Kyle Carpenter - Controlled Chaos

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Wes:
Pressure reveals people.
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Some freeze, some rush.
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Some learn how to slow
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everything down when it matters
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the most.
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Today's guest lives in a space
where decisions matter.
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Mistakes compound and calm is
not optional.
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Kyle Carpenter is a U.S.
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Air Force veteran and an air
traffic controller.
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This episode is about controlled
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chaos and what it takes to
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manage it.
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Wes:
Kyle, I appreciate you being
here.
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Kyle:
Yeah, buddy.
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Kyle:
Thanks for having me.
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Kyle:
Pretty awesome when you asked me
to come on here and you said
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Kyle:
that you thought of me.
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Kyle:
I was like, yeah, absolutely.
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Kyle:
I absolutely do it.
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Kyle:
It's just like I thought it was
kind of weird because I wouldn't
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Kyle:
expect to be somebody to look at
what I do and how I live and be
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Kyle:
like, all right, yeah, I want to
talk to this guy.
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Wes:
Yeah, I think it's something
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that a lot of people don't think
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about.
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I mean, you go into an airport
and it's you just get on your
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plane and go where you're at,
and then you think about the
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logistics, and I've thought
about trying to get somewhere
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Wes:
and how much it is.
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And it's confusing, you know,
and I, I thought about all the
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Wes:
planes coming in and out and
it's a confusing job.
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Wes:
As a matter of fact, something I
didn't know is, uh, how your job
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is actually retires early, so
you get to retire early.
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Wes:
Your job, how you feel about
that?
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Kyle:
It's pretty awesome.
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Kyle:
I'm perfectly okay with that.
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Kyle:
I have no desire to work till
I'm too old, man, I, I just I
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Kyle:
want to be able to enjoy being
able to do whatever I want,
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Kyle:
whenever I want.
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Kyle:
And thankfully, I stumbled into
this job.
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Kyle:
Do I have that opportunity?
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Kyle:
I mean, it's there for a reason.
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Kyle:
We have to retire early,
typically because of mental
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decline and stuff like that.
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Kyle:
Uh, but it's pretty good.
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Kyle:
It's good.
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Kyle:
You can also get waivers to, to
stay in like a lot of the
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Kyle:
retired Air Force veterans that
like, actually did their twenty
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Kyle:
years in service.
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Kyle:
Uh, they can get a waiver to
where they do twenty years of
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Kyle:
federal service to ensure that
they get all of the retirement
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Kyle:
benefits when they do that.
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Kyle:
But, uh, for me and just about
everybody else, it's fifty six
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Kyle:
and that's it.
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Wes:
So where did you grow up?
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Wes:
Tell me about childhood.
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Kyle:
Yeah, I grew up in Thornville,
Ohio area.
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Kyle:
It's over by Buckeye Lake.
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Kyle:
I've got a bunch of siblings, a
lot of family.
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Kyle:
I've got, uh, three blood
siblings.
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Kyle:
I've got four step siblings, and
I got two half siblings.
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Kyle:
So I've.
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Kyle:
I'm like, kind of right smack
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Kyle:
dab in the middle of all of
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Kyle:
them.
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Kyle:
Yeah.
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Wes:
But so you get to be the rowdy
one, always getting tested.
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Wes:
And, uh.
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Kyle:
I was always the one watching
everybody else and what they
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Kyle:
were doing to get caught and the
mistakes they were making and
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Kyle:
how not to get caught.
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Kyle:
Uh, but, uh, I just my life is
busy, man.
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Kyle:
I've got you see it when we come
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Kyle:
up here and we come to visit and
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Kyle:
stuff.
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Kyle:
It's like everything's got a
schedule.
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Kyle:
So I did.
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Kyle:
Busy schedule, busy family.
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Kyle:
I played sports my entire life.
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Kyle:
I still played sports into my
adult life.
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Kyle:
Kind of dumb.
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Kyle:
I always thought I liked it, I
like competition.
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Kyle:
I like to do something that's
tough.
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Kyle:
Uh, but even to the detriment of
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Kyle:
my own body, I've had a couple
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Kyle:
surgeries done.
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Kyle:
It just is what it is.
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Kyle:
But, uh.
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Kyle:
Yeah, sports is my thing.
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Kyle:
I love coaching my son with
sports.
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Kyle:
I like that aspect of it.
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Kyle:
Um, my mom and my dad, they've
been split since I was a kid,
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Kyle:
but their personalities are what
kind of, like, taught me and
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Kyle:
gave me the idea of how I wanted
to be when I got older.
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Kyle:
My dad has worked his ass off
since the beginning.
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Kyle:
He's always.
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Kyle:
He always had to work.
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Kyle:
And as a kid, I used to think I
was like, man, that sucks.
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Kyle:
He's not going to be at my game
or he's not going to be here.
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Kyle:
But he was working to make sure
that I had a better life.
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Kyle:
Do all the things I wanted to do
and As a kid.
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Kyle:
It's like, man, they're not
showing up.
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Kyle:
But then when you get older and
you realize all the work that
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puts into it.
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Kyle:
So he he taught me discipline
and just show up.
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Kyle:
You have to show up.
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Kyle:
Uh, and then even, uh, as a kid,
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Kyle:
like, as I kind of like I
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Kyle:
dropped out of college and I,
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Kyle:
uh, went and worked in the
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Kyle:
factory with him, and that
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Kyle:
showed me what I did not want to
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Kyle:
do.
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Kyle:
And he kept he kept preaching it
over and over again.
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Kyle:
I was like, that's good money,
dad.
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Kyle:
Like, I can do this, whatever.
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Kyle:
But I went and I did it, and I
was like, nope, I'm out.
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Kyle:
I went to the recruiter's office
right after that.
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Kyle:
Uh, but then my mom also taught
me, like.
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Kyle:
If I wanted to get where I
wanted to go, I had to make
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Kyle:
sure, make it happen.
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Kyle:
She's a very intelligent woman.
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Kyle:
She doesn't take shit from
nobody.
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Kyle:
Uh, I don't necessarily have
that characteristic from her,
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Kyle:
but I do my best about it.
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Kyle:
Uh, I guess some people at work
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Kyle:
might disagree with that, but,
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Kyle:
uh.
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Kyle:
Yeah, she taught me.
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Kyle:
If I want something, I'm gonna
go get it.
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Kyle:
You need to.
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Kyle:
You need to work for it, too.
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Kyle:
They both discipline people.
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Kyle:
They both taught me how to be
disciplined.
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Kyle:
And that's the only way I can
make sure I had a better life.
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Kyle:
But, yeah.
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Kyle:
Yeah.
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Kyle:
Living.
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Kyle:
You know, and then I.
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Wes:
I grew up in a small town as
well.
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Wes:
I think my high school was about
eighty five.
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Wes:
I what how many people was it
your high school.
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Kyle:
Probably about a hundred and
something I.
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Wes:
Think so similar.
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Wes:
Everybody knows everybody type
of deal.
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Kyle:
Everybody grew up together from
the beginning to the end.
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Wes:
For me, and it was important to
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Wes:
getting away from my hometown to
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Wes:
see a lot of other cultures and
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Wes:
different, uh, people from other
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Wes:
places.
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Wes:
You know, I wouldn't have gotten
a small town.
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Kyle:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Kyle:
Um, mine was just I knew I was
going nowhere fast, so I went to
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Kyle:
the recruiter's office, like, I
got to get out of here.
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Kyle:
Yeah.
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Kyle:
And I even when I first did it
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Kyle:
all, I actually went in, and I
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Kyle:
wanted to be, uh, anything in
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Kyle:
the medical career field,
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Kyle:
anything medical related,
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Kyle:
because I thought, you know what
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Kyle:
that is?
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Kyle:
The if it doesn't work out in
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Kyle:
the military and I don't like
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Kyle:
it, and I don't want to keep
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Kyle:
doing this, at least I'll have
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Kyle:
some training or some experience
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Kyle:
that when I get out, I'll be
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Kyle:
able to find a job pretty
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Kyle:
quickly.
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Kyle:
I wouldn't be wasting several
years to then have to go back to
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Kyle:
school or something.
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Wes:
So it wasn't always air traffic
controller.
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Wes:
This was, uh.
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Kyle:
Nope.
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Wes:
Wow.
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Kyle:
I was in the, uh, delayed
enlistment program for a while.
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Kyle:
I was actually going to try to
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Kyle:
do special forces, but then I'll
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Kyle:
be completely honest with you, I
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Kyle:
just.
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Kyle:
There's no way I could have
probably done it.
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Kyle:
And maybe I probably could have,
but my swimming wasn't where it
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Kyle:
should have been.
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Kyle:
I passed the test, and then it
just kind of like.
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Wes:
You more than got the athletic
ability to just be a matter if
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Wes:
you want to or not.
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Kyle:
Yeah, yeah.
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Kyle:
And I just didn't know if that's
what the life I wanted and life
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Kyle:
I just didn't know for sure.
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Kyle:
I was still just confused.
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Kyle:
And I went with all medical.
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Wes:
And then I think about any kid
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Wes:
our age once it has the Navy
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Wes:
Seal.
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Kyle:
Oh, yeah.
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Kyle:
You want to be a you want to be
a badass.
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Kyle:
You want to go and do stuff like
that?
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Kyle:
I don't know.
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Kyle:
You don't.
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Kyle:
You just don't have that kind of
mentality.
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Kyle:
Uh, we like to call it in air
traffic, at least from the
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Kyle:
enlisted side when I was in.
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Kyle:
We we used to have the alpha
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Kyle:
mentality like, you want to be
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Kyle:
the alpha.
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Kyle:
Everybody wants to be the alpha.
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Kyle:
It causes a lot of confrontation
and stuff like that.
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Kyle:
But in my opinion, to be a great
controller, you've got to have
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Kyle:
gotta have that dog in you.
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Kyle:
It's my buddy.
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Kyle:
Vince would say.
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Wes:
Absolutely.
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Wes:
You got to be decisiveness
there.
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Wes:
Can't you have to be the one
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Wes:
that gets up and makes the
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Wes:
decision?
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Wes:
I think people don't realize how
being indecisive is.
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Wes:
Uh, is a problem in its own, you
know what I mean?
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Wes:
You got to be ready to, uh, at
that time.
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Kyle:
Yeah. My, uh, my my recruiter,
uh, he called me just one random
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Kyle:
day, I think I was in the MEPs
program or enlistment program
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Kyle:
for, like, two months, and I was
staying at my grandma's house at
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Kyle:
the time, and he called me, and
he's like, hey, man, I've got an
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Kyle:
opening for air traffic control.
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Kyle:
You're the only one that's in
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Kyle:
right now that has the scores
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Kyle:
for it.
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Kyle:
Do you want to do it so well?
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Kyle:
How long do I have to decide?
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Kyle:
He's like, he's like, man, I
need to know.
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Kyle:
Pretty quickly.
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Kyle:
I was like, give me an hour.
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Kyle:
So I got off the phone with him.
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Kyle:
I got on my tablet and I just
started looking air traffic
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Kyle:
control and looking it up.
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Kyle:
And I very specific US Air Force
air traffic control stuff.
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Kyle:
They got the recruiting videos.
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Kyle:
So you watch the videos and
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Kyle:
stuff and they're like talking
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Kyle:
about phraseology.
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Kyle:
And it's like another language
like, oh, that kind of sucks.
00:08:04.259 --> 00:08:06.339
Kyle:
But I'm like, I kind of want to
figure it out.
00:08:06.339 --> 00:08:08.620
Kyle:
And I called my mom and I said,
00:08:08.620 --> 00:08:09.379
Kyle:
hey, do you know anything about
00:08:09.379 --> 00:08:10.180
Kyle:
air traffic?
00:08:10.019 --> 00:08:12.379
Wes:
This is the first time you even
heard of the job.
00:08:12.220 --> 00:08:15.060
Kyle:
Yeah. First time I even heard of
it was right before I left.
00:08:15.060 --> 00:08:16.100
Kyle:
Do you know anything about air
traffic?
00:08:16.100 --> 00:08:18.339
Kyle:
She's like, I heard it's pretty
stressful job.
00:08:18.339 --> 00:08:19.459
Kyle:
I was like, well, I kind of.
00:08:19.459 --> 00:08:20.459
Kyle:
I want something challenging.
00:08:20.459 --> 00:08:22.879
Kyle:
I don't want to go in and kind
00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:24.100
Kyle:
of waste my time and my
00:08:24.100 --> 00:08:24.500
Kyle:
enlistment.
00:08:24.500 --> 00:08:26.060
Kyle:
I want to do something hard.
00:08:26.060 --> 00:08:27.459
Kyle:
And she told my stepdad, told
00:08:27.459 --> 00:08:29.420
Kyle:
her he was there when she was
00:08:29.420 --> 00:08:30.259
Kyle:
talking to me, and he said,
00:08:30.259 --> 00:08:31.420
Kyle:
that's an excellent job when you
00:08:31.420 --> 00:08:31.779
Kyle:
get out.
00:08:31.779 --> 00:08:33.220
Kyle:
As far as financially.
00:08:33.220 --> 00:08:34.419
Kyle:
Oh hell yeah.
00:08:34.419 --> 00:08:35.220
Kyle:
Sweet.
00:08:35.220 --> 00:08:36.059
Kyle:
So then I called my dad.
00:08:36.059 --> 00:08:37.659
Kyle:
I was like, hey, what do you
know about air traffic control?
00:08:37.659 --> 00:08:38.259
Kyle:
He's like, I've heard it's
00:08:38.259 --> 00:08:39.379
Kyle:
stressful, but I heard it pays
00:08:39.379 --> 00:08:40.019
Kyle:
good.
00:08:40.019 --> 00:08:41.860
Kyle:
I was like, I can handle
stressful.
00:08:41.860 --> 00:08:43.620
Kyle:
So then I called him back right
then and there I was like, all
00:08:43.620 --> 00:08:44.539
Kyle:
right, hey, I'll take it.
00:08:44.539 --> 00:08:45.039
Kyle:
When do I leave?
00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:46.759
Kyle:
He's like you leave in a couple
of weeks.
00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:47.480
Kyle:
Deal.
00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:50.240
Kyle:
We need to get this show on the
road.
00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:50.799
Kyle:
So.
00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:53.559
Wes:
So you the responsibility.
00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:54.200
Wes:
Didn't really.
00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:57.320
Wes:
You didn't probably understand
all the responsibility, right?
00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:58.480
Kyle:
No. No idea.
00:08:58.320 --> 00:08:59.720
Wes:
When, uh.
00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:01.679
Wes:
When did it become, like, real?
00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:02.000
Wes:
Like.
00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:06.440
Wes:
Hey, this is a very responsible
thing I got myself into.
00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:08.600
Kyle:
Uh, it was, uh, it was actually
00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:10.740
Kyle:
in basic training, uh, because
00:09:10.740 --> 00:09:12.580
Kyle:
every, like, I think every day
00:09:12.580 --> 00:09:13.600
Kyle:
or every couple days or
00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:14.580
Kyle:
something, we would all meet in,
00:09:14.580 --> 00:09:15.399
Kyle:
like, the.
00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:18.840
Wes:
Okay, so you're getting started,
and then you went to boot camp?
00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:21.360
Kyle:
No, I went to boot camp first,
and then I went to tech school.
00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:24.340
Kyle:
But in boot camp, my MTI was
like, he was asking everybody,
00:09:24.340 --> 00:09:26.600
Kyle:
hey, would you come in with,
what's your job going to be.
00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:27.120
Wes:
Right before you?
00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:28.360
Wes:
Okay, okay, okay.
00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:29.440
Kyle:
And I was talking to him, and.
00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:31.019
Wes:
The timing for the school was
00:09:31.019 --> 00:09:32.720
Wes:
when you went started your
00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:33.440
Wes:
enlistment.
00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:34.679
Kyle:
Well, it was when he.
00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:39.080
Kyle:
The actual one hundred percent
full on enlisted guy.
00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:42.500
Kyle:
The first one I met outside of
my recruiters like, dang, dude,
00:09:42.500 --> 00:09:43.860
Kyle:
that's pretty hard.
00:09:43.860 --> 00:09:46.259
Kyle:
I like sweet, and he made it.
00:09:46.259 --> 00:09:48.019
Kyle:
He kind of stressed me out a
little bit.
00:09:48.019 --> 00:09:49.299
Kyle:
And then it didn't really kick
in.
00:09:49.299 --> 00:09:53.539
Kyle:
I got to tech school, which is
in Biloxi, and tech school is
00:09:53.539 --> 00:09:57.860
Kyle:
just basically it's just all it
is is like, dude, it's.
00:09:57.860 --> 00:10:00.980
Kyle:
Do you have the maybe, possibly,
00:10:00.980 --> 00:10:02.860
Kyle:
ah, potential to be an air
00:10:02.860 --> 00:10:03.460
Kyle:
traffic controller?
00:10:03.460 --> 00:10:04.820
Kyle:
That's all they teach you there.
00:10:04.820 --> 00:10:07.100
Kyle:
And it's like super dumbed down,
super basic.
00:10:07.100 --> 00:10:09.779
Kyle:
They scare you and say, you got
ambassador test, you gotta do
00:10:09.779 --> 00:10:10.659
Kyle:
this and all this.
00:10:10.659 --> 00:10:11.500
Kyle:
And they do a good job of
00:10:11.500 --> 00:10:12.539
Kyle:
making, you know, how stressful
00:10:12.539 --> 00:10:13.220
Kyle:
it is.
00:10:13.220 --> 00:10:15.100
Kyle:
But it didn't truly, truly kick
00:10:15.100 --> 00:10:18.720
Kyle:
in on how stressful it could be
00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:20.480
Kyle:
till like my second or third day
00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:22.100
Kyle:
at Columbus.
00:10:22.100 --> 00:10:23.379
Kyle:
And I actually got was in the
00:10:23.379 --> 00:10:25.100
Kyle:
IFR room listening and watching
00:10:25.100 --> 00:10:27.220
Kyle:
and seeing all the stuff going
00:10:27.220 --> 00:10:27.779
Kyle:
on.
00:10:27.779 --> 00:10:30.940
Kyle:
And in my ear is just, this is
chaos.
00:10:30.940 --> 00:10:32.620
Kyle:
But in reality, as you get
00:10:32.620 --> 00:10:33.759
Kyle:
older, as you progress through
00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:34.700
Kyle:
it, it's like, actually they
00:10:34.700 --> 00:10:35.539
Kyle:
have this whole thing under
00:10:35.539 --> 00:10:36.419
Kyle:
control.
00:10:36.419 --> 00:10:38.220
Kyle:
What was I thinking?
00:10:38.220 --> 00:10:40.899
Kyle:
But yeah, it didn't truly kick
how stressful it was until I was
00:10:40.899 --> 00:10:43.570
Kyle:
like the first week I was at
Columbus and actually watching
00:10:43.570 --> 00:10:44.529
Kyle:
the planes fly.
00:10:44.929 --> 00:10:46.129
Wes:
And you're seeing everything
00:10:46.129 --> 00:10:48.409
Wes:
going, all the tasks that needs
00:10:48.409 --> 00:10:48.649
Wes:
done.
00:10:48.649 --> 00:10:49.129
Wes:
Yeah.
00:10:49.570 --> 00:10:51.289
Kyle:
It's real people running around
the room.
00:10:51.289 --> 00:10:54.409
Kyle:
They're throwing strips back and
forth and throwing.
00:10:54.409 --> 00:10:55.690
Kyle:
Get in trouble for that from
work.
00:10:55.529 --> 00:10:59.250
Wes:
But so what I mean, I just kind
of curious.
00:10:59.250 --> 00:11:00.450
Wes:
I've always wondered what the
00:11:00.450 --> 00:11:01.970
Wes:
jobs really like, you know what
00:11:01.970 --> 00:11:02.289
Wes:
I mean?
00:11:02.289 --> 00:11:06.649
Wes:
There's, uh, there's just so
many ins and outs of that job.
00:11:06.649 --> 00:11:09.029
Wes:
What, uh, what's a typical ship
00:11:09.029 --> 00:11:11.129
Wes:
shift versus, uh, like, a bad
00:11:11.129 --> 00:11:11.490
Wes:
day?
00:11:11.490 --> 00:11:12.490
Wes:
You know, like.
00:11:12.330 --> 00:11:16.529
Kyle:
Uh, so me working for newly
00:11:16.529 --> 00:11:18.490
Kyle:
renamed back to the Department
00:11:18.490 --> 00:11:19.529
Kyle:
of War.
00:11:19.529 --> 00:11:22.929
Kyle:
Uh, I work eight hours a day.
