Nostalgia: Mithridatism

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I will revisit at the end and do a very
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brief little update. All right, welcome to Why We Do
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Hmm.
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Anyway, today we're going to talk about a phenomenon of
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self poisoning. Ah now, yes, important note not suicide, right,
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This is not at all about self poisoning, specifically with
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the intention of that resulting in a fatal dose of poisoning,
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but self poisoning with the intention of surviving the poison.
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Mm hmm.
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I like that.
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And this is not self poisoning by putting on a
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poison record and listening to Brett Michael's vocals over and
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over and over again. That's not the type of self
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poisoning we're talking about either.
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Indeed, although I suppose that my fall to the category
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of what we're talking about, depending on how you think
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about eighties.
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Metal, I feel like if I were to show this
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to my dad, he would be like, He's like, yeah, no,
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I self poison throughout the entire seventies and eighties.
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Day and it takes like less than a second.
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Help us out, that's what we're asking. Yeah, all right,
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So this is going to be a short one, mostly
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because we're sort of telling a short story and then
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understanding the context of this and how this applies to
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things that we do currently in life. Yeah, and so
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let's dive in, as they say, Yeah, I think that's
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the word in the legend of Mithridates or I've also
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found that it was pronounced Mithridates, depending on who you're
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talking to. And this is a person who lived roughly
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one hundred and thirty or one hundred and twenty to
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sixty three BCE. And for those of you who are
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familiar with Roman history, Rome was notorious for citizens poisoning
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one another, poison mushrooms, other similar concoctions. There was this
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powder that they used that was arsenic triglyceride or something
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like that is an arsenic thing. Yeah, that was called
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the Successor powder because it was so effective at poisoning
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people and was I guess described as being used to
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topple many rulers and that sort of thing.
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I also liked the idea that it was like a
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big business, like thinking about like big box poison companies
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and stuff at the time, and like like different poison
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stores like and then there's like conspiracy theorists that are like, yeah,
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of course people are dying, it's big poison.
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Yeah, that's exactly right. It was. You could you could
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go pick up your sort of low grade right off
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the shelf Walmart poison or they had their their tradeois.
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Yeah exactly. Yeah. You either had your artisanal poisons or
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your just your dollar store poisons.
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Your organic poisons, and during certain times a year you'd
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also have pumpkin spice poison.
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So right specifically, so not unlike today.
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Not unlike today, Yes, absolutely so. People would poison their
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political rivals, family members who they didn't like people that
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thought they were swindlers. There were all kinds of reasons.
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It was pretty much justified at any point in time,
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if I wanted to poison somebody, I could poison somebody,
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and I'm gonna do it.
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That's right now we're still talking about Mithrid Deatees or Mithridates,
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but right now we're setting the context for the world
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in which he lived and talking about Rome here in
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the prevalence of poison. There were some considerations to keep
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in mind about these rumors, of these thoughts that Rome
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was this place of just everybody's killing everybody with poison. First,
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despite what is historically believed to be a widespread phenomenon,
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the fact or the idea that there's a lot of
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poisoning occurred, it was really attributed to women and slaves. Okay,
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these are the people who were not respected and didn't
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have any rights already, and they were the ones being
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accused of being the poisoners.
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Right, And this was fear mongering in service of classism, racism,
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and sexism. Basically, it was often believed that women were
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unscrupulous adulterers and so they were poisoning their husbands so
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that they could be with their new lovers. And so
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one source argued that in ancient Rome calling someone an
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adulteress essentially meant calling a person a poisoner. So they
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were kind of one and the same. And if you
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think about it, it makes sense, right, like these are
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these are folks that are marginalized people that are technically
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oppressed in some in some fashion, right, so they're trying
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to get out from under their oppressors. So poisoning is
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an effective way to get out of.
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It in a society that effectively and not to like
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misrepresent history or even really the Romans, but where you
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definitely had some clear examples of misogyny and a lot
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of generally to be expected in fidelity among men, infidelity
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among women was like so much worse that if they
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were they that they were the ones believed to just
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be doing it constantly, poisoning everyone in their wake. Right,
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And so that was sort of how that was described,
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which of horses, just a bunch of sexism, right, and
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not not even ending there. There's more to understand about
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this poisoning thing. It is possible that a significant proportion
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of outbreaks of death that were attributed to poison so
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people saying there is this huge rash of people dying,
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the adulteresses and slaves are added again, poisoning everyone around them.
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It was actually misunderstood epidemics of disease, and that that
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was actually ultimately the reason that there was all these
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deaths happening. But like so many things, when there is
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a lot of people dying, there is a scientific reasonable
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explanation like disease, and then there is a sexist, classist,
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racist explanation like there all these minority, marginalized groups are
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causing it because they're bad.
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If you hadn't picked this up from our history, we
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have a long tradition as a species of blaming certain
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groups specifically for diseases. Right, we blame immigrants like not we,
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I should say, but like Americans will blame immigrants for
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bringing in diseases or even like drug epidemics and stuff
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like that, when ultimately all the meth is made in
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Alabama and we.
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Know that that's right, and so yeah, yeah, we love
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to pick a group of people and blame them for
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something that's happening. Particularly, I've found that the group that's
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actually committing the problem, they're the ones usually pointing the
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fingers yep, absolutely, yeah, I just sort of picking a target.
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So all right. So we were talking about Mithridates, and
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the legend that we opened up with in this dialogue
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was about a boy who was destined to be the
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king of Pontus, which is in Asia for those of
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you are not familiar with your ancient historical geography. And
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he grew up in a household in which his mother
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was believed to have or at least suspected of poisoning
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his father, who was the king of Pontus, as would
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be the case now, as Mithridates was too young, I'm
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just gonna stick with me third eighties for the rest
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of this. If everyone that feels good, that's okay, cool
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to me, awesome, all right. So, as he was too
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young to take the throne when his father passed, his
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mother was the acting ruler. She was pretty cool with
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this because she's like, think of the power, you might call.
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So she was the assistant to the regional monarch, you
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might say, for us office fan service there. But as
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as Mithridates grew older, he was becoming eligible to take
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over these ruling duties, and he started becoming afraid of
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being poisoned by his mother. Or his brother, who he
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believed wanted to prevent him from ascending to power so
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that they could keep it for themselves, And so in
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fear of that happening, he ran away from home.
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Yeah, so on his drifting travels, he was paranoid about
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poisoning and experimented with strategies to make himself immune to poison.
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Some involved drinking the blood of animals he had poisoned
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and that subsequently died from the So just kind of
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like almost like microdosing a little bit this particular poison
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that he himself had enacted. And you know the thing is,
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is this idea, this being afraid of being poisoned, is
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a legit thing that you'll see across like any sort
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of like monarchy, or you'll see this kind of always
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go on. That's why kings would have tasters, right, who
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would taste food before food would arrive or like when
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it would arrive, to make sure that the food had
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itself had not been poisoned. Because people were always fighting
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for the throne and it happened within families. So it
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makes sense that he had this Like this wasn't like
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an irrational fear.
