Gap Year or Go For It?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to bring you out to our huddles.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You are in!
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[SPEAKER_03]: Where's Huddle with me, Brahm, and rejoining me, after man, much longer than I can possibly justify and incredibly close friend and the producer of this podcast, M.T.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's going on?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's up, Deb Nation in Bungie?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh fancy international start and since I'm the only fucking person who knows you just came back from Brazil I'm gonna guess it's a Brazilian hello or something, but That is the extent of my Portuguese so let's stop there
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was impressed and I'd like to be considered a citizen of the world for being able to recognize that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We got an off the court segment coming up here in a minute.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to hear as many stories as you're willing to tell me about Brazil.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But before we do, just a quick softball about the off season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because we haven't heard from you for a minute.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, even internationally, I'm sure you were aware of the angst.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's 30 teams in the NBA.
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[SPEAKER_03]: 29 of those teams have welcomed in a free agent signing and a new player.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One has not that one is the Golden State Warriors people are a little pissy about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How are you experiencing this offseason?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you upset?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, where does this find you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in the unfortunate space of just acceptance and this was the exact same conversation we had last off season where everybody had made the move except for the warriors and then we were like, oh, it'll be fine and now I'm just resigned to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, it's par for the course here, we'll probably get into it, but I don't know, I'm starting to lose a little faith in and having the blind trust of just Mike D. will figure it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I miss Bob Myers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What do you say that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's possible, though, announced a third year on Al Horford's contract today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there's big things that are coming to do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'll have you know they did make a sign in last year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was Al Horford.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we would not have his services right now if they hadn't done exactly that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure you heard it when we talked about it, but the only thing that was more disappointing about the whole Like LePron might come, and it kind of feels like in a 51% and here he goes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then no, the only thing more disappointing than the no was the no because fucking Bob Myers was the guy who snagged him to another team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, um, okay, then we're in a similar place.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Whisk me away to Brazil for a moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The normal idea is if we are talking to people who cover teams, they experience things off the court.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They see shit that we wouldn't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so we'd love their stories.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the same idea, but kind of a little bit different.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've never been to fucking Brazil.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen the city of God, which is probably the same, but I've never been to Brazil.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You have now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Tell us about a man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What stories stick out?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was an interesting trip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So my wife is Brazilian and we went back there to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have our daughter meet a bunch of family from there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So as a long trip, little over three weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I went in expecting it to be just soccer culture and just an influx of,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that sport kind of taking over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And while it was, um, I was surprised in my brother too, who joined us for a little bit at how much they're into basketball there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are more soccer courts and, you know, like even on the beach, you know, they do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: future volley, which is like volleyball, but with your feet and head, which is incredible too, because to spike it, like you would with your hand and a normal volleyball, they do it with their feet and a bicycle kick, which is impressive to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that said, there were
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[SPEAKER_00]: a ton more basketball courts than we were anticipating and every time we saw people playing soccer late at night there were also people on the basketball court right next to a playing basketball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was just thinking about it and you know getting ready to talk to the listeners to keep it on theme and you think about the Brazilian players who have come through the league, leader of Barbosa and
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[SPEAKER_00]: both of who are warriors and then you have Tiago Splitter and Nene, Anderson Vergeau, so basketball makes sense there and it was just interesting to see how much that country cares about basketball more than you, I think you would anticipate if you've never gone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you try leaning into it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, did you wear like a Barbosa jersey?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Or a G-Santa jersey?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Or, and I happened to know that you own a Brazilian soccer jersey?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you wear it at any point?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did, but only because that was the only way I was allowed to stay in my uncle-in-laws.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If that's how I work, my uncle-in-laws house was if I adopted this team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's one of the stories I'll go over quickly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, and it was also interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For the most part, the talent level wasn't very good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When they were playing, they were playing with a lot of passion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But...
