Frank Parlato on Keith Raniere and NXIVM. (2018)

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Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates
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On tonight's show. We have a very special guest who
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has agreed to take some time out of his busy
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schedule to tell us about his experience with the group
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Nexium n x I V M or i UM that
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has been in the news recently and involves some well
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known Hollywood celebrities Alison mack and was headed by a
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man named Keith Ranieri and out of New York, kind
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of centered in Albany, New York. But this gentleman, his
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name is Frank Parlato. He's done a lot, He's had
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personal experiences with Nexium and also has been writing about
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Nexum four at least three years, notably on his excellent
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blog titled The Frank Report that you can find on
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and he's really kept an eye on this.
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But Frank, are you.
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There, Yes, Sam, William, it is a pleasure to be here.
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Excellent, Thank you very much. I really appreciate it.
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I think that this is an important subject and I
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know that you have I've firsthand information about nexium. So
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maybe you could start by just going through your background
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people who don't know you, and how you became within
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the orbit of this group.
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Well, I'm a publicist and a journalist, and I was
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retained by out of the group Nexium, back in two
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thousand and seven to be their publicist. And back in
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two thousand and seven, they were just beginning to attract
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some adverse publicity. People in the media were calling them
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a cult, and they denied that deemently and asked if
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I might be able to help them put out some
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stories that would show they were really a life coaching
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success teaching type of company that provided a very special
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educational program.
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Okay, and how did how did your relationship continue after
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twenty two thousand.
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And seven, Well, it started off splendidly. And what I
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did was I moved to Albany to work closely with
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the group. And it was funded by two young ladies,
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Claire and Sarah Broffman. And then they may be familiar
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to some of your listeners as it is a famous
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name connected with the ownership of the Seagrams liquor company.
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And these two heiresses, Claire and Sara, in their early thirties,
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were members of this group Nextium.
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Okay, and they were obviously yes, just gonna say please continue.
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Oh, they were very dedicated to the company, and they
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were funding the company, and they paid my salary, and
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I found them to be very, very sincerely devoted to
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the leader of this group nexting him his name, as
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you mentioned earlier, Keith Ranieri, okay.
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And what was he teaching back then in two thousand
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and seven, and what was the external kind of you know,
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self help type of materials that he was provided to
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the public.
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He provided a high intensity course that would extend for
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anywhere from five to sixteen days. It was not an
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inexpensive course. It would run anywhere from two thousand to
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twenty thousand dollars, of course, depending on the type of
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course it was. And they were they started at seven am,
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they lasted till ten pm, and they were called intensives.
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And the idea was to teach people certain life skills
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and critical thinking, to look at the world in a
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way that might be a new way of thinking and
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something that would promote their success both on the outside
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and inside, health and financial success. And there was even
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a little taste of spirituality to try to be more ethical,
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more noble person. This is how it was sold on
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the outside.
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And were they well attended, were they well attended.
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No, not well attended, but there was. They searched for
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the type of student, William that was going to be
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a long term kind of a member. So they might
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have ten to thirty people in the class, but since
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they were ten thousand dollars per class courses, they were
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bringing in money.
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I see.
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And then, how did your public relations relationship continue with Nexium?
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Well, it started off splendidly. I got them. I landed
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some good stories, placed a number of good stories, and
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for the first time they were getting publicity that didn't
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include the word cult. And from the outside, it struck
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me that this group was actually They might be a
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little eccentric, they might have a different point of view,
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but they were entitled to live without being castigated but
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chastised or criticized at every turn. So I began to
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achieve some success for them, and they brought me in
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closer to work on more projects. And I noticed that
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they were a litigious group. They were suing their enemies,
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and there was kind.
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Of who were their enemies at that time?
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Were they ex members, our ex member's ex girlfriend and
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a cultbuster by the name of Rick Ross who had
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publicly condemned them as a cult former consultant by the
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name of Joseph O'Hara, christ Christen Gillibrand's senator Christian Gilibrandt's father,
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Doug Rutney. He settled pretty quickly, so he didn't stand
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the enemy's list. He quickly gave them one hundred thousand
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dollars and ducked out of the scene.
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I see, and so then so you realized that they
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were a litigious group, and this was being funded by
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the two bron Bronfman's sisters correct.
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Right at more than a million dollars a month in
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legal feeste. So I advised them, I said, look, all
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of these litigation matters are not going to be very
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productive for a group that's trying to say it's not
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a cult and a group that's trying to say we're
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a positive life coaching company. Right, they didn't seem to
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interest in that, so I urged them to settle, and
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then I before we really got too much further, they
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came to the surprise one day, just after I had
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been publicized a concert that featured Alison mac Kristin Kruk
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and Nicky Klein in Albany. Uh. They came to me
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the high rank of Nexium Ranieri and his chief lieutenant
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at the time, Nancy Salzman. And in fact, they said,
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we need five million dollars for a project that we're
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doing out in Los Angeles, California.
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Let's see what was that? What was that project?
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Well, it was strange and it got a stranger. The
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five million dollars they needed was for a real estate
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project in Los Angeles, California. Keith had been guiding the
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Brockmon sisters in a Los Angeles project to build million
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dollars plus homes in Los Angeles County on side lots okay,
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and I was a little surprised that the Bronmans would
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need me to fund them. And that's when I discovered
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that the Brothmans had sustained some very substantial losses.