00:11:22.929 --> 00:11:23.450
Kyle:
It's just.
00:11:23.450 --> 00:11:26.409
Kyle:
And I work Monday through Friday
because I work in the majcom.
00:11:26.409 --> 00:11:27.529
Kyle:
That is aeTc.
00:11:27.529 --> 00:11:30.169
Kyle:
So it's like limited flying
hours.
00:11:30.169 --> 00:11:34.129
Kyle:
Uh, there's no weekend flying or
anything like that.
00:11:34.129 --> 00:11:35.730
Kyle:
So it's it's just Monday through
Friday.
00:11:35.730 --> 00:11:40.230
Kyle:
And then based on where Manning
is, I work seven to three.
00:11:40.230 --> 00:11:41.909
Kyle:
Uh, before, though, when I was
00:11:41.909 --> 00:11:44.070
Kyle:
enlisted and everybody, for the
00:11:44.070 --> 00:11:45.149
Kyle:
longest time, you'd work a day
00:11:45.149 --> 00:11:46.789
Kyle:
shift one week, and you'd go
00:11:46.789 --> 00:11:47.990
Kyle:
into a swing shift the next
00:11:47.990 --> 00:11:49.549
Kyle:
week, and every week it would
00:11:49.549 --> 00:11:49.990
Kyle:
rotate.
00:11:49.990 --> 00:11:54.230
Kyle:
And if you worked that day
shift, uh, you would work that
00:11:54.230 --> 00:11:57.330
Kyle:
Sunday coming up because, uh,
the planes that go do cross
00:11:57.330 --> 00:12:00.190
Kyle:
countries on Fridays, and we
have to open up Sunday to bring
00:12:00.190 --> 00:12:02.789
Kyle:
them back, but there's no
Saturday flying, I guess, uh,
00:12:02.789 --> 00:12:04.470
Kyle:
there's no Saturday flying.
00:12:04.470 --> 00:12:06.750
Kyle:
So if you work the days and you
work that Sunday or whatever,
00:12:06.750 --> 00:12:08.549
Kyle:
and then off you went.
00:12:08.549 --> 00:12:13.350
Kyle:
And yeah, a lot of my friends
that work for the FAA, their
00:12:13.350 --> 00:12:15.590
Kyle:
schedules suck the FAA.
00:12:15.429 --> 00:12:18.549
Wes:
I was going to say, it seems
like you work a lot of hours and
00:12:18.549 --> 00:12:20.269
Wes:
it changes quite often.
00:12:20.269 --> 00:12:22.110
Wes:
It's not like one set schedule.
00:12:21.909 --> 00:12:25.129
Kyle:
So yeah, there's there's hours
that you have like there there
00:12:25.129 --> 00:12:26.470
Kyle:
are rules based off.
00:12:26.470 --> 00:12:27.629
Kyle:
They can't overwork.
00:12:27.629 --> 00:12:30.710
Kyle:
Basically there's so many rules
to like your week.
00:12:30.710 --> 00:12:34.309
Kyle:
Uh, you can only work so much
overtime.
00:12:34.309 --> 00:12:36.009
Kyle:
As far as the Department of War
00:12:36.009 --> 00:12:37.710
Kyle:
side of it goes is you work, you
00:12:37.710 --> 00:12:39.409
Kyle:
can work ten hour a day, a ten
00:12:39.409 --> 00:12:40.330
Kyle:
hour a day doing air traffic
00:12:40.330 --> 00:12:41.809
Kyle:
control.
00:12:41.809 --> 00:12:43.470
Kyle:
And the military side is they
00:12:43.470 --> 00:12:44.409
Kyle:
but they can't work anything
00:12:44.409 --> 00:12:45.669
Kyle:
over a twelve hour day,
00:12:45.669 --> 00:12:47.129
Kyle:
regardless of ten hours of air
00:12:47.129 --> 00:12:48.210
Kyle:
traffic control.
00:12:48.210 --> 00:12:51.289
Kyle:
You get two extra hours to do
whatever, like admin work or.
00:12:51.129 --> 00:12:51.769
Wes:
Okay.
00:12:51.690 --> 00:12:53.090
Kyle:
SEO and doing other stuff.
00:12:52.889 --> 00:12:56.250
Wes:
Like specified what kind of
tasks you're performing is how
00:12:56.250 --> 00:12:58.490
Wes:
many hours you can perform them.
00:12:58.330 --> 00:12:58.809
Kyle:
And then.
00:12:58.649 --> 00:12:59.250
Wes:
They.
00:12:59.049 --> 00:12:59.610
Kyle:
Come.
00:12:59.409 --> 00:13:01.690
Wes:
Back driving and other stuff.
00:13:01.529 --> 00:13:03.769
Kyle:
You can't come back to work till
eight hours after that.
00:13:03.769 --> 00:13:05.190
Kyle:
If you do something, if you work
00:13:05.190 --> 00:13:06.850
Kyle:
that long, there's all kinds of
00:13:06.850 --> 00:13:07.409
Kyle:
restrictions.
00:13:07.409 --> 00:13:09.490
Kyle:
There's like there's no alcohol.
00:13:09.490 --> 00:13:13.070
Kyle:
Uh, I think the military's
twelve hours before shift, um,
00:13:13.070 --> 00:13:18.049
Kyle:
mine, DoD or whatever, or being
an employee is just eight hours.
00:13:18.049 --> 00:13:19.129
Kyle:
Not that big a deal, but they
00:13:19.129 --> 00:13:20.330
Kyle:
they make all these rules to
00:13:20.330 --> 00:13:22.309
Kyle:
make sure that you are ready to
00:13:22.309 --> 00:13:22.769
Kyle:
go.
00:13:22.610 --> 00:13:22.889
Wes:
Right.
00:13:22.889 --> 00:13:24.330
Wes:
And you're not in mind.
00:13:24.289 --> 00:13:26.690
Kyle:
But the FAA is they're all a lot
00:13:26.690 --> 00:13:27.990
Kyle:
of their stuff happens based off
00:13:27.990 --> 00:13:29.289
Kyle:
union based.
00:13:29.289 --> 00:13:33.330
Kyle:
And so then like the rules just
recently changed that.
00:13:33.330 --> 00:13:36.509
Kyle:
Like it was like it looked like
it was making it better for the
00:13:36.509 --> 00:13:38.710
Kyle:
controllers, but actually kind
of made it worse.
00:13:38.710 --> 00:13:40.750
Kyle:
All my friends work six days a
week.
00:13:40.750 --> 00:13:44.309
Kyle:
They're always working like the
worst possible schedule.
00:13:44.309 --> 00:13:47.029
Kyle:
And I don't say always, but it's
always there.
00:13:47.029 --> 00:13:49.389
Kyle:
When I first tell them, hey, I'm
thinking about going to FAA
00:13:49.389 --> 00:13:50.830
Kyle:
like, don't, dude, don't.
00:13:50.830 --> 00:13:51.269
Kyle:
You're scared.
00:13:51.269 --> 00:13:53.269
Kyle:
Your schedule sucks.
00:13:53.269 --> 00:13:55.629
Kyle:
I was like, all right, well, I
guess I'll stay here and keep my
00:13:55.629 --> 00:13:57.070
Kyle:
normal Monday through Friday.
00:13:57.070 --> 00:14:00.789
Kyle:
They work Saturday mornings,
Sunday nights, and one of my
00:14:00.789 --> 00:14:03.429
Kyle:
buddies would park at the FFA.
00:14:03.269 --> 00:14:05.029
Wes:
Don't mean to jump in here.
00:14:05.029 --> 00:14:07.190
Wes:
Is that the commercial?
00:14:07.190 --> 00:14:08.830
Wes:
Uh, civilian?
00:14:08.830 --> 00:14:09.190
Wes:
Yeah.
00:14:09.190 --> 00:14:11.110
Wes:
Like version of what you do?
00:14:10.950 --> 00:14:14.029
Kyle:
Yeah, it's the Federal Aviation
Administration, and that's the
00:14:14.029 --> 00:14:15.389
Kyle:
civilian sector of it.
00:14:15.389 --> 00:14:16.470
Kyle:
Okay, still got the Department
00:14:16.470 --> 00:14:17.870
Kyle:
of Transportation is involved
00:14:17.870 --> 00:14:18.750
Kyle:
with it and everything like
00:14:18.750 --> 00:14:20.549
Kyle:
that, but it's it's the civilian
00:14:20.549 --> 00:14:20.870
Kyle:
sector.
00:14:20.870 --> 00:14:26.529
Kyle:
I work at a a, uh, Columbus Air
Force base, so I'm mostly I'm
00:14:26.529 --> 00:14:30.830
Kyle:
ninety percent military aircraft
that I work on on a day to day.
00:14:31.029 --> 00:14:35.370
Wes:
Okay. Now, how many aircraft you
have to like at one at one time.
00:14:35.370 --> 00:14:38.929
Wes:
How many, how many different
multitasking do you.
00:14:39.049 --> 00:14:42.669
Kyle:
So it just depends on the room
gets split down and set up
00:14:42.669 --> 00:14:45.370
Kyle:
certain ways based off the
volume of traffic.
00:14:45.370 --> 00:14:48.850
Kyle:
Um, back in the day, I say back
00:14:48.850 --> 00:14:50.289
Kyle:
in the day like it is not that
00:14:50.289 --> 00:14:51.330
Kyle:
long ago, probably like six
00:14:51.330 --> 00:14:52.409
Kyle:
years ago, right when I was
00:14:52.409 --> 00:14:53.529
Kyle:
still enlisted.
00:14:53.529 --> 00:14:54.690
Kyle:
It was a lot.
00:14:54.690 --> 00:14:55.409
Kyle:
You'd be talking there.
00:14:55.409 --> 00:14:57.529
Kyle:
It wouldn't be surprised if
you're talking ten, eleven
00:14:57.529 --> 00:14:58.570
Kyle:
planes at once.
00:14:58.570 --> 00:15:00.730
Kyle:
You got to keep them all away
from each other.
00:15:00.730 --> 00:15:03.929
Kyle:
It's easier with, uh, the the
Department of War.
00:15:03.929 --> 00:15:06.330
Kyle:
It's kind of weird and set it
like.
00:15:06.129 --> 00:15:08.330
Wes:
Truly, it's a cool sounding
term, though.
00:15:08.330 --> 00:15:09.490
Wes:
I love saying it.
00:15:09.490 --> 00:15:11.049
Wes:
It's fun to say, yeah.
00:15:10.889 --> 00:15:13.169
Kyle:
I'm still not used to saying it,
but.
00:15:13.009 --> 00:15:13.809
Wes:
I do.
00:15:14.009 --> 00:15:18.450
Kyle:
Yeah, you work ten, twelve
planes at once, and but it's
00:15:18.450 --> 00:15:21.669
Kyle:
easier because they're all the
call signs are like Cujo two
00:15:21.669 --> 00:15:25.129
Kyle:
zero rips off four and they're
easy to read call signs.
00:15:25.129 --> 00:15:25.929
Kyle:
But when you're working like
00:15:25.929 --> 00:15:28.230
Kyle:
civilians, it's like every
00:15:28.230 --> 00:15:29.610
Kyle:
aircraft starts with an N and
00:15:29.610 --> 00:15:30.970
Kyle:
some numbers and letters at the
00:15:30.970 --> 00:15:31.769
Kyle:
end.
00:15:31.769 --> 00:15:35.759
Kyle:
So it could be November five
forty one kilo is the call sign,
00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:36.720
Kyle:
so that makes it kind of.
00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:37.960
Wes:
Harder to identify.
00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:39.440
Kyle:
Swapping back and forth.
00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:40.320
Wes:
Understanding.
00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:40.879
Kyle:
The planes.
00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:42.399
Kyle:
And like you kind of a lot of
00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:43.759
Kyle:
people have a hard time when
00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:45.000
Kyle:
trainees when they start reading
00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:46.059
Kyle:
and talking to the planes and
00:15:46.059 --> 00:15:47.659
Kyle:
like they'll like get dyslexic,
00:15:47.659 --> 00:15:48.820
Kyle:
they'll be looking at two to two
00:15:48.820 --> 00:15:49.799
Kyle:
zero over here and ripped off
00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:50.799
Kyle:
over here.
00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:52.480
Kyle:
And they'll say two oh four.
00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:55.240
Kyle:
It's like, oh no, no, two two,
two zero that's ripped off for.
00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:57.960
Kyle:
So it's like it's a lot easier
on my side of it because it's
00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:00.399
Kyle:
easier for me to look at the
planes and I can just read them
00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:02.600
Kyle:
off easier because I'm used to
all the calls.
00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:07.159
Kyle:
But, uh, and the civilian side
and when it does get busy and
00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:09.200
Kyle:
it's harder, in my opinion, it's
harder to look at like, all
00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:13.000
Kyle:
right, five four three two one
kilo one three nine zero tango.
00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:13.519
Kyle:
Two zero one.
00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:15.120
Kyle:
Mike Sierra.
00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:15.399
Kyle:
Those.
00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:16.320
Kyle:
And it's like, oh man, I gotta
00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:17.159
Kyle:
go back and forth back and
00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:17.679
Kyle:
forth.
00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:21.360
Wes:
So the call signs and
everything, I, um, it sounds
00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:23.759
Wes:
like chaos, but, uh, controlled.
00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:24.320
Kyle:
Uh, yeah.
00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:24.919
Kyle:
Yeah.
00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:29.120
Wes:
So, uh, does time, uh, does it
speed up or slow down when you
00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:30.320
Wes:
really get in these heat?
00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:32.500
Wes:
He because it's got to be
pressure.
00:16:32.500 --> 00:16:35.659
Wes:
When stuff's got to flow around
and it's changing.
00:16:35.659 --> 00:16:38.220
Wes:
Maybe something's a little off
schedule.
00:16:38.220 --> 00:16:38.860
Wes:
Yeah.
00:16:38.700 --> 00:16:40.539
Kyle:
Time. Time definitely gets
altered.
00:16:40.539 --> 00:16:41.700
Kyle:
It's like, uh.
00:16:41.740 --> 00:16:43.820
Wes:
I felt like it always kind of
slows down.
00:16:43.820 --> 00:16:44.500
Wes:
What do you.
00:16:44.500 --> 00:16:47.419
Wes:
How do you feel when in those
moments when it's really, like,
00:16:47.419 --> 00:16:48.419
Wes:
kind of tense.
00:16:48.379 --> 00:16:51.019
Kyle:
When it's when it's crazy and
it's really tense.
00:16:51.019 --> 00:16:53.860
Kyle:
It feels like everything is
slowing down around us.
00:16:53.860 --> 00:16:55.259
Kyle:
And there's this phrase about
it.
00:16:55.259 --> 00:16:57.340
Kyle:
It's like, the more you know,
the slower they go.
00:16:57.340 --> 00:16:59.059
Kyle:
So it may not be.
00:16:59.059 --> 00:17:03.659
Kyle:
It can be complex or it could
just be a bunch of aircraft.
00:17:03.659 --> 00:17:04.700
Kyle:
It's two different things.
00:17:04.700 --> 00:17:05.539
Kyle:
Like you could have a complex
00:17:05.539 --> 00:17:06.500
Kyle:
situation that you're trying to
00:17:06.500 --> 00:17:08.099
Kyle:
work through and try to solve
00:17:08.099 --> 00:17:09.259
Kyle:
that puzzle.
00:17:09.259 --> 00:17:11.380
Kyle:
Or you could just be talking to
a shitload of aircraft.
00:17:11.380 --> 00:17:14.339
Kyle:
So it's kind of you don't
necessarily.
00:17:14.339 --> 00:17:14.940
Kyle:
It depends.
00:17:14.940 --> 00:17:17.619
Kyle:
But for me, it slows down.
00:17:17.619 --> 00:17:20.579
Kyle:
I can stay in control and see
everything that's going on.
00:17:20.579 --> 00:17:21.539
Kyle:
And because I've done the same
00:17:21.539 --> 00:17:25.420
Kyle:
exact job for thirteen years, I,
00:17:25.420 --> 00:17:27.299
Kyle:
I know every in and out to work
00:17:27.299 --> 00:17:27.660
Kyle:
it.
00:17:27.660 --> 00:17:29.440
Kyle:
But then so it all slows down.
00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:30.359
Kyle:
We get through this huge,
00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:31.640
Kyle:
chaotic moment and then out of
00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:32.480
Kyle:
it, when it's done, it's like,
00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:33.859
Kyle:
holy shit, an hour just passed
00:17:33.859 --> 00:17:35.279
Kyle:
and we felt like it was like ten
00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:36.440
Kyle:
minutes.
00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:38.799
Kyle:
And then you get this huge
adrenaline rush and it's kind of
00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:41.279
Kyle:
like, oh my God, I just got my
ass handed to me in there.
00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:42.500
Kyle:
And then you sit down and like,
00:17:42.500 --> 00:17:43.839
Kyle:
it's that adrenaline just drops
00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:46.539
Kyle:
and your body just feels so
00:17:46.539 --> 00:17:47.279
Kyle:
tired.
00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:48.799
Wes:
Like an adrenaline dump.
00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:50.000
Kyle:
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:54.680
Kyle:
Yeah. Half the time we become so
Hollywood.
00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:55.880
Wes:
Makes it look so dramatic.
00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:59.319
Wes:
But I'm guessing in real life
it's a lot quieter and more
00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:00.480
Wes:
intense though, right?
00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:01.200
Wes:
Yeah.
00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:02.039
Wes:
It's not.
00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:04.200
Kyle:
It's not as dramatic as the
movies make it out to.
00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:08.339
Kyle:
And there's like there's one
movie that very specifically is
00:18:08.339 --> 00:18:13.759
Kyle:
amazing, Spider-Man two, and
there's an episode where, uh,
00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:17.160
Kyle:
electro or whatever pulls
electricity from the power grid
00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:19.539
Kyle:
and they're in the tower going,
oh my God, we just went,
00:18:19.539 --> 00:18:21.960
Kyle:
non-radar grab the stopwatch.
00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:23.960
Kyle:
It's like, okay, there's a clock
behind you.
00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:25.400
Kyle:
What do you need a stopwatch
for?
00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:26.200
Kyle:
But you use it.
00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:29.339
Kyle:
I get using time, methods and
stuff, but it's like so silly.
00:18:29.339 --> 00:18:31.980
Kyle:
And then there's pushing ten and
a bunch of other movies.
00:18:31.980 --> 00:18:34.579
Kyle:
It on a normal day to day basis,
00:18:34.579 --> 00:18:37.140
Kyle:
I'm just sitting back using my
00:18:37.140 --> 00:18:38.960
Kyle:
foot pedal and just talking to
00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:39.940
Kyle:
planes like, I'm talking to you
00:18:39.940 --> 00:18:40.779
Kyle:
right now.
00:18:40.779 --> 00:18:42.019
Kyle:
Hey, you do this.
00:18:42.019 --> 00:18:42.619
Kyle:
Wait a second.
00:18:42.619 --> 00:18:44.019
Kyle:
All right, now you do that.
00:18:44.019 --> 00:18:45.900
Kyle:
Wait a second and just keep
moving.
00:18:45.900 --> 00:18:47.980
Kyle:
There are moments where it is
pure chaos.
00:18:47.980 --> 00:18:51.460
Kyle:
Weather plays a huge factor
where I work because it's all
00:18:51.460 --> 00:18:53.500
Kyle:
training, uh, pilots and stuff.
00:18:53.500 --> 00:18:57.140
Kyle:
So if bad weather rolls in and,
like, our supervisor, flying
00:18:57.140 --> 00:18:59.819
Kyle:
doesn't make a call quick
enough, like, hey, we gotta get
00:18:59.819 --> 00:19:00.299
Kyle:
the planes back.
00:19:00.299 --> 00:19:02.900
Kyle:
I was like, hey, kind of told
you five minutes ago, we need to
00:19:02.900 --> 00:19:03.900
Kyle:
start bringing them back.
00:19:03.900 --> 00:19:05.539
Kyle:
And they're like, no, no, no,
we're good, we're good.
00:19:05.539 --> 00:19:08.059
Kyle:
And then bam, weather recall.
00:19:08.059 --> 00:19:13.220
Kyle:
That's as long as it can get out
of hand pretty quickly.
00:19:13.220 --> 00:19:15.059
Kyle:
The the height of the clouds can
00:19:15.059 --> 00:19:16.099
Kyle:
change what certain what our
00:19:16.099 --> 00:19:17.019
Kyle:
aircraft do.
00:19:16.859 --> 00:19:18.779
Wes:
Certain weather conditions or.
