Ep 221 - Breaking Billy (PREDATOR)

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That'side smell. Oh that would be me.
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I've been swimming in raw sewage.
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I love it. I love it.
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Hey, fun fans, it's we enjoy. We've got Predator from
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nineteen eighty seven in the main event today. Well in
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the main event. It is the main event. We switched
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our format so it's just the main event. We have
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the mattitude. Eric, I'm Matt Fowler. Say hello Eric, World
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of Hurt Goldman, and then Eric introduced Brent Ain't got
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time to bleed. Simon's well, I mean, how do I
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do it?
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How do I do?
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Give it exactly as I do it, exactly as I say,
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Hello everybody.
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Great to be here and great to have our longtime friend,
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a longtime referenced on this podcast because he's been around
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for so much. Uh mega mind. Co screenwriter Brent Simon's
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welcome Brent to the podcast.
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Oh, thank you so much.
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I feel like I was like the first listener of
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the podcast because I listened to you guys before.
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There was a podcast.
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It just I was I was just in the car,
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like I've just been in the actual physical vicinity of
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YouTube being loud and annoying.
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So it's and you were like would you guys shut
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the hell up or record this.
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Mike either well, even sponsors would come in occasionally, but
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it was the same exact. But but I think, and
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I think the listeners need to know this. As long
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as I've known you guys, you've been very good friends.
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It's not fake like Hall and Oates or Vin Diesel
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and the Rock. Like you, you two genuinely care about
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each other for the most part.
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It's not like that recent interview with Cheech and Chong
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or Chong's we don't really like each other, but we
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make more buddy when we're together. Like you said it
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with cheefs standing next to him.
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I'd like to believe that these that I like to
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believe that these at least two of the three of
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these duos you've mentioned like each other at some point
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and then had a huge falling out which.
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Which yeah, which is coming with you guys. I mean,
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we all see it. It's on the horizon. But now I'll.
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Tell you what.
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It started with him wanting to put an E at
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the end of us and yes, I know, and making
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it look like because here's the issue, we needed to
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we need the correct vowel sound. And it looks like
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yaus now. And we also need the correct s sound
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because use and use, because whether it's a Z sound
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or an S sound, this is all chaos.
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And no, no, no, Brent likes gangster movies, so mobster movies.
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So here's the thing. Use use guys, use guys. Would
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you write that, Brent, your screenwriter? Would you write that
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with an E at the end. It's not a real word.
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Use is not a real word. But if you put
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it in the script and he said, hey, use guys
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at the end or.
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Not, well, if I was writing a twenties gangster movie, yeah, yeah, maybe.
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I'm just saying, Brent, what's the plural if you had
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to pluralize the word you?
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But would you do being attacked?
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And we're not actually going to talk about Predator today.
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We're gonna actually ask you. We're going to ask your
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we're going to ask your writing partner after this too
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and see if you guys have the same answer.
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And we're going to try to cause a riff between
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you guys if possible. And then Alan could talk about
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how I don't really like Red but I'm forced to work.
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With it all it'll make more money together with our marijuana.
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Humor, which you see in Penguins about Yes, yes, if
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you see, but it's also the main thing they're speaking.
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Of, speaking of an elite unit in a jungle like
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Penguins of Madagascar. Let's talk about predators as because there are,
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because you know, the penguins were a military rescue team.
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Also, who was the billy of Penguins? A vatic gascar?
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Let's see that would be.
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I feel like, yeah, well, like Skipper was like at
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least three of the characters, you know, rolled into one. Yeah,
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because Skipper was Dutch and Dylan combined. Oh absolutely, nineteen
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eighty seven Predator. Let's talk about how awesome this movie is,
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how much it holds up, how great it is as
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a first time feature. For John mccernanel.
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Quite differently about this movie than I do. What no
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I was, I'm just gonna crap on it.
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Oh Jesus my god, wow, Predator. I mean that'll get
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you canceled. But yeah, okay, So John McTernan, who had
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an amazing twentieth century a horrible twenty first century, we
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don't want to talk too much about it, but yes,
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and how it like blended genres in a very effective
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and amazing way. And one of the things that drew
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Schwarzenegger to the script was how it started off as,
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like he stated, a basic action divintion movie, and then
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it threw in horror and sci fi elements throughout and
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it just aired perfectly. I also wonder how this movie
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would feel if we didn't see the spaceship landing in
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the opening, you know what I mean, like like, yeah,
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it truly kept catches people by surprise, but you probably
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did need that, especially in eighty seven.
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I know that Get's mentioned a lot, like, hey, I
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some people are like, hey, I prefer if they didn't
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share the spaceship. My only thing I would say is
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we still see the infrared point of view. I don't know,
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like seventeen minutes in, so I feel like.
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There's thought it was like thirty no.
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No, the first just the just the infrared, like okay,
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so I it's I do think, Hey, there is a
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drastically different edit of this movie where they even hold
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back on that and it's it's just the skinned people,
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what's happening. But I think it works the way it does.
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But even the infrared, you can be like, oh, someone's
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got night vision goggles or something like that, you can
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still maybe think it's a human. Brent. We've asked you
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to join us for this because Predator is one of
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your favorite movies. What do you love about this movie?
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Yeah, so I was I was at the right age
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to see this.
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I think I was. I was in sixth grade. I
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had my first two R rated movies were Rambo and Aliens,
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and this was a combination of both those movies.
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And yeah, I was a huge Shortzenegger film, a fan.
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And uh, I gotta say, like, it's my favorite Shortzenegra movie.
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Good choice. I think it's. I also think it's probably
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his most important movie. I think it really defined him,
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like going forward. And yeah, I was all in, Like
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I love I loved the dark Horse comics.
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I was obsessed with those at the time. The first
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story I submitted and got a rejection letter for was
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a Predator story I sent dark Horse Comics.
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But yeah, yeah, I'm a I'm a big fan.
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You big Predator head.
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Yeah, I think a McTiernan. Yeah, it's like it's so amazing,
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like the fact that he has this movie and die
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Hard back to back years unbelievable. And I think this movie, Yeah,
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this is such a cool movie, and also as much
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as die Hard gets rightful credit for how fantastic it is,
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and also how in the midst of the what we'll
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call the Rambo eighties, which is like these bigger than
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life action heroes, you know, people rightfully credit die Hard
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for being like a much different type of action hero,
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much more relatable, down to earth human, you know, hurt
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bleeding thinks he's gonna die. But I feel like Pretor
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is a nice stepping stone because as much as Swarsenager
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is full buff, badass Sworshnager, the whole thing of this
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movie is that that won't save them and that he
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gets to still be you know, especially if you compared
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to this, to say, Commando, which is the movie that
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feels like it's the most like, hey, what if the
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guy from Commando was in this situation? But this movie
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gets to deconstruct that in a lot of ways. Because
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he's not gonna be able to beat him with any
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of his strength. He's gonna have to out with him.
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And even the way it ends, I was like, even
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ending with him on that helicopter looking so like he
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went through some shit, like it like, it feels different
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than what we were getting at that time as far
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as like even some of the other Schwarzenegger movies that
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were just like to the point that it's a little
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distracting when he does one or two of the Arnold puns.
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But I still like it because it's early on in
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the movie.
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It's it's funny because yeah, sorry, Brent, go ahead, Oh well.
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Yeah, that's interesting to hear you say that Schwarzenegger broke
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that down himself, of like, because I remember thinking that
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it's like.
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Yeah, this movie starts off like the ending of Commando.
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Yeah, and then it's an hour of him getting his
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ass kicked, you know, like it's a vulnerability we did
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not see at that time and him being taken down
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on you.
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Know, like yeah, especially now, even though we sort of
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circled back to that with like, you know, years back
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with Hobbs and Shaw, which is like the Rock and
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Stathams punch writers. You know, it's like you can't punch
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me unless I kick you, and no one can lose
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a fight, and you know, and like everything has to
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be perfectly balanced, and we came out of that yet
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in this movie. Yeah, there were even when the Predator.
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First of all, I love predators I love the movies.
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They're little bitches. They're like, well, I'm going to go
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to a planet and be invisible and shoot people from
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secret and I'm like, I'm going to use this tech
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that they don't have. Uh So they fucking predators cheat
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and we need to address that. But I'll also say,
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like like in the end, when the predator's like, oh,
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I respect you. I'm going to take off my mask.
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We're just going to fight, he still wasn't going to
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beat the predator in a fight. He wasn't gonna body
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slam this guy. And this guy kicked his ass even
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just without the cheating weapons, and in what it was like, Yeah,
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see the hero get his ass beat before, like just
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by you know, the skin of his teeth. He pulls
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out of victory at the end, and that wasn't something
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that we were used to from Rambow or stallone and
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stuff like that. And his run I will say, I
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guess from like Conan to like T two, but even
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his nineties were successful. But like that run of like Terminator,
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you know, Running Man, Kindergarten, Cop Twins, you know, total
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recall this movie like it was just a just great
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sci fi hits and then like dive into comedies that
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were also huge. So this was I think peque Schwarzenegger.
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So I was fast.
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I was kind of curious about this. I started looking
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it up last night, and I was it was interesting
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to find out this was his biggest hit to this point,
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just under one hundred million dollars. But can you guys
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guess offhand what was his biggest hit of the eighties,
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not of his career, but of the eighties and his
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notable run that you know kick you know, started so strong?
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What movie of has made the most money?
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Was it Kindergarten Cop?
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Nope, but you're on the right track.
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Was that still eighties though?
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No?
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That was that was nineteen ninety okay, and.
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It was it wasn't Hercules Bananas.
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It was not. I'll just say it was Twins.
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Which is yeah, oh yeah, it was huge.
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Twins was his first movie to make two hundred million dollars.
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So I just think that is funny that it's like, yeah,
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like he's he's you know, after Terminator, he becomes this
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big star, but his movies aren't like the number one
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movies of the year. They're just they're money makers. They
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are successful movies. This is his Predators' biggest hit to date,
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but then the next year twins Massive and then it's
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actually kind of the early nineties. It was interesting to
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me to notice as like, oh, total recall T two
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true lies. This is when his movies are now regularly
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making like multiple you know, two hundred four hundred, five
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hundred million dollars. So yeah, this is this movie is
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I think, yeah, a pretty important one for him as
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far as getting to that next level. Yeah, showing where
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he's going back to sci fi after Terminator, which is
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a very good genre for him. He'll running Man a
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few months after this, so yeah, yeah, I think this
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movie is, yeah, deserves a lot of credit in a
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lot of whizz.
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I yeah, I feel like that moment, you know, towards
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the end of the movie where he's standing on that
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log covered in mud and he does the tarzi and yell,
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I feel that's also Schwarzenegger saying I own the box
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office for the next dec this.
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I've found my niche here, this is all mine. Stay
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awayte alone.
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That's what the subtitles say.
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Actually yeah, yeah, Because at this point Stallone had sort
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of dropped off and was like still making movies, but
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they weren't hits, like they weren't you know nothing.
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This is this is this is one of his down
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periods before he'll come back for Yeah, although it is
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it is as you know, that's true and not true, Matt,
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because it's the year after Rocky four, which is his
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last massive hit for a while. Yea, So he had
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just met so Carl Weathers had just been in Rocky
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four with him a few months before. But then it'll
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kind of a down period for Stallone for a little bit.
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Well, I think it was like even the next year,
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right that Rambo three and Red Heat came out and
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so everybody and Red Heat was a was a hit,
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and Rambo three was a big disappointment, you know, like
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and and it was like yeah, like Schwarzenegger is now ahead.
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Of him, you know, and yeah, yeah, and to go
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back to the director thing. Like also it was kind
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of here right where it's like he had just worked
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with Cameron who was like a new director and now
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you know McTiernan, and it's it started kind of this
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wave of like Schwarzenegger's going to work with the best directors,
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and Stallone was famous for directing himself even when there
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was another director.
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Right, Yeah, he's got a stooge. He's sort of got
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a puppet you've never heard of, like like in the
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director role, but he just does it himself.
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Yeah, yeah, but yeah, you're right. The Schwarzenegger, Yeah, was
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like always very savvy with these people he's working with.
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And it was funny because, uh, this was yeah Turn,
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It's only a second movie after Nomads, so it was
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a big project to give him and by all accounts,
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a very not the most pleasant shoot. But man did
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it all come together.
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And the jungle, the jungle like comes so alive in
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that movie, Like there's when.
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You watch it, it's just like there's there's really a sense.
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Of atmosphere, yes, that you don't see in a lot
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of movies.
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You hear the Predator throughout the entire movie.
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There's like little audio teases way before we meet him.
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You know, something's out there hunting these things.