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And what were those losses pertaining to Well.
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They were Keith's guided investments in retrospect. I realized now
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he was swindling them, but at the time I thought
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that there was just some blunders. I went to California
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to check out the project, and I found that there
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was ten million dollars that had been invested out of
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a total twenty six million that never made it into
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the project. Looking a little farther, I noticed that the
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properties that they had a purchased weren't even in their name.
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So I quickly confronted Ranieri's partner and persuaded him to
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sign over the properties to the Brothmans. And then I
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recovered the other ten million dollars. So I recovered twenty
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six million dollars for the Brothmans, and I was wondering
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where the other sixty five million dollars that was missing
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went to, and they informed me they had invested in
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commodities under keys direction, in the commodities market and all
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sixty five million dollars had disappeared.
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Wow, did you believe that that's true, that that disappearance
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into the so called commodities market? Is that authentic loss?
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Or could that have been some type of laundering?
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It was some kind of laundering that these two Brafman
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sisters got swindled out of their money. Vernieri laundered it
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from them to from them to him. But what and
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this is what got me fired, is I I approached
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Claire Brofman and they, after all, were paying my salary
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at Ranieri, and I said to Claire, you know, he
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sixty five million dollars has been lost in the commodities markets.
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I did an investigation. I recovered twenty six million dollars
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for you. I think I'll start an investigation and let
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me see if I can recover some of the sixty
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five million. And I said, do you know for a
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fact where the sixty five million went? Did you Did
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you invest in orange features or wheat or cotton? And
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she says, I know nothing. I trust Keith. He handles everything.
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Smile. That's remarkable.
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If I said, you're well, somepose we look into it.
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And she said, well, I know what happened to the money,
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and what's that? And she said, my father, Edgar Brofman Senior.
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He was the head of the World Chewish Congress and
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the CEO formerly of Seagrams, a billionaire. She said, my father,
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he is so against me being with Keith that he
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manipulated the entire commodities market to uh divests divests of
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this money. That's what Keith said, And Keith would know.
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I see, wow, So that's kind of like a cult
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technique to alienate the children from.
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The parents too, right, do you think that? Okay? That
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sounds like that to me. I don't know. Wow.
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So there's a significant amount of money floating around? And
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do you think that that investment in Los Angeles was
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also another, you know, laundering scheme to swindle the Broton sisters.
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I most certainly do. And I spoiled Keith. I spoiled
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Keith's plan by swooping down and investigating it so quickly.
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He had to, of course, pretend that he was on
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my side. As I recovered this money for the Brothmans.
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What could he say?
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Wow?
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But he thought to get rid of me. And get
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rid of me he did. When I began to look
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deeply into the sixty five million dollars lost in commodities,
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he fired me. And he had enough sway over his
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gullible Brockman sisters that they supported that firing.
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Did you get paid through next to him? Or were
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you paid individually from the Bronkman sisters?
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Was paid by.
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That's even that, okay? And then so now now you've
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been fired.
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This is two thousand and seven, corrector two thousand and eight.
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Two thousand and eight.
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And Kristin Kroig and Alison Mack and I guess this
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woman who's supposedly Alison Mack's girlfriend, Nikki Klein.
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Were married. Were all involved even back then in two
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thousand and eight.
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Yes, they were very involved.
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Okay, so they've had at least ten years or some
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kind of involvement. However, Alison Mac definitely ten years. So
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that five million they wanted from you, and and then
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you got fired, and then and then what happened.
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Well, I was prepared to go my own way and
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just to complete the sure when I recovered the twenty
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six million dollars they there was we made it. We
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made a contractual arrangement that I would help them develop
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the properties. This is before I was fired, and there
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was certain financial arrangements made when I was fired. Uh,
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Keith and Area said, I want all of the money
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back that you were paid and the bonus that you
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were paid for recovering the twenty six million. You're done.
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And you're not only done, you're returning all of the money.
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And if you don't return the money, you're going to
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have a legal battle. You won't believe. And I have
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a lot more money to spend than you do.
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I see. And so did that eventually lead to a lawsuit?
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I was most assuredly did. And we were thick in
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We're thick in the battle of fighting.
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And still to this day twenty eighteen.
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Yeah, although he's been slightly hampered now that he sits
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in the Brooklyn Metropolitan Detention Center.
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Well right, so, well said, so, I mean, just for
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the public that they don't know. Keith Ranieri and Alison
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Mack were arrested in Mexico. Well, actually, Ranieri was arrested
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first in Mexico and then Alison Mack. I don't know
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where they found her. Was she in New York or
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did they arrest her in Mexico?
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Extra died from Mexico.
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She was arrested in Brooklyn, Brooklyn.
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Right, Okay, so she was in Brooklyn and then she
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paid a five million dollar bail, got an ankle bracelet.
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I think she was seen in California yesterday or the
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day before and is under house arrest.
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In Raniery.
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I think he was denied bail and I think his
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hearing was today, Is that correct?