00:19:18.779 --> 00:19:21.119
Wes:
Uh, but you mentioned having set
00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:23.160
Wes:
rules for a lot of this stuff is
00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:25.829
Wes:
set in place for, uh, is it
00:19:25.829 --> 00:19:27.329
Wes:
constantly changing?
00:19:27.329 --> 00:19:29.049
Wes:
Uh. How often?
00:19:29.049 --> 00:19:31.650
Wes:
Ah. I mean, it's so when the
weather change.
00:19:31.650 --> 00:19:33.890
Wes:
I mean, it changes the whole
plan, doesn't it?
00:19:33.690 --> 00:19:34.609
Speaker 3:
Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:34.609 --> 00:19:35.369
Kyle:
You have all.
00:19:35.369 --> 00:19:37.730
Kyle:
You start out with a PCGS with
00:19:37.730 --> 00:19:39.250
Kyle:
your physician certification
00:19:39.250 --> 00:19:39.450
Kyle:
guide.
00:19:39.450 --> 00:19:42.690
Kyle:
It's like, hey, this is what you
need to know and how to use it
00:19:42.690 --> 00:19:44.009
Kyle:
to get ready.
00:19:44.009 --> 00:19:46.329
Kyle:
And you take that and then you
go in and you find all the
00:19:46.329 --> 00:19:47.529
Kyle:
references in our books.
00:19:47.529 --> 00:19:52.049
Kyle:
And the point sixty five is
that's our main, that's our
00:19:52.049 --> 00:19:53.450
Kyle:
Bible, our Bible.
00:19:53.450 --> 00:19:56.230
Kyle:
It's called the point sixty
five, and it's a book this big
00:19:56.230 --> 00:19:57.890
Kyle:
written by lawyers.
00:19:57.890 --> 00:19:59.369
Kyle:
And it's every rule that we need
00:19:59.369 --> 00:20:01.130
Kyle:
and we have to follow because of
00:20:01.130 --> 00:20:01.769
Kyle:
situations.
00:20:01.769 --> 00:20:05.769
Kyle:
Something would have happened at
some point, some time somewhere.
00:20:05.769 --> 00:20:06.809
Kyle:
And now here's this rule.
00:20:07.089 --> 00:20:09.490
Wes:
From some other person happen.
00:20:09.289 --> 00:20:11.890
Speaker 3:
This is from now on, we're not
doing this.
00:20:11.890 --> 00:20:12.849
Speaker 3:
And then a lawyer's.
00:20:12.650 --> 00:20:13.609
Kyle:
Got to write it to make it to
00:20:13.609 --> 00:20:15.490
Kyle:
where it's like, legally it's on
00:20:15.490 --> 00:20:16.950
Kyle:
me if I screw it up kind of
00:20:16.950 --> 00:20:17.609
Kyle:
thing.
00:20:17.609 --> 00:20:21.569
Kyle:
And then you take that book and
then we have our own facility
00:20:21.569 --> 00:20:24.509
Kyle:
regs and that's like, all right.
00:20:24.509 --> 00:20:27.029
Kyle:
That tells you how to split the
positions and stuff like that.
00:20:27.029 --> 00:20:29.829
Kyle:
Who's responsible for what in
each position?
00:20:29.829 --> 00:20:33.170
Kyle:
That's probably like, that's not
a very big book, but it's kind
00:20:33.170 --> 00:20:35.150
Kyle:
of it gets kind of complex when
you're first looking at it.
00:20:35.150 --> 00:20:38.009
Kyle:
And then you take that book and
then there's a, there's like two
00:20:38.009 --> 00:20:40.470
Kyle:
more other ones that have to do
with the facility alone.
00:20:40.470 --> 00:20:44.069
Kyle:
And then each facility that's
surrounding us, we have letters
00:20:44.069 --> 00:20:45.670
Kyle:
of agreement with.
00:20:45.670 --> 00:20:49.309
Kyle:
And so these guys on my West, I
have a different rules and stuff
00:20:49.309 --> 00:20:50.430
Kyle:
in which I work with them.
00:20:50.430 --> 00:20:53.230
Kyle:
Whereas on the East, I've got
different rules over here too.
00:20:53.230 --> 00:20:54.390
Kyle:
So you have to learn to take all
00:20:54.390 --> 00:20:55.589
Kyle:
those books and all those
00:20:55.589 --> 00:20:55.789
Kyle:
things.
00:20:55.789 --> 00:20:56.829
Kyle:
Those are only like ten pages
00:20:56.829 --> 00:20:58.750
Kyle:
long, but you have to know those
00:20:58.750 --> 00:21:00.829
Kyle:
rules so that you can work the
00:21:00.829 --> 00:21:02.390
Kyle:
planes effectively.
00:21:02.390 --> 00:21:05.509
Kyle:
So all there's there's all these
00:21:05.509 --> 00:21:06.509
Kyle:
rules and all these rules and
00:21:06.509 --> 00:21:07.650
Kyle:
all these rules that you have to
00:21:07.650 --> 00:21:08.470
Kyle:
learn.
00:21:08.470 --> 00:21:11.150
Kyle:
And in my opinion, you have to
learn a lot of it.
00:21:11.150 --> 00:21:13.589
Kyle:
Uh, but it's like there's,
00:21:13.589 --> 00:21:14.549
Kyle:
there's people that can be
00:21:14.549 --> 00:21:16.349
Kyle:
extremely book smart and they
00:21:16.349 --> 00:21:17.829
Kyle:
can they can have a picture
00:21:17.829 --> 00:21:18.910
Kyle:
perfect memory and they can read
00:21:18.910 --> 00:21:20.150
Kyle:
it and they'll never forget it,
00:21:20.150 --> 00:21:21.269
Kyle:
but they just can't work the
00:21:21.269 --> 00:21:22.210
Kyle:
plane.
00:21:22.210 --> 00:21:23.210
Kyle:
and then you have people that
00:21:23.210 --> 00:21:24.049
Kyle:
can work the hell out of the
00:21:24.049 --> 00:21:26.150
Kyle:
planes and aren't necessarily at
00:21:26.150 --> 00:21:26.650
Kyle:
Booksmart.
00:21:26.650 --> 00:21:27.690
Kyle:
I'm one of the ones like that.
00:21:27.690 --> 00:21:32.569
Kyle:
I can work the planes all day,
but like, ah, man, I forgot that
00:21:32.569 --> 00:21:33.809
Kyle:
rule or something like that.
00:21:33.809 --> 00:21:35.809
Kyle:
It's like, oh, and then somebody
like, and it's a good thing
00:21:35.809 --> 00:21:37.490
Kyle:
because you have people around
you like, oh, hey, hey, you
00:21:37.490 --> 00:21:38.369
Kyle:
can't do that because of this.
00:21:38.369 --> 00:21:40.009
Kyle:
So I have to go back to
disregard.
00:21:40.089 --> 00:21:42.049
Wes:
So does the different kind of
people.
00:21:42.049 --> 00:21:43.690
Wes:
Do you kind of feed off someone
else?
00:21:43.690 --> 00:21:46.690
Wes:
They help keep you sharp in this
area?
00:21:46.650 --> 00:21:47.250
Speaker 3:
Oh, yeah.
00:21:47.130 --> 00:21:49.750
Kyle:
We have monthly training letters
that tell us of any updates or
00:21:49.750 --> 00:21:52.170
Kyle:
like these little training
things we have to do to like,
00:21:52.170 --> 00:21:55.769
Kyle:
make sure we're keeping on task
and staying smart.
00:21:55.809 --> 00:21:59.950
Wes:
Uh, one thing I noticed when we
talked, we learned they
00:21:59.950 --> 00:22:03.410
Wes:
basically talked when they
talked to her, taught us to talk
00:22:03.410 --> 00:22:05.130
Wes:
to, uh, air assets.
00:22:05.130 --> 00:22:06.569
Wes:
That was the one thing that is
00:22:06.569 --> 00:22:09.750
Wes:
how calm and how clearly that
00:22:09.750 --> 00:22:12.049
Wes:
they are in, um, that's like
00:22:12.049 --> 00:22:13.630
Wes:
what air traffic controllers are
00:22:13.630 --> 00:22:14.450
Wes:
known for.
00:22:14.450 --> 00:22:14.970
Wes:
Their.
00:22:14.970 --> 00:22:16.410
Wes:
So pilots are known for having
00:22:16.410 --> 00:22:18.609
Wes:
just when we talk to air pilots,
00:22:18.609 --> 00:22:19.720
Wes:
it was just like a normal
00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:20.470
Wes:
conversation.
00:22:20.470 --> 00:22:22.029
Wes:
There's no phonetic alphabet.
00:22:22.029 --> 00:22:23.190
Wes:
There's no. Yeah.
00:22:23.190 --> 00:22:25.109
Wes:
It's just a normal conversation.
00:22:25.109 --> 00:22:28.990
Wes:
Uh, and where do you get this
common, uh, from?
00:22:28.990 --> 00:22:30.950
Wes:
And is it trained or is it
innate?
00:22:30.950 --> 00:22:32.789
Wes:
Did you get it from, like, being
00:22:32.789 --> 00:22:35.450
Wes:
in a kid is the big family and,
00:22:35.450 --> 00:22:38.069
Wes:
uh, uh, you know, was it is, uh,
00:22:38.069 --> 00:22:39.650
Wes:
or is it some of all that kind
00:22:39.650 --> 00:22:40.109
Wes:
of.
00:22:39.950 --> 00:22:43.950
Kyle:
I, I think I wasted all of my
energy when I was younger.
00:22:43.950 --> 00:22:45.230
Kyle:
I think, I think I got it all
00:22:45.230 --> 00:22:47.210
Kyle:
out and I have moments where I,
00:22:47.210 --> 00:22:48.670
Kyle:
they have crash out tracker at
00:22:48.670 --> 00:22:51.230
Kyle:
work where it's like, we it's
00:22:51.230 --> 00:22:52.589
Kyle:
like once or at the end of the
00:22:52.589 --> 00:22:53.390
Kyle:
month, whoever has the most
00:22:53.390 --> 00:22:54.589
Kyle:
crash outs gets a little stress
00:22:54.589 --> 00:22:55.990
Kyle:
ball out.
00:22:55.990 --> 00:22:58.549
Kyle:
But I won that a few times.
00:22:58.549 --> 00:23:00.349
Kyle:
But I mostly, I don't know, I
00:23:00.349 --> 00:23:01.390
Kyle:
feel like I wasted so much
00:23:01.390 --> 00:23:03.309
Kyle:
energy and I, I don't know, I
00:23:03.309 --> 00:23:04.470
Kyle:
just kind of developed it over
00:23:04.470 --> 00:23:05.029
Kyle:
time.
00:23:05.029 --> 00:23:08.349
Kyle:
I don't like when I'm with my
friends and stuff like that.
00:23:08.349 --> 00:23:09.710
Kyle:
I'm a different person and
everything like that.
00:23:09.710 --> 00:23:11.670
Kyle:
But majority of the time I'm
just kind of like, desk talk
00:23:11.670 --> 00:23:14.549
Kyle:
like this or I just won't talk.
00:23:14.549 --> 00:23:17.269
Kyle:
I'm not a social butterfly like
you.
00:23:17.269 --> 00:23:17.819
Kyle:
You know?
00:23:17.819 --> 00:23:18.779
Kyle:
Tessa.
00:23:18.779 --> 00:23:22.339
Kyle:
She can talk to anybody,
anywhere, at any time.
00:23:22.339 --> 00:23:22.660
Kyle:
Yes.
00:23:22.660 --> 00:23:24.900
Kyle:
And my job is talking to planes.
00:23:24.900 --> 00:23:26.660
Kyle:
The majority of the time, I just
don't talk.
00:23:26.660 --> 00:23:28.420
Kyle:
Like, if I'm in a social
setting, I'll sit back and I'll
00:23:28.420 --> 00:23:29.579
Kyle:
just kind of wait.
00:23:29.579 --> 00:23:31.819
Kyle:
And then if I see somebody that
I know, I latch on to them and
00:23:31.819 --> 00:23:32.460
Kyle:
I'll talk to them.
00:23:32.460 --> 00:23:33.740
Kyle:
I just it just became.
00:23:33.740 --> 00:23:34.819
Kyle:
I just became this way.
00:23:34.819 --> 00:23:35.779
Kyle:
I don't know why.
00:23:35.619 --> 00:23:39.299
Wes:
I can see that I sometimes I sit
back and look at my environment
00:23:39.299 --> 00:23:41.220
Wes:
and sometimes I just think it's
not worth it.
00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:42.940
Wes:
I don't like some people.
00:23:42.940 --> 00:23:45.140
Wes:
I'm like, yeah, they're not
worth talking to.
00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:48.380
Kyle:
My I have one of the retired
00:23:48.380 --> 00:23:50.859
Kyle:
civilians says, it's like when
00:23:50.859 --> 00:23:53.380
Kyle:
you, you have this like dynamic
00:23:53.380 --> 00:23:54.220
Kyle:
where you kind of just don't
00:23:54.220 --> 00:23:55.099
Kyle:
have the energy for things
00:23:55.099 --> 00:23:56.019
Kyle:
anymore when it comes to stuff
00:23:56.019 --> 00:23:56.779
Kyle:
like that, when you talk to
00:23:56.779 --> 00:23:58.000
Kyle:
somebody and shake their hand,
00:23:58.000 --> 00:23:58.859
Kyle:
can't remember what he called
00:23:58.859 --> 00:23:58.940
Kyle:
it.
00:23:58.940 --> 00:23:59.819
Kyle:
But he's like, you will never
00:23:59.819 --> 00:24:00.660
Kyle:
remember their name because you
00:24:00.660 --> 00:24:01.220
Kyle:
just don't.
00:24:01.220 --> 00:24:02.019
Kyle:
You don't really care.
00:24:02.019 --> 00:24:03.619
Kyle:
It's like kind of not that I
don't care.
00:24:03.619 --> 00:24:06.700
Kyle:
I just kind of just don't want I
don't want any more information
00:24:06.700 --> 00:24:07.779
Kyle:
going into my head.
00:24:07.819 --> 00:24:08.779
Wes:
I think the same.
00:24:08.779 --> 00:24:10.460
Wes:
I know exactly what you mean is
00:24:10.460 --> 00:24:11.940
Wes:
I can only remember so many
00:24:11.940 --> 00:24:12.660
Wes:
names.
00:24:12.660 --> 00:24:13.019
Wes:
Yeah.
00:24:13.019 --> 00:24:15.220
Wes:
So as this person is not.
00:24:15.220 --> 00:24:17.059
Wes:
It's not worth remembering and
00:24:17.059 --> 00:24:18.640
Wes:
your brain is constantly doing
00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:18.839
Wes:
that.
00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:21.279
Wes:
It's throwing out information
and, uh.
00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:23.319
Kyle:
Yeah, I tell everybody at work I
don't have much.
00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:26.119
Kyle:
Uh, I don't have much space up
top anymore.
00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:27.359
Kyle:
I only got, like, a gig left of
00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:28.400
Kyle:
stuff I gotta learn, and I got,
00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:29.460
Kyle:
I would like to be here for a
00:24:29.460 --> 00:24:31.039
Kyle:
while, so I kind of want to save
00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:31.680
Kyle:
it.
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:33.839
Kyle:
I just, I don't know, as far as
being calm goes, man.
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:35.160
Kyle:
I'm.
00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:38.000
Kyle:
I'm around my friends and stuff,
and we're having a good time.
00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:42.059
Kyle:
I'll kick it and I'll have fun
and joking and laughing and be
00:24:42.059 --> 00:24:44.039
Kyle:
kind of ridiculous sometimes.
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:46.519
Kyle:
But in reality, like, I just
00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:48.839
Kyle:
kind of just became this just
00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:49.160
Kyle:
happened.
00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:50.799
Kyle:
It was just all natural.
00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:53.880
Kyle:
And then I think I just try to
I've, I've created this
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:57.359
Kyle:
confidence about me that like I
tried to, I pretended for a long
00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:00.759
Kyle:
time that I had this confidence
about me, and it wasn't really
00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:05.960
Kyle:
there until I started getting
older and being like, you want
00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:09.619
Kyle:
to be the guy in the air traffic
in an IFR room, like, as far as
00:25:09.619 --> 00:25:10.680
Kyle:
my side goes.
00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:13.200
Wes:
America, you fake it until you
make it.
00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:16.220
Kyle:
Yeah. And it just became that I
created this quiet confidence
00:25:16.220 --> 00:25:17.220
Kyle:
about me that I wanted.
00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:18.099
Kyle:
I always saw it.
00:25:18.099 --> 00:25:19.099
Kyle:
I was like, I need to be that.
00:25:19.099 --> 00:25:20.339
Kyle:
I want to be that.
00:25:20.339 --> 00:25:21.339
Kyle:
And I just never had it.
00:25:21.339 --> 00:25:21.980
Kyle:
For a long time.
00:25:21.980 --> 00:25:22.980
Kyle:
I always pretended, but then I
00:25:22.980 --> 00:25:25.140
Kyle:
just actually, I, I manifested
00:25:25.140 --> 00:25:25.579
Kyle:
it.
00:25:25.740 --> 00:25:28.019
Wes:
I sometimes I wonder, I'm like,
00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:29.539
Wes:
I feel like I was more confident
00:25:29.539 --> 00:25:30.740
Wes:
when I was younger than I am
00:25:30.740 --> 00:25:31.059
Wes:
now.
00:25:31.059 --> 00:25:33.500
Wes:
I just or maybe I'm more
cautious.
00:25:33.380 --> 00:25:35.619
Kyle:
Oh, I'm very I'm very
self-conscious.
00:25:35.619 --> 00:25:37.819
Kyle:
I'm very like, even if I'm
00:25:37.819 --> 00:25:39.259
Kyle:
playing intramural softball and
00:25:39.259 --> 00:25:40.500
Kyle:
it's like before a game, I still
00:25:40.500 --> 00:25:41.500
Kyle:
get nervous.
00:25:41.500 --> 00:25:43.700
Kyle:
I still like, man, what if I
fuck up here?
00:25:43.700 --> 00:25:44.660
Kyle:
Then I'm gonna.
00:25:44.660 --> 00:25:46.380
Kyle:
It's like nothing's happened
yet.
00:25:46.380 --> 00:25:47.900
Kyle:
Lincoln has my same brain on
that, too.
00:25:47.900 --> 00:25:50.299
Kyle:
He gets so anxious about, like,
new things.
00:25:50.500 --> 00:25:51.740
Wes:
My son Lincoln.
00:25:51.539 --> 00:25:53.980
Kyle:
Yeah, yeah, I just I don't know,
00:25:53.980 --> 00:25:54.819
Kyle:
it's just one of those things,
00:25:54.819 --> 00:25:55.420
Kyle:
man.
00:25:55.539 --> 00:25:57.680
Wes:
I now like what happens, like,
00:25:57.680 --> 00:25:59.500
Wes:
internally when pressure starts
00:25:59.500 --> 00:26:00.720
Wes:
hitting, when you're, you know,
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.299
Wes:
just even it just life in
00:26:03.299 --> 00:26:03.819
Wes:
general.
00:26:03.819 --> 00:26:04.539
Wes:
You know what?
00:26:04.539 --> 00:26:04.980
Wes:
How?
00:26:04.980 --> 00:26:05.460
Wes:
Uh.
00:26:05.740 --> 00:26:06.420
Kyle:
It depends.
00:26:06.259 --> 00:26:07.660
Wes:
Is there any methods you guys
00:26:07.660 --> 00:26:08.819
Wes:
have been taught to help
00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:11.980
Wes:
decompress and, uh, get rid of
00:26:11.980 --> 00:26:13.680
Wes:
some of that and keep a calmness
00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:14.559
Wes:
about you.
00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:18.640
Kyle:
Uh, it's, uh, they they're
constantly pushing stuff out.
00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:18.839
Kyle:
Hey.
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:19.240
Kyle:
Do this.
00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:20.279
Kyle:
You need you.
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:22.119
Kyle:
This will make you relieve
stress.
00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:24.519
Kyle:
I I've learned over the years
it's.
00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:26.279
Wes:
Science is a. Yeah.
00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:27.180
Kyle:
There's like, here's a pamphlet,
00:26:27.180 --> 00:26:28.440
Kyle:
like, read this pamphlet or you
00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:29.480
Kyle:
have to do a training or
00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:29.839
Kyle:
something.
00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:30.880
Kyle:
And it's like, yeah.
00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:31.720
Wes:
You tend to.
00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:33.319
Wes:
Yeah. Blow this off when you're
younger.
