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Today, my buddy Lyftar Singh, another
dinosaur.

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You see two dinosaurs on the screen here,

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but youthful dinosaurs, not Bronthosaurus
Rexes or Tyrannosaurus,

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modern dinosaurs. And we'll just see where
it goes,

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but ~ Lyftar I've known for many,

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many years. And ~ I you could I guess see
from the screen that

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~ we're

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Both dressed up in similar garb,

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Yeah.

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wearing turbans, we have gray beards,

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and we have ~ white attire. So I guess
you'd be correct in thinking that

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~ we belong to the same religion or the
same community,

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~ whatever you want to call it.

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And that's actually not untrue.

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So ~ we both go back about 50 years in
whatever it is we're doing,

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which

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you're watching this you may or might not
know anything about.

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So anyhow,

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there we go. He's he's I'm recording this
from Mexico and Liftar I believe

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is in Atlanta or the the

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Suburb.

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suburbs. He looks like a suburban guy.

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He's not a city guy. We talked about this
yesterday.

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I'm a city guy. He's not a city guy.

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So if he's if he's living in Georgia and
he's around Atlanta,

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I'm pretty sure he's not living downtown.

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He's living

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Probably in the suburbs, right?

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Yeah, and when I went there it was the
Exurbs.

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It used to be way out in the country a
place where you would like take

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a Saturday and go Roswell's the name of
the town.

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It's north of Atlanta. So you would take a
whole Saturday and go out to Roswell.

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It's by the Chattahoochee River and it's
like an old town from the Civil War days.

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They had a bunch of mills and stuff here.

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It goes back pretty far.

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Chattahoochee, that sounds something like
in the deep south.

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I'm a New York guy. There's no
Chattahoochee's in New York.

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Chattahoochee sounds like it's from
Georgia.

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Wind DM.

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So have you have you lived in Georgia your
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life? No, I was born there here.

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~

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~ and we moved to Florida when

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I was about six six or something.

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So I grew up in Orlando.

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Is that b what before the before Dis di ~
Disney World?

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Yeah, I left there right when Disney
announced they had bought the property

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and they were gonna build there.

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And that was nineteen sixty nine.

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And ~ that's when I met Yogi Budjan,

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which precipitated my my quick ~ exit from
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really? I didn't know that. I got thrown
out of the house too.

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Yeah.

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~ good. I didn't you know it's funny,

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it's like we're we're in our our seventies
and I've known you for a long time

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and I actually didn't know that we had
that in common.

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We both had the honor of being thrown out
of our own.

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Did you

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Yeah.

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that were like me, when you were thrown
out of your home,

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did you get to sleep in your car the way I
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I had a s I I had to sleep that night in
my car.

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No no, I I was only eighteen. I didn't
have a car.

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And what had happened

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is I I'd gotten into the the Kundalini
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I'd just met ~ a man named John Twambly
who had just come from meeting

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Yogi G and learned some yoga. He came to
Orlando to visit his father and ~ I

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I had graduated from high school and this
was in about August

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and at college was coming up. I had gotten
into Florida State University

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and excuse me.

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So I started doing the yoga and
meditation.

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I was totally into it from the first
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I knew this is what I'd been looking for.

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And what had happened was I had a band in
high school,

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rock and roll band, a couple of them.

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~ I went to the beach one day because this
time coming up when I had either

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had to go to college or just blow it off
or and I didn't know what to do.

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I went to the beach

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I took a quarter of a hit of acid.

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Yeah, ~ microdosing has made a comeback
and I just discovered it.

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I only did L S D maybe six, seven times
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I wouldn't like a complete whack out,

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but ~ for some reason I discovered if you
just take a teeny bit,

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it kinda does this cool thing.

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I'm not

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Advocating it.

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No. This was nineteen sixteen.

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Business,

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you're not advocating it. We're talking
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happened fifty some years ago.

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Anyway, so I go to the beach and all I did
the whole day is walk up

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and down the beach because the beach was
only an hour away.

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It was like a kind of normal thing we did.

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And I lived on a lake. So we had our own
ski boat and everything.

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But the whole day I've just walked up and
down the beach.

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What am I gonna do? What am I gonna do?

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What am I gonna do? I don't wanna be
straight normal you know

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Go to work nine to five, come home,

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drink, then go to bed. And I didn't want
to be a hippie because I already

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saw the hippies were all just drugged just
drugged out

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and not really not really going anywhere.

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So I come home, I walk in the door,

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and the phone rings, and it was the phone
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for all you youngsters. You know,

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you we didn't have cell phones.

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You had one phone in the middle of the
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But anyway, I walk in the door,

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phone rings right there. I pick it up.

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It's my drummer from my band. And he said,

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You gotta come meet this guy. And

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I said, What? What's going on?

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He said, I met this cool guy and he was
walking in front of my house

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and I just happened to be sitting in front
of the plate glass window

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and saw him walk by and he had long hair
and a beard.

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He looked really cool. I just ran out and
introduced myself.

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And he started telling me all this amazing
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So I said, Okay, I'll be right over and I
jumped in the car,

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went over there and

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He was there. John was still there with
Jason,

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my drummer. And ~

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He just started talking about you just if
when you do yoga you stay high

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all the time. You don't have to take L S D
'cause then L S D you go up

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and you come down. And I'm like,

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this is what I've been looking for.

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This is it, this is it. And I didn't
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it was a prayer. That my day walking up
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I didn't think of it as a prayer,

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but that

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What am I gonna do? What am I gonna do?

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Where's basically saying I'm ready to meet
my teacher and right when I

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got home I met him. And then later I
figured out he was the only

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guy within a hundred and seventy five
thousand square miles

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who knew that thing that I needed.

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and he had come to visit his father and he
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and my drummer just happened to be looking
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to get the idea to run out and meet him.

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And so anyway, I went to college

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just to see what it was like and I hated
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for two weeks. Then I just hung out having
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So on one day my f parents found out that
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had been taking drugs

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that I was never gonna cut my hair again,

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that I had dropped out of college and that
I was gonna be a yogi.

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And their whole world changed on that one
moment.

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So they my father said, I'm gonna put you
in a mental hospital for observation.

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And I said, Well, maybe if I act a little
weird I can get out of the Vietnam draft.

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Another reference for you youngsters.

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Well, you you could have had bone spurs.

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Well I didn't but I went I went

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in for forty days for observation.

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It wasn't like a it wasn't a loony band,

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it was just the the cyc ward of the
regular hospital where people

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go for observation. So I did forty days
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had a lot of fun actually. It was pretty
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Met some good people. And then when I came
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I was at home for two or three days and
one day my mom said,

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~ no, at the end of the forty days my dad
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the doctor, hoping something was wrong
with me that he could fix.

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And the doctor says, This is the most well
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boy I've ever met in my life. And my dad's
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~ shit.

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Yeah.

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And anyway I get home in about three days
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I'm going to the beauty parlor,

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you either have your hair cut when I get
back or you'd be out of here.

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My mom was Mom was a strong willed woman.

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I put two shir three shirts, two pairs of
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a pillowcase, threw it over my shoulder,

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and just walked out the door. No idea
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no idea what I'm gonna do. And my brother
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the thing happen and he came and picked me
up and took me over to Huddy Sing

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and Huddy Car from Orlando, you know them?

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You know them.

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On cars, mother and dad.

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I you know, I I'm not the age I forget
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If you showed me that picture I

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Yeah, you know him. So anyway,

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I was there for a day or two, then he
called Yogiji and Yogiji said,

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Send him out to LA and I've got this
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He runs an ashram and he'll fix him up.

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So I was out.

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Uhhuh. Did you did ever reconciliate with
your parents?

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No.

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Really? Did you ever see them again?

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Yeah. Yeah we tried, but they they were ~
somebody explained it

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to me years later. The sin that I did is I
changed tribes.

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It wasn't it

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No no, I totally

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wasn't like religion or anything 'cause I
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I wasn't like bugging on We were just
trying to act nice and normal

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and went to visit ~ Well,

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it's gonna be a pr it it's g they're gonna
take that personally.

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Yeah, they did. Every.

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Yeah.

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You know what? I had I had this I I had
the same thing,

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but ~ eventually ~ that but

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I had the beginnings of that. I didn't
actually see my family for a couple

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of years and and then even then it was
extremely strained.

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I'm just trying to think, but it was it it
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It must have been about 20 years.

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But ~ they actually came to my second
wedding.

