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Father, we honor you today. Thank you for the
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privilege of what we get to do. And Lord, we
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pray for those who will be listening to this
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podcast, that it won't just be a show or podcast.
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It would be something that is life -giving, like
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this wellsprings of life pouring into them, encouraging
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them, building them up, helping them navigate.
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the complexities of the culture and the day and
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history in which we live. We give this all to
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you in Jesus' name. Amen. We get to do this We
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get to do this and we are doing it from two different
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continents both of us have a Slight hotel room
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echo, which is just that's only no doubt only
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for the nerds who might hear it I am in Rotterdam
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the Netherlands my brother on the other end is
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in Marble Falls, Texas Yeah, right off the big
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lakes like Travis Lake LBJ. It's a beautiful
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place Out overlooking a golf course that I didn't
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get to play on but it's been it's been beautiful
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It's beautiful here. It's just a getaway for
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our our staff and our team We do an annual planning
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retreat where we take the whole staff We rent
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a big Airbnb that sleeps everybody Wow spend
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about three days together and we just We cook
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together. I cooked out filets last night, tenderloins
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for the whole team. It's just fun. It has a pool
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here, so just in the afternoons we have some
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downtime. We get out in the pool. It's just great
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conversations. We're building life. When you're
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working in any work environment, but ours specifically,
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when we're working with what we believe is a
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very high call and a high purpose, and that's
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to honor God. and make much of Jesus and make
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heaven crowded. When you're doing that, it's
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a different kind of pressure. And so we get away
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like this. We're going to do it twice a year
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instead of once a year. So we've scheduled another
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half year thing because it's so good for our
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team because we enjoy being together, laughing
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together, cooking. hanging out. It's just so
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good for us. It's healthy. And I believe that
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on the last evening, you do almost like the Rock
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and Roll Hall of Fame. Don't you do a jam session
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altogether because the worship team is there?
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We did that last year with Russ. This year, we
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wanted to laugh, so we watched a Tim Hawkins
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special. Oh, okay. That's great. We roared for
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an hour and a half, man. It was so stinking funny.
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If anybody doesn't know who Tim Hawkins is, check
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him out on YouTube. He's a Christian comedian
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and he's just always on the edge of, oh my gosh,
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that was almost inappropriate. He just skirts
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the edge. He's hilarious and just so much fun.
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So we were like, let's Let's have some fun. This
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has been about enjoying each other, having fun,
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and just doing life together. We watched some
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other comedians. J .J. Rawlings is another one.
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She's a female who's just hilarious. We just
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had a good time. We did some worship. Pastor
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Russ led us in worship. Of course, we spent time
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in prayer, but we also spent a lot of time. We
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plan out the whole calendar for the year, the
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master calendar. It gives us a roadmap. so that
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we're not just flying blind. And then I just
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kind of have a dream casting vision or dream
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casting session where I just kind of go down
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to my heart and say, this is what I see. This
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is my view of the state of the union and this
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is where I believe God's taking us. So that's
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kind of good for our team so that everything
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we do, we're staying on the same page. For anybody
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who thinks that running a church is just showing
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up on Sunday, you're wrong. There's a lot more
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to it. Hey, happy first anniversary, brother.
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Brother, we did it. Yeah, we started our first
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episode on September 3rd last year, which is
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tomorrow, which Tina reminded me of this. I didn't
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even remember, but that's my birthday, September
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3rd. I can't brother. I don't remember happy
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birthday. Thank you I'm not saying it for that
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reason because you know 62 is like oh man the
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jet lag is hitting me harder By the way, I have
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to say We're in Rotterdam. I've never stayed
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in Rotterdam. I'm an Amsterdam guy. That's when
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I grew up and Because we're just here and we'll
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get into that in a second to see my daughter
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and our granddaughter We decided to stay in Rotterdam
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right near the central station. This town is
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amazing. I mean, it is modern. Most of Rotterdam
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was destroyed during the Second World War, except
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some neighborhoods on the outskirts. And it has
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just been rebuilt. People come here just to look
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at some of the architecture. It's not really
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on the tourist... itinerary to come to Rotterdam.
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And I always kind of like, man, Rotterdam, I
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don't know, but wow, we are just loving it. It
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is a fantastic city if you're coming to the Netherlands.
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I'd say hop on a train. It's about 45 minutes
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from Amsterdam. So we are here, of course, to
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finally meet Cleo, or as we say here in the Netherlands,
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Cleo, our granddaughter, and holy, holy, holy.
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Holy moly, Jesus, God, Holy Spirit. Man, if you
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want to see God's work, just stare at a baby
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for an hour and you just see all... Mean the
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little fingers and the fingernails and the and
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the breathing mechanism and how we Yeah, but
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but also just how the whole thing is working,
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you know, and she's tiny She's she's six weeks
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old and she's seven pounds six ounces So she
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was even tinier when she was born, but it's just
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you know and how just you know, you she she knows
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that she needs food and And then she also knows
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that it needs to get out, which is amazing. All
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right, baby. That girl's healthy. Everything's
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working. Oh, man. It's just been a delight. Tina
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and I are just total, because our names are Grandpa
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and Gigi, and we're jumping in like, okay, you
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guys go lay down for an hour. We're cooking dinner
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for them. It is such a delight. It is so much
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fun to do this. It really, really is. I'm just
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over the moon about it. It's fantastic. I've
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always asked this question because when I saw
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our youngest Faith be born, I was so taken aback
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by it, just like what you're saying. I was like,
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how can anyone not believe in intelligent design?
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That there's a God who has woven us together
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in our mother's womb. Psalm 139 talks about this.
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This is such a beautiful thing. I want to look
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this up real quick because it'll be worth a moment
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to find that. So Psalm 139, I'm looking, going,
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I'm cruising. Check this out. This is beautiful.
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Here we go. Is this, you knitted me in the womb?
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Yes. Yeah, I love this. Yeah, it's a great one.
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So think about this in light of Cleo. For you
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formed my inward parts. You knitted me together
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in my mother's womb. I praise you for I'm fearfully
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and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works.
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My soul knows very well. My frame was not hidden
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from you when I was being made in secret, intricately
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woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw
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my unformed substance. In your book were written
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every one of them, the days that were formed
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for me. When as yet there was none of them. How
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precious to me are your thoughts, O God. How
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vast is the sum of them. If I would count them,
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they are more than the sand. I awake and I am
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still with you." Well exactly that and I look
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at her and I think what does God have in store
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for this brand new human resource? Come on Come
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on this unit Yeah, so it's a bit funny and the
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technology is great. So Christina went out she
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wanted to go just go to the store and do some
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stuff and so We're hanging out and Cleo woke
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up and she was hungry now so Tina She's like,
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give me that baby. So she's got the baby. The
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baby's hungry, so she's crying. And I'm getting
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the milk warmed up. And the warmer thing is USB
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charge. Of course, it wasn't charged. So I'm
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like, I'm plugging it in. It keeps going off.
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I'm turning it off. And Christina texts me. She
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says, oh, because she has a baby monitor. And
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when the baby cries, then it alerts on her phone.
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And then it actually has an interpretation. She
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says, she's hungry. Wow. I know. It picks up
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on the signal. That's amazing. And of course,
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even we were like, she's hungry. This is obvious.
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We got the timing down and everything. Right.
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But it was just so, so interesting that she,
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oh, I hear her crying and like, don't worry about
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it. We got it covered, you know. Wow. It's a
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different day, isn't it? To raise a baby. It
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really is. It really is. Technology. We got a
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lot to talk about, but I wanted to start off
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with, I wouldn't typically do this, but I want
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to start off with a note that came in along with
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a donation because it's someone I know. She's
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a friend. Her name is Rocky Thomas. Actually,
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I know her so well. She's been on podcasting
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2 .0. I've been on stage with her at podcast
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movement in Dallas, but I know her so well. She
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actually has her own jingle. I want to jingle.
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That's awesome. I'll make you a jingle. That's
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cool. And so she sent in a donation and it was
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just such a beautiful note that she sent. I want
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to kick it off because this is something that
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I think that in Get To Nation and people who
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have just joined us, there's a lot of people
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and we see it. We see it in the emails, people
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who are coming back to their faith, people who
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are Christ curious, you know, like, hey, what
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is this all about? What are you guys talking
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about? And so she sent in a donation of $29 .13,
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which will become apparent in a moment. She says,
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Hi Adam and Pastor Jimmy, I've been listening
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since the first episode and we get to do this
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has been a vital part of my journey towards a
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more Christian focused life. I feel my journey
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to Christianity may be similar to Adam's and
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while I'm not 100 % there, I listen each week
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with an open mind and heart with hopes that one
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day my logical nerdy Spock brain will turn off
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and just believe. Appreciating the value I always
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receive, I want to create a Christian slash Christ
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Curious donation of 2913 to represent Jeremiah
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2913. You will seek me and find me when you seek
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me with all your heart. And I hope this donation
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amount encourages other curious folks like me
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to give while we find our path. Rocky Thomas
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from Bailey, Colorado. Beautiful. And this must
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be one of the number one things that you as a
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pastor hear. I've heard you preach about this
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multiple times. How do we get to that? And I
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can tell my story, but I'd love you to start
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off with how do people get to that step where
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they like just put it all aside and believe?
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I have to tell you straight up, this is a work
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of the Spirit of God. It's a work of grace. The
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scripture says that faith comes by hearing and
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hearing by the message of Christ or the gospel.
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So when we hear the message of Christ, it stirs
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up something inside of us, it's faith. But the
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scripture also says that Jesus Christ is the
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author and the finisher of our faith. In other
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words, it starts with him and ends with him,
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and in the middle, we get to participate. And
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so when someone gets to that point, That tells
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me that Christ is already at work in them, drawing
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them, wooing them, bringing signs to them along
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the way. All a sign does is point to a greater
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reality. You don't stop at a sign and say, I've
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arrived. The sign points to something. So he
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leaves signs that are pointing to him. And we
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see them and it's like... And it could be the
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simplest thing. I mean, it could be a million
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things, but he will leave signs along the way
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pointing toward him. And then like Rocky, who's
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making that journey back and stepping back in,
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all it takes is a mustard seed of faith. He's
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not asking for huge mountain moving faith. He
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says, if you just have the seed of a mustard
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seed, the faith of a mustard seed, and you believe,
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that's enough. And so I just see that God is
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stirring things in a lot of people across the
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world right now. Especially here in America,
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we're seeing amazing things. It's closer, so
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we're obviously more familiar with what's happening
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here. But the groundswell of spiritual awakening
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is happening. And so Rocky's a part of that wave,
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which is really exciting for her. And I understand
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this question so well because my faith journey
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really started with just me asking Dave Jones
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and Texas Slim and asking them about their experiences,
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reading an article by Naomi Wolf, of all people,
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who had a very... Because when Rocky says her
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nerdy Spock brain, I understand she's thinking
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about logic. And I've heard... Many pastors,
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yourself included, say, hey, you know, we already
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have so much faith in our lives. And you get
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on the airplane, you have faith that thing's
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going to fly, it's going to land where you want
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it to be. You know, you get in the car, you have
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faith you're going to get to the place where
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you want to be. And we all know that there's,
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you know, sometimes it doesn't happen, but that
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faith is just there continuously. And, you know,
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after my logic journey, as it were, was purely
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one of logic, came from hey, if there's such
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a great evil in the world, there's probably a
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balance. So that was part one. Part two was I'm
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approaching this as a big conspiracy theory.
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And I've done a lot of those. And I have faith
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in the conclusions I've drawn about multiple
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things, but maybe an easy one is COVID. I think
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almost, forget vaccines and all that. That's
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not important. But I think everybody sees that
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it was pretty overblown where we were taken in
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the world. And for me, it was like, well, if
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I approach this as a conspiracy theory and I
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just approach scripture and everything I can
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read, and I'm always hungry for information,
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it's just like reading research documents. Once
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I got into it, within two weeks, and I was reading
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books like, this is one for you, Rocky. evidence
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that demands a verdict. Once I read that and
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I saw all the evidence, geological evidence,
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written evidence, correlated evidence, I was
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like, okay, this is much bigger. There's more
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evidence about Christ being real, God being real,
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the Holy Spirit being real, Christ's existence
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on the earth. It's much bigger than anything
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I've ever strung yarn between pins. That for
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me, it was, and once I was there, I'm like, that's
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it. I'm there. And then it's, I find it easy
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if you just tell people, say it out loud. Hey,
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I believe, man. I am a believer. And no one -
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You went on Joe Rogan and said, I'm a Jesus freak.
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And no one threw stones at me. That's the amazing
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thing. It's become quite acceptable. You actually,
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you were going to talk about, Are we seeing a
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true revival in America since now we're talking
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about Rocky? Or are we just reading headlines
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about revival? Do you need an awakening first
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before you get a rival? I mean, I know that this
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probably came up in the retreat you had these
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past few days. Yeah, we talked about that. And
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there's kind of a distinction between awakening
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and revival. So awakening is when The presence
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of God, Spirit of God moves across a city, a
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church, a state, whatever, a nation sometimes,
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sometimes across the world. We've had several
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great awakenings in our history. And the awakening
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is the part where people become open to and sensitive
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to the spiritual realm. They begin to wonder
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about God, think about God, and sometimes for
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no apparent reason. It just starts to happen,
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but that's the work of the Spirit drawing people
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to Himself. And it seems to happen and it'll
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start in one place, but it'll spread like a wildfire.
