Pizza, Business, Mob & Prison Stories with George Martorano & Albert Scalleat

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Hey guys, welcome back to Wisecrack Special Edition. John Orlando
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and I over here at Circa. We have some great
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special guests. We've had George Martorano on before, got fifty
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thousand views on YouTube, and we brought him back on here.
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George's back in town. Also bringing my good buddy Al
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Scalliot owns Dom DeMarco's Pizzeria on Charleston, great pizza place,
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old school packed. I was there on Friday night with George.
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I hate to omit this. We couldn't get a seat,
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George Friday night. I didn't know. I hate to say it.
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I didn't know it was going to be that packed.
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It's the summertime, so summertime is the time that any
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locals leave town on vacation. John, we couldn't get a spot. Yeah,
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we had to eat in the kitchen.
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Yeah, I must have missed the indite.
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I gotta be honest with you, John, like I've said,
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I don't want to miss on camera in front of
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our old school guys here. You usually don't want to
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hang out with me because he's got John's got the
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upper rational on this guy. You know, he's got like
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real high end people that he usually I try to
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invite them to dinner. I go to like good, nice restaurants.
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He did come to Carbone last time. Oh, John's one
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of the guys that I talked about. John orders food
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to go, so it's my com He knows I'm paying,
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and he said, well, let me get my girl. I
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think you got a full meal and a dessert.
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I did.
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It's all right, it's no big deal. I got I paid. Wait,
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it's okay, you know it's listen, John, I know what
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your dad doesn't do stuff like that. That's the main thing.
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So but anyway, it's not a big deal to go
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and give me a slice of pie to go to
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I talked about. I'm going to show. He doesn't even
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know it was him. But anyway, so I want to
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let let's talk to Let's see what's going on in
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these guys.
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First.
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I want to start with al Albert. So, Albert, how
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long have you been in this pizza business? How long?
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Sixty years? I opened my first Peach of Me in
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nineteen sixty six in Fresno, California.
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Okay, wait a minute, but you're from back home. What
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are you doing in Fresno?
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I went to Fresnoe to get my master's degree. And
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while I was there, there was a guy had a
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petzie I just opened that. He was from New York.
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He was right across the street from the college, so
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I used to go in there every day MBS with him.
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He's a real nice guy. And he said to me,
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my wife hates California. She misses the season, she misses
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her family. I gotta sell this place, he said, I'm
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trying to get eighty five thousand. That's what I have
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in it. Well, and those that in eighteen sixty six
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eighty five thousand, let me forget about it and have
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two cents. So I said, okay, well, good luck. A
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couple months. A couple months later, I go back in there. Well,
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not a couple months. I used to go in there
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almost every night. But in a couple months he said
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to me, boy, my wife said she's gonna divorce me
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if I don't move back home. He said, I gotta
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sell this place. I gotta get thirty five thousand, thirty
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five eighty five the same to me and have two cents.
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A couple of weeks go by, I go in and
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he said, she told me she's given me two weeks,
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I gotta be back. He said, if I could get
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somebody to take over the lease. I said, how much
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is that least? So I took over the least. That
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was my first pizza. But I knew how to make
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pizza because my aunt. My aunt Sue had a restaurant
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in Allentown, Pennsylvania from the fifties and I used to
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go there and watch this is and everything. But I
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learned how to make pizza there, so when I took
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over the place, I already knew how to make it.
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Now, tell people where you're actually from. What town are
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you from?
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Hazelton, Pennsylvania?
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Did they are? They known him for good pizza in Hazelton?
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I know necessarily you have great Italian food. You could
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go a half hour away to Old Forge and they're
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known for.
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Pizza Forge, the self proclaimed pizza capital. I like the
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square pies. I've been to Old Forge many times. Caro
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and Janelle's and some other place there. I've been there.
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It's more of a Sicilian. I don't know, is that
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Sicilian or no album.
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It's like a Sicilia.
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You have a pie right now, I don't think it's
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on the menu yet. You're calling it a tomato pote. Correct,
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It's a thick, thick pot.
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Tell you what, I love this pie. The reason I
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call the tomato pie is because we use the most
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expensive yellow and red tomatoes you could get in what
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a taste and on our dough. It's a thicker dough
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with this tomato and our ingredients that we put in
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it is. I love it. It's the best pizza I
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ever had in my life.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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It's a great pizza. It really is great. But you
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were also known because of Dom de Marco's You knew Dom.
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You actually went there and you studied under Dom DeMarco,
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the famous Brooklyn pizza place.
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In the Fara Pizza. I had never heard of the
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Fara Pizza until two thousand and four. My son inlaw
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and I, Jeff Lapour, we were getting ready to open
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a hotel on Town Center and the two fifteen here
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in Las Vegas, and we were in the White Plains,
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New York talking to these guys about restaurants, about hotels.
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I'm sorry, and when we got done, we started talking
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about pizza like we usually do, and the guy said,
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we have a pizza place here in Brooklyn called the
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Farah Pizza. It's the best. We gotta take you there.
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And I said to the guy, well, my favorite pizza
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is Dil Lorenzeo's Tomato Pie in Trent, New Jersey, and
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it's still one of my all time favorites. He said,
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we got to take you to the paras. So they
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take us to the Phara. I tasted the pizza. I
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fell in love with it. I said to the girl
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behind the counter. I said, I'm a retired pizza guy
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living in Vegas. I'd love to bring this pizza to Vegas.
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And real cocky. She said to me, my father gets
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offers from the suits on Wall Street all day long.
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We're not interested in doing business on anybody. She walked
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away off me standing there. Oh this was in two
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thousand and four. So every month we went back to
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White Plains, we went to the phara and every month
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she'd bow you again. There was a real pain in
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he asked to tell you the truth. So one day
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she said to me, I'm going to introduce you to
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my brother. He calls the shots around here. She introduced
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me to her brother, Dominic, and for a minute I
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was happy. Then when I got talking to him, I
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said to her, you let me from the frying pan,
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you to the fire him he's worse than you. So
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in two thousand and eight we opened the hotel. Now
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I got cards with my name on. So we go
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to White Plains. We come back, We go to Brooklyn
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and as we're walking in, I said to my son
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and I said, I got a different approach tonight. So
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we go in there and I said to Dominic Junior,
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I said, come here, and I gave him the card.
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I said, we just opened his hotel in Vegas. It's
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not a casino, but it's a beautiful hotel. I want
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to invite you and the whole family come and stay
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as long as you want. You to be my guest.
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And he put the card in his pocket and he
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said to me, why would I want to go to
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Las Vegas. I got everything I want right here on
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my street. I don't even own a car. I don't
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need a car. Everything's on my street. And he turns
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around and he walks away. I wanted to punch him
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in the face, but anyway, I went back to my
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son and I said, let's get out of here.
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We're not eating tonight.
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About two weeks go by, I get a phone call.
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I look on my phone. It's Area seven one eight,
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I said. The only guy I know in Area seven
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one is dom DeMarco. So I picked up the phone
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and answered to real cocky. I said hello. He said
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he Hell, how you doing? I said, lose this? He said, Dominic.
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I said, Dominic who? He said, from the far I said, yeah,
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what do you want? He said, listen? He said.
