Giles: Is this thing on? we wanted to we wanted to start by saying why why are we doing this?
Tim: Why are we here? What are we doing?
Giles: Why what are what are we doing? Is it externalizing a little bit more? Externalizing a little bit more. Is it just just trying to work out what what what happens next? Because but
Tim: Yeah.
Giles: why but why? Why why is that? Is it because we've worked together for a long time? We've had a lot
Tim: Yes.
Giles: we've had a lot of fun.
Tim: Yes.
Giles: and naturally Mm for no real plan at all. This year's been a bit more fractured. We've not had anything where we've needed to be working, I suppose, to the same level of in not intensity, but l working to the same level. So what w what what's happened? You've been distracted by some really important stuff at home.
Tim: Yes.
Giles: I've been distracted by some important stuff here. It's
Tim: Yes.
Giles: meant we've not really we've done less we've done less work. We've done less work
Tim: Yes.
Giles: fundamentally and it's sort of meant Do you know what? I can I'm okay with that.
Tim: I'm definitely okay with that because the
Giles: I know you're definitely okay with that. I'm sort of okay.
Tim: work's only been fun because of you, not because of the work.
Giles: That's an interesting point, yes.
Tim: and I'm as twizz ever thus.
Giles: Yeah, I know. I know. I know. I never
Tim: Peace.
Giles: if if I had my time again kind of conversation would I have actually been doing this, but
Tim: So, and I think from a, know, put not too far and important, part of, the other motivation for doing work is obviously a money motivation. And
Giles: Yes.
Tim: you know, I've been in a position, and you know, been in a position, I'm lucky enough to be in a position, but also. been in a position where that's not been a big driver for a good couple of years if not more and I think
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: the differences particularly with what's gone on in the last 12 months is Amanda's got closer to that position and gone
Giles: As well.
Tim: yeah shit
Giles: Yeah, yeah.
Tim: right when you look at it and write it all down
Giles: Mm.
Tim: what which then prompts for me which then prompts
Giles: Slightly different for Amanda, 'cause doesn't she enjoy doing what she's doing?
Tim: She does, but she enjoys the... I wouldn't say she enjoys the work, but she enjoys the people, she enjoys the social
Giles: Yes.
Tim: aspect of it, she enjoys the
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: logistics of it, the structure of it, and those sorts of things. She's going to an office every day. She's actually physically in an office. She enjoys working for the organisation she works for. She enjoys lots of elements to it. And it's her space, it's her thing to do. Yeah, but she's
Giles: It's her and it's her space. She's not at home and she's away from you and all of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tim: moved her working pattern so she gets two full days off a week to start to kind of... you know, there's a few kind of administrative things that she needs time and space to do that she doesn't wanna do at a weekend and it's opening up space to kind of do not other things as well. So I'm using the word retirement, but yeah, I'm using that,
Giles: yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Tim: but what I don't know is what that actually means. And one
Giles: is what that actually means. There you go.
Tim: of the things we've often talked about, I still want to continue to have, know, be talking to you on a regular basis. we've all,
Giles: Yes.
Tim: and even, and most of the time we're not talking about work anyway.
Giles: Well, most of the tal time we're talking about stuff, then there's a bit of work that's mentioned and and I go off and do that. And then you come in at at the at the end to go,
Tim: do it and then I'm like, yeah, and take,
Giles: Yeah, that looks brilliant.
Tim: that looks brilliant. So I. So I think this, I, so which moves us on to kind of contemplating our navel about doing a podcast. obviously
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: one of the things I do do is walk the dog a lot and listen to podcasts a lot.
Giles: Yes.
Tim: I'd like to build some structure into my pre-retirement. And when I say retirement, I think there's a couple of phases to that. There's the phase of like Grace going to university basically. There's a travel
Giles: Yes.
Tim: phase and then there's a kind of less phase. But I want to try and build some structure into this first phase of retirement. And there's a
Giles: Very good.
Tim: few things that I think the podcast could be part of that structure. I think...
Giles: It could. It could.
Tim: I there
Giles: It could.
Tim: are lots of people in our situation actually
Giles: Yes.
Tim: who are a bit lost about what they should do with being retired or thinking about it or haven't done it but thinking about it and don't know what to think about. Some people who've been for better or for worse, have been forced into it. Some people who've kind of worked, hated what they've been doing, but have got to a point where they've got enough that means they don't have to go in the office and they're quite happy to, you know, they've done the numbers, they've done the sums.
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: There's a whole group, you know, I wouldn't encourage you to do this, but you might want to, but you know, my algorithm on YouTube is full of, you know, YouTubers. in late 50s
Giles: Right.
Tim: YouTubers talking, some of them talking about early retirement, what they do with their days and start YouTube channels.
Giles: That's interesting. It's oddly enough, my algorithm is loads of people of of my age talking about prog. But but but you know, we'd listen to different different f folks for different strokes or whatever the thing is.
Tim: But different thing, different stuff, yes. you can, know, there are some silver influencers who are in this space. There's a big, big chunk of kind of financial advice. But there's a big chunk
Giles: That's not a thing. That's not a thing. A silver influence.
Tim: of... There's a big chunk of content which is about the finances of it. The financial services, IFA
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: type kind of community of have you got enough to retire? How much do you need to retire for this? How much money do you need to do? There's a big lot of that. And some of those kind of talking heads
Giles: Yeah, yeah.
Tim: also talk about, some of the better ones also talk about, and I'm sure you've heard this, you can't decide what you need in retirement until you decide what you're gonna do in your retirement.
Giles: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Tim: So my thinking correct me if I'm wrong but my thinking was that this would the jumping off point would and the anchor for the podcast would be what would be would be that what what how are we navigating
Giles: Yes.
Tim: not working or working less in your terms, me not working, what is that like, what are we doing? Hopefully, other people might enjoy the sense of humour and all the rest of it and then we can go off into a,
Giles: Unlikely.
Tim: unlikely, then we can go off into a, and then just use that as the anchor in an episode. And that's why
Giles: Well in the same in the
Tim: I think the title needs to needs to reference that. I think we talked about, I'll go back to what you said on your WhatsApp.
Giles: Well there were lots there were lots of it yeah, well I mean you get the idea, I like I do like, but it doesn't work in this context really, I don't I don't
Tim: I don't think it does.
Giles: think. Sadly. Think it's also I mean I don't it's not not about being discriminatory in any way or we we we can only really see it through our eyes, through our lens, but it's you know, it's legitimate that people might find it interesting from d there there are some that might say I might I I I might have to retire or I'm going to retire or I'm forced to retire whatever those things are but
Tim: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Giles: but I still need to keep my hand in. I still need to be you know I'm still open to to earning a bit of cash doing bits and bobs here and there doing some whatever that might be whatever that
Tim: Yeah.
Giles: B 'cause I n but well, other than that bit and I don't know what that is, and I don't know how that would look, and I don't know whether that applies to us. I don't know whether if I said right that I am gonna stop now, what what what that extra thing would be to earn if I needed to. But anyway, let's see. We were talking about what the
Tim: No, I don't think it is though. I don't think it is. I don't think that,
Giles: I don't think it was as well.
Tim: I don't think today... this is probably an interesting subject to kind of expand on, what does retirement, retirement very different for us, gonna be very different for us than it was for our parents and certainly for our grandparents. don't think
Giles: Yes. Yeah. Yep.
Tim: it's a, because we're likely to be younger than they were when they retired,
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: partly because, know, touch wood will be, the chances are we'll be in better health. And I think retirement for the Gen,
Giles: You speak for yourself, mate. Yeah, yeah.
Tim: what are we, Gen X? I think we are. Anyway, for our cohort,
Giles: I don't know. I d I don't I I have no idea. Yeah.
Tim: our generation, I don't think it is necessarily, I'll never do paid work again of any
Giles: No.
Tim: sort, but I think it's possibly I won't. I think it means these different people. Maybe we can expand on that.
Giles: Yeah, it does. And and that's what that the that that's what the journey that we'll go down will do.
Tim: I think it is, and I think it's also our experience. You do all the work anyway, what about structure? I'll tell you what I've gleaned from watching how to make a podcast videos on YouTube and reading shit off of.
Giles: go on. Go on.
Tim: and using my faithful assistant, Gemini.
Giles: Lesser him
Tim: Bless her.
Giles: it.
Tim: It is a her. We've got it as a her. Yeah. Gemini, right, the top title they're suggesting or she's suggesting is What Now? Captures the premise
Giles: Mm.
Tim: well. However, it is heavily used across Spotify and Apple podcasts. So what do we do now is more specific and might be an easier from a search algorithmic term.
Giles: What do we do now?
Tim: So
Giles: What do we do next? So yeah, okay. It was a bit
Tim: What do we do now? What do we do next? What do we do now? What do we do now? What do we do? What do we do now is available. What do we do now is the suggestion.
Giles: What do we do now? What do we do? What do we what does what do yeah. Okay.
