526--9/11 Aftermath with Sofia Smallstorm and Matthew Tartaglia on The Grassy Knoll with Vyz. (2007)

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January 22, 2007. And those noises you hear for a
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change is not me. I think it's Matthew going for
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some ice cubes. I'm not sure. But with us today
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are both Matthew Tartaglia, who you've heard on the show
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quite a bit, and Sophia Smallstorm, who was with us
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just a short time ago. She is the documentary filmmaker,
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the title of which is 9-11 Mysteries. And, Sophia, I
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just want to ask you, I've often referred to the
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site as... 911mysteries. com, we'll get you there. But, I mean,
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are we supposed to formally use the 911weknow.
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Com?
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One is just a sub-site of the other, so both
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will get you to 911mysteries.
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Okay, so all those who upgraded me about not using 911weknow,
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I can tell them to go, right?
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Yeah.
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Beautiful.
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911weknow or mysteries or I might add another couple of
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domain names to that site.
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Oh, go ahead. Do it now. Sure. Do you have them?
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Well, you know what?
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You're going to laugh, but I want to start 9-11 singles.
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That's a great idea.
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So many people tell me they cannot date a regular person.
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And there are men who have told me that they
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have been without a girlfriend for five years.
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You know, you have hit on a point that I
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think that no one has talked about ever. Live or recorded, really?
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I mean, because it's true, if you were not with
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a mate at 9-11, at the time of 9-11, you
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have a popsicle chance in hell of getting somebody who
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can understand you.
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It's true.
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It's so hard to understand somebody who's, it's like trying
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to buddy up, you know, warm up to somebody who's
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been through Vietnam and whatnot.
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I want Sophia to define what regular people are.
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Well, I was about to say normal people, but then
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I said no, no, no.
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Well, I would be out of that loop there. I'm happily,
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happily married. I would be out of the Abbey normal,
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the normal route.
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You know, I never thought of that, but I guess
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that has become a real defining issue for people in
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so many ways, and you just brought up one I
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had not thought about, and That is something to think
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that it's made that much of an impact, and it
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certainly has, hasn't it?
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It certainly has.
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One of the things... Go ahead, Sabine.
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No, I just find that, you know, there are always
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ways to improve things, and I have the best conversations
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with people all over the country whom I have never seen,
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males and females. And they are my family. They are
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my friends. Much more than anyone that lives locally, because
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I've lost my friends locally since I started doing the
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movie and 9-11. When people run into me and they say,
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what are you up to? And I tell them I'm
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making a movie. What's it about? September 11th. And then
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I tell them it's the real story of September 11th,
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and they don't want to hear it.
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No, they don't.
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Yeah, so our community is spread around. And we can't
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date one another except on the phone.
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Yeah. It's a fantastic idea.
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I'm glad you like it.
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Fantastic idea.
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Is this going to turn out to be a 9-11
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chat line, too?
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Yeah.
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No.
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We'll have a chat line and everything.
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You know something?
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It's a shame, and I'm going to digress for one second.
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You know, not just the emergency workers like myself and
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the volunteers like myself, but can you imagine these poor Manhattanites?
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I can't even say the word. Manhattanites. Yeah, right, thank you, Manhattanites,
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who are being ignored openly. It is an open policy
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to ignore them. You know, these poor folks really need
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a singles line and a chat line or something.
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Awesome.
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They are, you know, they're really being forgotten.
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Also, let me tell you what's happened, Sophia, with regard
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to what he said. First of all, it also reminds
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me that... Some of the good sources of what's going
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on down there could be people like Tom Weiss, who
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are in the New York Truth Movement. And also, we
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had on before, too, Diane Kleinman, who was a whistleblower
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in U.S. Customs, who lives down there. And we never
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really touched upon that, but it might be... Good to
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go and talk to her because she is a lawyer.
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She's very investigative. And I'm wondering what she might find out. Now,
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I say this also because in trying to get somebody
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on who will speak to the fact that 9-11 rescue workers, NYFD, NYPD,
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EMTs from all over the place, have had health problems
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to the point of full disability and are being denied
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that from their providers telling them that the ailments they
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have are not in any way, shape, or form. attached
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to 9-11. Now, having said that, I'm getting pretty good
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contacts with folks up in New York, and one of
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them is also for the benefit of Matthew, who is
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kind of out there, a voice in the wilderness, who's
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having problems and not getting very far, as most solo
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acts will not affect because, obviously, you're one person.
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But there may be a lawyer up in New.
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York who's handling, I guess, a class action suit and
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we're hoping that he'll be in touch with Matthew soon.
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So we would like to get people on the air
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that will speak to the fact that so many that
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answered the call on 9-11 are having their backs turned
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on them. Sophia, I don't know if we'll go to
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Matthew in a second, but have you gotten anything at
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all in a positive light from those who served down
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there during that weekend and after?
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I haven't had much contact with people from New York.
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Matthew is actually the first rescue worker I've ever talked to. So,
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you know, on the other side of the country, and
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I haven't done much hands-on interviewing of anyone in New York,
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but I'm very aware of the situation of the rescue
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workers in the Mount Sinai. I think it's a screening program,
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and they found thousands and thousands. I think the last
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statistic I read was something like 16,000 out of the 40,000.
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had shown up and been diagnosed with serious respiratory ailments
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and other permanent chronic conditions.
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Absolutely.
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To be ignored.
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Very, very dangerous. Very, very bad situation. I went to
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the doctors. Keith and I had talked about this on
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the air, and the doctor told me this is one
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of the worst cases I've ever seen from doctors uh
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the pile and that was five months ago i'm still
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waiting for what i don't even i don't even know
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what i'm supposed to do next you know they call
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you they tell you well if you have insurance you
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know go ahead and use it uh if you have
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this go ahead and use it if you have that
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go ahead and use it and you know if you
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got insurance post 9-11 you're technically breaking the law So
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it's very much, you know, when we need you, drop everything,
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hurry up and show up, but then afterwards, good luck,
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you're on your own.
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Yeah, can you tell me what your health problems are?
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Sure. The most pressing health problem that I have is
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that I have something called RADS, R-A-D-S. and that's a
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restrictive airway disease. And basically what happens is I had
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climbed into many spaces, but one of the spaces that
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I climbed into had a burst of steam type of chemical,
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And it.
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Burned my lungs.
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And in the process of burning my lungs, my lungs
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are trying to coat themselves and protect themselves. And in
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that process, I'm drowning in my own fluid. My sinuses
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are beat. I can't sleep. You know, there's a lot
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of things.
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What about the teeth over it?
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Right.
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It's a pretty bad situation, and this is actually common.
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I am not the exception. I am the rule. This
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is what's happening.
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Now, you've lost a colleague to what took place that day, right?
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Yes.
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And this was an outfit from southeast Pennsylvania that did
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answer the call at Ground Zero. Yes. All right, Michael,
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and I will just call on Michael, who was not
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sounding so badly two years ago, is not faring very well,
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is he?
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No, he's blowing out blood out of his nose now.
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And when he sneezes, his head breaks open, you know,
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the sinuses all break open. And all that junk up
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there is giving him massive, massive headaches. And it's very
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hard for him to talk on the phone, to talk,
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to see bright lights, to drive at night. It's a
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bad situation. And he was there much less than I was.
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So it's scary.
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Go ahead, Sophia.
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Is this from the chemicals you inhaled? I want to
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ask you something, because I was listening to a Judy
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Wood interview yesterday about the electron beam, and there was
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a lot of argument about how hot gravity is. zero
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was and whether there was, in fact, molten steel running
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under there or molten iron. So since you were on
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the pile working, can you talk about how hot it
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was and this stuff that you breathed in? You told
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me it was steam and it burned, so I'm assuming
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it was very, very hot, right?
