Cutting Deep Into Horror | Halloween (1978): Why Michael Myers Still Scares Us

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Sheriff, you must listen to me. He's purely and simply beautiful. Oh,
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you want to... Those eyes, when they would look at
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me from across the room, they were like the devil's eyes.
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A handsome devil's eyes.
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Okay, you want to run that path?
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His eyebrows could do that little kind of a wiggle.
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This isn't... Sheriff, this isn't a sexual thing. I'm talking
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about appreciating something that's purely and simply... Beautiful. I begged
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them not to release Michael, but they did. They did anyway. Now,
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it only makes sense that I stop him.
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Yeah, it kind of seems like it's on you. You
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should have tried harder, dude.
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I could see why your wife left you.
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This podcast is about why horror scares us. What deep, dark, secret,
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scary cinema shines a light on. The discussions are frank
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and involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and mental health. There
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are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too. Now,
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sharpen your machetes and straight razors, because this is Cutting
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Deep into Horror.
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Welcome back, my spookies, to Cutting Deep into Horror. I am,
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of course, your host, Enrique Couto, here with my co-host,
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Rachel Rodolphe. Rachel, how are you?
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I'm doing good.
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Yeah?
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Yeah.
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You sure?
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I'm pretty sure. I'm feeling nice and spooky.
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Why?
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All of the haunted houses we've been going to.
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We've only been to three.
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That's a lot more than I generally go to.
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I mean, by the end of tonight, it'll be five total. Yeah,
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it'll be five total. That's almost double.
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Almost. We're getting, we're getting up there.
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Oh yeah. So, but we've had some fun times at
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the haunts. Uh, I, I've been trying really hard. I
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think we mentioned that last, last show that I, I
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used to never have the money to go to haunts
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cause they're not horribly expensive, but they are expensive. Uh,
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I mean, if you're, if you're working, uh, you know,
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working paycheck to paycheck, it's, it's not always easy to
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come up with, um, 25 bucks, 35 bucks, uh, To
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go out and have fun. Although now I guess that
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doesn't sound like as much money as it used to.
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Yeah, that's taking the family out or two people out
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to Burger King, man.
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But now I, you know, as is the tradition, I
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have money and no time because that's the way it works.
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Yeah, well, they're competing ratios.
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Yeah. So it's like, okay, now I can get the
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fast passes and everything, but where the hell do you
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find a weekend? So luckily I'm, you know, making time.
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Yeah.
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Like they said in Star Trek.
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Well, if it's important to you, you make the time.
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That is exactly what Sulu said in, well, no, that's
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exactly what James Doohan as Scotty said that Sulu said
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in Star Trek Generations. So, but yeah, yeah. So we've been,
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we've been having fun. We've went to, we should shout
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them out a little bit. I mean, we don't have
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a ton of listeners in Southeastern or Southwestern Ohio, but.
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We got enough.
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Yeah, probably. I mean, it depends on your definition of enough.
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But we checked out, where did we go first? First,
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we went to Cincinnati Fear Fest. Fear Fest, yeah. Which
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we had been to before, back when it was all
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Hallow's Eve terror town.
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Yeah, so it's been like four or five years.
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Yeah, I think the last time we were there was
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three years ago.
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Okay, yeah.
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And it was fun. I could tell they weren't quite ready.
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for the season because one haunt was frigging boffo and
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then the other two were all right. Like they seemed
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like they didn't have enough actors in there.
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Yeah.
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One of the actors that were there were great.
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Oh yeah. They were so game. Well, one of them,
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they let us in and I literally kind of was like,
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was this, is this even open? Cause like there was
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so little happening in it. Yeah. But, uh, but that
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first one we went to, uh, was really the burn yard.
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Burn yard was scary and good and fun time.
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The end of it was phenomenal.
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Yeah.
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Scared the hell out of me. I mean, not that
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that's that hard to do. And, uh, and then the
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following weekend, uh, we went to, um, uh, Dayton screen park,
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which it's funny because living in Dayton, Ohio, the Paris
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of Ohio, um, I've never been to Dayton screen park,
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which is the only point that you can see from
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one of our major highways. Yeah. And somehow I never
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ended up there. I think that part of it really
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is that for years they didn't have online tickets and I'm,
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I'm awful. Like when I, like, okay. For people who
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don't know what it's like, I think most people do,
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but if you don't know what it's like to, to,
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to decide something's too expensive and then 15 years later,
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realize it's no longer too expensive for you to do it. You,
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I don't know, you get kind of. You overcorrect a
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bit and I wanted fast passes and stuff because I
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just wanted to zoom in also to be honest. And this,
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I may be alone in this, but the other reason
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I like to buy fast passes is I like to
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pay the haunts more because I want them again. I
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want them to go nowhere. I want them to grow.
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I want them to be back next year. I like
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going to the ones I've been to before and seeing
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the changes they've made.
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It's really fun. So Dayton screen park was a blast.
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That was super fun.
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And when they said 54 minutes of pure terror, they
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weren't joking.
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They said 45, but yes. Oh.
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I was close.
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Just a little dyslexic there?
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Yeah. Just the one with numbers.
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Just the one with numbers. Numbers. I couldn't even think
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of how to say just backwards. Just the ones with numbers.
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I don't know. I don't think that makes any sense,
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but I'm okay with it.
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We're going to roll with it anyway.
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So we had a great time with that one.
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And.
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That was the one where I was trying, I was
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walking up the VIP line and I was looking at
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my ticket and I was like, I believe I'd be,
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I paid the most you could pay for a ticket.
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So I'm pretty sure it's VIP, but mine didn't say VIP.
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It just said like general with fast pass, which is
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the exact same price as a VIP ticket. So I
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was like, what, what, what's going on? And I walked
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up to the line and the guy walks up, he goes, Hey,
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my name is bone daddy. I run this place. And
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then he was like, I watch you on Tik TOK.
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Come on in. And I was just like, what? So
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he pulled us right in, told us, you know, 45
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minutes of terror, go on. And we had a great time.
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And then a bunch of the haunt actors recognized me too,
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which was really unusual. I'm not trying to brag. It's
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really just bizarre.
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There was the one clown that followed us like three
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times and then finally figured out who you were.
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He said something that nearly killed me with humor. Because
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it was the second time he saw us. He was
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the hillbilly clown. One of the two hillbilly clowns. He
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got close to me. He was like, I thought I
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recognized you, but I wasn't sure. And then he leans
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up to me and he goes, I always wanted to
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kill a niche celebrity. And I nearly died. Because just
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using the term niche celebrity is perfect. But in that context,
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I was like, I wanted to roll on the ground
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and laugh like a niche celebrity. So that was really,
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really fun. And I definitely, that's on the short list
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of like, I have to go back next year. Yeah.
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For sure.
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Yeah.
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And tonight, after we're done recording here, we're heading straight
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to the Brimstone Haunt, which is the haunt that is
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connected to our Renaissance Festival out here.
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Yep.
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And that one's one that's become a favorite of mine.
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It's fun.
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Yeah. Oh, and the other one we went to when
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we were done at Dayton Scream Fest is we went
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to what I think might be my favorite haunt of
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the entire area, though.
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For sheer haunt factor. Yeah. Because when you have things
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like Brimstone Haunt, which is super fun, it's three haunts
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in one, which rhymes. You know, they've got like a
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little midway. They got food. They got whatever. You know,
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they have a little midway at Cincinnati Fear Fest as well.
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When we go to Land of Illusions, it's like a
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theme park, but with haunts instead of rides.
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Yeah, it's great.
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Which is awesome.
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But Face Your Fears Hotel of Terror is, I mean,
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they have a few vendors or whatever, but it's really
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just a really, really dedicated scary haunt that's done really well.
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That's, and that's the big thing that I, I want
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to say about them is that I've been to haunts
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where they're like, we're going to go extreme and they're
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always lame. I mean, it's not that they're lame. It's just,
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I don't know. They like, The sense that they want
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to like really upset you. I don't know. It just sounds,
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it's just cringy to me.
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Yeah.
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But when you go to Face Your Fears Hotel of Terror,
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I mean, it's really scary. They put a lot of
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effort into some big scares. And this go around, we
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were leaving the Dayton Scream Park and it was still
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pretty early.
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So I was like, you want to go to Face
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Your Fears? Because it's one of the other, those are
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the two haunts that we, or that's one of the
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few haunts we'd been to that's just one attraction as well.
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Which means, because when you go to like those other places,
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you're going to be there 90 minutes to two hours minimum.
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Exactly.
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Because they've got a bunch of, well, Land of Illusion
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has six attractions. I think it takes four hours easily. Oh, yeah.
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To really get through everything. But so I was like, hey,
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do you want to run to Face Your Fears? Because
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it's another one-off. Because we'd done that before and we
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knew we'd be in and out in an hour tops.
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So you said yes. And then I was like, good,
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because I got us touch passes.
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And I was like, what? Yeah.
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For those who don't know, touch passes, you pay extra for...
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not only a fast pass and yada yada, but also
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for the haunt actors to be allowed to touch you physically.
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Well, but you also become like a part of the
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haunt at that point.
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Yeah. So they make you wear these glowing necklaces that
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tell the haunt actors that you're fair game and they
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have things they'll do to you uh other than just
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touch you but they do touch you and i had
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always wanted to do a touch pass so i said
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figured what the hey um so we went and it
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was hilarious too because there was the regular line the
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fast pass line and the touch pass line and there
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was literally nobody ahead of us on the touch pass
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line And I want to mention it was for a whopping,
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I think, $ 12 on the top of the ticket. Maybe
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it was less. It might have been $ 10. So, I mean,
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it's not like it's insanely expensive compared to the FastPass.
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Which you're already paying, yeah.
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Well, yeah. So, if a FastPass is in your purview...
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But I also understand why some people don't want to
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be touched. We went in there and yeah. And anywhere
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we went, people were, were like, oh yeah, they'd like
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come at you because, because you, they get to scare
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the audience, the other people in the crowd even more
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when they grab you, it makes them feel more in danger. Yeah.
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But also, I mean, you're right. It actually makes you
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feel like, or it makes them, it makes you, yeah,
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kind of part of the haunt. Because what happened with
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us is we were barely in there. We were maybe
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three minutes in, four minutes in.
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And these Grim Reaper, this Grim Reaper guy grabs me
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and just puts me through a trap door. Yeah. And
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it dumps me like, I don't know, maybe 20 feet
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back from where we were. I don't know where the
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hell I am. So I'm trying to get around. And
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one thing that haunts are is they are basically mazes,
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but they're badly designed mazes. And when I say I
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mean because they aren't meant to actually get you lost,
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they're just meant to make you take forever to get
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where you're going because they round about you a ton.
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But there's no, you know, there's no dead ends. There's
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no loops that take you nowhere. It's but it's a maze.
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I mean, it's literally make how many how far can
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we make you walk in this one room? Exactly. So
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I start trying to find you. And all of a
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sudden I felt like I was in a horror movie
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because I'm like running through this haunt looking around and
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also the scare actors are there. And sure enough, I
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get up to where we were and frigging the guy
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grabs me again and puts me through the same trap
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door again. So now, and the best part is you
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scare the other people coming through because the trap doors
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don't let you out just anywhere. They let me out, like,
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by where the scares are and stuff. So I'm literally
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a guy just running out from where the, like, it
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was the automated scary old lady was jumping out. That's
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where I came out. So I come out and all
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of a sudden I'm with another group that I don't know.
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And I start going, have you seen a girl, like
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a short girl? And I stop and I'm like, I'm
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not a haunt actor.
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I know how this looks.
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This looks like I'm trying to scare you guys, but
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they did take me away from her and I can't
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find her now. And I ended up walking with them
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for a while.
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Finally, I found you when we got to the basement.
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So that was interesting. And then Rachel got really terrorized
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by the chainsaws because she is very afraid of chainsaws.
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Chainsaws are very scary. They're loud and they're stinky. And
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you like to say my name very loudly so that
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the haunt actors chase me screaming my name.
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How else are you going to hear me if I
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don't say your name?
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And then you'll say things like, it's okay. They won't
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come at you with the chainsaws. And then, of course,
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that means the chainsaw guy is immediately, like, got to
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go after her.
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For the record, I didn't do that at that haunt.
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I did that last year. I'll do that tonight as well.
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I did that last year. I went, she really hates chainsaws,
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doesn't she? And he just kept chasing him.
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But, yeah, there at the end, we're, like, in the
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second-to-last room. Something like that. And then they were with
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a small group of other people. And a guy with
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a chainsaw is like chasing us all down. And you're
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screaming to the people like, just run. They'll come after
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us because we've got the touchpad.
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It was this one lady who was really scared. And
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I had been walking with her already because I was
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with her group. And I'm not trying to be funny.
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I don't think this is embarrassing. I don't know her name.
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I couldn't. But she peed herself. She admitted it at
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one point. She was like, I'm really sorry, y'all. I
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peed myself. I can't even lie about it. Like, I
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peed myself. But she was the one that was afraid
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to go by. And that's why I yelled at her.
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I was like, just go. They'll grab us. Like, that's
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who they really want.
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Which you said that. And then as we're running away,
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this immediately grabbed me. This guy grabs me and flings
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me like a sack of potatoes into a chair. And
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then just starts chainsawing me up and down the body
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and chainsawing my legs.
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Yeah, it had like a vibrate thing on it.
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Yeah, so it like really gets you.
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It startles you for sure.
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Yeah, and people would like run past and he'd go to,
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you know, chainsaw them. And I'd try to get up
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and then he'd push me back down. And like, yeah,
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they really go at it.
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Yeah, it was really fun. We left it with our
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hearts pounding. So, and they always, that haunt in particular,
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I've been there, I think this is my fourth year
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in a row going there. I believe, or third, but
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I think it was fourth. And they change it a
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lot at the, especially toward the ending. Cause the first
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year I went, we didn't even go in the basement
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at all.
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I'm guessing cause they were remodeling it or something. Cause
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it is an old hotel. And so every year I
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feel like it ends and I never know where it's
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going to end because they redo the ending so much, but, uh,
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but it was super, super fun, super scary. I was amped.
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So yeah, we've been having a great time going to
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haunts this year. Cause Rachel's not working weekends mandatorily anymore.
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It's so nice.
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So we can go to the haunts.
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And so, yes, we're going to Brimstone tonight, which has
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three haunts, including the brand new Boogeyman haunt, which.
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That's kind of appropriate for tonight, too.
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Yeah, because the Boogeyman can't be... You can't kill the Boogeyman.
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That's what I meant to say. I did a bad job.
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We're talking tonight about John Carpenter's Halloween. So also we're
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going to swing by Hell's Dungeon, another Dayton native... Yeah.
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Haunt. I'm so amped about that one.
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Yeah. I'm curious. I've heard about it, but I've never
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been there. So, but yeah, we're talking about John Carpenter's
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Halloween classic from 1978. I feel like if you haven't
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seen this one, that's really, really weird.
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Yeah. Like what are you doing?
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And I don't know how to, how to react to that.
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Yeah.
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But if you haven't seen it somehow, it's very easy
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to get your hands on. You can watch it free
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on AMC Plus with your subscription. You can watch it
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on Zumo Play for free, Plex free with ads. And
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of course, it's available anywhere you rent your movies. It's
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an absolute fall time classic. And the funniest part is
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they didn't really even know they were making a Halloween movie.
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I mean, they knew, but they didn't. Because it was
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originally titled Babysitter Murders and it was just set on Halloween.
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And then they, you know, they moved things around, they
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changed some stuff, but they just picked a setting. Okay.
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You know, because the idea of big seasonal movies, horror movies,
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wasn't really that much of a thing. I mean, Black
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Christmas had happened two years earlier. That was the closest thing.
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And some people have claimed that they stole a lot
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from Black Christmas.
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I mean, no.
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Well, they're both claimed to be the original slasher movie.
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Well, yeah.
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You know, so. But we're going to talk about that
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a ton. There's all kinds of things to talk about
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with Halloween. And, you know, from the cinematography, the music,
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the performances. I mean, it stars, obviously, Jamie Lee Curtis
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beginning her massive career. It was written by John Carpenter
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and Deborah Hill, who is often the undersung hero of Halloween.
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But the funny thing is John Carpenter would not tell
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you otherwise. He says he has always said that Deborah
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was like one of the defining forces of the Halloween
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films he was directly involved in, which was one, two
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and three.
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Yeah.
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So. Um, but yeah, as well as like PJ souls,
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Donald Pleasance, of course. Um, so we're going to talk
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about that and a ton more right after this. So
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of course this is the, the immortal classic that that
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is Halloween, which literally is what they called it in
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like the re-release trailers and stuff. I was like, When
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I was growing up as a young horror fan in
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my teens, this was the film that like it, it
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had just the first one had just enough class that
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parents liked it. That didn't mean they'd immediately show it
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to your kids, but they liked it. Like the first
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time I got to really watch Halloween, the first one,
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cause the sequels were on cable, like crazy when I
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was a kid on AMC, mostly. The first one was
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because my friend who lived a few blocks down, his
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mom owned a tape of it. So whenever spooky season
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would come along, we would pop that bad boy in
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right away. And eventually we watched it so much. She
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gave it to me. Oh, it was one of those
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blockbuster cheap tapes. I mean, I'm not, I mean, I
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get why she had, it's not like she paid, you know,
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59 99 for it in 1991 or something, but, but
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it was still very thoughtful. They had like a blockbuster
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logo on it. It was a picture of Jamie Lee
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Curtis looking scared with Michael Myers behind her or whatever. Uh,
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any horror nerd around my age is going to be like, oh,
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I totally remember that tape. Cause it was everywhere. Cause again,
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it was, I think it was like $ 15 or nine
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99 or something.
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Okay.
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So people were, it was, it's like people going, oh,
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I know exactly the, um, Adam's family tape. You're talking about,
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you bought it burger King. Cause it was only nine 99.
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Right.
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Yeah. It's like, of course we all remember that, you know,
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from that era.
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Everybody had one.
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Yeah. Except you, but yeah. But no, uh, so it
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was always around. We always loved Michael Myers. Now, when
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I was like 14, 15 range, That was when Halloween
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Resurrection was coming out and stuff, which was not great.
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I think it's aged really well because it's so dated.
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But as with any time we're talking about a film
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that spawns a boat ton of sequels, we're going to
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look at this film as if there are no other sequels. Yeah. Now,
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you know, if I go on a tangent or whatever,
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we will mention, like, if we talk about the sequels
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and say this and this and this. But overall, we're
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talking about this movie as if the boogeyman disappeared. If
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you've not seen this, my God, what's wrong with you?
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At the end, when the boogeyman disappears, our version is that, like,
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we never know what happens next. That's it. That's all
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we ever get to know. Which is a scarier ending.
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It really is.
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But at the same time, I mean, I want Myers
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to come back a million times because one of my
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ultimate fall comfort movies is Halloween 4. I love that one.
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The Jamie Lloyd character played by Danielle Harris was like
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exactly my age. Yeah. Maybe two, she might be like
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a year or two older than me, but when, by
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the time I saw it, we were like the exact
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same age. Yeah. And that means that like the Halloween
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that's depicted in there with the cutouts of the black
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cats and the skeletons and all this, that was literally
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the Halloween I saw because the, you know, the designers
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were going to Kmart and buying the decorations that my
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mother would go to Kmart and buy, you know? So
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that was always a delight, but the original Halloween always
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had this this bravado, this, this depth that was understood
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to be there in my generation of like, no, this
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is a masterwork of horror. Like you like slasher movies,
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you know, you like Freddie and Jason and Chucky, but
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that first Michael Myers movie is not like those. It's, it's,
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it's like Hitchcock. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Which Carpenter would love to hear because he loved Hitchcock.
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So yeah, Yeah, so the first, I couldn't tell you
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the literal first time I saw it because it was
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around a bunch in different ways. Also, when you're a kid,
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if you saw Halloween 2, you probably wouldn't know if
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it was Halloween 1 or 2 because they basically are
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like one movie.
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Yeah.
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In that, you know, it picks up, it's like Bride
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of Frankenstein, it picks up like the moment after. Because
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in Bride of Frankenstein, literally, the end of Frankenstein is
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him like falling away from all the villagers. And then
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Bride of Frankenstein is him like rolling away in like,
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he's like, it picks up immediately. Okay. It's like the
485
00:21:59.710 --> 00:22:02.359
movie just keeps going, which is oddly enough how Halloween
486
00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:05.240
4 and 5 work, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it picks
487
00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:07.119
up immediately where the last one left off. Oh, yeah.
488
00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:10.539
So I think that the whole series is a phenomenal
489
00:22:10.660 --> 00:22:13.720
autumnal addition. I mean, even 3 without Michael Myers. I mean,
490
00:22:13.740 --> 00:22:15.180
it's a great movie on its own, but it also
491
00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:17.779
is very Halloween-y. It is. It has a ton of those.
492
00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:18.839
I mean, it's got the whole song.
493
00:22:19.140 --> 00:22:19.440
Yeah.
494
00:22:19.579 --> 00:22:19.660
No.
495
00:22:22.210 --> 00:22:24.769
To London Bridge is falling down. And speaking of music,
496
00:22:24.809 --> 00:22:26.950
so John Carpenter did the music on this film, which
497
00:22:26.990 --> 00:22:28.849
he always did the music on his movies, but this
498
00:22:28.910 --> 00:22:32.890
was his, I believe, third feature. Okay. I'm almost certain.
499
00:22:33.150 --> 00:22:37.569
It was Assault on Precinct 13, then Someone's Watching Me,
500
00:22:37.609 --> 00:22:40.170
which we've done on the show already, his made-for-TV movie,
501
00:22:40.190 --> 00:22:43.880
which I really think, did you notice when you rewatched
502
00:22:43.930 --> 00:22:46.140
this after having seen that movie? It's okay if you didn't.
503
00:22:46.259 --> 00:22:47.799
You're like, I don't remember that movie at all. But
504
00:22:48.220 --> 00:22:49.000
did you notice anything?
505
00:22:50.059 --> 00:22:55.890
I remember, or I noticed, kind of like thematically how
506
00:22:55.990 --> 00:22:57.490
similar it was.
507
00:22:58.329 --> 00:23:02.170
Oh, I thought that they used like the, the camera
508
00:23:02.190 --> 00:23:05.079
movement and stuff was just like super similar. Like they
509
00:23:05.150 --> 00:23:07.859
use very similar language.
510
00:23:08.579 --> 00:23:08.880
Okay.
511
00:23:09.019 --> 00:23:10.140
Like a visual language.
512
00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:10.900
Yeah. Yeah.
513
00:23:10.980 --> 00:23:12.400
I could see that for sure.
514
00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:15.319
That was what I noticed after watching someone's watching me,
515
00:23:15.339 --> 00:23:17.140
which was he made, that was a made for TV movie.
516
00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:19.319
He literally did the summer before he filmed Halloween. It's
517
00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:21.869
why I, In a lot of the behind the scenes stuff,
518
00:23:21.890 --> 00:23:23.910
you'll hear they say John wasn't really around. It was
519
00:23:23.950 --> 00:23:27.529
mostly Debra and Tommy Lee Wallace doing everything. He was
520
00:23:27.809 --> 00:23:31.690
literally filming every day on a TV movie, which was
521
00:23:31.730 --> 00:23:34.430
shot on sets and stuff. And when you shoot on sets,
522
00:23:34.950 --> 00:23:37.609
like wholly to where, you know, you have like three
523
00:23:37.630 --> 00:23:40.029
days of exterior shoots and then everything else is on sets.
524
00:23:41.130 --> 00:23:42.930
All of those scenes in those apartments were all sets.
525
00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:45.539
There were no, I mean, the exteriors were real, but
526
00:23:45.740 --> 00:23:48.500
everything else was on sets. You just film literally nine
527
00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:51.789
to nine. Oh, yeah. Or more like 6 to 6,
528
00:23:51.789 --> 00:23:54.109
but 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. because it doesn't matter
529
00:23:54.150 --> 00:23:55.569
what time of day it is. So they film it
530
00:23:55.609 --> 00:23:58.670
like a regular job. Yeah. You know, you go home
531
00:23:58.710 --> 00:24:01.240
at dinnertime and come back the next day first thing
532
00:24:01.259 --> 00:24:03.200
in the morning because nothing else matters.
533
00:24:03.500 --> 00:24:03.700
Yeah.
534
00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:06.539
As opposed to when you're filming outdoors or you're filming
535
00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:08.400
in real houses, you have to think a lot about
536
00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:10.579
what time of day it's going to be or hopefully
537
00:24:10.619 --> 00:24:13.480
going to be and what the weather will hopefully be
538
00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:14.700
like and things like that.
539
00:24:14.819 --> 00:24:15.819
Because the sun exists.
540
00:24:16.420 --> 00:24:19.569
Yes. Yes, it does. Or at least sometimes you hope.
541
00:24:19.910 --> 00:24:20.930
Much to our chagrin.
542
00:24:22.390 --> 00:24:25.670
The music became so memorable, which is why I took
543
00:24:25.710 --> 00:24:30.539
the liberty of making this just for today. So that's
544
00:24:30.740 --> 00:24:35.500
on our soundboard. It's ready. It's ready whenever we need
545
00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:38.240
a little Michael Myers feeling.
546
00:24:38.809 --> 00:24:40.170
I love that sting. Yeah.
547
00:24:40.210 --> 00:24:42.630
I only, I held back and only pulled one. I
548
00:24:42.670 --> 00:24:45.430
didn't pull like 10 of them. Okay. So, cause I
549
00:24:45.450 --> 00:24:48.369
didn't have time, but it's been a busy month with
550
00:24:48.390 --> 00:24:50.869
weekly spooky. It's been an awesome one. And I'm so
551
00:24:50.910 --> 00:24:52.950
glad everybody's enjoying all the content we've been putting out,
552
00:24:52.970 --> 00:24:55.150
but I am beat. I mean, when they're listening to this,
553
00:24:55.269 --> 00:24:58.470
I will, I think still be in Philadelphia. Yeah. Checking
554
00:24:58.509 --> 00:25:00.730
out some haunts out there and, and hanging out with
555
00:25:00.779 --> 00:25:04.259
my monthly spooky cohost, Michelle. I think that's going to
556
00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:09.130
be really fun. Better be. Yeah. So, so, What was
557
00:25:09.170 --> 00:25:11.539
your first viewing of Halloween?
558
00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:17.059
It was with you. It was shortly after we'd started
559
00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:21.720
dating and you were floored by the fact that I'd
560
00:25:21.779 --> 00:25:26.539
seen so little horror, but especially by the fact that
561
00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:30.039
I'd never seen the classics like Halloween. So it was
562
00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:33.299
getting up on Halloween season and you were like, well,
563
00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:37.180
we need to fix that and watch all of them.
564
00:25:37.849 --> 00:25:42.789
So we started with the first one. And I remember,
565
00:25:43.869 --> 00:25:49.220
as it was unfolding, thinking that this was way different
566
00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:51.619
than what I had ever imagined.
567
00:25:52.140 --> 00:25:52.460
Really?
568
00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:56.440
Yeah, because everyone had always talked about, like, how scary
569
00:25:56.500 --> 00:26:01.380
it was. And it being, like, the progenitor of the
570
00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:07.410
slasher movie, it had always been relayed to me, like, how... Well,
571
00:26:07.569 --> 00:26:11.670
it's always related to me how high Michael Myers' body
572
00:26:11.710 --> 00:26:14.619
count was. But no one ever explained to me that
573
00:26:15.210 --> 00:26:19.259
really in the first movie, it's only like, what, six people?
574
00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:22.240
I think so. It's very low.
