does have control.
1012
00:46:41,516 --> 00:46:42,016
Yeah.
1013
00:46:42,282 --> 00:46:44,412
He's not a great singer, but he's a great vocalist.
1014
00:46:44,472 --> 00:46:44,982
He is.
1015
00:46:45,072 --> 00:46:48,492
He is an incredible artist, and he does actually have great control.
1016
00:46:48,643 --> 00:46:52,692
I think what is so special about his voice is the vulnerability to it.
1017
00:46:52,752 --> 00:46:52,812
Yes.
1018
00:46:52,932 --> 00:46:54,732
Or the fact that it's not this perfectly-
1019
00:46:54,822 --> 00:46:54,912
No
1020
00:46:55,002 --> 00:46:57,536
... manicured vocal performance that is like-
1021
00:46:57,552 --> 00:46:59,922
He has a lot of control over it, very unique.
1022
00:47:00,162 --> 00:47:06,147
It's like a beautiful... It's not a Lamborghini or a Ferrari, but
1023
00:47:06,162 --> 00:47:10,002
it's something else. It's a beautiful vehicle that's unique.
1024
00:47:10,092 --> 00:47:10,212
Yeah.
1025
00:47:10,512 --> 00:47:13,677
And that the driver- Because vocalists, they're not like pianists where we're
1026
00:47:13,722 --> 00:47:16,393
like, "Oh, I got a great note instrument." They're like, "This is my instrument."
1027
00:47:16,572 --> 00:47:16,782
Yeah.
1028
00:47:16,812 --> 00:47:19,602
And so how do you get dialed in on your own instrument?
1029
00:47:19,692 --> 00:47:22,812
I think his level of dialed in is pretty much 100.
1030
00:47:22,873 --> 00:47:26,592
Yeah, and also he just has a really cool instrument. You mentioned the range.
1031
00:47:26,652 --> 00:47:26,787
Yeah.
1032
00:47:27,222 --> 00:47:32,052
When he's low in that song before, he pulls that gear out sometimes, and then he
1033
00:47:32,112 --> 00:47:34,482
can sing in this sort of like whale-
1034
00:47:34,842 --> 00:47:34,962
Yeah
1035
00:47:34,992 --> 00:47:36,822
... falsetto almost, like mixed voice almost.
1036
00:47:36,942 --> 00:47:38,592
I see what you mean, the whale. "Weird Fishes."
1037
00:47:38,922 --> 00:47:40,302
Whales. "Weird Fishes."
1038
00:47:42,102 --> 00:47:42,552
Oh.
1039
00:47:42,672 --> 00:47:43,182
There it is.
1040
00:47:43,602 --> 00:47:45,192
If you stay in the end, that's what you get.
1041
00:47:45,252 --> 00:47:49,242
Okay, so reaction to In Rainbows post Kid A.
1042
00:47:49,692 --> 00:47:51,462
Wait, this was In Rainbows? I thought we were listening to Kid A.
1043
00:47:51,552 --> 00:47:54,837
I got confused again. What, so you can't- No, this is OK Computer, right?
1044
00:47:54,882 --> 00:47:55,242
Doggone it.
1045
00:47:55,662 --> 00:47:59,592
You know what my reaction is? That piano, Robert Glasper or was that Brad Mehldau?
1046
00:47:59,712 --> 00:48:01,302
Who was playing piano on that last bit?
1047
00:48:02,397 --> 00:48:02,897
Eh, maybe.
1048
00:48:02,412 --> 00:48:05,292
No, I would say, I think,
1049
00:48:07,482 --> 00:48:11,562
man, I love what I just heard, and I want to dig in deeper to this.
1050
00:48:11,742 --> 00:48:15,552
I think I will go back and listen to this a little bit more than Kid A, actually.
1051
00:48:15,942 --> 00:48:19,393
You're like a millennial. Well, I feel like Kid A is great.
1052
00:48:19,452 --> 00:48:25,032
This is a much more even, some people might say much smaller range album.
1053
00:48:25,152 --> 00:48:25,272
Yeah.
1054
00:48:25,332 --> 00:48:30,417
But to me, this felt like, look, and we appreciate you guys listening to my
1055
00:48:30,462 --> 00:48:31,482
ignorant drivel about this.
