How to Build a Career When the Rules Keep Changing w/ Taylor Desseyn & Jason Torres

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Welcome to Syntax!
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Welcome to a brand new episode of the Front End Happy Hour podcast.
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Welcome to this week's JS party.
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Live from ShipShape Studios, this is Whiskey Web and Whatnot,
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with your hosts, Robbie the Wagner and me, Charles William Carpenter III.
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That's right, Charles.
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We drink whiskey and talk about web development.
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I mean, it's all in the name.
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It's not that deep.
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This is Whiskey Web and Whatnot.
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Do not adjust your set.
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Hey, what's up, everybody?
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We're live now.
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This is Whiskey Web and Whatnot-ish.
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We're going to do some beer.
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Whiskey Web with Tech Commute and Guidance Counselor 2.0.
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You have three podcasts.
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We're all co-hosts.
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We're all hosts.
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Yes, yes.
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That is the host of the host of the host of.
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Hey, does this have, like, sound effects?
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theoretically i don't know what they are let's see let's see it's not well it's doing something
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it's i don't hear it though that's rather anticlimactic hold on i'm gonna share this
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it says i'm gonna share this with the second one is it i'm gonna share this
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but it's it's probably like one of these hold on oh oh my gosh hey we're live don't curse can we
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curse yeah oh that is okay you don't need that you're welcome you're welcome by the way you
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didn't even know yeah hold on i'm messaging my people and tell them we're live so basically my
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mother and jackie what a fucking downgrade for you you had shrooty and jason langsdorf
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it's like oh god yeah it's like the it's like the c team rolling in hey speaking of downgrades
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Let's start with the alcohol.
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Great segue.
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I have a toast for this.
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Wait, I feel like I need to hold on.
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I need something.
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Oh, my God.
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Can I have a wine?
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I'm a big wine guy.
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He likes wine.
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I like wine.
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Alcoholic wine?
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I'll do wine.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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I thought you didn't do alcohol.
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Well, no.
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I mean, I do.
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Non-alcoholic wine.
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I feel like I'm clipping my mic now.
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I have Prosecco.
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I also have non-alcoholic Prosecco.
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Girl, give me some Prosecco.
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Actually, can I have a little Prosecco as well?
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Yeah, the Tork Boys and Bubbles.
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Well, this is going to mess up my toast, but that's fine.
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It won't.
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Trust me.
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It'll still be amazing.
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The Tork Boys and Bubbles.
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All right.
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Let's do it.
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That's beautiful.
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Pass it down.
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Smell the afterbirth.
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Jesus Christ.
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No office fans?
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No office fans?
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What does Prosecco have to do with that?
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All right.
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We have a cheers, a toast coming.
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Hold on.
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I spent minutes of time coming up with this, mostly AI generated.
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I love it.
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What did you use?
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Are you able to see streaming comments?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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I'm not going to be watching it.
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We should switch because that's what I do.
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I'm just kidding.
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We don't have to.
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No.
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Listen, we're not trying to build an audience.
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We just want to.
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All right.
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Everything's about building an audience, man.
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Everything.
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Everything's a funnel.
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No.
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Okay.
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All right.
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All right.
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So here's to Bush Light, the beer that pairs perfectly with ramen and regret.
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Tech salaries are tanking, inflation sky high, and your startup stock is probably worth less than this can.
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So let's raise one to staying hydrated while our savings evaporate.
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Cheers.
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Cheers.
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Cheers, everybody.
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Welcome to the show.
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Shout out to Bush Light.
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I feel like that could have been a commercial.
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The last time I had Bush Light, I was playing a gig in Columbia, South Carolina.
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It was St. Paddy's Day, and I was drinking out of a warm keg, and I've never drank Bush Light ever again.
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yeah i'll drink a prosecco now i feel like everybody has that one story about one particular
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type of drink that it's just they will never touch it again because of the incident it's brutal
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dragon fruit bacardi for me oh yeah the hangover go ahead and explain that one the sugar on the
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dragon fruit oh god disgusting yeah i threw up a lot so yeah i can imagine mine's gold schlagers
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That makes sense.
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A little cinnamon sugar.
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That just makes my tummy hurt.
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Back when me and Jake Etheridge moved to Nashville,
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we would do these apartment parties,
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and we made a shot called Rumpelmints.
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Rumpelmints is a thing, but we combined Rumpelmints and Jaeger together.
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It was disgusting.
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Yeah, if you combine anything with Jaeger, it's disgusting.
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Rumpelmeister?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's what it was.
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Something like that.
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I'm trying to think of how it works.
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Anyways, I barely drink alcohol now, for the record.
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And I only do it.
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No, we don't at the house.
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Rachel doesn't drink.
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So I don't.
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I don't at home either.
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I have two shelves of whiskey and I don't drink them.
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I do like the occasional wine and dollar general wine.
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Prosecco is great that we're drinking too.
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So was it called Mercado or something like that?
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Well, we're drinking at the blue one.
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No, this is from Costco.
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Yeah.
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La Marca.
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What did I say?
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Mercado.
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Dollar general.
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Dollar general.
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That's like $16.
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No, listen, the Kirkland brand is good.
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I love Kirkland.
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That and golf balls.
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Big golf guy.
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Kirkland golf balls.
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Shout out Kirkland and Costco.
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They're amazing.
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Costco is adult.
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Like, we don't have much anymore as adults.
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We have Costco.
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We always have Costco.
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That's their tagline.
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It is their tagline.
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We don't have much, but we have Costco.
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That's not like a statement about our generation.
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No, seriously.
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Oh, gosh.
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Oh, God, this is some great commentary.
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What an intro.
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Yeah, what a, wow.
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People are like, who are these yappers?
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Who are you actually?
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Say your names and what you do.
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What's your deal?
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My name is Jason Torres, known as at Tayson Jores, because some prick.
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It drives me insane.
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Some prick who has Jason Torres.
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Oh, for real?
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Is that why?
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Oh, I tried.
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I tried to get it from him.
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He already had it.
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What are you picking?
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Stop.
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I don't know.
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It's something.
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God.
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And I asked him if he would give it to me, and he said,
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Fuck off.
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Did he really?
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He really said the F word?
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That's crazy.
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My mom may be watching, so I'm not going to.
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Sorry, Taylor's mom.
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Karen.
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Seriously, Karen.
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Karen.
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Karen.
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And Dave.
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And Dave Descends.
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Double G.
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So what do you do at Tor?
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I'm a community manager, evangelist.
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Whatever that means.
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Community evangelist at Tor.dev.
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I get to go to all these great in-person events and connect people with job help.
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Help?
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Is that a thing?
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Job assistance?
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Yeah, like career help?
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Career.
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Job assistance.
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hell assisted living job assisted living community yeah interesting yeah something like that uh i
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worked in film for a long time and then decided to go into tech i was like hey this is a really
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hard industry to get into let me stop after i made all this progress and get into an even more
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complicated one i mean film my wife's got some friends in film i mean that is brutal to try to
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climb up oh yeah it's just like outlasting everybody basically basically and then you get
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to a certain point like you do in tech where you're too old and nobody wants you
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so my name is taylor dessen i am the one that corrals this community team at torque
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yeah and uh spent what
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oh gosh um yeah so i've
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i'm so tired of sound effects i'm already overstimulated like
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like with jason the talk we just gave i'm so overstimulated so i spent 14 years in the
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staffing industry probably placed over a thousand engineers at this point there with jobs and my
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whole focus and kind of ethos with torque is like welcome home so we want this to be really a home
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base for you throughout your career and whatever you want whether it's a resume review or you just
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want to meet people or you want to level up in some sort of your job search or what's going to
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come here soon is obviously some technical content as well so we just really want to help people no
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matter where they're at in their career yep agreed yeah agreed retweet definitely all right so
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speaking of which i feel like it depends who you ask if it's a good time to get into tech because
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ai is shaking things up and in general even before ai it was like money is shrinking so it's not this
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like infinite wealth, like get a job everywhere easily kind of thing anymore.
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Do you still think it's a good time for people to, you know, if they're not already in a
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tech career, be like, hey, let me switch and go to that?
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Do you want to say first?
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No.
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That was a yes or no question, right?
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No, I mean, listen.
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Cool, we're moving on.
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So I think it's yes and no, right?
