Found North Hell Diver

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Welcome to the Whiskey Chasers, where we talk about our passion for whiskey and its history, either amongst ourselves or while interviewing distilleries.
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Oh, while enjoying a glass.
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I'm Steve.
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I'm Nick.
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And I'm Chris.
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Please enjoy responsibly while enjoying this week's episode of The Whiskey Chasers.
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Should we stick with one of these or should we do something?
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A departure from one of these?
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What should we do?
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What are we drinking against?
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Helldive.
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Olaroso?
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PX Olaroso in New Wood.
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It is 88 corn, 11 rye, 1 barley.
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So it's spicy.
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124.
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124 pretty much.
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Sweet, spicy.
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Sweet, sweet, dark.
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Oloroso is kind of spicy, isn't it?
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Olaroso sherry?
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Shhh, sherry.
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What am I thinking?
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Not what what was the one we had at uh I'm thinking of something else.
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What's the one that if you use too much of it, it's disgusting.
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Oh no.
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No, no.
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It's the cinnamon one.
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Yes.
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That's the arminae.
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No, no.
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It's not roso, but it's Amberana.
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Ambrana.
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Amberana.
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That stuff can kiss my sweet ass.
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That stuff, I it's fine in very small miniature micro doses.
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It's like LSD.
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You don't want a lot of it, very small amounts.
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It's okay.
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Because we've all had our fair share of those experiences.
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I guess.
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Boy, we micro.
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If that's the case, hmm.
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Sherry, sherry lady.
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Going through emotions.
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Um, trying to think.
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I what you know what?
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Should we do an English blend?
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I'm always game for an English blend.
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Should we do a special English blend?
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I'm always game for an English blend.
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Should we do something that nobody's tried and it's also been sitting for a hot minute?
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And I bet you I've tried it.
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Yes.
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No, never mind.
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That sounds awful.
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I definitely, I definitely have tried this.
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Whatever it is.
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Should we do a germaine blend?
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A germane blend?
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Yeah.
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Germaine?
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Esoterica.
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Esoterica.
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Yeah.
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King Charles smoking mixture.
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Ooh.
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It's a flake.
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Sure.
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It's an English flake.
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That sounds dandy.
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Ease of flake.
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Made in the British Isles.
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On the British Isles.
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The British Isles.
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This is a Canadian drink, so that's sort of British.
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Yeah.
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British Columbia, maybe.
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A mixture of Latikia, Oriental, and Virginian tobaccos.
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Doesn't sound like much, but this is Germaine's.
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King Charles made over there.
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Good.
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On their special process yonder.
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It's a flake.
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Just east of New York.
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Just east.
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I don't know how old this is, but I've had it for a while.
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So I don't know how to read it.
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So we know it's more than a year old.
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Oh no, I this is definitely at least three or four years old that I know of.
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It might be I might be older than that.
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I don't know.
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Perfect.
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I've definitely had it for a few a number of years.
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We're gonna smoke it.
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I I hope so.
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We've we've been talking about it for a while now.
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I hope we're gonna actually smoke it.
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Well, I mean, we just came up with it on the fly.
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It might be good, might not be good.
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We're gonna do it.
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Herm's on the podcast, everybody.
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He's gonna say, yeah.
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I'd like to know when we've ever come up with a tobacco that wasn't on the fly.
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Because we always that's a good point.
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Good question.
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Welcome, Herm.
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It's a Glenn Karen.
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So I don't know how much I put back.
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Kind of tough to judge on the Glenn Karen there.
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Oh, a Glenn Karen.
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Yeah.
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Just fill it to the top.
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Snooty.
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I want to say I'm snooty, but it's because I didn't do the dishes.
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It's because he's lazy.
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It's not snooty.
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I was like, oh no, I only have three glasses.
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Glenn Karen, you're supposed to fill that to the top, right?
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That's that's what I thought.
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Right to the bubble.
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Right into the bubble.
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Now I have that song Sherry Sherry Lady stuck in my head.
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This might work.
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If not, Herm, I'll take that from you.
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Oh yeah, I need it.
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I just bent.
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I knew that was gonna bent.
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I bent that like it was nobody's business.
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So this is gonna be uh interesting.
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We've got two of these found north bottles that we'll be having here.
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Nice.
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Uh and last time we recorded, well, without harm, sadly, but the last time we recorded, we did one that was the um American single mole that was that uh subscribers could only get.
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Like if you if you're like a mail-in subscriber to the uh well, not West.
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Uh to what was the company?
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Uh Westward.
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Westward was a Westward.
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Okay, so it's not a Canadian company.
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No, they're not a Canadian company.
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But on that episode, we mentioned there are other companies out there that do something similar.
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Okay.
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Where for Found North, you have to sign up to their mailing list to be a member.
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But each month or each time they're going to release something, they send out an email saying, hey, the lottery's open.
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Here's the bottle.
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You do have to sign up for it and give your card.
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But if you are picked, then you're you automatically get it.
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Uh meaning you're automatically ship it up.
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Yeah, yeah.
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They charge you and ship it to your house.
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But it is kind of cool because if you if you enter the lottery for a found north bottle, I I think I like the way they do it.
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Is if you don't win, the next time they have a bottle, you get an increased likelihood of winning.
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That's pretty cool.
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But it sounds like if you're not selected this time, the next time.
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Um, and so I think more likely than not, beyond a reasonable.
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For this bottle, this hell diverse.
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Beyond a reasonable doubt, I had put my name in the hat for their peregrine or something or their one of their other um limited releases and didn't get selected.
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And then I put it in again this time and was able to get it.
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So uh it was something I was excited to try.
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I'm not a huge Canadian like whiskey guy, so I was interested because this they it sounds like they do Canadian really, really well.
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Um I guess not even really Canadian whiskies, but more just whiskey in general.
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They do it really well, and it's it's got a lot of age on them on these bottles.
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So this one's I think a 16-year-old.
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They don't just do Canadian.
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Yes.
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Yes, it is just Canadian.
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Just Canadian.
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They do just do Canadian.
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Yeah, okay.
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Yeah, that's okay.
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But they it's so they they take um, I believe they source most, if not all, um, and then they age they age it and blend it themselves.
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So um, they are doing something, it's not just a white label, you know, MGP type of thing or whatever.
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Founded in 2020 in New Hampshire.
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So they're they are in New Hampshire, is where they're located.
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They're in New England.
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Is that clear?
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That's close to Canada, right?
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I mean sorta, yeah.
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So kind of kind of sorta.
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It's east of it, right?
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It is southeast.
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East of Canada, yeah.
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Southeast, probably.
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Maybe straight east.
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I'm not sure how far up New Hampshire is.
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I always figured it was south.
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I thought I just think everything in America is south of Canada.
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But except for Alaska, right?
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Like Ohio's like one mile south of Canada.
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One mile?
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Wait, I mean, you can see Canada from Cedar Point.
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You're making that up.
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No, like when you go to the top of millennial topics.
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Michigan first, right?
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Looking at that close to Canada.
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Yeah, that close to the idea.
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Are you serious?
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We do have Michigan above us, right?
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But then there's that lake, that Lake Erie there, and you got Michigan straight up, and you got Canada slightly to the right.
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Yeah, you can write Jetskins in Canada.
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In my mind, you have like there's like a massive landmass.
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It's Canada.
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Literally everything in America is below that.
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But that's not exactly the case.
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No, I should look at a map again.
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The top of Bino.
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The top of America is kind of a bowl shape almost.
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In my mind, it's not a good thing.
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Maybe I should look at a map.
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They've also altered the map.
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They change it.
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They keep changing the map.
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It's not my fault.
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I bet it was this is one of those Mandela effects.
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I bet Canada was above America all the way.
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The map that we look with that we grew up with is wrong.
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Okay, but like it is like what's wrong about it because the Earth is mostly flat.
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Mostly sizes.
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That's right.
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It's it's actually, yeah, it's actually spherical.
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It's not spherical.
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It's it's uh it's like a snow globe.
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I think like it's it is like a snow globe.
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Do you are you serious?
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No.
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Oh, okay.
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No, me neither, yeah.
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Uh me neither.
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You neither.
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Clearly, I'm not serious.
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Um, yeah, it's not flat.
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I don't believe that at all.
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But if you've ever been in like Niagara Falls, right, that's Canada across the falls.
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Yeah.
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The other side of the falls is Canada.
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Correct.
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But that's in New York, right?
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Right.
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Like Eric.
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Which is also in America.
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Yes.
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So not north of it.
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Not north of it.
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It's actually directly, well, yeah, Canada's west of West, west of.
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That paper is oily.
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Do you feel that?
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We might have found north.
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Found this whole conversation.
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Yeah.
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So okay.
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And are they thinking real quick?
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Are they sourcing from random?