1056
00:48:31,512 --> 00:48:33,897
Man, I love these episodes.
1057
00:48:33,987 --> 00:48:34,487
Right.
1058
00:48:34,123 --> 00:48:35,607
I love hearing your takes on these things-
1059
00:48:35,652 --> 00:48:35,667
Right
1060
00:48:35,667 --> 00:48:37,018
... from a very fresh perspective.
1061
00:48:37,692 --> 00:48:37,768
Love you, too, man.
1062
00:48:37,768 --> 00:48:38,322
You know what I mean?
1063
00:48:38,382 --> 00:48:38,742
Yeah.
1064
00:48:38,802 --> 00:48:39,672
It's great.
1065
00:48:39,702 --> 00:48:44,337
No, but I think that we're not giving it, I'm thinking even as I go, the fact that
1066
00:48:44,352 --> 00:48:47,742
I want to go back and just sit and listen to this and vibe out on this.
1067
00:48:47,832 --> 00:48:48,207
Yeah.
1068
00:48:48,672 --> 00:48:52,317
This felt like, and I'm not doing it total justice because I feel like until you do
1069
00:48:52,393 --> 00:48:55,602
that, you don't really know. But it's kind of like when you sample something,
1070
00:48:55,617 --> 00:48:57,522
you're like, "Oh." It's like previews to a movie.
1071
00:48:57,612 --> 00:49:01,512
You don't really know, and sometimes, especially for comedies, you're like, "Oh,
1072
00:49:01,572 --> 00:49:03,807
that's so funny." You're laughing and then you're like, "Wait, are those the only
1073
00:49:03,852 --> 00:49:05,352
good jokes that are going to be in the movie?
1074
00:49:05,562 --> 00:49:07,452
Did I just see it?" It's a lot on Netflix.
1075
00:49:07,572 --> 00:49:07,692
Yeah.
1076
00:49:08,742 --> 00:49:11,832
But with this, I feel like I want to get the transitions.
1077
00:49:12,132 --> 00:49:14,652
We don't have time or the legal license to do that here.
1078
00:49:14,682 --> 00:49:15,102
No, we do not.
1079
00:49:15,162 --> 00:49:20,143
But this makes me want to feel the transitions from this, to feel the balance and
1080
00:49:20,172 --> 00:49:23,502
the journey, which I definitely got some, and as you guiding through, it was great.
1081
00:49:23,893 --> 00:49:27,552
And so I think that from beginning to end, I would prefer this.
1082
00:49:28,752 --> 00:49:31,302
But I'm a little nervous as I say this. Don't hate me.
1083
00:49:31,362 --> 00:49:33,522
No, you're with the majority.
1084
00:49:33,686 --> 00:49:34,186
Oh.
1085
00:49:33,702 --> 00:49:35,893
You're with the majority of people who prefer this to any other Radiohead.
1086
00:49:35,952 --> 00:49:36,643
Oh, I'm a sellout.
1087
00:49:36,702 --> 00:49:38,502
Yeah. You're a sellout. You're very commercial.
1088
00:49:38,862 --> 00:49:40,662
What does Brad Mehldau think? What's his favorite?
1089
00:49:40,962 --> 00:49:42,882
Brad loves OK Computer. You just know he does.
1090
00:49:42,912 --> 00:49:43,752
What about Robert Glasper?
1091
00:49:44,022 --> 00:49:46,152
Glasper loves Kid A. I'm just telling you.
1092
00:49:46,212 --> 00:49:48,972
There was a video that was going around the internet recently.
1093
00:49:49,032 --> 00:49:51,567
I don't know if you saw it, of Robert Glasper playing "Everything in Its Right
1094
00:49:51,612 --> 00:49:51,627
Place."
1095
00:49:51,627 --> 00:49:52,947
Oh, I saw. It was fed to me everywhere I went.
1096
00:49:53,262 --> 00:49:54,057
He's teary-eyed in that video.
1097
00:49:54,102 --> 00:49:55,092
Yeah, in Paris.
1098
00:49:55,182 --> 00:49:56,367
And it was so powerful there.
1099
00:49:56,367 --> 00:49:59,652
During the heatwave. Yeah. It's a great version. What about Adam Maness?