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For sure.
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This is a pretty legitimate fear for somebody in his position,
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and so they tried to do some things like drink blood.
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Interesting note about the tasters that I've always wondered about
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and I didn't look into in researching this topic, but
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it's a really good point that you raise is most
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poisons don't act fast enough for you for that to
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make any amount of sense, right, Like they would have
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to eat in the food like the day before to
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be able to actually demonstrate that it was safety. Like.
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There are very few poisons that are that, and I
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think if you were trying to poison them on ARC,
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you would know that and specifically choose one that wasn't
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fast acting so that it wouldn't be caught by their tasters, right,
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assuming they had any. And so anyway, that is just
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the thing I thought that was sort of like it
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seems like a totally pointless practice. I think what ultimately
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happened is that there was someone who got like a
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ton of like super fresh, really good free food and
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they're like, this is the job that I want and
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the job that I'm going to strive to have, and
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good on them, yeah, or they were forced into it,
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or they were forced into it, Yeah, it's like, if.
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You don't be my taster, I will take all of
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your land and make sure your family does not your
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genetic line does not continue.
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Yeah, and the taster got really fat. All right, Just
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be clear when you said he sort of poisoned the
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animals and then drank their blood. Mithrd Eate's was not
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the one that died. It was animals that died, because yes,
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he poisoned him, and it was delight diluting it by
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by putting in their blood and doing vampire things. But yeah,
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essentially with his experimenting with this, he kind of became
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like a scientist of poisons and death definitely became a
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super expert in poisons. He study the effects of poisons,
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He carefully measured his doses, he took copious notes on
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the results and his dosing and that sort of thing,
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and he learned to administer poisons, at least to himself,
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in sort of the service of understanding poisons and dosing.
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Yeah. So, although it's highly unlikely that he himself invented
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the practice itself, he also started microdosing poison cocktails, So
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that is, he took a bunch of poisons, but at
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such low doses that they weren't actually harming him, not
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in any significant way. And then he gradually increased the
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dosage over time. And you'll see people do this, like
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you'll hear people talking about microdosing acid now and stuff
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like that, or mushrooms. You know, people will do that
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for like experimenting with drugs, but people will do this
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for this type of this thing here where he's he's
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kind of trying to slowly build a tolerance to poison.
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So as his body habituated to the poisons, he would
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again increase the dose so he was no longer feeling sick.
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He could take the poison, wouldn't feel ill, And then
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what would then just make sure that he took a
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little bit more next time, and with enough exposure, his
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body would tolerate levels of poisoning that would be easily
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fatal to a sort of non enlightened individual.
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So real quick, Abraham, what what does habituated mean? And
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I'm going to say that in the four ky Toy story,
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four tone, what is habituated time?
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A great vocabulary. Yeah, habituated is you know, used in context.
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I think I tried so it sort of spells out here,
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but it really just means a decreasing response to the
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same presentation of some kind of stimulus or event or substance,
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like let's say, for example, a particular noise in your environment.
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If you habituate to it, it means your reaction to
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it and your noticing of it decreases over time as
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you sort of tune it out, baited out, if you will. Yeah,
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And that's that's also the case here is just sort
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of his reaction to the poison tight traded downward over time,
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And so that's that's what habituated means.
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It's a good word. I always use the example of
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like I grew up in a house where a train
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would go by the back of my house mm hm,
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and every time it would come through, it go bah
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bah really loud. And when we first moved in, it
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was very it was horrifying, yeah, because the whole house
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would shake too. And then the longer I lived there,
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I don't even notice it. I'm thirty five now and
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when I go to my parents' house, like, I don't
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even notice that it's going by.
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Yeah. Super. That's a super good example and one of
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the more common ones. I think often sided as people
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who live in sort of noisy areas and they just
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get used to it, and that getting used to it
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is a habituation piece. Yeah, cool, very good.
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I don't ever want to be in a position where
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I have to get used to poison, though.
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Well maybe maybe if life circumstances lead you there, you
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would want to be in that position.
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Yeah, I guess it's fair. I gets It's all context, right,
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It all depends.
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Are you planning to be the king of Pontus anytime soon?
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I mean, I have talked about getting knighted. There is
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a process for Americans to get knighted, so it's it's
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you know, it's on the way, all right, maybe, I think,
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sir doctor Professor Spiker, sounds good, that's right.
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Yeah, maybe maybe you're on this path.
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Probably not, Yeah, maybe I don't, I mean hopefully not.
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So.
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Apparently he became a rather skilled wartime technician as well,
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so of course, as an expert on poison, he also
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likely uses knowledge to secretly attack his enemies, which is
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like total espionized type of things. Sure, and there's a
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story that may he may have been the first leader
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to use chemical warfare by poisoning and invading Roman army.
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So this guy he's got a body count.
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Yeah, so he was really concerned about Rome sort of
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coming over and taking over Pontus as one of the
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last holdouts I guess against Roman rule. Anyway, So there's
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the story again, maybe true, maybe legend, who knows, there
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is something very real in the story. So, first of all,
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there are these Caucasian bees who collect pollen from rhododendron flowers.
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But the pollen that's collected from rhododendron flowers creates a
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toxic honey. This honey is called deli ball in modern
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Turkish or translates to mad honey. If you take this
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in relatively small doses, it'll cause diarrhea, vomiting, hallucinations, disorientation,
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and then in some cases it can be fatal. And
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so there's the story of this of mithradates essentially leaving
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out these just sort of casually planting these jars of
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honey deli ball or the matt honey along the path
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of the marching Roman army. They happen across these jars
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of honey and they eat it and become violently ill.
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And this sounds so much like like a Tom and
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Jerry cartoon, or like itchy and scratchy cartoon. You know.
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It's yeah, it's so dumb, like an you think about it,
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like it's like I found a jar honey. I go ooh,
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jar honey, I'm gonna eat this, like wild jar of
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honey exactly.
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Yeah, they were just just happened along these jars, and
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they're like someone left all this honey. Here, score, guys,
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let's have lunch.
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I also, I also really liked the idea of Caucasian
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bees because all I think of them is going to
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art markets during the during the winter and like being
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really stoked about pumpkin space.
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That's that's probably why they're called Caucasian bees.
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It's like, oh, I really, did you see my new dream? Nice?
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I like it?
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Oh man. So the legend goes on to speculate that
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as the Romans geared up to conquer Pontus, Mithridates began
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to fear that there was no possible victory or viable
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chance for escape. So Mithridates decided death was better than capture,
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and as an expert on poison and not a particularly
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creative person, he decided to poison himself and his daughters
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by taking massive quantities of poison. So he is on
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his way out. That's what he's trying to do.
