“Pulp Lives! Robert Greenberger Talks Thrilling Adventure Yarns Vol. 5”

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Hey, everybody, Welcome back, Time Forward Balloon. The Comic Book
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Conversation show John Sutris with You. Robert Greenberger joined me
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Monday night. Robert has been doing a lot of great work.
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Of course, back in the day he was a great
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writer and editor for DC Comics and Marvel. These days,
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he is part of a writer collective called the Crazy Eights,
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and they have a brand new anthology out that Robert
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is editing, the Thrilling Adventure Yarns, and it's a bunch
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of pulp inspired short stories that hit all the different genres.
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No superheroes this time, but a lot of superhero writers.
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When you hear the lineup of people that are in
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this and it's big and this is the fifth Thrilling
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Adventure Yarns. So great opportunity to talk to Robert. We
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talked about the stories, we talk about the authors, and
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we also got to get in some Star Trek story
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in there, because he wrote Star Trek comics and he
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wrote a couple of Star Trek novels as well, so
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I got to ask him about some of the new
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John Stutris hero is happy to welcome one of the
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crazy as back to word Balloon. It's Bob Greenberger. Fantastic writer,
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fantastic editor. He's got a new kickstarter of a fantastic
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anthology in a continuing series, Thrilling Adventure Yards, the twenty
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twenty sixth edition. Bob, Good to see you, Welcome.
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Back, Thanks Sean, good to see you.
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I was going through the list, Bob, And as usual,
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you've got a lot of the great, as Claude Rams
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would say, usual suspects, but a lot of them are
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also word balloon writers. And here I'm actually first gonna
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put up the shot of the cover and uh here,
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let's see here, where the hell is it there?
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It is?
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I think there it is. There we go, but we'll we'll,
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we'll go through the list here. Great, I like I
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like the distressed uh uh rainkles on the cover. That's great. Man.
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Well, you know Aaron Rosenberg, the book designer and an
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author for the book.
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You know, he he gave it that field since it's
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a tribute to the golden age of the pulps.
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Those books are not in mint condition anymore.
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Absolutely, my guy, I don't even know. I know they
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still do pulp shows. It's been a while since I've
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gone to the local one.
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Yeah, I think the big one is in Pittsburgh every fall.
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Yep, I knew that absolutely. Jerry Conway and and Storenko,
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I know, used to go to that one, and I
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don't know if Jerry still goes because I think Jerry
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last time I talked to him, was saying that he's
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trying to sell all of his pulps and everything, which
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I understand. The generation's under us. I don't know how much.
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I mean, they appreciate the genres, but I don't know
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how much they appreciate the original material.
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Really good question. I mean, you know these days you
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say the pulps. Maybe they know it, maybe they think
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it's related to the Tarantino film.
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They certainly may have heard of Doc Savage, the Shadow,
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maybe the Spider in G eight and after that. You
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have to educate them. It's where Tarzan was born, and
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it's where you know, lovecrafts Capulhu was born. That's where
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you know Conan came from.
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And the building blocks of Superheroes obviously came from the pulps.
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Oh absolutely. You know, if you look at the first
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like two years of comic stuff, you know, from like
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thirty five to thirty seven, even thirty eight before Superman,
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it's all pulp inspired stuff, especially the Shadow.
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No question. Uh, well, you know, of course Doc Savage,
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Man of Bronze, Superman, Man of Steel, both at the
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Fortress Solitude.
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Siegel has absolutely admitted to having read those. I mean,
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you know, very influential, you know. He uh you know,
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he nearly got sued for ripping off Phil Wiley's Gladiator,
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uh for you know how powerful that figure was. Uh,
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you know, but back then everyone stole from each other, Yeah, Siegel,
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at least they added enough original elements that it caught on.
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Hey, our t bear is watching it. Good to see
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you are one of the one of the good guys. Absolutely, man,
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that's nice. Sorry, very cool. Well, and again, uh, let's
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I want to go through some of the writers and
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I'll let you fill in the bunks of the rest.
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But as far as word Balloon constant guests, you got
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Paul Kopperberg, Michael jan Friedman, H Keith DeCandido, Max Collins
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and and JMD Dematias and Steven Grant, to say the least.
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And I know there's even more. God, this is big.
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How big is this book going to be?
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You know, the twenty twenty two edition was mammoth. I
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let it swell in size. It's one reason why I
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did not get rich off that particular campaign. Let's just say, yeah,
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I was deficit spending, but you know I stunned down
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for twenty five. This one's going to be a little
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bigger than the twenty five book. But I'm optimistic I
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will get him off funding to you know, make this worthwhile.
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You're about halfway there on the account.
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And in fact, yeah, I hit fifty percent just before
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dinner time tonight.
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So I'm bengrant. That's fantastic, man. I will let you
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fill in some of the other writers that you want
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to promote. But obviously these are a lot of great
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not only great comic book vets, but people that know
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how to write a good short story as well.
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Well, you know, returning from previous time, some people like Trek,
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Derek Tyler, Attiko who, since he wrote for me, did
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the autobiography of Ben Cisco, which was you know great,
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from the Star Trek Fans from Crazy Eight, Roulskuled Chumero,
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Mary Fann, Mike Friedman, Paul Koppenberg, Aaron Rosenberg, Hildy Silverman.
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But also you know, one of the big pulp writers
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these days is Will Murray.
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Yes, who's gotten some nonfiction books on the Shadow, but
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has been hired by the Edgar Rice Burrows Estate to
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do some original works for them, you know, so having
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Will back a lovely touch.
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Keith the Candado was back with his version of a
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Doc Savage type character. But newd of the book which
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has been excited as Max Allan Collins, who wrote a
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Sherlock Holmes story and with his buddy Matthew V. Clemens.
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But I've been trying to get Max in this book
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for you know, since the second volume. So catch him
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at the right time. It was a stroke of luck.
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Also the book is a well known science fiction fantasy author,
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Esta Friesner, who added a fun series of anthologies called
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Chicks and chain Mail, which was fine for the comic
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book world. I have Mark Demdis, I've got Steven Grant,
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but I also have a list of Quitney, who was
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a Vertigo editor before she went on to writing a
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bunch of comic book stuff, and that writes original fiction
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on her own. Baith Cato, who is new to me.
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She was referred to me by one of the gang,
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and she's another science fiction writer. And she just turned
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in her story last week and that was fun, and
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since last morning crazy oppressed. Welcome Don Christopher the Abbott,
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who has been making quite a nice career writing Charlote
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Comb's past teaches, but I got him to write something,
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not Holmes. He actually wrote a fun little horror story.
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Oh that's cool, that's cool. And again, no, all these
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guys are and women are terrific writing genre fiction and
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have been for for quite some time. Now. You gotta
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you gotta murder his row Man, and I wonder it's
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funny you mentioned that Max wrote a Strock home story.
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A lot of these characters are starting to fall into
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public domain? All right, any are there any pulp heroes
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have you? Have you used any public domain pulp heroes
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in your collections? No?
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Not yet? Okay, and actually Arsen Lupin the French Criminal. Sure,
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that's him on the cover and as well. Yeah, so
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that's a loop in cover. Mary Fan really wanted to
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write a story with him. So I've got Holmes and Lupin.
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It's the first time I'm using PD pulp characters.
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Do you keep an eye out to see who is
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going to fall in public domain?
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For?
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Yes, I don't stay right next is it next your month?
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He's Falcon twenty six?
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Yes, yeah, there are some songs I remember. I think
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the earliest Popeye falls.
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In pay That'd be a great uh if somebody would
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be fun to see somebody write a pulp Popeye story.
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So yes, I do keep an eye on what's hitting
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public domain, but I also have to be careful for copyright.
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You know, I'm sorry trademark purposes. For example, Steamboat Willy
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is in PD. That means I could do something with
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Steamboat Willy as he appeared in that one car too.
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I can't do the rest of Mickey mouse, you know,
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and I really wish people would do something other than
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a horror film with these p D characters, like we
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need to blue Blood.
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And Honey and one I noticed that to me, there's
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a Popeye horror movie.
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So we'll you know, we'll see. It's gonna be years
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before our more familiar characters are available.
