Rylend Grant – Making Evel Knievel Comics & Indie Films

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Hey, everybody, it's word Balloon. The Comic Book Conversation Show
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John Centrist here Ryland Grant on the show last night.
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Ryland has been on the show before talking about his
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half evil comics that he puts out his creator own
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books over the years, and right now is in the
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midst of a really neat Kickstarter campaign. He has made
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a deal to do an authorized comic about Evil Canevil,
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the fantastic Daredevil of the seventies and eighties, a real
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American folk hero, an incredible American success story and a
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very very risky arravel that literally would put his ass
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on the line for every motorcycle jump he ever did.
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And the guy really had a spectacular, very long career
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going from the sixties to the eighties. Well, I think
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that's a great idea to make a comic book about that.
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He and Dave a Costa are running a Kickstarter campaign
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currently to fund the book, and it still has about
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three weeks left, and it deserves your interest, and that's
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why we're doing this talk. Are also talking a bit
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about the couple movies that Rylan has made over the
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years and just the environment of TV today. We even
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get into a little Jimmy Kimmel talk. Here's a little
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head start. I was against Disney taking him off the air,
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and I'm happy to explain why in this conversation with
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com slash word Balloon. John stuartris with you. Happy to
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welcome Ryland Grant back to Word Balloon. Good to see you, right,
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good to see you. We got a very fun kickstarter
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campaign that I'm excited to talk about.
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Evil Yeah, not wrong with that, right, yeah, talk to me.
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So yeah, this how did this happen? Is a great
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It's a great question. It's a great place to start.
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I mean, you know, well started.
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Doing the comic books, you know, six.
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Or seven years ago, and you write a few good books,
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and the people start asking you what you want to write,
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you know, and everyone assumes that when they're like, hey,
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what you know, what you know? What is your dream project?
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What do you want to write? Everybody assumes you're gonna say, oh,
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I wanted to write Superman since I was a kid.
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I wanted to write Iron Man, you know.
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Since I was ten and I tripped over this comic
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book that just wasn't me. And you know, part of
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part of the math was that I was for a
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very long time. I mean, my day job is I
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write movies and TV shows, and so for a very
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long time, I was so busy that I kind of
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couldn't take a lot of these gigs. You know, when
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when an editor would come to me and be like, hey,
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do you want to do I don't want to name names,
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but it's like, do you want to do you know,
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a short arc on Property X? And the answer would
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just always be no, I'm I you know, I'm sorry,
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thanks for thinking of me, but but no, and and that,
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you know, those for two reasons. One was because I
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maybe didn't have.
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The bandwidth at that point.
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I was doing my own comics and I was written,
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you know, the film and the TV stuff.
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But uh, you know.
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More than that, I think that I wasn't gonna take
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something unless I was the guy to take it. And
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so it was I think the third time that a
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really good editor, an editor that I respected, came and said, hey,
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we would like to get you on something. Do you
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want to do this one shot, and and again I
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was like, no, you know, thanks for thinking to me,
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keep thinking of me, but but no. And then finally
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he's like, man, well, what do you want to write?
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You know, sooner or later you're gonna have to figure
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it out. And part of it was that. Part of
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it was that film and TV has slowed down for
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obvious reasons. We can get into that if you want
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to later, but well, but but but at some point,
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you know this, This challenged me and I had to
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sit down and figure out what I wanted to write.
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And so I did sit down, and I made a
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list of about ten, you know, ten characters, ten properties
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that I was really excited about, and too many of
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them did not have a presence in comic books. And
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right at the top of the list was Evil Caniebel
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and Evil Caniebel is. The beauty of Evil Canevel is
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that he is this real life superhero. He actually did it.
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You know, he was actually a wild man. He strapped
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himself to a motorcycle and flew like Superman. He could
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leap tall buildings in a single bound. And I got
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really excited about it. And I had always been a
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fan and and I a friend of a friend knew
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Kelly Knebel, who is Evil Caniebel's son and the brand owner,
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and put us in touch. And Kelly and I went
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back and forth for a couple of months and I
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don't know, you know, we kind of hit it off.
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He's he's my kind of guy, and I think I'm
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his kind of guy. And we bonded over kind of
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grown up where we grew up and grown up how
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we grew up, and we found a way forward on it.
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And I'm I don't know, I'm.
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Excited, understood, well, you know, I'm I'm an O G.
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Evil fan. I mean, I remember the comic book days
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when the back cover was this very thing. Actually there
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have been others as well. And it's funny because even
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Jeremy here, who wants to comment, says Carrieus about the
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project Evil can Evil Jump Snake River on my fourth
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birthday and I still vividly remember it one of my
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earliest memories. In fact, people, you can likely still watch
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the coverage of Snake River with Howard Cosell play by
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play on YouTube. Now I was again, I was that
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age man, I was I think the same age as
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Jeremy around eight or nine years old when it happened.
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But you're you know, you're much younger. So what was
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your first awareness of Evil can Eel?
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Yeah, it's funny. I was not alive when he was jumping,
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but he was ever present, you know.
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And well, no.
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Excuse me, Ryland howse so because again truly, yeah, I
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beyond the documentary that I know they made it a
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couple of years ago. I really don't know, like in
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the eighties or nineties. Once he stopped, you know, he
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kind of went away. So again, where did that awareness
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for you come from? Yeah?
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Well he never went away where I grew up at least.
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I grew up in Detroit, and I grew up in
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a bar. Oddly enough, my dad ran bars and clubs
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my whole life, and so it was, you know, it
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was kind of like the working man's Detroit Cheers was
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where I grew up, you know, wood panel walls and
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just guys who would like work working out of line
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all day and then go work a stool at night.
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And and so I watched Evil jump. That was not
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Evil Live, but but it was. But well, I was
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growing up. ABC Wide World of Sports was still on,
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and here's the thing is like evil. Evil you know,
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still has seven of the top ten ABC Wild White
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Boldts programs. When he jumped at King's Island and and
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and broke the world record, that was after he crashes
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at Wembley trying to jump thirteen buses and then he
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retires two days later he says, I'm going to jump again,
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and this time I'm going to jump fourteen buses. And
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then that was King's Island. And at that point four
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years that was the highest rated program in the history
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of television, like higher than any super Bowl, higher than
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you know, then whatever. And so while I was growing up,
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they would they replayed the hell out of those things,
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and so and so I would be in this I
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would be in this bar and you know, on a
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Saturday afternoon or whatever, and and he would be on
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and there was this thing that happened where you know,
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these guys were you know again there these are drinking hard,
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drinking root and touting, you know as kicking you know,
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sons of bitches. And and they did not they did
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not stop, They did not shut up for anything or anyone.
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You know, if this Super Bowl was on, these guys
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would talk through it and just motormouth and motormouth and motormouth.
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But man, when Evil was on the TV, they would
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shut the hell up. You could hear a pin drop
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in this place. It was it was amazing, and I
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was just I just it just did not compute to me.
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It's like, what's going on? And they they knew, they
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had seen these jumps before they knew what happened. It's like, oh,
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it's someone where he did this, So it's someone where
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he did that. And but man, they would watch it
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on the edge of their seats like it was, you know,
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two minutes left game winning driving the Super Bowl. They
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would watch this stuff. And so there was that. The
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other thing that happened in the bar was that these
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guys did not they did not give respect easily. They
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did not fear anyone, and Evil was immediately handed it.
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And he wasn't handed it. He earned it every time
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he jumped. I guess, but it was like, but you know,
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you would get I had. I grew up with like
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fifty uncles. All these guys were uncles, and they all
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tried to teach me something, and they and they'd be like,
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you know, hey, kid, like pop up on the stool
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next to me when I was you know, I'm eight
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years old and I'm at a bar pop up, you know,
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next next to me at the bar, and they would
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they would say like, this is this is the measure
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of a man, right, Uh, this is what a man
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does and and and this is this is what you
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need to be like and this is you know, this
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is courage, and this is.
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You know, uh, this.
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Is just what we aspire to. And it was like
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these weren't these weren't guys that feared anyone, uh, but man,
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they would you know, they would hand fear over to
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this guy there was, you know, there's the guy at
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the bar, Gary that nobody would fight Gary, but Gary
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wouldn't fight evil and evil you know. And and man,
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does that stick with you when you're growing up? It
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was just so formative and so and so it was
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constantly he was constantly the measure of masculinity and a
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man and all of that stuff, for better and for worse.