Tim: What do we do now? And then, you know, there needs to be some, a podcast about type kind of description. Right, so we, you,
Giles: Well I think I did I d I was quite pleased with what I wrote on my description but I I know you didn't read it.
Tim: Yes, I did, but I'd read it ages ago and I can't remember it.
Giles: I can't find it now. I think I sent it to you, didn't I?
Tim: You did? Was it on an email?
Giles: I think it was. should I send it squad squadrate? Squadrate
Tim: Mm.
Giles: tree.
Tim: Here we go. Thoughts. Here we go. Tim and Giles, two vulnerable later middle-aged types, share thoughts about winding down work, retirement, and what to do next after nearly 40 years of work. 40 years?
Giles: Well I d well what am I fifty eight now? I first job you were at uni. I my job was
Tim: OU, University of Life. Okay.
Giles: no actually probably not. Nearly forty. I'd say it's thirty eight in a bit. Let's round it up for big for you know, for for for effects.
Tim: Nearly, okay. Nearly 40 years of work and being fortunate enough to finally close down the emails and log off the laptop. What are the options and opportunities for the next chapter? Having a plan is after battle. Or is it? Hear the real, real time thoughts of two men who are finding out what it means to finally call it a day at work and face exactly that indefinable thing. The podcast will probably explore everything from family life, what do 40 years of work actually mean, lifestyle choices, getting interested in new things and failing to take up hobbies, which almost certainly doesn't include golf. Listeners will get a live inside view of what and how you deal with life without proper work. So if you're even more, even remotely in the same place or have been through the journey yourself or your partner, or your partner has... has is about to embark here how Tim and Joel find out the answers hardly expert analogist or some real honest chat. I think that's that's good but do we do we also want to kind of go we're going to talk a bit about that but we're going to talk a bit with bollocks anyway.
Giles: Totally. Yeah, totally. I think Yeah, I sort of followed the Rest is entertainment description.
Tim: All right, okay, docked it in, yeah.
Giles: in principle and dropped it in. So it it sort of I would I would yeah, put the and the bit of bollocks. I mean again, you know
Tim: I'll a bit of a play around with that. Right, so golden
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: rules apparently are 40 minutes. We have to edit it down to 40 minutes, right? Which typically means recording for an hour and then using Mirificide
Giles: Yes, I'm happy with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Tim: to try and...
Giles: Yeah. That's fine. Last last podcast I did with Andrew Daly still hasn't been published because it was an hour and ten. And he he listened back to it and said, Yeah, we both rambled on a bit there, didn't we? I think I need to should we try and do it again? And we've never rearranged it. So yeah, I'm all over forty minutes.
Tim: Well, we can edit this Riverside stuff allows us to edit it all down. So me, I'll edit it all down and the AI. Right, the next thing
Giles: W when you say we Yes. yeah. But the time you did work.
Tim: is the structure. Having
Giles: Yes.
Tim: a repeatable structure at the very least.
Giles: Yes. First thought is we both do it. There's something repeatable. We're both on it. That's the first thing.
Tim: Yes.
Giles: Well, second
Tim: on the same day roughly.
Giles: at the same time would help as well.
Tim: Yes.
Giles: I Well, are we to let's c just get into cadence conversation first. Is this is this it's it's definitely not quarterly, probably not monthly, it should probably be weekly. Is it we should be weekly?
Tim: it should, the recommendation is to do it weekly. But that's.
Giles: It's a good slot this. This is quite a good slot this, is it?
Tim: What are doing? Thursday mornings. It's not a good slot for me because normally Amanda would be here on the Thursday working from
Giles: Okay.
Tim: home. So a better slot for me would be a Wednesday.
Giles: Classic. As long as you're alright. yeah, whatever.
Tim: Well, I could do it on a Saturdays day, but I wouldn't be, you know.
Giles: D you know what? I think we we we aim for Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday at nine thirty till eleven and we fit it in around because as long as it's when is it gonna get issued? How long you're gonna need to edit it? What when are you gonna want to send it out?
Tim: I thought
Giles: Thursday's the day.
Tim: that was I was about to say Thursday is the day to drop it, which means getting it onto the wires on Wednesday, close to play Wednesday UK time. So it gets picked up by the podcast distribution type people to
Giles: yeah.
Tim: do whatever they do, which is check it and then drop it onto the platform of choice. Now need to test this out. first time. The first. The first. Got to automate that. The first. What? What?
Giles: That's it that seems to be that's an easy job, isn't it? What do you do? I'm a I'm yeah, I I check it and then I'll put put it out. But I'll do that. I'll do that, I'll stop working and I'll do that. That's good.
Tim: What the recommendation is is to record three episodes, right?
Giles: Yeah. Yes.
Tim: And then drop. and then publish those three episodes initially so that you get
Giles: Okay.
Tim: through the first stage algorithmic kind of check which will take longer and then get into
Giles: Right.
Tim: your every Thursday or it will be available on a Thursday. aim is to get it available on a Thursday. So means getting it finally uploaded on Wednesday. So really that's another reason for Tuesday, Wednesday, which I was getting to when you were talking about Thursday as being the time. So Tuesday, Wednesday recording,
Giles: Okay.
Tim: which is fine.
Giles: It probably is. We'll find the time to I mean, even if it's right eight AM, let's get jump on and do it now. Yeah.
Tim: let's just jump on and do it. And then if we can get a bank of three episodes done, Published,
Giles: Well, I
Tim: sorry, not get three episodes done, published two, and then you've got an episode in the bank every time.
Giles: Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. The cadence, yeah, right. No. Structure.
Tim: Okay, so that's the consistency thing. the cadence and consistency. Structure, thoughts.
Giles: is that what we're gonna start with, thoughts? you want me to think right, okay.
Tim: me find. Thoughts. Well, the classic structure, mean, the classic, like free bean salad.
Giles: Are we gonna do anything original here? Are we just following it go on, come on.
Tim: Well, I don't know, the classic structure begins with, well, the free bean
Giles: Free bean salad, did you say?
Tim: salad, the chatterbicks, the kind of, what, has anything happened to you? What are we gonna talk about?
Giles: What we're gonna talk about?
Tim: What's happened to you this week? Anything happened to you? but I Right, here we
Giles: Which I think I think is
Tim: go. Episode running order suggestion. That's
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: the other thing. I try and have a consistent, in the early days, you need a consistent opener, putting the proposition of the podcast out, so people understand what they're listening to. Then segment one, let's have a calendar check.
Giles: Well most most of this most of this most of the sorry to interrupt, most of these things that I hear start with Hey, hey Tim, how are you doing? Yeah, I'm
Tim: Yeah.
Giles: good. Nobody says thanks for asking. It's I'm
Tim: you
Giles: good. I'm good. what we're gonna talk to today? Well, we're sponsored by Octopus Energy. At Octopus Energy, once
Tim: energy.
Giles: upon a time the Red Sea parted and Moses and the chaps went across. Very much the way, you know, crossing over to the other side is a lot what our octopus customers find that they do when they cross over from empower or eon to octopus they find what amounts to the promised land. What?
Tim: What?
Giles: And then what we're gonna talk about today. Right, okay. Sorry. Carry on.
Tim: I'm Well, I don't think if we get to that, if we get
Giles: But not sponsored by anybody yet. So yeah.
Tim: to, know, Sargo wanting to sponsor us, well, you know.
Giles: Harry's gardening services sponsored
Tim: Well, we could use it, why not? If you want
Giles: There we
Tim: any for all your gardening needs in the West Cheshire Wimbledon Basin area, please code. So this
Giles: Well, the SK nine postcode, specifically Wilmslow. Yep.
Tim: is a few suggestions from the Gemini, Opener, calendar check, a quick bit of banter, structured. segment looking back at the past week what did you do? Did you
Giles: ooh, right.
Tim: do anything productive or did you spend four hours reorganizing the shed or taking the dog for a walk? It grounds the show in real world shift from a busy work schedule to complete personal freedom and opens up the opportunity to talk about stuff that's happened to you in the past week.
Giles: That's good. I like that. Yeah. Calendar check. Yeah, I've got a calendar. we'll see what's on it. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Tim: Brilliant. Then it's suggesting try and have a theme for the episode. For example,
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: how do you stop talking about your old company at social events, managing finances.
Giles: well, yeah.
Tim: Right, main topic. Ben, your thing
Giles: It's
Tim: about what you're gonna try new for the week, next week, what's your new thing you're trying?
Giles: Yeah. What's what's the
Tim: How's the new thing going? I think what we need is like four topics. We might not get through all of them, but trying to keep a structure would be good. Now, the other thing.
Giles: I and but I think to be honest mate, I think the calendar check what have we done in the week and what we're trying new is enough.