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Like, like, or is it always one distillery that they're sourcing from?
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Or I didn't know if it was like uh sometimes from here, sometimes from wow, that's really good.
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Yeah, it's it threw me for a loop.
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The first tip I had it is not from one particular place, it's from all over Canada, but they pick it.
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Okay, so it does change, and it's not like a yeah, it's not like they have a deal with these distillers, and that's it, and that's all.
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Okay, that stuff smells good.
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I haven't smoked uh lit let up yet, but it smells very the room note on it is really nice.
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I mean, the well, not only the room note, the 10 note is really good too.
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Yeah, and it's that's oily.
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Like that the paper on that, you can tell it's got some got some esoterica vibes there.
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Definitely in you know, that English, you get a lot of that English, but there's some of that like ketchup vinegar.
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I put it in a minor 10.
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We'll see how it goes here.
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I feel like I'm still learning.
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We're all still learning a lot of matches.
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Any luck, you'll always keep learning.
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Yes.
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I thought I'd try lighter, but that didn't work at first.
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So maybe I'll try it again.
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I don't know if it's working my the way I thought it would.
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What is that?
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Never ever stop wondering or something like that.
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The north-southeast west.
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I want the people say never, never ever stop wondering.
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Yeah, never eat soggy weaties.
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Sour watermelon.
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I don't know what it just cut like clicked in my head.
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Soggy waffles.
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Never eat soggy waffles.
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Never ever stop wondering.
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Okay, I like that one better.
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It's kind of kind of poetic.
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Yeah, that's poetic.
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That's nice.
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Yeah.
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I just when you said that, like you never stopped learning, it just popped into my head.
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I don't know why.
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So that's that's good.
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These guys are out of New Hampshire, Dover, New Hampshire.
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Started in 2020 by a couple of brothers, Nick and Zach Taylor.
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So uh it specializes exclusively non unfiltered, non-chill filtered, cast strength, blended whiskeys bottled without added coloring or flavorings.
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Okay, so everything is cast strength, and everything is Canadian.
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And that's kind of how they do all of their things.
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Yep.
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Yeah, everything is cast strength.
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Uh, what is the proof on this bottle over there?
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Should we guess first?
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I looked at this one.
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112.
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Yeah, my guess was right around like a 115, probably.
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And I have not looked at the bottle other than I'm looking at a number on my screen, so I'm not gonna guess.
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But I already looked at it.
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The number says 119.
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Oh, this is 124.
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Okay, okay.
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So that's what I thought.
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I looked at this and I thought they were different.
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And so I think what the one I'm looking at here is the 2024 release of Hellbender.
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That's a friendly uh for that proof.
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That's friendly.
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I would agree.
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I mean, it's Canadian, but still, even then.
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Yeah, and it's got what 16 years?
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Yeah, yeah.
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But boy, that is not proofy.
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It's not proofy for that.
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It's right, it's good, and you really get a lot of rye, the Canadian, the rye, Canadian vibes, picking up a lot of that without it being like spicy or something.
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Did you see the back of it?
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Yeah, it's a sweet, it's sweet, but it's got some the back of it tells you what barrels they use.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So it's aged in PX sherry, oloroso sherry, and heavy toast char one and two.
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It's got some some good, yeah, good stuff.
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Then down at the bottom it tells you corn, rye, the barrels that they used.
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Because these are Canadian, so these are gonna be it's a 16-year rice, 16-year corn, 20-year corn, 22-year corn, 25-year corn.
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So I guess so it's a bottom.
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Yeah, so the lowest is 16.
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So most of it's in a 20.
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Which that's interesting.
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Okay, I'm not disappointed.
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I like the nose on it.
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I feel like I get like a lot of like citrus, like almost like orange or like clementine.
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Is that a Canadian goose on the front?
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It is probably a hell diver, which isn't a type of bird.
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Oh, so that is why that was a dive bird.
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I that's where the name pie from makes sense.
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But a hell diver is a type of bird.
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That's cool.
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I love that name for a bird.
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It's just uh nicknamed after the pie build grebe, which is a water built water bird known for diving deep below the surface.
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So when it dives down, it dives deep.
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Which I don't know if you ever watch a bird dive for like fish or whatever.
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It's super cool.
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I love to watch that, dude.
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Yeah, well, the ones that like go under the water and will swim under the water and then come back out is crazy.
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First time I ever saw it, I was like, We were out in Florida on a boat, like with my uncle, and I was like, What just happened right there?
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Like, I don't even might blew my mind.
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Sometimes it kind of like splash, right?
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Like, like well, yeah, it came down and it like lay into the water, and I thought I expected it to come back out really quick, and it then it like swam under the water and then shot back out.
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And I was like, That's the craziest thing I've ever seen.
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I like the way that looks, it's a cool looking bird.
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Helldiver.
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Okay, so do they name these off of birds then?
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Well, at least these two both are.
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The other ones, the the next one that we're gonna do is also a bird, and so that one I knew.
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I didn't know hell helldiver was a was a was a bird.
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I didn't know the either one was a bird, but if they keep doing birds, they might end up running out.
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Is this a specifically like Canadian type of bird, or is it just a that's a good question?
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Um is it even found up north?
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The pie build grebe.
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Is it found north of here?
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It's probably found up north.
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Yeah, I would guess it is.
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Say peregrine's like a falcon type of falcon.
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Yeah, peregrine is a falcon.
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But let's see where the pie build grebe is from.
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The what?
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The pie build grebe.
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That's what the hell is like the hell diverse.
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Let's see where it where they live.
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Across the Americas, find a year-round seasoning through North America, Central America, Caribbean, and South America.
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So they're kind of everywhere, but it seems like they might be a little bit more in uh warm weather.
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Okay.
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So still might be in Canada, but probably not here all year round.
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Maybe a little more southern Canada.
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I do like the uh like topography map background.
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That's what it kind of looks like on these bottles, the the topography on them.
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So like the bottle design on these is really good.
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Is that so you can find your way up north?
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Maybe.
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I like the color wax too.
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Yeah, it's like a nice gray gunmetal gray almost.
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Like uh, it's a little probably a little lighter than gunmetal, but not quite silver.
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It's different than what you would see a lot of times.
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Yeah, I will say, you know, and out of everybody here, I'm like the most Canadian fan.
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This is if you if you don't like Canadian whiskey because it's kind of sweet and kind of nonchalant, this is not that.
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Yeah, no, I'm I'm not a huge fan of Canadian either.
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This is the most interesting Canadian whiskey I've had.
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This is yeah, this is really good.
00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:10.559
Well, at the beginning of the year, we talked about you specifically talked about wanting to see distilleries do Canadian well.
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Well, yeah, different different well, and I think that was coming from the maybe the American idea of well.
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Yeah, my idea, my idea, a departure from thick traditional Canadian, yep.
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Who was it?
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There was a bottle that we had that was Canadian but Canadian done well, and I don't remember who it was that kind of spurred on this idea for you.
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Would this fit with that Canadian done well?
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Oh yeah.
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Oh, this is this is um this this is what makes and and I like listen, listen, I like traditional Canadian whiskeys, but I don't for me this makes me really want to like explore even more into Canadian whiskey.
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And I and I think that if you didn't like Canadian whiskey per se, and you liked it, but you liked a bold drink, this would also make you go, like, oh maybe, maybe Canadian whiskey is a viable option for me.
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Whereas you didn't think, well, you know, if everybody thinks it's like Crown Royal, this is not Crown Royal.
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You know what I mean?
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You put the two together like this is a completely different animal.
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I do feel like if you didn't under if you didn't have an understanding or an experience of what traditional Canadian whiskey was, this might ruin you for thinking that all Canadian whiskey is this.
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It's like this, yeah.
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Because there's actually it may call me crazy here, and I'm not talking about the smoke.
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There's almost some Scotch-esque vibes I'm getting.
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Do you get that?
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And it's more in the mouthfeel, I think, a little bit.
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Yeah, it's kind of thick in the aftercast.
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It's a little, it's a little thick, a little viscous.
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Yeah.
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I took a drink before I lit my pipe because I wanted to give it give it a try, an honest try on it.
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And the pipe, I think it does change it a little bit, but it doesn't really all that much.
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They seem to to coincide pretty well without interfering with each other.
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But yeah, I get some.
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It could be the sherry, too, that it's like that's making me think Scotch.
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But I'm curious about this being an American company and then them going to Canada to find these old expensive barrels.
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And I'm wondering, like, these got started in 2020.
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So this is you know, a six-year-old company, and they're doing these kind of bigger releases.
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And and I'll I'll know a better idea of my answer to this once we talk start talking about a price.
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But Canadian, you can get a pretty old bottle pretty cheap a lot of times.
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Yeah, it's I mean overall, yeah, overall, yeah, cheaper, comparative, comparatively.