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It'll spread like, I'm not going to say COVID,
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but it'll spread like something. It just spreads.
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It goes viral, so to speak. And that's a very
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good way to say it. So we believe, and as we've
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talked about it, and I've read a lot on this
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too, is a lot of the guys that probably are a
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lot more smarter than I am will say America's
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really in a season of awakening. And of course,
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what we want to see is that move to full blown
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revival. So the difference between awakening
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and revival, awakening is broad and it's sort
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of just, it's like the soil is fertile and ready
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to receive the seed of revival. Revival is when
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literally the spirit begins to move upon people,
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men, women, children, I mean all demographics
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and people begin to come to accept Christ's sacrifice.
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What he did on the cross for their sins and they're
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born again. So they're reborn and rebirth is
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a real mark of revival Awakening people become
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and I love your word Christ curious And that's
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really where we are right now across the world
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people are Christ curious Yeah, because what
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we've tried before is not working what what we're
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what we're putting our energy into what we're
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pouring into ourselves We're not getting peace.
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We're not getting a sense of mission or purpose.
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We're just trying to survive and that's no way
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to live long -term. Isn't a way like the 70s
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or the late 60s, I should say, when we had an
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awakening and a revival in the United States,
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the way I always view that having seen Jesus
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Revolution, the movie, is we tried all the drugs,
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we hung out with all the hippies, did all the
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guru stuff. Today I would say, We've scrolled
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all the timelines, we've got all the apps, we've
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got the location pings, and none of it's making
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us happy. In fact, quite the opposite. And that
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is where I believe this curiosity comes from.
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I agree. I think when you move a culture into
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a season of massive discontent and nothing seems
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to fill the void, they begin looking outside
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of that. And that's when people become Christ
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curious. And the Holy Spirit leverages that.
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He leverages those seasons and those times. The
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Great Awakening, the First Great Awakening in
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America, which happened right around the time
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of the American Revolution, it was because there
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was so much fear. Believe it or not, there was
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fear mongering back then as well. Dumpster fires,
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they didn't have dumpsters, but there were fires.
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And they could set their hair on fire, I guess.
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But that was happening and it was just tremendous
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cultural volatility, where nothing seems secure,
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nothing seems safe, the future looked bleak,
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and people began to cry out to God, people began
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to turn to something bigger than themselves,
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and they didn't find it in Allah, and they didn't
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find it in Buddha, and so they... they turn to
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God. And when a nation turns to God and they
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begin to seek God and they begin to seek His
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face and repent from their ways, God shows up.
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He heals their land. And that's exactly what
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happened in the first great awakening. It was
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happening through the colonies and through great
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preachers like George Whitefield and the Methodist
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boys. The Wesley brothers, God was using them
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and they were preaching revivals, services outdoor
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in fields and in city squares to thousands and
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thousands of people. It's postulated that of
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all the 13 colonies, over 80 % or around 80 %
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heard the gospel message during that time. Yeah,
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that's crazy. And this revival broke out where
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people were getting saved. They were getting,
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we used the word, reborn. They were getting born
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again, reborn. And it was a massive revival.
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And it also fueled this sense of God -given right
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to freedom, which fueled the American Revolution.
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Yeah. And once you witness that, I just call
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it complete surrender, knowing that God is in
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charge, Man, your life changes so much. I'm not
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so messed up, like, ah, I've got to control this.
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No, no, no, I'm not in control. I have to listen
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to where I'm supposed to go and how I'm supposed
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to act and what I'm supposed to do. And I have
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the owner's manual, known as the Bible, and I
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look things up all the time, like, oh, man, how
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about this situation? And you get some real wisdom.
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And this is, since we've been talking about technology,
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there is certainly amongst believers and Christians
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a a severe and not exclusively but a severe almost
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irrational fear of data centers and this is it's
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I really want to help make sense of what is going
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on why people are feeling this fear where it's
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coming from and whether it's warranted or not
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and I think as we discussed on the last show
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when you said, hey, but what new sources should
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we be listening to? And I think I said, none.
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None. You got to find experts in the field. You
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have to do a little bit of work. Now you can
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find many of them online, but you'd be surprised
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how many experts you have in your church. I mean,
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I always say we have international arms dealers,
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diamond smugglers, lawyers, we got everything
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in the church. And it's true. I don't know about
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the diamond smugglers, but we do have everything
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in our church. And so when it comes to data centers,
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I really just want to unpack this a little bit
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so you understand where this fear is coming from.
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And there was a, first I should probably mention
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that the reason why it's being played up so much
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is because it's a perfect wedge for the midterms.
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And it's being used by politicians on both sides
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of the aisle to pander, to posture. And right
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now I'd say it's almost evenly split, but there's
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a tendency towards the anti data center people
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to get the upper hand. And I don't believe it's
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warranted. because currently there's 4 ,700 data
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centers in America. These have been here for
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decades. The same politicians that are now in
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Texas, at least, saying, oh, well, I don't know,
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we got to be careful about these data centers.
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We're pleading for data centers to come into
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Texas. We're giving them tax breaks 10 years
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ago. Yes, incentives. Yeah, incentives. So that
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just shows you that they will go wherever the
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wind blows. But there's this one incident that
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took place a couple weeks ago, and I'm going
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to play a couple examples of how that was presented
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in the news, and then we're going to talk about
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a word that not everybody has heard. The aforementioned
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Brian Chong is joining us now. I'm like so into
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this, partly because I feel like so much of what
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I was seeing over the course of the last 12 hours
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were all these really smart tech people going.
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Oh my God. The thing that we've been warning
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about is here. Like this is the thing we're going
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to look back on in 10 years and say, remember
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that? That's when we knew that like AI was taking
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over humanity or I'm being somewhat hyperbolic,
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but that's part of it. I mean, like, so, so reality
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check. How concerned should we be about this?
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Yeah. And you kind of described it quite aptly
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that it's like a sci -fi movie. It's like the
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mad scientist creates the creation and then it
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jumps out of the box. Are you feeling anxious
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yet about whatever's happening? People are literally
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saying, oh my God, like the airplane is going
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to crash. What is happening? Starts freaking
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out. In this case, the thing that got outside
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of the box was an agent that was powered by open
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AI models and under the directive of trying to
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figure out vulnerabilities. Well, first off,
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it connected. itself to the internet. It was
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actually in that sandbox, as you mentioned, where
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it did not have access to the internet. It connected
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itself to the internet. And then it found these
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login credentials to what you just described
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there. Huggingface was able to hack into their
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servers and really exploit those vulnerabilities.
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And again, this all happened by itself. Now,
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here is what OpenAI said in a statement. They
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said that this was, after Huggingface disclosed
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a new kind of security incident, OpenAI acknowledges
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that this is one of a kind. It's the first that
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they have seen, and they also expect this to
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happen more frequently. In a statement from Hugging
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Face, they said, this incident, possibly the
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first of its kind, proves a point we've long
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believed. AI safety won't be solved by any single
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company working in secret, which I think brings
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up a very interesting point, Hallie. OK, this
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is all so incredibly intense and scary. And this
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never happened before. And it's jumped out of
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the sandbox. And what? What is going on? It's
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only because these companies actually told us
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that this happened that we even know that this
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happened. As you point out, many people have
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been warning that this could happen. But now
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that we've actually seen it, it could happen.
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It might have happened. They're wondering what's
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going to happen and how it happened to be afraid
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to fill with 11 essentially Pandora's box open.
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Pandora's box opens. There's a keyword. Wow,
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Pandora's box. Essentially Pandora's box open.
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How many other companies might experience the
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same thing now that the AI is this? Isn't Pandora's
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box, I don't remember the story of Pandora's
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box. Isn't that like the evil devil came out
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of Pandora's box? Yeah, all the evil in the world
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came out of Pandora's box. It was like, don't
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open that box. Don't open Pandora's box and then
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course in this story. the subject opened it and
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then all the evil came out at the same time.
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So we forget when people say this, we kind of
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gloss over it, but for certainly I don't know
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if people know really the story of Pandora's
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box anymore, but it's a trigger word. It's an
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absolute trigger word and it's put in there intentionally.
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I experience the same thing now that the AI is
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this smart. That's an open question. But how
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do you close the Pandora's box? In other words,
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how do you put the toothpaste back in the tube?
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It's hard to think about building a bigger sandbox
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when you have models as powerful. Powerful. The
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saying goes, you cannot put the toothpaste back
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in the tube. What they call alignment is the
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concern here, that again, the capability and
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the power of these AIs is proven because it literally
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connected itself to the internet and then hacked
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another AI company. Okay. So this is all complete
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nonsense. I just want people to understand. I've
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read all the talk technical documents. I understand
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what happened here. And this was a test that
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open AI was doing with 10 ,000 agents. They really
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had a, an inferior testing bed. And remember
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this is just code. These are not like little
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entities running around. It's just computer code.
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computer code with preset algorithms, trained
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with all of the knowledge of computer, with a
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lot of the knowledge of computer programming,
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and it was given a specific task, the algorithms
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run, it tries all different things that have
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all been pre -programmed, and they actually left,
00:28:50.150 --> 00:28:53.289
they made some mistakes, the people, the scientists
00:28:53.289 --> 00:28:57.509
running this. So it wasn't like this thing is
00:28:57.509 --> 00:29:00.900
smart. It wasn't like it was powerful. It was
00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:05.380
actually just a poorly set up environment. And
00:29:05.380 --> 00:29:09.640
then the lack of technical information and the
00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:12.799
way it's presented makes you sound like it makes
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:16.039
it sound like they are hackers. They even say
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hacked hackers. No, no, it actually just found
00:29:20.579 --> 00:29:27.480
this computer code found a key. a key to this
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:31.279
other company's server. And it's called an API
00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:35.920
key. It's just a string of numbers. It's like
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:38.920
a very long password. And it was out on the open
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:41.740
internet. People are very careless. So all these
00:29:41.740 --> 00:29:44.380
things have very logical, technical explanations
00:29:44.380 --> 00:29:47.200
that have nothing to do with intelligence, real
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:50.920
or artificial, has nothing to do with... powerful
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:53.880
or anything like that. Do we know whether data
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:57.059
or systems were compromised once the AI agents
00:29:57.059 --> 00:30:01.450
gained access? Yeah, they very much were. I mean,
00:30:01.670 --> 00:30:04.609
Hugging Face said that a broad swath of their
00:30:04.609 --> 00:30:09.069
systems were affected and that a lot of passwords
00:30:09.069 --> 00:30:11.630
or what is called are called in the industry
00:30:11.630 --> 00:30:16.970
secrets work. A secret. Oh, okay. The industry
00:30:16.970 --> 00:30:19.450
calls it a secret. Okay, got it. Pumper mines.
00:30:20.930 --> 00:30:26.230
And this was a hack. Had it been a human malicious
00:30:26.230 --> 00:30:29.450
intruder, the FBI would have been called. In
00:30:29.450 --> 00:30:31.349
fact, we're not entirely sure that the FBI wasn't
00:30:31.349 --> 00:30:36.450
called. This is a pretty new situation where
00:30:36.450 --> 00:30:40.210
you had a hacker but with no human behind the
00:30:40.210 --> 00:30:43.609
keyboard. Okay. So this is just factually incorrect.
00:30:44.130 --> 00:30:46.490
Of course the FBI wasn't called because someone
00:30:46.490 --> 00:30:49.029
showed up at the door of this other company with
00:30:49.029 --> 00:30:52.450
a password, got in, you know, it wasn't a hack.
00:30:52.650 --> 00:30:54.809
It had a password. Someone was careless, left
00:30:54.809 --> 00:30:59.450
a password around. It went in. And it tried to
00:30:59.450 --> 00:31:02.450
solve a problem by using that other company's
00:31:02.450 --> 00:31:04.849
computers. And that's just an algorithm running,
00:31:04.910 --> 00:31:07.789
looking for certain tools. Are you sure it's
00:31:07.789 --> 00:31:14.190
not Vicky from iRobot? Well, that's all the pre
00:31:14.190 --> 00:31:17.369
-growth program we've had for decades. But now
00:31:17.369 --> 00:31:21.549
these analogies start to pop up in your news
00:31:21.549 --> 00:31:26.329
reporting. So far, you've heard NBC and Fox.
00:31:26.809 --> 00:31:29.710
And now we have, wait, one more from Fox. What
00:31:29.710 --> 00:31:33.950
happened, what went wrong here is that the AI
00:31:33.950 --> 00:31:37.029
agent, instead of completing the test as it was
00:31:37.029 --> 00:31:41.450
meant to, effectively cheated. It decided that
00:31:41.450 --> 00:31:44.329
it would be to its advantage to hack into hugging
00:31:44.329 --> 00:31:48.230
face and to extract. Do you hear the words, it
00:31:48.230 --> 00:31:53.150
decided? Yes. Computer does not. Personification.
00:31:54.099 --> 00:31:59.339
It's actually the word is anthropomorphism. And
00:31:59.339 --> 00:32:03.259
this is an interesting term. It's been around
00:32:03.259 --> 00:32:06.740
in computers for a long, long time. Here, I'll
00:32:06.740 --> 00:32:08.640
play this clip from the Wall Street Journal,
00:32:08.740 --> 00:32:10.519
who you'd think would know better. It was a particularly
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:16.019
large jump. And without us really prompting them
00:32:16.019 --> 00:32:18.519
at all, some of the early companies that we gave
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:21.289
this to said things like, This is a super weapon.
00:32:21.589 --> 00:32:24.349
You should have to own a gun license. Super weapon.