575
00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:24.740
Because it's Judith and then the 14. So, yeah, it's
576
00:26:24.779 --> 00:26:27.509
only like five or six. Judith and then the guy
577
00:26:27.569 --> 00:26:28.549
that he steals the car.
578
00:26:28.569 --> 00:26:29.450
Truck.
579
00:26:30.089 --> 00:26:30.970
No, it was a car.
580
00:26:31.009 --> 00:26:32.230
Sorry, he steals a truck in part four.
581
00:26:32.250 --> 00:26:35.539
Okay. Steals the car and then the 14. So yeah,
582
00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:37.079
it's like five or six people.
583
00:26:37.339 --> 00:26:39.160
Five on-screen human kills.
584
00:26:39.539 --> 00:26:44.420
Okay. But throughout the series, he kills a lot of people.
585
00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:48.690
So that's kind of what had always been relayed to me.
586
00:26:49.150 --> 00:26:52.029
So if you count Judith Myers at the opening and
587
00:26:52.089 --> 00:26:56.029
the mechanic, which you see off screen, most people say
588
00:26:56.730 --> 00:26:59.930
five to seven deaths. Okay. It depends on which ones
589
00:26:59.950 --> 00:27:01.190
you count. Okay.
590
00:27:02.490 --> 00:27:04.029
So even that's not fully confirmed.
591
00:27:04.990 --> 00:27:08.789
Well, and then it gets worse because you've got to
592
00:27:08.849 --> 00:27:11.369
remember that there are the sequels. We could do an
593
00:27:11.430 --> 00:27:15.109
entire show just talking about the entomology of the sequels
594
00:27:15.250 --> 00:27:18.650
of Halloween. Because you have Halloween 1 and Halloween 2,
595
00:27:18.650 --> 00:27:20.190
which are direct sequels to each other.
596
00:27:20.269 --> 00:27:20.410
Yeah.
597
00:27:20.490 --> 00:27:22.670
Then Halloween 3, which is a totally different movie.
598
00:27:22.690 --> 00:27:23.910
Has nothing to do with anything.
599
00:27:24.329 --> 00:27:27.390
And then Halloween 4 is a direct sequel to 2.
600
00:27:27.390 --> 00:27:30.500
Halloween 5 is a direct sequel to 4. And then
601
00:27:30.579 --> 00:27:33.859
Halloween 6 is a direct sequel to 5. But then
602
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.200
you get Halloween 7 H2O, and it's a direct sequel
603
00:27:37.259 --> 00:27:40.740
to 2. It's a direct sequel to 2.
604
00:27:40.740 --> 00:27:40.900
Yeah.
605
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:42.799
And then you get Resurrection, which is a direct sequel
606
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:47.599
to H2O. And then that ends. And then you get
607
00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:52.859
Halloween 2018, I believe it was. Yeah, 2018, which I love.
608
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:56.680
But that's a direct sequel to 1. So that leaves
609
00:27:56.779 --> 00:28:00.079
two out again entirely as to where nothing else had
610
00:28:00.099 --> 00:28:02.279
ever left to out. They'd left tons of other stuff out,
611
00:28:02.299 --> 00:28:02.960
but never to.
612
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:03.319
Yeah.
613
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:05.460
So then you have that one and then it has
614
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:08.519
its own trilogy in there too. So there's a lot
615
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:11.859
of timeline breaks in there. So if you wanted to
616
00:28:11.900 --> 00:28:15.289
get his, his onscreen kill count, it is argued at
617
00:28:15.289 --> 00:28:16.890
155 to 161. If you just count kills that he did.
618
00:28:16.950 --> 00:28:17.029
Okay.
619
00:28:22.819 --> 00:28:26.079
If you do just the original timeline, it's between 58
620
00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:28.259
to 72 kills. If you count just Halloween up to
621
00:28:28.339 --> 00:28:31.589
Curse of Michael Myers, which is part six. H2O timeline,
622
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:35.529
it's 30 to 52 kills, depending on how you count. Oh, God,
623
00:28:35.549 --> 00:28:38.210
I totally forgot. And the Rob Zombie remakes. But those
624
00:28:38.230 --> 00:28:39.990
are not canon at all. I mean, I don't like
625
00:28:40.029 --> 00:28:41.710
them very much. I think if you like them, that's
626
00:28:41.730 --> 00:28:45.450
totally okay. But they don't canon into anything other than themselves.
627
00:28:45.490 --> 00:28:46.390
That's why I didn't think of them.
628
00:28:46.650 --> 00:28:47.509
Okay, yeah, yeah.
629
00:28:47.589 --> 00:28:51.900
In that one, 31 to 41 kills. And then in
630
00:28:51.940 --> 00:28:55.960
the David Gordon Green trilogy alone, it's 20 to 30
631
00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:59.539
deaths in a single night. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. Sorry.
632
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:03.019
That's just Halloween kills, which makes sense because they're called kills,
633
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:05.960
which brings the modern timelines total kills to 60 plus.
634
00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:10.339
So he has one of the higher body counts competitive
635
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:14.279
only with like Jason Voorhees. Yeah. But yeah, so that's
636
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.400
that's interesting. I mean, because when it comes to slasher
637
00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:20.420
movies in particular, you've got to remember that for the
638
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:24.230
longest time. The way you saw them was, are they
639
00:29:24.269 --> 00:29:28.910
on cable or do you have an older family member
640
00:29:29.009 --> 00:29:33.490
who is either loaning you tapes or taking you to
641
00:29:33.509 --> 00:29:39.109
the theater or you're relying on your local Hollywood video,
642
00:29:39.170 --> 00:29:42.730
family video, movie? gallery, or mom and pop video store
643
00:29:42.890 --> 00:29:44.529
that may or may not be a tanning salon. And
644
00:29:44.549 --> 00:29:47.829
that's not a joke. You probably don't remember that. I don't.
645
00:29:47.930 --> 00:29:50.359
It was not just here, but we had tanning salon
646
00:29:50.380 --> 00:29:52.779
video stores, and they were very common throughout the United States.
647
00:29:53.140 --> 00:29:55.519
Do you remember when they had little video rentals in Kroger?
648
00:29:55.900 --> 00:29:57.880
Oh, absolutely. I remember that all the time.
649
00:29:58.059 --> 00:29:58.319
Yeah.
650
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:02.680
I rented my first... viewing of mystery science theater 3000,
651
00:30:02.660 --> 00:30:06.039
the movie at Kroger. So when they had that little
652
00:30:06.059 --> 00:30:09.170
video section, so, or maybe around here, accent video, West
653
00:30:09.210 --> 00:30:13.150
coast video, those were two that were around, but you,
654
00:30:14.069 --> 00:30:17.349
there was no guarantee that every movie was there. Like I,
655
00:30:17.369 --> 00:30:23.759
I didn't see Friday the 13th part seven until I
656
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:26.359
was like, like, really sit down and watch it until
657
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:27.940
I was like 16 or 17 when it came out
658
00:30:27.980 --> 00:30:30.660
on DVD, because none of my rental places had all
659
00:30:30.700 --> 00:30:33.740
the tapes. All of them had that combined.
660
00:30:34.420 --> 00:30:34.640
Yeah.
661
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.809
Like, so there'd be ones missing as well. So my
662
00:30:37.849 --> 00:30:40.289
point is I could see people having a fractured memory
663
00:30:40.650 --> 00:30:43.289
because people would, would remember, you know, they'd remember Jason
664
00:30:43.309 --> 00:30:44.750
Voorhees having a chainsaw.
665
00:30:45.029 --> 00:30:45.230
Right.
666
00:30:45.470 --> 00:30:49.130
Or they remember, you know, Michael Myers killing a bunch
667
00:30:49.150 --> 00:30:52.059
of people really aggressively. It's actually very similar to Rambo.
668
00:30:52.859 --> 00:30:55.960
Rambo barely kills technically one person, if you want to
669
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:59.380
say two, in First Blood. But everybody remembers Rambo in
670
00:30:59.380 --> 00:31:02.460
2 and 3 where it was berserk. So people will
671
00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:04.309
be like, oh, Rambo's so crazy. It's like, not that
672
00:31:04.349 --> 00:31:07.809
first one. It's kind of like that. People can only
673
00:31:07.849 --> 00:31:10.509
remember so much because back then you couldn't marathon them
674
00:31:10.549 --> 00:31:13.210
every single weekend unless you had the kind of dough
675
00:31:13.509 --> 00:31:16.410
and willingness to buy the tapes or whatever. Which is
676
00:31:16.450 --> 00:31:18.569
why I was such an immense Nightmare on Elm Street
677
00:31:18.589 --> 00:31:22.309
fan because I had all of the original six on tape.
678
00:31:22.710 --> 00:31:22.890
Yeah.
679
00:31:23.289 --> 00:31:24.710
So I was able, I was watching them all the
680
00:31:24.750 --> 00:31:27.089
time and they really, I really remembered them, you know,
681
00:31:27.109 --> 00:31:29.529
super well because of that. So, so that's why I'm
682
00:31:29.549 --> 00:31:31.910
not surprised that you kind of had been fed like
683
00:31:31.950 --> 00:31:33.750
a different concept.
684
00:31:34.130 --> 00:31:37.509
Yeah, yeah, it was. And it wasn't, I wouldn't say
685
00:31:37.529 --> 00:31:42.410
it was an entirely erroneous concept because I'd still like
686
00:31:42.490 --> 00:31:45.430
managed to catch through the zeitgeist stuff about like Michael
687
00:31:45.470 --> 00:31:48.670
Myers or Laurie Strode or, you know, the boogeyman or
688
00:31:48.730 --> 00:31:49.059
the shape.
689
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:50.470
It's pronounced poltergeist, not zeitgeist.
690
00:31:52.789 --> 00:31:55.730
But as you and I watched it the first time,
691
00:31:55.750 --> 00:32:00.210
I realized it was about, like, halfway through the movie.
692
00:32:00.349 --> 00:32:03.309
I was like, I like this so much better than
693
00:32:04.029 --> 00:32:07.450
the movie that was described to me. Because it is
694
00:32:07.549 --> 00:32:12.730
so psychological and you really do, like, it's so intense
695
00:32:12.789 --> 00:32:16.250
because of how much is happening, like, behind the scenes and, like,
696
00:32:16.650 --> 00:32:19.250
the way it's all set up and everything. It's like
697
00:32:19.829 --> 00:32:23.890
watching a chess game unfold in front of you. That's fair.
698
00:32:23.910 --> 00:32:24.769
That's a good way to put it.
699
00:32:24.890 --> 00:32:27.470
Yeah, I was really impressed the more I watch it.
700
00:32:27.549 --> 00:32:29.930
And yeah, I think every time I watch it, I
701
00:32:29.970 --> 00:32:32.730
find something new to appreciate about it.
702
00:32:32.730 --> 00:32:33.759
I would agree.
703
00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:38.220
I think that, especially since I didn't, you know, the
704
00:32:38.259 --> 00:32:40.220
first time I got to see it was only like, what,
705
00:32:40.220 --> 00:32:42.740
10 years ago. So I don't have the lifetime of
706
00:32:42.819 --> 00:32:46.259
experience of like having it on cable or anything.
707
00:32:46.539 --> 00:32:51.990
Well, I think that's not an unvaluable element. I mean,
708
00:32:52.049 --> 00:32:53.509
I think that there is something to be said for
709
00:32:53.589 --> 00:32:56.470
not having nostalgia for something. It can give you a
710
00:32:56.490 --> 00:32:58.809
very different view. I always believe that that's why Wes
711
00:32:58.849 --> 00:33:02.329
Craven had such a fascinating understanding of movies, because he
712
00:33:02.589 --> 00:33:05.599
grew up in a type of almost Quaker home.
713
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:06.700
Oh, yeah.
714
00:33:07.299 --> 00:33:08.640
I don't think he was literally a Quaker, but it
715
00:33:08.660 --> 00:33:11.380
was something similar to that. And he didn't see a movie,
716
00:33:11.700 --> 00:33:13.619
aside from religious cartoons, until he was 20.
717
00:33:13.619 --> 00:33:14.700
Okay, yeah, yeah.
718
00:33:15.579 --> 00:33:16.859
So he saw The Wizard of Oz for the first
719
00:33:16.900 --> 00:33:19.240
time at 20. But that's going to be very different.
720
00:33:19.259 --> 00:33:21.380
You're going to have a much more analytical mind. You're
721
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:24.039
going to have a lot more understanding of things. But
722
00:33:24.660 --> 00:33:36.609
we'll figure it out together right after this. Obviously, one
723
00:33:36.630 --> 00:33:39.230
of the things I think stands out with the film
724
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:44.900
more than just the mastery of the craft which is there.
725
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:48.319
I'm not, I'm not denying it. When I once saw
726
00:33:48.980 --> 00:33:53.220
at the drive-in, they did a showing of Halloween, Friday
727
00:33:53.259 --> 00:33:55.099
the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street all together, right?
728
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:55.859
Oh man.
729
00:33:56.259 --> 00:33:59.240
It was awesome, but it also made me really realize
730
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:03.559
how great Halloween looked while costing about $ 300, 000. How awful
731
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:07.400
Friday the 13th looked having cost maybe I think 150
732
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:12.429
to $ 200, 000. And then everyone else really looked great, but
733
00:34:12.449 --> 00:34:14.710
it cost multiple millions of dollars. Right, right. It was
734
00:34:14.730 --> 00:34:16.250
just kind of funny, but I did blow my mind.
735
00:34:16.269 --> 00:34:19.590
I was like, but Halloween was really a small movie. Yeah, yeah.
736
00:34:19.690 --> 00:34:21.929
And it looked much, much bigger than it had any
737
00:34:22.010 --> 00:34:24.280
right looking. And a lot of that was due to
738
00:34:24.340 --> 00:34:28.239
Dean Cundy's cinematography. Absolutely. Dean Cundy went on to do
739
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:32.300
things like Jurassic Park and Back to the Future. And
740
00:34:32.340 --> 00:34:34.940
of course, Halloween 1, 2, and 3. He was a
741
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:40.159
genius cinematographer and he, kind of invented the concepts that
742
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:45.710
made Michael Myers, AKA the shape. So scary. He spent
743
00:34:45.789 --> 00:34:49.070
the whole movie trying to use composition and lighting to
744
00:34:49.150 --> 00:34:52.849
make you afraid of negative space. He made you look
745
00:34:52.949 --> 00:34:56.539
for Michael all the time. And, uh, he was John
746
00:34:56.559 --> 00:34:59.980
Carpenter's go-to for a really like for at least almost
747
00:35:00.059 --> 00:35:02.090
a decade after this movie. Oh, wow.
748
00:35:02.329 --> 00:35:03.510
I mean, I can see why.
749
00:35:03.769 --> 00:35:06.030
Well, and I mean, Cundy had shot, I think one
750
00:35:06.070 --> 00:35:07.989
or two other movies and they were not the kind,
751
00:35:08.070 --> 00:35:11.420
I think he'd shot like a silly sex comedy before that.
752
00:35:11.460 --> 00:35:13.579
Like he hadn't really had a chance to like do
753
00:35:13.659 --> 00:35:16.659
anything that really he could show off.
754
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:17.260
Yeah.
755
00:35:17.579 --> 00:35:22.519
And Halloween was just like one giant show off reel. Yeah. So,
756
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:26.280
and it's funny, you know, of, of these films, Halloween
757
00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:28.969
and Texas Chainsaw Massacre, two films that could not look
758
00:35:29.369 --> 00:35:34.349
more different from each other. As far as visual language
759
00:35:34.550 --> 00:35:38.360
and craftsmanship and nothing against Texas Chainsaw. It's just, it
760
00:35:38.500 --> 00:35:43.719
looked grainier and grittier, had immensely less money. And that
761
00:35:43.739 --> 00:35:46.380
was the goal. But both of those cinematographers, Daniel Pearl
762
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:48.659
from Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Dean Cunningham from Halloween became
763
00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:51.920
two of the most sought after cinematographers in all of Hollywood.
764
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.079
So it's just kind of, it's just kind of funny.
765
00:35:55.099 --> 00:35:57.199
They're both, well, I think Dean has slowed down quite
766
00:35:57.239 --> 00:35:59.320
a bit. I think he was quite a bit older. Uh,
767
00:35:59.510 --> 00:36:02.679
but Dean, I mean, his most recent, he was a
768
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:05.980
shooting on a TV series in 2023. Oh man. And
769
00:36:06.019 --> 00:36:07.380
I know that. Well, and the other thing is it's
770
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:12.679
hard to know what all he's really doing because cinematographers
771
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.219
bread and butter is commercials and those aren't on IMDb
772
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:18.340
and stuff like that. And I really learned that how
773
00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:20.599
much that was true because Dan Pearl, who is still
774
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:23.940
working constantly, the DP, I follow him on Instagram and
775
00:36:23.980 --> 00:36:27.760
he is always on like an American express commercial or something. Okay.
776
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:30.099
Flying to like, you know, Serbia to shoot a series
777
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:33.519
of ads. Yeah. So there's gotta be dough if he's
778
00:36:33.579 --> 00:36:36.460
always flying in planes and stuff. But, uh, here are
779
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:39.420
just a few Dean Cundy films. Actually, wow. I was
780
00:36:39.460 --> 00:36:47.110
totally wrong. He, I apologize. He shot a lot before Halloween. Oh, really?
781
00:36:47.699 --> 00:36:49.449
Or am I looking or am I crazy? What am
782
00:36:49.489 --> 00:36:52.469
I looking at? That's why am I wrong? Cause Halloween
783
00:36:52.510 --> 00:36:52.650
was 1978.
784
00:36:52.630 --> 00:36:52.710
Yeah.
785
00:36:55.460 --> 00:36:58.260
So why am I not seeing it on his list? Oh,
786
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:00.320
there it is. Because, okay, so yeah, he shot a
787
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:02.199
lot of movies before Halloween. I was totally wrong.
788
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:02.920
Okay.
789
00:37:03.420 --> 00:37:07.199
But they were not like that. Like he shot the
790
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:10.809
No Mercy Man, which exploitation movie, Brother on the Run,
791
00:37:10.829 --> 00:37:14.809
another exploitation movie, Where the Red Fern Grows, which was pretty.
792
00:37:15.550 --> 00:37:18.829
He shot So Evil, My Sister, exploitation movie. Oh, shoot.
793
00:37:18.849 --> 00:37:20.329
He shot The Witch Who Came from the Sea, which
794
00:37:20.349 --> 00:37:23.789
actually is a very underrated exploitation movie. Creature from Black Lake,
795
00:37:23.829 --> 00:37:26.949
Black Shampoo, which is an exploitation movie. Satan's Cheerleaders, phenomenal
796
00:37:26.989 --> 00:37:31.489
exploitation movie. These are all before Halloween. So then he
797
00:37:31.510 --> 00:37:34.710
did Halloween. Then he did Angel's Brigade, exploitation movie. Rock
798
00:37:34.730 --> 00:37:38.559
and Roll High School, exploitation movie for Roger Corman. The Fog,
799
00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:43.820
John Carpenter. Without Warning, great horror movie. Halloween 2, Jaws
800
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.579
of Satan, exploitation movie. The Thing, Halloween 3, Season of
801
00:37:46.619 --> 00:37:53.039
the Witch. Psycho 2, very underrated. And it just keeps going.
802
00:37:53.059 --> 00:37:55.420
And then by, I think, where is his big break?
803
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:57.579
And then 89, he shoots Roadhouse.
804
00:37:57.599 --> 00:37:58.179
Oh, wow.
805
00:37:58.219 --> 00:38:01.010
Big deal. Then he shoots Back to the Future 2
806
00:38:01.010 --> 00:38:03.130
and 3. Oh, he shot Back to the Future 1
807
00:38:03.130 --> 00:38:05.650
at 85. So yeah, Back to the Future was really
808
00:38:05.670 --> 00:38:08.050
when he started to do huge movies. Yeah. Because he
809
00:38:08.070 --> 00:38:09.409
did Back to the Future and then Big Trouble in
810
00:38:09.429 --> 00:38:13.829
Little China. And then Who Framed Roger Rabbit in 1988.
811
00:38:13.829 --> 00:38:16.630
Then Roadhouse. Then Back to the Future 2 and 3.
812
00:38:16.610 --> 00:38:20.989
Then he shot Hook. He shot Jurassic Park, Death Becomes Her,
813
00:38:21.010 --> 00:38:26.750
the Flintstones movie, Casper, Apollo 13, Flubber, Krippendorf's Tribe, Parent Trap.
814
00:38:27.489 --> 00:38:30.230
That was in a row. Good God. I was reading
815
00:38:30.269 --> 00:38:32.889
that in the order they came out that he did them.
816
00:38:32.909 --> 00:38:36.599
Good God. Man, Hook and Jurassic Park?
817
00:38:36.940 --> 00:38:38.760
Yeah, he did Hook. I guess Hook was how he
818
00:38:38.820 --> 00:38:42.099
and Spielberg got fully hooked up, but I mean, didn't
819
00:38:42.139 --> 00:38:44.659
mean to do that. But also remember that Spielberg produced
820
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:46.300
on Back to the Future. Oh, that's right. So that's
821
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:47.960
how he would have gotten on his radar, especially.
822
00:38:48.699 --> 00:38:53.039
Well, thank you, Dean Cundey, for like just filling my
823
00:38:53.099 --> 00:38:55.800
childhood and adulthood with great movies.
824
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:57.739
Same here. And Murdered Teenagers.
825
00:38:58.179 --> 00:38:58.639
Oh, yeah.
826
00:38:59.010 --> 00:39:01.329
Oh, and Who Framed Roger Rabbit. That was in there
827
00:39:01.369 --> 00:39:01.750
and it just.
828
00:39:03.530 --> 00:39:05.789
Yeah, no, I mean, he had his fingerprints on on
829
00:39:05.949 --> 00:39:10.489
so much. Dean Cundey is definitely worth celebrating in the film. Yeah.
830
00:39:10.889 --> 00:39:13.239
And the reason one of the reasons that Halloween one,
831
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:16.400
two and three look so amazing on their every Blu-ray
832
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:20.420
edition and then the 4K editions. Kandi has personally overseen
833
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:22.849
all of the transfers to make sure that they look
834
00:39:22.889 --> 00:39:27.489
the way he intended them to look so really brilliant
835
00:39:27.849 --> 00:39:31.030
guy and one of the reasons the film works so well.
836
00:39:31.349 --> 00:39:35.380
The other element is the seasonal element, which is extra
837
00:39:35.449 --> 00:39:38.949
funny because it's in the fall, right? It takes place
838
00:39:38.969 --> 00:39:40.679
in the fall, obviously, because it's called Halloween.
839
00:39:40.980 --> 00:39:41.280
Yeah.
840
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:49.349
They had to buy leaves from Or take like rip
841
00:39:49.389 --> 00:39:54.440
leaves off of trees and paint them. It's not that funny. Jeez.
842
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:58.840
And they had like these big sacks of leaves and
843
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:01.539
they would have to dump them out, film, and then
844
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:03.860
scoop them up. Yeah. And then put them somewhere else.
845
00:40:04.300 --> 00:40:07.329
The other thing you'll notice is the quality of pumpkins
846
00:40:07.389 --> 00:40:09.690
that they had access to vary a lot. Some of
847
00:40:09.710 --> 00:40:12.349
the pumpkins look totally like pumpkins and they're totally cool.
848
00:40:12.610 --> 00:40:14.070
And some of them you're like, what is with that pumpkin?
849
00:40:14.090 --> 00:40:14.170
Yeah.
850
00:40:15.179 --> 00:40:17.010
And some of that is also because the pumpkins were
851
00:40:17.030 --> 00:40:20.550
being lit with insanely bright lights in order to photograph
852
00:40:20.610 --> 00:40:24.909
on 35 millimeter film. But so you have the pumpkins,
853
00:40:25.349 --> 00:40:28.750
you have the leaves, which, cause I believe this was
854
00:40:28.769 --> 00:40:32.099
shot in the summer, the end of the summer. So,
855
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:37.159
but also they set this in Illinois, Haddonfield, Illinois, fictional
856
00:40:37.179 --> 00:40:41.179
town in Illinois, but it took place or it was
857
00:40:41.340 --> 00:40:43.219
filmed rather in California.
858
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:43.840
Yeah. Yes.
859
00:40:44.059 --> 00:40:47.110
And much like in Nightmare on Elm Street, you occasionally
860
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:49.289
see palm trees, if you really look.
861
00:40:49.590 --> 00:40:49.670
Yes.
862
00:40:49.690 --> 00:40:51.530
Because Nightmare on Elm Street was also supposed to be
863
00:40:52.269 --> 00:40:55.170
unknown Midwest. In the first film, they never said Springwood, Ohio.
864
00:40:55.849 --> 00:40:57.829
That came later. But it was just supposed to be
865
00:40:57.869 --> 00:41:03.469
some random Americana town. Now, Carpenter did not know Illinois,
866
00:41:03.489 --> 00:41:05.670
because Carpenter's from Kentucky.
867
00:41:06.469 --> 00:41:06.949
Oh, really?
868
00:41:06.969 --> 00:41:09.079
I'm almost certain. Or he went to school in Kentucky. See,
869
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:11.920
now I don't trust myself. Because for some reason, I
870
00:41:11.940 --> 00:41:14.630
thought Dean Cundy had done, like, two movies and now
871
00:41:14.690 --> 00:41:15.309
i'm like oh.
872
00:41:15.250 --> 00:41:17.570
Boy maybe i don't even know anything at all.
873
00:41:17.690 --> 00:41:20.010
I mean i probably don't but no so you have
874
00:41:20.030 --> 00:41:24.369
that that that autumnal experience which i know um you
875
00:41:24.409 --> 00:41:27.769
had a very different understanding of yes then oh he
876
00:41:27.789 --> 00:41:31.400
was born in carthage new york i'm stupid see although
877
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:34.360
carthage was upstate which is more like illinois than california
878
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:38.559
is But anyway, but I know he went to school
879
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:44.409
in Kentucky. Okay. Regardless, but you were a no Halloween household.
880
00:41:44.769 --> 00:41:45.409
That's correct.
881
00:41:45.849 --> 00:41:46.090
Yeah.
882
00:41:46.170 --> 00:41:49.489
We did not celebrate Halloween because it's the devil's holiday.
883
00:41:49.510 --> 00:41:52.590
I mean, kind of. Yeah. He's got to have one.
884
00:41:53.340 --> 00:41:57.179
Well, sure. But like, he's the bad guy. So you
885
00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:58.579
don't celebrate.
886
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:00.239
Yeah, so keep him in his place. You know, you
887
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:03.139
got to know where he is. That's better than not knowing.
888
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:06.519
Yeah. It's better to know where your enemy is.
889
00:42:06.739 --> 00:42:08.639
Do you know where the name Halloween came from?
890
00:42:09.539 --> 00:42:11.760
Isn't it like All Hallows' Eve or something?
891
00:42:11.909 --> 00:42:14.789
Yeah, All Hallows' Eve. And it just kept getting compressed
892
00:42:14.829 --> 00:42:17.710
and compressed as we love to do in English. Yeah,
893
00:42:17.730 --> 00:42:20.070
just smoosh it. Compressed and compressed until it was, because
894
00:42:20.110 --> 00:42:25.070
it was really Halloween, apostrophe E-N, as in Halloween evening. Okay.
895
00:42:25.190 --> 00:42:29.360
Or Hallows' evening. All just. Okay. So Halloween.
896
00:42:29.380 --> 00:42:30.409
I mean. Halloween.
