Robert Pickton – Part 1

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Recording the hood.
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Conial mature audience listener, just question, is that much?
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Hey, how's it going.
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I'm Nicole and I'm Ben, and you're listening to Wicked
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and Grim, a true crime podcast, and just like that,
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here we are, here, we are. We are welcome an
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awesome episode today. Are we are? We are?
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We?
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Yes?
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Yeah we are. It's very much sort of requested episode.
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It is. But before we get into that, we have
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other things to talk about.
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Yeah, we knew. We had breakfast for dinner tonight and
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it was awesome.
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Awesome, bacon, eggs, hash browns, toast, what else, strawberries, strawberries, Oh,
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the strawberries made it. That was like a nice little dessert.
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Was that epic? And it made me feel like I
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was twelve years old? But I was okay with it.
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Was amazing. I came home from work and the smoke
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alarm was going off, so I knew Nichole was cooking dinner.
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Okay, that's not fair. The tiny home smoke alarm goes
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off constantly. Yes, yes, And I had one of our
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dogs outside posted for sale. It was just not it
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was just not going well for me.
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Anyone want to buy a dog.
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And I'm like, welcome home, Ben.
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It was actually great. The smoke alarm was good. Joke.
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I was like, oh, dinner's done, but yet. No, it
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was just because K and cook and bacon for breakfast,
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and bacon can get smoky in a tiny space, that
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smoke alarm goes nuts.
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Yeah, I thought. And it doesn't even seem like it's
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smoky in here, but it's like it just goes off.
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So it just I don't know. Anyway, anyway, there anyway
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things to happen that wasn't that bad.
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I agree.
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It was a delicious dinner.
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It was delicious. What else were we going to talk about? Oh,
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we got to talk about this. This is very important.
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Oh you're a bit delayed there, dude.
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Yeah, throwing everyone for a loop?
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Wow?
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Keep and I'm guessing you know, got to be on
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your toes.
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Yeah, we do actually keep people on their toes.
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It's important.
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We'll have to post how we warm up for episodes.
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You were singing Moana.
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I was singing some ma Wana. We already posted that
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as a story on our Patreon.
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So and I was dancing around like a hippi because
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my shoulders were killing me, and I was trying to.
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You look like you're in some sort of like cult
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dance spiritual thing. You're doing some weird moves there.
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It actually helped, though I feel a little.
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I'm sure it looked odd, but I'm sure it helped.
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Oh whatever works.
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Yeah. But speaking of patron though, we've got some patrons
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who signed up this week that we got to thank
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de Wey. We have quite a few people who signed up.
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Are you going to re Actually yeah, like it's in
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my mind, like it's so every time I go on
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then there's more people and I'm just like, oh my gosh, yeah,
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so excited.
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It's amazing everyone who's supporting us over there. So big
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shout out to you guys, thank you, and we're going
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to say everyone who signed up this week, Nichole's gonna
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do it.
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I don't even have the list, so I have it.
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I show you, I can show you.
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You fly at her, all.
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Right, I'll do it. Fine, Okay, So we have thank
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yous to send out to Elizabeth Hutchins, Sabrina Randall, Hannah Campbell.
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Loved the last name Campbell. By the way, I'm a
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Bruce Campbell fan, so you got me on your side
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right there. Marizia Chitwood, Kim Amanda Kingry, kat Peterson, Kayla Peyton,
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Katie Tautman, and Rachel Dullit's wow. Thank you all of
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you for being so amazing and supporting us over on
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that platform. It makes it it, Honestly, you guys what
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helps us keep going. So thank you so much.
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Oh yeah, I think I've said this before, but I
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literally have my notifications turned off on most things but
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not not Patron because it makes my day.
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Okay, I just want to say one thing though. I've
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tried time and time and time again to turn the
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notifications on for messages on Patreon, but for whatever reason,
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Patreon does not.
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Notify us when we get I don't get those.
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So if we are behind on Patreon messages, guys, I mean, anyone,
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we've talked to you, we've already told you that. But
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and we will message you back, and we will eventually.
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It is very odd actually, like, yeah, you'll get notification
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for someone signing up a comment, but yeah, not a message.
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And you think that's like the most important.
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And like I said, I've gone in. I've turned those
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notifications on my phone several.
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Times and they're just like no, yeah, I mean yeah, in.
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The in the settings, it says it's on, but it
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just doesn't doesn't tell us yeah, do better. Patreon. Yeah,
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it also pisses me off. They don't let us upload videos.
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That makes me so mad. I'll be doing like little
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logs all the look at us.
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I feel like last time we were bitching about Spotify,
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now we're mentioned about Patreon.
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Yeah. We also do have to thank a few people
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who went out o their way and gave us reviews
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when we requested it last week. So thank you so much.
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Yes, that was awesome.
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We had some awesome comments, So thank you so much
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those comments.
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You guys, we super appreciate it. We're so lucky to
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have supporters like you. Seriously, yes, we're very, very, very lucky.
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I don't feel very lucky that I decided to pick
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this case or not pick it. I had on my
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list forever, and I'm like, I want to do it,
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but I'm like, well, so daunting.
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Since day one, we've had this on our list, and
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since day one we've had people requesting this. Yeah, this
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is probably our most requested case. So what case is that?
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So, well, it's the case of Robert Picton. Yes it
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is mister Robert Picton.
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This one's a little bit close to home for us. Yeah,
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mind you, he's a little bit of a distance away.
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He's probably nine hours, which I think we're.
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Talking about that in my notes. Dude, you're jumping ahead.
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Sorry, may I go ahead? I think he's about eight
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hundred kilometers away from us where he was, but us
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being in a small northern town, like the distance doesn't
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matter because it's just like the next big city sort of,
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so it might as well be just next door.
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Yeah, And like, so this was very much so in
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the news for us. I mean it probably was maybe worldwide,
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but like very much so. I remember living through this
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kind of thing right coming out of news and all
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I'm just being like, wow, just flabbergasted. Really Yeah, it
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was disgusting.
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Yeah, that's a very light way of putting it. This
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man is trash.
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Yeah he's nasty.
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Yeah, nasty picked it and.
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I'm going to be very kind. This is going to
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be like a two parter. So I'm being very kind
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because you guys will probably be all at me where
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I end. So if you want to save it until
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you can watch or list watch, listen to both of
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them at the same time. Fly at her.
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But and it's going to be worth listening to both, oh.
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Gosh, because yeah, well the second one is just going
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to be better. Yeah, there's a lot of shit we
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have to go through before it gets a bit more interesting.
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I guess you could say, yeah, a bit more shitty.
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I don't know.
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Shitty the things that he did, but yeah, can I
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know what you mean by yeah? Yeah?
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Okay, So let's dive in here. Heh, you ready to
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rock and roll?
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I got a drink? I'm ready?