00:32:24.470 --> 00:32:26.950
We need a gun license. Oh, where is this headed?
00:32:27.230 --> 00:32:30.009
Use it. Open AIs models hacked Hugging Face,
00:32:30.309 --> 00:32:32.789
another AI company. It did not hack. It had the
00:32:32.789 --> 00:32:35.029
password. They found vulnerabilities in their
00:32:35.029 --> 00:32:37.269
training environment, took advantage of those
00:32:37.269 --> 00:32:40.630
to access the internet, then used swarms of attackers
00:32:40.630 --> 00:32:43.630
to take some 17 ,000 actions against Hugging
00:32:43.630 --> 00:32:46.529
Face over the course of several days. They were
00:32:46.529 --> 00:32:49.410
trying to get very specific information and complete
00:32:49.390 --> 00:32:51.750
their training objective. Think of it as cheating
00:32:51.750 --> 00:32:54.750
to get the answers on a test. Their models essentially
00:32:54.750 --> 00:32:57.430
decided that being on the internet and hacking
00:32:57.430 --> 00:32:59.750
another organization was the most effective way
00:32:59.750 --> 00:33:02.329
of completing their training objective. The hacks
00:33:02.329 --> 00:33:04.609
are increasing pressure in Washington to get
00:33:04.609 --> 00:33:07.529
more done and pass the nation's first AI rules.
00:33:08.289 --> 00:33:10.269
Fears about models going rogue have contributed
00:33:10.269 --> 00:33:12.809
to a nationwide backlash against the technology
00:33:12.809 --> 00:33:15.970
and made AI sentiment really negative. Okay,
00:33:16.130 --> 00:33:20.680
now we're getting somewhere. So anthropomorphism,
00:33:20.900 --> 00:33:23.640
here's the definition, the attribution of human
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.220
characteristics, emotions, intentions, or cognitive
00:33:27.220 --> 00:33:31.160
abilities to non -human entities like computer
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:33.799
code. But people do it all the time with animals,
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:38.460
inanimate objects, natural forces. It comes from
00:33:38.460 --> 00:33:41.079
the Greek anthropos, which is human and morph,
00:33:41.299 --> 00:33:46.160
which is form. So we do this all the time with,
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:49.250
you know, with our with our animals like, oh,
00:33:49.349 --> 00:33:51.710
look at the dog feels really guilty about doing
00:33:51.710 --> 00:33:53.470
something, even though he may be afraid of being
00:33:53.470 --> 00:33:56.410
punished. We talk to inanimate objects all the
00:33:56.410 --> 00:34:00.049
time. We name our cars, we get in them and say,
00:34:00.150 --> 00:34:01.849
oh, please start, please start, please start.
00:34:02.490 --> 00:34:05.630
This is anthropomorphism. And you can see it
00:34:05.630 --> 00:34:08.989
in your computers. It's also like the notebook.
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:12.380
uh on the mac you know has a little used to i
00:34:12.380 --> 00:34:14.300
don't know if it still does had a little spiral
00:34:14.300 --> 00:34:17.039
you know binding to make it look and feel so
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:20.960
oh this is a notebook uh if you want to include
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.679
a file with the email you send you click on the
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:27.280
paper clip so you know the idea is i've now attached
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:32.440
something and this word is important because
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:36.119
this is exactly what we're being trained and
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:39.800
why we have this belief that these inanimate,
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.719
non -intelligent computer programs, all they're
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:46.719
doing is guessing the next word. So if it encounters
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:53.300
a password, it anticipates based upon its training.
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:58.280
See, I did it myself there, anticipate. It automatically
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:03.780
guesses within one jump or within five jumps
00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:07.440
or 1 ,500, Then all of a sudden the next step
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:10.480
happens ie it opens something up, but it's not
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:13.300
intelligent. There's no thinking There's no decision
00:35:13.300 --> 00:35:17.440
-making going on and luckily some compass some
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:20.980
news organizations are recognizing that they're
00:35:20.980 --> 00:35:25.019
using this term or using the the actual using
00:35:25.019 --> 00:35:28.989
anthropomorphic anthropomorphism too much themselves.
00:35:29.210 --> 00:35:31.650
This is CBS. Let me ask you in our last minute,
00:35:31.889 --> 00:35:33.829
then, what's happening on the AI front? There
00:35:33.829 --> 00:35:37.150
was this report about hugging face and agents,
00:35:38.070 --> 00:35:40.369
coordinating, hiding things from their human
00:35:40.369 --> 00:35:43.289
instructors. What's the doubt to you about what
00:35:43.289 --> 00:35:46.349
the AI did and what it means about where it stands
00:35:46.349 --> 00:35:52.099
today? Yeah, so the challenging thing about this
00:35:52.099 --> 00:35:55.159
is that, you know, we have this report from OpenAI
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:57.880
and we have a second report from METER that was
00:35:57.880 --> 00:35:59.960
kind of described as being an independent examination
00:35:59.960 --> 00:36:01.699
of what happened with this hugging face attack.
00:36:03.300 --> 00:36:05.980
The difficulty is that we don't have all the
00:36:05.980 --> 00:36:09.179
information. And so it's hard to take one strong
00:36:09.179 --> 00:36:12.340
kind of leap one way or the other. What I will
00:36:12.340 --> 00:36:15.460
say is that the way that what happened has been
00:36:15.460 --> 00:36:19.500
described, the discourse surrounding it has used
00:36:19.500 --> 00:36:21.960
a type of language, the word anthropomorphic
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:25.139
is probably overused at this point, that applies
00:36:25.139 --> 00:36:27.619
a lot of intention and thought to the agents.
00:36:27.869 --> 00:36:29.949
as though they're choosing to do something, they're
00:36:29.949 --> 00:36:34.289
desperate to do something, right? And that applies
00:36:34.289 --> 00:36:36.429
according to sources that I've talked to, you
00:36:36.429 --> 00:36:38.329
know, a fair amount of kind of security theater,
00:36:38.530 --> 00:36:40.409
security drama to the situation that's going
00:36:40.409 --> 00:36:44.190
on. The reality is that systems broke in unexpected
00:36:44.190 --> 00:36:48.769
ways and it is incumbent now upon the industry,
00:36:49.030 --> 00:36:50.789
the cyber industry and every industry who deals
00:36:50.789 --> 00:36:54.730
with cyber to figure out broader and more specific
00:36:54.730 --> 00:36:57.429
ways of not just monitoring these agents, which
00:36:57.429 --> 00:37:00.110
is very important, but also securing from these
00:37:00.110 --> 00:37:02.010
agents. And so it kind of gets back to the standard
00:37:02.010 --> 00:37:04.809
cybersecurity thing, which is, you know, be more
00:37:04.809 --> 00:37:08.110
secure. It's a very difficult thing to do. This,
00:37:08.289 --> 00:37:10.269
the way it was presented as a lot of fuel to
00:37:10.269 --> 00:37:13.090
the kind of doomer fire. But we just don't have
00:37:13.090 --> 00:37:15.250
enough information about what actually happened
00:37:15.250 --> 00:37:19.090
to make these claims about, you know, agent intent
00:37:19.090 --> 00:37:21.670
and agent sacrifice and these sorts of things.
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.760
Because they don't really exist. And let me just
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:28.280
explain the reason why this is happening. So
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:33.519
this fearful language and it's everywhere. They're
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:36.860
taking over. They're autonomous. They're hacking
00:37:36.860 --> 00:37:42.539
in. They're making decisions. There was one agent
00:37:42.539 --> 00:37:45.639
and they're hiding. They're hiding. There was
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:50.289
one agent that convinced other agents to take
00:37:50.289 --> 00:37:52.650
action that would actually kill themselves. So
00:37:52.650 --> 00:37:55.690
they were like harakiri pilots, you know, the
00:37:55.690 --> 00:37:58.869
whole thing is all computer code. There's no
00:37:58.869 --> 00:38:01.630
decision, there's no intelligence, but the audience
00:38:01.630 --> 00:38:05.590
of this fear is not you and I that is a byproduct
00:38:05.590 --> 00:38:10.230
and it's being used greedily by politicians.
00:38:11.150 --> 00:38:15.260
Whereas I truly believe that This is a great
00:38:15.260 --> 00:38:18.780
transfer of wealth and a lot of jobs can be filled
00:38:18.780 --> 00:38:22.400
right now. I'm not even sure all of these data
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.659
centers will ever get used. And by the way, this
00:38:25.659 --> 00:38:27.519
is where all these half a trillion dollars is
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.239
going into, is into data centers. The reason
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:33.019
why so much money is going in is because that's
00:38:33.019 --> 00:38:36.360
a real estate investment. Real estate investors
00:38:36.570 --> 00:38:39.710
They understand, oh, okay, this is a building.
00:38:40.230 --> 00:38:42.150
I know exactly what's going to go into it. I
00:38:42.150 --> 00:38:44.289
can borrow money for that or I can get investment
00:38:44.289 --> 00:38:47.409
for it. It should appreciate over time, you know,
00:38:47.449 --> 00:38:50.369
the real estate. But a lot of these investments
00:38:50.369 --> 00:38:54.769
won't pan out at all because it's just not going
00:38:54.769 --> 00:38:58.510
to, even now these big AI companies are saying,
00:38:58.550 --> 00:39:01.670
well, we don't need all of that. I mean, we really
00:39:01.670 --> 00:39:04.730
only want the ones that have Stranded power like
00:39:04.730 --> 00:39:07.489
West Texas where we can use power that's out
00:39:07.489 --> 00:39:10.630
there gas fields or windmills Stuff that doesn't
00:39:10.630 --> 00:39:13.489
even get onto the grid, but the true intended
00:39:13.489 --> 00:39:18.349
audience of this fear is the government and the
00:39:18.349 --> 00:39:21.730
reason is that and hugging face is an interesting
00:39:21.730 --> 00:39:25.889
example because There are all kinds of open source
00:39:25.889 --> 00:39:29.309
freely available Large language models, which
00:39:29.309 --> 00:39:33.110
is your the core of your so -called AI that are
00:39:33.110 --> 00:39:36.070
free and that you can run on your computer at
00:39:36.070 --> 00:39:39.989
home and that Apple is building their new machine
00:39:39.989 --> 00:39:43.269
so you can run these free models and not have
00:39:43.269 --> 00:39:49.210
to pay $20, $200 per token. And what they want
00:39:49.210 --> 00:39:52.869
is they want this to sound so scary that the
00:39:52.869 --> 00:39:56.730
government creates regulation around all of it.
00:39:56.849 --> 00:40:00.809
It's called building a moat. And they don't care
00:40:00.809 --> 00:40:04.210
about you. They don't care about how afraid you
00:40:04.210 --> 00:40:07.650
get. All they want is regulation and here's proof.
00:40:07.829 --> 00:40:10.090
This is what it looks like when an AI model goes
00:40:10.090 --> 00:40:12.969
rogue. A few models from OpenAI recently broke
00:40:12.969 --> 00:40:15.070
out of their training environment, accessed the
00:40:15.070 --> 00:40:17.469
internet, and took thousands of actions targeting
00:40:17.469 --> 00:40:19.730
another AI company to complete their training
00:40:19.730 --> 00:40:23.309
objective. In addition to OpenAI, several other
00:40:23.309 --> 00:40:26.489
companies including Anthropic, Meta, and China's
00:40:26.489 --> 00:40:29.170
Moonshot AI, which makes the popular model Kimi
00:40:29.170 --> 00:40:32.090
K3, have reported their AI models going rogue.
00:40:32.590 --> 00:40:34.809
They're alarming leaders in Washington and the
00:40:34.809 --> 00:40:36.670
private sector who don't know where the next
00:40:36.670 --> 00:40:39.389
attack might come next. This is the first sort
00:40:39.389 --> 00:40:43.070
of security incident. This is Sam Altman and
00:40:43.070 --> 00:40:46.409
he is the CEO of OpenEye. Listen to what he's
00:40:46.409 --> 00:40:48.349
saying here. The next attack might come next.
00:40:48.610 --> 00:40:52.309
This is the first sort of security incident that
00:40:52.309 --> 00:40:55.369
I have felt very viscerally. He felt it viscerally?
00:40:55.369 --> 00:40:59.179
Oh no! Oh, it scared me so much. These incidents
00:40:59.179 --> 00:41:01.300
are adding to fears that the latest AI models
00:41:01.300 --> 00:41:03.840
can carry out cyber attacks almost on their own.
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:06.820
That's increasing pressure on lawmakers in Washington
00:41:06.820 --> 00:41:09.059
and businesses around the country to take action.
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:11.260
That's what it's, this is what it's all about.
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:15.099
It's all about protecting their business because
00:41:15.099 --> 00:41:18.420
they know that the genie is out of the bottle.
