ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Join Justin Knipper and Fumi Saito in the fourth installment of their deep dive into the illustrious career of Antonio Inoki. This episode navigates the intricate events of the 1970s through the mid-1980s, shedding light on the business relationships Inoki forged with Vince McMahon Sr. and his rivalry with Bob Backlund. Delve into the layered interactions between New Japan Pro Wrestling and the WWF and uncover the undercurrents of Inoki’s matches that left their mark on wrestling history. Discover how media narratives were spun differently for Japanese and American audiences and explore the enduring legacy of Inoki's matches against iconic figures such as Stan Hansen and Hulk Hogan. Listen in to understand how these historical moments impacted both Japanese and international wrestling landscapes.
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Music.
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Hey everyone, welcome back to another edition of Write That Down.
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I'm your host Justin Nipper, I'm editor at FightGameMedia.com,
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staff writer at WrestlingObserver.com, F4WOnline.com, and I'll be joined shortly
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by my co-host, Japan's leading pro wrestling author, historian,
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broadcast journalist, the one and only Mr. Fumi Saito.
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So, you've made it to part four. Part four of our profile series on Antonio Noki has arrived.
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Today's show picks up where we left off last time During the mid-1970s, 1974, 1975,
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1976 We're going to kind of start around 1974 Yet again,
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go even deeper into Inoki's career And we're going to finish today's episode
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around 1985 During his career On this episode,
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we went over the nature of The New Japan and WWF relationship The business relationship
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that they had between Antonio Inoki and Vince McMahon Sr.
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And we're going to talk about how Giant Baba and Bruno San Martino and superstar
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Billy Graham all fit into that picture at the time.
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We also did a little deathmatch trivia involving Inoki and Lumanosu Gaweda,
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before we dived deep into Inoki's pretty famous, pretty well-known rivalry with
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Bob Ackland for the WWF World Heavyweight title, which he won.
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He did win it in Tokushima 1979.
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This happened. We talk about that too. We talk about the very dense and somewhat
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convoluted explanation of Inoki winning the title and then vacating the title,
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even though it was never recognized in North America.
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We'll get into that.
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We also cover not cover but we
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really talk about how important the japanese print media was
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during that time too and how important it
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was in spinning the angle to the japanese fan base because there were two different
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sets of realities you could say in japan for the japanese fan base and for uh
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in the states for what was going on in the states and what the fans were told
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and what the fans weren't told.
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Before the end of today's episode, we also talked about Inoki's rivalry with
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Stan Hansen and we also talked quite a bit about his storied history with Mr. Hulk Hogan.
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We talked about the infamous 1983 IWGP finals match between Inoki and Hogan
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and the controversial finish of,
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I also asked, and it's worth thinking about, did Hulkamania really start in
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Tokyo or did it start in New York?
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Listen to the episode and then decide for yourself. Okay, so next week, tune in for part five.
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It's going to be our final episode. We're going to talk about a lot of Yoki's
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late career and late 80s, into the 90s, what he did to wrestling in the late
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90s, early 2000s, what he did outside of pro wrestling at that time too.
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It's going to be another action-packed, very interesting episode That's for next week.
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Also, one announcement If you have questions for me or for Fumi It could be
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about anything It could be about a topic that we've talked about recently or in the past Or anything,
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Apropos of nothing Email me, justinnipper, K-N-I-P-P-E-R, at gmail.com, okay?
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Fumi and I are going to do a bonus question and answer episode for the Fight Game Media Patreon.
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So if you have something you'd like to ask for me, send me an email.
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We'll get it set up, and we're going to do a special question-and-answer-only
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show exclusively for the Fight Game Media Network Patreon.
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You can only listen to that if you are a patron.
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And if you already are a patron, thanks for being a patron, and you will have
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some bonus material coming your way very soon.
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So enough of me babbling. Let's get into some Antonio Inoki talk.
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Hello from Burbank. Hello from Tokyo.
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Okay, part four, Antonio Inoki Legacy today. We left off talking about WWE, WWWF, excuse me.
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Late 70s at the time, Antonio Inoki was involved. Man Senior was involved.
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Bob Backlund and Antonio Inoki had a series of matches And it led to some pretty
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big news in the late 70s, early 80s Yeah,
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But let's kind of recap what we talked about last week around 1974 is what we
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really focused on in the mid-70s. Okay.
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Vince McMahon Sr.
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Came to Japan and announced a new partnership with New Japan Pro Wrestling, of course, at the time.
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So he became the business partner. So Inoki finally had this strong connection
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with a major company in America.
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Up until then, Inoki had, you know, Koro Gatch, you know, as a book,
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you know, not a match booker, but the booker, booking talent,
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you know, they were bringing Koro Gatch's connection,
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friends, wrestlers from, like, from places in Florida or Koro Gatch's friends
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or the wrestlers from Europe or some wrestlers from Montreal,
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Tiger Gich Sing, of course, and Rugeot's people from Montreal. For Nick Levy.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Billy Robinson. Yeah, Jack Rugeot.
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Or you had Raymond Rugeot before he was famous as a WWE tag team.
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And yeah, those people were here.
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And yeah, and Maguire twins, of course, was an attraction.
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And Japanese against Japanese. Japanese superstar against Japanese superstar
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was a strong card for New Japan. Whereas Jan Baba always had all the superstars
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from America. And we talked about that last time.
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And the first WWF Worldwide Wrestling Federation champion who came to New Japan
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was not Bob Ackerman. Actually, it was Superstar Billy Graham.
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Yeah. It was 1978.
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February of 1978.
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It was at the Nippon Budokan Big Show for New Japan. the double main event.
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It was Anthony Inoki against Umanosuke Ueda, the five-inch nail deathmatch thing, if you remember.
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There was, you know, like a plywood with his five-inch nail sticking out and
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all around the ringside area.
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That if you fell from the ring, you die kind of thing.
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Like decades later, yes, people like Mr. Danger, Mr.
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Mitsuhiro Matsunaga against Leatherface, they actually went down to this five-inch
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nail mat and it was a deathmatch thing.
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But the very first, it's almost like a useless trivia,
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but the five-inch nail, the dangerous-looking
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deathmatch were introduced by umanosuke ueda it
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was inoki against him at the budokan and double feature
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was superstar billy graham as a champion and challenger was sakaguchi
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and it was more like introducing wwf champion into new japan ring and it was
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amazing because three years prior to that 1975 bruno san martino was brought
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in by giant barber and john barber and bruno san martino had very first.
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WWF title match in Japan.
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And that was, of course, you know, double count out. But the affiliate,
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you know, the business partnership was announced and like myself as a kid fan
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was excited, you know, because John Bob always had this strong connection with
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NWA, National Wrestling Alliance and AWA.
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People like Vern Garnier, Nick Bakunenko, all these, you know, AWA star would come in.
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Inok didn't have, you know, strong affiliate with american major
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company so it was really exciting that
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the one chance like i said channel 10 tv asahi
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inoki's new japan channel 4 ntv nippon
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tv all japan pro wrestling janet babble's company is like
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you have two network doing two different wrestling you know major company and
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broadcasted on prime time every week so we had two different kind in two different
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wrestling and bob always all kinds of American superstars you really read on magazines.
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Inoki didn't. But this time, yes, the partnership became strong and all the
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WWWF superstars started coming in.
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That was an exciting time. And for the record, in Japan, it was announced that
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the name of the company was changed from WWWF to just WWF.
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It was March of 1979.
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As a record yeah what i found
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pretty i guess you could say now it's unprecedented but the time you mentioned
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bruno sammartino having a match with giant baba despite the deal that you talked
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about earlier that enoki had with wwf what was interesting is though that the
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spring of 1974 vince mcmahon.
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Came to japan and shook hands with antony nok in the ring and made that made
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an announcement that they're becoming a partner and that very same month giant
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baba himself uh got on the plane and went to new york and worked madison square
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garden show just to find out what the deal was.
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Yeah then that 1974 spring jan baba made very very rare appearance first time in 10 years 1974,
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Baba had a single match against Gorilla Monsoon Madison Square Garden it was
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very political because John Baba had to find out, you know, because,
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McMahon family and Baba were friends then, so, but the deal was made that,
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New York superstar, you know, started coming in and, but still,
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Baba himself had to fly himself over to New York Madison Square Garden to find
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out what the deal was but the deal was already made, I think,
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The thing is, though, that TVS in New Japan paid a certain amount of money to
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become a partner with WWF at the time,
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whereas Giant Baba, with all the American NWA promoter affiliates,
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they never really paid money to book talent.
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It was more of a Giant Baba did a real old-fashioned handshake deal that Baba
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promised a certain amount of money to book American talent and come to Japan and make money.
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And the amount he promised was paid always.
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Then American wrestler would go home very happily ever after, something like that.
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But it was against Baba's idea to pay American company an annual amount to be the partner.
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But the business is business, I guess. that basically Inoki came in and got
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the deal with Vince McMahon Sr. and became partners.
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He needed that at the time. Are you following me?
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Yeah. So Baba wanted an equal business relationship with everyone else,
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whereas Inoki was just going a different route.
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Exclusively, yeah. Because Vince McMahon Sr.'s WWE was a place where they rotate
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all the superstars, 90-day turnaround.
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If you remember, one challenger come in to challenge your WWF champion and you
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challenge at Madison Square Garden and probably the first title match, they go over.
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The challenger would go over on count-out or something. The second match,
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no contest. And third match, the climb match.
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Max so usually three months deal with
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at the madison square garden that's your premier card then
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you go on the road like road show to go to boston or philadelphia or
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washington dc or exact almost like exact same
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card like i'm i'm talking about billy you
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know billy graham against middle maskers or billy
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billy graham against dusty rose billy graham against
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bob backland bob back wins the title and as
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the billy graham challenge him again and
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they go on the road and have like a 50 other times
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it was like a road show but uh madison square
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garden in wwfd was that new challenger
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coming every 90 days or so so you have
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all the new challenger remember as a kid like every
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90 days period that the new challenger coming
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and challenged bob background and after that program they
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would all fly to japan and work new japan that's right
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yeah yeah that was the pattern that was the cycle.
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Yeah so that it worked so perfectly and
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that the deal was made and it was
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1978 actually was that
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a january of 1978 bob back and finally beat superstar
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billy graham to become a champion and it was the time young tatsumi fujinami
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introduced a new division you know junior heavyweight title it wasn't so much
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in america but it was really big deal in in japan that young Fujinami, 24 years at the time.
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He came back to Japan as a superstar.
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He became, you know, WWF junior heavyweight champion, world champion.
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And made debut, you know, new debut in Japan, and became number two right underneath Anthony Inoki.
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It was a big deal. And it was like winning a championship at Madison Square
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Garden with, you know, with Four
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And only four months after Bob Backlund beat Billy Graham to become the new WWF champion,
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Bob Backlund came to Japan in this June of 1978 and had WWF title and NWF,
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you know, kids championship,
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NWF title, double title match was held at the Budokan. It was the first meeting.
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There were three title match that year, 1978.
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Oh, I remember this clearly because the first title match I went there live, you know.
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Oh. And yeah, because it was NWF and WWF double title match, right?
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And I went over there with more innocent, you know, wrestling fan friend.
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And my friends were hoping that Inoki will get two titles, right?
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But I was more of a reading, magazine reading oriented fan by then that I knew
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title wasn't going to change hands.
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How old were you by this time i was in college 10th grade yeah yeah 10th grade
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so you knew the deal yeah but 10th grade 16 year old but i've been reading well
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i read all the wrestling magazines you know by then and you know back to back
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and twice and you know pretty much i was the.