Tim: is probably enough. do we want to have, no, the only other thing I was thinking about is do we want to have, we talk about sport a lot, right? Do
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: we want to have a little kind of sports desk, of this week's sports desk with Giles and Tim or any recommendations a la Ress's Entertainment? For next week, you got any recommendations? Well, I, well,
Giles: Yes, we could do that. They could do that for next week. Yeah, yeah,
Tim: One recommendation
Giles: yeah.
Tim: is not watching Manchester United vs. da da da da da. My recommendation
Giles: Yes.
Tim: is get yourself down to Plough Lane. I don't know. That could be the jumping off to sport bounce but...
Giles: It could be. It could be. Yeah, I think we've got to Got gotta keep it on message a bit though. It's a little bit we
Tim: I agree.
Giles: could get we could get we did watch that last night before we know it we're 20 minutes in. I know we can ed that's edit, it's not like it's a live a live show, but there is a little bit of a what it isn't as well as what it is. But I think I like the because as part of As part of the what do we do now?
Tim: We've got to a bit.
Giles: You could g you could well you could you could you know quite realistically be going to match after match after match after match after match. That's what one of the things you are doing now is on the road a bit more, seeing Wimbledon play as a thing. Sure how exciting that is for the listener, but
Tim: I'm gonna pay.
Giles: or indeed other Wimbledon fans. But Okay. I'm okay with that. He does, yeah.
Tim: But that jumps off into one of the things I get annoyed about in my old age is football fans of lower league clubs still being treated as if they're from some Italian ultra. A load of 50 year old blokes traipsing from the station to the witherspoons being escorted by 14 police officers. The biggest thing.
Giles: There's quite a bit. I saw the clip. I didn't I think I'd I sent you that clip on that was on X of might have been Jeff Norcott that posted it. There's some scrapping outside the Cherry Reds when the Yeah, yeah.
Tim: Yeah, yeah, yeah, was there, Jeff Northcott, he's in that Wimbledon game, yeah.
Giles: Yeah. No, it's a that is interesting because
Tim: Yep, that's it.
Giles: So in by the end of the month I'll have been to three gigs. Three three really different gigs. Really different gigs. Two of which I'll be on my own. And there's an interesting conversation for a minute or two, probably. You know, that kind of experience. not least the experience of being at going to see live music again, of which this year I'll probably see more live music than I have in a long, long time.
Tim: I can hear you drumming your fingers.
Giles: I was just tapping out the tune in my head to remind myself who I'm going to see at the end of the month.
Tim: Bring you, how far is your microwave from your mouth?
Giles: But my wave.
Tim: Your microwave, microwave. Get it really close, yeah. Get it really, we're not doing video. I've decided we're not gonna do video.
Giles: Whatever.
Tim: No. That's better.
Giles: Is that better?
Tim: That's absolutely sublime, superb.
Giles: Is it really? Well, I thought I
Tim: Yeah.
Giles: thought I'd have it there 'cause it this is looks a bit like it's
Tim: You're recording a podcast.
Giles: Probably. Or it's a really bad version of two thousand and one. And the monolith appears. And the music plays. And and the eight
Tim: It's a really small monolith.
Giles: and the eight well, yeah, I tell you it was a bad version. It's a bit like f Spinal Tap, where he gives him the wrong dimensions for Stonehenge, and they end up bringing it on stage and it's a foot and
Tim: Spinal tap two, the revenge.
Giles: a foot and a half tall. No, this was the original. He writes it down
Tim: I will be original.
Giles: on a napkin. We want the men here's to be one foot six and he was thought it was sixteen meters or something. Anyway. And was that better? I thought that'd be w right, okay.
Tim: That's much better. That's good. That's good stuff.
Giles: Well, that's mess that's messed up the whole pod of then.
Tim: No, no, it's all about the shakedown. It's all about the shakedown. It's all about the shakedown. Yeah. I'm taking, I'm the project. I'm, my job.
Giles: Don't know what we mean, but that hang on, isn't that what you used to do in US cop shows? And used to go the local rap scallion on the corner to go and shake him down for some for some names.
Tim: I'm going to be acting podcast producer so I've taken the executive decision that we are not going to do video. I think we're just going to do audio.
Giles: Fine. That's probably helps with the economics, the background, the light on the the light on the windscreen, all of that.
Tim: It's just all of that. Right, actually, I'll tell you what, if by
Giles: Okay.
Tim: some, in the unlikely event that this podcast gets any sort of traction and we get, it won't,
Giles: Well it won't. No.
Tim: and if we ever get someone approaching us for sponsorship, then we'll reconsider the video thing, right? But until that point.
Giles: sort of have to you've got to be the the face of the podcast. Got a great face for radio.
Tim: We have got great faces for radio, boom. All right.
Giles: Call that. Call that call it so that's good calendar. What what what what so what happened then?
Tim: So what happened then?
Giles: Then last week, yeah. Sorry, I've got sort of WhatsApp pop up. Devin Townsend burped a lot.
Tim: Really?
Giles: Because he's he's he has got the most extraordinary voice. That the his his range is recognized outside of his oeuvre as being something quite extraordinary from the highest high pitched scream to a soprano down to baritone. It's extraordinary the range. And he can go from screaming at the top of his lungs down to a down to a down to to natural singing in the space of half a nanosecond, it is extraordinary to hear. I mean, it
Tim: It's extraordinary.
Giles: it is extraordinary to hear. And at 50 odd, he was told about 30 years ago, you carry on singing like this, your voice will be gone by the time you're 40. Because he sings like that, he takes in a lot somehow he takes in a lot of air. So his live
Tim: Right. Right.
Giles: performances, quite amusingly, are often peppered with the odd belch
Tim: I'm
Giles: And for those of those approaching retirement who find gas emitting from bodies sometimes quite amusing, it was it was a reason enough to be at the gig for just that purpose. Anyway, anyway, that's a slight segue sideways.
Tim: Right, right, right.
Giles: I think that's I think that's good, mate, for 40 minutes, and if there's a
Tim: Well, we're just coming up to, well, you can see the time, can't you? We're just coming up to 38 minutes. I tell you
Giles: Mm-hmm.
Tim: what we need a section for in the podcast.
Giles: Time checks.
Tim: No, me to go for a wee.
Giles: You can't go more than forty minutes.
Tim: Well, I need to, we need some way of...
Giles: But that's fine. So what are we gonna do now then? If if we've got the
Tim: Let me go for a wee and then I'll discuss it. Hang on.
Giles: what do we do now? You all right, he's gone.
Tim: Okay, just edit the next one minute out AI. Back in the room. Back in the room. can start, we can start. We can start now. We can stop. Right, so next.
Giles: It's not stopping now.
Tim: So you start stopping, stopping, we're starting. So I think we need to be right this, we are writing this down, but I think we've got a structure, we've got a name.
Giles: Yeah, what do we do now?
Tim: I think by the time we got to the end of three episodes, we'll have a better understanding of the structure to be fair.
Giles: I we've not gone OTT on the structure, mate. I think even I can remember exactly what we've agreed. Look back at the calendar, what we're doing next, and sports desk. Stroke stroke gig
Tim: Sports desk. Any recommendations for the week? Watch that first episode of war with Dominic West and
Giles: Off of Dominic West.
Tim: of Sienna Miller this week.
Giles: We're gonna t we're gonna wait. We're gonna wait for a couple to
Tim: Yes, I would highly recommend waiting for a couple. It became very annoying that they were dripping them out. It's annoying as hell because obviously there's a massive cliffhanger at the end that you want to find out what happens next. Yeah,
Giles: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tim: but Dominic, all I will say is you'll, Dominic West is very much having it. There's a lot, absolutely. There's a couple of...
Giles: Is he f is he playing the character from the nationwide advert? Not far off.
Tim: Not far off. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's not, there's also a couple of the, in his legal team, you'll know who they are. I don't know the names of any of these actoring people, there's
Giles: Isn't Celia Rimmery in
Tim: Celia Inbry, superb. Absolutely superb.
Giles: Yeah. Well
Tim: But there's a couple of other similar, I recognise her from such and such, I recognise him. And they're properly leaning into. Miles Jupps in it.
Giles: See
Tim: He's properly leaning into Magic Circle Lawyer in London.
Giles: Okay.
Tim: Yeah, it's good stuff. Sorry, it is good stuff. London
Giles: I believe so, yeah.
Tim: looks absolutely wonderful in it. There's Taylors.
Giles: Well they've done quite a job there then, 'cause it doesn't normally. Nick Mohammed.
Tim: Nick Mohamed just appears right at the end of the first episode. Nick Mohamed in it. But it's just, it's sumptuous looking from many dimensions.
Giles: Brilliant. Yes, it is definitely on on the list. Very much on.
Tim: Is it high up on the list? Is it high up on the list?
Giles: I think it is. I think we've we'd kind of settled ourselves in the fact that Slow Horses is on the drip again as well. So we this it's really good. It's it's on bat top form. Excuse me. what else? Well, the guy that brought us you won't know Haunting of Hill House, Haunted of Blind Manor, Midnight Mass, chap called Mike Flanagan, who also directed Doctor Sleep, which is the sequel to The Shining, off of the Stephen King story book, has dramatised for Prime Video Carrie. The nineteen seventy six film Sissy Space Egg. Yeah.