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And so it was very soon after that when I
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was ten, I started racing BMX bikes competitively and I
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was I was sponsored. I was on a GT Dino
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racing team and traveled all around and and you know,
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and and whatever I could jump over on my bicycle,
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I did, and and that would shout Evil canieval Well
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was doing it. And it was funny because one of
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the first things that Kelly, Kelly Canevel and I I
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had the whole we announced the project at a big
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panel at San Diego Comic Con. We had the whole
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can Evil family in town. They were on stage with us.
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We spent the weekend with them and was wonderful. But
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one of the first things Kelly and I did was
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we got together and we compared scars because his dad
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had him on a dirt bike, wanted him to follow
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in his footsteps right off the bat, and ended up
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being Robbie that did it right.
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I knew there was in your devil brother Robbie, obviously,
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but keep going yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, And and Robbie, you know, Robbie was jumping
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on the right bikes. Robbie was the one that ended
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up breaking all his dad's records and whatnot. But and
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and what what what what? What Evil was fond of
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saying was that Robbie got his Robbie got Evils balls,
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and Kelly got his dad's brains. Uh so, and so Kelly,
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Kelly got in the I can broke all the records,
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and Robbie did. And then Kelly was the businessman who
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again now runs the brand and is doing things so
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so kill. But but when Kelly was a kid, his
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dad had him on a dirt bike jumping over things,
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and so he's got this scar and that scar. And
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San Diego comic com being like, well I got this
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one on my shoulder because of this, and I got
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this one on my leg and so so yeah, I
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mean he was he was the guy I emulated when
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All right, that makes sense. There you go, man. And
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of course now I knew about your your skateboard career.
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I didn't know about your BMX career. But it makes
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But and I and obviously I'll show images from the campaign,
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which still has around two weeks left.
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I think we're three weeks. Yeah, we went to like
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twenty three days.
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well here, yeah, I mean, as well bring up the
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uh the page right there there it is everybody and
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uh so there's a video. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, right,
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I would have recorded the video, but uh yeah, yeah,
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I was busy this afternoon. But you can see it everybody,
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and Kelly is in the video as well. Uh yeah,
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you go ahead.
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Yeah, I was gonna say a lot yeah, yeah, like
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a lot from you know, a lot from the Knieval family,
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from Kelly and uh. And then we also have been
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working pretty closely with the Evil Knievel Museum, uh, with
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a guy named Joe Pennington who's a partner there, and
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they have been very helpful and uh, what a wonderful
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place they are in the they're in the throws right
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now of moving from a spot in Kansas to a
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spot on Fremont Street in Las Vegas, which is makes sense,
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gonna be a wonderful place. They's had like a massive
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facility and they're moving everything down there, and so they're
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A grand reopening and you know, we're doing it.
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Wow, that's that's going to be like the old Liberachi Museum,
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for God's sake, in terms of the iconography between Evil
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and Robbie that you can have in a place like that.
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and it's a perfect place. It's a perfect place for
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a lot of that stuff. I remember. I remember talking
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with like a really he was like a sports media
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consultant who was just one of the smarter people I'd
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ever seen in my life. And people will corner them.
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And I remember him talking with the Baseball Hall of
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and they're like, you know, hey, we're having some issues
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with attendance, Like do you think you could take a
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look at things and and let us know if there's something.
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He's like, I can tell you what you need to
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do right now. He's like, pack up, move to Vegas
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and you'll and you know, and you'll have you'll have
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one hundred times more people to there every.
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I've even been down there in my sport days during
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the dead period of sports, those weeks during Christmas before
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the Bowl games really kick up mid December, and yeah, man,
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no Vegas is still a rocking so yeah, and tons
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of tourists.
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Awesome, and it's like you Sai I mean it's like
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the guy is like Liberaci, you know, like Elvis, like Frank, yeah.
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Here from your from your website or if i'll if
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Sam jumping over the fountain at Caesar's back in the
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day and one of his first really big national stunts
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and everything that really got him awareness, as I.
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Reckon, yeah, yeah, that was the thing that made him.
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And uh, and so that's what we do with the
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you know, the the the original that the original take,
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the original pitch to to Kelly Knievel was like, well,
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let's make him an adventurer, right, you know, there's he's
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going to be a comic book hero, so let's make
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him an adventurer. And it's not sure, It's not without precedent.
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There was a there was a Sam Elliott pilot back
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in the seventies where basically Evil's traveling around with his
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his stunt show. He rolls into town. Uh, you know
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there's there's some there, you know, there's some some fitted
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hooliganism that is, you know, set upon the town and
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Evil has to knock out the bad guys you know
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by the local showers.
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Yeah I saw, yeah, yeah, and also.
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The George Hamilton movie as well, and of course the
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the one. As Dog points out Evil's own movie, Viva
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can Evel I believe, where he acted with Lauren Hutton
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and Gene Kelly. Right.
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Well, so the the the George Hamilton movie was just
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a straight biography, but Viva can Eeveel is a great
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example of what I'm talking about, where Viva Knievel was
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making him an adventurer. I mean, so yeah, Viva Canel
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playing himself. Uh in what is like? You know, it's
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it's this grimy seventies movie in a really great way,
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almost like a Rockford Files episode. But Leslie Neil, Leslie
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Nielsen plays like a slimy, you know, corporate guy who's
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actually running drugs and he's trying. He tricks Evil into
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doing jumps down in Mexico so he can run drugs back,
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you know, in his caravan and again Evil Evil asked,
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and I got the bad guy's bed, Lauren Hutton and
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and uh and you know, bring toys to orphans.
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It was.
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It was awesome in its own way. It has its worts,
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but I love it and so sure, and so the
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idea is to kind of do something like that and
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and uh and you know, my first question to the
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Kelly is like, well, what is evils?
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You know, what is his no country for old men?
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What is his.
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Uh uh smoking the bandit, you know that sort of thing.
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And uh, that's two very different things. He said, well,
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well totally, those are very different things. Yeah, and so
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but but well with people, it's got it's got to
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be fun. But it was like, but but that was
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the beginning of the discussion, is right right, Like what
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sort of what sort of adventure is he going to have?
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But then the more we started talking about it, and
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the more I'm talking to the museum, and the more
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that I started talking with fans, like you know, again,
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like we right off the bat, we got to oh,
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I remember him jumping this. I remember him jumping that.
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And it's like that was what we kept getting and
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we realized that, like, well, people want to see the
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actual history, right.
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And and and so.
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So if you go to see Journey uh in concert,
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if you go to see Bonjob, if you go to
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see Chicago, you want to hear the hits. You don't
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want to hear the stuff from the new album necessarily.
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So we realized, well, uh.
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We should weaponize the new history. And it's twofold because
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he got guys like us who actually grew up watching him,
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who want to see that stuff. But then he got
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all these young comic book fans who have no idea.
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They've heard of them, but they don't really know the history.
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And so we can teach them the history. We can
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teach him why he's awesome. And so this first arc
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there is an adventure in it, but it is set
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against the backdrop of the actual history. And so we
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start in issue one with the Caesars Palace jump and
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then we end uh. Issue for this first arc ends
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at Snake Laver Canyon, uh and with him in the rocket,
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and we hit all of these kind of hotspots in between.
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And the idea is the antagonist is an outlaw motorcycle
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club historically evil uh you know, both rhetorically and physically
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clashed with the outlaw motorcycle clubs. He sort of set
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himself up as like the anti you know, motorcycle hoodlum Yeah, basically.
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Like anti Hell's Angels and some of the others.
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Okay, yeah, especially he actually physically brawled at the Hell's
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Angels at the Kyle Palace in San Francisco and the
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Wow in the early seventies, and and the and the
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Hell's Angels ended up having to be the security at
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at the Snake River Canyon thing when all helped with loose.
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Snake River Canyon is an amazing story if you look
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it up, like it was Woodstock ninety nine before Woodstock
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ninety nine, like decades before and right in the wake
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of Altamont was breaking loose, and they have to go
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to the Angel. They have to go to the Hell's
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Angels and be like, hey, can you be security? And
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they brought order to everything. A lot of people, a
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lot of people don't know that is that the Hell's Angel.
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Specially Yeah, there is a couple of years in between
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Altamont and Snake River, but still recent enough that yeah,
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I mean seventy like am I right, wait a minute,
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really really because again you'll forgive me, but seven and
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then also it is a conversation seventy three right for
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Snake River or seventy four, and and and ultimate was
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like seventy or seventy one, I believe, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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so now yeah again, sorry, man, you'll forgive me. That's
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this nerd brain, you know, how it is.
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Go ahead, no, no, you know, absolutely, but but but you know,
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in the eyes of the public, I mean, we we
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live in such a such an saturated Yeah.