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And this is kind of alluding to my keynote tomorrow morning where it's everybody honestly
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is on an even playing field now because of ai right you can go and you can learn and you can
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be really good with ai tools now i would argue that you don't have maybe the fundamentals that
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a senior seasoned engineer does but for the most part a lot of people what are you doing jason
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what do you so
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we have this wonderfully open source yeah of shit taylor says literally our entire
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The Torque community has hazed me and start a bingo.
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They call it Tango.
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What happens if you win, though?
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I'm crying nothing.
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You'll see.
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Here, I can show you.
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I was trying to be thoughtful in my responses,
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and you're out here hazing me with bingo.
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God bless it.
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I'm sweating.
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All right, carry on.
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So, I don't know.
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I mean, listen, it sucks.
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The market sucks.
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I think it's getting better.
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I don't think it's ever going to rip the way it was.
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I do see signs of hiring increase.
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I mean, to be honest with you,
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Torque, we're having a record year.
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Like we are having a record year,
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but I think there's a lot of things
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chipping away at US hiring, right?
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We do a lot of LATAM.
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That's obviously getting hot.
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I think AI is making a developer.
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If you look at a developer as a 1.0 thing,
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AI is making it a 1.25 in power,
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not a 10X engineer,
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but like a 1.25 or a 1.5.
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That's going to eventually clip,
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like chip away at the hiring for,
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you know, you're not going to see devs.
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that have these like, or organizations have these huge dev teams.
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So I think it's good.
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I think it's a good time because I think you're at an even playing field when it comes to AI,
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but I still think it's hard as hell.
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Yeah, I think it's an interesting point.
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You said that, you know, it's harder in the U.S.
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I don't know what exactly what happened with the whole H-1B visa thing.
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But I think that's going to be, it's going to backfire.
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You're just going to have a lot more people outside the U.S. that get hired
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because you're not going to pay $100,000 per dev that you're bringing into the country.
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So it's like, yeah, because I think they said it was like Amazon would have to pay like nine hundred and forty five million dollars a year or something to keep all their people.
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And they were like, seems reasonable.
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Absolutely not doing that.
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Small chump.
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Yeah.
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It's like one week for Bezos.
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No, to your point.
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And I guess to the question overall, though, is like, I think it is a good time, but not as like just a junior or entry level software engineer.
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Like it's evolved.
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Like, I think it's a great time to get in maybe something more machine learning focused or AI focused, like focusing on the like really hot areas.
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I think it's a great time because there's so much growth.
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But again, it's like you can't just learn Mern stack and expect to get hired anymore.
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Yeah.
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And I also think, too, I think like I know AI is being used in all areas of tech, but I think the general like Jason said, the general software developer job is going to be very hard to get.
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However, we talk about a lot of torque and like we have a lot of programs to get people involved.
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I think now's the time.
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Listen, if you like Yappin like Josh Siri, I just interviewed Josh Siri on my podcast last week or two weeks ago.
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Josh started as a sales engineer.
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Right.
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If you love Yappin, there's a career for you.
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If you love data, data is still, I mean, I interviewed another Azure guy on my pod.
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Go ahead and put that down on the bingo.
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And basically, he said it's still hard to find Azure people.
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So I think what Jason said is exactly right.
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I think going into boot camp, not getting any real world experience and just like getting a Mernstack job, I think it's a thing of the past.
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You mentioned Azure.
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I did.
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I did.
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Because there's so many legacy code bases that people are just like...
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We were talking about mainframe last night.
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Kind of retiring out of.
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Cobalt pays a lot.
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Oh, dude.
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But that's the thing.
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There aren't engineers for those things.
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Because, again, like...
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Because you can't write JSX for it.
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If they make Cobalt, it runs JSX.
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I don't know what that is, but okay.
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It's like the syntax for...
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Would you say maybe you're not technical?
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I'm not...
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I hate you.
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Oh, God.
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This is what I got to deal with all the time.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So, yeah, related in terms of what you guys do,
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I'm wondering if there's any movement towards a switch where, like,
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instead of the volume game of placing a lot of people,
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because there's, like, that story about the guy that got, like,
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a billion-dollar offer for, like, doing machine learning stuff.
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Oh, yeah.
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Do you just go after one whale a year or something,
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and like a whole company can work up,
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be like his agent of like, you know what I mean?
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Yeah, I mean, a few years ago,
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I read that that was kind of happening in San Francisco.
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I actually read recently that hedge funds
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were like starting to do that, like private.
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I'm not butchering it here.
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My brain's going out.
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But yeah, there's people negotiating
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like hedge funds type guys because of LATAM,
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because of offshore,
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because of the market being more commoditized
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with AI, you're seeing salaries come down.
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Yep.
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And so I don't think you're going, again, as a traditional software engineer, I think
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the path is machine learning, NLP, computer vision.
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We are going through the next evolution of the web.
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This is on my keynote talk tomorrow.
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We're in a similar pattern right now as when React came out.
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There are people who wanted to...
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Literally React.
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If you were writing React, what might you write it in?
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I don't know, dude.
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I'm not technical.
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Put that down.
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But what I'm saying is that, no, when React came out,
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there were people who jumped on it, the people who stuck their head in the sand.
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Yeah.
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And those people who stuck their head in the sand,
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I still know people to this day who chose to not learn React
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and they consistently struggle to find a job.
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What losers?
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Who would do that?
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That's me.
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There you go.
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Wait a second.
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There you go.
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But I know others have struggled to find a job.
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We are in that next evolution of AI.
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If you don't know where it's going and you don't learn it,
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I think three to five years, you're behind.
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I don't think you need to know where it's going.
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No, no, no.
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But you need to be aware.
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Yeah.
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Familiar with it.
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And you need to know how to use it and be able to use it somewhat.
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The samurai knows it.
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You know he does.
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Is he going to have a samurai sword?
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It's an umbrella handle.
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Oh, that's scary.
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It does.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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That was interesting.
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But I guarantee he knows it.
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I'm not sure how you just know it.
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You know AI.
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Talk to me how you know why I think that guy knows samurai.
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Because of the sword.
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Oh, okay.
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I don't know what you're implying.
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I don't know.
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Anyway, what do you got for us, Robbie?
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What else do you want to learn, Robbie?
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Let's see.
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Dude, I watched your interview with Shruti, and it was so nice,
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and it was very educational.
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We're like, samurai!
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Kids with Tourette's over here.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I mean, we kind of covered the first few here, I think.
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Oh, that's good.
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Glad you came prepared.
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I don't know.
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I feel like.
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I'm very interested to see how he transitions this to his next question.
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I don't know.
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Just trying to park the bus here.
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Yeah, no, just to, like, button up what we were just talking about.
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Aside from learning skills and stuff, I mean, you talk about this all the time,
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but, like, what can people do to, like, differentiate themselves, like,
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so that they can stand out?
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Talk to people.
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I mean, literally.
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I mean, I hired Jason because Jason was kind of.
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What?
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Is that one of them?
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Hired Jason?
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It's Jason's hiring story.
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Oh, wow.
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What a thorough game.
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I know.
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This is sick.
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But you know what's wild?
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Go ahead.
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Go ahead.
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It's the community.
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These people are so invested in what's happening.
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It's the best.
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We have the best community.
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I mean, we have people making games to make fun of me.
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It's great.
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So, no, but, like, you have to.
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It's literally your network.
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More than ever, people are finding jobs, and they're doing it through their network, right?
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Like I am bringing on every time somebody I know either directly know or kind of is in my like first connection, second connection on Twitter or LinkedIn that find a job.
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I reach out to them and ask them, how did they find it?
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Yeah.
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90% of the answers from a friend.
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The problem is, is that it goes against everything we're taught as humans.
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We confuse activity with productivity.
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in that we're going to submit a thousand applications
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and we think that's going to help.
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When in actuality, you come into this thing spending three days.
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I mean, there was one guy at our meetup last night
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that said he got a job at our meetup or like an offer, like a verbal.
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That doesn't happen if you're online, right?
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And so that's why we're really big and kind of bringing it back to Torque
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is like we do the virtual events.
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We have the tech commute.
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We have the guidance counselor 2.0.
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We have the resume reviews.
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We have all that stuff.