1100
00:49:59,682 --> 00:50:03,312
What does Adam Maness say? Can you give me a stack ranking of those three at least?
1101
00:50:03,552 --> 00:50:04,197
I know you mentioned-
1102
00:50:04,332 --> 00:50:04,512
Okay
1103
00:50:04,526 --> 00:50:05,817
... the two after this you didn't prefer.
1104
00:50:05,832 --> 00:50:08,893
Well, let's talk about the run. So for me, there's a Radiohead run.
1105
00:50:08,922 --> 00:50:13,152
They have Pablo Honey and they have The Bends, which are their first two albums,
1106
00:50:13,182 --> 00:50:17,382
and actually their biggest hit, "Creep," is from that first album.
1107
00:50:17,412 --> 00:50:19,873
But to me, they hit their artistic stride with OK Computer.
1108
00:50:20,186 --> 00:50:20,307
And then-
1109
00:50:20,322 --> 00:50:22,962
Did we do the joke? Who was the comedian that did the "Creep" joke?
1110
00:50:23,232 --> 00:50:24,192
Did we cover that last time?
1111
00:50:24,252 --> 00:50:24,266
Yeah.
1112
00:50:24,282 --> 00:50:24,312
Okay.
1113
00:50:24,327 --> 00:50:28,332
With Joe O'Neill. Yeah. White people love "Creep." The "Eh-nih.
1114
00:50:28,346 --> 00:50:33,012
Eh-nih." Yeah, you got to check it out. It's great. No, so 1997 is OK Computer.
1115
00:50:33,072 --> 00:50:33,432
Yeah.
1116
00:50:33,522 --> 00:50:37,302
And then from there, they're on a run until this album.
1117
00:50:37,332 --> 00:50:41,802
And like I said, I like The King of Limbs, I like A Moon Shaped Pool, but I think that
1118
00:50:41,862 --> 00:50:47,022
run between, that's really just OK Computer, Kid A, Amnesiac, Hail to the Thief,
1119
00:50:47,682 --> 00:50:49,707
and In Rainbows. And then I'm also going to throw in-
1120
00:50:49,722 --> 00:50:51,312
That's pretty cool. You're talking about 10 years.
1121
00:50:51,373 --> 00:50:51,702
10 years.
1122
00:50:51,762 --> 00:50:52,362
Five albums.
1123
00:50:52,482 --> 00:50:54,807
Yeah. And I'm going to throw in Thom Yorke's solo album-
1124
00:50:54,942 --> 00:50:54,957
I love it
1125
00:50:54,957 --> 00:50:56,862
... The Eraser, which I'll play a little bit of it here.
1126
00:50:56,893 --> 00:50:58,123
Was that later? Wasn't that after this?
1127
00:50:58,212 --> 00:51:00,072
That was 2006, The Eraser.
1128
00:51:00,582 --> 00:51:01,212
Oh, it was right before.
1129
00:51:01,302 --> 00:51:02,231
Right before this.
1130
00:51:02,322 --> 00:51:03,356
Oh, wow, okay. I got to check that out.
1131
00:51:03,402 --> 00:51:06,387
So yeah, actually that's what's my up next Radiohead run.
1132
00:51:06,387 --> 00:51:08,623
That was a great, when we talk about other classic periods-
1133
00:51:08,772 --> 00:51:09,072
Oh, yeah
1134
00:51:09,282 --> 00:51:12,552
... that's such a great output. Even though I know that there's some tortured, like
1135
00:51:12,582 --> 00:51:18,492
they were sitting in the ramshackle English manor house for months on end
1136
00:51:18,522 --> 00:51:20,472
and stuff. But if you look at the
1137
00:51:21,913 --> 00:51:25,557
Yeah. Well, think about it. This is the end of that period.
1138
00:51:25,722 --> 00:51:25,842
Yeah.
1139
00:51:25,932 --> 00:51:28,842
The last album of that period, and this is their most popular album afterwards.
1140
00:51:28,932 --> 00:51:33,582
Which is like, we've covered Steely Dan, right? Gaucho.
1141
00:51:33,748 --> 00:51:34,248
Yeah.
1142
00:51:33,748 --> 00:51:36,822
Which was their sort of last album until 20 years later.
1143
00:51:36,883 --> 00:51:36,987
Yeah.