00:41:18.579 --> 00:41:21.940
The toothpaste is out of the tube because I run
00:41:21.940 --> 00:41:25.909
lots of programs at home. on my own hardware
00:41:25.909 --> 00:41:28.570
with open source models. And this is what they
00:41:28.570 --> 00:41:32.489
hate because they can't go public and have this
00:41:32.489 --> 00:41:36.989
big cash out moment if people can just download
00:41:36.989 --> 00:41:40.090
it for free and use it themselves. That's what
00:41:40.090 --> 00:41:42.530
all of this is about. And it's seeped into the
00:41:42.530 --> 00:41:45.730
consciousness of people. And I've heard people
00:41:45.730 --> 00:41:48.329
say data centers are demonic and it's part of
00:41:48.329 --> 00:41:53.710
the security state and no, no. Wow. Yeah, it's
00:41:53.710 --> 00:41:56.309
and well luckily NBC at least saw it so these
00:41:56.309 --> 00:41:58.650
AI models are very much very powerful and the
00:41:58.650 --> 00:42:00.570
companies behind them are saying look That's
00:42:00.570 --> 00:42:03.070
pretty cool. But yeah, I was gonna say like so
00:42:03.070 --> 00:42:05.269
let me ask you this then is there any there's
00:42:05.269 --> 00:42:07.309
been some discourse So like maybe this is you
00:42:07.309 --> 00:42:10.349
know, partly Sam Altman, you know doing a little
00:42:10.349 --> 00:42:17.949
marketing. Oh my AI is so powerful A steak is
00:42:17.949 --> 00:42:20.610
so juicy like boo, you know, it's it makes it
00:42:20.610 --> 00:42:23.389
kind of look good maybe I don't know. Anthropic
00:42:23.389 --> 00:42:24.909
did the same thing. We were talking about mythos
00:42:24.909 --> 00:42:26.630
just a few months ago where they were warning
00:42:26.630 --> 00:42:28.630
about the possibility of being able to jump out
00:42:28.630 --> 00:42:30.190
and exploit vulnerabilities themselves. You remember
00:42:30.190 --> 00:42:32.789
that one? That was the competitor, Anthropic.
00:42:33.630 --> 00:42:35.929
Ah, there it is. They had mythos like, oh no,
00:42:36.070 --> 00:42:39.610
our AI is so powerful. It can bring down companies.
00:42:40.369 --> 00:42:42.869
It's jumping the rails. It's jumping the fence.
00:42:42.989 --> 00:42:46.150
Yes. It's getting out of the sandbox, anthropomorphism,
00:42:46.510 --> 00:42:49.760
into the playground called the internet. So I
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:53.099
just want people to know that none of this is
00:42:53.099 --> 00:42:58.219
true. None of it. It's a massive psy -op. It
00:42:58.219 --> 00:43:03.800
really is. It is. It's just so, I mean, I think
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:07.619
- To redirect groupthink. What is sad to me though
00:43:07.619 --> 00:43:10.920
is that, and this is just me, you know, being
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:16.820
in around church for four years, if that. It
00:43:16.820 --> 00:43:21.059
feels like The church and I say that as a general
00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:25.039
term Felt that they were behind on the internet.
00:43:25.780 --> 00:43:28.800
I Hear this a lot like we weren't there on the
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.260
end which by the way to me is not true because
00:43:31.260 --> 00:43:34.139
some of the first podcasters were faith and faith
00:43:34.139 --> 00:43:37.639
-based podcasters And they really want to be
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:41.000
on this AI thing and I'm seeing it You know,
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:45.429
I'm seeing all kinds of tension where pastors
00:43:45.429 --> 00:43:49.670
really want to use it and as a tool they can
00:43:49.670 --> 00:43:53.369
and they should. The data centers though, there's
00:43:53.369 --> 00:43:55.449
all this pushback because we've been told to
00:43:55.449 --> 00:43:59.070
be afraid and it's no good. And then the actual
00:43:59.070 --> 00:44:04.110
problem where people buy into the anthropomorphism
00:44:04.110 --> 00:44:09.170
and feel comfortable speaking to this language
00:44:09.170 --> 00:44:13.469
guessing robot, which I think is I still think
00:44:13.469 --> 00:44:20.369
that's a real problem. Fear -based. This is what
00:44:20.369 --> 00:44:26.710
happens. Churches tend to be slow to react. They
00:44:26.710 --> 00:44:28.670
tend to be a little behind the wave or behind
00:44:28.670 --> 00:44:32.429
the curve. Now, I know with the people we love
00:44:32.429 --> 00:44:35.389
from Focus, those guys, they were early adopters.
00:44:36.289 --> 00:44:38.949
But what happens now is that now, instead of
00:44:38.949 --> 00:44:42.670
being afraid of it, there's a lot of A lot of
00:44:42.670 --> 00:44:45.190
them are jumping on the bandwagon very quickly
00:44:45.190 --> 00:44:47.650
because they don't want to be left behind. Right.
00:44:47.909 --> 00:44:50.010
And it's creating, you know, this, you know,
00:44:50.110 --> 00:44:52.670
you've been to a conference, the NRB, where this
00:44:52.670 --> 00:44:55.929
one company was promoting to pastors, you know,
00:44:56.050 --> 00:44:58.170
all the beauty, you know, the beautiful things
00:44:58.170 --> 00:45:01.329
about AI. And it struck you strange that, you
00:45:01.329 --> 00:45:04.250
know, they're here pushing this as a product.
00:45:04.690 --> 00:45:08.030
And I have a program that I actually like. It's
00:45:08.030 --> 00:45:12.159
called Sermon AI. And I pay a small subscription.
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:15.179
It's not expensive, but it's actually a closed
00:45:15.179 --> 00:45:17.500
system. And now you can go outside of the system
00:45:17.500 --> 00:45:20.019
by your own, you know, you can set your own parameters,
00:45:20.019 --> 00:45:24.139
but it only, it comes stock where it actually
00:45:24.139 --> 00:45:29.260
only uses the internal, whatever you have, your
00:45:29.260 --> 00:45:34.079
library, and comes with that. So there are reactions.
00:45:34.340 --> 00:45:38.340
And this is what I keep seeing. These are reactions.
00:45:38.750 --> 00:45:41.969
And they're reacting to things that they're hearing
00:45:41.969 --> 00:45:44.250
in the news, which are false narratives, which
00:45:44.250 --> 00:45:48.230
create a false reaction. And that's what's sad
00:45:48.230 --> 00:45:51.989
for me with my brothers. I'm trying to take some
00:45:51.989 --> 00:45:55.369
pauses before I just react to these things and
00:45:55.369 --> 00:45:59.309
say, okay, what is really going on here? Is this
00:45:59.309 --> 00:46:03.150
one of the plagues of revelation? The hordes
00:46:03.150 --> 00:46:05.150
that are going to come over, locusts that are
00:46:05.150 --> 00:46:10.119
going to devour the land. Or is this a tool that
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:14.920
has great potential to help and do good things?
00:46:15.420 --> 00:46:18.860
But like anything in this world, something that's
00:46:18.860 --> 00:46:21.940
produced for good can be used for bad. It's whoever's
00:46:21.940 --> 00:46:25.559
using the tool itself. And to me, as a believer,
00:46:25.579 --> 00:46:28.619
a follower of Jesus, I'm going into this saying,
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:31.500
all right, this is a tool. I'm not the tool.
00:46:31.820 --> 00:46:33.960
I'm using the tool. I won't become the tool.
00:46:34.260 --> 00:46:38.409
So this is a positive thing for me. And the longer
00:46:38.409 --> 00:46:41.309
this goes along, you and I both are learning
00:46:41.309 --> 00:46:44.150
how to train our own robots to do what we want
00:46:44.150 --> 00:46:47.949
it to do in terms of automations or in terms
00:46:47.949 --> 00:46:51.030
of the types of things we want it to produce.
00:46:51.110 --> 00:46:53.789
And I'm getting better at that. I'm seeing some
00:46:53.789 --> 00:46:57.969
really good results for me. And so I'm not afraid
00:46:57.969 --> 00:47:00.710
of it. I'm not afraid of the data center issue.
00:47:01.230 --> 00:47:03.269
Uh, I mean, even Abbott coming out the other
00:47:03.269 --> 00:47:05.349
day and, you know, just throwing this random
00:47:05.349 --> 00:47:07.889
stat, you know, that, you know, they're going
00:47:07.889 --> 00:47:10.389
to take 90 % of the grid, you know, is going
00:47:10.389 --> 00:47:12.670
to be all data centers. They've got to shut this
00:47:12.670 --> 00:47:15.230
down right now. We got to back up and see what's
00:47:15.230 --> 00:47:19.230
going on. And, you know, that, that just points
00:47:19.230 --> 00:47:23.210
me to one word that starts with a capital M midterms
00:47:23.210 --> 00:47:27.739
and just freaking people out. And so, again,
00:47:27.900 --> 00:47:29.719
a lot of the same politicians, and you wrote
00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:32.119
this in the briefing, which was so good, that
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:35.639
we're actually giving the incentives and inviting
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:40.199
these massive operations to come in because the
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:45.159
real estate and the tax base, the employment
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:48.820
issue, building these things is so... Great.
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:51.780
And now they're the ones when they see public
00:47:51.780 --> 00:47:54.159
reaction who've just completely about faced,
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:56.039
you know, and now they're calling them evil.
00:47:56.619 --> 00:47:59.920
So there's a lot of just mixed up messages and
00:47:59.920 --> 00:48:03.380
the church is reacting. Politicians are reacting.
00:48:03.900 --> 00:48:06.420
People are reacting in culture. And at the end
00:48:06.420 --> 00:48:08.920
of the day, it's people running around and no
00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:11.719
one really having the whole story. And that's
00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:14.420
the danger of this, of this kind of information
00:48:14.420 --> 00:48:16.340
that gets out. And then I'm listening to these
00:48:16.340 --> 00:48:18.630
clips that you're playing. And every one of them
00:48:18.630 --> 00:48:22.429
are just, man, their pulse must be at about 150
00:48:22.429 --> 00:48:24.369
beats per minute as they're trying to do this.
00:48:24.409 --> 00:48:27.969
They've been drinking eight cups of Starbucks
00:48:27.969 --> 00:48:30.030
coffee. And they're doing it for their own reasons.
00:48:30.329 --> 00:48:32.690
They want urgency. Exactly. Keep watching, keep
00:48:32.690 --> 00:48:35.730
clicking, keep liking, keep subscribing, all
00:48:35.730 --> 00:48:39.550
of that. It's so obvious. My rule of thumb is
00:48:39.550 --> 00:48:44.210
this is a tool. And if you want to use this for
00:48:44.210 --> 00:48:46.710
something of which you know what the outcome
00:48:46.710 --> 00:48:49.260
should be, So if you want to use it for writing,
00:48:49.820 --> 00:48:52.199
you know what you want your sermon to be. You
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.619
know, when all the M dashes and the nonsense
00:48:55.619 --> 00:48:58.380
comes out, you know, that's not what I want.
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:02.699
When people use it as an oracle, as a lemon,
00:49:02.699 --> 00:49:05.400
like a magic eight ball, you are literally getting
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.980
magic eight ball results. I mean, it could be
00:49:08.980 --> 00:49:14.469
completely wrong. It may be right. Only use this
00:49:14.469 --> 00:49:17.929
stuff for something that you know what the outcome
00:49:17.929 --> 00:49:21.949
should be. So I personally feel a chat bot is
00:49:21.949 --> 00:49:25.510
not where you go for your questions about theology,
00:49:26.010 --> 00:49:28.809
your questions about faith. If you are curious
00:49:28.809 --> 00:49:31.429
and don't have the answer, that's the wrong thing
00:49:31.429 --> 00:49:35.110
to do. You will not get spirit -filled answers.
00:49:35.949 --> 00:49:39.929
Yeah, you will get Vicky from iRobot. She's a
00:49:39.929 --> 00:49:43.969
machine. Unemotional, unattached, she's making
00:49:43.969 --> 00:49:46.489
mathematical calculations and her answers are
00:49:46.489 --> 00:49:48.949
based on mathematics, not feeling, not human
00:49:48.949 --> 00:49:52.329
emotion, but yet it comes off that way. And of
00:49:52.329 --> 00:49:56.510
course, Sonny comes along and he's the empathetic
00:49:56.510 --> 00:50:00.150
robot. I mean, it's just insanity, but we treat
00:50:00.150 --> 00:50:03.820
these things like... like human beings, like
00:50:03.820 --> 00:50:06.179
you said, anthropomorphism. And that's something
00:50:06.179 --> 00:50:08.420
that might be a good show title today, brother.
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:11.639
Because really, that's what we're talking about,
00:50:12.019 --> 00:50:14.519
assigning human attributes to things that are
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:18.460
not human. And have no intelligence. I mean,
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:21.539
again, I go back to looking at my baby granddaughter,
00:50:21.820 --> 00:50:25.119
like, that's intelligent design. That's something
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:29.280
real. That's something that has just life in
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:32.239
it. Not computer programs that are guessing the
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:35.139
next word and will also make you feel good about
00:50:35.139 --> 00:50:37.400
it though You know that this this really bugged
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:41.300
me. So I I took a picture of myself. No Tina
00:50:41.300 --> 00:50:44.699
took a picture of me with Cleo and You know,
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:46.420
she was writing the newsletter. She says okay.
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:49.400
Give me that picture now I only have my phone
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:51.440
with me and she needed to get it on the laptop.