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No, it was postponed till next week, next Friday. So
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he has not made a bail application and it's not
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believed that he could attain bail because he number one,
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he fled to Mexico and number two, he's charged with
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ex trafficking. It's his Uh, you know, he presents a
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I think most people's minds and probably in any judge's mind,
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a very clear danger to the community.
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Yeah.
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I saw that the US attorney wrote for a very
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compelling argument for why he should not be let out
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on any bill. I think that I'll be surprised if
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they let him out if he's already fled to Mexico.
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So it would be a judge who was willing to
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risk being defract because I think Ranieri would probably if
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he ever get out of prison, I think he would
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find or try with the Brotman money to flee to
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a non extra guiding country.
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Yeah, that makes sense. I mean I think that I
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think he was.
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He was arrested on three different charges, but there may
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be additional charges for that guy. There may be more
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trouble as long I know that the attorneys or the
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FBI sent out a notice looking for any additional victims
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of Vernieri.
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So there may be other people talking and talking.
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she probably knows, you know, quite a bit more than
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the public.
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She knows quite a bit. And I have provided the
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authorities with a large cachet of financial tax of asion,
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bult cache, smuggling, foreign corrupt practices, double sets of bookkeeping,
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illegal immigration kind of fraud. So I've given them an
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ident of decess. I've given them a large cachet. And
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of course I don't want to take credit to this.
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FBI in New York City has done their own independent investigations,
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and I believe there will be superseding indictments.
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I see, yeah, I would agree, definitely agree with that.
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So Alison Mack, they go back ten years, what's been
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what what happened in the interim before you started kind
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of blogging intensely in twenty fifteen and when you were
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left the group in twenty two thousand and eight.
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I tried, I went on my own when you know,
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I went my own way, I should say I hoped
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to just avoid I was prepared. I set aside the
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money that I was given as a bonus, which you
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know was one million dollars, recovered twenty six million dollars,
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and I was not disproportionate to Braffman's mind or Rnieri's
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mind at the time when I was rescuing a real
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estate projected to conmuck covered twenty six million dollars in asset.
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It's less than five percent, less than five.
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Percent, right, So then you know, as I said, when
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I left Rahier, he wanted all of the money back,
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every penny I'd been paid, and I refused to do it.
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I put the money in escro and I awaited the day,
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ever when they would assue me, which of course they did.
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That's a long story, but the upshot of it is
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is that when I saw how egregiously they perjured themselves,
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it then became necessary for me to expose this cult
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for what it really was, alling criminal organization. And at
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the time I did not truly realize how despicable they were.
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I didn't know, for example, that Ranieri was a pedophile.
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I mean I didn't know that at the time that
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he had sex waves. I knew he had a hearn,
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but it seemed to me that essensual and if people
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and women and men are comfortable in their relationships, I'm
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not going to judge them. Well, I didn't know then
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about the pedophilia. I didn't know then about the branding
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or the blackmail.
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Right, the collateral what do you call the collateral?
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What he calls the collateral life.
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Well, that's interesting, I mean, that's the interesting thing about
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Vernier is he seems to have dodged getting arrested for
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pedophilia going back fifteen twenty years. His business before Nexium
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was what is it something by online? What was the
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name of it was consumer Byeline?
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Is that right? That?
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Consumers byline, Consumer's byline. So that was kind of a
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multi level marketing scheme that.
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He he was.
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I think he had to pay out certain things after
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there was a criminal investigation, for my memory serves me correct,
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So then he went.
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From that, Yeah, he had to say it fine, that's right.
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But I think that multi level marketing mentality morphed into
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the next iteration of what that was is into nexiums.
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So you have this kind of mark he's he's claimed Ornier,
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he's claimed to have like a two forty IQ and
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that he, you know, could speak in full sentences when
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he was once. So he has this kind of personal
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mythology that's very similar to l Ron Hubbard's. But yeah,
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there's some very dark stuff that was going on in
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Nexium that I mean, there's and you've put it in
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your articles, or at least two girls who came forward
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about their testimony that he statutorily raped them so I
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don't know if that's gonna be brought up in this
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criminal you know this in twenty eighteen, but those women
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have been on the record, and I read and I
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think it was in one of your articles that he
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had fifty seven women as his slave.
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Is that correct? At least at least okay?
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And I found it interesting too that he he tried
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to make it as a multi level marketing seem his
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whole sex slavery thing, where he would have broke it
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down into six sixty six, a very odious, you know,
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scary number, but he said, you know it was him.
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Then he would have six slaves and each one of
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them would get six, and so it would you know,
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pyramid eye out there in a kind of pyramidal structure.
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But he had this thing called dos the val and
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in Latin it was Dominus obsequious cerrorium or master over
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slaved women.
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Can you talk more about that?
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Yeah, it was. It's kind of an interesting it's kind
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of a very fascinating evolution of Ranieri's life in his
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his need to both control people and satiate his sexual appetite.
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He priorily he had a harem and when I was there,
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it appeared to me that the harem was mainly voluntary.
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He preferred women that were very slender with long hairy
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did not allow women to cut their hair, and they
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if they gained one or two or three pounds, they
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would be put on the sidelines, temporary really kicked out
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or out of the harm until they lost their weight again.