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I went home.
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I gave that card to my wife. I didn't know
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she watched all these shows about the Las Vegas. Now
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she wants to come to Vegas. Does the offer still stand?
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I said, you got to bring your father. He said, Listen,
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he said, my father. He came here fifty seven from Cascert, Italy.
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He said he left fourteen times. He left Brooklyn, always
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to fly back to New York, to Italy, to Concerto.
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He said, he's not coming so anyway, long story short,
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Junior came with his wife. He stayed for a week.
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At the end of the week, he said to me, look,
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he said, the reason we never did anything with anybody
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is because we get everything from Italy. Aur ingredients are imported.
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They're very expensive.
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He said.
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My father's brother works in the cheese plant in Concerto
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where they make the buffalo motts. He said, his cousin
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works in the tomato factory. He said, we get everything.
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My father said, nobody will do it. They'll ruin our reputation.
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He said, I think, I know you guys will do it.
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Not I think, he said, I'm going to talk to him,
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he said, but he's got the last word. So he
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goes back to New York. He calls me. He says,
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my father says, come on a Sunday, because over there
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on Monday and Tuesday they were closed, and then Wednesday
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to Sunday are open noon till four. Then they close
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from four to six. The old man's got to take
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a siesa wow. And then they opened sixth day or
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six to nine.
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I'm sorry, amazing.
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So anyway, we go on a Sunday, we go back Monday,
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we meet with him and his father. Now we go
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in here in the morning. It's nine o'clock in the morning.
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They're drinking wine, wine mixed with it the coca cola,
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and I so here I am nine o'clock in the morning.
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I don't even drink, but I didn't want to embarrass
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the guy, right, So now I'm drinking wine. That's nine
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and the morning we'll buy ten. I feel my face
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getting red and I'm starting to sweat. Anyway, he said to me, Paez, Oh,
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I know what he meant, and where you come from
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in Italy? So I remember when I was a kidneys
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the letters from Italy airmail. They used to come every Friday,
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and they were red and white on the envelope and
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with the return address said free the Chendra province of Deerno.
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So when he asked me where I was from, I said,
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free the Chenda province of the Salerno. And he starts laughing.
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I said, why are you laughing? And he said I
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was in the Italian Army a two year over there.
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He said, A who to people? Who to people? An
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hour later we shook hands. We made a deal. That
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was in two thousand and eight. We never signed the
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paper a handshake. He lived up to his word. I
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lived up to my word, and we're here now. It's
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what twenty twenty six.
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That's a great story.
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True story, unbelievable.
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The other impressive thing I heard in that story was
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in four you were opening a hotel onn Center drap
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It's still there.
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It's called the Element. We opened it in two thousand
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and eight and we sold it in twenty fourteen, but
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it's still there. It's a great hotel.
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Classic. But in fourth like that whole side of town
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was what was there?
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Oh no, it was coming along.
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It was Red Rock already there.
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Yeah, yeah, Red Rock opened in six. I started coming
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to Vegas in sixty six. I came in September. Caesar's
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opened in August. I stayed at Caesar's for a month
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for free. But I'm not going to get into that story.
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But anyway, at that time in sixty six, there was
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nothing past Decatur, and then as the years went by,
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there was nothing past Rainbow Wow. And eighty eight I
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bought us in Painted Desert. So when we were at
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least to being a casinos all night long, when we
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would leave the strip to go to the place in
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Painted Desert, when we went past Rainbow, there was nothing
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until you got up there, and then there was the
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Santa Fe on the right. But that's how much Vegas
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has your own.
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It's incredible.
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The original the Pharaoh is still there. It's Avenue J
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in Midwood. It's in Brooklyn, real famous place for people
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to Like you said, people don't leave the neighborhood. They
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don't have cars. You know, back when we were kids,
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you don't have cars. You use the public transportation or
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you walk. That's it. And if you live in the
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city or Brooklyn or one of the burroughs like that,
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that has everything around you. So let me ask you,
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are you using that sink because you make a pie,
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your your crust is just unbelievable. You your your sauce.
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Are you using the pharaoh recipes where you're actually using
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the products they used?
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Absolutely? We still to this day now. Nate Caputo in
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Chicago is my cousin, and he's got delicious cheese. You know,
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capudo cheese. Everybody knows that a lot of people use it.
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I can't use it because Dominic use Pollio and I
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told them I'm gonna. I don't want somebody to go
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to Brooklyn at the Fars and have a pizza and
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then come the next week to doms and say, oh
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this is isn't the same. That has to be the same.
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So we still use everything, and it costs me a
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lot of money to get it now here in Brooklyn.
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Everything comes to Brooklyn over here if it's coming from Italy,
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it goes to Miami. From Miami, it goes to Chicago.
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From Chicago, goes to Phoenix. From Phoenix. That comes to me, Wow,
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and that costs money. But I do it because I
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wanted to be the same as said Don Demarcos.
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And I'm gonna put you on a spot. He yeah,
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I don't understand the happy hour, Like why do you
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I was just there with George Friday. Now you couldn't move.
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What's the purpose? You get fifty percent off the tell
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them what you're do in the hours, and you do
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this in the days you're doing it.
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I'm gonna tell you the whole story how it even
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came about. It was in twenty thirteen, and we would
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get real busy for lunch, and then about one point
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thirty two o'clock it would die and we wouldn't get
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busy till five. So about three o'clock, an older couple
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comes in. Now there's nobody in the restaurant except the
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help in me and the husband's looking at the menu,
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and the wife grabs them by the shoulder and she
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said to me, I don't want to eat here. There's
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no customers. And they turned around and they walked out.
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So I called the manager over and I told them
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what happened. I said, I don't like this. I said,
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I got to do something.
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Well.
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A week later, I come up with a happy hour.
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I said, from two to four from now on, every
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pizza and the joint is going to be half price.
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And then I said, noz not only pizza, beer, wine, liquor, everything,
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have price two to four every day, every Monday to Friday.
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Oh have price and and.
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And did port that? Dave Portnoyd came over and gave
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you guys a great review.
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Right, he gave us the highest score in Vegas. Now
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I'm gonna that's another story, another story. He gave us
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a seven point nine. Wow, it's a big score. He's wait, man,
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now listen, it's the highest score you ever gave anybody
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in Vegas. However, in Brooklyn he gave us a nine
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point four. So when Dave left, I called Dom de Marco.
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I said, hey, I said, I don't understand, I said,
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he said our pizza was thicker. I said, did you
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change anything since I've been there? Because I went there
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like two weekends a month for a year, for no
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for more than a year, for two or three years,
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learning how to do everything. So I called. He says, no,
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he said, we didn't change anything. I said, well, you
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got to come out here because Pornoy said our pizza
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was thicker. The next day he flew out.
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Wow.
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So now I'm in the office. He's there about two hours.
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He comes walking in the office. He said, I found
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out the difference. I said, what is it? He said,
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he said about three years ago. He said, we start
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stretching our pizza from an eighteen install in nineteen. He said,
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you're still stretching to eighteen. We stretched it tonight. I said,
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Jesus Christ, I mean Portnoy found out he noticed that much.
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I mean, that's how sharp that guy is.
