WWE SMACKDOWN POST-SHOW (7/11) - Keller & Wells talk Logan-Jelly Roll-Orton-Drew, Tiffany-Trish, Wyatt's tag win, NXT GAB, more

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Now PW tor Jan Spreaker bring you the Wade Keller
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Pro Wrestling post show. It's time to talk this week's
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WWE Friday Night SmackDown. All Right, Kelly, Big big weekend
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for WWE We're going to talk about SmackDown tonight, of
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course because it's our normal Friday night SmackDown post show,
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but we're also going to talk a bit about the
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other events coming up this weekend. They piped all three
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more Saturday night It's main event and Evolution, of course,
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but you are the host of PWT Talks NXT and
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Right TV Reports on NXT, so we'll talk about that
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lineup too. Let's start with just the job that you
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think they did in building up the Trish Tiffany match
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at Evolution. Wade Barrett, standing mid ring, says it's a
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dream match of sorts, and then they each who are
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baby face some popular managed to do what I think
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Bailey and lyra Velcaria did, which is kind of make
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us like them a little bit less, at least by
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the end of the segment as they took little digs
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at each other. Not quite as bad as them, but
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I do question that a little that approach a little
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bit where they make you choose between babyfaces and choose
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between heels, WHI seems to be a pull of back
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specialty these days. And the delivery was a little clunky
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from both of them, which is normal, but at the
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same time, I liked the staging of it and framing
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of it is a big deal, you know, and going
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this is a bit of a dream match with the
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two generations. So yeah, I mean, what were the pros
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and cons for?
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You say that the way they tried to present this
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was really good. I just thought that the specific lines
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they were given were very bland. I just I think
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that they thought that they could carry this with one
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dig by each person. And the digs were okay.
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And VHS was good. The TikTok thing would have been
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better for could understand Trish he just can enunciate right,
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and did in denunciate?
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Yeah, hers was much flatter and and I think that
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Tiffany did her line well. But when Tiffany's just trying
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to be a normal person in a babyface context, I
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think it's still a shoe that she doesn't quite fit into.
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I like her in general, but I tend to forget
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that she's champion at times, which isn't great. But I
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think that they tried so I like what they tried
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with the presentation of this, making Wade go into the
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ring and everything like this, but it just needed a
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much better script.
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Yeah, and I mean, the script is one of them.
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It's it's clunky, but sometimes you can mask getting scripted
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lines if your delivery is smooth and it's just Tiffany's vocals. Still,
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I would say could use a vocal coach. It's not.
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Everybody needs help with things in their profession that should
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not come across as is. You know, an unfair dig.
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You you get coached on. You get expert help on
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all kinds of things when you're in a profession, when
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you ask people to pay to see you and follow
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you on social media and all that stuff, which is
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what to be does with other performers. Truisia has never
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been our strength. So when you put them both there,
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that is an inherent weakness because they make the bad
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kind of corny scripting worse. Or they can take a
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decent line. I thought the VHS line I did pop
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for that. I thought that was a nice line and accurate.
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It made me think, how many vhss do I have downstairs?
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And what does that say about me? Not too many
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actually anymore, but a few that didn't come out in
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DVD that I replaced. So yeah, I guess did they
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Is it important? And did they accomplish making you think
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that a title might change hands. I don't. I don't
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know how important that really is to get people to
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tune in. I don't think it's it's a zero factor,
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and you certainly want that to be the case. Most
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of the time that you do, title matches have some
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semblance of doubt for the finish, so it's a bonus.
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But is this more just about novelty of seeing Trish
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from one generation in Tiffany and the idea of Trish
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winning the title is sort of like, I don't want
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to say an eye roll, but it's like, although I'm
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kind of rolling my eyes, it's like it's not likely
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to happen, but it's sort of baked in. I guess
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with today's fans they kind of know it's more of
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a novelty match. Or do you think some people go, hey,
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Trish could win and then Summerslimon's a rematch. I mean,
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that could happen too, So how do you think that
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they did in that aspect of it? In homepourn is.
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It we don't know how important it is in the
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grand scheme of the show. It's clearly not what they
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think is carrying the show, So I guess that part
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of it's all right, you wouldn't want to do that
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every time, But I do understand why they're doing that
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at Evolution. Everything that Trish did for that particular division,
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I think I understand why on paper they thought that
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this would be decent, but they put her out there
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and being on the mic was never her super strength,
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but she got at it just from a lot of
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reps in attitude era. I mean, she was given so
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much practice, so she kind of was okay at that eventually.
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Kind of okay.
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Yeah, that let me stop with shorts.
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I don't want to be up and I just want
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to be honest, Like Tricia is really nice and she
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was talented in the ring and stood out in her era.
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But I mean, I don't think she would claim that
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her vocals were strength or why she got a push
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or why people liked her.
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And I think it would be okay if if somebody
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was in there who either could heal on her, and
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it would be a good it would be a smart
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thing for them to heal on her, but just somebody
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in general who could really carry the feud on the
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mic for both people.
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I liked the aspect of it, which is if I
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beat you, you have nothing. Trish told Tiffany, you're not
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going to be one of the goats and you won't
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be champion anymore. And I like Tiffany going, I need
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to beat you, or it'll help if I beat you.