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Doctor professional pro wrestling in school you know but you always have more
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innocent wrestling fan friends right because they believe that the title will
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change hands in japan and,
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Well, right when you hear NWF and WWWF double title match, you had to sense
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that, no, title wasn't going to change hands.
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Sure enough, it was the first meeting of Antonio Nokia and new champion Bob Backlund.
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And Bob Backlund was a very ideal wrestler for the Japanese market because he
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is a clean-cut athlete and really wrestles.
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And it's more like a Kuro Gachi, Billy Robinson type image. You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah i was going to ask what was the fan reaction or
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reception to backland compared to the other
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foreigners at the time oh like not like tiger
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g sing you know the complete heel it was like a bar back and like he carried
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himself as champion and come in all clean cut and short trunks wrestling boot
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no frills he just wrestles right sportsman oh yeah so he was like a I mean,
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perfect for Japanese market at the time.
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See, Inoki against 1969, and Dory Funk, Jack Briscoe, or just something.
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Oh, like 1975, Anthony Inoki against Billy Robinson. It was like a legendary.
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People want to see like a really good, clean wrestling match.
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And the new champion, new star, who just became WWF champion in America,
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and he was, what, 28, 29 years old at the time?
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Bob Ackerman was a perfect, perfect champion to have an important title match
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against Anthony Inoki at his prime.
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And the first meeting was two hours.
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Three four match right inoki technically beat
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bob backland it's it was like a two
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out of three four match and first four came in like in 40 minute mark
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and inoki had a count out for
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first fall and second fall they went to all the way to 60 minute time limit
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there was a it wasn't a drop two out of three four match inoki won the first
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fall but the time expired so technically one zero right But the title wouldn't
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change hands. Therefore,
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Inoki defended his NWF title, but could not win the WWF title.
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Well done. Does that make sense?
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Classic booking in that time. Yeah, I think so. It was almost very creative.
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Inoki beat new champion Bob Backlund, but couldn't win the title.
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Yeah, oh well. But well-paced 60 minutes.
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You know, so win-win situation that the bar back on a worthy champion that,
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you know, he couldn't beat him, but the title wasn't, I mean, both title was at stake,
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but they shook hand and left.
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And second match took place only like one or two months later.
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It was in July that only this time, WWF title at stake.
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And another two out of three, four match, they did 60-minute Broadway again.
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This time, one for each.
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So they progressed a little bit.
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Inoki took first fall with Octopus. Then Bob Backlund took second fall with
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his famous atomic drop, then went into a 60-minute time draw.
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So second match in July of 78, another draw, but Inoki couldn't win the title.
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And there was a third meeting, third meeting the same year, 1978, December.
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This time was Inoki beating only WWF title at stake. And Inoki again beat Bob
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Bakken with counter finish.
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Not the pinfall or submission in the ring, but Inoki, you know,
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they had a double knockdown, you know, over the top of...
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Thing, but Inoki came back to the ring just to beat the count of 20 in Japan, right?
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And Inoki beat Bob Ackerman with the count out thing, but still title don't
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change hand via count out.
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Therefore, Inoki beat him, but Bob Ackerman held the title again.
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So those were the 1978 three-match program, June, July, and December.
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But you couldn't do that forever, right? Right.
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Yeah, so So one year later, fourth meeting, November of 1979,
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it had to be sure thing that this time, Inoki was saying that if he couldn't
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win the title this time, he's not going to challenge back on again.
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So it was like a sure thing that the people felt that Inoki is winning WWF title
00:21:37.531 --> 00:21:38.911
for sure this time, right?
00:21:39.471 --> 00:21:46.771
And sure enough, November 30th in Tokushima, that Inoki beat Bob Buckland to
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become very first Japanese wrestler to be WWF champion.
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For the record, November 30th of 1979, Inoki beat him to become WWF champion.
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And he wore that, the purple virgin leather of Bob Buckland model belt.
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And first title, this is where it gets tricky and very interesting.
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And the booking was so creative that you have to follow me. And if you have
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any questions, you ask me, okay?
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So much details that they did it so well that just like.
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I'm not going to forget this one because it's so creative. November 30th,
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1979, Tokushima, Inoki beat Bob Ackman to become the very first Japanese wrestler
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to win a New York version of this WMF title, right?
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And one week later, December 6th, at the old Sumo Palace at the Kuramae,
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Inoki does have this first title defense, okay?
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It was, to make a long story short, it was no contest, you know, decision that.
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The Tiger Jitsin came in and destroyed the title match, right?
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And Tiger Jitsin started beating up Inoki.
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And in the middle of chaos, somewhat, somehow, that Bob Beckham pins damaged
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Inoki one to three, right?
00:23:08.515 --> 00:23:13.095
But minutes later, the decision was reversed.
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Referee said, there was no contest, no contest. Therefore, Inoki holds his WWE title.
00:23:22.075 --> 00:23:28.555
Whereas Bob Acker said no I beat Inoki clean so I get the title back controversial
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finish. Are you following me?
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It was disputed it wasn't a clean finish.
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There was still a company who really won. involvement and
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Inoki got beaten up and somewhat somehow Bob
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Acker in the middle of it pins Antonio Inoki and gets the belt for a few seconds
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but the referee reversed the decision as no contest right and Inoki keep the
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title because of this no contest decision and the champion will keep the title kind of thing.
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But Inoki wasn't, storylines okay? Inoki wasn't happy with this no contest decision,
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therefore he vacates the title.
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So he's like he never lost the title. He vacates WWF title. I don't want to
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hold the championship like this. Great storyline, right?
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And only 11 days later, this is where it gets really, really tricky.
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In Japan, WWF title was vacant because Inoki, without losing it in...
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In the ring inoki returned the title to wwf i don't
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want to hold the championship like this right and it
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was announced in japan that inoki bought
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back match the title up for grab will be
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held at the madison square garden december 17th 11 days later after this smoke
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you know kuramai small palace show so new japan crew and tv asahi crews get
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on the plane and then it was all planned that they were going to do the big
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taping at the Madison Square Garden.
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Not just in Nookie, but Fujinami would be defending his WWF Junior Heavyweight
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title against Johnny Rivera at Madison Square Garden.
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Also, Seiji Sakaguchi and Ricky Choshu as a NWA North American Tag Team title
00:25:12.563 --> 00:25:18.883
would be defended against Bad News Allen and the guy Jojo Andrews, if you remember.
00:25:19.483 --> 00:25:24.923
Well, but it was at the building, it was announced Japanese Tag Team Championship.
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No, he was North American Tag Team Champion in Japan, but those are the little
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details that the play-by-play announcer at the time was Vince McMahon, of all people, okay?
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And he pronounced Ricky Choshu as Ricky Koshu. Ricky Koshu.
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Anyhow, Seiji Sakaguchi and Ricky Choshu, North American Tag Team Champions at the time,
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who bring a belt to America in defending their
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title against bad news allen and jojo andrews two
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african guys and that was one title match and
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like i said fujinami against johnny and johnny
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rivera the wwf junior heavyweight title and in
00:26:04.623 --> 00:26:07.763
japan inoki and bob back was going to have that decision
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making last match that the title up
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for grab them for ww championship and when
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jab all the japanese press you know when all the japanese press got there vince
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mcmahon senior had a small short little press conference just for japanese press
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this is gets really really creative mr enoki will be defending his death.
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WWF martial arts heavyweight title against Great Hassan. That is Aiyan Sheik's another name. Okay.
00:26:39.462 --> 00:26:42.722
Therefore, there will not be Inoki Bakran title match tonight.
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Mr. Inoki will be defending his WWF martial arts title against Great Hassan. That's it.
00:26:48.962 --> 00:26:57.362
So, oh, okay. Then instead, Bob Bakran will be having a single match against Bobby Duncan.
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So Japanese press and photographers in the building at Madison Square Garden
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was led to believe that, right, title is still up for grab.
00:27:08.182 --> 00:27:12.722
Title is vacant, and title is still up for grab. And the title match that night
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would be Bob Backlund against Cowboy Bob Duncan instead of Enoki against Backlund.
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Okay, title is still up for grab. And at the building, Bob Backlund and Bobby
00:27:26.442 --> 00:27:31.362
Duncan main event was announced by Howard Finkel, Texas Deathmatch.
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Texas Deathmatch. Nothing was announced about this title up for grab because
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people in New York City in 1979 did not know the title changed hand in Japan.
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Well, New York's travel was less slower then, right?
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You would never find out. I mean, it was just two different worlds.
00:27:50.722 --> 00:27:58.022
Yeah, or maybe fanzine or more people with a little information or the wrestling,
00:27:58.022 --> 00:28:01.062
you know, like a tight wrestling fan with pen pals, you know,
00:28:01.122 --> 00:28:02.182
writing each other things.
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I mean, that was like way decades before the internet, okay?
00:28:06.682 --> 00:28:12.962
Yeah. But anyhow, that Bob Ackerman and Bobby Duncan match happened.
00:28:13.402 --> 00:28:17.562
At the building, it was announced by Howard Finkel, Texas deathmatch, right?
00:28:18.222 --> 00:28:21.842
And sure enough, Bob Backlund came in without the championship belt because
00:28:21.842 --> 00:28:23.282
it was a Texas Deathmatch, right?
00:28:24.062 --> 00:28:26.422
But it was announced in Japan.
00:28:27.262 --> 00:28:31.762
The title was still vacant, and this is a title up for grab,
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Bob Backlund against Bobby Duncan.
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And Texas Deathmatch took place, and Bob Backlund beat Bobby Duncan, and winner.
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And in Japan, Bob Backlund regained the title.
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And Anthony Inoki against great Hassan Ayan Sheik took place Inoki defended
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his WWF martial arts title and was the end of the story.
00:28:56.042 --> 00:29:01.842
So Inoki and crew, TV, Asahi Crew Sakaguchi, Riki Choshu, Fujinami all went
00:29:01.842 --> 00:29:06.102
to Madison Square Garden they taped their match and it was televised in Japan
00:29:06.102 --> 00:29:10.622
the following week and Bob Barker and Bobby Duncan match,
00:29:10.802 --> 00:29:16.922
Bob Barker became WWF champion again and Anthony Inoki He defended his WWF martial
00:29:16.922 --> 00:29:18.802
arts title against Greg Hassan.
00:29:19.982 --> 00:29:24.742
Iron Sheik, yeah, he's still WWF martial arts champion and so on.
00:29:24.842 --> 00:29:28.642
Fujinami defended his WWF junior heavyweight title and Sakaguchi and Ricky Choshu
00:29:28.642 --> 00:29:32.182
successfully defended their North American Tag Team Championship.
00:29:32.482 --> 00:29:35.542
That was like 90-minute primetime special.
00:29:36.322 --> 00:29:43.462
And this whole issue of Inoki not happy with decision and relinquished the title
00:29:43.462 --> 00:29:48.742
and the title became vacant and the title up for grabs thing was all forgotten.
00:29:49.982 --> 00:29:54.382
That is a lot of information. Does that make sense? Yeah, but it was... I think so. Yeah?
00:29:55.842 --> 00:30:02.222
Yeah. It's okay. So I think the one thing I want to just correct me if I'm interpreting it wrong,
00:30:02.382 --> 00:30:10.242
but so WWF told the Japanese press one thing about the Texas Deathmatch that
00:30:10.242 --> 00:30:12.782
it was for... No, no, it was announced in America.
00:30:13.342 --> 00:30:19.222
Okay, it was announced in America. Yeah, because at the Madison Square Garden,
00:30:19.222 --> 00:30:27.882
This title being vacant and this championship up for grab thing was never announced in America.