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Means a lot in a lot of different areas of life,
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pizza pizza being so, yeah, that's good to know. No,
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that's good to know.
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So let me tell you about the see uh. I
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could tell you so many stories, but I'll tell you
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two stories. Well, when I was working with the old man,
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you know, he hardly spoke English. So he said to
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me one day when we were learning how to make
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the doll, he said, a blind a man, I could
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make it the doll. I said, Dominic, what do you
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mean a blind do man, I could make it the doll.
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He said, it's all into the field. I need a
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more salt, I need a more yeast. They need the
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more water. I said, Dominic, how do you teach somebody
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that that's.
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All in the field?
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Like?
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But with the Italians, we all know my mother didn't
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have recipe cards. They do it by pinch.
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And the thing you need all right, now, you say
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a pinch. We were there and he said, a pinch
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of this. I said, Dominic, I can't tell people to
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pinch your hand for it. I said, go get the scale.
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I said, we got to measure it. He didn't have
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a scale.
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Wow.
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So I had a guy with us. I sent him
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and he bought a new scale. He come back so
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we could measure everything so I could get the right recipe.
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Unbelievable, unbelievable. What's your what is your address?
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There on ninety seven eighty five West Charleston.
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It's in the Smith shopping Center.
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It's in this bit shopping center on the corner at
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Charleston A while pie. It's a mile east of Red
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Rock Station.
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Two to four pm happy hour. And my friends that
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have Miles to Memory podcast, they read they rated all
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the pizzas in town, and they put you right there
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at the top. So those those guys I absolutely love.
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But now when you go in so I like my
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pie well done, I can't get a well done pie
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in this town. Do I come in and I ask
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for well done, you will get a well done pot.
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Absolutely. In fact, we make most of our pies well done,
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well done. But when we came here and we opened up,
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the people from Las Vegas and the people from California, they.
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Don't like well done.
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Yes, so we had as a little bit on the
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time of cooking. But we'll make one of the things
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that diamonds will make anything any way you want it.
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And I wanted to talk about one more thing. I
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want to tie up too long. Chicken parm Yeah big,
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I'm a big chicken parm Gus is phenomenal. I'm a
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big chicken farm guy. Now I go around all the
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good restaurants like John and and my friend here Bill does,
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and there's some places have a really good chicken farm,
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but I think ours is better.
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Now.
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I was in one place and I'm not mentioning any names.
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And I had a chicken partment.
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It was good fifty two dollars. I got a better
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chicken farm at Doms for twenty six. Yeah after see
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Doms is only known for pizza because we've been with
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pizzas you know from Dominic the Fire Pizza from sixty six.
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But we have great pasta, we got great chicken, ourganzanias
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out of this world.
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You're Penny Alivak, You're Alo Vaka sauces.
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I'm believable, fantastic. And now besides the regular vodka sauce,
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we're making a hot sauce calibrats, a Calabrian Rigatoni sauce,
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and people are it's going crazy now talk about pizzas.
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We make all the standard pizzas and we don't change that.
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It's all the Marcos. But you know, we've been there
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for sixteen years now, so we make new things. Now
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I'm going to tell you about some of the new
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things we're making, which is this tomato pie, which is
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a thicker pie. I love it and it's out of
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this world. We make a clam pie now. Frank Peppe
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in nineteen twenty nine invented the clam pie on Wooster
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Street in New Haven, Connecticut. Now, when I was a
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kid in the forties and the fifties. We had a
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friend in New Haven. We used to go for four
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weeks every summer, and the guy was a barber. We
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had a barbershop right next right next to Peppees, so
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we'd hang in the barbershop, then we go over Peppies
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for pizza. Now I make a clam pizza. I say,
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Frank Peppe invented that. I improved that. If you like
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clam pizza, you got to come to them. The Marcus
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out of this world.
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That's a great pie. It's a white pie and there's
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no red sauce.
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That's white right, and clams are in this shep clams.
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I love clam pizza. Silk said, I love Wooster Street.
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I've been on there many times anytime. My favorite, two,
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of course, are PEPs. I like Peppi's a little more to.
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Sally's Sally if there's something you know.
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I love Sally's.
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Though Sally is Peppy's brother in law. He worked at
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Peppies for years. They had a little argument the open
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up down the street.
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I have had a great, great pizza Sally's to go,
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but Peppi's I like a little bit better. There's a
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little bit better. Location is unbelievable that that famous streets
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park there. And it's more than that, there's like five
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pizza places on that block and a real old school section. Well, great, Albert,
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I'm glad, glad you came on. And two minutes wound
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up being twenty minutes. That's okay, I love it. We
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could talk about the old days.
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There's a reason why Georgie spends all his days at
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Don DeMarco. Yeah, because he grew up with good Italian food.
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His cousin is Steve Morderano has that famous restaurant, and
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everybody in Georgie's family there were great cooks. So he
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hangs out at Doms because he gets the food he likes.
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It's the best.
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And I know you give us, give me and John
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ten percent off. That's wonderful. Thanks, thanks, thanks Albert. All right,
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my man, George, let's let's say again again. I met
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George through Albert uh through one of Albert has a
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hot dog thing twice a year. We has all different
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kinds of hot dogs, and that's where I met I
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met George. But we put George on our podcast, and
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like I said, John and I had tons of views
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and even some nice shorts. So at the time we
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were talking about George did how many years thirty years,
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thirty two plus years and five years in the hole
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solitary confinement, the hole. But anyway, you were talking the
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other day he said, I said, what are you doing?
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What are you been doing that? I guess, well, I'll
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like to explain it. So what are you doing now, George?
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A couple of years later, since we had you on
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that originally, I've had some shorts with you since then. Now,
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but now what's going on?
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Now?
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You still have the grow father? I see is it
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on there?
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Yeah?
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You grow father father?
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Okay, we surpassed. We're manufacturers. We sell to dispensaries in
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the state and new We sell basically to every dispensary.
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And we basically took the manufacturing industry by creating a
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good product.
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We are our main goal is not money.
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We do good product that doesn't go to We won't
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want to harm anyone. And the Grandfather so is selling
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so much that we were approached by the government. The government.
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Of course we have such a good reputation. I have
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such a good reputation. They want me to ministry cannabis
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and gummies to homeless vets and we're doing a pilot
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program in the state of Delaware. The reason why, about
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three hundred a day in America vets die from bad drugs,
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and that's not counting the bad drugs that make them
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more ill long term illness. So a guy like me
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that did thirty two years in prison, now the government
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wants me to help them to solve a problem. We're
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doing a public program. If it does well, they want
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me to assist the whole United States. Imagine that.
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It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. And so you, Albert and I
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with he went to a see you at the Mob Museum.
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You had a nice turnout for Are you still going
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around giving seminars or speeches or shows? Are you still
482
00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:29.440
doing that? You've done a couple of them.
483
00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:33.200
Well, I got out of prison in twenty and fifteen,
484
00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:36.559
and I was booked all over the country. Matter of fact,
485
00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:39.960
Seattle was my biggest booking. It was called the Seattle
486
00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:44.200
Hemfest Festival the third week of August, a quarter million people,
487
00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:48.319
nine stages. I used to come out on stage and
488
00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:53.039
be twenty thirty thousand. They had nine stages. So I
489
00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:58.920
got off to a good start. COVID really hurt that organization. Organization.