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Sure well. And also there the great thing about the
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pulp heroes are that they are basic enough that you
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can take the idea of them and turn them into
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your own thing, which again and a lot of your
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collective has done in the face as well.
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I mean, you know, Roberty Howard gave us basically the
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archetypical sort of sorcery barbarian that people have been dining
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on ever since in one flavor or another.
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Absolutely, man, absolutely, I want to talk about some of
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the premiums that you're offering over it this this volume
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of three.
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A lot of it's the usual mix where people can
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get tuckerizations having a character in this story named after
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them or you know, whoever they designate. I'm selling bundles
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of digital material by some of the contributors, So I've
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got three different bundles of a mix of material or
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the Mega.
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Bundle where you can have it all. You know, you
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can buy all five volumes of the book in ebook
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or paperback or hardcover.
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You know.
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The fun thing that you are going to be the
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stretch goals, where I can include additional stories lesson who
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we consider our patron saint, the men who helped create
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Doc Savage for the Street and Smith. There's still a
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bunch of his unpublished short stories, so I've got one
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of those lined up. And Adam Troy Castro, who has
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written some wonderful short science fiction. He's written some Spider
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Man novels. As memory serves, He's got a great story
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for me, Zach, the longest story in the book. If
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we can reach that goal, and of course I want
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to get it illustrated. You know that last time we
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had to do some p D pulp art to illustrate
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the stories because I didn't get that much funding. I
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really am hopeful this time that my factors go. You know,
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I really do miss the original art, so here have
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more money.
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Would you would you ever entertain trying to adapt any
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of your stories or others into audio drama?
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Why are its expensive?
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Yes?
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I would love to do this as audio with multiple
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you know, narrators and all, but do the proper production
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to be anywhere close to what people are buying from
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audible and elsewhere. Uh, that's an expense. I just haven't
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had the appetite for yet. Not that I rule it out,
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I understand, and I I'm you know, I'm a sucker
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for good audio. In fact, I just enjoyed they did,
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great nine part radio drama. I really really hope it
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did well enough that Paramount commissions.
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More, no kidding, man, especially as you know, again, it
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was great to hear George Taka in his nineties come
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back as Sulu and Timorrow stated a great job as Tuvac.
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do on camera for that matter as well. Yeah, from
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the eighties and nineties, it's like you know, don't don't
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let these guys, you know, and and you know, I
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keep hearing that maybe Shatner might do like an animated
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thing or something like that. It's like, you better hurry.
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I think that just revived Kirk in you know, one
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of their miniseries, So anything is possible.
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I actually Lancy and Kelly will likely be back. We
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talked about the first issue a couple of months ago,
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and uh and IDW has caught me up on the
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next issue actually is coming out this Wednesday. But yeah, yeah, yeah,
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so yeah, we'll get to start trek talking in a
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I want to give you your due for the thrilling
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in Venttory yards.
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Oh so thanks. I appreciate that. You know, the the.
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are offering on your Patreon, which would be six months
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after the book comes out. I'd love to have a
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book club chat with my backers and some of the
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not some of the authors.
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ultimate stretch goal. I understand, guy, that'd be yeah, that'd
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be great though, absolutely, man, get them all. You know,
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it's hurting cats trying to get all the authors together.
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I mean, it's you know that, just to get together.
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I don't know if I can get all of them,
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but I can get a handful of them to participate,
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which I think would be tremendous fun. But again, you know,
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that's like way up here at this point, I'm at
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fifty percent, so I just want to make sure I get.
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Gold Amen, absolutely halfway there, everybody. It's yeah, you know so.
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as a hard version.
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People can buy buy it as an ebook, and I
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would send out the pub and PDF versions automatically as
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part of that setup. Uh. Plus paperback plus hardcover. You
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know you you've got a favorite format. I'll fill it crazy.
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It's how long have they been together? That collective of rights?
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This summer twenty twenty sixth of our fiftieth year. Wow,
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that's well for the loosest, most disorganized collection of authors.
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You know, you know, it's not quite f true, but
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it's certainly you know, we're all doing our own thing
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and supporting one another. But it's not like we're an
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LLC and we have money rolling.
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In and we need accountants in all, but we have
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managed to put out over eighty titles in our collectively
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around our you know, the number of authors we have.
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That speaks to, you know, something sustained, finding an audience
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for this stuff. You know, everyone is continuing to write
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their own books, are contributing to each other's anthologies because
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a we love doing the work, we enjoy each other's company,
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and we think there's an audience for our ideas.
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I couldn't agree more, man, I mean, growing up, I
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was a big fan of and I don't even know
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how many of these are still in existence, by things
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like Ellery Queen Magazine and Hitchcock Magazine and as them
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off AD one and you know.
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Those three are still being printed as far as I know.
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The monthly mystery magazines had you know, nowhere near what
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they used to be, or the s F books you
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know back you know they're the last of the pulps.
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no question. And and really, as a young mystery reader,
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that's how I got exposed to a lot of stuff,
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not only the new stuff, but the stuff they would reprint,
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as you know, a.
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Lot of the comic book people like Danie O'Neil and
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Might W. Barr, you know, to them, writing Batman was cool,
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but getting a story sold Delliery Queen Mystery magazine, that
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that was a nice little feather in their caps.
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No question, absolutely, man, Now you've been crazy. It's been
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self publishing since ub Yeah. And isn't it interesting, Bob,
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Because as I speak to other authors, it seems to me,
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I mean, certainly everybody would rather get the advance and
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you know, the money up front to uh, you know,
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from a publisher that's willing to put out your stuff
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and everything. But it really does seem like the self
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publishing world. You've gathered this audience and and thankfully they
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still support when you have new stuff.
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Right, I mean, you know, you're fronting the money to
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a cover artist and a book designer and maybe spending
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a little on marketing or even just hosting your website. Uh,
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you know, so the cost is so much smaller than
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the major publishers. Of course, they've got marketing teams chirp
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and you know, can can do floor displays and get
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front of the store you know, positioning. We're you know,
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we're hopeful that they just buy a copy to put
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on the rack, you know, but we can do what
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we want and don't have to don't have to fight
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with the marketing people go, well, great idea, I don't
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know how to market that right?
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Absolutely informed? Yeah, or or a publisher telling you, yeah, no,
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go a different direction. It's like no, you guys got
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to really stay true to what you write and and
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just put it out there. So so that's great. How
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has it been. Have you tried to market specifically to bookshops?
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It's been hit or miss. I think bookstore dot org
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has been a boon to us and other self publishers
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because they can order our stuff through them and then
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the local bookstore gets a piece of the action and
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everybody's happy.
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Okay, that's cool.
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Well you know that that's been a nice little game changer.
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I have no idea, you know, I don't look at
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the financials for any one else's material, and I need
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I'm a little behind them receiving data on my own releases.
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So I can't tell you what has changed did not change.
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But you know, I do know I get a nice
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little bit of money every month from Amazon for the
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e books I have exclusive there, and that helps every
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little bit he counts.
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Sure, absolutely, Now I know that again, you know, I
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lean on Star Trek that a lot of you guys
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should get together for surely every year.
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Right, Yeah, that's that used to being Maryland. Now it's
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in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. And the next year I'll leave is
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the second week of July twenty twenty six, and of
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course being the sixtieth anniversary Star Trek, they've already started
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announcing pretty much any guest star who's still alive.
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Oh that's great, Well that's good, and you know, man,
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all right, and Bob, forgive me, I because I talked
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to several people I think when when Peter David passed away,
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and I can't remember for you we did talk, didn't
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we we did talk? Yes, there you go. Yeah, and
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the unfortunately one of the one of the crazy as
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that is no longer with us, obviously.
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And yeah, now that said, you know, I'll promote this,
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uh you know these days Kickstarter has you know, you
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can buy the book and then they have a whole
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laundry list of add ons. Yes, and one of the
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add ons we have available for this campaign is there
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was a limited five hundred copy edition of the Complete
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Howling Mad, which was the original novel The Howling Mad
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that Peter wrote from I think it was Berkeley back
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in the eighties. And then he did a sequel short
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story that appeared in an anthology called Otherwere Keith de
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Candado co edited, and that's out of print, both are,
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I believe, So with Peter's widow's permission, we put the
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two in a nice little, a numbered hardcover limited edition
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and we're making that availables and that on. So if
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you buy the book and you want to, and the
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money for that will go to Peter.