Tim: it's not, is it not Stephen King's first book, Carrie?
Giles: It is.
Tim: Yes.
Giles: Yeah. Seventy six, seventy five, seventy six. That was when the film came out. Brian famously Brian
Tim: I think I've heard about this.
Giles: De Palmer. So that that's how I was trying to get B interested in watching East of Eden, the Netflix version of
Tim: I've heard good things about that.
Giles: where it's Florence Pew and she's rarely less than brilliant in anything she's in. but I don't think B's overly keen on watching a version of Steinbeck novel. But anyway.
Tim: So what are you gonna do with yourselves in Church Stratton or wherever it is in Trotshire?
Giles: Church Tratton. Well, it's in a beautiful part of Shropshire. It it buffers up against it's sort of really close to mid Wales, to Powers. So there's some some lovely hills. It's like a little market a markety town. like Ludlow, but not quite as Ludlowy. And Ludlow's renowned at having It's full of art.
Tim: Right, right, right, right, right, right. I've been till I'd low.
Giles: Artisan stuff. It's got a fabulous castle, artisan stuff. It's nice. It's a nice little part of the world.
Tim: Big, big weight. I think it's got big weight throws as well.
Giles: Church Straight hasn't, but it's got a cook in the middle of the co op. So we're gonna get some stuff from there. But it no, it's just it it's it it sort f for Ernie, but it's somewhere different. Just three of us
Tim: So that's certainly something to do.
Giles: to go somewhere. Harry give Harry a bit of a break.
Tim: Give Harry a bit of a break.
Giles: Yes. From Ernie. He takes him out every morning. Every morning. And we j I was just drafting something last night for to go out on Facebook Facebook Messenger. Facebook publisher? Facebook something or other. This is the day where you post if you've got if you're offering your services for stuff. It's Wednesday that gets posted at Wilmslow Community, apparently. Anyway. So No, it's not we didn't get a chance to do it last night. So it's gonna go out next week. So he's got enough to be getting on with. Anyway, so we go Sunday. We we will be on the road or in Church Streeton by the time Liverpool and City kick off, which will be an interesting thing this weekend.
Tim: Yes.
Giles: and yeah, I say we've got three three training sessions Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and then we'll come home.
Tim: Good. Did you see the England 7-0 goal, seven goals? I was, I was, I was running.
Giles: I did, I was s I was on and I was sort of thinking, I'm I'm I'm not really that bothered. blaming that was G I would have scored. Bloody hell this is gonna score again here. Croatia are awful. Just awful.
Tim: So, Amanda was away last weekend with some of the Teddington crew girls, had a weekend away in Chichester and the... stay-at-home dads plus a couple more went round to one of the dad's house he's got the external barbecue and he'd bought a suckling pig flown in from Spain frozen it was frozen
Giles: Gracious.
Tim: in Spain thrown in come if that's how it came in anyway he spent all day Saturday it took two days to defrost he spent all day Saturday
Giles: Okay.
Tim: whatever it is, basting it, whatever, then he's got a big, he's got an outdoor barbecue with all the bits and all the rest of it and he'd been on the spit for four and a half hours and we sat outside with the... It was quite pleasant that we had the heaters on and the football was on in the background, but we were all talking, chatting. He did
Giles: Rubbish. Yeah.
Tim: five wines from around the world. We had tasted the wines and had to say where they were from and how much they were. And there was a little sort of quiz around it. And like 10
Giles: Excellent.
Tim: minutes in, I'm like, England threw a 2-0 up here. And
Giles: Yes.
Tim: then I watched, I did see it over the, but then I thought, I've got to watch the highlights here. What's gone on here? Croatia were really bad.
Giles: Yeah, they were terrible. They couldn't they that it it it was a a complete the c most complete performance from England from England. it it
Tim: Since they beat France, sixth ball win.
Giles: pr yeah yeah that third place rubbish. Yeah, they just never let them,
Tim: Yeah, but England were good. England played some good.
Giles: never let them stop. They did wouldn't they harried them, they pressed them, they pressed at the right time, all the time it seemed. Passing was really quick.
Tim: Alex Scott looked good in that game.
Giles: Yeah, he did. Look really good. But, you know, the the twenty four year old Alex got up against the seventy-five year old Luca Modric, who
Tim: Yeah.
Giles: really looked his age and was hooked at half time. You know,
Tim: Yeah.
Giles: Peresic on the wing. You know, these are really players at the the back end of it all. Anyway, yeah, they took their chances. It could have it could have been ten. Could have been twelve. They they had they were great. They were great. It's just all odd. The stadium's full of children.
Tim: Wasn't it something to do with them having to play it behind closed? Was there some sanction that they'd had to, because Croatia had had to, some something, again.
Giles: It was yeah carried over from somewhere from some racist racist abuse or something like that. Again, it's usually Serbia, but p anyway, same kind of place, isn't it? It's
Tim: It's basically Yugoslavia.
Giles: basically the same place. And yeah, they were they were brilliant. They were really good. Really good. I mean tell me so at the beginning of the second half I thought it's not gonna carry on this. I've Bloody hell they scored another three. It's not seven, is it? It's seven now. Christ. And then I saw it was on the Sunday game, Tuesday game, Monday game. Where did they play again? Tuesday.
Tim: Tuesday because Wimbledon were playing Barnet in the the Mike's Jersey FL trophy.
Giles: I was getting the bummer's cup. I was getting messages. What happened? Penalty cheaped out?
Tim: Penetrate shootout, got someone, we got Alistair Smith got sent off the 17th for
Giles: yeah.
Tim: stamp stamping. She did. But we had kids, had, we had in the second, by the time that was happening, we used all our substitutes by the 17th minute and we'd put on all the kids. Like, I mean, proper kids, the proper kids. You read leeches. Yeah. So it was all kids.
Giles: right. Is he not doing his G C S E's now?
Tim: I think you're, anyway, so, so, good on them. They had to defend against a relatively strong bar net team of men by the looks of it.
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: And then, yeah, and interestingly in the penalty shootout, which I did not watch, I just saw the stats, everyone scored their first five penalties. Both teams scored the first five penalties, so it went to.
Giles: Yes. When it's sudden death.
Tim: sudden death. We lost on penalties. So we're bottom of the group. I don't think we'll be progressing in the Mike's jerseys.
Giles: Incredible.
Tim: Yeah, there's a Southern regional, didn't seem to count, yeah.
Giles: God, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That sounds terrible.
Tim: So, but anyway, well it's bit like the Nations Leagues shit. I don't know how that works, but free to the
Giles: Yes, top top two go through at the quarter finals.
Tim: core finals and that's a tournament, mini tournament, it? Isn't it?
Giles: Cowan, then? Isn't it?
Tim: Is it knockout, but is it like they play it over the space of two weeks? Like they have the quarters, semis and final in
Giles: Semis in the final.
Tim: a two week. Is that how they do it? I think so. I
Giles: That's what the next international break is, is it? Okay.
Tim: mean, I'm not gonna try and defend the Nations League, but well, you're gonna be getting this with
Giles: Well, I think I think there is.
Tim: your rugby, your autumn internationals is all of this test batch.
Giles: Yeah, look, the it's it's slightly different 'cause as as those that have certainly those that have played rugby would say there's no such thing as a friendly. at least there is some now some jeopardy rather than bragging rights. in the the autumn nations or the nations league global league whatever it's called. But the good thing is for the football that that th those friendlies don't exist anymore. There is usually they do play the odd friendly, don't they? Or warm up game here and there. But at least the Nations League's given some
Tim: Yeah, it does.
Giles: some level of competition. and it allows still allows players to get tried and given the withdrawals, injuries Would Alex Scott have got a Alex Scott? Adam Scott. Alex Scott.
Tim: Alex Scott.
Giles: Didn't she used to host Football Focus? What's she doing?
Tim: It still does.
Giles: Play it for England. No it doesn't. Football focus has finished.
Tim: is it? all right, PFF.
Giles: Having up its having up its mood. Yeah.
Tim: All right.
Giles: It went downhill when Bob Wilson moved. So you've got to go at eleven. Why have you got to go at eleven? You said it's something really important to tell me.
Tim: So I'm going over to see, so going over to see Amanda's, going over to Amanda's mother's, she's got people putting in new double glazing. She wants to, she's got a lunch that she really wants to go to, which then turns out she wants me also to give her a list down to y'all to go to the lunch and then keep an eye on the installers. She's going to have a bit of a drink. So I've said that I can do that. The car is back, picked up the car yesterday. I've got
Giles: Hold on.
Tim: a list of other, yeah, yeah, yeah, all good. I've got a list of
Giles: good.
Tim: other. I've got another list of things that I've got to do
Giles: That was a joy. Well done. And
Tim: Well done, I'm stopped for the recording now.