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And that changed actually amazingly
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that changed everything. And you know,

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and and that was an interesting thing that
you said that I think

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is ~ very true. That you know people

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try to understand these things through
different lenses,

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but at the end of the day, and it's
understandable that it's

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taken as a betrayal to whatever tribe that
you were born into.

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I w I was born into a Jewish family after
World War Two,

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right? So that there was a very strong
tribal especially after

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w what happened

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to the Jewish people and and and how even
my grandparents escaped all that

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and and so there was this tremendous I
mean like like

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tremendous sense of betrayal but to the
point that I was thrown out.

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But Mom, I'm wearing a quadruple size
yarma.

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Yeah, I don't think that's Yeah,

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I don't think it works I don't think it
works that way.

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No, I guess not.

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~ and as you said, it it just even even
even me coming

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out of that particular tribe, there's
there's there's subdivisions of that
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So even if I came home, I I was I was born
into like what I guess you'd call

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a very secular religious

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Mm-hmm.

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But secular religious things. So I
wouldn't call anybody like super
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except maybe my father, he went to
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but but and wanted but but I think more
for the tribal loyalty than actually what

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was happening inside the synagogue.

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And ~ and so if I actually showed up back
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~ a yarmulka, you know,

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Ha ha.

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and I told my parents that

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I was intending on wearing it all the time
in public,

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that actually

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Yeah.

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would not have been welcomed, because
that's not exactly

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how that subtribe acts. It's it would
almost like I was like bleeding into
another

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subtribe of the bigger tribe, but that
still would have been on some

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way a rejection of the way that I was
raised.

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Because even even ~

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You it's interesting that you you you
brought this up about getting thrown

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out of your house because this is how
these conversations go.

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I wasn't intending that we're gonna talk
about that,

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but that's a really interesting subject
about being ~ rejected

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by your blood family for some decision
that you're not trying to offend anybody,

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you're just trying to do something you
think is good for yourself,

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and you're not harming anybody,

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but they feel very harmed. And I I get
that.

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But ~ they took it really personally and I
I I get that,

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but if when like yourself, you were you're
telling people and most

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of our audience has no ~ they don't know
about you you're talking about yogi

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g and they don't know about it.

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Okay, so we get all kinds of people
watching this.

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But let's say for purposes of this this
podcast that like you,

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probably about a little later,

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I was in my mid-20s, I was in law school.

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And ~ I found myself for my own reasons
getting interested in the same thing that

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you got interested in, right? So much so
that I was thinking about making

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major changes in my life, you having made
them,

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I think, faster than I did. But rather
than make that change right away,

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I was actually looking for ways to make
this work.

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See, I'm telling you stuff you never knew
about me.

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So so I I was trying to make this work.

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in a way that I was getting like what you
referred to what you needed,

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right? So I will I was trying to get what
I needed ~ internally,

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whatever whatever you call that.

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But I I didn't want

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to necessarily walk away from

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what was my world at that point,

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which not only was I in the tribe,

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but I was a part I was not only was in law
school,

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see I'm sharing all this shit with

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You that you know we never talked about.

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well, you know, you that I've always been
a big New York Giant fan,

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but sorry for being a New York,

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a huge New York Giant fan, and being in
law school and being brought

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up in a traditional secular Long Island
Jewish family.

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But also I was a party guy. I was a jock.

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Okay, and I was a ladies' man.

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And I I and I like that.

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I I actually was pretty good at that.

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I was good at pricking up girls.

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I was a I was a good at being like a party
guy.

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I was good at being a jock. I was good at
all these things.

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And now, like you, I found like I really
needed something a little deeper than
that.

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And I didn't wanna lose my nightlife.

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You know? I didn't wanna lose that and

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and I really I didn't want to lose my
family.

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I didn't wanna I I didn't want to lose all
that stuff.

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But ~ so what I tried to do is I started
seeking out,

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like I'm in New York, so I'm I'm going to
Brooklyn and I'm trying to seek

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out the Hasidics. You know the Hasidics
with the right?

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But they were like very mystical kind of,

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very committed, very mystical.

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~ and I had a like a kind of a strange
attraction towards what they were doing.

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It seemed like more serious than what I
was.

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The tribe, the subtribe I was raised in
didn't quite j I didn't quite understand

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how all that worked. And at least these
other people,

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they were very foreign, but it seemed like
they actually had a very clear idea what

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they were doing. So I started going to
some Hasidic stuff actually,

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with the thought maybe that's the group.

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And I don't have to walk away from this tr
religion I was born into.

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But actually that was not very well
received by my family either.

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And then I realized that wait a minute.

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It's like what you were saying,

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this is about more about their tribe
because they weren't even happy that

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I was in the other sub tribe, which was
even more committed than their sub tribe.

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You know? And then they were always
concerned because they always

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saw me walking around with like blonde
blue eyed girls.

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That also was a travesty to them.

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Because it seemed like and then there's
there's a Yiddish word for that called

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a shiksa. So it seemed like I was running
after the shiksa,

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which I was, you know, it was my way of
being rebellious,

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you know, just running after these blonde
blue eyed girls,

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right? And these cheerleaders for the
football team,

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right? So that was that was my thing.

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But I finally landed up that I I met

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a woman who ~ was Jewish.

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Right? She was Jewish. And she was like
the runner-up in the Miss America contest.

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And she spoke nine languages fluently and
was actually

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the star of s of of Sesame Street in
Japan.

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Right? I mean she she checked all these
boxes.

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And there was one thing though I didn't
and and I told my parents about this

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and they were very

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Happy that this was going to keep me in
their tribe,

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and that finally I was bringing a a Jewish
girl back home,

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right? Well, and they got all excited,

334
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and she's coming over to to visit,

335
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but I didn't really maybe maybe I was just
being mean spirited,

336
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or maybe I don't want to deal with it,

337
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but I didn't tell them one thing about
her.

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So she shows up at the door, right?

339
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She's wearing the Star David. She just got
back from the synagogue.

340
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Okay. And she's dropped that gorgeous,

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but I didn't share one thing with her.

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She was black.

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Okay.

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You complained about the shit shows,

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what

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Right, she was exact. So the thing was
again,

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okay, they wanted me to be tribal,

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but not like religious,

349
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but not too religious. They wanted me to
marry somebody in the tribe,

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but not somebody like that who's in the
tribe.

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And so it's really kind of ~ I'm
understanding here that I'm gonna just
need

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to do what I need to do. And

353
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And it resulted in the same thing that you
did,

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is that I I got kicked out of and what if
you know what?

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And that was twenty-four twenty-four
hours.

356
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I don't know if I told you the story,

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and then I'll let you jump in again
because now I'm stealing my own show here,

358
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but but why not? Right? It's my show.

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~ but ~ but this is a good story though.

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~ I had taken vows to be a Sikh.

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And by the way, those of you in the
audience who don't know the reason,

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you know, we're Sikhs, and this is what
Sikhs look like.

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So we have we part of our commitment is
our outer appearance.

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So and and when you take these vows,

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it involves not cutting your hair and a
turban.

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So that's part of the program.

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So I came back from a solstice event in
Florida,

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actually, wearing a turban, walked into
the house,

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immediately got thrown out of the house,

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got thrown, I mean, within 10 seconds,

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out of the house, out of the family,

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and

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My mother, as I'm going out of the house,

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is saying that she's gonna call the
police.

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Very dramatic. She's gonna call the police
because there's a stranger in her house,

376
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right? And and that she never and that she
never actually had a son.

377
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Very, very dramatic. ~ okay, well,

378
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you know, I get in the car and everything
is on the front lawn,

379
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because I lived in the suburbs too in New
York.

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So I throw the I have everything in the
back seat of the car.

381
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And you know, well, at least I have a job
because I was working in a law firm.

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So I wore going to work wearing a turban.

383
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Okay. Well, so much for the job.

384
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Okay. So I'm out of the job. Well,

385
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you know what? at least I have a
girlfriend.

386
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~ not so fast. No, okay.

387
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I show up there, that's the end of the
girlfriend.

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And well, at least, you know, I've like
really good friends from law school,

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most of whom are in the tribe as well.

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So ~ so much for the friends.

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So

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That night, within 24 hours of me doing
something that was not meant

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to harm anyone else, that was just
something that I felt I needed to do for
myself,

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honestly. I ~ I had no home,

395
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no family, no job, no money,

396
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no girlfriend, and no friends.

397
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And I remember parking my car in the
middle of nowhere,

398
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because I didn't have any money,

399
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and cr and basically

400
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Sleeping in the back of the car and crying
myself to sleep and waking

401
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up in the morning that all my clothes were
wet from my own tears.