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Yeah, and his daughters died instantly because they took massive
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quantities of poison. However, he had built up his tolerance
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so high that he not only didn't die, he instead
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ended up only feeling a little weak and out of sorts.
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And so, because he felt like there was no way
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to die from poisoning, he did get a little creatives,
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you know, when forced to do so, when one will
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do so, he asked someone to kill him in the
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more traditional way, which is a sword to the face.
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Yeah. I mean that's just it's usually like, that's what
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I would ask for, that's in my will.
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Yeah, you're like, I was ready to die and this
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just isn't happening. So grab that sword over there, please, Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Now this is entirely apocryphal. Don't know how much
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of this is actually true, but that's sort of how
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the legend goes and where we get to our understanding
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of this this thing from mithridates.
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Yeah. So it's from this practice of ingesting small, relatively
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harmless quantities of poison that we get the eponymous mythra datism.
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And you'll see there's a lot of examples of this,
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we'll talk more about that later that you'll see kind
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of in pop culture and you've probably already seen this
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happen in one of your favorite movies.
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But that's right, this is where it comes from. Yeah,
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exactly right. So the whole thing that we're talking about
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really today mostly was the legend, but the whole point
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was in service of this concept of mithridatism, which is
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over time, taking gradually increasing doses of several types of poison,
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therefore resulting in the body having an increased capacity to
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tolerates level of that poison that would kill someone who
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did not have such a tolerance. And that's that's the
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whole thing. And there's actually an analogous way that we
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kind of do this with a lot of things in
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our life.
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Yeah, and that would be like self immunization. So there
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are a couple of important notes here on terminology as
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we kind of get into this, though this isn't really
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building an immunity. So like what we're doing here is
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we're building a tolerance more than anything. When we build
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an immunity to a disease, that disease cannot kill us
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even with high exposure. Right, So with poisons a substantial
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enough dose is still effective to kill someone. So a
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more precise term to describe this here is as resistance
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or tolerance. Right, so we have a higher tolerance to
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these types of poisons that would normally kill mortal men
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that are.
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Not me indeed or me in case this isn't clear
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from anything we're saying, the practice of methrodatism is real
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and it does actually work, Like this is something that
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people can use effectively. However, extremely strong PSA. This is
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extremely dangerous and not something you should try at home
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or do just because you're like, oh, yeah, I would
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like to be imune to poison. Sure, you really need
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to be like, if you're gonna pursue this, like, find
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a professional, use assistance with you, like, work with your
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healthcare providers. Whatnot. Do not try and just, you know,
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randomly inject poisons to make yourself immune. That is a horrible,
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terrible idea, and I'm telling you not to do it,
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just to be clear.
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I second that please do not go poison yourself. I
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can't imagine you're gonna go to your your primary care
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physician and be like, hey, I got a real arsenic
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fear right now, I'm gonna need that. I'm gonna go
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ahead and need to microdose this, and they're gonna be like,
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what are you talking about. You need to go talk
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to a therapist, like you don't, don't go do this.
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But there are also a lot of examples that we
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do this in other areas that you might not realize
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that people already actively do this. So it's one of
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those things where you know, on like when you talk
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about the more extreme, which is like I don't want
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to be poisoned by my enemies, so I'm gonna go
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and engage in this. That's one thing, but there are
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common everyday things that we do that are a form
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of mithridadism.
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Yeah. The important thing on this really too is the
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dosing is so critical because you need to know understand
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what amount of a dose is going to be definitely
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fatal because like arsenic, for example, it takes next to nothing,
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like two little globules of our snack. The size of
483
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a couple of grains of sand is enough to kill
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a full grown adult. Yeah, And so like you don't
485
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want to get you need like homeopathic levels of that
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stuff to start building a tolerance. If you're going to
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do it. So you might be like, oh, I'll just
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take this little tiny vial there. I'm like, no, that
489
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would kill fifty people, like, don't take that.
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Yeah, there's a playground in our city that they found
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arsenic in the dirt. They had to like redo the
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entire playground, but they basically said it wasn't enough to
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kill anybody. It was like there were traces of it.
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In order to die from it, you'd have to eat
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a whale barrel full of dirt. So I know there
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was at least one kid that did do that. Oh good,
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I mean maybe I would assume that there's a kid
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to data will barrel full of dirt. We all knew
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kids at eight dirt.
500
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Yeah, yeah, for sure, that makes sense. All right. Anyway,
501
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So we were talking about the practice of methridaitism in
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real life and some examples of that. One that you
503
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might not think about initially is alcohol. Alcohol is just poison,
504
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albeit a poison that has a very specific effect on
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our brains. So when people drink a lot of alcohol,
506
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they actually, as many people know, will build up quite
507
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a tolerance to the amount of alcohol they consume. That
508
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doesn't mean it's not still poisoning them. It is, but
509
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the effect that it has on their overall reaction to
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it diminishes with repeated exposure, And so you build up
511
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a sort of threshold of tolerance to a certain amount
512
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of toxic dosage such that there is still a like
513
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you'll never get to the point where no amount of
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alcohol will kill you, but you will get to a
515
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point where enough that would kill someone who does not
516
00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:57.079
have that level of tolerance will only make you very drunk.
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Yeah. I mean if I drink a bit the whiskey,
518
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I would get.
519
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Sick, yeah, and I would die.
520
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Yeah, And there you go like it. But like for
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other people, that's like, that's a that's a breakfast.
522
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That's true.
523
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And also too, it's important to note that like stuff
524
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like that, Like different poisons have different interactions in your
525
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body with different food. It's like, so there's all these
526
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other things. That's not just about dosage. There are other
527
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:18.640
factors that might contribute to the potency of whatever poison
528
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you're putting in your body.
529
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:20.799
Absolutely, very good point.
530
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So another one too, allergies, Right, So folks who have
531
00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:27.160
allergies might do like some very small exposures to things
532
00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:30.400
that make them sick or trigger allergic reactions you'll see
533
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:32.680
this time, like you'll hear like kind of the remedies too.
534
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And I don't know how much weight this holds, but
535
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I've heard this where if you eat honey that's made
536
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with pollen, like local pollen, honey that's like produced within
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fifty miles of where you live, and it's got those
538
00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:46.279
same kinds of pollens that that do trigger those reactions,
539
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:48.039
Like if you eat that, that tends to help with
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your allergies long term.
541
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I've heard that as well, and you know, sort of
542
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the joke being it's it's like match dot com you
543
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get a local honey.
544
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I've never heard that that's good.