00:30:28.082 --> 00:30:32.662
It was simply a Texas Test Match main event at the Madison Square Garden,
00:30:32.802 --> 00:30:33.982
Bob Backlund against Bobby Duncan.
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For Japanese press, it was still announced title up for grab.
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But it was not Inoki, Bob Backlund match.
00:30:43.862 --> 00:30:50.042
Instead, it was Bob Backlund against Bobby Duncan match. for the title that Inoki had vacated.
00:30:52.062 --> 00:30:57.262
Inoki title change never happened in America, therefore the title being vacant
00:30:57.262 --> 00:30:58.922
thing never have occurred in America.
00:30:59.522 --> 00:31:05.082
Right. It was just explained to Japanese fans, therefore Japanese audience.
00:31:05.842 --> 00:31:09.602
Are you following me? Very interesting. It would never happen again because
00:31:09.602 --> 00:31:12.882
of how information travels. Information travels now, right.
00:31:13.122 --> 00:31:23.162
Split second. November 30th in Tokushima on television match Inoki clearly beat
00:31:23.162 --> 00:31:29.662
Bob Beckham to become very first Japanese WWF champion and six days ago.
00:31:30.965 --> 00:31:34.245
Later at the kuramae old sumo palace inoki's very
00:31:34.245 --> 00:31:37.405
first title defense champion inoki against
00:31:37.405 --> 00:31:40.865
challenger former champion bob back on that happened and they
00:31:40.865 --> 00:31:47.885
had this controversy no contest finish that tiger jates jit sing ran in and
00:31:47.885 --> 00:31:54.225
b start beating up on inokin and somewhat somehow bob back and pins inoki and
00:31:54.225 --> 00:31:58.305
you know he holds the belt for a few seconds referee reversed the decision,
00:31:58.825 --> 00:32:05.825
and it's a no contest, therefore Inoki defends his title, and Inoki not happy
00:32:05.825 --> 00:32:08.365
about this ending, and I don't want to be champion like this,
00:32:08.645 --> 00:32:12.765
he relinquished the title therefore the title becomes vacant that's information
00:32:12.765 --> 00:32:17.065
and story lying in Japan and in Japan it was announced the following 11 days
00:32:17.065 --> 00:32:22.705
later at the Madison Square Garden, like a global scale title match story,
00:32:23.105 --> 00:32:27.585
that the title up for grab again Bob Bakken against Inoki will be happening
00:32:27.585 --> 00:32:30.205
at the Madison Square Garden. We all believed it.
00:32:30.725 --> 00:32:38.705
Then at the December 17th, 11 days later at the Madison Square Garden,
00:32:38.865 --> 00:32:41.965
when all the photographers in here announced that Mr.
00:32:42.045 --> 00:32:46.965
Inoki will be defending his martial arts title against great Hassan Ayan Shik tonight.
00:32:47.285 --> 00:32:51.745
Therefore, there will be no Inoki against Bob Backlund match tonight here at the building.
00:32:51.745 --> 00:32:59.585
And sure enough, Bob Backon, actually, Bob Backon Bobby Duncan match was Texas
00:32:59.585 --> 00:33:05.665
Test match because it was the to be continued thing from the previous month. Bobby Duncan.
00:33:07.073 --> 00:33:11.493
Duncan was challenging Bob Beckland. There was some controversy,
00:33:11.773 --> 00:33:14.413
no contest, double juice kind of match.
00:33:14.833 --> 00:33:19.353
And to make the conclusion of Bob Beckland and Bobby Duncan match,
00:33:19.513 --> 00:33:21.233
it was Texas Deathmatch.
00:33:21.793 --> 00:33:26.353
That was like that in New York. And Tyro never changed hands in America.
00:33:26.353 --> 00:33:28.793
And people did not know about it.
00:33:29.113 --> 00:33:32.373
And no Tyro was ever vacant, nothing.
00:33:32.373 --> 00:33:38.733
It was Texas Deathmatch main event announced by Howard Finkel, okay?
00:33:39.373 --> 00:33:43.233
So for New York people's eyes, Bob Backen never lost a title and was a champion still then.
00:33:43.573 --> 00:33:47.433
And for Japanese audience, yeah, the title was up for grab. And instead of having
00:33:47.433 --> 00:33:51.513
Yoki Bob Backen, the final match, it was announced at the building.
00:33:51.813 --> 00:33:55.653
Bob Backen, it would be Bobby Duncan, would be doing a match title up for grab.
00:33:56.053 --> 00:33:58.173
That was storyline for Japanese press.
00:33:58.753 --> 00:34:02.913
Now you're following me. it's pretty i mean
00:34:02.913 --> 00:34:06.173
i just can't imagine something like that happening today
00:34:06.173 --> 00:34:11.273
just because of how the environment what it's turned into oh god no not today's
00:34:11.273 --> 00:34:19.513
i'm 1979 you're talking about 40 years ago you know i mean most people more
00:34:19.513 --> 00:34:25.393
people don't know enoki rather than know enoki over here.
00:34:26.113 --> 00:34:33.133
Ultimately so it's just amazing how you can sort of oh that was like wash the
00:34:33.133 --> 00:34:37.253
history most creative you know title.
00:34:38.273 --> 00:34:46.853
Lineage story though because Inoki did not exactly lose championship but was
00:34:46.853 --> 00:34:53.853
able to let go of the title without losing face and the fans bought it well I guess so and then.
00:34:55.091 --> 00:35:00.571
So I think who is guilty, I think Japanese wrestling press and sports paper
00:35:00.571 --> 00:35:03.311
and wrestling magazines are just as guilty. Does that make sense?
00:35:03.591 --> 00:35:08.211
Did they get a little creative with what was going on? It was, was there.
00:35:08.711 --> 00:35:15.871
Well, 1979, Gang Magazine and the Baseball Magazine, Pro Wrestling Magazine are still monthly.
00:35:16.451 --> 00:35:23.311
Okay. Not pro, weekly pro wrestling of baseball magazine, Sha,
00:35:23.571 --> 00:35:31.411
and weekly, the gang magazine wouldn't become weekly until summer of 1983.
00:35:33.191 --> 00:35:38.391
All these big, huge, you know, details, storyline happened within the month.
00:35:38.551 --> 00:35:43.731
So next month issue, like if it was a monthly magazine, it was already done
00:35:43.731 --> 00:35:45.731
by the time magazine come out.
00:35:45.731 --> 00:35:55.831
It was already old i guess and january comes in the new season yeah but for the record you know.
00:35:56.971 --> 00:36:00.651
Okie bob back on title match happened three months you know three more times
00:36:00.651 --> 00:36:07.451
april of 1980 in miami florida you know nwa territory but the bob backland still
00:36:07.451 --> 00:36:12.691
you know frequent travel that NWA Florida territory,
00:36:12.971 --> 00:36:17.631
but Bob Backlund occasionally came in and defended his WWF title.
00:36:17.951 --> 00:36:24.371
In April of 1980, there was Enoki against Bob Backlund title match in Miami, Florida.
00:36:24.871 --> 00:36:32.291
And back summer August of 1980 in Shinagawa, Tokyo, there was another Enoki
00:36:32.291 --> 00:36:33.711
against Bob Backlund title match.
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Then in 1981, I believe it was May of 1981 at the Mexico,
00:36:39.651 --> 00:36:45.131
El Treo there was Inoki against Bob Bakker match in Mexico there was just like
00:36:45.131 --> 00:36:50.411
almost a guest appearance so three more Inoki, Bob Bakker and Tyro match happened
00:36:50.411 --> 00:36:52.971
but Tyro never changed hand after that,
00:36:53.751 --> 00:37:00.691
and Bob Bakker will be holding WWF Tyro until Iron Sheik, Hulk Hogan program right?
00:37:00.971 --> 00:37:07.251
All the way to end of what 83? and Inoki never challenged Bob Backlund after
00:37:07.251 --> 00:37:10.511
that in New Japan ring. See, Bob Backlund...
00:37:11.350 --> 00:37:14.670
Still had a lot of tours with New Japan in the meantime, all the way to like 84.
00:37:15.010 --> 00:37:18.690
And it was always Bob Backlund against Dusty Rose, Bob Backlund against young
00:37:18.690 --> 00:37:25.370
Hulk Hogan, Bob Backlund against Heal Stan Hansen, Bob Backlund against Fujinami as a heavyweight.
00:37:25.710 --> 00:37:29.890
So Bob Backlund still came back to Japan and defended his WWF title,
00:37:30.130 --> 00:37:34.190
but the program with Inoki was pretty much dropped after that.
00:37:35.050 --> 00:37:40.450
Does that make sense? So this, you could say, is one of definitely one of Bob
00:37:40.450 --> 00:37:42.470
Backlund's career highlights this
00:37:42.470 --> 00:37:48.870
was i mean it's he's one of those he's interpreted a certain way over here,
00:37:49.570 --> 00:37:54.230
probably because yeah probably because of how hogan in national wwf v smcmahon's
00:37:54.230 --> 00:37:59.310
national expansion that the bob backland's legacy has been kind of overlooked
00:37:59.310 --> 00:38:04.130
see yeah he was the main guy at the madison square garden for what the six year
00:38:04.130 --> 00:38:08.590
period yeah just about yeah right before hogan was,
00:38:09.250 --> 00:38:15.090
back on your champion, your childhood champion? No, Hogan was. That was my dad.
00:38:16.430 --> 00:38:22.050
When he was in high school, he would tell me about New York,
00:38:22.190 --> 00:38:25.350
WWF, the East Coast, always had Babyface champion.
00:38:26.790 --> 00:38:29.510
Twice long reign with Bruno San Martino, of course.
00:38:29.830 --> 00:38:34.650
Then there was Pedro Morales era, and Billy Graham was the only heel champion
00:38:34.650 --> 00:38:37.590
who was a champion for any length of time.
00:38:37.590 --> 00:38:44.810
But they always had transitional heel champion like Ivan Koloff or Stan Stasiak
00:38:44.810 --> 00:38:48.350
or somebody like that to switch to another babyface champion.
00:38:48.930 --> 00:38:51.990
And Bob Beckham beating Billy Graham for the first time.
00:38:52.850 --> 00:38:55.730
Time was a big deal and he held the champion nearly six seven years
00:38:55.730 --> 00:38:59.170
and he his legacy has been so overlooked and
00:38:59.170 --> 00:39:01.950
bob alcan was i think more popular in japan because of his
00:39:01.950 --> 00:39:05.350
style like he worked you know he wrestled like carl gotch
00:39:05.350 --> 00:39:08.630
he wrestled like billy robinson and japanese fan
00:39:08.630 --> 00:39:11.290
really likes the wrestler wrestler does that
00:39:11.290 --> 00:39:14.390
make sense that and the the market that
00:39:14.390 --> 00:39:20.670
was wwf at the time they were so programmed to i mean what it was was monsters
00:39:20.670 --> 00:39:25.170
versus big baby faces in the main event it was always a bit over the top in
00:39:25.170 --> 00:39:29.470
the heavyweight championship division yeah and then this is like a literally
00:39:29.470 --> 00:39:33.350
baby face bob backland will beat all these monster heels,
00:39:34.050 --> 00:39:37.090
right and and the the style that bob backland
00:39:37.090 --> 00:39:40.450
wrestled was something that you'd probably see out west
00:39:40.450 --> 00:39:43.730
or somewhere down south and in the crockett territories
00:39:43.730 --> 00:39:47.250
in minnesota but that style of more wrestling
00:39:47.250 --> 00:39:50.790
wrestling wrestling's wrestling yeah he
00:39:50.790 --> 00:39:53.710
he kind of fit in certain areas of the
00:39:53.710 --> 00:39:56.790
territories at the time but it just for some reason
00:39:56.790 --> 00:39:59.650
a lot of fans it didn't connect with the new
00:39:59.650 --> 00:40:02.850
york audience yeah bruno san martino was like a italian
00:40:02.850 --> 00:40:07.230
hero pedro morales was a puerto rican hero you know hero and by back on the
00:40:07.230 --> 00:40:12.030
era he was all american boy huh my dad said a lot of people called him howdy
00:40:12.030 --> 00:40:15.990
doody remember howdy doody by background yeah because he's so white you know
00:40:15.990 --> 00:40:21.170
yeah like a midwestern boy yeah so white was like a real cute butt right.