402
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And I said to myself, I'm starting from
point zero here

403
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and I am not going back. So it's I'm all
in.

404
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And that's how that was the first 24 hours
of my life as a Sikh,

405
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actually. And I think, you know.

406
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I'm very fortunate because ~ you know
sometimes

407
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you have to be there to really want it
that much.

408
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You know, it if something's given to you
easily,

409
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it's easy to put away. But I I I I went
through hell fighting my

410
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s clawing myself up inch by inch and and
so now I I appreciate it.

411
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And I'm sure, you know, ~ you you have

412
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probably some interesting personal thing
to share along that and

413
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you know climbing the way of.

414
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I I always feel like I cheated because I I
was

415
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in the first minute, never had a doubt,

416
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never had a second thought, and whatever
happened after that

417
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was just part of the program. Like in all
these years,

418
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I've never because I was ahead of an
ashram.

419
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And ~ that is

420
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When you tell the audience what I mean
there'll be people listening don't need

421
00:27:06,332 --> 00:27:07,332
to know it.

422
00:27:06,731 --> 00:27:12,493
Yeah. So an ashram, I think it means the
house of the teacher.

423
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And we used to do this a lot back in the
seventies and eighties.

424
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Is people would move in ~ group homes

425
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or get houses around the same cul de sac
or right near each other.

426
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And we would practice our practice,

427
00:27:31,859 --> 00:27:32,859
which includes

428
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Two and a half hours of yoga meditation in
the morning before sunrise.

429
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So from four to six thirty. And when
you're living together,

430
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you can do this stuff in groups,

431
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,303
and it makes it a lot easier to keep up
the energy and everything.

432
00:27:48,303 --> 00:27:54,025
But when the when it's a live in ashram
where people actually move in,

433
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the first thing that happened to me,

434
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'cause I was nineteen, when we first got
an ashram,

435
00:28:01,317 --> 00:28:02,317
when I

436
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I got sent to Atlanta in June of nineteen
seventy by Yogi Bhajan.

437
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He said go there and start an ashram.

438
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And I got a whole story of

439
00:28:18,349 --> 00:28:22,563
There's a movie, I think it's one of the I
can't remember,

440
00:28:22,563 --> 00:28:28,570
where somebody has to walk out onto what
looks like over a cliff and there's like

441
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a volcano. But there's actually a walkway
there but you can't see

442
00:28:32,934 --> 00:28:34,776
it 'cause it blends in with the
background.

443
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And every time he takes a step,

444
00:28:37,059 --> 00:28:40,973
it's there, even though it doesn't look
like it's there.

445
00:28:43,051 --> 00:28:47,516
And I was just I would just be taken from
one situation to the next

446
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and always taken care of. Nineteen years
old,

447
00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:57,807
no money. We ended up with a a little
house and about six people moved in.

448
00:29:00,458 --> 00:29:01,458
And

449
00:29:03,213 --> 00:29:06,806
They were all doing these weird numbers on
me like you know,

450
00:29:06,806 --> 00:29:10,169
like, ew, why are you? And I'd be like,

451
00:29:10,169 --> 00:29:13,882
They're all older than me. I mean,

452
00:29:13,882 --> 00:29:17,605
there were people there like twenty eight
years old and I'm nineteen

453
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and they're doing these numbers.

454
00:29:18,916 --> 00:29:22,150
So I wrote Yugi Budgeon a letter.

455
00:29:22,150 --> 00:29:24,620
I said, Why are they all getting all
bugged at me for?

456
00:29:24,620 --> 00:29:29,144
And he said, It's father phobias and
mother phobias.

457
00:29:29,144 --> 00:29:32,204
And no matter how old you are,

458
00:29:32,204 --> 00:29:33,204
you're the

459
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You're the symbol of authority.

460
00:29:35,349 --> 00:29:39,873
You then take the place of the father or
the mother or both or whatever.

461
00:29:39,873 --> 00:29:43,065
So it was

462
00:29:43,065 --> 00:29:48,800
a lot of acid rain I call it.

463
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,924
just and then you just kinda get used to
it,

464
00:29:53,924 --> 00:30:00,890
like okay, that's the deal. just like

465
00:30:00,890 --> 00:30:02,071
if it's raining you just

466
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Use an umbrella and you go about your day.

467
00:30:04,492 --> 00:30:10,805
So I didn't even through all that for

468
00:30:10,805 --> 00:30:13,846
we did that for twenty five years,

469
00:30:13,846 --> 00:30:19,259
I think, before last people moved out and
we didn't have anybody living with us.

470
00:30:19,259 --> 00:30:25,282
~ we got married, arranged marriage

471
00:30:26,663 --> 00:30:27,663
because

472
00:30:27,191 --> 00:30:28,191
How how old are you?

473
00:30:30,740 --> 00:30:34,804
I just turned twenty. 'Cause I'm my
birthday's June first,

474
00:30:34,804 --> 00:30:38,948
so I turned twenty right before summer
solstice.

475
00:30:38,948 --> 00:30:45,154
And what had happened the first year I was
in Atlanta is it

476
00:30:45,154 --> 00:30:50,139
was still the end of the hippie era and
the women were after me so bad.

477
00:30:52,333 --> 00:30:53,333
And

478
00:30:54,793 --> 00:30:57,434
I just kept saying, I'm not here for that.

479
00:30:57,434 --> 00:30:59,676
I d I'm not interested in that this time.

480
00:30:59,676 --> 00:31:03,348
I know why I'm here. I know what this
incarnation is for.

481
00:31:03,348 --> 00:31:07,871
It's not for that. So when I got to New
Mexico when we were had

482
00:31:07,871 --> 00:31:09,672
our summer solstice celebration,

483
00:31:09,672 --> 00:31:14,094
which is ten days where we all get
together out west

484
00:31:14,094 --> 00:31:20,658
and and do yoga and meditation and have

485
00:31:20,658 --> 00:31:21,658
a lot of

486
00:31:22,197 --> 00:31:24,419
spiritual experiences and other you know,

487
00:31:24,419 --> 00:31:28,131
fun too. Playing music and dancing and
doing all that stuff.

488
00:31:28,131 --> 00:31:31,244
But anyway I went out there and I said,

489
00:31:31,244 --> 00:31:32,575
Sir, you gotta find me a wife.

490
00:31:32,575 --> 00:31:35,657
I c I can't fight off these women.

491
00:31:35,657 --> 00:31:40,351
'Cause I was the cool guy,

492
00:31:40,351 --> 00:31:42,022
you know, the yoga teacher or whatever.

493
00:31:42,022 --> 00:31:43,533
Anyway.

494
00:31:45,837 --> 00:31:49,012
He found my wife, I'd never met her.

495
00:31:49,012 --> 00:31:55,522
We met one day, went and got our papers
the next day and got married the third
day.

496
00:31:55,522 --> 00:32:00,189
And then we came back to the ashram in the
middle of this.

497
00:32:03,741 --> 00:32:10,063
scene and we had to work out our stuff
having never even

498
00:32:10,063 --> 00:32:13,216
met and have all that going on.

499
00:32:13,216 --> 00:32:17,459
And even through all that, which now
looking back,

500
00:32:17,459 --> 00:32:19,360
I'm like, holy crap, how did we do that?

501
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,823
~ I just everything that came,

502
00:32:23,823 --> 00:32:26,444
I was just like, yeah, okay, this is
what's supposed to happen.

503
00:32:26,444 --> 00:32:29,671
That's what's whatever it is, whatever I
don't know,

504
00:32:29,671 --> 00:32:31,327
I don't care. I never like got

505
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:33,977
this is too hard, I can't do this.

506
00:32:33,977 --> 00:32:36,609
And it's not like

507
00:32:38,859 --> 00:32:40,594
That's why I say I feel like I cheated.

508
00:32:40,594 --> 00:32:44,895
I just I'm like that. I didn't have to try
really,

509
00:32:44,895 --> 00:32:46,279
really hard and hang on

510
00:32:48,439 --> 00:32:49,439
And that

511
00:32:48,855 --> 00:32:51,697
Well how did you how did over the years,

512
00:32:51,697 --> 00:32:55,530
you know, how if if that came easy to you,

513
00:32:55,530 --> 00:32:58,422
how how did you deal with I mean,

514
00:32:58,422 --> 00:33:01,144
I I've been around this so I know that it
exists.