545
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I don't know how clear this sciences on all of that,
546
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but it does make some amount of intuitive sense at least,
547
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and at least it's probably not terribly harmful. And I
548
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:10.119
actually have known some people who were deathly allergic to
549
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certain things, and their doctor, whoever, whatever an allergist person is,
550
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essentially put them through a regiment of systematic desensitization to
551
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the thing at which they're allergic, and over time they
552
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went from being like they would go into anaphylactic shock
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if they walked into a state that contained that thing
554
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that they're allergic to a United States state. But then
555
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they got to the point where they could actually consume
556
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it in small amounts and they wouldn't even have a
557
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reaction just through that continuing represencing of that and to
558
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:47.240
them it wasn't it's not technically actually talk like, it's
559
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not an actual toxin, right, but their bodies reacted to
560
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it as if it were. But it's a very similar
561
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process of building a tolerance to that substance.
562
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Yeah. Absolutely.
563
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Another one, and very similar to this, is how people
564
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are often treated for anxieties and phobias, which is that
565
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whatever the triggering situation is, they are placed in a
566
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sort of safe version of it, sometimes as simple as
567
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just talking about it. So you might have someone who's
568
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horribly afraid of heights, and I say, let's talk about
569
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like the top of a building, and if you can
570
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talk about like if they're if if they're at that level,
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you know, if you can talk about okay, you can
572
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imagine that you're looking down over the building and you
573
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can see all the way down and the and the
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person is like, Okay, I feel like I'm at like
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a four out of ten on anxiety or a nine
576
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out of ten. Yeah, whatever, it is just what that
577
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repeated practice, eventually the reaction gets lower and lower, and
578
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then you can do like, let's do a virtual reality simulation.
579
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Let's like go in a place where I'm gonna put you.
580
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I'm gonna put you on a ladder that's a foot
581
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off the ground, and I'm gonna put you on a
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harness that's attached to a steel ibeam so that even
583
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if you were to fall, you would fall less than
584
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a half of an inch and you'd be fine. And
585
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there there's just represencing. And that's how a lot of
586
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treatment for many phobias and anxiety disorders go is just
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this systematic continuing represencing, very similar to this idea of mythridatism.
588
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:08.079
You're microdosing fear, which would be a really cool album
589
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name that rules.
590
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.720
So I love see you know. You know what we
591
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:13.319
need to do. This is gonna be a quick sidebar.
592
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You and I need to start a fiver where all
593
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.759
we do is we just charge people for coming up
594
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with really awesome names for things like, Oh you need
595
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:24.319
a metal album name, I've got one for you. Oh
596
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:26.279
you need a name for a food truck, good, I've
597
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:29.079
got Optimist Prime rib where there we go, We're gonna
598
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we're golden.
599
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That sounds like fun.
600
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Yeah, it would be fun. We could charge like five
601
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:33.720
bucks a name. It's great.
602
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:39.680
Nice, that's a new Patreon to you, Patre that's great.
603
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I love that.
604
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:44.039
So another one another thing that people do is they
605
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do this with exercise, right, Like nobody is born running
606
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:49.759
a marathon, Like you have to gradually shape that up, right,
607
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:51.559
Like you have to like really work that up, because
608
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the first person that ran a marathon died. That's the story, right,
609
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So what you do is you gradually shape up that behavior.
610
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Like that's where people like slowly start lifting larger weights,
611
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heavier weights. They engage with activity longer periods of time,
612
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They can plank longer, they could do more pull ups.
613
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But it starts with small incremental steps towards that larger
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terminal goal.
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And furthermore, with that one too is the amount of
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soreness that you feel, Like something like if I were
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to attempt even like a third of an exercise that
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someone who goes to the gym on a daily basis,
619
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:24.839
I wouldn't be able to move for like four days. Yeah,
620
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that would be so sore. So you recover more quickly
621
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:32.160
with repeated practice of those things. Another one that's very
622
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:35.680
relevant to me is spicy food. A lot of cultures,
623
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spicy food is just built into the normal diet, and
624
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so they tolerate really high levels of spice because that's
625
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:45.319
how they flavor things. And someone who comes from maybe
626
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.839
I don't know, a Western US diet for example, might
627
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:50.920
try it and then their mouth is on fire because
628
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:54.599
they can't handle it. And I got really into the
629
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.799
idea of being able to tolerate spicy foods when I
630
00:30:57.880 --> 00:30:59.400
was very young, and so I ate a lot of
631
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:02.559
spicy food and have continued to do so. And I
632
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:05.160
love spicy food, and I know that's that's there's a
633
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:07.960
lot of people for whom that's true, right, They specifically
634
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:10.480
wanted to build a tolerance to it. I will taste
635
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:12.799
something that has spice in it and I'll say, this
636
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:14.599
isn't spicy, and someone else that eat it and they'll go,
637
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:16.960
oh God, give me, give me water, give me milk.
638
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:19.359
I'm also, I'm not like extreme. I'm not you know,
639
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.519
I'm not sucking on Carolina reapers just for the you know,
640
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.200
the thrill of it. It's just I think my spice
641
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:28.319
level is slightly higher than average relative to some people,
642
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:30.480
and there are many people who are way above where
643
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:32.759
I'm at. But I really enjoy spicy food.
644
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:33.039
Yeah.
645
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:35.359
I have a supervisor who's like their favorite food to
646
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:37.920
make is this stew from Nigeria that like that they
647
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:39.720
used to make when they were kids. And they were like,
648
00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:42.480
we have to special order Scotch bonnet peppers. I was
649
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:44.559
like and she, and she's like, that's that's like my
650
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:46.799
favorite food. I'm like, if I eat a Scotch bottet pepper,
651
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:50.640
I would literally die, Like I would literally I could
652
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:52.720
not handle that. But I but I get it, like
653
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:54.400
where it's like I like spicy food too, so you
654
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:55.519
kind of like build that up.
655
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:58.160
Yeah, there's the Simpsons episode where they were trying to
656
00:31:58.240 --> 00:31:59.640
have like the spiciest.
657
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:01.640
Chili for oh yeah, the insanity peppers.
658
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:04.160
Yeah, he touches one and like goes into this like
659
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:06.039
hallucinating alternate reality.
660
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:08.079
Yeah, he goes on his vision quest.
661
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:10.240
Yeah, that was very funny.
662
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:13.359
It's so good. So people do this with other foods too, right, Like,
663
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:15.680
as somebody who does not like diet soda, I would
664
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:17.000
have to learn how to do this. I mean I
665
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.079
can't stand the taste of asprotat.
666
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:22.200
Swirling it around like a cupful of water, or just
667
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:23.440
like a little shot of it.
668
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:25.359
Yeah, it's like just the Yeah, it's just I got
669
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:27.960
a microdose diet coke to get used to it. Like
670
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:30.640
we we were just kind of using examples of gefilter fish,
671
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:32.960
which is like or like stinky cheeses, like foods that
672
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:37.440
are like have very potent smells or very strong tastes. Yeah,
673
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.599
it may be difficult to consume that the first time
674
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:43.559
that you try it, but over time, the smaller dose
675
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:45.599
is and smaller kind of chunks that you take, the
676
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:48.119
better the easier it's going to be for you to
677
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to eat it exactly.
