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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone. It's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. And we're back on Work in Progress with none other than Elizabeth Cott. Let's dive in and pull on all those threads from the first part of our conversation, shall we?
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Speaker 2: I'm curious. Yes. With the writing the book process, I heard you say on your episode of this very show that it was a very healing experience. Yeah. What was the most cathartic part of that?
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Speaker 1: Man, you know, I think, and this is something I've talked about a little bit, but I would venture plenty of people deal with this. When you do the work like you were talking about, when you work to... become a better version of yourself year over year, learn better tools, figure out how to have better conversations. There is work in that. And I think for people like me who really love a lot of information, I can figure out an experience I've had by understanding where it fits in the larger you know, realm of experience where I can go, well, X percent of women experience this. Okay, okay, that helps me. What I can also do is intellectualize my feelings more than I feel them. And I can say like, no, I figured this out and this is why. And yeah, that's cute, but how do you feel about it? And what was really interesting about so many segments of the book is they forced me to feel things that I certainly didn't want to Then in the beginning of the process, I was like, oh, come on. I've done it. I'm good. It's kind of masturbatory to go back and, you know, who gives a shit? And I was like, oh yeah, that's really, that's a coping mechanism. Okay. And I had to go back and feel through things. And then in writing about them, it was almost like an exorcism of sorts. They actually moved through me. They actually lost their sort of like, sticky coating on my insides. And, you know, I got like the gunk out of the pipes, if you will. And the craziest part then was there were sections of the book that I wrote that were searing and honest and true and evidenced ADHD again. And then I went, yeah, now it's out of me and I don't actually need it to be out in the world. So there were entire sections of the And began again. And that was a really profound experience for me because I realized this is actually the balance of the thing I struggle with. I am really proud of my work and I love what I do. And I'm proud to be an advocate. And I only get to be an advocate because I'm a public figure. And I also wish sometimes I could go out in a mask.
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Speaker 2: And.
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Speaker 1: I want to give everybody everything and I also want to have a private life. And in the strangest way, really giving everything for a book, I also learned how to keep some things for me. And I realized you can do that at the same time. It's just complex work.
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Speaker 2: That's really beautiful. What an amazing tunnel to move through.
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Speaker 1: Definitely like a rebirth yes a canal if you would so I.
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Speaker 2: Do want to talk about first of all I want to talk about one of the chapters in the book and I have to say what a surreal and flattering thing it is to make it into somebody's memoir like how special what a surprise that was.
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Speaker 1: I know I almost like wrote you a note about it and then I was like no I just wanted to flip the page and be surprised.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's also one of these really illuminating chapters in terms of your relationship with your mom. And do we want to kind of like tee up what that bit is about?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, again, and I realize I'm doing the thing where I intellectualize it a little bit and I'm admitting it. And here we are. This is... this is therapy and whatever, emotional overthinkers anonymous or something. I know a lot of people go through these sort of contraction and expansion periods with their family. And I think that's really human. Like sometimes your parents are your best friends and sometimes you want to, you know, jump out of a moving car when they're bothering you about something for the thousandth time and And I know so many of us have like interesting roads to walk with our families. And for me, I got to qualify an experience that I was having, I would say maybe 70% of the way through like a big journey that I was on with my parents. And I was in this complex place and I was, you know, studying psychology and looking at family systems and, you know, did all of this really intellectual work. And then also, like, went to see the healer and called somebody psychic. Like, why not? At this point, I just want somebody to tell me what feels true, wherever it comes from. The best idea always wins, as I used to always say on set. And... I had seen this really cool energy worker a bunch of our friends had seen at that point. And she said to me, you know, you're in this struggle because you came into this lifetime to be your mother's mother. But you are just a human that's alive in your lifetime and you want your mom to be your mom. And at first I was like, this, like, what does that even mean? And then interestingly enough, I, I started to really kind of understand the profundity of a matrilineal line and what we carry and what we inherit. And the fact that, you know, your DNA can literally be changed generations after a trauma. You know, if your grandmother went through something, it can change your presentation and your body now, that kind of stuff. And I was like, wait a second, maybe there's a place where like the woo-woo and the psych meet. And You and I were in the kitchen at Friendsgiving and I was telling you about this. And then this crazy past lives moment with my mom happened. And she said what she said to you and I.
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Speaker 2: And like, I remember clutching your wrist. I was like, oh.
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Speaker 1: I just was like, thank God I have a witness to this. Because this is happening. My mother... You know, I almost called it the TLDR, but I want you guys to read it because it is a beautiful story. But like my mother essentially, I mean, did say to Elizabeth and I that when I was a really little kid, I would always ask her if she remembered when I was her mom. Chills. It is just, it is a thing I will never get over. And it really did. It's one of those things. That for me personally felt as large in terms of what it shifted as the times in my life that I've experienced something so miraculous or I've seen something so incredible out in nature that I'm like, yeah, there's more here. I've never had that experience really just for me as one human. And in that moment, I had it and you saw it. And I was like, is this really happening? And it just was, oh, it was so cool.
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Speaker 2: One of those moments that's like a marker.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there was a before and an after.
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Speaker 2: Well, what an honor to get to witness that and also have it documented. It's so special. Thank you. So cool.
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Speaker 1: That's cool.
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Speaker 2: What a feather in my cap.
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Speaker 1: I love it.
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Speaker 2: I get to say I'm in my friend's book. That's pretty great. I love it. Speaking of unique experiences when a friend of yours writes a memoir, it was so fun to read about people I know personally, like your chapter about Nia. And then even how you talk about meeting her for the first time, I picture, that's exactly how she talks. Like you so perfectly depicted just her entire essence. And I was just, it was just such a joy to see like an Angie Banneke or Nicole and Babs and Jed and all these people mentioned, how rare is it? to read someone's memoir and have like full context of the people mentioned. I was just like getting such a kick out of it. So that was really cool. So obviously the past lives of it all kind of, we'll put it in the category of woo proudly. Is there something like woo-woo or more kind of out there esoteric that you're into lately?