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but at the end of the day you still have to show up you still have to shake hands and that is
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really what's up and that's why i hired him going back to him like that's why i hired him yeah yeah
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i mean it's also easier for like you know everybody's getting a thousand applicants per job
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and they're like well shit i don't want to go through these nuts so if they have someone they
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know that like it's like hey you can put me in as a referral and they do then they're gonna be like
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that's so much easier for me i don't want to do that so that's why we advocate for the community
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a lot more too because again it's when you know those people and then a role comes up like who's
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the who's top of mind it's like the people you engage with it's the people you like network and
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connect i also this may be very hot take-ish night damn it what was it this this this may be hot
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take-ish of me.
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I don't know
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in the world we're
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in how you can
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feasibly get a job without
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leveraging LinkedIn or X.
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Yeah.
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I mean, like, it still happens.
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It still happens, but my
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65-year-old dad
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who is in the restaurant industry
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is out here posting to LinkedIn.
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Is that one?
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Where does he work?
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Outback.
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He doesn't work at Outback anymore, but he did.
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But so for me, it's one of these things where I feasibly don't know how you do it.
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Like, I literally, it's all the conversations happening there.
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That's in my talk tomorrow, like leveraging X to find these AI sub communities, talking about yourself, getting on LinkedIn, getting in a Discord.
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Like, if you are not everywhere online, I'm not asking you to be Mr.
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Beast.
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I'm not asking you to be Kai Sinat in streaming 24-7.
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But, man, you better be talking about what you're doing.
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Yeah.
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But if you can be Mr.
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Beast, you can also make money.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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That's what I found Jason.
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And Jason, I mean, shout out to Jason.
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Like, he threw a, what, two-day conference for a friend to raise money for his wife for his cancer where he raised $10,000?
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Yeah, over that.
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Oh, okay.
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I haven't done that.
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Have you done that?
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Nope.
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That's why I hired him.
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That's why I hired him.
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Because he showed it in public.
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He built the damn thing.
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And I want people who do that.
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And I think every company wants that.
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So shout out to you, man.
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Thanks, buddy.
519
00:20:05.760 --> 00:20:06.080
No problem.
520
00:20:06.260 --> 00:20:06.540
That means a lot.
521
00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:07.020
No problem.
522
00:20:07.541 --> 00:20:09.200
Dude, we got paparazzo.
523
00:20:10.943 --> 00:20:14.820
Speaking of that, dude, have you been in the speaker sponsor lounge?
524
00:20:15.061 --> 00:20:15.679
Should we go next?
525
00:20:15.860 --> 00:20:17.379
They have wonderful water in there.
526
00:20:17.843 --> 00:20:19.000
It's like a grapefruit.
527
00:20:19.021 --> 00:20:19.539
Do we have sparkling?
528
00:20:19.560 --> 00:20:20.940
A grapefruit-infused one.
529
00:20:21.221 --> 00:20:22.599
Oh, I love grapefruit, dude.
530
00:20:22.740 --> 00:20:25.460
I had an Easter egg request for the word grapefruit.
531
00:20:25.660 --> 00:20:26.160
Are you serious?
532
00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:26.510
No.
533
00:20:27.641 --> 00:20:28.259
Cucumber mint.
534
00:20:28.380 --> 00:20:28.878
Oh, I love cucumber.
535
00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:31.140
And then a watermelon-like other one.
536
00:20:31.320 --> 00:20:31.760
They're fantastic.
537
00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:32.580
They're super refreshing.
538
00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:34.980
Well, I need a snack, too, so we should do this.
539
00:20:34.980 --> 00:20:35.519
They didn't have anything.
540
00:20:35.641 --> 00:20:36.620
Robbie, what else you got, big dog?
541
00:20:36.881 --> 00:20:40.120
Since we're at All Things Open, what role do you think open source plays in getting
542
00:20:40.180 --> 00:20:45.900
hired helpful not that helpful yeah but are we saying dot net's open source now is it saying
543
00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:51.820
java's open source no no i'm just like being like is that one of them yeah damn
544
00:20:54.706 --> 00:21:01.040
this just in whiskey.fund is now open for all your merch needs that's right robbie we're hearing
545
00:21:01.140 --> 00:21:08.760
reports of hats sweaters and t-shirts as well as a link to join our discord server what's a discord
546
00:21:08.900 --> 00:21:14.720
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547
00:21:14.820 --> 00:21:18.960
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548
00:21:19.201 --> 00:21:23.380
keeps the show growing all right back to your regularly scheduled programming
549
00:21:27.391 --> 00:21:30.940
i mean i don't i don't know what all is open i don't either but i think the web is open source
550
00:21:30.980 --> 00:21:34.580
so i think that's kind of redundant question i guess most of the things on the web are open
551
00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:39.600
source that's subjective yeah it's like how important is a good resume how important is
552
00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:44.300
work experience how important is your like technical acumen so you can it depends it
553
00:21:44.641 --> 00:21:49.360
it does no it does because yeah you know it also depends on like what kind of orgs you're going
554
00:21:49.521 --> 00:21:53.900
after like yeah some places aren't open source they don't give a shit right like what what would
555
00:21:53.900 --> 00:21:59.319
that be a benefit to you to even be interacting with them so i think it's very relative to the
556
00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:05.200
scenario completely as is anything though it's like either side of it i think open source to me
557
00:22:05.380 --> 00:22:11.900
is less tech more community yeah right like to me it's like like i think todd has done shout out
558
00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:16.280
todd lewis again fellow south carolina gamecock grad this conference is a little different right
559
00:22:16.280 --> 00:22:21.200
i was telling jason this this isn't tech twitter like there's obviously tech twitter here yeah no
560
00:22:21.280 --> 00:22:27.160
tech twitter is very and and and commit your code with shout out danny i mean hell of an event hell
561
00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:32.280
an event i dropped my vlog today check it out the youtube.com backslash to this and i know you're
562
00:22:32.280 --> 00:22:37.519
looking for that there's usually self-promotion which should be one of them but like for me
563
00:22:38.262 --> 00:22:43.900
open source is the community and i think todd's done such a great job fostering and todd shows
564
00:22:44.421 --> 00:22:51.640
that you don't need a discord like you don't need a slack you just need location time and great
565
00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:56.559
content because he's throwing meetups with two when i spoke 200 people showed up 200 people
566
00:22:57.001 --> 00:23:02.080
doing meetup yeah that's not happening in nashville that's not happening in nashville
567
00:23:02.521 --> 00:23:07.980
and so again open source to me is more of a community minded mindset than a tech mindset
568
00:23:08.100 --> 00:23:12.540
and i think yes i think to have that mindset into being community is everything right now i agree
569
00:23:12.620 --> 00:23:15.900
with her totally thanks buddy i appreciate that that's one of the few things you agree with me on
570
00:23:16.442 --> 00:23:21.620
at the same time i think that it is an opportunity for people to like get involved in different ways
571
00:23:21.681 --> 00:23:23.660
And again, it's like community-based.
572
00:23:24.020 --> 00:23:31.080
We built a repository for Hacktoberfest just so people could contribute and get involved with open source.
573
00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:32.560
So you're still taking pictures?
574
00:23:32.840 --> 00:23:33.280
I'm still taking pictures.
575
00:23:33.700 --> 00:23:34.000
Yeah, of course.
576
00:23:35.082 --> 00:23:35.900
Got to get the content.
577
00:23:37.140 --> 00:23:44.640
But yeah, I mean, I think it has a varying degree of effectiveness as to how it can get you a job.
578
00:23:45.001 --> 00:23:46.660
I think, again, it's how you leverage it.
579
00:23:48.149 --> 00:23:48.580
True, true.
580
00:23:49.181 --> 00:23:50.500
All right, so you mentioned the Gamecocks.
581
00:23:51.115 --> 00:23:51.220
Yeah.
582
00:23:51.522 --> 00:23:54.920
So you think Shane Beamer will come to Virginia Tech?
583
00:23:55.040 --> 00:23:55.760
Because I hope he does.
584
00:23:56.403 --> 00:23:57.599
So you hope he does?
585
00:23:57.802 --> 00:23:57.913
Yeah.
586
00:23:58.342 --> 00:23:59.479
So I will tell you this.
587
00:23:59.660 --> 00:24:02.800
There is, sorry, you can't really contribute here in this conversation.
588
00:24:02.840 --> 00:24:03.899
I'm totally checking out of this one.