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So you were a five foot five inch woman and
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you were more than one hundred pounds, you were to
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be punished. And many a woman were punished for gaining
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one or two excess pounds and literally shunned. But at
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least they were voluntary at the time, or you know,
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if you believe in brainwashing, they were semi brainwashed, but
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not violently coerced or blackmailed into doing this. Somewhere along
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the line, he probably around twenty fifteen, he was losing
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his ability to get voluntary women who were in their
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twenties to want to be with this fifty five year
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old cult leader, and so he devised a new method
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which would get his slaves present slaves to move forward,
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to bring in new slaves of the young and tender
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age type and get them in where they were there
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was blackmail worthing material hanging over their heads so that
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they could be indoctrinated as his sex slaves and couldn't
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ever leave.
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Right. So that was kind of the whole invention of
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this collateral notion, is that right?
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Yeah? Partly, and also yeah, to have young slaves, to
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continue to have young slaves, and also to create a
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system where he could use his coercive methods without having
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to make any significant effort to woo cajole flatter court.
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He would just give the orders and the girls would
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have to obey.
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Wow.
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So Alison Mack, I think they just came out of
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vanity fair that she in her attempt to recruit women.
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I think she went after Emma Watson, Kelly Clarkson, some
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other people that you know, and and and and it
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seemed like that it was the cell of the sugar
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coated cell that to get into this group that is,
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you know, self help.
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Oh, that's right. I think part of his group was
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that DOS or the Vow was a woman's only.
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Club, right, So isn't that what they said to the
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external outside world is that this is like a women's club.
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It's safe, it's safe, there's no men in this. But
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there was just one man.
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In it one man, and he required all of the
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women to be celibate too, right, so they couldn't. They
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weren't supposed to date anything anybody but Keith Raniering, if
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I remember correctly, that's.
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Always that was always his policy, from his days of
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a voluntary him was the he could sleep with any woman,
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but they all had to be only with him because he,
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he taught his spiritual energies were so subtle, profound and intense,
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is that if any other man's vibration touched these women,
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it would could affect him in such a negative way
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that he could in fact die.
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Oh right, that's right.
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I mean I think he told I think he told
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one girl if I wrote it down, was he told
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her their union would make her see a blue light.
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I think I got that from your blog or one
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of the post things you had. But yeah, it's a
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spirit the experience transference of godlike energy was another phrase.
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So he uh, he definitely had his lines with the women.
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Yes he was. And he promised them all motherhood and
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it told him to keep it a secret, but each
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of them he promised that they would have his avatar child.
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Right, that's amazing.
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And then there was one I think there was a
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semi famous Christiana Logan who possibly has his child. She
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was one of the terminators in one of the later
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Terminator films. But she has a child, possibly by Byronary.
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Is that correct?
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Well, it's certainly a possibility. You can't rule it out.
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She's never identified who the child is. It's known, and
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you know, we're like, we both to be sued for this,
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So I'm gonna. I'm gonna I've already been threatened by her, okay,
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but the truth is the defense. But the answer is, yes,
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she's known to be a member of the group, and
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yes she has a child. She had the child. She
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has not identified who the father is.
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I'm not saying it. I'm not saying it's Ni's father.
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Just with speculation, pure speculation.
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You're not alone, and that you're not alone because many
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people in the cult have told me that that's what
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they believe. Whether it's true or not, a DNA test
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could provide us with.
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There were there other members of the Harems or the
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groups or doss who also had children Byronaris, you know.
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Yes, And it's curious because because because of the he
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had one child in two thousand and six and he
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did not want to admit to the group that that
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was his child, so he created an elaborate lie and
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he denied the fatherhood of his own child. There was
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probably eight or ten abortions. And in the first time
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you ever done, I'm sorry, I.
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Was gonna say, the group has its own doctor, Isn't
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that right? There was a doctor associated with a group. Okay,
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Then the Brandon Porter I remember, I think is one.
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There's doctor Brandon Porter, and then there is doctor Danielle Roberts.
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Doctor Roberts is the woman that did the actual physical branding,
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human branding of the women I.
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See, And that was the that was putting in these
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initials on I mean, according to some of the stuff
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you wrote on your blog, it was very close to
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their their genitals, I mean, the female genitals, not far
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away at all, Like yeah, because what's publicized is that
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it looks like, yeah, it's close to like the belt
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line of their body, you know.
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But some of those wow, that's pretty scary and painful.
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Yes, well, the Venieri's ego maniacal nature required the branding
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of women with his initials on their pubic region.
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Yeah, it's remarkable, I mean. And then yeah, and then
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there's others, so he had this harem. He's also I
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think I remember seeing on a video he said I've
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had people killed because of my beliefs or because of
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their beliefs in two thousand and nine that was posted
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on YouTube. Has there been any type of have you
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heard of anything about threatening language or anything like that?
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He's always a threatener And I believe William that at
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least two women were killed by him.
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And what do you want? It was a Christian Sneider
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and Gina Hutchinson. Are those the names?
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Yes, that's correct, So let's.
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Talk about Kristin Sneyder. She was in.
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The odd thing about the group is that it's headquartered
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in Albany, but it also has a Mexico arm There's
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some things going on in Alaska, California.