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Speaker 1: Oh man. Yeah. You know, I, am really fascinated by the etymology of words. You know, where do they come from? What do they really mean? Even when you consider the sort of enormous questions we're asking ourselves societally right now, especially about how we treat women. Women's circles are our sort of networks have been dismissed for so long. You know, they'll call a group of women that goes out to dinner gossips. Oh, don't go hang out with those gossips. You know, those girls, they're gossipy. The root of the word gossip literally comes from godship. It's like, imagine a sort of older world categorization for like a god sibling, someone who's been entrusted to protect you. Gossip was the way we protected each other for centuries. It's the way we spread medicine, information. It's the way that we rescued women from bad situations. And it was, you know, dismissed and shrunken. And I think for me, I'm very much in the space of Words carry energy. They carry roots that go back so far, we might not even know their history and what they really mean. So linguistics is science for me. And the hand it is shaking is the woo of words have an energy to them. And words are spells. You know, Rory talked about this in her book, that the way you speak about yourself is a spell. And so I'm really... I'm really looking into older traditions of women and magic and words and going, oh, this is about language and science. It's not something alternative or a cult even. It's been called that because they didn't want women to have the words. What's one of the first things they do when they try to take their rights away from women? They try to stop them from getting an education. Right. Whether it's the Taliban or the government currently defunding student loans for all these graduate level jobs that are mostly held by women, they don't want women to go to school. So I think one of the most important things we can do is know the power of our language. And so it's nerdy language study for me, but it also comes with some witchy stuff and now a word from our sponsors who make this show possible.
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Speaker 2: Also incredibly timely coming in at a point where your words are being brought out into the world yeah so there's like a really nice synchronicity with that too. Um, I love that. That's really cool.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about things you didn't include in the book because as your friend, there are a few things that I think that people should know. One, everyone should know that Sophia has an insane eye for interior design. And I don't know if people really know that about you.
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Speaker 1: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: But it's like, All of your spaces that you've created are so gorgeous.
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Speaker 1: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: To a level of like, it could be an alternate career. I've always thought.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I would love to have that sliding doors moment with my life and see what it might be if I were doing that for a living.
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Speaker 2: And then to that, number two is that you are... like a serious shopper. And I say that in like a celebratory way, complimentary, like going to a flea market with you is like an experience. You never leave empty handed. Like for me, you know me, I don't, Impulse by ever. Like I need to see something. I need to think about it for at least two weeks. See, think about how it fits into my life. I need to like, I'm really, and I think that it might have to do with like a square footage thing that I deal with in my own space because I don't have much. But I'm always like I can't ever. And then I but then I have regretful moments, especially in like a flea market situation. But you see you have an eye for it.
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Speaker 1: You see it.
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Speaker 2: It's coming with you. And so like I can I always have the best time when we do those things. And people should know that. That's like it's a skill.
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Speaker 1: I love it. But I am getting to the point where I'm like, what what am I doing? And part of it, I think, comes from I've had to live in so many places for work. I've had so many places and spaces in other states. And, you know, when you live across state lines in multiple places at the same time, you kind of lose track. And I really respond to the place that I live in terms of the way my home is put together, the style of the building, the style of the town, you know, whatever it is. And I... I've now sort of hit a point now that I've consolidated where I'm like, what am I going to do with all this shit? And one of my friends is like, I think you need like a Joanna Gaines style warehouse.
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Speaker 2: Probably.
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Speaker 1: And then people should shop it for their clients. And I was like, yeah, I might. I should just DM Joanna, honestly, and be like, hey, girl, I got to figure out what to do with all this stuff. I think you might want it.
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Speaker 2: I think you have a Martha Stewart style warehouse.
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Speaker 1: Sale.
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Speaker 2: Do you remember when she had her, that whole massive estate sale? No. It was a whole thing. She did? There was a TV show about it. She did a special.
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Speaker 1: Oh my God. Can we do that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I'd be so into it.
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Speaker 2: No, I mean.
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Speaker 1: I wonder what cool old estate home in LA that's like on the market or something would let us fill it up with tchotchkes and I always joke. I'm like, these are my treasures and tchotchkes. And Ash goes, you mean your trinkets and trash? And I'm like, listen.
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Speaker 2: You're like, well, one man's trash, another person's treasure. Okay?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's so funny.
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Speaker 2: But it's like a real, it's a real thing. Like you have, I mean, you have, not only do you have the eye for it, but you have quite the collection of And yeah, I think there's something to do there for sure. But I, as I was reading the book, I was like, oh, I wish she talked about that part of herself that's like has such great taste and like can walk in someplace and like really dial it in. Like that's a beautiful aspect.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. It's so nice to hear you say that. And also I just caught myself cringe because I'm like, ooh, I don't know that I would write about my own good taste. I think that would be hard for me. Right.
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Speaker 2: Sure.
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Speaker 1: But maybe I should figure out how. Maybe that's a problem. Maybe it's like I need to learn to accept a compliment. You will actually love this because you know my mom and our whole journey and how great she is. I was talking about this recently. It was probably, I say recently, not really, a couple of years ago when I, you know, burned my whole life to the ground. And I spent the summer going to flea markets with my mom. And I can't remember who came with us one day, if it was like Babs or Britt. A bunch of people met at the Rose Bowl and I was talking about like, oh yeah, you know, and this looks cool, but they should move this wall and windows should go here and da-da-da. And somebody was like, how do you know that? And my mom goes, oh, she's been like this since she was a little kid. And I said, really? And my mom goes, oh, she goes, Sophia, it used to be so embarrassing. We'd walk into somebody's house and here comes my six-year-old being like, your door is in the wrong place. I think your HVAC should actually, she goes, you knew terms for things and like beams and HVAC and all that. And I was just like, I did. I don't remember that, but I'm so sorry.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Our nine-year-old selves are who we are today, if we're lucky.