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Well, in areas, it was so hot that you could not,
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even with a Nomex suit on, which is a firefighter suit,
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you could not approach it. And that's 1,500 degrees. That
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suit gives you a walking range in. And it was
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so hot, you just could not, you just had to
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walk around it. And I think until October, if I'm
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not mistaken, October, there was a water stream that ran
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day and night. there was indeed molten lava, or whatever,
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I'm saying lava, I'm sorry, molten metal or molten something
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that was clearly seen by myself and others. And it
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had a red glow to it. It looked very much
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like metal. I also have my own ideas about thermite.
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magnesium ribbon, because you're talking about a fire that people
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could stand in the window and look out and wait
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for help, yet they're saying that this melted the building
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and dropped it, and I can tell you as a firefighter,
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that's not possible. That's not possible. I mean, if you
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make a fire at camping... and you put your hand
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too close to it, you can feel on your hands
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how hot it is and how quickly. And that's nothing
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compared to what it takes to melt metal.
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Right.
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So you are a firefighter? The ward on fire for
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five minutes, and that's going to melt. I mean, come on.
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Go ahead, Sophia. Hold up, Matthew. She wanted to ask
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you something else. Sure.
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You are a firefighter. You're not just a rescue worker
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who showed up.
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That's correct. I am a registered with Federal Emergency Management
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Agency critical incident stress debriefer, firefighter, high-angle rescue, fireman. I
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have a fast team. That means that I rush in
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at the last minute when the firefighters who are stuck
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in there and try to rescue them from perishing. I
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have a lot of training, yes.
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Okay. Now, when you encountered this molten metal, I'm sure
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everyone who was there was talking about it, right, the
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molten metal?
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The people who saw it, yes.
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And what were the discussions? Weren't people trying to guess
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how that had happened? Were they thinking it was the
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jet fuel that did it?
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To tell you the truth, a lot of people did
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think it was the jet fuel. At the time, I
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would say for the first couple weeks, really nobody was
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talking about conspiratorial things. We were just so overwhelmed by
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what was happening. We had a hard enough time dealing
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with what... could potentially be real, you know, just a
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face value real. And then as time went on, people
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went home for their breaks. People went home and talked
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to other people. It started dawning on us that something
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was wrong. But as soon as you talked, if you
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talked the wrong words, if you will, you were gone.
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They suddenly had enough people.
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Can you give me an example of saying the wrong thing,
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what you just referred to?
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Sure.
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Let's say that you come out of a room that
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you were given access to and you saw firefighters breaking
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into an ATM machine. And you walked out of the
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room and you said, God Almighty, I can't believe those
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firefighters got away with half a million dollars. Guaranteed you're
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not coming back. You say, geez, did you see that
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guy stuffing his pockets while the other guy was getting arrested? Boom,
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you're not coming back.
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What is that in reference to, Matthew?
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Things that you wouldn't be coming back for.
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Matthew, what's that in reference to when you say somebody's
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stuffing stuff in his pockets?
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Oh, I'm talking about watches. I'm talking about money. I'm
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talking about items off of dead victims.
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And you're also talking about looting, and there was also
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the situation about not wanting to mention some of the
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ATMs that were broken.
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They broke it open. We have reviewed the film. and
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I did not say a word about it until after
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the fact because I knew that I would not come back.
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All right, I have a question also, if you will,
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and I want to let everybody know now, too, for
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the remainder of the show, feel free to ask questions
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of either individual. By email, you know it's visigoth at hotmail.com.
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By MSN, I am service.
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It's Visigoth.
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I just want to throw this one in while we
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have time. A little moment. This individual from Illinois stated,
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9-11 Mysteries is a great movie. I watched it this weekend.
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Also glad to hear Matthew back. I hope he's doing better.
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So thank you, Bill, from Illinois. What I wanted to
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ask you, Matthew, was, and you've stated this once before,
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but I'd like you to do it for Sophia's purposes.
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A lot of people want to hear about the fact
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that there were a number of rescue workers, FEMA, whatever,
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down in New York City. On 9-11, in preparation for
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a terrorist exercise on the piers of the Hudson, on 9-12,
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a lot of them say, well, if they really wanted,
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and they may not have, and the they means whoever
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pulled off 9-11, wanted to create maximum havoc, why have
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anybody there to administer to those? who are survivors and such.
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And Matthew, you did give us a reason once before.
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Would you recite that to us now? Sure.
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It's my opinion, and it's from observation and thinking, that
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only one of two things could have happened. One, it
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was a complete and entire setup to make it look like, hey,
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we were doing our job, somebody took advantage of it,
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and thank God we were there. Before there was the worst,
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absolute worst operational security of the training done, the information
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was leaked out. And I don't mean the day before
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or a week before. I'm talking about a good period
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of time before. And the hijackers themselves took advantage of it,
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knowing full well that there wasn't anything that anybody could
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do about it.
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Now, when you say hijackers, are you being hypothetical?
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Yes, I am. I am saying hijackers in the most
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broad term possible. Because as you well know, and if
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you don't, you will now, in America, any crime you
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commit technically falls under the National Security Patriot Act. And
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you can be held without... and without limitation of time.
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Yeah, no habeas corpus.
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That's it. Go on. Bye-bye.
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Also, Sophia, with regard to 9-11, and we don't have
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to spend much time here. It's just something that I
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did come across this weekend, and I think it's probably
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an honor to you that this took place, and that
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is how long has that screw 9-11 mystery been out there?
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Do you know? Oh, I think it's just been out
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for a week or ten days.
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Two weeks it's been out. I looked at Arnis and
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looked up there.
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Did you force yourself to endure the two and a
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half hours?
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No, I haven't looked at it yet.
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I heard that a lot of it is just making
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fun of the movie. It's not really taking the movie apart.
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And another thing you have to remember when you make
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a documentary is that it's not a big paper with
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loads of footnotes. So you say something which, in another situation,
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you could have three pages of footnotes explaining.
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Right.
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But you can't do that in a movie. So you
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have to make the best choice possible in your narration
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and in your selection of video. And the thing, as
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an aggregate, sends a message. And so if you take
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it apart, you can find all kinds of things to
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say about it. Because it's an, how do I say this,
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it's an abbreviation in a way. It's only 90 minutes.
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That's it. And if I'm going to give a panoramic
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picture in 90 minutes, things have to stand for things.
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For instance, in a screenplay, all the dialogue has double meaning, practically.
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Absolutely.
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You never waste time writing a screenplay in a movie.
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Nobody walks into a room and says, Hello, Matthew, how
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are you? The scene starts with something of substance. You
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assume the guys come into the room and said, hello, Matthew,
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how are you? Do you see what I'm saying?
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Oh, absolutely. You don't get involved with mundanities.
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Exactly. And you can't footnote a movie. So I expect
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that that movie will be very, how do I say this, whatever,
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the critique will be meaningless. Because if you take it
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out of context, it is meaningless, you know?
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Absolutely. The vibe was... itself is meaningless without taking it
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out of context. So I agree with you. But I
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would also like to throw something in there, and that
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is this. I think that it's fantastic. I think that
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you don't actually really get any kind of real recognition
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until somebody... gives you a criticism. That's when you really
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start to make a difference because then people start talking
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about it. Well, if this is this, then what about that?
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And if hypothetically A was to occur, then C surely
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would follow. And my hope is that people will, more
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people will come out and critique the movie or even, quote,
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criticize it. Because all it does is show that you're
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listening to a person who is a self-proclaimed, what did
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he call himself?
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A hobbyist? What?
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Yeah, a demolition hobbyist. Now, I've been searching my soul
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for the word demolition hobbyist. What do those words mean?
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If I was anybody in charge, I'd be looking at
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that fellow right there as a nut job and a
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potential old loose cannon. How are you at it?
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I'm sorry? You're talking about Brad?
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Oh, yes.
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Opens the movie?
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Mm-hmm.