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I got waa. Okay. So I'm going to start this
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case off by sharing the very broad but sad truth
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about it, and that is that between nineteen seventy eight
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and two thousand and one, at least sixty five women
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disappeared from Vancouver's downtown east Side, and in all honesty,
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that number is probably low because some woman may never
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have been reported is missing at all?
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Yeah, one hundred percent correct.
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Right, So for all of those who you haven't heard of,
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Vancouver's downtown east Side. I'll share with you it is
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unfortunately a very sad picture to paint. The City of
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Vancouver's website describes it as being an area in recent
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years that has struggled with many complex challenges including drug use, crime, homelessness,
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housing issues, unemployment, and loss of businesses in the community,
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which is a very polite way of saying, you don't
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want to find yourself in this area.
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Definitely, definitely.
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It was in the nineteen eighties that the area began
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to rapidly decline for many reasons. There was an increase
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of hard drug use policies, aka the government basically pushed
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sex workers and drug related activity out of nearby areas
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areas into a centralized area. And I don't think that's
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like was a Vancouver thing. I think that's happened other Oh, definitely,
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lots of places and the lack of the lack or
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end I should say, of funding for social housing. It
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is essentially an eight block long and six block deep
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hell on earth. Drug addiction, overdoses, poverty, people living on
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the street, sex work, disease, mental illness. It's dirty, it's unsafe.
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It was described in many articles I read that if
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you end up here, you've hit rock bottom. And it's
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the sad, sad truth about the area.
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Yeah, And to sum it all up, it's essentially like,
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if you end up there, it's society has abandoned you.
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Yeah, I mean, okay, there are resources down there though,
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and I think there are still people down there trying
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to help. Like I'm just going to say that, but yeah,
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like like you really, Ah, it's so sad and it
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sucks you even you try to get out, it sucks
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you back in often.
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Yes, that's very, very true.
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So, and I've actually driven through. I remember driving through
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that area as a kid and just being like whoa,
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it was just like a different world.
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I went through that area just a couple of weeks
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ago when I was in Vancouver.
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Oh did you have to walk through that area?
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No? I didn't walk through it. I was in a
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cap and.
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We drove through there, Oh did you Heyah, Well, it's
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quite close to Gastown, isn't it, which is where we
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love in Vancouver.
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Gas Town is gorgeous. Some cool stuff down.
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Yeah, And I think when we went to the Police
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Museum that they had there, it was like pretty darn close.
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Yeah. Yeah, it was there were some crazy things in
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that police museum.
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Mm hmm, it is. It was a cool place to
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check out.
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I remember one thing particularly in that police museum. There
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was those cabinets of like confiscated weapons, some of the stuff,
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like there was literal shurricans, like ninja Shurricans throwing stars.
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But there was a whip made of chainsaw chains. Oh
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my god, do you remember.
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I don't remember that. I was more interested in the
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morgue part, which is really I'm not sure what that
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sounds about me.
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There was like baseball bats with of course barbed wire,
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and like a lot of things, but that whip made
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of chainsaw chains was messed up.
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I remember the brain, the slice of the brain. Oh yeah,
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those are the things that stand out. So anyway, yeah,
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it's like literally just quite gut wrenching is a way
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to describe it. The community has a low trust of
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the police. This case maybe an example of why. But
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I've also read that the residents of vancouver Downtown east
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Side experienced Canada's highest rate of death from encounters with police.
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So that's scary as hell.
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Wow, really I didn't know that. Yeah, that's sad.
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I know. I didn't really look into that further, but
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I was like, holy shit. So, like I said, it's
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a really sad picture to paint, but unfortunate. It's the
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reality of the situation, a situation that Robert Picton very
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much so took advantage of.
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Took advantage of, and was probably very much so a
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part in creating or at least.
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Well definitely wasn't helping.
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Yeah, exactly, he was a part of it, and he
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might have been a part of its birth.
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I don't know if I would say his birth.
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Well, at birth in this century.
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It definitely was put unncessary fear into people that were
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already fear stricken.
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You could say that, Yeah, well, I guess maybe not
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it's birth, but he helped perpetuate it. He could have
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made it worse.
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Yeah, I mean well, yeah, anytime you actually read anything
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about down Vancouver downtown east Side, he's mentioned. So he's
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very much associated with it. Okay, So Robin was Robin?
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Who the fuck is Robin?
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Shout out to my sister. Robin.
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Robert was born on October twenty fourth, nineteen forty nine.
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His full name Robert William Pickton. A lot of people
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call him Willy and You'll listen to a lot of
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podcasts or they say Willy, but I'm not saying Willy.
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I just don't want to say Lilly. This whole thing.
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He's Robert Picton, Robert.
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We're calling him Robert.
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Fuck you, Robert, fuck you, and your name Willy.
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I know he's nasty. His parents were d and Louise Picton.
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Robert was the middle child with an older sister and
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a younger brother. The family were pig farmers, operating their
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pig farm out of Port Coquitlam, which is about twenty
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seven kilometers east of Vancouver and, like we had mentioned,
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about nine hours drive away from US.
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Can I give you a pat on your back for something?
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Absolutely okay?
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You listen to like ninety nine percent of podcasts out
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there talking about Robert Picton. None of them or n
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of them don't know how to say Coquitlam.
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No, but I know how to say it.
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We get shit for our bad pronunciation. We can say.
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Coquitlam, we can say Port Coquitlam, we.
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Can so fuck yeah. We got one up on all
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those for that. I know.
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It was actually funny. There was a few people that
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are like, I don't know to say these Canadian cities.
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Yeah we got it, and then yeah we do get
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people get we get a hard time sometimes. I mean,
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that's a hard city to say, but I don't know,
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I don't know how to say it.
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You do, and you did well, So good job, patt
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in your back. Thank you.
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I feel like my comminance is just exploding out of me.
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Perfect. That's what we want. High five, high five, high five. Bohm, okay,
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keep going.
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Okay. So Robert's upbringing wasn't exactly great. His mother, Louise,
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was an interesting character to say the least, asides from
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her looks of rotting teeth, lost hair, and a go tea.
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Apparently she had a go tea. I know, right, I
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can feel her pain. Though I got some serious hairs
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on my chin. Sometimes on the chin. I need to
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like get that dealt with that. It just happens as
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you get older.
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It does.
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It's so I don't I don't. I feel bad for her. Really,
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I'm not shaming her.
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With that, but I'm sure it didn't add to her well.
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She could have. She could have maintained her go tea.
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Let's just say that.
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I maintain, so do I. Facial hair maintenance is important.
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She had a high pitched voice. Also don't shamber for that,
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but it was often heard calling for her children across
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the neighborhood. I suppose you could say she dressed in
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a house dress over jeans and rubber boots, which is
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quite the visual. Both her and Leonard did not care
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about their parents or their hygiene, and that was passed
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down to their children. One interesting, yet disgusting fact is
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that the farm animals had the run of the farm,
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including the house their house. Yeah, which is so beyond fucked.
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Yeah. So I do know a lot about this case.
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Well, yeah, we both do.