Tim: Why are we here? What are we doing?
Giles: Why what are what are we doing? Is it externalizing a little bit more? Externalizing a little bit more. Is it just just trying to work out what what what happens next? Because but
Tim: Yeah.
Giles: why but why? Why why is that? Is it because we've worked together for a long time? We've had a lot
Tim: Yes.
Giles: we've had a lot of fun.
Tim: Yes.
Giles: and naturally Mm for no real plan at all. This year's been a bit more fractured. We've not had anything where we've needed to be working, I suppose, to the same level of in not intensity, but l working to the same level. So what w what what's happened? You've been distracted by some really important stuff at home.
Tim: Yes.
Giles: I've been distracted by some important stuff here. It's
Tim: Yes.
Giles: meant we've not really we've done less we've done less work. We've done less work
Tim: Yes.
Giles: fundamentally and it's sort of meant Do you know what? I can I'm okay with that.
Tim: I'm definitely okay with that because the
Giles: I know you're definitely okay with that. I'm sort of okay.
Tim: work's only been fun because of you, not because of the work.
Giles: That's an interesting point, yes.
Tim: and I'm as twizz ever thus.
Giles: Yeah, I know. I know. I know. I never
Tim: Peace.
Giles: if if I had my time again kind of conversation would I have actually been doing this, but
Tim: So, and I think from a, know, put not too far and important, part of, the other motivation for doing work is obviously a money motivation. And
Giles: Yes.
Tim: you know, I've been in a position, and you know, been in a position, I'm lucky enough to be in a position, but also. been in a position where that's not been a big driver for a good couple of years if not more and I think
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: the differences particularly with what's gone on in the last 12 months is Amanda's got closer to that position and gone
Giles: As well.
Tim: yeah shit
Giles: Yeah, yeah.
Tim: right when you look at it and write it all down
Giles: Mm.
Tim: what which then prompts for me which then prompts
Giles: Slightly different for Amanda, 'cause doesn't she enjoy doing what she's doing?
Tim: She does, but she enjoys the... I wouldn't say she enjoys the work, but she enjoys the people, she enjoys the social
Giles: Yes.
Tim: aspect of it, she enjoys the
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: logistics of it, the structure of it, and those sorts of things. She's going to an office every day. She's actually physically in an office. She enjoys working for the organisation she works for. She enjoys lots of elements to it. And it's her space, it's her thing to do. Yeah, but she's
Giles: It's her and it's her space. She's not at home and she's away from you and all of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tim: moved her working pattern so she gets two full days off a week to start to kind of... you know, there's a few kind of administrative things that she needs time and space to do that she doesn't wanna do at a weekend and it's opening up space to kind of do not other things as well. So I'm using the word retirement, but yeah, I'm using that,
Giles: yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Tim: but what I don't know is what that actually means. And one
Giles: is what that actually means. There you go.
Tim: of the things we've often talked about, I still want to continue to have, know, be talking to you on a regular basis. we've all,
Giles: Yes.
Tim: and even, and most of the time we're not talking about work anyway.
Giles: Well, most of the tal time we're talking about stuff, then there's a bit of work that's mentioned and and I go off and do that. And then you come in at at the at the end to go,
Tim: do it and then I'm like, yeah, and take,
Giles: Yeah, that looks brilliant.
Tim: that looks brilliant. So I. So I think this, I, so which moves us on to kind of contemplating our navel about doing a podcast. obviously
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: one of the things I do do is walk the dog a lot and listen to podcasts a lot.
Giles: Yes.
Tim: I'd like to build some structure into my pre-retirement. And when I say retirement, I think there's a couple of phases to that. There's the phase of like Grace going to university basically. There's a travel
Giles: Yes.
Tim: phase and then there's a kind of less phase. But I want to try and build some structure into this first phase of retirement. And there's a
Giles: Very good.
Tim: few things that I think the podcast could be part of that structure. I think...
Giles: It could. It could.
Tim: I there
Giles: It could.
Tim: are lots of people in our situation actually
Giles: Yes.
Tim: who are a bit lost about what they should do with being retired or thinking about it or haven't done it but thinking about it and don't know what to think about. Some people who've been for better or for worse, have been forced into it. Some people who've kind of worked, hated what they've been doing, but have got to a point where they've got enough that means they don't have to go in the office and they're quite happy to, you know, they've done the numbers, they've done the sums.
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: There's a whole group, you know, I wouldn't encourage you to do this, but you might want to, but you know, my algorithm on YouTube is full of, you know, YouTubers. in late 50s
Giles: Right.
Tim: YouTubers talking, some of them talking about early retirement, what they do with their days and start YouTube channels.
Giles: That's interesting. It's oddly enough, my algorithm is loads of people of of my age talking about prog. But but but you know, we'd listen to different different f folks for different strokes or whatever the thing is.
Tim: But different thing, different stuff, yes. you can, know, there are some silver influencers who are in this space. There's a big, big chunk of kind of financial advice. But there's a big chunk
Giles: That's not a thing. That's not a thing. A silver influence.
Tim: of... There's a big chunk of content which is about the finances of it. The financial services, IFA
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: type kind of community of have you got enough to retire? How much do you need to retire for this? How much money do you need to do? There's a big lot of that. And some of those kind of talking heads
Giles: Yeah, yeah.
Tim: also talk about, some of the better ones also talk about, and I'm sure you've heard this, you can't decide what you need in retirement until you decide what you're gonna do in your retirement.
Giles: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Tim: So my thinking correct me if I'm wrong but my thinking was that this would the jumping off point would and the anchor for the podcast would be what would be would be that what what how are we navigating
Giles: Yes.
Tim: not working or working less in your terms, me not working, what is that like, what are we doing? Hopefully, other people might enjoy the sense of humour and all the rest of it and then we can go off into a,
Giles: Unlikely.
Tim: unlikely, then we can go off into a, and then just use that as the anchor in an episode. And that's why
Giles: Well in the same in the
Tim: I think the title needs to needs to reference that. I think we talked about, I'll go back to what you said on your WhatsApp.
Giles: Well there were lots there were lots of it yeah, well I mean you get the idea, I like I do like, but it doesn't work in this context really, I don't I don't
Tim: I don't think it does.
Giles: think. Sadly. Think it's also I mean I don't it's not not about being discriminatory in any way or we we we can only really see it through our eyes, through our lens, but it's you know, it's legitimate that people might find it interesting from d there there are some that might say I might I I I might have to retire or I'm going to retire or I'm forced to retire whatever those things are but
Tim: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Giles: but I still need to keep my hand in. I still need to be you know I'm still open to to earning a bit of cash doing bits and bobs here and there doing some whatever that might be whatever that
Tim: Yeah.
Giles: B 'cause I n but well, other than that bit and I don't know what that is, and I don't know how that would look, and I don't know whether that applies to us. I don't know whether if I said right that I am gonna stop now, what what what that extra thing would be to earn if I needed to. But anyway, let's see. We were talking about what the
Tim: No, I don't think it is though. I don't think it is. I don't think that,
Giles: I don't think it was as well.
Tim: I don't think today... this is probably an interesting subject to kind of expand on, what does retirement, retirement very different for us, gonna be very different for us than it was for our parents and certainly for our grandparents. don't think
Giles: Yes. Yeah. Yep.
Tim: it's a, because we're likely to be younger than they were when they retired,
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: partly because, know, touch wood will be, the chances are we'll be in better health. And I think retirement for the Gen,
Giles: You speak for yourself, mate. Yeah, yeah.
Tim: what are we, Gen X? I think we are. Anyway, for our cohort,
Giles: I don't know. I d I don't I I have no idea. Yeah.
Tim: our generation, I don't think it is necessarily, I'll never do paid work again of any
Giles: No.
Tim: sort, but I think it's possibly I won't. I think it means these different people. Maybe we can expand on that.
Giles: Yeah, it does. And and that's what that the that that's what the journey that we'll go down will do.
Tim: I think it is, and I think it's also our experience. You do all the work anyway, what about structure? I'll tell you what I've gleaned from watching how to make a podcast videos on YouTube and reading shit off of.
Giles: go on. Go on.
Tim: and using my faithful assistant, Gemini.
Giles: Lesser him
Tim: Bless her.
Giles: it.
Tim: It is a her. We've got it as a her. Yeah. Gemini, right, the top title they're suggesting or she's suggesting is What Now? Captures the premise
Giles: Mm.
Tim: well. However, it is heavily used across Spotify and Apple podcasts. So what do we do now is more specific and might be an easier from a search algorithmic term.
Giles: What do we do now?
Tim: So
Giles: What do we do next? So yeah, okay. It was a bit
Tim: What do we do now? What do we do next? What do we do now? What do we do now? What do we do? What do we do now is available. What do we do now is the suggestion.
Giles: What do we do now? What do we do? What do we what does what do yeah. Okay.