1144
00:51:37,362 --> 00:51:39,853
And that was the end of a sort of 10-year run from them.
1145
00:51:40,197 --> 00:51:40,697
Yeah.
1146
00:51:40,242 --> 00:51:41,952
We've covered people like Miles Davis.
1147
00:51:42,133 --> 00:51:42,147
Right.
1148
00:51:42,672 --> 00:51:45,883
We've talked about Miles, and he's got this electric era and the 80s era.
1149
00:51:46,182 --> 00:51:49,272
But from '57 to like '67-
1150
00:51:49,392 --> 00:51:49,572
Right
1151
00:51:49,587 --> 00:51:50,397
... when you think of Miles-
1152
00:51:50,413 --> 00:51:50,982
Prestige to Columbia
1153
00:51:51,012 --> 00:51:51,867
... you're thinking of that.
1154
00:51:51,942 --> 00:51:52,016
Yeah
1155
00:51:52,362 --> 00:51:53,592
A lot of people are thinking of that.
1156
00:51:53,652 --> 00:51:55,436
But I know people love Bitches Brew and On the Corner.
1157
00:51:55,467 --> 00:51:55,967
Right.
1158
00:51:55,542 --> 00:52:00,552
I love that stuff, too. But I think most culturally, we think of Miles in that late
1159
00:52:00,642 --> 00:52:00,867
50s, 60s period.
1160
00:52:00,913 --> 00:52:06,297
We could do like a stack ranking or tier list of classic periods.
1161
00:52:06,297 --> 00:52:07,062
Classic runs?
1162
00:52:07,302 --> 00:52:07,902
Yeah. Stevie-
1163
00:52:08,022 --> 00:52:08,322
Stevie
1164
00:52:08,353 --> 00:52:08,878
... Miles-
1165
00:52:08,982 --> 00:52:09,057
Yeah
1166
00:52:09,133 --> 00:52:09,732
... Radiohead.
1167
00:52:09,792 --> 00:52:10,317
I mean, think about-
1168
00:52:10,332 --> 00:52:10,856
Coltrane
1169
00:52:11,202 --> 00:52:11,832
... Herbie.
1170
00:52:11,892 --> 00:52:12,087
Herbie.
1171
00:52:12,087 --> 00:52:12,642
Herbie's got a couple.
1172
00:52:12,927 --> 00:52:13,427
Right.
1173
00:52:12,942 --> 00:52:17,383
Stevie's run, right? Music of My Mind, or maybe the album previous to that.
1174
00:52:17,413 --> 00:52:18,103
What was that one called?
1175
00:52:18,192 --> 00:52:19,272
Fulfillingness' First Finale.
1176
00:52:19,332 --> 00:52:20,906
No, that was after.
1177
00:52:21,432 --> 00:52:22,301
Oh. Music of My Mind.
1178
00:52:22,481 --> 00:52:25,197
Music of My Mind was the first one that was considered-
1179
00:52:25,302 --> 00:52:25,542
Yeah. Oh
1180
00:52:25,557 --> 00:52:26,307
... the TONTO period.
1181
00:52:26,353 --> 00:52:27,101
It was the one before.
1182
00:52:27,133 --> 00:52:29,652
It was his last Blue Note album before the TONTO period.
1183
00:52:29,802 --> 00:52:29,816
Right.
1184
00:52:29,816 --> 00:52:31,722
Put it in the comments. We talked about it, and now I'm spacing.
1185
00:52:31,992 --> 00:52:33,732
But Music of My Mind up until when?
1186
00:52:34,302 --> 00:52:35,623
as far as I can keep alive.
1187
00:52:35,922 --> 00:52:36,702
'76?
1188
00:52:36,853 --> 00:52:36,972
Yeah.
1189
00:52:37,242 --> 00:52:40,152
Six years? You don't think Hotter Than July and Secret Life of Plants?
1190
00:52:40,182 --> 00:52:41,742
That's definitely not the classic. You talking about the classic period?
1191
00:52:41,802 --> 00:52:44,772
I'm talking about a run, because he was still on a run after the classic period.
1192
00:52:44,847 --> 00:52:48,072
Yeah, but there was a break there. You know what I mean?