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Yeah. Yeah, generally we're presenting to each other and we
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don't know the case. But yeah, I know a lot
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of this, and that's.
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I think you'll probably know the majority of it, to
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be honest, I don't even know if there'll be much
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in here that will shock you.
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Well, yeah, I've researched this before, but it's been a while.
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But yeah, the one that really stuck with me is, Yeah,
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the animals get the run of the house.
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So yeah, they're tracking in dirt, manure, and they're relieving
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themselves in the house. Yeah, because animals don't give a
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fuck where they go. They got to go, they go.
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Which is understandable. Think you have a dog that's got
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to go, it's got to go, and it doesn't get
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outside fast enough. It's going to go in the house.
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But you clean it up.
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Yeah, you usher the dog outside, let it have its space,
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and you clean up afterwards, not just belying oh there's
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a pile of shit on.
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The floor, Oh well yeah, which she had that attitude.
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Oh well, yeah, the smell didn't affect her. Oh well, yeap,
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Like okay, that that.
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Is just beyond The family is effectively farm animals themselves.
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Yeah, they're pretty much living in like a barn in
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a sense really like because I mean, hey would have
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been get brought in like a lot of shit would
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just get her all in there.
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Yeah.
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So the poor children, especially the boys, had high expectations
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of working on the farm and would often be going
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to school dirty and I'm sure you could imagine not
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smelling all that pleasant. They only received weekly bass if
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they were lucky, which was not enough to remove the
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dirt and the odor and just at all so gross.
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I need me like frequent showers.
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Yeah, I mean that's just so sad. Oh, because I
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didn't even put it in here, but like Robert had
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a fear basically of like showering. Yeah, like what the heck?
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And that's because of his upbringing. Yeah, because of his
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parents and what they did to him.
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Yeah, which is like his childhood wasn't great.
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No, the So this is not just Robert Picton, this
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is his family.
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Yes, but it is more so and I'd probably say
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this in later, but it is more so the brothers,
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the sisters. Seemed like she was treated a bit differently,
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and she'd been interviewed at times too, and didn't often
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I kind of said that with an accent, didn't often
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describe is like the situations is that terrible? And then
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I do think when she was in high school she
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went and lived with relatives and Vancouver and stuff, so
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she she really like wanted to be away from this
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whole situation. I think she handib she was a lot different.
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So this obviously caused them to be called names by
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their fellow classmates like Piggy or stinky piggy, and school
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is rough. If you're in any way different, it does
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not go unnoticed.
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Oh yeah, so.
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I would imagine the bullying had to be pretty bad.
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Towards them, no kidding, I got bullied just from my
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name because that like muscle cream, the ointment Ben Gay.
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Of course kids latched to that. My name's Ben.
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Oh geez, did you not know that I literally went
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to high school? I think I did, but like I
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forgot because it's just so silly. Yeah, I know, right,
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I don't know everything. That just is people bullying. It's silly.
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Yeah, high school is brutal.
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So yeah, they got. I'm sure it wasn't great for them.
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Robert had some sad stories to share from his childhood.
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At age three, he crashed his father's truck. He was
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sitting in it when it started to roll. His father
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was yelling at him to stop, but he was three
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year old, three years old and would have no idea
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how to do that, and inevitably he and the truck
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crashed into a tree. Afterwards, he received a beating from
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his father. That's honestly the father's fault.
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Oh, I can't. I can't imagine an adult blaming a
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three year old for a piece of equipment like that
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rolling into a week.
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He fucked up, The dad fucked up.
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Yeah, even if picked in as a kid took off
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the e break.
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Or did take he wouldn't have done it intentionally exactly.
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He doesn't know what he's doing. He's a kid. You
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shouldn't have left him in there.
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Yeah. So, at the age of four, Robert was forced
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to smoke a cigar by his mother after being caught
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smoking a cigarette. This was her idea to cure him
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of ever wanting to smoke again.
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Yeah, not that I agree with it, but that was
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a popular practice back in the day.
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Oh was it? Actually, I've never heard of that.
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On TV shows. Lots you heard that, like that seventy
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show or whatever, like, Oh, you catch your kids smoking
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a cigarette, They're going to sit down and make you
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smoke the whole pack.
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Oh my go.
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The idea was that you're going to smoke again, get sick.
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They're going to get sick and be deterred from it.
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Oh my gosh.
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Not that I agree with it. That's basically abuse.
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But I mean it did work for him.
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Yeah, the theory is there, which.
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Yeah, yeah, okay. But the worst of all might have
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been When Robert was twelve years old, he saved up
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thirty five dollars to buy a three week old calf.
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Oh yeah, with the intention that he would keep the
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calf for the rest of his life. He treated the
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calf as his companion, taking care of it and enjoying
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spending time with it, until one day he came home
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and his calf was nowhere to be found. After searching
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and searching, he was told to check the barn, where
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I'm sure you guessed it, he found his caf hanging
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upside down butchered.
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So brutal.
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This just devastated him. He would he wouldn't talk to
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anyone for four days, and I like, I honestly don't
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even blame him. That shit at twelve years old would
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impact your life in my opinion, Like, that is like brutal.
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I'm pretty sure that is the moment that directed picked
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and down this path to be a serial killer, because
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at that moment, I'm sure he lost all compassion.
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Yeah, Like I just oh, it almost makes me want
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to bawl my face off because that is just so sad.
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Well, I imagine that was the literally the only thing
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he loved that he had, Yeah, and then it was
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just taken away and then he was just left.
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And then they thought too and they were like, oh
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what are you like, have some up because like they
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were eating it. Yeah, and this will make you feel better,
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and the moment offered to like rebuy him a calf
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and another calf and stuff, because like they didn't realize
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it would devastate him to this much, this extent, I guess,
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But no, that was like his calf. It wasn't like replaceable.
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Yeah, like oh, which I mean, that's that's farm culture
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for you. Because to the parents it wasn't a pet.
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It was but they should have known that how important
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it was to their son.
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Oh yeah, I know that. But yeah, to the parents
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it was not a pet. It was food. Yeah, but
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two pickt in it was a pet. There is a
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very those are very two different lines for for general
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society and farmers. Yeah. So his parents didn't realize it
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was a pet, which I mean, that's their fault for
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not knowing they should have that connection with their kid
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to fucking know that.
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Oh my gosh. Well yeah, and the fact that he
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bought it with his own money and stuff, right, he
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saved up for this exactly, Like that is it just
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destroys me. Actually, it's so sad.
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Oh and the pict Ins were rather well off too,
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so it could just go buy some fucking food.
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Yeah, I mean, I don't know, per se, if the
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parents necessarily were super well off anything, they wouldn't have struggled.
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Now any the kids became well off, and we'll talk
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about that.
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Ye.