00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:34.440
Wes:
Yeah, I would always do.
00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:35.200
Wes:
Yeah.
00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:37.980
Kyle:
But I found it's like it's all
individual based man as far as
00:26:37.980 --> 00:26:41.200
Kyle:
like keeping that calm demeanor
and handling the stress.
00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:43.039
Kyle:
It's all individually.
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:44.519
Kyle:
It's all on the individual.
00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:46.759
Kyle:
Because what I would what I'd
like to do is I like to work out
00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:50.559
Kyle:
and have I turn on my screamo
music, turn it on, turn it up as
00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:53.400
Kyle:
loud as I can in my garage and
just work out, especially during
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:56.440
Kyle:
the summer when it's so hot and
then you just beat yourself up.
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:59.220
Kyle:
I like, I like difficult to do
00:26:59.220 --> 00:27:00.960
Kyle:
difficult things, and that one
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:02.519
Kyle:
of those things that relieves so
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:04.240
Kyle:
much stress, whereas somebody
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:05.079
Kyle:
else that might not be their
00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:07.700
Kyle:
thing, they may be go play video
00:27:07.700 --> 00:27:08.039
Kyle:
games.
00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:09.799
Kyle:
That's how they decompress and
00:27:09.799 --> 00:27:11.460
Kyle:
stay calm when everything
00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:12.059
Kyle:
happens.
00:27:12.059 --> 00:27:16.059
Kyle:
But as far as actually staying
calm and keeping my nerves in,
00:27:16.059 --> 00:27:20.380
Kyle:
uh, an IFR room when I'm working
planes, that's all.
00:27:20.380 --> 00:27:21.579
Kyle:
Just.
00:27:21.579 --> 00:27:23.339
Kyle:
I've done the same thing for so
long.
00:27:23.339 --> 00:27:24.380
Kyle:
I know how to do it.
00:27:24.380 --> 00:27:24.779
Kyle:
I'm.
00:27:24.779 --> 00:27:26.420
Kyle:
I like to think I'm good at it.
00:27:26.420 --> 00:27:30.819
Kyle:
Uh. And I want to be the one I
got to be in control if I'm not.
00:27:30.819 --> 00:27:32.140
Kyle:
If somebody's looking because
00:27:32.140 --> 00:27:33.140
Kyle:
there's a position called
00:27:33.140 --> 00:27:34.220
Kyle:
coordinator.
00:27:34.220 --> 00:27:34.460
Kyle:
Yes.
00:27:34.460 --> 00:27:36.220
Kyle:
And you're sitting up there and
00:27:36.220 --> 00:27:37.700
Kyle:
your job is to watch the room
00:27:37.700 --> 00:27:38.859
Kyle:
and make sure people are doing
00:27:38.859 --> 00:27:39.700
Kyle:
what they're supposed to be
00:27:39.700 --> 00:27:41.700
Kyle:
doing and like, trying to it's
00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:42.779
Kyle:
called expedite the flow of
00:27:42.779 --> 00:27:43.660
Kyle:
traffic.
00:27:43.660 --> 00:27:44.859
Kyle:
You want to get this person from
00:27:44.859 --> 00:27:45.779
Kyle:
here to here as quick as
00:27:45.779 --> 00:27:46.700
Kyle:
possible.
00:27:46.700 --> 00:27:48.700
Kyle:
So you got to expedite it, make
sure you can make it work.
00:27:48.700 --> 00:27:51.740
Kyle:
So when you're up there and if
stuff hits the fan, I'm working
00:27:51.740 --> 00:27:56.420
Kyle:
with eighteen to twenty two year
old kids that they just joined
00:27:56.420 --> 00:27:57.140
Kyle:
the Air Force.
00:27:57.140 --> 00:27:58.859
Kyle:
They got here, they got the
ratings, they're sitting in
00:27:58.859 --> 00:28:03.460
Kyle:
position and they're getting
nervous because they don't know.
00:28:03.460 --> 00:28:06.019
Kyle:
They don't just don't have the
experience that I do.
00:28:06.019 --> 00:28:08.420
Kyle:
And if they look up to me and
I'm matching their energy and I
00:28:08.420 --> 00:28:10.369
Kyle:
can't, not in control.
00:28:10.369 --> 00:28:12.450
Kyle:
Yeah, they're going to panic
even more.
00:28:12.450 --> 00:28:16.289
Kyle:
So I know that I have to be that
calm to them.
00:28:16.289 --> 00:28:18.089
Kyle:
Hey, just do this.
00:28:18.250 --> 00:28:19.289
Wes:
Absolutely.
00:28:19.369 --> 00:28:21.849
Kyle:
And there's times where you say
it, like, aggressively or not
00:28:21.849 --> 00:28:23.369
Kyle:
like and stuff like that.
00:28:23.369 --> 00:28:27.009
Kyle:
But when it's really scary and
it's, like really intense if you
00:28:27.009 --> 00:28:30.609
Kyle:
just talk to somebody calmly,
hey, turn this guy this way.
00:28:30.609 --> 00:28:31.890
Kyle:
Tell this guy to descend.
00:28:33.009 --> 00:28:35.769
Wes:
It might make it help them out
and get them through.
00:28:35.769 --> 00:28:38.809
Wes:
In a matter of fact, you I want
to talk about for a moment.
00:28:38.809 --> 00:28:40.650
Wes:
A moment you that stuck with me.
00:28:40.650 --> 00:28:41.410
Wes:
We were talking about.
00:28:41.410 --> 00:28:42.250
Wes:
You said you had an
00:28:42.250 --> 00:28:44.130
Wes:
inexperienced, inexperienced
00:28:44.130 --> 00:28:45.089
Wes:
pilot.
00:28:45.089 --> 00:28:47.049
Wes:
Uh, that was clearly
overwhelmed.
00:28:47.049 --> 00:28:48.970
Wes:
Uh, just wanting to get home.
00:28:48.970 --> 00:28:50.009
Wes:
You know what I mean?
00:28:50.009 --> 00:28:51.690
Wes:
Uh, kind of walked me through
that.
00:28:51.690 --> 00:28:55.329
Wes:
Just how, uh, just situation
like that.
00:28:55.450 --> 00:28:57.809
Kyle:
It ties in perfectly to what I
was just saying about that.
00:28:57.809 --> 00:28:58.890
Kyle:
So I was in the coordinator when
00:28:58.890 --> 00:29:00.809
Kyle:
that was going down, and we had
00:29:00.809 --> 00:29:02.730
Kyle:
this, uh, trainee was in the
00:29:02.730 --> 00:29:04.690
Kyle:
scope talking to her, and she
00:29:04.690 --> 00:29:06.150
Kyle:
just lost her every ability to
00:29:06.150 --> 00:29:06.569
Kyle:
navigate.
00:29:06.569 --> 00:29:09.670
Kyle:
And thankfully, it was a
beautiful day out and it was our
00:29:09.670 --> 00:29:11.950
Kyle:
first time flying by herself.
00:29:11.950 --> 00:29:13.549
Kyle:
And he's like, I don't, I don't
know what to do.
00:29:13.549 --> 00:29:14.190
Kyle:
I don't know what to do.
00:29:14.190 --> 00:29:15.910
Kyle:
I was like, it's all right,
relax.
00:29:15.910 --> 00:29:17.029
Kyle:
I told him, because we have a
map.
00:29:17.029 --> 00:29:18.029
Kyle:
We have maps for everything.
00:29:18.029 --> 00:29:21.190
Kyle:
I got a county map where I can
pull it over my right.
00:29:21.069 --> 00:29:21.309
Wes:
I need.
00:29:21.309 --> 00:29:22.630
Wes:
This person was in trouble.
00:29:22.630 --> 00:29:23.869
Wes:
You could tell in their voice.
00:29:23.869 --> 00:29:25.509
Wes:
Yeah, they're up in the plane.
00:29:25.470 --> 00:29:26.670
Kyle:
So you look at the radar scope.
00:29:26.670 --> 00:29:28.769
Kyle:
It's like the typical, like,
navy thing where it looks like
00:29:28.769 --> 00:29:32.109
Kyle:
it's spinning around like this,
and it's just like pulling data.
00:29:32.109 --> 00:29:33.150
Kyle:
Uh, but you're looking at like
00:29:33.150 --> 00:29:34.950
Kyle:
this, and it's like you hit maps
00:29:34.950 --> 00:29:36.190
Kyle:
and they get layered over top of
00:29:36.190 --> 00:29:36.829
Kyle:
it.
00:29:36.630 --> 00:29:37.430
Wes:
Okay, okay.
00:29:37.269 --> 00:29:38.309
Kyle:
So like, I'm looking at the
00:29:38.309 --> 00:29:39.710
Kyle:
airspace, there's Starkville,
00:29:39.710 --> 00:29:41.490
Kyle:
there's Columbus, and I hit map
00:29:41.490 --> 00:29:42.670
Kyle:
eighty two and it'll show me the
00:29:42.670 --> 00:29:43.950
Kyle:
highways okay.
00:29:43.750 --> 00:29:46.630
Wes:
So you can see different land
features okay.
00:29:46.710 --> 00:29:48.029
Kyle:
So I can do all that.
00:29:48.029 --> 00:29:50.470
Kyle:
So what I'll what I told him was
like, hey, hit map eighty two.
00:29:50.470 --> 00:29:52.390
Kyle:
It's like, that's our highway
map.
00:29:52.390 --> 00:29:52.950
Kyle:
He pulled it up.
00:29:52.950 --> 00:29:55.269
Kyle:
I was like, hey, tell her to
look down into her, right?
00:29:55.269 --> 00:29:57.829
Kyle:
And she'll see the highways
going north.
00:29:57.829 --> 00:29:58.390
Kyle:
He's like, okay.
00:29:58.390 --> 00:30:00.309
Kyle:
So he told her that he looks
down.
00:30:00.309 --> 00:30:01.950
Kyle:
He's like, all right here in a
second you're going to see.
00:30:01.950 --> 00:30:03.849
Kyle:
It's like because you know,
00:30:03.849 --> 00:30:04.910
Kyle:
basically where things are I
00:30:04.910 --> 00:30:06.049
Kyle:
know where my house is located
00:30:06.049 --> 00:30:07.890
Kyle:
on the map, just because of
00:30:07.890 --> 00:30:09.329
Kyle:
where I drive to and stuff like
00:30:09.329 --> 00:30:09.450
Kyle:
that.
00:30:09.450 --> 00:30:10.049
Kyle:
I was like, right here.
00:30:10.049 --> 00:30:10.730
Kyle:
In a minute she's.
00:30:10.529 --> 00:30:10.970
Wes:
Gonna.
00:30:10.769 --> 00:30:13.250
Kyle:
See Walmart, and as soon as she
00:30:13.250 --> 00:30:14.529
Kyle:
sees Walmart, tell her to start
00:30:14.529 --> 00:30:16.490
Kyle:
turning right a little bit and
00:30:16.490 --> 00:30:18.369
Kyle:
then tell her to stop when she's
00:30:18.369 --> 00:30:19.809
Kyle:
pointed right at where she needs
00:30:19.809 --> 00:30:20.329
Kyle:
to go.
00:30:20.329 --> 00:30:21.849
Kyle:
So he's like, all right, all
right, all right.
00:30:21.849 --> 00:30:22.089
Kyle:
Okay.
00:30:22.089 --> 00:30:23.809
Kyle:
You see, Walmart is funny, kid.
00:30:23.809 --> 00:30:25.049
Kyle:
He's like the Walmart down
there.
00:30:25.049 --> 00:30:25.730
Kyle:
Yeah I see it.
00:30:25.730 --> 00:30:28.009
Kyle:
It's like pointed right at where
she needs to go.
00:30:28.009 --> 00:30:29.730
Kyle:
So he's like all right, all
right, all right okay.
00:30:29.730 --> 00:30:31.450
Kyle:
You see the Walmart.
00:30:31.450 --> 00:30:32.730
Kyle:
He's like the Walmart down
there.
00:30:32.730 --> 00:30:33.369
Kyle:
Yeah I see it.
00:30:33.369 --> 00:30:35.490
Kyle:
It's like all right turn right.
00:30:35.490 --> 00:30:35.809
Kyle:
Turn right.
00:30:35.809 --> 00:30:36.890
Kyle:
He's like right stop turn.
00:30:36.890 --> 00:30:38.769
Kyle:
And she stopped kept going.
00:30:38.769 --> 00:30:41.690
Kyle:
Finally saw the base, got down
and did everything she needed to
00:30:41.690 --> 00:30:42.690
Kyle:
do to get on the ground.
00:30:42.690 --> 00:30:45.130
Kyle:
But it's just that that's pure
experience.
00:30:45.130 --> 00:30:46.089
Kyle:
And I've seen that happen on
00:30:46.089 --> 00:30:47.430
Kyle:
multiple occasions leading up to
00:30:47.430 --> 00:30:49.130
Kyle:
that point when I was the
00:30:49.130 --> 00:30:50.210
Kyle:
trainee sitting down and
00:30:50.210 --> 00:30:50.930
Kyle:
something like that would go
00:30:50.930 --> 00:30:51.170
Kyle:
down.
00:30:51.170 --> 00:30:53.690
Kyle:
And I had I had great friends
00:30:53.690 --> 00:30:55.690
Kyle:
that were already in air traffic
00:30:55.690 --> 00:30:57.490
Kyle:
before me, and they're good
00:30:57.490 --> 00:30:58.869
Kyle:
dudes, and they taught me how to
00:30:58.869 --> 00:30:59.170
Kyle:
be.
00:30:59.170 --> 00:31:01.569
Kyle:
I watched them, how they handled
things.
00:31:01.569 --> 00:31:02.130
Kyle:
Um.
00:31:02.769 --> 00:31:05.109
Wes:
So you felt like you were
prepared for this.
00:31:04.950 --> 00:31:06.950
Kyle:
They made me become this.
00:31:06.950 --> 00:31:07.430
Kyle:
By and by.
00:31:07.430 --> 00:31:08.390
Kyle:
Just by watching them.
00:31:08.390 --> 00:31:08.950
Kyle:
And then you got.
00:31:08.950 --> 00:31:10.029
Kyle:
You got other people that you
watch.
00:31:10.029 --> 00:31:12.430
Kyle:
Like there's no way I'm going to
do that.
00:31:12.430 --> 00:31:14.109
Kyle:
That's the leadership thing,
right?
00:31:14.109 --> 00:31:17.509
Kyle:
Everybody like you always
remember your your leadership.
00:31:17.509 --> 00:31:18.589
Kyle:
You remember the really good
ones.
00:31:18.589 --> 00:31:19.670
Kyle:
But you also remember the.
00:31:19.630 --> 00:31:22.309
Wes:
I think that's what's known as
the growth mindset.
00:31:22.309 --> 00:31:23.710
Wes:
Yeah, absolutely.
00:31:23.549 --> 00:31:25.390
Kyle:
You know, I do not want to be
that.
00:31:25.390 --> 00:31:26.829
Kyle:
And I will never do that.
00:31:26.829 --> 00:31:29.269
Kyle:
You gotta you gotta experience
it to know, hey, I don't want to
00:31:29.269 --> 00:31:30.309
Kyle:
ever be like that.
00:31:30.309 --> 00:31:31.509
Kyle:
Yes, you may catch yourself
00:31:31.509 --> 00:31:33.750
Kyle:
doing things that you're in a
00:31:33.750 --> 00:31:35.630
Kyle:
leadership role and somebody
00:31:35.630 --> 00:31:35.829
Kyle:
will see.
00:31:35.829 --> 00:31:36.950
Kyle:
They may not like what you're
doing.
00:31:36.950 --> 00:31:40.630
Kyle:
And so they'll take that aspect
of your teaching or your
00:31:40.630 --> 00:31:42.630
Kyle:
training with them and they'll
be like, nah, you know what?
00:31:42.630 --> 00:31:43.309
Kyle:
I don't want to do that.
00:31:43.309 --> 00:31:45.190
Kyle:
I don't wanna be that kind of
person, which is fine.
00:31:45.190 --> 00:31:46.670
Kyle:
I mean, everybody's nobody's
perfect.
00:31:46.670 --> 00:31:49.809
Kyle:
But you also gotta have the you
want to be the person that like,
00:31:49.809 --> 00:31:50.670
Kyle:
people look up to.
00:31:50.670 --> 00:31:51.269
Kyle:
That's kind.
00:31:51.069 --> 00:31:53.390
Wes:
Of. There is a big contrast.
00:31:53.390 --> 00:31:55.349
Wes:
Contrast black and white between
00:31:55.349 --> 00:31:56.589
Wes:
good leadership and bad
00:31:56.589 --> 00:31:57.230
Wes:
leadership.
00:31:57.230 --> 00:32:00.450
Wes:
When you see it and it's like
you when I see bad leadership,
00:32:00.450 --> 00:32:03.579
Wes:
that's the one thing I think I
don't want to be a part of that.
00:32:03.579 --> 00:32:05.220
Wes:
That's exactly it.
00:32:05.220 --> 00:32:07.380
Wes:
You want to be exactly who that
you want to be.
00:32:07.380 --> 00:32:09.420
Wes:
What good leaders are because
you remember them.
00:32:09.420 --> 00:32:10.539
Wes:
They stick with you.
00:32:10.380 --> 00:32:11.579
Kyle:
No matter what you do.
00:32:11.579 --> 00:32:13.500
Kyle:
Like even my job, you have
mentors and stuff.
00:32:13.500 --> 00:32:17.140
Kyle:
And you can see, like I always
saw, how my my one of my really
00:32:17.140 --> 00:32:22.279
Kyle:
good friends, Joshua Keith, that
dude, he was your stereotypical
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:25.539
Kyle:
alpha male, great athlete.
00:32:25.539 --> 00:32:29.779
Kyle:
Uh, he he was he had this, like.
00:32:29.779 --> 00:32:30.539
Kyle:
Like the kids say.
00:32:30.539 --> 00:32:31.759
Kyle:
Now they're saying the aura
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:32.859
Kyle:
about him, but he had that,
00:32:32.859 --> 00:32:34.380
Kyle:
like, he walked in the room and
00:32:34.380 --> 00:32:35.660
Kyle:
you would see he's like, hey,
00:32:35.660 --> 00:32:36.660
Kyle:
that guy's got his shit
00:32:36.660 --> 00:32:37.019
Kyle:
together.
00:32:37.019 --> 00:32:38.380
Kyle:
He's gonna he's got he's gonna
00:32:38.380 --> 00:32:39.099
Kyle:
have this whole thing under
00:32:39.099 --> 00:32:40.099
Kyle:
control.
00:32:40.099 --> 00:32:43.259
Kyle:
So I saw how he handled himself
a lot, and I watched it, and I,
00:32:43.259 --> 00:32:46.180
Kyle:
and I, I mirrored a lot of what
I did off of him.
00:32:46.019 --> 00:32:47.019
Wes:
Try to emulate it.
00:32:47.019 --> 00:32:47.700
Wes:
Yeah.
00:32:47.539 --> 00:32:49.339
Kyle:
So then I was like, all right,
that's the guy I want to be.
00:32:49.339 --> 00:32:50.420
Kyle:
I want to be the guy when shit
00:32:50.420 --> 00:32:51.680
Kyle:
hits the fan, that's what I want
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:52.099
Kyle:
to be.
00:32:52.099 --> 00:32:55.380
Kyle:
And then just watched him and
learned how he did things.
00:32:55.380 --> 00:32:56.700
Kyle:
I've seen other people, uh,
00:32:56.700 --> 00:32:58.500
Kyle:
different ways they communicate
00:32:58.500 --> 00:32:59.619
Kyle:
and stuff.
00:32:59.619 --> 00:33:01.960
Kyle:
Uh, I just figured what I wanted
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:02.920
Kyle:
to be and what I didn't want to
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:03.039
Kyle:
be.
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:06.000
Kyle:
So that's how I ended up working
out.
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:07.359
Wes:
Absolutely.
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:09.240
Wes:
I think that's about most things
in life.
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.359
Wes:
Is, uh, you said something
interesting in the beginning.
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:14.759
Wes:
You said something about just
showing up.
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.420
Wes:
But most of the time, just in
00:33:16.420 --> 00:33:19.039
Wes:
that discipline over triumphs is
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:19.359
Wes:
just.
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:20.079
Wes:
I think you're right.
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:21.359
Wes:
Just showing up and doing it.
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:22.119
Wes:
You know.
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:25.680
Kyle:
My grandfather was another big
aspect of that when I was a kid.
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:29.240
Kyle:
Thankfully, a huge blessing for
me and my family was he was able
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:30.559
Kyle:
to retire early.