1193
00:52:48,327 --> 00:52:50,503
And I think that maybe
1194
00:52:51,822 --> 00:52:55,797
Thom Yorke and the boys would look at this differently, be like, "No, this is not
1195
00:52:55,842 --> 00:52:58,603
how we were thinking about it." But sometimes other people are better objectively
1196
00:52:58,633 --> 00:53:03,853
to, you kind of have this demarcation point from '97 to '07 based on the albums,
1197
00:53:03,913 --> 00:53:06,942
and not only your love for them, but kind of the lineage of it.
1198
00:53:07,032 --> 00:53:07,527
Yeah.
1199
00:53:07,527 --> 00:53:11,128
And so they are somewhat arbitrary, but once you've had some space to look back
1200
00:53:11,142 --> 00:53:13,092
artistically and what the flow...
1201
00:53:13,137 --> 00:53:16,092
Because there's other stuff in terms of
1202
00:53:17,322 --> 00:53:18,972
sometimes the instrumentation and what.
1203
00:53:19,062 --> 00:53:21,133
Because Stevie had that whole period where he was playing everything.
1204
00:53:21,312 --> 00:53:21,432
Yeah.
1205
00:53:21,462 --> 00:53:23,772
And he did that some, and then everything changed.
1206
00:53:23,952 --> 00:53:24,342
Yeah.
1207
00:53:24,522 --> 00:53:25,228
Stevie stayed the same.
1208
00:53:25,392 --> 00:53:26,487
Stevie stayed the same, but everything changed.
1209
00:53:26,562 --> 00:53:29,532
And I think also there's a cultural thing where you kind of age out-
1210
00:53:29,802 --> 00:53:30,072
Yeah
1211
00:53:30,087 --> 00:53:32,921
... a little bit. They're still in their 30s here. You know what I mean?
1212
00:53:32,952 --> 00:53:35,952
And isn't there a thing, we could say this for anybody, but we're talking about
1213
00:53:36,042 --> 00:53:40,421
Radiohead here, too, where you have the presence of mind.
1214
00:53:40,482 --> 00:53:42,387
You're not only great musicians, but you
1215
00:53:44,052 --> 00:53:47,562
made a great important rock band, one of the most important of all time.
1216
00:53:47,623 --> 00:53:48,133
You know what I mean?
1217
00:53:48,192 --> 00:53:48,237
Yeah.
1218
00:53:48,312 --> 00:53:51,027
The fact that you could even be like, "This is our Revolver." I don't even know
1219
00:53:51,042 --> 00:53:54,072
these guys. I don't know how cocky they are, but I don't think they're too cocky to
1220
00:53:54,103 --> 00:53:54,672
say that.
1221
00:53:54,762 --> 00:53:55,512
Yeah.
1222
00:53:55,873 --> 00:53:57,462
Or they're cocky enough to say that.
1223
00:53:57,478 --> 00:53:58,272
But the idea-
1224
00:53:58,392 --> 00:53:59,442
I think they're appropriately cocky.
1225
00:53:59,503 --> 00:53:59,998
Yeah, all right.
1226
00:54:00,012 --> 00:54:00,552
If I had to guess.
1227
00:54:00,672 --> 00:54:05,322
Right. But the fact that I'm sure at this same point, they could look back a couple
1228
00:54:05,383 --> 00:54:09,462
years after this record and be like, "Damn, we made some stuff."
1229
00:54:09,492 --> 00:54:11,112
You made some good stuff.
1230
00:54:11,172 --> 00:54:13,663
This isn't some one-hit wonders. It wasn't even a lot of hits.
1231
00:54:13,692 --> 00:54:13,992
It would be-
1232
00:54:14,052 --> 00:54:16,272
But it was a lot of important albums, right?
1233
00:54:16,332 --> 00:54:19,003
How much fun would it be to do a classic run episode? We should do that.
1234
00:54:19,047 --> 00:54:19,547
Yeah.
1235
00:54:19,062 --> 00:54:20,081
Because think about The Beatles.
1236
00:54:20,112 --> 00:54:20,728
Beethoven. I thought of Beethoven.
1237
00:54:21,312 --> 00:54:22,873
Beatles, '63, '64.
1238
00:54:22,932 --> 00:54:23,082
Yeah.