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So at the age of fourteen, grade eight, Robert would
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drop out of school in nineteen sixty three. He had
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a tough time in school. Along with the bullying, Robert
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was a quiet boy and was considered slow. He dropped
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out of school or him dropping out of school didn't
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bother his mother, Louise. It just meant more help around
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the farm. She also wanted him to learn how to butcher,
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so after leaving school, he would start an apprenticeship with
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a butcher in nineteen seventy. He would leave that to
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work full time at the family farm, being around twenty one.
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00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:47.039
One other noteworthy thing to mention from Robert's childhood, Oh God,
491
00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:50.400
involves his brother Do you know where I'm going?
492
00:23:50.680 --> 00:23:51.440
I know where you're going.
493
00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:55.000
When David was sixteen years old and new to driving,
494
00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:58.200
as he was driving home in the family truck, he
495
00:23:58.240 --> 00:24:02.720
would strike a neighborhood cas Timothy Barrett. I think it's
496
00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:06.960
Barrett from behind, who was walking home from a friend's house.
497
00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:10.839
Tim was a grade nine student and had only lived
498
00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:15.839
in the neighborhood for a year, moving there from Winnipeg. David,
499
00:24:16.519 --> 00:24:19.799
instead of being a decent fucking human being, I don't
500
00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:22.960
have that in my notes, instead of stopping to see
501
00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:26.119
if Tim was still alive, he panicked and he raced
502
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:27.640
home to tell his parents.
503
00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:28.160
Yep.
504
00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:32.559
What happened next is so appalling and maybe a glimpse
505
00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:36.240
into why Robert thought nothing of taking a human life.
506
00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:40.160
David was told to take the family truck he was
507
00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:44.160
driving to the shop right away to get the damage done,
508
00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:51.000
repaired and essentially covered up yep, while Louise herself went
509
00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:56.240
to search the road where the accident happened. Shortly later,
510
00:24:56.680 --> 00:25:00.359
she came across Tim's body. She looked him over, but
511
00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:05.240
without hesitation, then proceeded to haul Tim's body ten feet
512
00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:08.720
to the edge of a slough and rolled his body
513
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:10.559
into it. Before heading home.
514
00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:13.319
She literally chucked him in the fucking ditch.
515
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:16.240
Like I just can't I just can't even believe this.
516
00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:19.759
And just wait, because it gets worse. Tim's dad had
517
00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:22.640
phoned the friend's house the night of the accident in
518
00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:25.799
search of his son, but they hadn't seen him since
519
00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:29.640
the early evening. Apparently the buddy's house that he went to,
520
00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:33.000
like was busy so that he couldn't he couldn't play,
521
00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:35.440
which they're probably like, oh my gosh, I wish like
522
00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:38.720
he wasn't busy, Like there's that just happens with so
523
00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:42.279
many things. Apparently, also Tim was he wasn't walking like
524
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:45.319
facing traffic like you're supposed to do. So if he was,
525
00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:48.000
he'd been on like the other side of the road, Like,
526
00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:48.759
it's just shit.
527
00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:50.400
Hindsight's twenty twenty though.
528
00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:55.119
Yeah, you can always change something exactly, Okay. So the
529
00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:57.960
police were informed, but there was no news until the
530
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:02.839
early morning when tim dad and the friend's dad went
531
00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:06.319
out to search the road. As they searched, Tim's dad
532
00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:09.519
came across his son's shoe on the side of the road,
533
00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:14.279
and then he spotted Tim, as you can imagine, practically
534
00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:20.079
collapsing from devastation. Wow, it didn't take a rocket science
535
00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:23.519
to have the incident lead back to the Pictons, being
536
00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:26.079
that the mechanic who had worked on the truck the
537
00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:29.359
night before heard the story on the radio and called
538
00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:34.920
the police. Tim's death was deemed an accidental death, with
539
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:39.319
David being charged in juvenile court for failing to remain
540
00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:42.640
on a scene of an incident. He was convicted and
541
00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:47.559
placed on indefinite probation, with his driver's license suspended until
542
00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:53.480
he was twenty one. Louise's role was only a thing
543
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:59.079
of neighborhood rumor because she got away scott free, with
544
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:04.000
the real kicker being Tim's cause of death was from drowning.
545
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:04.640
Yeap.
546
00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:09.359
The injuries he suffered from being hit would have badly
547
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:13.359
injured him, but it was determined they most likely would
548
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:14.480
not have killed him.
549
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.519
So he wasn't dead when she fucking ran in the ditch.
550
00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:21.799
And if either one of them would have just like
551
00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:25.880
called an ambulance, he would have lived yep, which is
552
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:29.119
just holy, oh my gosh, it actually like makes me
553
00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:30.720
rage inside.
554
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:32.839
Oh, through and through. It just shows what kind of
555
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:33.880
fucking people these are.
556
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.039
These people are just unbelievably disgusting human beings.
557
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:40.720
If we haven't showed enough already, like clearly they're fucked.
558
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.119
Like I can't, I honestly can't believe. Like he was
559
00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:46.119
a little boy, well, I mean he was a teenager,
560
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:48.480
but that's like for the span of your life. That's
561
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:51.240
a young boy, Like he had his whole life ahead
562
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:52.839
of him, and they just fucked it over.
563
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:57.759
And could you imagine looking at a unconscious, clearly young
564
00:27:57.799 --> 00:27:59.200
boy in the middle of the road, even if he
565
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:02.279
thought he was dead or not, and just rolling him
566
00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:02.759
into the ditch.
567
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.400
I think that she would have known that he was alive. Probably,
568
00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:09.400
I actually, in like, I just think that she would
569
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:13.400
have known, probably because moving him and rolling him. I
570
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:14.240
think that you would have.
571
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:16.480
Been able to tell, I would assume. So there probably
572
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:20.240
would have been some moaning, some breathing, some gasping something.
573
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:24.680
Oh, it's just devastating, Okay, I have to move on,
574
00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:27.319
like that's just rough to move on from. Robert's father
575
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:32.359
would pass away in nineteen seventy eight of cancer, dying
576
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:35.960
at the age of eighty one. The following year, cancer
577
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:39.319
would strike again, this time killing Louise at the age
578
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:41.799
of sixty seven, so there was like a pretty big
579
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:46.480
age difference between the two of them. Robert was the
580
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:49.920
mom's full time caregiver, so she like or he took
581
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:53.119
every bit of need that she had while she was dying,
582
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:57.920
which probably for that is pretty awesome. I didn't mention
583
00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:01.680
this earlier, but Robert's father was super involved in raising
584
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:05.160
the children and their rumors. He was abusive to Robert,
585
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:09.920
but Robert's sister didn't describe him this way. Robert was, however,
586
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:13.440
very close with his mother, a mama's boy. They were
587
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:16.839
two peas in a pod. So there was a bit
588
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:20.359
of a shock when it came to the reading of
589
00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:25.240
the will. So Louise's will that she left behind everything
590
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:29.240
was left to the children, but with Robert's inheritance, he
591
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:33.799
got a twenty thousand dollars lump some payment, but he
592
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.000
wouldn't get the remaining unless he stayed working on the
593
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:39.680
farm until he was forty years old.