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Speaker 1: Truly.
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Speaker 2: My other thing, too, was just that, like, how fun you are to, like, have a party with.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. I love hosting. It's like, and maybe it's one of those things that is the byproduct of having a smaller family. Like, I love to have a house full of people. I mean, even like getting to throw your engagement party. I was like, this is the best day of my life. I love this day. Like just whether, whether it's a party for someone or it's our friends giving every year or whatever it is, it's like, I just love an excuse. to gather people and let them be in the same space and to hear everybody chattering and to, you know, see people sort of milling around and hugging each other. And I just love it. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I think we've, we've calmed down considerably, but there was a time where we, we had a lot of fun.
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Speaker 1: Oh my God. Oh to how fun things used to be. And I'm just like, man, before everything was on the internet all the time, like people had fun. You'd go out dancing. You'd like see where the night took you. It wasn't all so tight. And it was great.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great. Some of my best memories ever.
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Speaker 1: I do think to bring it back to her, not that we were invited, but I believe we could be. Hearing Nicole Kidman talk about how she'll put on a wig and go raving in Ibiza, I'm like, oh, that's just how we have to do it now. We're adults. Yeah. And we probably need a trip every year. And we'll, like, spend three days on the beach. And we'll spend three nights out dancing. And we'll go off and on.
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Speaker 2: Great.
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Speaker 1: And maybe that's the solution. Because I can't... You know, my life revolves around toddler schedules now, which I love. But it's like, I can't be out late.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: But if we planned a trip... We could get, yeah.
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Speaker 2: We reschedule our brains to be all in for that pocket of days. I'm so in.
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: I'm with you.
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Speaker 1: I'm into it. Yeah, absolutely. Because I'm not going to give up a dance party forever. But I just think we have to plan them well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, great. We ought to plan the next dance party. Okay. Now I want to ask you a question that I ask everyone on my show.
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Speaker 1: Ooh, I think I know what it is.
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Speaker 2: My show is called Too Niche, where we.
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Speaker 1: It's so good.
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Speaker 2: I say every topic is a thrill and nothing is too niche. And so what is a niche thing that you're into right now?
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Speaker 1: I am a person who carries my own salt with me everywhere I go. Not this giant tub of Maldon salt, but I keep these multiple... in kitchen storage. I keep the salt cellar full of Maldon salt. I mean, it's getting low. I need to refill it on the kitchen counter. And then I have the little, they almost look like mini sardine tins that you can pop the lid off of, of salt. One of them opened in my purse once, which was an absolute nightmare. So then, like from a fitting or something, I took one of those sort of oversized Ziploc bags that jewelry comes in, you know, the really thick ones. Yeah. And I put it in there. And then a couple of weeks later, I pulled it out of my purse at a lunch meeting and somebody's eyes like went really wide. And I was, I sort of was like, what? And I said, you know, do you want good salt? Cause you know, it's like Morton salt on the table. Gross. And they were like, oh my God, you just like pulled a baggie out of your purse. And I was like, first of all, the size of this would like, if there were drugs in here, it would kill an elephant. And secondly, like I'm an adult woman. What are we talking about? Who do you hang out with? That's like pulling whatever you're thinking this is out of a bag at a lunch meeting. Like, are people okay? And then I realized I probably need like a different purse solution for my salt.
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Speaker 2: I love that.
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Speaker 1: But that's my niche. A little, a niche.
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Speaker 2: Salt. Did you read, have you read the book Salt? About the history of salt?
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Speaker 1: I haven't. Should I?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: My husband, Joey, read it. So I, you know, when a partner reads something, you kind of get the recap.
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Speaker 1: You get the, you get the lesson.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And now a word from our wonderful sponsors. Wait, I want to know, because you focus on so many cool, quote unquote, niche things on your show. What's the niche thing you can't stop thinking about right now?
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm listening to this book that, so I've been really fascinated with and curious about how we got where we are with AI. Like, how did this all come to be? Because it feels very extreme at the moment. Yeah. So there's this book I'm listening to called The Nerd Reich that's like the history of how AI came to be and how fascism is tied into it. So I'm like very... tapped into this book right now.
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Speaker 1: Okay. I got to get into it.
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Speaker 2: There's so much that I don't know. It's one of those things that I, wow, there's worlds that I have no idea exist.
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Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
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Speaker 2: And happenings that I've been so out of touch with. So it's always fun to realize that. And then I also would say I've been in like deep closet clean out methodology. I need it.
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Speaker 1: I wish you, the way I wish you were here.
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Speaker 2: You know I'd come visit for that.
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Speaker 1: Oh my God. Honestly, right after the book tour, let's plan a trip.
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Speaker 2: I would love that because it brings me so much joy to do it for other people. To do it for myself is a bit of a challenge, but.
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Speaker 1: Yes, why is that? Because I can do it for other people too, but for myself, it's like I get overwhelmed, I panic, and then I sit down in the pile of clothes. And I get nothing done.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, stopping midway and wanting to give up is a necessary step within the process. I've come to find out. But it's been just really interesting, like taking things to sell. I use these trashy take back bags that I really like that recycle textiles that, you know, don't really have any resale value. Just then identifying the holes in my closet where I would like to fill in what I have an influx of what I can stop buying, no more jeans, little things like that. So I've been deep in it and that's been great. That's been very therapeutic.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I love that. I need that. I need a full overhaul. I need to book like a week and treat it like a job and try on everything and figure out. Let's do it. Let's do it. Great. I'm so in.