678
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:51.839
And this all of this actually is very important in
679
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:56.720
understanding why medical dosing is so critically important. When people
680
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take antibiotics just a sort of a background thing, like
681
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:02.720
I have just pop an antibiotic, what then ends up
682
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:06.519
happening is that you builds resistant, like bacteria start becoming
683
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resistant to this drug. That's happening in low enough forms
684
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:11.480
that what doesn't kill them. So what you're essentially doing
685
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:14.960
is practicing mithridatism with your bacteria that's trying to kill you.
686
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:18.519
That's the whole idea of these like super bugs that
687
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people have talked about, it's it's because of dosing or
688
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if you do the whole spaced out vaccine regimen. So
689
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the spacing of vaccines is determined through a scientific process
690
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of looking at under what conditions do we see the
691
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most effective result from vaccines, and science does not back
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up spacing out vaccines beyond the prescribed schedule, and so
693
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people will be like, well, I'm not anti vas I
694
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just want to have them spaced out, which is like
695
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I want to reduce my immunization from like ninety percent
696
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to like forty percent or less. And so that's it's
697
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:57.119
also a dangerous place to have because what you're doing
698
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is you're not necessarily doing, like we're saying, your body
699
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:03.720
to build up the kind of antibodies and immunization that
700
00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:07.759
it needs to be to successfully compete with a virus. Instead,
701
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:11.480
you're doing like, here's a small amount of immunization, and
702
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:15.000
now here's another small amount, way too late in the future,
703
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and so your body is like, oh, I kind of
704
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:20.280
think I'm vaguely remember that, and then it doesn't do
705
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:22.320
a very good job when it actually encounters the disease
706
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:24.880
and so again, this is why dosing is so critically
707
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:26.079
important in medicine.
708
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:28.079
Yeah, I mean, and this is this is like nice
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and simple stuff, right, I mean, like when you when
710
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it makes sense when you think about it. It's like
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like whenever you study any sort of medicine at all,
712
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there's these terms. You'll hear lethal dose and you'll hear
713
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the therapeutic dose. So therapeutic doses are usually what they
714
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:44.000
aim for when you're taking psychiatric meds. You can overdose
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00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.599
on all of those psychiatric meds, but there's a therapeutic
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dose or therapeutic level that they try to reach. And
717
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so this is a lot of what we're talking about.
718
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Maybe some things like some of this is going a
719
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little bit beyond that therapeutic level that is kind of
720
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towing the line towards a lethal dose, but it's not
721
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quite a lethal dose yet. That's and that's really what
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00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:03.840
we're doing here. Sure, so snake handlers also do this,
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and this doesn't mean that every single snake handler does this.
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I imagine the people that like breed ball pythons do
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not try to dose venom, but rulers that like actually
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handle snakes that do have high potency venom. What they
727
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:20.000
will do is they will microdose this a little bit.
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00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.679
They'll they'll gradually expose themselves to these poisons where and
729
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:25.079
you'll see people get bit by king cobras and be
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00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:28.239
more resistant to it. Again, they're not likely to survive,
731
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:30.960
but what might happen is they have a longer period
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of time for that venom to do the damage it
733
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would need to do to take that person out.
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The snake handlers are maybe the closest example to what
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we're specifically talking about with methrodatism, which is like what
736
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they will do is specifically inject venom into their veins
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00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:49.920
in small doses to build up a resistance and tolerance
738
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:53.639
to that venom. And that's like a legitimate practice like that.
739
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:55.480
As you said, not all of them, but some people,
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particularly those who handle a lot of high venom snakes,
741
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will do this, and that can at least help prevent
742
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:14.800
super fatal bites. Now, there is also I've heard several
743
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:17.199
things about this. I didn't check into them necessarily, but
744
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:20.519
I've heard that First of all, poison is extremely metabolically
745
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:23.559
expensive for snakes, so they're not actually going to using
746
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:25.840
their venoms, So they're not actually going to use their
747
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:28.960
venom unless they're like actively trying to kill you, which
748
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:30.920
when it's defense is not always the case. A lot
749
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:32.519
of times they're just trying to get you away from them,
750
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:34.199
So they might use a small amount enough to make
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00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:36.639
you sick or none at all, just to hurt you
752
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:38.599
with their teeth, because it does not feel good to
753
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:44.159
have two or four gigantic, super thick needles going into
754
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:44.719
your flesh.
755
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:47.920
Nope, no, especially like suddenly you're not prepared for it.
756
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:50.719
Yeah, yeah, exactly, And and they aim for sensitive spots
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00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:53.559
like your neck and your face and things of that nature.
758
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:55.960
So so there's that. The other one I've heard is
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00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:58.519
that young snakes aren't super good at like regulating this,
760
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:01.480
and so they're more likely to use higher doses of venom. Again,
761
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:03.400
I didn't look into whether or not that's true, but
762
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.079
it does make a certain amount of sense that, you know,
763
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sort of like how kids just run around all the
764
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:11.280
time burning energy like crazy, that these young snakes are
765
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:15.159
just sort of like all of the venom and.
766
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:16.400
You get the full dose.
767
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:20.239
That's right, Anyway, some interesting stuff there, Interestingly, So this
768
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:23.960
methrodaetism has also been used for helping to develop anti venom,
769
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:28.119
specifically with people who who practice methrodatism. I found a
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00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:31.239
source of there's one guy in particular who like has
771
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.719
spent like thirty years building up tolerance to this, that
772
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.719
they I start using his blood to develop anti venoms
773
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.000
rather than the venom itself, because his blood has the
774
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:42.440
antibodies already in it, and so they can more or
775
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:46.480
less imitate those and replicate those antibodies specifically, rather than
776
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:48.639
trying to sort of make up something that counteracts the
777
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:51.320
effects of a venom, which is which is kind of cool,
778
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.000
and so that's that's the way it's been used. Now.
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00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:56.679
As a side note, there was a source that I
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00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:59.840
found that indicated that you can drink snake venom because
781
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:02.880
it's it's not a poison, it's a venom, and that
782
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:05.280
the enzymes in your stomach will actually break down the
783
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.920
harmful medicines. But I mean, if you had like an
784
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:11.119
open wound in your mouth or your throat or your stomach,
785
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:12.960
then the poison will get into your bloodstream and then
786
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kill you. I'm not recommending that anybody drink snake venom ever,
787
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:22.840
you don't do it, but if for some reason that
788
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:25.719
was something you had to do, I'm given this source
789
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:27.960
at least claimed that it would not be harmful to
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00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:29.920
you unless it got into your bloodstream somehow.
791
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:32.719
Yeah, again, I back up that don't please don't drink
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00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:35.639
Please do not drink venom. I mean not just snake venom,
793
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any venom.