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With all the other people I've defeated, and she listed
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several key names, if I can beat Charlotte and Bailey,
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and I mean, then if I beat you, I'm I
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might be in the category of a goat. Now I
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think from a babyface standpoint, given how early in her
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career she is, I would have scripted her or coached her,
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or she should have the instincts to say, I have
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many many years to go before I should be in
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the conversation with you as a greatest of all time.
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But no one becomes the greatest of all time without
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defeating the greats of their era and sometimes those who
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preceded them. And you are one of them. And I
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respect the hell out of you. But when the bell rings,
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I'll respect you while I try to beat you, because
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if I beat you, I add to a list of
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names that I think puts me on course to someday
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be considered one of the greats, Like I don't think
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it's that hard, Like, I just don't think you want Tiffany,
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who was already fighting kind of the headwind of you know,
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kind of like Bianca bell Air. You're still doing essentially
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the same act you did when you were a heel,
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but you're just positioned and framed and talked about as
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a babyface. Like just like, be a little more nuanced
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and realistic about it. It seems arrogant and premature to
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give off the sense that you think beating Trish sort
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of puts you there. And I think her language left
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me with that impression. Did it with you, Kelly? And
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do you think she should show some There should be
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some humility when somebody is so new going up against
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a legend like Trish.
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I feel very much the same way, and I think
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the audience did too. They didn't want to boo Tiffany,
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but as a result, because they couldn't cheer that because
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it was so audacious, they didn't respond at all. And
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the crowd really didn't respond to this segment much at all.
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I think they did the idea of going out there
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with Wade talking like cutting promos on one another was
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a good one and a good idea, but it just
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wasn't screw did well, it wasn't delivered well. Somebody in
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the chat said that it seemed like they weren't responding
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to each other. They were just talking past each other,
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and I guess that kind of makes sense. They were
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cutting promos as if the other wasn't really there. Yeah,
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it just was it was their last chance to put
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the best foot forward here, and I just thought that
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I just I'm bummed because I've been following Tiffany for
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so long, because she was such a centerpiece of NXT
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for so long, that I want her to be farther
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along than this.
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But talk about what you thought along the journey with Tiffany,
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where she did improve, and where you wish she was
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had improved more by now.
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I thought that she improved really quickly in NXT. I
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thought when she came in she was interesting on the
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mic and not so interesting in the ring. And she
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got to be interesting in the ring pretty quickly. She
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took to the a very fast. But if her ringwork
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went from a three to a seven in super quick time,
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on the on the stick, she went from four and
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a half to five, and just kinda has plateaued there,
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and I don't know if there are people saying she's
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good enough there or what that is, but I just
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I don't know why. Okay, Dwayne Carpenter in the chat says,
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I don't think that Tiffany has improved an inch since
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she turned face. She has stalled out in all areas,
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and then Bryan Solorio said she was never a face
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in NXT, so I don't think she knows how to
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be a face. And that's one of the reasons that
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even if it feels ill advised to take someone as
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popular as oh, let's just say trick Williams and turn
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him heal, they do that because they want to see
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can the man work as a heel. We know that
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NXT audiences aren't going to accept that necessarily, but the
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national audience would, so let's see if he can do it.
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And sometimes they do that before their final form is
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ready and they move up.
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CJ. La Chapelle and Chat says, Tiffany got the championship
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too soon? What do you think about that? Should she
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in order to put her in a position to be
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more embraced as a babyface given her character as a
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heel is so cocky and she sort of looks like
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she was born on second base when it comes to
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getting a b job and a push with certain inherent
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traits and fashion sense presentation makeup all this stuff, she
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is able to put herself out there as a looks
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she looks like a star and and she stands out
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in a way that a lot of other women who
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look athletic and beautiful in a whole array of ways
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don't always have that kind of star power X factor
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that she does have, which can cause some resentment too
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with fans. They can go, wait, you know, you got
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to earn it, and getting a title win in a
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meta sense can lead today's modern audience to go, oh,
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they're pushing her down our throats like the Roman reign stuff,
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as opposed to making people crave it and have her
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show she's improved in a forge a bond with the
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fans and stand for something and then go on the chase.
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So do you agree with CJ's comment in the chat
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that one of the things working against her and this
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isn't her fault, is she was booked to win the
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title too soon. I know a lot was going on
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with her character, you know, along the way, So I
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don't know that they even had a master plan with her.
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But nevertheless, that's where we stand. Where we stand.
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You know, when she won the championship, I didn't think so,
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But now that we've seen the rain, I do think so.
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I think in retrospect, says that it wasn't time for her,
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a babyface, which is just so strange because she's been
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a heel for most of the run up to that.
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As a heal. It wouldn't have been so bad then
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if she had won it quickly, because it would be.
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If people think it's unearned, then that's fine. But they
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made her a hero and then give her a hero's
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journey a babyface winning their first championship by cashing in
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as not an ideal way to win your first championship.
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Sadler. Version three of the chat says Tiffany got forced
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into being a face by the fans without even doing
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much of anything so early after a call up. I
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don't know if you can blame bad booking or Tiffany
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for that. So that's a factor, Kelly. A lot of
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Kelly Wells, who has covered the NXT beat for PW
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Torch really since episode one because of NXT eight years back,
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you have in podcast format almost reviewed every single episode
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of NXT. Kelly, Welcome to the coast chair. It's a
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pleasure to have you. We don't get to do shows
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together too often, but it worked out tonight.