515
00:33:01,144 --> 00:33:06,127
So, you know, it sounds like all these
things came pretty easily to you,

516
00:33:06,127 --> 00:33:11,231
but obviously you were you know,

517
00:33:11,231 --> 00:33:17,005
I've seen this for myself, you found
yourself surrounded by so many people who
~

518
00:33:17,697 --> 00:33:24,431
had so much difficulty ~ dealing with all
that comes with living this

519
00:33:24,431 --> 00:33:29,591
kind of way. So how did you find yourself
~ able to

520
00:33:29,591 --> 00:33:35,258
~ deal with ~ so many people around you
who it it didn't come as easily

521
00:33:35,258 --> 00:33:36,258
as it came to you?

522
00:33:40,973 --> 00:33:47,499
I ~ I've always been kind of do you know
what that

523
00:33:47,739 --> 00:33:52,083
did you ever have your face ~ red where
you have the four quadrants?

524
00:33:52,739 --> 00:33:53,739
No.

525
00:33:54,659 --> 00:33:57,926
So they do this face reading thing and
they do

526
00:33:58,380 --> 00:34:00,888
I heard that was year I somebody did it
years ago.

527
00:34:00,888 --> 00:34:04,240
Yeah. I have some some distant memory of
that,

528
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,240
but I know you're talking.

529
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:09,431
Yeah, and so they do I forgot what they
represent,

530
00:34:09,431 --> 00:34:14,944
but you know, you know, emotion and then
spirituality,

531
00:34:14,944 --> 00:34:16,745
whatever they are, I can't even remember.

532
00:34:16,745 --> 00:34:20,118
But the guy he did mine

533
00:34:20,118 --> 00:34:24,490
and Yogi G told him to.

534
00:34:24,490 --> 00:34:30,574
He said, Do live tar and Yogi Bhajan is
Yogiji that we keep referring to.

535
00:34:30,574 --> 00:34:32,135
And

536
00:34:33,101 --> 00:34:39,171
He said I'm the only guy he's ever seen
ever that has all four quadrants

537
00:34:39,212 --> 00:34:40,275
or bootstrapped.

538
00:34:42,527 --> 00:34:49,462
meaning I don't really need stuff ~ I
don't need anything from

539
00:34:49,462 --> 00:34:53,575
around me. I'm just I know what I am
completely,

540
00:34:53,575 --> 00:34:58,979
totally and you know, really that's comes
from past incarnations.

541
00:34:58,979 --> 00:35:04,283
That you don't just like wake up one day
and you're like that.

542
00:35:04,283 --> 00:35:05,283
It's

543
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,131
And the thing about reincarnation people
don't understand.

544
00:35:10,131 --> 00:35:14,372
If you know anybody who's like a good
friend or a relative,

545
00:35:14,372 --> 00:35:16,303
you've been together many, many,

546
00:35:16,303 --> 00:35:22,465
many incarnations. You don't have like a
really good friend or somebody

547
00:35:22,465 --> 00:35:29,307
you really involve with that you're just
like souls

548
00:35:29,307 --> 00:35:33,918
wandering around and getting reincarnated
and you bumped into somebody

549
00:35:33,918 --> 00:35:36,759
you really like. That's not how it works.

550
00:35:37,813 --> 00:35:40,870
So you have this kind of

551
00:35:44,215 --> 00:35:48,818
thing where everybody that's in my orbit
is there because

552
00:35:48,818 --> 00:35:53,151
we have unfinished business. And once I
know that I'm like,

553
00:35:53,151 --> 00:35:56,824
okay, whatever. Now we go through the
unfinished business.

554
00:35:56,824 --> 00:36:03,749
Cool. So just and I just never never
bothered

555
00:36:03,749 --> 00:36:08,122
me, never cared. You know, I'll get upset
if somebody's a real jerk or something,

556
00:36:08,122 --> 00:36:11,574
but in my whole, you know,

557
00:36:11,574 --> 00:36:12,574
macro

558
00:36:13,789 --> 00:36:18,451
I never thought about leaving or freaking
out or going away

559
00:36:18,451 --> 00:36:21,438
or changing or it's just me.

560
00:36:23,906 --> 00:36:29,517
So y you know, y you feel comfortable in
your skin and you know,

561
00:36:29,517 --> 00:36:31,401
you you describe yourself a certain way.

562
00:36:31,401 --> 00:36:34,903
Do you find the times that you know people
~

563
00:36:37,259 --> 00:36:39,683
don't really understand where you're
coming from because of that,

564
00:36:39,683 --> 00:36:41,847
because that they're not that way
themselves.

565
00:36:42,345 --> 00:36:46,076
a lot and I really have to work on that.

566
00:36:46,076 --> 00:36:48,937
I'll tell when I was in high school,

567
00:36:48,937 --> 00:36:53,258
I believe it might have been eleventh
grade or twelfth grade,

568
00:36:53,258 --> 00:36:57,259
one day at the beginning of the year,

569
00:36:57,259 --> 00:37:03,671
I was thinking if all I have to do is say
hello

570
00:37:03,671 --> 00:37:09,232
to people once at the beginning of the
year and then I will have acknowledged
them

571
00:37:09,232 --> 00:37:11,323
and and I will have said hello.

572
00:37:13,279 --> 00:37:18,882
And I actually thought if you say hello
every day,

573
00:37:18,882 --> 00:37:22,654
you're like insulting them because they're
too stupid to know that

574
00:37:22,654 --> 00:37:27,167
you already see them and recognize them
and said hello.

575
00:37:27,167 --> 00:37:30,359
So I did that and I d stopped saying hi to
anybody.

576
00:37:30,359 --> 00:37:36,192
I just walked up. And then somebody
somebody came up and said,

577
00:37:36,192 --> 00:37:40,034
You know, I'm heard you're really stuck up
and snooty

578
00:37:42,305 --> 00:37:48,959
And I'm like, people have to be reinforced
that you know they exist.

579
00:37:48,959 --> 00:37:51,501
That's that bootstrap thing. Like,

580
00:37:51,501 --> 00:37:54,615
I don't need anybody to say hi to me or,

581
00:37:54,615 --> 00:37:58,306
you know, if we hadn't seen each other in
five years,

582
00:37:58,306 --> 00:38:01,388
I'll just pick up and we're good.

583
00:38:01,388 --> 00:38:03,149
You know, we're right back. There's no,

584
00:38:03,149 --> 00:38:05,951
~ you didn't call me for five years.

585
00:38:05,951 --> 00:38:11,935
So I was like that and had no idea that
literally no one else is like that.

586
00:38:12,129 --> 00:38:13,129
Yeah.

587
00:38:12,493 --> 00:38:14,204
Very few people are actually like that.

588
00:38:14,204 --> 00:38:17,845
Yeah. So people see you through their own
lenses,

589
00:38:17,845 --> 00:38:20,296
but it's not I ha you know, I have the
same thing.

590
00:38:20,296 --> 00:38:23,488
It's like ~ I'm by nature,

591
00:38:23,488 --> 00:38:28,170
I'm a really self-disciplined,

592
00:38:28,170 --> 00:38:30,851
incredibly committed person. I mean,

593
00:38:30,851 --> 00:38:33,392
people people actually until they get to
know me,

594
00:38:33,392 --> 00:38:36,973
don't know actually how committed I
actually am.

595
00:38:36,973 --> 00:38:39,454
I'm like a really, really committed
person.

596
00:38:39,454 --> 00:38:40,575
And

597
00:38:42,155 --> 00:38:45,036
in my interactions with people ~ close to
me,

598
00:38:45,036 --> 00:38:50,477
whether whether it I'm teach as ~ role as
a teacher or just somebody knows

599
00:38:50,477 --> 00:38:57,049
me ~ you know casually, is that their
first impression of me is that like

600
00:38:57,049 --> 00:39:00,340
I'm an unreasonable hard ass. You know,

601
00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:02,981
and that you know, and that I'm an
asshole.

602
00:39:02,981 --> 00:39:06,818
And and that I have no compassion,

603
00:39:06,818 --> 00:39:10,913
I have no empathy. Okay, that that's their
that's they're like

604
00:39:11,971 --> 00:39:16,623
you know, the lens they're looking at me
through compared to whatever they're
seeing

605
00:39:16,623 --> 00:39:22,246
in themselves or others, that I'm like way
out over there and I'm not I am who I am.

606
00:39:22,246 --> 00:39:24,477
I'm very committed. I'm not gonna budge.

607
00:39:24,477 --> 00:39:31,160
Okay. But then they get to know me and
they're like very confused

608
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:36,802
because it seems that I'm like the most
open-minded person they've ever met.