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Yeah, you can get a 20-year-old Canadian way cheaper than you could get a 20-year-old bourbon or a 20 year old Scott.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, that's a fair statement.
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And so that was awesome.
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Real close, just about had a fire just there.
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Yeah, keep going.
00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:48.799
But you're also talking those that have the most age on it.
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So, uh, what we've had Canadian Club that's been 42, 43 years old, still talking mass-produced and still talking a large uh quantity versus maybe these guys are smaller quantities, just more age.
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Right.
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But what I'm getting at is that it's an American company, they're looking for not necessarily a Canadian flavor, but a Canadian price.
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I think that that that could be availability, yeah, and availability.
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And that's not a knock on them.
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I'm not knocking them on this because the quality is very good.
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This is a good idea.
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Where else are you gonna find uh uh uh large quantities of a whiskey with that age on it, other than Canada?
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Because they look listen, Canada they mass produce that stuff.
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I mean, and it then sits around.
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I mean, it's actually just stockpiled up there.
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So, like, I think it's a great idea, and then to offer it at this higher proof point, that's I think that's really changing things too.
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Like, that's because most Canadians don't come at a cast rank.
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No, and I and I've said it for a long time that a higher proof Canadian starts to change the whole like experience.
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It really does because it pulls away from that sweetness a little bit, gives you a little bit more to hold on to in the palate.
00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:08.480
And for this one, it's kind of sits on the top of my Adam's apple and just parks itself and chills out.
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And I love that.
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It's just hanging out on the top of my throat there.
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Without it being like, it's not clawing, it's not like it's not too much, it's not grabbing on and not like it.
00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:36.240
Yeah, I can definitely see it's kind of like us, it reminds you of a scotch in that sense of like it's got like that thick mouthfeel to it, and it's got, and I don't know, I don't know if it's more the sherry or the age on the whiskey, because that could have something to do with the two with it being a lot older, or the combo of the two probably has something to do with it.
00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:40.160
I would guess no, no like peat flavors or anything like that.
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Not not any of the flavor that you would typically get from scotch, but like no feel, yeah.
00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:50.880
It's the feel, yeah, yeah, especially in in your throat a little bit and in the mouth, in the mouth feel a little bit.
00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:53.839
Yeah, with the being a higher proof, it's 120 something, right?
00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:56.160
124, yeah, 124.
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So I get the proof immediately at the front end, but it quickly goes away.
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And so if I let it sit in my mouth, when it first goes, like I get that little bit of spike, and it could be the rye, but I think it's I think it's the proof because it goes away so quick, and so it's there at the very start.
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And then if I let it sit there, I get that sweetness.
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That's where I get the cherry and the more Canadian kind of thing.
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The the the rye that you're getting is very Canadian because it's subtle, and that's a lot of people don't even realize that all Canadian whiskey is rye, it's high rye whiskey.
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Because it's subtle, it's in there subtly.
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And I think that a lot of times that sweetness kind of you know contemplates it kind of plays around with it and and adds it complements it in a way that you're not really offended by the rye.
00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:46.960
So it's there, like you're saying, but it's not what you're getting mostly is the proof.
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I think so.
00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:49.519
Yeah, I think I mean the proof at the front, yeah.
00:20:49.759 --> 00:20:53.519
Then it turns to that sweeter flavor that I think is more the sherry than anything.
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I mean, it is Canadian, but the sherry, I think, is playing a big part there.
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And then I swallow, and that's when I'm getting more of that that scotchiness to it and that that linger in the finish.
00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:14.400
There's a lot of things I find interesting with this flavor and this company, but one that I find interesting with the company is we've had two, maybe three.
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I'll go with two for sure that I know two uh companies.
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I don't know if we've both had them both on the podcast.
00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:23.440
I know we've had one on the podcast, one that we've stayed away from.
00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:33.920
Yeah, that uh one was in Vermont, one is in Montana or Wyoming that pull Canadian whiskey down, yeah.
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One sells it super cheap, but they're also from Proximo, right?
00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:45.680
And the other one sells it for 80, 90 bucks a bottle, and we've that's kind of put a bad taste in our mouth for Canadian whiskey.
00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:53.519
So where does I'm curious, where does this, without knowing the price tag, just flavor, where would this lie within that idea for you?
00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:56.720
Well, I can't answer that because the Vermont one I've never tried.
00:21:57.200 --> 00:21:58.079
You've never had whistle pig?
00:21:58.160 --> 00:21:59.039
Yeah, I've never had whistlepick.
00:21:59.119 --> 00:21:59.839
I thought you've had whistle pig.
00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:02.000
It's because the price we did it on the podcast, though.
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Have we done it on the podcast?
00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:04.799
I thought that we might have, but I don't know that we didn't.
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It might have been a whistle pig that wasn't a Canadian.
00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:08.240
It could have been definitely.
00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:12.160
We did the rye, their uh bald and bond like rye or some whistle pig on the podcast.
00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:13.440
Okay, but it would have been a minute.
00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:14.160
Okay, yeah.
00:22:14.319 --> 00:22:18.160
And so and obviously it didn't leave like a massive legacy for me.
00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:20.480
Whereas the other one, Pennington, is that right?
00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:22.960
Okay, yeah, that one out in Montana.
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I did like it, but wasn't like it's not like a spark, like it's nothing that I'm like super in love with or anything.
00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:35.839
But the price makes it a pretty good bottle, makes it a pretty reasonable, very approachable, very approachable kind of bottle.
00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:45.759
So, you know, I I think when it comes to both of those, and maybe this one, yeah, price makes a big difference and availability, and availability, yes.
00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:48.880
How available is this in oh, in in like Ohio or the US?
00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:53.119
Uh, so this one, this is the one that is part of the subscription, like the lottery system.
00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:54.799
Yeah, is it the only way you can get it?
00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:57.119
Yeah, unless you want to buy a secondary from other people, yeah.
00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:03.599
Okay, but I mean, I think they only produce they they have like a couple releases throughout the year, yeah.
00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:06.640
So there's not like anything like on the shelf from them.
00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:08.240
These are all special release.
00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:11.599
Yeah, this is often around 4,500 bottles that they'll release.
00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:18.400
Okay, so pretty limited, yeah, pretty limited, and it's a it's a subscription sort of thing or a lottery.
00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:20.720
Email list basically, no lottery.
00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:38.400
So that also uh makes me assume that it's gonna be a higher price because it's less available, but I think this is a higher quality than than than uh yes, uh the Montana one whistle pig or Penalton, and yeah, Pennington, Pendleton, Pendleton.
00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:38.720
There we go.
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Yeah, I've not had the Pendleton, but it's sort of like an orphan barrel version of Canadian whiskey, correct?
00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:51.759
It's kind of because they're like it's it's a one-time, however many bot barrels we can get and bottles we can get out, and then we're moving on to it's something else.
00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:55.519
Yeah, it seems like Helldiver has one release a year.
00:23:55.759 --> 00:23:57.599
This the next the other one that we're gonna do.
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They keep the name, but the the year, the age may change, or like the blend and stuff and blend may change and the finishings and whatever else.
00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:07.119
Yeah, okay.
00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:08.400
So I but they keep the name.
00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:12.880
I saw three releases of Helldiver for 24, 25, and 26.
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So they do one Helldiver.
00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:17.519
Other ones and other and other think like little books.
00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:22.880
Like it's very much like little books where it may change over time, but it's the same little book chapter.
00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:24.240
So it probably is a different bird.
00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:26.400
Well, four different birds that they use, probably, right?
00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:32.880
And all three of the or all three of those were like 119, 118, 124.
00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:35.440
So like they're proof of higher proof.
00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:35.680
Yep.
00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:37.599
Uh they're all cast strength, they're all Canadian.
00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:39.759
Seem to be, yep, all mostly Canadian.
00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:46.160
Similar finishings, you know, maybe not the same percentages, but at least the same types going into them.
00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:48.960
So what is the price on this?
00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:51.599
Or do we not want to say yeah, do you have more to talk about first?
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:55.519
I'm well, I I think the price tag it varies, right?
00:24:55.759 --> 00:25:04.880
It varies, but I I am curious on how the the price of the uh mindset will change.
00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:11.599
So I will give you, I will uh I wanted to kind of chime in with this the whistle pig 15-year-old single barrel.
00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:13.759
Okay, that's in available in Ohio.
00:25:13.839 --> 00:25:14.640
You can get it on the shelf.
00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:16.640
Well, if you can find it, you can get it on the shelf.
00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:20.559
Yeah, is as expensive is more expensive than this bottle.
00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:20.960
Okay.
00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:27.119
This is a 16-year-old bottle, and I would choose this over well anything from whistleball.
00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:33.200
I will say, not to knock on whistlepig, but they do kind of we've talked about it.
