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Welcome to why we work, with
your host, Brian V as he speaks
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to people like you from all over
the world as we together dive deeper into
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our motivations, struggles, joys,
seemingly missteps, hopes, warnings and advice
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which would be an encouragement to us
all to get up, get going and
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keep on working. Working's tough,
but working's good. Now here's your host
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to why we work, Brian V. I'm Brian be at why we work,
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and I have the great pleasure of
being here with Mr Robert O'Connor.
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Good day, sir, hey a
doing. I was just commenting. I'm
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well. Thank you on that great
backdrop and I think anyone who watches this
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will hope that they were there with
you. Yeah, I wish I was.
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Actually, I wish it was.
It's like that right now. We're
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expected a tropical storm here in the
next couple days, so it's a little
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it's the com before the store,
but it's not sonny out in terms of
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work. Robert, can you give
us a rundown, a little history of
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how you came into where you are
now and all the way back from when
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you were a kid, when you
had your first job man. Well,
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it's interesting like actually and actuality.
My father helped me start my first driving
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actually it was like he bought me
a hot docer. So I was like
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in business from the get go.
How I was just turned sixteen. I
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was actually like fifteen, turning sixteen
when he bought it. Yeah, because,
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you know, I wasn't able to
drive it myself to where I had
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to set up. So but as
I turned sixteen I was able to go
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on, but he would literally drive
me to wherever we were setting up and
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I would get out make hot dogs
all day. And there's actually where it
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was. What state is this?
This is a New York in New York.
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Saw Dogs in New York, right. Yeah, well, yeah,
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not in the city, but upstate. So it did a lot of special
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events. You know, I'll still
a kid going to school and stuff.
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So yeah, we did a lot
of a lot of like softball games,
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parades, things of that. So
I did you start that? Why did
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he buy that for you? What
was what was his motivation or your motivation
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to want to start? You know, it was actually his idea. I
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didn't. I think he had the
idea. He wanted to sell those,
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but he didn't want to be the
one doing any want to be the one
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doing it. Yeah, so I
end up be in his employee I guess,
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even though it was mine, called
the Bob's Weiner Wagon. But you
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know, like things get tense if
you better, business would like family,
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you know, and I'm a young
kid. So I did it for a
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year. I was making great money. I mean I make a thousand dollars
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in the day, you know,
sixteen years old. So, but that
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that friction between, you know,
me and my bother owner and employee.
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Yeah, it didn't didn't go so
well. So I like quit doing it
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and I went't got a real job. So well, what was that,
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if you don't mind me asking?
What was the big contention with you too?
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Not In the relationship, but what
was what were you not liking about
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the like I said, your relationship? I mean I was, you know,
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our relationship at the time. You
know, I'm just coming up and
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we're both kind of like Alfa's and
I, you know, I kind of
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wanted to do my own thing.
So, like when we started and we
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were under, you know as under
the impression that it was mine, I
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would get to do it when I
wanted to. But then you know if
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I was missing out on an event
or something like that of my my re
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end. Yeah, so, and
that's toff at sixteen, right. You're
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like, Dad, I want to
go play my friends, I want to
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go. Yeah, I want to
go to I was getting into girls and
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stuff like Ts. Want to be
on a date and you know, I
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was an immature obviously at that time. So, but it was it was
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an expired experience. You know,
I learned about business right off the right
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off the bat. And how that? What was he doing at that point?
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What was your dad doing at that
point? My father was. He
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worked for the DOT in New York. You would go around inspect bridges,
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okay, that's sort of thing,
rose traffic patterns. After you quit your
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first job, what what happened?
What did you do after that? I
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said going to be away. Remember
how it came up about. But I
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went to work for a movie theater
as a movie so it's like a seemed
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like a good fit. So I
went to movie theater that was in the
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mall and then originally began as like
a ticket taker. We can popcorn and
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that cold sort of thing, but
I soon moved up to projections, which
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was, you know, like what
all the cool kids did. So I
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learned how to, you know,
do roll the film and through the projectors
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and go and hit the start times
and I worked bet job for three years.
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How did you make the transition for
making a thousand dollars a day?
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Yeah, you not making a thousand
dollars a day, because I'm really sure.
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I mean me, and I was
a kid, so I didn't have
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a lot of expenses at the time. So yeah, it's not like,
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you know, all the money I
was making. I was blowing as fast
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as I need it regardless. I
just needed a car, still living at
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my folks house. It was,
you know, because the thousand dollars a
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day wasn't consistent. You know,
that was like, you know, and
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one day like at a parade,
like at an event, normally, like
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the normal events. That was like
every week we're like softball games, which
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I would still make three four hundred
dollars in a couple of hours. So
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it was spread out. But yeah, I was only making at the movie
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theater like I want to say,
like six bucks, maybe seven dollars.
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I then the added bonus for you
was that your boss was not your father
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as well. Yeah, and there
was fringe benefits, its popular and free
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movies. Free movies, right.
That's always how it cod yeah, three
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years of that. That brings you
ups up almost till twenty. Is that
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correct? Nineteen. Yeah, so
I went to went off to you know,
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I went to college. What was
your what was your mission to go
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to college? What did you want
to do and what was your end?
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Goes on a path, you know, coming out of high school, graduating.
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I want the estate trooper, New
York State Trooper. was there anyone
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in your family that was a trooper
or, you know, out of the
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first generation? It's just something that
I wanted to do. So I started
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college, Major and in Criminal Justice
and during that first year I had a
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longtime girlfriend that I actually met at
the movie theater and we've been dating for,
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you know, quite some time,
since early since I've like first year,
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sixteen or seventeen, and they're my
second semester. She got pregnant.
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So at that same time the casino
was opening near my an Indian casino on
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near my house, and of course
they come out and they're advertising positions are
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going to be available and you know
you're going to make all this money.
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There's all these great benefits and so
on, so forth. Well, I
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kind of figured, you know,
I had to get a job and you
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had some pressure on the other side. Now, yeah, because up in
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New York you'd have to have a
bachelor's degree to become a state trooper.
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But was looking at three more years
of college. I have time for that.
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So they actually borrowed some money for
my board because we had to pay
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for Black Jack School and I was
still working at the at the movie theater.
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So I was going to school for
Black Jacket like five in the morning,
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five hour days for six weeks,
eight weeks me before it casino open,
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and halfway through it I was about
to go back to college because that
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the girlfriend and I separated and you
know, she went off and and didn't
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have a baby. So sorry,
you said, you said didn't did not
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yet did not. Okay. So
here I was like kind of a precipice.
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You know what I do? I
go back to school and do that.
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And I sat down with my Black
Jack Teachers and I said, I
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think I'm going to leave, go
back to you know, on my oath.
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They're like no, you're so good, you know, and I was.
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That was kind of actual like I'm
pretty good at picking up on things
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like really quick and they said,
you know, you'd be great, you
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can make so much money, blah, Blah Blah. Just give it a
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chance, you finish out the fishop
the class. So I did and I
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got in the Casino, started doing
you know, started baking money, which
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up there is good where I was, is a lot better than what I
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was making the movie theater. But
for a time I worked, you know,
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both for part time at the movie
theater, really just to kind of
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keep my fringe benefits hopcorn thee movies. Yeah, but that didn't last long
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because working full time Sinos was draining
to see. Yeah, I would say
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that movie theater might be a little
more relaxing. I mean probably a stressed
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at times, but versus a casino, where it's like being in a hotel
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or something, you always have to
be on your a game and everyone's there
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for the best experience and you need
to provide that for someone. Yeah,
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and especially, you know, dealing
cards, you're always you know, your
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rocks and all the time you have
to be paying attention. So many things
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are happening. But that's how I
got that's how I got put on that
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path and I never did return to
college, to fish and the state trooper,
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which like right about now. I've
been close to retire and fully I
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know can care. You look at
some people now, they're forty, fifty
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and then the retired. I'm like, Oh, where did I go wrong?
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So many different ways, but they
still to now the casino business man.
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It's been quite a journey, you
know. It's in that for twenty
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seven years. I'm still involved with
actually. So how has that progress for
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you from you started a table dealing
and we're had that. Where did that
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take you? Well, you know, again I was young at the time,
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nineteen years old, and the only
reason I could become a dealer at
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that casino at Nineteen, or most
casinos were twenty one, is met did
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not serve alcohol for the first several
years because the try mothers, you know,
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folded it down. They didn't want
alcohol as part of the part of
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the deal. So I was able
to work at nineteen years old and I
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was the youngest dealer at the time
in the whole casino for about eight months
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and then any other kid came to
the but you know, and as one
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of those things I picked up really
quick I got really good within a couple
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months. I was in the highlander
all the time, like Jack, and
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I was making good money for my
age. So I, you know,
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screwed around and if you know the
casino business, it's a it's the party
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atmosphere, and did a lot of
party from there deal. What was the
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question again? Well, how did
you move up in I mean you look
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at the movie casino like to the
eye in the sky type thing, like
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did you stay? You said,
twenty seven years, a dealer for twenty
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seven years or we do know all
more boss those sorts of things. Yeah,
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I mean I've been as high up
as an assisticncino manager. But you
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know, what happened was so,
you know, you can boar deal one
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game. You can't just deal Black
Jack all the time. Well, at
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least nothing. You know, I
like really bored, so I started picking
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up all the other games. You
no crabs and we're lad all the baker
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rock games and stuff like that.
So as I was doing crashed. You
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know again, I got good really
quick. I think we're talking ninety three,
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so like ninety seven I got it's
on a crab game. You know,
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like I said, he kind of
become a Prima Donna. They always
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say that, like casino dealers are
Prima Donna's and you know, you think
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you're on top of everything, chipping
sting. So I got into a tive
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with one of my box versions over
the way I was dealing and we had
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already made plans, me and a
couple other dealers, that we were going
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to you know, he actually,
my friend told me about the casino boats
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in Florida. Yeah, I didn't
know anything about the time up to this
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point. You've been in New York
the whole time. Yeah, I've been
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at this one casino and had I
thought about movement? You know, not
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really. I mean we spoken look
going to Vegas. You know, I
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had some friends already at that point
that had left and the Vegas. Some
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had on to like Detroit, opencasing. Those are some Connecticut box woods,
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but I didn't know anybody that went
to Florida. My friend told me about
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the boat. It's like I got
into this this issue that this one box
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person here with me and I was
like, you know what I'm going now?
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I'm going to check out Florida,
you know. So I went down
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on vacasion, book the flight,
stayed in Orlando. The boats were in
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Cape Canaver and went over there and
tried it out. When on the boat,
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you know, first of all,
I've never been on the ocean.
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They don't have a boat, so
I don't know what the hell to expect.
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So I was like, I just
want to make sure I was good
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with it. And when out there, they put me right on a table
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and audition, an audition. Okay, okay, and you all you go
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on there to deal with few hands, like like how did how did you
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feel for that audition? That,
when your state, you're on a boat,
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is new territory for you. How
did you actually feel, even though,
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what did you say? You Have
Prima Donna, you are a Prima
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Donna New York. You go down
that Florida. How did you actually feel?
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I was big stuff up there.
Now I'm like nervous, I'm on
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a boat, my legs are wobbly, I'm sweat and bullets in front of
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the scree people. What it was? It was like dealing drunk is what
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it was like, you know,
but I apparently I did a really good
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job. So I went back.
You know, I enjoyed the rest of
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my vacation and I went back to
New York and within a week they called
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me and said, you know,
come on down the job tears and they
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were making real good money, because
now I'm more than double my handkle by
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that move. You know, it's
a smaller boat and they were it was
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hard to get in to the found
these boats. They were taking people vagus
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from far away as England. So
because it was probably the best pain dealing
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job in the country. And so
they you had to have all the games.
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You had to be very proficient have
but you mentioned the Games and I
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want to ask ask this, sorry
about in New York. How difficult was
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it? You said it's necessary because
you couldn't do blackjack the whole time.
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How difficult was it to transition from
like? Does a casino generally offer you
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some training, or is it just
something you have to watch? You may
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even have to play and say I
need to get some experience with this.
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How is the transition from table so
that it gave you the experience you need?
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You needed to go down to Florida. Well, some games, you
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know, they you can you can
train on the game. Right. So
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an art casino you had to pay
for the Games, but you also in
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return, you got a raised to
your base Da. So you're badly.
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The way you get paid is,
you know, your base rate plus tips,
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and the tips are figured out.
It's different different places, but there
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it was like I'm an hourly,
you know. So they pulled all the
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tips for that aulided it by all
the hours worked and that was great.
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So craps, you learned a dollar
more per hour on your base ry because
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it was the most difficult game.
Is The casino to do. So once
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you were on the craft schedule,
that's what you were. Crabs dealer that
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sometimes when though, black Chack,
all the other games like, we let
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out stuff like that. It was
a twenty by center. So you can
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Max out on your base. I
think they're the Max of seven hundred and
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twenty five. So I'm maxed and
I still have more games, but I
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can learning money. So how they
max the Games in terms of difficulty?
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What is the difficult part of it? What makes a game? How do
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they define the difficulty of a card
game from for the other probably the moving
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parts, you know, and perhaps
there's a lot of moving parts. Yeah,
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Black Jack is pretty straightforward. A
lot of Folker Games are pretty straight
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forward. What we call novelties are
like let it ride, you know,
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big six wheel or whatever it is. Those are what they consider novelties.
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Pretty much anybody can can deal them
once you know the basics of gaming.
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So those ones you would learn on
the job. You don't really necessarily go
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to the class. Maybe go to
like a two hour thing. F It's
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something you never know. Usually they're
like get on the game and deal it.
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At the time, like at the
at my first casino op in New
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York, it was a lot of
Atlantic City guys that opened our casino and
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back then things were done a little
differently than they are now, you know,
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so they're so yeah, I was
gonna say like did you find things
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were fair, like, if you
can say fair for the tailors? Was
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it fair for you? Was it
was it? Was it right or you
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just this was the job you're doing
and it was good? It was.
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It was different. It was a
culture shock for a lot of people,
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especially up in that area, because
it's it was mostly, you know,
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a world the casine was located like
a world area between two medium sized cities,
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it's being Syracuse, and between like
circus. All the he's circustituted a
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lot of people weren't used to that
kind of atmosphere. So you had a
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lot of union workers and stuff like
that up there. Man, that stuffing
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fly at this. See those guys. I got a card. Yeah,
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yeah, I've seen I mean I
seen dealers just like walk off the table
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and just leave, you know,
throw their badge on the ground. I
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mean I see the Guy Punch out
one of the Pitman MM. Because the
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pit managers they were rough, you
know, they had a thick skin,
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because they would write you and give
you a hard time. So, yeah,
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when I say it was different,
it was very different. He's to
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get kicked in the shins a lot, you know, from under the table.
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I never had to manager come by
and kicking it. If you were
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losing like a lot of money,
like hand to went hand kickings, you
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lose this next singing it's so did
that make you become a better pit manager
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yourself? Oh, yeah, it
was more about learning what not to do,
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you know, then what to do. I saw a lot of and
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I know how that made me feel
at the time. You know, it's
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kind of I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I had kind of the
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the old school where procedures really mattered, and then, as I grew throughout
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my casine up, things kind of
shifted two more customer service was more important
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than procedures. Right. So,
at the time it is like procedure,
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procedure, procedure, you know,
when money and then it became you know
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what, they were more confident in
the odds of the game and went in
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by keeping the players there and keep
it up happy, right. Yeah.
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So, yeah, there was a
shift in the whole industry where that old
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school kind of you know, mean
pit manager like standing that and not taught.
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I must have been a hard transition
for a lot of people. Oh
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yeah, yeah, there's people that
you know are out there that still I
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don't think I transition fully, but
but they've had through at things are much
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better now than they were back then. It was, you know, I
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was a kid, so I didn't
really know any I just saw this is
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the way it is. You know, I've had two managers come to me.
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I was losing, you know,
I'm doing like Jack. They said
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dump the dump the shoe. I'm
like, where does that even mean?
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I'm like I don't know if it
means. If that shoe don't hit the
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floor in two seconds, you're going
the office. Or whatever. I was
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like, okay, whoops, shoe
got dropped on the floor. Cards everywhere
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up. Sorry, you guys show
pulling that over, start over. Yeah,
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things like monster kilter. Yeah,
yeah, stuff like that. But
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yeah, so, you know,
I went and and going to transitioning down
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the Florida on the casino boats.
You know, we're in New York or
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wearing, you know, the Tuxedo
shirts and old tie. Everything's real tight.
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I went to Florida, everything's really
loose. Things Island, right.
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So now you got silk, you
know, like Hawaiian shirts on it.
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Everything collar real comfortable. I think
we were Khaki's that those way more laid
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back. It was a total shift, total chream. So did you get
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any friction leaving New York from anyone, whether your work or family or all?
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Right, fact, well, a
little bit. I mean they're like,
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you know where you going, why
you doing that? So it's like
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we had plans. So the guys
that told me about the boats, you
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know, they stuck around New York
for about six months. So I kind
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of went down. There's that up
shop. Got It, got a my
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first book place with a condor.
It on the Beach Cocoa Beach and that
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was beautiful, totally furnished. All
I had was my whatever I could fit
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in my truck at the time.
That's all I want. I came down
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with and, like I said,
is a different, totally different feel.
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Young Kid, new place. Was
I twenty three at the time? Yeah,
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twenty three. There's young pop.
Yeah, and you know, the
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Party and was even even harder when
I got there. So it is even
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more because it's different, like with
we're I was coming from a seven casino.
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Twenty four hours on the boats.
You know, it's a day trip.
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You'd go off for two or I
think at the time we went out
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three times a day, one after
night, but you all quit at the
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same time. So, yeah,
the boat clothes came back and where are
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we going? Is, yeah,
you're at the bar here next door all
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everybody. So it is a different
scene. But I brought a lot of
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a lot of the guys that were
that I worked with the New York you
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know, I said this is great, you know, come down, I'm
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making a ton of money. There's
no snow to can then way, you
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know. You know, it's like
paradise. So a lot, a lot
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of people came down. I end
up a friend of mine, colleague that
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came down at the same time I
did, but he came down and supervisor
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role and he was a supervisor in
New York with me or for me,
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and he convinced me into becoming a
supervisor. So I did it. became
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a supervisor. Opening came up and
I started being one of those, you
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know, one of those people that
sit box on the crappine and for the
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game, sort of learning different things, but I still young. That's twenty
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three, twenty four. I think
I was twenty four by that point and
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I picked up on it quick like
I do everything else. And we actually
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got bought out at some point in
there, because we started out its like
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diamond well and the Sun cruise bought
us, which they were at the time
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of the largest, you know.
They owned several books throughout the State Florida,
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and we got our old mammally are
you know, we got a new
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management, new people came in and
a were the managers happy to be actually
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a CACO manager, happy to be
a shift manager of mine from New York,
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one of those last word, I
guess. See this is like it's
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crazy, because you say it's a
small world, like this business is even
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smaller. You know, you might
be working with somebody for years and then
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not working for him for years and
then like a little while later you're working
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in somewhere else with them again.
Yeah, pop up. It's having several
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times to me. But this guy, he was a he was a was
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hard nosed and you know when you
saw him you were not happy to see
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this guy. Or at first you
were like well, I mean you can
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do this. You kind of are
because you know them that you know there's
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some connection to the past. But
I knew how he was and it was
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kind of, you know, a
hard ass, and you could be,
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but he was, you know,
he was one of those guys that was
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like if you don't, if you're
not happy here, you know, there's
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the door. We only want happy
people. All right, it's just that
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it's probably was, and you know, to that like I could expect it
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now, you know, I know
he's trying to say, but he was
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part of that old school, but
he was hound. He's a little more
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human. In the beginning, you
know, we didn't have a close relationship.
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In fact, and this is where
the story gets interesting, is I
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had a complete blow out with them
where. I mean I almost like we
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had a it almost came to blows, like right here, new money.
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You're twenty five. How old is
guy? Twenty four? I was twenty
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four the time. He's like sixty
something. Okay, yeah, probably young,
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early S so yeah, we had
a drag out blow out in the
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something stupid. You know. It's
just me being in the turn like I
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you know, there wasn't a lot
of people on the bow. We used
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to have a jump list, is
what they called it. So basically,
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if you did if they didn't need
you, based on the amount of people
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that are on the on the ship, they would send you home if you
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were on this list, you know. So I wanted to go out with
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my boys and go go drink.
Everyone wants to be on the list.
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Yeah, yeah, so are Ye
jump that? Yeah, the jump list,
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you know, and they would let
you know like last minute, just
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before they're about to pull the game. They hope it. Yeah, sometimes
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when you were jumping off off the
boat, I'm the gangway to get out
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of there. But yeah, I
mean he kept for no reason at all
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and like we got a huge argument, I mean huge argument, whereas like
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I went home and I was like
you know, after the you know,
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you calm down everything you're thinking like
wow, I like get fired, I
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might, you know, reality sets
in. I might lose my job because
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it is so we were still mad
at each other. He kind of took
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a personally. You know, I
took it personally, but I decided at
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that moment that I wasn't going to
give him anything to get me out.
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I knew I was going to get
ridden and I knew I was going to
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be challenged. So I knew that
I had A to walk a tight rope.
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I just wasn't going to buy what. I wasn't going to engage in
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any activities. I didn't need to
belong and I was going to just do
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exactly. If he said something,
I was just going to do it.
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I wasn't going to argue it,
I was going to just do it best
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I could. And it's like a
time of growing up for me. Right.
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So, did you try? You
said, did you have anyone to
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talk to at that point? I
did you confide, but, like,
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I mean, there is ice in
that situation. Yeah, you know,
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there's guys I came up with.
There's a guy's about my age, maybe
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like year old of me. He
was also from New York, but he'd
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been down on the boats. He
had gone to another on the west coast,
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Tampa, like Brian. Now he
you know, I looked up to
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him and he would sit, you
know, we would talk about it and
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he's like, may just be there. You know, walk tight rope.
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You know, some times are saying
like Oh, you should go apologize and
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this that, and you know,
I wasn't quite to that point. Yeah,
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we're going to apologize. I might
keep my mouth at but I'm not.
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Yeah, I I just, yeah, cut my mouth. So I
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cut my nose down and I did
work and I worked really, really hard.
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I didn't like literally, there's nothing
I was so clean and everything I
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did and we didn't talk like at
all, like we did not other than
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unless it was one hundred percent relevant, like him just telling me to do
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something was just me saying okay and
going and doing it. You know,
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we didn't we didn't engage. So
that went on for about six months and
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it was actually him. You know, that came to me as like he
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goes, you know, he goes. You don't know how close you were
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to getting fired? I think,
yeah, I do. He's like he
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goes, I wanted to fire you
so bad he was. I was looking
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for anything, any reason to he
goes. You never gave me one,
412
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:22.150
and he's like because he did.
You know, he would challenge me at
413
00:36:22.190 --> 00:36:25.630
times, you know, telling me
to do stuff that you normally you wouldn't
414
00:36:25.630 --> 00:36:29.829
would I do. You know,
I was just like okay, I'll do
415
00:36:29.869 --> 00:36:38.699
it, and he he, I
guess, was surprised by me, like
416
00:36:39.059 --> 00:36:45.980
impressed that he value or workability.
Right, if he did, any vague
417
00:36:45.019 --> 00:36:50.570
might work. You know that like
when I put my nose down and did
418
00:36:50.650 --> 00:36:53.730
it, I was committed and I
was really good at it. You know,
419
00:36:53.769 --> 00:36:58.409
I would go and at the Times. So, like you know,
420
00:36:58.610 --> 00:37:02.519
some of the things that you did
in between cruises was every time you had
421
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:07.400
to come back in, you had
three miles to do everything, like close
422
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:09.920
the tables and everything. So you're
closing table, your reading the rack,
423
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:17.030
which is counting all the chips and
Inn Torion. So I was like super
424
00:37:17.070 --> 00:37:21.309
quick at that, like I could
read the rack and I would just sprattle
425
00:37:21.389 --> 00:37:24.510
off the numbers and he prided himself. He thought he was quick. So
426
00:37:24.750 --> 00:37:29.750
he wanted to start running with me
because it would take two managers to do
427
00:37:29.949 --> 00:37:34.059
it and one would be calling out
the numbers when we'd be doing it and
428
00:37:34.139 --> 00:37:38.579
then adding them up, and I
was like lightning whole and he wanted the
429
00:37:38.619 --> 00:37:45.369
challenge and I would always beat them, he feel like. So, anyway,
430
00:37:45.489 --> 00:37:53.289
we saw our relationship was kind of
was better right once, once he
431
00:37:55.369 --> 00:37:59.880
said that to me once, you
know, like I then is when I
432
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:07.599
apologized, you know, for my
actions, you know. So I was
433
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:12.909
kind of back in the saddle again. Rights I was in as good grace
434
00:38:12.989 --> 00:38:21.989
has things went on and like six
months after that, Position Open Belt for
435
00:38:22.269 --> 00:38:29.739
Assistant Casino Manager, and he was
my he he came to me and said,
436
00:38:29.780 --> 00:38:37.099
I'm going to recommend you. Imagine
that. I wouldn't never earlier year
437
00:38:37.219 --> 00:38:42.409
before, yeah, you're earlier,
I was as close to losing my job
438
00:38:43.929 --> 00:38:51.369
and and then a year later I'm
like being recommended for from the guy that
439
00:38:51.849 --> 00:38:58.679
was actually going to fire me.
Actually got a big thing, and of
440
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:06.960
course I got the I got the
job pretty much uncontended and I was the
441
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:12.909
youngest that I know of to get
that high of a position at that age,
442
00:39:12.909 --> 00:39:16.710
at twenty five years old. I
was in charge of the boat,
443
00:39:17.230 --> 00:39:24.300
so when he wasn't there, it
was my boat. I like we did
444
00:39:24.380 --> 00:39:29.099
everything. There was a lot.
It wasn't just table games. Like we
445
00:39:29.219 --> 00:39:32.619
told the boat when we're leaving,
we told them what will coming back and
446
00:39:32.780 --> 00:39:40.449
said we made all the decisions related
to the operation of the boat. So,
447
00:39:40.769 --> 00:39:45.690
like I did some in that one
year's time, like some major growing
448
00:39:45.730 --> 00:39:52.090
up. Did you find that not
being on the tables? Did you enjoy
449
00:39:52.250 --> 00:39:54.840
that more? Did you find that
easier? Because there's a whole another ball
450
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:59.440
of stress that can go with that
too. Righte all right, you know,
451
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:05.440
I don't get stressed much. You
Got I'm pretty level, like even
452
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.949
keel kind of guy, and that's
why I think, you know, I
453
00:40:07.110 --> 00:40:12.190
do well in high limit rooms and
deal with high you know, mom on
454
00:40:12.309 --> 00:40:19.030
some money because of just my is
in my nature, just how I am.
455
00:40:20.230 --> 00:40:22.260
A lot of dealers, a lot
of people get freaked out, you
456
00:40:22.340 --> 00:40:27.940
know, they see lots of money
and they're just like they freeze, you
457
00:40:27.980 --> 00:40:30.500
know, there they can deal in
the headlights or they get shaky. It
458
00:40:30.699 --> 00:40:35.969
just just tras here making us you're
making a thousand dollars a day and hotdog
459
00:40:36.050 --> 00:40:39.650
stands. Yeah, I had no
problem. It didn't phase you, and
460
00:40:39.809 --> 00:40:43.969
then phase me. Man, I
was I was singing hot dogs and most
461
00:40:44.010 --> 00:40:51.719
fifteen. But yeah, I just
didn't get phased by it. But it's
462
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:57.719
definitely a lot more going on behind
the tables then you would think at the
463
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.559
time. At the time, you
know, when you're dealer, you're looking
464
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:02.920
back and you're like, what are
these guys do? It's like they just
465
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:07.429
staying there all day not doing anything. You know, here you're pumping cards
466
00:41:07.469 --> 00:41:10.989
or whatever, and you think they're
not doing anything. But then you get
467
00:41:12.030 --> 00:41:16.469
to that position and you're like wow, there's way more to it than it
468
00:41:16.590 --> 00:41:22.980
appears. You're just looking at it
through a different Lens, right. So
469
00:41:23.139 --> 00:41:30.500
you're you're not focused on just your
game and the five or six players that
470
00:41:30.699 --> 00:41:35.329
you're you have in front of you. You know, you're you got all
471
00:41:35.570 --> 00:41:38.130
these, you know. So now
your your vision has to open up.
472
00:41:38.449 --> 00:41:44.289
You have to see everything. And
he like took me under his wing and
473
00:41:45.489 --> 00:41:50.440
you know, even before he put
me up, you know, really after
474
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.679
we made up, before he promoted
me, you know, he kind of
475
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:58.920
took me under his might, his
wing and mentored me. You know,
476
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:04.070
it started stone me the intricacies and
all this and the stuff you should be
477
00:42:04.150 --> 00:42:07.670
looking for. They taught me how
to count cards. You know, because
478
00:42:07.710 --> 00:42:12.230
that was something I was going to
have to learn to identify. You'll be
479
00:42:12.309 --> 00:42:16.099
able to see see you gout,
you know. You got to learn how
480
00:42:16.179 --> 00:42:21.300
to cheat, to catch the cheats, the cheat. Yeah, yeah,
481
00:42:22.139 --> 00:42:28.139
so, and he just like open. My vision like open, you know.
482
00:42:28.219 --> 00:42:34.849
Now I'm looking and notice some people's
body language, you know, and
483
00:42:34.969 --> 00:42:39.010
there's a lot you can tell,
you can pick up on just by their
484
00:42:39.090 --> 00:42:45.000
body language. You know, even
with the dealers and with the players,
485
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:50.480
you'd say something's going on over there
and you go and look. So I
486
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:54.159
learned a lot there in that time. Is He is? Did you catch
487
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:58.440
some cheaters? Is that? Is
that a big thing? Like? I
488
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:00.190
mean there's probably a lot who tried
or, to think about it, anyone
489
00:43:00.269 --> 00:43:05.150
who wanted a dollar thought of an
easier way to get it. But he
490
00:43:05.309 --> 00:43:10.269
catch a lot, is it?
In my years I've caught several. I've
491
00:43:10.389 --> 00:43:19.980
caught card counters, including the main
guy from twenty one, the the movie,
492
00:43:20.460 --> 00:43:24.260
the guy that m guy that that
really started the whole card county revolution,
493
00:43:24.300 --> 00:43:34.050
him wearing a disguise twice, two
times. Parts of this team.
494
00:43:35.849 --> 00:43:45.719
We've caught and I've caught slot cheats
as a assistant casino manager. I've caught
495
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:58.550
people with a fake money more than
cheese a bunch of times. The interesting
496
00:43:58.670 --> 00:44:05.429
one was the day of the that
caught the slot cheese. I technically I
497
00:44:05.550 --> 00:44:10.099
hadn't kept rough my my surveillance person
did, but I was the casino manager
498
00:44:10.260 --> 00:44:14.739
on the on the boat. I
was in charge that day. And what
499
00:44:14.940 --> 00:44:19.219
is it they're doing to cheat?
There are no cheaters. They were known.
500
00:44:19.579 --> 00:44:22.460
That what they used to have as
a black book. They called at
501
00:44:22.460 --> 00:44:25.570
the Griffin Book. That was that
went around to all the casinos. So
502
00:44:25.650 --> 00:44:30.050
if you made the book, you
know it means you've been caught before or
503
00:44:30.929 --> 00:44:35.969
were highly suspected of shooting or you're
blacklisted out of they gets or whatever.
504
00:44:37.889 --> 00:44:42.719
And this is a team of three
people and they were in there in the
505
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:47.360
book. But what they were doing
is they had a pretty intricate way of
506
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:51.880
doing things. So you know how
slot machines are usually in a row.
507
00:44:52.469 --> 00:45:00.389
So it was an old lady,
older lady and to like middle aged the
508
00:45:00.510 --> 00:45:05.469
couple. So the older lady would
sit at the end of the slot machines
509
00:45:05.829 --> 00:45:13.219
as a lookout, while the couple
one would the lady would obviously would kind
510
00:45:13.219 --> 00:45:19.300
of cover for her husband and he
would have what they call a slug or
511
00:45:19.420 --> 00:45:24.289
a like a Jimmy, that they
would just stick down the coins the coin
512
00:45:24.369 --> 00:45:30.130
slot and they would give themselves credit. So they would trigger the mechanism that
513
00:45:30.449 --> 00:45:35.130
thought coins were going in there.