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Peter's that's terrific. That's great man, that's excellent. Yeah, no, big,
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you know, great, great loss and wonderful, prolific writer for
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for so long. In uh, in comics and in in
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in novels and short stories, absolutely all three.
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Uh so any any any sci fi in the current volume?
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Any what?
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Any sci fi stories in?
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Uh?
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Yes?
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Yeah. Bet Cato wrote a science fiction story as the
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Freezoner Russ called Chamiro. I think Hillby's is going to
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be science fiction. I haven't seen hers yet. But you know,
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the weird thing about this is after the twenty twenty
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five book came out. I pulled my backers and I said,
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what do you want? More of? What do you want? Yeah? Like,
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who else do you want? Sure in the book and
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I was fifty to fifty between more SF and less SF.
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Interesting, crazy, So I definitely upped my crime quotient hence
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Looping and Holmes among others, and sort of trust you
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that continues to be an evergreen, you know, evergreen genre.
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How about Westerns?
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You know, we don't have.
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One any this time it didn't pull terribly high, and
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no any I would have taken one, because there's still
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an audience for it, but sure.
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At this time, maybe next time.
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All right, fair enough, that's cool, that's all right.
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My goal is to continue to do these as long
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as it makes a little bit of money to make
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it worth doing the break even it doesn't make.
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For this camp for the sweat equity, and also I
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got to make a little something.
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I don't know, if you know my buddy Doug Klaubat
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from suburbs of Chicago, but he only by name, Okay,
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he's a yeah. He's a big painter and pulp aficionado
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as well, and has done his share of not only
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covers of books, like yours, but also even cover art
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for collections of old time radio and things like that.
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And I remember a project he was talking about, and
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I wondered about some of the more even fringy pulp subjects,
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like because he was even thinking like it'd be fun
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to have a medical character or a deep sea diving character,
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things like that, not out.
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Of the realm of possibility.
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You know.
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Somebody wanted to, you know, suggest that when I talked
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to writers, especially people I'm reaching out to the first time.
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I say, you know, this is more like All Story magazine,
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where all genres could be included. And that's where Towards
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End first appeared.
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Oh I didn't know that was a real pulp all story. Yes, yeah, wow,
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I have nineteen twelve, I believe. Yeah, well that doesn't
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surprise me given when Burrows was was cranking that stuff.
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Not a lot, but it was at the beginning of
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the nineteen hundreds, So yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
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Who were some of the like the editorial heroes as
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far as you know, the great the great editors of
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the Paul Bera.
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going into comic books, you know, so so a lot
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of the early ones. You know, one of the one
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of the ones that made an influence on young fan,
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Julie Schwartz, was a diminutuate, diminututive man named Ray Palmer.
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Of course, so Julie named the Silver Age Adam after him.
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And you know, Weisinger left the agency that he and
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Schwartz were running for SF writers to join Standard Publications.
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Jack Scheff, you know, all of whom wound up moving
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over to DC Comics. You know, that's where John W. Campbell,
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the great science fiction editor for you know, decades, got
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his start. Hugo gernsback, of course, who created the science
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fiction genre effectively for magazine purposes. Now, I'm sure there
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are others I'm forgetting at the moment, but you know,
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it's interesting things like The Shadow of Duc Savage and
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Spider and G eight and the others that had more
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to do with you know, just getting it out every
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month or twice a month is needed. And I'm sure
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there were many editorial hands on these, you know, getting
482
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getting an editorial voice was harder to identify.
483
00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:49.440
I'm trying to remember the name of a pulp writer
484
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:53.359
that was still around, like in the eighties. Jack is
485
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:58.039
his first name, Williamson. It probably was Jack Williamson's the guy.
486
00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:01.359
He was the guy that I believe was talking about
487
00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:03.559
l Ron Hubbard, who if people, you know, they know
488
00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:06.319
him from Scientology, but they may not know that he
489
00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:09.519
was obviously a great or at least a prolific if
490
00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:12.759
not great, sci fi writer, and and the one it
491
00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:15.079
was like, oh yeah, we'd sit around in the poker
492
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:18.160
games and Hubbard would say, hey, you know, if one
493
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:19.880
of us were smart, we'd start a religion.
494
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:22.960
And then he well, Actually, the way Schwartz tells the story,
495
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Hubbard was writing SF for the pulps in all the
496
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:32.680
late forties and there was some cocktail party where it
497
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:36.480
came out that, you know, starting a religion was a
498
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:42.079
great tax dodge, and that's in Schwartz credits that conversation
499
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:44.640
to starting Hubbard on the Scientology business.
500
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:52.160
Fantastic. Why not? Absolutely, man, that's battlefield Earth, everybody, al
501
00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:55.000
Ron Hubbard, the man behind Scientology.
502
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:59.480
You know. The thing is is that, as with any religion,
503
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:02.599
if you get something, you know, if you give it
504
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:04.359
faith and you get something out of.
505
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:09.319
It, who's to say, totally understand. I understand as well,
506
00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:12.519
but it is it is interesting. I mean, God only
507
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:15.920
knows what. Yeah, the guys, the guys that wrote you know,
508
00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:19.240
the the the the Bible and stuff, who knows if
509
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:24.160
that was a side hustle and while they were shepherds
510
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:24.720
or whatever.
511
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:26.799
You know, the idea of.
512
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.799
First century you know, side hustles is an interesting one
513
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:32.880
because back then you were, you know, just farming to
514
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:34.240
live exactly.
515
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:40.640
So is any any sort I'm sure there's some aspiring
516
00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:46.000
writers watching or listening, any sort of open submission to uh,
517
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:48.440
you know, after each.
518
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:50.279
One ends, I hear from a number of people who
519
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:52.359
would like to write for me, some of whom are
520
00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:53.680
at the beginning of your careers.
521
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:57.319
We have not made it open submission, and maybe time
522
00:28:57.400 --> 00:28:58.119
to consider that.
523
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:01.279
This series goes to a sixth month. See if I
524
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:03.440
can open it up and take one or two stories
525
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:06.559
and try and help the next generation alone.
526
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:09.799
That'd be great. Bob, that's six six volumes, are you
527
00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:14.400
that's fantastic? This is the fifth, so yeah, one, that's fantastic. Man.
528
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:16.920
So yeah, there you go. Everybody, so nice, nice little
529
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:19.759
you know, rent some space on your bookshelf for some
530
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:22.279
of these great these great volumes and stuff, and like
531
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:23.920
you said, you've got bundles where they can get all
532
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:25.359
the previous four as well.
533
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:29.799
Yeah, well you can catch up easily.
534
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:34.799
It's very cool. Why not? Indeed, why not? So thrilling
535
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:39.640
adventure yarns. And this is again for volume the volume
536
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:43.000
that comes out next year. What's the what's the release
537
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:45.599
date that you're looking at? Potentially mar getting.
538
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:47.400
It to to make its debut? Sure leave in July
539
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:51.200
twenty twenty six. It gives me bring to edit and
540
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:55.599
polish and make sure everything is spot on, because you know,
541
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:58.079
I have this day job as a high school teacher
542
00:29:58.079 --> 00:29:59.920
that sucks up a lot of time.
543
00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:04.480
Do you for your and now was it a writing
544
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:07.240
job as far as your high school teaching job?
545
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:12.359
Only as part of teaching how the students how to
546
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:17.119
write good essays, are good reflections and all? We offer
547
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:20.079
a creative writing elective, but I'm not the teacher for that.
548
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:24.880
And my honors freshmen have talked me into letting them
549
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:26.559
try their hands at a short story when we do
550
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:29.640
our short story unit in January. So yeah, this is
551
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:30.519
gonna be a little.
552
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.480
Bit have any of your how long have you been
553
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:34.079
teaching now? About.
554
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:37.880
It's my ninth year at the current school, twelve year overall.
555
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.440
Okay, have any of your students gone on to success
556
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:43.079
as writers?
557
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:44.000
Not that I'm aware of.
558
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:44.279
Not.
559
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:47.880
No one has come back and told me they've succeeded.
560
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:51.200
So how many of them are aware that you write
561
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:52.680
alongside teaching? Oh?