794
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:39.880
Don't drink any venom. That's right, Yeah, that's all. Yeah,
795
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:42.760
don't even drink the symbiote venom. It's just just bad news.
796
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.679
So it's all bad news, and not just even for
797
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:47.480
the reason of like the fact that like it could
798
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:50.880
be extremely dangerous and not probably a good idea and
799
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:54.320
it probably has no nutritional benefits really, but also from
800
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:56.199
the fact that like they have to get that that
801
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.400
by specifically like squeezing the glands of snakes to get
802
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:00.960
out of them. So it's just like it's mean to
803
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:05.159
snakes and it's totally unnecessary and it has no benefits
804
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:06.920
and it's just dumb. So just don't.
805
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:11.519
Yeah, we're we're outspoken anti whacking day people here at
806
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:13.440
the Why we do what we do. If you've ever
807
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:15.159
seen that episode of Simpsons where they have whacking Day
808
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:16.519
where they just go hit the snakes.
809
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:18.480
Yeah, and that weird a Huzzle song about that Yeah.
810
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:21.639
Yeah, we're anti whacking day, so be nice to the snakes.
811
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:22.480
We need them.
812
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.199
Anti like explicit harm all the time in general.
813
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:26.920
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
814
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:27.400
Yeah.
815
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:29.840
So there are some pop culture examples of this, and
816
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:31.639
me say pop culture, but there's also kind of like
817
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:33.880
a historical precedent for some of this too, And the
818
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:36.360
first one we want to talk about is Resputant. So
819
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:38.320
if you're not familiar with the Resputant, he was kind
820
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:40.280
of a The best way I can describe is he
821
00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:42.519
was kind of a sketchy dude. He did some stuff
822
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:45.199
that was not so great, but there is the kind
823
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:48.920
of the legend that he was unkillable, and so there's
824
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:51.199
the story where he gathered with some people that tried
825
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:54.360
to poison them. They put arsenic in like literally everything
826
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:56.400
that he was eating and drinking that night, and all
827
00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:58.159
it did was make him kind of drunk. So they
828
00:39:58.159 --> 00:39:59.719
had to stab him and shoot him and drop him
829
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:00.719
into a frozen river.
830
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:01.119
To kill him.
831
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:03.119
So it was one of those things where you know,
832
00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:05.360
he had kind of had this like mysticism about him
833
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:07.039
that he was like, you know, had deals with the
834
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.480
devil and he was immortal. But the failed poisoning it
835
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:12.000
suggested that he knew that he was always in danger,
836
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so he kind of microdosed a little bit so that
837
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:17.400
he could, in the event of poisoning, not run into
838
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.800
an issue. So that's kind of that's one of the stories.
839
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:21.360
He was like, the artistic didn't kill him, it just
840
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:22.360
made him drunk, right.
841
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:22.960
Yeah.
842
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:27.880
There's also the popular example in Princess Bride where Wesley,
843
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.960
the hero of the story, is meeting with Zinni Vizzini,
844
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.639
I think is how it's pronounced with who's Wallace Sean
845
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:37.440
And it's a great in exchange, right, So, like you've
846
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:39.639
got Fezick, who is Andre the giant, and he's like
847
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:43.480
the big muscle and money. But then you've got Vizzini,
848
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:45.719
who is like the one that's like the intellectual, and
849
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:47.880
they're playing word games and they keep switching the drinks
850
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.039
back and forth, and then what ends up happening is
851
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:53.440
they both take the drink and Vizzini dies because he's poisoned.
852
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:56.480
Because Wesley had already microdosed and had been had developed
853
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:58.320
a tolerance to the poison that was in the drinks,
854
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.679
so he had actually poisoned both drinks and was able
855
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:01.920
to tolerate the drink.
856
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:04.280
Yeah, the whole thing was, yeah, like which you know,
857
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:07.239
choose which cup one of them has poison and then
858
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:09.239
so the guy, the guy dies and he said they
859
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:14.239
were both poisoned. Yeah, really fun movie. Yeah. So those are, yeah,
860
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:18.360
two good examples. Now the resputing. One is disputed. It's
861
00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:21.320
you know, another apocryphal story, who knows if it's true, Uh,
862
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:23.239
the Count of Monte Cristo. There was a whole thing
863
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:27.159
in that story where the Count takes like this poisoned
864
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:30.800
cream at breakfast or something so that he he also
865
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.840
is microdosing this poison so that he does not suffer
866
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.239
the effects of it. So that was a point in there.
867
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:40.159
Agatha Christie novel If you're in like old mysteries, there
868
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:42.920
was the book called The Mysterious Affair also had a
869
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:46.239
plot line using mithridatism with someone who's self poisoned. So
870
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:49.719
it's you know, it's it's a not uncommon plot device
871
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.960
to use, particularly in things like mysteries and adventures and
872
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:57.079
you've got heroes and high risk stakes sort of things. Yeah,
873
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.880
it'd be like in The Deer Hunter if if Robert
874
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:03.519
de Niro's character had somehow made themselves immune to bullets
875
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:07.719
and so it didn't matter if he played the Russian
876
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:08.719
roulette game. You know.
877
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:10.880
Also, I don't think humans can make themselves immune to.
878
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:14.800
Bullet No, no, no, that you don't try that. Yeah,
879
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:17.079
I definitely don't try that. Yeah, I'm just being silly.
880
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:20.440
That's that's a nonsense example. So as far as talking
881
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:23.480
about the why, the actual why of this, we've already mentioned, like,
882
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:26.239
there are some practical reasons, but I think, speaking loosely,
883
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:29.280
this is there's the fear of death and the potential
884
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:31.599
for protection from harm. Like that's sort of the why,
885
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:34.519
in a sort of loose speaking way of describing it.
886
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:37.599
Yeah, And non language using animals are very unlikely to
887
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:40.119
do something like this, especially systematically. They're not going to
888
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:42.199
be planning and kind of doing all that. But because
889
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:44.039
we have language, we can talk about things that have
890
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:46.360
not yet happened, and so we can actually plan ahead
891
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:49.519
and we can reason and prepare for things that non
892
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:51.519
language using animals might not be able to do.
893
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:55.639
Yeah, And this ability to behave with respects to hypothetical
894
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:59.559
circumstances that may or may not occur, it provides flexibility
895
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.280
in our in our actions to do things like make
896
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:06.079
plans and anticipate outcomes for better or for worse.
897
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:08.559
So if we value living and have some kind of
898
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:11.360
description available to us about the relative possibility of a
899
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:14.039
fatal outcome from something such as a poison, then we
900
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:16.840
might choose to inject and consume toxic agents to prevent
901
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.639
this hypothetical fate. Again, don't do it unless you think
902
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:22.119
you're gonna be in a situation where you're going to
903
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:24.480
be poisoned. Then go ahead and consult with the appropriate
904
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:26.159
people to make sure that it's done well and it's
905
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:28.559
not done fatally. But we just strongly recommend not doing
906
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:30.159
this in general so that you don't die.