So it give them a bunch of credits.
514
00:45:35.250 --> 00:45:38.920
Then they would hit the cash out
and all those coins would come out,
515
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:46.280
but the machine. So my surveillance
person at the time calls me down
516
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:52.150
to this fans room to check it
out and I looked, you know,
517
00:45:52.269 --> 00:46:00.869
and definitely at that's what was going
on. We're cheating. So my I
518
00:46:00.989 --> 00:46:07.059
call my like the vice president of
gaming for all the sun crews, and
519
00:46:07.300 --> 00:46:08.820
I tell him what's going on.
He's like, well know, you got
520
00:46:08.940 --> 00:46:13.739
to get the you got to get
the device that they're using the cheat with.
521
00:46:15.340 --> 00:46:21.409
So as were as I'm talking to
him, the surveillance kind of talking
522
00:46:21.489 --> 00:46:24.489
to security and the security guard kind
of spooks them. It goes by the
523
00:46:24.570 --> 00:46:30.969
machines and spools. So they grab
their buckets of coins and they go to
524
00:46:31.090 --> 00:46:38.280
the the catch can share to catch
him out. So immediately called the moment
525
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:43.280
vice president is like, do not
cash him out, don't don't cash him
526
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:45.559
out. So I go out there, I tell him I'm sorry, we
527
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:50.349
can't catch you out right now.
We just have to review a few things
528
00:46:50.670 --> 00:46:57.150
and you know we'll be right with
you. So we try to get you,
529
00:46:57.269 --> 00:47:00.150
try to get up with them rinks
out there. Fo Yeah, so
530
00:47:00.309 --> 00:47:06.539
they go. You know, now
they've split up to so they've separated.
531
00:47:06.659 --> 00:47:09.380
Now the two ladies are together and
the guy kind of goes off into the
532
00:47:09.619 --> 00:47:13.619
we had like a lounge with a
bar and everything in the back of the
533
00:47:13.699 --> 00:47:15.329
boat. They got nowhere to go. You know, it's not like a
534
00:47:15.409 --> 00:47:17.610
land base, because you know where
they could just went out the door.
535
00:47:19.210 --> 00:47:22.809
They got nowhere to go around mid
the ocean. So we got them trap.
536
00:47:23.170 --> 00:47:29.969
So they go, you know,
we tell we tell the security not
537
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:35.519
to sight of them. They go
into the bathroom and this is where we
538
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:44.630
think they they got rid of the
Jimmy that they were using. But I
539
00:47:45.150 --> 00:47:50.630
I tell the vice president. So
I'm calling them back and forth and he's
540
00:47:50.670 --> 00:47:52.949
like you got to get that stuff. He's like you got to get them
541
00:47:52.949 --> 00:47:58.780
alone and get get that. I'm
like all right, so I grab a
542
00:47:58.820 --> 00:48:01.500
couple security guards. We find them. Now they're sitting at a table together
543
00:48:01.579 --> 00:48:08.539
and allowunge area and I go to
the security. I'm like come with me.
544
00:48:09.539 --> 00:48:13.730
I go up to the guy,
said listen, I go, can
545
00:48:13.809 --> 00:48:20.289
we have a word with you?
And he's like well, yeah, what
546
00:48:20.409 --> 00:48:22.489
do you want? I go,
well, no, we'd like to have
547
00:48:22.690 --> 00:48:27.280
word with you in private. He's
like, I'm not going anywhere. I
548
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:32.000
got okay. So I go out, I call the vice president, like
549
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:37.480
listen, and like they get the
guy won't go anywhere. He's like refusing
550
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:42.750
it to move, to go talk
to somewhere. He's like listen, the
551
00:48:42.829 --> 00:48:47.949
vice president. He's old school,
old school tag right, old school olds.
552
00:48:50.070 --> 00:48:53.349
I mean he would think he's right
out of like good fellows or something.
553
00:48:54.389 --> 00:48:58.260
He's a listen. He goes,
I don't care what you have to
554
00:48:58.380 --> 00:49:05.260
do. He's like Hadam get them. So I'm like all right. So
555
00:49:05.420 --> 00:49:07.980
now I'm like okay. Actually,
the survey onnce girl, because I was
556
00:49:08.019 --> 00:49:12.530
in the surveance room. I was
talking to him. She's like what do
557
00:49:12.570 --> 00:49:17.329
you say to you? I'm like
I go turn off the cameras. I've
558
00:49:17.329 --> 00:49:21.730
gotta go ahead. She's like,
well, I'M gonna get I go.
559
00:49:21.849 --> 00:49:25.320
Yeah, turn off the cameras to
the back there. She's like really like
560
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:31.840
that. So I go and grab
a couple four guys now plus the security,
561
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:37.909
and I go back there and I
lean into him, I said I
562
00:49:37.989 --> 00:49:44.630
put my hand on his neck and
said listen. I'm like, we need
563
00:49:44.710 --> 00:49:49.349
to talk to you over there.
He's like, I already told you I'm
564
00:49:49.349 --> 00:49:54.539
not going anywhere. I said,
I'm not asking anymore. I go he's
565
00:49:54.579 --> 00:49:59.380
like, where do we got to
go? It sounds like a line that
566
00:49:59.420 --> 00:50:04.420
would be out of good post.
I'm not asking anything. Like where do
567
00:50:04.460 --> 00:50:09.090
we gotta go? I'm like just
over there, beyond those doors. So
568
00:50:09.250 --> 00:50:14.289
I get them. We walks over
there with us. So we get them,
569
00:50:14.329 --> 00:50:17.010
we close the doors and, you
know, we ask him further stuff.
570
00:50:19.090 --> 00:50:22.559
We go looking to the purses and
everything and we find some some paraphernalia,
571
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:25.719
which is like but they called slug
and it's on the end of a
572
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:30.480
strain like us like that he'll floss
or whatever, and that's what they would
573
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:35.320
trigger with. That wasn't the exact
thing that we're using at the time when
574
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:38.070
we call them, but it's a
you know, it's a chief device evidence.
575
00:50:38.150 --> 00:50:44.110
Yeah, yeah, so we get
on. We you know, we
576
00:50:44.230 --> 00:50:49.829
put a week the so the out
there. It's maritime law, right.
577
00:50:50.179 --> 00:50:55.619
So pretty much the captain is like
the sheriff. Yeah, the authority.
578
00:50:57.500 --> 00:51:00.860
So I tell the captain. He
was king freaked out because we hadn't told
579
00:51:00.019 --> 00:51:04.179
what was going on for, as
I said, listen, just arrest them
580
00:51:04.530 --> 00:51:07.730
for now and then we'll turn them
in when we get back. And so
581
00:51:07.809 --> 00:51:14.929
they threw him in handcuffs. We
coup them in this interior room that we
582
00:51:15.050 --> 00:51:22.599
have had that could keep them alone
at sometimes we put people there that got
583
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.960
bulligerent or drunk or whatever. That's
kind of weird. Would hold people.
584
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:34.429
It's like our little jail was just
a rude. So we had a we
585
00:51:34.550 --> 00:51:40.630
had a another guy that was general
manager. He was considered and he didn't
586
00:51:40.670 --> 00:51:45.789
really he didn't know anything about gaming. He came from like the hotel industry
587
00:51:45.829 --> 00:51:50.780
or something right, or restaurant,
and so he and know any think about
588
00:51:50.900 --> 00:51:55.179
game and he was just kind of
supposed to be like like an in between
589
00:51:55.699 --> 00:52:04.250
like departments, you know. So
he was we're trying to coordinate that when
590
00:52:04.289 --> 00:52:07.409
we got back to the docks,
that the police are waiting there. So
591
00:52:08.489 --> 00:52:13.449
we wanted to get them off before, you know, the park and all
592
00:52:13.530 --> 00:52:19.400
the rest of the people. So
I told them I put him in charge
593
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:22.960
of it, this general manager.
I said listen, make sure we get
594
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:28.039
them off first and then the rest
of the patrons can go off. Well,
595
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:30.869
one of the things that used to
do when the benefits for our VIPs
596
00:52:31.469 --> 00:52:37.469
at the time was we would let
them disembark before the general population. The
597
00:52:37.510 --> 00:52:42.590
rest of the people would go off. So he's in the back and he's
598
00:52:42.710 --> 00:52:52.300
trying to hold off the VIPs to
get these guys off first. Well,
599
00:52:52.380 --> 00:52:59.530
he's all stressed out. So one
of the VIPs is like, you know,
600
00:52:59.610 --> 00:53:01.809
let us off the Foh, you
know, listen that come on,
601
00:53:02.130 --> 00:53:10.090
what to ex take US along.
Blahbah Rasin them. And so he gets
602
00:53:10.130 --> 00:53:15.400
he's he's a British guy. You
know here that you know the whole British
603
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:20.079
leg attitude. So he's tell him
to calm down. The guys like,
604
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:24.960
you know, few is one of
our biggest players. And this general managers
605
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:32.190
says you you know, back to
him. And anyways, we get them
606
00:53:32.230 --> 00:53:37.469
off. I'm outside with the police
making a statement, tell them what happened
607
00:53:38.429 --> 00:53:42.699
and doing the statements and I have
one of my managers come over and he's
608
00:53:42.699 --> 00:53:46.699
like hey, we have a problem. You know so and so the drunk
609
00:53:46.739 --> 00:53:54.460
manager he goes told one of the
VIPs you know, Fu and this that,
610
00:53:55.409 --> 00:54:00.849
and the players pissed off and wants
to talk to you. Like man,
611
00:54:01.250 --> 00:54:04.409
I'm like, God, tell you, guys got it another problem.
612
00:54:05.210 --> 00:54:08.530
Yeah, like man, what a
day, right. So I'm like great.
613
00:54:08.570 --> 00:54:10.920
So I go talk to the Claire. I told the COP on,
614
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:14.559
like, you know, give me
a minute. So I go over and
615
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:16.880
talk to the player at comment down. He tells me what happened. So
616
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:22.599
I call the Vice President I've been
talking to all day as a listen.
617
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:28.269
I got this is what happened.
You know, I trying to get the
618
00:54:28.349 --> 00:54:34.269
statement and stuff, and so he's
like go take his badge. That's like
619
00:54:34.429 --> 00:54:39.579
what he's like. Get his badge. He's done. Thank you, he's
620
00:54:39.659 --> 00:54:45.500
done. I was like, I
even do that, like I thought as
621
00:54:45.579 --> 00:54:50.820
like another he's like another manager,
you know, he's I guess he's like
622
00:54:51.739 --> 00:54:53.530
acting on my behalf. He's like
go take his badge and tell him go
623
00:54:53.650 --> 00:54:58.050
on fired. On the spot.
Yeah, on the spot. So I
624
00:54:59.250 --> 00:55:04.610
had to go over there and I
told listen, you know, I said,
625
00:55:04.650 --> 00:55:08.800
I know it's saying easy. Then
I'm like, but you gotta go
626
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:16.480
and use your bad and he's like
he knew he's screwed up. And so
627
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:22.230
he gave it to me left.
I want completed my deposition the cops,
628
00:55:22.750 --> 00:55:28.590
and all this end up being for
nothing because eight months later they end up
629
00:55:28.630 --> 00:55:32.389
dropping the charges and nothing to happen
with these people. They got. Like.
630
00:55:32.510 --> 00:55:36.980
What do you think? What do
you think about people who try that?
631
00:55:37.219 --> 00:55:42.619
I mean, I'm thinking one there, one idiotic for trying, especially
632
00:55:42.659 --> 00:55:45.980
if you're in a casino where people
are a little bit old school, yeah,
633
00:55:46.340 --> 00:55:52.809
but but also pretty brave. It
takes a lot of a lot of
634
00:55:52.889 --> 00:55:59.809
gumption. Yeah, gumption going to
to pull something off like that. A
635
00:55:59.929 --> 00:56:05.559
lot of times what you'll see is
simple things like somebody, when the deal
636
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:07.480
is not looking if they got to
losing hand, they'll be sitting on a
637
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:12.159
side and like pull their money back, you know, or part of their
638
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:15.400
back back. You know, you'll
see stuff like that. That's just like
639
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:20.670
you're you know, they're not trained
cheaters, necessarily, not not drinking too
640
00:56:20.710 --> 00:56:23.190
much about it. And Yeah,
there are some like slight of hand guys
641
00:56:23.230 --> 00:56:29.349
out there. They're really good at
it. I caught the guy in a
642
00:56:29.429 --> 00:56:36.980
poker game that was what's keeping the
NACE. That basically clean a suffouta yeah,
643
00:56:37.860 --> 00:56:42.860
wouldn't the cards well and he was. He was hiding the nice out
644
00:56:42.900 --> 00:56:46.730
of the deck. And in poker, you know, there they count down
645
00:56:46.769 --> 00:56:51.889
the cards everything, like few hands, but he would know the pattern when
646
00:56:51.889 --> 00:56:54.130
they were going to count them and
then he would reintroduce the Ason to the
647
00:56:54.530 --> 00:56:58.769
into the deck or make the death
complete, you know, by like.
648
00:56:59.530 --> 00:57:01.440
That's why you're not supposed to mock
your cards, like throw them into the
649
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:07.079
monk is, because you could be
more than two cards are on holding.
650
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:12.960
So everything in the casino that they
do, all the procedures, are for
651
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:20.550
a reason, you know, they
they're to prevent where cheets or catch them
652
00:57:22.789 --> 00:57:29.630
other things. Let's see, a
lot of times it's just dealing with with
653
00:57:30.019 --> 00:57:35.460
people have become bullagern, you know, their bathrombserves or their their intoxicated,
654
00:57:35.619 --> 00:57:42.179
the drinking and your how did you
transition from that? Because, well,
655
00:57:42.260 --> 00:57:45.809
you said it was a couple of
years the New York introduced alcohol, but
656
00:57:46.170 --> 00:57:51.369
I mean, I can see one
there's a big difference in in the money
657
00:57:51.409 --> 00:57:55.929
they're making. There's a huge turnover
when alcohol is introduced. But how did
658
00:57:55.969 --> 00:58:00.599
you find the personnel, like the
difference between a couple of years that you
659
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:04.800
did? Was it a few years
with no alcohol and then with alcohol,
660
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:07.239
and then going down to Florida,
where seemingly people are a little bit more
661
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:13.429
lively down there. Yeah, they
were definitely the more lively. I mean
662
00:58:13.510 --> 00:58:17.869
I had I had dealers. Like
I said, it was a different atmosphere.
663
00:58:17.989 --> 00:58:22.789
I had them like on the boat, you know, sneaking alcohol on
664
00:58:22.909 --> 00:58:27.659
their breaks and stuff like that.
One time I caught a dealer on a
665
00:58:27.780 --> 00:58:32.019
crap table. I think was New
Year's Eve, and one of the waitresses
666
00:58:32.179 --> 00:58:37.739
brought him a bottle of champagne and
he's over there on the game thinking a
667
00:58:37.820 --> 00:58:45.530
bottle of champagne right out of the
bottle, like Jeez. But at one
668
00:58:45.650 --> 00:58:49.610
point even they allowed us to have
a drink on the way back, like
669
00:58:49.769 --> 00:58:52.210
at the end of night and the
night cruise. They allowed us to have
670
00:58:52.369 --> 00:58:59.400
a drink, the free drink on
the way back. But yeah, you
671
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:02.199
know, now you kind of throw
a whole different dynamic in there. Right,
672
00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:07.679
we're people just be pissed off sober
up in New York when there's no
673
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:14.550
call. Now they're pissed off and
drunk from losing. So they got a
674
00:59:14.590 --> 00:59:22.150
lot of confrontations. I learned real
quick how to diffuse the situation. You
675
00:59:22.230 --> 00:59:27.579
know, I'm not like a little
lady either. So you know I'm able
676
00:59:27.619 --> 00:59:34.219
to pretty much. I put out
are out pretty pretty quick. You know,
677
00:59:34.500 --> 00:59:42.489
the Authority personality. You know,
that's how I am. That's why
678
00:59:42.489 --> 00:59:46.329
I you know, I had a
cop to meet her right that I always
679
00:59:46.329 --> 00:59:54.840
wanted to be. So it's not
as difficult for me to stake my authority,
680
00:59:55.280 --> 00:60:00.599
although, like I mean, I've
got hit before. You know,
681
00:60:00.840 --> 00:60:05.840
I've been hit at my job trying
to break up with you. You know,
682
00:60:05.920 --> 00:60:08.389
I've had to tackle people, put
them on the ground. I've had
683
00:60:08.469 --> 00:60:13.630
a you know, put them in
like a hole, like an arm bar
684
00:60:13.710 --> 00:60:17.190
or whatever, and put carry him
off the boat because they refuse to leave.
685
00:60:20.750 --> 00:60:22.980
One point, that's like I was
doing every job because, like,
686
00:60:23.380 --> 00:60:29.539
we laid off, like the security. So I was doing everything. So
687
00:60:29.659 --> 00:60:35.579
you did become a trooper. Yeah, kind of like The Times. I
688
00:60:35.769 --> 00:60:38.570
was doing a lot more like the
scope of my job and we used to
689
00:60:38.650 --> 00:60:46.610
count money, we used to do
a lot then. How long did you
690
00:60:46.690 --> 00:60:52.519
stay on the boat, man?
I stayed a while. They made a
691
00:60:52.639 --> 00:60:59.000
they made a movie about what happened
my boat, what happened my my boss,
692
00:60:59.239 --> 00:61:01.880
my boss, the owner of the
boat, end up getting get and
693
00:61:02.000 --> 00:61:10.550
whacked and there's a movie called Casino
Jack Starring Kevin Spacey. That's all about
694
00:61:10.789 --> 00:61:19.179
the whole time on your boat.
I was on yeah, the the flagship
695
00:61:19.260 --> 00:61:25.500
boat, the main boat, and
what happened was there's a whole I mean
696
00:61:25.579 --> 00:61:32.690
there is a senator representative involved that
kind of forced the sale. I might
697
00:61:32.809 --> 00:61:37.050
have like this movie. Could write
it down. Casino deck is actually really
698
00:61:37.090 --> 00:61:43.409
good movie. I think I watched
them. Yeah, I do, I
699
00:61:43.489 --> 00:61:51.440
think so. It's a few years
old. But what happened was so the
700
00:61:51.599 --> 00:62:04.670
representative, I think from Ohio.
He looked into some laws that a non
701
00:62:04.710 --> 00:62:13.869
natural born citizen could not own a
US ship. So the US born ship
702
00:62:14.550 --> 00:62:17.739
that if you were non natural I
citizen, you weren't able to own it.
703
00:62:19.059 --> 00:62:22.980
My owner, gusts, was Greek. It is from Greece. He
704
00:62:23.099 --> 00:62:30.289
actually opened Miami subs. That was
his first company. Did this senator have
705
00:62:30.769 --> 00:62:32.449
a dog in the race? was
are a reason for him to try to
706
00:62:32.489 --> 00:62:38.809
get yeah, so now there's him. So there's a guy called Jack Abermath
707
00:62:39.650 --> 00:62:49.920
every month and another guy who was
will Jack Averon. Is the it was
708
00:62:50.000 --> 00:62:55.880
a what do you call it?
The lobbyist. So he was a lot
709
00:62:57.159 --> 00:63:05.510
is m and there's this Adam Cadan, which was he owned like dial a
710
00:63:05.590 --> 00:63:10.150
mattress or something like that. Anyway, it was. It was a strong
711
00:63:10.190 --> 00:63:15.460
arm right. So they were going
to force the sale and this Adocada and
712
00:63:15.579 --> 00:63:21.340
was going to come in and buy
it for pennies on the dollar, right
713
00:63:21.579 --> 00:63:27.210
by a cheap. Well, they
said, okay, Hugh, can't this
714
00:63:27.250 --> 00:63:32.090
boat. You're gonna allow you to
sell it. Here's your buyer, this
715
00:63:32.250 --> 00:63:37.250
guy and can buy the whole thing
for like, I think it was a
716
00:63:37.250 --> 00:63:45.719
hundred hundred something, one hundred forty
million maybe. Well, the original transfer
717
00:63:46.480 --> 00:63:51.440
was supposed to be like seven million
dollars. I don't know, except of
718
00:63:51.480 --> 00:63:59.789
course. But they sent fake wire
transfer, bogus wire transfer, transferred all
719
00:63:59.789 --> 00:64:06.469
the boats into this guy's name team, all this crap and suit afterwards,
720
00:64:06.949 --> 00:64:14.659
where, while sitting like they went
to mediation, right. So there our
721
00:64:14.900 --> 00:64:19.139
main office was in Daniel Beach,
which is done by Miami, and a
722
00:64:19.179 --> 00:64:31.130
while in mediation they because he wasn't
getting paid, my owner. They got
723
00:64:31.210 --> 00:64:34.329
into an argument, you know,
he's like where's my money? Where's my
724
00:64:34.409 --> 00:64:44.400
money? And one thing led to
another and my owner grabbed the pen and
725
00:64:44.719 --> 00:64:53.190
stabbed this Adam. Could could stabbing
with the pen. It's next thing we
726
00:64:53.389 --> 00:64:58.269
know. You know, we hear
the news. What's going on? This
727
00:64:58.429 --> 00:65:02.309
guy had cadan shows up to the
art boat. He's got a bulletproof car.
728
00:65:03.550 --> 00:65:13.179
Answers are security guards and they're like
everything said this nat. Well,
729
00:65:15.780 --> 00:65:19.500
also, we start coming up short
on money. We're coming up short.
730
00:65:20.139 --> 00:65:26.570
They're telling us like literally, we
would have to go and pull money out
731
00:65:26.610 --> 00:65:31.449
of the slot machines in the middle
of the cruise just so we had money
732
00:65:31.530 --> 00:65:34.650
to pay out and give it to
the cashiers so they could pay out the
733
00:65:35.079 --> 00:65:41.519
people at the end of the cruise. It's freaking crazy. And then what
734
00:65:42.119 --> 00:65:44.760
was the reason for that? Or
is that just regular? Now? It's
735
00:65:44.760 --> 00:65:47.760
not regular. Normally they keep enough
money inside the cave. Well, what
736
00:65:47.960 --> 00:65:51.150
was the reason? He just didn't
have any money. was they were taken.
737
00:65:51.269 --> 00:65:56.949
They were there and Bezzlin. They're
taking their own money. They're still
738
00:65:57.070 --> 00:66:00.550
their own money. So they would
they would have. They had this day
739
00:66:00.630 --> 00:66:04.139
introduced this girl called, you know, Miss Sun Cruise, and she was
740
00:66:04.179 --> 00:66:08.699
like they said goody or something.
I do know what the relationship was,
741
00:66:08.780 --> 00:66:11.860
but anyway, we were going the
count room at the end of the night.
742
00:66:12.219 --> 00:66:15.500
Our normal thing was we would go
in, we lock ourselves in the
743
00:66:15.539 --> 00:66:20.329
room. We have money counting machines. We would count the money and we
744
00:66:20.409 --> 00:66:24.929
would figure out the wind loss for
the day and then we would give that
745
00:66:25.090 --> 00:66:30.530
money to the cage for the next
day of business, whatever, and then
746
00:66:30.570 --> 00:66:34.519
they would look at and whatever at
the end of the week. Well,
747
00:66:35.840 --> 00:66:41.400
this girl would come in. So
we're at the dock now, we're finishing
748
00:66:41.480 --> 00:66:45.840
up the count. She would come
into the count with a bag, fill
749
00:66:45.920 --> 00:66:49.110
it with the money, not,
you know, record on any of it
750
00:66:49.670 --> 00:66:55.510
and take it or like. You
know. This is when I got like
751
00:66:55.789 --> 00:67:00.070
super suspicious. I'm like, you
know, I know something, this is
752
00:67:00.190 --> 00:67:09.059
what's going on here. So after
a while with them fighting, going to
753
00:67:09.219 --> 00:67:14.340
mediations and stuff like that, the
next thing I hear is that her owner
754
00:67:14.780 --> 00:67:24.090
goes, was shot game land style
in Miami killed. Come to find out,
755
00:67:24.170 --> 00:67:28.610
now we know it was a Gabbin
no family of New York that was
756
00:67:28.650 --> 00:67:35.960
hired that shot kill them. Yeah, it's only watch this stuff on TV
757
00:67:36.199 --> 00:67:44.630
many yeah, I'm like living at
like man, I left New York because
758
00:67:44.670 --> 00:67:51.070
it is trouble there. I'm coming
down as I go to my boss and
759
00:67:51.389 --> 00:67:56.110
I talked to him. I said, listen, I'm like, you know,
760
00:67:56.269 --> 00:67:59.260
we see this stuff going on.
Can we be held accountable? Like
761
00:67:59.380 --> 00:68:02.139
can this come back on us?
He's like well, he's like, you
762
00:68:02.260 --> 00:68:05.980
know, he's like you're in account
room, you're seeing what they're doing.
763
00:68:06.820 --> 00:68:13.650
Like yeah, of course come back. Like well, you know, this
764
00:68:13.889 --> 00:68:19.489
is shortly after eleven to write.
So and I had some family affected up
765
00:68:19.529 --> 00:68:24.090
in New York. I'm like,
you know what, I'm like done with
766
00:68:24.210 --> 00:68:28.840
this. I'm like, I'M gonna
be a part of this. So I
767
00:68:28.960 --> 00:68:34.239
quit and I left. I went
back to New York for a while and
768
00:68:36.880 --> 00:68:41.630
I worked up there. Went to
another casino. Actually, when I first
769
00:68:41.670 --> 00:68:45.949
one up there, I got into
a contracting business with my buddy. Became
770
00:68:46.029 --> 00:68:53.109
partners. That didn't last very long, but they opened another casino, so
771
00:68:53.270 --> 00:68:57.739
I went up in the Agar Falls
New York. So I would open that
772
00:68:57.859 --> 00:69:05.539
casino as a pit manager and worked
there for like a year and a half.
773
00:69:06.340 --> 00:69:12.090
And it's too cold. Man,
is like Buffalo and thenar falls way
774
00:69:12.210 --> 00:69:16.289
too cold. I was my blooded
thinned out over the years. You kept
775
00:69:16.289 --> 00:69:23.170
your Hawaiian shirts in your in your
yeah, I remember too. Is like
776
00:69:23.369 --> 00:69:28.800
in February and March and I came
out to my car after a shift.
777
00:69:29.239 --> 00:69:32.039
You know, I worked nights,
so I was getting out thirty and war
778
00:69:32.119 --> 00:69:35.000
and I go out to my car
and I couldn't get it. It was
779
00:69:35.079 --> 00:69:39.550
like frozen. Proud. Yeah,
I'm like at that point, like for
780
00:69:39.710 --> 00:69:46.149
good this? Yeah, there are. You know. I went. I
781
00:69:46.270 --> 00:69:49.630
came back to Florida, I said, and at by that time I was
782
00:69:49.670 --> 00:69:57.100
a couple years later, after all
this stuff happened on the boats and you
783
00:69:57.260 --> 00:70:01.340
know the fam the spear, which
was the nephew of the original owner,
784
00:70:02.659 --> 00:70:11.609
they were able to recapture ownership of
the the bat again. So when I
785
00:70:11.689 --> 00:70:15.489
went back, you know, I
didn't want my old job, but I
786
00:70:15.569 --> 00:70:20.369
wanted a job. So I told
I went there. Now there is a
787
00:70:20.479 --> 00:70:27.960
new my guy, casino manager.
He had been fired or whag like in
788
00:70:28.079 --> 00:70:32.479
the middle of this whole transition by
the other guys. So they brought in
789
00:70:32.600 --> 00:70:40.590
a new guy and the new guy
didn't really want me back on the boat
790
00:70:40.670 --> 00:70:43.869
because of my position, you know, at the high position. I'm like,
791
00:70:43.949 --> 00:70:45.829
listen, I just I'll deal,
I don't care, you know,
792
00:70:45.869 --> 00:70:49.699
I'll come in, I'll deal guards. He's like no, I think it's
793
00:70:49.779 --> 00:70:59.500
conflict of interest. Wow, so
my buddy made a suggestion because, well,
794
00:70:59.619 --> 00:71:01.979
what if he goes to deals poker, because poker is kind separate from
795
00:71:02.020 --> 00:71:05.890
like the casino m and he's like, well, I guess I would have
796
00:71:05.930 --> 00:71:12.050
a problem that. So I made
a phone call to spirow, the nephew.
797
00:71:13.170 --> 00:71:15.569
Listen, you know, I'm back. I'd like to come work for
798
00:71:15.649 --> 00:71:17.489
you again. It's like, yeah, whatever you want. Where are you
799
00:71:17.569 --> 00:71:24.199
want? Come on. So and
at the time poker was blowing up right.
800
00:71:24.319 --> 00:71:26.600
This was the most money I ever
made. What a move this was,
801
00:71:26.960 --> 00:71:30.319
because this was like when Chris moneymaker
win the world series of poker,
802
00:71:30.000 --> 00:71:35.350
because I seeking and everything's like everybody's
a poker player now. So things where
803
00:71:35.350 --> 00:71:39.430
they think they think they are anyway, yeah, they think they are.
804
00:71:39.869 --> 00:71:47.779
So things are flying eye and in
those four years, two of the years
805
00:71:47.819 --> 00:71:55.739
I meet over six figures just dealing
poker, and the only reason I did
806
00:71:55.939 --> 00:72:00.180
make it six figures other times was
because I was on pace for it,
807
00:72:00.300 --> 00:72:03.090
but I had switched jobs. So
at that time, at the end of
808
00:72:03.170 --> 00:72:12.369
that last year, the dynamics here
in Florida, it shifted, whereas the
809
00:72:12.609 --> 00:72:16.840
dog tracks and stuff start off from
poker, and at first it was okay
810
00:72:16.880 --> 00:72:20.319
because they could only do like hundred
dollar buy hands and do want to poker.
811
00:72:20.640 --> 00:72:24.720
We could do whatever we wanted,
so we would get the good games.
812
00:72:25.560 --> 00:72:31.550
But then things shifted and they were
allowed to go higher limits the Casino.
813
00:72:32.630 --> 00:72:39.909
The hard rocks started offering higher them
in poker and everything. So now,
814
00:72:39.989 --> 00:72:44.420
as a poker player they're not limited
to a threehour for cruise to play
815
00:72:44.500 --> 00:72:47.979
poker and they can go play and
leave whenever they want for hours and then.
816
00:72:49.380 --> 00:72:53.659
So we lost a lot of people, but I made we manage for
817
00:72:53.699 --> 00:72:58.060
a little some time. Oh,
by that time too, I had already
818
00:72:58.100 --> 00:73:04.130
I became assistant poker room manager also
and the other so I was getting manager
819
00:73:04.289 --> 00:73:13.960
pay and and tips. So I
saw the right down the wall, like
820
00:73:14.479 --> 00:73:18.640
this isn't this is like bad for
our business. So diluted out. Yeah,
821
00:73:18.920 --> 00:73:24.960
yeah, so the hard rock was
open and table games and that's I
822
00:73:25.079 --> 00:73:30.350
decided. I came over to Tampa
to work at the hard rock. They
823
00:73:30.470 --> 00:73:40.390
went there. So I've opened six
casinos over over my time, because I
824
00:73:40.470 --> 00:73:46.220
opened another one in New York more
recently. Two thousand and seventeen. It
825
00:73:46.340 --> 00:73:53.859
Schenectady. So I went up to
New York for a year again. I
826
00:73:53.979 --> 00:73:59.569
went from a dealer Tampa all the
way to pit manager before I had left
827
00:73:59.649 --> 00:74:10.079
in two thousand and sixteen and I
left because my father got sick, got
828
00:74:10.159 --> 00:74:15.319
hill. So I left that job, went to New York. While I
829
00:74:15.439 --> 00:74:18.680
was up there they're opening another casino, so I went open to work there
830
00:74:18.760 --> 00:74:29.390
for seven months and then again Florida
is calling me and I came back down
831
00:74:30.989 --> 00:74:33.829
and wow, you know, I
wasn't going to come down and get it
832
00:74:33.949 --> 00:74:39.739
casino business. So as I was
like buying and selling cars. My Buddy
833
00:74:39.779 --> 00:74:45.659
owns a dealership, so he put
me on the as a buyer, you
834
00:74:45.739 --> 00:74:47.260
know, so I could go to
you make it. Did you make a
835
00:74:47.979 --> 00:74:51.739
firm decision that you weren't going to
get into casinos anymore? At this point?