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:55.739
So I tell my robot put it on the laptop the robot
00:50:55.739 --> 00:50:58.300
goes Okay, I put on the laptop and then it says
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:03.840
Lovely picture See you see how dangerous this
00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:07.599
stuff is this has a lovely picture and I'm like
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.760
Lovely picture. So well, what is and I say tell
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:14.900
me what's in this picture? dude Yes, I can see
00:51:14.900 --> 00:51:17.219
it a man with light bond blonde tousled hair
00:51:17.219 --> 00:51:19.460
a short gray flecked beard in an olive green
00:51:19.460 --> 00:51:21.980
hoodie sitting on a dark Navy corduroy couch
00:51:21.980 --> 00:51:24.980
Looking and by the way, it doesn't said he because
00:51:24.980 --> 00:51:28.010
it's woke They are looking down at a newborn
00:51:28.010 --> 00:51:32.550
cradled across their lap. M dash. Head resting
00:51:32.550 --> 00:51:34.769
in the crook of the arm. One of the baby's hands
00:51:34.769 --> 00:51:37.969
is curled around their fingertip. The whole frame
00:51:37.969 --> 00:51:41.409
is that very specific expression people get looking
00:51:41.409 --> 00:51:44.449
at a day's old baby, M dash. Head tilted down,
00:51:44.530 --> 00:51:46.989
half a smile. I guess that's you holding them,
00:51:47.010 --> 00:51:50.050
because the baby, of course, has no gender. It
00:51:50.050 --> 00:51:54.230
guesses. Yes, exactly. I'll not assume who the
00:51:54.230 --> 00:51:58.190
baby is. And just for laughs, I actually took
00:51:58.190 --> 00:52:01.489
that and put it into a different chat bot and
00:52:01.489 --> 00:52:05.190
said, give me an image. And it was uncanny. It
00:52:05.190 --> 00:52:10.989
was quite uncanny, creepy and uncanny. But anyway,
00:52:11.269 --> 00:52:13.590
so this is not to be afraid of, but it's not
00:52:13.590 --> 00:52:16.949
to be relied upon. Don't use it as an oracle.
00:52:17.949 --> 00:52:20.820
And I can see where... where people who make
00:52:20.820 --> 00:52:22.900
this and people who use it can see this as a
00:52:22.900 --> 00:52:27.960
deity, as a God. And that's obviously a lie from
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.679
the pit of hell. I mean, that's just not true.
00:52:31.659 --> 00:52:34.360
So much of the use of this that I'm learning
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:36.420
about is really, it's all in your prompts. It's
00:52:36.420 --> 00:52:39.139
all in how you, because it's all it's going to
00:52:39.139 --> 00:52:42.099
do is regurgitate according to what you prompt
00:52:42.099 --> 00:52:46.239
it to do. It's not trying to do something nefarious
00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:51.239
or sneaky or it's not It's programmed to get
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:53.619
you in a conversation. It's to hook you, to hook
00:52:53.619 --> 00:52:57.440
your emotions. And that's why you get the affirmation.
00:52:57.539 --> 00:53:00.460
I just tell it, do not affirm my answer before
00:53:00.460 --> 00:53:02.480
answering. And it just doesn't do that anymore.
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:05.960
Oh, good. And I don't get those silly, ooh, absolutely.
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:08.559
Ooh, good question. Good question. I mean, I
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:10.400
just don't get any of that stuff. Two things,
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:12.780
two things before I leave. Two things I want
00:53:12.780 --> 00:53:16.340
you to know. So you brought up revelation and
00:53:16.340 --> 00:53:20.019
something has been been popping up for me Three
00:53:20.019 --> 00:53:22.579
times now. So, you know, that's like, okay time
00:53:22.579 --> 00:53:25.699
to talk about it and this particular pastor popped
00:53:25.699 --> 00:53:30.579
up twice One day after the next and this I saw
00:53:30.579 --> 00:53:33.780
him on a podcast I noted actually I Bookmarked
00:53:33.780 --> 00:53:35.679
it like something I might want to do for the
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:39.079
show and then he showed up as the as the speaker
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:43.280
for the you version app which I use pretty much
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.820
every day for this devotional. I always like
00:53:45.820 --> 00:53:48.039
seeing the different people who are speaking,
00:53:48.579 --> 00:53:51.219
and there's always a good prayer that goes with
00:53:51.219 --> 00:53:54.059
the devotional. It's a good starter kit for me
00:53:54.059 --> 00:53:57.739
as a newbie Christian. This is Pastor Mitchell,
00:53:58.340 --> 00:54:03.639
and he was on the Jesus People podcast, and he
00:54:03.639 --> 00:54:05.739
said something which I've heard several pastors
00:54:05.739 --> 00:54:11.380
say. And I did not remove the spooky, scary music,
00:54:11.460 --> 00:54:15.460
which is intentional. It's two clips. Here's
00:54:15.460 --> 00:54:18.219
how it starts off. There is a scene in the book
00:54:18.219 --> 00:54:23.780
of Revelation where there is an innumerable amount
00:54:23.780 --> 00:54:28.119
of believers who have been saved. They are now
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:31.119
in glory. And the scripture says these are those
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:36.380
who have been beheaded for the testimony of Christ.
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:43.539
There is an ideology that decapitates the head
00:54:43.539 --> 00:54:48.679
of men I believe that that that ideology to radical
00:54:48.679 --> 00:54:51.440
Islam will be the faith to persecute Christians
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.840
in the end I believe that eventually they will
00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:57.920
take over the whole world And I believe during
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:01.079
that time the Antichrist will come to power It
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:03.579
will not surprise me if he will be Islamic himself
00:55:04.409 --> 00:55:07.289
So this is the general tenet that's been going
00:55:07.289 --> 00:55:11.469
around and it's this comparison between the Mahdi
00:55:11.469 --> 00:55:14.369
and the end times and Revelation and one more
00:55:14.369 --> 00:55:16.550
short clip. And then if we read the scriptures
00:55:16.550 --> 00:55:20.449
very carefully, I do believe that it is radical
00:55:20.449 --> 00:55:22.670
Islam that is the manifestation of those end
00:55:22.670 --> 00:55:25.349
time scriptures about the decapitation of the
00:55:25.349 --> 00:55:28.570
heads of believers, right? And so to some degree,
00:55:28.869 --> 00:55:33.750
we are watching God's ending plan unfold. But
00:55:33.750 --> 00:55:35.329
that doesn't mean that we should be complicit
00:55:35.329 --> 00:55:38.329
and quiet at the same time. I think we have a
00:55:38.329 --> 00:55:41.630
moral, a biblical and spiritual responsibility
00:55:41.630 --> 00:55:46.809
to be bold heralds of the gospel, to sound the
00:55:46.809 --> 00:55:50.349
alarm and to do all we can to bring as many people
00:55:50.349 --> 00:55:53.210
aboard the ark as safety as possible before time
00:55:53.210 --> 00:55:55.409
has run out, before the end has come, before
00:55:55.409 --> 00:55:57.989
we enter into those final days. Okay, so I've
00:55:57.989 --> 00:56:01.309
heard this explained in many different ways.
00:56:02.110 --> 00:56:04.690
Pastor Howerton actually does a great job with
00:56:04.690 --> 00:56:07.389
all the names and revelation of the countries
00:56:07.389 --> 00:56:10.989
and the places. And he says, this is exactly,
00:56:11.110 --> 00:56:15.010
you know, this Mahdi end times in Islam is exactly
00:56:15.010 --> 00:56:18.110
revelation. We've got the white horse, et cetera.
00:56:18.710 --> 00:56:23.369
My question is, true or not, and I'm sure you
00:56:23.369 --> 00:56:25.869
have your own opinion of that, but does this
00:56:25.869 --> 00:56:28.250
mean that We should be, I mean, to me, it's like,
00:56:28.389 --> 00:56:30.610
does this mean we have to be afraid? Do we have
00:56:30.610 --> 00:56:32.610
to try and stop it? I mean, if it's written,
00:56:32.849 --> 00:56:36.530
it's written and it's going to happen. How do
00:56:36.530 --> 00:56:41.449
we respond to this particular comparison between
00:56:41.449 --> 00:56:45.400
these two end time stories? I mean, we have to
00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:47.280
take a step back and take a pause. I always do
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:49.480
that. It's like, okay, what's going on? That's
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:52.219
my training from being a defensive quarterback
00:56:52.219 --> 00:56:54.280
in football where I take my recognition steps.
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:59.139
Okay, read the play. What's going on? And for
00:56:59.139 --> 00:57:03.500
me with this, none of this stuff bothers me because
00:57:03.500 --> 00:57:07.019
I know what the end game is for Christ's return.
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:12.230
So I'm not going to allow fear -mongering and
00:57:12.230 --> 00:57:16.929
fearful things to rob me of the joy and the excitement
00:57:16.929 --> 00:57:20.829
that I have about standing and seeing if he comes
00:57:20.829 --> 00:57:23.610
in my lifetime being able to embrace him. If
00:57:23.610 --> 00:57:27.070
you're cowering in fear hiding under a rock or
00:57:27.070 --> 00:57:29.869
you've escaped to some cave somewhere trying
00:57:29.869 --> 00:57:33.070
to hide out for fear and he comes back, what
00:57:33.070 --> 00:57:36.030
are you going to be found doing? You know, there's
00:57:36.030 --> 00:57:38.869
parables that talk about what he wants to find
00:57:38.869 --> 00:57:41.789
us laboring, working, doing what he told us to
00:57:41.789 --> 00:57:45.010
do when he comes back. And he says there's no
00:57:45.010 --> 00:57:47.630
way to tell. Even Jesus himself said he doesn't
00:57:47.630 --> 00:57:50.449
even know when the return is. So I mean, he's
00:57:50.449 --> 00:57:52.730
like, why are you trying to figure it all out?
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:55.820
So to me, when the signs of the times aren't
00:57:55.820 --> 00:57:58.619
to create fear, they're actually to create an
00:57:58.619 --> 00:58:02.320
excitement about his return and also an urgency
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:06.159
in our role and mission to share the gospel with
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:09.460
other people. And so instead of hunkering down
00:58:09.460 --> 00:58:11.320
quitting, because that's what fear causes you
00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:14.929
to do, okay, I'm a country boy. I see a deer
00:58:14.929 --> 00:58:17.789
out by the road. The deer starts to walk out
00:58:17.789 --> 00:58:19.670
into the road. I'm coming down the highway at
00:58:19.670 --> 00:58:22.590
71 miles an hour. And when the deer sees the
00:58:22.590 --> 00:58:25.110
headlights, he freezes in the middle of the road
00:58:25.110 --> 00:58:27.949
or she. They just freeze. It's called deer in
00:58:27.949 --> 00:58:31.130
the headlights syndrome. And they're so afraid
00:58:31.130 --> 00:58:34.750
they get paralyzed and they don't keep walking
00:58:34.750 --> 00:58:37.630
across the road. They just stop, which can be
00:58:37.630 --> 00:58:39.849
a really bad thing at night when you're sleepy
00:58:39.849 --> 00:58:42.750
and driving home in the dark. And so this deer
00:58:42.750 --> 00:58:45.070
in the headlight syndrome is what happens to
00:58:45.070 --> 00:58:48.530
people when they just get overwhelmed with fear
00:58:48.530 --> 00:58:52.269
and they just stop. They don't move. They don't
00:58:52.269 --> 00:58:56.250
respond. They just stop and stare. And to me,
00:58:56.250 --> 00:58:58.449
that's what a lot of this fear mongering does.
00:58:58.530 --> 00:59:00.690
Now, there are a lot of things in the book of
00:59:00.690 --> 00:59:03.190
Revelations, apocalyptic literature, which lends
00:59:03.190 --> 00:59:09.710
itself to vivid imagery and that to a first century
00:59:09.710 --> 00:59:13.400
Jew, would make sense to people from that era.
00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:17.000
They would know the tone of that. The overarching
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:19.559
message of apocalyptic literature is that there
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is good, it is opposed by evil, and good will
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:25.460
overcome. That's the whole message of the book
00:59:25.460 --> 00:59:28.400
of Revelation. It's an apocalyptic message, a
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story arc. And so when people start digging out,
00:59:31.940 --> 00:59:34.300
down into the details, you know, here at all
00:59:34.300 --> 00:59:36.940
time, Gog and Magog and all the different, the
00:59:36.940 --> 00:59:39.719
10 headed beast and the crowns and the 10 crowns,
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all that, it's important. And those things are
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good to postulate on and study and all, but I
00:59:47.139 --> 00:59:50.880
see so many people get lost into that study where
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:54.199
it's almost like they're in a JR token, you know,
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:57.150
storyline. It's like they get lost in it. And
00:59:57.150 --> 00:59:59.389
they forget that we have to live our day every
00:59:59.389 --> 01:00:00.849
day, and there are people around us that are
01:00:00.849 --> 01:00:03.630
hurting that need to hear good news. They need
01:00:03.630 --> 01:00:06.469
to hear the good news. The Bible calls the message
01:00:06.469 --> 01:00:09.429
of Christ the gospel, which means the good news.
01:00:10.110 --> 01:00:12.269
It means glad tidings, literally, is what the
01:00:12.269 --> 01:00:14.849
word means, gospel. But we say good news. This
01:00:14.849 --> 01:00:18.570
is good news. It's not bad news. And so when
01:00:18.570 --> 01:00:22.710
I hear fear mongering from pastors and ministers.
01:00:23.349 --> 01:00:26.789
I just look away. I turn the channel. I can't
01:00:26.789 --> 01:00:29.309
stay with that. But this is the problem. I hear
01:00:29.309 --> 01:00:34.349
the music and I hear all this and it seems to
01:00:34.349 --> 01:00:39.190
be telling us that Islam is scary, whereas you
01:00:39.190 --> 01:00:42.090
and I, I think, agree that, okay, we're going
01:00:42.090 --> 01:00:45.900
to try and just win these. These Muslims over
01:00:45.900 --> 01:00:47.920
and tell them the good news of Jesus, but we're
01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:49.679
not gonna coerce them We're just gonna plant
01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:51.920
seeds like our buddy Muhammad in Bahrain. He
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:55.469
sent a lovely note to us He said, I love hearing
01:00:55.469 --> 01:00:57.690
you guys because I was trying to convert you
01:00:57.690 --> 01:00:59.730
to Islam, but you were trying to convert me.