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Well, Brad is a friend of mine, and he, ever
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since he was young, was fascinated by controlled demolition. So
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his hobby was to study demolition. So that was a...
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I mean, how do you explain that quickly?
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Well, you say a hobby researcher, demolition hobby researcher.
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Hmm.
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Demolition hobby, it sounds like your hobby is making demolitions.
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Or studying them.
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Well, yes, I agree with you, but you see what
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I'm saying, too, I imagine. It's like you say, everything
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has two meanings. If you only give one thing, people
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who are not, say, so open-minded may not realize that
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that's what he was saying.
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Well.
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Of course, they may not realize it, but again, as
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I said, you can twist and turn anything if you
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feel like it. And I would challenge people to come
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up with a better phrase for that.
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What I just said is what I think you should use.
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Demolition researcher. What a researcher, though.
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It was his hobby to study demolition.
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I think the word is avocational. That might work out better.
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An avocational what? Demolitionist?
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I don't know. I don't get hung up on it.
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It's okay with me.
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You see, for one thing, whatever he does, studying demolition
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as a hobby, is not very common. So there's no
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term for it. So you have to make one. But anyway,
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if they look into Brad's history, he's never demolished anything. So,
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you know, what is it all about? It's manufacturing... insults, really.
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Well, that's what one of these Screw 9-11 Mysteries is about.
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And most of the characters who are paid to do this,
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as this individual or individuals were, and we've quoted other
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people who have written for Rolling Stone and, I guess,
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National Review and such, and it's really right to the
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ad hominem attacks, vulgarity quite often. And they don't have
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to stand behind any blanket statements they make. And I
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want to give you an example of one of them
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that caught me. But before we go any further, I
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just want to let everybody know that we're talking to
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Sophia Smallstorm. She is the documentary filmmaker. It is called
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9-11 Mysteries, and we have with us also retired Sergeant
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Matthew Tartagli. We're talking about 9-11 folks again. If you
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want to make comments or questions, send them on in.
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We've got a few, and then I'm going to bring
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something up to you, Sophia, which I think is when
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they talk about straw arguments or what I would call distraction,
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that these folks did who made Screw 9-11 Mysteries, which
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is such a wonderfully academic title to begin with. We
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have a couple of things. Somebody said, I guess this
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goes back in reference to the 9-11 singles thing. It says,
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I'll be going to dinner with a couple of professors
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and we'll try to keep my mouth shut most of
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the time. They are somewhat clueless and know that I
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am not. Social gatherings are sometimes rough to want to
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brook 9-11 issues. Also, somebody wants to know, do you
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have any Native American blood in you? Who, me? Yeah.
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No.
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Okay. And thirdly, somebody would like to know perhaps some
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of the, I guess, parameters of equipment you use and
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such for making the documentary.
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He's a Canadian that's been on the show.
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Would you be opposed if I sent his email along
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to perhaps provide whatever information you could? Sure. Okay. Now,
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and I'll do that right after the show, here's one
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of the things that bugs me that I caught. The
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film talks about, I guess, the information that you had
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about the firefighters, Oreo and Palmer, and the communications they
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had with other personnel in the NYFD in that south tower. Now,
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we have Oreo stating that there are small fires on
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the 73rd floor that can be knocked down, with two hoses.
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So this other thing goes on to say, this hit
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piece goes on to say, well, the fires were really
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on the 83rd and they were red hot. And here's
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the one thing, and I don't know if you've thought
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about this, and this isn't a big aha, fine, Sophia,
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but I mean, here to me, using mainstream news, shows
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one of the biggest contradictions that there is. We know
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the transcripts, the transmissions, took place to the very moment
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the South Tower collapsed top to bottom. Are you agreed
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with that? The transmissions were ended at the time of
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its 958 or whatever when the South Tower collapsed. So
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I don't care if there's fire on the 83rd, 82nd, 80th, 75th.
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Here's the point. If that building is where led to believe,
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burnt to a crisp, top to bottom, and then dropped
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in however many seconds, 8 or 10, why would anybody
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be alive and active in a building that should have
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been an absolute disaster? You see my point? So it's like,
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how can these guys be in there on whatever floor?
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And obviously conversing with other personnel, and all of a sudden,
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what is it? I mean, they get flashed, fried at
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the moment, you know, the tower collapses. You see where
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I'm going with this? If it's going to be hot
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top to bottom, how can you have anybody in there
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that's alive and well, you know?
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I know, and one of the criticisms levied at the
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movie when I say is that witnesses weren't, or survivors
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didn't discuss, didn't talk about the, you know, heat in
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the towers. People said, well, they weren't alive to talk
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about it. But the point is, I'm talking about people
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who survived it, so they were alive. But again, you
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can go around and around and around in these arguments
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because what people are really doing is they are taking
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things out of context. They're Even destroying the use of
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the English language. I mean, I looked up hobbyist right
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now in the dictionary. And it says, for hobby, a
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pursuit outside one's regular occupation engaged in. especially for relaxation.
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So a hobbyist would be someone who has a pursuit
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outside one's regular occupation. So if demolitions is a pursuit,
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we are assuming this is a study of demolitions. This
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can be a very broad encapsulation. But there's no point
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splitting hairs with people like this because that's what they
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want you to do is engage on their level. And
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you'll waste your time. You'll never do anything else productive.
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Well, we like to call it sometimes... the tar baby
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syndrome where somebody challenges you and you feel you have
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to defend the work you've done or your honor or whatever,
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and then you get involved. And before you know it,
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you can't extricate yourself from it. It's also like what
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00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:03.680
we call trying to wrestle with seaweed, which is one
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of the reasons why I don't defend myself in blogs
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00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:07.960
and such, because it's just a place, as you, I think,
491
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:10.880
are alluding to, to drain your resources, take up your time,
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and make sure you don't do anything else productive. In
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this case, though, I will say two things. One, I
494
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didn't mind taking that up myself. because I've been there before,
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and when I do state this, and I say, go
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look in the New York Times, read it for yourself,
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you tell me how somebody can be alive in a
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building that is an inferno top to bottom. You can't
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have it both ways, folks. And you know what? That
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00:28:29.180 --> 00:28:31.099
stops it right then and there. At least it has
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to my satisfaction. Matthew, you got anything you want to
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00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:34.460
weigh in on with that?
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Well, I happen to agree with the statement that, you know,
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if you want to split hairs and everything like that,
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that you're really... I think taking away from yourself, you know,
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like you said, you know, why get on a blog
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00:28:51.539 --> 00:28:54.259
and defend what you already believe? If you have to
508
00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:57.329
defend it, you're more or less saying, I don't really
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believe it, so here's some more proof, or here's some
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00:29:00.309 --> 00:29:03.509
more of my energy. And I do agree with Sophia
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that you can, you know, misconstrue any word you want.
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But I found it extremely interesting and applaudable, even, that
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Sophia would say, well, I know this man and stick
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up for him. I think that that is a very
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00:29:24.460 --> 00:29:30.700
telling statement. very telling of who she is, what type
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of person she is. So we're not talking about, in
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my opinion anyway, I mean, I've never met this woman
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in person or I've spoke to her at any other time.
519
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:43.680
She sure does not sound like some kind of dingbat
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00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:47.420
to me who just says whatever comes to her mind
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because she likes to see what she writes or hear
522
00:29:49.769 --> 00:29:51.369
her voice on video.
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00:29:52.089 --> 00:29:53.750
So, Theo, I want to thank you for sending along
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that new edition of the documentary. And I sent that
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00:29:58.369 --> 00:30:01.009
along to Matthew, so he's seen the very latest, by
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the way.
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Yes, I think it's fantastic. I think it's very fantastic.
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I think there were a lot of things that have
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been really touched upon. But you've done it in a really...