594
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:43.519
Wow, I don't think I knew that part.
595
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:46.400
And he would have only been about thirty years when
596
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:50.920
his mother passed away, Like holy shit, Wow, I'm assuming
597
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:53.759
that this was her way of making sure the farm
598
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:57.480
was taken care of and the other two children didn't
599
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:01.160
really have the same interest in the farm that Robert did.
600
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:05.359
But then for the fact that he like he changed
601
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.119
her diapers and everything, like he did like everything for her,
602
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:13.240
and this made him completely disappointed and feel stuck.
603
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:17.680
Yeah, I mean, yeah, you're right, but look at it
604
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:20.359
as clearly he's the more competent one of the children
605
00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:22.960
because he is looking after and everything. So who better
606
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:24.720
to make look after the farm.
607
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:28.880
I don't know if I would say he's the most competent, well.
608
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:33.640
You know what I mean in showing his mother he
609
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:34.880
was the competent one.
610
00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:37.240
I guess. Well, and then he I think like he
611
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:40.960
ended up getting that twenty thousand I think was like
612
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.799
an extra twenty thousand, if I can remember correctly, and
613
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:48.200
then he get like what his siblings got when he
614
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:50.680
was forty, so like technically he was getting more money.
615
00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:54.880
There was something too that I had read. If the
616
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:59.640
dad had died first, it was like completely oh my
617
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:04.880
myke heeps exciting. It was like having some uh, I'm
618
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:06.119
having some issues here.
619
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:07.160
It's some mic dysfunction.
620
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:09.200
It's just dropping so weird.
621
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.200
Okay, it doesn't usually happen like that. It usually stands
622
00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:13.640
straight up and performs really well.
623
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.839
Okay, So if the dad had died first, I hope
624
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:23.519
I'm remembering this correctly. It was basically that the sister
625
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:26.400
I think, only got like twenty thousand and the rest
626
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:28.799
was split between the brothers. So like the dad was
627
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:30.960
like leaving like nothing to the sister.
628
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:35.119
Really, yeah, gotcha, that's interesting. Yeah, that's I wonder why.
629
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:38.319
Yeah, I know, so I mean, I think it was
630
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:40.839
just that she wanted the farm looked after, and he
631
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:42.559
was the only one that had an interest in it,
632
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:46.200
is my assumption, gotcha. So the years after the passing
633
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:50.519
of the parents, Robert and his siblings, his sister being
634
00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:54.960
a realtor, sold much of the farm for urban urban development,
635
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:59.839
making millions. So I think they sold three different chunks
636
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:03.920
of land, and so they earned five point two five
637
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:06.920
point two three million, Like that is a lot of money.
638
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:09.119
Oh, they probably would have got like ten times that today.
639
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:11.720
Oh gosh, yeah, But I mean that wouldn't have done
640
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:12.799
anything for Robert.
641
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:13.880
No.
642
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:18.799
Uh, actually know, they wouldn't have because the farm would
643
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:22.640
just be like, okay, if nothing happened, you mean, if
644
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:24.000
nothing had happened.
645
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:27.599
Honestly, no, like even if they if the the property,
646
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.920
if everything still happened and the property was sold today,
647
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:34.200
that property, I'm not talking about like the farmhouse, the
648
00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:34.880
farm itself.
649
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:37.759
I'm talking to the land that's stale. Would people want
650
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:38.119
that shit?
651
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:42.400
I guess probably land like that close to Vancouver.
652
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.240
Like that, that's true, that's true, that's.
653
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:46.920
Big, But I'm just like that is prime real estate.
654
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:54.359
Robert would maintain a small scale livestock operation at the farm. Well,
655
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:56.880
the majority of the land seemed to be used for
656
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:04.119
Robert's brothers endeavors. Robert, Yeah, Robert was the older one
657
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:07.720
of the two brothers. It seemed like the brother, the
658
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:10.359
younger brother, had like a lot of control over him,
659
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:15.279
almost it did seem from my ratings. So the endeavors
660
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:19.279
that the brother had included a top soil business and
661
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:22.519
he used the land for a parking lot for trucks
662
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:28.039
and heavy equipment for his excavation and demolition business. Dave
663
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:31.799
also had an interest with the known group the Hell's Angels,
664
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:35.519
and the farm was also used as a chop shop,
665
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:39.759
which Robert ran as David was busy with his businesses
666
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:42.920
and Robert had a gift for vehicle salvaging.
667
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:48.680
Yeah, so they were quite the pseudo entrepreneurs kind of Yeah.
668
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:52.319
Yeah, because in some reports even said that like Robert
669
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:58.000
owned the demolition business with David.
670
00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:01.359
But then it wasn't nothing was every clear, Like I couldn't.
671
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:03.640
Fully clarify that. So I know David ow them for sure,
672
00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:06.640
not sure, but Robert, and so for anyone too that
673
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:08.719
doesn't know what a chop shop is, it's a place
674
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:13.039
where stolen vehicles are basically dismantled so that the parts
675
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:16.119
can be sold or used to repair other stolen vehicles
676
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:21.000
or items sometimes are hidden all together and claimed for insurance.
677
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:24.920
So they would be like burying shit, and sometimes they
678
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:28.840
wouldn't even bury it. They would just like cover it
679
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.719
with top soil or whatever. Like their farm was disgusting,
680
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:36.800
like it was just a complete mess. They just destroyed
681
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:37.719
everything about it.
682
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:40.199
Well, if you look at the picture, the picture you posted.
683
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.039
I did post, Yeah, it looks like a mess.
684
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:43.480
Oh yeah, it's disgusting.
685
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:43.960
Yeah.
686
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:47.239
I've seen farms before, and I mean, farms are gross.
687
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.519
It's a muddy cross place. It's understandable you have animals
688
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:54.880
and everything growing around, but that just looked fucking gross. Yeah.
689
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:58.719
So the next endeavor for the Picton brothers would be
690
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:01.320
what they called Piggy Palace.
691
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:03.199
And this was Piggy Palace.
692
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:03.960
Piggy Palace.
693
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:05.599
This is my favorite part of the story just because
694
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:06.800
of how ridiculous it is.
695
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:10.519
It seems pretty ridiculous, like absolutely, I can't even believe
696
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:11.199
that this happened.
697
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:12.159
I know so.
698
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:14.519
And that was in nineteen ninety five, nineteen ninety six.
699
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:18.440
So they purchased property not far from the farm and
700
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:23.199
converted a large corrugated metal shed to have a long bar,
701
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:28.360
full restaurant kitchen, walk and fridge, and raised dance floor.
702
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:33.320
Old beer signs were hung, fluorescent lighting, and a revolving
703
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:36.920
disco ball and sound system. I mean, am I was
704
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.480
kind of interesting there. I actually should try to find
705
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.159
a photo. I didn't try to find a photo.
706
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:43.840
Yeah, I'm sure there is pictures out there.