897
00:42:30.590 --> 00:42:34.110
Halloween. And that's, I want to say that phrase was
898
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.500
like from 1920. It's very new. One of my favorite
899
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:44.219
parts about reading Halloween Party or whatever, the Hercule Poirot's mystery,
900
00:42:45.099 --> 00:42:48.159
is that they are like explaining, they're like, what are
901
00:42:48.179 --> 00:42:50.489
we doing here? It's like, oh, it's a wonderful game
902
00:42:50.530 --> 00:42:52.349
I read in a book or in a magazine about
903
00:42:52.389 --> 00:42:54.469
bobbing for apples. It's like people were like, wait, how
904
00:42:54.489 --> 00:42:56.650
do I celebrate Halloween though? Because it was brand new,
905
00:42:57.469 --> 00:42:59.849
you know? So it was like a fad at that
906
00:42:59.869 --> 00:43:02.590
time that caught on. Kind of like our modern Christmas
907
00:43:02.889 --> 00:43:05.400
was like maybe 20 or 30 years earlier. The kind
908
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.639
of the version that we really do now had started. Yes.
909
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:11.539
With people kind of like, yeah, pushing it out there.
910
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:11.780
Yeah.
911
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:16.059
Anyway, so for you, I mean, well, you were homeschooled,
912
00:43:16.099 --> 00:43:17.849
so you didn't get to see like all the decorations
913
00:43:17.889 --> 00:43:18.789
go up at school.
914
00:43:18.809 --> 00:43:19.969
Yeah.
915
00:43:20.309 --> 00:43:23.150
What was Halloween to you as a kid who didn't
916
00:43:23.170 --> 00:43:25.489
get to celebrate it, but you had to see it around?
917
00:43:25.510 --> 00:43:31.500
So, yeah. Yeah, I saw it around, but it's like, well,
918
00:43:32.099 --> 00:43:35.980
we weren't, like, my parents had to vet, like, Halloween
919
00:43:36.019 --> 00:43:39.139
specials on TV. So, like, you know, we'd have to
920
00:43:39.219 --> 00:43:41.260
ask them, are we allowed to watch this? Because they'd
921
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:43.000
have to check and make sure if it was too
922
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:47.030
scary or too demonic for us. Which is the best kind.
923
00:43:48.139 --> 00:43:53.769
And then, like, you know, as far as, like, Beggar's Night.
924
00:43:55.809 --> 00:43:57.030
For those not from the Midwest.
925
00:43:57.050 --> 00:43:57.250
Yeah.
926
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:00.920
Beggar's night is the night you trick-or-treat.
927
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:02.159
Yes, trick-or-treat night.
928
00:44:02.619 --> 00:44:06.139
And out here, until really the last four or five years,
929
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:11.059
it was generally speaking not Halloween night. So that's something
930
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:12.860
that when I lived in Jersey, I'd be like, what
931
00:44:12.900 --> 00:44:15.679
night did the kids come for trick-or-treat? And they were like, Halloween.
932
00:44:15.699 --> 00:44:18.199
And I'd be like, yeah, but what night is the candy?
933
00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:21.570
And they'd just look at me like, Halloween? And I
934
00:44:22.050 --> 00:44:23.949
found out later, I was like, oh, that's a Midwest thing.
935
00:44:24.050 --> 00:44:24.280
Yeah.
936
00:44:24.739 --> 00:44:26.369
In part to keep kids from out of trouble.
937
00:44:26.690 --> 00:44:26.829
Mm-hmm.
938
00:44:27.300 --> 00:44:30.619
Cause we had like really bad issues with delinquency. Cause
939
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:32.340
there was a period of time where it was the,
940
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:36.239
it was mischief night. It truly was mischief night. So anyway,
941
00:44:36.260 --> 00:44:38.010
so beggar's night is when, for those who don't know,
942
00:44:38.429 --> 00:44:40.269
that's when trick or treating comes out. I love the
943
00:44:40.309 --> 00:44:41.130
term beggar's night.
944
00:44:41.530 --> 00:44:43.510
Oh, I, yeah, I think it's a great term. I
945
00:44:43.530 --> 00:44:47.309
think it's cute. Um, and as, as an adult, like
946
00:44:47.349 --> 00:44:49.469
the more I know about the history of Halloween and
947
00:44:49.610 --> 00:44:52.150
like the history of like going to door to door
948
00:44:52.190 --> 00:44:55.289
and like asking for treats and different, uh, European cultures.
949
00:44:55.329 --> 00:44:56.269
I just think it's fun.
950
00:44:56.570 --> 00:44:58.730
I think the funniest part is that the tradition really
951
00:44:58.789 --> 00:44:59.650
comes from Christmas.
952
00:45:00.010 --> 00:45:00.309
Yeah.
953
00:45:00.349 --> 00:45:03.230
There's way more Christmas begging at the doors, you know,
954
00:45:03.250 --> 00:45:05.110
figgy pudding and stuff like that.
955
00:45:06.780 --> 00:45:10.820
But what my, we, we tried handing out candy for,
956
00:45:10.980 --> 00:45:15.510
for beggars night, but my parents would get upset. Cause like, uh,
957
00:45:15.699 --> 00:45:18.360
how scary the costumes would be sometimes.
958
00:45:18.380 --> 00:45:20.420
Uh, So they would let you kids hand out candy?
959
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:22.340
Or just the house was handing out candy?
960
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:23.730
Just the house was handing out candy.
961
00:45:23.750 --> 00:45:25.289
But she didn't like how scary that costume should be?
962
00:45:25.670 --> 00:45:30.650
So finally it became, for Beggar's Night, we would like
963
00:45:30.670 --> 00:45:34.369
turn off all the lights, pull up in the basement
964
00:45:34.530 --> 00:45:37.559
and like heat up a pizza and just wait for
965
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:39.300
everyone to stop ringing the door.
966
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:42.139
It should be mentioned, you had a very large family.
967
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:42.230
Yes.
968
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.360
Yes. Yes. At that point, how many kids were in there,
969
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:45.880
in that house?
970
00:45:47.019 --> 00:45:49.539
So my two older sisters and then me and then
971
00:45:49.579 --> 00:45:50.699
my two younger brothers.
972
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.699
Yes, that's a lot of kids. That's five kids.
973
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:56.739
That's five kids. Now, to be fair, my two older sisters,
974
00:45:56.820 --> 00:45:59.920
since they have their mom, they would often choose to
975
00:46:00.059 --> 00:46:02.500
do what any self-respecting child would do.
976
00:46:02.539 --> 00:46:03.980
Often as in always. Always.
977
00:46:04.059 --> 00:46:06.280
They would spend Halloween with their mom so they could
978
00:46:06.300 --> 00:46:08.059
go get the candy. Yeah, they would. Because she'd be
979
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:08.820
stupid not to.
980
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:09.460
Yeah, what the hell?
981
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:13.860
But yeah, so we would not get candy. We would just,
982
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:17.079
like it was the zombie apocalypse, hole up in the
983
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:21.780
basement and wait for it to pass over. Or like Passover.
984
00:46:22.019 --> 00:46:25.139
Or like Passover. Wait for it to pass over. Yeah,
985
00:46:25.610 --> 00:46:29.789
my family's church did that a couple times too. The Passover.
986
00:46:31.429 --> 00:46:35.030
Occasionally there would be like a fall festival like at
987
00:46:35.070 --> 00:46:38.150
the church or the civic center or something that we
988
00:46:38.190 --> 00:46:41.039
would go to, but very specifically like It was not
989
00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:45.429
Halloween because that's the devil's holiday. It's a fall festival
990
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:49.969
or a harvest festival, which is basically Halloween.
991
00:46:49.989 --> 00:46:53.210
I mean, yeah, that's really what Halloween is, is a
992
00:46:53.250 --> 00:46:56.329
part of the harvest festival. So did you resent not
993
00:46:56.349 --> 00:46:57.849
getting to go out for treats or did you just
994
00:46:57.889 --> 00:46:59.449
not understand it so you didn't really care?
995
00:47:00.250 --> 00:47:02.639
Oh, no, I resented it. And I also resented the
996
00:47:02.659 --> 00:47:06.199
fact that I couldn't dress up much. Yeah. Because, like,
997
00:47:06.579 --> 00:47:10.099
at the church things, they would occasionally let you do, like,
998
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:13.360
a costume, like a costume contest, but it had to
999
00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:15.280
be a character from the Bible. Like it had to
1000
00:47:15.300 --> 00:47:18.449
be a Bible thing. So my go-to was always Noah's Ark.
1001
00:47:19.389 --> 00:47:20.210
You could be an animal.
1002
00:47:20.309 --> 00:47:20.489
Yeah.
1003
00:47:20.969 --> 00:47:23.269
Well, you know, what's funny is I was like my first,
1004
00:47:23.369 --> 00:47:26.730
my first instinct being a man of 40 born in 1986.
1005
00:47:26.730 --> 00:47:30.530
So I'm trick-or-treating through the nineties. My first thought was
1006
00:47:30.570 --> 00:47:33.219
like upset by the costumes that came to the door.
1007
00:47:33.570 --> 00:47:36.579
And then also me remembering all of the blood capsules
1008
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:39.289
I bought that I would buy it. And have blood
1009
00:47:39.329 --> 00:47:40.269
just gushing out of.
1010
00:47:40.269 --> 00:47:40.909
My mouth every door.
1011
00:47:40.969 --> 00:47:42.409
Yeah, you were one of the kids, my mom. I
1012
00:47:42.409 --> 00:47:45.550
guarantee I was. I guarantee. Probably not literally, but maybe.
1013
00:47:45.690 --> 00:47:48.250
But yeah. But no, no, but that's the other funny
1014
00:47:48.269 --> 00:47:50.590
thing is when I look back and really think about
1015
00:47:50.610 --> 00:47:52.980
the costumes, like I was Dracula for multiple years, I
1016
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:58.119
always had blood all over me. Yeah. Feels kind of
1017
00:47:58.179 --> 00:48:00.039
funny that like, you know, you'd be like seven years old,
1018
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:03.699
you're just drenched in blood going door to door. Like, yeah, okay.
1019
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:07.059
It's a little bit twisted, but. you know, but what
1020
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:09.460
are you going to do? I mean, uh, uh, everyone's
1021
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:10.880
entitled to one good scare.
1022
00:48:17.869 --> 00:48:23.010
One of my favorite things about the introduction to Halloween
1023
00:48:23.889 --> 00:48:26.500
is obviously the jack-o'-lantern.
1024
00:48:27.300 --> 00:48:30.119
Oh yeah. That they're just moving towards the jack-o'-lantern.
1025
00:48:30.139 --> 00:48:35.510
Slowly pulling in. And it's, Even the first time that
1026
00:48:35.909 --> 00:48:38.369
I saw it with you, I was like, oh, this is, like,
1027
00:48:38.750 --> 00:48:43.269
sets the creepy tone perfectly because it's perfectly innocuous and
1028
00:48:43.329 --> 00:48:44.469
that's what makes it threatening.
1029
00:48:44.550 --> 00:48:48.429
It also settles into Carpenter's less is more mindset.
1030
00:48:48.769 --> 00:48:48.929
Yeah.
1031
00:48:49.050 --> 00:48:53.409
Because it's just a jack-o'-lantern and a really, like, you know,
1032
00:48:53.510 --> 00:48:57.039
a really in-your-face theme. But that's simple, though. But it does,
1033
00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:02.579
it is bigger, you know. But it's, yeah. And it's
1034
00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:05.239
just moving in. And kind of making you feel this
1035
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:06.679
kind of sense of dread almost.
1036
00:49:06.739 --> 00:49:10.840
Yeah, absolutely. It's kind of like when you're having a
1037
00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:13.239
nightmare and you look at something and there's no rational
1038
00:49:13.300 --> 00:49:16.409
reason it should be scary, but it is. That's kind
1039
00:49:16.429 --> 00:49:17.449
of the feeling that you get.
1040
00:49:17.469 --> 00:49:18.329
Yeah, I could see that.
1041
00:49:18.550 --> 00:49:24.300
And of course, the first scene of the movie kind
1042
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:29.980
of setting up the backstory of Michael Myers. So, I mean,
1043
00:49:30.300 --> 00:49:32.900
it's a great introduction to the character. It's a great
1044
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:36.989
introduction to the story. But I also really like what
1045
00:49:37.050 --> 00:49:41.659
they did with... the killer point of view and how
1046
00:49:41.739 --> 00:49:45.679
it makes it so much more startling that Michael's just
1047
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:46.639
like a seven year old kid.
1048
00:49:46.900 --> 00:49:48.539
It's easy to forget when you've seen that movie a
1049
00:49:48.579 --> 00:49:51.239
million times that the audience doesn't know. I mean, they
1050
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:54.070
hear Michael, you know, my brother, Michael, and then they
1051
00:49:54.090 --> 00:49:57.110
hear go Michael, you know, and all that. But at
1052
00:49:57.130 --> 00:50:00.230
the end of the day, we only know it's a
1053
00:50:00.389 --> 00:50:03.429
little kid and not like a 12 year old or
1054
00:50:03.469 --> 00:50:04.730
something or 13, 14, 15, 16, 20. We don't really know.
1055
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:09.559
I think she might've called him as her little brother.
1056
00:50:09.619 --> 00:50:09.969
That's it.
1057
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:11.820
Yeah. So no context.
1058
00:50:11.900 --> 00:50:14.659
Yeah. So when they, when he stabs her and the
1059
00:50:14.780 --> 00:50:17.260
only critique I really have when he looks up at
1060
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:19.130
his own hand stabbing, I was like, why would you
1061
00:50:19.170 --> 00:50:21.789
do that? But, um, cause the POV is really cool.
1062
00:50:21.829 --> 00:50:24.269
And it was very trailblazing for the time because of
1063
00:50:24.309 --> 00:50:27.010
the steady cam, which I don't think may have even
1064
00:50:27.050 --> 00:50:30.659
been called a steady cam yet. It had been sort
1065
00:50:30.699 --> 00:50:32.340
of invented for the shining.
1066
00:50:33.179 --> 00:50:35.719
Yeah. Cause wasn't it like either steady cam or like
1067
00:50:36.300 --> 00:50:38.099
Panaglide or something.
1068
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:39.460
No, that was what it was originally called.
1069
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:39.820
Yep.
1070
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:40.480
Yeah.
1071
00:50:40.579 --> 00:50:40.920
Okay.
1072
00:50:41.019 --> 00:50:41.539
Panaglide.
1073
00:50:41.579 --> 00:50:44.159
So Dean Cundy was like operating this thing, which is
1074
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:46.300
hard on your back. It's very, very heavy because it
1075
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:48.500
has to have a counterweight. That's the secret is it
1076
00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:50.610
has a counterweight and then it has like a cushion
1077
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:54.469
spring arm holding the camera to help reduce, um, you know,
1078
00:50:54.510 --> 00:50:59.690
movement shake. So if you have a, on the light side,
1079
00:50:59.690 --> 00:51:04.360
28 pound, 35 millimeter camera, then you have to have
1080
00:51:04.380 --> 00:51:07.530
a counterweight the same. And then it's connected to a vest.
1081
00:51:07.550 --> 00:51:09.929
You're not carrying it. It's like hooked to your body
1082
00:51:10.130 --> 00:51:13.210
and you're carrying it. So that's to help relieve the
1083
00:51:13.309 --> 00:51:14.309
tension on your body.
1084
00:51:14.610 --> 00:51:14.929
Yeah.
1085
00:51:15.389 --> 00:51:18.130
And it's funny too because it's not even a perfect
1086
00:51:18.590 --> 00:51:22.170
pantoglide or whatever shot there. It's not that steady. But
1087
00:51:22.210 --> 00:51:24.050
it's much more steady than we were used to.
1088
00:51:24.510 --> 00:51:24.750
Yes.
1089
00:51:25.550 --> 00:51:27.139
So it does give it less of a feeling of
1090
00:51:27.179 --> 00:51:29.739
a guy walking up the stairs holding a camera. And
1091
00:51:29.780 --> 00:51:33.280
I think that that works. I also love the way
1092
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:38.349
they hide the edits, it's very reminiscent of Hitchcock's rope,
1093
00:51:39.050 --> 00:51:40.489
which is a film that's meant to look like it's
1094
00:51:40.550 --> 00:51:41.929
all one take. Yeah.
1095
00:51:42.070 --> 00:51:42.389
Yeah.
1096
00:51:43.110 --> 00:51:45.710
But yeah, when they, when they reveal Michael being a
1097
00:51:45.730 --> 00:51:47.710
little boy, his parents are at the front of the
1098
00:51:47.730 --> 00:51:50.090
house and, and then the camera pulls back and we
1099
00:51:50.110 --> 00:51:53.960
get more of that dread music and they, they stand
1100
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:58.000
in tableau as the camera pulls way, way, way, way back.
1101
00:51:58.739 --> 00:52:01.300
I've always thought that when I was younger, I always
1102
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:02.960
thought it was funny. I mean, not funny, but I mean,
1103
00:52:02.980 --> 00:52:04.139
I thought it was kind of funny. Like, wow, they
1104
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:07.000
really pull super far back while they stand there. As
1105
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:09.579
I got older, I realized, you know what that's doing? Really?
1106
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:12.960
It's saying, look at this horror, and then it's pulling back.
1107
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:15.199
And this is something that's hit me a lot about
1108
00:52:15.619 --> 00:52:21.500
the first Halloween movie, The Older I've Gotten. The neighborhood, Haddonfield,
1109
00:52:21.780 --> 00:52:25.659
is a character. When it pulls back, what it's saying is,
1110
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:29.590
to me, is, Look at this really horrible thing that happened.
1111
00:52:29.949 --> 00:52:32.690
And this is where it happened. It happened in a
1112
00:52:32.809 --> 00:52:37.010
little town on a nice neighborhood street with nice houses,
1113
00:52:37.329 --> 00:52:41.590
big houses. People make money here. Because if you watch
1114
00:52:41.610 --> 00:52:43.190
the rest of the movie with that in mind, you
1115
00:52:43.230 --> 00:52:45.289
realize that a lot of the movies about how suburbia
1116
00:52:45.329 --> 00:52:46.110
doesn't protect you.
1117
00:52:46.789 --> 00:52:47.750
Well, yeah. Yeah.
1118
00:52:47.769 --> 00:52:51.380
Like, because this is an era in American history when
1119
00:52:51.389 --> 00:52:53.380
the suburbs were becoming what they became.
1120
00:52:53.780 --> 00:52:53.929
Yeah.
1121
00:52:53.969 --> 00:52:56.440
People were leaving. It was called, I hate this term.
1122
00:52:57.289 --> 00:52:58.929
But they were calling it White Flight.
1123
00:52:59.769 --> 00:52:59.929
Yeah.
1124
00:52:59.949 --> 00:53:02.409
Because they believed that all the rich white people were
1125
00:53:02.429 --> 00:53:06.480
just leaving the cities. And it bred a lot of
1126
00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:11.119
interesting art. Not really slasher movies so much, but mostly
1127
00:53:11.139 --> 00:53:15.300
the horror boom that came from White Flight was haunted
1128
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:20.449
house movies. The Amityville Horror Book was a hit right
1129
00:53:20.530 --> 00:53:24.059
when tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of people
1130
00:53:24.099 --> 00:53:25.940
were moving to the country and the suburbs for the
1131
00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:28.239
first time ever after living in the city their whole
1132
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:30.599
lives because it used to be the city had those
1133
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:32.980
little track neighborhoods and now there were less of those
1134
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:35.659
or they were seen as too dangerous or they wanted
1135
00:53:35.699 --> 00:53:38.309
bigger houses or whatever it was, whatever reasoning they wanted
1136
00:53:38.329 --> 00:53:41.369
to get out. I don't personally believe it was strictly
1137
00:53:41.409 --> 00:53:43.289
to get away from minorities. I just don't buy that. But,
1138
00:53:44.050 --> 00:53:48.420
you know, I could digress on that forever. But so...
1139
00:53:49.340 --> 00:53:50.940
you get this new home in a place you don't
1140
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:54.760
really understand. And then the horror is like the anxiety
1141
00:53:54.780 --> 00:53:56.659
of buying a new home. The anxiety of not really
1142
00:53:56.699 --> 00:54:00.079
knowing where you live becomes ghosts instead of like a
1143
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:05.130
cracked foundation or a leaky roof or whatever, or bad pipes,
1144
00:54:05.650 --> 00:54:07.829
which is, you know, the real horror of home ownership.
1145
00:54:08.010 --> 00:54:09.710
I mean, is that you never know what's going to
1146
00:54:09.750 --> 00:54:11.929
be a problem next. You got to deal with it.
1147
00:54:12.650 --> 00:54:15.590
So with Halloween, I feel like it was kind of
1148
00:54:15.610 --> 00:54:19.750
a hip thing. of the idea of the, like, super
1149
00:54:19.789 --> 00:54:20.829
safe Americana.
1150
00:54:21.230 --> 00:54:21.909
Yeah.
1151
00:54:22.030 --> 00:54:24.010
That it was kind of representing, you know, it even
1152
00:54:24.070 --> 00:54:26.820
showed Halloween, the holiday, as a very all-American holiday, which
1153
00:54:26.860 --> 00:54:27.500
it kind of is.
1154
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:27.880
Yeah.
1155
00:54:28.420 --> 00:54:31.269
So... That's kind of what I take from that way
1156
00:54:31.309 --> 00:54:34.150
big pullback is it's showing you the neighborhood. It's like, no, no,
1157
00:54:34.210 --> 00:54:37.090
you need to see where this happened. This didn't happen
1158
00:54:37.710 --> 00:54:41.360
in some field in the middle of nowhere. This didn't
1159
00:54:41.409 --> 00:54:45.699
happen in some dank, dark, scary street in, you know,
1160
00:54:45.980 --> 00:54:49.340
Detroit or, you know, what? No, this happened by where
1161
00:54:49.420 --> 00:54:49.920
you live.
1162
00:54:50.219 --> 00:54:52.079
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
1163
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:55.420
And that's what I think makes it work so well.
1164
00:54:55.739 --> 00:54:56.159
Oh, yeah.
1165
00:54:56.300 --> 00:54:56.480
Yeah.
1166
00:54:57.579 --> 00:54:59.539
Well, and that's one of the things that I like
1167
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:07.820
so much is, yeah, Haddonfield has a palm tree here
1168
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:12.840
or there. There's some things that are definitely not Midwest,
1169
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:16.260
but for the most part, they do a really good
1170
00:55:16.300 --> 00:55:19.940
job of making it feel like... It certainly feels like
1171
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:21.610
a small town. Yeah, it feels like a small town.
1172
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:24.409
For lack of a better phrase, it feels like your
1173
00:55:24.769 --> 00:55:27.190
neighborhood and i'm using you in like the royal you
1174
00:55:27.829 --> 00:55:30.869
um and and that's something that i like is even
1175
00:55:30.889 --> 00:55:35.170
even in that that uh tableau where they pull back
1176
00:55:35.949 --> 00:55:39.710
the whole point is saying this is your neighborhood like
1177
00:55:39.730 --> 00:55:40.989
this happened right down.
1178
00:55:40.889 --> 00:55:44.179
The block from you and who was the audience that
1179
00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:46.679
was going to see this at the drive-in and the
1180
00:55:47.019 --> 00:55:50.400
new and the brand new multiplexes literally that were new
1181
00:55:51.489 --> 00:55:58.730
suburban young people. It was literally their neighborhood. Yeah. And
1182
00:55:58.769 --> 00:56:00.820
that I think is one of the reasons it connected.
1183
00:56:01.570 --> 00:56:03.960
But the other element that I think really put, I
1184
00:56:03.980 --> 00:56:06.559
have never really went into this this much. Honestly, this
1185
00:56:06.579 --> 00:56:08.059
is the first time I've really thought about it a ton.
1186
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:11.840
What is Loomis's part? You know, Dr. Loomis, the guy
1187
00:56:11.900 --> 00:56:15.400
who was trying to keep Michael locked up and everything. All,
1188
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:21.309
what does he do? He tries to stop Michael. And meanwhile, he, His, his, his, uh,
1189
00:56:21.469 --> 00:56:25.550
you know, his girl Friday is the sheriff who doesn't
1190
00:56:25.690 --> 00:56:29.329
really believe him, but is trying to like help anyway.
1191
00:56:29.349 --> 00:56:30.510
He was like, do you really think he'd do this?
1192
00:56:30.530 --> 00:56:33.409
Do you really think things like this don't happen in Haddonfield?
1193
00:56:34.769 --> 00:56:36.369
That is my point.
1194
00:56:36.610 --> 00:56:36.909
Yeah.
1195
00:56:36.949 --> 00:56:38.889
You know, it like is a perfect point. Like, and
1196
00:56:38.949 --> 00:56:41.179
he literally, what is it? Death has come to your
1197
00:56:41.219 --> 00:56:46.079
town sheriff. He says that to him. Yeah. It's like,
1198
00:56:46.099 --> 00:56:49.960
and Haddonfield is completely unprepared for this kind of horror.
1199
00:56:50.780 --> 00:56:53.389
But then even when, you know, when Pleasance, when Dr.
1200
00:56:53.429 --> 00:56:55.349
Loomis is back and he's trying to find Judith Meyer's
1201
00:56:55.389 --> 00:56:58.110
grave and he's talking with the gravedigger, it's a pretty
1202
00:56:58.250 --> 00:57:00.550
funny little scene, but he starts saying like, Oh, things
1203
00:57:00.570 --> 00:57:03.309
like this. Oh, there's always one that happens in towns
1204
00:57:03.349 --> 00:57:06.210
like this, you know, two towns over in Russellville. A man,
1205
00:57:06.250 --> 00:57:07.989
he starts telling a story about a guy who apparently
1206
00:57:08.030 --> 00:57:10.210
murders his family, but he gets cut off by Loomis
1207
00:57:10.230 --> 00:57:12.550
who has no desire to like chat, but like stuff
1208
00:57:12.570 --> 00:57:14.840
like that though. It's, that's funny though. Cause it's true though.
1209
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:17.820
And as a person who, especially in the last year
1210
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:21.480
or so has been really diving into folklore, even if
1211
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:25.400
those stories aren't true, they are out there though. Yeah. I, I,
1212
00:57:25.539 --> 00:57:29.250
I've found so many like, Houses that used to exist
1213
00:57:29.309 --> 00:57:33.110
that don't exist anymore or old foundations out by dams
1214
00:57:33.170 --> 00:57:35.449
and stuff where the stories, even if I can't find
1215
00:57:35.489 --> 00:57:37.639
a shred of evidence to happen, or a family got
1216
00:57:37.659 --> 00:57:42.719
murdered there or a father hung a guy who he
1217
00:57:42.780 --> 00:57:45.760
caught in bed with his daughter. They're all like that.
1218
00:57:46.139 --> 00:57:48.159
And that has to be because those were the kinds
1219
00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:50.630
of tragedies that did happen. Now, I'm not saying right there.
1220
00:57:51.110 --> 00:57:51.289
Yeah.
1221
00:57:51.329 --> 00:57:51.829
But around.
1222
00:57:52.230 --> 00:57:52.449
Yeah.
1223
00:57:52.929 --> 00:57:53.449
In general.
1224
00:57:53.489 --> 00:57:53.670
Yeah.
1225
00:57:53.710 --> 00:57:56.250
They became a part of, to steal your word, the poltergeist.
1226
00:57:58.489 --> 00:58:00.550
But I like how I made it like you said
1227
00:58:00.590 --> 00:58:02.630
poltergeist wrong, but that was actually a joke about me
1228
00:58:02.690 --> 00:58:05.690
hearing wrong. No, but. But yes, that's kind of the
1229
00:58:05.730 --> 00:58:07.969
other thing I think that, yeah, it's like really about
1230
00:58:08.070 --> 00:58:10.730
suburbia not being as safe as you think it is.