836
00:74:51.779 --> 00:74:57.010
I thought I was done with casinos
when I left in two thousand and
837
00:74:57.010 --> 00:75:01.409
sixteen. This is the casinos.
It's like the mob and it's like once
838
00:75:01.489 --> 00:75:05.250
your finger out, they pull you
back in. It's like, you know,
839
00:75:05.409 --> 00:75:12.960
because it's it's a fun business and
it's treated me well. You know,
840
00:75:13.039 --> 00:75:17.479
it's a it's a different sometimes.
You know it's a drag. You
841
00:75:17.560 --> 00:75:23.189
know it can be, but it's
really what you make it. You know,
842
00:75:25.270 --> 00:75:29.069
it is a lot. You know
it's living in the fasting right.
843
00:75:29.710 --> 00:75:34.390
There's a lot of there's a lot
of drinking, you know, partly sex,
844
00:75:34.430 --> 00:75:38.420
drodes and rock and roll. You
know, it's just that kind of
845
00:75:38.460 --> 00:75:43.939
atmosphere all the time. So you've
become desensitized a little to it, right,
846
00:75:44.739 --> 00:75:48.779
just as your your daily thing was
surrounded by it all the time and
847
00:75:48.939 --> 00:75:55.489
you hardly notice it, right,
you know. So I you know,
848
00:75:55.569 --> 00:75:58.449
I thought I was out. I
thought I was getting out a couple times.
849
00:76:00.689 --> 00:76:03.920
When that opportunity of New York came
about. You know, I went
850
00:76:04.000 --> 00:76:09.119
there as as as a manager is
a good manager help, you know,
851
00:76:09.279 --> 00:76:12.720
open it up and get things going
to I wasn't going to be there a
852
00:76:12.800 --> 00:76:18.310
long time and I had friends that
we're going to be there again, people
853
00:76:18.390 --> 00:76:23.670
that I've worked with and haven't worked
with for like ten years and now I'm
854
00:76:23.710 --> 00:76:27.390
working with them again. I think
there's one guy I had worked with for
855
00:76:27.550 --> 00:76:34.300
like twenty years and we're back up. But yeah, so my intent was
856
00:76:35.699 --> 00:76:41.579
to come down by and sell cars, but I was kind of I had
857
00:76:41.619 --> 00:76:47.210
a plan B. So I actually
started taking the real estate course online while
858
00:76:47.210 --> 00:76:53.050
I was in New York for Florida, just as kind of like a backup
859
00:76:53.489 --> 00:76:58.050
and the reason, you know,
I chose real estate. Well, first,
860
00:76:58.130 --> 00:77:00.090
you know, I thought it was
like, you know, this is
861
00:77:00.170 --> 00:77:05.439
easy, like how easy can this
be? Some houses? Yeah, I
862
00:77:05.600 --> 00:77:11.079
had like a different, you know, perception of real estate that I do
863
00:77:11.279 --> 00:77:15.560
now. You know, I didn't
really, and I think a lot of
864
00:77:15.680 --> 00:77:20.310
people don't respect what what goes into
it, because it's a lot harder than
865
00:77:21.189 --> 00:77:27.510
you think. So to be to
be a plan B. Yeah, there's
866
00:77:27.630 --> 00:77:32.899
there's better options. You know that
you can make a plan B. I
867
00:77:34.380 --> 00:77:39.699
I got stuck with a lot of
cars. So I had like six cars
868
00:77:39.739 --> 00:77:44.260
at one point that just weren't you
know, I wasn't turning them quick enough.
869
00:77:44.770 --> 00:77:47.329
So if you're not you know,
if you're not flipping them quick enough,
870
00:77:47.329 --> 00:77:50.529
you're not making any money. You
know, you just got that inventory
871
00:77:50.609 --> 00:77:57.090
or sitting down. So I'm sitting
on, you know, thirtyzero inventory and
872
00:77:57.250 --> 00:78:00.119
I'm not moving. I'm not making
money, no money in, no cash
873
00:78:00.159 --> 00:78:03.359
flow. So I end up I
got rid of them, I end up
874
00:78:03.359 --> 00:78:08.279
selling them all. I said that. You know, I started even before
875
00:78:08.279 --> 00:78:12.159
I got rid of them all.
I started actually practice in the real estate
876
00:78:13.750 --> 00:78:15.029
and there really one of the reasons
I chose real estate. Is when I
877
00:78:15.069 --> 00:78:19.510
left Florida in two thousand and sixteen. I sold my home and I had
878
00:78:20.630 --> 00:78:26.229
two different experiences. You know.
We had gone with a realtor that,
879
00:78:27.500 --> 00:78:33.739
you know, my wife's friend referred
to us, and it was terrible experience,
880
00:78:34.420 --> 00:78:39.140
just bad, not the pleasant.
Yeah, it wasn't pleasant. It
881
00:78:39.340 --> 00:78:47.729
wasn't a good, good experience.
So we end up firing her and I
882
00:78:47.850 --> 00:78:50.369
said I'm going to pick a guy, you know, and I did a
883
00:78:50.369 --> 00:78:54.210
little research and found it. I
thought was a really good guy. He
884
00:78:54.329 --> 00:78:58.039
came man, what a difference it
was night and day. Like this guy
885
00:78:58.159 --> 00:79:00.760
was really good and it kind of
like at the time I remember saying,
886
00:79:00.880 --> 00:79:05.640
man, I can do you know, I I'd like to do that,
887
00:79:05.840 --> 00:79:10.869
you know, especially be good at
it. You know, learn from being
888
00:79:11.029 --> 00:79:15.430
having a bad experience and seeing the
difference in him good experience. So it
889
00:79:15.550 --> 00:79:21.710
kind of sat in the back of
mind at the time. So I came
890
00:79:21.789 --> 00:79:27.500
back and then I started. So
I was halfheartedly in the beginning of the
891
00:79:27.539 --> 00:79:36.979
real estate doing that, but also
still selling the cars. So it wasn't
892
00:79:38.340 --> 00:79:41.130
full time. You know, I
didn't jump. So you're you mentioned you're
893
00:79:41.170 --> 00:79:46.369
married at this time at this point. Yeah, so, so what is
894
00:79:46.409 --> 00:79:49.850
your wife. Think about you jumping
from here to there and doing this and
895
00:79:49.970 --> 00:79:56.880
that. I have a wife that
doesn't look yeah, well, I considering.
896
00:79:57.039 --> 00:80:00.239
Like you know, I moved all
over the you know, over the
897
00:80:00.359 --> 00:80:04.880
country, go a few times,
right, so, Florida, the back
898
00:80:04.960 --> 00:80:10.069
to New York, Florida, back, going from this job at this job
899
00:80:10.510 --> 00:80:19.510
as close to that one. You
know, woman by nature are very home
900
00:80:19.550 --> 00:80:21.500
many. Second, I need a
pen on it to right this day and
901
00:80:21.579 --> 00:80:29.060
need stability. Right, yeah,
yeah, they their Nestor's right, they're
902
00:80:29.140 --> 00:80:32.779
nesting. It's just what they want. They want stability, they want that
903
00:80:33.020 --> 00:80:39.529
one house and grow up, you
know, raise the kids and stuff.
904
00:80:40.449 --> 00:80:44.210
Me, I'm more like, you
know, this is what I got to
905
00:80:44.210 --> 00:80:47.850
do, I gotta go, and
that's literally like how I'll make a decision.
906
00:80:47.970 --> 00:80:55.479
You know, just do it,
you know. So, yeah,
907
00:80:55.840 --> 00:81:01.159
we've had our battles about that,
but it's been a cassine on. Business
908
00:81:01.239 --> 00:81:05.470
was good to me. You know, I've that like I can't tell you
909
00:81:05.510 --> 00:81:13.949
how many celebrities, athletes. You
know, I've dealt to the number one
910
00:81:14.109 --> 00:81:19.340
athlete and the greatest player of all
time, Michael Jordan. You know,
911
00:81:19.579 --> 00:81:25.859
I still I was gifted something from
Michael Jordan that I still have today.
912
00:81:29.699 --> 00:81:31.739
I said, imagine that, Eg, that would be nice. Yeah,
913
00:81:33.529 --> 00:81:43.170
I have several that I've just has
said down hit conversations with sometimes. You
914
00:81:43.250 --> 00:81:45.449
know, I've Carrie Comic Jr.
I've met a couple times. I met
915
00:81:45.489 --> 00:81:50.079
him. You must you must have
have some good conversations. Like people are.
916
00:81:50.239 --> 00:81:56.960
I would say I've played my well, probably not a lot of poker,
917
00:81:57.079 --> 00:82:00.159
and I guess you know, but
I'm fair share that you have people
918
00:82:00.279 --> 00:82:04.350
that are on either the best of
times the worst of times, and as
919
00:82:04.390 --> 00:82:10.789
a dealer in particular, you may
find you have some good, good chats
920
00:82:11.069 --> 00:82:14.350
with some of these people and get
to know them rather well. Is that
921
00:82:14.350 --> 00:82:20.420
accurate? Good chances dealer is even
a supervisor and as a manager, as
922
00:82:20.460 --> 00:82:24.220
a manager like on the boat,
the good thing was, you know,
923
00:82:25.659 --> 00:82:28.220
I could go. I was all
over the boat, so I could go.
924
00:82:28.340 --> 00:82:31.489
I wasn't stuck to like one place. So, for instance, James
925
00:82:31.529 --> 00:82:36.609
Woods came on and he was visiting
his brother and his mother lived like in
926
00:82:36.689 --> 00:82:43.890
Melbourne for it. So it was
right after Friday or any given Sunday,
927
00:82:44.399 --> 00:82:50.760
which was the coach and so I
said Hey, let's let's talk. So
928
00:82:50.880 --> 00:82:55.479
we went and I got him a
drink and I grab the coffee and we
929
00:82:55.560 --> 00:83:00.189
went and said in the cafe and
and and talk like forty five minutes just
930
00:83:00.310 --> 00:83:04.989
at regular conversation. It is things
like that. With Michael Jordan, I
931
00:83:05.189 --> 00:83:09.710
was dealing to you know, I
was there for two days dealing to him,
932
00:83:11.149 --> 00:83:15.500
you know, and at first,
you know, it's like kind of
933
00:83:15.579 --> 00:83:20.500
standoffish, like he was just,
you know, all business. But you
934
00:83:20.579 --> 00:83:25.140
know, I inched my way and
kind of like a you know, like
935
00:83:25.300 --> 00:83:28.729
a puppy you don't want, does
you know? I just kind of into
936
00:83:28.850 --> 00:83:32.810
to marry and he eventually, you
know, he kind of you know,
937
00:83:32.930 --> 00:83:39.409
he got the comfortable with me,
you know, about most of the time,
938
00:83:39.529 --> 00:83:44.439
and initially Charles Oakley was with them. I was I was talking within
939
00:83:45.039 --> 00:83:55.039
joking and stuff like that. So
and it wasn't until Michael Jordan he played
940
00:83:55.079 --> 00:84:00.909
very by the book, like Perfect
Black Jack, and it came down to
941
00:84:00.029 --> 00:84:04.430
a point where, and by the
way, he smokes cars like like he's
942
00:84:04.510 --> 00:84:09.109
like a Chu. He's like constantly
six cars and he sitting are on his
943
00:84:09.149 --> 00:84:12.899
phone. He's like lean back in
his chair and he's just kind of one
944
00:84:13.020 --> 00:84:19.539
hand given signals. There's a situation
where I had a two up showing and
945
00:84:19.739 --> 00:84:26.970
he had a fourteen and he tried
hitting it. I stopped because now I
946
00:84:27.090 --> 00:84:30.369
know, I've been dealing with them
for like three knows. Yeah, I
947
00:84:30.529 --> 00:84:33.810
know how he plays. He plays
perfect like Jack. So I got to
948
00:84:33.850 --> 00:84:39.560
be sure and he's like points even
harder at it. He's not really paying
949
00:84:39.600 --> 00:84:42.880
attention. He's like it's phone.
He's like. So, I go,
950
00:84:44.760 --> 00:84:48.760
are you sure? He's so?
How he like looks and he sees that
951
00:84:49.119 --> 00:84:54.149
and he looks at my car goes
boy, he's like this is starts waving
952
00:84:54.229 --> 00:85:00.510
it off. You know, I
practically spits the cigar out. Oh so,
953
00:85:00.909 --> 00:85:03.310
that's I thought. So, anyway, he wins the hand. He
954
00:85:03.390 --> 00:85:09.380
had a lot of money up there. He wins and and he's like thinking
955
00:85:09.539 --> 00:85:12.539
me over and over. Think,
PROBB, think you. Thank you,
956
00:85:13.460 --> 00:85:18.220
thank you so much, and all
right. So now he starts engaging and
957
00:85:18.380 --> 00:85:25.970
talking to me and we start talking
about you know, like I knew he
958
00:85:26.090 --> 00:85:29.890
was in the motorcycles and stuff like
that. So we're starting to talk about
959
00:85:29.890 --> 00:85:34.920
that. We get to the end. What's funny is like he's known in
960
00:85:35.000 --> 00:85:41.760
the industry from the casino standpoint.
Is Not Tipper. You know, okay,
961
00:85:42.760 --> 00:85:45.279
and whatever. So, you know, I was in the back the
962
00:85:45.359 --> 00:85:53.149
House and the Dr and you know
I told people at the beginning the GAG
963
00:85:53.590 --> 00:85:57.029
coming out Michael Jordan stable and you
know, they're like, oh, yeah,
964
00:85:57.029 --> 00:85:59.430
I couldn't like it in a tip
from him. You know, wow,
965
00:86:00.229 --> 00:86:01.630
you know, like it's no big
deal. I'm like, Hey,
966
00:86:02.069 --> 00:86:04.340
I got pissed. I'm like,
I'M gonna I go watch, I'm going
967
00:86:04.380 --> 00:86:08.140
to get to it. Don't you
worry about it. They're like yeah,
968
00:86:08.539 --> 00:86:16.899
you don't tip anyway. So at
the end, you know it throughout the
969
00:86:17.020 --> 00:86:21.609
time he was there too. You
know, the Casino has like the calendar
970
00:86:21.689 --> 00:86:28.170
girls and stuff. They're coming in
sign and stuff for bringing him all these
971
00:86:28.289 --> 00:86:35.239
gifts, calendars what not. So
He's color en obvious leaves. He takes
972
00:86:35.880 --> 00:86:41.960
a couple thousand dollar chips and throws
them to me. He's thanks, Rob
973
00:86:42.199 --> 00:86:47.229
because is this is fun. He's
like he goes here and you want this
974
00:86:47.310 --> 00:86:53.029
stuff. Is like the stuff they've
been bringing them, and I was like
975
00:86:53.470 --> 00:86:56.149
yeah, I'll take it. I
go is that cool? I said that
976
00:86:56.229 --> 00:87:00.939
my manager. He's like on it. So I took it and then the
977
00:87:01.060 --> 00:87:05.699
next day I was dealing to him
to it goes so well for him like
978
00:87:05.859 --> 00:87:11.819
today. But yeah, he took
me and it's like, and it's still
979
00:87:12.579 --> 00:87:15.850
people talk about it. They're like
they go, I know, I know
980
00:87:15.970 --> 00:87:19.810
somebody he tipped. Yeah, especially
if he's never he doesn't really tip,
981
00:87:19.930 --> 00:87:25.170
and then he you're the guy.
Yeah, it was me. There's a
982
00:87:25.210 --> 00:87:29.289
guy there that talks about it.
He talks about all the time. Still
983
00:87:30.520 --> 00:87:35.199
like this is like my my ear
old moment. I've gone and like I
984
00:87:35.319 --> 00:87:43.560
dealt it for burlander when he was
dating, just when we first started dating.
985
00:87:44.039 --> 00:87:55.510
His wife now the supermodel. You're
asking the wrong guy because I've been
986
00:87:55.829 --> 00:88:00.779
so far removed living in Korea,
I try not to pay attention, but
987
00:88:00.819 --> 00:88:02.779
I know the names when I hear
them. Yeah, well, you know,
988
00:88:02.859 --> 00:88:06.819
I stories are great to yeah,
Justin Brlander, obviously when the world
989
00:88:06.899 --> 00:88:15.090
series. Well, yeah, like
it's strange too, because I mean there's
990
00:88:15.130 --> 00:88:18.449
been points where, you know,
we got TV's in there and I'm watching
991
00:88:18.529 --> 00:88:24.770
the game on TV and starting pictures
are up there and the hour after the
992
00:88:24.810 --> 00:88:29.880
game he's at my table smoking a
cigarette and I'm like thanks, surreal,
993
00:88:30.560 --> 00:88:38.399
sereal. Yeah, it's interesting stuff. Yeah, I miss it. To
994
00:88:38.560 --> 00:88:42.829
do miss do you misses? Well, do you? Here's the thing.
995
00:88:42.869 --> 00:88:50.869
I still, like I said,
I'm still ideal. Now I will sad
996
00:88:50.949 --> 00:88:59.020
you. Last year in September they
had an open or rare like this casino
997
00:88:59.140 --> 00:89:05.060
too, is very difficult. They've
never hired outside dealers before. What's to
998
00:89:05.180 --> 00:89:11.970
find it? Outside deal like somebody
experienced from another casino. Right, okay,
999
00:89:12.289 --> 00:89:17.649
so you either had to transfer in
from one of the other hard rocks
1000
00:89:17.689 --> 00:89:27.239
or some casinos or you came up
through a different position. Right. So
1001
00:89:27.439 --> 00:89:31.960
the way are it is whatever.
Then you came and got in that way.
1002
00:89:32.399 --> 00:89:38.829
But they've never directly hired outside dealers
from another casino. Winning or open,
1003
00:89:39.189 --> 00:89:43.869
open, even though I wasn't.
I mean I worked there before as
1004
00:89:43.909 --> 00:89:51.710
a pivot manager. I those higher
part of time. I'm like, you
1005
00:89:51.789 --> 00:89:56.659
know what I'm like, I don't
really do nothing at night. I'm like
1006
00:89:56.699 --> 00:90:00.380
I want mine just doing it,
just to be back involved and you know,
1007
00:90:00.500 --> 00:90:04.060
on the weekends it's not going to
really interfere with my my real estate.
1008
00:90:05.220 --> 00:90:10.409
So give me something to do on
the weekends and I can be back
1009
00:90:10.449 --> 00:90:13.489
in that, because you do miss
it, you know, you miss that
1010
00:90:14.369 --> 00:90:17.409
excitement, the atmosphere. You know
you've been in it all this time.
1011
00:90:18.850 --> 00:90:29.439
So I was like, yeah,
it's pretty call loose, pretty. You
1012
00:90:29.479 --> 00:90:33.039
know, it's not demanding right,
especially me, you know, I it's
1013
00:90:33.159 --> 00:90:39.430
nothing. It's like going over and
handing out flyers at this pointing. You
1014
00:90:39.510 --> 00:90:44.310
know, it's just simple, so
I said, and it's good money to
1015
00:90:44.989 --> 00:90:46.829
you know, I'll go out on
the weekend and make a dows some bugs,
1016
00:90:48.750 --> 00:90:53.100
working Friday's are day and Sunday night
and then I'm back do my real
1017
00:90:53.140 --> 00:90:57.340
estate one day through. So you
got into real estate. You got into
1018
00:90:57.380 --> 00:91:00.060
real estate, and how was it
when you first got in for you to,
1019
00:91:00.939 --> 00:91:04.010
you know, feel the not the
temptation, but the desire to get
1020
00:91:04.050 --> 00:91:09.970
back into the Casino as well?
So must I mean probable was a tough
1021
00:91:10.210 --> 00:91:14.050
was it a tough transition? Now? I mean, there was no desire
1022
00:91:14.289 --> 00:91:15.850
really to get back in the casine, you know, at that point,
1023
00:91:17.170 --> 00:91:24.439
you know, I was doing something
new. I can't say there was no
1024
00:91:24.600 --> 00:91:30.760
temptation and it's always a temptation,
but I didn't really think about it.
1025
00:91:30.119 --> 00:91:33.109
You know, so busy doing when
I was doing and I'm so focused.
1026
00:91:33.470 --> 00:91:38.109
You know, once the cars,
once I got the car thing figured out
1027
00:91:38.189 --> 00:91:42.909
and got my money back and I
decided to focus on the real estate.
1028
00:91:43.550 --> 00:91:46.029
You know, things changed. Right
now, now I'm the voting, all
1029
00:91:46.140 --> 00:91:49.819
my time, my attention, energy, focus everything on real estate and you
1030
00:91:49.899 --> 00:91:54.779
really need to write. Do you
remember? You remember your first sale?
1031
00:91:56.020 --> 00:92:00.060
Yeah, like actually, one of
my first deals was a commercial deal.
1032
00:92:01.329 --> 00:92:05.890
Is actually my friend of mine,
the guy that owns the car dealership that
1033
00:92:06.050 --> 00:92:13.649
I think my card to exam my
license, and he he had a shopping
1034
00:92:13.729 --> 00:92:19.119
center that he saw and like man
come virstal, like right off the bat,
1035
00:92:20.119 --> 00:92:23.319
I know where to start, like
all I've been teached me as ill
1036
00:92:23.359 --> 00:92:28.640
to sell houses. So I had
to do a crash course and commercial real
1037
00:92:28.640 --> 00:92:33.909
estate and I learned a lot.
It was it was good, like I
1038
00:92:33.989 --> 00:92:41.189
learned about cash flow, cap rates
and ury and all that stuff. So
1039
00:92:43.789 --> 00:92:53.819
it was it was very beneficial and
that it was like six on the over,
1040
00:92:54.060 --> 00:93:00.050
six Hundredzero. My first house deal
was like a half a million dollar
1041
00:93:00.130 --> 00:93:06.130
house. You know, I'm always
I'm pulled towards the high money, like
1042
00:93:06.289 --> 00:93:11.369
even in the casino business, like
I wanted to be where the big money
1043
00:93:11.609 --> 00:93:15.800
was, you know, I wanted
that. A lot of people they don't
1044
00:93:15.800 --> 00:93:17.159
want anything to do with it.
They're like, I just want to be
1045
00:93:17.279 --> 00:93:25.600
on little game over here. Leave
me alone. Don't? I love drive,
1046
00:93:26.119 --> 00:93:30.590
you know, drive, drive in
that situation. I love the pressure.
1047
00:93:30.069 --> 00:93:34.390
Yeah, I love I love all
that. You know, the tent,
1048
00:93:34.550 --> 00:93:39.989
that tense. Would you say that? Is it the money or is
1049
00:93:40.029 --> 00:93:44.859
it the stakes that are at hand
in those sorts of situations? I think
1050
00:93:44.859 --> 00:93:49.140
it's I think it's the stakes more
than anything. You know that the pressure
1051
00:93:49.180 --> 00:93:54.220
that's on you. You know,
now you got like everybody's watching right,
1052
00:93:54.779 --> 00:94:00.130
and and you're like you have to
perform, and I always thrived at that
1053
00:94:00.770 --> 00:94:05.409
in any basketball or sports or whatever, when the pressure is on, is
1054
00:94:05.489 --> 00:94:13.039
like when I did my better for
my best right, and so I live
1055
00:94:13.159 --> 00:94:15.960
for those moments. You know,
I was that guy that wanted the basketball
1056
00:94:16.119 --> 00:94:20.399
for the last shot of the game. I love that, that pressure,
1057
00:94:23.800 --> 00:94:27.109
you know, having the bigger bet, like I've been out there with half
1058
00:94:27.149 --> 00:94:30.630
a million dollars. That's one hand, half a million dollars a guy back
1059
00:94:32.630 --> 00:94:39.460
and I'm just like it doesn't phase
me at all, like all, right,
1060
00:94:39.500 --> 00:94:42.979
here we go. There's a as
a house, you know, and
1061
00:94:43.100 --> 00:94:47.819
there's another house, there's our house. But yeah, so, like I'm
1062
00:94:47.899 --> 00:94:54.369
always pulled, even in real estate, I'm pulled towards that. You know,
1063
00:94:54.529 --> 00:95:00.409
I want luxury house. I want
big deals, big money deals,
1064
00:95:00.770 --> 00:95:04.329
and it's not necessarily about the commission
check or anything else. It's just that's
1065
00:95:04.369 --> 00:95:10.560
what I'm I'm drawn to. I
don't I don't know why I always want
1066
00:95:10.560 --> 00:95:15.199
to be I guess it's has to
do with like being the best. You
1067
00:95:15.279 --> 00:95:18.239
know, I've always had that drive. I didn't want to just be good
1068
00:95:18.239 --> 00:95:24.869
at something. I want to be
like the best at it, and it's
1069
00:95:25.229 --> 00:95:31.949
usually just compete with myself. I
nobody's harder on me than me. Yeah,
1070
00:95:32.550 --> 00:95:41.819
I guess I get hard on myself
if if I don't little like I
1071
00:95:41.899 --> 00:95:45.539
get the OCD ish. You know, I thinks to be perfect, and
1072
00:95:45.659 --> 00:95:47.340
that was actually one of the things
that kind of helped me up from the
1073
00:95:47.380 --> 00:95:54.329
beginning of my real estate career is
I want everything to be perfect, right.
1074
00:95:54.890 --> 00:95:59.250
I want to perfect. Picture from
my business card, the perfect business,
1075
00:95:59.250 --> 00:96:01.810
kind of one of the perfect name. Every thing be perfect, and
1076
00:96:01.930 --> 00:96:06.239
sometimes I won't release something unless it
was perfect, instead of just doing it
1077
00:96:08.279 --> 00:96:11.640
and then learning as you go.
I wasn't like like that. I think
1078
00:96:11.640 --> 00:96:15.640
I had that I wanted it to
be perfect or right off the back.
1079
00:96:15.439 --> 00:96:19.350
That's impossible. Out of the starting
box. You kept resetting yourself, you
1080
00:96:19.390 --> 00:96:23.789
wouldn't go right. You get you
get help and won't pose. If you
1081
00:96:23.829 --> 00:96:27.350
get help, you don't start right. It's like a failure to launch type
1082
00:96:27.390 --> 00:96:31.390
of thing, like you're better off
just launching, you know, like Amazon.
1083
00:96:31.510 --> 00:96:34.020
What do you launched? Selling books, and now let it what it
1084
00:96:34.180 --> 00:96:39.539
is. You know, they just
proved, improve, improved. So that
1085
00:96:39.699 --> 00:96:43.979
was something I had to learn that
I'm still learning, you know. I
1086
00:96:44.100 --> 00:96:50.569
find myself still doing that sometimes we're
like getting on video or a video or
1087
00:96:50.649 --> 00:96:54.810
something. You know, I want
to be perfect, I want to have
1088
00:96:54.930 --> 00:96:57.850
the right thing to say, the
right message. It's you know, and
1089
00:96:57.970 --> 00:97:03.399
you overthink it instead just doing it. It's more beneficial to you even starting
1090
00:97:03.439 --> 00:97:06.359
the podcast, you know, and
you might be able to relate to this.
1091
00:97:06.560 --> 00:97:11.439
I don't know if you do or
not. On right down that alley,
1092
00:97:12.439 --> 00:97:15.989
you know, start record. Okay, do it again right. So,
1093
00:97:15.350 --> 00:97:19.390
like you probably wanted the first one. Like how much did you research
1094
00:97:19.430 --> 00:97:24.710
it before you did it, you
know, and how many things you said,
1095
00:97:24.789 --> 00:97:27.789
oh, I need this, I
need this, this background that like
1096
00:97:27.949 --> 00:97:30.380
you got. You know, I
can't start until I have a cool background
1097
00:97:30.420 --> 00:97:35.180
or I had this trucular that came
out of my mouth, I'm not going
1098
00:97:35.180 --> 00:97:39.260
to start, and I get the
background. Yeah, I have to have
1099
00:97:39.420 --> 00:97:44.289
this exact Mike, I have to
have a new computer or whatever. Any
1100
00:97:44.329 --> 00:97:47.770
read you're giving yourself excuses or reasons, yea, to start instead of just
1101
00:97:47.930 --> 00:97:54.170
start, you know. So like
I made that decision little over here ago
1102
00:97:54.689 --> 00:97:59.840
that I'm just gonna Start doing you
know, we start just executing, put
1103
00:97:59.920 --> 00:98:05.239
it out there. They'll get better
as I go and it's worked out.
1104
00:98:05.359 --> 00:98:13.270
You know, we started the podcast. Like it took me from from the
1105
00:98:13.390 --> 00:98:17.670
thought of doing a podcast to actually
doing it. It took like seven months,
1106
00:98:17.989 --> 00:98:23.710
eight months, something like that,
you know, because I thought about
1107
00:98:23.750 --> 00:98:27.069
it and then I was like I
want to be perfect. What's IT GOING
1108
00:98:27.109 --> 00:98:31.619
TO BE? A wow, this
that it's took a while. But then
1109
00:98:31.699 --> 00:98:38.739
as just like you know what,
and I kind of used like my host
1110
00:98:39.140 --> 00:98:43.289
is like a crutch, you know, to help get over that initial fear,
1111
00:98:43.689 --> 00:98:48.010
and that's why I have a colost
you know, and I would use
1112
00:98:48.050 --> 00:98:54.289
as an excuse, like she's not
pretty and Blah, Blah Blah. Finally
1113
00:98:54.329 --> 00:98:58.199
I was just like that next week. I'm like, can you do it
1114
00:98:58.279 --> 00:99:01.279
on Friday, literally, like next
week. We're started, and we just
1115
00:99:01.800 --> 00:99:05.680
started and in the first episode was
just a two of us. Next thing
1116
00:99:05.760 --> 00:99:12.069
I know, I got, you
know, guests and just took off show.
1117
00:99:12.109 --> 00:99:14.670
It's gotten better, like if you
go back and look now from the
1118
00:99:14.750 --> 00:99:19.229
first one, it's like God,
is so raw and this that's a nearly
1119
00:99:19.390 --> 00:99:28.220
pocket to the end. We're you
know, we had a owner of a
1120
00:99:28.260 --> 00:99:36.220
national chain brewery on and we're being
asked to go to these these places,
1121
00:99:38.340 --> 00:99:42.210
and that evolved to you know,
it's not like like gears, where you're
1122
00:99:42.289 --> 00:99:46.890
and your own studio, which was
the plan in the beginning. But we
1123
00:99:47.010 --> 00:99:56.239
had to shift because we started getting
invited to places like come here to our
1124
00:99:56.279 --> 00:100:03.720
reliasing business and we'll do it from
here. So we had to become versatile,
1125
00:100:03.880 --> 00:100:06.989
had to you know. So we
changed everything. We don't have a
1126
00:100:08.069 --> 00:100:12.670
set up like cares. We work
up the PEL mics and, you know,
1127
00:100:12.829 --> 00:100:18.029
tripods and everything. We're we're going
from place to place. But that
1128
00:100:19.630 --> 00:100:26.939
initially, and my cohost is also
a real turn, was designed for a
1129
00:100:27.020 --> 00:100:33.060
purpose, right, and the purpose
being was to get out of obscurity,
1130
00:100:33.100 --> 00:100:39.689
right, to become an avenue,
to become known, like and trusted in
1131
00:100:40.449 --> 00:100:46.050
your area. So it was a
way to get in front of you to
1132
00:100:46.289 --> 00:100:53.159
like become even though it's not about
real estate, and that's by design,
1133
00:100:53.239 --> 00:100:57.479
because there's enough podcast about real estate. So I said, well, what's
1134
00:100:57.479 --> 00:101:01.760
the other thing that's relevant? Why
don't we make it on on Tampa,
1135
00:101:02.159 --> 00:101:08.550
you know, and make it about
other people, about other businesses, and
1136
00:101:08.949 --> 00:101:14.550
we'll just be the people that host
that, you know, and they'll get
1137
00:101:14.550 --> 00:101:17.430
to know us and at times we
drop a little a we say I were
1138
00:101:17.579 --> 00:101:24.420
yeah, you know, realtors or
whatever will mention it, but this allowed
1139
00:101:24.539 --> 00:101:28.420
us to do a couple things that
other realtors can't, especially if you own
1140
00:101:28.420 --> 00:101:31.420
a show. And when it comes
to like target marketing with facebook and stuff,
1141
00:101:32.409 --> 00:101:39.810
we've figured out ways to utilize that
for our real estate business, not
1142
00:101:40.569 --> 00:101:45.449
up front and then your face,
but like in the background, right.