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layman's type of way where for instance the use of
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the heater where you're showing the use of the heater
532
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and everything like that and you know how this works
533
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.130
and how all these different things work and they work
534
00:30:25.269 --> 00:30:27.950
all day long all night long and they've been working
535
00:30:27.990 --> 00:30:31.250
and they're going to continue to work I think you
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00:30:31.269 --> 00:30:32.509
did a fantastic job.
537
00:30:32.910 --> 00:30:35.740
Well, I just want you to know, that's my heater.
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00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:40.119
I heat my house with jet fuel. And guess what?
539
00:30:40.140 --> 00:30:43.759
My house is freezing. No, no, no, you guys, listen.
540
00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:47.750
My house is freezing. I can't get it warm enough
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00:30:48.289 --> 00:30:50.509
with jet fuel, okay? So how do I bring the
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00:30:50.569 --> 00:30:51.269
towers down?
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I agree a thousand percent, you know. And then there's
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business about only wood makes dark houses. unburned fuel marks, i.e. smoke, please,
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00:31:04.660 --> 00:31:09.700
you know, even oil that's burning, it does not burn
546
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:14.339
all of the oil. So there is unburned black oil. So,
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00:31:14.420 --> 00:31:16.140
I mean, you could take this thing apart for a
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00:31:16.259 --> 00:31:17.140
long time.
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It's not worth it, as I say. You know, you
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00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:24.650
have to, every word in that narration was studied over
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00:31:24.769 --> 00:31:27.430
and over and over to make sure that it wasn't
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It didn't convey some kind of ambiguity. And I did
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the very best I could. And I am open to suggestions.
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If you don't like something in the narration, mail me
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00:31:40.430 --> 00:31:43.509
a suggestion as to how it could be improved without
556
00:31:43.609 --> 00:31:47.390
changing the meaning. Now, this is very important in editing.
557
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Editing is an art in and of itself. Writing is
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one thing. Editing is another thing. And we have to
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00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:58.640
be precise. The language is a standard. If I were
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to watch Screw 9-11 Mysteries, I would be fascinated to
561
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:05.420
listen to their use of language or read it, because
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I think it's apparently just written comment. And I'm telling you,
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00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:12.470
I could slice and dice from here to eternity on
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that alone.
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00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:15.920
What we're dealing with here, obviously, is the lack of
566
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an ability to debate. So, in other words, you come
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out with what you've come out with and you said.
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00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.559
I mean, in an hour, in 90 minutes, you're only
569
00:32:22.579 --> 00:32:24.019
going to be able to touch so many bases, and
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00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:26.440
that was the intent. Well, then someone else comes back on,
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00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:29.900
last word, if you will, and then extrapolates, does things,
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attacks other stuff. And then, of course, it would make
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more sense in a debate type of format that there
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would be a response to that, which there may or
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00:32:37.569 --> 00:32:39.650
may not be. And I'm not saying you're intending to
576
00:32:39.690 --> 00:32:41.890
do that. But it's the old bit about, you know,
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00:32:42.029 --> 00:32:43.809
for the people who really don't want the truth, a
578
00:32:44.710 --> 00:32:46.710
lot of them will take the last word said. You
579
00:32:46.730 --> 00:32:48.319
know what I mean? And they'll go with that if
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00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:50.460
it suits them. And like you said, Sophia, I mean...
581
00:32:51.490 --> 00:32:53.430
You can't change the hearts and minds of an entire
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nation if they don't want it to be that way.
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00:32:55.329 --> 00:32:58.329
Right. And the other thing that I'd like to say
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00:32:58.349 --> 00:33:02.569
is that I tried to make a beautiful movie, not
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00:33:02.609 --> 00:33:06.470
just a factual movie or a science-based movie. I wanted
586
00:33:06.509 --> 00:33:10.019
to make a beautiful movie. So I had another goal
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as well.
588
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:11.740
Right?
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And art is a living thing. And there are plenty
590
00:33:15.339 --> 00:33:17.640
of people who have emailed me and called me and said,
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you know, I love your movie except for this one thing.
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And they tell me what it is and they ask
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00:33:22.579 --> 00:33:24.980
me to take it out. And after listening to these
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00:33:25.059 --> 00:33:28.579
kinds of little objections over a period of several months,
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00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.900
it dawned on me that if I took out everything
596
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:34.400
that everybody didn't like, guess what?
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00:33:34.420 --> 00:33:35.470
You'd have nothing yet.
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00:33:36.130 --> 00:33:36.289
Yes.
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We had nothing here.
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So the thing has to add up. There's stuff in
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00:33:40.849 --> 00:33:43.589
the movie I don't like, but I put it in
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00:33:43.630 --> 00:33:47.079
there because other people wanted it in there. So the
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00:33:47.150 --> 00:33:51.799
whole thing together has affected millions of people.
604
00:33:52.660 --> 00:33:56.440
Okay. I'm glad you said that too, Sophia, because people sometimes,
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and they don't mean this derogatorily or negatively, And I
606
00:34:02.829 --> 00:34:04.730
know this just a little bit myself, but in your case,
607
00:34:04.769 --> 00:34:07.309
it's much more magnified. You have people out there who
608
00:34:07.349 --> 00:34:09.969
do care, who are touched by your work, and are
609
00:34:10.010 --> 00:34:13.349
trying to obviously do something they think would enhance maybe
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00:34:13.369 --> 00:34:16.340
the next edition. What they don't realize is that there's 4,000
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00:34:16.340 --> 00:34:20.119
of them. The person who has to be a recipient
612
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:23.699
of this, what is meant to be well-intentioned can sometimes
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00:34:23.739 --> 00:34:28.239
just be a little overwhelming and overwhelming. And it's only
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00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.239
being human, without a doubt. I happen to like it
615
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:33.500
just fine. If I were to stay here and tell
616
00:34:33.539 --> 00:34:37.210
you the messages I get about your documentary and how
617
00:34:37.250 --> 00:34:40.690
much they like it, it would be redundant, but that's
618
00:34:40.730 --> 00:34:42.789
what everybody comes in with. And I know Matthew felt
619
00:34:42.809 --> 00:34:43.949
the same way, and so did I.
620
00:34:44.590 --> 00:34:47.639
Yeah. Well, I'm not trying to sound defensive. I understand
621
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that people like it, and it has an effect. And
622
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.960
most of all, it has an emotional effect on people,
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00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:59.000
and that's what gives it its viral quality. People want
624
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:02.000
to pass this on because they were affected by this.
625
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:04.699
It's not just the information.
626
00:35:06.019 --> 00:35:07.780
And, you know, the other thing is, I'm just going
627
00:35:07.820 --> 00:35:09.400
to take a wild guess. If not, let me be
628
00:35:09.420 --> 00:35:12.420
the first one to posit this. Does anybody ever accuse
629
00:35:12.460 --> 00:35:13.179
you of being too nice?
630
00:35:15.050 --> 00:35:15.989
Me tonight?
631
00:35:16.010 --> 00:35:16.230
Yeah.
632
00:35:17.170 --> 00:35:18.250
Oh, I don't think so.
633
00:35:18.289 --> 00:35:22.570
Well, you just have been. I mean, you know, I'm
634
00:35:23.690 --> 00:35:26.420
wired and geared a little bit differently than you, I know,
635
00:35:26.619 --> 00:35:29.000
and I'm glad you take the stance you do. It
636
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:31.300
ticks me off to a great extent, and sometimes, you know,
637
00:35:31.460 --> 00:35:33.969
I just think... Something's got to be said or done.