00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:34.160
They elevate their prices.
00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:36.960
A lot of what they do, they do like a special bottle.
00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:38.240
It's like they do a lot of marketing.
00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:41.039
Even their standard offerings are way overpriced.
00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:45.920
For their 15-year-old, it comes in just a regular old bottle, nothing spectacular.
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:47.440
It just looks like that.
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:50.480
Yeah, like it's just like their boss hog is ridiculous.
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:54.559
Yeah, yeah, the bottom for the amount of freaking money that it's not worth it.
00:25:54.640 --> 00:26:01.839
Yeah, but this 15-year-old, which is probably a comparable, you know, and that's not saying that it has anything older than 15.
00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:04.400
That just that's their that's their age statement on there.
00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:07.440
This is a little bit older than that, and it's slightly less expensive.
00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:08.240
That's exciting.
00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:11.279
So I put this at what's so it's like what 160 bucks?
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:13.359
I want to say it was 179.
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:14.799
Pretty close.
00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:15.519
Look at that.
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:17.039
Look at that, and it's worth that.
00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:17.680
It's totally worth it.
00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:18.880
I was gonna say, here's my question.
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:25.519
If you didn't know this was Canadian whiskey before you started drinking it, would you ever think it is Canadian without being told?
00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:27.279
Uh here's the thing.
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:34.559
I don't know, and I get what you're going with that, but I will say, nobody's drinking this and not knowing everything about it before they take a sip, right?
00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:37.680
Like nobody's gonna get poured this and be like, oh, I wonder what that is.
00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:40.640
Especially this bottle because you had to go to a lottery to go.
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:44.000
This is gonna be this is gonna be like do you want to try to be blind though?
00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:46.799
I think there's no way you would think it was Canadian.
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:48.079
I I see what you're saying.
00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:49.359
If it well, blind, not a blind.
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:54.960
Not that you'd ever have this blind, but if you were to have this blind, I would know it's Canadian.
00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:56.960
But I like I drink a lot of Canadian whiskey.
00:26:57.200 --> 00:26:57.519
But why?
00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:04.000
Why would you like what in your mind would say, oh, I tried this, this flavor I'm getting is can this is Canadian.
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:12.160
Well, it's just it's just that specific sweetness with the rye that I uh but I'm I'm kind of I think I'm more sensitive to it than other people.
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:14.559
I just think that's what it comes down to.
00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:21.279
But uh and I and then I've tried and I've had a lot of Canadian whiskeys, and I've had a lot of high-proof Canadian whiskeys.
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:26.160
So I've I've had the whole gamut, I've had a lot of different iterations of Canadian whiskeys, and a lot of people haven't.
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:36.079
They've had things like Crown Royal and you know, you know, maybe Pennington or, you know, uh, you know, a few other Canadian Club, whatever, and then that's it, and they're done.
00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:38.960
You know, maybe Canadian Mist, which is junk, you know what I mean?
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:42.640
Like they've had crappy Canadian, cheap Canadian whiskey, and that's it.
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:46.079
So they're never gonna equate this to that because this is quality, it's something good.
00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:48.240
I've had really good Canadian whiskey.
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:52.000
So I think I would identify this and I'd be blown away.
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:52.880
You know what I mean?
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:54.160
In a blind at least.
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:54.400
Yeah.
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:56.640
And I'd be like, what the hell is it?
00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:59.200
Not as in tune with Canadian.
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:01.279
I would not know that it was Canadian.
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:06.640
But also, I don't have like a distaste for Canadian.
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:13.680
Like them, it being Canadian doesn't for me, that's not like that's like a downgrade on price because it's Canadian.
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:17.200
That doesn't that doesn't equate necessarily in the same way for me.
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:26.000
It comes down to the sweetness uh with the rye, and like I said, uh that's more pronounced typically as you go lower end.
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:29.440
This is less pronounced as you go higher end.
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:37.839
So, you know, as long as you're okay with those flavors, as they get more refined, you get you become more and more okay with Canadian whiskey.
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:44.480
Yeah, I think when I think Canadian, I think of that like cloyingly sweet maple syrup almost Canadian.
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:45.119
Yeah, yeah.
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:47.119
I mean, maybe maybe, but without the thickness, right?
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:54.799
Like, because it's usually lower proof, it's got a lot of that like really, really sweet, rich flavor, but it's like it's almost too much.
00:28:55.119 --> 00:29:11.359
If you were to take this for what, especially for what I like, take a sip of this and think, okay, turn turn down the proof way down, and then start turning up what you are what you are tasting, the sweetness, start turning up some of the rye aspects of it, all of a sudden you're starting to get closer and closer to what a typical Canadian tastes like.
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:12.319
You know what I mean?
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:18.640
But with those things in place, it elevates those flavors to a point where that's where it should be.
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:21.039
All Canadian whiskey should taste like this, in my opinion.
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:21.759
You know what I mean?
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:30.559
But if if you turn down that proof and you turn up the sweetness and you turn up the rye, all of a sudden you're getting closer and closer to a traditional Canadian.
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:31.599
I would agree.
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:36.240
I think you and I have had enough traditional Canadian that we want something outside of the traditional.
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:38.720
I think that's why I like this.
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:51.599
But I do find interesting we're taking Canadian whiskey, finishing it in normal stuff, normal for outside of America, so sherry sherry, Pieck Sherry.
00:29:51.839 --> 00:30:02.240
But then we're also tossing in new American oak that's char level one, so toast and char level two, which is just a step above a toast.
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:03.359
That seems weird.
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:04.319
That's an interesting compliment.
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:08.319
Yeah, it's like you're almost trying to, they're almost, they were almost trying to boost the sweetness, right?
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:15.680
With the high price like a little and also kind of bring it kind of back to American almost, like American flavor.
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:20.160
They're trying to, yeah, I think they're trying to put more wood in it, which you don't typically get in Canadian whiskey.
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:32.400
No, it's super it kind of reminds me a little bit more of the and actually what what this reminds me a little bit is the basil Hayden wine cast finish because that sherry, the sherry finishing is on here.
00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:43.279
What it's actually doing to me is it's drying it out a little bit, and I'm appreciating the hell out of that on a Canadian, the the dry wine kind of aspect that you get from sherry a little bit.
00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:46.160
I would say I would say that dark fruit.
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:48.400
Yeah, it's like that, it's very much like that wine.
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:49.200
Yeah, that makes sense.
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:55.440
It's like I was thinking dark fruit versus like something that's very sweet, like a ripe fruit, like a like a perfectly ripe strawberry.
00:30:55.519 --> 00:31:01.039
It's very sweet, it's got a little bit of a sour, but this is more of like an over-ripe, like dark berry.
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:02.559
But yeah, I mean that that makes sense.
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:08.640
Well, it's taking a little bit of that wine Canadian sweetness and it's changing it into something more marriage a little bit a little bit.
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:09.440
I would agree, yeah.
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:11.200
It softens up the part that I don't like.
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:14.400
Yeah, which is yeah, the most people that most people don't like that.
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:19.599
So I added some water to mine because I wanted to see what it would do if we lowered the proof on it a little bit.
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:23.119
And for me, one, it actually made it more proofy.
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:27.039
Like I get more of the spice, or I don't know if that's maybe that is the rye, I don't know.
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:38.079
But also it changed that sweetness and kind of removed those fruit flavors and turned it into a like a molasses, kind of a darker, that's exactly darker sweet.
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:39.599
So more traditional Canadian.
00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:40.880
More traditional Canadian.
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:48.960
So when I add just a little bit of water to it, it it did make it actually a little less pleasant in terms of just just like spice level, I guess.
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:53.039
And I like I said, I I I equate it more to proof than to rye.
00:31:53.279 --> 00:32:01.119
The it's it's giving me more of a proof issue than a rye pleasantness, but it changed that sweetness and changed it more to more.
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:06.720
Taking away those concentration of flavors is is making it more of a traditional Canadian.
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:07.440
Yep.
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:09.519
Which is a turnoff for a lot of people.
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:10.640
It can be.
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:12.559
Yeah, for a lot of people, people that don't like that.
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:14.400
That's what I love about this.
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:15.599
This is Canadian subtly.
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.880
This is subtly Canadian with with American vibes.
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:23.359
I think if you were uh if you were so I mean, as being a Canadian fanboy, right?
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:33.680
If you were if you were like you, I love Canadian whiskey, not a huge bourbon gum, not a huge rye guy, and you just really wanted like a Canadian whiskey, this is would this be something that you would be drawn to to buy?
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:36.240
Well, I mean, I think because it's got so much age on it.
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:41.119
And Nick asked me a very similar question in a different format a long time ago.
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:45.119
If you're like really into the Canadian, what would you look for?
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:46.960
What would you all this stuff?