490
00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:02.680
So what what we do is, basically we do the
491
00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:04.279
reason we're the biggest in Jersey.
492
00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:07.559
I do an awful lot of podcasts. I do an
493
00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:11.480
awful lot of shows. I do it all for grant me.
494
00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:16.279
It's just pretty good product. And I don't I don't
495
00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:20.279
tell a lie that does. That'll backfire. I do not
496
00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:24.839
tell a lie. And now we're going into Massachusetts. We're
497
00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:25.880
going into New York.
498
00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:28.480
Uh, it's just going and on.
499
00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:31.480
We're going into Nevada with one of my other brands.
500
00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:36.480
Speak of other brands. So John has a studio in
501
00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:40.319
Vocal right, Yeah, Gone Sick Post, Sticky Post, same thing.
502
00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:42.359
No, it's a podcast Vocally.
503
00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:45.640
Tones, Sorry, podcast podcast junk Bocal.
504
00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:47.240
We're telling, we're telling.
505
00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:52.359
Joey films right the Skinny with Joey Malino. He films
506
00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:55.680
in Johnson the studio there. And you told me h,
507
00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:58.480
because you're very close to Joey. So are you getting
508
00:23:58.519 --> 00:23:59.920
into a skinny Joey's sport?
509
00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:04.759
Yeah, we already, we already made the moves with the
510
00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:10.319
attorneys and everybody to right we were we got he.
511
00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:12.519
Joey's so popular.
512
00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:17.319
That they're actually fighting for him in different townships and jerseys.
513
00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:19.839
They're off, they're giving us some great offers.
514
00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:24.640
We don't know what to do, and we're probably gonna
515
00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:27.920
We've got it on the fast track. Twelve to eighteen months,
516
00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:31.319
we'll be opening in South Jersey Skinny Joey sports Bar,
517
00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:34.720
but the state of the art, very classy, very great food.
518
00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:38.480
We're gonna have snuff. It's gonna have his own little snuff,
519
00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:41.640
a sportsbook, and uh, we're gonna have a stage and
520
00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:45.000
this and that. And uh, incidentally, me and Al been
521
00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:48.400
trying to bring Skinny joe situation here in Vegas.
522
00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:51.440
So that's that's still going on, right.
523
00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:57.119
I mean, uh, I think in calculations and in the
524
00:24:57.279 --> 00:24:58.319
social media.
525
00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:03.640
He's hitting worldwide millions a day.
526
00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:05.559
Oh yeah, that millions a day.
527
00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:08.720
That's special on Netflix. I thought was great. I can't
528
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:11.680
think the actual name. But John, you said Philadelphia versus
529
00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:15.279
Philadelphia vers of my I thought it was. I learned.
530
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.079
I learned things on there. I didn't know I learned.
531
00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:19.880
But by the way, Joey had nothing to do with that.
532
00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:21.799
He even said it. I had nothing to do with that.
533
00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:23.960
But oh, you were on it. Wait a minute, you
534
00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:24.359
were on it.
535
00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:26.480
I was in I had a cameo. It was a
536
00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:29.640
three hours. A couple of times we had a cameo.
537
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:32.359
I was a cameo in the first hour, bigger cameo
538
00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:33.039
in a third hour.
539
00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:35.680
Yeah, but I told him I was in prison when
540
00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:38.000
that all went back, right right right, So you know,
541
00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:40.839
you never want to be just repeated myself, you never
542
00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:41.240
want to.
543
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.319
Be caught in the falls sure to the sure public.
544
00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:49.240
So right now I'm shooting another doc. I might bring
545
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:50.200
Joey in on it.
546
00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:54.400
Okay, cool, Oh yeah, he's just so big. He is
547
00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:57.640
he is he is. Now. Uh, let you know there's
548
00:25:57.680 --> 00:25:59.960
a cheese steak place in town, because we'll talk about
549
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:02.119
anyone good in bed, and there's a chief steak place
550
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:05.880
in town that came here. I thought it was very good.
551
00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:08.000
The guys from South Philly. I think I told you
552
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:11.240
he's supposedly when I went that day he was in
553
00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:15.039
South Philly. I thought it was very good. The meat
554
00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:17.559
was great, the cheese was great. They brought Cooper Sharp
555
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:22.319
to Vegas. It's called Chaise, but I thought the location
556
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:26.240
was rough and there's no signage. But yet he's he's
557
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:29.200
pretty packed. He's getting the word of mouth. But it's
558
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:32.079
in town that called town Centers. It's on the Strip
559
00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:35.880
Square town Square and you have to park and walk
560
00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:37.279
by the movie did Or. It's kind of a pain
561
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:39.599
to get to. But he's getting his rolls from back home.
562
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:40.640
Yeah.
563
00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:44.359
Well, if we do something here and Vega's going to
564
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:46.920
have to have the rules flout. Matter of fact, we
565
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:50.960
have a meeting right after the show with Mob Museum
566
00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:53.759
at a very year Now. I'm trying to convince them
567
00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:58.119
and listen to his skinny Joey cheesesteak or their property.
568
00:26:58.839 --> 00:27:00.839
So we have a meeting right it right after this.
569
00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:03.200
So they have one in Wildwood, right New Jersey. Oh
570
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:05.319
my god, is that on the board book? Yeah, but
571
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:06.720
that means it's only gonna be seasonal.
572
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:10.480
No, yeah, and the boardwalking wild with season Oh my,
573
00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:10.839
guess what.
574
00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:14.000
Okay, they're gonna close the second day October or something.
575
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:17.720
Yeah, but the second day it was a line around
576
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:18.119
the blouse.
577
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:18.599
They're packed.
578
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:21.119
I've seen the videos and the money they invested, which
579
00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:24.279
is Sarah's money, they already got it back. That's how hot.
580
00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:26.880
Wow, that's how hot skinny to go.
581
00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:27.759
Wow.
582
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:30.000
You know, I love him. I was with his dad
583
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:35.119
for many many years, and how I was now goes
584
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:39.400
back with me and my family, man and man, so well,
585
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:42.480
we took all that negative stuff and we do nothing
586
00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:43.240
but positive.
587
00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:45.279
Probably the greatest thing you said. You took all that
588
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.200
negative stuff and and and got away from that genre.
589
00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.400
And and you're and you're doing the Uh you know,
590
00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:53.880
you took me to the saloon there, which I've never
591
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:56.359
been to. You and I I walked in you and
592
00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.799
one of your friends, and uh, I thought that that
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00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:02.559
restaurants shocked me. Now, Albert, you you've probably been there
594
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:04.640
a million times a year. Oh, I've never been there.
595
00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:07.920
I couldn't believe how good it was. It's right in
596
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:10.680
the middle of nowhere, and and it was and have
597
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:12.920
they been there for fifty years or something? Sixteen years
598
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:15.240
November unbelieved. So you've been going as as your kid
599
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:18.079
and you yeah, you're right across.
600
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:20.240
My father owned it when.
601
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:21.000
I was a little boy.