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I don't know why I have decided to cover the
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entirety of NXC, but here we are. Much of it's
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been fun, much of it has not. No, it's always
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been fun to cover. It hasn't always been fun to watch.
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Let's put it that way. Sometimes when it's not good,
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it's really fun to cover. But it's it's just a
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weird time where I think some of the writings, some
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of the backstage stuff has been a little bit better
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on NXT than it has and a little more cohesive
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than it has been on the main roster. But yes,
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I host PWT NXT as I have since the first episode,
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and I do NXT eight years back with Tom Stout,
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and we are almost at the end of that because
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we are almost at the point where we get to
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where we started PWT Talks NXT. We're about six months away,
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so I will have covered every episode of it by then.
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So then what happens, you know, if you do a rewatch?
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Oh man, I mean, that'd be kind of fun. Look
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at let's let's see how they how they looked at
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and where they go from here.
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I know, a rewatch of the stuff. Oh, I thought
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you were saying, start over at the beginning.
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No, no, no, no, I'm saying continue on even the shows
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that you okay cover, I know what we something to ponder.
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I think it'd be cool.
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I was afraid I was gonna have to watch another
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nine month Connor and Victor.
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Yeah, and we got to you know, keep the movie
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reviews coming and all that other.
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That part is very fun. That often goes longer than
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the especially right now when we can't actually watch the
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older episodes anywhere. So yeah, we're talking about recaps and
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talking about what we what we remember because I watched
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every episode and Tom watched most of them.
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Yes.
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Cool.
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Yes, so let's get another one of those done. We're
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or somebody from the Torch staff. There's so much going
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on this weekend. We're still working that all out. Kelly,
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are you on air Hea committing to an Evolution post
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show live here on YouTube? Hold on, start that answer,
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i'd you muted? What's that?
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Oh you would ask me to do that?
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Uh?
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Live on? Well, then if you can maybe if you're
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not sure yet, we'll we'll we'll say to be determined.
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I think it's likely. Okay, but I have a bad
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habit of forgetting nighttime obligations.
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So I will check your schedule.
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I will. I will check my schedule, and I believe
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I will probably be there.
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I'll have some VIP content for me and just stay tuned.
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People will have notes on it obviously in the YouTube channel.
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If you see it scheduled, join us live after for sure,
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all in with Brandon and maybe Senate. It's made event
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maybe evolution, and we'll have some NXT great American Bash
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coverage one way or the other this weekend. Also, Okay,
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a lot of in house talk here. Let's get to
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talk about SmackDown Wall and NXT and said has made
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event evolution built into it, and let's do that with
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help from our Oh no, it's gonna say go to callers.
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But I promised that we do some of these comments
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on Trish and Tiffany while it's fresh in our mind.
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So I'm going to throw some of these up here
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just to get This was feedback while we were talking
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earlier Kelly, and then some since then. Mark Pisquetti said,
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Trish isn't the goat. The whole promo is a symptom
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that Triple H is team are burning out. Quick comment
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for you, Kelly, do you agree talking about the goat
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has not just in w B, but culturally become a
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little much.
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It's exactly what I was going to say. It is
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just a fallback when somebody is good at something. It's yeah,
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it's too much, and I wish they would just make
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that somebody's nickname and not just throw it on everyone
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when it was time for a legacy star to appear.
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Yes, Derek Hubbard defends a match. He says it's a
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novely match, matches up different generations. Evolution is the right
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show to host a match like this. A post match
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handshake would be good for Tiffany. Now, I don't want
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to say I do believe that this is a cool match.
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I've defended it. I think gifting somebody a title match
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in general is not good and you should earn it.
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And there's a built in downside to just gifting someone
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a title shot. But they both both champions got to
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do it, and I kind of like on an Evolution show,
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it is a novelty event. It is sort of built
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in that it's a bit of a tribute to women
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and how far the women's division and prosing has come.
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It has come a long, long, long way, and I
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think having Tiffany choose Trish for the reasons she did
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works for me. I think it's a solid framing and
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justification for gifting someone a title shot as a one off.
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Don't do this unless you do evolution. I think you
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should earn title shots. I have some issues of Goldberg,
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for instance. I get it from a business perspective, but structurally,
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if this is real, I don't so.
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So.
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Yeah, I think this is the right right show Kelly.
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Any thoughts on that? Uh?
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Yeah. Similarly, I do think that this is the show
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where you can get away with a little bit of that,
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but it does make the show seem more haphazard than
483
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it already does. This was kind of hastily slapped together,
484
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it seemed, and you could say that. I think you
485
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could really argue that having them choose their opponents and
486
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not have that be determined in the ring or whatever
487
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:41.319
is just proof that this show was really not given.
488
00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:47.359
It was really given the short shrift by the booking team.
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You're muted as soon as someone tells me that I was.
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It flashes on the screen as I'm sure we've all
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experienced as hosts. You get reminded of it with a
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big graphic in your face. Tiffany doesn't have a clue
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it being a babyface mean, says Mark Pischetti. Saddle Vision
494
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three says, for such a big LEGENDRICI she gets very
495
00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:08.319
under roaming crowd responses consistently, which is hot. What do
496
00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:10.319
you think about that? By the way, is it the
497
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:15.079
fan base is younger, She's not as big of a
498
00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:17.640
star as do to be perhaps wisely frames her to be.