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Absolutely it was. It was recent enough under I give
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you that. Absolutely, yeah, go ahead. So, I mean that
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was the taste in everyone's mouth. But well, sure that
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was the rep of the Hell's Angels at that moment,
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you know. And yeah, they didn't rub it off, but
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they they never rubbed it off. But yeah, it's a
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long it's a long cry from Chuck Sito showing up
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on Howard Stern with his Hell's Angel story. So I
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get what you're saying, who I also met in Vegas,
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but go ahead, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, So I mean, uh, we
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decided to honor the actual history, like the you know,
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the you know guys that us will show up and
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they'll get the greatest kits help them, but they'll also get,
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you know, something new and something interesting and something very
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distinctly evil, and and then the new people will learn
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how and why this guy is just the baddest.
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Mouthful low down in any town. You know, I'm with you. No,
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And here let's show some art from the Kickstarter page
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that is likely going to be part of the uh
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you know obviously in the book.
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Dave Costa, y yeah, Dave Acosta great yeah. And Dave
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a Costa is best known for you know, doing uh,
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you know the Elvira books that dynamite right now. And
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he's just he's a he's a wizard with the you know,
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with the likenesses uh very much. She's really good with
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mood and all of these things. But then also yuh,
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he gets it in general. I mean, he loves doing Elvira.
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It's tons of fun for him, and he wouldn't give
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it up for anything.
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Uh.
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His general style is more actiony.
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And kinetic, and so he is getting to.
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Have some fun with us.
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So that's great. Here another comment from Don Don says,
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because Don earlier in the conversation said that Evil used
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to come to Arty Arty G's in the eighties. That's
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a Chicago bar. We watched v Evel uh together one night,
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and then he said he landed in the Dunes parking
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lot after the bike hit three times. He said they
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didn't pay for the appearance. Jesus God. I remember. I
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think it was the London one with the double decker
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buses where Wembley and he spilled, but he got up
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and he addressed the audience and then he passed out. Basically,
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was that the event where that happened.
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Yeah, well so so not the only time that happened,
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but it most famously happened at Wembley. I mean Wembley
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was you know, there were one hundred thousand people there
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in the seventies and yeah, yeah, man, he and Ali,
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He and Ali owned the seventies.
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As far as why all the sports goes, so yeah,
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I think the other times that well, the sports was
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top rated. If it wasn't Evil Can Evil, it was
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either Ali maybe the Harlem Globe Trotters, but more likely
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an Ali fight and Evil can evels.
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So no, you're right, man, yeah, yeah, yeah, those are
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the three definitely, yeah, but but yeah, I mean the yeah,
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the the bouncing into the Dunes parking lot is like,
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you know, they're just there were one hundred of those
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where he was just a sound bite machine and uh
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and and and people love those things. And again when
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you're you're doing a comic book, he kind of collect
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these things and.
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You and you drop them in, you drop them in,
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and you.
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Know, it just acted its people.
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In like a beautiful way.
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And yeah, well and also I I appreciate And is
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this going to be in do you do you want
487
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to make this an ongoing?
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What is what is?
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Or is it a miniseries you do want to make?
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Well? Yeah, yeah, So we're starting with one arc and
491
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you know it's it's you know, it's about you know,
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it's about contracts in the beginning and all that stuff. Uh.
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And so we're starting with a four issue arc. But
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if if Kelly.
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Uh will uh you know, will let.
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Me, I will do this until I, you know, until
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I slam into a bus myself. Uh and and and
498
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and you're you're already picking it out, you know, and
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your and your your listeners are already picking it out
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where it's like, oh, well, you know, well you got
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to do a Wembley thing and you've got to do this.
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00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:44.119
I would love to do give me four issues of
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evil in uh in England. You know that is a
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story because when he lands in England, uh, the promoters
505
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had sold three thousand tickets and he was supposed to
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jump in like a week and a half. He and
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he's got but yeah, and he immediately fires a promoters
508
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and takes it up himself and he starts this tour
509
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where basically he does all these TV shows. He uh,
510
00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:15.720
you know, he's insulting England and British customs and standards,
511
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and he's hitting golf balls in the Thames River and
512
00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:21.920
he's you know, he uh, but I'm there were one
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hundred thousand people.
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Sure, No, no, no, honestly, and also not ironically I
515
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mentioned DOLLI I knew they were friends, and in fact,
516
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I think they were even repped at one point by
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the same publicity people and everything. And know they they
518
00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:39.559
were the best promoters of their own stuff. So no,
519
00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:43.079
it made it made perfect sense. And again I remember, sadly,
520
00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:45.920
the last jump that he did before he retired finally
521
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was here in Chicago and it was over over the
522
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Shark Tank, which was yeah, which I understand live shark,
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but you know it was it wasn't that spectacular. But
524
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that's all right, man. You know he was near. He
525
00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:00.640
wanted to end off on a win and make it.
526
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You know what else is interesting, right? You know about
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the movie that was on the Disney Channel streaming Disney
528
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Plus called Stuntman where at my Frank Kurt Matila, the
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filmmaker made a documentary about a guy who built a
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jet bike to really cross the Snake River and everything.
531
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:21.759
You know. Yeah, yeah, you know, you know, I met
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00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:24.440
a guy at San Diego Comic Con who who was
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00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:27.319
you know, who was some sort of producer on that film,
534
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and yeah, the guy that actually went and did it afterwards.
535
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Yeah, yeah, I need.
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To watch it. Yeah, that's good. That's yeah, that was
537
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a good well.
538
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:36.960
And and again growing up with Evil again, I had
539
00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:39.200
the toy. I mean, come on, man, I mean it
540
00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:41.640
was it was literally like one of the greatest toys
541
00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:44.240
of the seventies. And you know, you'd crank it up
542
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:47.480
and it would pop wheelies and you could make you
543
00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:49.200
could have it a run on your Hot Wheels track
544
00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:52.359
and you know they jumps and everything. No, it was
545
00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:54.400
a great toy. And again, like you said, he was,
546
00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:56.279
he was a real life superhero, no question.
547
00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:59.359
Well, I mean it's still you know, it's still maybe
548
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.240
the biggest selling toy of all time. There there are
549
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:06.039
Instagram accounts that are wonderful. There's there's one that is
550
00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:10.160
the gold standard called Porter's Evil Jumps, and it is
551
00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:14.640
just a guy who makes videos of you know, jumping
552
00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:17.359
his evil can Eevil toys. He uh he sets up
553
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:20.759
ramps and he you know, puts interesting things between the ramps,
554
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and he'll have him jumping out windows and and he
555
00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:26.359
I mean, you know, and this guy has you know,
556
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I don't know what he has, one hundred thousand followers
557
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:30.839
or something like that. It's like it's a wonderful account. Uh.
558
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:34.000
And yeah, those toys are still big business.
559
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:37.880
Well beyond beyond Dave, you have other uh you know,
560
00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.000
great variant covers that you're offering as well. Who's this artist?
561
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:43.920
That is John Pinto And that is a guy that
562
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I just discovered online. John is a John is a
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really great uh you know graphic artist in general, just
564
00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:54.359
works professionally, and uh, he was he was drawing Evil
565
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:56.720
Canevil just just a huge fan like us. And he
566
00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:58.519
was just drawn Evil can Evil in the spare time.
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And you know, the first thing you do when you
568
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:06.079
are looking for artists to go to work on this thing,
569
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:07.680
it's like, okay, well what's out there?
570
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:08.920
Sure I was.
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00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:12.240
I was stunned at how little was out there, and
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00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:15.519
you know, fan art and whatnot, just guys drawn and.
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00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:19.119
Their But yeah, but again I can kind of because
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again I honestly right, I think because you're a BMX
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00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:26.119
guy and stuff, it's not. And I'm saying, this is
576
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:30.119
an old guy who again experienced the original generation of it.
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00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:32.599
So yeah, unfortunately on a sight out of mind. So
578
00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:35.279
it doesn't surprise me that even people that are into
579
00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:37.680
bikes and everything may not think of it. But god,
580
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:40.880
look how if everyone's watching for the audio video viewers
581
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.359
video viewers, of course they're viewing their video. It's no,
582
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:49.960
it's reminiscent of reb Brown's nineteen seventy nine design of
583
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:53.039
his Captain America costume that he had in the terrible
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made for TV first Marvel movie, you know, and thankfully
585
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they fixed it. And do we know if Evil modeled
586
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:04.000
his costume after any sort of Captain America vibe? Obviously
587
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:06.799
very patriotic. Yeah, it's very patriotic.