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The Alan Silvestri score mixed with the sound design of
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like you said, like the predator growl or purr or
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whatever it's called, mixed with the flipping on sound of
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the infrared, you know, the predator vision sound. And then
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like also his audio captures of people, right like the
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things that he uses in a certain way to like
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even like he can replicate it himself, but we hear
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like everyone's dialogue echo through his own helmet in a
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certain way, and it all just lends itself to this
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amazing like, Yeah, it was a grueling shoot, and it
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looks grueling, and that's sort of a part of what
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makes the film work too. It's a lean film. It's
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a simple film, and it's not a film you expect
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to be sort of to meta deconstruct the action genre
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because the eric you mentioned, like the Schwarzenegger equips in
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the beginning, that whole opening action sequence with like evading
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the gorilla base is like a Chuck Norris missing in
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action American ninja style Eighties just one sided good guy massacre,
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you know, like and this to demonstrate how badass these
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eighties action heroes are and how much we're going to
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enjoy seeing them taken out slasher movie style for the
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second half of the movie. And that's when he gets
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his like stick around and knock knock and stuff like that.
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And I think that's like it's amazing like subtle commentary
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that I don't think people even really fully picked up
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on back in the eighties when we were watching it,
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you know.
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No, it's interesting to read that a lot of the
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reviews were very mixed at the time. I think this
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is definitely one of those movies that has been more
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appreciated with some time, you know, with passage of time
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and seeing it wasn't just another one of those shoot
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him ups, and Brent, like you mentioned the atmosphere of it,
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and it really is impressive. I was thinking about it
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watching last night. I'm like, yeah, he does a really
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good job McTiernan of changing it gradually as the movie
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goes along, because by the end, when he's on the
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run and hiding, it really plays much more like full
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horror movie. It's lit, dark and moody, and it's a
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very different vibe than we were getting early on, when
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it's like soldiers in jungle kicking ass. Yeah, I really
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like that shifts.
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Like this movie as Arnold as the final girl like
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this is.
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Yeah, no, absolutely like and he's following in Ripley's footsteps,
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you know, like he didn't see guys our many macho
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heroes running like this.
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You know, it's it's uh and in this much trouble.
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That's a good point bringing up aliens, because that was
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the whole thing, is that we were supposed to feel
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safe with the Space Marines and then we see them
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just get their asses handed to them in this giant
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ambush and taken out and see them also freak out
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like they were these sort of like overconfident macho ombres
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and like they like would piss themselves and ship their pants.
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And then Hudson like has his famous freakouts and so
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all of a sudden, we're like, oh, no one's safe
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and they are actually a bunch of like bozos who
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can't deal with this here though they give us this
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action scene to show us that they're amazing, and then
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it sort of picks them apart.
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Yeah.
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John Mcenternan as an action director, just what rewatching that hole?
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Like they just blow up the entire fucking village scene.
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That's amazing action. Like even for like the cut and
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paste standard eighties action of like people mow down my
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machine guns, tons of grenades with people flipping the big
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grenade flips that the people would do to blow them
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out and they'd fall in the water or whatnot, it
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was still amazingly done. And the adding of the mini
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gun like everything is that action scene is so much
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better than it even needed to be, like for a
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Black Ops invasion of a gorilla camp, you know, I.
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Mean, it's funny. On one hand, it's funny because it
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is we established at the beginning that they are a
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rescue unit, which is why he turned down a job
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in Libya that was like assassin base. Now, of course
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you can laugh about the fact that they're a rescue
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unit that just absolutely decimates this last but of course.
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They are.
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Yeah, they are not the stealth rescue unit.
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They're not like.
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If I had to pull, if I had to pull
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on a single thread here of like the conflict between
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Dutch and Dylan where it's like we turn like it
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turns out that Dylan's like played them or lied to
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them doesn't really land solidly because of that, which is
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to say like he's like, we don't do this kind
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of thing, like what blow up entire villages? You just
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did it right, because he's like, I lied to you
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to get you here. Well what was he getting them
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there for? Well, we wanted to invade. We were trying
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to find this gorilla camp so that they wouldn't invade whatever.
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South American or Central American country. This is supposed to be.
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They never mention it, but there's two countries because it's
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a border, and there was going to be an invasions
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and it was Gold War, so the Russians were helping
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these gorillas. Well that was he wasn't an assassination mission.
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But like Dutches's team would have turned that down. Hey,
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the Russians are going to invade this country. They're like, no, thanks, like,
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but we rescue cabinet.
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I was going to say that, I think I really
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think that Dutch Schwarzenegger's character is just mad that Carl
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Weather's wear his ties because he's so like when he
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flips it when they like, what's his fucking die business?
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And it's just like, I think that's really where their
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riffs starts.
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Yeah. It is also that he was sitting in the
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corner of the room for I probably like ten minutes.
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Well the general was debriefing Dutch and he's like he's
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like someone said you were the best. He just sitting
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there the whole time. It didn't say, hey, Dutch, it's
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your old friend.
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I like thinking of Dutch as like Frank Dreben, like
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you know, like I'm gonna go in and rescue these
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guys and I'm gonna gonna shoot through it. But I
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was gonna say, even if I have to kill this,
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I was gonna say, as much as it is fun
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to joke about that, and it is again, I do
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think it all works to obviously as we're saying, like
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set up that these are badass, don't mess with these guys,
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and then what's gonna happen to them when the predator
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targets and there's just absolutely no way that they can
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stop the predator.
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And it is very and this was written. It feels
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like a movie written by two brothers. It was written
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by Jen and Jim and John Thomas. And it's very
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elegant in its structure because you don't have a lot
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of time to get in deep. But there are these
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just ca there's these There's a lot of vagueness right
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like like the we're a rescue team, not assassins, you know,
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like they don't say what that is, or there's a
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lot of history implied between the characters, like we find
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out everything about them in that helicopter ride.
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You know.
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Shane Black's character is the jokester Billy is kind of
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the mysterious one of Venturas the hot head, and and
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then there's also kind of this moment which again you
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didn't see, especially rewatching it now between ventura character, Ventura's
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character and Bill Duke's character.
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Oh, how they were lovers?
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Like, I like, right, that would be that would be brill.
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It would be fine. But also I wanted I did
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want to call out mac. Bill Duke's character is very
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interesting in this movie and really kind of a scene stealer.
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The way he does It's a very different than Hudson,
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which is like cocky guy who goes into freak out mode.
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This is like the cool, quiet, like badass who just
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has a complete mental unraveling, and it's amazing. I think,
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I don't think Bill Duke we mostly know these days.
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You know, he was a director of a lot of things,
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but he was in a lot more movies back then,
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and I think he gives an amazing performance here.
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Yeah, he's that that monologue he has, you know when
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he's like he's drinking over Jesse Venturist's body and it's
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you and I don't even know if it was there
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in the script, but there is a deep, whatever kind
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of love.
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It is like they had a huge data, very close
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bond and it's funny. So we should dig into the
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movie officially start it. But I wanted to say that,
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like this group of there is supposed to be this
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close knit group of rescue operatives, and obviously some are
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closer than others. But Dutch has a very Ethan Hunt
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take on the whole thing, which is like refusing to
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think his men are expendable when they are absolutely expendable,
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which is like like Ethan Hunt's like I work in
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the IMF, we work in the shadows. We give our
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lives to this cause. I will never let any of
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my team die for the cause though. Uh And that's
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the same with Dutch, which is like, no, we're not expendable.
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I'm like, you are the definition of expendable. I think, like, like,
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it's so offensive to him to hear that, so he's
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definitely got a little huntiness to him.
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They're the expendables before the expendible.
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They're the pre expendables. I want to apologize, and I
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don't know how if it'll be cut up on my mic,
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but I have gardeners here and they're going to be
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trimming my hedges, so it might get loud U, power tools,
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and podcasts in Great Match. Yeah, I just wanted to. Yeah,
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I reiterate that. Yeah, I think Bill Duke is great
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in this and that. Yeah, Mac and Blaine, there are
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many Reddit threads about their relationship, which I don't think
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is a overread because it's clear that they're supposed to have, like, yeah,
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a closer bond than a lot of these guys. If
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you want to read like a you know, actual love
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story onto that or not is up to the interpreter,
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but I do think it's certainly there for the interpretation.
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It's great.
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You don't need it either, Yeah, if you want to,
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If you want it, it's there, But you don't need
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it because it's just a very close you know, they
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you know, the male loneliness epidemic has really taken so
483
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many of us that it's good for guys to have
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close bonds.
485
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That's the message of Predator.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, and I also want to you were talking about
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the vagueness here, Brent of like I love how much
489
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obviously as the movies and comics go on, because there's
490
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like the comics started with Alien Versus Predator, and there's
491
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Predator comics and novels in their own right. There's even
492
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a continuation of Billy from this you know, in comic
493
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book form, and I so little of the predator law
494
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is given in this first movie, but just enough details
495
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for us to just know what's going on. Yeah, he's
496
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a hunter, he's has trophies. We see him cleaning skulls, like,
497
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we get it, Like we don't need to know exactly
498
00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:54.759
what's going on. The unspoken parts when it's like I
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respect you, I'm going to fight you and take off
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my weapons, like, we get it. It doesn't need to
501
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be said out loud. There's so many here now some
502
00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:02.920
of the characters talk to each other and to be
503
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.759
like he's hunting us, they have to say certain lines
504
00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:07.759
like that. But yeah, we don't know that there are
505
00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:10.039
other predators. We don't know that this is someoney who
506
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could pop in an out of time throughout the Earth's
507
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history fighting people. We don't know the full scope of this,
508
00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:19.519
And I think it still works amazing as far as
509
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like it gives us exactly the information we need and
510
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we're smart enough to get it. Except for the part
511
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where Schwartzenegger's like touching the mud and he's like he
512
00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:31.480
can't see me. Like we could have figured that out.
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00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:36.839
But right, yeah, although that feels like a studio note, yeah, yeah,
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make sure they understand. But yeah, I agreed to watching it.
515
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:42.920
I thought the same thing Matt, that it's like, this
516
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is just enough to build a franchise on and for
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someone else to dig deeper into these guys and what
518
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:54.200
their story is just these glimpses. I think a pivotal
519
00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:57.160
moment is when he heals himself, because it's like, oh,
520
00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:01.720
these guys are advanced tech, they have medical devices, they
521
00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:04.880
have like to know, he's not just a creature like that,
522
00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:08.000
Like there's a whole other layer going on here. Yeah,
523
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just just a nice.
524
00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:10.480
Little If it bleeds, we can kill it.
525
00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:11.480
Yeah.
526
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And when it came out, I mean, I mean, this
527
00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:16.720
is a hard thing for somebody, like watching the film
528
00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:17.079
for the.
529
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First time now, is that you know there really.
530
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Was a sense of mystery about this creature when the
531
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movie was released, Like you didn't know what a predator
532
00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:26.880
looked like when you went to go see this movie.
533
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.960
The poster literally was just Schwarzenegger in the Predator vision
534
00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:34.039
with the infrared. Yeah, yeah, with the infrared, and even
535
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:36.160
the trailer I think you got that shot of his
536
00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:40.559
hat of the creature's hand, but but or some quick shots,
537
00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:44.720
but you really didn't know, like you know, the sort
538
00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:47.240
of camo effect and things like that, but you didn't
539
00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:49.079
really know what this thing was gonna be at all.
540
00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:51.960
Yeah, even if you did see him in the mask,
541
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you didn't see what was underneath. The great standwins to
542
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make up, you know, and whish you just mentioned before.
543
00:26:57.359 --> 00:27:01.039
We'll dive into the movie now. But was originally in
544
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this Predator costume, but he was too short and he
545
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:05.000
complained too much about it being too hot, and so
546
00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:09.440
they replaced him with a seven foot two Kevin Peter Hall.
547
00:27:09.799 --> 00:27:12.240
Yes, but it was a different It was a different costume.
548
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:14.519
If there are pictures out there the design. They did
549
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:18.119
change and make it better the design than before we
550
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:20.480
do go into the actual run through, though, Matt, I
551
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:23.359
did want to ask you, and I'll say mine because
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00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:25.200
you asked Brent, but what are your first memories of
553
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:25.720
this movie?
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00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:28.960
Matt? Like you this was so this is a movie
555
00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:31.599
that even if I haven't seen for a long time,
556
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:35.160
like an old song, you don't remember that you remembered
557
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:37.000
all the lyrics to it, And so you watch it
558
00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:39.319
and you're like I remember everything about this movie because
559
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:42.119
for like, I don't can't remember if I saw it
560
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:45.079
in the theater first, but I definitely this was like
561
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:47.839
a main rental for me for like five years running,
562
00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:50.519
like it was just a constant rotation of VHS renting
563
00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:53.559
and seeing this movie over and over again. And so
564
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:57.079
it was. It was very big and and I love
565
00:27:57.160 --> 00:28:01.880
how it's not like it's clever, but like it's a
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quotable movie, like if it bleeds, we can kill it.