1231
00:58:10.969 --> 00:58:11.130
Yeah.
1232
00:58:11.349 --> 00:58:13.889
Which is a great way to rug pull your audience, who,
1233
00:58:13.929 --> 00:58:16.789
by the way. So I, like I said, where, where
1234
00:58:16.809 --> 00:58:18.730
does the audience live? Where the movie takes place? Who
1235
00:58:18.769 --> 00:58:21.489
is the audience? Horny teenagers. Who's everyone in the movie?
1236
00:58:21.630 --> 00:58:22.489
Horny teenagers.
1237
00:58:24.389 --> 00:58:24.610
Yeah.
1238
00:58:24.909 --> 00:58:26.570
And in a lot of ways, that was the first
1239
00:58:26.809 --> 00:58:28.449
of its kind. Cause you, there are a lot of
1240
00:58:28.469 --> 00:58:30.070
debates and I think they're all fair about what was
1241
00:58:30.090 --> 00:58:32.650
the first slasher movie or what yada yada black Christmas,
1242
00:58:32.690 --> 00:58:37.480
Texas chainsaw massacre Halloween. But Halloween was the one that
1243
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:40.260
really put in like the whole, like teenagers are just
1244
00:58:40.300 --> 00:58:43.440
trying to do teenager stuff and they're being murdered. Because, like,
1245
00:58:43.780 --> 00:58:47.280
Texas Chainsaw Massacre, they're not just trying to do teenager stuff.
1246
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:50.969
They're all a bit older anyway, but, like, they're traveling
1247
00:58:51.010 --> 00:58:53.429
somewhere they're not supposed to be, you know, or whatever.
1248
00:58:53.449 --> 00:58:55.650
They are kind of, like, being little shits.
1249
00:58:55.710 --> 00:58:59.530
Black Christmas is about college sorority, so that's, like, a
1250
00:58:59.570 --> 00:59:03.150
bit different, too. It's not quite as hormonally charged. But
1251
00:59:03.190 --> 00:59:05.929
after Halloween, they were all hormonally charged. They were all
1252
00:59:05.969 --> 00:59:08.929
about teenagers being teenagers and then something awful and evil
1253
00:59:08.989 --> 00:59:09.530
happening to them.
1254
00:59:09.769 --> 00:59:14.900
Yeah. No, no, you're absolutely right. It's kind of like
1255
00:59:16.380 --> 00:59:21.510
one of the things that definitely cemented Halloween as an
1256
00:59:21.710 --> 00:59:26.969
archetype of the slasher films is the way that the
1257
00:59:27.010 --> 00:59:30.699
teenagers are portrayed in this. And it's a really... I
1258
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:36.889
personally feel like it's a pretty honest and I guess
1259
00:59:36.969 --> 00:59:42.829
caring look at teenagehood. Because I feel like, you know,
1260
00:59:43.750 --> 00:59:48.159
Lori and, oh God, is it Lori and.
1261
00:59:49.820 --> 00:59:50.519
Ashley?
1262
00:59:51.500 --> 00:59:55.480
What's her friend's name? Annie. Annie and Linda. I feel
1263
00:59:55.500 --> 01:00:01.340
like they all have great chemistry together. And when they
1264
01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:03.559
all kind of like rib each other or, you know,
1265
01:00:03.579 --> 01:00:05.980
try to bust each other's chops, like it really feels
1266
01:00:06.019 --> 01:00:09.320
like that's how high school girls act.
1267
01:00:09.659 --> 01:00:11.780
And John Carpenter said that that was all Debra Hill.
1268
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:14.260
Debra Hill was like, we're going to make these girls
1269
01:00:14.340 --> 01:00:17.969
talk like girls talk, like teenage girls talk to each other. Yeah.
1270
01:00:18.030 --> 01:00:20.710
And I think that's one of the things that endears
1271
01:00:20.829 --> 01:00:23.789
the characters. And I also think it's why you can
1272
01:00:23.829 --> 01:00:25.949
watch it as a teen and dig it and you
1273
01:00:25.969 --> 01:00:27.550
can watch it as an adult and dig it because
1274
01:00:27.590 --> 01:00:29.409
you're just kind of like, yeah, that checks out.
1275
01:00:29.829 --> 01:00:30.010
Yeah.
1276
01:00:30.940 --> 01:00:35.780
So, yeah, it's got that feeling to it from the
1277
01:00:36.059 --> 01:00:42.929
moment the film starts. Like, the atmosphere is perfect. Not
1278
01:00:42.969 --> 01:00:46.710
just for Halloween, but also for, you know, Midwest town.
1279
01:00:47.309 --> 01:00:49.230
Just kind of has that perfect vibe.
1280
01:00:49.250 --> 01:00:54.429
And Carpenter would have been exactly 30 when this was
1281
01:00:54.489 --> 01:00:56.530
being made. I just decided I wanted to check it.
1282
01:00:56.550 --> 01:01:01.239
And Deborah Hill would have been, she was born in 1950. So,
1283
01:01:01.340 --> 01:01:04.280
and he was born in 48. So she would have
1284
01:01:04.300 --> 01:01:08.139
been about 27, 28. So not super far removed from
1285
01:01:08.179 --> 01:01:08.840
being a teen.
1286
01:01:09.130 --> 01:01:09.849
Yeah. Yeah.
1287
01:01:10.829 --> 01:01:14.750
So, yeah. Sorry. I just was curious about that. But yeah,
1288
01:01:14.809 --> 01:01:17.550
that's one of the things the characters are surprisingly believable,
1289
01:01:17.650 --> 01:01:19.070
even in their one-dimensionality.
1290
01:01:19.429 --> 01:01:19.650
Yeah.
1291
01:01:19.670 --> 01:01:23.920
Because, I mean, if you want one-dimensional people, teenagers are
1292
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:26.039
a good spot to look. Because, I mean, because, you know,
1293
01:01:26.139 --> 01:01:29.599
at least in the immediate understanding of They're going to
1294
01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:30.980
be a bit that way.
1295
01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:34.269
Well, you got to cut them some slack. They've only
1296
01:01:34.309 --> 01:01:35.630
been people for like a week.
1297
01:01:36.230 --> 01:01:46.760
Don't worry. They'll get cut. So, Rachel, that's not funny.
1298
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:53.260
I have a list here. Okay. How many films, just ballpark,
1299
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:57.360
do you think ran with the halloween concept like halloween
1300
01:01:57.380 --> 01:01:59.179
did now when i say halloween concept i mean like
1301
01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:02.860
slasher movie where the title is like a date everybody
1302
01:02:02.900 --> 01:02:05.079
knows like what do you think like.
1303
01:02:04.980 --> 01:02:08.780
Ballpark oh at least 50.
1304
01:02:07.780 --> 01:02:09.760
Oh okay that's way more than was yeah that's there's
1305
01:02:09.820 --> 01:02:12.380
nowhere near that oh okay oh okay well you ruined
1306
01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:14.199
my joke because i figured 10 10 would be a
1307
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:16.860
lot 50 is insane the slasher boom didn't even last
1308
01:02:16.860 --> 01:02:20.710
10 years gosh no we have friday the 13th These
1309
01:02:20.730 --> 01:02:22.889
are in the order of years. Friday the 13th, Mother's Day,
1310
01:02:22.969 --> 01:02:25.079
Prom Night, New Year's Evil, Christmas Evil, To All a
1311
01:02:25.099 --> 01:02:27.719
Good Night, My Bloody Valentine, Happy Birthday to Me, Bloody Birthday,
1312
01:02:27.780 --> 01:02:31.480
Graduation Day, Hell Night, Saturday the 14th, the parody, Don't
1313
01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:34.159
Open Till Christmas, Silent Night, Deadly Night, April Fool's Day,
1314
01:02:34.239 --> 01:02:36.929
Bloody New Year, Rush Week, Pledge Night, and Happy Hell Night.
1315
01:02:39.289 --> 01:02:40.429
Okay, that is quite a few, though.
1316
01:02:40.570 --> 01:02:42.170
Yeah, and then if you want to go even deeper,
1317
01:02:42.289 --> 01:02:45.929
Trick or Treats, Sweet 16, Trick or Treat from 1986,
1318
01:02:45.929 --> 01:02:48.920
and Slaughter High, which was originally titled April Fool's Day. Okay.
1319
01:02:48.940 --> 01:02:49.119
Okay.
1320
01:02:49.579 --> 01:02:52.920
So those are all films that are like very obviously
1321
01:02:53.619 --> 01:02:56.920
inspired by Halloween to have like a known date and
1322
01:02:56.940 --> 01:03:00.769
then that be the horror. So there you have it.
1323
01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:02.019
It's quite a few.
1324
01:03:02.659 --> 01:03:05.750
It's not 50. So I guess it's not that many. Geez.
1325
01:03:05.769 --> 01:03:06.530
I don't know.
1326
01:03:06.650 --> 01:03:11.909
You're extreme like that. So there you go. I just
1327
01:03:11.929 --> 01:03:14.050
thought that was an interesting way to show the effect
1328
01:03:14.090 --> 01:03:15.250
it had on the marketplace.
1329
01:03:15.550 --> 01:03:22.420
Oh, absolutely. But you were telling me. That when Carpenter
1330
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:27.420
was originally kind of conceptualizing the idea, he didn't title
1331
01:03:27.460 --> 01:03:28.280
it Halloween.
1332
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:31.650
The initial title, I believe, was The Babysitter Murders. And
1333
01:03:31.690 --> 01:03:34.329
it got changed, I think because they honestly I think
1334
01:03:34.349 --> 01:03:36.929
they wanted it to not come off as like one
1335
01:03:36.949 --> 01:03:41.190
of those exploitation movies. Okay. But I don't know. I
1336
01:03:41.210 --> 01:03:44.099
don't know exactly why the title changed. But yeah, Babysitter
1337
01:03:44.119 --> 01:03:45.699
Murders was one of the original, which makes sense because
1338
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:46.780
it's about a bunch of babysitters.
1339
01:03:46.980 --> 01:03:47.139
Yeah.
1340
01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:49.000
And they do, in fact, get murdered.
1341
01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:50.380
Well, some of them do.
1342
01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:55.860
Well, a percentage, which is more than in most movies,
1343
01:03:56.219 --> 01:03:56.500
I feel.
1344
01:03:56.960 --> 01:03:58.579
Maybe. Depends. Yeah.
1345
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:05.610
But you were also telling me about Erwin Yablonz. And
1346
01:04:06.250 --> 01:04:10.949
you mentioned that he had kind of helped. form what
1347
01:04:11.030 --> 01:04:12.369
Halloween would become.
1348
01:04:12.530 --> 01:04:14.869
Well, I mean, he, he, no, he, he was the producer.
1349
01:04:14.889 --> 01:04:17.329
I mean, he developed the concept. He's the one who
1350
01:04:17.690 --> 01:04:21.320
hired John Carpenter. Okay. Um, so, but there was a
1351
01:04:21.340 --> 01:04:25.619
big to do because Mustafa Akkad, who was a, uh,
1352
01:04:26.179 --> 01:04:27.300
a wealthy businessman.
1353
01:04:27.699 --> 01:04:27.880
Yeah.
1354
01:04:28.059 --> 01:04:30.500
He came in and supplied the around about $ 300, 000 budget
1355
01:04:30.519 --> 01:04:35.639
for the film. And he, There were a lot of
1356
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:40.000
sour grapes because Erwin Yablans really did come up with
1357
01:04:40.019 --> 01:04:42.340
the whole thing. He just went to Mustafa Akkad with
1358
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:47.489
the money. And legendarily, the way that Yablans got Mustafa
1359
01:04:47.510 --> 01:04:50.969
Akkad to do it was he actually said to him, like, ah,
1360
01:04:51.030 --> 01:04:52.949
you probably wouldn't want it this way. 300 grand's a
1361
01:04:52.989 --> 01:04:55.150
lot for you to risk. You'd probably be afraid. You know, like,
1362
01:04:55.170 --> 01:04:57.440
I don't think you could handle it anyway. And supposedly
1363
01:04:57.480 --> 01:04:59.079
that's how he went. He was like, I could do it.
1364
01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:02.639
Oh no. He was known, unfortunately he passed away, but
1365
01:05:02.659 --> 01:05:05.489
he was known for having like, I wouldn't say a temper,
1366
01:05:05.530 --> 01:05:07.210
but you know, for being a bit emotional, like a
1367
01:05:07.230 --> 01:05:11.389
bit easy to rile up. But where it really started
1368
01:05:11.489 --> 01:05:16.250
to kind of sour was that Mustafa Akkad was not
1369
01:05:16.309 --> 01:05:18.789
really interested at all. I mean, he handed the money
1370
01:05:18.849 --> 01:05:20.309
over and he just kind of nothing else happened for
1371
01:05:20.349 --> 01:05:24.590
a while. But then he showed up demanding that it
1372
01:05:24.610 --> 01:05:27.800
say Mustafa Akkad presents at the beginning of the film,
1373
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:32.010
which it does. Yeah. And Yablon says he regrets giving
1374
01:05:32.110 --> 01:05:35.869
in to that demand. Well, then there were massive disagreements
1375
01:05:35.909 --> 01:05:40.199
about like Yablon's salary and, uh, his business partner, uh,
1376
01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:44.860
eventually contributed, uh, uh, like to the collapse of, of
1377
01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:48.519
their little company, which I believe was called Compass International. Um,
1378
01:05:49.099 --> 01:05:53.460
so in 1986, Akkad then sued Yablon's over, um, allegedly
1379
01:05:53.500 --> 01:05:57.849
withholding Halloween royalties, totaling in the millions of dollars. Because
1380
01:05:57.869 --> 01:06:01.630
Halloween was a runaway hit. Okay, yeah. When it came out,
1381
01:06:01.869 --> 01:06:09.230
its box office total was $ 70 million. That sounds like
1382
01:06:09.250 --> 01:06:11.469
a lot. I don't know if that's just from the
1383
01:06:11.510 --> 01:06:13.829
first run, because it's always hard to know. But that's
1384
01:06:13.869 --> 01:06:15.360
still an incredible amount. Even if it had done $ 13
1385
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:17.860
or $ 14 million, it would have been amazing.
1386
01:06:18.019 --> 01:06:18.500
Yeah.
1387
01:06:18.659 --> 01:06:23.559
On that invested budget. So Akkad sued Yablans over it.
1388
01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:28.650
Yablans blamed his former business partner and... on like any
1389
01:06:28.750 --> 01:06:31.489
accounting issues. And then this, the dispute was settled out
1390
01:06:31.530 --> 01:06:34.329
of court. So then at this point we have Halloween
1391
01:06:34.389 --> 01:06:39.070
two happens. Halloween three happens. Halloween three was a big bomb. Yeah.
1392
01:06:39.090 --> 01:06:44.480
We're very unhappy. So Mustafa Akkad managed to consolidate control
1393
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:49.369
of the Halloween concept. At that point, uh, he bought out, uh,
1394
01:06:49.460 --> 01:06:51.739
John Carpenter and Deborah Hill. He bought out your blondes.
1395
01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:55.820
And that's why Halloween four even happened was Mustafa Akkad.
1396
01:06:56.190 --> 01:06:58.090
It was like, we're bringing Michael Myers back. It's what
1397
01:06:58.110 --> 01:07:02.030
the people want. And supposedly from that point on, Mustafa
1398
01:07:02.050 --> 01:07:05.440
Akkad was like, loved being Mr. Halloween. Okay. He was Mr.
1399
01:07:05.510 --> 01:07:07.449
I made Halloween. I did this and I did that.
1400
01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:10.760
But Erwin Yablons kind of got shafted, even though it
1401
01:07:10.820 --> 01:07:13.199
was literally him that was like, I want to make
1402
01:07:13.219 --> 01:07:15.559
this horror movie. I want it to be about babysitters
1403
01:07:15.619 --> 01:07:17.119
and a scary guy. I'm going to get this guy
1404
01:07:17.139 --> 01:07:19.719
who did Assault on Precinct 13. You know, we're going
1405
01:07:19.739 --> 01:07:20.780
to do this whole thing. We're going to put this
1406
01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:23.980
team together. We're going to do it really, real cheap. And,
1407
01:07:24.300 --> 01:07:27.739
but Akkad got a lot of the, um, a lot
1408
01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:28.599
of the praise.
1409
01:07:28.980 --> 01:07:29.139
Yeah.
1410
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:32.840
They did later reconcile publicly and, and kind of like
1411
01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:36.139
acknowledged that they other did a lot. But, um, in,
1412
01:07:36.409 --> 01:07:38.110
I think it's the TV series, the movies that made
1413
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:41.070
us on Netflix. It's one of my favorite documentaries about
1414
01:07:41.090 --> 01:07:43.869
the making of Halloween because they interview Irwin LeBlanc as
1415
01:07:43.909 --> 01:07:45.269
one of the main interviews.
1416
01:07:45.610 --> 01:07:46.050
Oh, cool.
1417
01:07:46.070 --> 01:07:47.769
So we get to hear his side. Cause you hear you,
1418
01:07:47.869 --> 01:07:50.329
or you hear Mustafa Akkad and more so his son
1419
01:07:50.630 --> 01:07:52.449
who took over the company after Mustafa had passed away.
1420
01:07:53.030 --> 01:07:56.639
you hear their side a ton because they're still behind
1421
01:07:56.659 --> 01:07:58.900
the Halloween movies. I mean, to this day, the Akkad
1422
01:07:58.940 --> 01:08:02.460
family is who works with, you know, that worked with
1423
01:08:02.500 --> 01:08:04.960
David Gordon Green and then to make it happen. So,
1424
01:08:05.739 --> 01:08:08.500
but it's always been a very interesting element of Halloween,
1425
01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:11.260
how Mustafa Akkad kind of retroactively was like, actually, I
1426
01:08:11.840 --> 01:08:14.079
love this and want every, want every part of it.
1427
01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:19.380
It's like, okay, fair enough. Hmm.
1428
01:08:19.859 --> 01:08:21.350
Kind of, kind of funny how that can go.
1429
01:08:21.729 --> 01:08:24.310
Yeah. Well, and, and, but a cod came in at
1430
01:08:24.489 --> 01:08:27.529
the right moment. I mean, John Carpenter didn't really want
1431
01:08:27.550 --> 01:08:29.210
to do a Halloween too. I mean, he wrote it,
1432
01:08:29.229 --> 01:08:32.340
he didn't direct it and he wanted to do Halloween three.
1433
01:08:32.409 --> 01:08:36.619
He was all about Halloween being, uh, an anthology where
1434
01:08:36.659 --> 01:08:38.520
just every year there was a new Halloween movie about
1435
01:08:38.579 --> 01:08:41.619
something spooky. Uh, you know, they want to do a
1436
01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:43.460
witch one and a werewolf one and a vampire one
1437
01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:45.270
and all this stuff. Yeah. And it just, people wanted
1438
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:47.770
more Michael Myers, especially since they did two, which had
1439
01:08:47.810 --> 01:08:48.609
Michael Myers in it.
1440
01:08:48.729 --> 01:08:49.029
Yeah.
1441
01:08:49.670 --> 01:08:52.260
So season of the witch doesn't do what people want.
1442
01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:55.430
So now Carpenter's really burnout. He really doesn't want anything
1443
01:08:55.449 --> 01:08:57.210
to do with the movie and he doesn't really doesn't
1444
01:08:57.250 --> 01:08:59.050
want to bring Michael Myers back at all.
1445
01:08:59.520 --> 01:08:59.649
Yeah.
1446
01:09:00.029 --> 01:09:02.960
So that's the perfect time to buy everybody out and
1447
01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:05.880
take the, take, take the show to Utah and film
1448
01:09:06.340 --> 01:09:07.739
three of the sequels in Utah.
1449
01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:09.399
Why not?
1450
01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:14.659
So, and I mean, and they're all legendary. So there's, yeah,
1451
01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:16.819
there's always a lot of lore, especially when a series
1452
01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:17.800
started so long ago.
1453
01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:18.560
Yeah.
1454
01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:21.819
Well, it, you know, the further back it happened, the
1455
01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:24.979
more chance it has to, uh, develop some history, I guess.
1456
01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:28.319
That doesn't sound right, but I guess.
1457
01:09:28.340 --> 01:09:30.659
I don't know. I don't know about all that.
1458
01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:36.659
But, no, but, uh, thank you to Mustafa Akkad and
1459
01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:40.399
Erwin Yablans for working so hard to get this out there,
1460
01:09:40.420 --> 01:09:44.859
because it is, yeah, just having watched it again with you, like,
1461
01:09:44.899 --> 01:09:47.960
it really, it, it withstands the test of time, um,
1462
01:09:49.859 --> 01:09:53.430
Every moment, just, you know, like I said, every time
1463
01:09:53.470 --> 01:09:56.770
I see it, I see something different or I absorb
1464
01:09:56.829 --> 01:09:59.590
something different. I feel like there's something new to kind
1465
01:09:59.609 --> 01:10:00.789
of like glean from it.
1466
01:10:00.890 --> 01:10:03.409
Yeah, there's a lot going on, a lot of interest
1467
01:10:03.489 --> 01:10:06.979
and a lot of room for interpretation.
1468
01:10:07.319 --> 01:10:07.779
Yeah.
1469
01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:10.199
Which, you know, is a part of making kind of
1470
01:10:10.239 --> 01:10:14.079
the shadows and the dead space a character almost in
1471
01:10:14.119 --> 01:10:14.479
the film.
1472
01:10:14.779 --> 01:10:14.979
Yeah.
1473
01:10:15.739 --> 01:10:20.340
So what... Hmm. So, okay. So we, I mean, we, we've,
1474
01:10:20.460 --> 01:10:23.039
we've talked about a lot of this stuff. I will.
1475
01:10:23.180 --> 01:10:25.619
Another thing that I think doesn't get enough love in
1476
01:10:25.640 --> 01:10:28.970
this film is the immediate scene after the big opening,
1477
01:10:29.010 --> 01:10:30.869
where we see that Michael's a little kid, which is the,
1478
01:10:31.189 --> 01:10:33.909
you know, the 15 years later and Loomis is in
1479
01:10:34.090 --> 01:10:36.649
a car with that nurse and they're driving out to
1480
01:10:36.729 --> 01:10:39.510
the insane asylum to transport Michael Myers.
1481
01:10:39.729 --> 01:10:40.010
Yeah.
1482
01:10:40.170 --> 01:10:42.579
And we get a lot of really great Donald Pleasance
1483
01:10:43.500 --> 01:10:47.699
being Donald Pleasance and chewing the scenery. And, He's starting
1484
01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:49.439
with the whole thing about like, this guy should never
1485
01:10:49.479 --> 01:10:51.720
be released ever. I told them we should keep him
1486
01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:54.180
locked up forever, but it is the law that he
1487
01:10:54.220 --> 01:10:56.979
needs to have his whatever. But he also says like,
1488
01:10:57.000 --> 01:10:59.159
we're going to inject him with Thorazine. She's like, he'll
1489
01:10:59.189 --> 01:11:00.930
barely be able to sit up. And he's like, that's
1490
01:11:01.069 --> 01:11:05.069
the point. Yeah. So they show up at Smith's Grove
1491
01:11:05.529 --> 01:11:07.710
and it's in the middle of a thunderstorm, a big
1492
01:11:07.789 --> 01:11:12.229
old nasty thunderstorm. Very, very spooky. And we have, you know,
1493
01:11:12.289 --> 01:11:15.710
Myers popping up out of nowhere after they noticed that
1494
01:11:16.189 --> 01:11:19.159
all of the Insane asylum residents seem to be like
1495
01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:20.779
out and loose in the rain.
1496
01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:21.779
Just kind of mulling about.
1497
01:11:21.979 --> 01:11:24.500
Yeah. He breaks the window, steals the car, drives off
1498
01:11:24.579 --> 01:11:28.800
leaving the nurse and Dr. Loomis standing in the rain
1499
01:11:28.819 --> 01:11:30.100
trying to figure out what to do. And Loomis is
1500
01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:33.359
terrified because the evil has escaped. Yeah. And Loomis seems
1501
01:11:33.399 --> 01:11:35.750
to be the only one who understands that Myers is
1502
01:11:35.789 --> 01:11:38.029
going to go home to Haddonfield.
1503
01:11:38.689 --> 01:11:39.560
He is certain of it.
1504
01:11:39.689 --> 01:11:39.930
Yeah.
1505
01:11:40.050 --> 01:11:40.289
Yeah.
1506
01:11:40.310 --> 01:11:40.970
Like without a doubt.
1507
01:11:41.409 --> 01:11:44.310
And I'm glad you brought this scene up because something
1508
01:11:44.350 --> 01:11:49.319
I hadn't I hadn't really honed in on until this
1509
01:11:49.460 --> 01:11:58.170
viewing is how often Loomis uses like dehumanizing language about Michael.
1510
01:11:58.430 --> 01:12:00.909
Like he doesn't refer to him as him. He refers
1511
01:12:00.949 --> 01:12:05.670
to it as it. You know, and, and Marion, the nurse,
1512
01:12:05.810 --> 01:12:10.029
she even like challenges him. She even says like, don't
1513
01:12:10.069 --> 01:12:12.180
you mean him? And he's like, if you say so,
1514
01:12:12.199 --> 01:12:17.989
which is great. Because if it is your first time
1515
01:12:18.369 --> 01:12:22.229
viewing this, Loomis is kind of like your Sherpa, your
1516
01:12:22.289 --> 01:12:28.239
guide into who Michael Myers really is. Because the contrast
1517
01:12:28.340 --> 01:12:33.899
to Loomis's certainty is Tommy Doyle talking about the boogeyman.
1518
01:12:34.659 --> 01:12:38.000
And he's super certain, but he has absolutely no details
1519
01:12:38.060 --> 01:12:40.920
about the boogeyman other than he does certainly exist.
1520
01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:45.770
Well, but here's the interesting side of Loomis. What if
1521
01:12:45.810 --> 01:12:50.189
you're wrong? Like, what if we're all wrong? Like is
1522
01:12:50.550 --> 01:12:53.670
in general in life, it would not be reassuring for
1523
01:12:53.729 --> 01:12:59.600
the ultimate expert in a circumstance to abandon any human
1524
01:12:59.689 --> 01:13:04.520
explanation and go this way. And they do tease it
1525
01:13:04.539 --> 01:13:07.039
a little bit that he seems obsessed and they go
1526
01:13:07.079 --> 01:13:09.020
further into it in the sequels, but he does come
1527
01:13:09.060 --> 01:13:11.159
off a little bit obsessed, a little bit cracked.
1528
01:13:11.779 --> 01:13:12.600
Oh, absolutely. Yeah.
1529
01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:16.079
So that's the other kind of interesting element as well
1530
01:13:16.180 --> 01:13:18.699
is just, you know, is Loomis, does Loomis have all
1531
01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:21.640
of his dogs barking? Cause he is very obsessed. He's
1532
01:13:21.699 --> 01:13:24.970
very angry. He's certain that this is not a man.
1533
01:13:25.090 --> 01:13:28.270
He literally says that this isn't a man. It's purely
1534
01:13:28.369 --> 01:13:30.250
simply evil. I spent five years trying to reach him
1535
01:13:30.270 --> 01:13:31.670
in the next 10 years, trying to make sure he
1536
01:13:31.750 --> 01:13:34.470
never got let out ever again, because what I saw
1537
01:13:34.529 --> 01:13:37.930
behind that boy's eyes were purely and simply evil. That
1538
01:13:38.090 --> 01:13:39.069
is kind of nuts.
1539
01:13:39.770 --> 01:13:40.029
Yeah.