Tim: What do we do now? And then, you know, there needs to be some, a podcast about type kind of description. Right, so we, you,
Giles: Well I think I did I d I was quite pleased with what I wrote on my description but I I know you didn't read it.
Tim: Yes, I did, but I'd read it ages ago and I can't remember it.
Giles: I can't find it now. I think I sent it to you, didn't I?
Tim: You did? Was it on an email?
Giles: I think it was. should I send it squad squadrate? Squadrate
Tim: Mm.
Giles: tree.
Tim: Here we go. Thoughts. Here we go. Tim and Giles, two vulnerable later middle-aged types, share thoughts about winding down work, retirement, and what to do next after nearly 40 years of work. 40 years?
Giles: Well I d well what am I fifty eight now? I first job you were at uni. I my job was
Tim: OU, University of Life. Okay.
Giles: no actually probably not. Nearly forty. I'd say it's thirty eight in a bit. Let's round it up for big for you know, for for for effects.
Tim: Nearly, okay. Nearly 40 years of work and being fortunate enough to finally close down the emails and log off the laptop. What are the options and opportunities for the next chapter? Having a plan is after battle. Or is it? Hear the real, real time thoughts of two men who are finding out what it means to finally call it a day at work and face exactly that indefinable thing. The podcast will probably explore everything from family life, what do 40 years of work actually mean, lifestyle choices, getting interested in new things and failing to take up hobbies, which almost certainly doesn't include golf. Listeners will get a live inside view of what and how you deal with life without proper work. So if you're even more, even remotely in the same place or have been through the journey yourself or your partner, or your partner has... has is about to embark here how Tim and Joel find out the answers hardly expert analogist or some real honest chat. I think that's that's good but do we do we also want to kind of go we're going to talk a bit about that but we're going to talk a bit with bollocks anyway.
Giles: Totally. Yeah, totally. I think Yeah, I sort of followed the Rest is entertainment description.
Tim: All right, okay, docked it in, yeah.
Giles: in principle and dropped it in. So it it sort of I would I would yeah, put the and the bit of bollocks. I mean again, you know
Tim: I'll a bit of a play around with that. Right, so golden
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: rules apparently are 40 minutes. We have to edit it down to 40 minutes, right? Which typically means recording for an hour and then using Mirificide
Giles: Yes, I'm happy with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Tim: to try and...
Giles: Yeah. That's fine. Last last podcast I did with Andrew Daly still hasn't been published because it was an hour and ten. And he he listened back to it and said, Yeah, we both rambled on a bit there, didn't we? I think I need to should we try and do it again? And we've never rearranged it. So yeah, I'm all over forty minutes.
Tim: Well, we can edit this Riverside stuff allows us to edit it all down. So me, I'll edit it all down and the AI. Right, the next thing
Giles: W when you say we Yes. yeah. But the time you did work.
Tim: is the structure. Having
Giles: Yes.
Tim: a repeatable structure at the very least.
Giles: Yes. First thought is we both do it. There's something repeatable. We're both on it. That's the first thing.
Tim: Yes.
Giles: Well, second
Tim: on the same day roughly.
Giles: at the same time would help as well.
Tim: Yes.
Giles: I Well, are we to let's c just get into cadence conversation first. Is this is this it's it's definitely not quarterly, probably not monthly, it should probably be weekly. Is it we should be weekly?
Tim: it should, the recommendation is to do it weekly. But that's.
Giles: It's a good slot this. This is quite a good slot this, is it?
Tim: What are doing? Thursday mornings. It's not a good slot for me because normally Amanda would be here on the Thursday working from
Giles: Okay.
Tim: home. So a better slot for me would be a Wednesday.
Giles: Classic. As long as you're alright. yeah, whatever.
Tim: Well, I could do it on a Saturdays day, but I wouldn't be, you know.
Giles: D you know what? I think we we we aim for Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday at nine thirty till eleven and we fit it in around because as long as it's when is it gonna get issued? How long you're gonna need to edit it? What when are you gonna want to send it out?
Tim: I thought
Giles: Thursday's the day.
Tim: that was I was about to say Thursday is the day to drop it, which means getting it onto the wires on Wednesday, close to play Wednesday UK time. So it gets picked up by the podcast distribution type people to
Giles: yeah.
Tim: do whatever they do, which is check it and then drop it onto the platform of choice. Now need to test this out. first time. The first. The first. Got to automate that. The first. What? What?
Giles: That's it that seems to be that's an easy job, isn't it? What do you do? I'm a I'm yeah, I I check it and then I'll put put it out. But I'll do that. I'll do that, I'll stop working and I'll do that. That's good.
Tim: What the recommendation is is to record three episodes, right?
Giles: Yeah. Yes.
Tim: And then drop. and then publish those three episodes initially so that you get
Giles: Okay.
Tim: through the first stage algorithmic kind of check which will take longer and then get into
Giles: Right.
Tim: your every Thursday or it will be available on a Thursday. aim is to get it available on a Thursday. So means getting it finally uploaded on Wednesday. So really that's another reason for Tuesday, Wednesday, which I was getting to when you were talking about Thursday as being the time. So Tuesday, Wednesday recording,
Giles: Okay.
Tim: which is fine.
Giles: It probably is. We'll find the time to I mean, even if it's right eight AM, let's get jump on and do it now. Yeah.
Tim: let's just jump on and do it. And then if we can get a bank of three episodes done, Published,
Giles: Well, I
Tim: sorry, not get three episodes done, published two, and then you've got an episode in the bank every time.
Giles: Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. The cadence, yeah, right. No. Structure.
Tim: Okay, so that's the consistency thing. the cadence and consistency. Structure, thoughts.
Giles: is that what we're gonna start with, thoughts? you want me to think right, okay.
Tim: me find. Thoughts. Well, the classic structure, mean, the classic, like free bean salad.
Giles: Are we gonna do anything original here? Are we just following it go on, come on.
Tim: Well, I don't know, the classic structure begins with, well, the free bean
Giles: Free bean salad, did you say?
Tim: salad, the chatterbicks, the kind of, what, has anything happened to you? What are we gonna talk about?
Giles: What we're gonna talk about?
Tim: What's happened to you this week? Anything happened to you? but I Right, here we
Giles: Which I think I think is
Tim: go. Episode running order suggestion. That's
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: the other thing. I try and have a consistent, in the early days, you need a consistent opener, putting the proposition of the podcast out, so people understand what they're listening to. Then segment one, let's have a calendar check.
Giles: Well most most of this most of this most of the sorry to interrupt, most of these things that I hear start with Hey, hey Tim, how are you doing? Yeah, I'm
Tim: Yeah.
Giles: good. Nobody says thanks for asking. It's I'm
Tim: you
Giles: good. I'm good. what we're gonna talk to today? Well, we're sponsored by Octopus Energy. At Octopus Energy, once
Tim: energy.
Giles: upon a time the Red Sea parted and Moses and the chaps went across. Very much the way, you know, crossing over to the other side is a lot what our octopus customers find that they do when they cross over from empower or eon to octopus they find what amounts to the promised land. What?
Tim: What?
Giles: And then what we're gonna talk about today. Right, okay. Sorry. Carry on.
Tim: I'm Well, I don't think if we get to that, if we get
Giles: But not sponsored by anybody yet. So yeah.
Tim: to, know, Sargo wanting to sponsor us, well, you know.
Giles: Harry's gardening services sponsored
Tim: Well, we could use it, why not? If you want
Giles: There we
Tim: any for all your gardening needs in the West Cheshire Wimbledon Basin area, please code. So this
Giles: Well, the SK nine postcode, specifically Wilmslow. Yep.
Tim: is a few suggestions from the Gemini, Opener, calendar check, a quick bit of banter, structured. segment looking back at the past week what did you do? Did you
Giles: ooh, right.
Tim: do anything productive or did you spend four hours reorganizing the shed or taking the dog for a walk? It grounds the show in real world shift from a busy work schedule to complete personal freedom and opens up the opportunity to talk about stuff that's happened to you in the past week.
Giles: That's good. I like that. Yeah. Calendar check. Yeah, I've got a calendar. we'll see what's on it. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Tim: Brilliant. Then it's suggesting try and have a theme for the episode. For example,
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: how do you stop talking about your old company at social events, managing finances.
Giles: well, yeah.
Tim: Right, main topic. Ben, your thing
Giles: It's
Tim: about what you're gonna try new for the week, next week, what's your new thing you're trying?
Giles: Yeah. What's what's the
Tim: How's the new thing going? I think what we need is like four topics. We might not get through all of them, but trying to keep a structure would be good. Now, the other thing.
Giles: I and but I think to be honest mate, I think the calendar check what have we done in the week and what we're trying new is enough.
Tim: is probably enough. do we want to have, no, the only other thing I was thinking about is do we want to have, we talk about sport a lot, right? Do
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: we want to have a little kind of sports desk, of this week's sports desk with Giles and Tim or any recommendations a la Ress's Entertainment? For next week, you got any recommendations? Well, I, well,
Giles: Yes, we could do that. They could do that for next week. Yeah, yeah,
Tim: One recommendation
Giles: yeah.