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:55.200
And I told him I will say that Canadian whiskey runs very much together, it's very similar across the board.
00:32:55.519 --> 00:33:01.680
Really, what you're looking for is different qualities of it, and after a while, different iterations.
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:03.759
For me, that's the big thing.
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:07.680
Now I've had enough of it that I'm looking for Canadian different.
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:09.599
That's how I feel about Irish.
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:09.920
Right.
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:14.480
So, I mean, unless you're that guy that drinks the same stuff, the same brand all the time.
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:24.400
If you just like Canadian whiskey for all the different aspects of it and you're looking to try different things, yeah, 100% you'd reach for this because now this is a departure from what you're used to.
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:26.799
You can't get this in every other bottle.
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:29.599
You know, this is a very unique Canadian expression.
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:35.440
If your bottle is is crown royal, yeah, this is probably not a great bottle.
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:37.680
And you're not even looking for anything different.
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:39.759
If you're if you're that kind of guy and there's nothing wrong with it.
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:42.559
You may be looking for like a crown peach or crown blackberry.
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:44.720
You might you'll go get the crown 20.
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:46.160
Yeah, you know.
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:48.160
Yeah, you're uh we've talked about this.
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:56.480
Like, like if you are a big crown guy, every now and then you might go something exciting like a crown 18, yeah, and be like, oh, this is my special bottle.
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:58.240
But it's very similar to Irish whiskey people.
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:05.839
People that are super in Irish whiskey will drink the same thing, whether it's powers or it's Tillamore do or it's Jameson or whatever.
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:11.280
And then every now and then they'll reach for the Jameson 18, which I don't think they don't make that anymore.
00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:13.760
But green spot or whatever it is.
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:15.920
But that's a that's a special occasion bottle.
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:19.440
And again, so it's a very similar question to Irish whiskey.
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:21.760
They're very much the same across the board.
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:24.320
What are you looking for if you're an Irish whiskey fan?
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:29.599
A departure from the norm, something that's Irish and its roots, but different expression.
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:31.920
Redbreast fits that bill, right?
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.960
They they come out with different expressions of Irish whiskey.
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:38.079
It's exciting, it's new, it's different, it's limited, it's whatever.
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:40.320
Yeah, you're reaching for that if you're an Irish fan.
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.360
So if you're a Canadian fan, is this a bottle you're reaching for?
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:45.760
You bet you're sweet ass, in my opinion.
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.320
Unless you're a very basic, I don't want to, you know, be challenged.
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:53.360
But if you like to be challenged, oh yeah, dude.
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:57.280
I mean, I'm a Canadian guy through and through, and I'm dude, I'm loving this bottle.
00:34:57.440 --> 00:34:59.440
And for the price, yeah, I want this on the shelf.
00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:00.960
I want this on the shelf.
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:02.800
I'm gonna put my name in that lottery.
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:04.559
You bet, you bet, you betcha.
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:07.119
As they would say in the that area.
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:08.800
You bet you betcha.
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:19.039
You know what's interesting as you were talking about Irish and Canadian whiskey, and like if you've had one, you're like, okay, maybe I've had them all, but okay, let's depart, let's find a different version of this.
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:27.679
For some reason, Irish and Canadian whiskey are the only two types that I can see people doing that in.
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:29.440
I don't see anyone doing that for scotch.
00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:32.480
I don't really see anyone doing that for American whiskey, bourbon.
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:36.960
Yeah, I would say for Scott, Scott, here's here's my opinion on Scotch.
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:45.760
Uh, although there are different we're not, I'm not talking about Highland Scotches, and I'm not talking about like the hardcore, the hardcore scotch, you know what I'm saying?
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:46.639
Like Octomorph?
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:47.119
Yeah, yeah.
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:52.800
I'm talking about like a very basic scotch, a space-ide scotch, the people that are into like very basic.
00:35:53.119 --> 00:36:03.679
The only thing those guys are looking for is how much smoother can I get, how much more refined can I get, how expensive can I get.
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:16.880
When you're talking about the guy that drinks like scotch, because like I drink scotch, those types of dudes, like they're literally like, this is a 28-year-old single malt, and they don't really care a whole lot.
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:18.960
It's gonna all scotch taste the same.
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:24.800
They're not looking for a departure, they're looking for smoothness and age and status.
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:26.079
They're being status y.
00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:27.119
They're being status y.
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:32.639
They don't really know, they know the flavors of what scotch is, but they're not like you get what I'm saying?
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:34.480
So scotch is different.
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:41.519
I don't know anybody who's like, you know, drinks a a bargain, like a bargain bottle scotch all the time.
00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:43.119
Like, I just don't know anybody who does that.
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:43.760
You get what I'm saying?
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:46.800
I mean, I did have a guy once that famous grouse grouse.
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:49.440
That was his bottle, and he would go crazy for it.
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:54.559
But I don't think that even people, the the people that are drinking like to that point, you get what I'm saying?
00:36:54.639 --> 00:37:01.280
Like the daily driver type drinkers that are drinking uh Canadian Club every day or uh Jameson's every day.
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:02.800
Scotch people don't do that.
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:09.920
I don't think that there's a guy that's like, I go home and drink uh you know, three glasses of famous Krause a day.
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:12.159
It's I just called it the business deal.
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:12.880
Let's drink this.
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:14.320
You get what I'm saying?
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:22.880
Every once in a while I'll get somebody that's down there getting a liter of scotch, like the liter bottles of the of the blended scotch.
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:26.559
And it's like this guy clearly is not looking for a quality scotch.
00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:27.360
He's got like this.
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:30.800
But even then, I don't know how much how much you think he's drinking a ton of that.
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:32.880
I mean, he's buying big bottles of it.
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:33.920
Maybe he just does it once.
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:35.280
Steve sees them there every Friday.
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:36.559
Weird, yeah.
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:38.880
Every once in a while it up, not very many of them.
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:40.159
They're usually pretty old.
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:41.679
So the ones that are doing it are usually.
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:44.239
That's my guess.
00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:45.840
My assumption is that they are mixing it.
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.360
I used to make an Irish coffee with scotch, which makes no sense, I know.
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:54.639
But uh, we used to use Klan McGregor, and it was a liter for like 11 bucks or whatever.
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:55.360
That was cheap.
00:37:55.440 --> 00:38:02.239
And what we we me and my brother would make a pot of coffee and pour about you know half to three quarters of scotch in there.
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:03.440
It was the other way around.
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:16.159
Dollop of coffee and a ton of Klan McGregor, and we and but and we bought, but but it was cheap, and we were younger, and we that's how we drank, and we would drink, you know, two or three or four or eight cups of those, you know, and that was fine.
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:19.519
Uh, and that was like a you know, a couple months at a time type of thing.
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:22.480
Yeah, just a new before passing out.
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:30.480
Yeah, so uh, you know, I so for that, I mean I get buying the big things, but I but for the most part, I don't see like your guy that's going through a liter a week.
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:33.840
It's not typically scotch, but maybe, but maybe it is it's a mixer, yeah.
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:34.960
It's a mixing it with something.
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:37.360
I don't think anybody's sit drinking it for the yeah, yeah.
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:38.800
Yeah, he's not doing it for flavor.
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:39.280
I can tell you that.
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:40.960
He's not doing it for flavor.
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:46.960
So I I will say that, yeah, to go back to your point, Nick, I think scotch is different.
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:55.199
Whereas there are people that like daily drivers, um, Irish whiskey, Canadian whiskey, um, bourbon, obviously, bourbon.
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:58.480
And then you've got, you know, your alcoholics that drink vodka or whatever.
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:00.800
Straight ethanol.
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:01.840
Just straight ethanol.
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:02.800
Or your gin.
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.519
I like I love gin, but like uh, yeah, gin, you could overdo it with gin.
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:09.599
Drink a liter of gin a day, you know.
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:10.719
You can I can do that.
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:11.280
I like gin.
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:12.159
Gin on ice.
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:12.960
Gin's great, dude.
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:14.559
And I the straight, yeah, I love it.
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:15.679
Most people don't like that.
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:16.000
I do.
00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:16.639
I I like it.
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:17.760
I like gin straight.
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:19.199
Yeah, gin straight's great.
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:19.440
Yeah.
00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:21.440
He's getting my face.
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:22.320
He's making a face.
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:23.199
He's really getting into it.
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:28.400
I'm not, I don't I haven't really explored gin much.
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:48.880
I've tried like I've had like Hendrix and like a soda or something at the bar once, and then I think I had a I've had the obviously the four-peel gin is good as a cocktail, like making cocktails with that, but I've never had like a good, like a London dry gin or something like that where it's neat or on the rocks.
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:58.880
It's you take a bottle out of the freezer and you take a glass and you fill it with ice, then you throw that gin in that glass of ice and you drink it.