562
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:55.160
They do, they do once they realize. I've been to
563
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:57.200
DC and Marvel on staff and they see some of
564
00:30:57.200 --> 00:30:59.720
my books on the shelves. Not all of mine, but
565
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:04.640
a handful. They keep looking at them. Go, you've been published,
566
00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:07.160
You've got all these books, You've got a Wikipedia page.
567
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:14.400
What are you doing here? Writer reality? You know, especially
568
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.359
especially sadly in today's age.
569
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:19.720
Man, My answer to that question is always, you know,
570
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:20.119
I like.
571
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:22.920
To eat exactly. No, I get it, man, And I
572
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:26.000
know it's uh, it's certainly it's it's not the way
573
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:28.680
it was cut every now and then there's a documentary
574
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:32.839
about uh, the writers of you know there is when
575
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:36.440
we were kids, or even before, and when, sadly, our
576
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:39.359
society was much more literate that that it that it
577
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:41.559
curly is. I mean, hey, listen, there's still readers. That's
578
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:44.039
why the word balloon exists, and that's why thank god
579
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:46.599
what you guys do and everything is still happening, but
580
00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:48.400
it's certainly the way it was.
581
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:51.519
No, not at all. I mean the literacy rate has
582
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:54.039
has started to dip. The number of people who say
583
00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:54.880
they read for leisure.
584
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:57.400
I mean, the statistics came out a couple of months ago,
585
00:31:58.039 --> 00:32:04.200
and there's threateningly low. You know, definitely scrolling on your
586
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:08.920
phone or tablet, you know, has superseded reading and losing
587
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:10.000
yourself in a good book.
588
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:13.799
But also it seems and it really happens more in
589
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:18.480
other countries, like I know that like South Korea really
590
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:22.160
got into the phone as far as you know, reading
591
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:27.480
things off of there. So beyond the traditional platforms, are
592
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:30.920
there places like there are for web comics and things.
593
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:36.720
Are there kind of like platforms like that for pros?
594
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:38.640
I think there are.
595
00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:42.880
You know, certainly every phone can have a kindle lap
596
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:46.079
on it, so they oh, yeah, that's Drakes or Cobo
597
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:47.359
or you know, similar stuff.
598
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:52.319
But no, something like a web tune's for pros. I
599
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:56.680
don't think there's a major platform for that. I think
600
00:32:56.839 --> 00:32:59.960
that's one of the things Google, I'm sorry Google, Google.
601
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:02.799
Amazon was trying with their vela program.
602
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:06.599
That yes, fish and burned yes, yeah, it's that I
603
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:10.519
actually bought. I actually bought a couple, so yeah, you know, well.
604
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:12.799
You know, you know, once I read about it, I
605
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:14.559
went to the Crazy eight guys and I said, you know,
606
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:18.000
there's this new platform kindle. Uh, maybe this is an
607
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:21.200
opportunity for us to bring in some new new readers.
608
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:23.839
And we did a series of stories set in the
609
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:29.519
world we created called Prism and again this much. But
610
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:35.400
it really rapidly developed into romance important and not seriously,
611
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:41.359
and it did not take off the way anyone had expected.
612
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:44.480
Uh So when they folded the platform, we took the
613
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:48.079
nine stories we had published there, wrote several more and
614
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:51.319
put them out in a trade paperback last summer.
615
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:56.359
Oh JD is saying substack certainly is a place for
616
00:33:56.680 --> 00:33:59.400
I guess that kind of stuff, which I guess would
617
00:33:59.480 --> 00:33:59.920
make sense.
618
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:02.720
Yeah, I mean, I follow a handful of newsletters I
619
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.400
had followed like Brian Volano over there to you know,
620
00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:10.519
read his spectators, So I guess that's one way to
621
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:11.719
do it.
622
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:14.920
Are there any Are there any superhero stories in the
623
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:16.000
current volume?
624
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:21.480
Uh? No? He had two in the last book, won
625
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:24.320
by Mike Creeman, one by Elia and Maghan. This time,
626
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:27.320
no one pitched me any super stories, so not this
627
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:33.039
time closes. We've got is Keith the Candada's Doc Savage Pestiche.
628
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:35.800
That's cool, No man, I'm I'm curious to see it. No,
629
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:38.760
Keith's Keith's become one of my one of my favorite
630
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:42.880
go to guys amongst your your your compatriots.
631
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:44.320
So he gives good interview.
632
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:48.199
Well that too, and also, yeah, I love that. It's
633
00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:50.639
so funny. My buddy Mitch from Terrific on you know,
634
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:53.719
Mitch Alick. Uh, He's like, you ever have anybody on
635
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:56.199
with Star Trek to push us back and disagrees with you.
636
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.920
I'm like, yes, Keith the Kenda like, he's a first
637
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:03.400
defender of modern trek and I love it. And I'm like,
638
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:05.800
and I'm glad that he comes out and uh and
639
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:08.000
does that. And also just everything he writes, I know
640
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:10.599
he was doing something. Who I know someone recently was
641
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:12.960
putting out a new volume of Weird Tales. I forget
642
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:13.639
which publishing.
643
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:16.840
Yeah, No, Weird Tales, which is the original you know,
644
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:22.599
one of the original great popes really has got revived
645
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:25.760
a few years ago now. Jonathan Mayberry is the editor
646
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:30.239
of it, and he's still putting out maybe quarterly and
647
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.119
keeps having stories in the most recent ones.
648
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.440
And Bob thinking of John and some of the others
649
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.000
that that are part of your volume, and they're doing
650
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:44.840
original books, they also do tie in novelists and not
651
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:49.239
even novelizations. Original stories are based on license, you know,
652
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:53.440
existing things and and you've had You've had your moments,
653
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:55.760
haven't you was I mean obviously starting totally.
654
00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:01.480
I mean, you know, most recently. Oh gosh, what was
655
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:06.400
the less tie in I wrote for page It goes
656
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:09.760
back a little while, probably the Planet of the Apes
657
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:13.880
and the Predator anthologies from a couple of years back.
658
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:16.840
Oh wow, that's cool. You gonna are you gonna see
659
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:18.039
the new movie Predator?
660
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:20.519
Really would like to people who have been telling me
661
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:24.360
how good it is. I'm herek time is you know,
662
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.400
suddenly not as available as I thought. Well, it's not
663
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.800
just somehow life has gotten busy, so you know, like
664
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:33.400
I haven't seen the Springsteen movie yet, the bunch of
665
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:36.920
movies that I just haven't gotten to yet.
666
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:40.280
You know, honestly, also, I don't know about you. And again,
667
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:42.840
you know, we're from that generation that did go to
668
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:44.840
movies maybe a couple of times a moth and things
669
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:48.039
like that. I find it less and less likely just
670
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:51.079
given what's out in the theaters. But I did see,
671
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:53.400
and I'm always happy to mention this because I think
672
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:55.760
as we get closer to a reward season, I feel
673
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:58.320
like I'm kind of ahead of the curve. Having seen
674
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:03.039
the new Ethan Hawk movie Blue Moon about Lorentz Heart,
675
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:05.559
I thought it was great. I really thought it was great.
676
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:11.079
You know, it's Richard Linkletter the director, and it plays
677
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:14.320
like a play. It's all in real time. And for
678
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.679
people who don't know Blue Moon, you know, the song
679
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:20.679
I forget who did it? Starts with the Now the
680
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.280
band in the fifties, but of course goes back to
681
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:27.239
the thirties. Yeah, but regardless, Yeah, it's it's the night
682
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:31.719
that Rogers and Hammerstein hit big with Oklahoma. It's opening
683
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:34.760
night of Oklahoma, and everyone's at Sardis and you know,
684
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.639
Bob Nos Sarties. I know Sarties, but for those who don't,
685
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:41.599
that's the big hangout after the theater crowd, you know,
686
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:45.440
And that's where all the great Hirschfeld caricatures were. And
687
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.920
now modern artists alongside the Hirschfelds are there and everyone's
688
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:53.880
just waiting for the reviews and Richard Rogers former well,
689
00:37:53.960 --> 00:38:00.400
I guess was still technically working with Lawrence Heart. Lawrence
690
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:04.679
Hart was his previous collaborator on these musicals and popular songs.