499
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I mean, it's fine to do it because she was
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the top of her era, but maybe that era isn't
501
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:26.960
I mean, unless you're fourteen at the time or something.
502
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:30.279
It's not not something people wrote, you know, really romanticize.
503
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.680
Yeah, I think that's probably a large part of it.
504
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:36.200
It was a very small division. I mean, she was
505
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always on top of the division, but then but honestly,
506
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when she was in the division, it normally had about
507
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six people in it at the very most end. Even
508
00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:50.720
shorm matches, yep, short matches, very small division, and you
509
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:54.480
had your main babyface who was every other champion, and
510
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then everybody else like took turns having to be a
511
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challenge or a champion, So it's it wasn't a great
512
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:07.920
time for the division, even though it was an important
513
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step forward to even be getting any time on TV.
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So it doesn't it's not your Yeah, today's women's division
515
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:21.519
is not your father's women's division.
516
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:28.480
Brock Benningfield says Tiffany should definitely be a heel. CJ.
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La Chappelle says, I'm getting feedback, by the way, Kelly
518
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:33.400
from your when I talk. I don't know if you
519
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:35.920
have your headphones on or a speaker. Do you know that?
520
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:39.960
By the way, I have my headphones on, But maybe
521
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:41.759
I just got an input problem here.
522
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:44.680
Yeah, I don't know. I'm just saying, well, now I'm
523
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:47.240
not hearing it, so that's good, Okay, I don't know.
524
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:48.359
Well, okay.
525
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:50.960
CJ says, I love Trish, but you should not be
526
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:53.200
getting a championship match. I kind of addressed that a
527
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:55.240
minute ago, but CJ's comment was one that sparked that
528
00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:58.039
South of Afrisian three said this match is just to
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further legitimize Tiffany, of course. I mean that's well, I
530
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:03.440
mean it's not only for that. I think they think
531
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:05.319
people tune in to see trist rustle Tiffany. I think
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it's a cool match to have, even if the hype
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00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:17.000
is a little scripted and all that. Let's see some
534
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:20.200
comments about the Nashville address. Tonight, trist completed the cowboy
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hat trifecta with her, Charlotte Flair, and Montese Ford. Dougie
536
00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:25.839
Dug said, I don't know why the memo went out
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00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:27.759
that we need Trist stratus, Niki Bella looking like the
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00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:30.440
fellow Kids meme and backwards hat and Goldberg back in
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twenty twenty five. Tonight, Oh already did that. M Chris
540
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:40.079
Johnson said the Trician Tiffany conversation didn't make any sense.
541
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:42.119
They talked past each other, not responding to the points
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being made. We mentioned that earlier. Oh Derek also, Derek
543
00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:48.559
Mitchell said, I'm not a fan of champions choosing their
544
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own opponents, especially when the champions are choosing babyface contenders.
545
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:57.079
Tiffany is unlikable as a babyface. We largely addressed that.
546
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:01.400
Derek says the positive was they kept it short and
547
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:03.839
to the point, and neither woman cut too hard and
548
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:07.599
came across as overly healish. It's not overly helish. But Kelly,
549
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:10.599
do you see a problem across the board, including NXT
550
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:14.480
with too many situations in weim saw with Hayman and Solo,
551
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:17.160
every one of them you can kind of justify, rationalize,
552
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:19.519
but there's a lot of times where people are given
553
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:21.640
that are kind of put in a position to choose
554
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:23.720
between two people they like who are insulting each other,
555
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:27.119
or choose between two people who they don't like, and
556
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:30.799
they end up thinking, well, now I kind of like Cayman,
557
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.480
or now I kind of like Solo going into a
558
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:35.200
show the next day where you're supposed to hate both
559
00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:37.960
of them for separate feuds that they're having. Andy the
560
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.160
Mario and Sonic fan two thousand said, I'm just burned
561
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:42.640
out from all the Babyface versus babyfaceets. They're making me
562
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:46.240
not care who wins, which kills the excitement. Kelly, your
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thoughts on.
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That, Yeah, I think NXT is perhaps more problematic with
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this than Raw and SmackDown are, But that doesn't have
566
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.359
to be a big deal because NXT they can try
567
00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:03.039
a lot of things. It's much much lower stakes doing
568
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:05.319
this on NXT. It is a TV show meant to
569
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get ratings, but it is It's just much lower stakes
570
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:11.960
than Ron' SmackDown, So I think they kind of get
571
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:13.920
away with it a little bit, and they are trying
572
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:17.759
people out in certain roles and seeing how they're responded to.
573
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But I think by and large, wrestling in this and
574
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other companies is doing too much of this and it
575
00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:28.359
doesn't give and it doesn't do the product a lot
576
00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:30.079
of favors when you do so much of it.
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Yeah.
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Another comment from Goodfellow fourteen twenty two, Why went out
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00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:11.359
to be Pivot if they don't see Tiffany thrive to
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embrace what she does well work on her babyface character
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00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.759
behind the scenes. I mean they're just two. I mean
591
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:21.680
you can't. You can't take her off, you can't center
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00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.640
back to NXT. She just needs reps in the ring.
593
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:29.519
You know that. That's where we are. I don't think
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there's much at this point they can do with it.