588
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:08.559
I mean, I think more than anything, he was trying
589
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:12.559
to get as far away from the black leathers as
590
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:15.319
seemingly possible, and he was trying to drape himself in
591
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:18.319
the red, white and blue more than anything. Yeah, I
592
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:20.559
don't know. I have never heard him talk about and
593
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I've never heard Kelly talk about Captain America. Like, I
594
00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:25.880
don't know that those are guys that you know, we're
595
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:30.759
big comic book people in general. Yeah, but but yeah,
596
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:33.960
I was gonna ask you drew this one that is
597
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:38.680
flops and and Flops has done some really amazing covers. Recently,
598
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:43.400
he did a cancer cover that everybody flipped for, and
599
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:47.440
he has just done covers from for some friends and
600
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:53.240
just has like a really interesting different graphic style and
601
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:55.359
and I mean he letters on his own and he
602
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:57.920
has just kind of like a you know, there's there's
603
00:28:57.960 --> 00:28:58.960
just humor.
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And sas it all and uh, and yeah.
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00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:05.240
I think he really captured something that you know, gives
606
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:07.960
a gives a different spin on it. And then this is, uh,
607
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:10.160
you know, this is gold standard. This is Ray Anthony Height,
608
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:13.319
Marvel DC artist and just a just a really close
609
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:16.400
friend and uh, one of just one of the best
610
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:19.960
guys I've ever met in comics and cool. And you know,
611
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:22.759
it's funny because it's like you, I I work with
612
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:24.240
a lot of foreign artists, right.
613
00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:26.079
And uh, and they draw the hell out of out of.
614
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:29.960
Out of stuff, but evil we've been hinting at this
615
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:36.240
is a distinctly American hero, right, And so you get
616
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:38.480
people who could draw him, but they don't get it.
617
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:43.079
But then there are certain guys like Dave Acosta, like
618
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:45.599
like Ray Anthony Height, where I just I just let
619
00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.279
slip in conversation, hey I have the evil evil license,
620
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.839
and their eyes get this big and they're like, you know, Ray,
621
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:54.079
Ray's like, oh, well, you got to do this and
622
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:55.279
you got to make sure you get this in and
623
00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:57.119
you gotta and He's going on and on and on
624
00:29:57.240 --> 00:29:59.960
and then and the conversation ends with him basically.
625
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:02.079
Being like, hey, uh, you and I are going to
626
00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:03.000
fight if I don't.
627
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:03.440
Get to do a cover.
628
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:05.839
So that makes it.
629
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:08.720
Easy, very nice.
630
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:09.039
Yea god.
631
00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:10.880
I even remember that pinball machine that I was just
632
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:13.400
showing on screen. Uh now, he was a big, big
633
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:17.599
deal for for you know, more than a decade. Literally, Yeah,
634
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:23.640
I don't blame you, and I I was gonna say,
635
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:25.400
literally fifteen years something like that.
636
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:31.640
Yeah, okay, yeah, every now and then your microphone gets
637
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:32.160
soft on me.
638
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:35.599
All right, no worries, man, we'll figure it out. But
639
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:38.000
I uh, I know I when I saw that you
640
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:40.440
were doing this campaign, immediately I'm like, well, how I
641
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:42.920
love talking about evil and evil, so I'm happy to
642
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.440
do it. You also have for the Kickstarter. I'm gonna
643
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:49.880
go back to it some really cool other things, including
644
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:52.680
your love of well first of all, here let's even
645
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:55.559
get to some posters and things that you that you
646
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:58.000
were offering. So bring that back up there we go.
647
00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:00.000
But yeah, talk about these.
648
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:04.359
Yeah, so these were done. Uh, we have a we
649
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:07.799
have this. Uh she is actually the uh you know,
650
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:13.400
half Evil comics went from me doing some comics to uh,
651
00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:16.279
to me doing a lot of comics, to me starting
652
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:19.440
to publish other people's comics. Were releasing a book soon
653
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:20.039
but from.
654
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.519
David ABALONEI we have signed.
655
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:24.240
Another book that I can't talk about just yet. But
656
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:26.880
then also we started to acquire pieces.
657
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:28.839
Of of i P like Evil and Evil, and uh.
658
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:33.119
We're actually we're closing a deal on a new i
659
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:36.720
P this week. That's bigger, that's batter, that's crazier, that's awesome.
660
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:38.759
And one of the key components of all that has
661
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:44.240
been our executive better editor, Arie Nelson, who's who's just great.
662
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:47.480
She was I knew her from the film world, was
663
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:49.599
a development executive for a really long time and just
664
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:53.079
uh just brings an energy and and but she's also
665
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.319
she's also like a top notch graphic artist, and so
666
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.000
these became her pet projects where she went and she
667
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:05.039
found these are actual historical event posters that were lost
668
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:10.960
to history, and sometimes there just exists, like a photograph
669
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:13.720
of one in the background or something like that. Sure,
670
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:17.519
and and she went in and she painstakingly restored these.
671
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:19.720
And so we have we have one poster from the
672
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:25.599
Caesars Palace and and the twist on that historically is
673
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:29.039
that he was supposed to jump three times and and
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00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:32.720
and and the poster says that repeaated attempts on January
675
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:36.920
third and January sixth, but obviously, like the first one,
676
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:40.960
didn't go, so he ended up in the hospital. And
677
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:43.799
you could talk about whether whether it happened or not,
678
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:45.640
but the story is he was in a coma from
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00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:48.880
twenty nine days up to the first jump, and then
680
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:51.640
the and then the other one is from his motorcycle
681
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:54.440
Daredevil's days, which is before he was jumping on his own.
682
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:57.200
He had a stunt show and he had he traveled
683
00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:01.200
with a stunt troop and there was a you have
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00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:05.559
someone called Butch the midget Daredevil, which I know is
685
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:09.920
not the preferred nomenclature now, Butch was a little person. However,
686
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:12.680
that is what the original poster said. And so that
687
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.839
is what our poster says, and so sure, yeah, and
688
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:18.440
so these have been again painstaking me restored. They are
689
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:21.440
twelve by six. They're putting on archival paper. They are
690
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:24.440
going to look gorgeous in a frame. Behind me. I
691
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:26.920
have actually one of the original kind of hand drawn
692
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:30.039
Snake River Canyon posters all that.
693
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:32.599
Let me see. I will zoom in stand by.
694
00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:35.400
Yeah, I can even I can maybe pull it closer.
695
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:39.000
But but yeah, yeah, so, I mean, these things look
696
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:40.359
beautiful and if you're a fan.
697
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:42.400
Wow, yea, yeah, look at that.
698
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:45.599
But yeah, that's actually, you know, an original from the seventies.
699
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:47.119
Very cool.
700
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:50.839
Yeah, and it's beautifully framed. But we tried as hard
701
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:55.119
as we could to live up to that standard. And
702
00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:59.480
so and so for the first you can kind of
703
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:01.079
see in the back and you know, I love my
704
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:03.160
I love my event posters. I have my Hogan and
705
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:07.440
Flair uh signed wrestling bill back there. We're trying to
706
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:09.920
give you something beautiful to hang on the wall, something
707
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:10.559
worthy of it.
708
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:12.119
Yeah that's great.
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00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:14.639
Yeah, kind of a museum piece. And I think that
710
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.760
if we kind of get our way, then they're actually
711
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:21.719
gonna sell these in the museum afterwards. Because we did
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00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:24.800
screw because Rachel because Alary Nelson did such a good
713
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:28.679
job restoring them. So so that's cool, definitely something.
714
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:32.079
You're also you're also given you've also got pins that
715
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:34.239
you're that you're selling and these look great. They got
716
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:37.960
the van and the uh and again your your buddy's
717
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:39.960
caricature of evil as pins. That's cool.
718
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:42.880
Yeah, those are from John Pinto and yeah, a little
719
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:46.480
little gold trim, little silver trim. Yeah, great stuff.
720
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:48.840
Very cool. And then and then underneath it again I'm
721
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:51.920
not surprised given that you're a skape guy. Uh, show
722
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:54.320
the skateboards that you are offering here we are as
723
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:57.880
the first one, Yeah, that first one right underneath go
724
00:34:58.000 --> 00:34:59.239
but yeah, tell us about please.
725
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:01.079
Yeah. Well, and that first one is from the King's
726
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:04.559
Island Jump. That's that's when he jumped fourteen greyhound buses
727
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:09.079
and landed, you know, and then retired for the second time.
728
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:11.960
He retired a few times after that.
729
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:14.519
And then and then you know, everybody.
730
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:15.719
Loves this Pinto drawing, so we did kind of a
731
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:19.719
cartoony checkerboard version of that. People seem to like a lot.