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You lose it here, or you're in a world or hurt,
568
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:09.480
like I ain't got time to believe. Like there's great
569
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lines here and they're simple, like uh, and it's funny
570
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because no one's quoting knock knock or stick around, which
571
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are like what you're supposed to think of the hero
572
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:21.279
catchphrases and stuff. But the actual dialogue here is lean
573
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and good. You know. Yeah, that like it that like
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that it still resonates years later. I love this movie.
575
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:30.200
I also love Predator too, so we'll talk about that
576
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:34.559
but next week. But it's yeah, I think it's even
577
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if they never built on this movie, and I'm glad
578
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they did. It's an amazing movie. Like yeah, as just
579
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a one off movie.
580
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:45.319
Yeah, one hundred percent, it could exist on its own. Yeah,
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I I I vividly remember that I saw this movie
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the day I graduated from sixth grade that I had.
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We had a graduation ceremony. We had a pool party
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for all the kid.
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And You're like, I'm going to New York.
586
00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:59.279
Yeah, and my my dad took me in a classmate
587
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to see Predator at the Sherman Oaks General Cinema. And
588
00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:05.599
because I've mentioned this guy a few times that this
589
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:08.079
guy Stephen, who worked for my dad. Also he's a
590
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few years older than me. He also worked at a
591
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movie theater and he was a nerdy movie fan and
592
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:15.400
he would give me swag from the theater. So I
593
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:19.559
had a Schwarzenegger Versus Predator button that I still have
594
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eighty seven. I love that it was built that way.
595
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:26.039
By the way, Schwarzenegger was so quickly an icon himself
596
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that this movie the whole campaign, like we talked about,
597
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:31.480
they didn't really show Predator, but they said this movie
598
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is Schwarzenegger Versus Predator.
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So well, apparently it was. It was Arnold's idea to
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make it like originally, part one of the intertions of
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the story was it was just him and he's like, no,
602
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.359
I need a team, you know, that's the whole thing,
603
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.240
and like that was it seems like it came from him,
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at least he says, so.
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00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:53.799
Well, I know, I don't know if he I do
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know when he read.
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The first versions of the script.
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Yeah, I was watching a very old behind the scenes
609
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thing about the this morning, and he did say he
610
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:06.359
always wanted to do his like Dirty Dozen, you know,
611
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Magnificent seven, like.
612
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A group of guys movies.
613
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:11.839
So I think he was very excited that this was
614
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:13.640
getting to do do that sort of thing, the kind
615
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of movies you hate.
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Brent, Yeah, the tough guy on some b not already
617
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:26.160
Brent as a successful screenwriter. What do you think about
618
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:29.720
the Thomas Brothers slipping this script under the door of
619
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twentieth Century Fox producer Michael Leeby? Is that something? Can
620
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:36.359
you still slip scripts under doors or bathroom stalls? Is
621
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:38.720
that still a thing? Like, hey, hey, you're taking his ship,
622
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:40.880
but read this, you know, Like I mean.
623
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:43.759
Scripts aren't even really printed out anymore.
624
00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:48.559
So you'd actually slip an entire laptop a laptop.
625
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:51.680
Oh my god, just like giving like a little a
626
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:56.319
little jump drive like slide it under. No scripts aren't
627
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:58.839
printed out, Brent, what do you do with all those brads?
628
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:02.079
I I have drawers of brads.
629
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.720
Like still like from from the early two thousands, either,
630
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:11.799
like I'm hoping there's a brass shortage.
631
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.279
And I can just kind of Oh man, I'm hoping
632
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:17.759
when when, when society collapse, brads are the new currency.
633
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:19.680
This is a dystopian I will.
634
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:23.400
Be Yeah, I will be Scrooge McDuck if that happens.
635
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:25.440
I'm just diving in my brads.
636
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:27.920
Yeah. Okay.
637
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:31.680
The movie starts, as we already mentioned that with the spaceship.
638
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:33.400
It actually shows us, hey, right out of the gate,
639
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:35.480
this is alien movie with the sci fi. What does
640
00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:38.279
the alien look like? Though? We don't know, but uh,
641
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:40.000
we going to this planet.
642
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.079
We do get the We get a ship dropping a
643
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:46.240
drop ship, so it's like, yeah, again a little glimpse
644
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:49.160
that there's a society out there, that someone dropped him
645
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:49.720
off there.
646
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:54.559
The Alan Savestry score is amazing. As we go from
647
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the spaceship to the everyone arriving, like Arnold's team arriving.
648
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:01.680
We see everybody like getting off the Choppa and his
649
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:04.799
damn cigar and his cat that never comes back, which
650
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:05.240
it should have.
651
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:09.799
Is this the first appearance of Schortzenegger smoking oh in
652
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:10.240
a movie?
653
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:12.559
Did he do it in Raw Deal or something? I
654
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:16.119
feel like there was a couple. I'm not sure it's a.
655
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:21.119
But I I love this team right because you have
656
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:23.480
you have Jesse Ventura, he's huge.
657
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.200
You have Billy he's huge, Shortzenegger, and.
658
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:29.279
Then you have Shane Black and the other guys and
659
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:33.119
they're like, they're like bean poles, and I feel like
660
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:34.920
they were cast for contrast.
661
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:37.759
Well, it's like, we all know Jesse Ventura was a
662
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:40.039
former Navy seal as well as a professional wrestler. But
663
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:44.480
that guy, the other guy Ponce show, was a Vietnam vet.
664
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:47.960
He was a Vietnam veteran, so he actually was, unlike
665
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:51.519
the others, probably an actual soldier in a war, even
666
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:53.839
though he's not as big as everyone else. Shane Black
667
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:55.920
guy can't explain though. I mean, he was in Hollywood
668
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:57.240
at the time, wedding and well.
669
00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:59.599
What a wild I mean this is the same year
670
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:01.000
Lethal Weapon comes.
671
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:04.000
Out and the Black will make his own Predator movie
672
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:04.680
decades later.
673
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:07.000
But yeah, but yeah, so he I think he was
674
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in you know, he had made Little Weapon had been
675
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already released, I believe at this point earlier the year
676
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.640
a Joel Silver production. This is also a Joel Silver production.
677
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And you know, if you look at Shane Black's you know, resume,
678
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:22.440
he has little cameos and other little movies. But for
679
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:25.440
him to actually have a prominent supporting role is very funny,
680
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:29.000
especially as he's really rising as a screenwriter. You know,
681
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:31.359
they said he did some rewrites on set, but yeah,
682
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:34.000
still seems like a really funny happenstance. But I really
683
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.920
enjoy when they get off that chopper. It's a you know,
684
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:40.960
everyone is dressed dramatically different. Again, we're not going to
685
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:43.160
get a lot of backstory here, but the idea they're
686
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:46.200
all different types. So one guy's in his suit. Jesse's
687
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:50.200
wearing an MTV logo T shirt by the way, So
688
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:53.720
it's like, these are your little idea, right, these are
689
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:56.119
your your little glimpses into their lives.
690
00:33:55.799 --> 00:34:00.640
Here and Dutch gets the rundown. Schwarzenegger's out last. He's
691
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clearly the leader of whatever this is. We don't know
692
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:04.279
what's going on, but he's brought in and talks to
693
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.839
a general about the Oh we also saw Carl Weathers
694
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.800
already in that bar or whatever it is, like drinking
695
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:13.639
a beer, very shadowy with his tie.
696
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:15.519
Yeah, it's a kind of a noir shot of him.
697
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:15.880
I like it.
698
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:19.000
And so he gets the rundown that there's this cabinet
699
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:21.800
guy has been taken hostage, fell behind him, enemy lines.
700
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.360
We have to go rescue him, and then we get
701
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:29.320
the Dylan you son of a bitch oft meaned row handshake,
702
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:33.000
arm wrestle thing. What's the official term for the the
703
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:36.360
is the predator handshake? Hero handshake? What is it that
704
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:36.639
I mean?
705
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.639
I feel like predator if I when I'm searching for
706
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:43.000
the gift, I do put predator handshake most of the Yeah,
707
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.559
it is so funny, right, like meme culture is so
708
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:48.679
funny because as you were mentioning Matt, the lines that
709
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:50.960
became quoted from this movie were not like the puns
710
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.400
and the one liners. I remember, right when this movie
711
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:55.599
came out, the line that everyone was saying was You're
712
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:57.480
one ugly motherfucker, Like that was the one.
713
00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:58.719
Yeah, sure, right when it.
714
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:02.639
Opened, people will like repeating and then to having the
715
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:06.559
and then I remember when Carl Weathers was on arrest
716
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.960
development and they showed that clip of him getting his
717
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:14.320
arm shot off, which I felt like predated like meme
718
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.519
culture a little bit. But it is funny. We live
719
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:20.320
in a day and age where so millions of people
720
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:22.199
have seen that handshake. You haven't seen this.
721
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:26.119
Movie, right, absolutely, people people screamed get to the Choppa,
722
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:28.199
which also broke out like a couple of years ago,
723
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:30.159
having never seen this movie, Like.
724
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.840
And I remember, I remember getting a big reaction in
725
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:36.400
the theater, like just people going holy shit.
726
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:43.320
So those are fucking big arms, like big two big arms. Yeah,
727
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:46.519
and you know, and there was no punch Rider back then,
728
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:49.039
so he was allowed to beat Dylan in an arm
729
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:51.719
wrestling contest. Carl Weathers didn't have any Hollywood pool to
730
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:54.559
be like it has to be even but he's been
731
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:55.360
pushing pencils.
732
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:57.679
Yeah, I like that, by the way, Like all the
733
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:00.119
behind the scenes stories about this movie, and it's not
734
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:04.320
shocking his It was a very testosterone filled set and
735
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:06.840
all these guys kept working out and trying to get
736
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:10.079
the biggest pump and look like the biggest beefius guy.
737
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.480
Shane Black trying to be the biggest I don't think
738
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:15.039
Shane Black.
739
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:16.199
I feels like Shane.
740
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:18.280
Black was sleeping in I feel like again.
741
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.639
Again, I I kind of want to say that again.
742
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:26.239
This was like you guys, when I first met you, you.
743
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:28.599
Were very how we always greeted it.
744
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:31.719
We were very kind of competitive in the gym.
745
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:35.000
Right right, gotta get swollen.
746
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:39.000
It was all about one upping. Yeah yeah.
747
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:39.800
Other than that.
748
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:46.039
Building up Dylan as former friend who's now CIA, who's
749
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:49.119
still amazingly built for a CIA agent. I don't know
750
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:52.719
where where does the term pencil pressure come from? Anyway,
751
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:56.719
He's like, you've been pushing too many pencils. He hates
752
00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:59.599
the tie as you mentioned, Brent, and but then he
753
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:03.159
finds out that Dylan, who is apparently a friend, is
754
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:05.159
going to be going along on the mission with him
755
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.599
as the mission lead. And then Dutch is like this sucks.
756
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:10.880
So how good a friend is he? I don't know,
757
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:14.559
but he does not like it because they don't like
758
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:18.920
outsiders and they don't like it being assassin's I guess too.
759
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:22.760
The rest of the team, it seems like, I guess
760
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:24.760
Dutch is the only one who has history with Dylan,
761
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:28.079
because everyone else is much more hostile to Dylan, even
762
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:29.639
beyond Dutch being like I don't like.
763
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:34.519
Well, Mac and Blaine specifically, like the the two Jungle
764
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:38.199
Lovers are like Blaine spits on his foot with his chew.
765
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:42.440
Mac even was like, what does he say? Said something great,
766
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:44.599
It's like if you slow us down, I'm gonna I'm
767
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:45.119
gonna bleed.
768
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:46.000
You leave you here?
769
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:51.760
Real quiet, real quiet. And then we get the Long
770
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:54.039
Tall Sally Chopper ride, which is a great bit of
771
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:56.400
music to go along with this, and we actually see
772
00:37:57.199 --> 00:37:59.039
I forget what it's called, Eric, what's supposed to actually
773
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.559
be in the scene because it's coming from Blaine's boombox.
774
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:04.679
He turns off the diegetic it's digestic, yes, So it's
775
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:06.559
like it is going on in the background while they're
776
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:09.760
getting ready to because when Max having a freak out
777
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:12.199
at the end, he starts singing parts of Long Tall
778
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.119
Sally like he like it's.
779
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:19.119
And this is also that's a great moment. And also, uh,
780
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:21.440
I know rewatching this and I'm like, oh, this is
781
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:24.960
also it's so eighties because these guys are also very
782
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:28.360
Gi Joe coded, like they all they don't wear the
783
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:30.880
same you know, they all have variations on the uniform,
784
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:34.719
different hats, different weapons, and you can feel see the
785
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:38.039
file cards, like what is their specialty, what do they do?