602
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:25.480
Right, and then during a saloon with the owner is
603
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:28.000
a dear dead friend of mine, like how he used
604
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:28.880
to babysit me.
605
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:31.319
Wowfar we go there?
606
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:32.920
Is it Italian?
607
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.240
Does Richie? Haven't? Is that considered an Italian restaurant? I
608
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:37.160
can't believe the name.
609
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:37.440
Of the saloon.
610
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:39.200
I would pass it right by on the street. I
611
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:41.920
would say, that's a saloon, that's a bar place you
612
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:42.880
know someone to get drink.
613
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:48.119
That places years ago before I went to prison. He
614
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:51.319
used to have a pony and a couple of hours
615
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:52.960
a day. He used to tie the pony up in
616
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:53.839
front of the stone.
617
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:57.759
You're kidding me. In South Philly, they got a wow.
618
00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.440
One thing is one thing we talked about the other day.
619
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:03.279
One thing we talked about the other day was, Uh,
620
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:08.400
these tomato pies in Trenton, and it's a it's a
621
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:11.240
so it's what Albert has is different. It's a thick one.
622
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:14.200
The tomato pie was a thin tomato pie. I think
623
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:16.640
it was pretty thin. And in Trenton there was a
624
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:18.640
couple of De Lorenzo's. I don't know if they're still
625
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:20.839
even there. You have to tell me. Anzels moved out
626
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:21.279
of Fenton.
627
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:22.079
They got through places.
628
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:26.039
They moved that Robinsville, New Jersey and the r E
629
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:26.440
p A.
630
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:30.000
Okay, so they moved out in there. Uh do you
631
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:32.119
have you guys had have you had the Toreada pie?
632
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:36.799
On tomato pie? I grew up very ethnic neighborhood. We
633
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:42.119
had three Italian bakers, very prominent, prominent in the old way,
634
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:46.319
not not you know, like delivering in other parts of
635
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:50.960
the suggestion. In our neighborhood, so it was always mom
636
00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:57.079
and pop operations. So the father would get up at
637
00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:00.839
two in the morning and make the dough, and he
638
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:06.240
always had leftover dough. That's when your town he worked
639
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:08.200
up two in the morning. You make his dough to
640
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:13.680
go out to the customers. The mother, the mother the
641
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:17.440
leftover dough. She used to come and roll it out
642
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:22.400
to be big at his table, roll it out, and
643
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.640
then she would go which she had in a refrigerator,
644
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:28.359
some kind of sew me some kind of tomato sauce,
645
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:32.200
whether it's just plain with meat or fish inever. And
646
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:35.519
then us little kids, me especially me and my guy,
647
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:38.519
we used to hooky school. If you had a nickel,
648
00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:42.240
dime or a quarter, and she would you give her
649
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:45.680
a nickel and she cut a piece. You give her
650
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.960
a dime a bigger quarter, and that's how it's called
651
00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:52.279
tomato pie. We never heard pizza the word pizza pie.
652
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:56.319
Two years later. We never seen cheese on it. That's
653
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:59.599
we every day. If you hooky school like me.
654
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:03.400
Wow, I was trying to find this baker. I was
655
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:04.319
trying to a search on it.
656
00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:08.119
I put, I know the baker, your token, it's on
657
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:08.759
twelfth Street.
658
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:11.720
I put bakery in South Philadelphia. Eight hundred of them
659
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:16.200
came up, everyone's I put the search into her. There
660
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:17.400
was a bakery there.
661
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:20.319
On twelfth Street tomato specialized in tomato.
662
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:21.880
So friendly to me. He gave me a tour to
663
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.279
building a tour in the place. It's been there for years.
664
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:26.000
It's right a crush from I think it's a primo
665
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:29.240
Hoge's or about the Hogy sub right there, right next
666
00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:31.599
to it. But yeah, twelve Street and that bakery there.
667
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.640
Could be caustious is that he's specialized in tomato pie.
668
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:40.119
But he only makes so many, especially on Sunday morning.
669
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:42.359
He only makes so many, and you have to be
670
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:46.000
a steady customer. Now, my mother got rest her soul,
671
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:52.000
and my good buddy Stevie every Sunday he did a
672
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:54.400
tomato pie and bring it to my My mother didn't
673
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:57.440
eat pizza pie. She made tomato pie because that's what
674
00:31:57.640 --> 00:31:58.279
she was raised on.
675
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:01.119
I found that it is Castias. That's the street right
676
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:01.880
therecause I've seen that.
677
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:04.400
Bakery, you know what, that right right on the corner
678
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:05.160
little street right.
679
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:08.039
Next to right next to Primos. So I was told
680
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:11.440
about this place. It's a bakery, but yet they make
681
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:14.720
all these little thin pizzas, these pizza that's it. And
682
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:17.720
basically you go in and as Italian read this, pastry, this, that,
683
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:21.319
and then they have of course they have these pizzas.
684
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:23.000
But I thought it was great. And I was like
685
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:25.680
the guys like, please please try a cheese steak on
686
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:27.559
a pizza. I was like, I don't know about it.
687
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.880
It was great steak on a pizza. You could see
688
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:32.400
that one in the middle of the she steak and
689
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:33.920
it was just just a great play. But I'd never
690
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.759
seen that before in my life. Only in philadelf only
691
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:40.279
in South Philly at bakeries are making these tomato pies.
692
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:42.519
So I thought that was really interesting.
693
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:47.240
Even in all those years in prison, we had pizza
694
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:48.079
once a week.
695
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:49.240
How'd you get that?
696
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:54.240
What the kitchen made the pizza? And I said, of course.
697
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:56.039
I used to have a lot of respect as the
698
00:32:56.119 --> 00:32:58.160
years went by. I used to go into the kitchen
699
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:02.200
and tell them, tell listen, you make the pizza, but oh,
700
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:05.599
pitt a side, make me and they're big pants, you know,
701
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:07.880
make me a tomato pi. What do you mean don't
702
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.519
put no cheese not on, just just a tomato?
703
00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:11.920
Wow?
704
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:13.519
Wow, wow, even in prison.
705
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.240
Yeah, you told a story about prison, and you told
706
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:19.480
the story about Tony Cilano, Fat Tony, fat Tony.
707
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:23.680
I never knew you do them. I was, you know,
708
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:28.440
I forgot. My father was my driver from my godfather,
709
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:31.319
Andelo Bruno was the boss for twenty two years, right,
710
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:37.720
and I had just sixteen. I just got my and
711
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:42.440
I finagled with h for Tompkins Chevrolet. They were friends
712
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:46.039
of my godfather and my father. I finagled the brand
713
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:55.720
new Camaro, brand new Camaro, and my father at that
714
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:59.440
time went away for contempt. He had to do a year.
715
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:01.559
I'm sixteen years old.
716
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:04.519
I used to work at the vending company. I got
717
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.720
a brand new Camaro. My godfather calls, would come and
718
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:13.079
see me, and I switch up. I said, you gotta
719
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:16.880
drive me? Like, what do you mean you have to
720
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:20.360
drive me? He was very whiz wise, a lot of wisdom.