609
00:39:36,802 --> 00:39:38,803
And I'm actually

610
00:39:39,501 --> 00:39:43,542
quite compassionate and I'm a teddy bear
and I cry at movies,

611
00:39:43,542 --> 00:39:48,353
you know. And so they they don't they
actually have to get to know me,

612
00:39:48,353 --> 00:39:51,855
but I'm the same way. I'm just not who I
am,

613
00:39:51,855 --> 00:39:57,276
you know? And so I I imagine that ~ I I
can see how

614
00:39:57,916 --> 00:40:02,678
and I start laughing. ~ I I see how
sometimes people perceive me,

615
00:40:02,678 --> 00:40:06,279
but I for that reason I would imagine
that,

616
00:40:06,279 --> 00:40:07,579
you know, people

617
00:40:08,011 --> 00:40:10,012
choose to see you a certain way,

618
00:40:10,012 --> 00:40:14,115
but that's it's more than that.

619
00:40:14,115 --> 00:40:16,277
And it's through their own lens.

620
00:40:16,277 --> 00:40:19,189
But I I have the same I have the same
thing.

621
00:40:19,189 --> 00:40:25,773
I I often people have this and then they
get to know me and then they're almost
like

622
00:40:25,773 --> 00:40:30,877
feel betrayed by me because they almost
then want me to be who they're projecting

623
00:40:30,877 --> 00:40:32,968
me to be. But I'm actually not that way at
all.

624
00:40:32,968 --> 00:40:36,621
That actually I'm a pretty anybody who
gets to know me knows that I'm

625
00:40:37,055 --> 00:40:42,056
actually you know pretty carefree person
with a lot of interests and loves

626
00:40:42,056 --> 00:40:44,060
I I I basically love everybody,

627
00:40:44,060 --> 00:40:45,661
I get along with about everybody.

628
00:40:45,661 --> 00:40:52,510
And people have a hard time putting that
and I think it really gets it's

629
00:40:52,510 --> 00:40:54,096
a really good example, I think,

630
00:40:54,096 --> 00:41:00,461
at the roots of our faith is that you know
people are always I think coming from

631
00:41:00,461 --> 00:41:03,113
a limited point of view, it's either this
or that.

632
00:41:03,113 --> 00:41:05,294
It can't be the two at the same time.

633
00:41:05,294 --> 00:41:06,625
So either you're like

634
00:41:06,923 --> 00:41:11,306
a rigid hard ass, or you're a loved lovey
dovey,

635
00:41:11,306 --> 00:41:17,171
but ~ they can't kind of embrace that you

636
00:41:17,171 --> 00:41:20,893
can be a really strong, committed,

637
00:41:20,893 --> 00:41:25,177
highly disciplined, very high character
person,

638
00:41:25,177 --> 00:41:29,020
and at the same time be a lot of fun to be
around,

639
00:41:29,020 --> 00:41:33,443
be very loving and flexible and
open-minded with other people.

640
00:41:34,047 --> 00:41:38,740
And I think a lot of that goes really to
the ~ the roots of our faith.

641
00:41:38,740 --> 00:41:42,713
And I I think that that's something that
I've actually developed over my life

642
00:41:43,073 --> 00:41:46,756
is to be more and more that way because I
I think that really gets you know,

643
00:41:46,756 --> 00:41:49,127
even the name of this ~ podcast,

644
00:41:49,127 --> 00:41:51,529
Warrior Saint, is that you know,

645
00:41:51,529 --> 00:41:55,202
people think you're either a warrior or
you're a saint,

646
00:41:55,202 --> 00:42:00,685
but they can't quite wrap their heads
around is that you can be all this

647
00:42:00,685 --> 00:42:02,827
in one package. So they only see

648
00:42:03,167 --> 00:42:05,259
in you what they want to see in you,

649
00:42:05,259 --> 00:42:09,173
but they they haven't got to the point
they can see that you're actually embro

650
00:42:09,233 --> 00:42:13,116
you're actually an embodiment of all of
that to all at the same time.

651
00:42:13,116 --> 00:42:15,799
What what's your what's your experience?

652
00:42:18,089 --> 00:42:22,242
~ well that's kind of

653
00:42:22,242 --> 00:42:27,176
an interesting topic because as you're
talking I'm

654
00:42:27,316 --> 00:42:30,499
I'm remembering our evolution

655
00:42:33,163 --> 00:42:37,285
Because we did start off kind of like
super fanatic.

656
00:42:37,285 --> 00:42:43,669
~ in the very early days and we would

657
00:42:43,669 --> 00:42:44,830
do this kinda

658
00:42:49,587 --> 00:42:55,652
One one of my favorite i in ~ Indian
culture

659
00:42:55,652 --> 00:43:00,316
and the language when you address somebody
else you

660
00:43:00,536 --> 00:43:04,920
you say G I or however you want to spell
it,

661
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,263
G. And G means soul. So you can say it

662
00:43:09,263 --> 00:43:12,776
to anybody like Hey G,

663
00:43:12,776 --> 00:43:16,658
how are you doing today? And it just means
hi,

664
00:43:16,658 --> 00:43:18,431
I'm talking to your soul, how are you?

665
00:43:20,321 --> 00:43:25,718
But when we're what when we're in the
throes

666
00:43:25,718 --> 00:43:32,288
of our our radicalism, we would we'd

667
00:43:32,288 --> 00:43:36,792
do this thing with the word G where you go
You're not supposed to do it like that.

668
00:43:36,792 --> 00:43:37,792
G

669
00:43:38,731 --> 00:43:39,731
Sh

670
00:43:40,727 --> 00:43:42,808
And it became a weapon. I mean,

671
00:43:42,808 --> 00:43:44,608
it's so funny looking back now.

672
00:43:44,608 --> 00:43:48,889
But we had to come from where we were.

673
00:43:48,889 --> 00:43:54,681
We had to kinda put on this whole new
thing completely.

674
00:43:54,681 --> 00:43:58,982
You know, and people growing up in the
last twenty,

675
00:43:58,982 --> 00:44:05,394
thirty years have no idea that how kind of
well,

676
00:44:05,394 --> 00:44:07,901
you know, look at pictures from the
fifties and the

677
00:44:08,395 --> 00:44:14,811
early sixties and America was kind of
homogenous and ~ you know,

678
00:44:14,811 --> 00:44:17,678
just Christian and Jewish and that was
about it and

679
00:44:20,415 --> 00:44:25,307
Now it's kind of like a anything goes,

680
00:44:25,307 --> 00:44:29,727
you know, nobody gets grief for looking
different or looking weird or having

681
00:44:29,727 --> 00:44:30,727
a beard or

682
00:44:32,555 --> 00:44:36,872
But back then we were coming out of that
and a lot of people were kind

683
00:44:36,872 --> 00:44:40,809
of trying to apply their old religious v
approach,

684
00:44:40,809 --> 00:44:46,659
which in a lot of cases is kind of fanatic
or

685
00:44:48,811 --> 00:44:50,772
You might not have been a fanatic before,

686
00:44:50,772 --> 00:44:52,332
but then when you got into this,

687
00:44:52,332 --> 00:44:58,795
you s your concept was I have to do it
really exactly right.

688
00:44:58,795 --> 00:45:04,037
And then it ends up being kind of looking
fanatic.

689
00:45:04,037 --> 00:45:08,228
And I went through that and I you know,

690
00:45:08,228 --> 00:45:10,219
and then years of just getting

691
00:45:12,691 --> 00:45:16,454
Seeing the world happen and how how things
happen and how people come

692
00:45:16,454 --> 00:45:21,478
and go and stuff comes and goes and
eventually you're just like,

693
00:45:21,478 --> 00:45:25,792
it's just all God. Why are you bugging
about anything?

694
00:45:25,792 --> 00:45:28,984
Just God is the doer.

695
00:45:28,984 --> 00:45:30,876
There's nothing outside of you.

696
00:45:30,876 --> 00:45:32,327
If you can learn that one thing,

697
00:45:32,327 --> 00:45:38,022
and I can tell you you can go right now
and talk

698
00:45:38,022 --> 00:45:41,224
to the ~ quantum physicists,

699
00:45:41,224 --> 00:45:42,224
they'll tell you

700
00:45:42,615 --> 00:45:46,678
Nothing is real. They'll tell you the
exact same thing the yogis have told

701
00:45:47,338 --> 00:45:51,741
the world since time began. There's
nothing real

702
00:45:53,182 --> 00:45:54,863
and there's nothing outside of you.