638
00:35:34.389 --> 00:35:37.489
It never really does completely answer the situation, but I
639
00:35:37.570 --> 00:35:39.650
do think there's some merit to it at times. I
640
00:35:39.670 --> 00:35:41.010
don't make a habit out of it, but I will
641
00:35:41.050 --> 00:35:42.769
say this, Sophia, and I know this is going to
642
00:35:42.789 --> 00:35:44.610
be a little bit on the dark side, but I
643
00:35:44.670 --> 00:35:46.070
want to ask you this also. You don't have to
644
00:35:46.090 --> 00:35:49.449
get involved with naming names, but something has become very,
645
00:35:49.489 --> 00:35:53.960
very apparent, palpable, and disconcerting. And I'm going to go
646
00:35:53.980 --> 00:35:55.980
to Sophia first with this. Matthew, tell me if you
647
00:35:56.019 --> 00:35:58.699
picked up on this. I don't know if it's the
648
00:35:58.739 --> 00:36:01.199
time of the season or what's coming up or just
649
00:36:01.219 --> 00:36:04.280
an extension of a dialectic going on around the world,
650
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:06.780
but it seems to me there's an awful lot of
651
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:12.630
spooks and traitors and two-faces and quislings that are popping
652
00:36:12.730 --> 00:36:15.409
up everywhere supposedly on the right side of the street.
653
00:36:15.989 --> 00:36:19.530
And this is something I think is becoming very problematic.
654
00:36:20.190 --> 00:36:22.610
Probably something that also prods me to want to address
655
00:36:22.630 --> 00:36:24.949
some of this stuff because I'll tell you what, these
656
00:36:25.010 --> 00:36:26.949
creatures are coming out of the woodwork at this time
657
00:36:26.969 --> 00:36:29.280
in our lives. Sophia, so first of all, have you
658
00:36:29.429 --> 00:36:30.639
experienced anything like that?
659
00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:34.980
Well, I know that in 9-11 everybody's fond of calling
660
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:38.019
everybody else a spook. I've been called a federal agent.
661
00:36:38.179 --> 00:36:40.860
There are people who insist that everything in my profile
662
00:36:40.900 --> 00:36:44.119
fits out of a federal agent. So I'm not going
663
00:36:44.139 --> 00:36:46.460
to go into the details on the air, but I
664
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:50.179
can tell you, it's laughable. It's hysterical.
665
00:36:50.929 --> 00:36:54.250
It's hysterical myself, and I can't even call you a
666
00:36:54.269 --> 00:36:56.550
federal agent, but that's just my own opinion.
667
00:36:57.250 --> 00:37:01.349
Well, I think it's because female federal agents are too nice, right? No,
668
00:37:01.369 --> 00:37:01.989
not at all.
669
00:37:02.250 --> 00:37:05.360
No, not at all. How do you know? Because I
670
00:37:05.389 --> 00:37:08.840
don't think you come across as a federal agent. Well,
671
00:37:08.860 --> 00:37:09.400
there you are.
672
00:37:09.460 --> 00:37:11.980
I mean, it's, again, perception. So to get back to
673
00:37:12.019 --> 00:37:17.119
the question of spooks and traitors and quizlings, I think
674
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:21.619
that human nature explains an awful lot of this. Humans
675
00:37:21.780 --> 00:37:25.969
cannot get along, and I think we have been manipulated.
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00:37:26.530 --> 00:37:31.260
Our natural cooperation... which does exist. If you were the
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00:37:31.420 --> 00:37:34.659
only person on the earth and you knew about fire
678
00:37:35.179 --> 00:37:37.969
and it helped you in whatever you were doing, survival,
679
00:37:38.110 --> 00:37:40.610
and then let's say you ran into a second person
680
00:37:40.670 --> 00:37:42.630
and found out you weren't the only person on the earth,
681
00:37:42.670 --> 00:37:45.250
he didn't know about fire, you did. You would show
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00:37:45.309 --> 00:37:48.349
him fire and he would show you something. And that's
683
00:37:48.409 --> 00:37:51.920
how we naturally are. We are here to augment and
684
00:37:52.019 --> 00:37:56.179
help each other's existence. But this has been manipulated by
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00:37:56.219 --> 00:38:00.239
the powers that be, so our natural cooperation is devolved
686
00:38:00.500 --> 00:38:08.130
into competition, which is further manipulated and devolved into conflict,
687
00:38:08.829 --> 00:38:12.789
which is further manipulated and devolved into the most base
688
00:38:12.949 --> 00:38:18.590
form of human existence, which is animalistic. Eat or be eaten,
689
00:38:18.969 --> 00:38:20.480
kill or be killed.
690
00:38:20.780 --> 00:38:23.519
Absolutely. Back to Olympic thinking. Yes.
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00:38:23.739 --> 00:38:28.260
So we can be cooperative and loving and live in harmony,
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00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:32.699
but we are manipulated into being each other's enemy and
693
00:38:32.860 --> 00:38:38.230
finding fault and not trusting one another and then accusing
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00:38:38.289 --> 00:38:43.030
each other and naming that person worthy of being dead.
695
00:38:43.690 --> 00:38:46.190
You know, that's what we do. It's kill or be killed.
696
00:38:46.230 --> 00:38:49.800
Look at what's happening socially. So this isn't who we
697
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:53.829
are naturally. And I think that We're here to transcend
698
00:38:54.010 --> 00:38:57.150
all this, if it's at all possible. And every moment
699
00:38:57.230 --> 00:39:00.489
of the day, you have choice. You can make a
700
00:39:00.530 --> 00:39:04.199
choice as to whether to do something or think something
701
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:08.760
positive or negative. And I'm not talking new age frou-frou here.
702
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:12.760
I'm talking make a decision in every moment that benefits
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00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:15.590
you and others together, not just you.
704
00:39:16.889 --> 00:39:20.699
Sophia, at this time, please talk about the website and
705
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.900
the DVD and what's new out there with regard to
706
00:39:24.019 --> 00:39:24.500
the content.
707
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:29.570
Well, I found some other footage of squibs. I improved
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00:39:29.590 --> 00:39:33.139
the squibs. section. I also was contacted by a woman
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00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:37.059
from NBC, a camera woman, and she sent me some
710
00:39:37.099 --> 00:39:40.690
footage that she had shot, which I included. And then
711
00:39:40.789 --> 00:39:45.130
I clarified a few other things. I hit Larry Silverstein
712
00:39:45.150 --> 00:39:49.860
a little harder. I found that he had received about $ 3. 4
713
00:39:49.300 --> 00:39:56.719
billion in Liberty bonds and added to the $ 4. 65 billion
714
00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:59.239
that he eventually got in insurance settlements.
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Came to $ 8.
716
00:39:59.239 --> 00:39:59.960
05 billion.
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00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:00.329
So I.
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00:40:03.260 --> 00:40:07.619
Upped his lovely $ 7 billion, which was his initial award,
719
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although he didn't collect on it, to $ 8 billion. So
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00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:18.440
that was in there. And what else? I clarified a
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few things in the text. There was wind load that
722
00:40:20.980 --> 00:40:25.840
the towers were getting from the hurricane-force winds, and I
723
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:29.179
compared those in a text addition to the impact of
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the jetliner. Because a lot of people, these are things
725
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that people don't really understand. And once again, you can't
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footnote the whole movie. So here and there I threw
727
00:40:39.710 --> 00:40:42.969
in little clarifications. But I would say the footage itself
728
00:40:43.050 --> 00:40:46.760
is probably less than 10% different. And if you don't
729
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:49.820
know the movie very, very well, you would not even
730
00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:54.139
notice where it's changed. So it's effectively the same movie.
731
00:40:54.579 --> 00:40:56.880
Also, as you know, I think it's a very good
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00:40:56.900 --> 00:40:58.760
source of people, too, especially if they want to do
733
00:40:58.780 --> 00:41:01.269
anything based on the research itself. There are people who
734
00:41:01.369 --> 00:41:05.369
are brave enough in academic settings to want to take
735
00:41:05.389 --> 00:41:09.340
this on when the situation presents itself in their studies.
736
00:41:10.139 --> 00:41:12.619
And having something like that transcript there makes it much,
737
00:41:12.820 --> 00:41:16.059
much easier and more powerful when they want to.