707
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:47.039
Because this is also almost like in farmland, And it
708
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:49.440
was like, like, I feel like I would never go there,
709
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:51.159
Like I feel like I would just get freaking murdered.
710
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:54.000
It's called Piggy Palace and it's on a.
711
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:56.599
Farm like there's I don't think that I would ever
712
00:35:56.679 --> 00:35:57.599
go to something like that.
713
00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:00.800
And it was a known hangout area for people like
714
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:04.760
the Hell's Angels. Yes, yeah, that's not a place I'm
715
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:06.920
going to just go chill right Saturday night.
716
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:08.960
It seemed like a lot of people would go check
717
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.280
it out, though, so there were enough tables and chairs
718
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:14.960
to fit upwards of one hundred and fifty people. There
719
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:17.760
was a cover to get in the place of like
720
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:21.719
ten to twenty dollars, and they would bring in usually
721
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:24.920
no less than ten thousand dollars like on an average night,
722
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:27.119
which is cool, Like that's a lot of money. And
723
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:28.960
I think there was one it said one night they
724
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:32.960
made like forty over forty thousand, Holy shit. So the
725
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:34.960
place was just like Hoppin'.
726
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:36.400
Piggy Palace rolling in the dough.
727
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:41.719
Yeah, the place made a lot of people excited, including Robert.
728
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:44.599
He hoped this was his chance to find a steady
729
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:48.880
girlfriend he had. He had had very few relationships in
730
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:53.119
the past. Most females either friend zoned him or were
731
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:56.320
basically like repulse by him. I don't know how to
732
00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:58.280
say that. I think I can say that, Yeah, he's nasty.
733
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:02.440
I'm not surprised repulsed. You're nasty. Pick then you're nasty.
734
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:06.880
He was briefly engaged, so he said, to a woman
735
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:10.599
named Connie when he was twenty four. She was a
736
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:13.280
pen pal friend. He like that was his thing. He
737
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:16.519
was like, had pen pal friends mostly and they're mostly female.
738
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:18.840
Well, if you don't have much charisma, that's where you go.
739
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:19.480
I know.
740
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:24.679
So he going online? Azel. Does anyone remain remember Azel
741
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:29.199
asl no no chat remember that the fucking late like
742
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:32.960
MSN Well, like I'm talking like internet chat rooms, not
743
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:34.000
just msn.
744
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:36.320
Oh like, and you could chat with anyone in another one.
745
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:39.239
Yeah. So you like Azel, you'd ask people Azel be
746
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:42.519
age sex location. So how old do you are you girl? Guy?
747
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:45.280
What and where do you live? Oh? Interesting, you don't
748
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:45.800
remember that shit.
749
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:47.239
You had too much time on your hands, dude.
750
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:48.199
I had a lot of time.
751
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:49.559
I was. I was too busy.
752
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.800
I was playing fucking Diablo and StarCraft and talking to
753
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:53.800
people in chat rooms.
754
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:58.880
Okay, so where was I here? So he went to
755
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:03.239
visit her at one point and holy shit, I'm actually
756
00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:05.360
reading in the wrong line smooth.
757
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:07.119
It's so easy to do that.
758
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:10.239
Well, you messed me up. Okay. Yeah, so he went
759
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:13.360
and visited her, but she was she was living in Michigan,
760
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:17.199
so apparently, like he came back, they were engaged, but
761
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:19.519
she had a job in Michigan and he was like
762
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:21.920
pretty attached to the farm. So it just like didn't
763
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:22.280
work out.
764
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:24.320
Gotcha. Also, I like how I tried to cover for
765
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:25.440
you there so you can have.
766
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:26.559
Time, and then I just blamed you.
767
00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:28.639
Yeah, I'm like, it's so easy to do that, and
768
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:31.639
you're like, fuck you, Ben, it's your fault. Thanks, love
769
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:34.119
you too, babe. Trying to have you back here.
770
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:38.079
Oh, that's us to a tea. Okay. So he also
771
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:41.920
had a thing for one of his brother's girlfriends, Sandy,
772
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:44.800
and Sandy, from what I could tell, was the mother
773
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:49.239
of David's kids, and when they broke up, it devastated Robert.
774
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.519
He apparently asked her to marry him, but she turned
775
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:55.119
him down. So like, that's really interesting.
776
00:38:56.679 --> 00:39:01.000
I'm just singing songs from Greece right now, Sandy. Oh gosh.
777
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.639
I was like, you seem really into that, Okay. So
778
00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:07.840
the idea of this picky palace excited him, and so
779
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:11.920
apparently for a very brief period in his life, he
780
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:15.320
decided to clean himself up to not be like such
781
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:16.880
a disgusting, nasty motherfucker.
782
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:17.360
Wow.
783
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:21.679
So he like got new clothes. I think he bathed
784
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:23.719
a little bit more. I can't remember what the hell
785
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:25.480
it's called, but like he was balding at the top.
786
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:28.480
He had like nasty kind of long hair, and then
787
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:31.559
he got this hair piece that would like sit on
788
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:33.599
the top of his head like a too pey. Yeah.
789
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:36.960
I was like, I can't remember what it's called. So
790
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.880
like people notice at first, like oly, shit, like he
791
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:42.079
looked like a new man really, like who is this guy.
792
00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:44.599
Which again props to him for trying to turn himself
793
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:48.000
around and not necessarily saying it has to do with looks,
794
00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:51.639
but I mean respecting himself and cleaning himself and hygiene.
795
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:52.960
That probably made him feel so good.
796
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.159
Yeah, so props to him for that, Like you.
797
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:57.679
Can absolutely turn your life around at times, I think,
798
00:39:57.800 --> 00:39:59.800
like you just you just got to have a will.
799
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:03.599
Yeah, So it shows like Robert Picton could have been
800
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:05.000
a good person.
801
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:08.639
Mm hmm. I honestly feel like I don't know in
802
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:10.559
a sense, andimes I think he could. He really could
803
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:13.239
have been if this so many things had been different.
804
00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:14.159
I think so too.
805
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:18.639
It's like they say, sometimes serial killers are made, and
806
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:21.800
I think in this story that's the truth.
807
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:24.519
I think he hit the nail on the head there
808
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:29.039
one percent. Yeah, through and through. Yeah, okay, but it's true.
809
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:32.400
So yeah, he cleaned himself up very briefly, but then
810
00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:35.280
like he didn't take care of this two pay is
811
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.440
that what we decided? It was called yeah, hair pieces.