732
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.679
And yeah, and you know, if you told me when
733
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:24.719
I was ten that I would be designing Evok and
734
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:26.880
Evil skateboard decks. That would kind of lease my mind.
735
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:31.039
But yeah, so little dream come true there, so very cool.
736
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:34.360
And then yeah, you can also get giant collections of
737
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.880
the extra stuff that the extra merch that Rise offering
738
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:41.039
here and get a swag pack for one hundred and
739
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:45.239
forty or even a nice mini pack with posters and
740
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:47.760
whatever cover you want in a pin for seventy bucks.
741
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:49.880
So that's cool. And then you get everything for one
742
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.039
hundred and eighty bucks. Now I don't blame you, man,
743
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.360
this is this is great. This is great. And then
744
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:59.800
even some original art hand run ink level prints as well.
745
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:03.440
Yeah, yeah, we got I'm well those are actually hand drawn,
746
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:08.400
handing drawing the originals. Ok, yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll get
747
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:08.920
the original.
748
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:11.360
Uh that that's beautiful.
749
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:13.199
But a lot of interesting art tiers we have if
750
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:17.320
you scroll down, Yeah, please go keep Yeah, yeah, one
751
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:18.800
of my this is one of my favorite ones. So
752
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:22.360
this is a photo with Evil, and so you send us,
753
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:25.840
you send us your picture and uh, you know, we
754
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:28.320
have an artist not be the ideas, who's who's doing
755
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:30.800
a lot of the Uh, there will be short stories
756
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:32.360
in the book. He's doing the short stories, but he
757
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:35.400
will actually draw you, you and yours in next to
758
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:38.880
in next to Evil, and uh he does a really
759
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:41.679
great job and it's really awesome and you know, we're
760
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:44.119
people are flipping for these and then you know, if
761
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:47.960
you know the history, evils obviously in his ear, but uh,
762
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:51.119
we meaning we and then that's uh, that is that's
763
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:54.119
already Nelson there, that's the executive the happy Evil executive editor.
764
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:57.719
We are in the motorcycle Daredevil's leathers, so we are
765
00:36:57.760 --> 00:36:59.760
part of the Sun team. That's the idea. And so
766
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:02.480
if you know the history, it's a team photo with
767
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:05.199
evil and it has a lot of meaning and you know,
768
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:07.480
and you'll get your name on the on the leather
769
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:09.760
and and all that stuff, and people are having a
770
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:11.800
lot of fun with it. And after you.
771
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:18.559
Again, yeah, I'm sorry, guy, we got we have this delay. Obviously,
772
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:19.840
I didn't mean to interrupt.
773
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:20.000
You.
774
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:22.039
Finish your thought and then I'll talk.
775
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.000
No, no, no, go ahead, I think, yeah, we're we
776
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:27.280
are having a weird delay. Yeah, yeah, I think I
777
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:28.599
thin think I can finish my thought.
778
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:32.519
Well after you cover. And again, if it sounds it
779
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.320
sounds like you might be spending several issues on each
780
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:39.199
jump leading up to it in the jump itself. But
781
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:44.679
I wondered would there be room to tell fictionalized stories
782
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:48.360
kind of like Viva Ca and Evil, because no, I
783
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:53.239
get it man again, Uh, he represents a great portion
784
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:57.079
of the country. And I always say that backdrop, that
785
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:01.480
smoky in the banded sort of backdrop is rife for comics.
786
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:04.599
For a while, it seemed like in the two thousands,
787
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.440
when I was getting into podcasting, there were attempts of
788
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:11.199
nicking country stars in the in the kind of guys
789
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:14.559
of like Burt Reynold's Bandit, that kind of guy that's
790
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:17.440
finding himself in the adventures. And I've always been surprised
791
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:19.599
that there weren't more of those. And I know that
792
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:24.079
there it doesn't matter where you're from regionally, there's a
793
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:27.039
lot of Ye again, you came from Detroit, love and
794
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:29.920
Evil and Evil. I'm in Chicago, so we're certainly not
795
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:32.440
in the South, but we love this shit. So yeah,
796
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:34.239
I'm surprised there are more things like that. But would
797
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:36.639
you do fictionalized adventures.
798
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:39.239
Of evil as well? But I mean, I think the
799
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:41.880
answer is we're doing it already. We're doing both. So
800
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:44.840
the idea is that we are doing Smoking a Bandit,
801
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:48.639
but it takes place against the backdrop of you know,
802
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:52.800
of Caesar's Palace, Like from from Caesar's Palace to Snake River,
803
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:55.320
there is the Smoking the Bandit like an adventure that
804
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:58.280
is happening, that is playing out piece by piece, And
805
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:01.480
so you're gonna get a little bit of both. How Iver. Yes,
806
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:05.360
the more we build it out, the more tangents will
807
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:07.360
be able to take and the less well, once we
808
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:10.559
have firmly established the history, the less we'll have to.
809
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:12.199
Kind of lean on it.
810
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:15.320
But but yeah, I.
811
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:18.519
Hear a couple of comments from the crowd here. T
812
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:22.320
two says he had the Marvel Evil comic as a
813
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:26.000
child in the seventies, and Jeremy says, as a kid
814
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:28.800
Evil and the Globetrotners where yeah, it must see events
815
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:31.880
on wide world of sports. And Carrie says this sounds
816
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:34.519
like so much fun. I'll put it in our crowdfunding
817
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.440
segments tomorrow night. Yes, carry is part of the splash
818
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:41.719
Pages podcast. You so there you go, man, Yeah, absolutely,
819
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:44.000
and yeah, she's impressed with the add ons that you're
820
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:46.320
doing so very cool man, excellent.
821
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:50.760
Yeah, that that original Marvel comic is funny. I mean,
822
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:53.280
I have it right here, and who.
823
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:56.519
Who was it? Yeah? Who drew it? Who wrote it? Uh?
824
00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:00.320
This is I think that Shana Ramada who did the cover.
825
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:04.960
Let me open it up. But yeah, but it is
826
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.960
where are the I think general monitored to cover, but
827
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:11.800
I'm looking for the actual so here. So here's the
828
00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:14.159
thing is that this is not a standard Marvel comic.
829
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:18.519
This is this was so Ideal Toys, the makers of
830
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:21.960
Evil and Evil Toys we were talking about, uh, commissioned
831
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:25.800
Marvel to do this thing. It was never sold, it
832
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:29.599
was it was a single issue. It was given away
833
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:33.639
at basically like toy store events. It says, it says
834
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:40.320
free right there and yeah yeah, and so the story
835
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:44.400
isn't much Evil Classes Classes are the bad guy. But
836
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.639
really what it is is that it is an instruction manual.
837
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:50.000
It teaches you how to acquire and play with the
838
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:55.360
Ideal Toys. Hilarious, It's very hilarious. And it's like, you know,
839
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:58.320
a guy comes with a problem and he's like he's like,
840
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.960
you know, hey, join me inside my Scramble van, you know,
841
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:03.199
and we'll have some refreshments. And then the voice of
842
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:05.639
God is like evil canevils Scramble band is what is
843
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:08.360
available at fine you know, toys r US stores everywhere,
844
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:10.880
and so it's that sort of thing.
845
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:11.400
Uh.
846
00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:14.679
The funny thing is as a historical document, uh, the
847
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:17.960
Evil Caneveland Museum. Guys and I have talked about this,
848
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:19.880
you know, we talked about this at San Diego Comic
849
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:24.199
on the stage, and this is it's it is this
850
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:26.320
important piece of history because when I was growing up
851
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:30.400
in the eighties, all of the children's programming. You talk
852
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:32.039
about he Man, you talk about G I. Joe, you
853
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:35.000
talk about transformers. It followed this model. It was like
854
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:37.039
it was, you know, here are the toys, you know,
855
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.840
here's the new line. Let's introduce new characters. Here's how
856
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:43.239
you play with them, go out and get them. That
857
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:45.360
was all of children's entertainment when I was growing up,
858
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:47.599
right down the curtain too, you know. Yeah, and uh
859
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:50.760
and and so but this is the O G Yeah,
860
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.480
they were figuring out how to do it well.
861
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:57.400
Also, I I've certainly talked over the years with a
862
00:41:57.400 --> 00:41:59.719
lot of friends who have finally broken through with the
863
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:03.039
big too. And a lot of times Robert Atkins, great example,
864
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:06.079
wonderful G I. Joe artist and everything. I remember when
865
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:09.159
he was doing special comic projects for Marvel, and one
866
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:13.079
was an Avengers comic for dentists for the American Dental Association.