589
00:24:04.884 --> 00:24:06.875
So basically, what town are you?
590
00:24:08.061 --> 00:24:09.200
Where do you live again in Virginia?
591
00:24:09.521 --> 00:24:10.496
Great Falls, near D.C.
592
00:24:11.686 --> 00:24:13.020
I didn't know you were that far north.
593
00:24:13.062 --> 00:24:13.360
Yeah.
594
00:24:13.701 --> 00:24:17.180
So basically, there is, I've seen some tweets where,
595
00:24:17.946 --> 00:24:19.760
from a South Carolina football perspective,
596
00:24:19.861 --> 00:24:22.400
there's so much bad happening on the field.
597
00:24:22.760 --> 00:24:27.240
People are saying it's almost like neglect to where a coach can't be that
598
00:24:27.361 --> 00:24:29.539
neglectful unless he's already checked out.
599
00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:30.304
Ah,
600
00:24:31.802 --> 00:24:33.400
so that's already thinking about it.
601
00:24:33.520 --> 00:24:33.580
Maybe,
602
00:24:33.921 --> 00:24:36.120
but he has said countless times.
603
00:24:36.322 --> 00:24:36.940
He was quitting.
604
00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:38.220
Are we talking about quiet?
605
00:24:38.220 --> 00:24:39.120
We're literally talking about.
606
00:24:39.280 --> 00:24:39.371
Yes.
607
00:24:39.745 --> 00:24:40.215
That was good.
608
00:24:40.540 --> 00:24:41.598
You pulled it back into that.
609
00:24:41.820 --> 00:24:42.020
I mean,
610
00:24:42.082 --> 00:24:42.300
yeah,
611
00:24:42.402 --> 00:24:43.000
this is great.
612
00:24:43.141 --> 00:24:43.560
You're almost like,
613
00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:45.260
you're almost like a podcast host or something.
614
00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:45.733
Hey,
615
00:24:45.800 --> 00:24:46.800
do you want to plug tech commute?
616
00:24:47.169 --> 00:24:47.340
Nope.
617
00:24:47.647 --> 00:24:47.800
Okay.
618
00:24:47.840 --> 00:24:48.020
Yeah.
619
00:24:48.201 --> 00:24:52.280
I think we should also all strive for jobs where if you get fired,
620
00:24:52.380 --> 00:24:53.938
they pay you millions and millions of dollars.
621
00:24:54.380 --> 00:24:56.300
The buyout situation in college football.
622
00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.860
Did you see James Franklin as a $56 million buyout?
623
00:25:00.305 --> 00:25:00.760
I did not.
624
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:01.560
Did they fire him?
625
00:25:01.684 --> 00:25:01.840
Yeah.
626
00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:02.320
There he's gone.
627
00:25:02.340 --> 00:25:02.820
Oh, holy shit.
628
00:25:02.840 --> 00:25:05.052
Yeah, they fired him for Penn State after going 141 and, like, 30.
629
00:25:07.282 --> 00:25:07.600
Dang.
630
00:25:07.740 --> 00:25:08.357
Can I take that?
631
00:25:08.780 --> 00:25:10.453
He goes, can you imagine if South Carolina went 141 and 30
632
00:25:11.441 --> 00:25:12.360
and fired their coach?
633
00:25:13.165 --> 00:25:14.080
Can I interject here?
634
00:25:14.243 --> 00:25:14.378
Sure.
635
00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:15.980
And this might be a hot take of my own.
636
00:25:16.060 --> 00:25:17.279
Oh, I'm going to mark that down.
637
00:25:18.124 --> 00:25:21.380
athletes in general make way too much money.
638
00:25:21.800 --> 00:25:22.878
Oh, I think coaches do.
639
00:25:23.684 --> 00:25:24.040
Sports.
640
00:25:24.380 --> 00:25:24.494
Yeah.
641
00:25:24.841 --> 00:25:26.079
Well, it's because where the money is.
642
00:25:26.604 --> 00:25:26.780
Yeah.
643
00:25:27.841 --> 00:25:31.000
Like if the people doing the commercials are paying enough.
644
00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:33.180
I mean, some people think software engineers make too much money.
645
00:25:34.280 --> 00:25:35.398
Yeah, but we're not talking millions.
646
00:25:37.067 --> 00:25:37.919
I wish it was millions.
647
00:25:38.162 --> 00:25:39.600
I'd still be in recruiting if it was millions.
648
00:25:39.760 --> 00:25:39.874
Yeah.
649
00:25:40.220 --> 00:25:41.920
I mean, I'm going to look it up.
650
00:25:42.081 --> 00:25:43.320
You guys talk amongst yourselves.
651
00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:46.060
I'm going to see what the highest paid football player is making.
652
00:25:46.321 --> 00:25:51.380
Well, I heard our college quarterback, who is not that good,
653
00:25:51.560 --> 00:25:54.740
and at college is, I don't know his first name, Drones.
654
00:25:54.780 --> 00:25:55.220
Did you go to Virginia Tech?
655
00:25:55.220 --> 00:25:55.494
Yeah, I did.
656
00:25:55.620 --> 00:25:56.240
Yeah, Drones is good.
657
00:25:56.680 --> 00:26:01.240
He's okay, but he's making $1.9 million, and he's a college athlete.
658
00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:03.500
Think about if you're the other guy on the team.
659
00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:04.440
Lenores, I don't think, is $1.9.
660
00:26:04.460 --> 00:26:05.495
I think Lenores is like $1.2.
661
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:09.700
Like, imagine you're, like, I don't know, a generic linebacker.
662
00:26:09.760 --> 00:26:12.260
Can you imagine what $1.9 carries in Blacksburg?
663
00:26:12.403 --> 00:26:13.080
Oh, yeah.
664
00:26:13.263 --> 00:26:13.600
I mean.
665
00:26:13.804 --> 00:26:14.000
Yeah.
666
00:26:14.442 --> 00:26:19.280
Patrick Mahomes signed a contract extension with the Kansas City Chiefs.
667
00:26:19.381 --> 00:26:20.086
$450 million over 10 years.
668
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:22.393
Dang.
669
00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:23.299
So 40 a year.
670
00:26:23.951 --> 00:26:24.179
What?
671
00:26:25.101 --> 00:26:27.013
Well, yeah, people watch that, not your mustache.
672
00:26:29.325 --> 00:26:30.680
Okay, but this isn't about me.
673
00:26:30.901 --> 00:26:34.060
I'm just saying, in general, pro athletes.
674
00:26:34.201 --> 00:26:36.040
Who do you think should get paid the most?
675
00:26:36.501 --> 00:26:40.520
I have no problem with them making a reasonable amount of money.
676
00:26:40.820 --> 00:26:41.180
I don't think it's hot takes.
677
00:26:41.541 --> 00:26:41.859
I don't know.
678
00:26:42.302 --> 00:26:47.160
You guys might feel differently, but I think teachers should make the most and first responders shit like that.
679
00:26:47.421 --> 00:26:49.240
This could get extremely out of control.
680
00:26:49.642 --> 00:26:54.060
But the way the government is set up, it does not incentivize productivity.
681
00:26:55.662 --> 00:26:59.540
And I think government high elected officials should get paid like CEOs.
682
00:27:00.280 --> 00:27:00.615
Like have.
683
00:27:01.041 --> 00:27:01.338
Yeah.
684
00:27:02.207 --> 00:27:02.800
Tied to results.
685
00:27:03.100 --> 00:27:03.200
Yeah.
686
00:27:03.300 --> 00:27:03.779
Tied to results.
687
00:27:04.101 --> 00:27:04.460
I disagree.
688
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:10.620
I don't think that a governor needs to make half a million dollars and live in a house that is paid for by me.
689
00:27:12.081 --> 00:27:16.060
Well, it would be, again, I'm not saying.
690
00:27:16.722 --> 00:27:17.940
Or how about a superintendent?
691
00:27:18.320 --> 00:27:18.680
They already do.
692
00:27:18.860 --> 00:27:19.519
What are you talking about?
693
00:27:19.881 --> 00:27:20.800
But that's what I'm saying.
694
00:27:21.426 --> 00:27:22.140
I don't think government.
695
00:27:22.140 --> 00:27:22.799
Tie them to results.
696
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:23.880
Oh, yeah, yeah.