1239
00:54:23,277 --> 00:54:23,832
'70?
1240
00:54:23,862 --> 00:54:24,117
Yep.
1241
00:54:24,133 --> 00:54:26,038
That's it. They're not even a band anymore.
1242
00:54:26,082 --> 00:54:27,253
Can't say their name. We can
1243
00:54:48,894 --> 00:54:49,824
Hey.
1244
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:51,099
Peter, you're so cool, man.
1245
00:54:51,144 --> 00:54:52,269
Should we do some categories real quick?
1246
00:54:52,375 --> 00:54:52,900
Oh, damn. I'm sorry.
1247
00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:55,824
"Desert Island." What's your apex moment/desert island?
1248
00:54:56,035 --> 00:54:56,859
I got "Weird Fishes"-
1249
00:54:56,888 --> 00:54:57,009
You go first
1250
00:54:57,009 --> 00:54:58,914
... for my desert island track.
1251
00:54:59,214 --> 00:55:02,003
I like "Weird Fishes." I'm going to be really following your lead on this.
1252
00:55:02,035 --> 00:55:02,844
I like that "Reckoner."
1253
00:55:03,309 --> 00:55:03,459
"Reckoner."
1254
00:55:03,714 --> 00:55:04,629
That was f*****g-
1255
00:55:04,660 --> 00:55:05,065
Amazing, man
1256
00:55:05,094 --> 00:55:09,954
... I mean, even if I hadn't seen this described as growing out of a loose group
1257
00:55:10,014 --> 00:55:12,354
jam, that was immediately the feel and the vibe.
1258
00:55:12,383 --> 00:55:12,400
So good.
1259
00:55:12,414 --> 00:55:16,584
And that was a nice little pattern interrupter, not so much with the sound or the
1260
00:55:16,674 --> 00:55:18,684
vibe, but with the approach.
1261
00:55:18,834 --> 00:55:18,924
Yeah.
1262
00:55:18,984 --> 00:55:19,209
You know?
1263
00:55:19,375 --> 00:55:22,764
Yeah. Quibblets. I have "It Was Too Expensive."
1264
00:55:23,574 --> 00:55:24,324
Was it expensive?
1265
00:55:24,444 --> 00:55:25,463
No, it was pay what you want.
1266
00:55:25,734 --> 00:55:27,129
Oh, I thought you meant the production of it.
1267
00:55:27,954 --> 00:55:28,525
It was a joke.
1268
00:55:28,824 --> 00:55:32,155
That was good. I love jokes that have to be explained. Thank you. Accoutrements.
1269
00:55:33,144 --> 00:55:34,359
I wouldn't know. I wasn't there.
1270
00:55:34,375 --> 00:55:35,604
It was an iPod V2.
1271
00:55:37,988 --> 00:55:39,204
Okay. Is this their best album?
1272
00:55:39,535 --> 00:55:41,875
No, I'm going to say for me, Kid A.
1273
00:55:41,964 --> 00:55:43,134
Really? Yeah, okay.
1274
00:55:43,164 --> 00:55:43,644
There you go.
1275
00:55:43,704 --> 00:55:45,684
Okay, this will be a good one. Snobbometer.
1276
00:55:45,729 --> 00:55:45,984
Five.
1277
00:55:46,285 --> 00:55:48,309
Man, you used to hate the five, and now you're dialed in on the five.
1278
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:50,650
I'm bought into the five. I'm dialed in.
1279
00:55:50,694 --> 00:55:51,054
I mean, I-
1280
00:55:51,099 --> 00:55:51,864
I'm locked in on five
1281
00:55:51,924 --> 00:55:56,334
... I feel like Radiohead is always... Wait, 10 is more snobby, right?
1282
00:55:56,394 --> 00:55:56,514
Yeah.
1283
00:55:57,114 --> 00:56:00,025
I feel like anything Radiohead has to at least be a six.
1284
00:56:00,144 --> 00:56:00,459
I kind of agree.
1285
00:56:00,459 --> 00:56:01,254
I'm going to go seven.
1286
00:56:01,315 --> 00:56:02,724
But it sold three million copies.
1287
00:56:02,994 --> 00:56:05,859
Dude, Robert Glasper. Brad Mehldau did it. And Adam Maness.