703
00:45:57,069 --> 00:46:00,747
Exactly what the yogi said and now they're
saying it and showing

704
00:46:00,747 --> 00:46:02,410
how that actually happens.

705
00:46:04,487 --> 00:46:08,800
Yeah, so you just start everything with
there's nothing outside

706
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,562
of me and see where that takes you.

707
00:46:12,562 --> 00:46:18,607
Because it means everything that bothers
you it's you.

708
00:46:18,607 --> 00:46:21,188
Everything that you like it's you.

709
00:46:21,188 --> 00:46:22,749
Everything you don't like is you,

710
00:46:22,749 --> 00:46:25,011
everything that's happy is you,

711
00:46:25,011 --> 00:46:26,792
everything is sad is you, everything.

712
00:46:26,792 --> 00:46:31,295
It's all you and then you know,

713
00:46:31,295 --> 00:46:33,397
you say, well then you're saying you're
God

714
00:46:34,353 --> 00:46:39,104
No, everything's God. God is playing all
this game

715
00:46:39,104 --> 00:46:44,026
of separating itself into people and trees

716
00:46:44,026 --> 00:46:47,257
and bugs and planets and stars.

717
00:46:47,257 --> 00:46:50,628
And once you relax into that,

718
00:46:50,628 --> 00:46:54,699
pfft snuffin' to what's gonna bother ya?

719
00:46:54,699 --> 00:46:59,681
So but that take you know, it took took a
long time.

720
00:46:59,681 --> 00:47:00,813
You know

721
00:47:00,977 --> 00:47:05,762
when when i was living in the environment
you're talking about living

722
00:47:06,277 --> 00:47:12,520
in ashram living in this ~ communal ~
lifestyle big house a

723
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:18,646
lot of people i was the i was always
considered the person

724
00:47:18,646 --> 00:47:22,861
who wasn't taking this seriously and

725
00:47:24,065 --> 00:47:26,626
people, you know, not only not only what
you know,

726
00:47:26,626 --> 00:47:30,807
there'd be like a gudwara going upstairs
in the ashram on Sundays

727
00:47:31,107 --> 00:47:33,588
and I'd be watching, you know,

728
00:47:33,588 --> 00:47:37,339
football down in the basement during the
during the service.

729
00:47:37,339 --> 00:47:40,309
So pe people think I'm I'm really not
taking this seriously.

730
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:46,691
And there was nobody else in the ashram
who any they they considered sports

731
00:47:46,691 --> 00:47:50,122
to be like below them spiritually.

732
00:47:50,122 --> 00:47:52,833
So I was some lesser creature who

733
00:47:53,499 --> 00:47:58,713
hadn't seen the light yet and then maybe ~
maybe I'd come around at some point.

734
00:47:58,713 --> 00:48:02,076
And then if it was like Friday night,

735
00:48:02,076 --> 00:48:06,300
everybody knew every Friday night I'd be
at the local jazz club.

736
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:08,582
And they're thinking, you know,

737
00:48:08,582 --> 00:48:14,867
what kind of I mean they they were like
very fanatical and they're thinking

738
00:48:14,867 --> 00:48:17,909
why is this guy going to a jazz club?

739
00:48:17,909 --> 00:48:22,353
But you know the funny part of the two I
guess the two funny parts about it is that

740
00:48:23,451 --> 00:48:29,213
In time, ~ almost all the guys

741
00:48:29,213 --> 00:48:33,265
in the ashram landed up following me to
the stadiums on Sunday.

742
00:48:33,265 --> 00:48:34,636
And

743
00:48:33,586 --> 00:48:34,586
Okay.

744
00:48:34,636 --> 00:48:39,768
in time, virtually everyone in the ashram
would be in that jazz club every Friday

745
00:48:39,768 --> 00:48:43,509
night. I hung in there, I didn't react to
any of this.

746
00:48:43,509 --> 00:48:47,141
And they're finally, and I used to I used
to go out,

747
00:48:47,141 --> 00:48:51,503
I remember like twice a week, I was in a
actually ~ played ho I still

748
00:48:51,503 --> 00:48:52,503
was playing ice hockey.

749
00:48:53,473 --> 00:48:56,985
And I was in a hockey league. And they
have like the people,

750
00:48:56,985 --> 00:49:00,377
the kind of people who are in the ashram
at that point have no idea what

751
00:49:00,377 --> 00:49:05,080
is this guy wearing all white turban and
he's he's carrying his hockey gear

752
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,001
and he's off to playing hockey at midnight
because that's the only time

753
00:49:08,001 --> 00:49:10,883
you get Ice Time. But in in time,

754
00:49:10,883 --> 00:49:13,705
everybody was there watching me play
hockey.

755
00:49:13,705 --> 00:49:19,608
And ~ and so I was a very bad influence on
everyone

756
00:49:19,828 --> 00:49:21,269
who actually got within

757
00:49:21,787 --> 00:49:26,240
a hundred yards of me, because I kind of
was bringing them all to this other world

758
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,821
that they didn't want to have any part of.

759
00:49:28,821 --> 00:49:33,164
And the other thing that's interesting is
that the

760
00:49:33,164 --> 00:49:38,347
few people who how hung in there and they
were like,

761
00:49:38,347 --> 00:49:40,889
as you say, very fanatical and very rigid,

762
00:49:40,889 --> 00:49:43,961
and had even, I think,

763
00:49:43,961 --> 00:49:47,823
some resentment and anger about the way
that I was conducting myself.

764
00:49:49,107 --> 00:49:51,089
They're all gone. I'm still around.

765
00:49:51,089 --> 00:49:54,181
I think that's a very, very important
lesson.

766
00:49:54,181 --> 00:49:55,181
These

767
00:49:54,567 --> 00:49:55,567
Yeah.

768
00:49:54,952 --> 00:49:58,124
are the people, now now you're kind of
bringing stuff out of me,

769
00:49:58,124 --> 00:50:04,349
old time resentments, but there was I
remember so many people who were telling

770
00:50:04,349 --> 00:50:08,133
me that I wasn't a good Sikh,

771
00:50:08,133 --> 00:50:11,175
that I wasn't serious about this,

772
00:50:11,175 --> 00:50:18,157
that that I needed to walk away from all
these things to to to really ~

773
00:50:18,525 --> 00:50:22,047
be true to whatever this is, they're all
gone.

774
00:50:22,047 --> 00:50:24,909
I'm still here. And now am I still here?

775
00:50:24,909 --> 00:50:27,871
I basically am walking the walk.

776
00:50:27,871 --> 00:50:31,314
And and I had, I just kind of,

777
00:50:31,314 --> 00:50:35,020
even back then there was something in me
that said,

778
00:50:35,020 --> 00:50:38,118
I don't actually have to give up any of
this stuff.

779
00:50:38,118 --> 00:50:43,502
Okay. I have to, I have to I I think the
lesson very early on for me is that

780
00:50:43,982 --> 00:50:45,923
I had to integrate this stuff.

781
00:50:45,923 --> 00:50:47,505
I didn't have to give up anything.

782
00:50:47,505 --> 00:50:48,505
I had to

783
00:50:48,305 --> 00:50:53,788
make everything work together so I wasn't
so it's working together.

784
00:50:53,788 --> 00:50:57,987
And and I think that's also very much from
our faith.

785
00:50:57,987 --> 00:51:01,913
I think there's a whole historical ~ and I
think those are in the teachings

786
00:51:01,913 --> 00:51:04,483
of the faith that it's about integration.

787
00:51:04,483 --> 00:51:09,927
It's not about renunciation. And so I I
saw that and I think that

788
00:51:10,269 --> 00:51:14,030
There were people who now I really I kinda
understand this is that

789
00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:17,565
and and I'm trying to understand it from a
compassionate place,

790
00:51:17,565 --> 00:51:22,779
is that I think that ultimately a lot of
people are acting like they're really

791
00:51:22,779 --> 00:51:24,671
committed, they're really sure of
themselves,

792
00:51:24,671 --> 00:51:27,263
but deep down they're insecure about it,

793
00:51:27,263 --> 00:51:29,324
and they're insecure about themselves.

794
00:51:29,324 --> 00:51:35,019
And so they've got to be like like a
certain way to prove to themselves

795
00:51:35,019 --> 00:51:38,192
and others that they are something.

796
00:51:38,192 --> 00:51:39,833
They're they that they're not yet.

797
00:51:40,687 --> 00:51:42,788
And I from early on going, no,

798
00:51:42,788 --> 00:51:44,549
no, I like football, I like jazz,

799
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:49,701
I like this. I I I there's nothing that's
if these things are not prohibited.