1143
00:101:45.529 --> 00:101:51.640
So all those people that have seen
our podcast or listen to our podcast,
1144
00:101:51.800 --> 00:101:59.159
we can, you know, through
facebook advertising. We can target them target
1145
00:101:59.239 --> 00:102:03.869
marketing. Yeah, facebook, they
probably an under utilized and cheap, relatively
1146
00:102:03.909 --> 00:102:08.590
cheap, form of advertisement, right, and I've just started doing a lot
1147
00:102:08.630 --> 00:102:16.020
of it with real estate, like
I've really ramped up my target marketing strategy
1148
00:102:16.380 --> 00:102:20.939
with facebook. So, Robert,
what is what is your typical day?
1149
00:102:21.060 --> 00:102:26.779
Now. Like so you have casino, you're finished with dealing cars, and
1150
00:102:27.140 --> 00:102:30.850
so what is your you mentioned it
when we first started chatting in the beginning
1151
00:102:30.890 --> 00:102:33.890
that you're you're into a few different
things in your kind of busy yeah,
1152
00:102:34.050 --> 00:102:43.170
so what is your typical week look
like? Well, I've still like to
1153
00:102:43.409 --> 00:102:45.159
you know, if the rights of
suation comes along, I'd still like to
1154
00:102:45.239 --> 00:102:47.960
buy cars again, and then too. Right now it's not a good time
1155
00:102:48.039 --> 00:102:55.359
to be in that business. But
and in the casino thing is kind of
1156
00:102:55.479 --> 00:103:00.229
a hiatus because the covid and everything. I mean they're open, but me
1157
00:103:00.350 --> 00:103:04.670
being part time and just on the
weekends, it's kind of like I'm not
1158
00:103:04.789 --> 00:103:09.149
needed right now, like I don't
need anyways. Like the real estate's just
1159
00:103:09.270 --> 00:103:15.260
too busy right now. I don't
know if you're familiar with like what's going
1160
00:103:15.300 --> 00:103:20.739
on and in the states as far
as like real estate, but it's it's
1161
00:103:20.859 --> 00:103:25.300
so said. I was talking to
my aunt yesterday, two days ago,
1162
00:103:25.340 --> 00:103:28.369
and she said the same thing in
Canada. Don't buy a house. It's
1163
00:103:28.489 --> 00:103:32.729
you know, it's a seller's market. It's a seller's market, but it's
1164
00:103:32.729 --> 00:103:39.409
also a buyers market because of the
low interest rates right now. Okay,
1165
00:103:41.520 --> 00:103:45.439
the interest rates haven't been a little
and I don't think forever. So the
1166
00:103:45.880 --> 00:103:49.680
the buyers, even though the sellers
are get top dollar for their their house,
1167
00:103:50.600 --> 00:103:55.079
in the long run the buyers are. When the interest rates where they
1168
00:103:55.119 --> 00:103:58.869
are, the buyers are saving money. To write, from like a year
1169
00:103:58.909 --> 00:104:02.630
ago where it was up almost a
percent on the interest rate, even if
1170
00:104:02.670 --> 00:104:09.590
the house was fifteen, twentyzero cheaper, you're still paying less now because that
1171
00:104:09.789 --> 00:104:15.180
interest rate is that much cheaper.
Right. So there's a lot of that.
1172
00:104:15.340 --> 00:104:17.819
So there's a pent up demand too. So there's a lot of people
1173
00:104:17.859 --> 00:104:21.819
that have been hunt up for last
few years, that been waiting for the
1174
00:104:21.859 --> 00:104:27.529
right moment to buy and now,
with the interest rates where they are,
1175
00:104:27.609 --> 00:104:33.810
like I said, it's a good
time to buy. I I do take
1176
00:104:33.890 --> 00:104:36.529
on buyers. You know, I
do both sides. I do selling,
1177
00:104:36.810 --> 00:104:42.760
you know, listings and and and
buyers, but I focus all my energy
1178
00:104:42.840 --> 00:104:48.920
and efforts into listings. It's I
just read the work with sellers buyers can
1179
00:104:48.960 --> 00:104:55.829
be time consuming and you know something
can prefer ad buyers, but he personally,
1180
00:104:55.869 --> 00:105:02.229
I mean I like working with working
with the sellers. I like get
1181
00:105:02.310 --> 00:105:09.460
in the House right now, for
instance, like over this past week I've
1182
00:105:09.460 --> 00:105:13.060
been really busy. I kind of
wasn't going to do this anymore, but
1183
00:105:14.460 --> 00:105:19.579
it was a referral and the house
needs like a lot of stuff, a
1184
00:105:19.659 --> 00:105:25.090
lot of updates. Right, they
didn't update. It's Nice House, but
1185
00:105:26.050 --> 00:105:30.329
the kitchen is outdated. There's a
whole bunch of out these stuff. It's
1186
00:105:30.329 --> 00:105:34.760
kind of all different colors on walls
and everything. So I went in and
1187
00:105:36.319 --> 00:105:41.560
I designed out a kitchen. I
designed, you know, all this stuff.
1188
00:105:42.279 --> 00:105:45.479
I heard contractors. I took care
of everything. Basically, the guy
1189
00:105:45.560 --> 00:105:50.109
left. He's like, take care
of whatever, it's got to be taken
1190
00:105:50.149 --> 00:105:54.510
care of, and I said listen, like, Oh, this is what
1191
00:105:54.630 --> 00:105:58.029
we need to do. If you
spend this much, you will make this
1192
00:105:58.149 --> 00:106:00.430
much back. Right, if ever
we sell the house right now, this
1193
00:106:00.550 --> 00:106:05.180
is what it's worth. If we
put in x amount of dollars and we
1194
00:106:05.300 --> 00:106:10.979
do these necessary upgrades, this is
how much you can expect to make.
1195
00:106:11.420 --> 00:106:17.609
So basically I help sellers be their
own flippers, right, because this house,
1196
00:106:18.050 --> 00:106:23.130
for instance, would have probably been
bought by a flipper, would have
1197
00:106:23.170 --> 00:106:29.010
been bought by somebody at a cheap
amount. They were another right in there.
1198
00:106:29.130 --> 00:106:30.170
They would have blew out the kitchen. They would have done all the
1199
00:106:30.210 --> 00:106:33.680
upgrades and then they were sold of
for a profit. So yeah, I'm
1200
00:106:33.760 --> 00:106:39.199
people who own those houses for so
long have little idea what needs to be
1201
00:106:39.279 --> 00:106:43.239
done in them and right probably don't
becauser in setting it. They know,
1202
00:106:44.520 --> 00:106:47.590
yeah, it's been fine for them, right, you know, they don't
1203
00:106:47.590 --> 00:106:55.470
realize, you know it's not ready
for reason. So I kind of enabled
1204
00:106:55.550 --> 00:107:05.220
them to do that flip it themselves. So this guy's going to make two
1205
00:107:05.300 --> 00:107:11.420
to three dollars on his money.
Didn't return of what he's investing now.
1206
00:107:12.699 --> 00:107:17.529
So prior to the prior to him
doing this, to been lucky to listed
1207
00:107:17.569 --> 00:107:23.569
at two hundred and sixty and get
round two hundred and fifty. After we're
1208
00:107:23.609 --> 00:107:30.239
going to be right about three hundred. And that's with minimal investment, as
1209
00:107:30.319 --> 00:107:38.439
minimal as possible. So so I've
been busy with that and that takes a
1210
00:107:38.479 --> 00:107:44.470
lot of time to so I like
to work with new builds. For instance,
1211
00:107:44.710 --> 00:107:48.390
I got a client, he's an
investor and I've done I've done some
1212
00:107:48.470 --> 00:107:54.310
business with him. What's funny is
I got him out of a out of
1213
00:107:54.390 --> 00:107:59.060
a like a local APP called next
story. I'm the head that in South
1214
00:107:59.060 --> 00:108:05.380
Korea, but it's usually just like
for neighbors. H He wanted a round
1215
00:108:05.420 --> 00:108:12.020
property, so I took on his
rental and out of that we'll come to
1216
00:108:12.060 --> 00:108:15.090
find out he's that's what he does. He buys and holds and rents properties.
1217
00:108:17.170 --> 00:108:24.689
But I've also gotten three New York
geeky clients that are all coaches for
1218
00:108:24.850 --> 00:108:32.560
the inkies. From that one rental
I've sold, yeah, like three houses
1219
00:108:32.760 --> 00:108:38.880
and I'm working on three more,
and he's in my investor mself, is
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going to buy it like a bunch
more. So I've convinced him to go
1221
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to new construction because things are right
now. It's tough because the the resale
1222
00:108:47.670 --> 00:108:54.510
market is high, but they're still
selling like super fast. So any decent
1223
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house that's out there, if you
want to clean house, which he does,
1224
00:109:00.220 --> 00:109:02.300
because he's not flipper. He's,
like I said, buy and hold.
1225
00:109:02.420 --> 00:109:05.500
He wants to buy it and be
able to put minimum amount of money
1226
00:109:05.539 --> 00:109:09.859
into it. Just put a render
in there. All right. So I
1227
00:109:09.979 --> 00:109:13.930
said, listen, like we had, we had an offering a one house
1228
00:109:14.010 --> 00:109:17.649
in the roof was bad, so
it fell through. I said, wow,
1229
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we go to new construction, and
this is after we lost out of
1230
00:109:24.010 --> 00:109:29.359
two other houses like let's go in
new construction, because everything's new. You
1231
00:109:29.359 --> 00:109:30.800
don't have to worry about the growth, you don't have to worry about the
1232
00:109:31.399 --> 00:109:36.600
clients does anything. It's news.
The warranty for ten years. I go
1233
00:109:36.720 --> 00:109:42.029
and you're going to start turning profit
right away. Well, selling new construction
1234
00:109:42.149 --> 00:109:45.949
is pretty simple. There's not a
quat. You know, I'm basically bring
1235
00:109:46.029 --> 00:109:50.989
them to the contract the builder.
We're filling out the forms or doing that,
1236
00:109:53.220 --> 00:109:57.220
and they've almost had like alias and
somebody that takes it, takes the
1237
00:109:57.300 --> 00:110:01.979
ball and runs with it. I
just got to show up and make sure
1238
00:110:01.979 --> 00:110:08.569
all the paper works good and whatnot. So it's not a lot of running
1239
00:110:08.569 --> 00:110:12.729
around. Right, I'm not taking
the them from house to house stops,
1240
00:110:13.489 --> 00:110:20.720
so it's a little bit better in
essence. So I've started shifting towards more
1241
00:110:20.840 --> 00:110:30.880
luxury looking to sell for listings luxury
homes and for buyers on marketing to new
1242
00:110:30.960 --> 00:110:38.229
construction right, because I'm not going
to be going and taking them to twenty
1243
00:110:38.270 --> 00:110:42.270
houses just for them to say I
want to see a few more. You
1244
00:110:42.390 --> 00:110:48.590
know that takes that takes a lot
of time. So you know, I've
1245
00:110:48.670 --> 00:111:00.859
transitioned through this period of covid you
know and really learned a lot about like
1246
00:111:00.060 --> 00:111:10.409
target marketing and some other marketing stuff
that I'm now using, like one of
1247
00:111:10.409 --> 00:111:15.289
the things you've found me on Linkedin. linkings are great resource. Yeah,
1248
00:111:15.770 --> 00:111:24.079
and I've started using linked in to
to seek business. So there's a lot
1249
00:111:24.119 --> 00:111:28.960
of people, for instance, from
New York. They're leaving New York,
1250
00:111:29.319 --> 00:111:32.829
New Jersey, you know that try
state area and moving to Florida. Want
1251
00:111:32.869 --> 00:111:39.430
to don't want the cold, no
more cold taxes, and or they just
1252
00:111:39.470 --> 00:111:43.750
don't want to be in the city
to anymore. Yeah, so what I've
1253
00:111:43.789 --> 00:111:51.460
done through Linkedin is I've gone to
agents up there and instead of them normally
1254
00:111:51.539 --> 00:111:59.699
what happens is they get a client
that says I'm moving Florida, some of
1255
00:111:59.739 --> 00:112:04.529
my house right and then so they
post somewhere that they need a referral for
1256
00:112:05.689 --> 00:112:10.369
a client that's moving to a certain
area. I said, well, I'll
1257
00:112:10.970 --> 00:112:15.369
head it off and I'll just make
my offer to those agents and tell them
1258
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I'll pay them a referral fee of
you know, high referral fee, thirty
1259
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percent be in. The normal standard
is usually like twenty five percent, and
1260
00:112:27.319 --> 00:112:31.350
they'll think of me when they have
somebody moving down and as the whole thing
1261
00:112:32.270 --> 00:112:38.670
I said, and sometimes people come
down here first to check it out,
1262
00:112:39.029 --> 00:112:43.310
you know, and they might drive
around with me to different places or reach
1263
00:112:43.350 --> 00:112:46.180
out to me to see a place
and then tell me they have a house
1264
00:112:46.260 --> 00:112:53.420
to sell up in New Jersey and
now I need the ages over there to
1265
00:112:53.739 --> 00:112:56.500
die. Know could sell their house
quick so they can buy a house here
1266
00:112:56.779 --> 00:113:03.409
for me. So I've used linkedin. Has Been Great for that also for
1267
00:113:04.010 --> 00:113:14.039
like meeting like divorce lawyers and a
state attorneys and something that is is forwards.
1268
00:113:17.560 --> 00:113:26.520
So that's all in the last last
year I've been building like then.
1269
00:113:27.350 --> 00:113:33.630
I'm well over Tozero connections now,
but I think there's a I think there's
1270
00:113:33.630 --> 00:113:40.630
a lot to be to be done
tapped into. Yeah, absolutely, definitely
1271
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under US resource. Robert, what
has been the biggest difficulty for you in
1272
00:113:49.699 --> 00:113:57.649
your work in real estate from Your
Life? Nope, from your life experience
1273
00:113:58.130 --> 00:114:03.609
work, it's been the most physical. What has been your challenge for you?
1274
00:114:09.890 --> 00:114:17.079
Just a question, because I think
each career has at different challenges,
1275
00:114:17.479 --> 00:114:20.720
especially well, even those when you're
speaking. I was thinking like in the
1276
00:114:20.840 --> 00:114:26.310
Casino. It's almost similar real estate
and casino. Like I see as a
1277
00:114:26.390 --> 00:114:33.390
casino from our boss and also in
between these these the dealer in the player
1278
00:114:33.630 --> 00:114:38.550
and the buyer and the cellar,
and you're maneuvering all these people in a
1279
00:114:38.979 --> 00:114:45.500
very strategic way. Yeah, I
mean there are definitely similarities. There's and
1280
00:114:45.659 --> 00:114:51.220
some skills that you would use,
especially like the way you talk to people,
1281
00:114:51.420 --> 00:115:01.050
the customer service wise, and maybe
diffusion certain situations kind of be able
1282
00:115:01.130 --> 00:115:05.770
to negotiate things right, and that's
one of the things did as a fit
1283
00:115:05.850 --> 00:115:13.279
manager. Not Everything was black and
white, you know, there's you operate
1284
00:115:13.359 --> 00:115:16.960
in the gray area a lot of
the times, you know, and that's
1285
00:115:16.960 --> 00:115:23.590
what people don't realize, you know. So you try to make the best
1286
00:115:23.670 --> 00:115:32.189
of the situation. But challenge wise, I guess, is probably within myself,
1287
00:115:32.470 --> 00:115:39.979
you know, just having like super
high expectations of everything that I'm doing.
1288
00:115:41.060 --> 00:115:45.180
Sometimes, you know, I think
they're achievable, you know, but
1289
00:115:46.899 --> 00:115:57.810
you know, I think just being
hard on myself and challenge in myself to
1290
00:115:57.970 --> 00:116:03.600
always like I've gotten in my own
own way, I guess, in a
1291
00:116:03.720 --> 00:116:11.159
way where I've started over, like
I could have done what everybody has done.
1292
00:116:11.399 --> 00:116:16.039
Seem the business for most people do
that are to have aspirations of being,
1293
00:116:16.479 --> 00:116:23.869
you know, high up that kind
of hasn't been my I think I've
1294
00:116:23.869 --> 00:116:29.069
always known there was a ceiling,
right, you know. Yeah, I
1295
00:116:29.109 --> 00:116:34.819
could go on to be the vice
president the table games, you know,
1296
00:116:35.380 --> 00:116:42.619
but I'm still your Max salary.
You know you're going to be. There's
1297
00:116:42.619 --> 00:116:49.569
a ceiling right with real estate and
doing something on your own and benefits,
1298
00:116:49.649 --> 00:116:55.890
and you know from that, from
your efforts, heard of your labor yeah,
1299
00:116:56.130 --> 00:117:00.600
yeah, is is something that's always
intrigued me. So I am my
1300
00:117:00.800 --> 00:117:05.680
only limited factor as far as being
a business for myself being in the real
1301
00:117:05.720 --> 00:117:11.359
estate. But it's been tough.
It's not like I thought it was going
1302
00:117:11.399 --> 00:117:13.319
to be, you know, and
I thought it was a plan B,
1303
00:117:14.239 --> 00:117:17.069
like I'll just go and sell a
few houses, I'll be good, it'll
1304
00:117:17.069 --> 00:117:20.350
be a good thing to step back, and it hasn't been. And now
1305
00:117:20.510 --> 00:117:25.789
it's become like my mission. You
know, it's one of those things where
1306
00:117:25.789 --> 00:117:31.739
I'm I just can't I can't stop, like I have to make like I
1307
00:117:31.819 --> 00:117:39.180
have goals, like high goals.
I don't know. I want to be
1308
00:117:39.380 --> 00:117:43.739
the best. You know, I
look at the guys that are the best
1309
00:117:44.850 --> 00:117:49.850
in my industry and in my area
and that's my goal. You know,
1310
00:117:50.050 --> 00:117:55.090
it's not to just sell a few
houses, be successful, whatever. I
1311
00:117:55.250 --> 00:117:59.359
want to beat that guy, you
know. I want to beat that first.
1312
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So it's become a most affliction.
If in real estate them will keep
1313
00:118:08.760 --> 00:118:12.239
it to that. What is something
a joy or something that you like the
1314
00:118:12.279 --> 00:118:17.189
most about your job? What I
like? I love it, even like
1315
00:118:17.350 --> 00:118:20.510
the other day, you know this
this guy I'm doing this house for,
1316
00:118:23.149 --> 00:118:30.100
he text me my phone and you
know het, we haven't seen the fruits
1317
00:118:30.340 --> 00:118:33.619
of the Labor yet, right,
we haven't seen we haven't sold it because
1318
00:118:33.699 --> 00:118:36.500
I haven't put it on the market. I got people knocking to my daughter
1319
00:118:36.539 --> 00:118:45.289
to come see it, but it's
not it's not ready. So he text
1320
00:118:45.409 --> 00:118:53.289
me and he's like, what do
you say? Something about me being the
1321
00:118:53.369 --> 00:119:02.760
best. Right, and that to
me meant more. So he said,
1322
00:119:04.920 --> 00:119:10.270
he said thank you for the hard
work, and I say, you know,
1323
00:119:10.390 --> 00:119:13.029
you're welcome. I want to do
a great job for you, because
1324
00:119:13.109 --> 00:119:17.310
that's why you are highly recommended by
my friends, best of the best.
1325
00:119:18.470 --> 00:119:24.460
Now, that is what it was
for me, like I'm not thinking about
1326
00:119:24.859 --> 00:119:29.739
money, I'm thinking about doing like
a great job for him, the best,
1327
00:119:29.899 --> 00:119:32.699
the best. Yeah, I can
be in the best, you know,
1328
00:119:32.819 --> 00:119:39.729
so that you know that for me
was like is what it's about,
1329
00:119:40.489 --> 00:119:46.489
you know, just being the best
thinking Robert, from sixteen year old with
1330
00:119:46.649 --> 00:119:51.810
your dad on the cold streets of
New York. I only did in the
1331
00:119:51.880 --> 00:119:55.800
summer. Well, actually, no, I like, I did do it
1332
00:119:55.880 --> 00:119:59.359
once in the winter and I'm from
Nova, Scotia's not very hot. Ever,
1333
00:120:01.199 --> 00:120:10.069
to your journey through work. How
has work helped you through your life?
1334
00:120:11.590 --> 00:120:16.470
Well, I mean like going back
to that story of gross and maturing,
1335
00:120:17.029 --> 00:120:23.899
you know, and and like at
the Casino on the boat when I
1336
00:120:23.979 --> 00:120:30.739
had that incident and and that growth
as a person, I could God,
1337
00:120:31.060 --> 00:120:38.409
I might not not gotten anywhere but
at work right. So that night,
1338
00:120:40.329 --> 00:120:45.770
who knows what? What have I
done? It gets you purpose, because
1339
00:120:45.810 --> 00:120:50.399
a reason to grow up and do
do things. A couple more questions,
1340
00:120:50.439 --> 00:120:54.760
Robert. How do you find rest? What do you do in your rest?
1341
00:120:56.479 --> 00:121:03.239
What's that rest'll right, this is
rest. Being out here with you
1342
00:121:03.430 --> 00:121:08.029
is rest. Right now, I've
enjoyed this very much. This should be
1343
00:121:08.069 --> 00:121:14.109
at the house because my Cambins are
going in. But but how do you?
1344
00:121:14.270 --> 00:121:16.390
How do you get rest? I
mean if your wife is around,
1345
00:121:16.470 --> 00:121:21.220
like how do you? You know, I try to get book it in,
1346
00:121:21.500 --> 00:121:25.939
or how do you know that's like
the best thing you probably do is,
1347
00:121:26.020 --> 00:121:29.340
like, dude, time block,
but and I tried to, but
1348
00:121:29.500 --> 00:121:31.579
it never works. It's just because
some things come up, you know,
1349
00:121:31.779 --> 00:121:38.970
people things have what people call you
at different times. There's different fires to
1350
00:121:39.050 --> 00:121:44.930
put out and in my you know, I'm doing the podcast as well.
1351
00:121:47.000 --> 00:121:53.880
I had other aspirations as well outside
the real estate, you know, and
1352
00:121:54.760 --> 00:122:00.720
with business, excuse me, like
I want to do. There's other businesses
1353
00:122:00.920 --> 00:122:06.189
that want to start. I want
to those guys. It just isn't gonna
1354
00:122:08.590 --> 00:122:11.949
isn't going to stop. Like I'm
not going to rest on my successors once
1355
00:122:11.989 --> 00:122:15.069
I get where I want to be
with the real estate. That's there's something
1356
00:122:15.189 --> 00:122:19.380
else. Like right now, I
just have to keep my focus on doing
1357
00:122:19.460 --> 00:122:24.659
what I'm doing. As far as
the real stands, tough, because other
1358
00:122:24.779 --> 00:122:28.260
opportunities come around or I think of
something else and I want to shift some
1359
00:122:28.380 --> 00:122:34.210
focus towards that and it's just not
the right moment. There's no rest.
1360
00:122:34.689 --> 00:122:41.010
There's no rest, there's no I'm
always, even when I'm resting me,
1361
00:122:41.050 --> 00:122:44.800
if I'm watching to night, paying
attention to it, I'm are about something
1362
00:122:44.880 --> 00:122:49.520
or I'm on my phone replying to
an email or something. I mean it's
1363
00:122:49.560 --> 00:122:53.319
good, though. I mean there's
there's you do, takes out, we
1364
00:122:53.439 --> 00:122:57.119
sleep right, you sit down and
eat. There is rest involved in some
1365
00:122:57.239 --> 00:123:00.430
of those things and playing on our
phone, and there's other people who just
1366
00:123:00.590 --> 00:123:04.750
do it too much. Yeah,
they they just I don't know, I
1367
00:123:04.789 --> 00:123:09.270
don't think. Don't know how drive. Yeah, what is your what is
1368
00:123:09.350 --> 00:123:12.710
your advice for those people, or
people not not, that are not doing
1369
00:123:13.140 --> 00:123:18.060
because they don't discourage or just straught, they're in between jobs, they don't
1370
00:123:18.060 --> 00:123:21.899
know what to do with themselves?
What's your advice, Robert? You've seen
1371
00:123:21.979 --> 00:123:26.340
a lot of people, from highs
and lows, to the good and the
1372
00:123:26.420 --> 00:123:30.010
bad. But what are the things
that treats me? Is Passion, right,
1373
00:123:30.649 --> 00:123:38.930
I think you got to have passion
something right. Maybe not. Maybe
1374
00:123:39.010 --> 00:123:44.479
your passion is cars. You know, I'm a car guys, so I
1375
00:123:44.520 --> 00:123:46.920
thought I was sell cars, you
know, but you know, I enjoy
1376
00:123:47.039 --> 00:123:51.279
it. Is it my passion?
I don't know. My passion is is
1377
00:123:51.800 --> 00:124:00.189
really helping people, like helping people
buy House or realizing that dream right in
1378
00:124:00.310 --> 00:124:06.869
the casino. From a manager standpoint, it is helping those people achieve being
1379
00:124:06.949 --> 00:124:14.659
the best at a dealing, whether
it's dealing or whatever it is helping them
1380
00:124:14.859 --> 00:124:19.300
be that people that are out of
work right now. It's just figure out
1381
00:124:19.340 --> 00:124:27.329
your passion or even, you know, watch people that have passion. Like
1382
00:124:28.810 --> 00:124:31.489
I don't know if it's necessary for
the motivation, like one of the things
1383
00:124:31.529 --> 00:124:38.250
I do in the mornings as I'll
watch a motivation of it, you know,
1384
00:124:38.840 --> 00:124:44.279
whether it's Gary V or or,
you know, somebody like that.
1385
00:124:45.640 --> 00:124:51.640
I see that that's that's doing and
you know, he doesn't ask a lot
1386
00:124:51.680 --> 00:124:55.909
of kind of people. You know
it. Sometimes it's just a matter is
1387
00:124:55.989 --> 00:125:00.869
that vice is like save money,
you know, or go to garage sale
1388
00:125:00.949 --> 00:125:06.420
and then re sell something, you
know, on so they're very attainable goals.
1389
00:125:06.819 --> 00:125:16.500
Right. I look at David Kogan, or Gogins, David ggins,
1390
00:125:16.659 --> 00:125:25.890
is his story and it's motivation.
I think you gotta gotta want more,
1391
00:125:26.609 --> 00:125:30.810
right, you know, and sometimes
work is only where you can get there.
1392
00:125:30.250 --> 00:125:34.010
If you don't like your job,
if you despise it, you should
1393
00:125:34.050 --> 00:125:39.840
be doing it. You know,
somebody else would do it. The words
1394
00:125:39.880 --> 00:125:45.319
I can end go find your passion, even if that means not having a
1395
00:125:45.359 --> 00:125:50.310
paycheck for him, and you know, eventually it'll pay off. That's that's
1396
00:125:50.350 --> 00:125:56.750
how I feel Robert. Where can
people find you? How can they get
1397
00:125:56.789 --> 00:126:00.909
in contact with you, especially if
they're anywhere in the states that are thinking
1398
00:126:00.949 --> 00:126:04.939
about coming or leaven, Tampa or
leavin? I don't know. I leave.
1399
00:126:05.020 --> 00:126:06.979
Look at this, look at behind
me. I know, I,
1400
00:126:08.420 --> 00:126:12.180
I know, I would you want
to leave that? No, I'd done
1401
00:126:12.220 --> 00:126:15.859
it twice, right, or three
that? Yeah, twice, yeah,
1402
00:126:16.020 --> 00:126:21.609
okay, twice, but yeah,
I think you find me. Yeah,
1403
00:126:21.649 --> 00:126:28.449
I'm all over. You can find
me at Tampa robcom. Email me at
1404
00:126:28.529 --> 00:126:33.439
sold at Tampa Acom. You can
find my podcast. This is Tampa podcastcom.
1405
00:126:36.640 --> 00:126:42.680
God, or else I've everything or
the thanks. Find you on Linkedin.
1406
00:126:42.760 --> 00:126:46.390
Linkedin, we're probably INSTAGRAM, twitter, although, yeah, instagram.
1407
00:126:46.550 --> 00:126:53.550
On facebook, I think my handle
is real estate problem. They won't let
1408
00:126:53.590 --> 00:126:58.430
me put Tampa Roup, but I
think I got Tampa Roup, that Tampa
1409
00:126:58.510 --> 00:127:03.899
up xp on Instagram, the whole
thing. Is there anything TAMPA AND ROMP
1410
00:127:03.979 --> 00:127:09.939
ROB? Let's remember that, or
anything in Tampa, rob is there anything
1411
00:127:10.020 --> 00:127:14.100
else you'd like to say or add
based on our conversation? Are you're thinking
1412
00:127:14.140 --> 00:127:18.489
about in terms of work? In
terms of work, or anything else?
1413
00:127:18.569 --> 00:127:25.369
Yeah, or anything else? Yeah, I mean, I mean not not
1414
00:127:25.489 --> 00:127:28.729
that I looked at the time at
all once. Just did. Now we've
1415
00:127:29.090 --> 00:127:30.960
been talking for two hours and forty
five minutes. You have not broke a
1416
00:127:31.039 --> 00:127:35.720
record. This is it is a
record. It has. I'm a bit
1417
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of a talker. That's so.
I'm sorry for taking your time, but
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is there anything else you want to
add? It's refreshing. I mean just
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you know, like I say,
find your passion. You know, they
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say if you do something you love, you never work a day in your
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life. I kind of feel like
that. You don't know what pass is
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going to take you down here.
I'm not they stay true. Were about
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to retire like I thought I'd be. It took me on a totally different
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path, but I wouldn't trade it
for the world. So yeah, well,
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that's like I listened to gave V
too, and he's like, well,
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just imagine if you could go back, you go to heaven, you
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go back and you find out you
were a state trooper and you got shot
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your first day at work, right, three days later, right, and
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then you look at this life and
then now you have something totally different.
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Yeah, it's definitely the totally different
path and that, like you said,
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you know, now that I think
about it. I'm like, man,
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I probably would have been like sitting
in the car and done it's most of
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the time anyway, I wait out
of my money. We truly appreciate state
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troopers all over the course. Yeah, but yeah, I would have been.
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It have been definitely different life,
I think. Closing inclosing, Robert,
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why do you work when I work? What else am I going to
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do? I don't know what else
am I going to do. I gotta
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I actually enjoy it as much as
they like. People like to complain about
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it or whatever. You know what, I think a lot of people realize
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it now to especially like in the
last few months. People want to get
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back to work. Right they been, you know, how to work because
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of Covid you know, prior to
that, and February they're complaining about their
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job, you know, and may
there like I just want go back to
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work. I just want go back
to work because it's a party, it's
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a part of who you are.
You touched on it and I think my
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dear wife and I, we bought
our first home three days ago. Three
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days ago, yeah, apartment,
not a home, I mean not a
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house, but an apartment. And, as you and I mentioned at the
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beginning I didn't care so much.
I'm like, we can come here,
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we can go there, it doesn't
matter. But the joy that it brought
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my dear wife I have. I
mean she's been asking me for home for
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fourteen years. We moved back and
forth from Canada creecer. But the the
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on her, the burden that that
represented of not having that security or that
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the nest, I saw lifted that
day. And it's all thanks to our
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real estate agent. Yeah, right, we set that up and and and
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we know that as real estate agents, you know, we might look like
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we're talking to you, but we're
really talking to her. Like you know,
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to sell anything right, you you
sell with the motion and and you
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back it up with logic, right, and this is where the guys come
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in, you know, that's where
you make it logical sense. You know,
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you hit the wife of the emotion
of it, because that's how they're
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going to make their buying decisions,
and you back it up with logic because
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that's how the guy thinks. And
really it makes sense. She was overwhelmed
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with joy and she still is,
because it's the process isn't done, but
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she's quite happy that we started it. It was logical for you, because
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it's now here's a heavy way happy
life. Anyone out there listening? By
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the House, by the House,
a house. So I appreciate Robert.
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Thank you very much, sir,
and you've been a gentleman through this whole
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thing and you've brought me down a
road that I will not soon forget.
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Good, let enjoyed it. No, I truly did go watches her because
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you know, Jack, remember,
I got it right here, right here,
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if it's not too larious, man. Thank you, sir. Talk
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to you her. Thank you.