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[SPEAKER_00]: The skill set wasn't there, and I was thinking in my head, I was like, I wonder if this is how we look when we play soccer to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and they just come and visit and see us playing pick-up soccer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, if I would have brought my shoes, I would have laced them up and they would have been like, oh, my goodness, somebody from the Warriors is playing on this court right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One, it was, it's winter time there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're in the Southern Hemisphere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the seasons are flipped.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was winter, not in the morning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was 71 degrees.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And apparently that is very cold to them because there were multiple people in puff coats.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it blew my mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was so hot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in shorts and a t-shirt already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were cold, legitimately cold, wearing puff coats.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh man, so,
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you go in the winter time, bring a puff coat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't want to stand out and look like a foreigner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Second was we were on the beach a lot obviously and there's this one phenomenon that was interesting like the safety and how dangerous it is in parts of Brazil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably talked about but understood differently when you get there and they say things like, oh, don't be on your phone, you know, on the street like step into a store or restaurant and use your phone that way and I was like, okay, and then we're on the beach and like, oh, and also.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is this thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to butcher the words, hastal or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But essentially, there's a favela that's really close to the beaches like Ipanema and the Blon and Copacabana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And people from the favela will come down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: line up on the beach and not just like five or ten we're talking like a hundred people and they'll line up in a straight vertical or horizontal line across the beach front like right on the where the water is and then they will run from the beach
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[SPEAKER_00]: to the street and run through where everybody's got their, you know, like towels and laid out and everything and they just go through there and snatch bags and phones and shoes and anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They can get their hands on and then they make a left and go right up to the Favella and hope they don't get caught.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, that doesn't happen to my wife showed me some videos and I was like, oh, it does happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the craziest phenomenon that I was like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, just kind of blew my mind and then, you know, like you start thinking about, I was like, well, I guess that kind of does happen here too and in Oakland or other places, you know, like it's not the beach, but it's a 711 or a target or our Walgreens were kids will just kind of bombard something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So unfortunately, I mean, I'm an intern of it, I'm a fair to say, but what we don't have is a name for that wall of stealing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the idea that like they've literally come up with a term that we've done this so many times, like all right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, we got to get the other 99 people together so that we can go storm the beach and we've done it so many fucking time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's it called that they've come up with the name?
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[SPEAKER_03]: That is, um, that's impressive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's, uh, that's a lot to accomplish in a crime setting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nice to play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe we need to name it here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think here it's called property devaluation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I say that as a property owner in Oakland, so I know what the fuck I'm talking about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's the third story?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Quickly, so one of the bigger soccer clubs out there in the area we were staying is called Flomengo, and they started out as a rowing team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you go to it, you're like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Flamingo, the soccer team now, but their system is, they're not only flamingo, the soccer team, they're also flamingo, the basketball team and the volleyball team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like when you're a club and you're a flamingo supporter, you support that organization in that logo and it travels across multiple sports and
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's akin to how Luca Donchitz before he joined the NBA, he played for Real Madrid in Spain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Real Madrid is one of the top soccer teams in that world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They battle Barcelona every year for the title.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he played for their basketball team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was interesting how the fandom there crosses over and you're a flamingo supporter, you're really a flamingo supporter, you're not flamingo basketball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the crest in the shield takes a different meaning and just wondering if who will be the first American owner to try to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be a little tricky because
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, team names are established across different of our core four sports leagues, but somebody will will bring that model out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Joe Lake up is trying to do it a little bit with, you know, the Valkyries and some of his other goal and state entertainment properties, but it's not to that degree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a real
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[SPEAKER_00]: Business opportunity to expand the value of a brand beyond it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you just had the New York Nix, you know, like WMBA team and the New York Nix football team, you know, like the giants were called the nix, you know, our vice versa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the amount of value it would create to take that model.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think is something that US sports owners are probably looking at.