800
00:51:50,086 --> 00:51:51,086
No.

801
00:51:50,541 --> 00:51:56,484
But but you know, I've got to kind of
integrate it into some some whole here.

802
00:51:56,484 --> 00:52:01,516
And and that's always been like really
important to me is is

803
00:52:01,516 --> 00:52:05,948
to be like like a person who's interested
in a lot of things that

804
00:52:05,948 --> 00:52:08,039
I'm very participating in the world,

805
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:09,039
but

806
00:52:08,797 --> 00:52:11,331
But I I figure out a way to make it all
work together.

807
00:52:13,253 --> 00:52:20,185
Yeah, and the whole idea of our whole path
Kundalini

808
00:52:20,185 --> 00:52:24,656
Yoga and Sikhism seek Dharma. I don't even
call it a religion.

809
00:52:24,656 --> 00:52:28,687
I think religion the idea

810
00:52:28,687 --> 00:52:33,639
of religion destroys dharmas, but ~

811
00:52:34,659 --> 00:52:36,920
the whole idea is the householder.

812
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,820
You fully participate in life.

813
00:52:39,820 --> 00:52:41,711
Well, I mean not

814
00:52:43,281 --> 00:52:46,829
drugs and wild sex kind of participate.

815
00:52:46,829 --> 00:52:49,675
But in the you know, normal life,

816
00:52:49,675 --> 00:52:52,712
get married, have kids, build a business,

817
00:52:52,712 --> 00:52:53,744
get very rich.

818
00:52:56,047 --> 00:53:00,379
Nothing none of that is prohibited and our
whole thing is designed

819
00:53:00,379 --> 00:53:04,302
to work around that. We get up in the
morning and do our meditation

820
00:53:04,302 --> 00:53:06,783
and then we're done at six thirty.

821
00:53:06,783 --> 00:53:10,885
Start your day. Do your whole normal day.

822
00:53:10,885 --> 00:53:16,458
Do whatever you do. But you have that and
by the way,

823
00:53:16,458 --> 00:53:21,471
that two and a half hours is

824
00:53:22,552 --> 00:53:24,853
one tenth of a day, twenty four hours.

825
00:53:25,755 --> 00:53:27,706
One tenth of that is two and a half hours.

826
00:53:27,706 --> 00:53:31,628
So you're tithing your time to your own
soul,

827
00:53:31,628 --> 00:53:33,248
to your own higher consciousness.

828
00:53:33,248 --> 00:53:37,430
And whatever you give karmically comes
back ten times.

829
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:41,412
It multiplies by ten. Everybody thinks
karma's even.

830
00:53:41,412 --> 00:53:45,273
It's not even. It gets multiplied by ten.

831
00:53:45,273 --> 00:53:48,625
So you were on the right track early.

832
00:53:48,625 --> 00:53:50,816
I was I went and saw every movie.

833
00:53:50,816 --> 00:53:53,377
I I was a movie freak.

834
00:53:54,449 --> 00:53:56,710
I never did give up anything. I just

835
00:53:57,447 --> 00:53:59,026
What's your favorite type of movies?

836
00:53:59,026 --> 00:54:00,026
What do you like?

837
00:54:01,267 --> 00:54:05,196
I like kind of tongue in cheek action

838
00:54:07,846 --> 00:54:11,725
~ it depends. You know, there's some
series movies I like,

839
00:54:11,725 --> 00:54:17,649
but a lot of them are just ~ like
intellectual I can't stand intellectual.

840
00:54:20,467 --> 00:54:24,285
But you know, I like stuff with Arnold
Schwarzenegger because it's

841
00:54:26,407 --> 00:54:30,060
He knows that it's a goof and you know
it's a goof.

842
00:54:30,060 --> 00:54:35,343
He's not trying to be the actor of the
century and it's just some fun action.

843
00:54:35,343 --> 00:54:37,845
That's the kind of stuff I mainly like.

844
00:54:37,845 --> 00:54:43,399
I might like rom coms or whatever.

845
00:54:45,757 --> 00:54:50,701
Anything anything nice. I dunno I used to
kinda like horror movies,

846
00:54:50,701 --> 00:54:53,784
get a thrill, but now my nerves can't
handle it.

847
00:54:55,697 --> 00:54:59,169
No, I have I have enough challenges
sleeping these days.

848
00:54:59,169 --> 00:55:00,440
I don't need that on my night.

849
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,972
So ~ I you know,

850
00:55:03,972 --> 00:55:07,303
I never was much of a I I never was much
of a movie guy.

851
00:55:07,303 --> 00:55:12,586
I think mostly because I it it's other
than watching a ball game,

852
00:55:12,586 --> 00:55:17,909
it's tough for me to like sit like two
hours for ~ anything

853
00:55:17,969 --> 00:55:23,712
and I've got so much I I think just my
personality.

854
00:55:23,712 --> 00:55:24,712
I'm such a

855
00:55:24,953 --> 00:55:30,485
stimulation junkie that it's like nonstop
stimulation for me.

856
00:55:30,485 --> 00:55:32,995
So ~ it's from one thing to the next.

857
00:55:32,995 --> 00:55:36,736
So for me to actually have the patience to
sit down.

858
00:55:36,736 --> 00:55:41,658
I think the only thing that I'm
consistently willing to sit through,

859
00:55:41,658 --> 00:55:43,798
like for two and a half hours,

860
00:55:43,798 --> 00:55:46,656
is opera. I'm a big I'm a big opera
physic.

861
00:55:46,656 --> 00:55:48,310
I think I had told you that I'm I am.

862
00:55:48,310 --> 00:55:52,391
I'm a I'm a total opera nut. I'm gonna be
in New York next week.

863
00:55:52,657 --> 00:55:54,721
I'm gonna be at the opera almost every
night.

864
00:55:54,721 --> 00:55:56,664
I'm just the big, big opera nut.

865
00:55:56,664 --> 00:55:59,760
But you know, some of them go on and on.

866
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:05,391
I mean, it it could be like three hours of
~ of endurance to get through one.

867
00:56:05,427 --> 00:56:10,921
You just reminded me there used to be a
guy living in the Oshroom here

868
00:56:10,921 --> 00:56:15,364
who was a mousketeer and he was in

869
00:56:15,364 --> 00:56:20,208
the band ~ Moonlight Feels Right was their
big hit.

870
00:56:20,208 --> 00:56:22,069
~ what was the name of that band?

871
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:26,352
Anyway, he and I were talking about
writing a musical.

872
00:56:26,352 --> 00:56:30,835
We went to New York and went to two shows
a day for a week.

873
00:56:30,835 --> 00:56:33,017
And so

874
00:56:33,843 --> 00:56:37,844
thirteen, fourteen shows, something.

875
00:56:36,349 --> 00:56:37,594
Well like like Broadway plays.

876
00:56:37,844 --> 00:56:40,935
Broadway plays. Yeah. That was kinda wild.

877
00:56:40,935 --> 00:56:47,317
there's one more story that I wanted to
bring up because he

878
00:56:47,317 --> 00:56:53,058
and I were talking the other day about New
York and he loves New York

879
00:56:53,058 --> 00:56:55,099
and I can't stand it for one second.

880
00:56:55,099 --> 00:56:58,520
'Cause I grew up in the exurbs,

881
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,041
not even the suburbs. We we would be in
the country,

882
00:57:02,041 --> 00:57:03,111
not you know

883
00:57:03,645 --> 00:57:08,526
farmland way out, but on the outskirts
even of the suburbs and we

884
00:57:08,526 --> 00:57:15,088
had always had land and woods and trees
and lakes and so that's

885
00:57:15,088 --> 00:57:20,050
how my brain works and the first time I
ever saw a in Washington DC,

886
00:57:20,050 --> 00:57:22,191
the first time I ever saw a row house,

887
00:57:22,191 --> 00:57:25,822
I got nauseous that people live like that.

888
00:57:25,822 --> 00:57:30,043
I lit I got physically nauseous that you
would l have that.

889
00:57:30,183 --> 00:57:31,510
Yeah, yeah, no.

890
00:57:32,083 --> 00:57:35,285
But anyway in nineteen seventy two,

891
00:57:35,285 --> 00:57:37,536
I think, one or two somewhere.

892
00:57:37,536 --> 00:57:41,739
~ I was in the Calls of String Band,

893
00:57:41,739 --> 00:57:44,821
which was a band a bunch of us put
together in the early days.