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Does that sound right? Are there any other outposts?
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Yes? So an outpost will spring up anywhere they could
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get it. Vancouver, Los Angeles, San Francisco in their hey day,
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Mexico City, Luadalajara, Leone, Monterey, New Zealand, Australia, London, any
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place where several people would gather to learn, they would
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try to get a center going. Some were more successful
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than others some were just for the occasional course. Kristin
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Snyder was a lesbian woman who started taking the courses
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in two thousand and two. And Ranieri always had a
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theory that he could do what do they call that
488
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:38.400
conversion therapy somebody, and he was. He was fascinated with
489
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:47.400
the idea of converting lesbian women to heterosexual women through
490
00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:55.759
the power in his savoir faire and his mentoring in
491
00:30:55.839 --> 00:31:01.799
the bedroom. And he took on Kristen's and rather surprised her.
492
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:04.240
He told her he would teach her, and it wound
493
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:06.559
up going into the bedroom and the next thing she
494
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:12.240
knew she was pregnant. I see a gay woman who
495
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:14.720
got pregnant by surprise.
496
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:19.319
And she had wasn't she have like a living girlfriend
497
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:21.319
or was she married? I don't recollect that.
498
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.799
Yeah, she was actually married. She had gone through I
499
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:28.119
don't know if it was a legally recognized marriage, but
500
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:31.240
she had gone through a ceremony and she recognized her
501
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:36.359
her mate as her her spouse, and she didn't know
502
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:40.680
how to break the news to her spouse that she
503
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:46.920
was pregnant with the leader of this group that both
504
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:52.880
her and her spouse were attending classes for She then
505
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:57.839
started to reveal this secret here and there, and when
506
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:00.759
it reached the peak where she was telling other people
507
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:08.440
in the Nexium community, she one day disappeared, never found again,
508
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:14.759
and the authorities in Alaska very curiously rushed to the
509
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:19.440
conclusion that she had committed suicide and her body had disappeared.
510
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:24.839
I think their position was she was a kayaker. She
511
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:29.000
took a kayak out onto an inlet of the ocean
512
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:32.119
and then flipped it over and committed suicide, which is very.
513
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:36.559
Strange, very strange. Your body was never found. There's many
514
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:43.880
more curious and suspicious circumstances surrounding this whole disappearance that
515
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:48.200
has never been fully It's a cold case waiting to
516
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:52.119
be reopened. It had become quite cold because Ranieri had
517
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:58.279
moved on. But now that things have changed and he's
518
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:02.319
in jail, he's less of the I think the Brafmann
519
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:05.359
spent more than six hundred thousand dollars covering up this
520
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:06.559
crime for Ranieri.
521
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.119
And how did they spend that money? Where did it
522
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:09.440
go to?
523
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:18.440
Well? I know they hired some supposedly x CIA agents
524
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:26.039
to handle the Kristen Snyder matter, and the main idea
525
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:29.640
was to I think first of all, persuade the Alaskan
526
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:34.440
authorities that she was suicidal. There was nothing, There was
527
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:41.279
nothing to investigate. And then there was a a new twist,
528
00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:46.240
which was Kristen Snyder was supposedly alive and hiding somewhere
529
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:50.480
in various different She was spotted much like Elvis, spotted
530
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:58.000
in different cities. And of course she never really was
531
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:02.279
identified by anybody. I'm convinced, so is her sister, so's
532
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:06.920
her mother, so is her former spouse, that she is that,
533
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:13.840
and she was murdered. Well, nobody knows for sure. But
534
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:16.599
one troubling thing happened. The last person to see her
535
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:22.119
alive told me. She said, for fifteen years, this has
536
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:25.840
been on my conscience and I finally have to tell somebody.
537
00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:28.280
I was the last person to see her alive. And
538
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:31.239
there's no way that she was in a condition on
539
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:36.400
the day that she disappeared. To drive four hours from Anchorage,
540
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:42.840
Alaska to Seward, Alaska and Resurrection day, steal a kayak,
541
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:45.440
take it out in the water, paddle it out without
542
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:49.719
a coat or anything in February in Alaska, and pre
543
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:54.000
hip her she knew over. I don't believe she could
544
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:59.719
have possibly done the deeds that the police concluded she
545
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:04.400
did it physically, she would have been incapable of doing it.
546
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:10.039
Yeah, that's a hyper sketchy story, Kristen Snyder. And the
547
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:12.880
other one was Gina Hutchinson now was in New York?
548
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:13.480
Is that correct?
549
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:15.360
Correct?
550
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:17.639
And can you tell more about that fuck?
551
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:23.559
Gina Hutchinson was a statutorily raped girlfriend of Keith n Airy.
552
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:28.159
When Keith was a young rapist of three twenty five
553
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:33.679
years of age, he snatched Gina from a life of
554
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:39.719
high school and moving forward in her own little world,
555
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:44.360
in her own life. He promised to marry her. She
556
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:48.440
was fifteen. He raped her, Then he raped her her friend,
557
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:50.679
and then some of her other friends. And one day
558
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:53.239
she found out that he had a whole harem of
559
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:56.519
fourteen or fifteen year old girls. It shocked her, depressed her.