786
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:42.159
We have a skewed perspective on when it comes to
787
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:44.440
like old music right where now we hear that like
788
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.480
Blank twenty two is classic rock, and we're like, uh,
789
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:49.360
But like back in the eighties, it was very interesting
790
00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:51.559
because obviously there were movies with eighties music, like John
791
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.840
Hughes movies and stuff. But sometimes the characters in these
792
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:58.760
movies liked music from twenty years earlier, right, so that
793
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:01.480
would much be like using something from two thousand and four,
794
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:04.800
but for them, like jamming through something from the sixties
795
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:09.079
or fifties seems weird because it seems so much older
796
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.880
style music because of the way it sounds, so like
797
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:15.119
even like Eric, you may know the movie better than
798
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:18.159
I do Adventures and Babysitting, isn't it? Oprah with open
799
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:20.199
with her singing and then he kissed me?
800
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:23.480
Right? Why is she not listening to something new way
801
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:24.599
for something exactly?
802
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:28.599
Like why is she? Or even in Lost Boys, what
803
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.840
is like he's singing in the bathtub right right? Like
804
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:34.559
what this is that? It's it's like some old song
805
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.360
from like thirty years earlier in it, But it's much
806
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:38.039
I think is.
807
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:40.679
Great because in my in my movie viewerhead, I'm like, oh,
808
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:42.400
he learned that from his mom.
809
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:46.079
Or his dad who died or left.
810
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:50.280
Right, But nowadays it would be what what Lady Gaga song?
811
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:52.000
Can just even sure be listening to?
812
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:57.199
It's his poker poker Face over and o'kind of great actually,
813
00:39:57.239 --> 00:39:59.320
and then Max freaking Max freaking out at the end,
814
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:02.559
He's like, my po po poker face is running through
815
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:03.039
the woods.
816
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.039
I mean, I kind of want to see that.
817
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:08.760
That would be I'm not loving that.
818
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:12.800
And then we get so, yeah, we get a breakdown.
819
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:16.159
Pancho doesn't really have a full personality. Blaine does, Mac
820
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:17.519
does Hawkins.
821
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:18.679
Uh.
822
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:22.000
I'd like to imagine that Hawkins has spent years trying
823
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:24.760
to break Bully Billy with pussy jokes. We only get
824
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:27.079
two in this We only get two in this movie.
825
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:29.760
He breaks the role of Freeze.
826
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:33.280
Yeah, so it is in this movie.
827
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:35.519
Yeah, it is funny is the Pancho. I agreed with
828
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:37.679
you by the way that Pancho is like the least defined,
829
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:39.719
which makes it funny that he's the one who lives
830
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:43.239
the longest besides Dutch. It's like he's true.
831
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:44.960
Now. The funny thing is like he could have been
832
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.920
the guy who spoke Spanish, because he the guy does
833
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:52.119
speak Spanish, right, uh, Richard Chavez the actor, but Dylan
834
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:54.800
speaks Spanish too, So when they're talking to Hannah, it's
835
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:57.599
not even like Pancho has that one thing he can
836
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:02.519
do like that. Oh yeah, oh, there's so many great
837
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:06.400
grenade explosions in this movie. Okay, so then they land
838
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:10.239
and they start, Yeah, Billy knows sells the pussy joke.
839
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:14.239
It's amazing. Billy's the tracker. I love that. He's also
840
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:18.199
a great character, like his all you get from him.
841
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:21.119
He looks great. This actor, Sonny Landam, who's been in
842
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:23.559
a ton of things, like especially in the seventies and eighties,
843
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:27.599
like his performance as somebody who all he needs to
844
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:29.920
do is look into the woods or listen and know
845
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:33.440
something's fucking wrong. And like when he tells you there's
846
00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:35.800
no sign of them leaving, there's no sign of blood,
847
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:38.039
like you believe him. And so that part in the
848
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:39.880
mid part of the movie, when he's just staring out
849
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:43.639
into the jungle, it's freaky. And then he's the last
850
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:46.360
person you want him to say, we're all gonna die,
851
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:47.679
so and.
852
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:51.960
It's not freaking out either. It's like a certainty. Right,
853
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.400
it's like we're all good, you know which is which
854
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:55.960
is freaky?
855
00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:59.719
Yeah, he's great. It's funny that uh sunny Land in
856
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:03.719
great presence, you know, great part of the movie. I
857
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:06.079
love when he does when he does get the huge
858
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:08.840
laugh at the second pussy joke and the predator that
859
00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:11.000
makes it all creepy when he's like replaying it.
860
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:15.000
Oh, it's amazing. Well the laugh at the end believes.
861
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:18.519
Oh yeah, yeah, but it is funny to sunny landam
862
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:20.760
on that again, this old behind the scenes thing. I
863
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:23.400
was watching this morning. They're talking about how, oh yeah,
864
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:26.400
Sonny interesting guy. One of the producers like, yeah, we
865
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:29.880
had to have higher security for Sonny, not to protect him,
866
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:31.880
but because he might start fights and we need to
867
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:36.840
like stop him from getting into troubles. Okay, yeah, again,
868
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:38.280
it seems like an interesting set.
869
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:42.880
But they find the chopper, the one that went down.
870
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:44.719
They find it in the trees, and it's you know,
871
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:47.480
it's good. I like the movie takes his time to
872
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:50.679
show you them and climbing up investigating, seeing what's going on.
873
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:53.480
There is still a mispre element not to just what
874
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:55.440
the predator is, but what happened to these people. That
875
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:57.400
they're going to rescue. So the initial one is like,
876
00:42:57.440 --> 00:42:59.880
who are these people? Where they go? How can we save?
877
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:04.360
And but then we get Billy sort of investigating, uh,
878
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.840
and we hear the first predator growl and he finds
879
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:09.119
the skinned hanging bodies.
880
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:13.679
And I wasn't a big like I got into horror
881
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:17.800
movies much later, and I was not expecting as a.
882
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:21.400
Kid this level of violent violence. It's the first skinned
883
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:24.239
alive person I've ever seen. You never forget your first
884
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:27.400
skin delive. I didn't see Hello Raiser yet. I forget
885
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:31.159
if that was before this or after. Uh, but yeah,
886
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:33.000
it freaked it freaked me out.
887
00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:38.760
No, it's visceral this. And then Hawkins' guts are like
888
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:43.280
like much more super horror than people might have expected.
889
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:46.599
And I d seven going in to see this Newstorschnaker.
890
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:48.159
Movie, or even like when he's cleaning off the skull
891
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:50.599
later on when the predators like getting his his clean
892
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:52.800
skull and it's like got all the viscera and I
893
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:54.039
mean all full all over it.
894
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:57.840
And we should of course acknowledge, uh that Stranger Things
895
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:02.280
fans will immediately clock. That's the name came from Jim Hopper.
896
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:08.960
Poor dad later Jim hoo Eric Hawkins, Oh it's Hawkins.
897
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:14.400
Also Hawks Indiana literally the town of Man, so they
898
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:18.639
love predatory predator. But yeah, Jim Hopper being like, yeah,
899
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:21.360
a direct poll that they would use that name in
900
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:22.119
stranger things.
901
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.159
So this is when Dutch starts suspecting something else because
902
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:27.719
these are green Berets. A guy he actually knew his
903
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:31.079
team was just like killed and skinned in horror, horrific ways.
904
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:32.880
Not all of his team though, we don't know where
905
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:34.719
the rest of them went, but three of them are there,
906
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.719
and he starts. This is when Dylan's story starts to
907
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:42.079
fall apart a little bit. But this is when we
908
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.320
get the introduction to Painless, the mini gun, the gatling
909
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:48.079
gun that Jesse Ventura's in charge of.
910
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:51.440
I love the eighties. By the way, we've talked about
911
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:59.280
Ninja's huge gatling guns, huge entertainment.
912
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:03.559
Going back Aliens, What did Basquez and Drake have. They
913
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.519
had like these attached to side guns that were way
914
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:08.840
bigger than the pulse rifles that everyone else had. They
915
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:11.559
had they were like trained in this other extra sort
916
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:17.000
of mini gun with the Harness Space Marines. Yeah, then
917
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:19.639
we get so yeah, then here it's when we get
918
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:24.440
the first predator vision too. As they're trying approaching the
919
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:28.599
camp and uh, they find like the trip wires and
920
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:31.920
they're sneaking up and taking out they they take out
921
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:34.280
like a couple of the guards just so that they
922
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:37.239
can get inside and Arnold can blow up the entire
923
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:40.679
mess hall and like give away all of their positions.
924
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:44.159
It was gonna be a stealth mission for about a minute,
925
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:45.440
and then it was just gonna.
926
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:48.920
The other guy.
927
00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:49.000
Yea.
928
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:51.880
Even the other guys are like what's he doing, because yeah,
929
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:53.239
you could sneak up with the guy.
930
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:55.239
And then he sees the truck and he.
931
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:58.920
Looks over at these poor people in the cafeteria just eating.
932
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:05.159
They're just innocent gorillas, Yeah, having a good, well balanced lunch.
933
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:10.760
Yeah maybe maybe yeah, because Dutch, they literally they get
934
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:13.239
there right as they execute one of the hostages, and
935
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:15.400
maybe that sent Dutch over the edge. He's like, no
936
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:19.199
more stealth and he just blows up like he gets
937
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:21.599
you know, that's a lot of birds with one stone,
938
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:24.639
he gets. So he takes them all out and then
939
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:27.440
it just goes into this amazing action sequence where they
940
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.280
just run rough shot over the entire gorilla camp and
941
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.519
also killed the Russian officer who's there as an advisor
942
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:39.320
and knocks out the hot girl takes you know, they
943
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:43.320
take her with him. But yeah, the other he also
944
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:47.079
finds about Dylan's betrayal, which is weird but whatever.
945
00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:51.760
Yeah, it's a little murky. Only Dylan wants to take
946
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:56.239
Anna wants to take her with them. Dutch doesn't. But
947
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:59.519
it is funny. It's a little strange, like we never
948
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.119
kind of figuring out the backstory where we don't get
949
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:04.239
all the details. I'm okay with it, but it is
950
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:08.320
funny that like, the predator killed all those people, but
951
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:12.159
the gorillas did take some hostages, so exactly like how
952
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:13.440
did that exactly work?
953
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:16.440
Like, you know, it seemed like they took the hostages.
954
00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:20.920
But then the team that Dlan originally sent in got
955
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:21.519
killed by the.
956
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:27.039
Predator, right right, so none of them team ever got Also, Also,
957
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.920
this kind of rubs against the grain of predator law
958
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:34.719
a little bit unless you can explain that this particular
959
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:38.679
jungle in this particular country was this particular predator's favorite
960
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:40.719
place or the predator's favorite place.
961
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:42.880
Because Anna starts talking about stories from when she was
962
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:45.639
a kid that this happens all the time here like
963
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:50.840
predators love whatever this fictitious Central American country is, and
964
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:55.000
my village in particular, because she talked about the men
965
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.599
in her village would get skilled skinned and like trophies
966
00:47:57.639 --> 00:47:59.239
would be made out of them. Like it's some sort
967
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:03.000
of like Boogeyman story, right, So the predator has been
968
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:05.320
around doing this for a while. And again one of
969
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:06.840
the things we don't need to explain is like why
970
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:09.000
is the predator going after these soldiers? Well again like
971
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:12.960
competition thriller, the Hunt, Like we understand it.
972
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:16.000
Right, because because Dutch does figure out if you don't
973
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:19.920
have weapons, it won't care about you. He tells Anna
974
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:21.760
not to pick up a weapon for that reason.
975
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:28.239
And then like he's like, you set us up, Dylan,
976
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:30.039
and it's like we wouldn't have been doing this. He's like,
977
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:33.039
you're expendable. It's like my men are not expendable. And
978
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:35.119
then they got to get out of there because rebels
979
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:37.800
are coming to their position, but they can't get an extraction,
980
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.320
so they got to go to this valley to the east,
981
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:43.679
which winds up being like the worst part of the jungle.
982
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.039
Like they set it up nicely. There's a good establishing
983
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:50.199
shot of that Valley, and I can't remember if Mac
984
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:53.559
or Blaine says, I wouldn't wish that on a broke
985
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:56.599
Dick Dog or something like that, like that whole journey,
986
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:00.559
which I would like to think is a Shane black
987
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:04.679
line like part of his his Uh.
988
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:09.480
It's also the name of an animated film.
989
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:13.719
Dog, Yes, is that an offshoot of cat Dog Ya.
990
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:17.880
The Adventures of Broke Dick Dog, which.