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Speaker 2: That sounds so fun. That sounds like my kind of time.
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Speaker 1: Also, you know, when you said this, I think the trashy bags are great just so textiles don't wind up in landfills. But where do you think is the proper frontier for the resale market now? Because to be clear, some of what doesn't suit me anymore is still fabulous. And I want somebody to have it. Just like I love shopping on a secondary market to find something that, you know, I have buyer's remorse about not buying five years ago and I'm still thinking about, and like every six months I search for it and, and figure out somebody's going to sell it at some point. I, I wonder how we keep the life cycles of things that are awesome, but not necessarily for us going for longer. So we need less new things.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's obviously there's the real, real there's whatnot. There's Depop, Poshmark, there's yard sales. You know, I've been, In a previous life, when we met, I had Closet Rich, which was my online resale clothing company where I sold basically stuff from stylists and PR people and actresses, really, like the stylist clients of the clothes they didn't want anonymously. That is sort of like my, like apparently I didn't like money back then because if I would have been like, this was Jessica Alba's bag, I could have, you know. Yeah. But the whole thing was that it.
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Speaker 1: Was, you know, discreet. Anonymous.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Which felt, which is like way more the vibe. But I just look back, oh my God, I was like too precious with it. I could have been like, could have moved some real product.
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Speaker 1: You're like, the vibe was chic, but the business model could have been a different thing.
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Speaker 2: As my dad always says to me, he's like, Elizabeth, you're really good at doing cool. You need to figure out like how to monetize the cool. Which I have. But when I was younger, he was like, you got to like Think in different terms.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That's a cool factor. Lastly, I know you end every show with this, so if you'll indulge me, what feels like a work in progress for you right now?
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Speaker 1: I think what feels like a work in progress is to feel as solid when I'm out in the world as with eyeballs or in an interview, to feel as solid as I feel in my life with my family, with my friends, to not be so thrown by other people's energy or opinions. I think there's something really interesting about and I've come across this, you know, with some people I really respect and also some other authors where when you really get through it, when you've really gotten to the top of the mountain, you know, or, or you've, you've had the big exorcism of your life and now you're sort of clearer or cleaner, you know, you've, you've done some major healing, the more healed you are, the more sensitive you are. And so it, It's a strange place to be where I feel so free and also so fragile. And I think that for a long time, I didn't feel anything at all. And so I'm really happy to be here, but I'm really working on not allowing the outside to penetrate in the way that what I choose to have inside of my world deserves to. That's a big work in progress.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow.
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Speaker 1: What's yours?
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Speaker 2: My work in progress. Huh. Well, you know, I think I'm constantly moving the goalposts on the career. So it's always going to be that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But I'm working on, you know, I lead these groups of people through the book, The Artist's Way. And I believe so much in that method. But I have been the past like year and a half been thinking about like, what's the Elizabeth caught method and like, what's something that, that speaks to where we are now as a culture and with technology and how people create and receive creativity. And like, maybe there's an experience that's like less of a lift because 12 weeks is a lot for people the way I host it. It's 13. So it's a big commitment. So what would be, what would that look like to get the same packing of a punch in terms of personal development and growth and connection with yourself? But like, that is like a new fun way to do it. Yeah. So that's a work in progress. I've just had like a constant notes in my phone and, you know, the ideas pop in and I'm getting, it's starting to take shape. You know, this idea came along while ago and it's like very slowly coming into being.
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Speaker 1: That's so exciting I want it I'm ready for I'm ready for that book.
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Speaker 2: We'll see I don't know but writing a book feels scary I think if I were ever to write a book it would be fiction and I know what it would be.
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Speaker 1: About so yeah Oh, we'll have to discuss.
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Speaker 2: I've had it in my head for quite a while.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: So it's an offline conversation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. That stays on the inside.
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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Exactly.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Oh, I love this. Me too.
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Speaker 2: So October 27th, the book comes out. Yeah. Mazel Tov on creating this thing. Like what an amazing accomplishment. And I just, as I said to you, Like, I just hope you're taking.
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Speaker 1: A moment.
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Speaker 2: To celebrate the birth of this creative project.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. It's definitely surreal and special. And it's something, you know, whether it's a book or whatever the personal project is, I really wish that all women, everyone really, but I think especially women, have the opportunity to have a project dedicated to self for a year of their life because it has been the greatest exercise to date for me on how to learn to take up space. I had to take up the space that filled a book.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you're writing a book. There's pages that need to be filled.
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Speaker 1: And it's... It's really miraculous. And God, it was so uncomfortable. And I think, not I think, I know, I hope that women that are coming after us are not as uncomfortable taking up the space of their own lives. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That it doesn't have to be something that needs to be learned or like yeah untaught and then retaught just like we can just come into the space with that and hold it as precious and move through the world that way yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah i mean the amount of shit i had to unlearn to then start learning all over again um was major and i i hope we can kind of shorten that process for all our pals that are following us down this pathway you know it's beautiful You're beautiful.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. What a joy.
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Speaker 1: Oh my God, I love this.
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Speaker 2: And thanks to your audience for letting me take over.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think I've ever had someone take over and I loved this. I was like, yeah, you do it.
Speaker 1: Hi, everyone. It's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. And we're back on Work in Progress with none other than Elizabeth Cott. Let's dive in and pull on all those threads from the first part of our conversation, shall we?
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Speaker 2: I'm curious. Yes. With the writing the book process, I heard you say on your episode of this very show that it was a very healing experience. Yeah. What was the most cathartic part of that?