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[SPEAKER_03]: a story that we're not going to jump down into today is the sale of the Los Angeles Lakers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm right now blanking me as I hadn't prepped and should have, think Mike Walter or Mark Walters, but I can't remember the name of the previous owner.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But before he got out and he had an ownership interest in the Dodgers 2, I remember reading a bunch of articles,
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[SPEAKER_03]: That there was like kind of a synthesis between the two organizations that they were literally starting to eliminate redundancies, even though they're in different sports and it kind of sounds like that same idea.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, fair enough, we didn't hear when you were wearing the Brazilian jersey had you pull that off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I had to wear it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I got a flamingo jersey and then, um, was allowed to stay in my uncle and law's house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we went to go visit one of my wife's childhood friends in their, uh, Kardashians fans and, um, was not allowed to wear that jersey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the husband who doesn't speak any English of my wife's best friend growing up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hands me a currenty and certainly and says, put this on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like his new jersey for the season and he gifts it to me So then after where that and after where that back to my uncle in law's house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was a lot, but At the end of the day, I traveled home and I have
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[SPEAKER_00]: for new jerseys and depending on who's on that FaceTime video is the one that I have to weigh out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if fucking that story's justified, unfortunately.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have a story that I'm incredibly embarrassed by of basically cultural appropriation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was hoping that you would have something similar, but it turns out, no, super long ago, my wife studied in Mexico.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And when she came back, we weren't married yet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When she came back, she brought me a Mexican soccer jersey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I just had it in the closet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember one of the fuck am I going to wear a Mexican soccer jersey?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then we fast forward and she's now back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, we're married.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is years later.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's teaching fourth grade and she teaches Dila Delos, Dila Delos, more of those to her fourth graders.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And she's in Oakland.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so down in the fruit veil, they have a big Dila Delos, more of those celebration.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And on the weekend, we go down there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And what do I decide to fucking wear?
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[SPEAKER_03]: My Mexican soccer jersey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And before we go, Erica goes, do not wear that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You look like an
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, you're fucking white dude, you're a Jewish white.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what the fucking, I was like, no, this is gonna be perfect.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna fit, and I went down there, and it was not only clear that I look like an asshole, it was so clear I had to take it off, and I walked around and this, like, super tight, dirty undershirt.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that was much more appropriate than that fucking Mexican soccer jersey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, unfortunately, it sounds like you, like, you were welcomed into the culture.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I tried to, like, kick down the door.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, here I am, and was not welcomed for good reason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just walked around saying bone G everywhere and then they were like, is he presented?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, they were like, they were about to get ready from the beach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, be careful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The next Dia de los Muertos is Walker on St. Boyne's deus and see if that helps you wear your jersey again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll be wearing all four of your jerseys and seeing one of them help me through it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk warriors.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So here's our first the first topic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to call Gapier or Go for it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And here's the idea.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Montaepool wrote an article maybe two, three weeks ago that has been quoted a million times.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And what he's getting credit for is that the warriors are considering this a quote unquote gap here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That they understood that they weren't going to be able to get anybody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That the second that Jimmy got hurt last year, the decision was, keep your powder dry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Keep money in the pocket.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wait until all the other money comes off the books and then you make a move.
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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... here's how he phrased it by the way actually looked it out quote the whereas anticipated evaluating the first half of the season while awaiting the mid-season returns of butler and moody meanwhile done leaving coast to have some latitude with the roster but it's hard to fathom striking golden august or september dub nation has been warned the twenty six twenty seven was lining up as a gap year okay uh... and then it continues but that's the basic idea
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[SPEAKER_03]: The other side to this has been fucking fury.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not gap year, go for it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's bullshit, steps old.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to lose, who knows how many more impactful seasons we'd have.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can't sit back and keep your powder dry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got to fire it now, and that side wants them to go out and make moves instantaneously, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm interested in which side of this ball we fall on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If it was up to you, Mike, do you give you a call?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What should I be doing?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd have you think about it, some names, you know, just in case, the go for it, what that would mean to me is you take all these first rounders, at least two, maybe three, put them on the table, some names they might be able to get, AD, we've heard that a lot, a Michael Porter Jr., Tyler, or hero, Zackel Levine is available, those kind of guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: gap here, keep the powder dry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's the free agent class for next year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's some restricted free agents, Brandon Miller, both Thompson twins.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the rest of these guys are all unrestricted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Kawaii, I mean, if the deal goes forward in Toronto, there's a good chance they sign them, but for right now, he'll be unrestricted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: RJ Beller or Barrett, CJ McCollum, Miles Bridges,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think gap year, but only because going for it, you don't bring in anybody who changes the outcome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish they would have gone for it before Janice or LeBron or any other bigger names had made decisions, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so frustrating and discouraging and disappointing to say gap year because it's not a gap year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a gap strategy and unfortunately it feels like until Mike Dunlevy either has the heat turned up on his seat or is replaced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That that continues to be his strategies like no I'm only going to do it if it makes sense and it's like