595
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Mark PISQUTTI since since Tiffany chose Trish, this whole segment
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was tone deaf. I don't think so. Tiffany said, I
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chose you because I need to beat. I need to
598
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add you to the list of people I beat to someday,
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well not someday too. To be considered a to be
600
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considered one of the goats, I mean, not to be
601
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super technical, but greatest of all time doesn't mean you're
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one of. It means the singular best. You can't be
603
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one of something that is est, that is singular. It's
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a little technicality, but I mean, I want to be
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00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:05.319
one of the great I want to be seen as
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one of the greats. And then we can drop the
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whole goat thing, which is overdone. So you accomplish a
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grammatical correctness, which always makes me a little happy. I'm imperfect,
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but you know anyway, you get my point. And so
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I'm trying to come up with with a shaming reason
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for them to stop saying goats. But I think you
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can justify Tiffany choosing Trish in the segment making sense
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00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:32.640
because it addressed that. Let's see just a statement, brock Benyfield,
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women's wresting in the US has changed so much from
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00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:39.920
Trish Regarding regarding Tiffany not getting a big pop Seelevision
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three set, I think other stars from the attitude or
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00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:44.960
get massive pops though. But yeah, Kelly, I think you
618
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:47.000
summarized why that is well, you know, I mean, it
619
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:53.720
just wasn't wasn't the biggest division at that point. All right,
620
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let's up, we got other stuff to cover. Jelly well,
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jelly roll, Logan Paul developments for Saturday Night's made event.
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Regarding that, I think we can see a likely scenario
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for how the Drew mcintarre Randy Orton match will end.
624
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:13.880
Drew got laid out Randy, and now he got Logan Paul,
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00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:16.640
who might get involved in that win a cost. Randy
626
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:19.319
will get into that. But let's go to our first
627
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caller of the night. We got set from Tennessee standing
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00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:27.400
by Sean. Welcome, good to see you, and good about
629
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:28.839
good that we're about to hear from you. What's on
630
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:29.720
your mind about Smackon.
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Well, I will say that, first of all, I was
632
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.920
actually thinking about going tonight because's obviously it's not far
633
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.240
from where I lived. But then it was like, the
634
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more I thought about it, the more I looked at
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the I knew, well, at first I thought Cody might
636
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:44.200
be there, but then I was like, I don't think so,
637
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:46.079
and it turned out he wasn't. So I'm kind of.
638
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:48.200
Glad he and Cina would be there next week. That's
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00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:50.720
a news Yeah, they said that on the tonight show,
640
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:51.799
So that's a little news item.
641
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.200
So but no, Kelly, it's always good to talk to me,
642
00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:56.720
and glad you're on here. Glad you got to do
643
00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:00.240
a post show on SmackDown. But yeah, I guess I
644
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:01.799
want to bring up a different topic. I'll bring up
645
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:04.079
what you said about Jelly Roll, but I want to
646
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:06.200
talk about the tag team division a little bit, because
647
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.320
I do think it's just in a way it's a
648
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:12.480
jumbled mess in certain respects. I think there's a lot
649
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:14.840
of talented tag teams on the roster, There's no doubt
650
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:19.280
about that, especially as we saw tonight. But one thing
651
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.079
that drove me crazy with because you talk about this
652
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:24.480
when during the Tag team title match when Montes early
653
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:27.119
in the match was getting hot or going to get
654
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.199
or Angelo was going to get the hot tag for Montes,
655
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:33.480
and man, did he overseell the crap out of that
656
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:37.000
in such a corny, overblown away. I was like, oh
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00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:39.599
my gosh, this is ridiculous. Man, come on, like be
658
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:42.239
better than that. And then just some of the stuff.
659
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:45.559
But Wyatt six. The only good thing I can say
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about them winning the tag team titles because I was
661
00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:50.360
not a fan of that. Honestly, I was not a fan.
662
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.519
I think they have done no development with them at all.
663
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.119
They're just Oh they're the Whyats six. They're cool, their
664
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:58.960
entrance is cool. It's and now it doesn't do anything
665
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:00.719
for me anymore. It was fun, but now it doesn't
666
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.239
really do anything for me is me watching it personally,
667
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:06.920
And so the only thing I can see good about
668
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:09.800
it is you could build to them against Andrada and
669
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Phoenix and have them win the tag team titles from them.
670
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I just don't see any purpose if you're not going
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to build their characters and bo take the mask off. Dude,
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This Uncle Howdie stuff isn't doing.
673
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It for me.
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What do you think of the tag team title match,
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What do you think about them as winning the titles,
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and where do you think they might be going from here?
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There was a time, Kelly, where a tag team title
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00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.000
change on national television would have been the headline on
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a show like this. I mean, granted, I think Trisha's
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a big deal, and they're promoting a main you know,
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one of the main events or the main event for evolution,
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and the evolutions that come are on very often as
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an all women show, so I feel good about putting
684
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:45.599
that in the A block. But I mean, it doesn't
685
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:51.599
This tag division is just a blob of lots of
686
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teams yelling at each other. And I mean, I think
687
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:57.039
Champa has developed a character as a hothead and Gargano
688
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:02.400
as a smarmy, you know, sort of calming influence, but
689
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:06.280
he's just smarmy. I don't think Saban and Shelley have
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come across great. I mean, everybody's sort of had little things.