738
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:17.019
Go ahead and quote.
739
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.260
You know, when you have electronic resources, you kind of
740
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:22.679
like lose, like you just said too before, you know,
741
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:27.090
the thing is movies, documentaries, visual material does not come
742
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.820
with footnotes or endnotes or bibliographies. For the most part,
743
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:33.610
at the end, yes, you can have them. But you
744
00:41:33.630 --> 00:41:36.090
don't have that expanded capability. And if you did, it
745
00:41:36.130 --> 00:41:37.530
would be boring and nobody would watch it.
746
00:41:37.949 --> 00:41:38.349
Exactly.
747
00:41:38.510 --> 00:41:41.170
But with that transcript, I think that's a pretty heavy
748
00:41:41.329 --> 00:41:41.969
tool to use.
749
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:44.719
So the narrator script on the website, yes.
750
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:45.760
Yes, yes.
751
00:41:45.780 --> 00:41:48.179
It helps people to translate as well. You know, people
752
00:41:48.219 --> 00:41:51.820
are doing translations, which is amazing, by themselves.
753
00:41:52.780 --> 00:41:54.980
I know that's no small task, and I see that
754
00:41:55.539 --> 00:41:58.739
I guess the number of languages that are now available
755
00:41:58.940 --> 00:42:01.679
are growing pretty rapidly.
756
00:42:01.980 --> 00:42:07.269
Someone's working on Portuguese. Someone's working on Italian. And we've
757
00:42:07.289 --> 00:42:10.309
had inquiries about Japanese, so I think there's somebody doing
758
00:42:10.349 --> 00:42:11.590
the Japanese as well.
759
00:42:12.969 --> 00:42:15.210
You know, one of the things that.
760
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:19.059
The statements that are being made by those who decry
761
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:22.130
what really happened in 9-11. And it happened, again, in
762
00:42:22.150 --> 00:42:25.929
this particular situation. And I wish for you to speak
763
00:42:25.949 --> 00:42:28.769
to it, if you would, from what you've done research-wise.
764
00:42:29.489 --> 00:42:32.449
I've seen this so many times, Sophia, it's almost like,
765
00:42:32.619 --> 00:42:37.550
you know, it's standard procedure. for all these characters. One
766
00:42:37.570 --> 00:42:38.909
of the things they do is they try to take
767
00:42:38.929 --> 00:42:42.389
the high ground by talking about the structural damage that
768
00:42:42.409 --> 00:42:44.409
the planes did to the towers and how that was
769
00:42:44.469 --> 00:42:48.530
responsible for somehow dropping them. First of all, there's never
770
00:42:48.570 --> 00:42:52.119
been anything to indicate there was structural damage of a
771
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:55.159
radical kind. I mean, we're still dealing, I'm sorry, with
772
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:58.840
aluminum tubes, folks, and that's not going to win out
773
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:01.719
when it hits a building... The Trey Towers or otherwise.
774
00:43:02.619 --> 00:43:06.010
And secondly, okay, so we have damage. What does that
775
00:43:06.050 --> 00:43:08.449
do to the underpinnings of the floor? We're not talking
776
00:43:08.469 --> 00:43:09.989
about the building. We're not talking about the fifth floor
777
00:43:10.010 --> 00:43:12.510
or so. So have you encountered this bit about this
778
00:43:12.570 --> 00:43:17.719
blanket unchallenged statement about the structural damage that the planes
779
00:43:17.739 --> 00:43:18.639
did to the towers?
780
00:43:19.340 --> 00:43:21.769
Well, of course. And then one thing I would say
781
00:43:21.809 --> 00:43:24.670
in response is, well, let's just look at Building 7.
782
00:43:24.670 --> 00:43:27.230
That wasn't hit by a plane, and that came down
783
00:43:27.570 --> 00:43:30.760
just as fast, basically, as the Twin Towers, if you
784
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:33.440
compare its size to the size of the tower. Six
785
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:36.440
and a half seconds. down to the ground, you know,
786
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:40.849
completely gone. So where's the logic that they're using applied
787
00:43:40.889 --> 00:43:43.409
to Building 7? And then the second thing that I
788
00:43:43.429 --> 00:43:46.889
would say is we're looking at time itself proving to
789
00:43:47.030 --> 00:43:50.070
us that the impact of the planes didn't do much
790
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:53.500
to the towers. They stood there. They stood there for
791
00:43:53.539 --> 00:43:55.940
an hour in one case and almost an hour and
792
00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:59.719
a half in the other. And they didn't get worse.
793
00:44:01.269 --> 00:44:02.250
Agreed.
794
00:44:02.289 --> 00:44:04.829
They stood there. They would have stood there with those
795
00:44:04.889 --> 00:44:06.949
holes in them if no one had repaired the holes.
796
00:44:07.530 --> 00:44:12.570
So the jet plane impact was the magician's trick. It
797
00:44:12.610 --> 00:44:15.519
was what was necessary in order for the public to
798
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:20.179
believe that the towers came down, that the towers didn't
799
00:44:20.219 --> 00:44:22.699
come down because of some other method. We all saw
800
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:26.079
the planes hitting the towers. So an hour later they fall. Well,
801
00:44:26.219 --> 00:44:27.840
it had to be because the planes hit them because
802
00:44:27.860 --> 00:44:31.480
that never happened before. The public is simplistic.
803
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:36.159
Well, I'll tell you why. Again, even the other day,
804
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:39.500
I had a chance to talk to a neighbor. And,
805
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:41.260
you know, you're going to yell at me for this,
806
00:44:41.300 --> 00:44:44.030
but I still go back to saying the people who
807
00:44:44.090 --> 00:44:46.369
are older and have a clue and have seen decades
808
00:44:46.429 --> 00:44:50.710
of history and are very well aware of the prevarication
809
00:44:50.730 --> 00:44:53.730
that the government has performed upon us for the last,
810
00:44:53.789 --> 00:44:57.230
who knows what, 100 or 200 years, you get a
811
00:44:57.230 --> 00:44:59.820
chance to talk to somebody and talk logic. And if
812
00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:02.179
they can just park all their pretty suppositions and if
813
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:05.659
they're asked to tell me how they know what they
814
00:45:05.699 --> 00:45:08.150
know and where that comes from and how they can
815
00:45:08.190 --> 00:45:11.849
trust that, you know what? It really isn't a hard sell.
816
00:45:11.889 --> 00:45:14.050
The thing you come up against, of course, though, are
817
00:45:14.070 --> 00:45:16.630
for those who automatically go to the end of the
818
00:45:16.670 --> 00:45:21.260
line to the end result and realize, oh, well, I
819
00:45:21.300 --> 00:45:23.239
guess our government really isn't our friend. And we went
820
00:45:23.260 --> 00:45:26.690
through that the last time around. So I think when
821
00:45:26.730 --> 00:45:27.989
you do get a chance to talk to them and
822
00:45:28.010 --> 00:45:30.130
let them use some kind of logic and think about
823
00:45:30.150 --> 00:45:33.829
the way things really react, it isn't so hard to sell.
824
00:45:34.269 --> 00:45:35.989
And I don't know if you get into conversations, and
825
00:45:36.010 --> 00:45:38.389
I'm going to ask you and then Matthew, do you
826
00:45:38.429 --> 00:45:41.349
ever get a chance, like on the street or in
827
00:45:41.369 --> 00:45:45.449
the happenstance way I've been describing it, about being able
828
00:45:45.469 --> 00:45:47.469
to talk to somebody about it and go, okay, look,
829
00:45:47.489 --> 00:45:49.760
go figure it out, but ask yourself this, that, and
830
00:45:49.780 --> 00:45:52.230
the other. Does that happen to you outside your role
831
00:45:52.449 --> 00:45:55.849
as a DVD producer, a documentary producer? Sure.