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[SPEAKER_00]: When is it going to make sense?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, like, I don't, when he's, he retires.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you're like, oh, this is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know he's trying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's only the players available for what's available.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're not privy to the details of anything beyond what's speculated in the media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just frustrating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I say gap year, but only because all the names you mentioned restricted and unrestricted this year and next, they don't put us over the top.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to the point to where we, in my opinion, will compete with an LKC or San Antonio spurs for the next two to three years, however long a step is around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if it's not a game changer where you immediately have that conversation, if you're not bringing in AD and LeBron, just to go after it, then I think you just have to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: have a gap year, hope Steph is okay being a middle-ing team with, you know, like, probably a six seed at best for his last few years and see what you can get with new players.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm going to change the question and then I'm going to get my own answer to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But do you now that, you know, however many more years we have with Steph,
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[SPEAKER_03]: do you want them to just try to be as great as they can possibly be with stuff, even if that means they're not a contending team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Even we know for sure they're not going to be one or two, but let's just give them a shot, get out there, you know, or if we can't, they cannot contend.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If we know that for sure, San Antonio is better, the okay C's better, if we cannot contend, should they then be contend?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, no, we're not, you know, we're not going to try to be as good as possible, we're not going to try the draft picks, because we can't contend, let's just finish
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[SPEAKER_00]: think the former.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not confident that one staffer tires that will be able to lure and that free agents to make a serious runner put together a team that can seriously challenge the teams that are set up for a success for the next five, six, seven years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think at this point, the question back to Mike Denlevy, Joe Lake up in the management is like, what are we waiting for?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what's the downside of not keeping our powder dry?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, that we don't have those first round picks and we're not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a middleing team with a bad draft, you know, like, where if we don't pick amazing talent and get lucky with those draft picks, then we're definitely a middleing team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if we hit the lot, I was like, I don't even if we get a great few players, it's like, is that really enough if Stefan Dreyman and Steve Kerr are all out of the picture?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What's the phrase to assume makes an asset of you and me?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Always thought that was going to stupid.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But if we assume that we're going to have a player of Steph's caliber again, that's making an asset of you and me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Even if we assume we're going to have a caliber of Steph now, these next three years, I'm not even like 2016 staff, or like the legendary shit that we won't get, the assumption that we're going to have somebody else who's good enough to lead a championship team,
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[SPEAKER_03]: is a very dangerous assumption.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we have one now, you know, and so striking while the iron's hot is an important thing, which I agree with you, go for it or gap year for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The thing that doesn't work is Steph's age.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, as time for a fucking gap year, Cooper Fling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, he's fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got 15 years of domination.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If he's got to take a year to just develop and keep healthy, no problem.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But with stuff, I did a podcast this week on Let's Go Warriors, a different show in Rich, and I really like him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That is sports, orthopedic specialist on another guy who I had a lot of respect for.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And what he started to describe is like, what runners need means.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And basically, it's a grab bag.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a we're not really sure diagnosis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's things that are fucking going around, but we're not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We can't, we can't pinpoint exactly what it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll call it runners knee.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You start dealing with lower body grab bag diagnosis with a player who's principal or who's one of their major skill sets is being over to run around more than anybody else.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's not the same person I think to myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what they have time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Holy shit, give them fucking time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if we spend this gap year of him playing 38 minutes a night running around more than any other plucking player, am I happy about that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, fucking oh, I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, gap year hard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Go for it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if there's a go for it position right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, maybe 80.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So what I would suggest is that kind of in between is a bastardization is we sit back, you know, there's two lists of players that can be added to a team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The first are the free agency guys didn't get those.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I get it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't get them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Second list is yet to be written.