907
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:34.280
I really wonder if, like us, presidents actually do practice mithridaetism.
908
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:38.199
I wonder like the steady Paris and that's what it is.
909
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:40.599
They always look like one hundred years older when they
910
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:42.960
come out of that job, except Joe Biden, who will
911
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:46.880
look exactly the same, probably more hair, and it's maybe
912
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:49.639
because of methridatism. So there's a really fun video I'm
913
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:51.679
linking to in the show notes of this by on
914
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.800
a channel on YouTube called minute Earth, and they sort
915
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:57.840
of talk about how the difference between something that is
916
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.679
just you know, neutral, is something that is and something
917
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:02.880
that is poison really is the dose, and they use
918
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:05.320
a metaphor of like a bathtub, Like our body has
919
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:07.760
a bathtub, and if that bathtub overflows, then we die
920
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.679
from the level of toxicity. So like for for example,
921
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:13.599
water can become toxic if you drink it in enough volume.
922
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:15.920
But our bathtub, the size of the bathtub we have
923
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:18.519
in our bodies for water is so large that we're
924
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:20.280
more likely to just pee it out before we reach
925
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:22.239
that level. Not that it can't happen you, one hundred
926
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:24.920
percent can and people have died. Actually more people have
927
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:28.159
died from overhydration than dehydration in the last year, so
928
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:31.519
it's it's definitely possible. Another one's like coffee, Like if
929
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:33.880
you drink an espresso, if you just do that, like
930
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:36.960
eighty six more times, they'll reach toxic levels of caffeine
931
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.840
in your body because our bathtub for espresso is much smaller. Yeah.
932
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:42.360
I also learned that the water that, like your urine,
933
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.639
doesn't come from drinking water. It comes from your blood.
934
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:48.000
So everything that you're peeing out has been built from
935
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:48.440
your blood.
936
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:53.119
Fun blood water. That's why you don't drink urine. Yeah,
937
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:56.400
by the reasons, So yeah, that's the idea, and it's
938
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:58.320
really fun video they talk about they give examples of
939
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.440
like you know, our bathtub, for our is extremely small,
940
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:04.559
like it takes almost nothing to overflow that bathtub. So anyway,
941
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:06.400
it's just a fun video on that. But yeah, so
942
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:07.880
that's that's sort of what we got on the why
943
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:11.039
and understanding those things. Anything else on that.
944
00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:12.639
No, I don't. I mean, I think, I think at
945
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:14.119
the end of the day, this is just like one
946
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:16.719
of those fun things. It's like, you see, you've heard
947
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:18.559
people talk about it at some point in time, and
948
00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:21.239
it's an interesting phenomenon and it's interesting to know that
949
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:23.199
there is a way to do it, but that it's
950
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:24.440
dangerous and you shouldn't.
951
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:27.199
Most of our listeners will have heard of the idea
952
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.440
of something like this, and now you know it's called
953
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.360
mythra datism and why it's called methrodatism.
954
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:35.159
Uh huh. Yeah, MirOS, he was just a little bit
955
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:37.280
weak and then well in the poison didn't work, so
956
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:38.320
he took a sword to the face.
957
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:40.559
That's right, that's right. So yeah, the mythra datism, the
958
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whole thing is just as might take on point, I
959
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guess have you leaved here? With nothing else is taking
960
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small amounts of poison to to create a tolerance or
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more or less forcing your body to habituate to something
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that would otherwise be harmful.
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Yep, absolutely okay, but I mean.
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It's mostly designed specifically with the respect to poison. That
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was the where the term comes from. Absolutely all right,
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show me one is recommendations, let's do it.
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Recommendations.
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I am thrilled to recommend this movie that came out
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recently called shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings.
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This is the new Marvel property man. This movie was
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so well done. This rocketed to the top of my
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list for Marvel movies. And here's the thing about this too.
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For many people, I think entering into the Marvel cinematic
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universe can feel a little daunting because there's like twenty
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three or twenty four movies now, and you might look
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at that and be like, I don't know that I
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want to take on that big of a storyline. Shang
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Chi has almost no reference to the other movies. They're
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like Easter eggs and stuff that's in there that like
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you would get a reference that was sort of a
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thing that happened in the background or in this one
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scene that doesn't actually affect the movie that are necessary,
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But for the most part, you could watch this movie
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having never seen another Marvel movie and totally be able
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to follow the story. And it is just so extremely
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well done. I loved it tremendously. I strongly recommend it.
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Awesome movie. Shang Shi and the Legend of the Ten Rings.
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I one hundred percent back this recommendation because it is
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so good. It is really so good, Like it's like
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it's done so well what they do with the rings,
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like the rings like they feel impactful, they feel like
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they hit hard, like it's really really cool. I am
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like all for it.
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Yeah, it's rad, all right.
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My recommendation is week is a book it's called Hey Ho,
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Let's Go The Story of the Ramones, which is like
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a really fun like like dig into this band. What's
998
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:54.719
very fascinating about this band, if you've ever listened to
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the Ramones, is that they really only put out like
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three really great records, maybe four if you want to
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out Road to Ruin, which is like the one with
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let I want to be sedated on it. But they
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were a band for twenty two years and for most
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of the time Johnny and Joey didn't talk. They weren't
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even friends. So there's this really interesting dynamic in the
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band where they treated it like a business and they
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ran it like a business and they were highly successful
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for it. Interesting facts from this book. They were bigger
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than the Rolling Stones in Brazil, Like they are a
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more famous band than the Rolling Stones in Brazil. Wow,
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00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:32.039
and a few things like that. It's a really fascinating
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story and it's got some cool interviews and it just
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00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:37.039
talks about where they came from and if there's actually
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00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:40.280
seven Romones not four, so people thought they were only four.
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There's also CJ, Elvis and Marky who was like one
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00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.960
of the new ones, but like the four originals are
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00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:48.800
no longer with us. But it's a really interesting read
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00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:50.840
into this band, which is like you wouldn't think that
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00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:53.519
they were as that there was as much depth this
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band as you as you might realize. And everybody loves Joey,
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so rest in peace, Joe Man.
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You have like an encyclopedic knowledge of band biography books.
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Yeah, it's weird. I'm just fascinating with bands. Ian that's
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really interesting.
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That's great and I love it. Yeah, it's good stuff,
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all right. If you practice mythrid autism, If you would
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like to tell us about a recent Marvel movie that
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you enjoyed, or a book about punk bands that you like,
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00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:19.000
or even any bands that you want to talk about,
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or you want to remind us of a story that
1031
00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:25.079
we missed in mythrid atism in pop culture, or correct
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00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:27.400
us on something that we said, please reach out to us.