812
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:41.840
And so it very quickly got disgusting and like he
813
00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:44.519
was just I don't know, it's just very quickly. So
814
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:46.000
like he went back to his old waist because he
815
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:49.280
even had gotten like a new motor home, but like
816
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:51.719
he just didn't keep up with anything. It's like it's
817
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:54.920
not he almost didn't know how or something. So the
818
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:59.559
brothers would later incorporate Piggy Palace to be I always
819
00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:01.440
want to say it with plural piggies, but I don't
820
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:04.199
think it is. So they incorporate it to be Picky
821
00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:10.119
Palace Good Time Society and registered it as a non
822
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:16.599
profit charity. I'm like, how how with a mandate to
823
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:20.239
raise for charitable groups through events such as dances and
824
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:25.199
shows on behalf of service organizations, sports organizations, and other
825
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:33.159
worthy groups like lofuck. Though the Palace attracted all types
826
00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:35.920
of crowds, including it didn't like it said this in
827
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:39.920
numerous things, off duty police officers, city officials, and the
828
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.480
mayor of Port Equiplament at one time even had an
829
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.480
appearance there, very brief, but he did. But in all
830
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:49.119
reality it was a biker hangout attracting a rougher crowd
831
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:54.159
on a more normal basis, including the Hell's Angels which
832
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:57.280
would take over every couple of weeks for private parties.
833
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:00.039
I think there were certain events.
834
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:03.639
Where charitable events. Probably yes, certain.
835
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:06.559
Charitable events that would have attracted those those more official types,
836
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.599
and then like maybe the weekends or something like that,
837
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:11.199
and then when it was back to the weekdays, that's
838
00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:14.800
when it was the regular's toll in or something like that.
839
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:18.239
But it is surprising because the zoning of that shit
840
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:21.960
must it just like they must have just had a
841
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:23.840
complete idea that they shouldn't be there.
842
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:27.039
I feel like, you know, I never even considered zoning.
843
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:29.199
I wonder if it was like even a thing. Well, yeah,
844
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:29.719
it would have been.
845
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:33.039
I have this later because it was zoned for agricultural purposes.
846
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:34.239
Yeah, it's very much so.
847
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:36.760
And there's a bar there like that is just it's
848
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:38.960
just like the opposite of what it was zoned for.
849
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:41.559
People just not asking questions, I guess.
850
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:46.360
So. Neighbors would complain often of the rowdiness, drug use,
851
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:50.639
and noise coming from the parties. At one point they
852
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:55.960
were sued by Port Coquitlam officials for violating zoning. Audience audiences,
853
00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:57.199
I think that's how you would say that.
854
00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:59.599
How come you just questioned the zoning when you just
855
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:02.480
had the answer in the next sentence. You totally set
856
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:06.519
me up. Thanks appreciate it. You just wrote me around.
857
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:09.440
Well played, Well, that's how we roll.
858
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:10.920
But that's how we roll.
859
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:13.079
Throw Ben into the bus every time. Everything.
860
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:15.480
Okay, you're making me sound like a terrible person. I
861
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:21.639
made you a delicious dinner, a delicious cheese. K Okay,
862
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:24.000
you out to swain that it's just is it just
863
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:25.000
for no? What's it called?
864
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:26.559
Last One Laughing?
865
00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:29.360
Last One Laughing? Holy shit? But it was a Canadian show, right.
866
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:31.440
Well, it's not a Canadian show, but there was a
867
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:33.519
Canadian version. So if you don't know, there's a show
868
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:35.039
called Last One Laughing. This is totally not.
869
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:36.440
It's totally off talk about it.
870
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.239
It's just fun. But there's a show where basically comedians
871
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:40.880
get thrown in a house like Big Brother, and they
872
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:42.440
have to stay in there for like ten hours and
873
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:44.519
they're not allowed to laugh, so you have to make
874
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:46.519
the others laugh to leave the house, and last One
875
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:49.239
Laughing wins. And there was a Canadian version of it
876
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:52.960
where all all the contestants were Canadian only contestants, and
877
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:55.559
yet Tom Green is Canadian and he was one of
878
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:58.000
the ones in there and he just kept going after
879
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:00.079
this one other girl, this other comedian, and he's just
880
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:02.599
like making grilled cheese sandwiches, and he saw that she
881
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:05.159
was laughing just the way he's saying grilled cheese, semam.
882
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:07.840
And so he just kept going, would you like me
883
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:10.639
to make you a delicious cheese sandwich?
884
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:13.400
And he just over and over constantly. It was the
885
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:16.679
funniest shit I've ever seen. And now I cannot hear
886
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:19.920
or say the word delicious without thinking.
887
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:21.119
That delicious cheese.
888
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:24.599
So we constantly just say delicious cheese sandwich in this house.
889
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:27.320
We should have a shirt that says delicious cheese sandwich.
890
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:31.159
Actually i'd wear I'm rock it. Okay, holy shit, where
891
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:31.679
was I here?
892
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:34.039
Sorry, We're the worst.
893
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:38.400
Okay. So, like basically everything else in their life, the
894
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:43.360
brothers ignored these legal pressures, eventually getting banned for holding
895
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:47.639
future parties, and ultimately in two thousand, the city shut
896
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:51.960
down Piggy Palace. It's honestly surprising that they had their
897
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:54.559
fun for like that many years. That it was probably
898
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:55.280
four years.
899
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:56.440
Yeah, that's absurd.
900
00:44:56.559 --> 00:44:58.360
I cannot even believe that they got away with that
901
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:00.079
for four years.
902
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.760
Bringing in, like you said, like ten grand a night.
903
00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:06.079
I know, like they must like run rich as heck.
904
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:09.480
I don't know. Maybe there was high costs of running it,
905
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:13.559
but there was also along with like Hell's Angels. There
906
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:16.760
was sex workers that would come and like people from
907
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:19.719
the downtown east Side and stuff. So I don't know,
908
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.639
like it's just the fact. And then it was being
909
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:24.440
ran as a charity and stuff. It just seems like
910
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:25.800
the most interesting.
911
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:30.599
Regardless it promoted a very not so much healthy lifestyle.
912
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:33.039
Yeah, I don't know, the whole situation just seemed so
913
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:36.559
crazy to me. Okay. So now, during much of this time,
914
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:39.920
from the span of Robert losing his father slash mother
915
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:44.239
just shortly after the close of Piggy Palace, there was
916
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:48.360
a wide known problem happening in Vancouver's downtown east Side,
917
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:53.920
and it was the disappearing of women, more specifically sex workers.
918
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:59.519
As the rate of disappearances escalated, rumors of a sex
919
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:03.960
section I know, I got this, but I'm like, I'm
920
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:06.559
just like really reading too fast. So rumors of a
921
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:11.199
serial killer began to circulate. The women were in fear
922
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:14.840
of their life. They began walking in groups and writing
923
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:20.800
down license plate numbers of vehicles picking up their friends,
924
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:24.760
which is which is awesome. Like they were looking out
925
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:27.400
for each other each other's back, which is really awesome.
926
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:30.480
And clearly because the RCMP.
927
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:34.320
City Police they didn't feel like anyone else did.
928
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:37.760
Yeah, the police didn't have their back. So I don't
929
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.000
think RCMPR in Vancouver. It's city police, aren't they.
930
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:43.559
Yeah, I think it's like Vancouver Police Department. Yeah, I
931
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:44.880
don't think. I don't think it's rc ANDP.