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:32.839
Kyle:
I can't remember where he
worked, but to be honest with
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:37.359
Kyle:
you, but he was he was able to
retire early, so he was at every
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:40.819
Kyle:
he would take us to everything,
every sporting event, every
00:33:40.819 --> 00:33:42.920
Kyle:
Christmas song thing I had to
sing in elementary school.
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:46.559
Kyle:
He was always there and he
instilled that to me.
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.400
Kyle:
You just got to show up to the
people that it matters the most
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.400
Kyle:
to, and for me, it's right now
it's my immediate family, it's
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:55.279
Kyle:
my boys and Tessa, and that's
one of the main reasons.
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:56.480
Kyle:
That's one of the huge reasons
00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:57.720
Kyle:
why I never left the FAA is
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:00.099
Kyle:
because I want the ability to do
00:34:00.099 --> 00:34:01.019
Kyle:
both.
00:34:01.019 --> 00:34:02.460
Kyle:
I wanted it, I wanted to be able
00:34:02.460 --> 00:34:04.220
Kyle:
to provide for my family very
00:34:04.220 --> 00:34:05.059
Kyle:
well.
00:34:05.059 --> 00:34:07.059
Kyle:
I had a great childhood, don't
get me wrong.
00:34:07.059 --> 00:34:09.900
Kyle:
Uh, but I wanted to make theirs
better.
00:34:09.900 --> 00:34:11.619
Kyle:
Every every parent wants to do
that for their kids.
00:34:11.619 --> 00:34:13.820
Kyle:
They want to make their kids
lives better than theirs.
00:34:13.820 --> 00:34:15.099
Kyle:
Part of the gig.
00:34:15.099 --> 00:34:18.619
Kyle:
So he him showing up and
constantly being there and
00:34:18.619 --> 00:34:20.019
Kyle:
constantly being around.
00:34:20.019 --> 00:34:23.619
Kyle:
That changed my life and what I
wanted my kids to know.
00:34:23.619 --> 00:34:26.739
Kyle:
Hey, I will be there no matter
what.
00:34:26.739 --> 00:34:28.380
Kyle:
And I think it's I think it's
huge.
00:34:28.380 --> 00:34:30.940
Kyle:
That's why I'm still in
Columbus, Mississippi, because I
00:34:30.940 --> 00:34:32.699
Kyle:
get to work a normal seven.
00:34:32.699 --> 00:34:33.739
Kyle:
I work seven to three.
00:34:33.739 --> 00:34:35.539
Kyle:
I'm so blessed on my schedule.
00:34:35.539 --> 00:34:37.019
Kyle:
It is unbelievable.
00:34:37.019 --> 00:34:40.800
Kyle:
But it allows me the opportunity
to take Lincoln to practice,
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:41.539
Kyle:
watch and practice.
00:34:41.539 --> 00:34:42.300
Kyle:
Talk to him after.
00:34:42.300 --> 00:34:43.260
Kyle:
Hey, would you think about this?
00:34:43.260 --> 00:34:44.300
Kyle:
What do you think about that?
00:34:44.300 --> 00:34:45.900
Kyle:
Next time, let's try this.
00:34:45.900 --> 00:34:47.099
Kyle:
I'm present.
00:34:47.099 --> 00:34:49.340
Kyle:
And that is huge for him
because.
00:34:49.340 --> 00:34:50.539
Kyle:
And he notices too.
00:34:50.539 --> 00:34:52.820
Kyle:
It also gets a little
detrimental sometimes because
00:34:52.820 --> 00:34:56.380
Kyle:
sometimes you can't make things
like, oh, he wasn't there.
00:34:56.380 --> 00:34:58.239
Kyle:
Listen, you will remember I
always had everything I could
00:34:58.239 --> 00:34:59.360
Kyle:
possibly be at.
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:00.559
Wes:
Absolutely.
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:03.000
Wes:
I think you said that you you
were actually.
00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:05.880
Wes:
That was a key thing you said
about your father, as he was so
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:09.280
Wes:
busy with work that he couldn't
get to the games, and you had to
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:10.679
Wes:
accept that later on.
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.960
Wes:
And I think that's good that you
actually made it a point later
00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:14.920
Wes:
in your life.
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:16.599
Wes:
Hey, I want to be a priority.
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:18.000
Wes:
I want to have my job focused
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:19.719
Wes:
that where I can I can do this
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:20.079
Wes:
for him.
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:21.280
Wes:
I can be that for him.
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:23.199
Wes:
Yeah, I think that's what people
need.
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:24.840
Wes:
You know, a lot of people lack.
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:29.440
Kyle:
Yeah. And people I, I see it all
the time.
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:32.440
Kyle:
People are lazy.
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:34.320
Kyle:
I hate lazy, I hate it.
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:35.800
Kyle:
I get moods where I'm lazy.
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:38.719
Kyle:
Don't get me wrong, there's
times where I'm lazy, but I just
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:39.880
Kyle:
hate pure laziness.
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:41.280
Kyle:
Just to be lazy.
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:42.360
Kyle:
Like, if you're gonna do
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:43.880
Kyle:
something, try to be the best at
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:44.800
Kyle:
it.
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:46.119
Kyle:
And it takes discipline.
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:47.679
Kyle:
It takes whatever everything
you're doing.
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:49.920
Kyle:
But I can't stand somebody that
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:51.840
Kyle:
just kind of like, does the
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.460
Kyle:
least amount of possible every
00:35:54.460 --> 00:35:55.429
Kyle:
day.
00:35:55.429 --> 00:35:55.989
Kyle:
And another thing.
00:35:55.989 --> 00:35:56.869
Kyle:
My dad told me.
00:35:56.750 --> 00:35:58.710
Wes:
You're never going to get ahead
doing the minimum.
00:35:58.710 --> 00:36:01.510
Wes:
You're not going to pay off your
loans early.
00:36:01.510 --> 00:36:02.670
Wes:
You're not going to.
00:36:02.510 --> 00:36:03.789
Kyle:
Yeah. You're never going to get
anywhere.
00:36:03.789 --> 00:36:04.909
Kyle:
You're just going to stay
stagnant.
00:36:04.909 --> 00:36:07.730
Kyle:
And I don't see the point in
that when this is such a finite
00:36:07.730 --> 00:36:11.469
Kyle:
time you have on this planet,
it's like, why not make yourself
00:36:11.469 --> 00:36:13.030
Kyle:
better, be better.
00:36:13.030 --> 00:36:15.670
Kyle:
One thing my dad taught me too,
about, like being at work and
00:36:15.670 --> 00:36:17.590
Kyle:
stuff and that, like, kind of
helped me want to excel, is he
00:36:17.590 --> 00:36:19.429
Kyle:
always told me he's like, you
want to be undeniable.
00:36:19.429 --> 00:36:22.030
Kyle:
When we were talking about the
other day with.
00:36:21.829 --> 00:36:24.429
Wes:
Our kids, yes, with school
sports, I feel the same way.
00:36:24.429 --> 00:36:24.789
Wes:
Yeah.
00:36:24.789 --> 00:36:26.869
Wes:
Be undeniable that no one can.
00:36:26.869 --> 00:36:27.110
Wes:
Yeah.
00:36:27.110 --> 00:36:29.050
Wes:
They can't not play you or say
00:36:29.050 --> 00:36:31.469
Wes:
it was a coach's fault then
00:36:31.469 --> 00:36:32.030
Wes:
everybody.
00:36:32.030 --> 00:36:33.510
Wes:
It's just totally apparent.
00:36:33.469 --> 00:36:33.909
Kyle:
Teachers fault.
00:36:33.909 --> 00:36:35.309
Kyle:
I didn't do well on this test.
00:36:35.309 --> 00:36:39.269
Kyle:
It can be anything but one thing
that checks me on that, that I
00:36:39.269 --> 00:36:43.150
Kyle:
try to do or think about is my
dad said, when you're at work or
00:36:43.150 --> 00:36:47.710
Kyle:
you're somewhere, think that if
I'm right behind you or your
00:36:47.710 --> 00:36:50.389
Kyle:
mom's right behind you watching
everything you're doing.
00:36:50.389 --> 00:36:53.440
Kyle:
He told me this later in life,
but it's he's like, think about
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:56.409
Kyle:
if they saw you do whatever.
00:36:56.409 --> 00:36:58.130
Kyle:
They're just constantly
monitoring you.
00:36:58.130 --> 00:36:59.610
Kyle:
What what would they think?
00:36:59.610 --> 00:37:00.650
Kyle:
Like, you know what I mean?
00:37:00.650 --> 00:37:03.409
Kyle:
It's like their little guardian
angel was like, what would they
00:37:03.409 --> 00:37:05.610
Kyle:
think about how you behaved at
this point, doing this?
00:37:05.610 --> 00:37:06.090
Kyle:
You know what I mean?
00:37:06.090 --> 00:37:07.210
Kyle:
I always think about, like, all
00:37:07.210 --> 00:37:08.449
Kyle:
right, I don't want to be that
00:37:08.449 --> 00:37:08.849
Kyle:
guy.
00:37:08.849 --> 00:37:11.690
Kyle:
There's times when I have one
hundred percent that guy.
00:37:11.690 --> 00:37:14.929
Kyle:
But I come back and I always
kicks me in the nuts.
00:37:14.929 --> 00:37:15.929
Kyle:
It always makes me mad.
00:37:15.929 --> 00:37:17.090
Kyle:
I'm like, damn it, I did that.
00:37:17.090 --> 00:37:17.889
Kyle:
I should have never done that.
00:37:17.889 --> 00:37:19.550
Kyle:
So then I'll go apologize to if
00:37:19.550 --> 00:37:21.010
Kyle:
it was to someone or around
00:37:21.010 --> 00:37:21.849
Kyle:
somebody.
00:37:21.849 --> 00:37:24.050
Wes:
So you make it right once you
realize.
00:37:24.050 --> 00:37:26.449
Wes:
Yeah, I think sometimes I do the
same.
00:37:26.449 --> 00:37:27.929
Wes:
I get in the heat of the moment.
00:37:27.929 --> 00:37:28.530
Wes:
Yeah.
00:37:28.530 --> 00:37:31.809
Wes:
And, uh, you know, sometimes
it's hard to see ourselves as
00:37:31.809 --> 00:37:32.570
Wes:
the bad guy.
00:37:32.570 --> 00:37:34.010
Wes:
I think you know what I mean.
00:37:34.010 --> 00:37:37.369
Wes:
So a lot of times you justify
stuff to.
00:37:37.289 --> 00:37:38.809
Kyle:
Eat humble pie every once in a
while.
00:37:38.650 --> 00:37:42.449
Wes:
Yes. I think that's, uh,
definitely a big part.
00:37:42.449 --> 00:37:43.610
Wes:
Uh, I've.
00:37:43.610 --> 00:37:44.809
Wes:
Great leaders are very.
00:37:44.809 --> 00:37:45.769
Wes:
They're humble.
00:37:45.769 --> 00:37:48.650
Wes:
They don't command you, you
know, people that I've had in
00:37:48.650 --> 00:37:50.610
Wes:
the military that are great,
they don't command me.
00:37:50.610 --> 00:37:54.869
Wes:
They work with me and and I.
They have that power of
00:37:54.869 --> 00:37:57.949
Wes:
influence, just like every
person needs to build.
00:37:57.949 --> 00:37:59.070
Wes:
You know that.
00:37:58.909 --> 00:37:59.789
Kyle:
one hundred percent.
00:37:59.590 --> 00:38:01.989
Wes:
People want to work for, you
know, people want to follow and
00:38:01.989 --> 00:38:03.110
Wes:
buy into their ideas.
00:38:02.909 --> 00:38:04.070
Kyle:
I agree with that.
00:38:04.070 --> 00:38:05.309
Kyle:
So huge.
00:38:05.670 --> 00:38:09.530
Wes:
What is some, uh, like the
weight of all the responsibility
00:38:09.530 --> 00:38:12.429
Wes:
I mean, you're talking about you
got the kids the job that you
00:38:12.429 --> 00:38:16.750
Wes:
have to, uh, that's very high,
stressful, solve puzzles.
00:38:16.750 --> 00:38:19.349
Wes:
You know, you're married, you
guys got dogs.
00:38:19.349 --> 00:38:22.389
Wes:
You guys got a cool setup in
Columbus, Mississippi.
00:38:22.389 --> 00:38:25.789
Wes:
What, uh, what's some of the
weight of the responsibility?
00:38:25.789 --> 00:38:29.530
Wes:
Do you ever feel, you know,
because you got, uh, you're
00:38:29.530 --> 00:38:30.789
Wes:
you're centered this.
00:38:30.789 --> 00:38:31.110
Wes:
Yeah.
00:38:31.110 --> 00:38:32.789
Wes:
You got a lot going on.
00:38:32.630 --> 00:38:35.949
Kyle:
Yeah, I, I before I became an
00:38:35.949 --> 00:38:36.869
Kyle:
air traffic controller, I didn't
00:38:36.869 --> 00:38:37.949
Kyle:
think of anything of mental
00:38:37.949 --> 00:38:38.510
Kyle:
fatigue.
00:38:38.510 --> 00:38:39.789
Kyle:
I didn't think it was going to
be a thing.
00:38:39.789 --> 00:38:43.789
Kyle:
But then being a controller is
like, it's mentally exhausting.
00:38:43.789 --> 00:38:46.630
Kyle:
And it's sometimes that mental
exhaustion overweighs any
00:38:46.630 --> 00:38:48.989
Kyle:
physical exhaustion I've ever
been a part of.
00:38:48.989 --> 00:38:51.650
Kyle:
Uh. and it does suck.
00:38:51.650 --> 00:38:53.610
Kyle:
There's times like, man, I just
want to can't.
00:38:53.610 --> 00:38:55.570
Kyle:
I need a break.
00:38:55.570 --> 00:38:57.969
Kyle:
But then I said, as soon as I
00:38:57.969 --> 00:38:59.429
Kyle:
say that, my mind goes back to
00:38:59.429 --> 00:39:00.289
Kyle:
why?
00:39:00.289 --> 00:39:01.730
Kyle:
Why do I need a break?
00:39:01.730 --> 00:39:02.570
Kyle:
I'm blessed.
00:39:02.570 --> 00:39:03.449
Kyle:
My hours are blessed.
00:39:03.449 --> 00:39:05.650
Kyle:
I'm doing fine.
00:39:05.650 --> 00:39:06.130
Kyle:
Financially.
00:39:06.130 --> 00:39:06.889
Kyle:
I'm doing.
00:39:06.889 --> 00:39:08.969
Kyle:
My life is phenomenal.
00:39:08.969 --> 00:39:11.530
Kyle:
Um, if that's what I have to
deal with.
00:39:11.530 --> 00:39:13.070
Kyle:
To have the life that I have to
00:39:13.070 --> 00:39:14.130
Kyle:
enjoy, what I have with my
00:39:14.130 --> 00:39:15.550
Kyle:
family and my kids will be
00:39:15.550 --> 00:39:17.170
Kyle:
perfectly well off when they get
00:39:17.170 --> 00:39:17.889
Kyle:
older.
00:39:17.889 --> 00:39:19.449
Kyle:
We're doing exactly what we're
doing.
00:39:19.449 --> 00:39:23.130
Kyle:
I will take that responsibility
every day of the week, every day
00:39:23.130 --> 00:39:23.849
Kyle:
of the week.
00:39:23.969 --> 00:39:26.769
Wes:
It's pretty good, honest
approach.
00:39:26.849 --> 00:39:31.449
Kyle:
Yeah, it's somebody out there
always has it worse than you.
00:39:31.449 --> 00:39:32.130
Kyle:
Always.
00:39:32.130 --> 00:39:34.969
Kyle:
And that person is probably
showing up better than you are.
00:39:34.969 --> 00:39:35.730
Kyle:
There's always somebody out
00:39:35.730 --> 00:39:36.889
Kyle:
there that's working harder than
00:39:36.889 --> 00:39:37.449
Kyle:
you.
00:39:37.449 --> 00:39:41.090
Kyle:
So there's no. I think if I was
to succumb to the weight of the
00:39:41.090 --> 00:39:43.650
Kyle:
responsibility, that would be
just me be giving up and just be
00:39:43.650 --> 00:39:44.050
Kyle:
like, I'm out.
00:39:44.050 --> 00:39:44.889
Kyle:
I'm done.
00:39:44.889 --> 00:39:45.929
Kyle:
I can't do that.
00:39:45.929 --> 00:39:47.409
Kyle:
That's not me.
00:39:47.409 --> 00:39:48.289
Kyle:
It's not me.
00:39:48.630 --> 00:39:51.030
Wes:
That's a good, solid outlook, I
think.
00:39:51.030 --> 00:39:54.449
Wes:
Yeah, so many people give up and
they don't think that there's
00:39:54.449 --> 00:39:55.869
Wes:
another way of doing things.
00:39:55.869 --> 00:39:57.309
Wes:
And, uh.
00:39:57.309 --> 00:40:01.030
Wes:
What, uh, have you ever, uh, any
00:40:01.030 --> 00:40:03.289
Wes:
mistakes in the job that's, uh,
00:40:03.289 --> 00:40:05.650
Wes:
changed anything like when you
00:40:05.650 --> 00:40:05.949
Wes:
were.
00:40:05.949 --> 00:40:08.030
Wes:
You've been doing this for a
long time, have you?
00:40:08.030 --> 00:40:10.630
Wes:
Uh, I always seem to like over a
00:40:10.630 --> 00:40:12.190
Wes:
span of doing something, I make
00:40:12.190 --> 00:40:13.750
Wes:
mistakes, and I get better at
00:40:13.750 --> 00:40:14.630
Wes:
something.
00:40:14.630 --> 00:40:16.030
Wes:
Is there any early mistakes that
00:40:16.030 --> 00:40:17.809
Wes:
changed the way you approach
00:40:17.809 --> 00:40:18.989
Wes:
your job?
00:40:18.789 --> 00:40:20.309
Kyle:
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:20.309 --> 00:40:23.070
Kyle:
So, uh, my friend, I was talking
about Joshua Keith.
00:40:23.070 --> 00:40:26.789
Kyle:
He, uh, I you work on a scope
00:40:26.789 --> 00:40:29.210
Kyle:
and an assist in our, uh,
00:40:29.210 --> 00:40:29.909
Kyle:
busiest position.
00:40:29.909 --> 00:40:31.269
Kyle:
It's actually called war, which
00:40:31.269 --> 00:40:33.070
Kyle:
is badass name for the position,
00:40:33.070 --> 00:40:34.110
Kyle:
but it's west approached
00:40:34.110 --> 00:40:35.170
Kyle:
arrival, so they use the
00:40:35.170 --> 00:40:35.550
Kyle:
acronym.
00:40:35.550 --> 00:40:36.150
Kyle:
Right?
00:40:36.150 --> 00:40:36.989
Kyle:
Okay, okay.
00:40:36.989 --> 00:40:38.030
Kyle:
Go and get war.
00:40:38.030 --> 00:40:38.869
Kyle:
It's awesome.
00:40:38.710 --> 00:40:39.469
Wes:
That is sweet.
00:40:39.469 --> 00:40:40.349
Wes:
The war room.
00:40:40.349 --> 00:40:41.070
Wes:
Yeah.
00:40:40.909 --> 00:40:42.269
Kyle:
So I got out of war assist.
00:40:42.269 --> 00:40:43.829
Kyle:
I finished got raided in that
position.
00:40:43.829 --> 00:40:44.909
Kyle:
I got moved to war.
00:40:44.909 --> 00:40:49.019
Kyle:
And I'm sitting in there my
first day as a ward trainee, and
00:40:49.019 --> 00:40:50.659
Kyle:
me and Josh have a good rapport
at this time.
00:40:50.659 --> 00:40:53.940
Kyle:
We've become friends and
everything like that, and he was
00:40:53.940 --> 00:40:58.699
Kyle:
trusting me to do what was right
and I had a text and go down.
00:40:58.699 --> 00:41:00.900
Kyle:
It's a T6, it's our little prop
plane.
00:41:00.900 --> 00:41:04.179
Kyle:
He was going to GT-R, just
another tower controlled airport
00:41:04.179 --> 00:41:07.500
Kyle:
in my airspace, and he was doing
a practice approach.
00:41:07.500 --> 00:41:09.539
Kyle:
So what he does is he comes in,
00:41:09.539 --> 00:41:10.980
Kyle:
shoots his approach, goes right
00:41:10.980 --> 00:41:12.460
Kyle:
over the top of the airport and
00:41:12.460 --> 00:41:13.619
Kyle:
comes back off and comes out the
00:41:13.619 --> 00:41:14.619
Kyle:
other way.