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You can contact us on social media and on all
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00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:33.039
the other platforms. You can email directly at info at
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00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:37.440
WWDWWD podcast dot com. I know that you can also
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00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:39.000
go to that website to find out more about this
1037
00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:42.000
another episode that we've recorded. Quick side note, actually one
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00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:44.800
of our patreons reached out and informed us of a
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zombie property we totally missed, or vampire property we totally missed.
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When we were talking about vampires in this this year's
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00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.800
Halloween episodes, which was the Underworld movies.
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Oh how do we miss those?
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00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:57.119
That's what I was thinking. I was like, Oh, man,
1044
00:49:57.719 --> 00:49:58.960
that was so silly, so.
1045
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Much leather, much Lincoln Park. And I really like the
1046
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:04.400
I I really do like the idea that like there's
1047
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:06.920
vampires fighting were wolves. Like that's that feels good.
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Right exactly? Yeah, those are fun movies, so if we
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00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:13.159
miss something about about vampires or were wolves or mythradatism,
1050
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you should definitely reach out to us. Okay, So that
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00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:24.079
was our episode on mithridatism, which, as you just heard,
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is the idea of ingesting small amounts of poison to
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essentially build up a tolerance to doing this. And just
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as a quick overview of some of the things, not
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a huge amount seems to have happened in the world
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of mythradatism or in the science of this, although there
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00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:42.480
have been a few updates. So one of the things
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we need to stress very heavily is that this only
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00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:50.239
kind of works sometimes for some poisons. Importantly, things like
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heavy metals, those actually those don't leave your body very quickly.
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They actually just accumulate. So even if you try to
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take them in small doses, over time, that small dose
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00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:02.400
eventually becomes a large dose because the doses that are
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00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:04.840
in there don't leave, They just build on each other,
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00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:09.639
eventually becoming increasingly toxic. And there are other types of
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poisons that would do similar things where it's like you
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would have to have a very long period of time
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between them, and just because you take them doesn't mean
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your body will change anything about the enzymes that it
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produces or anything else that it might handle with those
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chemicals that would actually result in building a tolerance. Instead,
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you just be doing slow amounts of damage, probably to
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your vital organs over time. So that's one thing to know.
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The other is that there are a few things to
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which this will probably work. Actually, people who consume a
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lot of alcohol do kind of a form of this.
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Alcohol is basically just poison, and people drink it in
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00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:50.239
small enough quantities that they can tolerate more and more
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over time. But even that will eventually kill you because
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it can destroy your liver and do other things to eat,
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damages your brain, all kinds of things. So enough of that.
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While you may have a tolerance to it in terms
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of its effects on you, you are just poisoning your body
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over and over again. So again you're not actually building
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a tolerance to its deadly effect necessarily. I mean, maybe
1086
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to a little bit of an extent, but mostly you're
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just damaging your body very slowly or very quickly, I guess,
1088
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:22.199
depending on how much you're drinking. But the one place
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where this does seem to be the most relevant is
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with snakes. I think we mentioned last time, there was
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a person who has been experimental or not experimentally but
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intentionally injecting himself with venom and his blood. They were
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able to extract venom that was or the antibodies to
1094
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a venom that was so powerful that when they injected
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it mice, it was actually able to completely prevent the
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effects of pure venom from Cobra's king combras and even
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black mambas. And that the antibodies in his blood would
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it be relevant to the venom of about sixty percent
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of venomous snakes, which is really impressive. So anyway that
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covers some of it. Because it's a biologic, because it
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is something that we can build enzymes against, it could
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potentially work. Why would you want to do this for
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most people? I guess it is for prevention, Like it
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is an attempt to avoid if you were to come
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into contact with some lethal dose. I think if you
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worked around snakes, which I believe we mentioned the last time,
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then that might be a reasonable situation. Maybe some people
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00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:26.840
just want it as like a party trick. They're like, hey, look,
1109
00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:29.239
I can inject this what would normally be a deadly
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00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:33.239
amount of venom. As a podcast, we recommend against doing
1111
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:37.159
this unless you really need to for some reason. But anyway,
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those are some of the things that have happened. The
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idea that you can just give yourself a bunch of
1114
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poison and prevent yourself from being poisoned is questionable at best,
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and I think it's definitely too dangerous to try and
1116
00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:55.119
actually do something like that unless you have a lot
1117
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of experts and doctors and people on your side and
1118
00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:00.559
like anti venoms and whatnot for people who can help
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in the instance that you were to try, or you
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were to cross into a point where your body is
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no longer able to fight the poison and some damage
1122
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:11.519
can't be undone, So be careful, I guess is what
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00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:14.400
I'm saying there, But okay, I think that is what
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I'm going to say about Mithrodatism. Keeping it short and
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sweet here, I would like to say if you enjoyed
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00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:22.360
what you heard in this discussion, you'd like to support us.
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As I mentioned, you could join us on Patreon. If
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do our thing. Thank you to Mike m Megan, Mike T, Justin,
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Kim Brad, Stephanie, Brian Ashley and Kiara. Thank you so
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much to my team of people writing in fact checking
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from Shane and myself. Shane couldn't be here today. Our
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social media coordinator is Emma Wilson, and our extraordinary. Our
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producer Extraordinary, who is also extraordinary and an empire maybe
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I don't know, is Justin, who is very awesome at
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his job. He actually helped record our mini this week.
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00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:05.519
When you want to hear his voice, you can catch
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00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:08.199
it there. He's got a lovely voice as well. So
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00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:10.280
those are the things. Thank you so much for listening.
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Other ways that you can support us include leaving us
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00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:22.760
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1149
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thoughts on myth or datism or anything else they'll be
1150
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covered in this episode. You can read us directly at
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info at wwdwwdpodcast dot com and I we do look
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00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:34.679
forward to hearing from you. There, I guess I'll give
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a quick recommendation. Why not.
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Recommendations.
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I'm recommending a movie. This is a very popular movie
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that has a very popular sequel, and it is many
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people who listen to this may have seen it already,
1158
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but I'm recommending Avatar Way of Water. I just saw
1159
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it for the first time, so I'm like way behind,
1160
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so sorry for being really late. But anyway, it was
1161
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pretty good. I think there are a lot of criticisms
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people have about those movies. It's you know, Feren Goalie,
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It's whatever. But I enjoyed it. I thought it was
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well done. The CGI was very impressive, and it's very long.
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It's like three hours, so it took me a very
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long time to get through the whole thing. But I
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enjoyed it. So if you're interested in the Avatar movies,
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if you haven't seen the second one but you have
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seen the first one, I thought it was really good
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and I do recommend it. So I think that's what
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I have to say about that, and I think that
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that is everything. So thank you for listening, Thank you
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for being here. Is kind of a weird one to do,
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appreciate it, but hopefully we'll see you next week with
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some new stuff. This is Abraham and we are out.
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You've been listening to Why We Do What We Do.
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You can learn more about this and other episodes by
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we hope you have an awesome day