1540
01:13:40.380 --> 01:13:44.890
Now, it's a horror film. So if we take what
1541
01:13:44.930 --> 01:13:48.079
Loomis says at face value, I believe it is believable
1542
01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:50.159
and terrifying. The idea that like, it's like, no, he's
1543
01:13:50.199 --> 01:13:52.680
been looking at psychotics his entire life. And when he
1544
01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:55.159
saw this boy, he was like, this is not anything
1545
01:13:55.220 --> 01:13:57.039
like that. Yeah.
1546
01:13:57.180 --> 01:13:58.159
That is terrifying.
1547
01:13:58.199 --> 01:13:58.359
Yeah.
1548
01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:01.979
This is evil. This isn't insanity. And that is really,
1549
01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:04.039
really scary. So I'm just, that's more of a devil's
1550
01:14:04.119 --> 01:14:06.470
advocate point though, is like, what if Loomis is just
1551
01:14:07.149 --> 01:14:10.090
projecting a lot of insanity on Michael? But granted, Michael
1552
01:14:10.149 --> 01:14:14.729
is crazy and. Oh yeah. And another interesting element when
1553
01:14:14.770 --> 01:14:16.970
you watch the first film without any thought of the
1554
01:14:17.010 --> 01:14:20.210
sequels is if you watch the first film and try
1555
01:14:20.250 --> 01:14:23.569
to forget about all the sequel stuff, Michael has the
1556
01:14:23.689 --> 01:14:26.819
only reason he's interested in Laurie is that he happened
1557
01:14:26.899 --> 01:14:27.479
upon her.
1558
01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:28.319
Yeah.
1559
01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:30.760
And was following her after that.
1560
01:14:31.460 --> 01:14:35.079
Yeah, that's really the only connection because the first time
1561
01:14:35.159 --> 01:14:37.970
he sees her and the only, again, if we ignore
1562
01:14:38.050 --> 01:14:42.579
all the other sequels, the... The only reason we can
1563
01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:45.260
see that he fixates on her is because the first
1564
01:14:45.300 --> 01:14:47.819
time he saw her is when she was dropping off
1565
01:14:47.859 --> 01:14:49.300
the key at his old house.
1566
01:14:49.619 --> 01:14:51.119
Right. Right. Exactly.
1567
01:14:51.460 --> 01:14:53.439
That's the only connection they have.
1568
01:14:53.699 --> 01:14:53.899
Yes.
1569
01:14:54.310 --> 01:14:59.670
And so on the one hand, that does make his
1570
01:15:00.069 --> 01:15:05.550
singular obsession with her that much more terrifying because it's like, wow,
1571
01:15:05.590 --> 01:15:09.010
look at this person is so far gone that such
1572
01:15:09.090 --> 01:15:13.149
a small, minuscule. connection is still enough to make him
1573
01:15:13.250 --> 01:15:14.229
hunt her down.
1574
01:15:14.609 --> 01:15:16.590
Yeah well and she led him to a ton of
1575
01:15:16.710 --> 01:15:18.409
victims i mean he just kept he was just like
1576
01:15:18.449 --> 01:15:20.829
a shark he would just yeah follow and then stop
1577
01:15:20.869 --> 01:15:23.369
along the way to do whatever else he's gonna do
1578
01:15:23.710 --> 01:15:25.909
exactly and in a way it's kind of a fate
1579
01:15:26.130 --> 01:15:29.949
thing you know but it's funny because in part two
1580
01:15:29.970 --> 01:15:32.949
they established this idea that she's his sister and that
1581
01:15:32.970 --> 01:15:34.829
he's there for the other sister and then i remember
1582
01:15:34.850 --> 01:15:39.390
when they in david gordon green's halloween from 2018 they Um, they,
1583
01:15:39.569 --> 01:15:40.930
so I said, I heard he was there. She was
1584
01:15:40.970 --> 01:15:43.409
his sister. He's like, that's a, that's a like urban legend.
1585
01:15:43.430 --> 01:15:47.270
People started saying around town. It's not true. And it's,
1586
01:15:47.369 --> 01:15:49.270
it's kind of funny. Cause then in Gordon greens, which
1587
01:15:49.289 --> 01:15:50.949
is supposed to be a direct sequel to the first one,
1588
01:15:51.810 --> 01:15:54.600
they literally mentioned that like, he is not back to
1589
01:15:54.619 --> 01:15:56.359
get Lori. He's just back for the town.
1590
01:15:56.640 --> 01:15:56.800
Yeah.
1591
01:15:57.100 --> 01:16:00.359
He's just back to be the boogeyman of Haddonfield. And
1592
01:16:00.460 --> 01:16:02.539
I always loved that though, that she realizes like, he's
1593
01:16:02.579 --> 01:16:05.060
not after me, but I'm making him intersect with me
1594
01:16:05.100 --> 01:16:07.050
because I'm after him because I won't let go. And,
1595
01:16:07.430 --> 01:16:09.300
But we're not here to talk about David Gore Green's Halloween,
1596
01:16:09.319 --> 01:16:12.000
but I really like those movies. But so I just
1597
01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:16.479
love the idea that like Laurie did nothing other than exist.
1598
01:16:16.939 --> 01:16:17.119
Yeah.
1599
01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:20.649
And he's out there, you know, and I mean, and
1600
01:16:20.670 --> 01:16:23.869
there are probably a lot more interpretations you can run with.
1601
01:16:23.949 --> 01:16:27.189
But overall, I mean, you know, bad luck, bad things
1602
01:16:27.229 --> 01:16:30.529
happen to people. Good people is kind of running through
1603
01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:32.119
the whole film. Yeah.
1604
01:16:32.819 --> 01:16:35.500
And I think it's interesting, too, because there's that scene
1605
01:16:35.560 --> 01:16:38.859
where Laurie is in the classroom. And it's a really
1606
01:16:38.899 --> 01:16:43.020
creepy scene because we notice that Michael is in the car, like,
1607
01:16:43.100 --> 01:16:46.649
outside the classroom watching her. But what makes it even
1608
01:16:46.729 --> 01:16:51.489
more potent is they're in, like, their philosophy class or whatever,
1609
01:16:51.529 --> 01:16:55.869
and she starts talking about Milton's concept of fate and how, like,
1610
01:16:56.229 --> 01:16:59.810
it's pretty much like your fate is predetermined from the
1611
01:16:59.850 --> 01:17:02.470
moment that you're born. Like, there's no getting out of it.
1612
01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:07.600
And then you have this teenage kid who cannot escape
1613
01:17:07.640 --> 01:17:12.020
her fate. It has already been sealed because she accidentally
1614
01:17:12.260 --> 01:17:14.060
caught Michael Myers' attention.
1615
01:17:14.279 --> 01:17:16.569
Yeah, or Michael was going to go to the school
1616
01:17:16.609 --> 01:17:20.250
next because he remembered the school and she's just there too. Yeah,
1617
01:17:20.270 --> 01:17:22.170
it just happens to be there. It's just as coincidental
1618
01:17:22.210 --> 01:17:25.369
and just as fady. I've always found that one of
1619
01:17:25.409 --> 01:17:29.890
my favorite things about the original film is something the
1620
01:17:29.930 --> 01:17:33.600
movie fails to do, not something it does. It fails
1621
01:17:33.659 --> 01:17:37.560
to ever give us a reason why he's doing this.
1622
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:41.930
And I've always found that to be the most scary.
1623
01:17:42.409 --> 01:17:43.369
Yeah. Yeah.
1624
01:17:48.069 --> 01:17:50.680
So we've got this little kid, Tommy.
1625
01:17:51.699 --> 01:17:52.380
Tommy Doyle.
1626
01:17:52.479 --> 01:17:57.260
Tommy Doyle. He gets bullied by the other kids telling
1627
01:17:57.319 --> 01:18:00.739
him that the boogeyman's going to come get him. And
1628
01:18:01.390 --> 01:18:05.789
what's great about that scene is Michael Myers is right there.
1629
01:18:05.810 --> 01:18:08.630
Yeah, watching. Watching.
1630
01:18:08.770 --> 01:18:11.710
And Tommy, like, bumps into him while he's, like, trying
1631
01:18:11.750 --> 01:18:16.039
to run away. And then we go back to Sam
1632
01:18:16.079 --> 01:18:20.720
Loomis on the hunt for Michael Myers. He's found a
1633
01:18:20.859 --> 01:18:24.640
crashed car, which I love. I love the scene where
1634
01:18:24.939 --> 01:18:30.270
Loomis is, like, arguing with somebody at the... asylum about
1635
01:18:30.550 --> 01:18:34.130
um about Myers escape yeah yeah and says like he
1636
01:18:34.170 --> 01:18:37.270
drove away in the car and they're like how would
1637
01:18:37.289 --> 01:18:39.810
he drive away he's like well he was doing just fine.
1638
01:18:39.409 --> 01:18:41.729
Last night perhaps someone gave him lessons.
1639
01:18:41.869 --> 01:18:45.729
And that's been one of the things fans always point out.
1640
01:18:46.489 --> 01:18:49.569
When did Michael Myers learn to drive a car? But
1641
01:18:50.409 --> 01:18:54.029
it works well for this movie. It really does. So
1642
01:18:54.680 --> 01:18:59.600
Loomis is there investigating a getaway vehicle. And we, as
1643
01:18:59.640 --> 01:19:03.859
the audience, we see one of Michael Myers' victims that
1644
01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:09.260
even Loomis doesn't see. But we get the sense that...
1645
01:19:09.850 --> 01:19:14.489
he really does understand how dangerous this person is and
1646
01:19:14.890 --> 01:19:16.409
no one else is willing to believe.
1647
01:19:16.449 --> 01:19:19.789
Well, I hate to correct you. I don't think it's
1648
01:19:19.810 --> 01:19:22.909
that Loomis didn't see the victim. Loomis doesn't care. There
1649
01:19:22.949 --> 01:19:26.489
you go. I mean, once they're gone, like Loomis did want,
1650
01:19:26.649 --> 01:19:29.449
like later on, I don't think Loomis was, uh, like
1651
01:19:29.630 --> 01:19:33.979
against saving Laurie Strode and those kids from Michael. But
1652
01:19:34.020 --> 01:19:35.800
I think that once Loomis is like, Michael's not here,
1653
01:19:35.819 --> 01:19:38.159
I have to keep finding Michael. There's not, it's not like,
1654
01:19:38.180 --> 01:19:40.289
I'm going to go check on, What's going on over here?
1655
01:19:40.310 --> 01:19:40.750
Yeah, yeah.
1656
01:19:40.770 --> 01:19:44.109
He just doesn't care. He's singular focus. The police and
1657
01:19:44.130 --> 01:19:45.770
the paramedics and stuff, that's their job.
1658
01:19:46.050 --> 01:19:46.149
Yeah.
1659
01:19:46.170 --> 01:19:46.909
My job is Michael.
1660
01:19:47.229 --> 01:19:48.130
Exactly.
1661
01:19:48.189 --> 01:19:48.569
Yeah.
1662
01:19:48.750 --> 01:19:53.409
And Pleasance does just such a great job getting that through.
1663
01:19:53.430 --> 01:19:56.890
He makes the film in a lot of ways, which
1664
01:19:56.949 --> 01:19:59.649
is extra funny because he was not the first choice
1665
01:19:59.760 --> 01:20:03.579
that John Carpenter wanted at all. Carpenter wanted Peter Cushing.
1666
01:20:06.920 --> 01:20:07.550
Oh, man.
1667
01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:10.789
And Peter Cushing was approached and he turned it down
1668
01:20:11.850 --> 01:20:16.210
because his agent considered the salary too low. Oh, they
1669
01:20:16.250 --> 01:20:19.960
were they were offering twenty thousand dollars, which was four
1670
01:20:20.060 --> 01:20:25.319
thousand dollars per shooting day. But I should pull up
1671
01:20:25.359 --> 01:20:27.600
the inflation on that because but that's still a good
1672
01:20:27.640 --> 01:20:29.739
amount of money. I mean, 20 grand on a movie
1673
01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:32.659
that cost thirty thousand or three hundred thousand dollars. Still
1674
01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:34.220
a lot of money. I'm sure they had to fly
1675
01:20:34.260 --> 01:20:36.600
him in and put him up, too. Yeah. But then
1676
01:20:37.460 --> 01:20:41.350
Carpenter wanted Christopher Lee, again, another famous British hammer horror
1677
01:20:41.390 --> 01:20:46.810
guy who also declined, although Lee later said that passing
1678
01:20:46.869 --> 01:20:49.510
on Halloween was probably his biggest career mistake.
1679
01:20:51.369 --> 01:20:55.520
I am now just sitting there thinking about Christopher Lee
1680
01:20:55.680 --> 01:20:59.500
as Loomis. You know, he recorded a metal album.
1681
01:21:00.060 --> 01:21:02.779
I think I remember hearing about that. Well, and then,
1682
01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:08.329
you know, guess who? So, um, oh, wow. Inflation. So, uh,
1683
01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:12.279
his pay would have been the equivalent to $ 103, 000 today. Wow.
1684
01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:16.949
For the whole shoot. Wow. A lot of money. So Erwin,
1685
01:21:16.970 --> 01:21:21.869
your blondes said, why not Donald Pleasance? Although initially Erwin
1686
01:21:21.970 --> 01:21:24.770
wasn't that, uh, had a lot of reservations about using
1687
01:21:24.930 --> 01:21:27.840
any British horror film veteran, but I guess he was
1688
01:21:27.899 --> 01:21:29.800
a fan of Donald Pleasance and had heard that he
1689
01:21:29.840 --> 01:21:34.750
was relatively easy to get. Okay. So Pleasance accepted partly
1690
01:21:34.810 --> 01:21:39.109
because his daughter Lucy liked Carpenter's music from Assault on
1691
01:21:39.170 --> 01:21:45.840
Precinct 13. Which is pretty funny. But another great bit
1692
01:21:45.850 --> 01:21:49.579
of Pleasanceness is the first meeting that John Carpenter had
1693
01:21:49.619 --> 01:21:55.460
with Donald Pleasance was apparently very uncomfortable. Pleasance was known
1694
01:21:55.520 --> 01:22:00.039
for being a little unpredictable. Okay. He liked to drink.
1695
01:22:02.220 --> 01:22:05.939
Apparently Carpenter had said at a convention in Chicago about 10,
1696
01:22:05.939 --> 01:22:09.119
15 years ago that they met at a restaurant at
1697
01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:11.720
the Hamburger Hamlet in Los Angeles, which is kind of
1698
01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:16.600
a famous spot. And Carpenter was already like a big
1699
01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:20.520
fan of Pleasance and he was very nervous. Because Pleasance
1700
01:22:20.539 --> 01:22:23.359
was honestly more of like the film nerd choice of
1701
01:22:23.479 --> 01:22:26.510
the British horror veterans. Because Cushing and Lee were the
1702
01:22:26.609 --> 01:22:30.409
biggest guys. And Pleasance was a little bit lesser, like
1703
01:22:30.510 --> 01:22:34.180
less up in your face. known which is funny because
1704
01:22:34.199 --> 01:22:36.000
then he gets this gig and it makes a total
1705
01:22:36.039 --> 01:22:38.239
resurgence in his career and he worked right up until
1706
01:22:38.279 --> 01:22:41.689
his death mostly being known as dr loomis so they
1707
01:22:41.729 --> 01:22:45.050
meet and apparently they sat down and and carpenter was
1708
01:22:45.069 --> 01:22:48.390
already super super nervous he'd never sat down with somebody
1709
01:22:48.430 --> 01:22:51.229
like this to work with them and pleasance looked right
1710
01:22:51.369 --> 01:22:53.800
at him and said quote i don't know why i'm
1711
01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:56.340
doing this movie i don't understand this movie.
1712
01:22:58.479 --> 01:23:00.159
That is not what you want to hear her.
1713
01:23:01.109 --> 01:23:04.590
Then he explained that his daughter was a musician in
1714
01:23:04.729 --> 01:23:07.529
England and had praised the music on one of Carpenter's
1715
01:23:07.590 --> 01:23:11.279
movies and that that was why he wanted to do it.
1716
01:23:12.109 --> 01:23:15.270
There have been supposed retellings that he said he needed
1717
01:23:15.310 --> 01:23:20.060
the money for alimony. That could very well be. But
1718
01:23:20.220 --> 01:23:24.529
Carpenter said that upon reflecting decades later, Um, that he
1719
01:23:24.729 --> 01:23:28.010
realized that what he had seen Pleasance really wanted was
1720
01:23:28.090 --> 01:23:31.779
reassurance that the director genuinely valued him and wanted him
1721
01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:33.659
to be in the film. Cause he was like, if
1722
01:23:33.699 --> 01:23:36.140
I walk in and just like throw at him, like,
1723
01:23:36.180 --> 01:23:37.859
I don't get this. I'm not sure why I'm even here.
1724
01:23:37.880 --> 01:23:41.149
If the guy went, then, then go home. Then it
1725
01:23:41.170 --> 01:23:43.510
could be like, good. I'm not wasting my time. Okay.
1726
01:23:43.569 --> 01:23:44.069
I get that.
1727
01:23:44.550 --> 01:23:45.670
So, because he did say, like, I don't know why
1728
01:23:45.689 --> 01:23:46.979
I'm doing this movie. I don't understand this movie. And
1729
01:23:47.020 --> 01:23:48.939
he was like, but my daughter thinks you're really talented.
1730
01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:51.460
You know, so there is a compliment in there. There
1731
01:23:51.520 --> 01:23:53.520
is something in there saying, like, something good.
1732
01:23:53.539 --> 01:23:56.119
He's not being a total, like, shithead.
1733
01:23:56.920 --> 01:23:57.159
No.
1734
01:23:57.340 --> 01:24:00.850
And Carpenter said that as far as his work on
1735
01:24:00.890 --> 01:24:04.529
the set, they became close friends very, very quickly. And
1736
01:24:04.609 --> 01:24:09.550
that he was always funny and very self-deprecating. And truly
1737
01:24:09.590 --> 01:24:12.069
a wonderful actor, like that he would just throw himself
1738
01:24:12.109 --> 01:24:13.949
into every take, which I've always heard is a very
1739
01:24:14.010 --> 01:24:17.029
British style is you just, it's like action. You just
1740
01:24:17.069 --> 01:24:19.399
immediately stop joking and you're crying, you know, just do
1741
01:24:19.420 --> 01:24:25.220
it that way. But apparently also he changed Loomis's character
1742
01:24:25.340 --> 01:24:25.760
a bunch.
1743
01:24:26.720 --> 01:24:27.119
Really?
1744
01:24:27.300 --> 01:24:29.020
Which is hilarious because he started saying, I don't know
1745
01:24:29.039 --> 01:24:30.420
why I'm doing this. I don't know what it's about.
1746
01:24:30.579 --> 01:24:32.399
And then he's like, I'm going to rewrite the character.
1747
01:24:32.970 --> 01:24:36.590
But Loomis was originally supposed to have a wife. That
1748
01:24:36.619 --> 01:24:38.750
was like, like not on camera, I don't think.
1749
01:24:39.010 --> 01:24:39.250
Yeah.
1750
01:24:39.310 --> 01:24:42.890
But during his trip to Haddonfield, Loomis was stopped when
1751
01:24:42.909 --> 01:24:44.529
he stopped at the payphone, which you were just talking about.
1752
01:24:45.270 --> 01:24:47.989
Originally in the script, he calls his wife and expresses
1753
01:24:48.069 --> 01:24:52.619
concern about his own safety. And Pleasant said, no, Loomis
1754
01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:55.359
shouldn't have any established family life and he shouldn't have
1755
01:24:55.500 --> 01:24:58.340
any personal backstory because it would soften the character and
1756
01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:02.229
detract from his singular focus on Michael Myers.
1757
01:25:03.560 --> 01:25:04.880
He is absolutely right, though.
1758
01:25:05.199 --> 01:25:07.930
What's funny is that's exactly what works for Michael Myers
1759
01:25:07.970 --> 01:25:10.390
as well, is that his only backstory is when he
1760
01:25:10.430 --> 01:25:12.550
kills his sister and then he's in Smith Grove where
1761
01:25:12.569 --> 01:25:16.109
he basically, according to everybody, sat in a chair and
1762
01:25:16.130 --> 01:25:16.770
stared at a wall.
1763
01:25:16.810 --> 01:25:17.310
Just waiting.
1764
01:25:17.750 --> 01:25:22.279
Yeah, just waiting. So Carpenter admitted later that he was
1765
01:25:22.439 --> 01:25:25.699
so intimidated by Pleasance that he didn't argue with him.
1766
01:25:26.439 --> 01:25:28.819
So the scene was rewritten to him warning authorities that
1767
01:25:28.859 --> 01:25:31.420
Michael was coming to Haddonfield, which makes way more sense anyway.
1768
01:25:31.619 --> 01:25:31.819
Yeah.
1769
01:25:33.390 --> 01:25:36.010
And a lot of people think that that really helped
1770
01:25:36.109 --> 01:25:40.250
because that decision established a something that went on for
1771
01:25:40.270 --> 01:25:43.510
many more films that Loomis only cares about Michael Myers,
1772
01:25:43.989 --> 01:25:46.270
like that he has a singular obsession in his entire life.
1773
01:25:46.289 --> 01:25:49.869
His life revolves around Michael Myers. In some of the
1774
01:25:50.510 --> 01:25:54.439
Halloween comics, they actually established that Loomis's family fell apart
1775
01:25:54.960 --> 01:25:56.880
because of Michael Myers, that like his wife left him
1776
01:25:56.920 --> 01:25:58.979
because he stopped He would come home later and later
1777
01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:00.260
and then sometimes not come home at all.
1778
01:26:00.500 --> 01:26:01.020
Oh, man.
1779
01:26:01.039 --> 01:26:02.460
Because he would just be at his desk at his
1780
01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:04.520
office trying to figure out what to do and how
1781
01:26:04.539 --> 01:26:07.439
to understand this and stuff like that. So that's another
1782
01:26:07.500 --> 01:26:14.119
great Pleasance bit. But then there's the the wine incident. Oh, oh, yeah.
1783
01:26:14.229 --> 01:26:16.189
This is another one that's been around for a while.
1784
01:26:16.949 --> 01:26:20.609
And take these as you will. There's no. These are
1785
01:26:20.710 --> 01:26:23.909
all stories that were told after the fact captured on
1786
01:26:23.949 --> 01:26:27.590
the Internet. I'm pretty sure these are legit. You know,
1787
01:26:27.609 --> 01:26:29.789
I tried to check them before I, because some of
1788
01:26:29.829 --> 01:26:31.770
these I had in my mind, old memories, and some
1789
01:26:31.789 --> 01:26:33.010
of them I had to kind of double check on.
1790
01:26:33.729 --> 01:26:38.470
But during the sanitarium escape sequence we were talking about,
1791
01:26:39.829 --> 01:26:43.789
reportedly Pleasance consumed at least one bottle, maybe two bottles
1792
01:26:43.850 --> 01:26:48.949
of red wine in his trailer. Uh-oh. So Carpenter became
1793
01:26:48.989 --> 01:26:51.310
concerned about whether the guy would even be able to
1794
01:26:51.369 --> 01:26:54.909
walk down the steps to perform the dialogue with Nurse
1795
01:26:54.989 --> 01:27:01.409
Marion Chambers. So apparently Pleasance challenged Carpenter over the scene,
1796
01:27:01.449 --> 01:27:04.569
complaining that made him look foolish and that the writing
1797
01:27:04.609 --> 01:27:08.189
was just too melodramatic, which is wild. Cause I mean,
1798
01:27:08.220 --> 01:27:12.199
that character is very melodramatic, but, uh, so then despite
1799
01:27:12.380 --> 01:27:16.220
the drinking and the tension, the scene was completed and
1800
01:27:16.420 --> 01:27:18.100
I would say Pleasance was coherent.
1801
01:27:18.640 --> 01:27:18.859
Yeah.
1802
01:27:19.220 --> 01:27:23.659
But, uh, but apparently the alcohol amount has bounced around
1803
01:27:23.699 --> 01:27:27.869
from lots of different, lots of different sources. Um, And
1804
01:27:27.909 --> 01:27:32.130
then one of my favorite things that Pleasance brought to
1805
01:27:32.149 --> 01:27:34.930
the film was the ending. And I mentioned that when
1806
01:27:34.970 --> 01:27:40.630
we rewatched it. Yes. So originally, when Loomis looks over
1807
01:27:40.670 --> 01:27:42.590
the edge at where Michael had fallen after he shot
1808
01:27:42.630 --> 01:27:45.550
him six times, he's gone.
1809
01:27:46.390 --> 01:27:46.630
Right?
1810
01:27:46.909 --> 01:27:49.670
Right. It's one of the most exciting parts of the
1811
01:27:49.710 --> 01:27:53.140
entire film, which is smart. In a film that is exciting,
1812
01:27:53.149 --> 01:27:56.060
one of the most exciting moments is right before the credits. Right.
1813
01:27:56.689 --> 01:27:58.069
You know, because we see the field and now it's
1814
01:27:58.130 --> 01:28:02.119
empty and you're do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Well, apparently, so Pleasence has a
1815
01:28:02.140 --> 01:28:05.159
reaction to not seeing him there. And Pleasence told Carpenter
1816
01:28:05.199 --> 01:28:09.239
that he himself had two interpretations of how Loomis would react.
1817
01:28:09.859 --> 01:28:13.529
One would be surprise, like he genuinely couldn't believe anyone
1818
01:28:13.550 --> 01:28:15.350
would survive being shot six times and falling off of
1819
01:28:15.390 --> 01:28:18.890
this balcony. But the one that he liked more for
1820
01:28:18.930 --> 01:28:22.329
Loomis was recognition, was the way he described it. So
1821
01:28:22.609 --> 01:28:27.270
he knew, he realized... oh my God, I knew it.
1822
01:28:27.829 --> 01:28:34.340
He can't be destroyed because you can't kill the boogeyman. Yeah. Although,
1823
01:28:34.439 --> 01:28:37.729
I mean, to paraphrase, because he wasn't talking about the boogeyman.
1824
01:28:37.770 --> 01:28:41.039
That was Doyle, Tommy Doyle. But of course, you know,
1825
01:28:41.060 --> 01:28:42.619
there's a part right at the end, the famous part
1826
01:28:42.640 --> 01:28:45.850
where Laurie says, was that the boogeyman? And Loomis has
1827
01:28:46.930 --> 01:28:48.810
very dead serious as a matter of fact, it was.
1828
01:28:49.789 --> 01:28:51.189
So chilling. I know.
1829
01:28:51.210 --> 01:28:51.789
I didn't.
1830
01:28:51.829 --> 01:28:53.689
And that didn't hit me when I was younger. I
1831
01:28:53.850 --> 01:28:55.399
didn't didn't click with me that. I mean, it was
1832
01:28:55.449 --> 01:28:57.300
kind of a cool line. But when I got older,
1833
01:28:57.319 --> 01:28:59.119
I was like, no, he's saying like the boogeyman is
1834
01:28:59.180 --> 01:29:01.640
real and he's realizing it in this moment, too. He's like,
1835
01:29:02.199 --> 01:29:03.939
this is what the boogeyman is.
1836
01:29:04.220 --> 01:29:04.539
It is.
1837
01:29:05.399 --> 01:29:09.000
Michael Myers is what the boogeyman is. I got little chills, too.