00:41:14.619 --> 00:41:14.980
Kyle:
Yeah.
00:41:14.980 --> 00:41:17.539
Kyle:
Well, in air traffic control,
you have have one thousand feet.
00:41:17.539 --> 00:41:19.300
Kyle:
Like I was telling you the other
day, one thousand feet, top and
00:41:19.300 --> 00:41:22.260
Kyle:
bottom, if they are called
what's called IFR, okay.
00:41:22.099 --> 00:41:23.300
Wes:
Space from each other.
00:41:23.300 --> 00:41:23.780
Wes:
Okay.
00:41:23.619 --> 00:41:26.460
Kyle:
So I need to have one thousand
feet above, one thousand feet
00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:28.099
Kyle:
below and three miles laterally.
00:41:28.099 --> 00:41:31.099
Kyle:
Uh, for those guys that want
that kind of service from you.
00:41:30.940 --> 00:41:31.860
Wes:
So okay.
00:41:31.699 --> 00:41:34.219
Kyle:
So they ask for that service, we
give them that service.
00:41:34.219 --> 00:41:38.500
Kyle:
Um, and this guy, he came off
his radar, he comes down, comes
00:41:38.500 --> 00:41:39.900
Kyle:
across, and he's coming.
00:41:39.900 --> 00:41:42.460
Kyle:
He's flying on a two seventy
climb to three thousand feet.
00:41:42.500 --> 00:41:43.019
Wes:
Yeah.
00:41:42.860 --> 00:41:44.320
Kyle:
I had another Texan over here
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:45.739
Kyle:
that was going to supposed to
00:41:45.739 --> 00:41:47.239
Kyle:
overfly the airport and get to
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:48.079
Kyle:
the base.
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:49.719
Kyle:
I dropped him to three as well.
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:50.480
Wes:
Okay.
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.039
Kyle:
So now I have two planes going
at each other like this.
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:54.599
Wes:
Okay. Yeah. They're coming at
each other.
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:55.199
Wes:
Yep.
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:55.920
Kyle:
He trusted me.
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:57.440
Kyle:
He thought I he didn't.
00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:58.840
Kyle:
He assumed that I was going to
00:41:58.840 --> 00:41:59.800
Kyle:
do what was supposed to do and
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:00.360
Kyle:
fix it.
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:01.639
Kyle:
And I froze.
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:02.480
Kyle:
I froze.
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:03.679
Wes:
Oh, man.
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.519
Kyle:
And he had to jump in and fix it
real quick.
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:06.760
Kyle:
He kicked me out of position.
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:09.840
Kyle:
And it's he.
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:12.000
Kyle:
He was pissed off at me.
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:13.360
Kyle:
But.
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.639
Kyle:
And this is my supervisor.
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:17.039
Kyle:
No, it's just one of my good
friends.
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:18.000
Wes:
Okay. Okay, okay.
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:18.440
Wes:
Yeah.
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:20.000
Kyle:
Every single person's a trainer.
00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:20.840
Wes:
Yeah. Okay.
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:21.559
Kyle:
People in positions.
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:23.880
Wes:
So you have someone over
watching your work, too?
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:24.239
Wes:
As you.
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:24.639
Wes:
As you.
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:24.920
Wes:
Okay.
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:25.360
Wes:
Okay.
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.440
Kyle:
Yeah. There's always somebody
else watching you and making
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:28.639
Kyle:
sure you're good to go.
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:29.159
Kyle:
But he was.
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:29.920
Kyle:
I was the trainee.
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:31.239
Kyle:
He was the trainer watching me.
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:32.719
Kyle:
And I made a mistake.
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:35.440
Kyle:
And he thought I was better than
that.
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:37.679
Kyle:
So he was kind of like he was
mad at me.
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:38.239
Kyle:
Don't get me wrong.
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:39.039
Kyle:
He's mad as hell.
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:40.039
Kyle:
He kicked me out of position.
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:40.599
Kyle:
He unplugged me.
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:43.420
Kyle:
He's like, go, get out and fix
it real quick.
00:42:44.179 --> 00:42:44.820
Wes:
Oh, it.
00:42:44.619 --> 00:42:46.900
Kyle:
Was the first time he ever had
to issue a traffic alert.
00:42:46.900 --> 00:42:49.500
Kyle:
And I could almost guarantee you
it was the last time he ever had
00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:50.380
Kyle:
an issue with traffic alert.
00:42:50.380 --> 00:42:52.820
Kyle:
And what that is, is like
there's a situation happening.
00:42:52.659 --> 00:42:53.219
Wes:
Yeah.
00:42:53.059 --> 00:42:55.179
Kyle:
You say a specific set of
phraseology to get the planes to
00:42:55.179 --> 00:42:56.380
Kyle:
do something immediately.
00:42:56.219 --> 00:42:57.500
Wes:
Okay, okay.
00:42:57.500 --> 00:42:59.380
Wes:
Uh, some evasive action.
00:42:59.380 --> 00:42:59.699
Wes:
Okay.
00:42:59.699 --> 00:43:00.539
Wes:
I got you.
00:43:00.699 --> 00:43:01.619
Kyle:
So that was the first time he
00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:03.619
Kyle:
ever had an issue that he came
00:43:03.619 --> 00:43:04.179
Kyle:
out.
00:43:04.500 --> 00:43:06.139
Wes:
Does this mean someone messed
up?
00:43:06.139 --> 00:43:06.500
Wes:
Okay.
00:43:06.500 --> 00:43:07.179
Wes:
Oh, yeah.
00:43:08.179 --> 00:43:10.179
Kyle:
Dude, I was sulking.
00:43:10.179 --> 00:43:11.420
Kyle:
I was I was still young.
00:43:11.420 --> 00:43:12.019
Kyle:
I was.
00:43:12.219 --> 00:43:14.579
Wes:
Yeah. No one likes making
mistakes.
00:43:14.579 --> 00:43:16.699
Kyle:
I was pissed that I was like,
why?
00:43:16.699 --> 00:43:17.420
Kyle:
Why did I do that?
00:43:17.420 --> 00:43:19.179
Kyle:
That's the dumbest shit ever.
00:43:19.179 --> 00:43:21.980
Kyle:
And he's like, hey, it's a great
achievement.
00:43:21.980 --> 00:43:23.320
Kyle:
That's the first ever traffic or
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:24.179
Kyle:
traffic alert I've ever had to
00:43:24.179 --> 00:43:24.340
Kyle:
give.
00:43:24.340 --> 00:43:25.500
Kyle:
I was like, yeah, dude, I'm so
sorry.
00:43:25.500 --> 00:43:25.940
Kyle:
I'm so sorry.
00:43:25.940 --> 00:43:26.420
Kyle:
I'm so sorry.
00:43:26.420 --> 00:43:28.139
Kyle:
He's like, hey, are you going to
do that again?
00:43:28.139 --> 00:43:29.860
Kyle:
I was like, no, I know I said
00:43:29.860 --> 00:43:32.139
Kyle:
no, I will make sure that never
00:43:32.139 --> 00:43:32.659
Kyle:
happens again.
00:43:32.659 --> 00:43:34.340
Kyle:
He's like, all right then we're
good.
00:43:34.340 --> 00:43:35.900
Kyle:
Don't do that shit again.
00:43:35.900 --> 00:43:38.340
Kyle:
So I took that mindset from him.
00:43:38.340 --> 00:43:41.079
Kyle:
It's like, ah, yeah, hey, quit
your bitch and it's over.
00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:41.880
Kyle:
Don't do that shit again.
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:42.760
Kyle:
Let's move on.
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:43.880
Wes:
That's a good leader.
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:45.960
Kyle:
Looks like you've kept me moving
forward.
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:48.440
Kyle:
So then I created a technique
that I knew every time would
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:49.400
Kyle:
work, no matter what.
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:51.960
Kyle:
If I kept an aircraft at for a
Texan at four on the west side
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:55.400
Kyle:
of GT-R, I would always be okay.
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:57.599
Kyle:
Because just in case I miss it
00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:58.639
Kyle:
and I'm getting I'm getting
00:43:58.639 --> 00:43:59.360
Kyle:
briefed in.
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:00.840
Kyle:
And I miss them telling me that
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:01.920
Kyle:
there's a guy coming off to the
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:03.159
Kyle:
west climb to three, because
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:04.199
Kyle:
that's just the altitude that we
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:05.679
Kyle:
always do.
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:07.920
Kyle:
I know, and I make sure that guy
goes at four.
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:10.639
Kyle:
He gets over the top of the
airport or the airport.
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:12.400
Kyle:
Drop him, go bring him back in.
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:17.280
Kyle:
So yeah, that was a huge moment
for me.
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:22.000
Kyle:
And learning how to like I beat
myself to death.
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.679
Kyle:
When I make a mistake, I think
about it forever.
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:28.760
Kyle:
I say something stupid at some
point in time, and I feel like
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:31.119
Kyle:
I'll think about it for months.
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:31.840
Kyle:
If I do.
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:32.480
Wes:
Something stupid.
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:34.039
Kyle:
I'll think about it, I really
will.
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:36.159
Wes:
But then I do that with mistakes
I made.
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:39.320
Wes:
What should I have done to get a
different outcome than I wanted?
00:44:39.190 --> 00:44:39.909
Kyle:
one hundred percent.
00:44:39.909 --> 00:44:41.309
Kyle:
But him telling me he's like.
00:44:41.110 --> 00:44:42.550
Wes:
Hey, I think that's an
important.
00:44:42.349 --> 00:44:43.030
Kyle:
Get over it, man.
00:44:43.030 --> 00:44:43.349
Kyle:
Move on.
00:44:43.349 --> 00:44:44.030
Kyle:
It's over.
00:44:44.030 --> 00:44:44.349
Kyle:
All right.
00:44:44.349 --> 00:44:45.269
Kyle:
Yeah, you're right.
00:44:45.269 --> 00:44:46.909
Kyle:
I need to be better.
00:44:46.909 --> 00:44:49.389
Kyle:
I will be better and I won't do
that shit again.
00:44:49.389 --> 00:44:51.670
Kyle:
That was a that was a big one.
00:44:51.670 --> 00:44:52.949
Kyle:
I felt like such an idiot.
00:44:52.949 --> 00:44:55.349
Kyle:
And it was one of my friends
that I did that to like.
00:44:55.349 --> 00:44:56.789
Kyle:
I'm working with him.
00:44:56.789 --> 00:44:58.670
Kyle:
His ratings are on the line.
00:44:58.670 --> 00:44:59.309
Kyle:
He's watching me.
00:44:59.309 --> 00:44:59.989
Kyle:
They're called ratings.
00:44:59.989 --> 00:45:02.710
Kyle:
So when you earn a position, you
get rated there.
00:45:02.710 --> 00:45:07.070
Kyle:
And if he's him watching me, if
I make a mistake, it's on him so
00:45:07.070 --> 00:45:08.590
Kyle:
he can lose those ratings.
00:45:08.469 --> 00:45:09.429
Wes:
Absolutely.
00:45:09.269 --> 00:45:10.150
Kyle:
You lose them enough.
00:45:10.150 --> 00:45:10.469
Kyle:
Guess what?
00:45:10.469 --> 00:45:12.829
Kyle:
You're not anymore an air
traffic controller.
00:45:13.829 --> 00:45:14.150
Kyle:
You.
00:45:14.150 --> 00:45:14.989
Kyle:
They will kick you right out of
00:45:14.989 --> 00:45:16.150
Kyle:
the career field if you make
00:45:16.150 --> 00:45:17.309
Kyle:
mistake after mistake after
00:45:17.309 --> 00:45:18.469
Kyle:
mistake.
00:45:18.469 --> 00:45:20.469
Kyle:
So that's why it really hits
home with controllers when
00:45:20.469 --> 00:45:23.389
Kyle:
they're like, that's why it's so
important to know what you're
00:45:23.389 --> 00:45:25.550
Kyle:
supposed to know and do things
the right way.
00:45:25.550 --> 00:45:29.110
Kyle:
Because you could either put two
planes together.
00:45:29.110 --> 00:45:31.030
Kyle:
Yes, you could royally screw up.
00:45:31.030 --> 00:45:33.349
Kyle:
Somebody's trying to get home to
their kids.
00:45:33.349 --> 00:45:34.550
Kyle:
You could make it.
00:45:34.550 --> 00:45:38.250
Kyle:
It's so important to be on the
ball all the time, because.
00:45:38.250 --> 00:45:40.869
Kyle:
And then at the end of the day,
I've got a wife and kids I got
00:45:40.869 --> 00:45:42.010
Kyle:
to take care of.
00:45:42.010 --> 00:45:44.130
Kyle:
So I'm gonna do not want to lose
my ratings.
00:45:44.130 --> 00:45:45.929
Kyle:
I do not want to make a mistake.
00:45:45.929 --> 00:45:49.090
Kyle:
Because if I do it enough, my
ass is on the street and I have
00:45:49.090 --> 00:45:51.929
Kyle:
no air traffic doesn't
necessarily go very well with
00:45:51.929 --> 00:45:53.010
Kyle:
any other job.
00:45:53.010 --> 00:45:53.210
Kyle:
Like.
00:45:53.210 --> 00:45:54.210
Kyle:
Yeah, people.
00:45:54.210 --> 00:45:56.369
Kyle:
Some people know, like, it's a
stressful job, right?
00:45:56.170 --> 00:45:57.570
Wes:
You won't be able to.
00:45:57.489 --> 00:45:58.170
Kyle:
But it means.
00:45:58.210 --> 00:45:59.809
Wes:
Dispatch enough dump trucks.
00:45:59.809 --> 00:46:01.829
Wes:
Like it won't be like doing the
00:46:01.829 --> 00:46:03.289
Wes:
your skill set won't be
00:46:03.289 --> 00:46:04.090
Wes:
optimized.
00:46:04.090 --> 00:46:06.010
Wes:
Yeah, I see what you're like.
00:46:05.809 --> 00:46:08.849
Kyle:
Hey, I'm really good at handling
stressful situations.
00:46:08.849 --> 00:46:09.170
Kyle:
All right.
00:46:09.170 --> 00:46:09.409
Kyle:
Cool.
00:46:09.409 --> 00:46:11.449
Kyle:
So is that guy apparently with
his resume, too.
00:46:11.449 --> 00:46:14.090
Kyle:
So it's like I. Yeah, can't
00:46:14.090 --> 00:46:15.849
Kyle:
afford to sit back and sulk
00:46:15.849 --> 00:46:16.329
Kyle:
anymore.
00:46:16.329 --> 00:46:17.610
Kyle:
And Josh taught me that.
00:46:17.610 --> 00:46:18.730
Kyle:
Hey, move on, man.
00:46:18.730 --> 00:46:19.570
Kyle:
Be a leader.
00:46:19.570 --> 00:46:20.610
Kyle:
Do what you got to do.
00:46:20.969 --> 00:46:24.329
Wes:
So that sounds like humility
plays a role in that.
00:46:24.170 --> 00:46:25.250
Kyle:
And you have.
00:46:25.050 --> 00:46:27.610
Wes:
To be you got your core
principles.
00:46:27.610 --> 00:46:30.090
Wes:
What you need to, uh, what
you're out doing this for.
00:46:30.090 --> 00:46:32.889
Wes:
I think that, uh, you're as
focused in that.
00:46:32.889 --> 00:46:35.170
Wes:
And that just keeps you going to
the right decision.
00:46:35.170 --> 00:46:39.030
Wes:
You know, you you made your
adjustments and then moved on.
00:46:38.869 --> 00:46:40.269
Kyle:
There's times I'm working.
00:46:40.269 --> 00:46:41.789
Kyle:
I might not know something if
00:46:41.789 --> 00:46:44.070
Kyle:
somebody tells me or like, let's
00:46:44.070 --> 00:46:45.389
Kyle:
say I have two planes doing
00:46:45.389 --> 00:46:46.510
Kyle:
something and like, it's not
00:46:46.510 --> 00:46:47.829
Kyle:
going to it's not going to work
00:46:47.829 --> 00:46:48.030
Kyle:
out.
00:46:48.030 --> 00:46:48.710
Kyle:
They're not going to hit.
00:46:48.710 --> 00:46:51.349
Kyle:
But if I'll lose my three miles
or I'll lose my one thousand
00:46:51.349 --> 00:46:54.070
Kyle:
feet, which is a loss of ratings
if I got it.
00:46:54.070 --> 00:46:57.190
Kyle:
Doesn't matter if I like person
X sitting over here.
00:46:57.190 --> 00:46:59.710
Kyle:
Hey, you need to do this because
of this.
00:46:59.710 --> 00:47:01.030
Kyle:
Oh. Oh, yeah.
00:47:01.030 --> 00:47:01.750
Kyle:
Thanks, man.
00:47:01.750 --> 00:47:02.349
Kyle:
I'll fix it.
00:47:02.349 --> 00:47:05.349
Kyle:
It doesn't matter if I dislike
the person outside of the room
00:47:05.349 --> 00:47:07.349
Kyle:
or anything like that, but when
we're in there, we.
00:47:07.349 --> 00:47:09.110
Kyle:
You have to have each other's
backs.
00:47:09.110 --> 00:47:09.949
Kyle:
There's no question about it.
00:47:09.949 --> 00:47:11.150
Kyle:
There's people that hate me that
00:47:11.150 --> 00:47:14.190
Kyle:
I work with, that they will if I
00:47:14.190 --> 00:47:14.949
Kyle:
tell them they need to do
00:47:14.949 --> 00:47:15.989
Kyle:
something while I'm in that
00:47:15.989 --> 00:47:17.989
Kyle:
spot, I'm doing it to protect
00:47:17.989 --> 00:47:18.590
Kyle:
them.
00:47:18.590 --> 00:47:19.349
Kyle:
And they.
00:47:19.349 --> 00:47:19.670
Kyle:
Yeah.
00:47:19.670 --> 00:47:20.230
Kyle:
Oh. Thanks, man.
00:47:20.230 --> 00:47:20.909
Kyle:
Didn't see it.
00:47:20.710 --> 00:47:22.269
Wes:
You have to play part of the
team.
00:47:22.269 --> 00:47:23.429
Wes:
Yeah, absolutely.
00:47:23.389 --> 00:47:24.550
Kyle:
Team concept.
00:47:24.349 --> 00:47:26.070
Wes:
And, uh, that's the only way I
00:47:26.070 --> 00:47:27.590
Wes:
think a lot of the military is
00:47:27.590 --> 00:47:29.349
Wes:
that it's the it's the only way
00:47:29.349 --> 00:47:32.530
Wes:
in my idea is, um, so when you
00:47:32.530 --> 00:47:35.010
Wes:
hear the the phrase controlled
00:47:35.010 --> 00:47:35.610
Wes:
chaos.
00:47:35.610 --> 00:47:36.489
Wes:
I love hearing that.
00:47:36.489 --> 00:47:38.849
Wes:
What what what does that mean to
you?
00:47:39.010 --> 00:47:40.929
Kyle:
Uh, so that's on our.
00:47:40.809 --> 00:47:42.369
Wes:
And where does it apply?
00:47:42.369 --> 00:47:44.849
Kyle:
So that's our that's on our,
like, little Columbus Air Force
00:47:44.849 --> 00:47:46.130
Kyle:
Base air traffic control coin.
00:47:46.130 --> 00:47:47.449
Kyle:
I think it's Imperium Chao.
00:47:47.449 --> 00:47:49.530
Kyle:
I don't have the coin on me,
unfortunately, which I will get
00:47:49.530 --> 00:47:50.369
Kyle:
you one of those.
00:47:50.570 --> 00:47:52.090
Wes:
Uh, that would be cool.
00:47:53.329 --> 00:47:56.170
Kyle:
What it is, is I am working one
00:47:56.170 --> 00:47:58.929
Kyle:
of the busiest chunks of
00:47:58.929 --> 00:48:01.090
Kyle:
airspace in the entire Air
00:48:01.090 --> 00:48:01.929
Kyle:
Force.
00:48:01.929 --> 00:48:03.329
Kyle:
As far as number of planes is
00:48:03.329 --> 00:48:05.409
Kyle:
concerned and how many ops we
00:48:05.409 --> 00:48:06.489
Kyle:
work annually.
00:48:07.489 --> 00:48:08.849
Kyle:
We like everybody at their own
facility.
00:48:08.849 --> 00:48:09.690
Kyle:
Does traffic count?
00:48:09.690 --> 00:48:10.530
Kyle:
I think it's skewed.