By her. Thank you for listening to
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this episode of why we work with
Brian Ving. Be Sure to subscribe,
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follow and share with others so they
too can be encouraged in their work.
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I hope that you have yourself a
productive, be a joyful day in your
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work.
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Welcome to why we work, with
your host, Brian V as he speaks
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to people like you from all over
the world as we together dive deeper into
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our motivations, struggles, joys,
seemingly missteps, hopes, warnings and advice
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which would be an encouragement to us
all to get up, get going and
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keep on working. Working's tough,
but working's good. Now here's your host
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to why we work, Brian V. I'm Brian be at why we work,
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and I have the great pleasure of
being here with Mr Robert O'Connor.
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Good day, sir, hey a
doing. I was just commenting. I'm
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well. Thank you on that great
backdrop and I think anyone who watches this
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will hope that they were there with
you. Yeah, I wish I was.
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Actually, I wish it was.
It's like that right now. We're
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expected a tropical storm here in the
next couple days, so it's a little
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it's the com before the store,
but it's not sonny out in terms of
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work. Robert, can you give
us a rundown, a little history of
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how you came into where you are
now and all the way back from when
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you were a kid, when you
had your first job man. Well,
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it's interesting like actually and actuality.
My father helped me start my first driving
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actually it was like he bought me
a hot docer. So I was like
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in business from the get go.
How I was just turned sixteen. I
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was actually like fifteen, turning sixteen
when he bought it. Yeah, because,
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you know, I wasn't able to
drive it myself to where I had
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to set up. So but as
I turned sixteen I was able to go
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on, but he would literally drive
me to wherever we were setting up and
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I would get out make hot dogs
all day. And there's actually where it
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was. What state is this?
This is a New York in New York.
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Saw Dogs in New York, right. Yeah, well, yeah,
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not in the city, but upstate. So it did a lot of special
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events. You know, I'll still
a kid going to school and stuff.
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So yeah, we did a lot
of a lot of like softball games,
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parades, things of that. So
I did you start that? Why did
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he buy that for you? What
was what was his motivation or your motivation
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to want to start? You know, it was actually his idea. I
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didn't. I think he had the
idea. He wanted to sell those,
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but he didn't want to be the
one doing any want to be the one
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doing it. Yeah, so I
end up be in his employee I guess,
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even though it was mine, called
the Bob's Weiner Wagon. But you
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know, like things get tense if
you better, business would like family,
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you know, and I'm a young
kid. So I did it for a
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year. I was making great money. I mean I make a thousand dollars
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in the day, you know,
sixteen years old. So, but that
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that friction between, you know,
me and my bother owner and employee.
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Yeah, it didn't didn't go so
well. So I like quit doing it
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and I went't got a real job. So well, what was that,
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if you don't mind me asking?
What was the big contention with you too?
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Not In the relationship, but what
was what were you not liking about
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the like I said, your relationship? I mean I was, you know,
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our relationship at the time. You
know, I'm just coming up and
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we're both kind of like Alfa's and
I, you know, I kind of
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wanted to do my own thing.
So, like when we started and we
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were under, you know as under
the impression that it was mine, I
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would get to do it when I
wanted to. But then you know if
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I was missing out on an event
or something like that of my my re
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end. Yeah, so, and
that's toff at sixteen, right. You're
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like, Dad, I want to
go play my friends, I want to
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go. Yeah, I want to
go to I was getting into girls and
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stuff like Ts. Want to be
on a date and you know, I
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was an immature obviously at that time. So, but it was it was
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an expired experience. You know,
I learned about business right off the right
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off the bat. And how that? What was he doing at that point?
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What was your dad doing at that
point? My father was. He
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worked for the DOT in New York. You would go around inspect bridges,
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okay, that's sort of thing,
rose traffic patterns. After you quit your
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first job, what what happened?
What did you do after that? I
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said going to be away. Remember
how it came up about. But I
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went to work for a movie theater
as a movie so it's like a seemed
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like a good fit. So I
went to movie theater that was in the
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mall and then originally began as like
a ticket taker. We can popcorn and
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that cold sort of thing, but
I soon moved up to projections, which
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was, you know, like what
all the cool kids did. So I
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learned how to, you know,
do roll the film and through the projectors
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and go and hit the start times
and I worked bet job for three years.
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How did you make the transition for
making a thousand dollars a day?
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Yeah, you not making a thousand
dollars a day, because I'm really sure.
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I mean me, and I was
a kid, so I didn't have
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a lot of expenses at the time. So yeah, it's not like,
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you know, all the money I
was making. I was blowing as fast
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as I need it regardless. I
just needed a car, still living at
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my folks house. It was,
you know, because the thousand dollars a
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day wasn't consistent. You know,
that was like, you know, and
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one day like at a parade,
like at an event, normally, like
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the normal events. That was like
every week we're like softball games, which
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I would still make three four hundred
dollars in a couple of hours. So
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it was spread out. But yeah, I was only making at the movie
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theater like I want to say,
like six bucks, maybe seven dollars.
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I then the added bonus for you
was that your boss was not your father
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as well. Yeah, and there
was fringe benefits, its popular and free
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movies. Free movies, right.
That's always how it cod yeah, three
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years of that. That brings you
ups up almost till twenty. Is that
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correct? Nineteen. Yeah, so
I went to went off to you know,
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I went to college. What was
your what was your mission to go
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to college? What did you want
to do and what was your end?
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Goes on a path, you know, coming out of high school, graduating.
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I want the estate trooper, New
York State Trooper. was there anyone
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in your family that was a trooper
or, you know, out of the
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first generation? It's just something that
I wanted to do. So I started
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college, Major and in Criminal Justice
and during that first year I had a
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longtime girlfriend that I actually met at
the movie theater and we've been dating for,
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you know, quite some time,
since early since I've like first year,
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sixteen or seventeen, and they're my
second semester. She got pregnant.
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So at that same time the casino
was opening near my an Indian casino on
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near my house, and of course
they come out and they're advertising positions are
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going to be available and you know
you're going to make all this money.
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There's all these great benefits and so
on, so forth. Well, I
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kind of figured, you know,
I had to get a job and you
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had some pressure on the other side. Now, yeah, because up in
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New York you'd have to have a
bachelor's degree to become a state trooper.
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But was looking at three more years
of college. I have time for that.
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So they actually borrowed some money for
my board because we had to pay
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for Black Jack School and I was
still working at the at the movie theater.
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So I was going to school for
Black Jacket like five in the morning,
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five hour days for six weeks,
eight weeks me before it casino open,
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and halfway through it I was about
to go back to college because that
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the girlfriend and I separated and you
know, she went off and and didn't
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have a baby. So sorry,
you said, you said didn't did not
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yet did not. Okay. So
here I was like kind of a precipice.
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You know what I do? I
go back to school and do that.
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And I sat down with my Black
Jack Teachers and I said, I
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think I'm going to leave, go
back to you know, on my oath.
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They're like no, you're so good, you know, and I was.
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That was kind of actual like I'm
pretty good at picking up on things
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like really quick and they said,
you know, you'd be great, you
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can make so much money, blah, Blah Blah. Just give it a
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chance, you finish out the fishop
the class. So I did and I
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got in the Casino, started doing
you know, started baking money, which
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up there is good where I was, is a lot better than what I
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was making the movie theater. But
for a time I worked, you know,
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both for part time at the movie
theater, really just to kind of
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keep my fringe benefits hopcorn thee movies. Yeah, but that didn't last long
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because working full time Sinos was draining
to see. Yeah, I would say
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that movie theater might be a little
more relaxing. I mean probably a stressed
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at times, but versus a casino, where it's like being in a hotel
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or something, you always have to
be on your a game and everyone's there
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for the best experience and you need
to provide that for someone. Yeah,
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and especially, you know, dealing
cards, you're always you know, your
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rocks and all the time you have
to be paying attention. So many things
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are happening. But that's how I
got that's how I got put on that
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path and I never did return to
college, to fish and the state trooper,
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which like right about now. I've
been close to retire and fully I
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know can care. You look at
some people now, they're forty, fifty
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and then the retired. I'm like, Oh, where did I go wrong?
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So many different ways, but they
still to now the casino business man.
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It's been quite a journey, you
know. It's in that for twenty
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seven years. I'm still involved with
actually. So how has that progress for
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you from you started a table dealing
and we're had that. Where did that
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take you? Well, you know, again I was young at the time,
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nineteen years old, and the only
reason I could become a dealer at
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that casino at Nineteen, or most
casinos were twenty one, is met did
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not serve alcohol for the first several
years because the try mothers, you know,
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folded it down. They didn't want
alcohol as part of the part of
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the deal. So I was able
to work at nineteen years old and I
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was the youngest dealer at the time
in the whole casino for about eight months
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and then any other kid came to
the but you know, and as one
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of those things I picked up really
quick I got really good within a couple
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months. I was in the highlander
all the time, like Jack, and
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I was making good money for my
age. So I, you know,
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screwed around and if you know the
casino business, it's a it's the party
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atmosphere, and did a lot of
party from there deal. What was the
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question again? Well, how did
you move up in I mean you look
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at the movie casino like to the
eye in the sky type thing, like
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did you stay? You said,
twenty seven years, a dealer for twenty
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seven years or we do know all
more boss those sorts of things. Yeah,
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I mean I've been as high up
as an assisticncino manager. But you
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know, what happened was so,
you know, you can boar deal one
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game. You can't just deal Black
Jack all the time. Well, at
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least nothing. You know, I
like really bored, so I started picking
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up all the other games. You
no crabs and we're lad all the baker
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rock games and stuff like that.
So as I was doing crashed. You
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know again, I got good really
quick. I think we're talking ninety three,
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so like ninety seven I got it's
on a crab game. You know,
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like I said, he kind of
become a Prima Donna. They always
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say that, like casino dealers are
Prima Donna's and you know, you think
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you're on top of everything, chipping
sting. So I got into a tive
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with one of my box versions over
the way I was dealing and we had
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already made plans, me and a
couple other dealers, that we were going
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to you know, he actually,
my friend told me about the casino boats
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in Florida. Yeah, I didn't
know anything about the time up to this
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point. You've been in New York
the whole time. Yeah, I've been
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at this one casino and had I
thought about movement? You know, not
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really. I mean we spoken look
going to Vegas. You know, I
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had some friends already at that point
that had left and the Vegas. Some
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had on to like Detroit, opencasing. Those are some Connecticut box woods,
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but I didn't know anybody that went
to Florida. My friend told me about
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the boat. It's like I got
into this this issue that this one box
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person here with me and I was
like, you know what I'm going now?
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I'm going to check out Florida,
you know. So I went down
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on vacasion, book the flight,
stayed in Orlando. The boats were in
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Cape Canaver and went over there and
tried it out. When on the boat,
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you know, first of all,
I've never been on the ocean.
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They don't have a boat, so
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So I was like, I just
want to make sure I was good
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with it. And when out there, they put me right on a table
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and audition, an audition. Okay, okay, and you all you go
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on there to deal with few hands, like like how did how did you
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feel for that audition? That,
when your state, you're on a boat,
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is new territory for you. How
did you actually feel, even though,
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what did you say? You Have
Prima Donna, you are a Prima
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Donna New York. You go down
that Florida. How did you actually feel?
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I was big stuff up there.
Now I'm like nervous, I'm on
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a boat, my legs are wobbly, I'm sweat and bullets in front of
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the scree people. What it was? It was like dealing drunk is what
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it was like, you know,
but I apparently I did a really good
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job. So I went back.
You know, I enjoyed the rest of
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my vacation and I went back to
New York and within a week they called
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me and said, you know,
come on down the job tears and they
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were making real good money, because
now I'm more than double my handkle by
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that move. You know, it's
a smaller boat and they were it was
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hard to get in to the found
these boats. They were taking people vagus
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from far away as England. So
because it was probably the best pain dealing
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job in the country. And so
they you had to have all the games.
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You had to be very proficient have
but you mentioned the Games and I
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want to ask ask this, sorry
about in New York. How difficult was
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it? You said it's necessary because
you couldn't do blackjack the whole time.
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How difficult was it to transition from
like? Does a casino generally offer you
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some training, or is it just
something you have to watch? You may
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even have to play and say I
need to get some experience with this.
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How is the transition from table so
that it gave you the experience you need?
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You needed to go down to Florida. Well, some games, you
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know, they you can you can
train on the game. Right. So
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an art casino you had to pay
for the Games, but you also in
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return, you got a raised to
your base Da. So you're badly.
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The way you get paid is,
you know, your base rate plus tips,
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and the tips are figured out.
It's different different places, but there
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it was like I'm an hourly,
you know. So they pulled all the
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tips for that aulided it by all
the hours worked and that was great.
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So craps, you learned a dollar
more per hour on your base ry because
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it was the most difficult game.
Is The casino to do. So once
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you were on the craft schedule,
that's what you were. Crabs dealer that
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sometimes when though, black Chack,
all the other games like, we let
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out stuff like that. It was
a twenty by center. So you can
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Max out on your base. I
think they're the Max of seven hundred and
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twenty five. So I'm maxed and
I still have more games, but I
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can learning money. So how they
max the Games in terms of difficulty?
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What is the difficult part of it? What makes a game? How do
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they define the difficulty of a card
game from for the other probably the moving
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parts, you know, and perhaps
there's a lot of moving parts. Yeah,
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Black Jack is pretty straightforward. A
lot of Folker Games are pretty straight
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forward. What we call novelties are
like let it ride, you know,
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big six wheel or whatever it is. Those are what they consider novelties.
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Pretty much anybody can can deal them
once you know the basics of gaming.
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So those ones you would learn on
the job. You don't really necessarily go
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to the class. Maybe go to
like a two hour thing. F It's
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something you never know. Usually they're
like get on the game and deal it.
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At the time, like at the
at my first casino op in New
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York, it was a lot of
Atlantic City guys that opened our casino and
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back then things were done a little
differently than they are now, you know,
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so they're so yeah, I was
gonna say like did you find things
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were fair, like, if you
can say fair for the tailors? Was
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it fair for you? Was it
was it? Was it right or you
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just this was the job you're doing
and it was good? It was.
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It was different. It was a
culture shock for a lot of people,
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especially up in that area, because
it's it was mostly, you know,
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a world the casine was located like
a world area between two medium sized cities,
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it's being Syracuse, and between like
circus. All the he's circustituted a
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lot of people weren't used to that
kind of atmosphere. So you had a
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lot of union workers and stuff like
that up there. Man, that stuffing
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fly at this. See those guys. I got a card. Yeah,
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yeah, I've seen I mean I
seen dealers just like walk off the table
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and just leave, you know,
throw their badge on the ground. I
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mean I see the Guy Punch out
one of the Pitman MM. Because the
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pit managers they were rough, you
know, they had a thick skin,
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because they would write you and give
you a hard time. So, yeah,
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when I say it was different,
it was very different. He's to
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get kicked in the shins a lot, you know, from under the table.
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I never had to manager come by
and kicking it. If you were
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losing like a lot of money,
like hand to went hand kickings, you
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lose this next singing it's so did
that make you become a better pit manager
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yourself? Oh, yeah, it
was more about learning what not to do,
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you know, then what to do. I saw a lot of and
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I know how that made me feel
at the time. You know, it's
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kind of I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I had kind of the
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the old school where procedures really mattered, and then, as I grew throughout
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my casine up, things kind of
shifted two more customer service was more important
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than procedures. Right. So,
at the time it is like procedure,
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procedure, procedure, you know,
when money and then it became you know
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what, they were more confident in
the odds of the game and went in
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by keeping the players there and keep
it up happy, right. Yeah.
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So, yeah, there was a
shift in the whole industry where that old
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school kind of you know, mean
pit manager like standing that and not taught.
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I must have been a hard transition
for a lot of people. Oh
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yeah, yeah, there's people that
you know are out there that still I
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don't think I transition fully, but
but they've had through at things are much
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better now than they were back then. It was, you know, I
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was a kid, so I didn't
really know any I just saw this is
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the way it is. You know, I've had two managers come to me.
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I was losing, you know,
I'm doing like Jack. They said
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dump the dump the shoe. I'm
like, where does that even mean?
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I'm like I don't know if it
means. If that shoe don't hit the
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floor in two seconds, you're going
the office. Or whatever. I was
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like, okay, whoops, shoe
got dropped on the floor. Cards everywhere
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up. Sorry, you guys show
pulling that over, start over. Yeah,
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things like monster kilter. Yeah,
yeah, stuff like that. But
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yeah, so, you know,
I went and and going to transitioning down
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the Florida on the casino boats.
You know, we're in New York or
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wearing, you know, the Tuxedo
shirts and old tie. Everything's real tight.
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I went to Florida, everything's really
loose. Things Island, right.
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So now you got silk, you
know, like Hawaiian shirts on it.
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Everything collar real comfortable. I think
we were Khaki's that those way more laid
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back. It was a total shift, total chream. So did you get
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any friction leaving New York from anyone, whether your work or family or all?
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Right, fact, well, a
little bit. I mean they're like,
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you know where you going, why
you doing that? So it's like
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we had plans. So the guys
that told me about the boats, you
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know, they stuck around New York
for about six months. So I kind
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of went down. There's that up
shop. Got It, got a my
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first book place with a condor.
It on the Beach Cocoa Beach and that
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was beautiful, totally furnished. All
I had was my whatever I could fit
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in my truck at the time.
That's all I want. I came down
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with and, like I said,
is a different, totally different feel.
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Young Kid, new place. Was
I twenty three at the time? Yeah,
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twenty three. There's young pop.
Yeah, and you know, the
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Party and was even even harder when
I got there. So it is even
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more because it's different, like with
we're I was coming from a seven casino.
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Twenty four hours on the boats.
You know, it's a day trip.
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You'd go off for two or I
think at the time we went out
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three times a day, one after
night, but you all quit at the
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same time. So, yeah,
the boat clothes came back and where are
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we going? Is, yeah,
you're at the bar here next door all
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everybody. So it is a different
scene. But I brought a lot of
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a lot of the guys that were
that I worked with the New York you
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know, I said this is great, you know, come down, I'm
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making a ton of money. There's
no snow to can then way, you
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know. You know, it's like
paradise. So a lot, a lot
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of people came down. I end
up a friend of mine, colleague that
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came down at the same time I
did, but he came down and supervisor
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role and he was a supervisor in
New York with me or for me,
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and he convinced me into becoming a
supervisor. So I did it. became
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a supervisor. Opening came up and
I started being one of those, you
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know, one of those people that
sit box on the crappine and for the
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game, sort of learning different things, but I still young. That's twenty
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three, twenty four. I think
I was twenty four by that point and
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I picked up on it quick like
I do everything else. And we actually
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got bought out at some point in
there, because we started out its like
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diamond well and the Sun cruise bought
us, which they were at the time
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of the largest, you know.
They owned several books throughout the State Florida,
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and we got our old mammally are
you know, we got a new
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management, new people came in and
a were the managers happy to be actually
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a CACO manager, happy to be
a shift manager of mine from New York,
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one of those last word, I
guess. See this is like it's
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crazy, because you say it's a
small world, like this business is even
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smaller. You know, you might
be working with somebody for years and then
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not working for him for years and
then like a little while later you're working
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in somewhere else with them again.
Yeah, pop up. It's having several
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times to me. But this guy, he was a he was a was
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hard nosed and you know when you
saw him you were not happy to see
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this guy. Or at first you
were like well, I mean you can
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do this. You kind of are
because you know them that you know there's
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some connection to the past. But
I knew how he was and it was
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kind of, you know, a
hard ass, and you could be,
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but he was, you know,
he was one of those guys that was
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like if you don't, if you're
not happy here, you know, there's
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the door. We only want happy
people. All right, it's just that
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it's probably was, and you know, to that like I could expect it
353
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now, you know, I know
he's trying to say, but he was
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part of that old school, but
he was hound. He's a little more
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human. In the beginning, you
know, we didn't have a close relationship.
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In fact, and this is where
the story gets interesting, is I
357
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had a complete blow out with them
where. I mean I almost like we
358
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had a it almost came to blows, like right here, new money.
359
00:31:53.380 --> 00:31:56.339
You're twenty five. How old is
guy? Twenty four? I was twenty
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four the time. He's like sixty
something. Okay, yeah, probably young,
361
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early S so yeah, we had
a drag out blow out in the
362
00:32:07.170 --> 00:32:09.890
something stupid. You know. It's
just me being in the turn like I
363
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you know, there wasn't a lot
of people on the bow. We used
364
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to have a jump list, is
what they called it. So basically,
365
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if you did if they didn't need
you, based on the amount of people
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that are on the on the ship, they would send you home if you
367
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were on this list, you know. So I wanted to go out with
368
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my boys and go go drink.
Everyone wants to be on the list.
369
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Yeah, yeah, so are Ye
jump that? Yeah, the jump list,
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you know, and they would let
you know like last minute, just
371
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before they're about to pull the game. They hope it. Yeah, sometimes
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when you were jumping off off the
boat, I'm the gangway to get out
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of there. But yeah, I
mean he kept for no reason at all
374
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and like we got a huge argument, I mean huge argument, whereas like
375
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I went home and I was like
you know, after the you know,
376
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you calm down everything you're thinking like
wow, I like get fired, I
377
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might, you know, reality sets
in. I might lose my job because
378
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it is so we were still mad
at each other. He kind of took
379
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a personally. You know, I
took it personally, but I decided at
380
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that moment that I wasn't going to
give him anything to get me out.
381
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I knew I was going to get
ridden and I knew I was going to
382
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be challenged. So I knew that
I had A to walk a tight rope.
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I just wasn't going to buy what. I wasn't going to engage in
384
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any activities. I didn't need to
belong and I was going to just do
385
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exactly. If he said something,
I was just going to do it.
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I wasn't going to argue it,
I was going to just do it best
387
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I could. And it's like a
time of growing up for me. Right.
388
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.599
So, did you try? You
said, did you have anyone to
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00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:21.239
talk to at that point? I
did you confide, but, like,
390
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:24.869
I mean, there is ice in
that situation. Yeah, you know,
391
00:34:25.070 --> 00:34:30.030
there's guys I came up with.
There's a guy's about my age, maybe
392
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like year old of me. He
was also from New York, but he'd
393
00:34:32.909 --> 00:34:37.860
been down on the boats. He
had gone to another on the west coast,
394
00:34:37.940 --> 00:34:44.860
Tampa, like Brian. Now he
you know, I looked up to
395
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him and he would sit, you
know, we would talk about it and
396
00:34:50.019 --> 00:34:53.090
he's like, may just be there. You know, walk tight rope.
397
00:34:53.530 --> 00:34:58.730
You know, some times are saying
like Oh, you should go apologize and
398
00:34:58.889 --> 00:35:02.809
this that, and you know,
I wasn't quite to that point. Yeah,
399
00:35:05.489 --> 00:35:08.800
we're going to apologize. I might
keep my mouth at but I'm not.
400
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:15.360
Yeah, I I just, yeah, cut my mouth. So I
401
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:21.320
cut my nose down and I did
work and I worked really, really hard.
402
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:25.150
I didn't like literally, there's nothing
I was so clean and everything I
403
00:35:25.269 --> 00:35:35.190
did and we didn't talk like at
all, like we did not other than
404
00:35:35.630 --> 00:35:37.900
unless it was one hundred percent relevant, like him just telling me to do
405
00:35:38.019 --> 00:35:42.619
something was just me saying okay and
going and doing it. You know,
406
00:35:42.780 --> 00:35:49.980
we didn't we didn't engage. So
that went on for about six months and
407
00:35:50.369 --> 00:35:57.050
it was actually him. You know, that came to me as like he
408
00:35:57.130 --> 00:36:00.769
goes, you know, he goes. You don't know how close you were
409
00:36:00.809 --> 00:36:07.719
to getting fired? I think,
yeah, I do. He's like he
410
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:12.639
goes, I wanted to fire you
so bad he was. I was looking
411
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:15.320
for anything, any reason to he
goes. You never gave me one,
412
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:22.150
and he's like because he did.
You know, he would challenge me at
413
00:36:22.190 --> 00:36:25.630
times, you know, telling me
to do stuff that you normally you wouldn't
414
00:36:25.630 --> 00:36:29.829
would I do. You know,
I was just like okay, I'll do
415
00:36:29.869 --> 00:36:38.699
it, and he he, I
guess, was surprised by me, like
416
00:36:39.059 --> 00:36:45.980
impressed that he value or workability.
Right, if he did, any vague
417
00:36:45.019 --> 00:36:50.570
might work. You know that like
when I put my nose down and did
418
00:36:50.650 --> 00:36:53.730
it, I was committed and I
was really good at it. You know,
419
00:36:53.769 --> 00:36:58.409
I would go and at the Times. So, like you know,
420
00:36:58.610 --> 00:37:02.519
some of the things that you did
in between cruises was every time you had
421
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:07.400
to come back in, you had
three miles to do everything, like close
422
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:09.920
the tables and everything. So you're
closing table, your reading the rack,
423
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:17.030
which is counting all the chips and
Inn Torion. So I was like super
424
00:37:17.070 --> 00:37:21.309
quick at that, like I could
read the rack and I would just sprattle
425
00:37:21.389 --> 00:37:24.510
off the numbers and he prided himself. He thought he was quick. So
426
00:37:24.750 --> 00:37:29.750
he wanted to start running with me
because it would take two managers to do
427
00:37:29.949 --> 00:37:34.059
it and one would be calling out
the numbers when we'd be doing it and
428
00:37:34.139 --> 00:37:38.579
then adding them up, and I
was like lightning whole and he wanted the
429
00:37:38.619 --> 00:37:45.369
challenge and I would always beat them, he feel like. So, anyway,
430
00:37:45.489 --> 00:37:53.289
we saw our relationship was kind of
was better right once, once he
431
00:37:55.369 --> 00:37:59.880
said that to me once, you
know, like I then is when I
432
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:07.599
apologized, you know, for my
actions, you know. So I was
433
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:12.909
kind of back in the saddle again. Rights I was in as good grace
434
00:38:12.989 --> 00:38:21.989
has things went on and like six
months after that, Position Open Belt for
435
00:38:22.269 --> 00:38:29.739
Assistant Casino Manager, and he was
my he he came to me and said,
436
00:38:29.780 --> 00:38:37.099
I'm going to recommend you. Imagine
that. I wouldn't never earlier year
437
00:38:37.219 --> 00:38:42.409
before, yeah, you're earlier,
I was as close to losing my job
438
00:38:43.929 --> 00:38:51.369
and and then a year later I'm
like being recommended for from the guy that
439
00:38:51.849 --> 00:38:58.679
was actually going to fire me.
Actually got a big thing, and of
440
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:06.960
course I got the I got the
job pretty much uncontended and I was the
441
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:12.909
youngest that I know of to get
that high of a position at that age,
442
00:39:12.909 --> 00:39:16.710
at twenty five years old. I
was in charge of the boat,
443
00:39:17.230 --> 00:39:24.300
so when he wasn't there, it
was my boat. I like we did
444
00:39:24.380 --> 00:39:29.099
everything. There was a lot.
It wasn't just table games. Like we
445
00:39:29.219 --> 00:39:32.619
told the boat when we're leaving,
we told them what will coming back and
446
00:39:32.780 --> 00:39:40.449
said we made all the decisions related
to the operation of the boat. So,
447
00:39:40.769 --> 00:39:45.690
like I did some in that one
year's time, like some major growing
448
00:39:45.730 --> 00:39:52.090
up. Did you find that not
being on the tables? Did you enjoy
449
00:39:52.250 --> 00:39:54.840
that more? Did you find that
easier? Because there's a whole another ball
450
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:59.440
of stress that can go with that
too. Righte all right, you know,
451
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:05.440
I don't get stressed much. You
Got I'm pretty level, like even
452
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.949
keel kind of guy, and that's
why I think, you know, I
453
00:40:07.110 --> 00:40:12.190
do well in high limit rooms and
deal with high you know, mom on
454
00:40:12.309 --> 00:40:19.030
some money because of just my is
in my nature, just how I am.
455
00:40:20.230 --> 00:40:22.260
A lot of dealers, a lot
of people get freaked out, you
456
00:40:22.340 --> 00:40:27.940
know, they see lots of money
and they're just like they freeze, you
457
00:40:27.980 --> 00:40:30.500
know, there they can deal in
the headlights or they get shaky. It
458
00:40:30.699 --> 00:40:35.969
just just tras here making us you're
making a thousand dollars a day and hotdog
459
00:40:36.050 --> 00:40:39.650
stands. Yeah, I had no
problem. It didn't phase you, and
460
00:40:39.809 --> 00:40:43.969
then phase me. Man, I
was I was singing hot dogs and most
461
00:40:44.010 --> 00:40:51.719
fifteen. But yeah, I just
didn't get phased by it. But it's
462
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:57.719
definitely a lot more going on behind
the tables then you would think at the
463
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.559
time. At the time, you
know, when you're dealer, you're looking
464
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:02.920
back and you're like, what are
these guys do? It's like they just
465
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:07.429
staying there all day not doing anything. You know, here you're pumping cards
466
00:41:07.469 --> 00:41:10.989
or whatever, and you think they're
not doing anything. But then you get
467
00:41:12.030 --> 00:41:16.469
to that position and you're like wow, there's way more to it than it
468
00:41:16.590 --> 00:41:22.980
appears. You're just looking at it
through a different Lens, right. So
469
00:41:23.139 --> 00:41:30.500
you're you're not focused on just your
game and the five or six players that
470
00:41:30.699 --> 00:41:35.329
you're you have in front of you. You know, you're you got all
471
00:41:35.570 --> 00:41:38.130
these, you know. So now
your your vision has to open up.
472
00:41:38.449 --> 00:41:44.289
You have to see everything. And
he like took me under his wing and
473
00:41:45.489 --> 00:41:50.440
you know, even before he put
me up, you know, really after
474
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.679
we made up, before he promoted
me, you know, he kind of
475
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:58.920
took me under his might, his
wing and mentored me. You know,
476
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:04.070
it started stone me the intricacies and
all this and the stuff you should be
477
00:42:04.150 --> 00:42:07.670
looking for. They taught me how
to count cards. You know, because
478
00:42:07.710 --> 00:42:12.230
that was something I was going to
have to learn to identify. You'll be
479
00:42:12.309 --> 00:42:16.099
able to see see you gout,
you know. You got to learn how
480
00:42:16.179 --> 00:42:21.300
to cheat, to catch the cheats, the cheat. Yeah, yeah,
481
00:42:22.139 --> 00:42:28.139
so, and he just like open. My vision like open, you know.
482
00:42:28.219 --> 00:42:34.849
Now I'm looking and notice some people's
body language, you know, and
483
00:42:34.969 --> 00:42:39.010
there's a lot you can tell,
you can pick up on just by their
484
00:42:39.090 --> 00:42:45.000
body language. You know, even
with the dealers and with the players,
485
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:50.480
you'd say something's going on over there
and you go and look. So I
486
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:54.159
learned a lot there in that time. Is He is? Did you catch
487
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:58.440
some cheaters? Is that? Is
that a big thing? Like? I
488
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:00.190
mean there's probably a lot who tried
or, to think about it, anyone
489
00:43:00.269 --> 00:43:05.150
who wanted a dollar thought of an
easier way to get it. But he
490
00:43:05.309 --> 00:43:10.269
catch a lot, is it?
In my years I've caught several. I've
491
00:43:10.389 --> 00:43:19.980
caught card counters, including the main
guy from twenty one, the the movie,
492
00:43:20.460 --> 00:43:24.260
the guy that m guy that that
really started the whole card county revolution,
493
00:43:24.300 --> 00:43:34.050
him wearing a disguise twice, two
times. Parts of this team.
494
00:43:35.849 --> 00:43:45.719
We've caught and I've caught slot cheats
as a assistant casino manager. I've caught
495
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:58.550
people with a fake money more than
cheese a bunch of times. The interesting
496
00:43:58.670 --> 00:44:05.429
one was the day of the that
caught the slot cheese. I technically I
497
00:44:05.550 --> 00:44:10.099
hadn't kept rough my my surveillance person
did, but I was the casino manager
498
00:44:10.260 --> 00:44:14.739
on the on the boat. I
was in charge that day. And what
499
00:44:14.940 --> 00:44:19.219
is it they're doing to cheat?
There are no cheaters. They were known.