697
00:27:24.044 --> 00:27:24.620
That's what I'm saying.
698
00:27:24.861 --> 00:27:28.379
Be held accountable to specific results like a CEO.
699
00:27:28.965 --> 00:27:29.100
Yeah.
700
00:27:29.785 --> 00:27:30.700
Like if you're the president.
701
00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:34.560
Now, again, we are going down a very scary road.
702
00:27:34.621 --> 00:27:36.080
That's all the time we have for this.
703
00:27:37.341 --> 00:27:38.400
It's great seeing you around.
704
00:27:38.582 --> 00:27:40.118
But like, you know, set objectives, right?
705
00:27:40.342 --> 00:27:40.980
Anyways, yeah.
706
00:27:41.201 --> 00:27:46.360
Listen, I am not a political guy, but I do think there should be government officials
707
00:27:46.461 --> 00:27:48.599
should be paid and compensated like corporate CEOs.
708
00:27:49.421 --> 00:27:56.660
Because if the government operated like a Nvidia or an Apple, I'm sure the results would
709
00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:58.039
be better than where we're at right now.
710
00:27:58.261 --> 00:27:58.698
Yeah, that's fair.
711
00:27:59.243 --> 00:28:01.180
And that's party agnostic for the record.
712
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:01.597
Yeah.
713
00:28:01.801 --> 00:28:04.800
If there's no incentive to do well, then why would you try?
714
00:28:04.980 --> 00:28:05.580
There's no incentive.
715
00:28:05.602 --> 00:28:05.795
Yeah.
716
00:28:06.505 --> 00:28:08.380
like Elon's one trillion dollar
717
00:28:08.562 --> 00:28:10.420
compensation thing is like tied to
718
00:28:10.541 --> 00:28:12.640
specific deliverables exactly we are tied
719
00:28:12.782 --> 00:28:14.139
to specific deliverables that's right
720
00:28:14.604 --> 00:28:16.400
why can't the government be tied to specific
721
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:18.280
deliverables everybody should deliver
722
00:28:18.442 --> 00:28:19.580
like right now I'd be fascinated
723
00:28:19.902 --> 00:28:22.440
I don't know if there's any chat we'll see let's see
724
00:28:23.167 --> 00:28:24.520
no because I like I found out
725
00:28:24.581 --> 00:28:26.680
a couple years ago that the superintendent
726
00:28:26.923 --> 00:28:28.340
of the Webster Central
727
00:28:28.523 --> 00:28:29.559
School District made
728
00:28:30.487 --> 00:28:30.769
$370,000
729
00:28:32.522 --> 00:28:34.480
a year out of my taxpayer
730
00:28:34.661 --> 00:28:39.980
dollars like i think that's unreasonable when you have teachers who are actually doing the work
731
00:28:40.421 --> 00:28:45.560
yeah making 40 yeah i do have to say i think teachers i think now having kids i mean the
732
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:50.520
fact that teachers have to pay for shit out of their own pocket is wild to me that is unfair
733
00:28:50.841 --> 00:28:56.780
and you gotta watch like 20 to 30 kids all day no yeah i can't even watch i mean like watching
734
00:28:57.181 --> 00:29:04.400
two two of my own almost three is hard enough yeah yeah but like if they just instead did daycare
735
00:29:04.561 --> 00:29:06.680
and watch 20 kids, they would make so much money.
736
00:29:07.566 --> 00:29:09.040
I mean, my brother and I were texting.
737
00:29:09.201 --> 00:29:09.920
He texted me the other day.
738
00:29:09.980 --> 00:29:11.660
He goes, dude, I got a side business for you.
739
00:29:11.740 --> 00:29:12.320
I was like, what?
740
00:29:12.380 --> 00:29:14.580
He was like, we should just open up a daycare in Hendersonville.
741
00:29:14.841 --> 00:29:15.459
Daddy daycare.
742
00:29:15.660 --> 00:29:15.800
I know.
743
00:29:16.002 --> 00:29:16.277
There it is.
744
00:29:17.662 --> 00:29:18.400
It's so expensive.
745
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:20.300
I don't know if I would trust you with my kids, Taylor.
746
00:29:20.441 --> 00:29:21.020
I'm not going to lie.
747
00:29:21.140 --> 00:29:22.079
I appreciate that.
748
00:29:22.220 --> 00:29:22.334
Yeah.
749
00:29:22.580 --> 00:29:23.035
I have good kids.
750
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:23.600
I still love you, though.
751
00:29:23.600 --> 00:29:23.999
I have good kids.
752
00:29:24.482 --> 00:29:26.340
I had to talk my daughter off a ledge last night.
753
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:27.620
She was having a meltdown.
754
00:29:28.283 --> 00:29:28.959
So that was fun.
755
00:29:29.300 --> 00:29:29.820
Yeah, that's kids.
756
00:29:29.840 --> 00:29:32.860
I literally left the house, and literally my daughter has had a meltdown for the last
757
00:29:33.005 --> 00:29:33.360
24 hours.
758
00:29:34.443 --> 00:29:40.260
so that's cool i'm sure your wife appreciates that jackie's a real i like it's not about me
759
00:29:40.481 --> 00:29:45.359
jackie's the one holding it down so yeah our wives are pretty awesome oh dude we literally
760
00:29:45.721 --> 00:29:48.779
we're out here like drinking prosecco it's fucking afternoon and my wife's
761
00:29:51.627 --> 00:29:56.880
yeah i do not take it sorry babe working yeah yeah i literally do not take it for granted
762
00:29:57.546 --> 00:29:57.990
at all.
763
00:29:58.010 --> 00:29:58.757
A shotgun
764
00:29:59.242 --> 00:29:59.747
to beer.
765
00:29:59.828 --> 00:30:00.920
Yeah, fortunately
766
00:30:02.090 --> 00:30:03.099
my wife isn't on X
767
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:04.817
so she doesn't see everything we do.
768
00:30:04.898 --> 00:30:05.120
If she's
769
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:06.880
watching right now, I gave it away, but
770
00:30:07.021 --> 00:30:08.378
she just does Instagram.
771
00:30:09.744 --> 00:30:11.100
We love and respect all of you.
772
00:30:11.120 --> 00:30:12.016
Love, yes, 100%.
773
00:30:13.268 --> 00:30:14.820
We got to have dinner with our wives, too,
774
00:30:15.083 --> 00:30:15.551
a few months ago.
775
00:30:15.572 --> 00:30:15.999
It was fun.
776
00:30:16.220 --> 00:30:17.575
He and the wife were down in Nashville.
777
00:30:18.561 --> 00:30:19.540
You're going to Nashville, right?
778
00:30:20.802 --> 00:30:21.044
Maybe.
779
00:30:21.488 --> 00:30:21.911
I'd love that.
780
00:30:22.173 --> 00:30:22.980
I would also love that.
781
00:30:23.040 --> 00:30:24.011
We'll see.
782
00:30:24.112 --> 00:30:24.780
Nashville's nice.
783
00:30:25.040 --> 00:30:25.428
Nashville's great.
784
00:30:25.448 --> 00:30:26.100
It's gotten expensive, though.
785
00:30:27.273 --> 00:30:27.459
Yeah.
786
00:30:28.481 --> 00:30:29.200
Do you hear clicking?
787
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:29.898
Oh, it's you.
788
00:30:31.180 --> 00:30:32.800
I thought I was having a stroke.
789
00:30:34.833 --> 00:30:34.999
Anyways.
790
00:30:35.406 --> 00:30:35.620
All right.
791
00:30:35.845 --> 00:30:36.158
What else?
792
00:30:36.426 --> 00:30:36.899
Is that it?
793
00:30:37.121 --> 00:30:37.859
You're not the host.
794
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:38.220
Stop.
795
00:30:38.360 --> 00:30:38.758
Yeah, I don't know.
796
00:30:39.084 --> 00:30:39.719
Sorry, my bad.
797
00:30:40.487 --> 00:30:40.757
My bad.
798
00:30:40.900 --> 00:30:41.480
Let him do his thing.
799
00:30:41.642 --> 00:30:43.020
These are just random things.
800
00:30:43.140 --> 00:30:48.200
I was like, you posted that on a DHH video that he spits facts.
801
00:30:49.300 --> 00:30:49.390
Yep.