721
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:24.320
He said, if I get another guy to drive me
722
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:28.039
around one of our friends and your father comes home,
723
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:31.440
I got to tell that gentleman Raymond's back.
724
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:34.920
Of course, it seems like it cours it's dead blood.
725
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:36.639
So I gotta drive it.
726
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:39.599
So he at that time, he went to New York
727
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:44.960
every two weeks and he always went to a hunting
728
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:49.639
I think Fat Tony was one hundred and twenty fifth Street,
729
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.440
and I used to go there, and you know, they
730
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:56.519
would sit there, and I said, I knew I knew
731
00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:59.920
fat Tony from a little boy. So so he pad
732
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:02.239
and then I was with him in prison with the
733
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:07.119
commission case. And but I used to disappear. Yeah, they
734
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:09.039
were over there talking to this whole court.
735
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:13.400
I used to disappear. And that time Harlem was all black.
736
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:17.599
But for some reason, call my boy. Nobody bothered me
737
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:26.599
and a funny story. They wanted the message delivered. Tony
738
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:29.880
was the boss, but Chin was the underbosses. They wanted
739
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:33.159
a message delivered to him. And he's on the west
740
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:39.800
west side and uh and uh, I said, what the
741
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:40.639
hell his area?
742
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:41.519
What was his area?
743
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:47.119
Chin Granted's village. Yeah, so I go to west side
744
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:52.559
of Grantis village, right, and I'm sixteen years old. Should
745
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:54.239
I go in one building? And he go down to
746
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:58.079
the basement and there was a tunnel elaborate. He went
747
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:02.119
through five six buildings. I finally found him. He's in
748
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:06.880
a basement of one of these buildings. I'll never forget.
749
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.840
He's got his a robe on, he's got his foot
750
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.760
up on the desk with to put your knife, and
751
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:17.280
he's carving his toes. So I give the message. I
752
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:19.519
don't know what the message ran. I give the message,
753
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:21.840
and I said, right, I'm going to go, and you
754
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.840
cannot go. I said, what do you mean. He had
755
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:27.880
a rope top desk where his foot was. He was carving,
756
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:33.719
and he had the Blessing Mother Saint on top of
757
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:36.519
the desks. He said, you had to say prayer for me.
758
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:38.880
She'll listen to you.
759
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:43.079
You're innocent. These other guys that come down here, she
760
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:48.360
ain't listen. So I said to him, Mary said to him,
761
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:49.360
Mary got up kiss me.
762
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:51.960
So that you know how a point.
763
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:54.480
So I'm saying to myself, let me.
764
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:55.159
Get out of here.
765
00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:57.239
Let me get out of here.
766
00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:59.599
And I go through the laborate tunnel way.
767
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:01.719
And that was the That was the life.
768
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:06.199
So I never knew this. Now, I love those old
769
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:10.320
movies and stories and documentaries. So fat Tony Solano was
770
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:13.480
the boss and Vincent the chin gigante was underneath him.
771
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:14.760
Yeah, I did not know that.
772
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.360
Okay, then when Tony died one away. He died, then
773
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:18.519
Chin became the boss.
774
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:22.920
Well, now Tony uh hey knew when he got three
775
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:26.639
indictments back to back indictments, so he said, well, I
776
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:28.760
gotta I'm fighting for my life. I can't.
777
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.360
I don't have So he Chin.
778
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:32.800
Took it all.
779
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:35.840
And you know a movie that has grown on me
780
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:39.840
that at first I was expecting more, but now it's
781
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:43.400
grown on me. I love watching the old school scenes
782
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:46.119
of The Irishman. I know a lot of it's fictional.
783
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:48.960
Maybe the results, maybe it wasn't that guy that killed
784
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:51.960
I understand that that, maybe he didn't kill Hafa, but
785
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:56.239
I love I think Joe Peshi, Russell Buffalo did an
786
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:59.480
unbelievable Russell Buffalino. I love that. But Tony was in
787
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:01.800
jail at the in fat Tony. At the end, they
788
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:04.000
were playing out paying.
789
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:03.960
At that.
790
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:10.000
Sharing Frank sharing the OK to write the book.
791
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:12.800
We were all in Al knows this story. We were
792
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:16.880
rolling Springfield, Illinois. I've been in Springfield twice. The first
793
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:19.880
time was brutal. They had me in a criminal insane unit,
794
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:23.440
try to kill me, brutal. Second time, I wind up.
795
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:27.239
Sometimes when you go from point A to point B.
796
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:31.599
In prisons, you get pulled aside. I'm doing life, no paroles.
797
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:33.639
So that stopped me off at someplace and keep me
798
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:37.159
six months was no big deal. So I was there
799
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:42.719
and Springfield was a big facility, twenty twenty something hundred,
800
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:46.639
and they had a gym, and they had a four
801
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:49.519
going into the gym, and that's where all the mob
802
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:53.119
guys hung out after lunch. They would hang out from
803
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:56.760
about one to three. It's his talk. And I would
804
00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:59.599
go check on them, see what they needed. The Frank
805
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:01.960
share to be there in a wheelchair. In fact, Tony
806
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:05.519
being a wheelchair, Tony Duck's being a wheelchair, Tom Mixed
807
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:13.000
being a wheelchair, Jerry and Julis Butter, Frank Jesus hold wheelchair.
808
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:16.159
I got so prior to that. Frank.
809
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:20.159
I knew Frank years on the street. He hung in
810
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:24.400
my neighborhood. Case says, I got an offer to write
811
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:24.719
a book.
812
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:25.840
I need money.
813
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:27.719
I have a daughter that I want to take care of.
814
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:30.960
They're gonna give give me X amount of dollars if
815
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:32.159
I write three chapters.
816
00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:34.280
Get me the okay.
817
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:36.239
I said, all right, I'm gonna go ask, but you're
818
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:37.360
gonna get shot down.
819
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:42.760
I knew that, so I go ask them the crew
820
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:44.800
all mob voices.
821
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:47.760
I said no, no, no, no. I said, okay, okay,
822
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:51.599
I said Frank. Because I knew Frank, I said, well, sway.
823
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:55.079
A couple of weeks go by. A couple of weeks
824
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:57.599
going by, I said, listen, this guy, he's hurting from money.
825
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:02.800
He's just nieces through, he's his daughter. But then I
826
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:06.360
got a little voice because I could raise my voice
827
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:07.760
because I knew that I had a lot of history.
828
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:08.840
I said, wait a minute.
829
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:14.320
You you got a room full of money. You you
830
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:16.519
got a basement full of money. You you got a
831
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:18.800
house full of money. If you don't want the guy
832
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:22.519
to get break them off, that's how you get these guys.
833
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:26.199
Because now they ain't going in their pocket, they ain't
834
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:28.480
going to part. They said, oh well, okay, as long
835
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:30.960
as he don't hurt nobody. So I got him to
836
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:34.719
be okay. But I tell the truth, bully, I never
837
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:41.159
thought that his hands, his hand, his hands, we're big
838
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:44.639
as this really sharing, I don't think.
839
00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:49.480
And he's got this little typewriter. I never thought his
840
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:52.159
finger I never thought he did.
841
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.440
Anyway, banged it out and that's how he got to
842
00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:59.280
make the book. Uh, we paying Houses. I did that
843
00:40:59.400 --> 00:40:59.719
for him.