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:00.800
That's it.
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:06.639
So and if I want a gin and tonic, I will do that and then I'll throw lime in there.
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:08.639
But with no tonic bottle.
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:10.000
I just took I look at the tonic bottle.
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:12.239
Very similar to my martinis.
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:13.519
I just look at the vermoons.
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:15.440
You have to have imagine what tonic would taste like.
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:19.440
Think about it, and I go, Yeah, this is a gin and tonic.
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:20.000
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:22.880
So it has to be in the room, it's it's in the government.
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:27.599
Presence isn't is desired, but it doesn't have to actually participate.
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:29.599
It can stand back there and watch.
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:30.079
That's fine.
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:32.000
Gin and tonic voyeur.
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:33.519
Sit over in that chair.
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:34.480
I'm I'm fine with it.
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:36.079
Yeah, you sit there and don't talk.
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:38.719
You're here for a reason.
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:39.280
That's it.
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:41.119
Or the voyeur's gin and tonic.
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:41.599
That's right.
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:42.159
That's right.
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:44.400
I should order that at the bar next time.
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:46.400
Do you see the tonic bottle?
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:46.880
You do?
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:47.760
Okay, that's good enough.
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:49.199
Give me my drink.
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:55.199
Do we know for this Helldiver what last year's release was?
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:56.480
That's what we're drinking right now.
00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:58.159
Is this the 2026 release?
00:40:58.320 --> 00:40:59.199
Yes, this year.
00:40:59.360 --> 00:40:59.519
Yeah.
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:00.880
Is that that was your question?
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:04.079
No, then like have they changed the proof I was with you, Steve.
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:04.559
I was with you.
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:14.000
I do think they they they keep it a similar like they I think they try to keep a similar flavor profile, but it's very different every year just because you're going to be using so many different parents.
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:20.960
I don't know percentages, but I know that it was a 17-year, so it was between 17 and 24.
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:26.880
Uh, PX Cherry, Cognac, and Noebec and Oak bowed at 112 proof.
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:28.400
Okay, so a lower proof.
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:32.559
What are the odds that I said 112 proof earlier?
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:33.199
What is this?
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:35.039
Did I say 112?
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:35.840
Oh, I do remember that.
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:36.559
That's crazy.
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:37.119
That is crazy.
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:39.840
A little early.
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:40.639
I was a little early.
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:41.519
You were just a little early.
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:43.199
Normally, not the case.
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:43.840
Yeah.
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:52.719
And then 24, the 24 release was a 15 year 15 to 23, pick sherry, cognac, and new American Oak at 119.
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:54.800
Wait, sherry cognac?
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:56.719
Sherry and then Sherry and Cognac.
00:41:56.800 --> 00:42:00.719
Yeah, Sherry and Sherry, cognac, and no American Oak.
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:01.280
They change it.
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:03.039
Uh so that was the same for the 25, also.
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.039
Oh, so they changed the cognac.
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:10.320
So now did they also add the toasted and they didn't have the toasted last time?
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:10.800
Correct.
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:12.400
So this is a different iteration.
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:12.880
Yeah.
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:14.000
So the 26.
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:14.960
They're refining it.
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:17.760
Got rid of the cognac and added the olor rosso.
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:18.239
And the toast.
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:22.480
And then now I know that it's char one and two versus just new American oak.
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.840
I wonder if they went away from the cognac because they felt like it was a little too sweet.
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:26.639
I could see that.
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:28.480
I I think this is sweet enough.
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:34.400
Yeah, and they wanted to dry, like you said, you with that that extra oloroso sherry, you're gonna dry it out a little bit.
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:40.320
Um this is probably one of my favorite.
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:49.840
This is really one I'm gonna like stash and hide from myself and I I did not read this before we started talking, but it does have a flavor profile on here.
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:50.639
Okay, read it.
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:51.599
And we're pretty good.
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:53.599
Uh extremely rich.
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:54.880
You know that, Steve?
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:55.119
Why?
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:56.559
And dark fruit forward.
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:58.159
So we've talked about that.
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:08.480
Features deep notes of molasses, dark raisins, tart cherries, plum, candy pecan, uh pecan or pecanch, and brown sugar.
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:13.920
Balanced by new oak spices, toasted walnut, and a velvety full-bodied mouthfeel.
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:16.159
Velvety full-bodied mouthfeel.
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:19.679
Yeah, that's that's a way to that's somebody to describe me that way.
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:21.760
I would be very in I'd be very proud.
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:24.000
But I mean, that's a great way to describe what we were talking about.
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:28.480
Like that it's very like it's it's soft, but it just kind of hangs out there.
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.599
I mean, that's funny that we were pretty much spot on with what they had said.
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:33.039
The brothers, right?
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:36.000
Nick and are they the only two in the company?
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:40.559
Or do they have people like uh the blenders or people that help them with blending?
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:44.320
I'm sure that they have other people in the company, but they are the two that started it.
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:53.760
Yeah, Nick and Texas had to showcase the true potential of ultra age liquids by acquiring well aged casks and using modern full favorite blending and finishing techniques.
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:58.079
Uh, so they don't say if they've hired a blender or if they're doing it themselves.
00:43:58.639 --> 00:43:59.760
You know what's something interesting.
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:01.599
Just to interject right now.
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:03.360
And I don't normally talk about this.
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:04.079
I don't.
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:10.719
But the tobacco was struggling a little bit, but which is normal for germains on a pop 10, a fresh-based.
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:12.159
I'm still struggling just a little.
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:14.639
But I hit the half halfway through my bowl.
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:17.599
This second half so far is exquisite.
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:18.320
It's so good.
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:19.920
Flavor wise, it's so much better.
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:21.199
It's like all of a sudden.
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:30.719
And so I don't typically talk about um as it changes throughout the bowl, which tobacco does um change as you go down a lot of times, whether it's better or worse.
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:41.679
But I will say, I don't know if you guys have gotten to that point with your pipe yet, but for me, I just hit like the second half of this and it's really, really opened up flavor-wise, so much better.
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:41.920
Yeah.
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:44.000
Creaminess has come forward a little bit.
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:47.039
It's like it's producing like a pretty thick, like heavy smoke.
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:49.360
Yeah, it's starting to start to burn better.
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:51.599
I'm starting to get a white ash on top, whereas before I didn't.
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:55.679
I think it's the moisture is starting to come down moisture to it, which is helping.
00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:57.039
Uh, it's a little drier.
00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:01.920
I'm getting a lot more Virginia's off of this tobacco, which for an English I don't typically get.
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:04.719
Yeah, the I feel like that that we talk about this all the time.
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:06.159
Like, I love the incense flavor.
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.880
Like this, I really, really like this uh tobacco.
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:11.679
This is more charcoal, charcoal y type of addictive.
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:13.760
But it's not overpowering.
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:21.440
Like uh, there's there's certain blends that that you I like I like them because of the because of that, but it that can all can almost become overpowering.
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:25.280
This is something that I feel like I could it very esoterica for, right?
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:25.519
Right.
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:28.320
I've never had a like a like a the Germains brand.
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:32.320
I've had some esoterica stuff, but um, this is really, really good.
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:34.400
Uh I think, yeah, I think you I agree.
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:38.159
Like some of the moisture, it's definitely got a lot of moisture in it, um, which is surprising.
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:40.000
I'd be curious to see how old this 10 is.
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:41.840
That's what I was trying to look to see if I could figure out.
00:45:41.920 --> 00:46:00.480
But like I was enjoying it, uh, but now that I hit the second half of my bowl, all of a sudden it's transformed into like a very um a little bit more balkan forward, but it's very good English blend that is really um just behaving well and flavor-wise, it's smoothed out.
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:12.960
It almost gives it like a and tell me if I'm wrong in this thought process and when I get flavor-wise, but that second half, it almost gives like a dark chocolate cherry with the whiskey.
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:16.880
Like it gives more of a dark chocolate kind of feel.
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:20.559
I get what you're saying with the cocoa a little bit, maybe like a like a cocoa.
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:28.000
Uh it's the the type of smoke, the latiquia, is more charcoal, in my opinion.
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:35.760
And less creosote, less fireplace, less campfire, more charcoal barbecue, not sweet barbecue, barbecue.
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:38.400
Yes, charcoal, yeah, charcoal, like a web break.
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:42.079
And then the but but for me, the orientals are finally coming through.
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.360
So I'm getting some creaminess and some sweet sour.
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:52.800
Um, but the Virginias have been there since like I've lit, like the I first lit it, but and they haven't gone away.
00:46:52.960 --> 00:47:01.920
But I feel like uh maybe that's why I was struggling a little bit because I was getting more Virginia and less everything else, and it was a little bit wet, which Germains comes that way.