560
00:35:56.599 --> 00:36:00.639
She wanted to leave. He kept her in. He promised
561
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:03.960
her babies and a new life, and she hung in.
562
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:06.679
She hung out. She hated being in the harem, but
563
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:09.800
he had his methods of keeping her in. She of
564
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:12.679
course became a young lady and then a woman, and
565
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.440
at the age of thirty, she began to be a
566
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:21.679
little rebellious with Keith Ranieri, and he brought her into
567
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:25.440
town and had a chat with her. She seemed to
568
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:31.840
be perturbed. She took a hotel near Ranieri's house, and
569
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:35.119
five very slender women, one of them a little older
570
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:38.039
than the rest, made a visit to her the night
571
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:42.679
before she was to die. And I'm not sure precisely
572
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:47.159
what the purpose of their their visit late at night
573
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:50.639
at the hotel. But the next day she disappeared, and
574
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:53.679
the following day her body was found in Woodstock, New York.
575
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:58.400
She had been shot in the head once again. The
576
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.559
authorities concluded that she had pulled a trigger on herself,
577
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:05.840
based in large part on evidence that Ranieri's women gave
578
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:10.880
that the woman, Gina Hutchinson, was quite unsettled, but I
579
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:14.199
believe that he either killed her, had or kill or
580
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:17.119
talked her into committing suicide.
581
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:19.800
Yeah, that's a really unusual.
582
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:23.840
Very men and women when they tried, when they decide
583
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.519
to end their lives, go through the process in very
584
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:27.239
different ways.
585
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:29.199
And women almost never use a gun.
586
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:34.760
So whenever you hear about a woman shooting herself really unlikely,
587
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:36.880
just off the top of my head, But she was
588
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:38.920
found on the water too. Was she found in the
589
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:40.920
water or on the river on the water bank.
590
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:46.639
She was found alongside a pond in Woodstock, near a
591
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:49.920
Buddhist temple that she would often go to hide from
592
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:52.880
Ranieri when he was particularly brutal.
593
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:55.960
Gotcha, Yeah, I don't.
594
00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:57.719
Know for the fact that they were both murdered, but
595
00:37:58.039 --> 00:37:59.880
I think that he had a hand in their depths,
596
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:02.599
and there may be others we don't even know about.
597
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:06.079
Have you followed any of the posts about Nexium on
598
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:07.760
the website Crazy Days and Nights.
599
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:10.639
Yeah, they've been.
600
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.559
They've been reporting a lot on NEXIM and Alison Mack
601
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:18.960
and they've had some very incredible I mean, they actually
602
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:22.599
predicted Weinstein and Kevin Spacey and before they you know,
603
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:26.119
everything was aut it. But they've said some very stuff,
604
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:31.760
terrifying stuff about that whole group that I'm not I
605
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:33.400
don't want to talk about in public, but I'll talk
606
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:37.280
to you offline. But it's if those are true stories,
607
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:38.199
it's very.
608
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:41.559
Very dark the underneath the cover of Nexium, it's some
609
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:42.480
very dark stuff.
610
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:51.000
Well, there's nothing dark that Nieri would embrace. I tend
611
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:54.239
to doubt because I'm pretty close to a lot of
612
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:57.599
the defectors. I tend to doubt there was any wide
613
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:02.480
scale Pizzagate, pedal Gate or like there was a major
614
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:06.639
trafficking thing, but we can't rule it out entirely. His
615
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:14.079
connections with the Mexican upper level elite, conspiratorial drug running
616
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:18.079
pedophiles is established.
617
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:19.920
Right, but he I mean one of the people in
618
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:21.960
his group was the son of a former president, right,
619
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:27.719
Emiliano Salinas So who came out in quis more than one, okay,
620
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:31.239
but also there was connection. There's connections between them and
621
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:33.239
bringing in I can't remember the story. I think I
622
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:36.039
read it in yours about somebody being up in Albany
623
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:37.320
who was an illegal immigrant.
624
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.360
Right, So they're like bringing many yeah.
625
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:43.960
Many, many, many many cases of legal immigrants taken from
626
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:48.079
Mexico's traffic. There were children that were brought in who
627
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:53.239
were eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen years old, that had curious
628
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:57.000
circumstances and then were rushed out of Albany. There were
629
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:01.519
women in prison from Mexico. So many many stories. It's
630
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:04.719
only the tip of the iceberg. How widespread, how commercial
631
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:07.199
it was, I don't know. Much of it seemed to
632
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:15.840
be just to pander to Ranieri's own enormous manipulative sexual.
633
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:21.039
Predatory desires, so he didn't have like an inside group
634
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:23.760
like some of these other cult leaders of men. It
635
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:26.800
seems like almost everybody on this list is I mean,
636
00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:29.079
there's maybe a few men. It seems like more like,
637
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:32.360
you know, seventy five percent women, twenty five percent men.
638
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.519
I would say it's maybe eighty twenty. At one time
639
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.599
there was a group of men who were paying fees
640
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:43.119
to learn from them from Ranieri, and they were called
641
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:48.280
the Society of Protectors. After I broke my story about
642
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:50.679
the branding, because that had been withheld from the men.