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00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:13.679
Some are good, some are not, but it is it
692
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:16.519
does not feel prestigious when they get the treatment that
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frankly the women used to get, which is, oh, we
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00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:20.159
don't have more than one segment for you, so we're
695
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:24.239
gonna be all gathered backstage and yelling Picker. So that's beat. However,
696
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as I wrote in my TV report at pw Torch
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00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:30.840
dot com on SmackDown, I think it's good if you
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00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:33.400
have any desire to make the why its seem relevant
699
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:36.239
to send the signal storyline wise and meta wise. We
700
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:38.119
haven't completely given up on them. I mean they've been
701
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creatively abandoned. There's no character development for how they relate
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00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:43.360
to each other or any layers to who they are
703
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:47.679
after a little bit of that early, but giving them
704
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:49.559
a tag title win Kelly does sort of send a
705
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:52.239
message don't give up on him yet. But it is
706
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:54.199
the SmackDown Tag Division, no nomember how much they talk
707
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:55.960
about how great it is, it does feel like it's
708
00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:59.280
a bunch of people hanging out backstage yelling at each other. Kelly,
709
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:01.079
your thoughts on the top change in my framing of it.
710
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:04.559
Yeah, And it also seems that in order to be
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the champion at some point, all you really need is
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picture I D You're just you are at some point
713
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:14.400
going to be tapped to hold those championships. They've potatoed
714
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:17.320
them a lot, and the division is big enough that
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00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:21.639
they don't necessarily have to the street Profits just got
716
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:25.719
done with a four month rain and that felt really
717
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:29.639
really long, just because they had not been doing stuff
718
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:32.159
any longer than that. So I would like to see
719
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:34.800
a little more stability. I get that they're just treating
720
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:39.960
it as the division where anything can happen. I get
721
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:44.519
that part of it, but I yes, the issue you're
722
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:47.519
talking about with only having one segment there for them
723
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:50.599
is really a problem and you kind of have to have.
724
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.199
Like di wy are supposed to be really despicable, but
725
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:59.079
they're just standing there yelling and not attacking anybody just
726
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:01.639
because they've everybody's got to get their time in, everybody's
727
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:07.440
got to get their lines in. It is, yes, very
728
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.519
similar to what the women's division was some years ago.
729
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:16.800
So as far as the Wyatts winning the championships, I
730
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:23.039
like it in theory, but we didn't really build to this,
731
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:28.719
so I guess that the I guess more time needed
732
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:30.960
to see what I think about this. For whatever reason,
733
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:32.679
I thought it was going to happen. I just as
734
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:36.239
the match went on and as certain spots didn't finish
735
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:39.840
for the Street Profits, I thought, oh my gosh, they're
736
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:44.480
actually pulling the trigger on this. So I don't know
737
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:48.039
whether to assume they've got a plan or they just thought, Okay,
738
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:50.800
let's just do it and then let's work backwards from
739
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:53.159
there and see what this rain is going to be about.
740
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:57.800
The Wyatts over I'm back to the feedback the why
741
00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:03.719
ITT's overall. Kelly, Dexter Loomis and Joe Ac familiar names
742
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:07.519
to longtime followers of NXT. Are they the right to
743
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:10.159
to have this? Does it make sense? I would have thought,
744
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:13.920
you know, Bo Dallas, Uncle Laudie and Eric Grohan would
745
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.280
have been more of an a team to do it.
746
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:19.159
Are they saving them for singles push or or? And
747
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:21.079
have they done enough with Dexter and Joe to not
748
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:24.159
have this feel like even though yes the Wyat's six one,
749
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:28.159
it's the two sidekicks or background players who are less
750
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:31.360
developed or less known, and it to me it's in
751
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:33.039
a way it yes, it gives a little bit of
752
00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:35.199
a boost to the Wyat's Six winning the tag titles,
753
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.000
but I think because of the two members who want it,
754
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:39.960
with such a lack of character development and stand out
755
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.599
performances in the ring, that it makes it feel like
756
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:46.199
a prelim title, which also, by the way, pulls the
757
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:48.039
street profits down, not up.
758
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:55.719
They think that, Okay, where were sorry. I looked at
759
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:57.159
one of the comments and that.
760
00:39:57.800 --> 00:39:58.400
Don't do that.
761
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:02.079
Don't do that. No, not to know that.
762
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:03.599
You are the host. You are the hosts too asked
763
00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:05.920
questions and you know how bad it is. I know,
764
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:07.639
look at you.
765
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:12.039
Okay. So as far as which guys want it, this
766
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:17.159
is the team down to to be Yes, this is
767
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:19.239
the team that I expected it to be when they
768
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:23.159
said the Wyatt six were challenging, just because this seems
769
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:28.159
to be the tag team within the Wyatts. But you're
770
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:31.000
right that it doesn't seem like the biggest names they
771
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:33.559
could have gone. I guess they wanted the visual of
772
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:38.880
Rowan standing there outside, and they wanted the visual of
773
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:42.280
of Bo sitting in the in the chair with with
774
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:47.880
Nikki in front. And I think that they probably know
775
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:50.599
that there's probably never going to be a time for
776
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:56.079
singles championships for for Eric or Bo. But maybe they
777
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.280
just think, let's keep that bullet in the chamber in
778
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:02.119
case that's what we want to do. But all that said,
779
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:06.360
they know that Joe and Dexter aren't the stars of
780
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:09.519
the division, because they didn't say Joe Gacy and Dexter
781
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:13.400
Loomis challenge for the titles. They kept just promoting that
782
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:17.119
the Wyatt Six were challenging for the titles, and we
783
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:19.679
didn't know who it was going to be until that
784
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.119
match happened. So if they had more trust that these
785
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:25.199
were names big enough to actually do it, they would
786
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:30.599
have promoted that all the way. As far as the
787
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:35.320
Street profits losing something here, yes, probably, but they're pretty
788
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.960
good on the stick and a lot of fun backstage,
789
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:41.000
so I think they can talk themselves back into relevance
790
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:46.719
relatively easily, so they can save that. But it wasn't
791
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:51.719
booked very friendly for them, Sean.