00:40:22.430 --> 00:40:28.610
Yeah and like like you know came from like an amateur background you know and uh he was,
00:40:29.490 --> 00:40:32.630
perfect fit and he was favorite wwf champion
00:40:32.630 --> 00:40:35.870
in 70s and early 80s japanese fans you
00:40:35.870 --> 00:40:39.250
know they still talk highly about bob backland's legacy if
00:40:39.250 --> 00:40:42.890
you remember about backland was invited back to UWF you
00:40:42.890 --> 00:40:45.770
know because he was a believable wrestler you know
00:40:45.770 --> 00:40:49.750
he showed up in Tenryu's promotion
00:40:49.750 --> 00:40:53.550
too that too yeah and also just imagine
00:40:53.550 --> 00:40:56.710
both guys at their prime
00:40:56.710 --> 00:41:00.130
time Bob Bakken against Fujinami in their
00:41:00.130 --> 00:41:03.950
prime wrestling match good matches Fujinami
00:41:03.950 --> 00:41:07.430
was quite different before 1987 1988
00:41:07.430 --> 00:41:10.470
Bob Bakken at the baby face yeah in the early 80s
00:41:10.470 --> 00:41:13.390
in New Japan ring you know that's that the bob backland babyface against
00:41:13.390 --> 00:41:16.690
heel version of dusty rose bob backland
00:41:16.690 --> 00:41:23.430
against heel stan hansen bob backland against younger heel version of hulk hogan
00:41:23.430 --> 00:41:31.770
and it's a useless trivia but december 17th 1979 enoki appearance sakaguchi
00:41:31.770 --> 00:41:35.770
ricky choshu fujinami and that was the night hulk hogan.
00:41:37.295 --> 00:41:42.115
Heal Hulk Hogan made his debut against Ted DiBiase. Not the Million Dollar Man
00:41:42.115 --> 00:41:44.875
Ted DiBiase, but the young babyface Ted DiBiase.
00:41:45.735 --> 00:41:50.295
And young heel Hulk Hogan with manager Freddie Blassie, of course,
00:41:50.715 --> 00:41:53.235
that made his debut as Hulk Hogan.
00:41:53.535 --> 00:41:58.475
The name was given by Vince McMahon Sr., Hulk Hogan. Incredible Hulk Hogan.
00:41:59.055 --> 00:42:04.435
Big heel, like giant version of Billy Graham that made his debut that night.
00:42:04.915 --> 00:42:10.135
Very interesting night, huh? at that time he even talked like Billy Graham the
00:42:10.135 --> 00:42:14.715
way he talked the way he wrestled in the ring the cape,
00:42:14.895 --> 00:42:21.955
sunglasses sure he was very reminiscent of Billy Graham yeah like a larger version
00:42:21.955 --> 00:42:27.695
of Billy Graham updated version yeah and after that,
00:42:28.735 --> 00:42:35.875
recently people were making a lot of comments about Hulk Hogan's Rocky III appearance
00:42:35.875 --> 00:42:39.275
a couple years later that it happened during AWA.
00:42:39.435 --> 00:42:48.415
No, that the actual movie filming took place during this era, 1981-82-ish.
00:42:48.835 --> 00:42:51.035
By 1982, he was already in AWA.
00:42:52.115 --> 00:42:57.095
Rocky had to be filmed sometimes during the 1981 period, I think.
00:42:57.595 --> 00:43:01.875
Because Hulk Hogan remembered that the conversation was under the giant that
00:43:01.875 --> 00:43:06.255
don't forget being a professional wrestler and,
00:43:07.235 --> 00:43:16.155
yeah and just like don't lose it Andre and Hogan was always close like as a friends and Vince,
00:43:17.175 --> 00:43:18.155
McMahon Sr.
00:43:18.595 --> 00:43:22.595
Did not like the idea that his wrestler going to movies you know but Andre said
00:43:22.595 --> 00:43:26.995
go ahead and this will be a big break for you yeah so that portion was kind
00:43:26.995 --> 00:43:29.275
of overlooked but anyhow that,
00:43:30.035 --> 00:43:34.835
Hogan was already in the background you know it was really interesting that
00:43:34.835 --> 00:43:38.015
how Koga makes his debut with New Japan.
00:43:38.335 --> 00:43:43.895
First, as a young tag team partner of Stan Hansen, who was already a big,
00:43:43.995 --> 00:43:45.295
huge superstar with New Japan.
00:43:45.595 --> 00:43:54.655
In 1980, you have to think that this early 1980 version of Antoninoki,
00:43:55.035 --> 00:43:57.855
just invincible. Nobody beats Antoninoki in Japan, right?
00:43:59.540 --> 00:44:03.980
Stan Hansen beat Inoki for this NWF title.
00:44:04.620 --> 00:44:07.940
And they exchanged the play catch with this title.
00:44:08.300 --> 00:44:13.220
That made Stan Hansen really household name in Japan, beating primetime Anthony
00:44:13.220 --> 00:44:14.820
Inoki to become NWF champion.
00:44:15.080 --> 00:44:21.780
So he was almost replacing Andre the Giant as a top Gaijin American talent in New Japan ring.
00:44:22.540 --> 00:44:27.060
You know, I think around this time too, a lot of the fellows we're mentioning right now,
00:44:27.060 --> 00:44:30.200
hogan andre backland inoki i
00:44:30.200 --> 00:44:33.020
think there was a match it's probably floating around on youtube
00:44:33.020 --> 00:44:35.800
but it's with all all these four
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.800
were you know regularly pretty regularly wrestling each
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.820
other at around the time too for new japan and some
00:44:41.820 --> 00:44:45.240
of those historic yeah some of these historical matches you found
00:44:45.240 --> 00:44:47.840
in new japan world archives you know
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:50.820
today's new japan world that the network service
00:44:50.820 --> 00:44:54.400
thing you you know you search in oki's 70
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.720
matches the early 80s match you'll have in
00:44:57.720 --> 00:45:03.480
oki against backland and andre match bob backland matches all in there not all
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:07.100
every single one of them but important matches are in there yeah a lot of the
00:45:07.100 --> 00:45:14.200
ones that we're talking about yeah yeah today's fans don't don't go into this
00:45:14.200 --> 00:45:17.240
you know new japan world archive and find you know matches, it's all for.
00:45:18.520 --> 00:45:20.620
Middle-aged male wrestling fans.
00:45:20.780 --> 00:45:23.500
Today's fans don't go back and watch Inoki matches.
00:45:24.240 --> 00:45:26.420
He's like a grandpa over everybody, right?
00:45:27.600 --> 00:45:30.780
Going back and watching his matches, he's one of those wrestlers that,
00:45:31.020 --> 00:45:33.520
oh, you learn so much. It's not dated.
00:45:33.740 --> 00:45:38.320
It's not as dated as you'd think. You can go back and watch Blackland and Inoki
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:41.160
and they're not that outdated.
00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:47.480
The content of matches and how they build is the long match,
00:45:47.600 --> 00:45:48.460
title match kind of thing.
00:45:49.160 --> 00:45:54.560
The formula is still there. That works today. They didn't do anything too outrageous
00:45:54.560 --> 00:45:58.020
where it would look silly in the future. You know what I mean?
00:45:58.640 --> 00:46:02.360
And also, they were doing, you know, to make people mad,
00:46:02.580 --> 00:46:08.140
they were doing this Tiger Jeet Sing as your wild card, you know,
00:46:08.340 --> 00:46:12.180
that he was not even involved in the title match, but he does the run-in to
00:46:12.180 --> 00:46:16.440
destroy the title match to make people mad and put heat on Tiger Jitsing.
00:46:16.580 --> 00:46:18.320
Oh, God, he destroyed a tiger.
00:46:19.813 --> 00:46:23.273
Match, put a big hit on Tiger Cheech Sin instead of putting a hit on Inoki or
00:46:23.273 --> 00:46:25.453
Bakun. The formula is clearly there.
00:46:25.773 --> 00:46:31.073
And also, I have to point out the deal that Giant Baba, on the other hand,
00:46:31.253 --> 00:46:37.813
all Japan, Giant Baba had a three NWA World Heavyweight Champion reign, okay?
00:46:38.373 --> 00:46:44.893
And when Inoki beat Bob Bakun for the first time to become the very first Japanese
00:46:44.893 --> 00:46:49.573
wrestler to hold WWF title, I said it was November of 1970.
00:46:51.393 --> 00:46:59.753
That's right exactly one month before that October 31st of 1979 Baba beat Harley
00:46:59.753 --> 00:47:05.353
Race in Nagoya to become NW World Heavyweight Champion, so they had to do this,
00:47:06.113 --> 00:47:10.953
I'm pretty sure that just as soon as Baba found out that Inoki is going over
00:47:10.953 --> 00:47:13.033
on Bob Backlund to win the title in Japan,
00:47:13.953 --> 00:47:19.593
Baba had to bring Harley Race over to Japan one month before that,
00:47:19.793 --> 00:47:23.033
just so he becomes NWA world champion,
00:47:24.533 --> 00:47:26.153
and that's televised.
00:47:26.453 --> 00:47:30.573
I mean, it's like rivalry between two network stations, two different companies,
00:47:30.833 --> 00:47:32.793
Old Japan and New Japan and Baba and Inoki.
00:47:32.973 --> 00:47:38.933
This rivalry is so severe that so serious that Baba had to beat Harley Race
00:47:38.933 --> 00:47:41.093
in Japan, televised match to become,
00:47:41.913 --> 00:47:47.653
NWA world champion before, like make sure one month before Inoki beats Bakun
00:47:47.653 --> 00:47:49.673
to become WWF champion. It's not interesting.
00:47:50.013 --> 00:47:54.313
So it was a strategic move as well as, you know, creative move.
00:47:54.953 --> 00:47:59.113
Yeah, but the difference between Baba and Inoki is that, though.
00:48:00.893 --> 00:48:05.633
Okay, first time Baba beat Jack Briscoe to become very first Japanese wrestler
00:48:05.633 --> 00:48:06.973
to become NWA world champion.
00:48:08.073 --> 00:48:12.533
He defends the title once, but at the end of the tour, no TV,
00:48:12.873 --> 00:48:15.213
you know, televised match. that
00:48:15.213 --> 00:48:20.853
Jack Briscoe beats Baba to get the title back, and he goes home, right?
00:48:21.593 --> 00:48:27.773
This time, after Baba beat Harley Race for the second time, one month before
00:48:27.773 --> 00:48:32.173
Inoki Bakunin thing, that Baba becomes NWA World Champion for the second time.
00:48:33.253 --> 00:48:39.493
But only seven days later, at the Amagasaki, not a big city, right?
00:48:39.913 --> 00:48:45.793
But Amagasaki, November 7th, Race beats Baba to get the title back, then goes home.
00:48:46.613 --> 00:48:52.033
They did that following year, 1980, September of 1980, at the Saga.
00:48:52.453 --> 00:48:59.753
Jan Baba beats Harley Race again. For the third time, he becomes NWA World Heavyweight Champion.