1838
01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:11.859
So but they ended up, of course, going with the
1839
01:29:11.899 --> 01:29:17.479
recognition take, which Carpenter said he originally didn't think would
1840
01:29:17.500 --> 01:29:20.500
be the better one. But he said that in post, yeah,
1841
01:29:20.539 --> 01:29:22.229
they were watching. It was like, oh, it's way scarier
1842
01:29:22.239 --> 01:29:24.930
with him just recognizing that this has happened. Like, I
1843
01:29:24.989 --> 01:29:29.189
knew it. Shit, I knew it. He can't die. And
1844
01:29:29.590 --> 01:29:31.569
that leads into another element of this movie that I
1845
01:29:31.630 --> 01:29:34.229
love so much. I mean, we're talking about the credit,
1846
01:29:34.300 --> 01:29:38.159
the ending right now, but it doesn't matter. We're just really, like,
1847
01:29:38.359 --> 01:29:40.399
there's so much to praise in this movie. So many
1848
01:29:40.479 --> 01:29:44.600
interesting elements, so many interesting factoids. At the end, after
1849
01:29:44.680 --> 01:29:46.909
he realizes that Michael is gone, and then it cuts
1850
01:29:46.970 --> 01:29:50.199
to all those shots of just empty... the houses around
1851
01:29:50.539 --> 01:29:53.640
the living rooms around everything's empty. That wasn't in the
1852
01:29:53.680 --> 01:29:57.390
script and that wasn't planned. Those were all the, the
1853
01:29:57.439 --> 01:30:02.130
takes before or after scenes that, um, footage that hadn't
1854
01:30:02.149 --> 01:30:04.989
been used. So like shots of the house before people
1855
01:30:05.010 --> 01:30:07.409
were supposed to walk through or, or right at the
1856
01:30:07.449 --> 01:30:10.800
end after they'd already exited frame, the editor and carpenter,
1857
01:30:11.060 --> 01:30:12.460
he was like, dude, I have all these shots. Like
1858
01:30:12.500 --> 01:30:14.479
we could make it look like we're looking for him everywhere.
1859
01:30:14.979 --> 01:30:16.039
Yeah.
1860
01:30:16.119 --> 01:30:19.039
What's weird is. So when I was younger, not even younger,
1861
01:30:19.100 --> 01:30:21.060
like even just a few years ago, I interpreted that
1862
01:30:21.180 --> 01:30:24.689
as like all the places he had been, um, And,
1863
01:30:24.880 --> 01:30:27.539
you know, he's not in any of those places. And
1864
01:30:27.579 --> 01:30:29.800
then as I got older, I realized, no, these are
1865
01:30:29.859 --> 01:30:33.100
all the places he could be because you never see him.
1866
01:30:33.399 --> 01:30:35.960
You never see him until it's too late. Yeah. And
1867
01:30:35.979 --> 01:30:37.939
then I got so much more scared.
1868
01:30:38.640 --> 01:30:40.020
Yeah. Yeah.
1869
01:30:40.739 --> 01:30:44.670
Because, well, that's the movie does a very good job
1870
01:30:44.789 --> 01:30:49.869
of teaching you that the shape will appear. It's not
1871
01:30:49.890 --> 01:30:52.329
a question of if it's a question of when.
1872
01:30:52.590 --> 01:30:52.770
Yeah.
1873
01:30:53.529 --> 01:30:57.630
And so you do very, very quickly get paranoid and
1874
01:30:57.670 --> 01:31:00.090
you're looking at the shadows and you're looking at the
1875
01:31:00.130 --> 01:31:04.659
negative shapes and, you know, the bushes themselves become threatening,
1876
01:31:05.060 --> 01:31:09.220
you know, because, you know, Laurie sees Michael hiding behind
1877
01:31:09.260 --> 01:31:11.340
the bushes. And then when she looks again, he's gone,
1878
01:31:11.460 --> 01:31:13.020
you know, and they go to try and find him
1879
01:31:13.039 --> 01:31:18.670
and he's like totally gone. So that that makes that
1880
01:31:18.829 --> 01:31:22.439
final scenery interesting. So much more threatening.
1881
01:31:22.460 --> 01:31:22.600
Yeah.
1882
01:31:22.880 --> 01:31:27.729
And then also take into account, like you said at
1883
01:31:27.770 --> 01:31:34.789
the beginning, the beginning shots really, that pullout really establishes
1884
01:31:35.170 --> 01:31:37.229
the neighborhood as a character.
1885
01:31:37.449 --> 01:31:37.689
Yeah.
1886
01:31:38.250 --> 01:31:42.050
So it's almost like you're kind of seeing that character
1887
01:31:42.149 --> 01:31:44.869
totally transformed at the end of the movie.
1888
01:31:45.210 --> 01:31:51.960
Yeah. No, I couldn't agree more. And you can't. You just,
1889
01:31:52.199 --> 01:32:01.470
you really can't kill the boogeyman. One thing I have
1890
01:32:01.560 --> 01:32:06.350
always loved about the story of making Halloween is how
1891
01:32:06.430 --> 01:32:10.289
there were some people who were disinterested, like Donald Pleasance initially,
1892
01:32:10.550 --> 01:32:12.369
who ended up bringing an immense amount to the film
1893
01:32:12.390 --> 01:32:15.289
and then to the franchise. And then Mustafa Akkad, we
1894
01:32:15.310 --> 01:32:18.069
were talking about earlier, how he threw some money in
1895
01:32:18.289 --> 01:32:20.449
and kind of whatever, but he wasn't really hands-on. And
1896
01:32:20.489 --> 01:32:23.289
then When he saw like, oh my God, they captured
1897
01:32:23.310 --> 01:32:26.010
lightning in a bottle. He was like, hell yeah, I've
1898
01:32:26.090 --> 01:32:27.829
paid for all this. Like I'm a part of this.
1899
01:32:28.390 --> 01:32:30.010
And on one hand you'd be like, oh, now you care.
1900
01:32:30.029 --> 01:32:31.550
But on the other hand, it's like, well, what would
1901
01:32:31.569 --> 01:32:33.909
you rather him do? Like still disown it? Be like, well,
1902
01:32:33.930 --> 01:32:35.689
then I want someone to buy me out for $ 20
1903
01:32:35.390 --> 01:32:38.630
million because, you know, I financed this turd and now
1904
01:32:38.689 --> 01:32:41.569
you all want it. No, he loved it. That's awesome.
1905
01:32:41.789 --> 01:32:42.010
Yeah.
1906
01:32:42.409 --> 01:32:45.409
And it's funny because that's like on Friday the 13th,
1907
01:32:46.220 --> 01:32:49.500
the original investors, there was an investor group from the
1908
01:32:49.539 --> 01:32:51.329
Northeast that And one of them was a guy named
1909
01:32:51.369 --> 01:32:53.689
Phil Scuderi, I believe was the name. He owned like
1910
01:32:53.909 --> 01:32:57.909
five or 12 something. He owned a bunch of theaters
1911
01:32:57.979 --> 01:33:00.340
in New England. Okay. And he put in a ton
1912
01:33:00.359 --> 01:33:02.220
of money because he was like, I could totally show
1913
01:33:02.260 --> 01:33:04.579
these and make my money back, you know, that I
1914
01:33:04.600 --> 01:33:07.840
put in. And he ended up, he never got to
1915
01:33:07.859 --> 01:33:10.500
be like a public face of Friday the 13th or anything,
1916
01:33:10.539 --> 01:33:13.560
but he was like throwing ideas in for like the
1917
01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:16.180
first two or three sequels. Because he was one of
1918
01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:18.069
the guys who still owned a little chunk of it,
1919
01:33:18.159 --> 01:33:20.359
even while Paramount was kind of buying everybody out.
1920
01:33:20.600 --> 01:33:20.899
Yeah.
1921
01:33:20.920 --> 01:33:22.180
And I always loved that too. I was like, man,
1922
01:33:22.220 --> 01:33:24.310
if I had had a bit of input on a
1923
01:33:24.390 --> 01:33:26.909
frigging movie that became legendary and successful and stuff.
1924
01:33:27.210 --> 01:33:27.449
Yeah.
1925
01:33:27.510 --> 01:33:29.369
I would want to own it. I just think that's
1926
01:33:29.390 --> 01:33:29.829
really cool.
1927
01:33:30.069 --> 01:33:32.090
It is cool. It is cool.
1928
01:33:32.649 --> 01:33:36.130
Yeah, it is cool. So, but I mean, Halloween really
1929
01:33:36.189 --> 01:33:37.329
is the gift that keeps on giving.
1930
01:33:37.649 --> 01:33:38.489
Oh, absolutely.
1931
01:33:39.149 --> 01:33:42.840
So, but, uh, but yeah, so. I just love that ending.
1932
01:33:42.880 --> 01:33:45.199
I love the, the whole, you can't find the boogeyman.
1933
01:33:45.220 --> 01:33:47.159
I love the whole that you're always looking in the
1934
01:33:47.220 --> 01:33:49.159
corners of the screen, which I think has later on
1935
01:33:49.220 --> 01:33:52.319
become a major element of found footage movies. I've talked
1936
01:33:52.359 --> 01:33:54.439
about this idea that like, cause you can only see
1937
01:33:54.510 --> 01:33:58.130
the little bit in front of them. Therefore you're always
1938
01:33:58.170 --> 01:34:00.069
wondering like what's the left, what's the right, you know,
1939
01:34:00.170 --> 01:34:02.029
it's a different way, but it's the same result.
1940
01:34:02.329 --> 01:34:02.850
Exactly.
1941
01:34:03.090 --> 01:34:06.390
When I shot my first or second found footage movie, uh,
1942
01:34:06.430 --> 01:34:08.529
we had these led lights that had like a focus.
1943
01:34:09.069 --> 01:34:12.210
And I took all of those flashlights that were handing
1944
01:34:12.229 --> 01:34:15.800
the actors and I focused them to about a 40%
1945
01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:17.800
narrow beam and then taped them in place.
1946
01:34:18.100 --> 01:34:18.479
Yeah.
1947
01:34:18.489 --> 01:34:20.539
So the flashlights only had a short field, like a
1948
01:34:20.560 --> 01:34:23.199
really tiny field of view, not like painfully tiny, but
1949
01:34:23.460 --> 01:34:25.880
noticeably a little bit smaller, just so you wouldn't get
1950
01:34:26.180 --> 01:34:29.180
to see much at any given moment. So anyway.
1951
01:34:31.060 --> 01:34:35.180
It's just a, it goes to prove that in film,
1952
01:34:35.699 --> 01:34:39.140
in film, Sometimes the less you show, the better.
1953
01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:42.560
Often. I mean, that's one of the things about Jaws.
1954
01:34:42.579 --> 01:34:43.960
I don't know if you know about that. Like the
1955
01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:45.140
shark would not work.
1956
01:34:45.819 --> 01:34:47.939
Oh, yeah. I've heard all about that.
1957
01:34:47.979 --> 01:34:50.560
Yeah, yeah. So they had to play with your expectations
1958
01:34:50.640 --> 01:34:52.939
instead because they were supposed to have this incredible animatronic
1959
01:34:52.960 --> 01:34:54.840
shark that would just like do all kinds of cool stuff.
1960
01:34:54.859 --> 01:34:56.399
It was state of the art. And it was just
1961
01:34:56.420 --> 01:34:58.880
a piece of crap. It just would never work. It
1962
01:34:58.899 --> 01:35:02.109
turns out machinery and saltwater don't mix. I mean, you know,
1963
01:35:02.350 --> 01:35:04.229
if they just talked to a single Portuguese, they would
1964
01:35:04.250 --> 01:35:04.710
have known that.
1965
01:35:04.729 --> 01:35:05.210
Yeah.
1966
01:35:05.899 --> 01:35:08.840
But, uh, but yeah, no, I, I very, very, I
1967
01:35:08.859 --> 01:35:11.649
just love, uh, I love Halloween. And I remember when
1968
01:35:11.689 --> 01:35:12.930
I put it up, we put it on the screen
1969
01:35:12.939 --> 01:35:14.609
to watch it, to get ready for the show. I mentioned,
1970
01:35:14.630 --> 01:35:16.569
I was like, this has to be like, we have
1971
01:35:16.590 --> 01:35:20.050
to do something extra. Cause like the first viewing of
1972
01:35:20.329 --> 01:35:24.149
Halloween one in October is always gotta be a special.
1973
01:35:24.529 --> 01:35:25.210
Oh, absolutely.
1974
01:35:25.250 --> 01:35:27.649
Cause it's that moment where you're like, it is now Halloween.
1975
01:35:27.710 --> 01:35:30.069
Now the next big one will be watching four and
1976
01:35:30.130 --> 01:35:32.250
five and six. I don't watch all of them every year.
1977
01:35:32.270 --> 01:35:35.369
I sometimes I do. I try to. I've become more
1978
01:35:35.409 --> 01:35:38.390
in love with watching H2O every year, which that one
1979
01:35:38.430 --> 01:35:42.010
was special because my mom was excited about it.
1980
01:35:43.609 --> 01:35:46.479
Well, that was like at the perfect time for your
1981
01:35:46.520 --> 01:35:49.720
mom to be excited about it, too. Because that was
1982
01:35:49.819 --> 01:35:54.319
like you were old enough for her to kind of
1983
01:35:54.359 --> 01:35:56.140
really be into it. I know she was always kind
1984
01:35:56.180 --> 01:35:56.800
of a bit into.
1985
01:35:56.739 --> 01:35:58.279
The horror movies. She's always liked horror movies, but she
1986
01:35:58.300 --> 01:36:00.420
was never like a fan fan. But she would not
1987
01:36:00.439 --> 01:36:02.739
like hide from them or anything. If they were on TV,
1988
01:36:02.760 --> 01:36:05.550
she'd watch them. No, no, she was excited because she
1989
01:36:05.609 --> 01:36:06.789
loved Jamie Lee Curtis.
1990
01:36:06.829 --> 01:36:07.789
That's what I was getting to.
1991
01:36:07.789 --> 01:36:08.829
Okay, I want to make sure that was clear. I
1992
01:36:08.829 --> 01:36:10.369
was like, no, that's because.
1993
01:36:09.970 --> 01:36:13.010
She loved Jamie Lee Curtis.
1994
01:36:13.029 --> 01:36:14.750
She still loves Jamie Lee.
1995
01:36:14.909 --> 01:36:15.510
We all do.
1996
01:36:15.649 --> 01:36:17.050
Well, yeah, I mean, you can't not. But, I mean,
1997
01:36:17.069 --> 01:36:19.890
my mom loved Jamie Lee. Jamie Lee was around her age.
1998
01:36:20.289 --> 01:36:20.510
Yeah.
1999
01:36:20.529 --> 01:36:23.430
She was cool. So, no, my mom was just amped
2000
01:36:23.449 --> 01:36:25.720
because Jamie Lee was back in Halloween. So, she was like,
2001
01:36:25.729 --> 01:36:28.739
I'm going to rent this because my son will watch it, too. So,
2002
01:36:29.039 --> 01:36:31.739
I like that one. I think that one gets... Overall,
2003
01:36:31.760 --> 01:36:34.500
I think it gets enough. It gets love. Yeah.
2004
01:36:34.539 --> 01:36:36.939
I think people have gotten a little bit kinder to it.
2005
01:36:37.319 --> 01:36:39.899
Well, it's not like, you know, either. I can see
2006
01:36:39.920 --> 01:36:43.909
why people just hate six. Fine. It's got some stupid stuff,
2007
01:36:43.949 --> 01:36:45.970
but I think it's got great atmosphere. It's kooky. And
2008
01:36:46.050 --> 01:36:49.710
the producer's cuts even weirder. Part five. Yeah, it's a
2009
01:36:49.710 --> 01:36:54.689
little hokey. But, you know, but like H2O has great performances.
2010
01:36:54.729 --> 01:36:56.329
They treated it like a bigger movie.
2011
01:36:56.630 --> 01:36:56.810
Yeah.
2012
01:36:56.829 --> 01:36:59.680
I mean, it's got major actors in it as well
2013
01:36:59.729 --> 01:37:03.060
as LL Cool J. Um, you know, it's got, it's
2014
01:37:03.079 --> 01:37:05.220
got a lot going for it. And as I watch it,
2015
01:37:05.220 --> 01:37:06.859
I'm like, time is being very kind to this and
2016
01:37:06.939 --> 01:37:09.399
resurrection time is very kind to it because it's become
2017
01:37:09.460 --> 01:37:13.239
so dated because it's about live streaming back when dial
2018
01:37:13.279 --> 01:37:17.850
up was the way. So it's very, very like, it's
2019
01:37:17.859 --> 01:37:19.970
like half a found footage movie because they're wearing cameras
2020
01:37:19.989 --> 01:37:22.130
on their heads and stuff. It's very, very silly. But
2021
01:37:22.170 --> 01:37:24.369
in theaters, I remember when I actually went and saw
2022
01:37:24.390 --> 01:37:25.970
it with my mom and when we were leaving, I
2023
01:37:25.970 --> 01:37:27.449
was like, that wasn't very good. My mom was like, no,
2024
01:37:27.489 --> 01:37:31.899
it was not. Yeah. she didn't relish it. She was like, no,
2025
01:37:31.939 --> 01:37:34.159
because she would, sometimes you go to those just to,
2026
01:37:34.380 --> 01:37:36.479
you know, because I desperately wanted to go and they
2027
01:37:36.500 --> 01:37:39.119
wouldn't let me in without, without a parent.
2028
01:37:39.149 --> 01:37:40.609
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
2029
01:37:40.750 --> 01:37:42.529
Cause she'd get mad too. She'd be like, if I
2030
01:37:42.590 --> 01:37:45.149
walk up to the ticket booth and buy his ticket
2031
01:37:45.250 --> 01:37:47.729
in front of you and then hand him the ticket,
2032
01:37:48.029 --> 01:37:50.659
why can't you let him go in? You know, they're like,
2033
01:37:50.680 --> 01:37:53.060
you gotta go in with them. And she's like, okay.
2034
01:37:53.180 --> 01:37:54.760
And so she's like, well, give me a ticket. And
2035
01:37:54.819 --> 01:37:56.659
she'd go in. So I remember when we went to
2036
01:37:56.699 --> 01:37:58.979
see Freddy versus Jason, my mom was trying to, cause
2037
01:37:59.000 --> 01:38:00.619
at that point I was like 16 or 17. I
2038
01:38:00.659 --> 01:38:02.000
wasn't like 11.
2039
01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:02.239
Yeah.
2040
01:38:02.840 --> 01:38:06.220
And they were like, sorry, you can't like do that. Like,
2041
01:38:06.279 --> 01:38:07.640
so my mom was like, oh my gosh, she buys
2042
01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:09.680
herself a ticket. And there were three kids that I
2043
01:38:09.739 --> 01:38:13.439
vaguely knew from high school who were standing to the side. And, uh,
2044
01:38:14.050 --> 01:38:15.369
and I was like, what, what's your guys' deal? And
2045
01:38:15.390 --> 01:38:16.789
I was like, he won't let us in. Our parents
2046
01:38:16.829 --> 01:38:18.970
bought us tickets. They won't let us in. And my
2047
01:38:19.010 --> 01:38:21.289
mom was like, All right. And she walks up to
2048
01:38:21.310 --> 01:38:23.640
Freddy and she's like, they're with me. And these three
2049
01:38:23.739 --> 01:38:26.199
unrelated kids came in with us and we all went
2050
01:38:26.220 --> 01:38:27.689
to see Freddy versus Jason.
2051
01:38:27.750 --> 01:38:29.949
Yes. Yes.
2052
01:38:30.680 --> 01:38:35.029
I mean, we weren't 11, you know, we were 16,
2053
01:38:35.029 --> 01:38:38.819
17 years old. So, but yeah, it's just, it's just funny.
2054
01:38:40.300 --> 01:38:44.739
Oh, that's great. Well, one of the other things that
2055
01:38:44.800 --> 01:38:48.899
I really, I mean, Going back to everyone loves Jamie
2056
01:38:48.920 --> 01:38:49.500
Lee Curtis.
2057
01:38:49.560 --> 01:38:50.439
Darn tootin'..
2058
01:38:50.460 --> 01:38:56.140
But Laurie, in this movie, more and more, I just
2059
01:38:56.840 --> 01:38:58.220
love her as a character.
2060
01:38:58.239 --> 01:38:59.000
Yeah.
2061
01:38:59.020 --> 01:39:05.420
And watching this back-to-back with Hellraiser was, for me, a
2062
01:39:05.579 --> 01:39:10.810
really good comparison contrast between Laurie and Kirstie. And you
2063
01:39:10.819 --> 01:39:18.189
start to see some similarities. They're both... very resourceful and
2064
01:39:18.649 --> 01:39:25.970
very observant and very caring. One of the things that's different, though, is,
2065
01:39:26.470 --> 01:39:29.270
you know, obviously, Kirstie's a little older. She's in college.
2066
01:39:30.789 --> 01:39:33.310
The movie kind of makes a point of kind of
2067
01:39:33.369 --> 01:39:37.449
showing that, you know, she's not some petite flower. She's
2068
01:39:37.489 --> 01:39:40.380
dating a guy. She goes, you know, goes back over
2069
01:39:40.409 --> 01:39:46.319
to his place. In Halloween... There's kind of this trope
2070
01:39:46.380 --> 01:39:50.159
that Laurie's, like, kind of a stick in the mud.
2071
01:39:50.739 --> 01:39:55.119
But watching it through again, like, she's got a crush
2072
01:39:55.199 --> 01:39:58.460
on a guy. Ben Schramer. Ben. Yeah, Ben Schramer. She
2073
01:39:58.500 --> 01:40:01.020
just doesn't really want to pursue it.
2074
01:40:01.899 --> 01:40:04.930
You know? Yeah, well, she... She does say, guys don't
2075
01:40:05.010 --> 01:40:06.489
like me. They think I'm too smart.
2076
01:40:06.770 --> 01:40:07.289
Yeah.
2077
01:40:07.409 --> 01:40:11.149
Which, you know, on one hand, but on the other hand, cope.
2078
01:40:11.510 --> 01:40:15.579
I mean, but we all say, like, you know, it's
2079
01:40:15.619 --> 01:40:17.479
good to have an excuse for why you're not going
2080
01:40:17.500 --> 01:40:18.859
to do the thing you don't want to do because
2081
01:40:18.880 --> 01:40:19.420
you're scared.
2082
01:40:19.640 --> 01:40:19.960
Yeah.
2083
01:40:20.220 --> 01:40:20.859
That's all I'm saying.
2084
01:40:20.880 --> 01:40:21.460
Exactly.
2085
01:40:21.640 --> 01:40:23.899
Yeah. But I love how our friends are just like,
2086
01:40:23.939 --> 01:40:26.569
we want you to, you know, live a little and stuff.
2087
01:40:26.590 --> 01:40:26.689
Yeah.
2088
01:40:27.050 --> 01:40:30.489
You know, Ben Tramer wants to talk to you, especially
2089
01:40:30.550 --> 01:40:32.770
after I told him how attracted to him you were.
2090
01:40:33.210 --> 01:40:35.729
I love that she says it like that, which is perfect.
2091
01:40:35.789 --> 01:40:38.340
It doesn't sound unnatural at all. It sounds like that's
2092
01:40:38.380 --> 01:40:40.199
the best way to taunt her. Since I told him
2093
01:40:40.239 --> 01:40:43.579
how attracted to him you were. Not how hot you
2094
01:40:43.699 --> 01:40:45.420
are for him or how cute you think he is. No,
2095
01:40:45.739 --> 01:40:47.220
attracted to him.
2096
01:40:47.239 --> 01:40:49.659
This makes it so much more demeaning.
2097
01:40:49.770 --> 01:40:52.069
I know, I know. It's just like it feels way
2098
01:40:52.090 --> 01:40:55.710
more like a betrayal. Yeah, yeah. No, Laurie's a very
2099
01:40:55.789 --> 01:40:59.590
likable character and that's an element of Halloween. I would
2100
01:40:59.630 --> 01:41:04.329
love your opinion on, um, which is why those shoes? No, um,
2101
01:41:05.399 --> 01:41:09.979
which is like, do you look at, like, do you
2102
01:41:10.039 --> 01:41:12.930
see the movie as kind of a straight, like, uh,
2103
01:41:13.270 --> 01:41:17.050
morality conundrum where like everybody who's out partying and having
2104
01:41:17.090 --> 01:41:19.770
sex dies? Or do you see it as, as more
2105
01:41:19.890 --> 01:41:22.270
complex than that? Cause that's kind of a, That's one
2106
01:41:22.289 --> 01:41:24.270
of those things that's big in slasher movies. The whole
2107
01:41:24.289 --> 01:41:27.960
idea of sex gets you killed. So is Laurie being
2108
01:41:28.020 --> 01:41:31.760
rewarded for being good? Or is it just that she
2109
01:41:31.800 --> 01:41:38.399
recognizes Michael because she's paying attention or, or if you
2110
01:41:38.439 --> 01:41:41.619
wanted to get heady, um, like they kind of share
2111
01:41:41.659 --> 01:41:44.390
a level of isolation. They're kind of similar in that way.
2112
01:41:44.399 --> 01:41:48.170
Like nobody gets too close because Laurie, the reason I
2113
01:41:48.189 --> 01:41:51.310
like Laurie is are things like she actually wants to
2114
01:41:51.350 --> 01:41:52.609
have fun with Tommy Doyle.
2115
01:41:53.109 --> 01:41:53.569
Yeah.
2116
01:41:53.590 --> 01:41:55.850
Like she actually wants to do something fun with him.
2117
01:41:55.909 --> 01:41:58.779
She actually wants to make popcorn and carve the jack-o'-lantern. And,
2118
01:41:59.140 --> 01:42:01.140
you know, she does seem to enjoy it. But they
2119
01:42:01.180 --> 01:42:02.979
do make that reference where they say, gosh, you must
2120
01:42:03.020 --> 01:42:05.579
have a fortune stashed away with all the babysitting you
2121
01:42:05.619 --> 01:42:07.279
do because she doesn't go on dates.
2122
01:42:07.539 --> 01:42:13.100
Yeah. Yeah. No, well, I think it's nuanced. I think
2123
01:42:13.140 --> 01:42:17.439
it's a bit more toward the second one. you were saying,
2124
01:42:17.619 --> 01:42:25.310
where she's observant. Because, again, she's not totally morally pure.
2125
01:42:25.329 --> 01:42:28.350
I mean, she goes off with Annie and they get stoned.
2126
01:42:28.949 --> 01:42:30.189
Yeah, yeah, in the car.
2127
01:42:30.310 --> 01:42:33.909
In the car. So it's not like she was totally,
2128
01:42:34.470 --> 01:42:39.029
you know, she had vices. It's just that she was
2129
01:42:39.130 --> 01:42:43.409
way more into, like, saving back some money and, you know, studying,
2130
01:42:43.489 --> 01:42:47.569
getting good grades and hanging out with Tommy Doyle. then
2131
01:42:47.729 --> 01:42:50.130
she was, you know, asking out Ben Schramer.
2132
01:42:50.850 --> 01:42:55.130
Well, and Carpenter actually hated the idea that it was
2133
01:42:55.189 --> 01:42:59.449
about killing sexually active girls and guys. He said that
2134
01:43:00.229 --> 01:43:05.300
in a way, Michael and Lori were both repressed. Okay.
2135
01:43:05.479 --> 01:43:08.500
And that was kind of their connection that made them
2136
01:43:09.739 --> 01:43:13.460
perfect enemies or foils or whatever you want to say. That, that,
2137
01:43:14.579 --> 01:43:16.699
But I always took it more, what you were agreeing with,
2138
01:43:16.720 --> 01:43:17.979
I always took it more as like she was more
2139
01:43:18.039 --> 01:43:20.810
aware because she had less, she had so few distractions.
2140
01:43:21.479 --> 01:43:26.630
And to an extent, if I, in my reading, yeah,
2141
01:43:26.689 --> 01:43:30.010
if you're a little bit more air quote pure, you,
2142
01:43:30.390 --> 01:43:32.970
like a child, you see the boogeyman.