691
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.239
And he's just kind of sitting there watching his former
692
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:11.000
partner just having ship come in and everyone just raving
693
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:14.440
about Oklahoma, and he's kind of the forgotten man and
694
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:18.400
you know man and and also Hawk totally uglies himself up.
695
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:20.719
He's playing really short.
696
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:25.719
Yeah. I read about how they used practical effects to
697
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:30.760
make him appear short compared to everybody else, to help,
698
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:36.239
you know, reinforce the real Heart. So yeah, not that'd
699
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:37.079
be worth looking at.
700
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:40.519
You know, it makes me want and because again we
701
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:42.760
grew up in that five channel world, three channel world
702
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:46.519
in sub cities. I remember that Mickey Rooney movie they
703
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:51.239
made about Lawrence Heart in late I don't remember it. Yeah, yeah,
704
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.519
I think it's called Words of Music in fact, but yeah,
705
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:56.519
it makes me want to see that again. But yeah,
706
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:58.760
I think you know, you know how it is, man,
707
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:01.320
They put pretty people in makeup and it's like, all right,
708
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.360
best the actor, best actress. You know, it's like no problem,
709
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:05.280
it doesn't take.
710
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:08.159
Much for it's predictable, but it's good now.
711
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:12.159
He was really good. And also speaking of Sherlock Holmes,
712
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:14.039
the actor and I forget his name, the British actor
713
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:18.119
that played Moriarty in the Cumberbatch Sherlock, Oh sure is
714
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:23.679
Richard Rogers, okay, and he's and he I can't. He's
715
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:25.760
got to get a supporting actor as well, because yeah
716
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:29.480
they were. Bobby Counterval is in it as well, yeah
717
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:33.400
I really And also sorry everybody, but really it's nice
718
00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:37.000
to see a movie that's not a reboot or a sequel,
719
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:39.639
or an animated movie or a superhero movie or a
720
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:42.960
horror movie, and it's like, you know, they're adult movies,
721
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:46.880
not porn, but there are movies for an older audience.
722
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:49.239
And it sucks because it really feels like the rest
723
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:52.760
of the world still is in that business. I always
724
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.800
see new movies coming out of England that are still
725
00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.639
you know, movies for adults and not just you know
726
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:00.599
pop movies.
727
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:02.920
You know, well, you know, one of the key differences
728
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:07.119
is British films goes for mid budget, mid range films.
729
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.880
They don't try and go for the biggest popcorn movies
730
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:13.719
because they can't scale up the way Hollywood can.
731
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:17.760
And they've made so many wonderful, charming films that my
732
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:20.400
wife and I will sit and watch, you know, unfortunately
733
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:21.719
at home, not in the theater.
734
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:26.880
Yeah, no, I hear you, man. Absolutely. And also yeah,
735
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:31.079
it feels like Hollywood has abandoned the mid budget of films.
736
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:32.880
I've been again, this is something I've been talking about
737
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:35.199
for years here at War Balloon. So and it's a
738
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:37.840
shame because again, you don't you don't need it. And
739
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:40.760
also we mentioned practical effects and things like that. It's like,
740
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:44.719
you know, good lord, we're about to see I believe
741
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:47.800
it hasn't officially been announced, but we're about to see
742
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:52.440
star Trek Chain's hands potentially. They certainly, well, another movie
743
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:54.079
is supposedly in the works.
744
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:57.039
Well they named they've named the people who are writing
745
00:40:57.079 --> 00:40:59.840
and directing, so that that's a step forward. But they've
746
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:02.519
the other writers and directors over the last decade, so
747
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:03.239
who can sell it?
748
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:06.039
Yep. And that's the thing. And it just seems like
749
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:10.840
and I just remember when Harve Bennett was producing the
750
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:14.679
original Cast movies and you know, it was not they
751
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:18.679
weren't big budget movies, but they were smart stories. And
752
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:21.360
it's like that's what you come for for Star Trek,
753
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:26.199
it doesn't need to be you know, one hundred million dollars,
754
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:28.280
one hundred and fifty million dollar budget movies. You can
755
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:31.199
tell a smart sci fi story. God, remember Moon a
756
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:34.320
couple of years ago, Sam Rock, Well, that was of course,
757
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.760
that was a reasonably budgeted film, and they did quite well,
758
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:39.920
or at least it was a great It was an
759
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.840
effective story at the very least for me.
760
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:45.960
I think JJ Abrams and Bad Robot just didn't have
761
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:49.280
the right handle and the right attitude towards the Star
762
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:52.800
Trek feature films, and they waited way too long between films.
763
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.519
So the cast was aging out fast when it was
764
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:57.400
supposed to be the guys at the beginning of the career.
765
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:01.639
What a properly reboot was supposed to be. You know,
766
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:05.199
after two misfired and then three was really good but
767
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:09.079
too inspired mint the box office for three wasn't what
768
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:11.880
it needed to be. You know, they sort of shot
769
00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:16.719
themselves in the foot. So I think, much as I
770
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:19.360
liked a lot of that cast, I think it's time
771
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:20.199
to start over.
772
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:23.159
Totally agree, man. Honestly, when they made the announcement of
773
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:25.719
no more Calvin movies, I'm like, yeah again, no, the
774
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:29.960
time has passed. And honestly, man, again this is my opinion,
775
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.760
Kurtzman secret hideout to people in charge of modern Star Trek.
776
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:38.079
They've had eight years and it's like, and they're gonna
777
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:40.440
get nine or ten, depending on how long they stretch
778
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:44.400
out strange new worlds and this new show Academy, and
779
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:47.280
it's like, Okay, you've made your statement with Star Trek.
780
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:51.079
Time to leave because they've divided the audience in the
781
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:54.679
worst way. And I don't you know, but I don't know, man.
782
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:57.599
I was you know, I'm only a couple of years
783
00:42:57.639 --> 00:42:59.480
younger than you, and it seemed like, yeah, we had
784
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:05.639
our frustrations initially with Next Generation, but again, it was
785
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:08.519
a different television world. They would get twenty six episodes
786
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:11.480
a season, and even of those first two seasons, there
787
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:14.280
are good episodes in there. When you only have a
788
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:17.880
ten of season now it's that much harder. But also
789
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:23.320
they've really gone so far to stray from the template
790
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:26.400
of Star Trek and oh no, no, nobody wants anymore.
791
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:29.159
And it's like, that's not right. I'm sure they would
792
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:31.239
if you wrote better stories. I don't know your opinion
793
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:32.519
on what they've been doing.
794
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:36.159
You know, Straights of the World. Season three was so mixed.
795
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:41.480
Some episodes were good, some were like growners and it.
796
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:44.559
You know, given what they established in the third season,
797
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:48.039
they veered further and further away from the Rodenberry star
798
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:52.280
trek that is supposed to be Dovetailing two. And they've
799
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.519
got a season four and an abbreviated season five to go.
800
00:43:56.800 --> 00:44:00.000
Flour is already shot. Yes, they're working on five.
801
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.519
I have had six episodes to wrap it up, and
802
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:05.239
it's like, I don't know how they're gonna put all
803
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:07.039
the pieces back and make it work.
804
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:09.559
When you get to where no man has gone before.
805
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:15.199
Well, I gotta be honest, man, especially having lawn Noonian Sing.
806
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:18.280
I mean I I and it's a great character that
807
00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:21.320
is poorly named and much like Michael Burnham, Hey, it's
808
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:25.199
Spot's sister, and it's like no, no, sorry.
809
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:26.880
Having Noonian Sing.
810
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:32.159
If they did something with it that would be interesting,
811
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:33.559
but they really hadn't.
812
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:37.760
Yeah, but again getting us to it's just and and
813
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.000
and for everybody, Sorry, I don't I always use this,
814
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:42.960
and I don't mean to be like light about the name,
815
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:45.679
but it's like it's like, hey, you know, I used
816
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:48.440
to date a woman named Susie Hitler, and I mean
817
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:51.199
they're gonna they're gonna be They're gonna be Condonian sing.
818
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:55.400
And of course Spacey was made decades ago, so it
819
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:59.079
doesn't fit. My assumption is like they used to do
820
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:01.840
on Uh Voyager and Deep Space nine, we're gonna get
821
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:06.800
somebody from the temporal ups and actually they've already set
822
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:10.800
that precedent on Strange New Worlds. But that's my feeling
823
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:12.639
that one of those agents is going to show up
824
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:14.800
and tell on I don't know how to tell you this,
825
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:17.920
but we've done further research. You don't belong in this timeline.