932
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:47.599
So I just wanted to clarify because I said RCMP four.
933
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:50.960
Oh okay. So family members and friends were also reaching
934
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:54.320
out to police, reporting their loved ones as missing and
935
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:59.119
having no idea why or how they vanished, but knowing
936
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:06.079
their loved ones were leaving behind personal identification, treasured children's pictures, medications,
937
00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:09.880
and uncashed welfare checks. Things that you wouldn't necessarily be
938
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:14.159
leaving behind if you were just like skipping town. Yeah, no, kidding,
939
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:15.599
very important items really.
940
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:18.400
Yeah, someone who's skipping town, you know, running away from
941
00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:22.000
a lifestyle or other individuals that they're probably going to
942
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:23.920
need all the income they can get and they're going
943
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:25.119
to take that with them.
944
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:26.920
M they're medications, and they're probably going to get the
945
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:27.519
photos of their.
946
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.119
Children, right exactly. They're going to take those possessions that
947
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:30.960
are close to them.
948
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:35.239
Absolutely. Most of the senior police officers in the Vancouver
949
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:39.360
Police Department refuse to believe a serial killer was at
950
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:43.960
work because of the marginalized lifestyles and transient habits of
951
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.199
the victims going missing, The police were not taking the
952
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:51.039
concerns seriously and believe there was no indication of a
953
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:56.360
serial killer on the loose, instead suggesting that an increasing
954
00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:59.960
level of violence and disputes over drugs in the downtown
955
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:04.679
East Side were likely to blame. But they also did
956
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:07.760
not give an explanation for the lack of bodies being
957
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:09.599
found if that were the case.
958
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:15.039
Yeah, and I mean just playing devil's advocate here, say
959
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:16.880
the police are right, and that is playing a role.
960
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:19.480
I'm sure it is playing a role. I'm sure it's
961
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.400
not the entire reason, though maybe there is. It is
962
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:25.440
accounting for a couple, but it's definitely not accounting for all.
963
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:28.760
Oh yeah, I mean some of them would have been overdoses,
964
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:31.800
but then they would have had a body, and some
965
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:34.599
people did go missing later to be found. So it's
966
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:39.239
like I I but the amount of numbers that were
967
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:42.559
going missing was too high to ignore. Really. Oh yeah,
968
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:46.440
So in nineteen eighty seven, the RCMP did set up
969
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:49.719
a special team to investigate the disappearances.
970
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:51.199
You said, RCMP.
971
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:56.079
Shit, I do have RCMP. Okay, now I'm gonna have
972
00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:56.760
to double check.
973
00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:59.360
I'm pretty sure. I'm gonna give here a quick Google while.
974
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.559
Your tah no, let's just look right now.
975
00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:04.960
Okay. So we just gave it a quick Google search,
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and just to clarify if RCMP are operating within Vancouver,
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here's what Google says. It says the Northern sorry, the
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North Vancouver. Wow, I can't talk good thing I'm not
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presenting today. The North Vancouver City District and provincial RCMP units,
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for example, make up the North Vancouver detachments. So there
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is both RCMP and city police in Vancouver.
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Okay, which makes sense because I do kind of go
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back and forth a little bit.
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So yeah, so they're they're operating together basically.
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There's also Google reviews for RCMP, which seems wild to me.
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They are happily they have a two point eight goog review.
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Why am I not surprised?
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That's really interesting. They should be having not reviews on there. Okay,
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but I also just have to say something really quick,
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is we are garbage jump in town. I have to
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like google it sometimes to look at the hours, and
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there's literally a five star review on there. That says
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some they what did it? Would say, it's a garbage dump.
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I dump things, and every time I look at the hours,
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I just like freaking laugh my ass off. It's so funny.
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Five stars, five stars and lets me dump things.
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Yep.
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Okay. So in nineteen eighty seven, the oh did I Okay,
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that's where we left off, and then we're like, oh,
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there's yeah. So I'm just gonna say that lining in.
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The RCMP did set up a special team to investigate
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the disappearances, but due to limited progress, it was disbanded
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in nineteen eighty nine. In nineteen ninety one, families of
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the missing women, along with advocates for sex trade workers,
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would establish an annual Valentine's Day a Remembrance Walk, as
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a memorial to remember or to the murder to missing victims.
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The hopes of this was to bring light to the
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situation and that police may once again start an investigation,
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but the police were sluggish to respond. The Vancouver Sun
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a key was the police of geving low priority to
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crimes committed against sex workers. They were also criticized for
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their reluctance to adopt new emerging methods of investigation, such
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as psychological criminal profiling, and geo profiling. Though the creep
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factor was high with Robert Picton, he wasn't necessarily under
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radar until he was actually caught. We'll talk about these
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are the complaints that would come in regarding Robert. But
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in nineteen ninety seven, there was a significant missed opportunity
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that could have prevented the death of many women, and
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that was the incident with Wendy Lynn Eiestetter and my friends.
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That's also we're going to stop today's episode.
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That was information overload.
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Yeah, we had to get through all that stuff to
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be able to tell the rest of the story.
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Well, it's severely important to consider what happened after words,
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because now we kind of have a picture of his
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history and what kind of individual he has become, yes,
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and the opportunities he had to turn himself around and
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never really fully took advantage of them.
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Yeah, so we'll be we'll be doing part two next week.
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And I also wanted to showed out a book. So
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this book was written by Stevie Cameron and it's titled
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On the Farm Robert William picked him and the tragic
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story of Vancouver Missing women. And so I'm finally reading
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a book for a case, which I'm like, yes, some'vering awesome.
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You generally don't have the time to read a full
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book for.
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It, I know, And this time I'm just like, you
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know what, I'm just going to like do it. So
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I'm I am like skimming because i mean, it's like
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seven on our pages and we're not going to have
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like a seven hour podcast. So if you really wanted to,
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like dive super deep, you could read that. And because
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it's really well done, it's just like a wealth of information.
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But yeah, next week we'll be giving you more details
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on this and this nasty character that we're talking about here.
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Yeah, one that hits close to home for us and
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one that is known worldwide because this is crazy.
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Yeah, it's very crazy.
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Well well done so far, that was really good.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, if you guys want to see more of us,
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the new merch we dropped this week.
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Oh yeah, we had some super cool merch.
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Actually, we had three new designs, all colored designs for
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T shirt stickers, water bottles, you name it, all designed
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by the guy who's talking right now. And socks, Yes, socks.
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The socks are actually dope. They are I love They're
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we would love, love, love for you to give us
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Reviews and ratings help the algorithm actually shout our podcast
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Podcast, which is honestly how we got to where we
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are too, was getting pushed by the algorithm. Really yeah,
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so if you got along with all these awesome people.
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Yes, definitely don't get me wrong there, but if you
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guys could help, you know, give us a review, hey,
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even maybe tell a friend about our podcast, it means
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you very much for all the support you've given us
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so far, and just wait for part two of Robert Pickton.
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So until then, until next
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Week, stay wicked.