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[SPEAKER_03]: People who became unhappy during the season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like whatever it is, whatever fucking team goes down, it doesn't work the right way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's going to be some.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to get, you know, they'll be three or four by the time the trade trend line runs around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's what I hope they're doing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it is what they're doing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they wait until next season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they wait to see what can we do this year because we strike out on the free agency side.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's what they're going to do and hope that they do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hope so too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the way the CBA is structured in the second apron, it already was extremely difficult to have sustained excellence for a long time, like Spurs broke the mold when they went to the playoffs 20 years in a row, but they also had a consistency of those three dominant stars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We traded away our third, or he left, unfortunately with clay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they still built teams around them, but even when those three retired, they had their downiers and where they didn't even make the playoffs for a little while until they came back with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, enough down years and high picks that they got stiff on Castle, Dylan Harper and Wemby and saying with the Lakers like when LeBron first joined, you know, they missed the playoffs the year before and there was some down time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it seems like Lake up in the team don't want it go through that they're like, how can we be light years ahead and not have to experience that and instead of trying to
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[SPEAKER_00]: break the unwritten rule of how it works.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like embrace it, go all out, and then just, you know, like you have to suffer through those down years, but you have to realize it's part of the process to build a backup.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the new CBA.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the rules that were changed because of what lakeup and company were able to do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Fuck, listen to a spurs podcast right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what they're talking about?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think we're going to be able to keep Castle Wemby and Harper.
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[SPEAKER_03]: is a rookie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Castle is in year fucking two.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When we just signed his first extension that this is a team that they should be saying, our future is crazy, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And what they're saying is, I don't think we can keep them all in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they're, they're, they're telegraphing a complete new reality.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And what you're saying, and I think it's a really good transition, isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's expectations and how disappointed our fan base is right now based on previous expectations.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We are disappointed because they're not doing what they used to do in a news flash.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's never happening again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think any team is going to win four titles in a six-year stretch again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that they've stopped that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think any team is going to have the embarrassment of riches that the Warriors did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They can't, they can't afford it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so it's not that they can't afford it, is that they're not allowed to put together that kind of payroll anymore.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so, it's disappointing, but we also got a factor in, it's disappointing, and they couldn't do what they used to be able to do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But expectations is actually the next topic, so I'm calling this one, three good things, here's the idea.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Expectations are at the heart of happiness, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, depending on what your expectation is, the exact same experience can be fantastic or be fucking awful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If I expect a team is terrible and all they're going to do to develop and they're not going to get to the playoffs and they shock me and they go to the second round celebration.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If that exact same team has finals expectations and they lose in the second round, angsty bullshit terrible off season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there's our backdrop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What I want you to do and what both of us will do is give us three things that you're either excited to watch this year or hope to watch this year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That might be realistic, you know, setting the expectations in a good place will ping-pong once you go first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First one, it will be the fact that this is a gap year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think as frustrating as that is, it sets it up perfectly for us to overachieve in anything that we do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if the G-Santaos has a great 50-point game, then like, oh, he didn't have a gap year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just like the Celtics last year, they were supposed to have a gap year and they got the two seed and everybody was like, oh, amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that was set out as the narrative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's frustrating as it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's still relying to it is that there's nowhere to go up from that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember being all excited about Eric Peschel stats that that one year when we were terrible and friend of the podcast by the way,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I asked him a couple of questions at a practice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It'd be just be happy with the random spots of success and development and entertainment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll take that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll give you a similar one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited to watch the development of Yaxle Interboard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope to see that he gets his many minutes as he can possibly handle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope to see that he's as versatile as he showed in the summerly fuck empty.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm hope to see that he doesn't become a immediate bulletin board material for every team that he fucking plays because this kid is pretty confident on the media side.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If that confident enough, I don't know if I was going to play it, but I'll play it for you now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's a quote.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yaxel-Lenberg, I have not shown in the proper respect, I should be referring to him as MVP, Yaxel-Lenberg.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One, the MVP of the summer league and the way that they beat are the way that they won.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That is, they beat the Grizzlies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You may know that number three overall pick, and a kid that was talked about all fucking year, Cam Booser was on that team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and they lost and they asked Yaxel Leonard Borg about the win.