991
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:21.400
Was like encouraged the cowardly Dog's brother Broke Dick Dog.
992
00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:25.119
It's a show on Nickelodeon for high college kids.
993
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:27.800
Is a broke dig Dog, the name of the character
994
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:29.239
from sixteen Candles.
995
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:37.239
The eighties are filled with crossover.
996
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:42.760
Okay, so then, oh, and then that great moment when
997
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:44.280
Mac is like.
998
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:47.199
You broke bread with that.
999
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:52.679
I don't even I'm not even watching the video come
1000
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:53.400
back to us.
1001
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:58.119
Oh god, the podcast.
1002
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:03.639
The killing the scorpion on Dylan's shoulder is great, and
1003
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:08.639
that leads us to our first more immersive like Predator vision,
1004
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:12.760
which is Predator surveying all the dead bodies after they leave,
1005
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:15.280
including the scorpion, which he picks up and is like,
1006
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:16.519
friend and.
1007
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:17.760
Give it and it gives us again.
1008
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:18.239
I like the.
1009
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:21.920
Yeah, like we get like this is where.
1010
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:28.400
We get get this is his hand. Uh. And then
1011
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:31.559
we also realizes that he sort of records audio because
1012
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:34.480
we get Mac going like anytime or over here stuff
1013
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:39.320
like that. Uh. And we get the final final pussy
1014
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:43.199
joke from from Hawkins that actually, this is the one
1015
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:47.159
that uh it's basically sort of like you're chiseling away
1016
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:48.800
at the damn and this is the one that lets
1017
00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:52.559
the floodwater in, which is like the Billy totally buys
1018
00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:56.440
into this pussy joke and laughs uproariously in a great
1019
00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:58.480
booming laugh that the actor has.
1020
00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:03.400
And I I'd like to track Billy's humor from this
1021
00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:05.559
point for because there's another point where he has a
1022
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:07.239
big laugh that I want to point out when we get
1023
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:10.280
to it. But it's like, yeah, his sense Billy's sense
1024
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:12.679
of humor is a mystery throughout the film.
1025
00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:17.119
Well that's the third mystery, that's what That's what Hawkins
1026
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:18.239
always said about him.
1027
00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:22.679
Yeah, he's like, I'm not going to stop until I
1028
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:27.280
figure out how this guy ticks. Then we get and
1029
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:29.760
there's even a line about this valley being I think
1030
00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:32.800
Blaine says it makes Cambodia look like Kansas if you
1031
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:35.599
lose it here you're in a world of hurt. Great line.
1032
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:42.519
This is when there's basically like Billy gets spooked and
1033
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:44.840
he's like, holds onto his pendant and he's like, there's
1034
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:47.480
something in the trees, and it's almost like he can
1035
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:50.280
because there's moments later in the movie where Dylan and
1036
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:54.920
Max spot the actual illusion, the camouflage illusion. They're like, look,
1037
00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:57.360
do you see it? You see it? Well, Billy sees
1038
00:51:57.400 --> 00:51:59.760
it first. Billy sees something moving in the trees that
1039
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:05.440
nobody else can see. And this is when the girl
1040
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:07.599
makes a run for it. She actually tries to run
1041
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:09.239
a couple of times, but this is when she runs
1042
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:13.880
and Hawkins takes after her, and then Hawkins gets killed,
1043
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:17.800
like this is the first slasher kill. And Hawkins gets
1044
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:19.920
taken no more pussy jokes, rule of three is broken,
1045
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:24.320
and leaves his guts there and then when they arrive again,
1046
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:28.800
no sign of him. Blood all over her happens so quickly.
1047
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.440
She is not a great eyewitness because what did she
1048
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:34.440
even see? And this is when they realized that something
1049
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:35.400
horrible is happening.
1050
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:39.119
And also, I so Shane Black's the first to die
1051
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:39.719
they kill.
1052
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:42.320
The first thing I do is kill the screenwriter, which
1053
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:45.519
is a very very Hollywood thing.
1054
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:48.360
Let me tell you this is we don't need him.
1055
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:52.880
Yeah, well he's expendable.
1056
00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:55.679
Well, they're like his work is done, isn't it. You know,
1057
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:01.159
it's like, yeah, his part of the movie, he's done.
1058
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:02.320
Get him out of here.
1059
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:04.639
You you mentioned do you want to go back for
1060
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:07.880
a second because you mentioned Blaine's welcome to a world
1061
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:10.519
of Heart. It's the tagline of a predator Badlands. Blaine
1062
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:13.960
has a lot of great lines, but we didn't mention, uh,
1063
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.480
I ain't got time to bleed, which is another big one,
1064
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:22.119
and uh just a great obviously a great line in
1065
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:25.519
and of itself, but actually really like that that scene
1066
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:28.039
we talked about. Pontchre doesn't have a lot of personality,
1067
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:31.440
but he does get a his reaction which we don't
1068
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:33.679
often see when we see that clip, because his reaction is,
1069
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:38.119
oh okay, like he's not like good old Blaine, He's
1070
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:41.039
like this guy's weird, Like he's he actually has a
1071
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:42.599
like what the hell is this guy talking about? But
1072
00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:45.199
I do love all of Jesse Ventura is really fun
1073
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:47.519
and we should mention that it's funny that he's also
1074
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:50.519
in Running Man, so him and sorce Maker had a
1075
00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:54.400
big eighty seven with their action sci fi movies.
1076
00:53:54.440 --> 00:53:56.440
And then he was sort of in Demolition Man, but
1077
00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:59.440
then like cut out and his character has forgotten about and.
1078
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:01.400
Andy, but he he is in Batman and Robin he
1079
00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:04.559
has a cameo in that, so oh okay, wow.
1080
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:07.360
I want to bring up So Blaine actually gets killed
1081
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.199
pretty quickly after this, like he gets blasted, which was
1082
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:12.760
the first time we see the predator have a laser gun,
1083
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:15.519
right or some sort of like space gun that shoots him,
1084
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:17.639
and it's cool because it comes out of nowhere, right,
1085
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:21.360
which is like it's this invisible like starting point shoots
1086
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:23.360
him through the chest. Well first it gets his ear
1087
00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:25.400
right and then it shoots him in the chest. But
1088
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:27.960
before that, this was a really cool moment for a
1089
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:29.840
movie like this, which is that like they're looking for
1090
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:33.840
Hawkins' body and they can't find him. We see him right,
1091
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:36.599
like we with the camera pans up and we see
1092
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:39.159
that he's hanging and being bled out, like he's being
1093
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:43.719
hanged up to like drain right before he gets skinned
1094
00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:47.599
or whatever and skulled whatever. But I like that moment,
1095
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:51.320
which is like these guys, everyone except Arnold and Ana
1096
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:55.639
die never knowing, like never finding Hawkins, like he's just gone.
1097
00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:58.599
And Blaine's death is interesting. I kind of came around
1098
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:01.599
on this because I think part of me does take
1099
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:04.599
the well, this is Jesse Ventura and he's got this great,
1100
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:08.519
amazing gun, he should have a more notable death. But
1101
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:10.480
then I also come around to the side of but
1102
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:14.280
this is obviously setting up just how ineffectual you can be.
1103
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:17.639
Jesse Ventura with an amazing gatling gun that decimated a
1104
00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:20.079
village doesn't matter, Like you know that.
1105
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:23.199
This because we were introduced to the predator's gun, which
1106
00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:25.519
we didn't see yet yea, which is like, oh he can.
1107
00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:29.320
This is again the the yaucha. The predator is being
1108
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:33.519
little space bitches who like snipe you from invisibility points
1109
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:38.079
like the thrill of competition. They're like, I didn't just
1110
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:42.280
shoot you. They're smart, that's the whole thing. It's like,
1111
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:44.000
I'm not getting near the guy with the mini gun.
1112
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:47.639
I'm gonna take him out from a distance. Some say smart,
1113
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:54.239
some say cosmicwds. Who's you know? Where you land is
1114
00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:57.079
up to your own your own ethics. I will say
1115
00:55:57.079 --> 00:56:00.760
that this is also a great moment that was kind
1116
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:03.400
of a dumb moment considering all the AMMO they wasted,
1117
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:08.039
but Mac goes nuts, takes the mini gun, takes painless
1118
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:11.400
unloads on the forest. Then everyone just comes in and
1119
00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:13.639
it's like, I guess we'll shoot in the direction Max
1120
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:17.519
shooting at and they everyone with grenades and everything. They
1121
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:22.000
kind of give the jungle everything they have and they
1122
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:24.119
do this is we do find out later they hit
1123
00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:27.280
the predator, but they think they didn't, and they just
1124
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:31.159
spooks them even more because no blood, no tracks, like
1125
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:34.159
we didn't hit anything and that's impossible, and now they
1126
00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:36.480
don't know what the fuck they're dealing with. But that
1127
00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:40.119
moment of just freak out gunfire is like the first
1128
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:44.079
time I feel like this quote unquote indestructible team is like,
1129
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:46.960
this is what we do, this is what usually works,
1130
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:49.360
and we just kind of blew our wad.
1131
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:53.039
That was Yeah, yeah, they're they're they're panicking and uh yeah,
1132
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:55.920
they're freaking out and the things they normally do we're
1133
00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:58.199
not going to work here. And like we said, it's
1134
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:00.239
gonna kind of take the shift from this is a
1135
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:02.880
movie about a badass team of commandos to this is
1136
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:06.239
kind of a slasher movie about them all being taken
1137
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:09.400
out one by one. So I think that, yeah, the ineffectualness.
1138
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:12.599
I guess it's the counterpoint, right, like that they they
1139
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:15.280
were badass shooting up the village, getting all the bad guys,
1140
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:18.960
but now they're just shooting blindly into the into the forest.
1141
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:21.480
And yeah, they Nick the Predator, but they're not doing
1142
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:22.000
much here.
1143
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:25.239
The Nick the Predator, his name is Nick.
1144
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:26.360
Yeah, I would.
1145
00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:31.840
Say that the original title, the actual the hand that's
1146
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:35.320
a good drapper named Nick the Predator, predator and predator
1147
00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:37.639
is not a good label. I would say that we
1148
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:39.880
get like the infrared hands, we know it's got a
1149
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:43.440
monster hand, but also like, here's further confirmation that it's
1150
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:46.039
a big monster or an alien. Is that the different
1151
00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:48.639
colored blood, which is that you know, Anna finds the
1152
00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:52.119
neon green goop on the leaf, wipes it on our pants.
1153
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:55.000
That we're like, oh, yes, this is clearly extraterrestrial.
1154
00:57:56.039 --> 00:57:57.199
And then.
1155
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:02.360
Well this is this And then we go to the alien,
1156
00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:06.079
the alien healing himself with and yeah, so.
1157
00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:11.360
The Pressator is also a master surgeon, a total mary Sue.
1158
00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:20.800
Field medic, uh Field medic on the pit, Like, I mean,
1159
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:23.239
what's his what's his medichlorian count.
1160
00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:25.440
You know what I'm saying, Like, I'm just asking, I'm
1161
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:26.920
just asking questions here.
1162
00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:29.880
Yeah, he can do he can do hair, he can
1163
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:32.760
sing master impressionist.
1164
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:35.440
I mean he's got those dreads. He's got to be
1165
00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:39.960
able to do hair. Yeahs impressionist. Rich a little thing
1166
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:42.679
out there. That's my go to im impersonator. I don't
1167
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:44.480
know of anybody else. Is there a new I'm assuming
1168
00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:46.480
there's new people personations.
1169
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:49.280
Uh, Fred Travelina would be another one.
1170
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:52.960
Ross Mark Cross, Ross markn That's the only one I
1171
00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:56.920
know from Walking Dead and uh and the m C
1172
00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:02.440
now because he could do a hugo weaving. Uh, let's see.
1173
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:04.840
Oh so this is they all hear the scream too
1174
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:08.320
so now and they Dylan radios In tries to get
1175
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:11.039
the chopper to come get them sooner and in their location,
1176
00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:13.840
and he gets denied and it's like, now what it
1177
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:16.039
feels like to be expendable and he's like, you know,
1178
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:22.599
it's like I deserve that. Okay, Billy says, we're all
1179
00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:24.559
gonna die. This is so.
1180
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:31.679
Also, kid me huge impression was Mac shaving without shaving
1181
00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:36.280
cream with oh, sweaty, super sweaty with that plastic razor.
1182
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:39.840
It was unsettling to kid me.
1183
00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:43.599
It's interesting because you feel like this is his thing,
1184
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:45.880
like some people have toothpicks, some people have like their
1185
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:48.400
own little like fidget things. And he's got this shave
1186
00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:51.039
because he's doing it in a helicopter too. Yeah, and
1187
00:59:51.079 --> 00:59:54.000
it I guess it kind of makes sense for jungle warfare.