2143
01:43:33.329 --> 01:43:33.890
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2144
01:43:33.909 --> 01:43:37.159
You grow out of seeing the boogeyman. So if I
2145
01:43:37.199 --> 01:43:39.319
wanted to have like fun with that interpretation, I would
2146
01:43:39.340 --> 01:43:41.159
throw that into the, into there as well as like,
2147
01:43:41.260 --> 01:43:43.180
but also she sees the boogeyman.
2148
01:43:43.779 --> 01:43:44.000
Yeah.
2149
01:43:44.119 --> 01:43:44.399
You know?
2150
01:43:45.510 --> 01:43:48.229
And, and I think that is an interesting, that's a
2151
01:43:48.289 --> 01:43:52.529
very interesting point because she and Tommy really are the
2152
01:43:52.640 --> 01:44:00.619
only ones who recognize, uh, uh, everyone else seems totally oblivious. Um,
2153
01:44:01.489 --> 01:44:04.390
And even, and I think it's great, like, when we
2154
01:44:04.789 --> 01:44:06.729
learn that Annie's dad is the sheriff.
2155
01:44:06.909 --> 01:44:08.970
Yes. And it's right after the- I said, aren't you
2156
01:44:09.010 --> 01:44:12.220
going to be late? He yells, too. Annie's a great character.
2157
01:44:12.260 --> 01:44:12.579
I love her.
2158
01:44:12.600 --> 01:44:13.880
It's just a great character.
2159
01:44:13.899 --> 01:44:16.239
I forget the dog's name, but he's barking again. Lester's
2160
01:44:16.340 --> 01:44:22.100
barking again and getting on my nerves again. So great.
2161
01:44:22.319 --> 01:44:28.380
It's so great. But it's, so somebody's broken into, like,
2162
01:44:28.399 --> 01:44:34.880
the town- the general store. And they've stolen knives and
2163
01:44:35.039 --> 01:44:36.300
rope and a mask.
2164
01:44:36.899 --> 01:44:40.000
Yeah, a couple kitchen knives, a rope and a Halloween mask.
2165
01:44:40.460 --> 01:44:46.020
Which we know how threatening that is. But to a
2166
01:44:46.079 --> 01:44:51.350
small town, that just seems like some kids getting into trouble.
2167
01:44:53.510 --> 01:44:56.989
But again, Lori's the only one who really seems kind
2168
01:44:57.010 --> 01:45:00.899
of like bothered by that list of objects that has
2169
01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:04.359
been stolen everyone else seems to be like it's just
2170
01:45:04.380 --> 01:45:07.819
the way it is it's odd okay go go out
2171
01:45:07.899 --> 01:45:11.140
go about your business um so that was kind of
2172
01:45:11.199 --> 01:45:14.279
like the comparison you know what i was seeing that
2173
01:45:14.300 --> 01:45:16.720
was very similar between her and kirsty as kirsty was
2174
01:45:16.739 --> 01:45:18.220
the one who was kind of like there are some
2175
01:45:18.319 --> 01:45:22.319
things going on around here that just don't quite yeah
2176
01:45:22.680 --> 01:45:26.500
feel right um And then the other thing that it
2177
01:45:26.640 --> 01:45:29.460
really made me think about is, you know, it was
2178
01:45:29.560 --> 01:45:34.369
very it's very socially acceptable and expected for a young
2179
01:45:34.409 --> 01:45:37.289
woman to just like take care of kids and be
2180
01:45:37.329 --> 01:45:37.949
the babysitter.
2181
01:45:38.069 --> 01:45:38.310
Sure.
2182
01:45:38.529 --> 01:45:44.390
But it made me really consider how different Kirstie's care
2183
01:45:44.470 --> 01:45:47.090
was because the person that she was ultimately trying to
2184
01:45:47.270 --> 01:45:49.609
take care of was her dad. And so it's kind
2185
01:45:49.630 --> 01:45:53.960
of like a reversal of that protector role. That we
2186
01:45:54.020 --> 01:45:57.960
generally see in storytelling is like generally we see the
2187
01:45:58.039 --> 01:46:01.779
older character, the father, being the protector. But in Hellraiser,
2188
01:46:01.800 --> 01:46:05.399
we saw the daughter being the one being, you know,
2189
01:46:05.479 --> 01:46:09.640
way more into protecting or conserving the people around her. Oh.
2190
01:46:11.100 --> 01:46:13.500
So it's just it made me think about that.
2191
01:46:13.760 --> 01:46:24.500
Responsibility, the scariest thing of all. So here's a question.
2192
01:46:25.340 --> 01:46:28.520
Laurie is one of the original final girls.
2193
01:46:29.140 --> 01:46:29.239
Right.
2194
01:46:29.260 --> 01:46:31.340
This whole concept of the one girl who's left at
2195
01:46:31.380 --> 01:46:32.939
the end of the horror film that has to kind
2196
01:46:32.979 --> 01:46:36.079
of defeat the monster. Yeah. And there have been some
2197
01:46:36.199 --> 01:46:40.060
interesting arguments over the years. Halloween has been dissected a
2198
01:46:40.680 --> 01:46:43.949
lot academically, critically, every way there is.
2199
01:46:44.289 --> 01:46:44.510
Right.
2200
01:46:45.310 --> 01:46:47.970
And it's interesting because some people see the final girl
2201
01:46:48.390 --> 01:46:52.850
as misogynistic or puritanical because it's often the girl who
2202
01:46:53.510 --> 01:46:56.210
You know, do all the drugs and have all the
2203
01:46:56.250 --> 01:46:58.689
sex or whatever. I have heard that argument. It's not
2204
01:46:58.710 --> 01:47:01.149
just my argument that it's because they're not drunk and
2205
01:47:01.170 --> 01:47:04.229
they're not distracted by boys or whatever. So they see
2206
01:47:04.250 --> 01:47:06.350
the killer coming and get away, which is fair though.
2207
01:47:06.409 --> 01:47:08.279
Cause a lot of the kills are like, they're making
2208
01:47:08.300 --> 01:47:09.859
out in the car and then somebody gets stabbed through
2209
01:47:09.880 --> 01:47:12.079
the seat. Yeah. Lori ain't sitting in the car, not
2210
01:47:12.119 --> 01:47:14.479
paying attention to anything, you know, like she's not, she's
2211
01:47:14.500 --> 01:47:16.359
not getting in the car with other things on her mind.
2212
01:47:16.399 --> 01:47:18.260
Doesn't notice the windows are all fogged up, you know,
2213
01:47:18.779 --> 01:47:20.779
like that's what literally what happens to Annie is she's
2214
01:47:20.819 --> 01:47:22.010
all excited. She wants to get in her car and
2215
01:47:22.020 --> 01:47:23.189
go see her boyfriend. Yeah.
2216
01:47:23.390 --> 01:47:24.250
She doesn't even notice.
2217
01:47:24.350 --> 01:47:24.569
Yeah.
2218
01:47:24.609 --> 01:47:28.449
Which, and literally like, um, when I was in driver's school, uh,
2219
01:47:28.670 --> 01:47:31.050
the teacher literally made a reference about like teenage boys
2220
01:47:31.189 --> 01:47:34.010
often get in car accidents on their way to go
2221
01:47:34.069 --> 01:47:35.890
on dates. And then he like took a beat and
2222
01:47:35.909 --> 01:47:37.130
he was like, I wonder what they were too busy
2223
01:47:37.170 --> 01:47:40.359
thinking about instead of the road. You see, that's life.
2224
01:47:40.420 --> 01:47:44.779
That's life though. But she said, but Carol J. Clover,
2225
01:47:45.050 --> 01:47:52.409
a academic, she said that slasher movies aren't really that
2226
01:47:52.449 --> 01:47:54.970
bad of a thing, aren't really bad toward women because
2227
01:47:55.449 --> 01:47:58.300
what slasher movies actually tend to do that a lot
2228
01:47:58.340 --> 01:48:02.319
of work doesn't or fails to do is it takes
2229
01:48:02.380 --> 01:48:06.020
a film that is knowingly for male spectators mostly and
2230
01:48:06.100 --> 01:48:09.710
tells them, hey, Identify emotionally with this terrified girl.
2231
01:48:10.399 --> 01:48:10.760
Yeah.
2232
01:48:11.060 --> 01:48:15.239
Yeah. So she's not just an object. You're afraid she's
2233
01:48:15.279 --> 01:48:17.670
going to die. You're hoping she's going to whoop butt.
2234
01:48:18.210 --> 01:48:18.390
Yeah.
2235
01:48:18.750 --> 01:48:19.939
She is a stand-in for you.
2236
01:48:20.100 --> 01:48:23.319
You. Yes. But then if you want to hear another
2237
01:48:23.380 --> 01:48:29.199
scholarly attitude, Kelly Conley wrote this years ago, a few
2238
01:48:29.220 --> 01:48:32.359
years back, that while she says the opposite, she's like,
2239
01:48:32.380 --> 01:48:35.239
while Laurie does fight back, Loomis is ultimately the one
2240
01:48:35.260 --> 01:48:38.640
who intervenes and saves the day. And that her dependence
2241
01:48:38.699 --> 01:48:42.130
on male rescue, like kind of hurts Lori's empowerment in
2242
01:48:42.170 --> 01:48:47.770
the original. See, I, I disagree though. Because Lori is
2243
01:48:47.829 --> 01:48:52.729
a friggin' 17-year-old babysitter who's just living in suburbia, who's
2244
01:48:52.770 --> 01:48:55.149
never had to be in a fight, let alone— probably never
2245
01:48:55.170 --> 01:48:56.949
had to be in an argument, let alone a fight.
2246
01:48:57.329 --> 01:49:01.520
And she manages to friggin' not die for, like, six
2247
01:49:01.579 --> 01:49:03.819
attempts on her life while protecting the kids. I think
2248
01:49:03.840 --> 01:49:04.899
she is a badass.
2249
01:49:04.920 --> 01:49:06.920
Let's take a count, because she stabs him with a
2250
01:49:06.960 --> 01:49:10.220
knitting needle. She stabs him again with the clothes hanger.
2251
01:49:10.460 --> 01:49:11.340
Yes.
2252
01:49:11.979 --> 01:49:15.380
I feel like she gets one more on him when
2253
01:49:15.420 --> 01:49:18.310
she— or she— Turns around with the knife and gets him
2254
01:49:18.350 --> 01:49:21.609
down the stairs, doesn't she? So she, like, really, for
2255
01:49:21.989 --> 01:49:24.850
a kid, she really holds her own.
2256
01:49:25.069 --> 01:49:28.229
I think that if Lori had died, we would still
2257
01:49:28.329 --> 01:49:30.670
think she was a badass. Because she fought the most
2258
01:49:30.750 --> 01:49:34.710
of anybody other than Pleasence. And Pleasence, so this is
2259
01:49:34.729 --> 01:49:38.970
the other thing. Lori, not only, 17-year-old girl, never had
2260
01:49:38.989 --> 01:49:40.289
to fight in her life, never had to do any
2261
01:49:40.310 --> 01:49:42.850
of these things in her life. And also never ditches
2262
01:49:42.890 --> 01:49:45.890
the kids and never abandons her responsibility to protect them.
2263
01:49:46.390 --> 01:49:48.090
She is a solid person. One of the kids wasn't
2264
01:49:48.130 --> 01:49:49.909
even like technically supposed to be hers.
2265
01:49:50.100 --> 01:49:50.609
No. Yeah.
2266
01:49:50.760 --> 01:49:52.300
She takes care. I forget her name now. The one
2267
01:49:52.340 --> 01:49:53.979
who was all excited to hang out with Tommy Doyle.
2268
01:49:54.020 --> 01:49:57.920
But the girl Annie was babysitting down the street. But
2269
01:49:58.560 --> 01:50:00.859
not only that, the only person who's able to step
2270
01:50:00.920 --> 01:50:02.609
up and do more than she did is the guy
2271
01:50:02.649 --> 01:50:06.170
who is literally the only person prepared to fight Michael.
2272
01:50:06.270 --> 01:50:06.449
Yeah.
2273
01:50:06.569 --> 01:50:11.550
Who also fails to kill Michael. I just don't think
2274
01:50:11.869 --> 01:50:15.890
that it's fair to pick on her or pick on
2275
01:50:15.909 --> 01:50:19.149
the writers as if they didn't give her enough. They
2276
01:50:19.220 --> 01:50:22.260
literally made her three-dimensional in every way. They made her
2277
01:50:22.340 --> 01:50:26.000
not picture perfect, but they made her a very good person.
2278
01:50:26.279 --> 01:50:26.560
Yeah.
2279
01:50:26.739 --> 01:50:30.659
And I love that. That always drives me crazy. How
2280
01:50:30.699 --> 01:50:33.859
would Loomis... Take away from it. I mean, he was literally,
2281
01:50:34.439 --> 01:50:37.420
if anything, it was the failure of all of the
2282
01:50:37.579 --> 01:50:40.590
male authority figures that put all of them in danger
2283
01:50:40.630 --> 01:50:41.670
in the first place. Oh, yeah.
2284
01:50:41.970 --> 01:50:46.789
Because Loomis was constantly like from the get go. was
2285
01:50:46.949 --> 01:50:49.670
calling into Haddonfield every five minutes when he found a payphone.
2286
01:50:49.689 --> 01:50:52.119
Lock your town down. Have people sweeping the streets. Do it.
2287
01:50:52.409 --> 01:50:54.670
And that's because we just watched Halloween 2 last night.
2288
01:50:54.810 --> 01:50:55.069
Yeah.
2289
01:50:55.170 --> 01:50:57.710
Or two nights ago for fun. We were just watching
2290
01:50:57.750 --> 01:51:01.489
it because it's Halloween 2. And they take him dead serious,
2291
01:51:01.560 --> 01:51:03.899
pardon the pun, in the second one. He's saying like,
2292
01:51:04.220 --> 01:51:06.300
because they think they killed Michael. And then he's just like,
2293
01:51:06.819 --> 01:51:09.960
we can't be sure this is him. Have them check
2294
01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:13.390
every backyard, every house, everywhere in the area. Yeah. And
2295
01:51:13.430 --> 01:51:14.529
then he turns to one of the cops and goes,
2296
01:51:14.710 --> 01:51:16.189
bring everybody back out. And he's like, they just went
2297
01:51:16.210 --> 01:51:19.310
back in. He's like, bring them back out. There's no, no, no. Like,
2298
01:51:19.510 --> 01:51:22.500
are we sure? Cause everybody's it. No, we're in it.
2299
01:51:22.630 --> 01:51:25.210
Like it's going to happen. So yeah, no. So I'm
2300
01:51:25.229 --> 01:51:27.590
just saying like, if anything, Lori is managing to hold
2301
01:51:27.630 --> 01:51:30.010
her own very well in a situation she should never
2302
01:51:30.069 --> 01:51:32.720
have to hold her own in, in that moment, being
2303
01:51:32.760 --> 01:51:35.020
a 17 year old babysitter on Halloween night on a
2304
01:51:35.039 --> 01:51:37.260
night that's literally just kids running around and eating candy
2305
01:51:37.279 --> 01:51:39.920
and watching TV. And you know, so I think she's
2306
01:51:40.079 --> 01:51:40.939
such a badass.
2307
01:51:41.220 --> 01:51:41.340
Yeah.
2308
01:51:42.329 --> 01:51:45.329
You know, I really, really do, because she never once
2309
01:51:45.750 --> 01:51:49.289
cowers and just goes, well, he's got me.
2310
01:51:49.949 --> 01:51:50.149
Yeah.
2311
01:51:50.649 --> 01:51:51.529
She keeps going.
2312
01:51:51.550 --> 01:51:54.500
Yeah, it's just immediately to the, here's the next stage
2313
01:51:54.539 --> 01:51:55.140
of survival.
2314
01:51:55.300 --> 01:51:56.680
Yeah, well, and it's not like she just hides and
2315
01:51:56.699 --> 01:51:58.579
then hides again and hides again. She falls down the stairs.
2316
01:51:58.659 --> 01:52:01.819
I mean, she gets, you know, she gets stabbed in
2317
01:52:01.840 --> 01:52:02.880
the shoulder, you know.
2318
01:52:02.899 --> 01:52:06.380
She falls down and she gets knocked over and yeah.
2319
01:52:06.909 --> 01:52:10.479
So I don't think it diminishes at all her power
2320
01:52:10.739 --> 01:52:13.840
of being the final girl in the film. Oh, no.
2321
01:52:13.979 --> 01:52:16.680
But I will say, I mean, they do give her
2322
01:52:16.800 --> 01:52:20.800
back that reign in H2O. They let her absolutely whoop
2323
01:52:20.859 --> 01:52:25.159
Myers with nobody's help. And I do appreciate that, as
2324
01:52:25.220 --> 01:52:26.859
did my mother in the 90s.
2325
01:52:28.619 --> 01:52:29.260
As did we all.
2326
01:52:29.539 --> 01:52:34.510
I mean, who wouldn't? So, but no, I agree. Laurie's great.
2327
01:52:34.529 --> 01:52:36.350
So this is something I want to ask you, though, also.
2328
01:52:37.340 --> 01:52:38.560
You were a babysitter.
2329
01:52:39.159 --> 01:52:39.279
Yeah.
2330
01:52:58.010 --> 01:52:59.890
But you would probably think more about the fact that
2331
01:52:59.930 --> 01:53:03.149
it's full of babysitters. Yes. So like as a babysitter,
2332
01:53:03.270 --> 01:53:06.739
like what do you have any perspectives, interesting perspectives that
2333
01:53:06.760 --> 01:53:09.960
pop up on this? Whether it's, you know, dealing with
2334
01:53:10.020 --> 01:53:12.399
kids who are easily scared or dealing with yourself being
2335
01:53:12.439 --> 01:53:15.069
scared in a new place or even like having to
2336
01:53:16.149 --> 01:53:18.770
step up to do like a sitting gig around a holiday.
2337
01:53:18.829 --> 01:53:20.329
So you're like missing out on things you want to
2338
01:53:20.369 --> 01:53:21.409
do like anything like that.
2339
01:53:22.260 --> 01:53:26.899
Well, I'm lucky because most of my babysitting was done
2340
01:53:27.039 --> 01:53:31.380
for an immediate next door neighbor. Yeah. So even like
2341
01:53:31.539 --> 01:53:33.739
even if it was like an emergency and they were like, oh,
2342
01:53:33.760 --> 01:53:37.020
my God, something happened. Can you watch the kid? It
2343
01:53:37.079 --> 01:53:39.300
was still pretty easy for me to be like, yeah,
2344
01:53:39.319 --> 01:53:42.840
because if I like really need extra help, mom's right
2345
01:53:42.880 --> 01:53:44.859
next door or, you know, like I know all the
2346
01:53:44.899 --> 01:53:47.119
other neighbors. So I could go, you know, two doors
2347
01:53:47.180 --> 01:53:49.520
down and I can go talk to the Cosby's or whatever.
2348
01:53:50.310 --> 01:53:51.729
So that made it a lot easier.
2349
01:53:51.750 --> 01:53:57.750
They were the Huxtables. You get that joke? The family
2350
01:53:57.789 --> 01:54:00.310
in the Cosby show? The families were the Huxtables. Sorry,
2351
01:54:00.329 --> 01:54:02.029
because you said the Cosby, so I said the Huxtables,
2352
01:54:02.060 --> 01:54:02.260
you mean.
2353
01:54:03.310 --> 01:54:10.939
No, took me a second. So that did make it
2354
01:54:10.979 --> 01:54:14.859
a lot easier. But when that family moved, and so
2355
01:54:15.039 --> 01:54:17.550
the kid that I was babysitting was now living like 10,
2356
01:54:17.529 --> 01:54:24.140
15 minutes away. That did kind of change the whole
2357
01:54:24.199 --> 01:54:27.600
way I had to approach babysitting because now it wasn't like, oh,
2358
01:54:27.640 --> 01:54:30.020
I can just hop over there and if I need help,
2359
01:54:30.729 --> 01:54:32.189
I can go get it next door. It was like,
2360
01:54:32.229 --> 01:54:37.489
I've got to actually be prepared. Now, luckily, growing up
2361
01:54:37.569 --> 01:54:40.770
so sheltered, I had never seen Halloween. I'd never seen slashers.
2362
01:54:40.949 --> 01:54:43.729
So as soon as the parents left, I wasn't then
2363
01:54:43.810 --> 01:54:46.010
terrified of a masked killer coming to the door.
2364
01:54:46.090 --> 01:54:48.600
You need to show you when a stranger calls. That's
2365
01:54:48.659 --> 01:54:52.500
a babysitter horror movie too. And one of the early
2366
01:54:52.500 --> 01:54:57.149
1971 or something. It's good. They literally took the calls
2367
01:54:57.189 --> 01:54:58.949
coming from inside your house urban legend and put it
2368
01:54:58.989 --> 01:55:00.750
in the movie, but it's not the whole movie.
2369
01:55:01.189 --> 01:55:01.609
Oh, okay.
2370
01:55:01.750 --> 01:55:03.109
It's like the first 20 minutes or something.
2371
01:55:03.949 --> 01:55:06.529
Yeah. We'll have to check that out. But the thing
2372
01:55:06.569 --> 01:55:10.020
I can most relate to is keeping a kid occupied
2373
01:55:10.039 --> 01:55:14.479
when they're like upset or scared or they want anything
2374
01:55:14.619 --> 01:55:18.449
other than to be around you. Cause that's, that's, I'm
2375
01:55:18.569 --> 01:55:22.850
spoiled now that I'm babysitting pretty much exclusively my nieces
2376
01:55:22.869 --> 01:55:26.449
and nephews, and they could care less if their parents
2377
01:55:26.489 --> 01:55:26.829
come back.
2378
01:55:27.750 --> 01:55:30.890
Jeez. So what you're saying is your siblings suck. Okay,
2379
01:55:31.090 --> 01:55:31.909
you got that.
2380
01:55:31.970 --> 01:55:33.850
We'll put that on the record. I'm the fun auntie,
2381
01:55:33.949 --> 01:55:35.970
so they're like, oh, we want to stay with you forever.
2382
01:55:37.890 --> 01:55:42.289
But when you're babysitting a neighbor's kids or someone else's kids,
2383
01:55:42.569 --> 01:55:45.569
very often you are the last person that child wants
2384
01:55:45.609 --> 01:55:49.029
to see. And so you have to kind of Be
2385
01:55:49.569 --> 01:55:53.210
ready to be the last thing they want to see.
2386
01:55:53.750 --> 01:55:56.229
Every suggestion that you come up with is like the
2387
01:55:56.310 --> 01:56:00.390
worst idea ever. And you could even be suggesting like, hey,
2388
01:56:00.409 --> 01:56:03.439
let's watch, you know, let's watch Josie and the Pussycats again.
2389
01:56:03.739 --> 01:56:06.699
We watched that last time. You loved it last time.
2390
01:56:07.300 --> 01:56:08.300
Yeah, that was last time.
2391
01:56:08.420 --> 01:56:10.399
That was last time. This time it's something else.
2392
01:56:10.420 --> 01:56:11.460
Things have changed.
2393
01:56:12.109 --> 01:56:15.920
So I guess to sum up, I think that Tommy
2394
01:56:15.939 --> 01:56:21.060
Doyle was the perfect child. Lori seemed like she had
2395
01:56:21.180 --> 01:56:24.819
a delightful time babysitting him up until the whole boogeyman
2396
01:56:24.859 --> 01:56:25.439
thing happened.
2397
01:56:25.479 --> 01:56:31.550
Whoops, yeah. You know what happens. So, okay. So as
2398
01:56:31.590 --> 01:56:37.069
far as babysitters go, before The Killer, how would you
2399
01:56:37.130 --> 01:56:38.850
rate Annie as a babysitter?
2400
01:56:39.989 --> 01:56:47.229
Oh. Yeah. Annie, on a scale of one to five, oh,
2401
01:56:47.550 --> 01:56:49.189
I would say a three.
2402
01:56:49.210 --> 01:56:53.350
I don't think that's that mean. I mean, she's not awful.
2403
01:56:53.390 --> 01:56:55.409
She didn't hate the little kid. But she was like,
2404
01:56:55.840 --> 01:56:58.140
mostly like, you go over there. I'm going over here.
2405
01:56:58.920 --> 01:57:01.260
And the thing that really seals it for me, though,
2406
01:57:01.380 --> 01:57:08.000
is dropping off, because this is pre-cell phones. This would
2407
01:57:08.039 --> 01:57:11.380
be totally different in the modern era, but pre-cell phones,
2408
01:57:12.000 --> 01:57:16.130
dropping off the kid that you're taking care of with
2409
01:57:16.250 --> 01:57:22.329
someone else without calling the parents to warn them where
2410
01:57:22.409 --> 01:57:25.670
the kid is going to be, that's pretty egregious.
2411
01:57:26.189 --> 01:57:30.640
Down the street with the most responsible person, other babysitter
2412
01:57:30.680 --> 01:57:31.020
you know?
2413
01:57:31.079 --> 01:57:33.850
Yeah, but you still got to tell them though. You
2414
01:57:33.869 --> 01:57:35.470
still got to tell him like, hey, I'm leaving your
2415
01:57:35.510 --> 01:57:37.149
kid with Lori and then they'll be fine.
2416
01:57:37.170 --> 01:57:39.789
But her plan was to get the kid back after she,
2417
01:57:39.949 --> 01:57:42.189
you know, met with her boyfriend for a minute.
2418
01:57:42.470 --> 01:57:42.750
Yeah.
2419
01:57:42.770 --> 01:57:44.829
And she did sell it to the little girl because
2420
01:57:44.850 --> 01:57:46.250
she was like, what if I could have, what if
2421
01:57:46.270 --> 01:57:48.649
you could watch this scary movie with Tommy Doyle? Would
2422
01:57:48.689 --> 01:57:51.600
that make you happy? And she was like, yeah. Which
2423
01:57:51.640 --> 01:57:53.199
made me think that that was not the first time,
2424
01:57:53.220 --> 01:57:54.880
by the way. But she was like, yeah, because it
2425
01:57:54.899 --> 01:57:56.920
didn't sound like out of the realm of possibility. Like,
2426
01:57:56.939 --> 01:57:58.619
what if we could go watch it with Tommy Doyle?
2427
01:57:58.840 --> 01:58:01.380
She's like, yeah. So I don't know.
2428
01:58:01.560 --> 01:58:05.090
But I'm just thinking from a From a babysitter's point
2429
01:58:05.109 --> 01:58:08.210
of view, you have to keep the parents abreast of
2430
01:58:08.270 --> 01:58:11.640
what's happening with their kid. Even if you're 100% certain
2431
01:58:11.680 --> 01:58:12.760
they'd be fine with it.
2432
01:58:12.880 --> 01:58:14.060
But how would she get a hold of them?
2433
01:58:14.899 --> 01:58:16.180
People have home phones.
2434
01:58:16.560 --> 01:58:16.899
So, she.
2435
01:58:17.039 --> 01:58:19.659
I mean, I'm assuming... I'm assuming the parents are, like,
2436
01:58:19.699 --> 01:58:20.939
at a house party or something.
2437
01:58:21.880 --> 01:58:23.600
Or they could be at a restaurant. They could be
2438
01:58:23.619 --> 01:58:24.899
at a bar. They could be at a movie.