826
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:20.719
See you later and they'll be memory wife and everything
827
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:21.239
will be fun.
828
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:24.960
We'll see I mean, you know, I like Christina Chong.
829
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:27.480
I think she's doing you know, yeah, when she's given
830
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:31.800
some good material, it's great. Yes, I don't know why
831
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:36.599
they're obsessed with Spock as a lover boy, because you know,
832
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:39.840
them being friends and dancing, that's one thing, But the
833
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:43.119
start of romance after just breaking off with Chapels like
834
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:43.599
this is.
835
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:46.880
Not the Spock I remember and to bring I mean,
836
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:50.280
it's a like man, everyone used to complain, Oh my god, Kirk,
837
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:53.000
you know jumping from bed to bed. It's like, hey,
838
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:55.519
I think Spock in this iteration is certainly running him
839
00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:59.159
a close second. My god, a lot of action for Spock.
840
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:02.360
I mean, I'm sure, hey listen, you know, hey, Ethan,
841
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:04.760
that's a good look. Good dude, I respect that and everything.
842
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:08.000
That's all I can say.
843
00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:11.039
Hey, JD wants to know I haven't seen it yet.
844
00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:14.239
Have you seen del Toro's Frankenstein.
845
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:20.280
No, it's on mind Netflix. Q. I like the fact
846
00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:23.320
that it is one of the more faithful adaptations from
847
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:26.239
everything I've read, But you know, it's all gonna come
848
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:29.159
down to the performances of the writing. And sure look
849
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:29.800
forward to it.
850
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:32.280
Yeah, I know it sounds like a great cast. Del
851
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:35.880
Toro obviously is a man that respects and and tries
852
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:38.559
his best at horror, and I think succeeds more times
853
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:40.800
than I. I didn't see his Nightmare, Alle did you?
854
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:47.360
I didn't well remember, so let's say I didn't you know?
855
00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:51.159
I was man, I'll tell you the original. Especially for
856
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:54.440
being an old movie, the Tyro power movie disturb me enough.
857
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:56.960
I kind of didn't want to see a remakeer like,
858
00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:00.719
it's just like nos Ferantu last Year two years ago,
859
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:02.639
I'm like, I don't know if I want to see
860
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:04.880
somebody more grizzly say it again.
861
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:08.039
Remake was very atmospheric.
862
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:13.199
It evoked the feeling of the German.
863
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:15.119
Silence, you know, when that was made in nineteen twenty two.
864
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:15.920
I think it was.
865
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.679
So I give them credit for that, because it really
866
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:24.559
wasn't modern day take on that storyline and that feel.
867
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:29.119
You know, I wish more people had brought a unique
868
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:33.679
atmosphere of their storytelling. Del Turo always does that, but
869
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:35.360
I wish more filmmakers did that.
870
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:39.880
I agree. I you know, also though, especially with that
871
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:43.760
collective of the monsters the Universal did in the thirties,
872
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:47.000
it's pretty impressive that Hammer twenty years later was able
873
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:49.440
to have the success they did when the Brits did
874
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:52.039
all of their versions of the big monsters and stuff.
875
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:56.039
But I think for myself, I can't deny that I've
876
00:47:56.079 --> 00:48:00.760
got that Jack Pierce, Bud Westmore, Frankenstein, whether it's Glenn
877
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:04.480
Stranger or Scarloff in my head, Lagosi. I mean, I've
878
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:08.639
appreciated some of the great draculas we've gotten, Yeah, but
879
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:11.960
it just seems like sometimes it's that aesthetic. I also
880
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:16.000
thought that Unfortunately, Benizio del Toro will misfire with the
881
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:18.239
Wolfman movie that he made. But yeah, I just feel
882
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:22.079
like those templates are so burned in my brain because
883
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:26.559
of you know, Saturday night horror films like Spiguli Hosts
884
00:48:26.599 --> 00:48:27.639
and things like that. You know.
885
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:31.960
But I took my juniors and we did Frankenstein. I
886
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:34.719
you know, we'd talked and I pulled the room, and
887
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:40.440
it's like their version of Frankenstein is that Bud Westmore makeup, sure,
888
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:43.239
and the fact that he didn't talk and you know
889
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:47.840
all the movie tropes, you know, at best maybe somebody
890
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:51.039
knew the monsters, but that was about it. And so
891
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:53.360
when we got to the book, it was, you know,
892
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:57.360
such an astonishing revelations of them that it's nothing like
893
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:00.280
the films, even that you know, the Great Hammer stuff
894
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:01.400
with Luke Cristopher Lee.
895
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:04.360
Yeah, no, I agree. I was lucky enough to be
896
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.760
part of a show called Profits of Science Fiction first
897
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:10.239
and the first episode was Mary Shelley and I love that.
898
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:11.880
They're like, yeah, making sure he was kind of the
899
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:15.119
first science fiction writer. When you think about it. Bus
900
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:15.840
pretty cool.
901
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:18.159
Absolutely, I mean, you know, that's how I teach it.
902
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:21.039
That's great man you know, I was thinking about.
903
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:23.639
The premise of the film, it's bringing life to the
904
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:28.559
dead using science and alchemy, and she definitely you know,
905
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:35.280
gloss over how just some references because you know, science
906
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:36.280
hadn't caught up yet.
907
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:38.920
But you know, it was a reaction to what was
908
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:42.800
going on in the real world and the early eighteen
909
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:46.000
hundreds because that's when they started figuring out about electricity
910
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:51.800
and you know how electricity can can make the muscles
911
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:55.880
like a frog's leg jump, because they were starting to
912
00:49:55.960 --> 00:50:00.480
understand physical forces on the human body or animal bodies.
913
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:04.880
And you know, she distrapolated form that to write her story.
914
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:06.119
That's science fiction.
915
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:09.800
I agree, how much genre fiction are you able to
916
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:14.360
work into an English Department curriculum?
917
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:17.440
More so in my introduction to LID class.
918
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:20.440
So right now we're reading The Hobbit, and when we
919
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:23.000
did the short story unit, it's all the doping stories
920
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:26.559
from the collection of writers in.
921
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:30.519
The American lit class. It's a lot harder. The best
922
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:34.840
closest I get to it is we definitely do a
923
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:36.840
Raymond Chandler story in the spring.
924
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:41.840
Outstanding the Best Man That was I mean grown up
925
00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:44.000
on the movies. And then when I started really reading
926
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:48.199
detective fiction. It really you know, Chandler immediately became an
927
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:49.280
immediate favorite.
928
00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:52.719
You know, if I had the time, I've got I've
929
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:55.840
designed out a genre unit where we do a western
930
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:59.360
and a war story in a science fiction and horror.
931
00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:02.400
And I never had the time. I always run out.
932
00:51:03.639 --> 00:51:09.960
I understand, Well, eventually, eventually, that's all right, school year kids.
933
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:16.239
You mentioned dystopian stories, and I've been I am stunned.
934
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:20.840
And really, Gabe Hartman and I like to do obscure
935
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:24.840
movies or movies that have just like people have forgotten about.
936
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:27.599
And I'm betting you know this movie. And in this
937
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:31.880
era of fear of AI, how come no one has
938
00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:35.400
remade Colossus the four Been Project? Remember that involved in
939
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:37.400
that movie.
940
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:42.599
It really was one of the first cautionary tales about computers.
941
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:44.320
Yeah, yea great.
942
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:48.239
By the time the novel was written, you know, computers
943
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:51.440
had started becoming part of the mainstream. Yes, they were
944
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:54.239
large UNIVAC type things, and you know, you did the
945
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:57.960
tapes and you know some people would know the back
946
00:51:58.000 --> 00:51:59.079
computer or someone.
947
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:04.280
Know, you know, computers from the news and IBM was
948
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:05.239
the behemoth.
949
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:12.679
But yeah, that really was a wonderful production. There was
950
00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:14.639
like a movie of the week. If I remember.
951
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:19.039
Totally, I remember it being a three thirty afternoon movie. Absolutely.