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:07.679
Um, but now all of a sudden the second half of this bowl is it's behaving better and it's just delicious.
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:07.920
Yeah.
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:12.960
So I was able to figure out what year this 10 was from based on the date, the um the code.
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:14.239
Uh 2018.
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:15.199
2018?
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:15.679
Okay.
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:17.280
So it's probably about eight years.
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:18.800
That's way more than I thought.
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:19.039
Yeah.
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:19.360
Yeah.
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:19.679
Yeah.
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:20.159
Wow.
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:24.000
It's hard to tell about the 10 because it has such like an antique kind of label.
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:24.320
Yeah.
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:26.960
It looks like it's from like 30 years ago.
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:28.559
I didn't, I honestly did not think about it.
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:31.920
I think it was at all, but when we popped it, that uh the paper in there is oily.
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:32.960
Yeah, it's very, yeah.
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:37.280
I mean, it's like got that like very like like a cigar cellophane like darkness to it.
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.159
You've mentioned esoterica a few times, and this is germain.
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:42.559
Are they related or are they just team company?
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:43.360
Okay, they are the same.
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:45.920
Uh Germain's uh makes esoterica.
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:47.599
It's one of their lines, basically.
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:50.320
So what makes a lot of people don't know this?
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:58.000
What makes esoterica uh germains so crazy awesome, amazing, is for one thing, they're old as hell.
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:04.719
They are made in the British Isles, they are a very small operation, which is why it's so limited.
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:07.360
They don't do that because they're trying to drive up prices.
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:19.199
It's just literally one of the last few places that it's hand-touched, hand quality, handmade stuff on very old machines that when they are broke, that's it.
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:34.960
They're keeping them, they're keeping them working, but they're old machines in an old factory in the freaking British Isles, and and they're and they're getting leaf that they've gotten for years and years and years, like the same quality, and they're making it in a way that nobody else is doing it.
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:42.639
So that what well and to their credit, the small batch, it it is yes, it is small, very small batch, yeah, but they don't drive up the prices.
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:56.880
They're not they're not acting like this store if you get it at you, you if you get it at the like regular price, it's gonna be average away that a little bit more than a regular Cornell and deal, but no more than a small batch or way.
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:08.559
They literally make what they can when they can and they give it to their suppliers.
00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:09.280
That's it.
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:11.119
They're selling it to the people that are buying.
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:13.920
So when these sites get it, they sell it.
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:14.559
That's it.
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:17.440
Now the secondary market's retarded with this stuff.
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:24.320
But as far as like like legit, like say, say you're smoking pipes.com, Steve, and Herm, your pipes and cigars.
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:30.239
You're you are allotted X amount, Steve, and you're allotted X amount, Herm, probably less than because Steve's cooler, right?
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:33.119
And he's he gets he sells more, just is what it is.
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:40.639
And then you got tobacco pipes over here, which is Nick, which is even less than, and you got four noggins, which is me, which is even less than, right?
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:44.480
So Steve gets the most, and then Herm gets some, and then Nick gets some.
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:52.320
When they're done giving their suppliers the allotted amounts, then it starts going to you know whoever until they're done with their product, and that's it.
00:49:52.400 --> 00:50:03.119
So so as far as their germains are going, they're selling out every time to their people, and then these people are the ones that can drive up the price, these these brick and mortars, you know what I mean.
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:05.280
And and honestly, that's to where you get this stuff.
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:09.039
Anybody wondering where do you get esoterica or germains?
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:13.360
It's not online because it's the same people that freaking pirate that stuff.
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:18.159
But if you can go to a brick and mortar, you can't beat out the the third party reset.
00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:20.639
We just found a whole bunch of it right here in Columbus.
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:23.039
We found it at Tinderbox Dublin.
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:24.480
Shout out to Tinderbox Dublin.
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:30.400
They just got a bunch in, yeah, and so we we all all of us kind of got got some some share of that.
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:32.320
And it didn't used to be what it is now.
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:40.320
I mean, it was always limited, but I remember like the first time I ever went into uh Pipes and Pleasures here in Columbus.
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:43.039
I walked in there and I didn't know a whole lot of anything.
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:44.960
And this is years and years and years ago.
00:50:45.039 --> 00:51:03.039
I mean, when Frog Morton's on the shelf for normal, and so I walked in there and I'm trying to figure out what and they have I remember seeing tens and tens of penzans and pinbroke, freaking germaine, just out the ass, like just tons, like a whole shelf of just dedicated two germains and it's like you could have retired had you bought all that all those things.
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:11.199
And I remember they were like talking it up, and I looked at it, and yeah, if you look at Dunbar, my my package of Dunbar there, it's very, very plain.
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:18.400
And being a new pipe, new ish pipe smoker at the time, looking at that and looking at something like the Royal Yacht right there.
00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:20.320
I was marketing almost a royal yacht.
00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:21.360
Yeah, you know what I mean?
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:24.320
So I even really went for esoterica.
00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:28.639
I bought one tin of Pinbroke and I took it home and I smoked it.
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:30.559
And I was like, oh my God, right?
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:32.079
And I'm a cognac guy.
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:37.280
So I was like, oh my God, you know, and I thought I found some treasure, you know, and I at the time I did it.
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:40.400
So I was, dude, I was smoking esoteric like it was nobody's business.
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:42.960
And pins ants, oh, as much as I wanted, right?
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:49.679
And all of a sudden, it was like people found out about this stuff, and it was like you couldn't get it for the life of you.
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:52.559
And now it's like, you know, it's like a unicorn.
00:51:52.719 --> 00:52:01.119
But there for the guys back in the day, anybody listening who knows back in the day, it was like the like pin stance, bourbon and people's daily drivers.
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:03.440
Can you imagine being penzants being your daily smoke?
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:04.480
Yeah, that's what it was.
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:05.840
That's what Frog More, right?
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:08.880
Like Frog Morton say people frogmorton was smoke.
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:10.719
Frog on a log was my daily smoke.
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:14.639
Yeah, and it's like now, like you could put your kids through college with a few tens of frog mortem.
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:17.840
I I remember having bulk amounts of McClellan.
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:26.400
Like, I had like so much I gave it away because I had so many huge jars of like bulk McClellan, and I'd never thought a thing about it.
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:30.320
Yeah, I would still like to get my hands on a uh McClellan's Christmas cheer.
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:31.199
Christmas cheer.
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:32.559
That's one I would like to try.
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:34.000
Which one's the Christmas cheer?
00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:35.119
But it's really hard to get.
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:41.440
So McClellan's is the same as the the Frog Morton brand, is McFalls under McClellan's brand, which they went out a long time ago.
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:43.440
But they made Christmas cheer every year.
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:44.559
It was it was a yearly one.
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:48.239
It was like kind of a taller one that was like red and then blue.
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:49.199
Then red and blue.
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:50.000
I don't remember being red.
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:50.719
Mostly red and gold.
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:52.000
Mostly red and red and gold.
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:52.320
Okay.
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:53.760
They had that at the pipe show.
00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:57.760
And uh it goes, yeah, it goes for a ridiculous amount of money.
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:03.519
You could I mean you can still find it secondary, but it's it's it and it's slowly defined because people are smoking it.
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:04.719
I mean, people are smoking it, yeah.
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:06.639
I would love to just get my hands on a tank.
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:09.679
Their mellow Mac was really good.
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:21.519
I mean, I feel like anything that has McClellan's name on it is gonna be I have I have one pipe left of uh across the pond, because that was my that was by far my favorite, and I will be smoking that the day my son is born.
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:22.639
That'll be my last.
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:24.320
That's that'll be the end of my McClellan.
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:26.719
That'll be uh that one, and that'll be my last.
00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:28.719
I know that that'll be my pipe that day.
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:32.320
So yeah, I got into pipe smoking a little too late for McClellan.
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:36.320
So is the Christmas cheer supposed to be like Christmasy or just the name?
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:37.119
It was Christmasy.
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:41.519
It was Christmas, it was more seasonal blends, probably a little bit aromatic.
00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:42.880
Uh, and I remember when it came out.
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:45.519
They made that was kind of the go-to Christmas blend.
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:48.079
There were two blends that they came out with.
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:51.760
Um, it was 220, 222 Baker Street or whatever.
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:55.519
It was the there was they came out with two Sherlock Holmes blends a while back.
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:57.360
I remember when it came out, it was brand new.
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:00.960
They had a black shag, and then they had one that was called Honeydew.
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:08.400
Honeydew was okay, it was at aromatic, but the black shag was a shag cut, and I can't remember the components, but it was black.
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:19.519
And it was like, this is what, and if you re ever read uh Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes, the way it they describe um Sherlock Holmes tobacco that he smokes was this black shag.
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:22.079
And I will say that stuff was really, really good.