802
00:30:49.740 --> 00:30:50.313
You a big DHH fan?
803
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:51.014
Who is DHH?
804
00:30:51.282 --> 00:30:52.139
I don't know who that is.
805
00:30:52.421 --> 00:30:52.820
Who is that?
806
00:30:52.941 --> 00:30:53.715
I keep hearing about DHH.
807
00:30:54.981 --> 00:30:56.860
He's also apparently like a Formula One fan.
808
00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:03.620
did stand for i couldn't tell you dave david something very rails yeah oh okay cool i used
809
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:08.200
to recruit a lot of ruby what did he say it was something about content i don't know i didn't
810
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:14.820
watch the video jesus no it was great research on robbie i saw it like no no no no i remember
811
00:31:14.940 --> 00:31:20.400
what it was he was talking about the term content creator and like no one is a content creator and
812
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:26.440
it's a stupid title because content isn't ingested in the like he had a really good explanation for
813
00:31:26.500 --> 00:31:32.660
And I agree with him because I have such an aversion to that like term and like influencer and stuff like that.
814
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:34.180
It's very cringe.
815
00:31:34.280 --> 00:31:36.220
That's why I have a I'll be honest.
816
00:31:36.340 --> 00:31:44.080
I struggle sometimes with how we have to like build community because of certain things with the content that we have to create.
817
00:31:44.800 --> 00:31:50.560
Because I think that there's a very gray area where it becomes super disingenuous and authentic.
818
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:53.920
And that for me and I know it is for you, too.
819
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:56.240
I'm not like saying that he's different.
820
00:31:56.685 --> 00:31:57.400
I'm built different.
821
00:31:59.021 --> 00:32:03.600
It's hard for me because, and this goes back to working in film, like I worked in an industry
822
00:32:03.762 --> 00:32:05.460
where people got paid to not be themselves.
823
00:32:06.140 --> 00:32:06.620
Yeah, sure.
824
00:32:06.780 --> 00:32:12.740
So then now for me, it's like, I want to come at this like as organic and like, I just want
825
00:32:12.841 --> 00:32:15.440
you to like me for who I am actually.
826
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:17.920
And I want to help you for who you are actually.
827
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:20.720
And it's like, if you don't like what we're doing, that's fine.
828
00:32:20.841 --> 00:32:21.197
Move on.
829
00:32:21.580 --> 00:32:21.680
Yeah.
830
00:32:21.800 --> 00:32:28.560
Because community can be everywhere and everything, and it doesn't have to be, like, built inauthentically.
831
00:32:28.800 --> 00:32:34.900
So for that, like, content creation point that he was making, for me, it was, like, it resonated because I agree with his thought.
832
00:32:35.060 --> 00:32:40.580
Like, everybody creates content, but it's not, if it's organic, it doesn't have to be branded as something.
833
00:32:40.620 --> 00:32:42.739
Yeah, not for the sake of making content.
834
00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:48.660
This is the first time I've managed, well, I'm going to be honest with you, this is the first time I've truly managed.
835
00:32:48.921 --> 00:32:52.560
and I'm not even truly managing because we have a very small team.
836
00:32:52.981 --> 00:32:55.859
I can see why DevRel teams get fired easily.
837
00:32:56.461 --> 00:32:57.699
But I will also tell you this,
838
00:32:58.282 --> 00:33:00.960
and Jason and I have had these a lot of conversations off the record
839
00:33:01.122 --> 00:33:02.659
and backstage, whatever you want to call it.
840
00:33:03.021 --> 00:33:08.680
I give a lot of props to Tork and the leadership with Mike Morris,
841
00:33:08.820 --> 00:33:10.460
Dave Messinger, and Pat Griffin.
842
00:33:11.284 --> 00:33:12.400
They just want us to cook.
843
00:33:12.740 --> 00:33:14.839
And for us, that's huge.
844
00:33:16.129 --> 00:33:17.120
But I agree with Jason.
845
00:33:17.641 --> 00:33:26.360
I think what we've been able to build in such a short time is because of the authenticity that we've been able to keep throughout.
846
00:33:27.182 --> 00:33:30.100
We've only had a few side quests that have been inauthentic.
847
00:33:31.760 --> 00:33:32.333
But only a few.
848
00:33:34.401 --> 00:33:40.280
Full transparency, we have been asked by certain departments to produce certain content.
849
00:33:41.040 --> 00:33:42.478
And you've got to do it sometimes.
850
00:33:43.207 --> 00:33:43.940
It's part of the job.
851
00:33:44.405 --> 00:33:45.680
It does mean that that's my idea of content.
852
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:47.220
Which, by the way, we are hiring a Java DevRel person.
853
00:33:47.781 --> 00:33:48.860
I'm going to say it publicly.
854
00:33:49.341 --> 00:33:50.599
By the way, my mom texted me.
855
00:33:51.120 --> 00:33:51.411
Did she?
856
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:52.320
She watched you.
857
00:33:52.520 --> 00:33:52.580
Did she?
858
00:33:53.886 --> 00:33:54.360
It's adorable.
859
00:33:54.580 --> 00:33:58.960
And so we are hiring a Java DevRel person to come help educate, help our community.
860
00:33:59.360 --> 00:34:01.020
But it's like what Jason said.
861
00:34:01.100 --> 00:34:02.200
Like, we've been really authentic.
862
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:06.880
And to be honest with you, I would say what we've been able to build in a year is pretty tremendous.
863
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:13.280
Yeah, I think it's like acquiring a company and just letting them continue to do what you acquired them for
864
00:34:13.421 --> 00:34:15.040
versus like being like, oh, I own you now.
865
00:34:15.100 --> 00:34:15.980
So you change everything.
866
00:34:16.503 --> 00:34:17.659
It's like, why would you do that?
867
00:34:17.901 --> 00:34:19.940
If you thought they were doing well enough to buy them,
868
00:34:20.802 --> 00:34:21.518
let them do what they do.
869
00:34:21.961 --> 00:34:24.820
Like trying to make people fit into some box
870
00:34:24.942 --> 00:34:25.619
doesn't ever work.
871
00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:26.700
No, it doesn't.
872
00:34:27.223 --> 00:34:30.220
And I think again, I think I know Mike Morris at the top,
873
00:34:30.421 --> 00:34:32.259
our CEO is doing the Lord's work
874
00:34:32.544 --> 00:34:33.540
and we do have a new boss.
875
00:34:33.600 --> 00:34:34.380
His name is Pat Griffin.
876
00:34:34.500 --> 00:34:35.679
He's a double Harvard grad.
877
00:34:36.262 --> 00:34:36.959
Dude's a G.
878
00:34:37.520 --> 00:34:39.460
Bain and McKenzie, former Bain and McKenzie.
879
00:34:39.560 --> 00:34:41.080
I mean, he is like his mentality.
880
00:34:41.180 --> 00:34:41.859
I'm gonna say it here.
881
00:34:42.203 --> 00:34:44.260
And Jason and I kind of like it, to be honest with you.
882
00:34:44.560 --> 00:34:47.200
He goes, why the fuck would anybody want to be a part of us?
883
00:34:47.820 --> 00:34:54.940
He was like, we need to give them enough proof and enough value to where they want to come and be a part of us.
884
00:34:54.980 --> 00:34:55.820
And honestly, I love that.
885
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:57.140
And that's what we're trying to chase.
886
00:34:57.364 --> 00:34:57.600
Always.
887
00:34:58.262 --> 00:35:00.080
Always provide value in every way we can.
888
00:35:00.420 --> 00:35:05.080
The harder task for us, and we've had this conversation before, we don't have a product.
889
00:35:05.621 --> 00:35:08.113
Like, we're not a framework or a language or a tool.
890
00:35:10.181 --> 00:35:10.308
We do.
891
00:35:10.901 --> 00:35:16.031
but we will soon but the thing is it almost makes our jobs harder and more unique in the sense that
892
00:35:20.660 --> 00:35:26.760
like how do you get people to get on board for a thought or a theory or like i mean i mean we are
893
00:35:26.921 --> 00:35:32.060
selling vibes to the truest literally we are releasing the platform so the platform's coming
894
00:35:32.140 --> 00:35:36.580
it's dropping at the end of the month and basically our whole goal is we're going to have multiple
895
00:35:36.660 --> 00:35:38.007
different facets, right?