00:49:00.093 --> 00:49:07.273
Sure enough, five days later, the Otsu of all places, Race beats Baba again.
00:49:08.191 --> 00:49:12.991
And basically returning a title to Harley Race and Race go home happy.
00:49:13.631 --> 00:49:18.311
So Baba always returned the title in that ring.
00:49:18.991 --> 00:49:21.651
Baba beats the champion to become NWA champion, but
00:49:21.651 --> 00:49:25.331
the Harley Race or Jack Risco always
00:49:25.331 --> 00:49:33.651
beat Baba again at the end of the tour and the handshake was good that Baba
00:49:33.651 --> 00:49:40.811
basically returned his title and that Harley Race regained the title again and
00:49:40.811 --> 00:49:43.351
he goes back to America like nothing happened.
00:49:43.811 --> 00:49:50.511
But NWA record, it shows that an official record that Giant Baba won NWA World
00:49:50.511 --> 00:49:52.971
Heavyweight Championship three times, it was in record.
00:49:53.211 --> 00:49:59.671
Whereas Inoki's reign as WWF champion was never acknowledged in America,
00:49:59.991 --> 00:50:01.551
therefore it's not in record.
00:50:01.551 --> 00:50:07.131
It's in Japanese record or built after magazine record yes Inoki became WWF
00:50:07.131 --> 00:50:14.231
champion in Japan once and the title was vacant and all these things is record but to this day.
00:50:15.851 --> 00:50:20.031
WWF record does not have Inoki as champion listed is that interesting?
00:50:20.391 --> 00:50:24.291
So there was Inoki way of handling business and there was Baba way of handling
00:50:24.291 --> 00:50:31.671
business and well read reading oriented Japanese wrestling fans, learn about the world.
00:50:32.811 --> 00:50:37.511
It's interesting enough that it's almost like a philosophy. Baba's way of handling
00:50:37.511 --> 00:50:42.131
things and Enoki's way of handling things, they're two different philosophies almost.
00:50:43.391 --> 00:50:49.011
Therefore, you learn something about the adult world or business world.
00:50:50.491 --> 00:50:56.711
That's Enoki. If you like the way Enoki handles his things or the way Baba handles his things.
00:50:57.251 --> 00:51:03.811
In a way, Baba losing the first title defense and returning title would kind
00:51:03.811 --> 00:51:08.751
of expose the business that the well-read,
00:51:09.331 --> 00:51:16.211
reading-oriented wrestling fans always figure out yes, Baba won the title from
00:51:16.211 --> 00:51:19.511
Harley Race, but he will be returning a title at the end of the tour.
00:51:19.711 --> 00:51:21.491
Sure enough, that's how it happens.
00:51:22.871 --> 00:51:25.891
Whereas Okie won
00:51:25.891 --> 00:51:28.691
the WWF title from Pacquiao and became the only and
00:51:28.691 --> 00:51:32.431
first WWE champion in history great Inoki
00:51:32.431 --> 00:51:35.331
didn't even lose the title he relinquished the title and
00:51:35.331 --> 00:51:38.571
then the title became vacant in very creative
00:51:38.571 --> 00:51:46.471
storyline and two title matches and one in Japan in the Madison Square Garden
00:51:46.471 --> 00:51:51.831
thing all taped and it's like a big big huge drama kind of thing almost and
00:51:51.831 --> 00:51:56.331
in larger scale too so you just have to figure out.
00:51:58.118 --> 00:52:01.778
On your own that you like, you know, you know, you know, Kiweo doing a title
00:52:01.778 --> 00:52:04.138
match or Baba is the right one.
00:52:04.358 --> 00:52:10.278
You know, like the honest businessman, like losing title at the end of the tour, like you should.
00:52:10.758 --> 00:52:15.318
And that's wrestling business. It's like, it's up to you, you know,
00:52:15.438 --> 00:52:20.498
who is the right way to do the business. Am I making any sense?
00:52:21.538 --> 00:52:26.318
Yeah, I think, okay. I don't know if it comes off this way to you,
00:52:26.318 --> 00:52:32.458
But to me, in these situations, Inoki does feel like the underdog in the situation
00:52:32.458 --> 00:52:35.638
for most of the 70s into the 80s.
00:52:36.458 --> 00:52:44.438
Yeah, yeah. Because Inoki couldn't have NWA World Title Championship match in New Japan ring.
00:52:44.658 --> 00:52:54.018
And for 70s into 80s, NWA National Wrestling Alliance until Vince McMahon's national expansion.
00:52:54.738 --> 00:53:01.358
NWA was the closest thing to undisputed world championship.
00:53:03.198 --> 00:53:12.098
And racing world. So when someone at All Japan made a choice to do the Harley
00:53:12.098 --> 00:53:17.838
Race program, was that Giant Baba who was pitching those strategies?
00:53:17.838 --> 00:53:20.958
Or was that coming down from the television station?
00:53:21.158 --> 00:53:26.558
Or who was really spearheading it? Because it seems like there's some kind of
00:53:26.558 --> 00:53:33.298
intent behind it, but it would explain the intent if we could know who made
00:53:33.298 --> 00:53:35.598
that decision. I believe it's both...
00:53:37.035 --> 00:53:41.535
Baba and NTV, Channel 4. Because T.B. Asahi and Anthony Inoki,
00:53:41.795 --> 00:53:48.255
just as soon as they find out that Inoki will be beating Buckland for the WWF title in Japan,
00:53:49.015 --> 00:53:54.895
Channel 4, NTV, and Giant Baba of Japan will bring in Hardy Race to beat him.
00:53:55.455 --> 00:53:58.535
That's a right, you know, it's a good business, right?
00:53:59.475 --> 00:54:04.095
One month, just exactly one month before this, you know, Inoki Backland title
00:54:04.095 --> 00:54:07.535
chain taking place, Baba will bring in Hardy Race to just to beat him.
00:54:07.875 --> 00:54:13.815
But at the end of the tour, Reiso beat him again, non-televised match to return the title.
00:54:14.695 --> 00:54:19.635
But all the reading-oriented wrestling fans in Japan will know all about it.
00:54:20.335 --> 00:54:25.155
That's how wrestling business works. I mean, kind of lose your fantasy mode, right? A little bit.
00:54:26.135 --> 00:54:34.455
Yeah. So it's like the long, I mean, like, if you watch, let's put it that way.
00:54:35.095 --> 00:54:40.555
If you watch wrestling long enough, I think a lot of the wrestling fans will
00:54:40.555 --> 00:54:45.375
think Baba is a better promoter than superstar Inoki.
00:54:46.775 --> 00:54:51.355
But the vast majority or the mainstream fans don't look at it that way.
00:54:51.595 --> 00:54:56.255
Inoki beating Baba Akira, New York champion, and relinquishing the title because
00:54:56.255 --> 00:54:59.375
he wasn't happy with how the title match went.
00:54:59.555 --> 00:55:03.175
And he has so much pride that he doesn't want to hold the title championship
00:55:03.175 --> 00:55:06.235
that way. and he relinquished the title. Great, great pride.
00:55:06.535 --> 00:55:10.395
The storyline worked for the general public.
00:55:11.095 --> 00:55:18.715
So this is always up to us who is a better promoter or a better producer or
00:55:18.715 --> 00:55:23.115
a more creative producer or who comes up as a more honest businessman.
00:55:23.315 --> 00:55:25.415
This has got two different issues already.
00:55:27.095 --> 00:55:35.235
Does that make sense? Yeah. But the partnership between New Japan and WWF, Vince McMahon Sr.
00:55:35.395 --> 00:55:39.715
Era was so strong that there was a, you know, you have All Japan,
00:55:39.975 --> 00:55:43.555
All Japan has champion carnival spring tournament, right?
00:55:44.175 --> 00:55:47.675
I mean, who's the best man to do this, you know, round robin tournament?
00:55:47.675 --> 00:55:52.575
There was a series at the tour called Madison Square Garden Series for a five-year
00:55:52.575 --> 00:55:56.875
period, 1978, 79, 80, 81, 82.
00:55:57.075 --> 00:56:00.615
Yeah, five-year period between 78 to 82.
00:56:00.975 --> 00:56:03.675
Madison Square Garden Series for New Japan.
00:56:04.035 --> 00:56:08.015
Every spring, they brought in people from W.A.
00:56:09.029 --> 00:56:14.209
The guest appearance of Bob Acklin, of course. You have Andre the Giant, you have Stan Hansen.
00:56:14.589 --> 00:56:17.889
They rotated like people like you have Tony Atlas, the Don Morocco,
00:56:18.109 --> 00:56:23.569
the René Goulet, the Nassau Big, but all these big stars from WWF come in and
00:56:23.569 --> 00:56:25.469
compete in championship tournament.
00:56:26.169 --> 00:56:32.669
And of course, Enochi usually wins, but the one year Andre the Giant won the
00:56:32.669 --> 00:56:34.509
championship, the final was,
00:56:34.729 --> 00:56:39.349
instead of Enochi, he was Andre the Giant against Kevlar Khan in one year.
00:56:39.869 --> 00:56:44.269
And there was, when the end of November and December comes, in Japan,
00:56:44.449 --> 00:56:47.489
you have tag team tournament season, right?
00:56:47.849 --> 00:56:51.389
Of course, all Japan's real world tag team tournament is such a big deal.
00:56:51.849 --> 00:56:56.449
And New Japan had this Madison Square Garden tag team league.
00:56:57.329 --> 00:57:02.509
It's a tag team version of Madison Square Garden series that they held this
00:57:02.509 --> 00:57:08.269
big tour between 1980 to 1984. So that's another five-year period.
00:57:08.689 --> 00:57:11.969
80, 81, 82, 83, 84. Yeah, five-year period.
00:57:12.329 --> 00:57:17.229
First year, the tag team of Inoki and Bob Backlund won the championship.
00:57:17.629 --> 00:57:19.429
That's ultimate babyface, right?
00:57:20.169 --> 00:57:24.009
Yeah. Yeah. Especially for the time. The two top champions.
00:57:24.929 --> 00:57:30.629
Oh, yeah. And that's 80. And 81, Andre the Giant and Randy Glade tag team won
00:57:30.629 --> 00:57:31.949
the tag team tournament.
00:57:32.509 --> 00:57:38.669
And 82 and 83, two consecutive years, Antonio Inoki and And now Babyface Hulk
00:57:38.669 --> 00:57:42.509
Hogan won the Tag Team Championship.
00:57:42.809 --> 00:57:48.509
I mean, not the championship, but the Tag Team Tournament, 82 and 83, two-year period.
00:57:49.309 --> 00:57:55.069
Inoki and Hulk Hogan won the tournament. And I think 84,
00:57:55.369 --> 00:58:00.689
Inoki, Fujinami, Tag Team, probably wasn't so important anymore because now
00:58:00.689 --> 00:58:06.429
we have this big, huge project of IWGP starts as of 1980.
00:58:07.669 --> 00:58:15.869
1980. Yeah, that idea. The first IWGP actual tournament won't take place until 1983.
00:58:16.649 --> 00:58:23.029
But the project started. You plant the idea. You plant the seed into people's head.
00:58:23.869 --> 00:58:27.389
International Wrestling Grand Prix will start.
00:58:27.709 --> 00:58:34.249
And this is to determine that undisputed who is the best wrestler in the world
00:58:34.249 --> 00:58:37.789
today, that the tournament will be held.
00:58:37.969 --> 00:58:41.169
All the existing championships will be relinquished.
00:58:41.549 --> 00:58:43.949
Inoki will vacate his NWF title.