00:48:10.530 --> 00:48:11.849
Kyle:
We work more planes in a smaller
00:48:11.849 --> 00:48:12.730
Kyle:
period than a lot of other
00:48:12.730 --> 00:48:13.050
Kyle:
people.
00:48:13.050 --> 00:48:15.449
Kyle:
But anyway, there's some rivalry
on that.
00:48:15.449 --> 00:48:18.809
Kyle:
But in my opinion, it's the
busiest, even talking to my
00:48:18.809 --> 00:48:19.730
Kyle:
friends about it.
00:48:19.730 --> 00:48:22.449
Kyle:
So in that while you're working
00:48:22.449 --> 00:48:23.730
Kyle:
all those planes, every single
00:48:23.730 --> 00:48:26.489
Kyle:
one of those pilots is a
00:48:26.489 --> 00:48:27.849
Kyle:
student.
00:48:27.849 --> 00:48:29.269
Kyle:
So they are also learning how to
00:48:29.269 --> 00:48:30.650
Kyle:
fly a plane while I'm teaching
00:48:30.650 --> 00:48:31.650
Kyle:
somebody to learn how to work
00:48:31.650 --> 00:48:33.159
Kyle:
air traffic.
00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:34.280
Kyle:
So now you have two students
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:36.920
Kyle:
talking to each other and a
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:37.960
Kyle:
couple million dollar piece of
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:38.840
Kyle:
equipment flying through the
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:39.199
Kyle:
air.
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:40.480
Kyle:
Imagine that couple million
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:41.559
Kyle:
dollar piece of equipment right
00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:43.039
Kyle:
here and their lives are in your
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:43.840
Kyle:
hands.
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:46.119
Wes:
Yes. So you got to keep them
going.
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:47.199
Kyle:
Forth, and they like this.
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:48.360
Kyle:
The student might say something
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:49.800
Kyle:
stupid and my trainee might say
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:51.000
Kyle:
something stupid, and they're
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:52.119
Kyle:
going to put themselves in a bad
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:53.000
Kyle:
situation.
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:56.519
Kyle:
And then you got all that going
on with the whole bunch of
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.400
Kyle:
aircraft, and it is chaos.
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:04.320
Kyle:
It's if you walk in, it is utter
chaos, but it's controlled.
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:07.199
Kyle:
We are in control of the whole
situation.
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:09.760
Kyle:
We can have six different pilots
asking me to do, I want to do X,
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:12.079
Kyle:
I want to do Y, I want to do Z.
And this one's like trying to
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:13.119
Kyle:
talk over them.
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:14.079
Kyle:
I'm listening to both.
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:15.599
Kyle:
I can hear them both.
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:16.880
Kyle:
And so it's super chaotic.
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:19.960
Kyle:
Like if they were there by
themselves they couldn't do it.
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:20.960
Kyle:
So that's the chaos in it.
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:23.599
Kyle:
It's like their request, what
they want to do is the chaos.
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:24.320
Wes:
They need the.
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:25.920
Kyle:
Control of it.
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:27.280
Kyle:
I love that.
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:28.239
Kyle:
I think it was my friend Tony.
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:30.559
Kyle:
I don't know where he got it
from, but he was the the one who
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:32.619
Kyle:
helped design our coins.
00:49:32.619 --> 00:49:36.699
Kyle:
Uh, and it's like I was like,
dude, that makes perfect sense,
00:49:36.699 --> 00:49:37.699
Kyle:
I love that.
00:49:38.739 --> 00:49:42.380
Wes:
So what does, uh, preparation
really mean?
00:49:42.380 --> 00:49:43.980
Wes:
Like being prepared.
00:49:44.619 --> 00:49:45.059
Kyle:
Uh.
00:49:45.820 --> 00:49:46.460
Wes:
Like how much?
00:49:46.460 --> 00:49:48.380
Wes:
Or is it just constantly
changing?
00:49:48.380 --> 00:49:49.659
Wes:
We're.
00:49:49.659 --> 00:49:52.380
Wes:
You're always on the fly having
to make adjustments.
00:49:52.420 --> 00:49:54.820
Kyle:
Um, my preparation was my
00:49:54.820 --> 00:49:56.420
Kyle:
training to get to where I was
00:49:56.420 --> 00:49:57.059
Kyle:
now.
00:49:57.059 --> 00:49:59.340
Kyle:
Things do change constantly, but
00:49:59.340 --> 00:50:00.500
Kyle:
I don't have to go in the room
00:50:00.500 --> 00:50:01.739
Kyle:
or the building anymore and
00:50:01.739 --> 00:50:02.619
Kyle:
think.
00:50:02.619 --> 00:50:04.139
Kyle:
And, like, I have to open the
book.
00:50:04.139 --> 00:50:06.539
Kyle:
I have to study, I have to
study, I have to study.
00:50:06.539 --> 00:50:07.699
Kyle:
I worked my ass off at that
00:50:07.699 --> 00:50:09.440
Kyle:
point in time, way back then,
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:10.619
Kyle:
that I'm.
00:50:10.619 --> 00:50:12.539
Kyle:
I know everything I need to know
and everything.
00:50:12.659 --> 00:50:15.539
Wes:
You know, most of the rules, but
I'm always prepared.
00:50:15.340 --> 00:50:18.139
Kyle:
I work like, as if I am busy all
the time.
00:50:18.139 --> 00:50:19.780
Kyle:
I tell that to every trainee.
00:50:19.780 --> 00:50:20.780
Kyle:
Work like you're busy.
00:50:20.780 --> 00:50:21.739
Kyle:
You can be talking to two
00:50:21.739 --> 00:50:23.260
Kyle:
planes, have the same amount of
00:50:23.260 --> 00:50:25.139
Kyle:
energy, talking to those two
00:50:25.139 --> 00:50:26.179
Kyle:
planes, making sure those two
00:50:26.179 --> 00:50:27.559
Kyle:
planes are safe as you do with
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:28.559
Kyle:
ten.
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:30.440
Kyle:
You have to always pretend like
you're busy.
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:33.039
Kyle:
Otherwise you're going to make a
mistake.
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:34.679
Kyle:
That's the number one reason
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:36.360
Kyle:
people, more people lose their
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:37.760
Kyle:
ratings with like two or three
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:38.679
Kyle:
planes than they do when they
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:40.139
Kyle:
have fifteen to twenty or ten to
00:50:40.139 --> 00:50:41.199
Kyle:
fifteen, whatever.
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:42.840
Kyle:
When you have ten to fifteen,
you're in it.
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:45.320
Kyle:
You're you're working your ass
off.
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:46.400
Kyle:
You're moving your eyes over
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:47.239
Kyle:
here, you're listening over
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:47.480
Kyle:
here.
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:48.400
Kyle:
You're doing whatever you got to
00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:51.079
Kyle:
do over here, but you're making
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:52.000
Kyle:
the right calls and you're
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:52.800
Kyle:
paying attention.
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:54.280
Kyle:
You're super attentive.
00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:56.119
Kyle:
You get down to two or three
planes and I'm thinking, well, I
00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:57.780
Kyle:
don't have to worry about
watching these guys that much
00:50:57.780 --> 00:50:59.400
Kyle:
because there's no way, right?
00:50:59.360 --> 00:50:59.920
Wes:
Yeah.
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:01.280
Kyle:
That's when people fuck up the
most.
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:02.599
Kyle:
One hundred percent.
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:04.719
Kyle:
I've seen a guy who's just sit
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.039
Kyle:
in a position by himself, his
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:10.599
Kyle:
backs turned, and this one of
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:11.880
Kyle:
our jets coming back home late
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:12.800
Kyle:
at night.
00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:14.360
Kyle:
He's going from this point to
here.
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:16.880
Kyle:
And the only plane on our scope
that we were actually talking to
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:19.199
Kyle:
is one of our jets coming back.
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:20.119
Kyle:
He wasn't paying attention.
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:22.440
Kyle:
He assumed everything was going
to be perfectly fine.
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.079
Kyle:
Well, this plane and this little
it's called VFR.
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:27.019
Kyle:
So, like, if you have your
pilot's license.
00:51:27.019 --> 00:51:28.980
Kyle:
You can go and fly, and you
don't have to talk to me.
00:51:28.980 --> 00:51:30.579
Kyle:
As long as the weather's good
enough, you can.
00:51:30.420 --> 00:51:31.460
Wes:
Okay. Like us.
00:51:31.460 --> 00:51:33.980
Wes:
I think you got to keep within
fifty miles, right?
00:51:33.980 --> 00:51:35.579
Wes:
Uh. Recreation pilot?
00:51:35.420 --> 00:51:38.380
Kyle:
Not necessarily, but there's all
kinds of rules to it.
00:51:38.380 --> 00:51:39.579
Kyle:
But you can just do whatever you
want.
00:51:39.579 --> 00:51:40.019
Kyle:
Really?
00:51:40.019 --> 00:51:40.699
Kyle:
Okay, just.
00:51:40.699 --> 00:51:42.019
Kyle:
You just don't need me.
00:51:42.019 --> 00:51:44.059
Kyle:
And their job, when you're doing
that, your job is to see and
00:51:44.059 --> 00:51:45.059
Kyle:
avoid all the other aircraft.
00:51:45.059 --> 00:51:45.820
Kyle:
It's on you.
00:51:45.659 --> 00:51:46.019
Wes:
Okay?
00:51:46.019 --> 00:51:47.260
Wes:
There's no instruments.
00:51:47.260 --> 00:51:49.860
Wes:
It's just cruising around,
flying visually.
00:51:49.860 --> 00:51:50.260
Wes:
Yeah.
00:51:50.099 --> 00:51:52.619
Kyle:
Okay, so those guys, all they
00:51:52.619 --> 00:51:53.840
Kyle:
look at, like on our scope, is
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:55.539
Kyle:
like a little V and it'll show
00:51:55.539 --> 00:51:56.699
Kyle:
their altitude.
00:51:56.699 --> 00:51:57.699
Kyle:
It's an indicated altitude.
00:51:57.699 --> 00:51:59.780
Kyle:
It's not a confirmed altitude.
00:51:59.780 --> 00:52:02.739
Kyle:
But this guy VFR just flies from
this side of the airspace to
00:52:02.739 --> 00:52:04.139
Kyle:
this side of the airspace.
00:52:04.139 --> 00:52:05.420
Kyle:
While one of our jets coming
00:52:05.420 --> 00:52:06.920
Kyle:
back, he wasn't paying
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:07.340
Kyle:
attention.
00:52:07.340 --> 00:52:09.460
Kyle:
He had one plane and lost his
ratings.
00:52:09.659 --> 00:52:10.500
Wes:
Oh, man.
00:52:10.340 --> 00:52:12.460
Kyle:
It's. I tell that story.
00:52:12.380 --> 00:52:13.300
Wes:
And you lose your rating.
00:52:13.300 --> 00:52:13.699
Wes:
That's it.
00:52:13.699 --> 00:52:14.579
Wes:
You're out of.
00:52:14.380 --> 00:52:15.460
Kyle:
Luck if you do it enough.
00:52:15.460 --> 00:52:16.940
Kyle:
And that was that was it for
him.
00:52:16.940 --> 00:52:17.780
Kyle:
That was his.
00:52:17.780 --> 00:52:21.260
Wes:
Man. So there's no. And then
you're on the civilian side
00:52:21.260 --> 00:52:22.500
Wes:
where you have no contract.
00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:23.980
Wes:
You don't have anything else to
do.
00:52:23.980 --> 00:52:24.659
Wes:
Right.
00:52:24.699 --> 00:52:27.900
Kyle:
So he was an E-6 and he was air
traffic control his entire
00:52:27.900 --> 00:52:29.159
Kyle:
career leading up to that point.
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.119
Kyle:
And they kicked his ass out.
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:33.119
Kyle:
They sent him out of the Air
Force, but they kicked him out
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:37.360
Kyle:
of the facility, sent him off to
do bullshit work somewhere
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:40.280
Kyle:
across the base because he just
couldn't do it.
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:40.760
Kyle:
They didn't.
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:42.760
Kyle:
He was a liability to everybody.
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:43.800
Wes:
Yeah.
00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:44.840
Kyle:
And you don't want that.
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:46.360
Kyle:
I always say, dude, be prepared.
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:48.519
Kyle:
Be work like you are busy.
00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:49.880
Kyle:
Don't want that to be you.
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:54.920
Wes:
Absolutely. Uh, so life, I mean,
like, stuff outside.
00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:58.820
Wes:
And when you get home, uh, life
outside the tower, I guess, uh,
00:52:58.820 --> 00:53:00.840
Wes:
how do you turn the job off?
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:02.400
Wes:
Like, uh, you know, it's
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:04.199
Wes:
stressful, and you just go out
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:06.000
Wes:
and grab lunch and then, uh, you
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:07.920
Wes:
have more stressful situations
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:09.880
Wes:
than, uh, how do you turn it off
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:12.159
Wes:
when you go home and play the
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:13.079
Wes:
family Guy?
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:14.519
Kyle:
Uh, it took a while to figure
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:15.519
Kyle:
out how to do that, to be honest
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:16.519
Kyle:
with you.
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:17.320
Kyle:
And it's kind of hard.
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:19.599
Kyle:
I'm in a text group with my
friends that I work with, and
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:21.840
Kyle:
we, like, talk about shit that
happens at work and that, like,
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:23.159
Kyle:
brings it back in, but I.
00:53:23.789 --> 00:53:24.590
Wes:
I always.
00:53:25.230 --> 00:53:26.389
Kyle:
I always tell everybody I was
00:53:26.389 --> 00:53:27.429
Kyle:
like, hey, when you walk through
00:53:27.429 --> 00:53:28.550
Kyle:
those doors, when you walk into
00:53:28.550 --> 00:53:30.269
Kyle:
those doors, it's all about air
00:53:30.269 --> 00:53:30.710
Kyle:
traffic.
00:53:30.710 --> 00:53:32.150
Kyle:
It's all about it.
00:53:32.150 --> 00:53:33.949
Kyle:
When you walk out those doors,
00:53:33.949 --> 00:53:35.349
Kyle:
all that shit stays in that
00:53:35.349 --> 00:53:36.269
Kyle:
building.
00:53:36.269 --> 00:53:37.349
Kyle:
Let it go.
00:53:37.349 --> 00:53:39.269
Kyle:
People have a lot of things
going on in their life.
00:53:39.269 --> 00:53:42.349
Kyle:
Everybody's going through
something hard and people are
00:53:42.349 --> 00:53:45.429
Kyle:
getting somebody might be
getting divorced, or they might
00:53:45.429 --> 00:53:47.989
Kyle:
their dog might have just passed
away or something like that.
00:53:47.989 --> 00:53:50.809
Kyle:
But as soon as you walk in that
building and you sit down on
00:53:50.809 --> 00:53:55.550
Kyle:
that scope, the fact that you're
getting a divorce is irrelevant
00:53:55.550 --> 00:53:56.269
Kyle:
when it comes to you.
00:53:56.269 --> 00:53:57.949
Kyle:
Just put two planes together.
00:53:57.949 --> 00:53:59.070
Kyle:
You shouldn't have done that.
00:53:58.909 --> 00:54:00.110
Wes:
Absolutely.
00:54:00.510 --> 00:54:03.710
Kyle:
Uh, so it's like you just leave
it at the door and.
00:54:03.869 --> 00:54:05.989
Wes:
You have to put it behind you
and be professional.
00:54:05.989 --> 00:54:07.630
Wes:
That's part of being a
professional.
00:54:07.590 --> 00:54:09.150
Kyle:
I made it a mental note for the
00:54:09.150 --> 00:54:10.070
Kyle:
longest time while I was at
00:54:10.070 --> 00:54:11.349
Kyle:
three level.
00:54:11.349 --> 00:54:12.710
Kyle:
Do I walk out the door?
00:54:12.710 --> 00:54:15.510
Kyle:
And as soon as I saw the doors.
00:54:15.510 --> 00:54:15.949
Kyle:
Hey!
00:54:15.949 --> 00:54:17.190
Kyle:
It's over.
00:54:17.190 --> 00:54:17.909
Kyle:
Go do something else.
00:54:17.909 --> 00:54:18.389
Kyle:
So I did that.
00:54:18.389 --> 00:54:20.909
Kyle:
Well, before kids and everything
came into play.
00:54:20.909 --> 00:54:22.849
Kyle:
And now, honestly, there's.
00:54:22.849 --> 00:54:26.630
Kyle:
I go home, I work out, kids, get
off the bus, make sure they do
00:54:26.630 --> 00:54:28.969
Kyle:
their homework, make sure the
house is picked up.
00:54:28.969 --> 00:54:29.289
Kyle:
All right.
00:54:29.289 --> 00:54:29.889
Kyle:
It's dinner.
00:54:29.889 --> 00:54:30.210
Kyle:
All right.
00:54:30.210 --> 00:54:30.889
Kyle:
You got sports.
00:54:30.889 --> 00:54:31.210
Kyle:
All right.
00:54:31.210 --> 00:54:32.130
Kyle:
It's fit.
00:54:32.130 --> 00:54:34.210
Kyle:
So I don't have time to even
think about it.
00:54:34.210 --> 00:54:36.010
Kyle:
And I don't want to sit there
and think about work.
00:54:36.010 --> 00:54:37.570
Kyle:
I don't want that.
00:54:37.570 --> 00:54:38.650
Kyle:
Responsibility is my other.
00:54:38.650 --> 00:54:40.010
Kyle:
I'm a two different characters.
00:54:40.010 --> 00:54:41.849
Kyle:
I'm this person and I'm this
00:54:41.849 --> 00:54:43.570
Kyle:
person, and I can switch back
00:54:43.570 --> 00:54:44.289
Kyle:
and forth.
00:54:44.530 --> 00:54:46.969
Wes:
So you kind of got this separate
identity, right?
00:54:46.969 --> 00:54:47.170
Wes:
Yeah.
00:54:47.170 --> 00:54:50.650
Wes:
You gotta be able to separate it
and balance it all out.
00:54:50.650 --> 00:54:51.489
Wes:
And, uh.
00:54:51.889 --> 00:54:53.329
Kyle:
What now?
00:54:53.610 --> 00:54:55.610
Wes:
What kind of stuff you like
doing outside?
00:54:55.610 --> 00:54:56.889
Wes:
I know you're always.
00:54:56.889 --> 00:54:58.050
Wes:
You got a bunch of guys, you
00:54:58.050 --> 00:55:00.650
Wes:
always, uh, get your bro time in
00:55:00.650 --> 00:55:01.289
Wes:
and, uh.
00:55:01.090 --> 00:55:01.809
Kyle:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:55:01.809 --> 00:55:03.530
Wes:
So you do your family time, and,
00:55:03.530 --> 00:55:05.449
Wes:
uh, so you do balance it all
00:55:05.449 --> 00:55:05.929
Wes:
out.
00:55:05.769 --> 00:55:06.329
Kyle:
Oh, yeah.
00:55:06.329 --> 00:55:08.869
Kyle:
Yeah, I got we, uh, shout out to
00:55:08.869 --> 00:55:10.250
Kyle:
Taco Squad, but we have Taco
00:55:10.250 --> 00:55:12.329
Kyle:
Tuesdays every Tuesday we get
00:55:12.329 --> 00:55:13.170
Kyle:
together on.
00:55:13.170 --> 00:55:14.170
Kyle:
It's been battlefield lately,
00:55:14.170 --> 00:55:15.010
Kyle:
but we play video games
00:55:15.010 --> 00:55:16.210
Kyle:
together, okay?
00:55:16.210 --> 00:55:19.670
Kyle:
And it's like it is a religious
thing.
00:55:19.670 --> 00:55:21.230
Kyle:
We do it every week.
00:55:21.230 --> 00:55:23.469
Kyle:
We make sure we do it every week
if we can't miss.
00:55:23.469 --> 00:55:24.550
Kyle:
We always give the other person.
00:55:24.550 --> 00:55:26.190
Kyle:
If we miss it, we get that
person and all that.
00:55:26.190 --> 00:55:29.150
Kyle:
But it is a religious thing we
do and that's cool.
00:55:28.949 --> 00:55:29.869
Wes:
I like that.
00:55:29.829 --> 00:55:30.710
Kyle:
It's for us to stay in
00:55:30.710 --> 00:55:32.389
Kyle:
communication with each other as
00:55:32.389 --> 00:55:32.630
Kyle:
guys.
00:55:32.630 --> 00:55:37.469
Kyle:
I served with him and we keep in
touch.
00:55:37.469 --> 00:55:38.630
Kyle:
It's one way to keep in touch.