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:26.159
And at the time I remember smoking it, being like, This is different, this is so different, so unique.
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:28.000
Not really appreciating it.
00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:37.519
And now it's it's one of those things that, like, now that it's gone, it's like that was it was so different and so unique and nothing like it that I think about that actually quite often.
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:43.039
Like, it sucks that I can't like like somebody needs to replicate that blend, the black shag.
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:49.360
It's almost like a McClellan's going out was almost would was would I guess the equivalent in whiskey would be kind of like Buffalo Trace.
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:50.719
It would be like Buffalo Trace.
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:51.760
Closing their doors tomorrow.
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:52.880
It was the number one.
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:55.199
They don't share the recipes with anyone.
00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:56.719
There's it can never be made again.
00:54:56.880 --> 00:54:57.760
Never be made again.
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.800
And then like imagine what those Buffalo Trace bottles end up looking like.
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:04.559
Yeah, you know, the bottles of the I mean they're already crazy, right?
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:08.320
Like they're already there's already a secondary market for them, but then they just close their doors abruptly.
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:10.000
Yeah, it would it can never be made again.
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:11.840
It literally was the they were just the best.
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:23.920
And it's just now it's like you're like, Well, what like you you're you're scrambling to find your blend, or you you always wanted to try, you know, like the the you know, a weller antique, and they they no longer make it anymore.
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:27.199
And now it's really hard to find, even harder than it already is.
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:28.559
Well, it it used to be.
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:30.159
It's come becoming a little less less.
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:31.679
It's crazy.
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:34.480
Like, I was lucky that I had a good amount of before they went out.
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:46.320
But to be honest, I smoked so much Frog Morton specifically, uh McClellan's in general, but Frog Morton specifically, that I didn't think anything about it.
00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:56.559
It would be like tomorrow if all of a sudden every Jim Beam product was gone, Nick would flip out, but he wouldn't have gone out and bought a ton of it without knowing, you know what I mean?
00:55:56.639 --> 00:55:58.400
Because he dr because you drink so much Jim Beam.
00:55:58.480 --> 00:55:59.199
You get what I'm saying?
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:03.760
You have what you have to smoke like at least once a day, like with Frog Morton.
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:07.280
Like I smoked so much of it, I never thought like I need to stockpile this shit.
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:10.480
I had enough to last me in case like something weird happened.
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:16.000
But I never thought that like I need to, you know, because it was my daily thing, you know.
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:21.199
But you had one extra sitting back basically, just you know, just lying.
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:22.719
I'm like more than one.
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:25.920
I can literally see Frog Smith on his shelf.
00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:27.760
That frog shelf is Frog Morton.
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:31.679
Literally, I can within eyesight, I see multiple tens of Frogmortons.
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:34.400
But I wish I had gotten some Frog Morton on the town.
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:36.079
I can't believe I didn't get well.
00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:37.039
I didn't, I just didn't know.
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:43.119
I always kind of like what happened with um um the other there was another big tobacco blend that just went out.
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:44.159
Um they got bought up.
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:47.519
Uh, you're talking about Mac Baron or Sutliff?
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:48.800
Well, yeah, Sutliff in general.
00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:48.960
Yeah.
00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:51.679
So Sutliff went out and it was kind of like uh, is this another one of those?
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:58.559
And it was like, eh, Sutliff is a little more like your everyday smoke, your bulk blends, like a lot of that.
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:06.239
So it does affect the market, but it wasn't something that like a lot of people I felt like were gonna go run and chase down a bunch of tins of Sutliffs.
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:07.440
There were certain things Sutliff.
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:16.400
The big thing about Sutliff, Sutliff was MGP for tobacco, they were sourcing a lot of tobacco for other people and then versus being like blends went out.
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:20.079
They were like you're very bulk.
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:22.800
Seattle Pipe Club had a scramble and yeah, exactly.
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:29.519
So there's a lot of a lot of your bulk blends that people mix is a Sutliff blend.
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:30.400
I mean, yeah, absolutely.
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:31.119
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:35.920
So uh MacBaron going out was a bigger deal for me.
00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:41.920
There was a certain certain blends, and I was able to get a good amount, but like bold Kentucky, yeah.
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:54.239
The Hold Fire, like like there's some blends that haven't been replicated and won't be replicated because Mac Baron was another one of those that had specific machines that they destroyed them not to sell.
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:55.119
They destroyed them.
00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:59.199
So it was one of those things that, like, F, you know what I mean?
00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:05.840
Like, cause uh because a Mac Baron flake is if you've never seen one, is something amazing.
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:06.880
It's art, it's art.
00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:07.840
Like they're different.
00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:11.199
They're the most uniform flakes I've ever seen in my life.
00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:13.760
Mattes, I mean, I don't know how you do it.
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:14.639
I just don't know how to do it.
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:19.840
Like a it's like a really square, like small rectangular tent, even it's probably even smaller than that.
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:22.800
It's like it's exactly the same size as the 10.
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:28.079
It's like it's like it looks like a piece of it's amazing, and the way it comes wrapped in the gold PLOC.
00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:29.519
It's just something special.
00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:32.079
Yeah, you can't uh you just can't get that again.
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:32.800
So it's gone.
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:34.320
I mean, it's just one of those things.
00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:36.960
So you gotta get it while you can, you know.
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:39.440
Sounds like that's similar to this model.
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:43.840
Yeah, and uh essentially the one we're gonna have next of uh once you have it.
00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:44.559
Yep.
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:48.400
And so real quick before before we cancel out here.
00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:56.719
Uh, to add yourself to this list, you need to go to found north or or look up their website, add yourself to the mailing list mailing list.
00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:01.039
And then when you do that, you can choose to enter yourself into a lottery.
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:02.159
Yeah, it's not automatic.
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:07.679
Yeah, so how it works is once you're on the mailing list, yeah, they do this once a year, maybe whatever.
00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:09.440
Two times a year, two times a year.
00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:10.400
They have different releases.
00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:16.079
Some of them are not lotteries, some of them are hey, we're releasing this bottle, go ahead and buy yours now.
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:17.440
It's a limited availability.
00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:18.800
Okay, you can just go ahead and buy it.
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:22.239
But you get an email that says, Hey, this is the bottle, click the link.
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:25.440
And if it's a lottery, it'll tell you, hey, this is what the bottle is.
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:26.320
Click on this.
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:27.760
The link will open on this day.
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:29.519
Go ahead and you know, click on it.
00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:36.079
You sign up for it, put all your card information in, and they have like maybe a week or two weeks before they end the lottery.
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:38.960
Well, they put like a one dollar charge in your card or whatever.
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:40.480
They're shipping it to your house.
00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:42.239
Yep, they ship it directly to your house.
00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:42.639
Yep.
00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:44.000
I love this uh business.
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:45.519
It is a is for business.
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:46.800
I really like this concept.
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:52.320
Yeah, they well, they utilize um one of the the big online alcohol retailers.
00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:54.159
Um, I want to say it's Sealbox.
00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:56.960
I'm not entirely sure that's how they ship it to you.
00:59:57.039 --> 00:59:58.559
So the shipping is a little pricey.
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:00.559
So I think on the state, especially, yeah.
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:06.960
Because you're you know, you're buying it and they're shipping it to you, and you're you're getting you're gonna hit with taxes and you're gonna hit with shipping, a pretty decent shipping cost.
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:09.920
I think it's all in all 20, 30 bucks for shipping.
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:18.800
I think after everything it was like 203, uh, I believe, um, for the bottle shipped to my but to my door, and I didn't have to go stand for most people.
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:22.400
That's a lot, but for me, this that that this bottle's totally worth that.
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:32.719
It's not something I would probably buy every year, but I would definitely, I mean, if you haven't tried it, it's definitely a bottle worth I and based on previous years, I don't even know if I'd like those it that much.
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:40.639
This one specifically with the toe, it's hard to say without trying them side by side, but I love the addition of that the the toasted aspect.
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:44.239
And I feel like all of their bottles have had really high rating reviews.
01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:52.000
People really rave about them, um, both like from the the true like whiskey connoisseur people, but also from like the general public who get a bottle.
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:56.719
They have a pretty good, pretty good following in terms of people who've had their whiskey and they really like it.
01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:59.360
And so that's something that people will come back to for sure.
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:06.320
So I don't think the previous versions were any worse than this one, probably different, but not necessarily bad.
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:10.719
Yeah, when we get into our next one, we'll talk maybe about why they changed that.
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:16.159
So there is sort of a story a little bit about why that changed, about why the mash bill changed a little bit.
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:28.639
And based on the flavor of the next one, we'll really tell you whether or not you'll like the old ones because that they had more of the finishings, they are a little similar of the old ones.
01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:30.239
So great.
01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:31.920
So let's check out the next one next.
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:32.880
All excited for that.
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