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Speaker 1: Man, you know, I think, and this is something I've talked about a little bit, but I would venture plenty of people deal with this. When you do the work like you were talking about, when you work to... become a better version of yourself year over year, learn better tools, figure out how to have better conversations. There is work in that. And I think for people like me who really love a lot of information, I can figure out an experience I've had by understanding where it fits in the larger you know, realm of experience where I can go, well, X percent of women experience this. Okay, okay, that helps me. What I can also do is intellectualize my feelings more than I feel them. And I can say like, no, I figured this out and this is why. And yeah, that's cute, but how do you feel about it? And what was really interesting about so many segments of the book is they forced me to feel things that I certainly didn't want to Then in the beginning of the process, I was like, oh, come on. I've done it. I'm good. It's kind of masturbatory to go back and, you know, who gives a shit? And I was like, oh yeah, that's really, that's a coping mechanism. Okay. And I had to go back and feel through things. And then in writing about them, it was almost like an exorcism of sorts. They actually moved through me. They actually lost their sort of like, sticky coating on my insides. And, you know, I got like the gunk out of the pipes, if you will. And the craziest part then was there were sections of the book that I wrote that were searing and honest and true and evidenced ADHD again. And then I went, yeah, now it's out of me and I don't actually need it to be out in the world. So there were entire sections of the And began again. And that was a really profound experience for me because I realized this is actually the balance of the thing I struggle with. I am really proud of my work and I love what I do. And I'm proud to be an advocate. And I only get to be an advocate because I'm a public figure. And I also wish sometimes I could go out in a mask.
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Speaker 2: And.
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Speaker 1: I want to give everybody everything and I also want to have a private life. And in the strangest way, really giving everything for a book, I also learned how to keep some things for me. And I realized you can do that at the same time. It's just complex work.
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Speaker 2: That's really beautiful. What an amazing tunnel to move through.
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Speaker 1: Definitely like a rebirth yes a canal if you would so I.
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Speaker 2: Do want to talk about first of all I want to talk about one of the chapters in the book and I have to say what a surreal and flattering thing it is to make it into somebody's memoir like how special what a surprise that was.
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Speaker 1: I know I almost like wrote you a note about it and then I was like no I just wanted to flip the page and be surprised.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's also one of these really illuminating chapters in terms of your relationship with your mom. And do we want to kind of like tee up what that bit is about?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, again, and I realize I'm doing the thing where I intellectualize it a little bit and I'm admitting it. And here we are. This is... this is therapy and whatever, emotional overthinkers anonymous or something. I know a lot of people go through these sort of contraction and expansion periods with their family. And I think that's really human. Like sometimes your parents are your best friends and sometimes you want to, you know, jump out of a moving car when they're bothering you about something for the thousandth time and And I know so many of us have like interesting roads to walk with our families. And for me, I got to qualify an experience that I was having, I would say maybe 70% of the way through like a big journey that I was on with my parents. And I was in this complex place and I was, you know, studying psychology and looking at family systems and, you know, did all of this really intellectual work. And then also, like, went to see the healer and called somebody psychic. Like, why not? At this point, I just want somebody to tell me what feels true, wherever it comes from. The best idea always wins, as I used to always say on set. And... I had seen this really cool energy worker a bunch of our friends had seen at that point. And she said to me, you know, you're in this struggle because you came into this lifetime to be your mother's mother. But you are just a human that's alive in your lifetime and you want your mom to be your mom. And at first I was like, this, like, what does that even mean? And then interestingly enough, I, I started to really kind of understand the profundity of a matrilineal line and what we carry and what we inherit. And the fact that, you know, your DNA can literally be changed generations after a trauma. You know, if your grandmother went through something, it can change your presentation and your body now, that kind of stuff. And I was like, wait a second, maybe there's a place where like the woo-woo and the psych meet. And You and I were in the kitchen at Friendsgiving and I was telling you about this. And then this crazy past lives moment with my mom happened. And she said what she said to you and I.
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Speaker 2: And like, I remember clutching your wrist. I was like, oh.
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Speaker 1: I just was like, thank God I have a witness to this. Because this is happening. My mother... You know, I almost called it the TLDR, but I want you guys to read it because it is a beautiful story. But like my mother essentially, I mean, did say to Elizabeth and I that when I was a really little kid, I would always ask her if she remembered when I was her mom. Chills. It is just, it is a thing I will never get over. And it really did. It's one of those things. That for me personally felt as large in terms of what it shifted as the times in my life that I've experienced something so miraculous or I've seen something so incredible out in nature that I'm like, yeah, there's more here. I've never had that experience really just for me as one human. And in that moment, I had it and you saw it. And I was like, is this really happening? And it just was, oh, it was so cool.
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Speaker 2: One of those moments that's like a marker.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there was a before and an after.
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Speaker 2: Well, what an honor to get to witness that and also have it documented. It's so special. Thank you. So cool.
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Speaker 1: That's cool.
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Speaker 2: What a feather in my cap.
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Speaker 1: I love it.
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Speaker 2: I get to say I'm in my friend's book. That's pretty great. I love it. Speaking of unique experiences when a friend of yours writes a memoir, it was so fun to read about people I know personally, like your chapter about Nia. And then even how you talk about meeting her for the first time, I picture, that's exactly how she talks. Like you so perfectly depicted just her entire essence. And I was just, it was just such a joy to see like an Angie Banneke or Nicole and Babs and Jed and all these people mentioned, how rare is it? to read someone's memoir and have like full context of the people mentioned. I was just like getting such a kick out of it. So that was really cool. So obviously the past lives of it all kind of, we'll put it in the category of woo proudly. Is there something like woo-woo or more kind of out there esoteric that you're into lately?