792
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:53.639
Packed you, That's what I'm saying.
793
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:56.400
I just feel like every team is running in circles.
794
00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:58.880
There's no real development with any of them. And that's
795
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:02.519
why I would love to do something now with you
796
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.199
when you have Andrada and Ray Phoenix, but there's something
797
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.639
there between them, like they have good chemistry and the
798
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:11.280
ring together, like they have that background, not the background,
799
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:13.440
but the way their characters seem like they fit off
800
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:15.280
each other. It seems like it works well. I think
801
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:18.159
you could actually tell a story, because they're not telling
802
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:21.159
stories with the Whyats Six. They abandon it quick and
803
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:23.079
now they're just trying to push it out of nowhere,
804
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:25.599
and the Street Profits have been running around in circles
805
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:27.920
for two years. I feel like they've gone nowhere for
806
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:33.199
two years. There's you know, Montees has a charisma about him,
807
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:35.039
but we're not seeing much of it other than just
808
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.840
the stuff in the ring he does. And Angelo just
809
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:39.800
I mean, he's okay for I mean, he's not bad,
810
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:42.440
but he's not like jumping off the screen at me.
811
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:44.639
So I don't know where they're going, but I hope
812
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:46.960
they just have If you're gonna do some stuff with
813
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.599
the tag teams, have a plan and try to go
814
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:50.320
with that plan.
815
00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:53.920
I would rather have the three Profits feuding with one
816
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:57.480
team the h Cup promos each week that other team
817
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:01.039
is built up as credible, and even if that means
818
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:03.480
keeping some wrestlers some other take teams off air for
819
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:06.519
a while, I'm fine with that. I'm not against and
820
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:09.480
I don't think it'll devastate them their audience if they
821
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:12.639
occasionally throw in a take team contender's match too on two,
822
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.079
and they don't just save it for a cheap gauntlet
823
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:18.400
match or Battle Royal or multi team you know, three
824
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:22.559
or four team match just treat the division like a
825
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:26.199
normal structured division. Hey, the machine guns have a hot streak,
826
00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:28.199
they've won a lot of matches or whoever, and but
827
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:29.480
they don't have to be on TV every week. Just
828
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:31.960
because you're paying them doesn't mean you have to ruin
829
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.000
them by wedging them onto TV every week in a
830
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:37.119
segment that undercuts their credibility, leave people wanting more, and
831
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:38.840
don't put them in a position to kind of embarrass
832
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:41.719
themselves or look prelim pick a team, build them up
833
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:44.639
and have it feel epic. I mean, you don't need
834
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:47.039
depth in the tag team division in terms of teams
835
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:48.800
on TV every single week for it to feel like
836
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:51.039
a big deal. The Votecks and Freebird's rarely fewed with
837
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:52.920
anyone else. They going to express them that express rarely
838
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:55.280
few with anyone else. The Glory days in the mid
839
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.119
eighties WWF tag teams, yes they had you know, probably
840
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:00.559
five to six really credible teams, but they with each
841
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:03.199
other for a length of time. And same thing with
842
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:07.239
the Edgin, Christian Dudley's and Harty's era. Other teams were
843
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:12.199
built up and visited the top ranks. But anyway, I
844
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:16.400
don't want to give up on your major tag team
845
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:19.360
champions feeling like a big deal. The profits feel like
846
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:21.480
they should always be a big deal, even if their
847
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:24.480
characters have been a bit of a mucky mess going
848
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:27.760
different directions the last couple of years, but especially the
849
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:29.800
why it's six if you're gonna put the time that
850
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:32.480
they have into them even though it's stopped and restarted,
851
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:37.320
Let's talk about why Dexter and jac Why Dexter and
852
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:40.519
and Gaysey are threats? We know what is it about
853
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:43.559
them that makes prime must so that when they win
854
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:45.159
the titles we think no one will ever take them
855
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:48.280
from them again because they're so good and there's no
856
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:52.159
nothing has been done to create that impression.
857
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:53.280
And are they are they?
858
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:54.480
Are they faces or healed?
859
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:55.159
I don't even know.
860
00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:56.880
I don't even know what they're knowing for.
861
00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:58.800
That's what's so mucky about this division.
862
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:01.079
It's like everybody like, we're good, I'm bad, We're in
863
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:03.800
the middle. Where are we? I thought I knew and
864
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:07.639
then Rowan got involved in the match, and now I
865
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:09.559
don't yeh yep.
866
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:12.159
Mark Piskeutti in the chat says a substance in Triple
867
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:14.199
Ah's booking has dropped across most of the card on
868
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:17.039
both brands. The Tag division has no essence right now,
869
00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:22.199
and let's see Derek Mitchell says the Tag Team Is
870
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:24.880
division is definitely prelium only depending the tag titles on
871
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:27.280
SmackDown before pol I'm sure others have no set pattern
872
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:31.239
with the Tag division and sealle visions re says, I
873
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:36.320
assume their heels now. So anyway, thanks for downloading today's show.