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's what he said, I don't mind telling you because you won't be able to see the video unless you're watching YouTube that he's wearing a summer league championship ring.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll give you this, uh, we'll give you this quote, which is an interesting side fact.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me show you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because we're down to 10, I think we're on it for a quarter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Seems like you should step up in a bit more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sir, you're bringing it home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What was the difference with that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, the bus got taken here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You put it up, you know, me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, we, some of us are bringing it somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like saying, so, when you get those options, like then you will attack the moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you go, you know, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go, you go
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you think at all about like revenge go a bit against him?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was he actually moving?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they were going to be the top of my goddamn plan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every game is fine, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I said?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so I like the confidence and the, like, yeah, I'd like to play against him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I like the sum of us are made for this life thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know if I like the the refs are out there saving him and everybody else.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it just hit me in a weird place.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got a dream on take on a two, but first you like it is a good, you know, we want our got to be confident or maybe it's he's saying a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's fucking summer league.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's saying too much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, it's summer league.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be it's summer league and see it's summer league.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't, you know, like slow down, it to me it's given off the same vibes as pause when he was like, yeah, I give me the keys because I'm gonna take over this franchise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, slow down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I like the confidence, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: you would like to see more humility mixed in with it and just, you know, appreciation for being an elite and being with an organization that, you know, like knows how to win and seeing if you can fit into it to help bring that to life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, there's shades of Duke versus Michigan baked into
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[SPEAKER_00]: J.C. and then, you know, he bounced around a little bit before he decided to stay and Michigan and then come out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, he's got the chip on his shoulder and rightfully so, but hopefully he's right now in media training from the lawyers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's all right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can tell you who's interested in giving him that media training.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Dream on Green.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we've already had a couple of public spats.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I made a comment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not afraid of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But he's, you know, Green said that he had texted him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He actually said he never got a text from Green and then Dreman called him a fucking liar.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And as the article I pulled this quote from said, not angrily, but also clearly not in a joking tone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I agree with that description, that's fair.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then more recently, during Summary League, here's a quote from Trayman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess during Summary League, we're still going after LeBron and Yaxel's asked to be fair to him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They ask him, make a pitch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not just random, but they ask him, make a pitch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He does, and then here's Trayman's quote on the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's fine, Trayney Camp is coming soon enough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've got to rain in the rickie a little bit, teach him a few things, Trayney Camp is on the way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It will get here, Yax, enjoy all your media.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't, I mean, I just feels like an interesting deal, you know, and I'm sure it's nothing, this is the kind of thing that you talk about during fucking off season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But really a lot of confidence coming out of some of those quotes, and to put it back to where I started, my concern isn't as confident, good, man, fucking believe in yourself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My concern is bulletin board shit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, I don't, I mean, I'm sure this is more playful summary, but if we somehow get to like the playoffs or something, and it's Yaxel who's dropping things like, oh, we're definitely going to beat these guys for zero or something.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just, we don't need that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd like to see him grow through the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, this is a stretch or a reach, but, you know, Dramon went to Michigan State.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so went to Michigan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like they have the healthy rivalry rivalry nonetheless.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, who else went to Michigan?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jordan pool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So is there something there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if Jordan, the Axel or friends, or like Jordan recruited the Axel or anything that's going on there, but there's something going on with Dreyman and his Michigan connection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully he can get some Spartans onto the squats.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like the idea that the Axel fighters and everybody we just saw, looks to his phone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's like 15 Miss calls from a number that he doesn't recognize and it's Jordan pole.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know it's just like do don't do it like fuck don't go to training camp.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like whatever happens Do not go to training camp empty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're speeding towards our hard stop give me the second thing you're looking forward to I'm looking forward to Clay coming back I don't know if something has changed, you know as a recording this I haven't
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[SPEAKER_00]: been on any of the sites are guiding any notifications, but there's talk that play wants to be bought out and he probably wants to go to Miami or the Lakers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to have that reunion and