500
00:44:19.579 --> 00:44:22.460
That what they used to have as
a black book. They called at
501
00:44:22.460 --> 00:44:25.570
the Griffin Book. That was that
went around to all the casinos. So
502
00:44:25.650 --> 00:44:30.050
if you made the book, you
know it means you've been caught before or
503
00:44:30.929 --> 00:44:35.969
were highly suspected of shooting or you're
blacklisted out of they gets or whatever.
504
00:44:37.889 --> 00:44:42.719
And this is a team of three
people and they were in there in the
505
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:47.360
book. But what they were doing
is they had a pretty intricate way of
506
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:51.880
doing things. So you know how
slot machines are usually in a row.
507
00:44:52.469 --> 00:45:00.389
So it was an old lady,
older lady and to like middle aged the
508
00:45:00.510 --> 00:45:05.469
couple. So the older lady would
sit at the end of the slot machines
509
00:45:05.829 --> 00:45:13.219
as a lookout, while the couple
one would the lady would obviously would kind
510
00:45:13.219 --> 00:45:19.300
of cover for her husband and he
would have what they call a slug or
511
00:45:19.420 --> 00:45:24.289
a like a Jimmy, that they
would just stick down the coins the coin
512
00:45:24.369 --> 00:45:30.130
slot and they would give themselves credit. So they would trigger the mechanism that
513
00:45:30.449 --> 00:45:35.130
thought coins were going in there.
So it give them a bunch of credits.
514
00:45:35.250 --> 00:45:38.920
Then they would hit the cash out
and all those coins would come out,
515
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:46.280
but the machine. So my surveillance
person at the time calls me down
516
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:52.150
to this fans room to check it
out and I looked, you know,
517
00:45:52.269 --> 00:46:00.869
and definitely at that's what was going
on. We're cheating. So my I
518
00:46:00.989 --> 00:46:07.059
call my like the vice president of
gaming for all the sun crews, and
519
00:46:07.300 --> 00:46:08.820
I tell him what's going on.
He's like, well know, you got
520
00:46:08.940 --> 00:46:13.739
to get the you got to get
the device that they're using the cheat with.
521
00:46:15.340 --> 00:46:21.409
So as were as I'm talking to
him, the surveillance kind of talking
522
00:46:21.489 --> 00:46:24.489
to security and the security guard kind
of spooks them. It goes by the
523
00:46:24.570 --> 00:46:30.969
machines and spools. So they grab
their buckets of coins and they go to
524
00:46:31.090 --> 00:46:38.280
the the catch can share to catch
him out. So immediately called the moment
525
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:43.280
vice president is like, do not
cash him out, don't don't cash him
526
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:45.559
out. So I go out there, I tell him I'm sorry, we
527
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:50.349
can't catch you out right now.
We just have to review a few things
528
00:46:50.670 --> 00:46:57.150
and you know we'll be right with
you. So we try to get you,
529
00:46:57.269 --> 00:47:00.150
try to get up with them rinks
out there. Fo Yeah, so
530
00:47:00.309 --> 00:47:06.539
they go. You know, now
they've split up to so they've separated.
531
00:47:06.659 --> 00:47:09.380
Now the two ladies are together and
the guy kind of goes off into the
532
00:47:09.619 --> 00:47:13.619
we had like a lounge with a
bar and everything in the back of the
533
00:47:13.699 --> 00:47:15.329
boat. They got nowhere to go. You know, it's not like a
534
00:47:15.409 --> 00:47:17.610
land base, because you know where
they could just went out the door.
535
00:47:19.210 --> 00:47:22.809
They got nowhere to go around mid
the ocean. So we got them trap.
536
00:47:23.170 --> 00:47:29.969
So they go, you know,
we tell we tell the security not
537
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:35.519
to sight of them. They go
into the bathroom and this is where we
538
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:44.630
think they they got rid of the
Jimmy that they were using. But I
539
00:47:45.150 --> 00:47:50.630
I tell the vice president. So
I'm calling them back and forth and he's
540
00:47:50.670 --> 00:47:52.949
like you got to get that stuff. He's like you got to get them
541
00:47:52.949 --> 00:47:58.780
alone and get get that. I'm
like all right, so I grab a
542
00:47:58.820 --> 00:48:01.500
couple security guards. We find them. Now they're sitting at a table together
543
00:48:01.579 --> 00:48:08.539
and allowunge area and I go to
the security. I'm like come with me.
544
00:48:09.539 --> 00:48:13.730
I go up to the guy,
said listen, I go, can
545
00:48:13.809 --> 00:48:20.289
we have a word with you?
And he's like well, yeah, what
546
00:48:20.409 --> 00:48:22.489
do you want? I go,
well, no, we'd like to have
547
00:48:22.690 --> 00:48:27.280
word with you in private. He's
like, I'm not going anywhere. I
548
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:32.000
got okay. So I go out, I call the vice president, like
549
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:37.480
listen, and like they get the
guy won't go anywhere. He's like refusing
550
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:42.750
it to move, to go talk
to somewhere. He's like listen, the
551
00:48:42.829 --> 00:48:47.949
vice president. He's old school,
old school tag right, old school olds.
552
00:48:50.070 --> 00:48:53.349
I mean he would think he's right
out of like good fellows or something.
553
00:48:54.389 --> 00:48:58.260
He's a listen. He goes,
I don't care what you have to
554
00:48:58.380 --> 00:49:05.260
do. He's like Hadam get them. So I'm like all right. So
555
00:49:05.420 --> 00:49:07.980
now I'm like okay. Actually,
the survey onnce girl, because I was
556
00:49:08.019 --> 00:49:12.530
in the surveance room. I was
talking to him. She's like what do
557
00:49:12.570 --> 00:49:17.329
you say to you? I'm like
I go turn off the cameras. I've
558
00:49:17.329 --> 00:49:21.730
gotta go ahead. She's like,
well, I'M gonna get I go.
559
00:49:21.849 --> 00:49:25.320
Yeah, turn off the cameras to
the back there. She's like really like
560
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:31.840
that. So I go and grab
a couple four guys now plus the security,
561
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:37.909
and I go back there and I
lean into him, I said I
562
00:49:37.989 --> 00:49:44.630
put my hand on his neck and
said listen. I'm like, we need
563
00:49:44.710 --> 00:49:49.349
to talk to you over there.
He's like, I already told you I'm
564
00:49:49.349 --> 00:49:54.539
not going anywhere. I said,
I'm not asking anymore. I go he's
565
00:49:54.579 --> 00:49:59.380
like, where do we got to
go? It sounds like a line that
566
00:49:59.420 --> 00:50:04.420
would be out of good post.
I'm not asking anything. Like where do
567
00:50:04.460 --> 00:50:09.090
we gotta go? I'm like just
over there, beyond those doors. So
568
00:50:09.250 --> 00:50:14.289
I get them. We walks over
there with us. So we get them,
569
00:50:14.329 --> 00:50:17.010
we close the doors and, you
know, we ask him further stuff.
570
00:50:19.090 --> 00:50:22.559
We go looking to the purses and
everything and we find some some paraphernalia,
571
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:25.719
which is like but they called slug
and it's on the end of a
572
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:30.480
strain like us like that he'll floss
or whatever, and that's what they would
573
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:35.320
trigger with. That wasn't the exact
thing that we're using at the time when
574
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:38.070
we call them, but it's a
you know, it's a chief device evidence.
575
00:50:38.150 --> 00:50:44.110
Yeah, yeah, so we get
on. We you know, we
576
00:50:44.230 --> 00:50:49.829
put a week the so the out
there. It's maritime law, right.
577
00:50:50.179 --> 00:50:55.619
So pretty much the captain is like
the sheriff. Yeah, the authority.
578
00:50:57.500 --> 00:51:00.860
So I tell the captain. He
was king freaked out because we hadn't told
579
00:51:00.019 --> 00:51:04.179
what was going on for, as
I said, listen, just arrest them
580
00:51:04.530 --> 00:51:07.730
for now and then we'll turn them
in when we get back. And so
581
00:51:07.809 --> 00:51:14.929
they threw him in handcuffs. We
coup them in this interior room that we
582
00:51:15.050 --> 00:51:22.599
have had that could keep them alone
at sometimes we put people there that got
583
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.960
bulligerent or drunk or whatever. That's
kind of weird. Would hold people.
584
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:34.429
It's like our little jail was just
a rude. So we had a we
585
00:51:34.550 --> 00:51:40.630
had a another guy that was general
manager. He was considered and he didn't
586
00:51:40.670 --> 00:51:45.789
really he didn't know anything about gaming. He came from like the hotel industry
587
00:51:45.829 --> 00:51:50.780
or something right, or restaurant,
and so he and know any think about
588
00:51:50.900 --> 00:51:55.179
game and he was just kind of
supposed to be like like an in between
589
00:51:55.699 --> 00:52:04.250
like departments, you know. So
he was we're trying to coordinate that when
590
00:52:04.289 --> 00:52:07.409
we got back to the docks,
that the police are waiting there. So
591
00:52:08.489 --> 00:52:13.449
we wanted to get them off before, you know, the park and all
592
00:52:13.530 --> 00:52:19.400
the rest of the people. So
I told them I put him in charge
593
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:22.960
of it, this general manager.
I said listen, make sure we get
594
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:28.039
them off first and then the rest
of the patrons can go off. Well,
595
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:30.869
one of the things that used to
do when the benefits for our VIPs
596
00:52:31.469 --> 00:52:37.469
at the time was we would let
them disembark before the general population. The
597
00:52:37.510 --> 00:52:42.590
rest of the people would go off. So he's in the back and he's
598
00:52:42.710 --> 00:52:52.300
trying to hold off the VIPs to
get these guys off first. Well,
599
00:52:52.380 --> 00:52:59.530
he's all stressed out. So one
of the VIPs is like, you know,
600
00:52:59.610 --> 00:53:01.809
let us off the Foh, you
know, listen that come on,
601
00:53:02.130 --> 00:53:10.090
what to ex take US along.
Blahbah Rasin them. And so he gets
602
00:53:10.130 --> 00:53:15.400
he's he's a British guy. You
know here that you know the whole British
603
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:20.079
leg attitude. So he's tell him
to calm down. The guys like,
604
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:24.960
you know, few is one of
our biggest players. And this general managers
605
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:32.190
says you you know, back to
him. And anyways, we get them
606
00:53:32.230 --> 00:53:37.469
off. I'm outside with the police
making a statement, tell them what happened
607
00:53:38.429 --> 00:53:42.699
and doing the statements and I have
one of my managers come over and he's
608
00:53:42.699 --> 00:53:46.699
like hey, we have a problem. You know so and so the drunk
609
00:53:46.739 --> 00:53:54.460
manager he goes told one of the
VIPs you know, Fu and this that,
610
00:53:55.409 --> 00:54:00.849
and the players pissed off and wants
to talk to you. Like man,
611
00:54:01.250 --> 00:54:04.409
I'm like, God, tell you, guys got it another problem.
612
00:54:05.210 --> 00:54:08.530
Yeah, like man, what a
day, right. So I'm like great.
613
00:54:08.570 --> 00:54:10.920
So I go talk to the Claire. I told the COP on,
614
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:14.559
like, you know, give me
a minute. So I go over and
615
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:16.880
talk to the player at comment down. He tells me what happened. So
616
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:22.599
I call the Vice President I've been
talking to all day as a listen.
617
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:28.269
I got this is what happened.
You know, I trying to get the
618
00:54:28.349 --> 00:54:34.269
statement and stuff, and so he's
like go take his badge. That's like
619
00:54:34.429 --> 00:54:39.579
what he's like. Get his badge. He's done. Thank you, he's
620
00:54:39.659 --> 00:54:45.500
done. I was like, I
even do that, like I thought as
621
00:54:45.579 --> 00:54:50.820
like another he's like another manager,
you know, he's I guess he's like
622
00:54:51.739 --> 00:54:53.530
acting on my behalf. He's like
go take his badge and tell him go
623
00:54:53.650 --> 00:54:58.050
on fired. On the spot.
Yeah, on the spot. So I
624
00:54:59.250 --> 00:55:04.610
had to go over there and I
told listen, you know, I said,
625
00:55:04.650 --> 00:55:08.800
I know it's saying easy. Then
I'm like, but you gotta go
626
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:16.480
and use your bad and he's like
he knew he's screwed up. And so
627
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:22.230
he gave it to me left.
I want completed my deposition the cops,
628
00:55:22.750 --> 00:55:28.590
and all this end up being for
nothing because eight months later they end up
629
00:55:28.630 --> 00:55:32.389
dropping the charges and nothing to happen
with these people. They got. Like.
630
00:55:32.510 --> 00:55:36.980
What do you think? What do
you think about people who try that?
631
00:55:37.219 --> 00:55:42.619
I mean, I'm thinking one there, one idiotic for trying, especially
632
00:55:42.659 --> 00:55:45.980
if you're in a casino where people
are a little bit old school, yeah,
633
00:55:46.340 --> 00:55:52.809
but but also pretty brave. It
takes a lot of a lot of
634
00:55:52.889 --> 00:55:59.809
gumption. Yeah, gumption going to
to pull something off like that. A
635
00:55:59.929 --> 00:56:05.559
lot of times what you'll see is
simple things like somebody, when the deal
636
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:07.480
is not looking if they got to
losing hand, they'll be sitting on a
637
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:12.159
side and like pull their money back, you know, or part of their
638
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:15.400
back back. You know, you'll
see stuff like that. That's just like
639
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:20.670
you're you know, they're not trained
cheaters, necessarily, not not drinking too
640
00:56:20.710 --> 00:56:23.190
much about it. And Yeah,
there are some like slight of hand guys
641
00:56:23.230 --> 00:56:29.349
out there. They're really good at
it. I caught the guy in a
642
00:56:29.429 --> 00:56:36.980
poker game that was what's keeping the
NACE. That basically clean a suffouta yeah,
643
00:56:37.860 --> 00:56:42.860
wouldn't the cards well and he was. He was hiding the nice out
644
00:56:42.900 --> 00:56:46.730
of the deck. And in poker, you know, there they count down
645
00:56:46.769 --> 00:56:51.889
the cards everything, like few hands, but he would know the pattern when
646
00:56:51.889 --> 00:56:54.130
they were going to count them and
then he would reintroduce the Ason to the
647
00:56:54.530 --> 00:56:58.769
into the deck or make the death
complete, you know, by like.
648
00:56:59.530 --> 00:57:01.440
That's why you're not supposed to mock
your cards, like throw them into the
649
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:07.079
monk is, because you could be
more than two cards are on holding.
650
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:12.960
So everything in the casino that they
do, all the procedures, are for
651
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:20.550
a reason, you know, they
they're to prevent where cheets or catch them
652
00:57:22.789 --> 00:57:29.630
other things. Let's see, a
lot of times it's just dealing with with
653
00:57:30.019 --> 00:57:35.460
people have become bullagern, you know, their bathrombserves or their their intoxicated,
654
00:57:35.619 --> 00:57:42.179
the drinking and your how did you
transition from that? Because, well,
655
00:57:42.260 --> 00:57:45.809
you said it was a couple of
years the New York introduced alcohol, but
656
00:57:46.170 --> 00:57:51.369
I mean, I can see one
there's a big difference in in the money
657
00:57:51.409 --> 00:57:55.929
they're making. There's a huge turnover
when alcohol is introduced. But how did
658
00:57:55.969 --> 00:58:00.599
you find the personnel, like the
difference between a couple of years that you
659
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:04.800
did? Was it a few years
with no alcohol and then with alcohol,
660
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:07.239
and then going down to Florida,
where seemingly people are a little bit more
661
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:13.429
lively down there. Yeah, they
were definitely the more lively. I mean
662
00:58:13.510 --> 00:58:17.869
I had I had dealers. Like
I said, it was a different atmosphere.
663
00:58:17.989 --> 00:58:22.789
I had them like on the boat, you know, sneaking alcohol on
664
00:58:22.909 --> 00:58:27.659
their breaks and stuff like that.
One time I caught a dealer on a
665
00:58:27.780 --> 00:58:32.019
crap table. I think was New
Year's Eve, and one of the waitresses
666
00:58:32.179 --> 00:58:37.739
brought him a bottle of champagne and
he's over there on the game thinking a
667
00:58:37.820 --> 00:58:45.530
bottle of champagne right out of the
bottle, like Jeez. But at one
668
00:58:45.650 --> 00:58:49.610
point even they allowed us to have
a drink on the way back, like
669
00:58:49.769 --> 00:58:52.210
at the end of night and the
night cruise. They allowed us to have
670
00:58:52.369 --> 00:58:59.400
a drink, the free drink on
the way back. But yeah, you
671
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:02.199
know, now you kind of throw
a whole different dynamic in there. Right,
672
00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:07.679
we're people just be pissed off sober
up in New York when there's no
673
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:14.550
call. Now they're pissed off and
drunk from losing. So they got a
674
00:59:14.590 --> 00:59:22.150
lot of confrontations. I learned real
quick how to diffuse the situation. You
675
00:59:22.230 --> 00:59:27.579
know, I'm not like a little
lady either. So you know I'm able
676
00:59:27.619 --> 00:59:34.219
to pretty much. I put out
are out pretty pretty quick. You know,
677
00:59:34.500 --> 00:59:42.489
the Authority personality. You know,
that's how I am. That's why
678
00:59:42.489 --> 00:59:46.329
I you know, I had a
cop to meet her right that I always
679
00:59:46.329 --> 00:59:54.840
wanted to be. So it's not
as difficult for me to stake my authority,
680
00:59:55.280 --> 00:60:00.599
although, like I mean, I've
got hit before. You know,
681
00:60:00.840 --> 00:60:05.840
I've been hit at my job trying
to break up with you. You know,
682
00:60:05.920 --> 00:60:08.389
I've had to tackle people, put
them on the ground. I've had
683
00:60:08.469 --> 00:60:13.630
a you know, put them in
like a hole, like an arm bar
684
00:60:13.710 --> 00:60:17.190
or whatever, and put carry him
off the boat because they refuse to leave.
685
00:60:20.750 --> 00:60:22.980
One point, that's like I was
doing every job because, like,
686
00:60:23.380 --> 00:60:29.539
we laid off, like the security. So I was doing everything. So
687
00:60:29.659 --> 00:60:35.579
you did become a trooper. Yeah, kind of like The Times. I
688
00:60:35.769 --> 00:60:38.570
was doing a lot more like the
scope of my job and we used to
689
00:60:38.650 --> 00:60:46.610
count money, we used to do
a lot then. How long did you
690
00:60:46.690 --> 00:60:52.519
stay on the boat, man?
I stayed a while. They made a
691
00:60:52.639 --> 00:60:59.000
they made a movie about what happened
my boat, what happened my my boss,
692
00:60:59.239 --> 00:61:01.880
my boss, the owner of the
boat, end up getting get and
693
00:61:02.000 --> 00:61:10.550
whacked and there's a movie called Casino
Jack Starring Kevin Spacey. That's all about
694
00:61:10.789 --> 00:61:19.179
the whole time on your boat.
I was on yeah, the the flagship
695
00:61:19.260 --> 00:61:25.500
boat, the main boat, and
what happened was there's a whole I mean
696
00:61:25.579 --> 00:61:32.690
there is a senator representative involved that
kind of forced the sale. I might
697
00:61:32.809 --> 00:61:37.050
have like this movie. Could write
it down. Casino deck is actually really
698
00:61:37.090 --> 00:61:43.409
good movie. I think I watched
them. Yeah, I do, I
699
00:61:43.489 --> 00:61:51.440
think so. It's a few years
old. But what happened was so the
700
00:61:51.599 --> 00:62:04.670
representative, I think from Ohio.
He looked into some laws that a non
701
00:62:04.710 --> 00:62:13.869
natural born citizen could not own a
US ship. So the US born ship
702
00:62:14.550 --> 00:62:17.739
that if you were non natural I
citizen, you weren't able to own it.
703
00:62:19.059 --> 00:62:22.980
My owner, gusts, was Greek. It is from Greece. He
704
00:62:23.099 --> 00:62:30.289
actually opened Miami subs. That was
his first company. Did this senator have
705
00:62:30.769 --> 00:62:32.449
a dog in the race? was
are a reason for him to try to
706
00:62:32.489 --> 00:62:38.809
get yeah, so now there's him. So there's a guy called Jack Abermath
707
00:62:39.650 --> 00:62:49.920
every month and another guy who was
will Jack Averon. Is the it was
708
00:62:50.000 --> 00:62:55.880
a what do you call it?
The lobbyist. So he was a lot
709
00:62:57.159 --> 00:63:05.510
is m and there's this Adam Cadan, which was he owned like dial a
710
00:63:05.590 --> 00:63:10.150
mattress or something like that. Anyway, it was. It was a strong
711
00:63:10.190 --> 00:63:15.460
arm right. So they were going
to force the sale and this Adocada and
712
00:63:15.579 --> 00:63:21.340
was going to come in and buy
it for pennies on the dollar, right
713
00:63:21.579 --> 00:63:27.210
by a cheap. Well, they
said, okay, Hugh, can't this
714
00:63:27.250 --> 00:63:32.090
boat. You're gonna allow you to
sell it. Here's your buyer, this
715
00:63:32.250 --> 00:63:37.250
guy and can buy the whole thing
for like, I think it was a
716
00:63:37.250 --> 00:63:45.719
hundred hundred something, one hundred forty
million maybe. Well, the original transfer
717
00:63:46.480 --> 00:63:51.440
was supposed to be like seven million
dollars. I don't know, except of
718
00:63:51.480 --> 00:63:59.789
course. But they sent fake wire
transfer, bogus wire transfer, transferred all
719
00:63:59.789 --> 00:64:06.469
the boats into this guy's name team, all this crap and suit afterwards,
720
00:64:06.949 --> 00:64:14.659
where, while sitting like they went
to mediation, right. So there our
721
00:64:14.900 --> 00:64:19.139
main office was in Daniel Beach,
which is done by Miami, and a
722
00:64:19.179 --> 00:64:31.130
while in mediation they because he wasn't
getting paid, my owner. They got
723
00:64:31.210 --> 00:64:34.329
into an argument, you know,
he's like where's my money? Where's my
724
00:64:34.409 --> 00:64:44.400
money? And one thing led to
another and my owner grabbed the pen and
725
00:64:44.719 --> 00:64:53.190
stabbed this Adam. Could could stabbing
with the pen. It's next thing we
726
00:64:53.389 --> 00:64:58.269
know. You know, we hear
the news. What's going on? This
727
00:64:58.429 --> 00:65:02.309
guy had cadan shows up to the
art boat. He's got a bulletproof car.
728
00:65:03.550 --> 00:65:13.179
Answers are security guards and they're like
everything said this nat. Well,
729
00:65:15.780 --> 00:65:19.500
also, we start coming up short
on money. We're coming up short.
730
00:65:20.139 --> 00:65:26.570
They're telling us like literally, we
would have to go and pull money out
731
00:65:26.610 --> 00:65:31.449
of the slot machines in the middle
of the cruise just so we had money
732
00:65:31.530 --> 00:65:34.650
to pay out and give it to
the cashiers so they could pay out the
733
00:65:35.079 --> 00:65:41.519
people at the end of the cruise. It's freaking crazy. And then what
734
00:65:42.119 --> 00:65:44.760
was the reason for that? Or
is that just regular? Now? It's
735
00:65:44.760 --> 00:65:47.760
not regular. Normally they keep enough
money inside the cave. Well, what
736
00:65:47.960 --> 00:65:51.150
was the reason? He just didn't
have any money. was they were taken.
737
00:65:51.269 --> 00:65:56.949
They were there and Bezzlin. They're
taking their own money. They're still
738
00:65:57.070 --> 00:66:00.550
their own money. So they would
they would have. They had this day
739
00:66:00.630 --> 00:66:04.139
introduced this girl called, you know, Miss Sun Cruise, and she was
740
00:66:04.179 --> 00:66:08.699
like they said goody or something.
I do know what the relationship was,
741
00:66:08.780 --> 00:66:11.860
but anyway, we were going the
count room at the end of the night.
742
00:66:12.219 --> 00:66:15.500
Our normal thing was we would go
in, we lock ourselves in the
743
00:66:15.539 --> 00:66:20.329
room. We have money counting machines. We would count the money and we
744
00:66:20.409 --> 00:66:24.929
would figure out the wind loss for
the day and then we would give that
745
00:66:25.090 --> 00:66:30.530
money to the cage for the next
day of business, whatever, and then
746
00:66:30.570 --> 00:66:34.519
they would look at and whatever at
the end of the week. Well,
747
00:66:35.840 --> 00:66:41.400
this girl would come in. So
we're at the dock now, we're finishing
748
00:66:41.480 --> 00:66:45.840
up the count. She would come
into the count with a bag, fill
749
00:66:45.920 --> 00:66:49.110
it with the money, not,
you know, record on any of it
750
00:66:49.670 --> 00:66:55.510
and take it or like. You
know. This is when I got like
751
00:66:55.789 --> 00:67:00.070
super suspicious. I'm like, you
know, I know something, this is
752
00:67:00.190 --> 00:67:09.059
what's going on here. So after
a while with them fighting, going to
753
00:67:09.219 --> 00:67:14.340
mediations and stuff like that, the
next thing I hear is that her owner
754
00:67:14.780 --> 00:67:24.090
goes, was shot game land style
in Miami killed. Come to find out,
755
00:67:24.170 --> 00:67:28.610
now we know it was a Gabbin
no family of New York that was
756
00:67:28.650 --> 00:67:35.960
hired that shot kill them. Yeah, it's only watch this stuff on TV
757
00:67:36.199 --> 00:67:44.630
many yeah, I'm like living at
like man, I left New York because
758
00:67:44.670 --> 00:67:51.070
it is trouble there. I'm coming
down as I go to my boss and
759
00:67:51.389 --> 00:67:56.110
I talked to him. I said, listen, I'm like, you know,
760
00:67:56.269 --> 00:67:59.260
we see this stuff going on.
Can we be held accountable? Like
761
00:67:59.380 --> 00:68:02.139
can this come back on us?
He's like well, he's like, you
762
00:68:02.260 --> 00:68:05.980
know, he's like you're in account
room, you're seeing what they're doing.
763
00:68:06.820 --> 00:68:13.650
Like yeah, of course come back. Like well, you know, this
764
00:68:13.889 --> 00:68:19.489
is shortly after eleven to write.
So and I had some family affected up
765
00:68:19.529 --> 00:68:24.090
in New York. I'm like,
you know what, I'm like done with
766
00:68:24.210 --> 00:68:28.840
this. I'm like, I'M gonna
be a part of this. So I
767
00:68:28.960 --> 00:68:34.239
quit and I left. I went
back to New York for a while and
768
00:68:36.880 --> 00:68:41.630
I worked up there. Went to
another casino. Actually, when I first
769
00:68:41.670 --> 00:68:45.949
one up there, I got into
a contracting business with my buddy. Became
770
00:68:46.029 --> 00:68:53.109
partners. That didn't last very long, but they opened another casino, so
771
00:68:53.270 --> 00:68:57.739
I went up in the Agar Falls
New York. So I would open that
772
00:68:57.859 --> 00:69:05.539
casino as a pit manager and worked
there for like a year and a half.
773
00:69:06.340 --> 00:69:12.090
And it's too cold. Man,
is like Buffalo and thenar falls way
774
00:69:12.210 --> 00:69:16.289
too cold. I was my blooded
thinned out over the years. You kept
775
00:69:16.289 --> 00:69:23.170
your Hawaiian shirts in your in your
yeah, I remember too. Is like
776
00:69:23.369 --> 00:69:28.800
in February and March and I came
out to my car after a shift.
777
00:69:29.239 --> 00:69:32.039
You know, I worked nights,
so I was getting out thirty and war
778
00:69:32.119 --> 00:69:35.000
and I go out to my car
and I couldn't get it. It was
779
00:69:35.079 --> 00:69:39.550
like frozen. Proud. Yeah,
I'm like at that point, like for
780
00:69:39.710 --> 00:69:46.149
good this? Yeah, there are. You know. I went. I
781
00:69:46.270 --> 00:69:49.630
came back to Florida, I said, and at by that time I was
782
00:69:49.670 --> 00:69:57.100
a couple years later, after all
this stuff happened on the boats and you
783
00:69:57.260 --> 00:70:01.340
know the fam the spear, which
was the nephew of the original owner,
784
00:70:02.659 --> 00:70:11.609
they were able to recapture ownership of
the the bat again. So when I
785
00:70:11.689 --> 00:70:15.489
went back, you know, I
didn't want my old job, but I
786
00:70:15.569 --> 00:70:20.369
wanted a job. So I told
I went there. Now there is a
787
00:70:20.479 --> 00:70:27.960
new my guy, casino manager.
He had been fired or whag like in
788
00:70:28.079 --> 00:70:32.479
the middle of this whole transition by
the other guys. So they brought in
789
00:70:32.600 --> 00:70:40.590
a new guy and the new guy
didn't really want me back on the boat
790
00:70:40.670 --> 00:70:43.869
because of my position, you know, at the high position. I'm like,
791
00:70:43.949 --> 00:70:45.829
listen, I just I'll deal,
I don't care, you know,
792
00:70:45.869 --> 00:70:49.699
I'll come in, I'll deal guards. He's like no, I think it's
793
00:70:49.779 --> 00:70:59.500
conflict of interest. Wow, so
my buddy made a suggestion because, well,
794
00:70:59.619 --> 00:71:01.979
what if he goes to deals poker, because poker is kind separate from
795
00:71:02.020 --> 00:71:05.890
like the casino m and he's like, well, I guess I would have
796
00:71:05.930 --> 00:71:12.050
a problem that. So I made
a phone call to spirow, the nephew.
797
00:71:13.170 --> 00:71:15.569
Listen, you know, I'm back. I'd like to come work for
798
00:71:15.649 --> 00:71:17.489
you again. It's like, yeah, whatever you want. Where are you
799
00:71:17.569 --> 00:71:24.199
want? Come on. So and
at the time poker was blowing up right.
800
00:71:24.319 --> 00:71:26.600
This was the most money I ever
made. What a move this was,
801
00:71:26.960 --> 00:71:30.319
because this was like when Chris moneymaker
win the world series of poker,
802
00:71:30.000 --> 00:71:35.350
because I seeking and everything's like everybody's
a poker player now. So things where
803
00:71:35.350 --> 00:71:39.430
they think they think they are anyway, yeah, they think they are.
804
00:71:39.869 --> 00:71:47.779
So things are flying eye and in
those four years, two of the years
805
00:71:47.819 --> 00:71:55.739
I meet over six figures just dealing
poker, and the only reason I did
806
00:71:55.939 --> 00:72:00.180
make it six figures other times was
because I was on pace for it,
807
00:72:00.300 --> 00:72:03.090
but I had switched jobs. So
at that time, at the end of
808
00:72:03.170 --> 00:72:12.369
that last year, the dynamics here
in Florida, it shifted, whereas the
809
00:72:12.609 --> 00:72:16.840
dog tracks and stuff start off from
poker, and at first it was okay
810
00:72:16.880 --> 00:72:20.319
because they could only do like hundred
dollar buy hands and do want to poker.
811
00:72:20.640 --> 00:72:24.720
We could do whatever we wanted,
so we would get the good games.
812
00:72:25.560 --> 00:72:31.550
But then things shifted and they were
allowed to go higher limits the Casino.
813
00:72:32.630 --> 00:72:39.909
The hard rocks started offering higher them
in poker and everything. So now,
814
00:72:39.989 --> 00:72:44.420
as a poker player they're not limited
to a threehour for cruise to play
815
00:72:44.500 --> 00:72:47.979
poker and they can go play and
leave whenever they want for hours and then.