832
00:45:55.989 --> 00:45:58.420
And I must say that I probably have about the
833
00:45:58.460 --> 00:46:01.340
same success rate as everyone else. I lose more than
834
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:05.320
I win. I mean, I tell people the towers came
835
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:09.170
down in 10 seconds. 110 stories, that's 10 floors a second. Now,
836
00:46:09.250 --> 00:46:12.389
how does that happen unless something is blowing the floors
837
00:46:12.449 --> 00:46:14.489
out of the way? And I use my hands. I
838
00:46:14.550 --> 00:46:16.699
do this with my hands. And I can see their
839
00:46:16.780 --> 00:46:20.699
eyes widening. Now, I've created my little Independent Thinkers 9-11
840
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:23.590
fact sheet, the postcard, and that is a great help.
841
00:46:24.170 --> 00:46:26.409
I carry that with me at all times, and I
842
00:46:26.449 --> 00:46:29.639
hand one to somebody and have them read one fact,
843
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:32.719
just one fact, explain that fact to me, and they can.
844
00:46:33.329 --> 00:46:37.650
So that helps. But, you know, it's really hit and miss.
845
00:46:37.789 --> 00:46:41.400
It's all about consciousness. You'll hit someone at the right moment.
846
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:45.659
Something will have happened yesterday. It's about exposure. 9-11 is
847
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:50.539
a sale thing. Between five to eight exposures and they'll buy.
848
00:46:50.980 --> 00:46:53.639
So maybe somebody told them yesterday and they said, oh,
849
00:46:53.659 --> 00:46:55.510
you know, you're the third person to tell me this
850
00:46:55.570 --> 00:46:56.550
now in a week.
851
00:46:57.230 --> 00:46:57.550
Hey, Matt.
852
00:46:58.170 --> 00:46:58.389
Go ahead.
853
00:46:58.429 --> 00:46:59.070
I'm sorry, Sophia.
854
00:46:59.429 --> 00:47:03.170
No, they're more prone. They're more whatever.
855
00:47:03.449 --> 00:47:03.869
Inclined?
856
00:47:04.210 --> 00:47:05.789
Inclined to listening.
857
00:47:07.070 --> 00:47:10.469
Matthew, have you had a chance to pitch your experiences
858
00:47:10.610 --> 00:47:13.019
or what we're sharing here?
859
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:16.960
Actually, you know the one person who has the hardest
860
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:20.039
time with it, the newspaper fellow.
861
00:47:20.139 --> 00:47:20.460
Okay.
862
00:47:20.900 --> 00:47:24.360
And that's about it. Everybody else that I speak to,
863
00:47:24.469 --> 00:47:27.389
they either respect what I'm saying and they say, look,
864
00:47:27.409 --> 00:47:32.570
you know what? I was not there. I do not
865
00:47:32.630 --> 00:47:37.659
have any of the training you have. And therefore, everything
866
00:47:37.739 --> 00:47:42.239
I'm saying is based on hope, that our government would
867
00:47:42.300 --> 00:47:47.530
not be involved, hope that there's an explanation that makes
868
00:47:47.730 --> 00:47:53.690
everything okay so I, them, can sleep at night. And
869
00:47:55.949 --> 00:47:57.940
the last thing that people say to me all the
870
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:05.199
time is, how can anybody truly know when we still
871
00:48:05.300 --> 00:48:08.079
are trying to find out what happened to John F. Kennedy,
872
00:48:08.460 --> 00:48:12.219
what happened to Pearl Harbor, what happened to the taxes,
873
00:48:12.500 --> 00:48:15.530
why do we pay income tax, et cetera, et cetera.
874
00:48:15.969 --> 00:48:17.750
And I think that's very true, and I'm going to
875
00:48:17.809 --> 00:48:20.150
leave it off with this. I was at a party,
876
00:48:20.170 --> 00:48:23.500
a gathering, right after 9-11, I guess about 9-11-2001, that is.
877
00:48:30.170 --> 00:48:33.980
And someone said, do you have your pin that they
878
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:38.019
had purchased? And, of course, my pin did not come
879
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:42.340
from a store. It had come from an award. And
880
00:48:42.380 --> 00:48:45.010
I said, yes, I am wearing my pin, but I
881
00:48:45.030 --> 00:48:49.130
didn't buy mine. A lot of people are in this
882
00:48:49.670 --> 00:48:55.110
me too-ism that they want to be part of it.
883
00:48:55.130 --> 00:48:58.090
And they create a lot of havoc, a lot of
884
00:48:58.170 --> 00:49:03.289
dissent by pointing fingers. And I like to just say...
885
00:49:04.139 --> 00:49:07.530
Just remember, when you point one finger forward at somebody,
886
00:49:07.590 --> 00:49:11.230
three more point back at you. So until you're cleaned
887
00:49:11.349 --> 00:49:13.570
up and you've got all your P's and Q's in order,
888
00:49:13.590 --> 00:49:16.269
really there's nothing to say. And I'll tell you the truth,
889
00:49:16.309 --> 00:49:19.590
I've been arguing less and less with people because I realize...
890
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:23.099
a man or woman changed against their will is always
891
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:24.320
the same opinion still.
892
00:49:25.309 --> 00:49:27.809
Sophia, I'd like to ask you something, and this might
893
00:49:27.829 --> 00:49:29.590
be speculation, but still and all I'd like to hear
894
00:49:29.610 --> 00:49:33.440
what you have to say about it. One of the
895
00:49:33.500 --> 00:49:37.000
things with our show, from its inception five years ago,
896
00:49:37.019 --> 00:49:40.519
is that we were never Democrats nor Republicans. Both Harry
897
00:49:40.539 --> 00:49:45.789
and myself gave up that little theater a long time ago. However,
898
00:49:45.809 --> 00:49:50.329
I find that Democrats would cleave to what I do
899
00:49:50.869 --> 00:49:54.340
because they think I'm whacking Bush in a Republican administration,
900
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:57.019
which I'm not. Whoever's in the Oval Office, they do
901
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.119
what they're supposed to do. So let me ask you this. One...
902
00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:03.219
I don't even know if you think political parties make
903
00:50:03.260 --> 00:50:05.639
a difference, but if you don't, what I'd like to
904
00:50:05.710 --> 00:50:09.809
ask you is, if we see the Democrats take the
905
00:50:09.929 --> 00:50:12.289
Oval Office as they have the Hill, do you think
906
00:50:12.329 --> 00:50:15.389
that there will be some dropping off of support for
907
00:50:15.409 --> 00:50:18.329
finding out what really happened on 9-11? Because a lot
908
00:50:18.349 --> 00:50:20.429
of Democrats were on board just to have it be
909
00:50:20.489 --> 00:50:22.699
attached to Bush and Republicans.
910
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:27.139
Do I think there's going to be a dropping of support?
911
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:29.460
You mean do I think they're going to be less
912
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:30.539
likely to look into 9-11s?
913
00:50:31.670 --> 00:50:37.769
Yes, one, whether that's become tangible already, or two, if
914
00:50:37.829 --> 00:50:40.230
it hasn't, do you think that's a possibility that this
915
00:50:40.250 --> 00:50:42.840
will start to get partisan when it really isn't, I
916
00:50:42.860 --> 00:50:43.860
don't think, a partisan issue?
917
00:50:44.860 --> 00:50:47.480
No. I mean, I think that the people in Congress
918
00:50:48.179 --> 00:50:50.840
very quickly learn what they're supposed to talk about and
919
00:50:50.900 --> 00:50:53.760
what they aren't supposed to talk about. And that's part
920
00:50:53.780 --> 00:50:58.659
of the whole charade. There's a social engineering that has
921
00:50:58.699 --> 00:51:01.880
been going on, and it is affecting everybody on all
922
00:51:01.940 --> 00:51:08.059
levels of this country. 9-11 is the boogeyman under our
923
00:51:08.139 --> 00:51:10.739
own bed, and nobody wants to talk about it. And
924
00:51:10.820 --> 00:51:14.619
just because there are Democrats in Washington now isn't going
925
00:51:14.659 --> 00:51:16.179
to make any difference.