1188
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:55.599
You don't want the stubble. You don't want that. But
1189
00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:58.599
also like that would make your face so much more irritable,
1190
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:02.480
like dry shave even just with your sweat, like in
1191
01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:05.199
the middle of the of like these climates like that
1192
01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:07.719
would just I would be stinging the whole time. Maybe
1193
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:09.079
that's part of it. It makes you feel well.
1194
01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:11.960
That's also the lesson of predator is like have a
1195
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:13.280
skin routine.
1196
01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:16.480
You know, take care of yourself.
1197
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:19.159
That's why he takes the skin off of them, because
1198
01:00:19.159 --> 01:00:20.599
he's right.
1199
01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:21.800
That's what happens.
1200
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:25.599
Yeah, if you don't moisturize, they decide in this moment
1201
01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:28.079
to take a stand. They do not get to the Choppa.
1202
01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:30.360
He's like, the chopper can wait, We're gonna like take
1203
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:32.079
a stand, and they come up with this plan to
1204
01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:35.679
set up tripwires. Mac Mac who's clearly losing it, gets
1205
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:38.239
the mission to set up everything with traps and tripwires
1206
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:40.840
and flares and grenades, and they do this thing where
1207
01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:42.960
they're trying to lead it through the one point that
1208
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:46.320
doesn't have traps, like they're doing a very basic Yeah.
1209
01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:49.000
And this is awesome because it's like in a movie
1210
01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:52.480
like this, they're like they do the smart thing, you know,
1211
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:55.400
after after you know, the barrage of firing the weapons
1212
01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:57.840
in the forest and not not doing a thing, they're like,
1213
01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:02.480
let's collect ourselves and let's be smart about this. You know,
1214
01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:05.559
they don't, they don't split up like a Scooby Doo cartoon,
1215
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:08.840
and the audience it's like, oh, these aren't dumb summer
1216
01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:11.360
campers in the probably thirteenth movie. These are guys who
1217
01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:14.039
know how to deal with this situation and they're still screwed.
1218
01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:16.840
Yeah, and it's good. It's also good because it sets
1219
01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:18.840
up what Arnold does at the end of the movie
1220
01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:20.599
with the traps, where it's like that doesn't come out
1221
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:23.320
of nowhere. You see them setting up those log and
1222
01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:25.880
spike traps right like this is something that they know
1223
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:27.719
how to do in a jungle, so that when we
1224
01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:30.440
get to the third act and he's doing it. We're like, oh,
1225
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:33.639
he just knows how to do this. It's established, this
1226
01:01:33.679 --> 01:01:36.280
is part of their repertoire, and yeah, and it works,
1227
01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:39.199
and they're trying to funnel it through. It skipped over
1228
01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:41.960
the part where like a trip wire goes off and
1229
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:44.679
mac kills like a wild boar and they all laugh
1230
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:46.280
at him because they're supportive friends.
1231
01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:50.360
But yeah, so so then yeah, so this is the
1232
01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:53.079
other point where Billy laughs, he loses.
1233
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:56.519
His shit over Bill do killing the pig, and it's
1234
01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:58.519
and as I was like.
1235
01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:02.559
Hey, your friend just had a really hard day, like
1236
01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:05.400
his best friend just had a.
1237
01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:08.239
Giant hole, you know, blue through him. Yeah, and you're
1238
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:12.440
like laughing. But it's also a very guy moment, right, Yeah.
1239
01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:16.480
It's a Billy. Billy's humor is his comrades in the
1240
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:21.000
throes of emotional turmoil and that one pussy joke.
1241
01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:27.280
This is the complications of Billy. I like, how dutch
1242
01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:30.760
you know, though he is not a subtle rescue operative,
1243
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:32.800
they do and yeah, they do a good job of
1244
01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:35.880
making him savvy and smart. Uh we talked about here.
1245
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:38.400
He's like, okay, we need to set these traps. Even earlier,
1246
01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:41.840
when Hawkins is killed, and some people are immediately like
1247
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:44.719
suspicious of Anna, and he's like, you know why she
1248
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:47.280
has no weapon? Why didn't you take his radio? Like
1249
01:02:47.559 --> 01:02:49.840
you know, he is uh uh, you know, he is
1250
01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:51.480
thinking in the moment, like we you know, we can
1251
01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:53.199
believe that this is a guy that's click on his
1252
01:02:53.239 --> 01:02:54.480
feet in a situation like this.
1253
01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:57.440
And by the way, their trap works, except that it's
1254
01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:00.559
a predator and has lasers because they it's caught in
1255
01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:04.000
the net. It actually steps into the trap, it falls
1256
01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:06.280
for it, but it escapes and sets off a whole
1257
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:10.039
bunch of shit which like crushes Poncho's ribs with the
1258
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:13.199
log and then everything gets into chaos. And this is
1259
01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:17.760
when Mac decides to go after it, and that's understandable.
1260
01:03:18.440 --> 01:03:20.320
Dylan decides to have a change of part, which I
1261
01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:22.679
wish was set up a little better, but it seems
1262
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:26.920
to come right when Dylan, when Dylan sees the actual predator,
1263
01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:30.760
because this whole thing causes his armor to the illusion
1264
01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:34.000
camouflage to malfunction a little and he gets the glimpse
1265
01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:37.119
of the predator in his armor, and that's right at
1266
01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:39.679
the moment when he decides to stay behind and really
1267
01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:43.039
coolly it doesn't pay off very well because they don't
1268
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:46.039
team up for very long. Him teaming up with Mac,
1269
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:48.159
who they you know, there was hostility between them at
1270
01:03:48.159 --> 01:03:53.239
the outset to kill this predator. They get owned pretty quickly,
1271
01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:58.480
but you know it's the the intent accounts here, which
1272
01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:01.280
is to say, but yeah, this is when they take
1273
01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:05.159
the injured Poncho to the evacuation point and Dylan and
1274
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:07.079
Max stay behind, and.
1275
01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:08.880
We get it's always funny when you watch like a
1276
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:12.480
movie like this that will spawn a franchise, spawn lore,
1277
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:14.440
none of which they know at the moment that they're
1278
01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:17.440
making this movie that's gonna happen. So everything feels more
1279
01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:20.199
significant now than it would have then. So it's like, oh,
1280
01:04:20.440 --> 01:04:24.920
Mac gets the first triple target the predators, like the
1281
01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:31.039
three beams, and then shortly after Dylan gets the retractable
1282
01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:33.519
clause that he has. He's not like Wolverine where they're
1283
01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:36.039
actually part of his body, but that on his armor.
1284
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:38.079
He's got the clause that can pop out from the
1285
01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:40.920
wrist gauntlet. So all these things that are going to
1286
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:44.559
become very used, very cool sometimes if you fight has
1287
01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:46.320
a predator, say in a video game, you're going to
1288
01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:49.039
use all this stuff this is where it's all established.
1289
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:51.920
Yeah, I feel like Max should have known that was
1290
01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:55.159
a laser site because he's like, it's on his arm
1291
01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:57.679
and hand. He's like, what's this and he peaks at it.
1292
01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:02.280
And I also like how the Predator his tactics, like
1293
01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:04.360
it's not just a random movie. It's like really well
1294
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:08.559
thought out. Like to kill Dylan, he disarms him literally,
1295
01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:10.960
but he's like, I'm not moving in close to kill
1296
01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:13.880
him until his gun is gone. He lasers his arm off,
1297
01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:16.280
then he runs in for the stab, but like he
1298
01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:18.239
you know, the Predator's got it going on, is what
1299
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:21.559
I'm saying, even though he's at a little craven bitch.
1300
01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:24.719
But yeah, so he's smart about it. Even though he's
1301
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:27.559
like eight feet tall. He's very smart, smarter than he
1302
01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:28.440
needs to be for his height.
1303
01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:30.639
But yeah, no, you get, you get he's been watching
1304
01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:32.760
these guys the whole movie, and so you get the
1305
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:35.159
idea that he yeah, he he knows how they operate
1306
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:37.239
at this point, and he's going to sort of adapt
1307
01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:38.519
for each of them.
1308
01:05:38.440 --> 01:05:41.119
And he knows their guns can hurt him, let's see,
1309
01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:45.840
even with his armor. And then we get this moment
1310
01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:48.639
where Billy stays behind so Max and Dylan stay behind,
1311
01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:52.519
Billy stays behind. Billy is like it's all of it
1312
01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:55.239
is like half personal reasons like I want to take
1313
01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:58.480
out this motherfucker, and also like you got trying to
1314
01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:01.440
save their friends, like being selfless about it. That's also
1315
01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:04.599
a little percentage of it, which is like Poncho's injured,
1316
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:06.960
get him to the helicopter and all that stuff. But
1317
01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:10.679
then Billy is also more like almost sort of facing
1318
01:06:10.719 --> 01:06:14.719
his fate, right, yeah, project we project onto this Native
1319
01:06:14.719 --> 01:06:18.079
American character, this sense of destiny that we have seen
1320
01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:20.480
just sort of hammered into us from movies and TV
1321
01:06:20.599 --> 01:06:23.719
as far as like even his prophetic you we're all
1322
01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:28.079
gonna die. It's very much like he's just meeting his
1323
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:30.440
death head on. He knows he's not gonna make it.
1324
01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:33.199
Almost right, I almost.
1325
01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:35.840
Wonder, I mean, there's kind of this and maybe I'm
1326
01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:39.559
reading too much into it of like is there's some
1327
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:43.800
history with the Predator there, Like I don't know, like
1328
01:06:44.199 --> 01:06:46.719
it doesn't the movie never comes out and says it,
1329
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:50.199
but like you know, like him kind of him kind
1330
01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:54.079
of like clutching, you know, the medallion around his neck,
1331
01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:57.000
and and maybe it is just fate and.
1332
01:06:57.079 --> 01:07:00.480
Well, it could be a life of Chuck situation where
1333
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:02.679
like even as a kid, it's like he knew when
1334
01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:04.800
and how in some form he's going to die and
1335
01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:07.679
this is the moment. Or it could also be and
1336
01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:09.800
this is nothing we could be we could know at
1337
01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:13.400
the moment because it's extrapolated later and like Prey, but
1338
01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:18.760
like I don't know like specifically what nation Billy belongs to,
1339
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.280
but like the fact that like predators in the past
1340
01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:26.639
have actually targeted the Native Americans in America. Uh, you know,
1341
01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:29.559
maybe that maybe the stories got around maybe a new
1342
01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:31.119
a person who knew a person who knew a person,
1343
01:07:31.159 --> 01:07:34.239
and like through like storytelling and through like his you know,
1344
01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:37.800
his family, he's heard about something like this is yeah,
1345
01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:38.920
some of that.
1346
01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:44.559
Like like suddenly like almost any like evil spirit or
1347
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:47.760
monster story could have been the predator, you know.
1348
01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:50.760
But that was very much like with Anna too, you
1349
01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:53.079
know when she's talking about her childhood stuff.
1350
01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:54.960
Right, And I think I know when Prey came out,
1351
01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:57.679
they talked about Billy a lot because it's that is
1352
01:07:57.719 --> 01:07:59.800
that it's that fine line. Again, a lot of these
1353
01:07:59.840 --> 01:08:02.800
things of this era are, which is on one hand,
1354
01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:05.840
he's sort of a trope character, and that he's like
1355
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:09.679
the mystical Native American's these things we don't yet. He
1356
01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:12.960
has gravity to him. He's a cool character, you know,
1357
01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:15.960
a cool presence, so he doesn't feel like, oh, that's
1358
01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:18.800
just silly nonsense, like we can we can actually like
1359
01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:21.680
see the gravitas around the character. And when he does
1360
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:24.079
this thing, like we said, this sacrifice that he could
1361
01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:26.239
read a couple of ways. I'm gonna give you time,
1362
01:08:26.319 --> 01:08:28.840
but also I think we might all die and that
1363
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:31.800
there's no way out of this. I still think it
1364
01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:33.359
kind of it works either way.
1365
01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:33.680
You know.
1366
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:37.279
Well, the fact that he's it's mentioned earlier that he's scared,
1367
01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:39.840
and they're like he's not scared of no man, and
1368
01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:42.520
like he's facing this thing that he's all so clearly
1369
01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:44.680
scared of, and so it is his he's facing his
1370
01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:47.279
death and we don't know what went down because we
1371
01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:49.840
just hear the scream. But like when the predator sees
1372
01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:51.720
him with just the knife and he's cut himself and
1373
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:54.039
he's got no shirt on to the predator like do
1374
01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:56.279
a monoy mono thing or did he take him out
1375
01:08:56.279 --> 01:08:59.000
like a like a little idiot, like with his laser,
1376
01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:02.279
Like did he give Billy a fight, is what I'm
1377
01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:04.439
hoping right right right.