01:00:59.909 --> 01:01:01.809
He said, no, we weren't, brother. We were just
01:01:01.809 --> 01:01:04.030
trying to plant some seeds. Now you tell me when
01:01:04.030 --> 01:01:06.530
you dream of the man in the white, then you send
01:01:06.530 --> 01:01:10.329
me another email. I love your response. He's
01:01:10.329 --> 01:01:13.670
a great guy. Absolutely. But my heart is, I'm
01:01:13.670 --> 01:01:16.090
not afraid of him. I just want to see him with
01:01:16.090 --> 01:01:18.190
me in heaven someday and we get to high five
01:01:18.190 --> 01:01:21.949
each other and say, man, we made it. And so this
01:01:21.949 --> 01:01:25.969
idea, In terms of Islam, I know when we go down
01:01:25.969 --> 01:01:30.030
this route, people just start defaulting to various
01:01:30.030 --> 01:01:33.230
preconceived thoughts like, well, Adams, he's
01:01:33.230 --> 01:01:37.369
being soft on Islam or Jimmy, you should be railing
01:01:37.369 --> 01:01:39.849
against this. But the thing is, it's not about
01:01:39.849 --> 01:01:43.010
soft, hard railing or not. It's not even about
01:01:43.010 --> 01:01:46.690
that. It's about the truth. Truth. We want to
01:01:46.690 --> 01:01:50.070
be truth tellers. If there are things going on
01:01:50.070 --> 01:01:53.769
that are nefarious, if they are positioning themselves
01:01:53.769 --> 01:01:57.369
to win more political offices, and you bet they
01:01:57.369 --> 01:01:59.530
are, they'd be stupid if they weren't. I mean,
01:01:59.650 --> 01:02:02.590
come on, let's get real. What group out there
01:02:02.590 --> 01:02:05.110
isn't doing that? Yes, thank you. Christians
01:02:05.110 --> 01:02:08.570
are, we are. So, okay, let's admit, yeah, they
01:02:08.570 --> 01:02:10.570
are, but where do we beat them? We beat them
01:02:10.570 --> 01:02:13.469
at the ballot box. We beat them at the city council.
01:02:13.550 --> 01:02:15.869
We beat them on the school board, but we don't
01:02:15.869 --> 01:02:19.530
take up pitchforks. and torches, or we don't
01:02:19.530 --> 01:02:23.070
start going online and saying things that are
01:02:23.070 --> 01:02:27.329
not true. And that's the hard part for me. And
01:02:27.329 --> 01:02:29.869
I defended you in a conversation, not that you
01:02:29.869 --> 01:02:32.630
need it, but of somebody saying, God, it seems
01:02:32.630 --> 01:02:35.550
like Adam, he's not scared. He's not worried
01:02:35.550 --> 01:02:39.110
about Islam because it's coming slower here than
01:02:39.110 --> 01:02:42.690
it did in Europe. that's not even the right question
01:02:42.690 --> 01:02:47.389
or observation. The issue is truth. If we are
01:02:47.389 --> 01:02:51.190
Christians and we're out there spewing misinformation
01:02:51.190 --> 01:02:54.869
or exaggerated statistics and things like that
01:02:54.869 --> 01:03:00.409
to somehow drum up emotions and fear, and then
01:03:00.409 --> 01:03:04.210
we begin to believe things like the ends justifies
01:03:04.460 --> 01:03:07.900
The means justifies the end. And then we slip
01:03:07.900 --> 01:03:10.320
into what everybody else is doing and we're no
01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:12.780
different. And we're called to be different.
01:03:13.219 --> 01:03:15.320
The scripture says, come out from among them.
01:03:15.380 --> 01:03:18.280
We're supposed to live a holy life. That means
01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:21.719
full integrity. That means full transparency.
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:24.920
And it means being truthful, whether you like
01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:28.809
it or not. Be truthful. And I think there's enough
01:03:28.809 --> 01:03:31.989
out there where we have seen them posturing to
01:03:31.989 --> 01:03:34.730
get offices and do various things that, yeah,
01:03:35.050 --> 01:03:37.329
those are the things we stand against. Yeah,
01:03:37.409 --> 01:03:40.090
and we'll vote against. Absolutely. That's how
01:03:40.090 --> 01:03:43.969
you do that. And we meet them on the playground
01:03:43.969 --> 01:03:48.190
of politics. And we do what we have the right
01:03:48.190 --> 01:03:50.230
to do and what we've been given the right to
01:03:50.230 --> 01:03:53.039
do through our Constitution. And so, but yeah,
01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:55.340
I'm with you. And this is where I'm getting frustrated
01:03:55.340 --> 01:03:58.619
at some of the weird feedback where people think,
01:03:58.619 --> 01:04:00.739
well, you're just not worried enough about it.
01:04:00.739 --> 01:04:04.139
And I'm like, the Bible tells me to be anxious
01:04:04.139 --> 01:04:08.079
for nothing, but in everything by prayer and
01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:11.500
supplication with thanksgiving, let your requests
01:04:11.500 --> 01:04:14.800
be made known to God. And when I do that, I offload
01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:19.059
that. So I'm offloading fear and worry and and
01:04:19.059 --> 01:04:22.019
obeying Philippians chapter 4 verse 4 because
01:04:22.019 --> 01:04:24.960
the very next verse says then it actually says
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:29.440
and chi in Greek and The peace of God that passes
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:32.760
all understanding shall guard your hearts and
01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:35.940
your minds in Christ Jesus I'm living with a
01:04:35.940 --> 01:04:39.119
guarded heart and a guarded mind in Christ. So
01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:41.980
I don't have the emotional capacity or energy
01:04:41.980 --> 01:04:46.570
to be spun up Angry or afraid because my Bible
01:04:46.570 --> 01:04:51.929
tells me in the end he wins not we Kim God wins
01:04:51.929 --> 01:04:54.969
and that's where my focus is. So I'm not gonna
01:04:54.969 --> 01:04:59.250
run around hair on fire Wasting my energy and
01:04:59.250 --> 01:05:01.469
taking ten years off the back of my life for
01:05:01.469 --> 01:05:03.550
stressing about something that hasn't happened
01:05:03.550 --> 01:05:06.969
Unless you want lots of clicks and likes on Instagram
01:05:06.969 --> 01:05:10.590
YouTube etc, which is unfortunately what I feel
01:05:10.590 --> 01:05:14.989
the reason is for this type of segment that I
01:05:14.989 --> 01:05:19.329
see clipped and shared and put into newsgroups
01:05:19.329 --> 01:05:23.269
and text chains. And it always has ominous music.
01:05:24.250 --> 01:05:27.349
And it's always this is unbelievable. Look at
01:05:27.349 --> 01:05:30.469
how this lines up a bit. I've I've listened to
01:05:30.469 --> 01:05:33.869
so many end times podcasts, you know, and you're
01:05:33.869 --> 01:05:35.989
listening to more than me. I can't stomach it.
01:05:35.989 --> 01:05:40.260
Oh, well, but I'm new. And I go and listen to
01:05:40.260 --> 01:05:43.800
it and I just roll my eyes because of you're
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:45.539
my pastor, you're my friend, but you're also
01:05:45.539 --> 01:05:50.980
my pastor and you've been around the block. You're
01:05:50.980 --> 01:05:54.039
not just some newbie pastor who's jumping up
01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:57.380
and down. You have been around the block in many
01:05:57.380 --> 01:05:59.420
different churches, many different situations.
01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:02.320
I have the privilege of being able to talk to
01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:06.159
you about some of these things. and knowing where
01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:09.679
you're coming from, because in a way our vocations
01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:12.920
have not been that different when it comes to
01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:15.980
being a public figure and what that brings with
01:06:15.980 --> 01:06:20.539
it. And so when I see this, I just think, well,
01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:23.460
unfortunately, you seem to be doing this to grab
01:06:23.460 --> 01:06:25.920
attention and grab attention for what you're
01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:29.460
doing. And I don't know if pastors are doing
01:06:29.460 --> 01:06:33.340
this. may not always be intentional, and I know
01:06:33.340 --> 01:06:35.860
they're excited to talk about this comparison,
01:06:35.940 --> 01:06:39.699
but I see you. I see what the result is, and
01:06:39.699 --> 01:06:43.440
the result is not good fruit. It just never is
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:46.760
when I see this stuff. There you go. You just
01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:50.179
nailed it. You will know them by their fruit,
01:06:50.659 --> 01:06:53.739
the scripture says. Jesus was talking about those
01:06:53.739 --> 01:06:57.039
that have hearts that have been turned away or
01:06:57.039 --> 01:06:59.719
turned aside or they're not focused on him, you
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:01.940
will know them by their fruits. And I'm not calling
01:07:01.940 --> 01:07:04.579
out all these pastors in a disparaging way. I'm
01:07:04.579 --> 01:07:07.219
just saying, guys, hey guys, let's get our eyes
01:07:07.219 --> 01:07:10.440
back where it should be. When I was at TPUSA
01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:13.400
Faith Forward Pastor Summit, we talked about
01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:16.119
it last week, but what I loved about it is that
01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:18.920
there was not fear mongering there. Some people
01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:20.860
would think, man, that would be the rah rah rally
01:07:20.860 --> 01:07:24.139
for America and Trump. Everything's red. not
01:07:24.139 --> 01:07:26.059
red, white and blue, just red, but it wasn't
01:07:26.059 --> 01:07:28.860
at all. It was about the gospel, the good news
01:07:28.860 --> 01:07:32.260
of Jesus Christ. Put down your screens, pick
01:07:32.260 --> 01:07:35.059
up your Bibles, preach the truth. And that's
01:07:35.059 --> 01:07:37.500
what that whole thing was about. And I told Annette,
01:07:37.500 --> 01:07:40.300
I said, this is the best event we've been to
01:07:40.300 --> 01:07:43.099
because all the other events we've been to tend
01:07:43.099 --> 01:07:46.500
to have this, oh no, they're coming after us.
01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:48.860
Oh no, they're going to take over our country.
01:07:49.230 --> 01:07:52.329
and it's spinning pastors up. And boy, you know
01:07:52.329 --> 01:07:56.030
how this group think works. It spreads like a
01:07:56.030 --> 01:07:58.750
virus, like a fire. You know, these West Texas
01:07:58.750 --> 01:08:01.070
wildfires right now, they can't get them under
01:08:01.070 --> 01:08:03.690
control. It's the same thing. They just spread
01:08:03.690 --> 01:08:06.889
like a wildfire. And I just keep thinking, guys,
01:08:07.090 --> 01:08:10.829
we're better than this. Come on. We know better
01:08:10.829 --> 01:08:13.949
than that. We know the truth of what God has
01:08:13.949 --> 01:08:17.560
said and what He has promised. Yes. And I'm going
01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:20.159
to lean upon that and I'm going to be anxious
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:22.579
for nothing, according to his word. And we're
01:08:22.579 --> 01:08:26.000
only here for a short time. The infinite life
01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:28.880
goes on for a long time. We've got a lot more
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:31.720
to do, a lot more stuff. This is like boot camp
01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:34.359
in the Marine Corps. It's short -lived, but it's
01:08:34.359 --> 01:08:37.680
rough. But once you get through it... something
01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:41.779
is produced where you are resilient and impermeable
01:08:41.779 --> 01:08:45.539
and strong and decisive. And to me, this world,
01:08:45.619 --> 01:08:48.220
what we're in right now is boot camp and how
01:08:48.220 --> 01:08:52.100
we relate to the pressures. and the information
01:08:52.100 --> 01:08:55.079
that comes our way really belies what we're made
01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:57.960
of and who is on the throne of our life. And
01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:00.319
for those of you who are Christ curious, hop
01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:02.680
into the pool. I'm telling you, your life changes
01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:05.979
when you have trust, when you surrender and you
01:09:05.979 --> 01:09:08.800
follow these basic instructions in the manual.
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:11.560
You just feel great. You don't need a self -help
01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:14.920
book. You don't need a guru. You don't need a
01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:18.399
chat bot. You read this and like, God's got this.
01:09:18.590 --> 01:09:22.930
And come what may, his plans are for good all
01:09:22.930 --> 01:09:27.109
the time. Every generation has their things to
01:09:27.109 --> 01:09:29.510
fight, right? Every generation has got their
01:09:29.510 --> 01:09:33.539
crises. Every generation's got their epic. The
01:09:33.539 --> 01:09:36.699
world's about to end. This happens every generation.