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, as we have this gap year, and then hopefully, um, one more year of going after it for real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I would just love to have clay back and, and take that shot with us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, if you're listening clay, come back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, if you're listening clay and you end up going to the Lakers, we are all going to take that a giant fuck you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like, I understand it and I get out of the fucking thing and it, you know, but I just, I saw a rumor that that was one of the teams and that's how I immediately experienced it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Was alive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What do you mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and we don't have time to totally discuss this either, but I'm sure you saw that Clay's name has been in the media because it came to rent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, that Philly apparently is considered a super team, Durant does not agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the way that he explained to the world that it was not a super team is that he took shots at Clay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that night well, how could we call us a super team with the warriors, because Clay Thompson, you know, and he took shots at him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was gonna use that as an entry to do you think that Durant will still have a statue built here or will still have his number retired, but instead I'll use that as a topic for a different team and I'll give you the second thing I'm excited for or hope you for empty.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want an NBA Cup title, baby.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I am all the way in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've never even made it to the fucking knockout stage.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that we're going to be an actual title contending team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking for something fun to root for.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go to fucking ways.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, kind of an uphill climb.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's our group, San Antonio, Lakers, Portland, and Sacramento, along with us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think San Antonio probably has the advantage, but maybe they don't care that much about the NBA Cup title anymore.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, that's my hope, dude.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm all the way in those Cup games will mean a lot more.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if we get to the one game elimination, maybe I'll go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm fired up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: didn't the next beat the spurs in the cup final last year, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We did their first meeting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it was, um, and this is not a joke, take.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a serious take.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was a giant missed opportunity for the NBA that they had this chance to, like, make a big deal about, like, see, the best teams did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's exactly what the midseason did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we have our first double champion ever.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we would have, they've got bottle three, like if they did something like that, I think it would have been smart, but I think they, even they are having trouble, like saying out loud.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, the NBA Cup matters, but I have no trouble saying that empty.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The NBA Cup matters!
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, who knows, the spars will probably take it seriously and beat tough, um, lakers who knows, you know, like, if Lucas harder, Reeves is hurting and how they all coalesce around a walker, Kessler, but, um, even importantly, who fucking knows about porn, they might be better than us somehow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's an interesting season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have like 11 guards on their roster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So who knows, they could just shoot their way to the championship.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But they have no announcers or fucking coaches because their new owner is so ridiculously cheap.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This was just cutting people left and right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The idea that he was like, I won't pay my actual, like, play by play guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I will pay John Morant, didn't make that much sense to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's actually, it's like you can't stay in this hotel room as long as you use to, you just have to get out of there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And also head coach, you're only allowed to sign a two-year deal just because we probably won't like you in your business.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It really was things like that too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was things like the team wants like late checkout and the owner was like, fuck no, that's I absolutely will not allow you to have late checkout.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, damn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so that's my welcome home, Clay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got a third one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a third one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I don't know if it's an expectation or just a hope, but I think and hope that we keep Jimmy out for longer than
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[SPEAKER_00]: he can race back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if we're going to have a gap year, not say it externally, but approach it that way internally, then just do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, the warriors are already infamous for keeping health information and players off the court until they're fully fully ready.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just hope that they do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with Jimmy Butler, you know, like an ACL injury is legit, they kept Kyri out of all of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if we're going to do a gap here, just do it, you know, I don't know what the draft is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have to ask Kristen K.P.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What that would look like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we're going to do it, then get a good draft pick, let Jimmy rest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't put a ton of miles on, dream on and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so, you know, like, learn his lessons the hard way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then use that pick to either make swing for a trade for some bigger names or just run out there with a bunch of young people and the old vets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm my hope and expectation is that we live up to the gap year and Jimmy doesn't play until well after the all-star break.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't chase 40 wins.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, if we, if it's a house on fire, we start off fantastically, you know, in a way that no one anticipated, whatever, we're 12 and 3, you know, then okay, you know, and then then stuff continuing to play, maybe Jimmy comes back early like, okay, you at least acknowledge early success, but if they are the mid team that we kind of think that they might be, don't fucking chase 500 of you don't have to, don't make staff play 39 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: to get, you know, that wind of it is all of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That makes perfect sense to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't, you know, if we don't want to be mediocre, don't kill ourselves to try to be mediocre.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Be willing to just punch this to the next year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Alright, here's the third thing I'm doing, and I've already telegraphed it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking forward to scouting other team's problems.