1378
01:09:04.720 --> 01:09:06.920
Billy definitely didn't buy them much time.
1379
01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:10.399
No, no, he didn't at all. It seemed pretty quick
1380
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:14.720
and he just mercy shots Poncho in the head. And
1381
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:19.000
this is when Anna takes off to the extraction point
1382
01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:22.399
and the predator starts chasing Dutch, and Dutch is saved
1383
01:09:22.439 --> 01:09:24.720
only because he goes down like a landslide off a
1384
01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:28.439
cliff into the water. And this opens up the third
1385
01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:30.960
act of the movie when it's just Dutch versus the predator.
1386
01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:34.520
And but we get the one thing that like the
1387
01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:37.960
one advantage Dutch will have, which is like the mud,
1388
01:09:38.199 --> 01:09:40.640
like he sort of like happens across this mud that
1389
01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:43.840
blocks his thermal heat signature when it's all over him.
1390
01:09:44.760 --> 01:09:48.279
Reports had that Schwartzenegro is quite miserable filming for the
1391
01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:50.279
weeks of this part, which is like he had to
1392
01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:52.720
have the crested shit all over him the whole time.
1393
01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:56.119
And but yeah, this is like the one thing where
1394
01:09:56.159 --> 01:09:59.159
he's invisible. He's like, I can if I'm invisible, I
1395
01:09:59.239 --> 01:10:01.319
can set up the I can said it my classic
1396
01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:05.000
Dutch log spike traps and lure him out and it's
1397
01:10:05.039 --> 01:10:08.920
a It's great too, because it's not a third act
1398
01:10:09.279 --> 01:10:12.279
action hero moment that we're used to from the eighties.
1399
01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:15.359
It's very much a little more cerebral here. He's trying
1400
01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:18.079
to trap this thing and not get into it with him.
1401
01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:20.399
He's not trying to have a firefight or a fistfight
1402
01:10:20.439 --> 01:10:22.159
with this thing, right, it's not.
1403
01:10:22.359 --> 01:10:27.239
It's not the commando and earlier in this movie gearing up,
1404
01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:30.239
get me all the guns, get me like the coolest
1405
01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:33.159
highest tech stuff. First of all, it's a very like
1406
01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:36.359
back to nature. It's literally like I have to kind
1407
01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:40.479
of get primal to beat this guy. And also, yeah,
1408
01:10:40.520 --> 01:10:44.039
it will not be my big fancy guns. Uh, you know,
1409
01:10:44.399 --> 01:10:46.800
Blaine's gun being kind of the biggest example of that
1410
01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:49.720
didn't matter to actually stop this thing. Also, by the way,
1411
01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:53.119
we talk about the slow reveal the at this point
1412
01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:55.920
it's it's Camos fully shorting out and we get our
1413
01:10:56.000 --> 01:10:59.359
best look at it in the armor the face mask,
1414
01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:01.920
like you know what this thing actually looks.
1415
01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:04.279
And little do we know that's not the final reveal, right,
1416
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:07.880
you know, so that's even cooler. Brent, what do you
1417
01:11:07.880 --> 01:11:09.159
think of this third act?
1418
01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:10.239
Oh?
1419
01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:13.039
If you're like hated, this is where the movie drops off.
1420
01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:16.920
This is I honestly, I laughed. No, I mean it's
1421
01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:20.399
it's just the way through it.
1422
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:27.000
Yeah, I'm a short attention spar No, I mean, man, yeah,
1423
01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:32.239
it's it really is, like it's so you know, it's
1424
01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:36.439
so elegantly simple. It's such a perfect and again, I
1425
01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:40.359
I don't think I can imagine like even Terminator, right,
1426
01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:42.880
there was talk of having O. J. Simpson as the
1427
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:45.720
Terminator or Lance Hendrickson as the Terminator, which would have
1428
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:48.960
been much different movies. But I don't see any other
1429
01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:51.279
actions start in this role pulling.
1430
01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:53.680
It off the way Shortzenegger does, like it is.
1431
01:11:54.319 --> 01:11:58.800
It is sort of like this gladiatorial thing with him
1432
01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:03.720
at his peak. And yeah, it just the movie flies
1433
01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:05.000
from this point forward, you know.
1434
01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:08.079
Yeah, it looks so cool at night with the explosions
1435
01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:11.319
and the sparks, like lighting up the area in the
1436
01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:14.039
complete darkness. It looks great, like it's so well lit
1437
01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:16.720
with the fire, like the raging fire he's got going
1438
01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:19.680
to any time that he throws like an explosion arrow
1439
01:12:19.760 --> 01:12:22.199
or spear like, and it looks so cool.
1440
01:12:22.319 --> 01:12:26.680
And it's there's also this thing where I remember someone
1441
01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:32.319
saying to me once, most of the time the audience
1442
01:12:32.399 --> 01:12:36.079
knows what's coming. The fun is them waiting to get it,
1443
01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:39.920
you know, and this movie's absolutely that we know it's
1444
01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:42.319
going to be them facing off, you.
1445
01:12:42.279 --> 01:12:50.119
Know, and Swarzenegger versus Predator, just like the pen, the
1446
01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:51.960
prophecy of the pen you were given.
1447
01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:56.520
But yeah, it's like, as I mentioned before, the Tarzan
1448
01:12:56.760 --> 01:12:59.680
yell he gives, and it is that bring it on.
1449
01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:03.520
More, Brent, I really wish it was a actual Tarzan yell,
1450
01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:04.680
and he was like, h.
1451
01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:10.279
It probably was. At one point. I even don't even
1452
01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:12.000
think that's Schorzenegger's yell.
1453
01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:14.600
I was gonna sound I was gonna.
1454
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:16.439
Says such a much better yell than I would have
1455
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:19.479
thought he could do, given all that just might be
1456
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:24.479
living forty years with everyone going ah, you know, like
1457
01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:26.600
Schwarzenegger impersonation.
1458
01:13:28.720 --> 01:13:30.760
But yeah, we talked about how, yeah, this all looks
1459
01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:34.319
so cool. The third act here gets more atmospheric, gets dark,
1460
01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:37.359
and then yeah, I also like that you can read
1461
01:13:37.399 --> 01:13:40.439
into it that the Predator at this point, because this
1462
01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:43.159
is the last guy he's trying to get. It feels
1463
01:13:43.159 --> 01:13:45.199
like he gets kind of pissed at what he starts
1464
01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:49.159
shooting wildly at one point, and so it feels like
1465
01:13:49.239 --> 01:13:52.600
he's getting frustrated. And then that visual of Dutch you
1466
01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:55.720
hiding right near him and the sparks falling in this
1467
01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:59.199
tight close ups looks great like it looks it's it's
1468
01:13:59.319 --> 01:13:59.920
very very cool.
1469
01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:04.520
Dutch was very fortunate that the predator took this time
1470
01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:09.560
to do his his trophy's cleaning, you know, like taking
1471
01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:12.039
the spine out of his victims and like taking the
1472
01:14:12.039 --> 01:14:13.920
skull and cleaning him off, because that gave him trap
1473
01:14:13.960 --> 01:14:17.159
building time. Like it, the predator didn't go right after him.
1474
01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:19.439
As soon as the predator lost him in the mud,
1475
01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:21.560
the predator's like, well, I guess I better get back
1476
01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:25.239
to my arts and crafts and I'll catch up with
1477
01:14:25.279 --> 01:14:28.000
this guy later. But it's Dutch that calls him out.
1478
01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:31.000
He probably would have stopped looking for Dutch, honestly, because
1479
01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:32.159
he was doing his skull.
1480
01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:34.199
Shit and he was holding the skull so lovingly.
1481
01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:37.560
Yeah, look at this, he's petting it. And then Dutches
1482
01:14:37.600 --> 01:14:39.800
like lures him out with fire like the light to
1483
01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:43.680
draw him toward the heat signature and luring him into
1484
01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:46.680
a trap. But yeah, like he also that moment where
1485
01:14:46.760 --> 01:14:48.880
he's right behind me is and he like he lands
1486
01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:51.079
and we're so used to now in this movie what
1487
01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:53.920
the camouflage illusion looks like, like we can make it
1488
01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:56.880
out as audience members, and it lands behind him and
1489
01:14:56.920 --> 01:14:58.840
then it crawls past him and he has to be
1490
01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:02.439
really still as it does that. Yeah, he just plays
1491
01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:06.359
it all smartly and I liked it both. Everyone in
1492
01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:08.920
this movie gets moments of intelligence, which is great. So
1493
01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:12.880
even like when he fucks up in like lands in
1494
01:15:12.920 --> 01:15:14.760
the water and it washes all his mot off. He's
1495
01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:18.319
trying to lure the predator through this under croft or
1496
01:15:18.319 --> 01:15:21.359
whatever to get spiked that the predator sees that it's
1497
01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:23.600
a trap. He goes around and well.
1498
01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:26.479
This this is a strong memory for me of Opening
1499
01:15:26.600 --> 01:15:31.640
Night because I remember audience members going, oh, like when
1500
01:15:31.680 --> 01:15:35.159
he when he notices this the trap like a god
1501
01:15:35.239 --> 01:15:39.199
audible response, and it's great. But also we should mention
1502
01:15:39.279 --> 01:15:43.680
that he does physically fight the predator, and again, to
1503
01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:46.359
the movie's credit and to Arnold's credit, at this point,
1504
01:15:46.760 --> 01:15:49.319
he is not gonna he can't win, like like the
1505
01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:52.000
predator is physically and as we joked about with like
1506
01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:55.840
contract stipulations rumored about action stars and stuff, but it's
1507
01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:58.039
like he is not going to beat this guy in
1508
01:15:58.079 --> 01:15:58.800
a physical it.
1509
01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:01.640
Gives him a few punches that yeah, that like land
1510
01:16:01.880 --> 01:16:04.640
like it's like hitting a brick wall or Likedi's hull, Coogan,
1511
01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:07.439
you know, like this like it's not gonna have any response.
1512
01:16:08.079 --> 01:16:11.119
And at this point too, the movie's so stripped down.
1513
01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:15.880
There's no all of that hardware between the soldiers and
1514
01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:19.880
the predator is gone. It's just really these two add
1515
01:16:19.880 --> 01:16:21.159
it in such an awesome way.
1516
01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:23.560
And we get the h and when the predator lifts
1517
01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:25.479
him up by his neck and like look studies his
1518
01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:29.960
skull through his predator vision. That's when the predators like, okay,
1519
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:33.319
armor off, We're just gonna go at it like like
1520
01:16:33.359 --> 01:16:36.079
a like a man versus alien. And he takes his
1521
01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:38.279
mask off, and we see the reveal of the amazing
1522
01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:42.319
stan Winston creation, which was apparently inspired by James Cameron
1523
01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:44.159
on during a plane ride being like, hey, you should
1524
01:16:44.199 --> 01:16:45.520
give him these fucked up crab face.
1525
01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:49.600
The mandibles were a Cameron suggestion, so we should mention
1526
01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:53.239
in the stan Winston history we're a year out from aliens.
1527
01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:56.079
Stan Winston obviously didn't design the original alien that was
1528
01:16:56.239 --> 01:16:59.359
hr Guger, but he designed the alien queen and updated
1529
01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:02.279
the Aliens for the second movie, and that, yeah, him
1530
01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:04.720
and Cameron weren't a plane together. He was telling him
1531
01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:08.119
about the Predator and his design, and for some reason
1532
01:17:08.159 --> 01:17:11.239
James Cameron's like give him mandibles, given these big these
1533
01:17:11.239 --> 01:17:14.039
big teeth. But it's also amazing because, like we said,
1534
01:17:14.279 --> 01:17:17.680
this was a lot of a big change during production,
1535
01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:21.159
since VANDAM actually did shoot a couple of days that
1536
01:17:21.239 --> 01:17:23.279
they did a big reworking of what the creature would
1537
01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:24.920
look like, and it became kind of one of the
1538
01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:27.640
all time iconic looks for an alien creature.
1539
01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:31.840
Yeah, and and he's and that's the your one ugly
1540
01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:35.319
motherfucker line. But yeah, that whole like roar, the hiss
1541
01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:38.119
of him opening his mouth, like it's such a great mask.
1542
01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:41.439
Like that whole makeup done for the Predator, and it
1543
01:17:41.479 --> 01:17:43.239
gives another layer to the movie where it's like we're
1544
01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:45.279
used to this villain being invisible, then we're used to
1545
01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:47.720
this villain and the armor, and now we're fatacing this
1546
01:17:47.840 --> 01:17:50.800
creature that looks very much much more like an alien
1547
01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:53.640
and less like a cyborg or whatever you might think
1548
01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:56.399
of the super Soldier and the armor, and yeah, it
1549
01:17:56.439 --> 01:17:59.279
just kicks Schwartz niggers ass. It doesn't fall for the trap,
1550
01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:02.039
but it events falls for the mechanism of the trap,
1551
01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:05.800
which is the log that falls and crushes it. And
1552
01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:10.000
this is when we get to see the predator do
1553
01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:13.479
the bitchiest move in the entire Yaucha playbook, which.