Tim: is not watching Manchester United vs. da da da da da. My recommendation
Giles: Yes.
Tim: is get yourself down to Plough Lane. I don't know. That could be the jumping off to sport bounce but...
Giles: It could be. It could be. Yeah, I think we've got to Got gotta keep it on message a bit though. It's a little bit we
Tim: I agree.
Giles: could get we could get we did watch that last night before we know it we're 20 minutes in. I know we can ed that's edit, it's not like it's a live a live show, but there is a little bit of a what it isn't as well as what it is. But I think I like the because as part of As part of the what do we do now?
Tim: We've got to a bit.
Giles: You could g you could well you could you could you know quite realistically be going to match after match after match after match after match. That's what one of the things you are doing now is on the road a bit more, seeing Wimbledon play as a thing. Sure how exciting that is for the listener, but
Tim: I'm gonna pay.
Giles: or indeed other Wimbledon fans. But Okay. I'm okay with that. He does, yeah.
Tim: But that jumps off into one of the things I get annoyed about in my old age is football fans of lower league clubs still being treated as if they're from some Italian ultra. A load of 50 year old blokes traipsing from the station to the witherspoons being escorted by 14 police officers. The biggest thing.
Giles: There's quite a bit. I saw the clip. I didn't I think I'd I sent you that clip on that was on X of might have been Jeff Norcott that posted it. There's some scrapping outside the Cherry Reds when the Yeah, yeah.
Tim: Yeah, yeah, yeah, was there, Jeff Northcott, he's in that Wimbledon game, yeah.
Giles: Yeah. No, it's a that is interesting because
Tim: Yep, that's it.
Giles: So in by the end of the month I'll have been to three gigs. Three three really different gigs. Really different gigs. Two of which I'll be on my own. And there's an interesting conversation for a minute or two, probably. You know, that kind of experience. not least the experience of being at going to see live music again, of which this year I'll probably see more live music than I have in a long, long time.
Tim: I can hear you drumming your fingers.
Giles: I was just tapping out the tune in my head to remind myself who I'm going to see at the end of the month.
Tim: Bring you, how far is your microwave from your mouth?
Giles: But my wave.
Tim: Your microwave, microwave. Get it really close, yeah. Get it really, we're not doing video. I've decided we're not gonna do video.
Giles: Whatever.
Tim: No. That's better.
Giles: Is that better?
Tim: That's absolutely sublime, superb.
Giles: Is it really? Well, I thought I
Tim: Yeah.
Giles: thought I'd have it there 'cause it this is looks a bit like it's
Tim: You're recording a podcast.
Giles: Probably. Or it's a really bad version of two thousand and one. And the monolith appears. And the music plays. And and the eight
Tim: It's a really small monolith.
Giles: and the eight well, yeah, I tell you it was a bad version. It's a bit like f Spinal Tap, where he gives him the wrong dimensions for Stonehenge, and they end up bringing it on stage and it's a foot and
Tim: Spinal tap two, the revenge.
Giles: a foot and a half tall. No, this was the original. He writes it down
Tim: I will be original.
Giles: on a napkin. We want the men here's to be one foot six and he was thought it was sixteen meters or something. Anyway. And was that better? I thought that'd be w right, okay.
Tim: That's much better. That's good. That's good stuff.
Giles: Well, that's mess that's messed up the whole pod of then.
Tim: No, no, it's all about the shakedown. It's all about the shakedown. It's all about the shakedown. Yeah. I'm taking, I'm the project. I'm, my job.
Giles: Don't know what we mean, but that hang on, isn't that what you used to do in US cop shows? And used to go the local rap scallion on the corner to go and shake him down for some for some names.
Tim: I'm going to be acting podcast producer so I've taken the executive decision that we are not going to do video. I think we're just going to do audio.
Giles: Fine. That's probably helps with the economics, the background, the light on the the light on the windscreen, all of that.
Tim: It's just all of that. Right, actually, I'll tell you what, if by
Giles: Okay.
Tim: some, in the unlikely event that this podcast gets any sort of traction and we get, it won't,
Giles: Well it won't. No.
Tim: and if we ever get someone approaching us for sponsorship, then we'll reconsider the video thing, right? But until that point.
Giles: sort of have to you've got to be the the face of the podcast. Got a great face for radio.
Tim: We have got great faces for radio, boom. All right.
Giles: Call that. Call that call it so that's good calendar. What what what what so what happened then?
Tim: So what happened then?
Giles: Then last week, yeah. Sorry, I've got sort of WhatsApp pop up. Devin Townsend burped a lot.
Tim: Really?
Giles: Because he's he's he has got the most extraordinary voice. That the his his range is recognized outside of his oeuvre as being something quite extraordinary from the highest high pitched scream to a soprano down to baritone. It's extraordinary the range. And he can go from screaming at the top of his lungs down to a down to a down to to natural singing in the space of half a nanosecond, it is extraordinary to hear. I mean, it
Tim: It's extraordinary.
Giles: it is extraordinary to hear. And at 50 odd, he was told about 30 years ago, you carry on singing like this, your voice will be gone by the time you're 40. Because he sings like that, he takes in a lot somehow he takes in a lot of air. So his live
Tim: Right. Right.
Giles: performances, quite amusingly, are often peppered with the odd belch
Tim: I'm
Giles: And for those of those approaching retirement who find gas emitting from bodies sometimes quite amusing, it was it was a reason enough to be at the gig for just that purpose. Anyway, anyway, that's a slight segue sideways.
Tim: Right, right, right.
Giles: I think that's I think that's good, mate, for 40 minutes, and if there's a
Tim: Well, we're just coming up to, well, you can see the time, can't you? We're just coming up to 38 minutes. I tell you
Giles: Mm-hmm.
Tim: what we need a section for in the podcast.
Giles: Time checks.
Tim: No, me to go for a wee.
Giles: You can't go more than forty minutes.
Tim: Well, I need to, we need some way of...
Giles: But that's fine. So what are we gonna do now then? If if we've got the
Tim: Let me go for a wee and then I'll discuss it. Hang on.
Giles: what do we do now? You all right, he's gone.
Tim: Okay, just edit the next one minute out AI. Back in the room. Back in the room. can start, we can start. We can start now. We can stop. Right, so next.
Giles: It's not stopping now.
Tim: So you start stopping, stopping, we're starting. So I think we need to be right this, we are writing this down, but I think we've got a structure, we've got a name.
Giles: Yeah, what do we do now?
Tim: I think by the time we got to the end of three episodes, we'll have a better understanding of the structure to be fair.
Giles: I we've not gone OTT on the structure, mate. I think even I can remember exactly what we've agreed. Look back at the calendar, what we're doing next, and sports desk. Stroke stroke gig
Tim: Sports desk. Any recommendations for the week? Watch that first episode of war with Dominic West and
Giles: Off of Dominic West.
Tim: of Sienna Miller this week.
Giles: We're gonna t we're gonna wait. We're gonna wait for a couple to
Tim: Yes, I would highly recommend waiting for a couple. It became very annoying that they were dripping them out. It's annoying as hell because obviously there's a massive cliffhanger at the end that you want to find out what happens next. Yeah,
Giles: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tim: but Dominic, all I will say is you'll, Dominic West is very much having it. There's a lot, absolutely. There's a couple of...
Giles: Is he f is he playing the character from the nationwide advert? Not far off.
Tim: Not far off. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's not, there's also a couple of the, in his legal team, you'll know who they are. I don't know the names of any of these actoring people, there's
Giles: Isn't Celia Rimmery in
Tim: Celia Inbry, superb. Absolutely superb.
Giles: Yeah. Well
Tim: But there's a couple of other similar, I recognise her from such and such, I recognise him. And they're properly leaning into. Miles Jupps in it.
Giles: See
Tim: He's properly leaning into Magic Circle Lawyer in London.
Giles: Okay.
Tim: Yeah, it's good stuff. Sorry, it is good stuff. London
Giles: I believe so, yeah.
Tim: looks absolutely wonderful in it. There's Taylors.
Giles: Well they've done quite a job there then, 'cause it doesn't normally. Nick Mohammed.
Tim: Nick Mohamed just appears right at the end of the first episode. Nick Mohamed in it. But it's just, it's sumptuous looking from many dimensions.
Giles: Brilliant. Yes, it is definitely on on the list. Very much on.
Tim: Is it high up on the list? Is it high up on the list?
Giles: I think it is. I think we've we'd kind of settled ourselves in the fact that Slow Horses is on the drip again as well. So we this it's really good. It's it's on bat top form. Excuse me. what else? Well, the guy that brought us you won't know Haunting of Hill House, Haunted of Blind Manor, Midnight Mass, chap called Mike Flanagan, who also directed Doctor Sleep, which is the sequel to The Shining, off of the Stephen King story book, has dramatised for Prime Video Carrie. The nineteen seventy six film Sissy Space Egg. Yeah.