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Speaker 1: Oh man. Yeah. You know, I, am really fascinated by the etymology of words. You know, where do they come from? What do they really mean? Even when you consider the sort of enormous questions we're asking ourselves societally right now, especially about how we treat women. Women's circles are our sort of networks have been dismissed for so long. You know, they'll call a group of women that goes out to dinner gossips. Oh, don't go hang out with those gossips. You know, those girls, they're gossipy. The root of the word gossip literally comes from godship. It's like, imagine a sort of older world categorization for like a god sibling, someone who's been entrusted to protect you. Gossip was the way we protected each other for centuries. It's the way we spread medicine, information. It's the way that we rescued women from bad situations. And it was, you know, dismissed and shrunken. And I think for me, I'm very much in the space of Words carry energy. They carry roots that go back so far, we might not even know their history and what they really mean. So linguistics is science for me. And the hand it is shaking is the woo of words have an energy to them. And words are spells. You know, Rory talked about this in her book, that the way you speak about yourself is a spell. And so I'm really... I'm really looking into older traditions of women and magic and words and going, oh, this is about language and science. It's not something alternative or a cult even. It's been called that because they didn't want women to have the words. What's one of the first things they do when they try to take their rights away from women? They try to stop them from getting an education. Right. Whether it's the Taliban or the government currently defunding student loans for all these graduate level jobs that are mostly held by women, they don't want women to go to school. So I think one of the most important things we can do is know the power of our language. And so it's nerdy language study for me, but it also comes with some witchy stuff and now a word from our sponsors who make this show possible.
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Speaker 2: Also incredibly timely coming in at a point where your words are being brought out into the world yeah so there's like a really nice synchronicity with that too. Um, I love that. That's really cool.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about things you didn't include in the book because as your friend, there are a few things that I think that people should know. One, everyone should know that Sophia has an insane eye for interior design. And I don't know if people really know that about you.
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Speaker 1: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: But it's like, All of your spaces that you've created are so gorgeous.
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Speaker 1: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: To a level of like, it could be an alternate career. I've always thought.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I would love to have that sliding doors moment with my life and see what it might be if I were doing that for a living.
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Speaker 2: And then to that, number two is that you are... like a serious shopper. And I say that in like a celebratory way, complimentary, like going to a flea market with you is like an experience. You never leave empty handed. Like for me, you know me, I don't, Impulse by ever. Like I need to see something. I need to think about it for at least two weeks. See, think about how it fits into my life. I need to like, I'm really, and I think that it might have to do with like a square footage thing that I deal with in my own space because I don't have much. But I'm always like I can't ever. And then I but then I have regretful moments, especially in like a flea market situation. But you see you have an eye for it.
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Speaker 1: You see it.
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Speaker 2: It's coming with you. And so like I can I always have the best time when we do those things. And people should know that. That's like it's a skill.
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Speaker 1: I love it. But I am getting to the point where I'm like, what what am I doing? And part of it, I think, comes from I've had to live in so many places for work. I've had so many places and spaces in other states. And, you know, when you live across state lines in multiple places at the same time, you kind of lose track. And I really respond to the place that I live in terms of the way my home is put together, the style of the building, the style of the town, you know, whatever it is. And I... I've now sort of hit a point now that I've consolidated where I'm like, what am I going to do with all this shit? And one of my friends is like, I think you need like a Joanna Gaines style warehouse.
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Speaker 2: Probably.
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Speaker 1: And then people should shop it for their clients. And I was like, yeah, I might. I should just DM Joanna, honestly, and be like, hey, girl, I got to figure out what to do with all this stuff. I think you might want it.
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Speaker 2: I think you have a Martha Stewart style warehouse.
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Speaker 1: Sale.
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Speaker 2: Do you remember when she had her, that whole massive estate sale? No. It was a whole thing. She did? There was a TV show about it. She did a special.
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Speaker 1: Oh my God. Can we do that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I'd be so into it.
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Speaker 2: No, I mean.
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Speaker 1: I wonder what cool old estate home in LA that's like on the market or something would let us fill it up with tchotchkes and I always joke. I'm like, these are my treasures and tchotchkes. And Ash goes, you mean your trinkets and trash? And I'm like, listen.
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Speaker 2: You're like, well, one man's trash, another person's treasure. Okay?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's so funny.
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Speaker 2: But it's like a real, it's a real thing. Like you have, I mean, you have, not only do you have the eye for it, but you have quite the collection of And yeah, I think there's something to do there for sure. But I, as I was reading the book, I was like, oh, I wish she talked about that part of herself that's like has such great taste and like can walk in someplace and like really dial it in. Like that's a beautiful aspect.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. It's so nice to hear you say that. And also I just caught myself cringe because I'm like, ooh, I don't know that I would write about my own good taste. I think that would be hard for me. Right.
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Speaker 2: Sure.
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Speaker 1: But maybe I should figure out how. Maybe that's a problem. Maybe it's like I need to learn to accept a compliment. You will actually love this because you know my mom and our whole journey and how great she is. I was talking about this recently. It was probably, I say recently, not really, a couple of years ago when I, you know, burned my whole life to the ground. And I spent the summer going to flea markets with my mom. And I can't remember who came with us one day, if it was like Babs or Britt. A bunch of people met at the Rose Bowl and I was talking about like, oh yeah, you know, and this looks cool, but they should move this wall and windows should go here and da-da-da. And somebody was like, how do you know that? And my mom goes, oh, she's been like this since she was a little kid. And I said, really? And my mom goes, oh, she goes, Sophia, it used to be so embarrassing. We'd walk into somebody's house and here comes my six-year-old being like, your door is in the wrong place. I think your HVAC should actually, she goes, you knew terms for things and like beams and HVAC and all that. And I was just like, I did. I don't remember that, but I'm so sorry.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Our nine-year-old selves are who we are today, if we're lucky.