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just hoping, I'm hoping that Denver passes a rule that none of their players are allowed to own horses.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, I'm hoping fucking Devon Booker decides the only thing he hates more than the desert is Dylan Brooks, he's like, I'm fucking outta here, trade me, I don't know, I don't know what I'm hoping for, but I know that every NBA season is drama.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I am looking forward to watching that drama spread around the league, and maybe give me some hope.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that's that's the third thing I'm looking for.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've got three minutes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Give me a very fast answer to this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Joe Lakeb.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: bad or I'm not sure owner now because his name is the name that's getting dragged through the fucking mud you know that the idea that he's given up on stuff and that he would like he wants the credit not curry man that's that's what the outside detractors are saying what's your opinion on him?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's still good I think when times are good if he's a good owner then when times are bad you know like it's still on him either way
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[SPEAKER_00]: the narrative, however true it is or not, that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: he wouldn't give Bob Myers what Bob wanted is a negative, you know, signal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if he wants to have more control over the ownership or decisions, and if he's going to be in the draft room fighting with Mike Dunn leave you over how quickly to draft, yeah, so then you have to take, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: for all in count to purposes Bob Meyer said I want to go spend more time with my family and then walk to your point on an earlier pod.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first thing he did was just go sign up to, you know, work for ESPN and travel all around the country and now he's, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: working for the six years and recruited LeBron James and Jalen Brown successfully.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, hopefully, you know, Joe Lake doesn't get in the way of his own success.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if that's what's happening, that he's willing to recognize it and action on it and whether that's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: moving on from Mike Dunlevy making different decisions on who runs what they're a smart organization players all say the same thing they're one of the best organizations and you know like all players love playing for them but from a results and product on the court I think
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, some of the best founders make terrible CEOs, and I wonder if that's the same case here where Joe Lake up his great at giving the resources needed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he needs to let the experts do what they do and some of the other more niche categories of his broader team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So fucking money guy, focus on the money.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Good or bad, empty, let's define bad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, here's bad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Chris, go hand.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Chris co-hand owned the team for 16 years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, 16 years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In those 16 years, went over 500 twice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Twice went to the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Once had an article written by Woj.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Adrian Wojaskin, who was called for warriors, turmoil starts with the boss.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sports Illustrated, voted him the fourth worst owner of all time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All time of any owners in the history of the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's bad, okay, but does that bad distinction apply to Lake of no?
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's also on the team for about 16 years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He bought it in 2010.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They went to six finals.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They won four titles.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He built a fucking stadium.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so like, is he a bad owner?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, and it's preposterous.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a preposterous for as long as there are people like Cohen using the word bad for both.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's not a thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But do we have to acknowledge what you're saying?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a good owner showing bad signs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: you know that like I don't if giant if underlined highlighted big fat if if he is making basketball decisions now you know if if he did push out uh Myers and if he is influencing well bad signs
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and that, okay, pump the brakes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get people like Jerry West back in here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's make some some distinctions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not everyone's going to be great all of the time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They do need to shift their approach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the conception of that he is a bad owner or isn't light here in the Bay Area is hyperbolic dude.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's fucking ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's people just who don't have enough experience to really understand what that word means.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It could be whewy worse than this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now I agree and I think the sign of a good owner is not that they make great decisions that they have all the great ideas that set day and power and allow the team around them to make great ideas and make great decisions and hopefully wake up is that style of the ladder and you know like we have to see but there's some signals that suggests it's not this
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he was really the one pushing to keep coming up beyond, you know, what we wanted and get of got different players back, like those are just the wrong signals that, you know, I think show the right kind of leadership that's needed, especially for Steph Swan's on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there's no question, and I'd hope you would agree.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've hit the, uh, the hard stop.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll get out of here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If I had a better memory and any kind of an accent, I would say to you, goodbye, how you said hello to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I cannot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I will not.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just hope that you don't get robbed on the beach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's great having you back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just leave it at that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll get, I'm glad to be back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what's up, Devination.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll, we'll be all right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we'll be all right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: With that in mind, go worse.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully, we'll see you guys real soon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good, good, good.