867
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:15.360
So yeah, those kind of things exist. But yeah, it
868
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:19.239
was smart, that ideal, you know, realize, And again it
869
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:21.679
was both companies. It wasn't just Marvel. When Marvel and
870
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.920
DC had those back covers of the stuff that I
871
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:27.920
showed before, you know, the ads like this, you know again,
872
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:30.920
I mean that was that was prime in seventy two,
873
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:32.079
seventy three, in that era.
874
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:35.440
Yeah, so yeah, it's interesting. Look, they were doing them.
875
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:37.519
They were doing them not too long ago. Even I remember,
876
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:39.400
you know, my friend Dave DeLange was you know he
877
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:41.800
did he did some sort of NFL superhero thing like
878
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.280
you know, not even oh yeah eight years ago or
879
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:45.840
something like yeah, no, I remember that.
880
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:49.880
And Subway Subway recently had a tie in like that. Yeah.
881
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:53.440
The best example, the craziest example, and I know my
882
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:56.400
friend Marty Pasco used to even have a couple issues
883
00:42:56.440 --> 00:43:00.000
of it. Some wealthy guy, two of his sons, they
884
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:02.800
they might have been twins, but there was a bar
885
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:06.239
Mitzvah and they commissioned d C to make a special
886
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:09.519
Superman adventure with his sons in it, and it was
887
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:11.960
Kerry it was Kurt Swan. I don't know who wrote it,
888
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.559
but it was Kurt Swan and Kerry Bates or Kurt
889
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:18.400
Swan and Murphy Anderson art in the thing. So it
890
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:21.039
looked like a seventy Superman comic. You can find him
891
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:23.719
on eBay every now and then. But yeah, that's uh yeah,
892
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:26.559
those kind of real things. Joe thinks one of us
893
00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:29.199
must be Evil can Eevil. He says, evil You stopped
894
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:31.360
at a local bar and some of Illinois called Chester's
895
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:35.119
book looks great, So there you go. Neither of us
896
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:37.679
are evil, but I'm sure the spirit of evil appreciates
897
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:41.840
your remembering. Joe. Kelly, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Man
898
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:44.719
about Kelly and everything? Is Kelly helping you out as
899
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:46.679
far as the kick started making the rounds?
900
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:49.679
Yeah, yeah, Kelly and I are in touch every day,
901
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.199
and uh and Evil can Evel fans are.
902
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.599
Very uh, you know, they're they're.
903
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:59.719
Very enthusiastic and yeah, you know, yeah. It's the beauty
904
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:02.519
of this beating this from a business standpoint is that,
905
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:04.880
you know, comic fans get excited about it, and my
906
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:08.679
fans get excited about it. But being able to with
907
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:12.079
a normal Kickstarter campaign, right, well, your fans show up
908
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:14.280
on day one and then it's kind of an autopilot
909
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:17.480
and they trickle in slowly but surely, and you can't
910
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:20.840
really go out every day and grab fans. But with
911
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:24.039
this one, every day you wake up, go out and
912
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:27.519
activate new Evil Canevel fans in different places that aren't
913
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:30.480
necessarily used to going to Kickstarter or going to a
914
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:33.280
comic book shop that sort of thing. And and it
915
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:35.360
helps of course that well we don't just have comics,
916
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:37.639
we also have all this other cool swag and and
917
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:41.639
and these kind of really interesting, you know, evil experiences
918
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:43.320
that you can have. I mean one of the things,
919
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:46.360
you know, when you get down to our kind of
920
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:49.199
crazier tiers, you can actually there was a tier where
921
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:52.079
you get to, you know, have one on one zooms
922
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:54.360
with Kelly Kniebel and ask them all your even Canevil questions.
923
00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:59.400
We have a kin to your Superman comic that you
924
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.519
were talking about. But uh, there is a tier where
925
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:04.840
we will make a we will do a five page
926
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:06.920
Evil can Eevil story set in the world of the
927
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:10.159
comic book where you are you are the star, you
928
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:12.639
are a member of the Motorcycle Daredevils and you are
929
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:15.400
interacting with people can eevil, you can be you can
930
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:17.639
be drawn into the book, you can uh And there
931
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:19.519
are a lot of people who are very excited about that.
932
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:21.000
It's like, oh, well I get to I get to
933
00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:23.840
come in and so uh one of the kind stuff
934
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.480
and and so we're trying to give that. But but yeah,
935
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:28.239
so it's so every every day we wake up and
936
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:31.679
Kelly helps us activate some new people because you know,
937
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:35.400
he knows it's He's just like a matchmaker. It's like, well,
938
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:37.840
these people they want this stuff, they don't know it exists,
939
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:39.639
and so he introduces them to it. That's all he
940
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:40.880
does is he just leads in the water.
941
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:44.239
So tell me about the movie side, Ryan, last time
942
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:46.920
I talked to you, you were heard heard from you.
943
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:50.440
I think you were in Italy film making Uh some
944
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:51.840
sort of action film, am I right?
945
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.559
Uh? Yeah, Well we had a we had a film
946
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:57.599
that was a sci fi joint called State of Consciousness
947
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:00.960
that starred Emil Hirsch uh and that was the that
948
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.480
was the number two movie on Peacock Class summer. Uh.
949
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:10.000
I did another movie in Greece with a Spanish director
950
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:13.119
named Fernando Chueba, who won the Oscar for Foreign Language
951
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:16.719
Film a few years back with Bella Poke. We had
952
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:20.079
Matt Dylan in that one, and uh, I like that
953
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.679
film a lot better than the other one. Uh that
954
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:25.159
is on streamers now, you know, it was in theaters
955
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:30.679
for a while. What what streamers? You can find Haunted
956
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:36.480
Heart everywhere? State of Consciousness is at the very least
957
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:38.119
on Peacock, but it might be it might just be
958
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:40.239
everywhere now. Also, I haven't checked in a while.
959
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:43.239
Okay, but Unted Heart is it on Pluto? Is it
960
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:45.719
on Two B? Is it on you know?
961
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:49.159
Yeah? I mean tell me, tell me the streamers? Well yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
962
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:53.800
certainly Amazon Prime, certainly, ok yeah, yeah, yeah, certainly, it's
963
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:56.199
probably on Netflix. It's probably you know, it's some of
964
00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:58.199
the bigger ones. I don't think it's on you know,
965
00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:02.360
the Pluto's and the two B's when uh uh yeah, yeah,
966
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:05.199
those become different deals and stuff like that.
967
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:06.159
But I know, I.
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00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:09.119
Really really well again, I do have I do have
969
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:12.639
other filmmakers on and you'll forgive me. But I assumed,
970
00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:15.599
given that it was probably a lower budget film, even
971
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:17.760
with the Nicolas cage, that it might go to the
972
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:21.239
fast channels immediately, you know, and not and not beyond
973
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:22.880
the amazons of the Netflix and anything.
974
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:26.639
So I apologize, no, no, no, there is there is no
975
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:27.440
sorting through.
976
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:29.000
It, uh these days now, I mean.
977
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:30.800
Both both of them have theatrical releases.
978
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:32.400
But the theatrical.
979
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:36.079
Businesses is you know, you know, yeah, I've been you know,
980
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.039
even Ghostbusters is flopping at the box office.
981
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:43.239
So Spinal Spinal Temp too is flopping at the box
982
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.519
office the first weekend, and and it blew my mind.
983
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:50.000
It literally only made a million and a half bucks
984
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.679
its first weekend. And I know it's you know, a
985
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.480
limited audience per se, but you know, you figured maybe
986
00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:57.920
at least ten million or something like that. So no,
987
00:47:58.079 --> 00:47:58.599
I get it.
988
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:01.480
Nobody's going to the movie anymore. And the streamers have
989
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:03.280
made it really difficult to do anything. But I mean,
990
00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:05.000
you know, that's the thing is, is you want to
991
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:07.480
talk about why I'm you know, why I get to
992
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:09.679
do Evil Caneveal comic books right now? It's so I
993
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:13.800
had I had what was about the best year of
994
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:17.119
my career, Like in Hollywood, I had two movies at theaters,
995
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:20.880
I sold the TV show with three big stars attached
996
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:24.519
to it, and it used to be that a guy
997
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:27.119
has a year like that and uh and he works
998
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:31.159
for about ten years off of that. Sure, but you
999
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:32.679
know that that at the very least he has a
1000
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:39.599
little momentum strike streamer of the organization, COVID all the
1001
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:44.480
stuff that's happening right now. Basically, I don't know how
1002
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:46.159
to make money off the product right now, and so
1003
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:47.400
there's very little being made.