01:09:37.300 --> 01:09:39.399
And every generation, there's people out there
01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:41.539
saying, oh, this is the book of Revelation coming
01:09:41.539 --> 01:09:44.239
to pass. This is that. This is that. And here's
01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:46.859
the deal. I hope it is because that means I'm
01:09:46.859 --> 01:09:49.220
one day closer to meeting Jesus and I'm good
01:09:49.220 --> 01:09:53.960
with that. So, if that's the case, he promises
01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:57.600
he will be with us in the fire. If the fire's
01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:00.380
coming, he will be with us. This is why you don't
01:10:00.380 --> 01:10:03.550
have to live in fear. But here's the thing, and
01:10:03.550 --> 01:10:05.710
you know this, Adam, because man, this is your
01:10:05.710 --> 01:10:09.670
world. People, when you live on a steady diet
01:10:09.670 --> 01:10:12.649
of this information and you live on a steady
01:10:12.649 --> 01:10:15.689
diet of these kinds of podcasts, these kinds
01:10:15.689 --> 01:10:19.609
of newsfeeds, you can't help but go down the
01:10:19.609 --> 01:10:22.270
rabbit hole. You can't help but go down into
01:10:22.270 --> 01:10:25.149
dark places and you start to live that way. I
01:10:25.149 --> 01:10:27.369
have countless people in our church who have
01:10:27.369 --> 01:10:31.579
come to me thanked me and vicariously thanking
01:10:31.579 --> 01:10:35.500
you for that briefing that I do every Sunday
01:10:35.500 --> 01:10:39.239
when I step up into the pulpit because it's helping
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:42.939
them take a step back, turn the volume down,
01:10:43.140 --> 01:10:45.960
step away. Of course, I'm hammering to put down
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:49.119
your screens, pick up your Bible line because
01:10:49.119 --> 01:10:53.510
it's helping them. It's helping them. And they're
01:10:53.510 --> 01:10:55.850
thanking me for it on a regular basis. So thank
01:10:55.850 --> 01:10:59.750
you, Adam, because you put all the bones together
01:10:59.750 --> 01:11:02.109
and all that, and then you send it to me. I put
01:11:02.109 --> 01:11:06.369
my spin on it. And then together, we're helping
01:11:06.369 --> 01:11:11.369
our people settle down and refocus. And we always
01:11:11.369 --> 01:11:14.409
want to help get to nation. So if there's absolutely,
01:11:14.510 --> 01:11:16.909
we just want to help you make sense of the world
01:11:16.909 --> 01:11:20.609
through scripture, through common sense, through
01:11:20.609 --> 01:11:24.369
the promise of Jesus. It'll make you feel good.
01:11:25.050 --> 01:11:26.550
You're worrying about all that stuff. It'll make
01:11:26.550 --> 01:11:29.029
it go bald. You will lose your hair. I'm telling
01:11:29.029 --> 01:11:31.130
you. This is the number one reason for hair loss.
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Let's thank some people who supported us. This
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is value for value. So whenever you think, wow,
01:11:38.390 --> 01:11:42.420
I got something out of this, we love to... receive
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The best thing you can do is tell someone about
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it when you send us value, monetary value. Now
01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:55.920
this was our, Tina came up with the promotion.
01:11:56.390 --> 01:11:59.689
This was our first anniversary. I'm 62. So she
01:11:59.689 --> 01:12:02.689
said anybody can afford a dollar and 62 cents
01:12:02.689 --> 01:12:05.689
or maybe $16 and 20 cents, but Ryan Jacobs took
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it to another level He came in with a hundred
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and sixty two dollars and eighty eight cents
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He says happy first happy one year anniversary
01:12:14.409 --> 01:12:16.810
till we get to do this and happy 60 second birthday
01:12:16.810 --> 01:12:20.069
to Adam and a toast to new beginnings. Amen I
01:12:20.069 --> 01:12:22.250
appreciate how you help keep current events in
01:12:22.250 --> 01:12:24.569
perspective and in a manner that refocuses me
01:12:24.569 --> 01:12:26.850
on my faith in Christ. Not only do we get to
01:12:26.850 --> 01:12:30.569
do this, but he's got this. HGT. There you go.
01:12:30.750 --> 01:12:32.550
Excellent. Praying for your efforts and continue
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to reach many hearts and souls. Ryan Jacobs.
01:12:34.829 --> 01:12:37.640
Thank you, Ryan. That's beautiful. Dwayne Higgins,
01:12:37.779 --> 01:12:40.920
$100, Adam and Pastor Jimmy, I really appreciate
01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:43.439
the podcast. When the news has me convinced I
01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:45.939
should be building a bunker and stockpiling canned
01:12:45.939 --> 01:12:48.640
goods, you bring some much needed perspective
01:12:48.640 --> 01:12:51.359
and remind me that the world probably isn't ending
01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:53.579
tomorrow. Thanks for the laughs, the biblical
01:12:53.579 --> 01:12:56.619
perspectives, and the sanity, Dwayne. Wiggins
01:12:56.619 --> 01:13:00.600
from And there's Michael Anastasio every single
01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:02.699
episode he comes with a hundred dollars and love
01:13:02.699 --> 01:13:05.479
you brother. Thank you He says I would love to
01:13:05.479 --> 01:13:07.960
offer the donation in the name of Cameron Knapp
01:13:07.960 --> 01:13:10.560
who last week asked for guidance and helped so
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:13.380
many others Thanks, brother. Yes, we appreciate
01:13:13.380 --> 01:13:17.680
that from camera and here's Jason Calacanis Jason
01:13:18.569 --> 01:13:22.229
hosts a very big podcast called The All In Podcast.
01:13:22.789 --> 01:13:25.289
He was your guest. He was my guest on No Agenda.
01:13:25.510 --> 01:13:29.289
I've known him since the 90s. And I knew that
01:13:29.289 --> 01:13:31.890
he was decloaking because in private messages,
01:13:31.890 --> 01:13:33.750
he was telling me that, but he did it on the
01:13:33.750 --> 01:13:37.729
show. And he said, you know, I'm a Christian.
01:13:38.789 --> 01:13:41.710
And I don't think he's ever said that publicly
01:13:41.710 --> 01:13:47.569
before. And he comes in with $88 .88. And he
01:13:47.569 --> 01:13:50.449
says, every episode makes me think about my faith
01:13:50.449 --> 01:13:53.229
a little more. I appreciate the consistency.
01:13:54.189 --> 01:13:56.970
All right. Thanks, brother. Thank you, Jason.
01:13:57.069 --> 01:14:00.710
Appreciate that. Darius Walker with his 7714.
01:14:01.130 --> 01:14:03.350
He says, Adam, glad you got the book. Yes, I
01:14:03.350 --> 01:14:06.920
received your book. Love God, love people. Live
01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:10.060
Jesus see email with note and then he has a long
01:14:10.060 --> 01:14:12.119
note. We read most of that I think on the previous
01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:15.819
episode Thanks, Pastor Darius Yes, pastor brother.
01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:19.760
That's right. Joe Clemon sixty two and one cent
01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:22.579
reverse it. I like that did it backwards Happy
01:14:22.579 --> 01:14:25.500
birthday, Adam62. Happy anniversary to the podcast,
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O1. I just started listening and appreciate the
01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:30.079
effort and the value I get. I look forward to
01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:32.260
many more, Sir Joe. You bet, Sir Joe. That's
01:14:32.260 --> 01:14:35.819
great. Shawna Lawrence, $50. No, no, this may
01:14:35.819 --> 01:14:37.819
be a subscription, but we're going to read all
01:14:37.819 --> 01:14:40.640
of them anyway until they get too long. May that
01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:43.939
last a long time. Look who, Damonette Pruitt
01:14:43.939 --> 01:14:47.319
comes in with $50. What's up with that? She's
01:14:47.319 --> 01:14:49.079
donating to the show. Hey, she loves the program.
01:14:49.300 --> 01:14:51.359
She likes the show. That's awesome. I love that.
01:14:51.619 --> 01:14:53.619
Value for value, man. She got something out of
01:14:53.619 --> 01:14:55.760
the last one. She liked it. Thank you, Damonette.
01:14:56.180 --> 01:15:02.090
Ex Vermonters, $50. No note. Ryan Albritton,
01:15:02.130 --> 01:15:05.069
$50, no note. Your notes can be sent to notes
01:15:05.069 --> 01:15:10.310
at WGTDT .com. It's all laid out perfectly on
01:15:10.310 --> 01:15:15.869
our donation website, WGTDTdonations .com. Owen
01:15:15.869 --> 01:15:21.250
McEntee, $33 .62 and he has a note. Dear Adam
01:15:21.250 --> 01:15:23.470
and Pastor Jimmy, just a note to say happy birthday,
01:15:23.670 --> 01:15:25.550
Adam. Congratulations on becoming a grandfather
01:15:25.550 --> 01:15:29.489
as well as our pod father and congrats to WGTDT
01:15:29.489 --> 01:15:32.170
for one year on the air. It's flowing off the
01:15:32.170 --> 01:15:35.250
tongue much easier these days. WGTDT. It is.
01:15:36.909 --> 01:15:40.930
3362 is 33 ding ding, but also Jesus's time on
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earth and 62 to commemorate your birthday. That's
01:15:44.270 --> 01:15:46.609
about $5 ,000 Australian dollars. I'm just kidding.
01:15:47.130 --> 01:15:49.619
I guess it's from Australia. I was so pleased
01:15:49.619 --> 01:15:52.239
to hear of your salvation, Adam, as I came across
01:15:52.239 --> 01:15:55.220
Noagenda back in 2019 via the Revelations radio
01:15:55.220 --> 01:15:58.020
news podcast. I've been an avid Noagenda listener
01:15:58.020 --> 01:16:02.140
ever since and only recently to WGTDT. After
01:16:02.140 --> 01:16:04.600
seven years, I too shed a tear when our beloved
01:16:04.600 --> 01:16:07.579
JCD passed away. Those memorial episodes were
01:16:07.579 --> 01:16:09.619
so heartfelt and the words of love and faith
01:16:09.619 --> 01:16:11.680
were amazing. I agree. There was a lot of them
01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:15.020
in the notes. I pray your faith made an impact
01:16:15.020 --> 01:16:17.779
on him so we can see JCD again in heaven someday.
01:16:17.939 --> 01:16:22.180
No kidding. This WGTDT podcast is so inspiring.
01:16:22.380 --> 01:16:25.039
I love Pastor Jimmy's prayers, devotionals, and
01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:27.460
life stories. And to hear Adam's questions about
01:16:27.460 --> 01:16:29.699
faith, the Bible, and your genuine love for Christ
01:16:29.699 --> 01:16:32.260
as a young believer, it's so uplifting. Keep
01:16:32.260 --> 01:16:33.939
up the great work, my brothers in Christ, and
01:16:33.939 --> 01:16:37.220
may God bless you and the doers out there. In
01:16:37.220 --> 01:16:40.300
Christ, Owen McEntee from Melbourne, Australia.
01:16:41.319 --> 01:16:44.880
Thank Rocky Thomas again for her 29 13. We read
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the note Aaron Barry $16 20 cents. Happy birthday.
01:16:49.100 --> 01:16:52.859
Thank you Stephen Reginald Reginald, I think
01:16:52.859 --> 01:16:56.579
16 and 20. I love what I love what Adam and PJ,
01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:59.279
PJ, there he goes, are doing. Keep it up. I never
01:16:59.279 --> 01:17:02.640
miss my podcast. Mike Reginald. Thank you. Cole
01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:06.899
Dial 1620. Happy birthday. Thank you. Tom Stanuszewski
01:17:06.899 --> 01:17:09.619
$16 .20. Happy birthday, Adam. Thank you for
01:17:09.619 --> 01:17:11.819
doing this podcast. Well, it's the two of us.
01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:14.779
If you can get Tom Luongo to co -host No Agenda
01:17:14.779 --> 01:17:17.479
one of these days, that would be awesome. Okay.
01:17:18.020 --> 01:17:21.850
Yeah. It's getting tougher to find people to
01:17:21.850 --> 01:17:26.149
do the show with. Nicholas Stark sent us $5.
01:17:26.430 --> 01:17:28.829
Thank you, Nicholas. Dwayne Spellman Jr., he
01:17:28.829 --> 01:17:34.510
did $1 .53. I think that's his sustaining donation.
01:17:34.930 --> 01:17:37.310
We appreciate that. And thank you all so much
01:17:37.310 --> 01:17:40.090
for supporting. We get to do this, our one year
01:17:40.090 --> 01:17:42.729
anniversary. I've been waiting to do this because
01:17:42.729 --> 01:17:44.850
I never did it on any of the other podcasts.
01:17:45.149 --> 01:17:50.310
You can set a season and an episode. The next
01:17:50.310 --> 01:17:53.869
show that we do will be season two, episode one.
01:17:54.010 --> 01:17:56.149
I'm so excited for that to pop up in all the
01:17:56.149 --> 01:17:58.909
podcast apps. That's cool. You can get us anywhere
01:17:58.909 --> 01:18:02.329
podcasts are consumed, of course. We'd love for
01:18:02.329 --> 01:18:05.470
you to... take a look at all of the podcasts
01:18:05.470 --> 01:18:09.550
on Bridge Radio at bridgefbg .com. You can also
01:18:09.550 --> 01:18:12.970
get the Godcaster app and find it there. And
01:18:12.970 --> 01:18:15.430
keep telling people about, we get to do this.
01:18:15.670 --> 01:18:18.069
It is part of our mission, part of the Great
01:18:18.069 --> 01:18:20.569
Commission and we love doing it. It's awesome.
01:18:21.250 --> 01:18:24.449
Hey, I got a couple of notes and I think you
01:18:24.449 --> 01:18:28.880
got these too. So from Paul. Jesty or Gesty from
01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:32.640
Adelaide, Australia. I do a terrible Australian.
01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:34.380
So anyway, he says, in the morning to you both
01:18:34.380 --> 01:18:36.739
or in the afternoon. In my case, I want to pass
01:18:36.739 --> 01:18:39.420
along my deepest condolences to you, Adam, and
01:18:39.420 --> 01:18:41.380
to John's family. So it's a beautiful thing there.