844
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:01.920
Wow, I didn't even know that I was live on itre.
845
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:03.559
I didn't even know, didn't know about that.
846
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:05.920
I just know that the movie grew on me, though
847
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:08.199
the book sat for years.
848
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:13.679
No, when the book came out, Robert de Niro optioned
849
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:15.880
it right away, and it took.
850
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:17.639
Years before they made it into the movie.
851
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:21.360
But Robert Denaro did option the book. I don't know.
852
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:24.159
I heard your paint houses at the end of the book.
853
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:27.840
I believe we out we pay Now. Now you've seen
854
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.719
the movie obviously a couple of times. I've seen the
855
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:32.599
movie so many times I'll watch it in the background.
856
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:35.079
I watched the same twenty five to fifty movies over
857
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.119
and over again. I don't why kids hard for me
858
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:39.280
to watch something new. I always tell John, like, well,
859
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:41.320
have rounders on or something in the background, because we
860
00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:44.239
know all the scenes to the movies. We can multitask,
861
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:46.119
go on our phone, do other things. We know what's
862
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:48.119
going on. But that's one of those movies that is
863
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:50.519
at first it was just okay. It grew on me.
864
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.119
The movie grew on me. I love the old scenes.
865
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:57.360
I think the scenes when they had when when Frank
866
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:02.719
Sheeron was was at this big thing for him. They
867
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:04.800
gave him, you know, they put him in the and
868
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:06.199
they gave him a nice ring, and they give this
869
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:10.159
big ceremony for him. In the movie, those scenes when
870
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:17.199
the Joe Pesci character Russell Buffaloo talking to Frank Sharon
871
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:22.360
talking to Oppacno who played Jimmy Hoffa. I love those scenes.
872
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:25.400
You know, some people, not me, some people not me,
873
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:29.360
think that you're not a showing appreciation. I love those scenes,
874
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:33.519
those words. He did a great job. But how fictional
875
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:36.800
was it compared to the truth? All the old school
876
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.239
guys says he didn't he didn't.
877
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:41.119
Know the truth? Who knows the truth? You know? I
878
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:45.039
know Russell very well. I was an eleven words with him.
879
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:47.960
He lived right next door with my Cody Fennett. I
880
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:50.800
know him for years now. But who who really knows
881
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:51.239
your truth?
882
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:51.639
Who knows?
883
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:57.239
Because back then weren't may now I'm paying attention to
884
00:42:57.360 --> 00:42:59.960
that life anymore. But even if you know the truth,
885
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:04.239
if it it evaporates, right and evaporates, as simple as that,
886
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:05.679
I don't now.
887
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:08.320
If you had to name a favorite movie, what would
888
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:08.480
it be?
889
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:08.760
Though?
890
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:12.559
And mob tender of anything? Your favorite movie. Mine's like
891
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:17.519
Casablanca and of course The Godfather, which we like comedies
892
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:18.679
like comedy.
893
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:22.800
We like comedy. Yeah, we love comedies. Okay, you gotta
894
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:25.159
watch the movie The Cobbler with Adam Sandler.
895
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:28.559
Good, Oh my god, Adam Sandler friends with John Orlando
896
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:29.360
and Tony Orlando.
897
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:31.960
You gotta watch the Tony was in one of us movies.
898
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:35.519
Yeah, that's my boy, that's my boy. Yeah, and Weser
899
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:36.880
and then so.
900
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:37.559
Is that a new one?
901
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:39.199
Is that a new movie or why it was a
902
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:41.840
few years. I can't watch comedy now, I can't, like
903
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:44.320
I can watch Caddy Shack maybe or so it's harp
904
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:45.679
me to watch comedy though.
905
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:47.800
It's really one of the doc guys we speak right now,
906
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:50.800
my new documentary I don't have a title for. We'd
907
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:55.719
shooting in n Philly with NPR NPR Studios, which is natural.
908
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:56.599
We're shooting with that.
909
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:58.880
Anything else to promote anything you want to promote anything
910
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.719
going on? If you check away, send my song. Yes
911
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:02.880
he did, he did well.
912
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:05.280
I saved my voice for my latter years in life.
913
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:07.320
Right because I'm giving you a message.
914
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:08.039
Weren't you want to?
915
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:08.639
You had this?
916
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:10.239
This was on a couple of radio stations.
917
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:13.559
Al Right, Yeah, you're signing a messages that your life's
918
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:16.639
never over. There's always something new around the corner. So
919
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:20.800
I'm singing now. I'm working on my second song, Nice.
920
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:21.440
Nice.
921
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:25.320
The first song is Freedom and it's it feels like
922
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:28.639
I'm singing to a woman, but I'm singing to emotion.
923
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:31.800
Oh okay, and I'm trying to I'm trying to get
924
00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:35.519
a copy by by people like Jelly Row, John Legs
925
00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:36.679
and something like that. What are you doing?
926
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:37.000
I hear it.
927
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:38.239
But by the way, what are you doing in Vegas?
928
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:38.920
Just stop by?
929
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:43.119
No, no, we we we may now do awful lot
930
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:46.760
of legitimate things. Meetings every we come out. We have
931
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:48.920
meetings all day long.
932
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:50.559
No I did no, no, no, no, no. I don't
933
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:53.320
mean hear to circle with me. I mean you flew
934
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:56.000
out to Vegas for any specific reason? Are you looking
935
00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:58.239
to get into maybe a Joey's Cheese Steaks here?
936
00:44:58.280 --> 00:44:59.639
I know you. Yeah, we're working on that.
937
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:00.360
I have.
938
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:05.960
Yeah, I'm fortunate enough to develop friendships. Uh, and I
939
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:08.239
have when I'm in town. I've been town to the
940
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:11.320
twentieth I have people coming in from La I have
941
00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:15.960
people coming from Scottsdale, the et cetera, et cetera. I
942
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:19.400
got people coming in actually from the East coast, you know,
943
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:22.239
just they like to hang out and I always bring
944
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:22.920
them to domes.
945
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:25.679
You know. We went to dinner the other night, and
946
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:28.800
I'm going to drive him back. He says, no, I
947
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:30.679
don't want to get rid. It's one hundred and fourteen
948
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:34.000
degrees or six thirty, he says, I'm He gets out
949
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:36.679
of the restaurant and he said, I'm walking. So wait
950
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:38.000
a minute, hold on, what do you mean you're walking?
951
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:40.480
One hundred There was a literally I took a video
952
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:42.639
of it. One hundred thirteen hundred and thirteen degrees. Dropped
953
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:44.000
me off, Yeah, dropped you off.
954
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:46.480
Well, I have a night spot there where we live.
955
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:48.679
Yeah, but but no, we went we went to a
956
00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:51.239
different restaurant, you and I the other day, Remember we went,
957
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:53.000
Oh yeah, we walked down to the restaurant. I said,
958
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:54.239
come on, get in the car. I goes, no, I'm walking.
959
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:55.920
Wait what do you mean you're walking?
960
00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:57.599
That's about a mile from where I live.