643
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:55.000
When I broke the story back in June twenty and seventeen,
644
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:58.800
less than a year ago, the men, almost every man
645
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:00.000
quit the organization.
646
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:05.559
Wow, And they had funny they have different nicknames inside,
647
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:10.320
like Ranieri's Vanguard, his second in command is or Nancy
648
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:14.760
Salzman's Prefect, like there's all. Did they all have internal
649
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:16.800
like gang almost like gang names?
650
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:22.039
No, noneer. He might give him a nickname. He called
651
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:26.000
one woman yeah, in another k and so forth. But
652
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:30.079
only two of them had official names. Rnier himself, who
653
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:35.199
is you said, was named Vanguard and Nancy Salzman, who
654
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:39.960
was his useful idiot purported second in command but really
655
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:46.239
just the stooge. She was called prefect.
656
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:48.360
What and she's I mean I think he wrote she
657
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:52.119
was a hypnotist and neurolinguistics programming expert. How much of
658
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:58.440
that do you see integrated into nexim and Keith Ranieri's behavior.
659
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:04.800
Constant, consistent, universally used, and when that doesn't work, he
660
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:05.840
uses coercion.
661
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:09.280
I see. So he's definitely using NLP, you think.
662
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:17.440
And and Nancy that was what attracted uh him to
663
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:20.519
her because she is a expert at it and she's
664
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:28.960
completely obedient to his ever crazier demands.
665
00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:32.199
That's interesting. And I saw that you wrote something about
666
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:36.760
a technique that Whennier he would use, that was that
667
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.440
Hubbard would use as well. This whole confusion what do
668
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:42.280
you call it? The confusion approach?
669
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:45.280
Right? All right?
670
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:48.840
So like like flip somebody's desires come back with something else. Yeah,
671
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:52.559
I mean it's really the parallels between scientology and this
672
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:55.760
group seemed to be pretty pronounced, I mean, pretty obvious.
673
00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:00.360
Uh. He was critiquely influenced by Scientology, and he even
674
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:05.800
hijack the number of their terms like suppressive and parasite.
675
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:08.880
I didn't know that. That's interesting.
676
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:11.039
Maybe what we can talk about too, is all of
677
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:13.360
the I mean, he seems to have wanted kind of
678
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:17.440
like Scientology get celebrities involved. Scientology has that celebrity center.
679
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:19.960
So he has a lot of celebrities and also wealthy
680
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:25.039
people and people of political you know power. I mean
681
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:26.679
you want to go through some of these lists, like
682
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:30.079
the Carlo Selenas or other people. There was Rosa Junco
683
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:32.599
who was this daughter of a billionaire.
684
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:37.079
Right right. Well he you know, there was three types
685
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:39.960
of recruits that he had an interest in. Wealthy people
686
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:46.159
are powerful people, attractive women, and then he did like
687
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:51.280
the worker bees, a woman or even a man didn't
688
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:55.880
necessarily have to be a spectacularly good looking person or
689
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:59.199
even wealthy if they were going to work full time
690
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:04.199
for no pay or little or no pay for the cult.
691
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:09.880
So the powerful and rich included, of course, first and
692
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:14.320
foremost the brothman sisters. Is they would give him any
693
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:18.159
amount of money, and they would do any destructive thing
694
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:20.119
he asked them to do, whether it was sue a
695
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:24.960
person that perjured themselves in court, file false criminal charges,
696
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:31.079
pay for private investigators to hunt down enemies and find
697
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:31.719
where they were in.
698
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:36.079
Hiding theology playbook.
699
00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:41.400
Yeah, then there was the murderous son of the murderous father.
700
00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:46.079
Carlos sealinis former president of Mexico and the world's maybe
701
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:51.400
most dangerous criminal who heads up the drug cartels that
702
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:57.480
feed the nation, this nation with drugs. His son, Emiliano
703
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:02.360
is an ardent member and despite his protestations, despite the
704
00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:04.559
fact that he says now that Rahnier has been arrested
705
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:10.360
that he has abandoned the company, that's just a facade.
706
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:13.320
He's still in hook Line and Sinker.
707
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:15.480
Interesting.
708
00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:20.000
And then there was also a DC socialite, daughter of
709
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:24.239
d C socialites, Pam Kafritz too, so there's connections there
710
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:27.880
to DC and she's passed away. One of the interesting
711
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:32.199
stories is her Ranieri believes that it wanted to cryogenically
712
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:35.320
freeze two of his former members. Is that too true?
713
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:42.519
At least two? Yeah, both Pam and Pam Kayfritz and
714
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:49.280
Barbara Jeski. Yeah, that's They wanted just's body. The family
715
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:52.840
wouldn't give it. They asked for just her head. Vreni
716
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:56.920
wanted just to head. He was denied. But in the
717
00:45:56.960 --> 00:46:00.840
case of Kafritz, he did get her body. He kept
718
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:03.719
it for a fact, he kept her after she died
719
00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:08.079
in a bathtub with ice while he made arrangements to
720
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:12.079
cryogenically freeze her.
721
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:15.119
So do you know at this time if she's in
722
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:17.639
the cryogenica freeze place.