1004
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:49.960
And you know, I know, I mean, you.
1005
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.079
Know, Avaloni's wife is.
1006
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:54.519
A is a Union.
1007
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:57.400
Seamstress, like top of her game, and she did like
1008
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:01.719
she worked on like Star Wars Star Trek the Card
1009
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:07.519
than then Loki and Or and has like Hall of
1010
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.960
Fame run for her and then the next year she
1011
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:12.320
worked twelve days.
1012
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:17.119
Yeah, and that's that's yeah, no, no, but all I
1013
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:19.840
get it. What's your television show? Is that out there?
1014
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:22.800
It is not out there? It is it's still at
1015
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:26.800
the studio, okay, you know you know, uh, the actors
1016
00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:29.159
are still lined up to do it, but there is
1017
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:31.880
not there's not like it in Greenlit right now. If
1018
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:34.719
you look at them, there are I don't know, like
1019
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.719
a fraction of the of the TV shows that that
1020
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:39.599
there were even two three years ago. Right now.
1021
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:43.039
No, no, I and and truly people that have gotten
1022
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:47.920
consistent television made guys like Googenheim, who's very vocal about
1023
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:50.039
how things are right now, and you know, he had
1024
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:53.639
ten years with the CW and Eli Stone is ABC
1025
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:57.199
Legal Show, and god, I even remember how COVID screwed
1026
00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:00.440
him over. He was going to reboot a law La
1027
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:03.440
Law for ABC and they shot a pilot and he
1028
00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:06.360
showed me the photos of the cast all together and everything,
1029
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:08.519
and it's and it's a shame because there are a
1030
00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:10.320
lot of the much like a lot of these reboots,
1031
00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:13.480
some of the originals are coming back in everything and yeah,
1032
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:18.880
gone gone, you know Rucca, Yeah, great show, Rucca with Stumptown,
1033
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:22.639
you know, kind of got screwed by the strikes or
1034
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.519
again maybe COVID again eighteen so but anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
1035
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:29.880
it sucks man, And uh yeah, I guess it was
1036
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:31.880
COVID that screwed him up with Stumptown.
1037
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:34.159
Yeah. I mean, they can't make money with Late Night now.
1038
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:36.440
And I promise this is not a political rant. They
1039
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:39.119
just simply cannot make money with the Lake r.
1040
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:43.480
A. I am a bleeding heart liberal and a broadcast
1041
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:46.800
former broadcaster, although now I'm a podcaster, but I am
1042
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:49.239
absolutely for first amendments. And by the way, this is
1043
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:54.159
a bipartisan thing of freedom of speech. Sorry, because there
1044
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:56.840
are Republicans that agree with the Dems that have this
1045
00:50:57.000 --> 00:50:59.960
issue as well. It isn't binary, like a lot of
1046
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:02.800
our issues are, as much as they'd like you to
1047
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:05.960
believe that. No, and it's no, but but there is
1048
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.480
this economic reality about Late Night. But you know, even
1049
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:11.440
the people that make fun of made fun of Jimmy Kimbo.
1050
00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:14.440
Oh he only has a one point three million viewers. Yeah,
1051
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:17.239
he's got twenty two million people on YouTube. They'll watch him,
1052
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:20.079
not to mention Hulu and I don't know if he's
1053
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:22.159
on Disney or not. But also the other clips on
1054
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:24.840
Facebook and Instagram, and it's like, no, it's I mean,
1055
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:27.960
that's where the Sarai live bits really live, is streaming.
1056
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:30.480
And yeah, again we know it. That's that's why I'm
1057
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:32.320
here on YouTube everybody, I mean, and that's why a
1058
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:35.079
lot of people that get screwed and out of their
1059
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:40.039
broadcast jobs find themselves on doing streaming video like this.
1060
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:43.840
So yeah, but you're right, No, that is a financial reality,
1061
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:47.440
and that's why even existing contracts. I don't know if
1062
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:49.920
the late the Late Night tenth, you know, eleven thirty
1063
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:53.639
talk show is going to exist beyond everybody's existing contract
1064
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:55.159
because the numbers aren't there anymore.
1065
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:58.920
Yeah, not in the way that not in the way
1066
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:01.400
that we grew up with, right, not the way that
1067
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:03.760
you and I have known it for decades. Yeah, it's
1068
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:05.960
gonna be something else. It's going to exist on YouTube,
1069
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:07.559
ban Instagram or.
1070
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:12.039
The networks will find ways to make that money online,
1071
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.239
and I'm sure they do now to a degree, but
1072
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:19.519
certainly not what traditional advertisers. Everyone's gonna have to change
1073
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:23.800
their way of thinking viewers, the media companies and the advertisers.
1074
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:26.199
And that's why I right, I don't know about you,
1075
00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:30.679
but I laugh that Pluto and even Amazon have running
1076
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:33.840
ads and Peacock running ads and stuff. But you know
1077
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:37.679
they call them the fast channels, the free advertising supported
1078
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:39.960
television or is the thing that you and I got
1079
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:43.599
grew up with television. It's like, you know, they've been
1080
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:45.800
they were doing it since the forties here in America,
1081
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:49.840
having ad supported television. I'm really glad it took you guys,
1082
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:52.000
you know, about ten years ago. Oh you know what
1083
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:55.280
we ought to do. Wait a minute, I think commercials
1084
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:57.920
were a good idea, and it's like, yeah, dumbass. You
1085
00:52:57.920 --> 00:52:59.320
guys are the idiots that thought you were going to
1086
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:01.880
like live fat on the hog with subscribers.
1087
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:04.960
It's like, no, not enough, man, No, not at all.
1088
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:05.960
Yeah.
1089
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:08.719
I mean we're at this interesting place where it's you know,
1090
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:10.440
and I feel like I feel like you and I
1091
00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:13.239
did some version of this year's before you ended up here,
1092
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:17.119
and I started, you know, I started making books on
1093
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:19.079
my own and.
1094
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:22.639
I described a book as you and David also have
1095
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:24.280
your own podcasts, right.
1096
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:27.000
Yeah, exactly. But you know, and I think it's what
1097
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:28.880
it's what the Jimmy Kimmel's in the world will have
1098
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:31.719
to contend with. Where it's like, well, so here's the
1099
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:36.480
thing is, like, there is this misconception that Jimmy Kimmel
1100
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:40.840
needs ABC as a platform, and he doesn't. I mean,
1101
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:42.559
here's the thing is what is going to bring Jimmy
1102
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:44.719
Kimmel back? And Jimmy Kimmel they announced, of course that
1103
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.320
he's coming back tomorrow night, and I'm interested, I'm going
1104
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:50.199
to be there. But the reason Jimmy Kimmel will come
1105
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:52.639
back is because there are two hundred and fifty people
1106
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:57.760
that worked for him that need those jobs, and because
1107
00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:01.079
of COVID, because of the strike, they did not have
1108
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:04.159
those jobs for a long time. He feels the need
1109
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:07.519
to protect those people, their livelihood, their families, and so
1110
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:09.239
he will come back for a period of time at
1111
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:14.840
the very least for them. However, the networks don't realize
1112
00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:18.000
is that Jimmy Kimmel is the platform. You know, you know,
1113
00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:22.320
ESPN did this. ESPN chipped away at itself for years.
1114
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:24.559
It was the place for sports, and it was because
1115
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:27.760
they had all the best people, you know, you know,
1116
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:31.760
the Bill Simmons's you know, you showed up because that's
1117
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:33.440
where they were, and that was where you were going
1118
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:36.119
to get the top notch analysis, that's where you were
1119
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:39.159
going to get the fun stuff, the debate, all that stuff.
1120
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:42.440
And they slowly chipped away at it. They they were
1121
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:45.239
defending a brand rather than the people, and the people
1122
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:48.400
slowly but surely left and they all splintered off and
1123
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:51.480
they all found their own way. And literally like two
1124
00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:54.239
years after Bill Simmons, they kicked Bill Simmons out the door.
1125
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:57.039
He was selling his brand to Spotify for two hundred
1126
00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:02.480
and fifty million dollars. He revolutionizes podcasting, after revolutionizing the
1127
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:09.280
sports documentary, after revolutionizing long form journalism in sports, and
1128
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:12.119
really had him, yes.