926
00:51:17.099 --> 00:51:17.460
Agreed.
927
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:20.380
They're paid off the same way, bought off the same
928
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:21.699
way as the Republicans.
929
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:28.340
We have... two individuals from upstate New York, the Uticans
930
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:31.730
for 9-11 Truth, who came out of being Democrats, and
931
00:51:31.769 --> 00:51:34.570
I was too. I mean, I guess that's where I was. But,
932
00:51:34.849 --> 00:51:38.349
of course, in 2000, I realized, you know, why bother?
933
00:51:38.389 --> 00:51:41.329
It's just a shadow show. But I think that they're
934
00:51:41.369 --> 00:51:45.739
experiencing that there might be a sudden dousing of the flame,
935
00:51:45.820 --> 00:51:48.559
if you will, from the Republican end of things, as
936
00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:51.449
it looks like they may take over the situation. And
937
00:51:51.489 --> 00:51:54.849
that's unfortunate, but, again, that's human nature as well. But
938
00:51:55.130 --> 00:51:57.070
I really wish people would look at this not as
939
00:51:57.139 --> 00:52:00.760
bush bashing or anything, except we're dealing with the nature
940
00:52:00.780 --> 00:52:02.559
of government. And, of course, we talked about this last
941
00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:05.139
time out, and I believe you agreed, that we have
942
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:06.900
to take a look at all governments and wonder right
943
00:52:06.940 --> 00:52:08.719
now what their function is and if they really do.
944
00:52:10.460 --> 00:52:14.340
Are they really advocates of their citizenry, or are they adversaries?
945
00:52:14.789 --> 00:52:19.329
Well, I point to other examples. Domestic examples are very good.
946
00:52:19.769 --> 00:52:23.170
Ask yourself why they put fluoride in our toothpaste and
947
00:52:23.230 --> 00:52:28.210
drinking water, aluminum chlorohydrate in our deodorant, and aspartame in
948
00:52:28.250 --> 00:52:29.090
our soft drinks.
949
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:30.199
Why?
950
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:35.599
Is it just error, omission that the FDA approves these substances? No,
951
00:52:36.019 --> 00:52:39.920
that's not the answer. So ask a normal person why
952
00:52:40.059 --> 00:52:46.309
in three everyday items there are these neurotoxins. And ask
953
00:52:46.329 --> 00:52:47.449
them to figure it out.
954
00:52:47.869 --> 00:52:48.929
Population control.
955
00:52:49.750 --> 00:52:53.510
Yeah, so there's something else going on. That's right. So
956
00:52:53.530 --> 00:52:55.429
9-11 is just baby food.
957
00:52:55.449 --> 00:52:57.710
Part of it, right, exactly. I believe you're right.
958
00:52:57.750 --> 00:52:58.710
How scared is that?
959
00:52:58.730 --> 00:53:00.550
It's a part of a chain. It's just one link
960
00:53:00.610 --> 00:53:04.010
in a long chain that's been wrapped around our collective
961
00:53:04.070 --> 00:53:10.039
throats for generations and generations and generations and generations. We
962
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:15.760
were born slaves. We will die slaves. And the best
963
00:53:15.820 --> 00:53:18.420
we can do is fight the good fight in the meantime.
964
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I look back in time. I try to find as
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many books of antiquity, and I'm talking about anything as
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old as 60, 70 years old, or even before. But
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it really gets very interesting in the 20th century. As
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I look over one of the books in my library,
969
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I'm looking at, which is kind of hard to get through,
970
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but Trotsky's Terrorism and Communism. Also, I refer back to
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when a Republican in 1955... warned in a two-part speech
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at Yale that you should be very, very wary of
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giving up liberty for security. This in 1955, and that
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was in the face of the boogeyman at that time,
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which was more ideological than what we face now, and
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that is, of course, the Red Scare and communism. I think, Sophia,
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what's alarming, and I think that also people should gird
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themselves emotionally, and their families as well, is that this
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little terrorism card has been played always by governments. And
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this individual, by the way, and Sophia, if you ever
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do any research on him, it's kind of hard to
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find stuff, but his name is John Lord O'Brien. And
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he gave that speech, Security in an Age of Anxiety. Very,
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very prescient. But what's happened now also, terrorism has been
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brought back out again, and I think it's ramped up.
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the most severely it ever has been, certainly in my
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lifetime and perhaps in the whole existence of the United States.
988
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And 9-11, is it not, as you see it, an
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element of terrorism that can serve maybe two purposes, and
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one is to supposedly justify aggression abroad and justify fascism
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at home?
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Well, sure. I mean, it's to create and perpetuate fear,
993
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and fearful people are more easily controlled. They also have
994
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wilder imaginations. They'll also believe more.
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Yeah, and they'll lend themselves more to, I think, and
996
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here's where we look at it. And Matthew, too. Let
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me go to you first, and Sophia, if you want
998
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to chime in on this. But we see the state becoming.
999
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It's more expansive with everything that has occurred. And many
1000
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would argue since the Civil War we have become more monarchical,
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and that's been on purpose. But what it's doing now
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is like an abusive parent where it will obviously inflict
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pain on its citizenry and then show up to do
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something to ameliorate the wounds and then go ahead and
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do it again. Now, apparently this has a very, very
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strong impact. on real victims, children and also on spouses.
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And so are we seeing the same thing here, where
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the state is now actually behind the scenes inflicting the
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damage and then coming up and wearing the white hat
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and saying, okay, I'll take care of you?
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00:55:52.550 --> 00:55:57.800
Well, sure, it's that Hegelian thing, thesis, antithesis, synthesis, or
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more simply problems. I think you asked Matthew, though. I'm sorry, Matthew.
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That's all right. I believe that problem, reaction, solution is
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exactly what's going on here. I do believe that when,
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over the course of the next couple of years, all
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of what we're talking about will become abundantly clear. The
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fact that anybody, anybody could question that this is Not
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00:56:31.190 --> 00:56:36.250
an inside job. Not a complete lie. Not something for...
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00:56:36.030 --> 00:56:39.679
This is right here, I think, the ultimate wag the dog.
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I really do. I don't know what our eyes are
1021
00:56:44.059 --> 00:56:47.860
being taken off of, but I sure have ideas. And
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I have to tell you, it scares me. Because I wonder...
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The one thing that I never hear anybody, no one,
1024
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ask is what is the world going to look like
1025
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What is life going to be if these, quote, powers
1026
00:57:06.579 --> 00:57:10.760
that be get their way? What is there to be?
1027
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What's life going to be about?
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Read 1984.
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1984, you know what? I'll cut my wrist from my
1030
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elbow to my armpit as soon as I'm done killing
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as many people as I can.
1032
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Great. All right, listen, I'm going to have to hold
1033
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that as the last word. I'm going to ask you
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to give an email to Sophia just in case she
1035
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might want to ask something in time to come or
1036
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at least have you there as a resource. Absolutely. Sophia,
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you got the last word. Is there anything coming up
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now also?
1039
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There's a wonderful conference in Phoenix, Arizona, February 23rd, 24th, 25th.
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It's called 9-11 Accountability, and it is at a resort hotel.
1041
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I hope people will come. I really encourage you. There
1042
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are 50 speakers who have already committed. Matthew, if you
1043
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can come, it would be fantastic. It's, again, Phoenix, Arizona,
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February 23rd, 24th, 25th. And if you go to 911accountability. org,
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you will find out more about it. But I really
1046
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want to plug this conference. I'm helping them organize it.
1047
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I'm going to be there. There are going to be
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lots of people accessible. We'll all be able to meet
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each other and inspire each other because ultimately this is
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about inspiration.