961
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:00.079
Two hundred and thirteen He wants to walk at one
962
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:01.960
hundred and thirteen degree And what did I say? I'm
963
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:04.360
responsible for you, I can't. I walk.
964
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:05.679
I like walking a night.
965
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:08.159
I like walking, and I just amazing. And then you
966
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:10.360
still do ice the ice pool or no, you do
967
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:12.840
that when you're back home like cold cold.
968
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:16.079
I'm in the pool with Alice, right, which I love.
969
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I'm in the cool every day seven o'clock. No, three
970
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times a day, three times a day. Three What are
971
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you doing there? Full work full workout? Wow, every two
972
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hours a day every day. Now. I remember during the
973
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winter you were getting in cold the cold pool was freezing.
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You got a pool.
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You got a pool. Usually weather it's cold or hot cold.
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He's in there the coldest days he's in there. Wow. Wow,
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Well you two guys. Was great to have you one.
978
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:44.800
I've never had Albert on a full show like this
979
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and check out. Of course. Tom DeMarco's over there, and
980
00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:51.360
George will be checking in. We'll do some shorts with
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him down the line here, and it was just great
982
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:54.400
to get him back on and see what's going on
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in this world. I love some of the stories. Last story,
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everyone asked me people are in fatuated with John Gotty.
985
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They aren'tfatuated. It is unbelievable that everyone around the world,
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on every continent, I read knows who John Gotty is
987
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:11.199
as big as any of the biggest movie star in
988
00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:14.239
the world. John Gotty is is just just an amazing
989
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:18.239
uh subject matter. George was in with him for how
990
00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:21.280
long in the same cell over two years? Two years,
991
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same cell. And you said that you guys had a
992
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:26.239
little special treatment in there.
993
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Yeah.
994
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:32.079
Did you guys get some special food or special days? Yeah?
995
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:36.480
I got locked up for a sandwich. Made the papers,
996
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:37.039
that's right.
997
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And then the papers he said, I was the connection
998
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:42.320
for the Commission trial, which is the biggest mile trial ever.
999
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:47.039
I was a connection for food, booze and hookers. Wow,
1000
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:50.800
that's what they In fact, Tony read the paper. He came,
1001
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:53.519
he says, came in the room with the cane and
1002
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:57.000
said what I thought we were, right, Georgie, I said,
1003
00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:57.440
what do you meant?
1004
00:47:57.599 --> 00:47:57.679
Oh?
1005
00:47:57.719 --> 00:47:58.599
Where's the hookers?
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00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:02.440
Oh? But let me ask you this though, how it's
1007
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:06.119
amazing that John Gotti would allow someone in his cell.
1008
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:09.679
I'm not saying that. How did you get in with
1009
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:10.880
John Gotty in a cell?
1010
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:14.880
Well? I was over there, okay, and he got indicted
1011
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:18.559
on his first rico and nine South was all the
1012
00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:19.960
mob we were on.
1013
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:25.000
You had you had you had sixteen cells on a tier. Okay,
1014
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:27.360
so that's thirty two guys per tier.
1015
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:31.599
And just so happens, I was in the cell with
1016
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Joe Joe Dockert, the famous IRA. He's a legend. Matter
1017
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.679
of fact, I have a street name then for New York. Well,
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00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:42.280
John he got an argument with a guard about something,
1019
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.440
so they throw him in the hole. My cell. I
1020
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:46.280
don't have a celly.
1021
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:49.000
So John gets locked.
1022
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:53.800
Up that day. We know he's coming to that floor, right,
1023
00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:56.480
He's going to hit that floor about eight thirty quarter nine.
1024
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:58.599
We know that. We know the proceedings.
1025
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:01.000
Now this guy, his crew was.
1026
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:04.079
On the They come and myself and never forget I
1027
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:06.679
was reading. They says, John's going to hit the floor.
1028
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:08.440
You got to take them.
1029
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:11.559
I says, I don't know the guy. I said, why.
1030
00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:14.960
Don't you give me? I knew Ernie Boy, I know Bruno,
1031
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:18.960
Double Kada, you know Mickey Boy, which I just passed away.
1032
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.360
I love Mickey. They're all my friends. So I said, well,
1033
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:24.599
you'se No, you was right, use take them. I'll take
1034
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:25.000
one of you.
1035
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:26.400
That's what they say.
1036
00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:28.920
Oh, we don't want to live with him. You just
1037
00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:29.920
don't want to live with him.
1038
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.679
Wow, Because he at the time we call it is
1039
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:37.320
a word. You call it got some God.
1040
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:41.000
In other words, you can be this way one one minute,
1041
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:43.719
then you'll be violent the next minute.
1042
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:45.320
So like Jack and Hyde, right.
1043
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:50.639
John had that anywhay I side. I had a whole
1044
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:51.519
crew on myself.
1045
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:53.920
They said you gotta take them, you gotta take them.
1046
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:56.639
So I said, all right, So that's I don't know
1047
00:49:56.719 --> 00:49:59.679
what to do, you know. So I had some fruit.
1048
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:03.800
I ate a fresh fruit salad, and I had a stinger.
1049
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:06.039
You know, a stinger make you can make boiling water.
1050
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:09.280
I figure making them a cup of coffee, right, you know,
1051
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:11.599
I know his head's pounding. I even had a couple
1052
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:15.559
of you're in a commonsary, we could order aspirins. I
1053
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:18.519
had something because sure enough he walked in the cell
1054
00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:22.159
by eight thirty quarter nine. I stood up and I says,
1055
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:25.199
you got the bottom bunk. No, no, no, he said,
1056
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:28.840
I'm exact words. I'm a convict. I don't take guys bunks.
1057
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:32.760
I said, don every simple. You're older than me. I'm younger.
1058
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:37.639
I'll take the town. And we had his uh frood
1059
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:40.320
and coffee and then we shook hands. Whatever said and
1060
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:43.159
the sow stays in the cell and we had it great.
1061
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:45.960
Great two years. Wow, great two years.
1062
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:47.880
That was the number one question I asked a question.
1063
00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:49.760
They asked some questions that everyone wants.
1064
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:50.360
I'll tell you what.
1065
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:54.639
On a Sunday football season, he bet ten.
1066
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:57.880
Thousand the game that was from the cell.
1067
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:00.400
Yeah. No, I used to take the bets down to
1068
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:01.199
the jorney room.
1069
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:05.039
Wow, ten thousand. How many games? Sixteen?
1070
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:05.280
Right?
1071
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:09.679
You used to bet one hundred and sixty thousand every Sunday, any.
1072
00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:10.119
Better, every game?
1073
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:11.880
Every game ten thousand?
1074
00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:12.480
How do you win?
1075
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:15.440
He used to win sometime sometime.
1076
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:17.000
Wow.
1077
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:18.920
Then I used to go tell what guy he got
1078
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:21.559
to click from the guy he used to pay. He
1079
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:23.239
was something else. He was something else.
1080
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:26.559
Yeah, that's great. Yeah, that was the number one thing
1081
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:29.400
that people have asked. But great, Okay, guys, hey, special
1082
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:32.599
edition here Georgian. Now appreciate it. John, thank you too
1083
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:34.360
for having them on, and we'll see you next time
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in Watch Cracks.