952
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:21.519
Man, No, I remember it on Prime Time because I'm all,
953
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:23.800
that's well, but I don't I wonder if it was
954
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:26.239
a theater I assumed it was a theater release.
955
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:31.039
I mean we're pretty young when it came out. I
956
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:34.360
mean it was a feature film. Okay, there you go. Yeah,
957
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:36.519
that's what I thought. And also three books. I didn't
958
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:38.440
realize there are three novels.
959
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:41.760
Well. The interesting thing is, since we're talking Star Trek.
960
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:44.320
The movie was directed by Justin Sargent, who handle some
961
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:46.519
of the better episodes of the original series.
962
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:50.679
Absolutely, no question, man, uh no, it's a it's a tight,
963
00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:53.280
it's a type little movie. And it's like, that's why
964
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:55.559
when you said dystopian, it made me think, because again,
965
00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:58.400
it's from that era of Omega Man and Planet of
966
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:01.119
the Apes and all that stuff where, hey, guess what,
967
00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:03.880
if you're coming for a happy ending, you're not gonna
968
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:05.800
You're not gonna find it in this movie.
969
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:11.920
So you know that, really, you know, every now and then,
970
00:53:11.960 --> 00:53:14.679
every generation you get those kinds of cautionary tales. And
971
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:22.960
with Netflix movie about the missile crisis, that just the Houseamite,
972
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:27.119
don't look up as No, No, the House of Dynamite,
973
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:28.840
the one that just came out, which is telling the
974
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:33.960
story of a nuclear missile attack against the US. And
975
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:38.559
it's told the same story in eighteen minutes from three
976
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:41.159
different points of view, the guys at the radar station,
977
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:43.239
the military, and the president.
978
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:44.199
Wow.
979
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:49.199
And it's at been getting really good buzz. But but
980
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:51.760
we haven't had that kind of a nuclear cautionary tail
981
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:54.079
pretty much since Nick Meyer's the day after.
982
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:58.199
True Man, What Man? Now there was a television events.
983
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:01.079
Holy cow, he'd.
984
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:04.280
Actually scared Reagan, So.
985
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:09.039
Absolutely, I think, yeah, that's interesting though, this new one
986
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:11.559
it kind of sounds like a new spin on fail safe.
987
00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:17.000
Basically, it's not hows dynamic. Sorry that's the where is it? Anyway?
988
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:20.239
Just came out getting great reviews. It's been out about
989
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:23.280
three weeks on Netflix and I haven't seen it yet,
990
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:25.719
but everything I've read about it, you know, for me,
991
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:26.519
it's must watch.
992
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:29.760
What are you watching streaming wise? If you have time
993
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:31.079
to watch anything streaming wise?
994
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:33.880
My wife want to carve out a couple hours every
995
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:39.000
every night to sit together and detox, you know, So
996
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:42.559
you know, currently we just watched the fourth parter about
997
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:46.000
the assassination of James Garfield, which was wonderful.
998
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:49.800
I'm just starting it. I I'm Matthew mcfaden, one of
999
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:50.679
my favorite guys.
1000
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:58.119
Well it's Michael Shannon and Bradley Whitford. Yeah, so the
1001
00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:00.360
Offerman's wonderful as Chester are.
1002
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:00.840
Yes.
1003
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:04.920
Anyway, So we just finished that last night. Well, currently,
1004
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:11.920
we finally started the new season of The Witcher High Anxiety.
1005
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:17.239
Just finished The Diplomat with season three, which was great.
1006
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:19.199
I got two to go on The Diplomat. I like
1007
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:21.519
to Diplomatic is one of those shows. I love it.
1008
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:24.119
I don't betch. I like to savor these things and
1009
00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:26.559
stretch it out as long as possible as I love
1010
00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:27.199
The Diplomat.
1011
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:31.079
Yeah, you know when they all drop it once, we
1012
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:36.000
don't spend every night watching all of it. We definitely
1013
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:39.079
dole it out because we want to enjoy it, you know.
1014
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:41.960
So we put six seven, eight shows into rotation and
1015
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:44.840
we'll watch two or three of something, you know, of
1016
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:48.039
different shows depending, but we feel like we definitely try
1017
00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:51.199
and end on lighter stuff. And I have to say,
1018
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:54.199
we're catching up on a show we missed when it aired,
1019
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:59.679
originally called Never Have I Ever, which is a sit
1020
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:05.280
created by Mindy Counting about an Indian high school girl
1021
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:11.039
in California. It is. It is funny and charming, and
1022
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:14.360
as a writer, I am amazed at how much emotion
1023
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:16.760
they can ring out of a twenty three minute episode.
1024
00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:21.960
That's cool, Jady confirms. By the way house in Dynamite
1025
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:26.360
is the title, Oh thank you Jad so very cool. No,
1026
00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:28.760
but that sounds cool. That's good. I gotta be. I mean,
1027
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:30.599
I'm hitting this with Mindy because she kind of let
1028
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:33.079
me down with Velma, the Scooby Doo things she tried
1029
00:56:33.079 --> 00:56:33.840
to make the enemy.
1030
00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:39.199
Yeah, yeah, No one bets one hundred thousand.
1031
00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:42.199
Well, no, absolutely, man, and no, I had a good performer,
1032
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:44.800
good writer normally and everything. And like you said, nobody, Hey,
1033
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:49.639
I didn't know. Chris Chibnall, the showrunner for Jody Whitaker's
1034
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:53.400
Doctor Who Run, did broad Church, which was excellent.
1035
00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:58.280
Yes, yes, which is why I think That's one of
1036
00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:00.960
the reason I was incredibly pointed by what he did
1037
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:03.480
on Who because of how good broad Church was.
1038
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:08.440
Man, and also he did episodes of Life on Mars,
1039
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:12.079
the original that John sim British Life on Mars, which
1040
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:14.480
is much better than the half season we got with
1041
00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:16.719
ABC unfortunately.
1042
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:18.360
About entertaining, and I would have taken more of each.
1043
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:21.280
Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I don't know. I
1044
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:25.159
just you know. Sometimes they take the script, the original scripts,
1045
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:28.199
and they give them to the Americans or vice versa.
1046
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:32.360
And like whenever Harvey Kaitell was giving a line that
1047
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:37.039
Philip Gleisner did properly on the British one, like oh,
1048
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:39.239
once you give your girl a twirl, and I'm like,
1049
00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:42.760
Kitell doesn't say that, there's no way, help kit tell whatever.
1050
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:44.440
You know.
1051
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:47.480
I'm One of the great things about streaming is we're
1052
00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:49.880
now being exposed to a lot of international television.
1053
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:54.440
We have not had the privilege of scene previously. So
1054
00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:57.199
when you get these hit shows and suddenly they're doing
1055
00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:00.840
English language versions of them, it's like, what the original was? Fine?
1056
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:04.480
I so agree, man. And my favorite example of that was,
1057
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:08.719
of course, we have friends Steven MOFFATTV doctor who creates Coupling,
1058
00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:13.519
which absolutely is single singles in England, and then NBC's like, hey,
1059
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:18.280
let's do Coupling, and it's like you've got friends. Relax, No,
1060
00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:21.960
it doesn't work, man, it didn't work. No, it didn't.
1061
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:23.519
It absolutely didn't work.
1062
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:26.480
I mean, there was a French show I really enjoyed,
1063
00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:29.320
Call my Agent. Okay, now I just read that, and
1064
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:32.480
there's going to be an American version. It's like, that's
1065
00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:35.960
a little too inside baseball, because America is nothing but Hollywood.
1066
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:39.519
Yeah, that's true too. I remember Billy Crystal and Josh
1067
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:43.159
Gadd did the comedians and it was based on like
1068
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:46.199
a Swedish comedy and stuff. How about all the great
1069
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:50.960
crime that comes out of the cold, the cold countries
1070
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:53.760
like Norway and Sweden and all that stuff. I'm always amazed,
1071
00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:56.760
a man, they do bleak quite well.
1072
00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:59.239
Actually, given their weather, I'm not surprised.
1073
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:04.320
And the closest I didn't know that Laughing Policeman that
1074
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:08.239
Bruce Dern Mathol movie was based on one of those
1075
00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:12.000
kind of cold weather country movies.