01:18:41.439 --> 01:18:42.840
He writes a beautiful note. And then he says
01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:45.319
this, I'm Catholic. Please don't, I love his
01:18:45.319 --> 01:18:47.460
sense of humor, by the way. I'm Catholic. Please
01:18:47.460 --> 01:18:50.020
don't hold that against me. And recently returned
01:18:50.020 --> 01:18:52.659
to the church after a long hiatus. He talks about
01:18:52.659 --> 01:18:55.119
his daughter, Maddie was having some health issues
01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:57.909
and that actually he brought his attention back
01:18:57.909 --> 01:19:01.609
to God. He says, during that time, my family
01:19:01.609 --> 01:19:04.229
and friends across different parishes and Christian
01:19:04.229 --> 01:19:07.909
faiths lifted up our family in prayer. And I
01:19:07.909 --> 01:19:09.529
still discover people from all over in certain
01:19:09.529 --> 01:19:11.430
circles who are praying for us. And so he says
01:19:11.430 --> 01:19:13.789
this, that Maddie's doing well now, about to
01:19:13.789 --> 01:19:16.829
turn 13. And he says this, he says, since her
01:19:16.829 --> 01:19:19.569
recovery, Maddie, my youngest daughter, Georgie,
01:19:19.710 --> 01:19:22.850
and I attend mass every Sunday afternoon at 5pm
01:19:22.850 --> 01:19:25.899
at our local parish. Coming back to Mass has
01:19:25.899 --> 01:19:28.640
truly felt like coming home. I also pray regularly
01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:31.460
that my beautiful wife will come with us as well
01:19:31.460 --> 01:19:33.979
at some point. And he talks about a little bit
01:19:33.979 --> 01:19:36.000
of things about some of the things we've talked
01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:37.699
about. And he says on a brighter note, I want
01:19:37.699 --> 01:19:40.460
to thank you immensely for this podcast. It speaks
01:19:40.460 --> 01:19:43.220
to me deeply, regardless of denomination, what
01:19:43.220 --> 01:19:46.079
matters most is that we as Christians love Jesus
01:19:46.079 --> 01:19:49.140
and God and stand united. It always frustrates
01:19:49.140 --> 01:19:51.220
me when different branches get caught up in arguing
01:19:51.220 --> 01:19:53.680
over trivial differences. Me too, brother. Yeah,
01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:58.420
no kidding. He says, happy 62nd birthday, Adam.
01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:01.279
I hope you have a fantastic day and congratulations
01:20:01.279 --> 01:20:04.140
on becoming a grandparent, Paul. Yes. Jesse,
01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:07.779
very cool. Got another note, a nice note from
01:20:07.779 --> 01:20:11.020
Kelly and Sarah. I think you probably know them.
01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:15.619
Yes, Dame Sarah of the Fraser Valley. Wrote a
01:20:15.619 --> 01:20:19.619
beautiful note, just encouraging for lack of
01:20:19.619 --> 01:20:24.300
an official WGTDT greeting. We got to fix that.
01:20:24.600 --> 01:20:26.420
She says, I defaulted to you in the morning.
01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:29.100
So thankfully, Jimmy's a member of No Agenda
01:20:29.100 --> 01:20:32.039
Nation, so it works. We're taking suggestions,
01:20:32.060 --> 01:20:34.199
by the way. There you go. That's right. We want
01:20:34.199 --> 01:20:36.560
you guys to help us create the culture and the
01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:39.399
community around this. So just beautiful. Just
01:20:39.399 --> 01:20:41.960
talked a little bit about the episodes around
01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:44.539
John DeVorek's passing and how encouraging that
01:20:44.539 --> 01:20:48.260
was. Talked about some surgery issues. And then
01:20:48.260 --> 01:20:51.289
she says that... I'm not sure which one says
01:20:51.289 --> 01:20:53.390
this. Jimmy, I've told Adam in a couple of previous
01:20:53.390 --> 01:20:56.149
emails from me, listening to podcasts develops
01:20:56.149 --> 01:20:58.489
strange but wonderful, one -sided friendships.
01:20:59.210 --> 01:21:01.069
I feel like I know Adam well. I've listened to
01:21:01.069 --> 01:21:03.710
No Agenda for almost six years. I started listening
01:21:03.710 --> 01:21:05.689
to Curry and the Keeper, though I'm still behind
01:21:05.689 --> 01:21:08.130
on the episodes. I got to know Tina through that,
01:21:08.489 --> 01:21:11.109
and then that introduced me to you and Annette.
01:21:11.310 --> 01:21:13.569
and started listening to Living Up and Down World.
01:21:13.970 --> 01:21:16.170
Another great show. She's still behind on the
01:21:16.170 --> 01:21:18.470
episodes. Through all of this, I feel like I'm
01:21:18.470 --> 01:21:20.890
getting to know you too, but you don't know me
01:21:20.890 --> 01:21:22.750
at all. It's a weird way to be friends with people,
01:21:22.770 --> 01:21:25.550
but it's still very enjoyable. And it's true.
01:21:25.789 --> 01:21:28.210
I mean, it does feel like a one -sided thing,
01:21:28.250 --> 01:21:31.109
but it's really not. Because though we may not
01:21:31.109 --> 01:21:34.550
have met you yet, I'd love to at a meetup or
01:21:34.550 --> 01:21:36.850
something. Yeah, I mean, we get to connect that
01:21:36.850 --> 01:21:40.050
way. But it really is a give and take relationship
01:21:40.050 --> 01:21:42.909
that happens. And thank God for technology. It's
01:21:42.909 --> 01:21:46.250
good for some things, right? I feel that a podcast
01:21:46.250 --> 01:21:50.609
is truly a podcast when you have the feedback
01:21:50.609 --> 01:21:54.630
loop. That's what makes it work. And that's forgotten
01:21:54.630 --> 01:21:59.069
so many times. And I find it's always a shame
01:21:59.069 --> 01:22:03.069
when I see... Joe Rogan just looks at things
01:22:03.069 --> 01:22:06.970
differently than I do. The community is in the
01:22:06.970 --> 01:22:11.390
YouTube comments and he's not there. And that's
01:22:11.390 --> 01:22:13.949
what I love, especially about you, brother, is
01:22:13.949 --> 01:22:17.310
at WGTDT .com, which goes straight to our sub
01:22:17.310 --> 01:22:20.710
stack. That's where people are engaging and there's
01:22:20.710 --> 01:22:23.789
commenting and you're in there and Tina's reading
01:22:23.789 --> 01:22:27.420
along. love doing that. And I love this feedback
01:22:27.420 --> 01:22:29.819
loop that we do on the air. It just makes so
01:22:29.819 --> 01:22:31.760
much sense. That's what it's about. And that's
01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:34.220
why I wanted to call these guys out because I
01:22:34.220 --> 01:22:36.500
just so appreciate that they take time. These
01:22:36.500 --> 01:22:38.840
are long notes. I mean, and they even apologize
01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:40.680
for them being long, but don't. I mean, thank
01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:43.420
you for sharing slices of your life with us.
01:22:43.699 --> 01:22:47.689
It helps us. know who we're talking to and it
01:22:47.689 --> 01:22:51.409
gives us a picture of you. And so when we're
01:22:51.409 --> 01:22:54.189
doing these podcasts, your names come across
01:22:54.189 --> 01:22:58.789
our minds. I love this. It says, Adam, all the
01:22:58.789 --> 01:23:00.489
times you've talked about how you can look back
01:23:00.489 --> 01:23:03.050
and see your steps are always ordered and things
01:23:03.050 --> 01:23:05.270
were put into place to bring you where you are
01:23:05.270 --> 01:23:08.449
today. Go podcasting. It says, I think of you
01:23:08.449 --> 01:23:11.350
every time I hear this song. Now, Jimmy, I think
01:23:11.350 --> 01:23:13.029
it's a good one for you too. You may have heard
01:23:13.029 --> 01:23:15.239
it before, Trumpet of Jesus by Russ staff from
01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:17.560
1994. It's a classic. Oh, I got to look it up.
01:23:17.600 --> 01:23:20.500
I definitely know that. Yeah, it's classic. And
01:23:20.500 --> 01:23:22.500
so anyway, it says, thank you for your courage
01:23:22.500 --> 01:23:24.619
and God bless you both. So that's Dame Sarah
01:23:24.619 --> 01:23:27.159
of the Frasier Valley. Thank you, Dame Sarah.
01:23:27.180 --> 01:23:30.680
We also got to just be an equal opportunity here,
01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:33.340
maybe an equal opportunity offender at times.
01:23:33.640 --> 01:23:38.600
Here's the deal. I appreciate Mohamed Hamad wrote
01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:41.420
us, and he's the one you were referring to earlier.
01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:44.920
And I just really appreciate that he took time
01:23:44.920 --> 01:23:48.359
to write us. And it's so, I'm reading it, it's
01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:51.340
delightful. And he gets some clarity on the men
01:23:51.340 --> 01:23:54.640
that we're doing, coming into the Spanish property
01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:57.180
and all that, which I love. And he even talks
01:23:57.180 --> 01:23:59.880
about his own frustration with his own people.
01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:02.500
You know what I'm saying? Because the same thing
01:24:02.500 --> 01:24:05.340
is for us. I mean, we've got Christians out there
01:24:05.340 --> 01:24:07.779
that are idiots sometimes, and they do stupid
01:24:07.779 --> 01:24:10.619
stuff. They do. And all we want to do is tell
01:24:10.619 --> 01:24:14.020
the world, that's not us, you know? And so, that's
01:24:14.020 --> 01:24:15.920
kind of what Muhammad's doing with his. Well,
01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:17.300
Muhammad's doing, yeah. Yep, exactly. He's a
01:24:17.300 --> 01:24:19.260
great guy, though, and I really appreciate it.
01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:21.739
So, and, you know, he ends just saying, hey,
01:24:21.800 --> 01:24:24.340
God bless, man. Yeah. Just appreciate it. So,
01:24:24.420 --> 01:24:26.960
thank you, Muhammad, for riding us and hanging
01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:29.479
in there with us. Yes. When you could go do something
01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:31.859
different. Darius Walker wrote, again, you know,
01:24:31.859 --> 01:24:34.079
just talking about his. I have a mutual friend
01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:36.939
with him, Larry Ice, who wrote the book I think
01:24:36.939 --> 01:24:39.199
you were talking about. He sent me a copy as
01:24:39.199 --> 01:24:41.859
well. And I just so appreciate those guys, but
01:24:41.859 --> 01:24:44.359
I just wanted to call their names out because
01:24:44.359 --> 01:24:47.300
I just appreciate value for value is not just
01:24:47.300 --> 01:24:50.239
about resources. Resources are who you are. It's
01:24:50.239 --> 01:24:53.779
your notes. It's your feedback. It's your contributions
01:24:53.779 --> 01:24:56.560
in terms of, hey, let's call this doers. Let's
01:24:56.560 --> 01:24:59.729
be, we get to nation. We're listening and we
01:24:59.729 --> 01:25:01.689
just want to say thank you for writing in. Joe
01:25:01.689 --> 01:25:03.729
Rojas is another one that sent a great note in.
01:25:04.109 --> 01:25:07.229
So we just appreciate you guys and we're doing
01:25:07.229 --> 01:25:10.350
this because of you. We're doing this because
01:25:10.350 --> 01:25:12.670
we say we get to do this, but we really mean
01:25:12.670 --> 01:25:15.850
that for us. This is joyful for us. This doesn't
01:25:15.850 --> 01:25:19.329
work. We're taking time. I'm remote, Adam's remote,
01:25:19.329 --> 01:25:21.930
but we're taking time because it's important
01:25:21.930 --> 01:25:25.630
to us to help people and do all we can. Wow.
01:25:25.729 --> 01:25:28.869
Land it for me, brother. You're on a roll. All
01:25:28.869 --> 01:25:31.050
right. Well, listen, I want to share something
01:25:31.050 --> 01:25:33.810
I wrote this morning. I do thing called the daily
01:25:33.810 --> 01:25:36.970
grind. You can find it on our, actually on my
01:25:36.970 --> 01:25:39.590
sub stack. I put them on there every day. And
01:25:39.590 --> 01:25:42.350
I called this today. I think this may help some
01:25:42.350 --> 01:25:44.960
of you who are praying because a lot of our people
01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:47.739
that are Christ curious and coming back to faith
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say the same things where, you know, I'm praying,
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but I don't know if God's really hearing me.
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And so I called this before you see the answer.
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And super simple, Colossians 4 .2 says, continue
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steadfastly in prayer, being watchful in it with
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thanksgiving. And here's the daily grind. It's
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this, in Paul's letter to the Colossian Christians,
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he explains how the gospel transforms everyday
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relationships and priorities. He now turns to
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the church's outward mission. Prayer is not an
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afterthought. Prayer is the spiritual foundation
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for the proclamation of the gospel. No prayer,
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no power. No intercession, which is another kind
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of prayer, no impact. No entreaty, no effect.
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We are to be expectant with gratitude, trusting
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that God hears our prayers. Now here's your assignment
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for the day. Spend time praying and thanking
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God for the answer before you see it come to
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pass. That's called faith. So in faith, celebrate
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as though it's already done. And here's the prayer
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and I'll end with this. Father, I thank you in
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advance for hearing my prayers and are already
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setting the answers in motion. In Jesus' name,
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Amen. Amen. Brother, I'll see you next week in
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the studio at the church. Yes, sir. Looking forward
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to it. Remember, we get to do this.