1129
00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:15.719
Yes, and they didn't know what they had the Gramlin
1130
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:21.960
his satellite website for sports journalism that he had under ESPN. No, man,
1131
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:23.960
I saw the whole thing. And again, you know, I
1132
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:27.880
came from sports broadcasting thirty years here in Chicago, and
1133
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:30.960
so no, I get it. And it's a shame that
1134
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:34.840
the big comedia companies don't. And also, yeah, I agree
1135
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:36.639
with you. You know, they'll they'll write out whatever the
1136
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:39.199
current cont crack they have with Kimmel, and that's great,
1137
00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:40.800
and Kimmel will be able to take care of his staff.
1138
00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:43.239
You know, the dirty little secret is you don't need
1139
00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:44.960
that big of a staff to do what we're doing.
1140
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:49.119
And he will absolutely if he wants to, and he
1141
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:50.800
wants to do some sort of I mean, look what
1142
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:53.719
Katie Kirk is doing it herself. And you know, there
1143
00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:56.039
was a woman that always had networks behind her and stuff.
1144
00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:57.840
Now she does it on her own. I'm sure she
1145
00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:01.000
doesn't have more than ten people helping her with her podcast,
1146
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:03.000
which really is no different than what you and I
1147
00:56:03.079 --> 00:56:06.239
are doing right now. Two video boxes talking to each other.
1148
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:10.559
Yeah and yeah, and you know, you become the platform.
1149
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:13.079
That's what happens. Is is what happened with comic books,
1150
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.599
where it's like, we're you know, so for years you
1151
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:18.920
had five companies. Those companies are run by you know,
1152
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:21.519
fifty year old white guys that all had a specific taste,
1153
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:23.679
and you step to go and ask their permission to
1154
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:25.440
make your book. And if they didn't give you permission,
1155
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:29.719
your book didn't get made. Nobody ever saw it. But
1156
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:32.679
now you know, I can make this book, whatever book
1157
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:34.639
I want to do, no matter you know, no matter
1158
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:36.960
what kind of protagonists I want to have, what kind
1159
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:39.280
of story I want to tell, who I love, what
1160
00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:41.920
my politics are, I will find an audience for it.
1161
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:44.079
I can take it directly to the consumer. I become
1162
00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:46.519
the thing. And here's the thing is, like, you know,
1163
00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:49.599
it is almost impossible to make money putting comics in
1164
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:52.159
comic book shops. There are a handful of people that
1165
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:54.280
actually make money doing it, most of us.
1166
00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:55.320
It is a a.
1167
00:56:56.079 --> 00:57:01.199
Love thing, a passion thing. But right now my evil
1168
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:04.079
can Eevil book and I actually make some money making
1169
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:07.599
my Evil can Eevil book myself taking it directly to consumer.
1170
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:11.719
I became the platform. I get to pick which story
1171
00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:14.039
I write. I'm not writing something for money.
1172
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:14.800
I'm not, you know.
1173
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:16.760
And and because I feel like the I feel like
1174
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:19.719
the readers, they see it the passion. You don't have
1175
00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:23.079
the love. I don't want to just write something. I
1176
00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:25.079
wanted to write something that I was in love with
1177
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:27.679
and I wanted to share that with people who are
1178
00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:30.280
also in love with it. And and and they will
1179
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:33.239
know immediately this is not some you know, this is
1180
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:36.000
not just some rando who needed a job and is
1181
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:38.000
getting paid fifty dollars a page to crank out an
1182
00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:41.079
evil can Eevil oil slick. You know, this is a
1183
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:43.880
This is a labor of love. I put up my
1184
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:46.920
own money to get the property, you know, pay the
1185
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:50.320
artists myself. And there's just like a lot of love
1186
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:54.440
and and you know, just enthusiasm in it.
1187
00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:58.280
I get it. No, absolutely, man, that's great. And do
1188
00:57:58.360 --> 00:58:01.199
you want to should we release people to your your
1189
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:04.599
in print? I'm sure half Evil Comics has their website
1190
00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:06.679
and your and in addition to that, there are also
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tears for the Evil can Eevil comic that that you
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are selling your other books as well. Correct, Yeah, you
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can get the entire half Evil library, you know, and
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uh and you know.
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We uh havepy evil comics.
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We want a Ringle Award.
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We were nominated for six others. We were nominated for
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Best Series alongside Bitter Root and something s Killing.
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The Children, you know.
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Uh, and so it is a it's a good library,
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you know mostly uh you know, big poppy action books.
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Uh you're all zoom in again.
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Yeah, okay, Well we did a uh yeah, I did
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a uh you know, political thriller called Aberant that want
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won a Ringle Award. Ban Jacks is our dark superhero
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noir that was nominated for for four Ringos, including Best Series.
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We did a Tokasatsu joint with Source Point Press called
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Suicide Jockeys. And then also, you know, we we have
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this uh we have this very real presence on on Kickstarter.
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We do a lot of good kind of like Black
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Marr Eskus five books. We have a National Projection.
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Thriller called The Jump.
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Uh.
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We have another kind of.
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Black Marry joint called The Breach. And we did a
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Fargo West crime drama called The Peacekeepers. Yeah, in line
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with but but they're good books, uh, you know, great
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artists and just a lot of love and enthusiasm in them.
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So uh yeah, we're we're everywhere, uh you know, at
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half Evil Comics at Ryland Graham is a good place
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to look to, and yeah we're out there, and uh,
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you know, we have her own YouTube channel. We do
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the uh you alluded to it, but uh, David.
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Abaloni and I do a we.
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Do a business of comics podcast different from this one. Uh,
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we're it's just kind of creators. Uh you know, Uh,
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the conceit is it is creators grabbing a beer after
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a day on the con floor and so just kind
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of creators talking shop. And uh, we start out with
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a business subcomics podcast and then usually we end up
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arguing about Star Trek captains, which yeah, maybe isn't too
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different from this one.
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But but but but.
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Yeah, I certainly did. There's certainly my share of Star
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Trek talk on this channel. Absolutely. Who's your who's your
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favorite captain?
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I'm a I'm a Jeann Muckoocard guy.
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There's nothing wrong with that. I'm I'm a Ben Cisco guy.
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But you know, I'm also OJ So you know, I
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got room for both Kirk and Pickards, so that's all right.
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And and Jay you know, I'm kind of the father
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Flanagan of Star Trek. Well, I was gonna say there's
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no such thing as a bad Star Trek. Captain New
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Trek has proven me wrong. I will leave it at that.
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And unfortunately, I will say, because I've certainly been shitting
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on strange New Worlds this season, I'm so disappointed for
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the promise of a great Captain Pike show. And I
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can literally still on while on two hands now maybe
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count six episodes of the three seasons that we've got
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that I'm like, all right, that was good Star Trek,
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not great Star Trek, but good Star Trek. And I'm
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always I'm always hopeful. I'm always you know, maybe I'll
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like next week's episode. And Prodigy knocked me out, and
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you know, the Bens and sisters who were writing on
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season one. I'm a tremendous fan of what Hageman did
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with that show, and I think it's a very smart show,
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especially given that it was made for Nickelodeon.
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It was.
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I think it was smarter than a few of the
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on camera shows. Frankly, so interesting. Anyway, Yeah, you know again,
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but this is a rare thing. This is not a
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Star Trek podcast, so I'll leave my countents there, but no, Rick,
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congratulations man, I mean I know you you're more than
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halfway over what you wanted to be at, but you
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still have three weeks to go, and so there's plenty
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of time for people to jump on this Evil can
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Eevil kickstarter campaign. And again, I think it looks great.
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Dave ad Costa's art looks fantastic, the variant covers look cool,
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and it's a great subject that certainly I can attest.
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It's one of my favorite twentieth cent pieces of twentieth
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century pop culture history, and it's it's a fun story
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and a lot of potential for great story ideas. So
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I envy you, and then also good luck with it.
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I think that's great man.
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Yeah, thanks so much. Yeah, we had a lot of
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fun doing it, and I think you'll see that. So
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tune in, come make the jump with us. There you go, everybody,
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thanks a lot. Tomorrow. I had a commercial earlier for
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the Word Balloon Book Club. If you are a patron
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of a part of the League of Word Balloon listeners
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at the three dollars or higher tiers, we're going to
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do a zoom. We're going to record a zoom tomorrow night,
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so won't be live, but I will be playing it
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once we record it. And we're talking about Brian Azerrello
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and Eduardo Risso's one hundred Bullets Volume one with Dave
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Johnson covers, and that's going to be a great subject.
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It's Brian Venness myself. I know Mike Choy will be
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joining us, I know Eric Plecki will be joining us.
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And you can join us as well well if you're
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a member of Venness's discord or a patron of word
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Balloon Patreon dot com slash word Balloon.
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So that's coming tomorrow. Thanks everybody. Until next time, stay safe,
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stay happy, stay healthy.