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Speaker 1: Truly.
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Speaker 2: My other thing, too, was just that, like, how fun you are to, like, have a party with.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. I love hosting. It's like, and maybe it's one of those things that is the byproduct of having a smaller family. Like, I love to have a house full of people. I mean, even like getting to throw your engagement party. I was like, this is the best day of my life. I love this day. Like just whether, whether it's a party for someone or it's our friends giving every year or whatever it is, it's like, I just love an excuse. to gather people and let them be in the same space and to hear everybody chattering and to, you know, see people sort of milling around and hugging each other. And I just love it. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I think we've, we've calmed down considerably, but there was a time where we, we had a lot of fun.
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Speaker 1: Oh my God. Oh to how fun things used to be. And I'm just like, man, before everything was on the internet all the time, like people had fun. You'd go out dancing. You'd like see where the night took you. It wasn't all so tight. And it was great.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great. Some of my best memories ever.
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Speaker 1: I do think to bring it back to her, not that we were invited, but I believe we could be. Hearing Nicole Kidman talk about how she'll put on a wig and go raving in Ibiza, I'm like, oh, that's just how we have to do it now. We're adults. Yeah. And we probably need a trip every year. And we'll, like, spend three days on the beach. And we'll spend three nights out dancing. And we'll go off and on.
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Speaker 2: Great.
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Speaker 1: And maybe that's the solution. Because I can't... You know, my life revolves around toddler schedules now, which I love. But it's like, I can't be out late.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: But if we planned a trip... We could get, yeah.
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Speaker 2: We reschedule our brains to be all in for that pocket of days. I'm so in.
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: I'm with you.
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Speaker 1: I'm into it. Yeah, absolutely. Because I'm not going to give up a dance party forever. But I just think we have to plan them well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, great. We ought to plan the next dance party. Okay. Now I want to ask you a question that I ask everyone on my show.
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Speaker 1: Ooh, I think I know what it is.
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Speaker 2: My show is called Too Niche, where we.
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Speaker 1: It's so good.
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Speaker 2: I say every topic is a thrill and nothing is too niche. And so what is a niche thing that you're into right now?
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Speaker 1: I am a person who carries my own salt with me everywhere I go. Not this giant tub of Maldon salt, but I keep these multiple... in kitchen storage. I keep the salt cellar full of Maldon salt. I mean, it's getting low. I need to refill it on the kitchen counter. And then I have the little, they almost look like mini sardine tins that you can pop the lid off of, of salt. One of them opened in my purse once, which was an absolute nightmare. So then, like from a fitting or something, I took one of those sort of oversized Ziploc bags that jewelry comes in, you know, the really thick ones. Yeah. And I put it in there. And then a couple of weeks later, I pulled it out of my purse at a lunch meeting and somebody's eyes like went really wide. And I was, I sort of was like, what? And I said, you know, do you want good salt? Cause you know, it's like Morton salt on the table. Gross. And they were like, oh my God, you just like pulled a baggie out of your purse. And I was like, first of all, the size of this would like, if there were drugs in here, it would kill an elephant. And secondly, like I'm an adult woman. What are we talking about? Who do you hang out with? That's like pulling whatever you're thinking this is out of a bag at a lunch meeting. Like, are people okay? And then I realized I probably need like a different purse solution for my salt.
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Speaker 2: I love that.
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Speaker 1: But that's my niche. A little, a niche.
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Speaker 2: Salt. Did you read, have you read the book Salt? About the history of salt?
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Speaker 1: I haven't. Should I?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: My husband, Joey, read it. So I, you know, when a partner reads something, you kind of get the recap.
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Speaker 1: You get the, you get the lesson.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:55
Speaker 1: And now a word from our wonderful sponsors. Wait, I want to know, because you focus on so many cool, quote unquote, niche things on your show. What's the niche thing you can't stop thinking about right now?
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm listening to this book that, so I've been really fascinated with and curious about how we got where we are with AI. Like, how did this all come to be? Because it feels very extreme at the moment. Yeah. So there's this book I'm listening to called The Nerd Reich that's like the history of how AI came to be and how fascism is tied into it. So I'm like very... tapped into this book right now.
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Speaker 1: Okay. I got to get into it.
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Speaker 2: There's so much that I don't know. It's one of those things that I, wow, there's worlds that I have no idea exist.
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Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
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Speaker 2: And happenings that I've been so out of touch with. So it's always fun to realize that. And then I also would say I've been in like deep closet clean out methodology. I need it.
00:24:15
Speaker 1: I wish you, the way I wish you were here.
00:24:19
Speaker 2: You know I'd come visit for that.
00:24:20
Speaker 1: Oh my God. Honestly, right after the book tour, let's plan a trip.
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Speaker 2: I would love that because it brings me so much joy to do it for other people. To do it for myself is a bit of a challenge, but.
00:24:31
Speaker 1: Yes, why is that? Because I can do it for other people too, but for myself, it's like I get overwhelmed, I panic, and then I sit down in the pile of clothes. And I get nothing done.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, stopping midway and wanting to give up is a necessary step within the process. I've come to find out. But it's been just really interesting, like taking things to sell. I use these trashy take back bags that I really like that recycle textiles that, you know, don't really have any resale value. Just then identifying the holes in my closet where I would like to fill in what I have an influx of what I can stop buying, no more jeans, little things like that. So I've been deep in it and that's been great. That's been very therapeutic.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I love that. I need that. I need a full overhaul. I need to book like a week and treat it like a job and try on everything and figure out. Let's do it. Let's do it. Great. I'm so in.