00:58:45.632 --> 00:58:53.392
And Sakaguchi will be relinquishing and vacating his North American heavyweight title.
00:58:53.812 --> 00:58:58.652
Taiga Ji-Sing will be vacating his all-Asian championship.
00:58:59.232 --> 00:59:03.912
That you give up all the titles. Stan Henson will be giving up his 10-gallon
00:59:03.912 --> 00:59:06.032
hat because he's a cowboy, right?
00:59:07.972 --> 00:59:12.972
1981, Abdul-Butcher quit. Well, of course, you know, he got signed away.
00:59:12.972 --> 00:59:19.192
But that huge superstar, Abdul Abutja, quits all Japan and come into New Japan
00:59:19.192 --> 00:59:23.412
ring and relinquish his Caribbean heavyweight title. Is there such championship?
00:59:23.932 --> 00:59:29.572
Anyhow, he brought in some good-looking championship belt, and he relinquished
00:59:29.572 --> 00:59:31.972
the title because he wanted to be part of IWGP.
00:59:31.972 --> 00:59:43.732
With GP, and actually Inoki really vacated his NWF title, that was a marquee championship, right?
00:59:44.652 --> 00:59:48.812
For NWF title it was marquee title, marquee championship belt for,
00:59:48.872 --> 00:59:50.332
what, seven year period.
00:59:50.532 --> 00:59:57.192
Inoki defended his title and defended his championship against all the top names
00:59:57.192 --> 00:59:59.512
from all over the world and whatnot.
00:59:59.852 --> 01:00:05.552
He relinquished the title Therefore, this IWGP project will start.
01:00:06.612 --> 01:00:10.892
This will be the biggest thing in wrestling. 1980s fans all bought it.
01:00:11.752 --> 01:00:15.952
It would be better than NWF. It would be better than WWF. It would be better than NWA.
01:00:16.692 --> 01:00:20.232
That was the idea. It was fresh. It was a new idea.
01:00:21.172 --> 01:00:26.432
Yeah, yeah. And relinquishing the existing title. Oh, it's like, wow. It's a real deal.
01:00:27.112 --> 01:00:32.872
Yeah, real deal. Yeah, yeah. so they New Japan held all these tours and shows
01:00:32.872 --> 01:00:37.012
without any championship for a three year period you know there was you know,
01:00:37.832 --> 01:00:40.792
a single match program Inoki against
01:00:40.792 --> 01:00:45.272
Stan Hansen again something like Inoki against say Masked Superstar they did
01:00:45.272 --> 01:00:50.512
the main event without title without championship they did interesting now that
01:00:50.512 --> 01:00:55.992
I brought up the Masked Superstar another wrestler whose legacy has been overlooked
01:00:55.992 --> 01:00:58.832
he was a big superstar in Japan In that time, you know,
01:00:59.652 --> 01:01:02.412
late 70s into early 80s, Masked Superstar.
01:01:02.632 --> 01:01:06.052
Maybe he's more famous as demolition in America, right?
01:01:06.792 --> 01:01:08.792
Probably. As Axe.
01:01:09.692 --> 01:01:15.112
Axe of demolition. Axe, yeah, yeah, demolition. But Masked Superstar was a top superstar in Japan.
01:01:15.632 --> 01:01:19.612
When they didn't have championship belt to defend, there was like a single match,
01:01:19.732 --> 01:01:20.892
Inoki against Masked Superstar.
01:01:21.112 --> 01:01:26.492
Masked Superstar's mask was at stake. yeah so Inoki beat,
01:01:27.132 --> 01:01:31.572
Masked Superstar in the middle of the ring and unmasked him that was dramatic
01:01:31.572 --> 01:01:37.052
yeah then he came back as a Billy Crusher without mask for one tour and didn't
01:01:37.052 --> 01:01:42.312
go over that well so he went back to Masked Superstar shortly after that but so yeah.
01:01:43.436 --> 01:01:50.256
Nothing happens. And very first inaugural IWGP tournament happened finally in 1983.
01:01:50.876 --> 01:01:54.796
Like 40 shows, 40 days in a row, all over Japan, all big shows.
01:01:55.656 --> 01:02:01.836
Inoki, Andre the Giant, Hulk Hogan, Big John Studd, Otto Vance from Europe,
01:02:02.136 --> 01:02:10.056
Enrique Vera from Mexico, Akira Maeda coming back from Europe as a Europe heavyweight champion.
01:02:10.056 --> 01:02:15.336
So he's in the main event, you know, cluster. So Dick Murak, probably A.B.
01:02:15.396 --> 01:02:20.176
Adonis, Russia Kimura, all these top talent had this round-robin tournament.
01:02:20.596 --> 01:02:25.896
The final was, instead of having Andre the Giant, that was Antonio Inoki against
01:02:25.896 --> 01:02:29.976
soon-to-be larger-than-life superstar Hulk Hogan.
01:02:30.736 --> 01:02:37.216
That was the time. Stan Hansen already left for All Japan at the end of 1981.
01:02:38.196 --> 01:02:41.316
He was the full-time in All Japan in 1982. too
01:02:41.316 --> 01:02:44.756
that's when hulk hogan signed exclusive deal
01:02:44.756 --> 01:02:48.936
with old japan and turned baby face that
01:02:48.936 --> 01:02:51.576
was very smart you know because the smart on new
01:02:51.576 --> 01:02:57.336
japan's part but the hulk hogan studied inoki bob backland and stan hansen under
01:02:57.336 --> 01:03:02.956
the giant in japan you know what i'm saying if you go back and now that we can
01:03:02.956 --> 01:03:08.956
watch it so easily you can go back and you can see where he got the moves where he got his rhythm,
01:03:09.776 --> 01:03:12.816
a lot of yeah you should you should go back and see.
01:03:14.016 --> 01:03:18.076
Babyface Hulk Hogan against Abdurah the Butcher in New Japan and you know,
01:03:19.176 --> 01:03:23.456
doing hulking up right the first time three punch of course,
01:03:24.336 --> 01:03:27.356
Inoki's punch was comeback it was exactly like Inoki yeah
01:03:27.356 --> 01:03:30.776
and yeah it was Inoki was Inoki and
01:03:30.776 --> 01:03:33.816
Hulk Hogan 28 year old
01:03:33.816 --> 01:03:38.596
Hulk Hogan became tag team like a real big huge babyface Hulk Hogan wearing
01:03:38.596 --> 01:03:43.196
kimono and smart enough he had this black trunks and silver boots but he had
01:03:43.196 --> 01:03:49.796
ichiban kanji riding on his trunks like now he's local baby face right long
01:03:49.796 --> 01:03:51.536
blonde hair big sunglasses,
01:03:52.556 --> 01:03:58.896
yep and he worked like when when american wrestling fan hear how kogan's name
01:03:58.896 --> 01:04:03.216
is like always you know you associate with yellow trunks and yellow boots and
01:04:03.216 --> 01:04:06.696
big boots and leg drop one It's not like that.
01:04:07.216 --> 01:04:14.476
When he was working New Japan pretty much full time, he wrestled Japanese style. Really did.
01:04:14.836 --> 01:04:21.596
So these people have to go back and watch New Japan archive to find out how
01:04:21.596 --> 01:04:22.996
Kogan really did wrestle.
01:04:24.568 --> 01:04:27.748
He was pretty good he was really good actually so i
01:04:27.748 --> 01:04:30.588
have to defend him yeah yeah he i mean if you go back
01:04:30.588 --> 01:04:34.628
and watch the matches that he was in around this time they're
01:04:34.628 --> 01:04:38.688
not going to put somebody who can't wrestle in the ring with you know you know
01:04:38.688 --> 01:04:44.128
j the giant and stan hansen and bob back then you know he yeah i'm not saying
01:04:44.128 --> 01:04:47.828
he's like you know i'm not saying he's billy robinson or carl god but i'm I'm
01:04:47.828 --> 01:04:54.288
saying he was absolutely more than, what can I say?
01:04:55.768 --> 01:05:02.728
Above average for his height and size and for the time.
01:05:02.788 --> 01:05:08.108
And also, Hong Kong initially was introduced to Japanese ring back in 1980 as
01:05:08.108 --> 01:05:09.628
a prologue of Hiro Matsuda.
01:05:09.868 --> 01:05:14.008
This guy was trained by Japanese wrestler Hiro Matsuda. Kiro Matsuda is a coach
01:05:14.008 --> 01:05:18.188
of Hogan, Paul Orndorff, Ron Simmons, Lex Luger.
01:05:18.568 --> 01:05:21.568
He only trained big guys, talented big guys.
01:05:25.308 --> 01:05:29.448
Haukogun was always in kind of a right place at the right time kind of guy, of course.
01:05:29.628 --> 01:05:36.168
But Haukogun was so smart that just as soon as Stan Henson left for all Japan,
01:05:36.448 --> 01:05:39.208
he took that spot right away and signed a deal with New Japan.
01:05:39.208 --> 01:05:42.008
Like your contract with
01:05:42.008 --> 01:05:45.528
New Japan and turn babyface and they're
01:05:45.528 --> 01:05:48.628
on this real Hulk Hogan legacy
01:05:48.628 --> 01:05:51.828
starts with New Japan not with WWF
01:05:51.828 --> 01:05:57.448
that's what I'm talking about I think Hulkamania started in Tokyo not New York
01:05:57.448 --> 01:06:04.708
right and at the same time he was dividing his time with AWA Minneapolis and
01:06:04.708 --> 01:06:10.128
in Tokyo in Minneapolis he already had started the program, the challenger,
01:06:11.794 --> 01:06:16.014
against champion Nick Barkwinkle. They had great matches there, 80 to 83. Yeah.
01:06:16.394 --> 01:06:19.714
So they were doing that. He actually won the title beating Nick Barkwinkle in
01:06:19.714 --> 01:06:23.834
the ring and people leave the building thinking that the Hulk Hogan beat Barkwinkle for the title.
01:06:24.154 --> 01:06:27.914
He leaves, you know, then leave the building and next week on TV,
01:06:28.534 --> 01:06:34.274
somewhat, somehow, the decision was reversed and then the title was back to Barkwinkle.
01:06:34.454 --> 01:06:36.314
They did that like twice, three times.
01:06:36.934 --> 01:06:42.094
I think that's when people start losing faith in AWA though, you know, locally.
01:06:43.954 --> 01:06:48.634
It's a completely different route. Yeah, I think so.
01:06:49.434 --> 01:06:55.714
And how Colgan handled Varangania business real well, that he drew a lot of people.
01:06:56.054 --> 01:07:03.314
And AWA was booming in Midwest. Not just Midwest, but not just Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois,
01:07:03.834 --> 01:07:09.114
North Dakota, South Dakota, or Winnipeg, but they expanded to Salt Lake City,
01:07:09.114 --> 01:07:12.614
in Denver and all the way to San Francisco. Remember?
01:07:13.094 --> 01:07:17.434
AWA territory got so much bigger around that time period.
01:07:17.994 --> 01:07:21.074
And the main event was Nick Park against babyface Hulk Hogan.
01:07:21.614 --> 01:07:25.474
So Hulk Hogan was doing Hulkamania thing years before Hulkamania,
01:07:26.214 --> 01:07:27.434
which was very interesting.
01:07:27.654 --> 01:07:31.834
I mean, those portions of history are so overlooked. Yeah.
01:07:32.754 --> 01:07:36.334
Well, I mean, it's good that it's available now. You can watch it pretty much
01:07:36.334 --> 01:07:40.074
whenever if you have New Japan World. I'm sure you can pull things up or wwe
01:07:40.074 --> 01:07:45.594
network wwe network has awa archive now too so if.