1288
00:56:05,934 --> 00:56:05,948
All right.
1289
00:56:05,964 --> 00:56:07,704
That's the trifecta of snobbiness.
1290
00:56:07,914 --> 00:56:08,049
All right.
1291
00:56:08,094 --> 00:56:12,655
And Ethan Iverson, I'm sure. And Allen Iverson happens to love Radiohead.
1292
00:56:13,344 --> 00:56:19,315
Fun fact. Hey, come on the show. Up next, I have that 2006 Thom Yorke solo album
1293
00:56:19,344 --> 00:56:22,104
that I mentioned called The Eraser. This is Atoms for Peace.
1294
00:56:22,344 --> 00:56:22,359
Ooh.
1295
00:56:22,359 --> 00:56:25,329
This is such a cool project. If you haven't checked out The Eraser, the whole
1296
00:56:25,375 --> 00:56:27,804
thing is beautiful. It's 2006.
1297
00:56:27,819 --> 00:56:28,319
Yeah.
1298
00:56:27,834 --> 00:56:28,614
How's it going to be up next?
1299
00:56:30,565 --> 00:56:31,344
You've heard it before.
1300
00:56:31,674 --> 00:56:31,780
Well-
1301
00:56:32,155 --> 00:56:32,829
You're going back in time now
1302
00:56:32,844 --> 00:56:33,594
... it's weird with time travel.
1303
00:56:33,655 --> 00:56:34,134
That's true.
1304
00:56:34,164 --> 00:56:34,944
We have all of this.
1305
00:56:36,954 --> 00:56:40,690
But that's kind of what I was saying, when you have, forget about 20 years later,
1306
00:56:40,734 --> 00:56:44,155
even a couple of years later, you can look back and be like, "Oh." You start
1307
00:56:44,184 --> 00:56:47,155
explaining in a way that they didn't even know at the time.
1308
00:56:47,184 --> 00:56:49,074
It's like, "Oh, this makes sense that that led to that."
1309
00:56:49,329 --> 00:56:54,294
"No more going to the dark side with your flying saucer
1310
00:56:54,444 --> 00:56:56,304
eyes"
1311
00:56:56,454 --> 00:57:00,054
The other guys in Radiohead should have sued Thom Yorke for not calling this a
1312
00:57:00,084 --> 00:57:01,315
Radio... I can already tell where that's going.
1313
00:57:01,525 --> 00:57:04,854
Well, you can hear what Thom is into on that one. What do you think on next, Peter?
1314
00:57:04,914 --> 00:57:05,379
What are you putting next to this?
1315
00:57:05,424 --> 00:57:08,559
Oh, this might be controversial for reasons that-
1316
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:09,864
I see what you're doing. I love it.
1317
00:57:09,879 --> 00:57:10,379
Kanye-
1318
00:57:09,879 --> 00:57:10,614
I love it.
1319
00:57:10,794 --> 00:57:11,304
2007.
1320
00:57:11,514 --> 00:57:11,754
I love it.
1321
00:57:11,785 --> 00:57:14,634
Kanye West. I'm not even going to say his name.
1322
00:57:14,650 --> 00:57:15,204
Graduation.
1323
00:57:15,294 --> 00:57:15,864
Such a good album.
1324
00:57:15,894 --> 00:57:16,614
That's a great album.
1325
00:57:16,644 --> 00:57:17,484
Such a great album.
1326
00:57:17,514 --> 00:57:18,744
Yeah, and that was the same year.
1327
00:57:19,974 --> 00:57:20,155
Who?
1328
00:57:20,454 --> 00:57:23,334
Kanye West. He was a different person in that time.
1329
00:57:23,514 --> 00:57:26,949
Man, I wish he was still that person so we could talk about some of that music
1330
00:57:26,994 --> 00:57:28,194
because it was so amazing.
1331
00:57:28,224 --> 00:57:32,334
And I think I wasn't listening to him a lot, but I remember that year.
1332
00:57:33,025 --> 00:57:37,914
Now I know, remember, it's 2007. I can even place it was like, "Yes."
1333
00:57:37,944 --> 00:57:41,065
Buddy, can we please do some more from this era? Can we do some Dilla beats?
1334
00:57:41,334 --> 00:57:41,994
Yeah.