896
00:35:38.167 --> 00:35:40.900
So Ken, our head of product, Ken Collins, he's developing kind of
897
00:35:40.900 --> 00:35:45.000
this perfect fit jobs where if you sign on your job developer, you plug in your skills, you get
898
00:35:45.120 --> 00:35:47.971
pushed tailored jobs that are fit for you on our platform.
899
00:35:48.553 --> 00:35:50.580
Then we're in charge of all the content.
900
00:35:51.461 --> 00:35:52.930
And then there's going to be a lot.
901
00:35:52.990 --> 00:35:54.600
And then kind of the next evolution is like,
902
00:35:55.101 --> 00:35:59.380
our AI is going to tell you, hey, you're not being matched with a lot of jobs because you're missing
903
00:35:59.541 --> 00:36:01.550
this piece in your career, you should help.
904
00:36:01.952 --> 00:36:03.740
And then ultimately, that comes back to us to help
905
00:36:03.941 --> 00:36:07.500
upskill and uplevel you, but that's not dropped yet.
906
00:36:08.502 --> 00:36:12.460
I mean, right now it's like sign up to our platform and you're going to get
907
00:36:12.541 --> 00:36:14.740
impossibly matched by a Ronstadt recruiter.
908
00:36:15.362 --> 00:36:18.080
But once this new product drops, we'll have a lot there.
909
00:36:18.221 --> 00:36:21.358
But, but again, we've been grateful for the opportunity, right?
910
00:36:21.781 --> 00:36:22.780
We've been grateful for the opportunity.
911
00:36:22.780 --> 00:36:25.500
But that's why it's super important for us to do this type of stuff.
912
00:36:25.680 --> 00:36:27.260
Like come to events, talk to people.
913
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:28.298
You have to have social proof.
914
00:36:28.661 --> 00:36:29.740
You have to support the community.
915
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:30.858
Got them.
916
00:36:31.603 --> 00:36:32.020
Got them.
917
00:36:32.140 --> 00:36:32.820
What was it?
918
00:36:32.983 --> 00:36:33.998
No, I just put it.
919
00:36:34.861 --> 00:36:37.879
You mentioned your keynote like 11 times, so I just added it.
920
00:36:38.987 --> 00:36:39.280
Jesus.
921
00:36:39.640 --> 00:36:47.300
Everybody go check out taygo.netlify.app if you want to get in on the Taylor Bingo streams.
922
00:36:47.541 --> 00:36:47.940
Taygo?
923
00:36:48.244 --> 00:36:48.600
Taygo.
924
00:36:48.741 --> 00:36:49.471
Taygo.netlify.app.
925
00:36:50.462 --> 00:36:51.280
Golly have mercy.
926
00:36:51.801 --> 00:36:59.860
No, but again, even that, Mike, that's us building this network in this community around this platform that isn't there yet.
927
00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:04.220
But again, people are supporting that because we're, you know, we're doing no bullshit.
928
00:37:04.600 --> 00:37:08.980
I mean, again, this Java person we want to hire, like I want this person like they need to be out there.
929
00:37:09.040 --> 00:37:12.380
They need to be building like I mean, I've said it from the get go.
930
00:37:12.460 --> 00:37:14.860
I think every company needs to view themselves as a media company.
931
00:37:15.721 --> 00:37:16.288
Every company.
932
00:37:16.693 --> 00:37:16.915
Right.
933
00:37:17.037 --> 00:37:17.259
I think.
934
00:37:17.902 --> 00:37:20.116
Was there that would have been that was on there.
935
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:28.880
I think I think every company, I mean, literally like every company should aspire to be like Barstool Sports in a sense of you have multiple different personalities,
936
00:37:29.021 --> 00:37:34.180
multiple different podcasts yeah i mean that alcoholism yeah you guys you're good
937
00:37:36.527 --> 00:37:41.240
you know but i mean century behind syntax fm brilliant oh yeah like honestly again like
938
00:37:41.702 --> 00:37:46.320
who i hire like they're gonna have to have a podcast like you have to produce media in today's
939
00:37:46.380 --> 00:37:51.820
world to be known and i think i think the timeline is shrinking right now oh yeah with all the sore
940
00:37:51.900 --> 00:37:57.180
videos i mean clark put out another one of me riding into our did you see it riding a horse
941
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:02.620
super weird were you guys drinking milkshakes i don't know what it was so i mean but again like
942
00:38:02.640 --> 00:38:09.100
the ai slop like i think the window to gain market share through organic content is shrinking i think
943
00:38:09.140 --> 00:38:12.760
we got about three to five years left i don't even think it's that long you don't think so
944
00:38:13.061 --> 00:38:19.980
no and because we're getting so much shitty ai slop that it's going to be iterated on very quickly
945
00:38:20.441 --> 00:38:26.240
all the bad stuff is what generates the good stuff yeah eventually so it's just it's now
946
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:31.140
happening it's going to roll out so exponentially that it will start getting good faster than i
947
00:38:31.220 --> 00:38:35.059
think a lot of us are anticipating it's the same thing with the ai coding tools i mean
948
00:38:36.384 --> 00:38:40.860
they've really exponentially gotten better yeah right because i could do absolutely nothing with
949
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:45.240
ai for like everyone's like oh i one-shotted this app like no you fucking didn't like you
950
00:38:45.260 --> 00:38:49.380
wrote that app and then like typed in make me happen like whoa look what it made like
951
00:38:50.764 --> 00:38:55.720
but now it's like i don't know with the agentic stuff that can just keep rolling it like yeah
952
00:38:56.202 --> 00:39:00.000
as long as it doesn't get mega stuck it'll just go oh yeah that doesn't work and then like
953
00:39:00.341 --> 00:39:05.000
change itself so like it's it's gotten a lot better and i can actually do some things with
954
00:39:05.080 --> 00:39:09.840
it instead of zero things with it so i'm very curious to see because code rabbits here i've
955
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:13.740
never used their product are you familiar just from what they told us last night
956
00:39:15.446 --> 00:39:19.560
no but i mean based on that demo i was like okay like i could see a benefit to this and again it's
957
00:39:19.580 --> 00:39:24.120
like finding AI or areas in your work that AI makes sense.
958
00:39:25.186 --> 00:39:26.560
I feel like that's a good one.
959
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:27.000
All right.
960
00:39:27.060 --> 00:39:29.340
So which kid's your favorite?
961
00:39:31.904 --> 00:39:32.258
Who, me?
962
00:39:32.743 --> 00:39:33.500
I will say this.
963
00:39:33.682 --> 00:39:34.498
I will say this.
964
00:39:36.224 --> 00:39:36.820
Such a weird.
965
00:39:37.240 --> 00:39:38.080
He's taking pictures.
966
00:39:38.241 --> 00:39:38.938
He's got Nick taking pictures.
967
00:39:39.220 --> 00:39:40.100
It's journalistic.
968
00:39:40.464 --> 00:39:41.800
I would say my son's my favorite.
969
00:39:42.142 --> 00:39:42.320
No.
970
00:39:44.364 --> 00:39:45.338
That's easy.
971
00:39:45.704 --> 00:39:45.959
Sorry.
972
00:39:47.524 --> 00:39:48.539
That wasn't the question, though.
973
00:39:48.620 --> 00:39:49.354
But you answer it.
974
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:50.477
You answer it.
975
00:39:50.701 --> 00:39:51.699
My son's the easiest.
976
00:39:51.740 --> 00:39:51.940
Holy shit.
977
00:39:53.002 --> 00:39:54.400
I like both of them the same.
978
00:39:55.324 --> 00:39:56.680
I like my middle daughter the most.
979
00:39:56.721 --> 00:39:57.439
Let me rephrase that.
980
00:39:57.701 --> 00:39:59.320
I love both of them the same.
981
00:39:59.541 --> 00:40:01.520
I like them differently depending on the place.
982
00:40:01.520 --> 00:40:01.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
983
00:40:01.926 --> 00:40:02.080
What?
984
00:40:02.523 --> 00:40:03.860
I'm not looking for a diplomat.
985
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:06.040
They're not listening right now, by the way.
986
00:40:06.342 --> 00:40:07.539
I like my middle daughter the most.
987
00:40:07.842 --> 00:40:10.880
Yeah, I will say my daughter and I are the same.