00:55:38.630 --> 00:55:41.130
Kyle:
It's also a way to decompress,
like people have their bingo
00:55:41.130 --> 00:55:42.030
Kyle:
nights and stuff like that.
00:55:42.030 --> 00:55:43.630
Kyle:
I've got my Taco Tuesdays.
00:55:43.630 --> 00:55:45.349
Kyle:
Yeah, I love to.
00:55:45.190 --> 00:55:45.630
Wes:
Golf.
00:55:45.469 --> 00:55:48.389
Kyle:
Yes, I am dog shit at golf, but
I love to play golf.
00:55:48.349 --> 00:55:49.349
Wes:
Uh, I do too.
00:55:49.349 --> 00:55:50.869
Wes:
That's one thing I do like about
you.
00:55:50.869 --> 00:55:53.110
Wes:
When we get together, we can go
play some golf.
00:55:53.110 --> 00:55:56.750
Wes:
And we have a similar value for
the game.
00:55:56.750 --> 00:55:59.309
Wes:
We, uh, we like playing it, but
we're not.
00:55:59.309 --> 00:55:59.949
Wes:
You know.
00:55:59.789 --> 00:56:00.429
Kyle:
I'm not going.
00:56:00.230 --> 00:56:00.869
Wes:
To have fun.
00:56:00.670 --> 00:56:01.070
Kyle:
Playing.
00:56:01.070 --> 00:56:01.710
Kyle:
I don't give a shit.
00:56:01.710 --> 00:56:03.670
Kyle:
But I want to go out there and
hit a couple golf balls.
00:56:03.670 --> 00:56:07.429
Kyle:
And I like having the
competitive part of it, too.
00:56:07.429 --> 00:56:09.869
Kyle:
I like to stay competing, and
that's something that I can't
00:56:09.869 --> 00:56:11.829
Kyle:
destroy my body at anymore.
00:56:11.829 --> 00:56:13.510
Kyle:
I like to be absolutely.
00:56:13.510 --> 00:56:14.909
Kyle:
So I just play.
00:56:14.710 --> 00:56:15.030
Wes:
With.
00:56:14.829 --> 00:56:15.710
Kyle:
Friends, man.
00:56:15.710 --> 00:56:17.030
Kyle:
But yeah, I just.
00:56:17.030 --> 00:56:18.289
Wes:
I'll probably play till I can
00:56:18.289 --> 00:56:19.329
Wes:
hit the ball about one hundred
00:56:19.329 --> 00:56:20.969
Wes:
yards and go hit it again, you
00:56:20.969 --> 00:56:21.409
Wes:
know.
00:56:21.250 --> 00:56:22.449
Kyle:
Yep. Hey, those.
00:56:22.449 --> 00:56:24.050
Kyle:
Hey, what's crazy is the golfers
00:56:24.050 --> 00:56:26.710
Kyle:
like, the the best time is like
00:56:26.710 --> 00:56:27.789
Kyle:
going out with my grandfather to
00:56:27.789 --> 00:56:28.969
Kyle:
golf.
00:56:28.969 --> 00:56:32.289
Kyle:
Senior tees one hundred and
twenty five yards.
00:56:32.289 --> 00:56:33.250
Kyle:
Dead straight.
00:56:33.250 --> 00:56:35.210
Kyle:
The next ball dead straight.
00:56:35.210 --> 00:56:35.969
Kyle:
Next ball.
00:56:35.969 --> 00:56:36.530
Kyle:
Dead straight.
00:56:36.530 --> 00:56:37.730
Kyle:
Doesn't give a shit how hard he
hits.
00:56:37.730 --> 00:56:39.010
Kyle:
It doesn't care.
00:56:38.849 --> 00:56:40.769
Wes:
I have gotten beat in my golf
00:56:40.769 --> 00:56:42.150
Wes:
league by a guy that was seventy
00:56:42.150 --> 00:56:42.530
Wes:
five.
00:56:42.530 --> 00:56:44.849
Wes:
Yeah, so I understand it is in.
00:56:44.730 --> 00:56:45.809
Kyle:
Something you got to kind of
figure out.
00:56:45.809 --> 00:56:46.570
Kyle:
Like you still got the.
00:56:46.650 --> 00:56:47.449
Wes:
That's what's changed.
00:56:47.449 --> 00:56:48.329
Wes:
My golf games.
00:56:48.329 --> 00:56:51.489
Wes:
It's all the chipping and
putting and it's yeah.
00:56:51.650 --> 00:56:52.769
Kyle:
Don't get overwhelmed.
00:56:52.769 --> 00:56:53.570
Kyle:
Same thing.
00:56:54.170 --> 00:56:54.809
Wes:
It's funny.
00:56:54.809 --> 00:56:57.110
Wes:
Yeah. As a young guy you don't
want to go out there and bash a
00:56:57.110 --> 00:56:58.369
Wes:
golf ball so hard.
00:56:58.369 --> 00:56:58.969
Wes:
You want.
00:56:58.809 --> 00:57:00.250
Kyle:
To murder this drive.
00:57:00.090 --> 00:57:01.369
Wes:
And it usually.
00:57:01.369 --> 00:57:05.690
Wes:
Yeah. You watch him just do it
smooth and easy and it becomes.
00:57:05.690 --> 00:57:09.250
Wes:
Then you learn like so now I try
to do like effortless power.
00:57:09.250 --> 00:57:12.210
Wes:
Like, you know, I'm trying to
make it look like I barely am
00:57:12.210 --> 00:57:14.690
Wes:
swinging and, uh, whatnot.
00:57:14.690 --> 00:57:16.440
Wes:
So, um.
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:16.960
Wes:
what?
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:19.579
Wes:
Um, what's some, you know, a lot
00:57:19.579 --> 00:57:21.480
Wes:
of people listening to this,
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:23.719
Wes:
they probably won't ever do your
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:24.199
Wes:
job.
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:25.039
Wes:
You know what I mean?
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:26.900
Wes:
They might not even, you know,
00:57:26.900 --> 00:57:28.480
Wes:
but a lot of people, they all
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:29.719
Wes:
deal with stress and they deal
00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:30.760
Wes:
with pressure.
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:32.000
Wes:
Uh. What lessons?
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:35.159
Wes:
You know, you're very balanced
about how your work, your, you
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:37.159
Wes:
know, and how you carry the job.
00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:38.699
Wes:
What lessons do you think that
00:57:38.699 --> 00:57:40.659
Wes:
you've learned that carry over,
00:57:40.659 --> 00:57:43.079
Wes:
you know, just in helping other
00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:44.000
Wes:
people out?
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:51.699
Kyle:
I. It took me a while to learn
it, but for the longest time,
00:57:51.699 --> 00:57:55.639
Kyle:
mostly during my enlistment,
except till the end.
00:57:55.639 --> 00:57:59.440
Kyle:
I got so much pride in being
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:01.699
Kyle:
that guy when they're like, hey,
00:58:01.699 --> 00:58:02.840
Kyle:
shit's going down, Kyle, get in
00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:03.480
Kyle:
position.
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:04.679
Kyle:
I was like, yes, all right,
let's go.
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:06.480
Kyle:
I'm gonna go, I got this.
00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:12.380
Kyle:
Now, I take pride in watching
somebody else be damn good at
00:58:12.380 --> 00:58:13.679
Kyle:
what they do.
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:17.019
Kyle:
There's no point in having
knowledge or having skills or
00:58:17.019 --> 00:58:19.940
Kyle:
experience if you're not going
to share it with somebody.
00:58:19.980 --> 00:58:21.179
Wes:
Yeah, I think.
00:58:21.340 --> 00:58:22.139
Kyle:
People waste that.
00:58:22.139 --> 00:58:23.500
Kyle:
They want to be like, no, I'm
not.
00:58:23.500 --> 00:58:25.739
Kyle:
It's like, here's a prime
example of it.
00:58:25.739 --> 00:58:27.260
Kyle:
I went to a conference.
00:58:27.260 --> 00:58:28.699
Kyle:
Me and my buddies, two of the
00:58:28.699 --> 00:58:29.659
Kyle:
guys I work with, we really
00:58:29.659 --> 00:58:30.860
Kyle:
worked on getting this program
00:58:30.860 --> 00:58:32.780
Kyle:
to help teach our trainees air
00:58:32.780 --> 00:58:33.099
Kyle:
traffic.
00:58:33.099 --> 00:58:34.860
Kyle:
It was going to simplify it.
00:58:34.659 --> 00:58:35.340
Wes:
Okay.
00:58:35.179 --> 00:58:38.579
Kyle:
They can like they can run
practice tests.
00:58:38.579 --> 00:58:39.619
Kyle:
They can find their information
00:58:39.619 --> 00:58:41.099
Kyle:
super fast, just like a little
00:58:41.099 --> 00:58:42.179
Kyle:
app basically.
00:58:42.019 --> 00:58:42.780
Wes:
Okay.
00:58:42.659 --> 00:58:47.059
Kyle:
And we go to this conference and
we're trying to pitch.
00:58:47.059 --> 00:58:48.059
Kyle:
It's not even our company.
00:58:48.059 --> 00:58:49.619
Kyle:
It's where we bought this from a
company.
00:58:49.619 --> 00:58:50.659
Kyle:
But we're trying to pitch to the
00:58:50.659 --> 00:58:52.400
Kyle:
rest of the Air Force, the aeTc,
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:53.420
Kyle:
the Majcom.
00:58:53.420 --> 00:58:55.500
Kyle:
Hey, you guys might want to look
into getting this.
00:58:55.500 --> 00:58:57.179
Kyle:
This is what you can do with it.
00:58:57.179 --> 00:58:58.380
Kyle:
So I go there and I take that.
00:58:58.380 --> 00:59:03.820
Kyle:
I got my laptop, I show them all
this other stuff, and I told
00:59:03.820 --> 00:59:08.219
Kyle:
them I was like, hey, I've built
hundreds of scenarios already,
00:59:08.219 --> 00:59:10.539
Kyle:
and the only reason I was able
to do that is I tore my
00:59:10.539 --> 00:59:11.380
Kyle:
Achilles, so I was down.
00:59:11.380 --> 00:59:14.119
Kyle:
I couldn't control it because I
was taking pain meds and stuff.
00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:16.719
Kyle:
So I was down and I was able to
actually sit there and work on
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:17.960
Kyle:
the program for like.
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:18.519
Wes:
Okay.
00:59:18.559 --> 00:59:20.079
Kyle:
A month and a half, two months
straight.
00:59:19.960 --> 00:59:21.159
Wes:
Okay, I understand.
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:22.480
Kyle:
So I told them I was like, hey,
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:23.679
Kyle:
I made all these scenarios
00:59:23.679 --> 00:59:24.119
Kyle:
already.
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:26.199
Kyle:
If you guys get it, I'll just
give it to you.
00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:26.760
Kyle:
You can have it.
00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:28.079
Kyle:
You don't have to build your own
stuff.
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:30.079
Kyle:
You'll have whatever I have
right here, and then you can
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:31.599
Kyle:
adjust it how you want.
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:34.840
Kyle:
And one of the questions is, one
of my biggest gripes about the
00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:40.000
Kyle:
Air Force is for the longest
time, ranking up to most people
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:42.760
Kyle:
watching it, watching and kind
of watching how people acted.
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:43.800
Kyle:
It was a selfish.
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:46.920
Kyle:
You were doing it selfishly.
00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:48.239
Kyle:
You were being a selfish person
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:49.260
Kyle:
to rank up because, like, I'm
00:59:49.260 --> 00:59:50.199
Kyle:
going to make sure I'm better
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:51.199
Kyle:
than this person and I'll cut
00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:52.079
Kyle:
that person's legs out from
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:52.960
Kyle:
underneath them to get that
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:53.320
Kyle:
ring.
00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:56.039
Kyle:
Yes, I'll talk shit about them
around this circle.
00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:59.159
Kyle:
I'll make sure my nose like that
for your cause.
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:00.079
Wes:
Yeah, it's.
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:01.400
Kyle:
one of the questions was.
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:02.480
Wes:
Deceitful way to.
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:04.480
Wes:
Yeah, that's how it worked.
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:05.840
Kyle:
Why are you sharing this with
us?
01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:07.920
Kyle:
Like, what do you mean, why it's
like that?
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:08.199
Kyle:
Like.
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:10.320
Kyle:
Because I think you should have
it.
01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:11.179
Kyle:
It's awesome.
01:00:11.019 --> 01:00:11.860
Wes:
You want to get better?
01:00:11.860 --> 01:00:13.260
Wes:
Yeah, we want to get better.
01:00:13.099 --> 01:00:14.179
Kyle:
You're like, well, what do you
get out of it?
01:00:14.179 --> 01:00:15.980
Kyle:
I was like, I get nothing, man.
01:00:15.980 --> 01:00:17.619
Kyle:
I get good controllers.
01:00:17.619 --> 01:00:23.019
Kyle:
And this guy, he's like, no, no,
this this affects their bonuses.
01:00:23.019 --> 01:00:23.380
Kyle:
All right.
01:00:23.380 --> 01:00:24.619
Kyle:
You're telling me it's your rank
01:00:24.619 --> 01:00:25.599
Kyle:
and you're a chief controller
01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:25.980
Kyle:
like that?
01:00:25.980 --> 01:00:30.139
Kyle:
You don't realize that our
bonuses that were handed out are
01:00:30.139 --> 01:00:30.980
Kyle:
equal to everybody.
01:00:30.980 --> 01:00:32.539
Kyle:
Like it's the same amount.
01:00:32.539 --> 01:00:34.340
Kyle:
It never changes.
01:00:34.340 --> 01:00:36.940
Kyle:
It's like I don't get a I. This
does nothing for me.
01:00:36.780 --> 01:00:37.980
Wes:
I think it's that mindset.
01:00:37.980 --> 01:00:38.659
Wes:
You're right.
01:00:38.500 --> 01:00:39.579
Kyle:
It's hard to say that.
01:00:39.420 --> 01:00:40.219
Wes:
What's the angle?
01:00:40.059 --> 01:00:41.019
Kyle:
Are you fucking kidding me?
01:00:41.019 --> 01:00:42.300
Kyle:
Like there's no angle.
01:00:42.300 --> 01:00:43.780
Kyle:
I'm trying to help.
01:00:43.780 --> 01:00:44.860
Kyle:
Like, is there something.
01:00:44.860 --> 01:00:45.300
Kyle:
Oh, man.
01:00:45.300 --> 01:00:46.860
Kyle:
It rubbed me the wrong way.
01:00:46.860 --> 01:00:47.760
Kyle:
But I've always thought that,
01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:49.820
Kyle:
like, it feels so good watching
01:00:49.820 --> 01:00:51.940
Kyle:
somebody get really good at
01:00:51.940 --> 01:00:52.659
Kyle:
something.
01:00:52.659 --> 01:00:55.199
Kyle:
And it's like teaching Lincoln
how to play sports, and Owen
01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:57.019
Kyle:
learning how to do whatever Owen
wants to do.
01:00:57.019 --> 01:00:58.460
Kyle:
Because the man's a fireball.
01:00:58.460 --> 01:01:02.659
Kyle:
He. But watching them learn and
develop.
01:01:02.659 --> 01:01:04.659
Kyle:
I think it's probably what it
was when I had kids that that
01:01:04.659 --> 01:01:05.380
Kyle:
changed my mindset.
01:01:05.380 --> 01:01:07.539
Kyle:
It's like, share your
experience.
01:01:07.539 --> 01:01:11.809
Kyle:
Help other people become better
because why not?
01:01:11.809 --> 01:01:13.369
Kyle:
I hold all that to yourself.
01:01:13.210 --> 01:01:17.449
Wes:
I've noticed older guys that I
like working with older retired
01:01:17.449 --> 01:01:21.449
Wes:
guys because usually you guys
protect that when they're right.
01:01:21.449 --> 01:01:22.889
Wes:
Like when we're in the racing,
01:01:22.889 --> 01:01:24.090
Wes:
no one wants to show you their
01:01:24.090 --> 01:01:24.610
Wes:
secrets.
01:01:24.610 --> 01:01:26.489
Wes:
No one wants to show you their
edge.
01:01:26.489 --> 01:01:29.409
Wes:
But when guys start getting
retired, they'll start showing
01:01:29.409 --> 01:01:30.210
Wes:
you their edge.
01:01:30.210 --> 01:01:31.690
Wes:
They they just want to talk.
01:01:31.690 --> 01:01:32.250
Wes:
And you're right.
01:01:32.250 --> 01:01:34.210
Wes:
That's when it becomes what's
important.
01:01:34.210 --> 01:01:35.130
Wes:
You want to share that.
01:01:35.130 --> 01:01:36.769
Wes:
And I think, uh, I know
01:01:36.769 --> 01:01:38.289
Wes:
personally with our Dairy Queens
01:01:38.289 --> 01:01:39.929
Wes:
is I want to develop leadership
01:01:39.929 --> 01:01:40.889
Wes:
and I want to share that with
01:01:40.889 --> 01:01:41.730
Wes:
other people.
01:01:41.570 --> 01:01:42.570
Kyle:
And one hundred percent.
01:01:42.409 --> 01:01:43.650
Wes:
I get such a kick.
01:01:43.650 --> 01:01:46.769
Wes:
I think I get more of a kick now
of seeing those systems getting
01:01:46.769 --> 01:01:48.969
Wes:
worked that I helped make up.
01:01:48.969 --> 01:01:50.929
Wes:
And it's, uh, doing better for
01:01:50.929 --> 01:01:52.789
Wes:
everybody, you know, it's, uh,
01:01:52.789 --> 01:01:54.610
Wes:
so I get exactly what you're
01:01:54.610 --> 01:01:54.889
Wes:
saying.
01:01:54.889 --> 01:01:56.050
Wes:
That's well said.
01:01:56.050 --> 01:01:56.570
Wes:
Yep.
01:01:56.570 --> 01:01:57.170
Wes:
Um.
01:01:57.809 --> 01:01:59.769
Kyle:
I it's always bothered me.
01:01:59.769 --> 01:02:01.510
Kyle:
It's something that's always
bothered me, but it didn't
01:02:01.510 --> 01:02:02.409
Kyle:
really kick in about it.
01:02:02.409 --> 01:02:05.010
Kyle:
It's like there's nothing
there's no greater feeling than
01:02:05.010 --> 01:02:08.250
Kyle:
watching somebody be successful
because you taught them how to
01:02:08.250 --> 01:02:10.269
Kyle:
be successful and they listened.
01:02:11.309 --> 01:02:12.590
Wes:
I think that's a good thing.
01:02:12.590 --> 01:02:13.349
Wes:
You know what?
01:02:13.349 --> 01:02:16.190
Wes:
Uh, I'm going to go ahead and
start closing out, Kyle.
01:02:16.190 --> 01:02:20.869
Wes:
You know, what stands out to me
is just it isn't what you do.
01:02:20.869 --> 01:02:22.190
Wes:
It's how you do it.
01:02:22.190 --> 01:02:23.469
Wes:
Com isn't passive.
01:02:23.469 --> 01:02:24.630
Wes:
It's trained.
01:02:24.630 --> 01:02:27.789
Wes:
Uh, I appreciate your time and
your perspective.
01:02:27.789 --> 01:02:30.269
Wes:
Um, this is Wesley Warner.
01:02:30.269 --> 01:02:32.489
Wes:
If this episode helped you, if
01:02:32.489 --> 01:02:33.789
Wes:
you think differently about
01:02:33.789 --> 01:02:35.789
Wes:
pressure, share it with someone
01:02:35.789 --> 01:02:37.730
Wes:
who carries responsibility every
01:02:37.730 --> 01:02:38.750
Wes:
day.
01:02:38.750 --> 01:02:40.829
Wes:
Chaos is inevitable.
01:02:40.829 --> 01:02:42.349
Wes:
Control is choice.
01:02:42.949 --> 01:02:43.750
Kyle:
Yeah. Right.
01:02:43.750 --> 01:02:45.429
Kyle:
Before you go west, I want to
kind of make a point.
01:02:45.429 --> 01:02:46.489
Kyle:
Like you bringing all this up
01:02:46.489 --> 01:02:47.789
Kyle:
stuff about discipline stuff,
01:02:47.789 --> 01:02:47.989
Kyle:
man.
01:02:47.989 --> 01:02:49.349
Kyle:
You become one of the most
01:02:49.349 --> 01:02:50.469
Kyle:
disciplined human beings I've
01:02:50.469 --> 01:02:51.030
Kyle:
met.
01:02:51.590 --> 01:02:53.230
Wes:
Thanks, man, I appreciate it.