Tim: it's not, is it not Stephen King's first book, Carrie?
Giles: It is.
Tim: Yes.
Giles: Yeah. Seventy six, seventy five, seventy six. That was when the film came out. Brian famously Brian
Tim: I think I've heard about this.
Giles: De Palmer. So that that's how I was trying to get B interested in watching East of Eden, the Netflix version of
Tim: I've heard good things about that.
Giles: where it's Florence Pew and she's rarely less than brilliant in anything she's in. but I don't think B's overly keen on watching a version of Steinbeck novel. But anyway.
Tim: So what are you gonna do with yourselves in Church Stratton or wherever it is in Trotshire?
Giles: Church Tratton. Well, it's in a beautiful part of Shropshire. It it buffers up against it's sort of really close to mid Wales, to Powers. So there's some some lovely hills. It's like a little market a markety town. like Ludlow, but not quite as Ludlowy. And Ludlow's renowned at having It's full of art.
Tim: Right, right, right, right, right, right. I've been till I'd low.
Giles: Artisan stuff. It's got a fabulous castle, artisan stuff. It's nice. It's a nice little part of the world.
Tim: Big, big weight. I think it's got big weight throws as well.
Giles: Church Straight hasn't, but it's got a cook in the middle of the co op. So we're gonna get some stuff from there. But it no, it's just it it's it it sort f for Ernie, but it's somewhere different. Just three of us
Tim: So that's certainly something to do.
Giles: to go somewhere. Harry give Harry a bit of a break.
Tim: Give Harry a bit of a break.
Giles: Yes. From Ernie. He takes him out every morning. Every morning. And we j I was just drafting something last night for to go out on Facebook Facebook Messenger. Facebook publisher? Facebook something or other. This is the day where you post if you've got if you're offering your services for stuff. It's Wednesday that gets posted at Wilmslow Community, apparently. Anyway. So No, it's not we didn't get a chance to do it last night. So it's gonna go out next week. So he's got enough to be getting on with. Anyway, so we go Sunday. We we will be on the road or in Church Streeton by the time Liverpool and City kick off, which will be an interesting thing this weekend.
Tim: Yes.
Giles: and yeah, I say we've got three three training sessions Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and then we'll come home.
Tim: Good. Did you see the England 7-0 goal, seven goals? I was, I was, I was running.
Giles: I did, I was s I was on and I was sort of thinking, I'm I'm I'm not really that bothered. blaming that was G I would have scored. Bloody hell this is gonna score again here. Croatia are awful. Just awful.
Tim: So, Amanda was away last weekend with some of the Teddington crew girls, had a weekend away in Chichester and the... stay-at-home dads plus a couple more went round to one of the dad's house he's got the external barbecue and he'd bought a suckling pig flown in from Spain frozen it was frozen
Giles: Gracious.
Tim: in Spain thrown in come if that's how it came in anyway he spent all day Saturday it took two days to defrost he spent all day Saturday
Giles: Okay.
Tim: whatever it is, basting it, whatever, then he's got a big, he's got an outdoor barbecue with all the bits and all the rest of it and he'd been on the spit for four and a half hours and we sat outside with the... It was quite pleasant that we had the heaters on and the football was on in the background, but we were all talking, chatting. He did
Giles: Rubbish. Yeah.
Tim: five wines from around the world. We had tasted the wines and had to say where they were from and how much they were. And there was a little sort of quiz around it. And like 10
Giles: Excellent.
Tim: minutes in, I'm like, England threw a 2-0 up here. And
Giles: Yes.
Tim: then I watched, I did see it over the, but then I thought, I've got to watch the highlights here. What's gone on here? Croatia were really bad.
Giles: Yeah, they were terrible. They couldn't they that it it it was a a complete the c most complete performance from England from England. it it
Tim: Since they beat France, sixth ball win.
Giles: pr yeah yeah that third place rubbish. Yeah, they just never let them,
Tim: Yeah, but England were good. England played some good.
Giles: never let them stop. They did wouldn't they harried them, they pressed them, they pressed at the right time, all the time it seemed. Passing was really quick.
Tim: Alex Scott looked good in that game.
Giles: Yeah, he did. Look really good. But, you know, the the twenty four year old Alex got up against the seventy-five year old Luca Modric, who
Tim: Yeah.
Giles: really looked his age and was hooked at half time. You know,
Tim: Yeah.
Giles: Peresic on the wing. You know, these are really players at the the back end of it all. Anyway, yeah, they took their chances. It could have it could have been ten. Could have been twelve. They they had they were great. They were great. It's just all odd. The stadium's full of children.
Tim: Wasn't it something to do with them having to play it behind closed? Was there some sanction that they'd had to, because Croatia had had to, some something, again.
Giles: It was yeah carried over from somewhere from some racist racist abuse or something like that. Again, it's usually Serbia, but p anyway, same kind of place, isn't it? It's
Tim: It's basically Yugoslavia.
Giles: basically the same place. And yeah, they were they were brilliant. They were really good. Really good. I mean tell me so at the beginning of the second half I thought it's not gonna carry on this. I've Bloody hell they scored another three. It's not seven, is it? It's seven now. Christ. And then I saw it was on the Sunday game, Tuesday game, Monday game. Where did they play again? Tuesday.
Tim: Tuesday because Wimbledon were playing Barnet in the the Mike's Jersey FL trophy.
Giles: I was getting the bummer's cup. I was getting messages. What happened? Penalty cheaped out?
Tim: Penetrate shootout, got someone, we got Alistair Smith got sent off the 17th for
Giles: yeah.
Tim: stamp stamping. She did. But we had kids, had, we had in the second, by the time that was happening, we used all our substitutes by the 17th minute and we'd put on all the kids. Like, I mean, proper kids, the proper kids. You read leeches. Yeah. So it was all kids.
Giles: right. Is he not doing his G C S E's now?
Tim: I think you're, anyway, so, so, good on them. They had to defend against a relatively strong bar net team of men by the looks of it.
Giles: Yeah.
Tim: And then, yeah, and interestingly in the penalty shootout, which I did not watch, I just saw the stats, everyone scored their first five penalties. Both teams scored the first five penalties, so it went to.
Giles: Yes. When it's sudden death.
Tim: sudden death. We lost on penalties. So we're bottom of the group. I don't think we'll be progressing in the Mike's jerseys.
Giles: Incredible.
Tim: Yeah, there's a Southern regional, didn't seem to count, yeah.
Giles: God, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That sounds terrible.
Tim: So, but anyway, well it's bit like the Nations Leagues shit. I don't know how that works, but free to the
Giles: Yes, top top two go through at the quarter finals.
Tim: core finals and that's a tournament, mini tournament, it? Isn't it?
Giles: Cowan, then? Isn't it?
Tim: Is it knockout, but is it like they play it over the space of two weeks? Like they have the quarters, semis and final in
Giles: Semis in the final.
Tim: a two week. Is that how they do it? I think so. I
Giles: That's what the next international break is, is it? Okay.
Tim: mean, I'm not gonna try and defend the Nations League, but well, you're gonna be getting this with
Giles: Well, I think I think there is.
Tim: your rugby, your autumn internationals is all of this test batch.
Giles: Yeah, look, the it's it's slightly different 'cause as as those that have certainly those that have played rugby would say there's no such thing as a friendly. at least there is some now some jeopardy rather than bragging rights. in the the autumn nations or the nations league global league whatever it's called. But the good thing is for the football that that th those friendlies don't exist anymore. There is usually they do play the odd friendly, don't they? Or warm up game here and there. But at least the Nations League's given some
Tim: Yeah, it does.
Giles: some level of competition. and it allows still allows players to get tried and given the withdrawals, injuries Would Alex Scott have got a Alex Scott? Adam Scott. Alex Scott.
Tim: Alex Scott.
Giles: Didn't she used to host Football Focus? What's she doing?
Tim: It still does.
Giles: Play it for England. No it doesn't. Football focus has finished.
Tim: is it? all right, PFF.
Giles: Having up its having up its mood. Yeah.
Tim: All right.
Giles: It went downhill when Bob Wilson moved. So you've got to go at eleven. Why have you got to go at eleven? You said it's something really important to tell me.
Tim: So I'm going over to see, so going over to see Amanda's, going over to Amanda's mother's, she's got people putting in new double glazing. She wants to, she's got a lunch that she really wants to go to, which then turns out she wants me also to give her a list down to y'all to go to the lunch and then keep an eye on the installers. She's going to have a bit of a drink. So I've said that I can do that. The car is back, picked up the car yesterday. I've got
Giles: Hold on.
Tim: a list of other, yeah, yeah, yeah, all good. I've got a list of
Giles: good.
Tim: other. I've got another list of things that I've got to do
Giles: That was a joy. Well done. And
Tim: Well done, I'm stopped for the recording now.