1554
01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:16.159
Is, I mean guess again, we don't know, We don't
1555
01:18:16.159 --> 01:18:19.239
know yet. If this would be all predators, this one
1556
01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:24.800
is certainly a Sowred loser, because absolutely this one's like
1557
01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:27.319
you got me, and instead of any sort of respect,
1558
01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:30.119
is like, I'm just gonna blow us both up, you know,
1559
01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:33.199
or we're both gonna die here and I'm gonna make
1560
01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:35.520
a I'm gonna pair up. Billy's laugh back at you
1561
01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:36.359
one more time.
1562
01:18:37.119 --> 01:18:40.039
It sounds great echoing through the echoing, which like in
1563
01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:49.479
a large pussy echoing through the jungle. Also when he
1564
01:18:49.600 --> 01:18:51.720
says what the hell are you and then the predator
1565
01:18:52.199 --> 01:18:55.319
now seemingly in its own voice saying what the hell
1566
01:18:55.359 --> 01:18:58.399
are you back to him, is it works on a
1567
01:18:58.399 --> 01:19:01.359
couple levels. One is you can actually as an exchange
1568
01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:02.720
he's like, what the hell are you? Was like, well,
1569
01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:04.960
what the hell are you? He's actually talking to him?
1570
01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:08.600
Or is the predator mimicking like, that's creepy.
1571
01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:09.840
But what am I?
1572
01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:13.479
Well, he's just saying back what he hears because he
1573
01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:15.840
doesn't speak Englist. It's not like he speaks English and
1574
01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:17.119
can converse with him.
1575
01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:20.239
But my third option, Matt, is that he is just
1576
01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:27.560
mocking him and enjoy that you look like an idiot, like.
1577
01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:30.159
In the in the screenplay itself, it was actually in
1578
01:19:30.199 --> 01:19:32.600
that sarcastic SpongeBob font which is.
1579
01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:41.560
Like Predator at his bitchiest. What the hell?
1580
01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:45.039
The parenthetical is just like you.
1581
01:19:48.079 --> 01:19:52.880
The most sass.
1582
01:19:52.920 --> 01:19:57.560
Just yeah, totally and in parentheses. Yeah, so.
1583
01:20:04.520 --> 01:20:05.720
That's really and then.
1584
01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:09.399
Yeah, then it gets the very classic action thing, which
1585
01:20:09.439 --> 01:20:11.880
is like running and diving from the big explosion, which
1586
01:20:11.920 --> 01:20:14.800
looks awesome it especially again lit up in the in
1587
01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:18.239
the jungle at night. And then uh, just the solemn
1588
01:20:18.399 --> 01:20:22.199
rescue of like them both being on the helicopter Anna
1589
01:20:22.239 --> 01:20:26.000
and Dutch and they've just they're both traumatized, followed by
1590
01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:31.439
a truly inspired choice to make sitcom style credits.
1591
01:20:31.119 --> 01:20:35.399
And rather so, first I want to mention, I mean,
1592
01:20:35.439 --> 01:20:38.039
I know I mentioned up topic. Yeah, I really like that. Yeah,
1593
01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:41.000
the last time we see Dutch is not I got
1594
01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:44.920
him I'm badass. It's more like I survived, Like you know,
1595
01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:48.039
it's like that. The way it's played by Schwarzenegger, the
1596
01:20:48.119 --> 01:20:50.720
way it's shot is like I made it through, not
1597
01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:55.359
like you know, hell yeah. But yes, a very crazy
1598
01:20:55.800 --> 01:20:59.279
closing credits. I don't know if they've talked about why
1599
01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:02.359
are how this happen? And uh is bizarre, but I'm
1600
01:21:02.399 --> 01:21:05.079
still glad it's there. But it's also you know who,
1601
01:21:05.119 --> 01:21:08.479
I think the funny because Warschinger notably doesn't have He
1602
01:21:08.520 --> 01:21:10.159
didn't shoot a no, the.
1603
01:21:10.199 --> 01:21:13.039
Case is just a shot from the shot from the movie,
1604
01:21:13.119 --> 01:21:16.279
so either he backed and left or like he was
1605
01:21:16.319 --> 01:21:18.399
filming and they were like, hey, everybody else on set,
1606
01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:21.199
let's just do this silly shit. Uh, because they use
1607
01:21:21.279 --> 01:21:24.680
it Dutch turning around at a very pivotal moment of
1608
01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:25.000
the movie.
1609
01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:27.319
Yeah, but the one I realized is the weirdest to me.
1610
01:21:27.399 --> 01:21:29.399
They're all funny. It's just a funny movie to end
1611
01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:33.159
this on but Anna, because everyone else we see have
1612
01:21:33.359 --> 01:21:36.520
moments of levity. Everyone else does have a moment where
1613
01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:39.600
they'd be smiling or laughing. But Anna is literally just
1614
01:21:39.640 --> 01:21:43.840
a traumatized prisoner of war, right, so when she looks
1615
01:21:43.880 --> 01:21:46.920
up at smiles. It's like, whoa, that's a totally different.
1616
01:21:47.479 --> 01:21:50.159
She does smile. Okay, yeah, it's like.
1617
01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:54.520
Here, here are the Predator players. It's just it's like
1618
01:21:54.560 --> 01:21:56.159
they were a high school production.
1619
01:21:57.680 --> 01:21:59.159
This is a comic bah.
1620
01:21:59.439 --> 01:22:01.520
I don't know about you, but I would absolutely see
1621
01:22:01.560 --> 01:22:03.800
a Max Fisher production of Predator.
1622
01:22:05.880 --> 01:22:10.479
Reading a black Reading Guest Sergeant Rock comic book, which
1623
01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:13.560
a movie that Schwarzenegger would be attached to never happened.
1624
01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:16.079
They still have not made a Sergeant Rock movie, but
1625
01:22:16.119 --> 01:22:18.600
at one point there was an iteration of it. But yes,
1626
01:22:18.880 --> 01:22:21.680
a strange way to end the movie, but an entertaining one.
1627
01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:25.640
Nonetheless, I remember reading how like and again this was
1628
01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:26.399
a trouble like.
1629
01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:28.079
I don't know if it was a troubled production.
1630
01:22:28.119 --> 01:22:30.640
I don't think it was troubled, but it was a chaotic.
1631
01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:34.720
Yeah. I think it was rowdy and drug fueled, and
1632
01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:36.439
I know there was a lot of at least uh
1633
01:22:37.000 --> 01:22:40.760
weed down there smoked. Ventura has said so, but also
1634
01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:46.039
he's a liar. But what I'll say is that I
1635
01:22:46.039 --> 01:22:48.199
think it was just like, I think it was rowdy.
1636
01:22:48.319 --> 01:22:50.680
I don't know that any I would like has has
1637
01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:53.840
the actressho played Anna has spoken about being the female
1638
01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:57.359
on this set, and it was actually an okay experience
1639
01:22:57.359 --> 01:22:57.640
for her.
1640
01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:00.279
No, I because I thought, yeah, I don't I don't
1641
01:23:00.319 --> 01:23:02.000
know what she says. By the way, I just realized
1642
01:23:02.039 --> 01:23:06.159
she was the mom in Blue Beetle. But yeah, I
1643
01:23:06.239 --> 01:23:08.800
just from what i'll I gather, it's it was a
1644
01:23:08.840 --> 01:23:12.079
caesosterone film set. But also it was an arduous shoot,
1645
01:23:12.159 --> 01:23:15.760
you know, long hours in the jungle. You know, it
1646
01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:17.359
was just a difficult movie to make.
1647
01:23:18.079 --> 01:23:22.000
The creature, the creature effect wasn't there till really late.
1648
01:23:22.239 --> 01:23:27.000
But I also I also even remember reading that they
1649
01:23:27.079 --> 01:23:31.399
didn't have an ending, like they didn't have it quite
1650
01:23:31.560 --> 01:23:34.520
figured out how Schwartzeneg was going to take this thing out.
1651
01:23:34.560 --> 01:23:37.439
And I think even the explosion was something that was
1652
01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:41.439
kind of conceived, kind of at the last minute, you know,
1653
01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:44.199
because that there was some concern that it would come
1654
01:23:44.239 --> 01:23:46.880
off like a road Runner cartoon or something like that,
1655
01:23:47.199 --> 01:23:49.560
because it is very unlike the movie of the time
1656
01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:53.920
of like the hero not just blowing this thing to hell,
1657
01:23:54.279 --> 01:23:57.960
you know, the Jaws ending, like it's Key out smarts
1658
01:23:58.000 --> 01:24:02.199
it and the movie actually gets smaller, not bigger.
1659
01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:05.079
But yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense to me because
1660
01:24:05.119 --> 01:24:08.439
if he had, only if he defeated it and killed
1661
01:24:08.439 --> 01:24:11.800
it with the giant log. Yes, it works for what
1662
01:24:11.840 --> 01:24:14.279
the movie's doing thematically, but I can also see them needing.
1663
01:24:14.920 --> 01:24:17.680
So maybe maybe the Predator got sold out by the studio.
1664
01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:18.000
Matt.
1665
01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:22.159
He's like, okay, there explosion, So that's why he's gonna
1666
01:24:22.159 --> 01:24:24.600
do this thing at the very end and set off
1667
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his self destruct.
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You could also say it's it's the Predator hiding its
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tracks of like it doesn't want to be found, studied
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and kept as a trophy, you know, like it doesn't
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want you know, which is also a bitch move.
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Right right either way. But I think it all works
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with like the whatever the various reasons, what the studio
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wanted or what the Prenator wanted. I still think it
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does work with the self destruct, especially because, like we said,
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it doesn't then have arnold you know, make a pun
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or you know, it doesn't say character change.
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Yeah, blast off, right, predator.
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Every We're so close, We're so close, We're so close.
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Oh man, it was and I could tell it was
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going to be really profound, not to put not to
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put any pressure on Matt, but what he was about
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to say was really going to wrap this up.
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I know, I know, my I got a big thunderstorm
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here now and now my internet's going out again, and
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so uh, let's figure out how to wrap it. Uh,
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we'll be back with Predators to next week. It's chaos here.
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Predator is an amazing movie.
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Brent.
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Thank you so much for joining us. I know, thanks
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for having me that you're you're a busy dude, right
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01:25:41.560 --> 01:25:43.720
and about the penguins and the mega minds and whatnot.
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01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:46.399
So thank you for joining us. I know that you
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love this movie as we both do. And okay, has
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01:25:50.359 --> 01:25:53.199
he's freezing again? Uh, Brett, tell us where we can
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find you on social media? These movie's coming up.
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01:25:55.720 --> 01:25:58.000
Oh wait, we lost you for a second. I was
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01:25:58.039 --> 01:25:59.960
asking Brett where we could find him on social media.
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I'm on Blue Sky, Brent times a blue Sky and
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an Instagram, So yeah, come see how do you come?
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Say howdy and follow him? Yeah, this is a super
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01:26:09.800 --> 01:26:12.880
cool movie that I'm very happy revisiting. I feel personally
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I've like grown to love this movie more over the
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years and kind of appreciate more what it was doing
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01:26:17.319 --> 01:26:19.279
at the time that was like sort of special about it.
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01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:22.319
So it was special to revisit it. All right, Brent,
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are you ready to say the word shakma after Matt
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and I do?
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Oh please, I'm looking forward to this.
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All right, all right, once Matt unfreezes. I'm trying to
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vamp here to let Matt unfreeze.
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I know, I know, just this is when, this is
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01:26:36.279 --> 01:26:39.279
when I say, this is me being like Billy standing
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01:26:39.319 --> 01:26:43.560
up to the Predator. Go on without meaa chama, just
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01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:45.039
rack up chakma.
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01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:50.000
Sa chama, and that is how you end up podcast
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01:26:50.319 --> 01:26:53.720
super awkwardly. Thanks again to Brent for being there with us,
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just jumping on to mention that Matt was having severe
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internet issues because of whether we'd actually already had to
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go back and re record one part at this point,
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and then he was dropping off completely couldn't get back on.
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So sorry for the sort of a strange way that
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01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:11.760
might have ended for those of you listening. But thanks
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01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:13.800
again to Brent, and we'll be back next week with
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Predator two, which is available on Hulu or Disney Plus
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with Hulu. See you next time, And one last Shakma.
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I'm