01:07:47.209 --> 01:07:50.209
Interested in the real history of it because people only know
01:07:50.209 --> 01:07:54.389
wwe version of wrestling history right that was
01:07:54.389 --> 01:07:59.529
kind of like uh the second act the part two of his career but part one of hulkamania
01:07:59.529 --> 01:08:03.969
is are in those years i mean he was really popular he was really popular he
01:08:03.969 --> 01:08:08.689
was wrestling probably his best in-ring matches around that time his whole career
01:08:08.689 --> 01:08:12.529
i mean yeah i mean you you could see or he got his,
01:08:12.589 --> 01:08:15.149
not his, his, his, his routine.
01:08:15.589 --> 01:08:18.769
Cause you know, by the end, I'm not saying that in a negative way either.
01:08:18.869 --> 01:08:21.149
It's just what he, that's what he, all he had to do was do his routine.
01:08:21.409 --> 01:08:26.609
And also, AW television, Hulk Hogan was already saying that the Hulkamania is
01:08:26.609 --> 01:08:28.969
running wild as early as 1982.
01:08:29.489 --> 01:08:32.629
Hulkamania is running wild. If there wasn't the word Hulkamania,
01:08:32.829 --> 01:08:33.929
there was no WrestleMania.
01:08:34.949 --> 01:08:41.409
See, the word Hulkamania was there before the word WrestleMania was invented.
01:08:41.589 --> 01:08:45.709
Yeah and the partnership
01:08:45.709 --> 01:08:49.689
between new japan and and wwf
01:08:49.689 --> 01:08:52.909
lasted all the way to 1985
01:08:52.909 --> 01:08:57.849
that the national expansion started in 84 but the actual business partnership
01:08:57.849 --> 01:09:03.049
between wwf and new japan lasted all the way to like the summer of 1985 and
01:09:03.049 --> 01:09:07.189
that that time period the hulk hogan's last appearance with in New Japan for
01:09:07.189 --> 01:09:10.329
the next seven years was June of 1985.
01:09:10.689 --> 01:09:15.429
He came back as WDF's champion and defended his title against Fujinami,
01:09:15.489 --> 01:09:18.369
but he wasn't wearing yellow boots and yellow trunks.
01:09:18.509 --> 01:09:24.449
When he came back to Japan, even after WrestleMania 1, see, WrestleMania 1 was
01:09:24.449 --> 01:09:26.289
what, March 31st of 1985?
01:09:26.709 --> 01:09:31.029
So three months after that, he had this black trunks with Ichiban on it.
01:09:31.149 --> 01:09:34.429
He didn't wear yellow wrestling boots. Instead, he had a silver boots.
01:09:34.429 --> 01:09:39.009
So he had this Japanese attire, then he came back to Japan and defended his
01:09:39.009 --> 01:09:41.449
title against Fujinami as WWF champion.
01:09:41.869 --> 01:09:46.869
But shortly after that, all the WWF talent was pulled from New Japan.
01:09:47.789 --> 01:09:49.989
Vince McMahon said, no more Japan tour.
01:09:51.229 --> 01:09:57.669
All the WWF talent stopped coming over. Everybody was gone, but under the giant.
01:09:57.669 --> 01:10:03.789
And that's when New Japan had to sign deals with people like Fritz Von Erich
01:10:03.789 --> 01:10:06.989
World Class and Kevin Von Erich and Kerry Von Erich started coming to New Japan.
01:10:07.409 --> 01:10:12.029
And also Sakaguchi went over to Bill Watts and started bringing people like
01:10:12.029 --> 01:10:15.329
Steve Williams and young Rick Steiner and whatnot.
01:10:15.769 --> 01:10:19.589
And they had to sign deals with other companies at the time.
01:10:19.589 --> 01:10:27.829
So people like Konga the Barbarian, the young Kokina, Kokina before him.
01:10:29.484 --> 01:10:33.044
Yeah, years before he was Yokozuna. Yeah, all these younger,
01:10:33.264 --> 01:10:35.164
all like the Punisher, Dice Morgan.
01:10:35.604 --> 01:10:39.764
Later on, he becomes Undertaker. But all those younger, big body,
01:10:39.984 --> 01:10:46.064
heavyweight talent had to be recruited to Japan because the partnership between
01:10:46.064 --> 01:10:51.404
New Japan and WWF was pretty much finished at that point.
01:10:52.104 --> 01:10:56.504
Yeah, so they went separate way. Unbelievable thing about that in retrospect
01:10:56.504 --> 01:11:04.924
is that during that year 1985 Hulk Hogan was champion he was working in both in,
01:11:05.764 --> 01:11:09.024
WWE WWF and New Japan
01:11:09.024 --> 01:11:14.624
you know yeah all the way to like summer of 85 summer of 85 even after WrestleMania
01:11:14.624 --> 01:11:20.904
1 would that be like if Roman Reigns was IWGP champion for half the year and
01:11:20.904 --> 01:11:26.964
would spend half the time in Japan and then comes back and does Smackdown yeah I mean,
01:11:27.004 --> 01:11:29.484
it sounds pretty insane,
01:11:29.744 --> 01:11:32.224
but that's, I mean, that's Hulkamania.
01:11:32.424 --> 01:11:36.264
That's, I guess, where it was probably at. And personally, I'm pretty sure Hulk
01:11:36.264 --> 01:11:37.764
Hogan took Japan deal seriously.
01:11:38.064 --> 01:11:43.624
You know, he was superstar in Japan years before he was like larger than life
01:11:43.624 --> 01:11:45.524
superstar phenomenon in America.
01:11:46.644 --> 01:11:53.384
After this WrestleMania one period on that, the WWE became the world.
01:11:53.584 --> 01:11:59.424
That's the whole wrestling world. And Japan is like an isolated world, you know.
01:11:59.864 --> 01:12:04.984
And pretty soon, interestingly enough, we'll cover that in Jan Barber.
01:12:06.924 --> 01:12:12.764
Had a legacy, but Giant Baba cut the tie with American company too pretty soon
01:12:12.764 --> 01:12:19.604
because NWA was no longer big family territory thing that all these existing
01:12:19.604 --> 01:12:22.964
companies in America is closing their doors right and left, right?
01:12:23.844 --> 01:12:30.184
It pretty soon became Vince McMahon's WWF against Jim Crockett Jr.'s NWA Crockett promotion.
01:12:30.464 --> 01:12:35.064
Then pretty soon NWA Crockett promotion becomes WCW.
01:12:35.604 --> 01:12:39.424
Then you have late 80s into
01:12:39.424 --> 01:12:42.244
90s big two major league companies period in
01:12:42.244 --> 01:12:45.124
america and japan or japan baba's old
01:12:45.124 --> 01:12:49.104
japan in okie's new japan all existed separately yeah so
01:12:49.104 --> 01:12:55.864
that the landscape you know really changed around that time period 80s mid 80s
01:12:55.864 --> 01:13:02.744
late 80s into 90s completely changed i think right in the middle 85 is is where
01:13:02.744 --> 01:13:04.404
what you're talking about with
01:13:04.404 --> 01:13:08.804
holgan where we're And the relationship between WWF and New Japan ended?
01:13:09.124 --> 01:13:15.424
Yeah, I was already back in Japan and I visited Hogan at the KO Plus hotel and
01:13:15.424 --> 01:13:20.624
he was willing to have Japan tour, but the business deals became different.
01:13:20.624 --> 01:13:24.944
That he had so much, you know, schedules and other projects and Vince McMahon
01:13:24.944 --> 01:13:28.184
and how Kogan was the it thing,
01:13:28.404 --> 01:13:36.684
you know, for the next, what, six, seven-year period that it was the prime time WWE, you know, era,
01:13:36.944 --> 01:13:39.304
you know, and then how Kogan was the top talent,
01:13:39.704 --> 01:13:46.804
WrestleMania I, WrestleMania II, and SummerSlam, and that the SummerSlam being created,
01:13:46.944 --> 01:13:49.584
that the Survivor Series being created, that the Royal Rumble being created,
01:13:49.584 --> 01:13:54.724
that the closed circuit is no longer that the business model has changed into pay-for-view.
01:13:54.964 --> 01:13:59.244
That becomes the late 80s thing. And it's just American wrestling and Japanese
01:13:59.244 --> 01:14:00.744
wrestling became two different things.
01:14:01.104 --> 01:14:03.004
I mean, two different industries almost.
01:14:04.304 --> 01:14:10.444
And it's funny because Hogan became definitely the face of that generation for wrestling then.
01:14:10.664 --> 01:14:16.804
And Inoki stayed a part of the face of Japanese pro wrestling until a little bit later.
01:14:17.044 --> 01:14:21.984
Yeah, a little bit later. But the aging Inoki was not popular,
01:14:21.984 --> 01:14:25.884
you know, at the end of the 80s. Yeah.
01:14:26.344 --> 01:14:32.124
Because Fujinami, Miki Choshu, Akira Maeda all became main event within New
01:14:32.124 --> 01:14:34.604
Japan and wanted to have a single match program, right?
01:14:34.924 --> 01:14:37.164
And that's the only way. But instead,
01:14:37.364 --> 01:14:42.044
Inoki chose Masa Saito to be his opponent all the way to like 1987.
01:14:44.004 --> 01:14:50.024
IWGP tournament in spring. Like I said, how Kogan won the inaugural tournament winner in 83.
01:14:50.204 --> 01:14:54.764
But 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, that the tournament –.
01:14:56.383 --> 01:15:02.643
For another five-year period between 83 and 87. And at the end of 1987 tournament,
01:15:02.923 --> 01:15:05.003
the final was Inoki against Masa Saito.
01:15:05.503 --> 01:15:11.943
And Inoki, of course, naturally won. And IWGP became championship belt instead of tournament.
01:15:12.583 --> 01:15:17.403
Now you have, what, the 33, 35-year history of IWGP tournament,
01:15:17.643 --> 01:15:19.943
all the way to Kazuchika Okada.
01:15:20.243 --> 01:15:24.203
But Inagiwo, the initial heavyweight
01:15:24.203 --> 01:15:30.223
champion, And the IWGP became championship belt was spring of 1987.
01:15:30.623 --> 01:15:34.903
Inoki was the first champion. That lineage all the way to Kazuchika Okada for
01:15:34.903 --> 01:15:37.503
35-year history. Now there you have it.
01:15:38.543 --> 01:15:41.863
Now you know the rest of the story kind of thing.
01:15:42.483 --> 01:15:45.523
It's an ongoing story too. Yeah, yeah.
01:15:45.643 --> 01:15:50.303
But the IWGP heavyweight title has that kind of rich, rich history.
01:15:50.303 --> 01:15:55.823
And also the beginning, there was a big project that all the Japanese fans in
01:15:55.823 --> 01:15:59.143
the early 80s really believed it was going to be the biggest thing in wrestling.
01:16:00.023 --> 01:16:05.683
The IWGP. Yeah. And people thought Inoki, yeah, in the first tournament,
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Inoki was going to, you know, people thought he was going to beat Hulk Hogan
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to become the first winner of IWGP. Therefore, he will be the biggest thing in wrestling.
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Instead, Hulk Hogan beat Inoki and there was like another, uh you know he's
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a very creative booking don't you think the uh with a dq finish no enoki,
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was knocked out that's right yeah you know he went you know he went.
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Hospital and it was in evening news and still up
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to debate if if it was inoki just decided to
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lay there what was their accident that he really
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hit the head the head hard in the ring and knocked unconscious and
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he just up to debate even to this day that he did not tell even sakaguchi about
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it because everybody panicked in the ring and he wasn't acting everybody panicked
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and ambulance was called inoki
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was put in ambulance went straight to hospital it was in evening news,
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But was it still, doesn't say it was really like the big accident or anything like that.