2439
01:58:24.920 --> 01:58:29.399
But I'm remembering... Because, like, I... Well... I was starting
2440
01:58:29.439 --> 01:58:32.750
to babysit right as cell phones were becoming more and
2441
01:58:32.789 --> 01:58:37.609
more popular. But I can remember the parents would give
2442
01:58:37.649 --> 01:58:41.170
me an itinerary of we're going this place first. Here's
2443
01:58:41.210 --> 01:58:43.850
their phone number. We're going this place next. Here's their
2444
01:58:43.890 --> 01:58:47.109
phone number. So like at any stage, you can get
2445
01:58:47.130 --> 01:58:47.949
a hold of them.
2446
01:58:47.970 --> 01:58:50.390
So I'm laughing at you, not because of that, but
2447
01:58:50.430 --> 01:58:53.439
because I remember that, except it was the itinerary given
2448
01:58:53.449 --> 01:58:57.170
to me because I babysat myself. So I remember that
2449
01:58:57.289 --> 01:58:59.130
all the numbers being put on the fridge, but they
2450
01:58:59.149 --> 01:59:01.670
were for me of where I could reach my mom. Like,
2451
01:59:01.689 --> 01:59:04.689
you know, here's the, here's the restaurant. And then after that,
2452
01:59:04.710 --> 01:59:06.670
we're going to the, you know, to Bow Winkles or
2453
01:59:06.689 --> 01:59:08.569
whatever the hell they used to go to back then. Yeah.
2454
01:59:08.590 --> 01:59:10.189
We're going there. So it had the numbers for both.
2455
01:59:10.770 --> 01:59:13.670
And then, you know, here's the fire department.
2456
01:59:13.729 --> 01:59:15.770
Yeah. Here's the hospital. And yeah.
2457
01:59:15.949 --> 01:59:16.229
Yeah.
2458
01:59:16.270 --> 01:59:18.310
So that's why I was laughing because I was like, yeah,
2459
01:59:18.350 --> 01:59:20.449
that was just what I got on a Friday night.
2460
01:59:20.630 --> 01:59:22.449
I mean, once I was like 12 or. Oh, yeah.
2461
01:59:22.489 --> 01:59:22.640
Yeah.
2462
01:59:23.340 --> 01:59:25.000
No, no, no. I was much younger than that. I
2463
01:59:25.020 --> 01:59:27.319
don't want to throw my mom under the bus. I
2464
01:59:27.359 --> 01:59:31.239
was a very smart little kid. She did not lightly
2465
01:59:31.619 --> 01:59:33.800
leave me by myself. It just became obvious I could
2466
01:59:33.840 --> 01:59:36.829
handle it. And I liked being alone because I could
2467
01:59:36.869 --> 01:59:40.390
watch TV. And I think I've told the story on
2468
01:59:40.430 --> 01:59:46.510
the show about how the move. That I was taught
2469
01:59:46.789 --> 01:59:50.659
you can order a pizza or Chinese food. But you
2470
01:59:50.800 --> 01:59:53.100
open the door with the money in hand and then you,
2471
01:59:53.300 --> 01:59:55.159
and then right before you hand them the money, you
2472
01:59:55.399 --> 01:59:57.720
try and go and you turn out and go, mom,
2473
01:59:57.779 --> 02:00:00.439
Chinese foods here. And they turn and go, thank you
2474
02:00:00.500 --> 02:00:01.520
so much. Keep the change.
2475
02:00:02.279 --> 02:00:02.460
Yep.
2476
02:00:03.039 --> 02:00:05.659
Every time. Cause that was, that was the, the, the
2477
02:00:05.720 --> 02:00:08.659
tip I got for babysitting myself was the pizza or
2478
02:00:08.680 --> 02:00:11.270
the Chinese food. Cause when I was younger, that was
2479
02:00:11.329 --> 02:00:13.930
a treat we really didn't afford very often. So anyway.
2480
02:00:13.949 --> 02:00:14.270
Yeah.
2481
02:00:15.569 --> 02:00:19.359
But okay, so Annie gets a three. I'm assuming, not
2482
02:00:19.439 --> 02:00:21.979
including the psycho killer stuff, I'm assuming that you would
2483
02:00:22.000 --> 02:00:24.680
give Laurie a five. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah.
2484
02:00:25.319 --> 02:00:30.739
Goat babysitter? Yeah, goat babysitter. Absolutely the goat. Trying to
2485
02:00:30.779 --> 02:00:34.920
think if in cinema I've seen any better babysitters. And
2486
02:00:34.939 --> 02:00:38.079
the only one I can think of is the babysitter
2487
02:00:38.199 --> 02:00:42.810
in The Incredibles. And that's because Jack-Jack is literally a
2488
02:00:42.869 --> 02:00:45.510
superhero baby. And so she went through a lot.
2489
02:00:46.109 --> 02:00:50.149
I would go with The Adventures in Babysitting Babysitter. But
2490
02:00:50.170 --> 02:00:55.250
that's because I just like that movie a lot. So, well,
2491
02:00:55.350 --> 02:00:59.739
we've made some really great points, but I want everybody
2492
02:00:59.760 --> 02:01:01.920
to know that Rachel told me that after this break,
2493
02:01:01.939 --> 02:01:04.520
she's going to blow your minds with the most fascinating
2494
02:01:04.560 --> 02:01:07.340
take on Halloween you've ever heard in your life. This
2495
02:01:07.380 --> 02:01:08.970
is a move I usually just do to Michelle on
2496
02:01:09.010 --> 02:01:10.989
Monthly Spooky, but I'm throwing it to you this time.
2497
02:01:11.789 --> 02:01:15.149
So be scared because you'll never think of Not only
2498
02:01:15.229 --> 02:01:18.789
the movie Halloween, but the Halloween season and feature films
2499
02:01:18.850 --> 02:01:21.670
as a whole. Ever again. It'll all be changed.
2500
02:01:22.029 --> 02:01:29.779
Right after. I want to tell you one of the
2501
02:01:29.840 --> 02:01:34.119
things I think makes Michael Myers so scary.
2502
02:01:34.560 --> 02:01:36.140
I'm listening. Okay.
2503
02:01:36.340 --> 02:01:41.270
So, but what, what would you say Michael Myers and
2504
02:01:41.310 --> 02:01:45.670
Jason Voorhees and the Terminator would All have in common.
2505
02:01:46.470 --> 02:01:53.390
Big, uh, I mean, uh, relatively quiet. Yeah. Relatively silent. Yeah. Um,
2506
02:01:53.569 --> 02:01:57.569
relatively unstoppable. Yeah. Uh.
2507
02:01:59.020 --> 02:02:02.220
What kind of pace would you say they have?
2508
02:02:02.239 --> 02:02:06.420
Oh, oh, yeah, they're relatively slow. I mean, especially if
2509
02:02:06.479 --> 02:02:09.279
we're only talking about Terminator 1, which is pretty, in
2510
02:02:09.300 --> 02:02:10.920
my opinion, pretty much a sci-fi horror film.
2511
02:02:11.159 --> 02:02:11.979
It is.
2512
02:02:12.500 --> 02:02:15.520
Then, yeah, yeah, they definitely all have a very deliberate pace.
2513
02:02:15.840 --> 02:02:19.920
Yeah, deliberate's a very good word for it. So that's definitely,
2514
02:02:19.939 --> 02:02:26.529
I see that connection between all of them. And watching
2515
02:02:26.569 --> 02:02:31.399
this movie made me think again. about there's been a
2516
02:02:31.420 --> 02:02:35.140
lot of studies into early human hunting techniques.
2517
02:02:35.619 --> 02:02:38.569
Okay, okay. I'm very curious. And a.
2518
02:02:40.409 --> 02:02:46.449
Lot of the studies have been looking at existing tribes
2519
02:02:47.430 --> 02:02:53.140
that are still relatively uncontacted in how they hunt. And
2520
02:02:53.619 --> 02:02:57.220
in general, it's agreed that they are persistence hunters.
2521
02:02:57.689 --> 02:03:00.319
Yes. Persistence is everything in hunting.
2522
02:03:00.460 --> 02:03:00.699
Yeah.
2523
02:03:00.840 --> 02:03:06.020
So you don't overpower your prey. You just follow it.
2524
02:03:06.699 --> 02:03:11.220
And what's great is humans have amazing endurance compared to
2525
02:03:11.300 --> 02:03:15.100
other animals. We're not very fast, but boy, do we
2526
02:03:15.140 --> 02:03:15.640
keep going.
2527
02:03:15.819 --> 02:03:16.930
It's because of our brains.
2528
02:03:17.310 --> 02:03:18.229
It's because of our brains.
2529
02:03:18.239 --> 02:03:21.789
Yeah, yeah. We understand how desperate we are, so we push.
2530
02:03:22.229 --> 02:03:24.109
And it has to do with our bodies, too. Like,
2531
02:03:24.149 --> 02:03:29.199
being bipedal means that... The way we have to move
2532
02:03:29.359 --> 02:03:32.840
our locomotion, it just makes it all weird. So walking
2533
02:03:33.000 --> 02:03:36.100
is way better than running. And we can keep walking
2534
02:03:36.310 --> 02:03:39.930
a lot longer than, say, a gazelle could keep walking.
2535
02:03:40.170 --> 02:03:42.010
That's really interesting. I hadn't thought about that. That totally
2536
02:03:42.029 --> 02:03:42.909
makes sense.
2537
02:03:43.069 --> 02:03:46.729
So a lot of early human hunting techniques would come
2538
02:03:46.789 --> 02:03:51.750
down to just follow the prey until it collapses of exhaustion.
2539
02:03:52.270 --> 02:03:54.380
Well, and a lot of that prey was very, very large.
2540
02:03:54.399 --> 02:03:55.439
Very large. Like the woolly mammoth.
2541
02:03:55.500 --> 02:03:55.680
Yeah.
2542
02:03:55.960 --> 02:03:58.340
So it will get exhausted because it has to carry
2543
02:03:58.380 --> 02:03:59.319
that much weight around.
2544
02:03:59.539 --> 02:03:59.939
Exactly.
2545
02:03:59.979 --> 02:04:02.680
You don't want to try and overpower that. You're going
2546
02:04:02.699 --> 02:04:04.899
to get yourself killed. But if you wait until it's
2547
02:04:04.939 --> 02:04:06.920
already down. Okay.
2548
02:04:07.159 --> 02:04:08.699
I like this. I like where this is going.
2549
02:04:08.939 --> 02:04:13.579
So think about what happens to Laurie in the movie.
2550
02:04:14.100 --> 02:04:18.340
She runs and she trips and Michael's still following. And
2551
02:04:18.420 --> 02:04:21.140
she'll get around the corner and she'll put some distance
2552
02:04:21.180 --> 02:04:25.789
between herself and But we know that he's still just
2553
02:04:26.090 --> 02:04:29.329
going and he's not running. He's just walking.
2554
02:04:29.510 --> 02:04:29.710
Yeah.
2555
02:04:29.890 --> 02:04:33.149
But he'll show up. And that's, I think, one of
2556
02:04:33.189 --> 02:04:36.909
the things that those three characters, but a lot of
2557
02:04:36.970 --> 02:04:41.210
modern horror has really tapped into kind of, I'm going
2558
02:04:41.250 --> 02:04:43.170
to say a primal fear of ours.
2559
02:04:43.329 --> 02:04:43.569
Yeah.
2560
02:04:44.109 --> 02:04:47.789
Is kind of this recognition that if there is something
2561
02:04:47.970 --> 02:04:53.640
that can out-pursue us... That's a bad motherfucker right there.
2562
02:04:54.199 --> 02:05:00.430
Well, I'll see your persistence hunting lizard brain and raise
2563
02:05:00.470 --> 02:05:03.710
you the fear of the uncanny.
2564
02:05:04.510 --> 02:05:05.130
Oh, yeah.
2565
02:05:05.949 --> 02:05:13.140
Mask, living tissue over metal endoskeleton. Yeah. They're not quite human.
2566
02:05:13.779 --> 02:05:13.960
Yeah.
2567
02:05:14.479 --> 02:05:19.479
And we have a very instilled fear of this looks
2568
02:05:19.539 --> 02:05:23.039
pretty human, but it also is not human enough. We,
2569
02:05:23.199 --> 02:05:26.659
for whatever reason, we really, I mean, you can feel
2570
02:05:26.689 --> 02:05:28.319
it when you look at like a painting that's not
2571
02:05:28.399 --> 02:05:32.090
quite right or a mask that's not quite a person's face.
2572
02:05:32.390 --> 02:05:35.829
We get this, this terror, like, like, uh, like we've
2573
02:05:35.869 --> 02:05:38.989
seen things trying to be us, which is a whole
2574
02:05:39.050 --> 02:05:40.130
other can of fear.
2575
02:05:40.789 --> 02:05:44.470
Oh, no, it's definitely something else. And something I think
2576
02:05:44.529 --> 02:05:48.329
about a lot, I mean, early human evolution, you've, heard
2577
02:05:48.350 --> 02:05:53.010
me go on about it. Um, but yeah, it's, I
2578
02:05:53.050 --> 02:05:58.960
think it's that, um, yeah, that deep primal fear. Uh,
2579
02:06:00.199 --> 02:06:03.510
and that's why I love horror so much is because it,
2580
02:06:03.840 --> 02:06:06.899
it gives us a place where it's safe to explore that.
2581
02:06:07.840 --> 02:06:09.739
Uh, well, I mean, I, I've always agreed with that.
2582
02:06:09.760 --> 02:06:12.600
It's cathartic. It is to be able to be afraid
2583
02:06:12.649 --> 02:06:15.810
in a safe way because that's part of being alive.
2584
02:06:15.869 --> 02:06:18.380
I mean, That was a line in the original Monster
2585
02:06:18.399 --> 02:06:20.840
Vision theme song that Joe Bob performed. Joe Bob Briggs
2586
02:06:20.880 --> 02:06:25.899
performed is, seeing people die helps you feel alive. That
2587
02:06:25.920 --> 02:06:30.970
gives you monster vision. So, no, I agree. That deliberateness
2588
02:06:31.170 --> 02:06:34.909
is scary and also frustrating. This idea that it just
2589
02:06:34.930 --> 02:06:38.350
keeps coming. It's also the Graboids hunted. They would wait.
2590
02:06:38.869 --> 02:06:40.729
They would be able to wait longer than people could
2591
02:06:40.760 --> 02:06:42.779
stand to because of their slow metabolisms.
2592
02:06:42.920 --> 02:06:43.319
Exactly.
2593
02:06:43.340 --> 02:06:47.819
Just swim around while you died waiting to escape. So, yeah, no,
2594
02:06:47.840 --> 02:06:49.970
I think that's a great reason why Michael's scary. And
2595
02:06:50.010 --> 02:06:52.850
I stand by also because you just don't know anything
2596
02:06:52.909 --> 02:06:55.729
about him, really. You don't know what motivates him. And
2597
02:06:55.770 --> 02:06:59.760
that was my biggest complaint with Rob Zombie's Halloween story. was,
2598
02:07:00.039 --> 02:07:00.960
you've never seen it, I don't think.
2599
02:07:01.199 --> 02:07:03.300
No, I have. And I regret every moment of it.
2600
02:07:03.319 --> 02:07:05.529
Man, you're hateful on that. I mean, I didn't love it.
2601
02:07:05.619 --> 02:07:06.859
I saw it at the drive-in in the middle of
2602
02:07:06.899 --> 02:07:08.600
a thunderstorm and I still didn't think it was very good.
2603
02:07:08.619 --> 02:07:12.729
I thought it was fine. But like, Rob Zombie wanted
2604
02:07:12.750 --> 02:07:15.409
to make a Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie, but nobody will
2605
02:07:15.449 --> 02:07:17.369
ever let him, which is so weird. They've let so
2606
02:07:17.409 --> 02:07:20.029
many random French guys make Texas Chainsaw Massacre movies at
2607
02:07:20.050 --> 02:07:22.329
this point. Why not just hand it to Rob Zombie once?
2608
02:07:22.350 --> 02:07:24.670
I mean, he's already made Texas Chainsaw like eight times.
2609
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But I didn't like There was so much Michael backstory.
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I just didn't find him scary when I saw him.
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02:07:33.680 --> 02:07:35.979
It was the part where he like starts hitting the
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02:07:36.039 --> 02:07:39.079
kid with like a hockey stick or something. He's like
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02:07:39.100 --> 02:07:40.520
beating himself. I was like, I'm not scared by this.
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02:07:40.649 --> 02:07:43.390
I'm sorry. Like that doesn't scare me like that. He
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02:07:43.430 --> 02:07:45.130
had a bad home life and it made him like
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02:07:45.989 --> 02:07:48.770
that doesn't scare me in this context where then he's
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going to be the shape.
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02:07:50.180 --> 02:07:50.560
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:07:50.189 --> 02:07:51.590
That's where it doesn't work. If he was going to
2620
02:07:51.609 --> 02:07:54.819
be any other kind of psycho killer, it would probably work. Yeah.
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02:07:55.039 --> 02:07:57.680
But not The Shape, because The Shape is just, yeah, he's,
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02:07:57.720 --> 02:07:58.960
I mean, he's a land shark.
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02:07:59.239 --> 02:07:59.439
Yeah.
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02:07:59.479 --> 02:08:00.000
You know, that's.
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02:08:00.460 --> 02:08:05.090
Well, even the name, The Shape, that tells you everything
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02:08:05.130 --> 02:08:10.829
you need to know. It being nondescript. is what makes
2627
02:08:10.909 --> 02:08:11.869
it so threatening.
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02:08:12.109 --> 02:08:15.510
Yeah. Well, that's why the mask, I mean, the mask is, yes,
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02:08:15.989 --> 02:08:19.909
a painted white Bill Shatner mask, William Shatner mask from
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02:08:19.949 --> 02:08:23.220
Star Trek, because there were a few of those masks
2631
02:08:23.260 --> 02:08:25.640
that were around back then from Don Post Studios. One
2632
02:08:25.659 --> 02:08:27.619
was Bill Shatner. One was Leonard Nimoy as Spock.
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02:08:28.020 --> 02:08:28.220
Yeah.
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02:08:28.600 --> 02:08:31.079
And Tommy Lee Wallace, the production designer and longtime friend
2635
02:08:31.119 --> 02:08:33.680
of John Carpenter. They went to film school together. He
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02:08:33.720 --> 02:08:35.909
took the mask and changed the shape of the eyes,
2637
02:08:36.329 --> 02:08:39.770
painted it a bit, did the hair black and, with
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02:08:40.050 --> 02:08:42.489
spray paint. He did a whole bit to it because
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02:08:42.510 --> 02:08:46.590
they just wanted this nondescript face that gave you so little,
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02:08:46.810 --> 02:08:51.670
you know, no emotion, no anything. And it worked, you know,
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02:08:51.710 --> 02:08:55.229
very shockingly well, honestly, bizarrely well that it worked so well.
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02:08:55.850 --> 02:08:58.810
So that's, that's yet another element of, yeah, he's the shape.
2643
02:08:58.850 --> 02:09:00.840
And that's what they referred to him as on the set.
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02:09:00.899 --> 02:09:02.300
They always called him the shape. They didn't call him
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02:09:02.319 --> 02:09:05.560
Michael Myers. They called him the shape because he, He's
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02:09:05.600 --> 02:09:08.699
the shape. But it's funny because that terminology is never
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02:09:08.939 --> 02:09:11.520
used in the actual movie. It's in the credits. It's
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02:09:11.579 --> 02:09:13.779
whenever they're talking about it. It's in the screenplays. They
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02:09:13.800 --> 02:09:17.060
say the shape is looming in the whatever. And that's
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02:09:17.159 --> 02:09:20.539
just John Carpenter, I think, being flowery with his language,
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02:09:20.600 --> 02:09:23.039
which is fine. I mean, like you do. There's a
2652
02:09:23.100 --> 02:09:25.829
trick when you're writing screenplays for other people. You don't
2653
02:09:25.869 --> 02:09:29.590
want to write a novel when you're writing a screenplay
2654
02:09:29.609 --> 02:09:32.979
for somebody else. But you can't, but you do want
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02:09:33.199 --> 02:09:36.500
to have enough descriptors to give them a visualization. Cause
2656
02:09:36.520 --> 02:09:37.899
you've got to imagine if you're writing a screenplay for
2657
02:09:37.920 --> 02:09:40.770
somebody other than yourself, um, you have to imagine that
2658
02:09:40.789 --> 02:09:42.689
they are a director who's reading this or a producer
2659
02:09:42.710 --> 02:09:44.449
who's going to hire a director and they need to
2660
02:09:44.470 --> 02:09:45.949
be able to visualize it, but you don't want them
2661
02:09:45.989 --> 02:09:48.229
to feel like you are directing it for them.
2662
02:09:48.609 --> 02:09:48.729
Right.
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02:09:48.770 --> 02:09:50.250
So you don't want, you don't want it to always
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02:09:50.270 --> 02:09:53.439
say like the camera pan dollies in on the dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.
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02:09:53.789 --> 02:09:57.010
Unless the camera dollying in is for a specific payoff,
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02:09:57.390 --> 02:10:00.069
like the camera dollies in to reveal the dead body.
2667
02:10:00.109 --> 02:10:02.010
It's like, okay, that has to be that way or
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02:10:02.050 --> 02:10:04.970
it doesn't work. Right, right. You're describing a scene that
2669
02:10:05.010 --> 02:10:07.710
has no dialogue, but like overall, you don't want to
2670
02:10:07.750 --> 02:10:09.890
say like, you know, we go over the shoulder to
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02:10:09.970 --> 02:10:12.250
see the, you know, this person talking about, no, that's
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02:10:12.289 --> 02:10:14.750
the director's job. They pick those things. But, you know,
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02:10:14.770 --> 02:10:16.770
a little thing in there, like the shape is looming,
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02:10:16.829 --> 02:10:19.210
the whatever, that can actually get into your subconscious a
2675
02:10:19.229 --> 02:10:20.409
little bit when you're reading it too.
2676
02:10:20.430 --> 02:10:20.510
Yeah.
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02:10:20.989 --> 02:10:23.529
So I've always respected that and like the idea that
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02:10:23.569 --> 02:10:25.550
they call him, they only call him the shape. Yeah.
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02:10:25.670 --> 02:10:28.149
Because that is often all he is depicted as is
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02:10:28.189 --> 02:10:31.760
a shape. So, yeah, I think Halloween has earned its reputation.
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02:10:31.770 --> 02:10:34.000
I hope that, you know, everybody that's listening to this,
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02:10:34.039 --> 02:10:39.479
if you've never seen Halloween, which is bizarre, watch it immediately. Right.
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02:10:39.640 --> 02:10:41.680
You know, it's right. This is really getting close to
2684
02:10:41.699 --> 02:10:44.460
Halloween here. So give it a watch. I also want
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02:10:44.479 --> 02:10:48.500
to mention tomorrow, Friday, here on Weekly Spooky, we have
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02:10:48.539 --> 02:10:51.289
a brand new novella. that I think you guys will
2687
02:10:51.329 --> 02:10:59.479
really like. It's about a supernatural, super-powered investigator who has
2688
02:10:59.520 --> 02:11:02.439
to figure out how to stop a portal to the
2689
02:11:02.539 --> 02:11:07.340
other world from opening at exactly midnight on Halloween because
2690
02:11:08.159 --> 02:11:12.319
no one knows exactly what's coming out the other side. Very,
2691
02:11:12.359 --> 02:11:15.920
very fun one. It's a novella that I really enjoyed recording,
2692
02:11:16.340 --> 02:11:19.260
written by my buddy Mike Ishkiwi. So make sure you're
2693
02:11:19.279 --> 02:11:22.640
subscribed on your favorite podcast app for that. And before
2694
02:11:22.659 --> 02:11:24.890
we get out of here, what are we talking about
2695
02:11:25.319 --> 02:11:27.989
next month? Well, next month in November.
2696
02:11:29.090 --> 02:11:31.569
Well, in November, we are going to be talking about
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Baba Hotep.
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02:11:33.369 --> 02:11:37.250
I friggin love Baba Hotep. Starring Bruce Campbell, directed by
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02:11:37.609 --> 02:11:44.060
Don Coscarelli of Phantasm fame. It is a heart-wrenching and
2700
02:11:44.109 --> 02:11:48.649
delightfully absurd concept that still manages to click. in a really,
2701
02:11:48.710 --> 02:11:51.909
really great way. Bruce Campbell and Ozzie Davis just make
2702
02:11:51.949 --> 02:11:55.460
that movie everything to me. It's available, if you've never
2703
02:11:55.520 --> 02:11:59.520
seen it, which is possible but sad, it's available to
2704
02:11:59.579 --> 02:12:02.760
rent on Apple TV and Fandango at home. It's probably
2705
02:12:02.779 --> 02:12:04.359
available on Amazon Prime, but I haven't been able to
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02:12:04.399 --> 02:12:06.180
confirm it, so I don't want to send you down
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02:12:06.199 --> 02:12:10.079
the wrong path. But definitely give Boa Hotep a watch.
2708
02:12:10.100 --> 02:12:13.039
We'll be talking all about it to get into as
2709
02:12:13.119 --> 02:12:17.649
spooky season subsides, we head into cozy season. That's what
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02:12:17.689 --> 02:12:21.270
I've decided I call Thanksgiving season is cozy season.
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02:12:21.329 --> 02:12:21.770
Okay. Yeah.
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02:12:21.869 --> 02:12:24.060
And then Christmas season is the holiday season, you know,
2713
02:12:24.149 --> 02:12:28.300
the cozy, the cold seasons. So, but we'll have something
2714
02:12:28.359 --> 02:12:31.399
fun for you guys to chew on because it's a
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02:12:31.420 --> 02:12:34.859
holiday about eating. So, but yeah, looking forward to talking
2716
02:12:34.880 --> 02:12:36.140
about that one. Do you have anything else you want
2717
02:12:36.159 --> 02:12:39.939
to say before we end our last cutting deep of
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02:12:39.979 --> 02:12:40.920
the Halloween season?
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02:12:41.739 --> 02:12:43.770
Happy Halloween, everybody.
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02:12:43.789 --> 02:12:47.569
That's original. I like it. I liked everybody at the end.
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02:12:48.159 --> 02:12:52.739
It made it very like peanuts. Happy Halloween, everybody. Thank
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02:12:52.760 --> 02:12:54.659
you guys so much for joining us on Cutting Deep
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02:12:54.680 --> 02:12:57.079
into Horror. We do appreciate you listening to us jaw
2724
02:12:57.159 --> 02:12:59.779
on about our favorite horror films. If you have anything
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02:12:59.819 --> 02:13:03.220
you want to say to us, especially to Rachel, you know,
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02:13:03.319 --> 02:13:07.420
anger and hatred, vitriol. Malice. Malice. You can send it
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02:13:07.439 --> 02:13:10.420
to weeklyspooky at gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you,
2728
02:13:10.500 --> 02:13:12.460
especially if you have a movie to suggest or a thought.
2729
02:13:12.850 --> 02:13:14.909
on a thought we shared or what have you, we'd
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02:13:14.949 --> 02:13:17.409
be happy to read it. That's at weekly spooky at gmail.com.
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02:13:17.449 --> 02:13:19.170
And remember, if you love what we're doing here, head
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02:13:19.189 --> 02:13:21.250
to weekly spooky.com. You can find out how you can
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02:13:21.270 --> 02:13:23.470
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02:13:23.510 --> 02:13:25.989
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2735
02:13:26.270 --> 02:13:29.130
but we'll be back next month with some cozy, good
2736
02:13:29.210 --> 02:13:32.829
spooky movies. And of course some seasonal ones coming right
2737
02:13:32.869 --> 02:13:36.050
up as well. So until then, just, uh, keep an
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02:13:36.270 --> 02:13:40.619
eye on any negative space around you. And, uh, remember, uh,
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Death has come to your little town, Sheriff.