1076
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:13.039
Not sure I knew that.
1077
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:16.719
I was surprised to learn that because I always give
1078
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:18.599
it up to math I mean, I love his comedies
1079
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:22.480
and stuff. But Charlie Vereck laughing policeman, you know, it's
1080
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:25.119
like no, actually, you know, give him the right script.
1081
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:28.039
And of course taking a pelem one two three, and I.
1082
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:29.920
Was just about to bring that up because that is
1083
00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:34.719
it's not a comedy, but he plays it with just
1084
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:38.079
enough sense of humor because he's the everyman in that. Yes,
1085
00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:41.320
you know, Matthew Wins with Robert Shaw, who is just cold.
1086
00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:46.719
It's amazing that I always called it dirty Barney Miller.
1087
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:49.599
It's like r rated Barney Miller, basically because it's these yeah,
1088
00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:52.440
weary cops. They are like, all right, I don't know
1089
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:54.920
how I was gonna, like, you know, hijack a subway
1090
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:56.639
and think he's gonna get away with it, but all right,
1091
00:59:56.679 --> 00:59:59.239
that's what we're dealing with today. Fine. You know, there
1092
00:59:59.280 --> 00:59:59.800
was an.
1093
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:03.679
Artic just recently that reminded us all that as far
1094
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:06.360
as the police are concerned, Barney Miller is still the
1095
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:10.239
closest show to their experiences.
1096
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:14.320
Such a fan, Ron Glass was because of Firefly and
1097
01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:17.320
Serenity at a comic con one of my friends that
1098
01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:19.280
I went to and I got to I got to
1099
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:21.280
talk to him. I'm like, Ron, I'm so sorry, man.
1100
01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:23.519
I'm like, you might be sick of it, but can
1101
01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:25.519
I be the one hundred million person to say how
1102
01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:27.559
much I missed Barney Moller? He goes, I never get
1103
01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:28.519
sick of it. That's totally.
1104
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:32.880
You know, when when Jim McCord came to one of
1105
01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:36.480
the sure Leave conventions because he had been on Battlestar Galactica,
1106
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:38.800
he and I talked at him twelve We didn't talk
1107
01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:40.000
Galactica at all.
1108
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:44.159
Ken McCord, right, Kip McCord, Sorry, ke wait, that's all right, No, no, no,
1109
01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:47.000
you can't sorry man, And again I'm not trying to,
1110
01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:50.000
you know, but but yeah, kept McCord absolutely man. And also,
1111
01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:53.519
wasn't he wasn't he the guy's dad in Far Escape?
1112
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:58.239
I think he was? And he was like an astro act,
1113
01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:00.880
just like John Crichton was on Far Escape and stuff
1114
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:03.159
like that. I like Far Escape. I thought Far Escape
1115
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:06.880
was a weird, weird showing the best way and again
1116
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:10.119
and every man put in that kind of strange situation
1117
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:14.719
and so normal surrounded by all the insanity and stuff that.
1118
01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:17.280
Oh yeah, you know, yeah, fun show.
1119
01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:19.800
Yeah, well you built up it's fan following, you know.
1120
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:24.400
No question, no question. Well again, based on our conversation
1121
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:28.320
and your taste, Bob, I think Thrilling Adventure You Aren't
1122
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:31.840
would be something that people would absolutely find great to
1123
01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:33.719
check out. What else do you want to say about
1124
01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:35.039
the book before we wrap up.
1125
01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:38.599
Well, in the hour we've been talking, went up one percent,
1126
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:41.880
so fifty percent, So thanks everybody.
1127
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:43.239
The system works, Bob.
1128
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:49.320
You know, I I grew up loving the Pulps, which
1129
01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:51.400
I discovered through comic books.
1130
01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:56.280
And being able to, you know, do these and find
1131
01:01:56.320 --> 01:02:01.840
people who shared that affection gratifies me. And hopefully I'll
1132
01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:04.199
just you know, keep rolling these out as I ease
1133
01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:05.639
out of teaching into retirement.
1134
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:09.800
Beautiful man, Well that's a that's a nice that's a
1135
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:12.039
nice way to look at it. And again it's the
1136
01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:15.960
fifth volume. Everybody that's watching and listening, I am putting
1137
01:02:16.039 --> 01:02:18.559
the link in the chat, and I know it's a
1138
01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:21.159
it's a long relist, but it's there for you. It's
1139
01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:23.880
here on screen, but it's also there in the chat.
1140
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:27.119
And again, go to Kickstarter and look up Thrillly Adventure
1141
01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:31.119
Yarns twenty twenty six and it should take you to
1142
01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:34.320
this great project from a Bob Greenberg and the collective
1143
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:38.920
that includes again some of our favorite writers of not
1144
01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:42.320
only comics, but also short stories and novels as well.
1145
01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:44.760
You did it again, Bob, and I and I wish
1146
01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:47.440
you luck with this, and I know it's gonna be Yeah,
1147
01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:49.000
it's gonna be a great volume when you're ready with
1148
01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:53.400
it and everything. So no, thanks for pointing as always, man,
1149
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:57.159
but I'm back. It's having me on sure, man, No,
1150
01:02:57.360 --> 01:02:59.519
come back. You're always welcome when there's something new to
1151
01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:02.639
talk about, Bob. And also you tolerate my Star Trek comments,
1152
01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:07.320
so that's that's a big ques anytime. And hey, listen,
1153
01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:10.320
if you have Amazon Prime, do yourself a favor and
1154
01:03:10.360 --> 01:03:14.960
watch Bob as one of the talking experts on for example,
1155
01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:20.280
the Icons Batman documentary series and Bob's Is that the
1156
01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:22.679
only one you did with for Brian Bob, that's the.
1157
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:24.800
Only one for the Icon series. Yeah, I mean I
1158
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:27.199
I've been a talking head. There was a one hour
1159
01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:30.239
special in the Batmobile a couple of years back when
1160
01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:32.320
I was on that as well.
1161
01:03:34.119 --> 01:03:37.360
I think that might be available on HBO Max in
1162
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:38.880
their in their DC section.
1163
01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:42.079
Yeah, I think they aired on the CW so I'm
1164
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:45.480
sure it's owned by Zaslab and Company.
1165
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:47.840
Yeah, there you go. Yeah, and it's not. I have
1166
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:49.800
a feeling I've seen it on YouTube as well, so
1167
01:03:50.199 --> 01:03:52.280
hunt around for that. But definitely, Bob is one of
1168
01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:56.079
the the big talking heads on Icon all about the
1169
01:03:56.119 --> 01:04:00.320
history of the Batman movies. Uh, and it's uh. As
1170
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:01.559
I've told you before, you did a hell of a
1171
01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:05.119
job about that thing. So thanks so much, my pleasure man,
1172
01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:10.039
Bob Greenberg. Everybody thrilling Adventure Yarns twenty twenty six. That
1173
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:13.320
is the active kickstarter that deserves your attention. To make
1174
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:16.079
sure you check it out and support it. Thanks for
1175
01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:19.480
watching tonight. Philip Kennedy Johnson, another fantastic writer coming on
1176
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:23.119
tomorrow to talk about DC and Marvel stuff.
1177
01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:25.920
You know, at the Baltimore Comic Con, I wound up
1178
01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:28.679
on half my panels would fill up and turns out
1179
01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:29.320
to be a really.
1180
01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:32.639
Nice guy, sweetheart of a guy, Renais Suntsman. And also,
1181
01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:34.440
you know, it's great mentioning the fact that you teach
1182
01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:37.199
high school. He's going to be at a local suburban
1183
01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:41.599
Chicago high school this coming Saturday as a one day
1184
01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:45.920
convention that is supporting after school programs, and hey, man,
1185
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:49.679
that's how I got in a radio after school programs
1186
01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:51.400
and I'm a big supporter of that stuff. So I'm
1187
01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:53.760
happy to have Philip on and talk about that and
1188
01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:56.599
what he's doing with the Hulk and Superman and Batman
1189
01:04:56.639 --> 01:04:59.039
and Robin so that will be tomorrow night on Word
1190
01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:02.639
Balloon Live. Until then, everybody, thanks for watching and listening.
1191
01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:05.000
Stay safe, stay happy, stay healthy,