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A lot of people still think Inoki decided to lay there without telling anybody about it.
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I mean, that's like one of the biggest mystery in modern wrestling history.
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That night, June of 1983, that the finish, the way Hulk Hogan panicked in the
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ring, it signifies that I don't think he was told.
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But it's up to debate I mean I don't have the answer either is that interesting?
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Very dramatic it's pretty controversial too I mean it's one of Inoki's few on
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the record losses technically,
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he's only lost to a handful of people but you have to think what ifs though
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what if Inoki won the initial inaugural IWGP tournament in June of 1983 to become
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the first tournament winner to be the IWGP tournament winner,
01:18:04.783 --> 01:18:07.823
that will be like the end of.
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But he made it very much like episode 1 by losing that match IWGP became even
01:18:18.150 --> 01:18:28.610
bigger by losing so my vote is that Inoki all by himself decided to lay there,
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I don't know really, it's still up to debate to this day was Inoki really knocked
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unconscious an ambulance was called It was in evening news and also the newspaper,
01:18:43.190 --> 01:18:45.790
regular newspaper, next morning that Mr.
01:18:45.890 --> 01:18:50.410
Inoki had an accident in the ring and he was knocked unconscious and went straight to the hospital.
01:18:50.970 --> 01:18:53.590
That took place too, yeah, as a record.
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Do you think that if Inoki had won or won over on… IWCP-12?
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Either that yeah or in any other,
01:19:07.450 --> 01:19:11.210
it doesn't have to be in that format if there's any situation if you step back
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and think about it in a more from this time period if Inoki let Hogan get over
01:19:18.550 --> 01:19:23.550
on him or not if Inoki just controlled the program do you think Hulkamania would
01:19:23.550 --> 01:19:26.390
have happened do you think the trajectory would have been different.
01:19:28.550 --> 01:19:32.310
Well sooner or later Inoki against Hulk Hogan Well, see, 82,
01:19:32.450 --> 01:19:39.430
83, you know, up until then, that Inoki and Hulk Hogan was tag team partners,
01:19:39.830 --> 01:19:42.810
winning the tag team tournament two years in a row, right?
01:19:42.970 --> 01:19:45.350
So there was history. There was some history between them. Yeah.
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And as of the beginning of this IWGP inaugural tournament, Hulk Hogan became
01:19:51.870 --> 01:19:57.110
single competitor and won all the, you know, the tournament matches and became
01:19:57.110 --> 01:19:58.630
the finalist of the tournament.
01:20:00.516 --> 01:20:04.836
And actually, Inoki was another finalist. Inoki against Hulk Hogan,
01:20:05.016 --> 01:20:07.276
the tournament final. Big, big match.
01:20:07.536 --> 01:20:10.996
And if Inoki won, it wasn't going to be that big of a news, right?
01:20:12.916 --> 01:20:18.876
If Inoki won, yeah, I mean... It's just another tournament. Yeah.
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And I think maybe fans would have lost faith because, listen,
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there was another really hot company right across the street.
01:20:26.616 --> 01:20:29.876
Yeah, because the three years in making an IWGP myth,
01:20:30.976 --> 01:20:34.836
and all the legend and the storyline all young fans believed in Japan at the
01:20:34.836 --> 01:20:39.236
time that IWGP was going to be the biggest thing in wrestling and Hinoki won
01:20:39.236 --> 01:20:44.316
and ended that was the end of it probably and by having Howe Kogan go over and
01:20:44.316 --> 01:20:49.116
Howe Kogan became larger than life in Japan for one thing and he wore that,
01:20:50.296 --> 01:20:56.376
initial very original IWGP championship belt in that ring and the photo exists
01:20:56.376 --> 01:21:02.496
and Howe Kogan to this day think I was the original IWGP champion. That's true, right?
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And also, following year in 1984, the second IWGP tournament,
01:21:07.796 --> 01:21:10.156
again, Antony Noki against Hulk.
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Was the final he already won the wwf championship then though you know what i'm saying remember,
01:21:16.996 --> 01:21:25.236
january of 1984 hulk hogan beat ian chic to become wwf wwf champion and hulkamaniac
01:21:25.236 --> 01:21:32.816
and the national expansion era already began but hulk hogan was still taking his japan dates,
01:21:33.556 --> 01:21:36.436
he was still traveling back and forth back and
01:21:36.436 --> 01:21:39.376
forth when when he was in america he does this
01:21:39.376 --> 01:21:42.196
yellow trunks hulk hogan hulk a maniac when he comes
01:21:42.196 --> 01:21:45.036
back to japan in 1984 he still wears black
01:21:45.036 --> 01:21:50.656
trunks with each one on it and part of new japan so he almost lived double life
01:21:50.656 --> 01:21:56.036
for like another two year period that was kind of normal for a lot of superstars
01:21:56.036 --> 01:22:00.356
that were traveling back and forth right they would come up until 1984 yes yeah
01:22:00.356 --> 01:22:03.836
i asked adrian adonis you know he told me that,
01:22:04.356 --> 01:22:07.256
his contract says Japan deal is separate.
01:22:09.776 --> 01:22:17.516
But after 1985, the real WrestleMania era began, and Vince McMahon pretty much
01:22:17.516 --> 01:22:22.736
stopped everybody from coming into Japan. So that was interesting.
01:22:23.476 --> 01:22:30.816
But for the record, the 1984 second annual IWGP tournament final was again Antonio
01:22:30.816 --> 01:22:32.836
Inoki against Hulk Hogan.
01:22:32.836 --> 01:22:38.496
This time, now superstar Ricky Choshu, along with Masa Saito,
01:22:38.676 --> 01:22:40.096
ran in and destroyed the match.
01:22:40.436 --> 01:22:45.816
And had the double count finish, and people got so mad, and they had to restart the match.
01:22:45.976 --> 01:22:51.056
And had another double count out, and people got so mad, started throwing things in the ring.
01:22:51.616 --> 01:22:58.056
And Ricky Choshu still did the running and gave big clothesline to Hulk Hogan.
01:22:58.056 --> 01:23:04.836
And Inoki, you know, quickly went back to the ring and beat Hulk Hogan or the count-out finish.
01:23:05.356 --> 01:23:11.596
And therefore, Inoki won the tournament. People got so mad at the Sumo Palace, they start the fire.
01:23:11.896 --> 01:23:14.216
Another big historical riot.
01:23:17.233 --> 01:23:19.973
People were so enthusiastic back then huh
01:23:19.973 --> 01:23:22.893
they were fired up you know japanese fans like
01:23:22.893 --> 01:23:25.633
you know they yeah because they don't boo you because you're here
01:23:25.633 --> 01:23:28.413
japanese fans will boo you because they don't like what
01:23:28.413 --> 01:23:32.073
they're seeing it's two different things right yeah
01:23:32.073 --> 01:23:35.393
but interestingly enough that the hawk maniacs started
01:23:35.393 --> 01:23:38.633
in america already in 1984 but hokonga
01:23:38.633 --> 01:23:41.973
was still making you know that uh pretty
01:23:41.973 --> 01:23:44.693
frequent trip to japan and work in
01:23:44.693 --> 01:23:47.833
two different places at the same time yeah it was
01:23:47.833 --> 01:23:50.613
a very interesting era to study it was
01:23:50.613 --> 01:23:54.133
kind of the last of that sort of
01:23:54.133 --> 01:23:58.093
era for i guess you could say free agent wrestlers
01:23:58.093 --> 01:24:01.033
because he wasn't locked up until 1985 or after that
01:24:01.033 --> 01:24:03.753
with the right right right and it won't come
01:24:03.753 --> 01:24:08.213
back until 1990 when they had uh wwf and
01:24:08.213 --> 01:24:11.693
new japan and all japan three company combined and
01:24:11.693 --> 01:24:16.153
had the tokyo dome wrestling summit remember yeah
01:24:16.153 --> 01:24:19.453
okay we'll talk about that at the final episode of
01:24:19.453 --> 01:24:22.913
antonio enoki episode five because uh yeah
01:24:22.913 --> 01:24:28.673
uh i think we did we covered a lot of ground today and i think he had a lot
01:24:28.673 --> 01:24:33.573
to do with today's history too i think it's another dense one but we've made
01:24:33.573 --> 01:24:40.293
it we're almost there so next time we'll pick up We're almost there. 1985.
01:24:40.813 --> 01:24:45.193
But we still have to start the Giant Baba legacy on until Inoki retires.
01:24:45.613 --> 01:24:47.813
Inoki retires in April of 1998.
01:24:48.693 --> 01:24:54.513
And that was the last time he had a real wrestling match in that ring with Folk Gear.
01:24:55.033 --> 01:25:00.993
And also, December of 1998, Giant Baba has his last match in his life.
01:25:01.153 --> 01:25:09.573
So both Giant Baba and Antonio Inoki had his first match in September of 1960. and both Inoki and Baal.
01:25:11.238 --> 01:25:16.858
Final match in 1998. I don't think it's an accident. It's kind of like their destiny. Yeah.
01:25:18.378 --> 01:25:21.818
All right. We'll cover that. We're going to cover that on the final episode.
01:25:22.598 --> 01:25:28.918
Yeah. Hope, yeah, we'll skip some years and eras and the episode back and forth, back and forth.
01:25:29.438 --> 01:25:33.278
I'm hoping that the people will follow by listening to what we're talking today.
01:25:33.558 --> 01:25:37.198
I hope we can fit the rest of his career into an episode too,
01:25:37.238 --> 01:25:42.118
because from late 80s, well, we're going to have to talk about a lot of non-wrestling
01:25:42.118 --> 01:25:45.018
situations Enoki was in too. He was very...
01:25:46.518 --> 01:25:51.178
There's nobody like him. Oh, the politician, being a politician. Being a politician.
01:25:52.518 --> 01:25:59.058
Businessman. Yeah, and then he saved the hostage from Iran and all that things. We'll have that.
01:25:59.418 --> 01:26:05.098
And also, of all places, he had a wrestling extravaganza at North Korea with,
01:26:05.118 --> 01:26:07.978
what, 130 people in that building.
01:26:08.358 --> 01:26:11.078
Enoki against Ric Flair thing. yeah we'll cover that
01:26:11.078 --> 01:26:15.358
okay we got another action-packed episode
01:26:15.358 --> 01:26:18.498
so get ready for it yeah but the real but when
01:26:18.498 --> 01:26:21.558
he had the north korea 130
01:26:21.558 --> 01:26:24.858
you know 180 000 people think you know he wasn't exactly
01:26:24.858 --> 01:26:28.718
active wrestler he was a politician he came back a couple times a year in his
01:26:28.718 --> 01:26:31.878
working shape just to have one or two matches a year that was like that for
01:26:31.878 --> 01:26:37.478
the last five years of his career yeah but the acting i mean like a full-time
01:26:37.478 --> 01:26:43.298
wrestler his the inoki's career practically ended around 1988.
01:26:44.178 --> 01:26:47.138
And there was a famous match with fujinami too around that time,
01:26:47.758 --> 01:26:54.918
yeah august 8th 1988 uh iwgp heavyweight champion fujinami inoki was a challenger
01:26:54.918 --> 01:27:00.458
and they did that 60-minute classic we'll have that next time all right yeah
01:27:00.458 --> 01:27:05.158
all right let's wrap So where can people ask you questions on online?
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01:27:21.118 --> 01:27:23.618
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So, okay, let's get ready for the final part next week. So, for Fumi, so long from Tokyo.
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