816
00:72:49.380 --> 00:72:53.659
So we lost a lot of people, but I made we manage for
817
00:72:53.699 --> 00:72:58.060
a little some time. Oh,
by that time too, I had already
818
00:72:58.100 --> 00:73:04.130
I became assistant poker room manager also
and the other so I was getting manager
819
00:73:04.289 --> 00:73:13.960
pay and and tips. So I
saw the right down the wall, like
820
00:73:14.479 --> 00:73:18.640
this isn't this is like bad for
our business. So diluted out. Yeah,
821
00:73:18.920 --> 00:73:24.960
yeah, so the hard rock was
open and table games and that's I
822
00:73:25.079 --> 00:73:30.350
decided. I came over to Tampa
to work at the hard rock. They
823
00:73:30.470 --> 00:73:40.390
went there. So I've opened six
casinos over over my time, because I
824
00:73:40.470 --> 00:73:46.220
opened another one in New York more
recently. Two thousand and seventeen. It
825
00:73:46.340 --> 00:73:53.859
Schenectady. So I went up to
New York for a year again. I
826
00:73:53.979 --> 00:73:59.569
went from a dealer Tampa all the
way to pit manager before I had left
827
00:73:59.649 --> 00:74:10.079
in two thousand and sixteen and I
left because my father got sick, got
828
00:74:10.159 --> 00:74:15.319
hill. So I left that job, went to New York. While I
829
00:74:15.439 --> 00:74:18.680
was up there they're opening another casino, so I went open to work there
830
00:74:18.760 --> 00:74:29.390
for seven months and then again Florida
is calling me and I came back down
831
00:74:30.989 --> 00:74:33.829
and wow, you know, I
wasn't going to come down and get it
832
00:74:33.949 --> 00:74:39.739
casino business. So as I was
like buying and selling cars. My Buddy
833
00:74:39.779 --> 00:74:45.659
owns a dealership, so he put
me on the as a buyer, you
834
00:74:45.739 --> 00:74:47.260
know, so I could go to
you make it. Did you make a
835
00:74:47.979 --> 00:74:51.739
firm decision that you weren't going to
get into casinos anymore? At this point?
836
00:74:51.779 --> 00:74:57.010
I thought I was done with casinos
when I left in two thousand and
837
00:74:57.010 --> 00:75:01.409
sixteen. This is the casinos.
It's like the mob and it's like once
838
00:75:01.489 --> 00:75:05.250
your finger out, they pull you
back in. It's like, you know,
839
00:75:05.409 --> 00:75:12.960
because it's it's a fun business and
it's treated me well. You know,
840
00:75:13.039 --> 00:75:17.479
it's a it's a different sometimes.
You know it's a drag. You
841
00:75:17.560 --> 00:75:23.189
know it can be, but it's
really what you make it. You know,
842
00:75:25.270 --> 00:75:29.069
it is a lot. You know
it's living in the fasting right.
843
00:75:29.710 --> 00:75:34.390
There's a lot of there's a lot
of drinking, you know, partly sex,
844
00:75:34.430 --> 00:75:38.420
drodes and rock and roll. You
know, it's just that kind of
845
00:75:38.460 --> 00:75:43.939
atmosphere all the time. So you've
become desensitized a little to it, right,
846
00:75:44.739 --> 00:75:48.779
just as your your daily thing was
surrounded by it all the time and
847
00:75:48.939 --> 00:75:55.489
you hardly notice it, right,
you know. So I you know,
848
00:75:55.569 --> 00:75:58.449
I thought I was out. I
thought I was getting out a couple times.
849
00:76:00.689 --> 00:76:03.920
When that opportunity of New York came
about. You know, I went
850
00:76:04.000 --> 00:76:09.119
there as as as a manager is
a good manager help, you know,
851
00:76:09.279 --> 00:76:12.720
open it up and get things going
to I wasn't going to be there a
852
00:76:12.800 --> 00:76:18.310
long time and I had friends that
we're going to be there again, people
853
00:76:18.390 --> 00:76:23.670
that I've worked with and haven't worked
with for like ten years and now I'm
854
00:76:23.710 --> 00:76:27.390
working with them again. I think
there's one guy I had worked with for
855
00:76:27.550 --> 00:76:34.300
like twenty years and we're back up. But yeah, so my intent was
856
00:76:35.699 --> 00:76:41.579
to come down by and sell cars, but I was kind of I had
857
00:76:41.619 --> 00:76:47.210
a plan B. So I actually
started taking the real estate course online while
858
00:76:47.210 --> 00:76:53.050
I was in New York for Florida, just as kind of like a backup
859
00:76:53.489 --> 00:76:58.050
and the reason, you know,
I chose real estate. Well, first,
860
00:76:58.130 --> 00:77:00.090
you know, I thought it was
like, you know, this is
861
00:77:00.170 --> 00:77:05.439
easy, like how easy can this
be? Some houses? Yeah, I
862
00:77:05.600 --> 00:77:11.079
had like a different, you know, perception of real estate that I do
863
00:77:11.279 --> 00:77:15.560
now. You know, I didn't
really, and I think a lot of
864
00:77:15.680 --> 00:77:20.310
people don't respect what what goes into
it, because it's a lot harder than
865
00:77:21.189 --> 00:77:27.510
you think. So to be to
be a plan B. Yeah, there's
866
00:77:27.630 --> 00:77:32.899
there's better options. You know that
you can make a plan B. I
867
00:77:34.380 --> 00:77:39.699
I got stuck with a lot of
cars. So I had like six cars
868
00:77:39.739 --> 00:77:44.260
at one point that just weren't you
know, I wasn't turning them quick enough.
869
00:77:44.770 --> 00:77:47.329
So if you're not you know,
if you're not flipping them quick enough,
870
00:77:47.329 --> 00:77:50.529
you're not making any money. You
know, you just got that inventory
871
00:77:50.609 --> 00:77:57.090
or sitting down. So I'm sitting
on, you know, thirtyzero inventory and
872
00:77:57.250 --> 00:78:00.119
I'm not moving. I'm not making
money, no money in, no cash
873
00:78:00.159 --> 00:78:03.359
flow. So I end up I
got rid of them, I end up
874
00:78:03.359 --> 00:78:08.279
selling them all. I said that. You know, I started even before
875
00:78:08.279 --> 00:78:12.159
I got rid of them all.
I started actually practice in the real estate
876
00:78:13.750 --> 00:78:15.029
and there really one of the reasons
I chose real estate. Is when I
877
00:78:15.069 --> 00:78:19.510
left Florida in two thousand and sixteen. I sold my home and I had
878
00:78:20.630 --> 00:78:26.229
two different experiences. You know.
We had gone with a realtor that,
879
00:78:27.500 --> 00:78:33.739
you know, my wife's friend referred
to us, and it was terrible experience,
880
00:78:34.420 --> 00:78:39.140
just bad, not the pleasant.
Yeah, it wasn't pleasant. It
881
00:78:39.340 --> 00:78:47.729
wasn't a good, good experience.
So we end up firing her and I
882
00:78:47.850 --> 00:78:50.369
said I'm going to pick a guy, you know, and I did a
883
00:78:50.369 --> 00:78:54.210
little research and found it. I
thought was a really good guy. He
884
00:78:54.329 --> 00:78:58.039
came man, what a difference it
was night and day. Like this guy
885
00:78:58.159 --> 00:79:00.760
was really good and it kind of
like at the time I remember saying,
886
00:79:00.880 --> 00:79:05.640
man, I can do you know, I I'd like to do that,
887
00:79:05.840 --> 00:79:10.869
you know, especially be good at
it. You know, learn from being
888
00:79:11.029 --> 00:79:15.430
having a bad experience and seeing the
difference in him good experience. So it
889
00:79:15.550 --> 00:79:21.710
kind of sat in the back of
mind at the time. So I came
890
00:79:21.789 --> 00:79:27.500
back and then I started. So
I was halfheartedly in the beginning of the
891
00:79:27.539 --> 00:79:36.979
real estate doing that, but also
still selling the cars. So it wasn't
892
00:79:38.340 --> 00:79:41.130
full time. You know, I
didn't jump. So you're you mentioned you're
893
00:79:41.170 --> 00:79:46.369
married at this time at this point. Yeah, so, so what is
894
00:79:46.409 --> 00:79:49.850
your wife. Think about you jumping
from here to there and doing this and
895
00:79:49.970 --> 00:79:56.880
that. I have a wife that
doesn't look yeah, well, I considering.
896
00:79:57.039 --> 00:80:00.239
Like you know, I moved all
over the you know, over the
897
00:80:00.359 --> 00:80:04.880
country, go a few times,
right, so, Florida, the back
898
00:80:04.960 --> 00:80:10.069
to New York, Florida, back, going from this job at this job
899
00:80:10.510 --> 00:80:19.510
as close to that one. You
know, woman by nature are very home
900
00:80:19.550 --> 00:80:21.500
many. Second, I need a
pen on it to right this day and
901
00:80:21.579 --> 00:80:29.060
need stability. Right, yeah,
yeah, they their Nestor's right, they're
902
00:80:29.140 --> 00:80:32.779
nesting. It's just what they want. They want stability, they want that
903
00:80:33.020 --> 00:80:39.529
one house and grow up, you
know, raise the kids and stuff.
904
00:80:40.449 --> 00:80:44.210
Me, I'm more like, you
know, this is what I got to
905
00:80:44.210 --> 00:80:47.850
do, I gotta go, and
that's literally like how I'll make a decision.
906
00:80:47.970 --> 00:80:55.479
You know, just do it,
you know. So, yeah,
907
00:80:55.840 --> 00:81:01.159
we've had our battles about that,
but it's been a cassine on. Business
908
00:81:01.239 --> 00:81:05.470
was good to me. You know, I've that like I can't tell you
909
00:81:05.510 --> 00:81:13.949
how many celebrities, athletes. You
know, I've dealt to the number one
910
00:81:14.109 --> 00:81:19.340
athlete and the greatest player of all
time, Michael Jordan. You know,
911
00:81:19.579 --> 00:81:25.859
I still I was gifted something from
Michael Jordan that I still have today.
912
00:81:29.699 --> 00:81:31.739
I said, imagine that, Eg, that would be nice. Yeah,
913
00:81:33.529 --> 00:81:43.170
I have several that I've just has
said down hit conversations with sometimes. You
914
00:81:43.250 --> 00:81:45.449
know, I've Carrie Comic Jr.
I've met a couple times. I met
915
00:81:45.489 --> 00:81:50.079
him. You must you must have
have some good conversations. Like people are.
916
00:81:50.239 --> 00:81:56.960
I would say I've played my well, probably not a lot of poker,
917
00:81:57.079 --> 00:82:00.159
and I guess you know, but
I'm fair share that you have people
918
00:82:00.279 --> 00:82:04.350
that are on either the best of
times the worst of times, and as
919
00:82:04.390 --> 00:82:10.789
a dealer in particular, you may
find you have some good, good chats
920
00:82:11.069 --> 00:82:14.350
with some of these people and get
to know them rather well. Is that
921
00:82:14.350 --> 00:82:20.420
accurate? Good chances dealer is even
a supervisor and as a manager, as
922
00:82:20.460 --> 00:82:24.220
a manager like on the boat,
the good thing was, you know,
923
00:82:25.659 --> 00:82:28.220
I could go. I was all
over the boat, so I could go.
924
00:82:28.340 --> 00:82:31.489
I wasn't stuck to like one place. So, for instance, James
925
00:82:31.529 --> 00:82:36.609
Woods came on and he was visiting
his brother and his mother lived like in
926
00:82:36.689 --> 00:82:43.890
Melbourne for it. So it was
right after Friday or any given Sunday,
927
00:82:44.399 --> 00:82:50.760
which was the coach and so I
said Hey, let's let's talk. So
928
00:82:50.880 --> 00:82:55.479
we went and I got him a
drink and I grab the coffee and we
929
00:82:55.560 --> 00:83:00.189
went and said in the cafe and
and and talk like forty five minutes just
930
00:83:00.310 --> 00:83:04.989
at regular conversation. It is things
like that. With Michael Jordan, I
931
00:83:05.189 --> 00:83:09.710
was dealing to you know, I
was there for two days dealing to him,
932
00:83:11.149 --> 00:83:15.500
you know, and at first,
you know, it's like kind of
933
00:83:15.579 --> 00:83:20.500
standoffish, like he was just,
you know, all business. But you
934
00:83:20.579 --> 00:83:25.140
know, I inched my way and
kind of like a you know, like
935
00:83:25.300 --> 00:83:28.729
a puppy you don't want, does
you know? I just kind of into
936
00:83:28.850 --> 00:83:32.810
to marry and he eventually, you
know, he kind of you know,
937
00:83:32.930 --> 00:83:39.409
he got the comfortable with me,
you know, about most of the time,
938
00:83:39.529 --> 00:83:44.439
and initially Charles Oakley was with them. I was I was talking within
939
00:83:45.039 --> 00:83:55.039
joking and stuff like that. So
and it wasn't until Michael Jordan he played
940
00:83:55.079 --> 00:84:00.909
very by the book, like Perfect
Black Jack, and it came down to
941
00:84:00.029 --> 00:84:04.430
a point where, and by the
way, he smokes cars like like he's
942
00:84:04.510 --> 00:84:09.109
like a Chu. He's like constantly
six cars and he sitting are on his
943
00:84:09.149 --> 00:84:12.899
phone. He's like lean back in
his chair and he's just kind of one
944
00:84:13.020 --> 00:84:19.539
hand given signals. There's a situation
where I had a two up showing and
945
00:84:19.739 --> 00:84:26.970
he had a fourteen and he tried
hitting it. I stopped because now I
946
00:84:27.090 --> 00:84:30.369
know, I've been dealing with them
for like three knows. Yeah, I
947
00:84:30.529 --> 00:84:33.810
know how he plays. He plays
perfect like Jack. So I got to
948
00:84:33.850 --> 00:84:39.560
be sure and he's like points even
harder at it. He's not really paying
949
00:84:39.600 --> 00:84:42.880
attention. He's like it's phone.
He's like. So, I go,
950
00:84:44.760 --> 00:84:48.760
are you sure? He's so?
How he like looks and he sees that
951
00:84:49.119 --> 00:84:54.149
and he looks at my car goes
boy, he's like this is starts waving
952
00:84:54.229 --> 00:85:00.510
it off. You know, I
practically spits the cigar out. Oh so,
953
00:85:00.909 --> 00:85:03.310
that's I thought. So, anyway, he wins the hand. He
954
00:85:03.390 --> 00:85:09.380
had a lot of money up there. He wins and and he's like thinking
955
00:85:09.539 --> 00:85:12.539
me over and over. Think,
PROBB, think you. Thank you,
956
00:85:13.460 --> 00:85:18.220
thank you so much, and all
right. So now he starts engaging and
957
00:85:18.380 --> 00:85:25.970
talking to me and we start talking
about you know, like I knew he
958
00:85:26.090 --> 00:85:29.890
was in the motorcycles and stuff like
that. So we're starting to talk about
959
00:85:29.890 --> 00:85:34.920
that. We get to the end. What's funny is like he's known in
960
00:85:35.000 --> 00:85:41.760
the industry from the casino standpoint.
Is Not Tipper. You know, okay,
961
00:85:42.760 --> 00:85:45.279
and whatever. So, you know, I was in the back the
962
00:85:45.359 --> 00:85:53.149
House and the Dr and you know
I told people at the beginning the GAG
963
00:85:53.590 --> 00:85:57.029
coming out Michael Jordan stable and you
know, they're like, oh, yeah,
964
00:85:57.029 --> 00:85:59.430
I couldn't like it in a tip
from him. You know, wow,
965
00:86:00.229 --> 00:86:01.630
you know, like it's no big
deal. I'm like, Hey,
966
00:86:02.069 --> 00:86:04.340
I got pissed. I'm like,
I'M gonna I go watch, I'm going
967
00:86:04.380 --> 00:86:08.140
to get to it. Don't you
worry about it. They're like yeah,
968
00:86:08.539 --> 00:86:16.899
you don't tip anyway. So at
the end, you know it throughout the
969
00:86:17.020 --> 00:86:21.609
time he was there too. You
know, the Casino has like the calendar
970
00:86:21.689 --> 00:86:28.170
girls and stuff. They're coming in
sign and stuff for bringing him all these
971
00:86:28.289 --> 00:86:35.239
gifts, calendars what not. So
He's color en obvious leaves. He takes
972
00:86:35.880 --> 00:86:41.960
a couple thousand dollar chips and throws
them to me. He's thanks, Rob
973
00:86:42.199 --> 00:86:47.229
because is this is fun. He's
like he goes here and you want this
974
00:86:47.310 --> 00:86:53.029
stuff. Is like the stuff they've
been bringing them, and I was like
975
00:86:53.470 --> 00:86:56.149
yeah, I'll take it. I
go is that cool? I said that
976
00:86:56.229 --> 00:87:00.939
my manager. He's like on it. So I took it and then the
977
00:87:01.060 --> 00:87:05.699
next day I was dealing to him
to it goes so well for him like
978
00:87:05.859 --> 00:87:11.819
today. But yeah, he took
me and it's like, and it's still
979
00:87:12.579 --> 00:87:15.850
people talk about it. They're like
they go, I know, I know
980
00:87:15.970 --> 00:87:19.810
somebody he tipped. Yeah, especially
if he's never he doesn't really tip,
981
00:87:19.930 --> 00:87:25.170
and then he you're the guy.
Yeah, it was me. There's a
982
00:87:25.210 --> 00:87:29.289
guy there that talks about it.
He talks about all the time. Still
983
00:87:30.520 --> 00:87:35.199
like this is like my my ear
old moment. I've gone and like I
984
00:87:35.319 --> 00:87:43.560
dealt it for burlander when he was
dating, just when we first started dating.
985
00:87:44.039 --> 00:87:55.510
His wife now the supermodel. You're
asking the wrong guy because I've been
986
00:87:55.829 --> 00:88:00.779
so far removed living in Korea,
I try not to pay attention, but
987
00:88:00.819 --> 00:88:02.779
I know the names when I hear
them. Yeah, well, you know,
988
00:88:02.859 --> 00:88:06.819
I stories are great to yeah,
Justin Brlander, obviously when the world
989
00:88:06.899 --> 00:88:15.090
series. Well, yeah, like
it's strange too, because I mean there's
990
00:88:15.130 --> 00:88:18.449
been points where, you know,
we got TV's in there and I'm watching
991
00:88:18.529 --> 00:88:24.770
the game on TV and starting pictures
are up there and the hour after the
992
00:88:24.810 --> 00:88:29.880
game he's at my table smoking a
cigarette and I'm like thanks, surreal,
993
00:88:30.560 --> 00:88:38.399
sereal. Yeah, it's interesting stuff. Yeah, I miss it. To
994
00:88:38.560 --> 00:88:42.829
do miss do you misses? Well, do you? Here's the thing.
995
00:88:42.869 --> 00:88:50.869
I still, like I said,
I'm still ideal. Now I will sad
996
00:88:50.949 --> 00:88:59.020
you. Last year in September they
had an open or rare like this casino
997
00:88:59.140 --> 00:89:05.060
too, is very difficult. They've
never hired outside dealers before. What's to
998
00:89:05.180 --> 00:89:11.970
find it? Outside deal like somebody
experienced from another casino. Right, okay,
999
00:89:12.289 --> 00:89:17.649
so you either had to transfer in
from one of the other hard rocks
1000
00:89:17.689 --> 00:89:27.239
or some casinos or you came up
through a different position. Right. So
1001
00:89:27.439 --> 00:89:31.960
the way are it is whatever.
Then you came and got in that way.
1002
00:89:32.399 --> 00:89:38.829
But they've never directly hired outside dealers
from another casino. Winning or open,
1003
00:89:39.189 --> 00:89:43.869
open, even though I wasn't.
I mean I worked there before as
1004
00:89:43.909 --> 00:89:51.710
a pivot manager. I those higher
part of time. I'm like, you
1005
00:89:51.789 --> 00:89:56.659
know what I'm like, I don't
really do nothing at night. I'm like
1006
00:89:56.699 --> 00:90:00.380
I want mine just doing it,
just to be back involved and you know,
1007
00:90:00.500 --> 00:90:04.060
on the weekends it's not going to
really interfere with my my real estate.
1008
00:90:05.220 --> 00:90:10.409
So give me something to do on
the weekends and I can be back
1009
00:90:10.449 --> 00:90:13.489
in that, because you do miss
it, you know, you miss that
1010
00:90:14.369 --> 00:90:17.409
excitement, the atmosphere. You know
you've been in it all this time.
1011
00:90:18.850 --> 00:90:29.439
So I was like, yeah,
it's pretty call loose, pretty. You
1012
00:90:29.479 --> 00:90:33.039
know, it's not demanding right,
especially me, you know, I it's
1013
00:90:33.159 --> 00:90:39.430
nothing. It's like going over and
handing out flyers at this pointing. You
1014
00:90:39.510 --> 00:90:44.310
know, it's just simple, so
I said, and it's good money to
1015
00:90:44.989 --> 00:90:46.829
you know, I'll go out on
the weekend and make a dows some bugs,
1016
00:90:48.750 --> 00:90:53.100
working Friday's are day and Sunday night
and then I'm back do my real
1017
00:90:53.140 --> 00:90:57.340
estate one day through. So you
got into real estate. You got into
1018
00:90:57.380 --> 00:91:00.060
real estate, and how was it
when you first got in for you to,
1019
00:91:00.939 --> 00:91:04.010
you know, feel the not the
temptation, but the desire to get
1020
00:91:04.050 --> 00:91:09.970
back into the Casino as well?
So must I mean probable was a tough
1021
00:91:10.210 --> 00:91:14.050
was it a tough transition? Now? I mean, there was no desire
1022
00:91:14.289 --> 00:91:15.850
really to get back in the casine, you know, at that point,
1023
00:91:17.170 --> 00:91:24.439
you know, I was doing something
new. I can't say there was no
1024
00:91:24.600 --> 00:91:30.760
temptation and it's always a temptation,
but I didn't really think about it.
1025
00:91:30.119 --> 00:91:33.109
You know, so busy doing when
I was doing and I'm so focused.
1026
00:91:33.470 --> 00:91:38.109
You know, once the cars,
once I got the car thing figured out
1027
00:91:38.189 --> 00:91:42.909
and got my money back and I
decided to focus on the real estate.
1028
00:91:43.550 --> 00:91:46.029
You know, things changed. Right
now, now I'm the voting, all
1029
00:91:46.140 --> 00:91:49.819
my time, my attention, energy, focus everything on real estate and you
1030
00:91:49.899 --> 00:91:54.779
really need to write. Do you
remember? You remember your first sale?
1031
00:91:56.020 --> 00:92:00.060
Yeah, like actually, one of
my first deals was a commercial deal.
1032
00:92:01.329 --> 00:92:05.890
Is actually my friend of mine,
the guy that owns the car dealership that
1033
00:92:06.050 --> 00:92:13.649
I think my card to exam my
license, and he he had a shopping
1034
00:92:13.729 --> 00:92:19.119
center that he saw and like man
come virstal, like right off the bat,
1035
00:92:20.119 --> 00:92:23.319
I know where to start, like
all I've been teached me as ill
1036
00:92:23.359 --> 00:92:28.640
to sell houses. So I had
to do a crash course and commercial real
1037
00:92:28.640 --> 00:92:33.909
estate and I learned a lot.
It was it was good, like I
1038
00:92:33.989 --> 00:92:41.189
learned about cash flow, cap rates
and ury and all that stuff. So
1039
00:92:43.789 --> 00:92:53.819
it was it was very beneficial and
that it was like six on the over,
1040
00:92:54.060 --> 00:93:00.050
six Hundredzero. My first house deal
was like a half a million dollar
1041
00:93:00.130 --> 00:93:06.130
house. You know, I'm always
I'm pulled towards the high money, like
1042
00:93:06.289 --> 00:93:11.369
even in the casino business, like
I wanted to be where the big money
1043
00:93:11.609 --> 00:93:15.800
was, you know, I wanted
that. A lot of people they don't
1044
00:93:15.800 --> 00:93:17.159
want anything to do with it.
They're like, I just want to be
1045
00:93:17.279 --> 00:93:25.600
on little game over here. Leave
me alone. Don't? I love drive,
1046
00:93:26.119 --> 00:93:30.590
you know, drive, drive in
that situation. I love the pressure.
1047
00:93:30.069 --> 00:93:34.390
Yeah, I love I love all
that. You know, the tent,
1048
00:93:34.550 --> 00:93:39.989
that tense. Would you say that? Is it the money or is
1049
00:93:40.029 --> 00:93:44.859
it the stakes that are at hand
in those sorts of situations? I think
1050
00:93:44.859 --> 00:93:49.140
it's I think it's the stakes more
than anything. You know that the pressure
1051
00:93:49.180 --> 00:93:54.220
that's on you. You know,
now you got like everybody's watching right,
1052
00:93:54.779 --> 00:94:00.130
and and you're like you have to
perform, and I always thrived at that
1053
00:94:00.770 --> 00:94:05.409
in any basketball or sports or whatever, when the pressure is on, is
1054
00:94:05.489 --> 00:94:13.039
like when I did my better for
my best right, and so I live
1055
00:94:13.159 --> 00:94:15.960
for those moments. You know,
I was that guy that wanted the basketball
1056
00:94:16.119 --> 00:94:20.399
for the last shot of the game. I love that, that pressure,
1057
00:94:23.800 --> 00:94:27.109
you know, having the bigger bet, like I've been out there with half
1058
00:94:27.149 --> 00:94:30.630
a million dollars. That's one hand, half a million dollars a guy back
1059
00:94:32.630 --> 00:94:39.460
and I'm just like it doesn't phase
me at all, like all, right,
1060
00:94:39.500 --> 00:94:42.979
here we go. There's a as
a house, you know, and
1061
00:94:43.100 --> 00:94:47.819
there's another house, there's our house. But yeah, so, like I'm
1062
00:94:47.899 --> 00:94:54.369
always pulled, even in real estate, I'm pulled towards that. You know,
1063
00:94:54.529 --> 00:95:00.409
I want luxury house. I want
big deals, big money deals,
1064
00:95:00.770 --> 00:95:04.329
and it's not necessarily about the commission
check or anything else. It's just that's
1065
00:95:04.369 --> 00:95:10.560
what I'm I'm drawn to. I
don't I don't know why I always want
1066
00:95:10.560 --> 00:95:15.199
to be I guess it's has to
do with like being the best. You
1067
00:95:15.279 --> 00:95:18.239
know, I've always had that drive. I didn't want to just be good
1068
00:95:18.239 --> 00:95:24.869
at something. I want to be
like the best at it, and it's
1069
00:95:25.229 --> 00:95:31.949
usually just compete with myself. I
nobody's harder on me than me. Yeah,
1070
00:95:32.550 --> 00:95:41.819
I guess I get hard on myself
if if I don't little like I
1071
00:95:41.899 --> 00:95:45.539
get the OCD ish. You know, I thinks to be perfect, and
1072
00:95:45.659 --> 00:95:47.340
that was actually one of the things
that kind of helped me up from the
1073
00:95:47.380 --> 00:95:54.329
beginning of my real estate career is
I want everything to be perfect, right.
1074
00:95:54.890 --> 00:95:59.250
I want to perfect. Picture from
my business card, the perfect business,
1075
00:95:59.250 --> 00:96:01.810
kind of one of the perfect name. Every thing be perfect, and
1076
00:96:01.930 --> 00:96:06.239
sometimes I won't release something unless it
was perfect, instead of just doing it
1077
00:96:08.279 --> 00:96:11.640
and then learning as you go.
I wasn't like like that. I think
1078
00:96:11.640 --> 00:96:15.640
I had that I wanted it to
be perfect or right off the back.
1079
00:96:15.439 --> 00:96:19.350
That's impossible. Out of the starting
box. You kept resetting yourself, you
1080
00:96:19.390 --> 00:96:23.789
wouldn't go right. You get you
get help and won't pose. If you
1081
00:96:23.829 --> 00:96:27.350
get help, you don't start right. It's like a failure to launch type
1082
00:96:27.390 --> 00:96:31.390
of thing, like you're better off
just launching, you know, like Amazon.
1083
00:96:31.510 --> 00:96:34.020
What do you launched? Selling books, and now let it what it
1084
00:96:34.180 --> 00:96:39.539
is. You know, they just
proved, improve, improved. So that
1085
00:96:39.699 --> 00:96:43.979
was something I had to learn that
I'm still learning, you know. I
1086
00:96:44.100 --> 00:96:50.569
find myself still doing that sometimes we're
like getting on video or a video or
1087
00:96:50.649 --> 00:96:54.810
something. You know, I want
to be perfect, I want to have
1088
00:96:54.930 --> 00:96:57.850
the right thing to say, the
right message. It's you know, and
1089
00:96:57.970 --> 00:97:03.399
you overthink it instead just doing it. It's more beneficial to you even starting
1090
00:97:03.439 --> 00:97:06.359
the podcast, you know, and
you might be able to relate to this.
1091
00:97:06.560 --> 00:97:11.439
I don't know if you do or
not. On right down that alley,
1092
00:97:12.439 --> 00:97:15.989
you know, start record. Okay, do it again right. So,
1093
00:97:15.350 --> 00:97:19.390
like you probably wanted the first one. Like how much did you research
1094
00:97:19.430 --> 00:97:24.710
it before you did it, you
know, and how many things you said,
1095
00:97:24.789 --> 00:97:27.789
oh, I need this, I
need this, this background that like
1096
00:97:27.949 --> 00:97:30.380
you got. You know, I
can't start until I have a cool background
1097
00:97:30.420 --> 00:97:35.180
or I had this trucular that came
out of my mouth, I'm not going
1098
00:97:35.180 --> 00:97:39.260
to start, and I get the
background. Yeah, I have to have
1099
00:97:39.420 --> 00:97:44.289
this exact Mike, I have to
have a new computer or whatever. Any
1100
00:97:44.329 --> 00:97:47.770
read you're giving yourself excuses or reasons, yea, to start instead of just
1101
00:97:47.930 --> 00:97:54.170
start, you know. So like
I made that decision little over here ago
1102
00:97:54.689 --> 00:97:59.840
that I'm just gonna Start doing you
know, we start just executing, put
1103
00:97:59.920 --> 00:98:05.239
it out there. They'll get better
as I go and it's worked out.
1104
00:98:05.359 --> 00:98:13.270
You know, we started the podcast. Like it took me from from the
1105
00:98:13.390 --> 00:98:17.670
thought of doing a podcast to actually
doing it. It took like seven months,
1106
00:98:17.989 --> 00:98:23.710
eight months, something like that,
you know, because I thought about
1107
00:98:23.750 --> 00:98:27.069
it and then I was like I
want to be perfect. What's IT GOING
1108
00:98:27.109 --> 00:98:31.619
TO BE? A wow, this
that it's took a while. But then
1109
00:98:31.699 --> 00:98:38.739
as just like you know what,
and I kind of used like my host
1110
00:98:39.140 --> 00:98:43.289
is like a crutch, you know, to help get over that initial fear,
1111
00:98:43.689 --> 00:98:48.010
and that's why I have a colost
you know, and I would use
1112
00:98:48.050 --> 00:98:54.289
as an excuse, like she's not
pretty and Blah, Blah Blah. Finally
1113
00:98:54.329 --> 00:98:58.199
I was just like that next week. I'm like, can you do it
1114
00:98:58.279 --> 00:99:01.279
on Friday, literally, like next
week. We're started, and we just
1115
00:99:01.800 --> 00:99:05.680
started and in the first episode was
just a two of us. Next thing
1116
00:99:05.760 --> 00:99:12.069
I know, I got, you
know, guests and just took off show.
1117
00:99:12.109 --> 00:99:14.670
It's gotten better, like if you
go back and look now from the
1118
00:99:14.750 --> 00:99:19.229
first one, it's like God,
is so raw and this that's a nearly
1119
00:99:19.390 --> 00:99:28.220
pocket to the end. We're you
know, we had a owner of a
1120
00:99:28.260 --> 00:99:36.220
national chain brewery on and we're being
asked to go to these these places,
1121
00:99:38.340 --> 00:99:42.210
and that evolved to you know,
it's not like like gears, where you're
1122
00:99:42.289 --> 00:99:46.890
and your own studio, which was
the plan in the beginning. But we
1123
00:99:47.010 --> 00:99:56.239
had to shift because we started getting
invited to places like come here to our
1124
00:99:56.279 --> 00:100:03.720
reliasing business and we'll do it from
here. So we had to become versatile,
1125
00:100:03.880 --> 00:100:06.989
had to you know. So we
changed everything. We don't have a
1126
00:100:08.069 --> 00:100:12.670
set up like cares. We work
up the PEL mics and, you know,
1127
00:100:12.829 --> 00:100:18.029
tripods and everything. We're we're going
from place to place. But that
1128
00:100:19.630 --> 00:100:26.939
initially, and my cohost is also
a real turn, was designed for a
1129
00:100:27.020 --> 00:100:33.060
purpose, right, and the purpose
being was to get out of obscurity,
1130
00:100:33.100 --> 00:100:39.689
right, to become an avenue,
to become known, like and trusted in
1131
00:100:40.449 --> 00:100:46.050
your area. So it was a
way to get in front of you to
1132
00:100:46.289 --> 00:100:53.159
like become even though it's not about
real estate, and that's by design,
1133
00:100:53.239 --> 00:100:57.479
because there's enough podcast about real estate. So I said, well, what's
1134
00:100:57.479 --> 00:101:01.760
the other thing that's relevant? Why
don't we make it on on Tampa,
1135
00:101:02.159 --> 00:101:08.550
you know, and make it about
other people, about other businesses, and
1136
00:101:08.949 --> 00:101:14.550
we'll just be the people that host
that, you know, and they'll get
1137
00:101:14.550 --> 00:101:17.430
to know us and at times we
drop a little a we say I were
1138
00:101:17.579 --> 00:101:24.420
yeah, you know, realtors or
whatever will mention it, but this allowed
1139
00:101:24.539 --> 00:101:28.420
us to do a couple things that
other realtors can't, especially if you own
1140
00:101:28.420 --> 00:101:31.420
a show. And when it comes
to like target marketing with facebook and stuff,
1141
00:101:32.409 --> 00:101:39.810
we've figured out ways to utilize that
for our real estate business, not
1142
00:101:40.569 --> 00:101:45.449
up front and then your face,
but like in the background, right.