723
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:21.480
I suspect that she is. I do not know that
724
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:25.039
for a fact. Her death was a mysterious death too,
725
00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:31.719
and he may have taken certain actions to expedite her
726
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:36.880
death because he had control of some of her money.
727
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:41.760
Interesting, so that would prevent her from getting treatment.
728
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:45.719
Correct, he took over her medical care.
729
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:47.760
Well, that's terrifying.
730
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So another thing that was interesting is somehow he was
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able to get the Dalai Lama or Dalai Lama to
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go to New York.
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Is that correct?
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That is true. I was there when the original arrangements
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were made.
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What were those arrangements?
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One million dollars paid to the Dalai Lama.
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Interesting, so the Dalai Lama took that money and what
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was the whole How did that meeting you know play out?
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Well, when I was originally asked about the wisdom of this,
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I advised against it because I didn't think it would
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make a good fit. But Claire and Keith it ordered
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Claire and Sarah to to get the Dalai Lama and
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have the Dalai Lama come and endorse him as a
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great teacher of ethics. In the Dalai Lama, you know,
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in a constant need for money, accepted the million and
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he began. It began well enough, but then a backfired
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as the press started crying foul. This was after I
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was fired. I wasn't there too, I wasn't being listened to,
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and I wasn't there to help. They get crucified in
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the press. That Dalai Lama received quite a bit of criticism.
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With the gist of the criticism, why would Dali Lama
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be endorsing a cult he backed the way he canceled
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the engagement. Ranieri was frantic. He flew to Damasoul, India
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to plead with the Dalai Lama to calm I believe
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another million dollars of Brockman money was paid to the
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Dalai Lama and he did make an appearance with the
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Brahman sisters and Ranieri on stage in Albany in two
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thousand and nine.
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Wow, that's incredible.
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And then I think that one of the people who
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was involved kind of as an antagonist of Nexium was
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Rick Alan Ross, who was a kind of cultu deprogrammer maybe,
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but he was able to extract some information that had
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previously been been private.
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Do you know about that?
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Yes, I know about his kid. He was the original
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he Antony Natali were the original enemies of Maxium, and
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when I was working there, they were both being hounded
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and pursued by Ranieri with the Brafman millions. So Rick had.
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All he did was Keith had fleeced a man named
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Michael Sutton, the heir of the It was the Lolli
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Coggs Garment Industries, Morris Sutton. Michael Sutton was his son,
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and Michael was fleeced and stripped of as well by Ranieri.
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Michael's troubled sister went to Rick Ross, and Ross tried
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to deprogram unsuccessfully. He then published as a warning to
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the world on a fairly early Internet two thousand and
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two or three website, exposing some of the details of
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Ranieri's creepy cult. Ranieri sued him and the litigation went
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on for fourteen years.
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Wow.
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Ranieri spent more than ten million dollars of Brockman's money
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and in the end he.
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Lost incredible What was the settlement, what was the what
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was the judgment?
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Well, you know, the judgment was kept sealed, but the
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case was dismissed by mutual agreement. After all this money
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was spent and Ross prevailed. In some ways, it's historic
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because some of the fair use the law that we
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have that surrounds the Internet was precedent made by Ross's case.
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Ross stuck it out. He wouldn't back down. He's not
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the type of man to back down, and he prevailed.
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The stuff that he published, his fair use, it's not
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copyright of the public, A little bit of something about
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a organization's teachings in order to show the public its
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potential benefits or dangers.
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Interesting, So that's now memorialized in a court of law
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somewhere in New York. Then, huh, that judge of that
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Faveris judgment.
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It started in New York was actually it's federal I
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think it was. It's federal law and it ended up
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in New Jersey. But it is it's precedent, right, Renieri,
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by by trying to suppress the First Amendment, actually strengthened
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it thanks to the good offices of Rick Ellen Ross.
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Remarkable.
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Yeah, but the stuff he published, I can't I don't remember.
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It was somewhat as scandals do you recollect? He published
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something that did not look good for Ranieri.
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Right, that is correct, Joe. He had two two professionals
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one was a psychiatrist and one was a psychologist who
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using course material that Ranieri claimed purloined, they were able
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to write critiques that were devastating to Reneering. Gotcha, And
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at the time I advised Reneering that if he just
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let it go, he could not if he did not
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sue Ross, there would be a website with some criticism,
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and he could create websites where he could advance the
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positive side. But he couldn't. He had this this vengeance
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that was that consumed him. He had to fight ros.
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Wow, that's remarkable.
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That's a remarkable piece to this very long story. We
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are coming to the end of the hour, were at
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about fifty three minutes. Is there a way people can
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go and see your writing on the I think it's
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the Frank Report dot com.
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Right, that is correct. Come to the Frank Report dot
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com and you can if you're interested in this kooky, crazy, despicable,
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dangerous cult. You could keep updated since I post regularly
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on the latest events.
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Yeah, you have some remarkable material there, so I do
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recommend listeners go to the Frankreport dot com and take
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a look at so many aspects to this story. You know,
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there's so many things going on moving parts that you know,
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Frank has been following the story diligently, so there's really
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some great material there. Again, Frank Parlato, thank you very
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much for being on the show.
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It's my great pleasure. I enjoyed it, and thank you
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for having me on the show.