00:25:35
Speaker 2: That sounds so fun. That sounds like my kind of time.
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Speaker 1: Also, you know, when you said this, I think the trashy bags are great just so textiles don't wind up in landfills. But where do you think is the proper frontier for the resale market now? Because to be clear, some of what doesn't suit me anymore is still fabulous. And I want somebody to have it. Just like I love shopping on a secondary market to find something that, you know, I have buyer's remorse about not buying five years ago and I'm still thinking about, and like every six months I search for it and, and figure out somebody's going to sell it at some point. I, I wonder how we keep the life cycles of things that are awesome, but not necessarily for us going for longer. So we need less new things.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's obviously there's the real, real there's whatnot. There's Depop, Poshmark, there's yard sales. You know, I've been, In a previous life, when we met, I had Closet Rich, which was my online resale clothing company where I sold basically stuff from stylists and PR people and actresses, really, like the stylist clients of the clothes they didn't want anonymously. That is sort of like my, like apparently I didn't like money back then because if I would have been like, this was Jessica Alba's bag, I could have, you know. Yeah. But the whole thing was that it.
00:27:02
Speaker 1: Was, you know, discreet. Anonymous.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Which felt, which is like way more the vibe. But I just look back, oh my God, I was like too precious with it. I could have been like, could have moved some real product.
00:27:13
Speaker 1: You're like, the vibe was chic, but the business model could have been a different thing.
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Speaker 2: As my dad always says to me, he's like, Elizabeth, you're really good at doing cool. You need to figure out like how to monetize the cool. Which I have. But when I was younger, he was like, you got to like Think in different terms.
00:27:32
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:27:33
Speaker 2: That's a cool factor. Lastly, I know you end every show with this, so if you'll indulge me, what feels like a work in progress for you right now?
00:27:48
Speaker 1: I think what feels like a work in progress is to feel as solid when I'm out in the world as with eyeballs or in an interview, to feel as solid as I feel in my life with my family, with my friends, to not be so thrown by other people's energy or opinions. I think there's something really interesting about and I've come across this, you know, with some people I really respect and also some other authors where when you really get through it, when you've really gotten to the top of the mountain, you know, or, or you've, you've had the big exorcism of your life and now you're sort of clearer or cleaner, you know, you've, you've done some major healing, the more healed you are, the more sensitive you are. And so it, It's a strange place to be where I feel so free and also so fragile. And I think that for a long time, I didn't feel anything at all. And so I'm really happy to be here, but I'm really working on not allowing the outside to penetrate in the way that what I choose to have inside of my world deserves to. That's a big work in progress.
00:29:26
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow.
00:29:28
Speaker 1: What's yours?
00:29:29
Speaker 2: My work in progress. Huh. Well, you know, I think I'm constantly moving the goalposts on the career. So it's always going to be that.
00:29:41
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:29:44
Speaker 2: But I'm working on, you know, I lead these groups of people through the book, The Artist's Way. And I believe so much in that method. But I have been the past like year and a half been thinking about like, what's the Elizabeth caught method and like, what's something that, that speaks to where we are now as a culture and with technology and how people create and receive creativity. And like, maybe there's an experience that's like less of a lift because 12 weeks is a lot for people the way I host it. It's 13. So it's a big commitment. So what would be, what would that look like to get the same packing of a punch in terms of personal development and growth and connection with yourself? But like, that is like a new fun way to do it. Yeah. So that's a work in progress. I've just had like a constant notes in my phone and, you know, the ideas pop in and I'm getting, it's starting to take shape. You know, this idea came along while ago and it's like very slowly coming into being.
00:30:58
Speaker 1: That's so exciting I want it I'm ready for I'm ready for that book.
00:31:03
Speaker 2: We'll see I don't know but writing a book feels scary I think if I were ever to write a book it would be fiction and I know what it would be.
00:31:11
Speaker 1: About so yeah Oh, we'll have to discuss.
00:31:15
Speaker 2: I've had it in my head for quite a while.
00:31:16
Speaker 1: Okay.
00:31:18
Speaker 2: So it's an offline conversation.
00:31:20
Speaker 1: Yeah. That stays on the inside.
00:31:23
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Exactly.
00:31:25
Speaker 1: Okay. Oh, I love this. Me too.
00:31:29
Speaker 2: So October 27th, the book comes out. Yeah. Mazel Tov on creating this thing. Like what an amazing accomplishment. And I just, as I said to you, Like, I just hope you're taking.
00:31:45
Speaker 1: A moment.
00:31:48
Speaker 2: To celebrate the birth of this creative project.
00:31:52
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's definitely surreal and special. And it's something, you know, whether it's a book or whatever the personal project is, I really wish that all women, everyone really, but I think especially women, have the opportunity to have a project dedicated to self for a year of their life because it has been the greatest exercise to date for me on how to learn to take up space. I had to take up the space that filled a book.
00:32:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you're writing a book. There's pages that need to be filled.
00:32:41
Speaker 1: And it's... It's really miraculous. And God, it was so uncomfortable. And I think, not I think, I know, I hope that women that are coming after us are not as uncomfortable taking up the space of their own lives. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That it doesn't have to be something that needs to be learned or like yeah untaught and then retaught just like we can just come into the space with that and hold it as precious and move through the world that way yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah i mean the amount of shit i had to unlearn to then start learning all over again um was major and i i hope we can kind of shorten that process for all our pals that are following us down this pathway you know it's beautiful You're beautiful.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. What a joy.
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Speaker 1: Oh my God, I love this.
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Speaker 2: And thanks to your audience for letting me take over.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think I've ever had someone take over and I loved this. I was like, yeah, you do it.