988
00:40:11.180 --> 00:40:13.540
And it's going to become more of a problem.
989
00:40:14.220 --> 00:40:17.080
Like the other, like we were in Louisville and they put down bread.
990
00:40:18.026 --> 00:40:20.360
and I went for the bread and she snatched the bread
991
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:21.980
and then I snatched it out of her hands.
992
00:40:22.180 --> 00:40:22.988
You ever see him eat?
993
00:40:25.362 --> 00:40:27.300
It is a sight to be able to do.
994
00:40:27.940 --> 00:40:31.260
It's like he's got these big ham hand clompers.
995
00:40:31.500 --> 00:40:32.058
Like a server.
996
00:40:32.443 --> 00:40:32.877
I don't have.
997
00:40:33.061 --> 00:40:35.500
A server will still be putting food down and he's just.
998
00:40:36.363 --> 00:40:38.180
He approaches the plate.
999
00:40:38.985 --> 00:40:41.400
So Ari took the bread out of my hand.
1000
00:40:42.021 --> 00:40:43.980
And then I took the bread out of her hand.
1001
00:40:44.382 --> 00:40:45.100
We started to go.
1002
00:40:45.260 --> 00:40:46.600
You battled for a loaf of bread.
1003
00:40:46.741 --> 00:40:48.440
My wife's like, I can't with you two.
1004
00:40:48.520 --> 00:40:50.560
So my daughter and I are the same human beings.
1005
00:40:50.660 --> 00:40:53.040
The irony is he complains when he eats gluten, too.
1006
00:40:53.380 --> 00:40:54.292
But yeah, he'll fight a child.
1007
00:40:55.080 --> 00:40:56.760
He'll fight a child for a loaf of bread.
1008
00:40:56.800 --> 00:40:57.640
No sourdough, for the record.
1009
00:40:57.740 --> 00:40:59.540
So anyway, which kid's your favorite?
1010
00:41:00.341 --> 00:41:01.800
Yeah, I mean, it also depends.
1011
00:41:01.901 --> 00:41:04.800
Like, the twins right now are going back and forth in their personality.
1012
00:41:05.680 --> 00:41:07.480
So, like, one's real easy one day.
1013
00:41:07.820 --> 00:41:08.980
You have twins at the same time?
1014
00:41:09.500 --> 00:41:10.579
Well, that's usually how it works.
1015
00:41:11.081 --> 00:41:13.720
No, there's, no, there's, isn't there?
1016
00:41:14.204 --> 00:41:14.660
What do you mean?
1017
00:41:15.163 --> 00:41:15.639
Twins, yeah.
1018
00:41:15.721 --> 00:41:16.480
They're twins.
1019
00:41:16.660 --> 00:41:16.777
Yeah.
1020
00:41:17.665 --> 00:41:18.640
They come in a set.
1021
00:41:18.803 --> 00:41:18.920
Yeah.
1022
00:41:22.627 --> 00:41:23.460
I need something to eat.
1023
00:41:23.580 --> 00:41:24.420
I'm blind right now.
1024
00:41:25.621 --> 00:41:27.760
But there's fraternal and nocturnal, right?
1025
00:41:28.562 --> 00:41:29.560
There's nocturnal.
1026
00:41:30.100 --> 00:41:31.099
Fraternal and identical.
1027
00:41:31.680 --> 00:41:32.239
That's it.
1028
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:32.794
Fraternal.
1029
00:41:33.080 --> 00:41:33.194
Yeah.
1030
00:41:33.682 --> 00:41:34.360
No, they're identical.
1031
00:41:35.462 --> 00:41:35.860
Yeah.
1032
00:41:36.602 --> 00:41:37.340
So we have to.
1033
00:41:38.221 --> 00:41:42.500
Although, although we did research this because we wanted to see how far apart.
1034
00:41:42.900 --> 00:41:45.520
What's the longest stretch between one twin being born and the next one?
1035
00:41:46.265 --> 00:41:47.595
I think it was like 128 days or something.
1036
00:41:49.381 --> 00:41:52.660
I guess you would think when one comes out, it would just induce labor,
1037
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:54.400
but I guess it doesn't necessarily.
1038
00:41:54.521 --> 00:41:55.040
That's crazy.
1039
00:41:55.180 --> 00:41:57.220
Like you pop one out, you're like, all right, I'm good for a bit.
1040
00:41:57.460 --> 00:41:57.574
Yeah.
1041
00:41:59.843 --> 00:42:00.999
Kind of a weird question then.
1042
00:42:01.427 --> 00:42:01.596
No.
1043
00:42:02.545 --> 00:42:04.078
Which one's the weird one then?
1044
00:42:05.021 --> 00:42:08.340
The one that came out first or the one that's like baking for longer?
1045
00:42:10.241 --> 00:42:11.540
Ozzy baked forever.
1046
00:42:11.741 --> 00:42:12.520
We had to kick him out.
1047
00:42:12.620 --> 00:42:13.739
He was two weeks overdue.
1048
00:42:14.182 --> 00:42:14.295
Wow.
1049
00:42:14.340 --> 00:42:14.679
Yeah.
1050
00:42:14.984 --> 00:42:15.855
I mean, it was time.
1051
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:17.900
We were like, bro, you got to bounce.
1052
00:42:18.741 --> 00:42:19.438
Eviction notice.
1053
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:19.980
Yeah, yeah.
1054
00:42:20.461 --> 00:42:21.440
All right, we're at time.
1055
00:42:21.984 --> 00:42:22.860
What do you guys want to plug?
1056
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:23.800
Where can the people find you?
1057
00:42:24.300 --> 00:42:25.900
I mean, just twerk.dev backslash discord.
1058
00:42:26.180 --> 00:42:28.600
I mean, I think that's like the, we have good banter, obviously.
1059
00:42:28.700 --> 00:42:30.279
I think the community takes after us.
1060
00:42:30.921 --> 00:42:34.160
I'm a big believer that communities take after the leader.
1061
00:42:34.620 --> 00:42:36.780
You could call that a cult, but I'm going to call it a community.
1062
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:38.560
And so I think we have a great community.
1063
00:42:38.660 --> 00:42:41.000
I mean, there's so many people that have gone on the record and said
1064
00:42:41.182 --> 00:42:42.940
it's probably the most welcome community they've had.
1065
00:42:43.061 --> 00:42:45.180
So we'd love to have you talk.dev backslash community.
1066
00:42:45.620 --> 00:42:46.780
And we do a lot there.
1067
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:51.600
Resume reviews, career coaching, industry expert panels, yada, yada, yada.
1068
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:52.720
So it's good stuff.
1069
00:42:53.203 --> 00:42:53.320
Yeah.
1070
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:53.899
What he said.
1071
00:42:54.527 --> 00:42:54.759
All right.
1072
00:42:55.060 --> 00:42:55.168
Boom.
1073
00:42:55.704 --> 00:42:56.060
Thanks, man.
1074
00:42:56.340 --> 00:42:56.480
Yeah.
1075
00:42:56.662 --> 00:42:57.040
Thanks, brother.
1076
00:42:57.220 --> 00:42:57.796
Thanks for listening.
1077
00:42:58.261 --> 00:42:59.260
If you'd like to please subscribe.
1078
00:42:59.660 --> 00:42:59.777
Yeah.
1079
00:43:00.647 --> 00:43:01.119
Like rates.
1080
00:43:01.260 --> 00:43:07.120
Even if you actually, if you, if you didn't like subscribe anyway, you've been watching
1081
00:43:07.241 --> 00:43:10.680
whiskey web and whatnot recorded in front of a live studio audience.
1082
00:43:10.963 --> 00:43:12.300
What the fuck are you talking about, Chuck?
1083
00:43:13.283 --> 00:43:14.313
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1084
00:43:14.333 --> 00:43:14.879
Subscribe.
1085
00:43:15.901 --> 00:43:17.540
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1086
00:43:18.521 --> 00:43:22.700
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1087
00:43:23.641 --> 00:43:24.204
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1088
00:43:24.305 --> 00:43:26.500
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1089
00:43:26.981 --> 00:43:30.980
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1090
00:43:31.565 --> 00:43:32.072
All right, dude.
1091
00:43:32.113 --> 00:43:32.600
I'm out of here.
1092
00:43:33.525 --> 00:43:34.160
Still got it.