894
00:57:44,821 --> 00:57:50,445
We went to New York to record an album.

895
00:57:50,445 --> 00:57:56,709
And ~ so one night we all went out

896
00:57:59,475 --> 00:58:01,313
Just mopping around to have fun.

897
00:58:01,313 --> 00:58:02,919
And

898
00:58:05,241 --> 00:58:07,290
One of the ladies in the band is Krishna,

899
00:58:07,290 --> 00:58:09,971
Black Krishna. And ~

900
00:58:12,425 --> 00:58:15,660
She was called Black Krishna 'cause she's
black and there was another Krishna

901
00:58:15,660 --> 00:58:17,723
who was white and she was called Pink
Krishna.

902
00:58:19,977 --> 00:58:26,341
case you're wondering. And but she she was
actually ~ Broadway actress

903
00:58:26,341 --> 00:58:28,663
and was in a in the movie The Pawnbrokers.

904
00:58:28,663 --> 00:58:32,055
~ but anyway she

905
00:58:35,721 --> 00:58:41,756
She was with us and we're walking along
down in Manhattan and we come

906
00:58:41,756 --> 00:58:46,770
to this big giant construction area with a
big skyscraper going up.

907
00:58:46,770 --> 00:58:49,913
And we went over to

908
00:58:49,913 --> 00:58:54,767
the entrance and there

909
00:58:54,767 --> 00:58:58,600
was this big big dude there at the front,

910
00:58:58,600 --> 00:58:59,600
black guy and

911
00:59:02,257 --> 00:59:05,458
you know, the guard and we said,

912
00:59:05,458 --> 00:59:07,559
ca can we go in there? He said,

913
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:11,517
No, nobody can go in there. So Krishna
goes up to him,

914
00:59:11,517 --> 00:59:15,683
bats her eyes at him. ~ come on,

915
00:59:15,683 --> 00:59:20,645
it'll be all right. She totally charmed
the guy and he let us go

916
00:59:20,665 --> 00:59:23,976
in to this active construction site.

917
00:59:23,976 --> 00:59:26,967
It was at night, there wasn't any actual
construction going on.

918
00:59:26,967 --> 00:59:30,749
He took us up to the eighty first floor,

919
00:59:30,749 --> 00:59:31,749
which is

920
00:59:32,059 --> 00:59:34,490
near the top of what had been built
already.

921
00:59:34,490 --> 00:59:40,832
And we walked out to the edge and there
were there were

922
00:59:40,832 --> 00:59:46,294
no walls or windows. This was open and
they had wooden you know,

923
00:59:46,294 --> 00:59:49,315
they'd put a wooden rail just two by
fours.

924
00:59:49,315 --> 00:59:55,297
And we're we're s leaning over this rail
looking down eighty one stories down

925
00:59:55,297 --> 00:59:56,507
the side of that building.

926
00:59:58,632 --> 00:59:59,632
And ~

927
01:00:01,775 --> 01:00:06,922
It was on September eleventh that I
remembered that that was

928
01:00:06,922 --> 01:00:09,069
the Trade World Trade Center.

929
01:00:09,863 --> 01:00:11,316
they were just putting that up then.

930
01:00:11,316 --> 01:00:14,280
Wow, that's amazing.

931
01:00:17,651 --> 01:00:20,838
There you go. There you go.

932
01:00:20,838 --> 01:00:24,517
Just guess that's a big thing for New
Yorkers in particular.

933
01:00:26,631 --> 01:00:32,536
Yeah. I've had a few of those Forest Gump
moments where I've been

934
01:00:33,479 --> 01:00:35,675
been somewhere for something important.

935
01:00:36,861 --> 01:00:40,843
Well listen, as we ~ it's it's been about
an hour as we wrap this up.

936
01:00:40,843 --> 01:00:43,706
Well listen, first of all, thanks a whole
lot.

937
01:00:43,706 --> 01:00:48,680
Really appreciate you. And ~ this being ~
the

938
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:53,815
~ Warrior Saint podcast and and

939
01:00:53,935 --> 01:01:00,340
~ we're ~ always keeping it aligned to the
culsa ideal.

940
01:01:00,340 --> 01:01:05,074
~ you're a culsa yourself. would you like
to say a nice word about do

941
01:01:05,074 --> 01:01:06,365
you have some nice words?

942
01:01:07,050 --> 01:01:11,152
In any way that you'd like to share about
Gudugovin Singh before we say goodbye.

943
01:01:13,344 --> 01:01:14,344
Wow.

944
01:01:16,659 --> 01:01:17,853
Putting you on the spot there,

945
01:01:17,853 --> 01:01:18,853
huh?

946
01:01:19,145 --> 01:01:24,068
Well my my view of Guru Gobind Singh

947
01:01:25,789 --> 01:01:30,712
is that whatever I had that made me like
just

948
01:01:31,952 --> 01:01:34,294
I'm made for this, ~ there's no questions,

949
01:01:34,294 --> 01:01:39,677
there's no nothing. Throw whatever you
want at me can't knock me off.

950
01:01:39,677 --> 01:01:45,640
I mean I'm not claiming anything yet.

951
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:46,941
I'm not done yet, but

952
01:01:49,437 --> 01:01:50,437
He

953
01:01:53,149 --> 01:01:59,791
That's that kind of example of you're just
playing the world

954
01:01:59,791 --> 01:02:05,283
as a game. When you see the whole see the
the game,

955
01:02:05,283 --> 01:02:07,354
you see God is doing all the parts.

956
01:02:07,354 --> 01:02:11,255
God is the one who's shooting the arrow,

957
01:02:11,255 --> 01:02:13,376
God is the one being shot by the arrow.

958
01:02:13,376 --> 01:02:15,837
And by the way

959
01:02:17,981 --> 01:02:24,152
I've always recommended to people
Christopher Isherwood's Bhagavad Gita
because

960
01:02:24,172 --> 01:02:29,381
in the battle scene where Arjuna and
Krishna are standing against the entire
army,

961
01:02:29,381 --> 01:02:31,475
just the two of

962
01:02:34,325 --> 01:02:36,037
And the way Krishna talks, he's like,

963
01:02:36,037 --> 01:02:39,651
Yeah That's just stuff,

964
01:02:39,651 --> 01:02:42,253
Maya. Those aren't real. Don't worry about
that.

965
01:02:42,253 --> 01:02:45,577
God is gonna do what God's gonna do and
we'll win.

966
01:02:47,857 --> 01:02:49,591
And that was Gurgo V and Singh's

967
01:02:52,337 --> 01:02:58,905
message the way I see it. Like 'cause he
had his children were killed

968
01:02:58,905 --> 01:03:04,813
and his I mean his whole the Mughals just
came after him and everything

969
01:03:04,813 --> 01:03:08,718
he knew and loved. And he just yeah,

970
01:03:08,718 --> 01:03:10,750
come on, bring some more. Got more,

971
01:03:10,750 --> 01:03:11,750
come on.

972
01:03:13,989 --> 01:03:15,389
And it's not like ~

973
01:03:17,597 --> 01:03:22,482
It's just like a if you can just switch
your attitude like that,

974
01:03:22,482 --> 01:03:26,827
then you enjoy the stuff that comes,

975
01:03:26,827 --> 01:03:30,952
you enjoy the challenges, you enjoy the
ups and the downs and everything.

976
01:03:30,952 --> 01:03:35,667
Because you s you're in the game and you
see the game and that it's just a play.

977
01:03:37,779 --> 01:03:40,276
So that's what I get out of Guru Goman
Singh,

978
01:03:40,276 --> 01:03:45,110
Maharaj. I mean you know many other games.

979
01:03:46,759 --> 01:03:52,331
I appreciate that coming from you and you
know before I s say goodbye,

980
01:03:52,331 --> 01:03:55,433
just ~ thank you for your friendship.

981
01:03:55,433 --> 01:04:00,915
love you and ~ also ~ thank you for really
being one

982
01:04:00,915 --> 01:04:06,467
of the pioneers for bringing the spirit

983
01:04:06,467 --> 01:04:12,010
of Gudagovin Singh and the Khalsa to the
shores of the West.

984
01:04:12,010 --> 01:04:15,201
You're part of that great legacy.

985
01:04:15,939 --> 01:04:22,397
And certainly ~ one of the great sons of
Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj.

986
01:04:22,397 --> 01:04:24,890
So thanks buddy, we'll see you soon.

987
01:04:24,890 --> 01:04:30,106
Wahiguruji Karakalsa. Wahiguruji ki fate.