1143
00:101:45.529 --> 00:101:51.640
So all those people that have seen
our podcast or listen to our podcast,
1144
00:101:51.800 --> 00:101:59.159
we can, you know, through
facebook advertising. We can target them target
1145
00:101:59.239 --> 00:102:03.869
marketing. Yeah, facebook, they
probably an under utilized and cheap, relatively
1146
00:102:03.909 --> 00:102:08.590
cheap, form of advertisement, right, and I've just started doing a lot
1147
00:102:08.630 --> 00:102:16.020
of it with real estate, like
I've really ramped up my target marketing strategy
1148
00:102:16.380 --> 00:102:20.939
with facebook. So, Robert,
what is what is your typical day?
1149
00:102:21.060 --> 00:102:26.779
Now. Like so you have casino, you're finished with dealing cars, and
1150
00:102:27.140 --> 00:102:30.850
so what is your you mentioned it
when we first started chatting in the beginning
1151
00:102:30.890 --> 00:102:33.890
that you're you're into a few different
things in your kind of busy yeah,
1152
00:102:34.050 --> 00:102:43.170
so what is your typical week look
like? Well, I've still like to
1153
00:102:43.409 --> 00:102:45.159
you know, if the rights of
suation comes along, I'd still like to
1154
00:102:45.239 --> 00:102:47.960
buy cars again, and then too. Right now it's not a good time
1155
00:102:48.039 --> 00:102:55.359
to be in that business. But
and in the casino thing is kind of
1156
00:102:55.479 --> 00:103:00.229
a hiatus because the covid and everything. I mean they're open, but me
1157
00:103:00.350 --> 00:103:04.670
being part time and just on the
weekends, it's kind of like I'm not
1158
00:103:04.789 --> 00:103:09.149
needed right now, like I don't
need anyways. Like the real estate's just
1159
00:103:09.270 --> 00:103:15.260
too busy right now. I don't
know if you're familiar with like what's going
1160
00:103:15.300 --> 00:103:20.739
on and in the states as far
as like real estate, but it's it's
1161
00:103:20.859 --> 00:103:25.300
so said. I was talking to
my aunt yesterday, two days ago,
1162
00:103:25.340 --> 00:103:28.369
and she said the same thing in
Canada. Don't buy a house. It's
1163
00:103:28.489 --> 00:103:32.729
you know, it's a seller's market. It's a seller's market, but it's
1164
00:103:32.729 --> 00:103:39.409
also a buyers market because of the
low interest rates right now. Okay,
1165
00:103:41.520 --> 00:103:45.439
the interest rates haven't been a little
and I don't think forever. So the
1166
00:103:45.880 --> 00:103:49.680
the buyers, even though the sellers
are get top dollar for their their house,
1167
00:103:50.600 --> 00:103:55.079
in the long run the buyers are. When the interest rates where they
1168
00:103:55.119 --> 00:103:58.869
are, the buyers are saving money. To write, from like a year
1169
00:103:58.909 --> 00:104:02.630
ago where it was up almost a
percent on the interest rate, even if
1170
00:104:02.670 --> 00:104:09.590
the house was fifteen, twentyzero cheaper, you're still paying less now because that
1171
00:104:09.789 --> 00:104:15.180
interest rate is that much cheaper.
Right. So there's a lot of that.
1172
00:104:15.340 --> 00:104:17.819
So there's a pent up demand too. So there's a lot of people
1173
00:104:17.859 --> 00:104:21.819
that have been hunt up for last
few years, that been waiting for the
1174
00:104:21.859 --> 00:104:27.529
right moment to buy and now,
with the interest rates where they are,
1175
00:104:27.609 --> 00:104:33.810
like I said, it's a good
time to buy. I I do take
1176
00:104:33.890 --> 00:104:36.529
on buyers. You know, I
do both sides. I do selling,
1177
00:104:36.810 --> 00:104:42.760
you know, listings and and and
buyers, but I focus all my energy
1178
00:104:42.840 --> 00:104:48.920
and efforts into listings. It's I
just read the work with sellers buyers can
1179
00:104:48.960 --> 00:104:55.829
be time consuming and you know something
can prefer ad buyers, but he personally,
1180
00:104:55.869 --> 00:105:02.229
I mean I like working with working
with the sellers. I like get
1181
00:105:02.310 --> 00:105:09.460
in the House right now, for
instance, like over this past week I've
1182
00:105:09.460 --> 00:105:13.060
been really busy. I kind of
wasn't going to do this anymore, but
1183
00:105:14.460 --> 00:105:19.579
it was a referral and the house
needs like a lot of stuff, a
1184
00:105:19.659 --> 00:105:25.090
lot of updates. Right, they
didn't update. It's Nice House, but
1185
00:105:26.050 --> 00:105:30.329
the kitchen is outdated. There's a
whole bunch of out these stuff. It's
1186
00:105:30.329 --> 00:105:34.760
kind of all different colors on walls
and everything. So I went in and
1187
00:105:36.319 --> 00:105:41.560
I designed out a kitchen. I
designed, you know, all this stuff.
1188
00:105:42.279 --> 00:105:45.479
I heard contractors. I took care
of everything. Basically, the guy
1189
00:105:45.560 --> 00:105:50.109
left. He's like, take care
of whatever, it's got to be taken
1190
00:105:50.149 --> 00:105:54.510
care of, and I said listen, like, Oh, this is what
1191
00:105:54.630 --> 00:105:58.029
we need to do. If you
spend this much, you will make this
1192
00:105:58.149 --> 00:106:00.430
much back. Right, if ever
we sell the house right now, this
1193
00:106:00.550 --> 00:106:05.180
is what it's worth. If we
put in x amount of dollars and we
1194
00:106:05.300 --> 00:106:10.979
do these necessary upgrades, this is
how much you can expect to make.
1195
00:106:11.420 --> 00:106:17.609
So basically I help sellers be their
own flippers, right, because this house,
1196
00:106:18.050 --> 00:106:23.130
for instance, would have probably been
bought by a flipper, would have
1197
00:106:23.170 --> 00:106:29.010
been bought by somebody at a cheap
amount. They were another right in there.
1198
00:106:29.130 --> 00:106:30.170
They would have blew out the kitchen. They would have done all the
1199
00:106:30.210 --> 00:106:33.680
upgrades and then they were sold of
for a profit. So yeah, I'm
1200
00:106:33.760 --> 00:106:39.199
people who own those houses for so
long have little idea what needs to be
1201
00:106:39.279 --> 00:106:43.239
done in them and right probably don't
becauser in setting it. They know,
1202
00:106:44.520 --> 00:106:47.590
yeah, it's been fine for them, right, you know, they don't
1203
00:106:47.590 --> 00:106:55.470
realize, you know it's not ready
for reason. So I kind of enabled
1204
00:106:55.550 --> 00:107:05.220
them to do that flip it themselves. So this guy's going to make two
1205
00:107:05.300 --> 00:107:11.420
to three dollars on his money.
Didn't return of what he's investing now.
1206
00:107:12.699 --> 00:107:17.529
So prior to the prior to him
doing this, to been lucky to listed
1207
00:107:17.569 --> 00:107:23.569
at two hundred and sixty and get
round two hundred and fifty. After we're
1208
00:107:23.609 --> 00:107:30.239
going to be right about three hundred. And that's with minimal investment, as
1209
00:107:30.319 --> 00:107:38.439
minimal as possible. So so I've
been busy with that and that takes a
1210
00:107:38.479 --> 00:107:44.470
lot of time to so I like
to work with new builds. For instance,
1211
00:107:44.710 --> 00:107:48.390
I got a client, he's an
investor and I've done I've done some
1212
00:107:48.470 --> 00:107:54.310
business with him. What's funny is
I got him out of a out of
1213
00:107:54.390 --> 00:107:59.060
a like a local APP called next
story. I'm the head that in South
1214
00:107:59.060 --> 00:108:05.380
Korea, but it's usually just like
for neighbors. H He wanted a round
1215
00:108:05.420 --> 00:108:12.020
property, so I took on his
rental and out of that we'll come to
1216
00:108:12.060 --> 00:108:15.090
find out he's that's what he does. He buys and holds and rents properties.
1217
00:108:17.170 --> 00:108:24.689
But I've also gotten three New York
geeky clients that are all coaches for
1218
00:108:24.850 --> 00:108:32.560
the inkies. From that one rental
I've sold, yeah, like three houses
1219
00:108:32.760 --> 00:108:38.880
and I'm working on three more,
and he's in my investor mself, is
1220
00:108:38.920 --> 00:108:43.550
going to buy it like a bunch
more. So I've convinced him to go
1221
00:108:43.710 --> 00:108:47.590
to new construction because things are right
now. It's tough because the the resale
1222
00:108:47.670 --> 00:108:54.510
market is high, but they're still
selling like super fast. So any decent
1223
00:108:54.630 --> 00:108:59.859
house that's out there, if you
want to clean house, which he does,
1224
00:109:00.220 --> 00:109:02.300
because he's not flipper. He's,
like I said, buy and hold.
1225
00:109:02.420 --> 00:109:05.500
He wants to buy it and be
able to put minimum amount of money
1226
00:109:05.539 --> 00:109:09.859
into it. Just put a render
in there. All right. So I
1227
00:109:09.979 --> 00:109:13.930
said, listen, like we had, we had an offering a one house
1228
00:109:14.010 --> 00:109:17.649
in the roof was bad, so
it fell through. I said, wow,
1229
00:109:17.810 --> 00:109:23.890
we go to new construction, and
this is after we lost out of
1230
00:109:24.010 --> 00:109:29.359
two other houses like let's go in
new construction, because everything's new. You
1231
00:109:29.359 --> 00:109:30.800
don't have to worry about the growth, you don't have to worry about the
1232
00:109:31.399 --> 00:109:36.600
clients does anything. It's news.
The warranty for ten years. I go
1233
00:109:36.720 --> 00:109:42.029
and you're going to start turning profit
right away. Well, selling new construction
1234
00:109:42.149 --> 00:109:45.949
is pretty simple. There's not a
quat. You know, I'm basically bring
1235
00:109:46.029 --> 00:109:50.989
them to the contract the builder.
We're filling out the forms or doing that,
1236
00:109:53.220 --> 00:109:57.220
and they've almost had like alias and
somebody that takes it, takes the
1237
00:109:57.300 --> 00:110:01.979
ball and runs with it. I
just got to show up and make sure
1238
00:110:01.979 --> 00:110:08.569
all the paper works good and whatnot. So it's not a lot of running
1239
00:110:08.569 --> 00:110:12.729
around. Right, I'm not taking
the them from house to house stops,
1240
00:110:13.489 --> 00:110:20.720
so it's a little bit better in
essence. So I've started shifting towards more
1241
00:110:20.840 --> 00:110:30.880
luxury looking to sell for listings luxury
homes and for buyers on marketing to new
1242
00:110:30.960 --> 00:110:38.229
construction right, because I'm not going
to be going and taking them to twenty
1243
00:110:38.270 --> 00:110:42.270
houses just for them to say I
want to see a few more. You
1244
00:110:42.390 --> 00:110:48.590
know that takes that takes a lot
of time. So you know, I've
1245
00:110:48.670 --> 00:111:00.859
transitioned through this period of covid you
know and really learned a lot about like
1246
00:111:00.060 --> 00:111:10.409
target marketing and some other marketing stuff
that I'm now using, like one of
1247
00:111:10.409 --> 00:111:15.289
the things you've found me on Linkedin. linkings are great resource. Yeah,
1248
00:111:15.770 --> 00:111:24.079
and I've started using linked in to
to seek business. So there's a lot
1249
00:111:24.119 --> 00:111:28.960
of people, for instance, from
New York. They're leaving New York,
1250
00:111:29.319 --> 00:111:32.829
New Jersey, you know that try
state area and moving to Florida. Want
1251
00:111:32.869 --> 00:111:39.430
to don't want the cold, no
more cold taxes, and or they just
1252
00:111:39.470 --> 00:111:43.750
don't want to be in the city
to anymore. Yeah, so what I've
1253
00:111:43.789 --> 00:111:51.460
done through Linkedin is I've gone to
agents up there and instead of them normally
1254
00:111:51.539 --> 00:111:59.699
what happens is they get a client
that says I'm moving Florida, some of
1255
00:111:59.739 --> 00:112:04.529
my house right and then so they
post somewhere that they need a referral for
1256
00:112:05.689 --> 00:112:10.369
a client that's moving to a certain
area. I said, well, I'll
1257
00:112:10.970 --> 00:112:15.369
head it off and I'll just make
my offer to those agents and tell them
1258
00:112:15.409 --> 00:112:20.079
I'll pay them a referral fee of
you know, high referral fee, thirty
1259
00:112:20.119 --> 00:112:27.079
percent be in. The normal standard
is usually like twenty five percent, and
1260
00:112:27.319 --> 00:112:31.350
they'll think of me when they have
somebody moving down and as the whole thing
1261
00:112:32.270 --> 00:112:38.670
I said, and sometimes people come
down here first to check it out,
1262
00:112:39.029 --> 00:112:43.310
you know, and they might drive
around with me to different places or reach
1263
00:112:43.350 --> 00:112:46.180
out to me to see a place
and then tell me they have a house
1264
00:112:46.260 --> 00:112:53.420
to sell up in New Jersey and
now I need the ages over there to
1265
00:112:53.739 --> 00:112:56.500
die. Know could sell their house
quick so they can buy a house here
1266
00:112:56.779 --> 00:113:03.409
for me. So I've used linkedin. Has Been Great for that also for
1267
00:113:04.010 --> 00:113:14.039
like meeting like divorce lawyers and a
state attorneys and something that is is forwards.
1268
00:113:17.560 --> 00:113:26.520
So that's all in the last last
year I've been building like then.
1269
00:113:27.350 --> 00:113:33.630
I'm well over Tozero connections now,
but I think there's a I think there's
1270
00:113:33.630 --> 00:113:40.630
a lot to be to be done
tapped into. Yeah, absolutely, definitely
1271
00:113:41.430 --> 00:113:49.579
under US resource. Robert, what
has been the biggest difficulty for you in
1272
00:113:49.699 --> 00:113:57.649
your work in real estate from Your
Life? Nope, from your life experience
1273
00:113:58.130 --> 00:114:03.609
work, it's been the most physical. What has been your challenge for you?
1274
00:114:09.890 --> 00:114:17.079
Just a question, because I think
each career has at different challenges,
1275
00:114:17.479 --> 00:114:20.720
especially well, even those when you're
speaking. I was thinking like in the
1276
00:114:20.840 --> 00:114:26.310
Casino. It's almost similar real estate
and casino. Like I see as a
1277
00:114:26.390 --> 00:114:33.390
casino from our boss and also in
between these these the dealer in the player
1278
00:114:33.630 --> 00:114:38.550
and the buyer and the cellar,
and you're maneuvering all these people in a
1279
00:114:38.979 --> 00:114:45.500
very strategic way. Yeah, I
mean there are definitely similarities. There's and
1280
00:114:45.659 --> 00:114:51.220
some skills that you would use,
especially like the way you talk to people,
1281
00:114:51.420 --> 00:115:01.050
the customer service wise, and maybe
diffusion certain situations kind of be able
1282
00:115:01.130 --> 00:115:05.770
to negotiate things right, and that's
one of the things did as a fit
1283
00:115:05.850 --> 00:115:13.279
manager. Not Everything was black and
white, you know, there's you operate
1284
00:115:13.359 --> 00:115:16.960
in the gray area a lot of
the times, you know, and that's
1285
00:115:16.960 --> 00:115:23.590
what people don't realize, you know. So you try to make the best
1286
00:115:23.670 --> 00:115:32.189
of the situation. But challenge wise, I guess, is probably within myself,
1287
00:115:32.470 --> 00:115:39.979
you know, just having like super
high expectations of everything that I'm doing.
1288
00:115:41.060 --> 00:115:45.180
Sometimes, you know, I think
they're achievable, you know, but
1289
00:115:46.899 --> 00:115:57.810
you know, I think just being
hard on myself and challenge in myself to
1290
00:115:57.970 --> 00:116:03.600
always like I've gotten in my own
own way, I guess, in a
1291
00:116:03.720 --> 00:116:11.159
way where I've started over, like
I could have done what everybody has done.
1292
00:116:11.399 --> 00:116:16.039
Seem the business for most people do
that are to have aspirations of being,
1293
00:116:16.479 --> 00:116:23.869
you know, high up that kind
of hasn't been my I think I've
1294
00:116:23.869 --> 00:116:29.069
always known there was a ceiling,
right, you know. Yeah, I
1295
00:116:29.109 --> 00:116:34.819
could go on to be the vice
president the table games, you know,
1296
00:116:35.380 --> 00:116:42.619
but I'm still your Max salary.
You know you're going to be. There's
1297
00:116:42.619 --> 00:116:49.569
a ceiling right with real estate and
doing something on your own and benefits,
1298
00:116:49.649 --> 00:116:55.890
and you know from that, from
your efforts, heard of your labor yeah,
1299
00:116:56.130 --> 00:117:00.600
yeah, is is something that's always
intrigued me. So I am my
1300
00:117:00.800 --> 00:117:05.680
only limited factor as far as being
a business for myself being in the real
1301
00:117:05.720 --> 00:117:11.359
estate. But it's been tough.
It's not like I thought it was going
1302
00:117:11.399 --> 00:117:13.319
to be, you know, and
I thought it was a plan B,
1303
00:117:14.239 --> 00:117:17.069
like I'll just go and sell a
few houses, I'll be good, it'll
1304
00:117:17.069 --> 00:117:20.350
be a good thing to step back, and it hasn't been. And now
1305
00:117:20.510 --> 00:117:25.789
it's become like my mission. You
know, it's one of those things where
1306
00:117:25.789 --> 00:117:31.739
I'm I just can't I can't stop, like I have to make like I
1307
00:117:31.819 --> 00:117:39.180
have goals, like high goals.
I don't know. I want to be
1308
00:117:39.380 --> 00:117:43.739
the best. You know, I
look at the guys that are the best
1309
00:117:44.850 --> 00:117:49.850
in my industry and in my area
and that's my goal. You know,
1310
00:117:50.050 --> 00:117:55.090
it's not to just sell a few
houses, be successful, whatever. I
1311
00:117:55.250 --> 00:117:59.359
want to beat that guy, you
know. I want to beat that first.
1312
00:118:00.159 --> 00:118:08.760
So it's become a most affliction.
If in real estate them will keep
1313
00:118:08.760 --> 00:118:12.239
it to that. What is something
a joy or something that you like the
1314
00:118:12.279 --> 00:118:17.189
most about your job? What I
like? I love it, even like
1315
00:118:17.350 --> 00:118:20.510
the other day, you know this
this guy I'm doing this house for,
1316
00:118:23.149 --> 00:118:30.100
he text me my phone and you
know het, we haven't seen the fruits
1317
00:118:30.340 --> 00:118:33.619
of the Labor yet, right,
we haven't seen we haven't sold it because
1318
00:118:33.699 --> 00:118:36.500
I haven't put it on the market. I got people knocking to my daughter
1319
00:118:36.539 --> 00:118:45.289
to come see it, but it's
not it's not ready. So he text
1320
00:118:45.409 --> 00:118:53.289
me and he's like, what do
you say? Something about me being the
1321
00:118:53.369 --> 00:119:02.760
best. Right, and that to
me meant more. So he said,
1322
00:119:04.920 --> 00:119:10.270
he said thank you for the hard
work, and I say, you know,
1323
00:119:10.390 --> 00:119:13.029
you're welcome. I want to do
a great job for you, because
1324
00:119:13.109 --> 00:119:17.310
that's why you are highly recommended by
my friends, best of the best.
1325
00:119:18.470 --> 00:119:24.460
Now, that is what it was
for me, like I'm not thinking about
1326
00:119:24.859 --> 00:119:29.739
money, I'm thinking about doing like
a great job for him, the best,
1327
00:119:29.899 --> 00:119:32.699
the best. Yeah, I can
be in the best, you know,
1328
00:119:32.819 --> 00:119:39.729
so that you know that for me
was like is what it's about,
1329
00:119:40.489 --> 00:119:46.489
you know, just being the best
thinking Robert, from sixteen year old with
1330
00:119:46.649 --> 00:119:51.810
your dad on the cold streets of
New York. I only did in the
1331
00:119:51.880 --> 00:119:55.800
summer. Well, actually, no, I like, I did do it
1332
00:119:55.880 --> 00:119:59.359
once in the winter and I'm from
Nova, Scotia's not very hot. Ever,
1333
00:120:01.199 --> 00:120:10.069
to your journey through work. How
has work helped you through your life?
1334
00:120:11.590 --> 00:120:16.470
Well, I mean like going back
to that story of gross and maturing,
1335
00:120:17.029 --> 00:120:23.899
you know, and and like at
the Casino on the boat when I
1336
00:120:23.979 --> 00:120:30.739
had that incident and and that growth
as a person, I could God,
1337
00:120:31.060 --> 00:120:38.409
I might not not gotten anywhere but
at work right. So that night,
1338
00:120:40.329 --> 00:120:45.770
who knows what? What have I
done? It gets you purpose, because
1339
00:120:45.810 --> 00:120:50.399
a reason to grow up and do
do things. A couple more questions,
1340
00:120:50.439 --> 00:120:54.760
Robert. How do you find rest? What do you do in your rest?
1341
00:120:56.479 --> 00:121:03.239
What's that rest'll right, this is
rest. Being out here with you
1342
00:121:03.430 --> 00:121:08.029
is rest. Right now, I've
enjoyed this very much. This should be
1343
00:121:08.069 --> 00:121:14.109
at the house because my Cambins are
going in. But but how do you?
1344
00:121:14.270 --> 00:121:16.390
How do you get rest? I
mean if your wife is around,
1345
00:121:16.470 --> 00:121:21.220
like how do you? You know, I try to get book it in,
1346
00:121:21.500 --> 00:121:25.939
or how do you know that's like
the best thing you probably do is,
1347
00:121:26.020 --> 00:121:29.340
like, dude, time block,
but and I tried to, but
1348
00:121:29.500 --> 00:121:31.579
it never works. It's just because
some things come up, you know,
1349
00:121:31.779 --> 00:121:38.970
people things have what people call you
at different times. There's different fires to
1350
00:121:39.050 --> 00:121:44.930
put out and in my you know, I'm doing the podcast as well.
1351
00:121:47.000 --> 00:121:53.880
I had other aspirations as well outside
the real estate, you know, and
1352
00:121:54.760 --> 00:122:00.720
with business, excuse me, like
I want to do. There's other businesses
1353
00:122:00.920 --> 00:122:06.189
that want to start. I want
to those guys. It just isn't gonna
1354
00:122:08.590 --> 00:122:11.949
isn't going to stop. Like I'm
not going to rest on my successors once
1355
00:122:11.989 --> 00:122:15.069
I get where I want to be
with the real estate. That's there's something
1356
00:122:15.189 --> 00:122:19.380
else. Like right now, I
just have to keep my focus on doing
1357
00:122:19.460 --> 00:122:24.659
what I'm doing. As far as
the real stands, tough, because other
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opportunities come around or I think of
something else and I want to shift some
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focus towards that and it's just not
the right moment. There's no rest.
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There's no rest, there's no I'm
always, even when I'm resting me,
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if I'm watching to night, paying
attention to it, I'm are about something
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or I'm on my phone replying to
an email or something. I mean it's
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good, though. I mean there's
there's you do, takes out, we
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sleep right, you sit down and
eat. There is rest involved in some
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of those things and playing on our
phone, and there's other people who just
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do it too much. Yeah,
they they just I don't know, I
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don't think. Don't know how drive. Yeah, what is your what is
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your advice for those people, or
people not not, that are not doing
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because they don't discourage or just straught, they're in between jobs, they don't
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know what to do with themselves?
What's your advice, Robert? You've seen
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a lot of people, from highs
and lows, to the good and the
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bad. But what are the things
that treats me? Is Passion, right,
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I think you got to have passion
something right. Maybe not. Maybe
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your passion is cars. You know, I'm a car guys, so I
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thought I was sell cars, you
know, but you know, I enjoy
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it. Is it my passion?
I don't know. My passion is is
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really helping people, like helping people
buy House or realizing that dream right in
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the casino. From a manager standpoint, it is helping those people achieve being
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the best at a dealing, whether
it's dealing or whatever it is helping them
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be that people that are out of
work right now. It's just figure out
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your passion or even, you know, watch people that have passion. Like
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I don't know if it's necessary for
the motivation, like one of the things
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I do in the mornings as I'll
watch a motivation of it, you know,
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whether it's Gary V or or,
you know, somebody like that.
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I see that that's that's doing and
you know, he doesn't ask a lot
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of kind of people. You know
it. Sometimes it's just a matter is
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that vice is like save money,
you know, or go to garage sale
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and then re sell something, you
know, on so they're very attainable goals.
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Right. I look at David Kogan, or Gogins, David ggins,
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is his story and it's motivation.
I think you gotta gotta want more,
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right, you know, and sometimes
work is only where you can get there.
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If you don't like your job,
if you despise it, you should
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be doing it. You know,
somebody else would do it. The words
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I can end go find your passion, even if that means not having a
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paycheck for him, and you know, eventually it'll pay off. That's that's
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how I feel Robert. Where can
people find you? How can they get
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in contact with you, especially if
they're anywhere in the states that are thinking
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about coming or leaven, Tampa or
leavin? I don't know. I leave.
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Look at this, look at behind
me. I know, I,
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I know, I would you want
to leave that? No, I'd done
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it twice, right, or three
that? Yeah, twice, yeah,
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okay, twice, but yeah,
I think you find me. Yeah,
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I'm all over. You can find
me at Tampa robcom. Email me at
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sold at Tampa Acom. You can
find my podcast. This is Tampa podcastcom.
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00:126:36.640 --> 00:126:42.680
God, or else I've everything or
the thanks. Find you on Linkedin.
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Linkedin, we're probably INSTAGRAM, twitter, although, yeah, instagram.
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On facebook, I think my handle
is real estate problem. They won't let
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me put Tampa Roup, but I
think I got Tampa Roup, that Tampa
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up xp on Instagram, the whole
thing. Is there anything TAMPA AND ROMP
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ROB? Let's remember that, or
anything in Tampa, rob is there anything
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else you'd like to say or add
based on our conversation? Are you're thinking
1412
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about in terms of work? In
terms of work, or anything else?
1413
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Yeah, or anything else? Yeah, I mean, I mean not not
1414
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that I looked at the time at
all once. Just did. Now we've
1415
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been talking for two hours and forty
five minutes. You have not broke a
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record. This is it is a
record. It has. I'm a bit
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of a talker. That's so.
I'm sorry for taking your time, but
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is there anything else you want to
add? It's refreshing. I mean just
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you know, like I say,
find your passion. You know, they
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say if you do something you love, you never work a day in your
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life. I kind of feel like
that. You don't know what pass is
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going to take you down here.
I'm not they stay true. Were about
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to retire like I thought I'd be. It took me on a totally different
1424
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path, but I wouldn't trade it
for the world. So yeah, well,
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that's like I listened to gave V
too, and he's like, well,
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just imagine if you could go back, you go to heaven, you
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go back and you find out you
were a state trooper and you got shot
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your first day at work, right, three days later, right, and
1429
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then you look at this life and
then now you have something totally different.
1430
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Yeah, it's definitely the totally different
path and that, like you said,
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you know, now that I think
about it. I'm like, man,
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I probably would have been like sitting
in the car and done it's most of
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the time anyway, I wait out
of my money. We truly appreciate state
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troopers all over the course. Yeah, but yeah, I would have been.
1435
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It have been definitely different life,
I think. Closing inclosing, Robert,
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why do you work when I work? What else am I going to
1437
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do? I don't know what else
am I going to do. I gotta
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I actually enjoy it as much as
they like. People like to complain about
1439
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it or whatever. You know what, I think a lot of people realize
1440
00:129:24.170 --> 00:129:26.319
it now to especially like in the
last few months. People want to get
1441
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back to work. Right they been, you know, how to work because
1442
00:129:31.479 --> 00:129:37.829
of Covid you know, prior to
that, and February they're complaining about their
1443
00:129:37.829 --> 00:129:43.789
job, you know, and may
there like I just want go back to
1444
00:129:43.949 --> 00:129:48.029
work. I just want go back
to work because it's a party, it's
1445
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a part of who you are.
You touched on it and I think my
1446
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dear wife and I, we bought
our first home three days ago. Three
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00:129:58.300 --> 00:130:03.619
days ago, yeah, apartment,
not a home, I mean not a
1448
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house, but an apartment. And, as you and I mentioned at the
1449
00:130:07.449 --> 00:130:11.649
beginning I didn't care so much.
I'm like, we can come here,
1450
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we can go there, it doesn't
matter. But the joy that it brought
1451
00:130:18.569 --> 00:130:24.520
my dear wife I have. I
mean she's been asking me for home for
1452
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fourteen years. We moved back and
forth from Canada creecer. But the the
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on her, the burden that that
represented of not having that security or that
1454
00:130:35.989 --> 00:130:41.909
the nest, I saw lifted that
day. And it's all thanks to our
1455
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real estate agent. Yeah, right, we set that up and and and
1456
00:130:46.869 --> 00:130:50.500
we know that as real estate agents, you know, we might look like
1457
00:130:50.659 --> 00:130:54.739
we're talking to you, but we're
really talking to her. Like you know,
1458
00:130:56.619 --> 00:131:01.859
to sell anything right, you you
sell with the motion and and you
1459
00:131:01.939 --> 00:131:05.970
back it up with logic, right, and this is where the guys come
1460
00:131:05.010 --> 00:131:09.409
in, you know, that's where
you make it logical sense. You know,
1461
00:131:09.489 --> 00:131:13.250
you hit the wife of the emotion
of it, because that's how they're
1462
00:131:13.250 --> 00:131:16.729
going to make their buying decisions,
and you back it up with logic because
1463
00:131:16.729 --> 00:131:24.880
that's how the guy thinks. And
really it makes sense. She was overwhelmed
1464
00:131:24.920 --> 00:131:28.000
with joy and she still is,
because it's the process isn't done, but
1465
00:131:28.640 --> 00:131:31.680
she's quite happy that we started it. It was logical for you, because
1466
00:131:31.680 --> 00:131:37.989
it's now here's a heavy way happy
life. Anyone out there listening? By
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00:131:39.069 --> 00:131:43.350
the House, by the House,
a house. So I appreciate Robert.
1468
00:131:43.430 --> 00:131:46.630
Thank you very much, sir,
and you've been a gentleman through this whole
1469
00:131:46.670 --> 00:131:50.659
thing and you've brought me down a
road that I will not soon forget.
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Good, let enjoyed it. No, I truly did go watches her because
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you know, Jack, remember,
I got it right here, right here,
1472
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if it's not too larious, man. Thank you, sir. Talk
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to you her. Thank you.
By her. Thank you for listening to
1474
00:132:07.369 --> 00:132:13.369
this episode of why we work with
Brian Ving. Be Sure to subscribe,
1475
00:132:13.010 --> 00:132:18.399
follow and share with others so they
too can be encouraged in their work.
1476
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I hope that you have yourself a
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work.