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Pw torch dot com slash go VIIP. All right, John,
886
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.000
let's move to another topic. If you want or.
887
00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:20.719
Yeah, so go into the earlier the fatal four way
888
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:23.960
women's match leading into the tag match at Evolution. I
889
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:26.480
one thing I've said before and I'll kind of repeat it.
890
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:29.079
I really wish I know they why they did it
891
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:32.559
and it made sense, but I want so Ruka, if
892
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:35.119
she's going to be on the main roster, wait till
893
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:37.119
she's ready to be on the main roster. Stop putting
894
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:39.599
them on TV when yes, they're like, oh, we want
895
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:41.320
to get a glimpse of them, but wait till they're
896
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:44.079
it's time to move on and they go to the
897
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:46.880
main roster. Don't just have them there for one time
898
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:48.840
and then take them away. And I just don't like
899
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:50.320
when they do that. I wish they would stop that.
900
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:53.679
But the match was Kyrie. I feel like she's been
901
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:56.079
a mess in the ring since coming back. Is there
902
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:59.480
something that maybe she's still not one hundred percent or
903
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:01.840
I don't know what's going on there. But the main
904
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:03.960
question I was going to was election and Charlotte. I
905
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:07.480
don't I want to like it, but I don't know
906
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:09.760
where they're going with it. Can you guys help me
907
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:12.440
think of where they could be going? It just feels
908
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:16.480
so weird because again, Charlotte is just better as a heel.
909
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:19.880
Alexa's we like her, but she's trying to get in
910
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:22.559
with Charlotte. I just don't get the dynamic of where
911
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:23.519
they're going with it.
912
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:26.840
So actually I want to cover everything you covered, Sean,
913
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.000
multiple things there. One I brought up with Todd Martin
914
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:32.199
on The Fix yesterday, the Kyrie saying a lot of
915
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:36.320
people saying she's been sloppy in the ring. She hasn't
916
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:39.719
gotten a lot of reps. I haven't noticed it as
917
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.599
much as others, but others are bringing enough attention to
918
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:47.079
it that I'm it must be happening more than even
919
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:49.239
I'm noticing. I mean, it feels like there's in you
920
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:52.280
are noticing at Sean Kelly, what do you think about
921
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:54.599
what you saw tonight with her? And what do you
922
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:58.440
think about you know, we talk about reps being helpful
923
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:01.880
in there aren't house shows, you know, and I know
924
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:03.440
I tell some people in dob to be and they're like, well,
925
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:05.320
we do our performance center shows where wrestlers are the
926
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:07.719
audience and we practice. I'm like, that's just not the same.
927
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:11.639
I mean, like try you know, it's just nothing that's
928
00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:14.760
done that isn't like live without a net is going
929
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:16.719
to give you the same experience. It's better than nothing,
930
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:19.360
and everybody agrees with that. But house shows would be better.
931
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:22.159
But maybe there are something up with Kyrie. I don't know, Kelly,
932
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:22.960
your thoughts on that.
933
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:27.519
You know, it must have been bad because today wasn't
934
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:31.079
great and I still didn't notice today that, Like I
935
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:35.079
wasn't thinking about it being a problem. As far as
936
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:37.559
Oscar and Charlotte, what's going on with that? I think
937
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:39.239
what's going on is they want them both to be
938
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:41.360
on TV and they don't have another excuse to put
939
00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:43.519
them on TV right now. They didn't want to have
940
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:45.440
them in the Battle Royal because they didn't want to
941
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:48.400
have them lose in the Battle Royal, So I guess
942
00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:51.199
they just wanted to do a brief I would think
943
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:56.280
a brief teaming. But they gave the team kind of
944
00:48:56.320 --> 00:49:00.000
an unofficial name. I don't know the marriage of Convenience
945
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:05.199
or the alliance, so Convenience whatever. Said uh, yeah, So
946
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:08.960
Derek Mitchell asked if Oscar was at ringside. She was,
947
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:12.440
She did get she did take a bomb late in
948
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:19.159
the match, and yeah, and I noticed multiple missteps on
949
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:22.679
the part of production. Just cameras not being where they
950
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:26.800
were supposed to a near fall being missed, where the
951
00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:30.039
the announcers were really talking about, uh, like, can you
952
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:32.079
believe he kicked out of that? And I'm like, I
953
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:34.519
didn't even know that he was in a pinning predicament.
954
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:39.880
That was a dag match, But yeah, on on the
955
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:42.800
and then on Soul, Ruka, sorry I'm covering.
956
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:44.159
No that that was good. That was the next thing
957
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:46.880
I wanted to bring up. That so good.
958
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:50.400
She certainly has a lot going for her. She does
959
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:55.159
definitely make some bizarre mental mistakes. I will say that
960
00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:59.320
it was one of the most face palming moments that
961
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:03.360
I've had a year watching n XT when Zaria was
962
00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:07.639
in a match wrestling and I think Zari and Lash
963
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:11.639
legend and a this is awesome chance happened, and Soul
964
00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:15.440
just started chanting this is awesome with the crowd, and
965
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:20.400
It's like, it is, but you're supposed to want Zaria
966
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:22.880
to win this match, That's what you're supposed to be
967
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:26.519
cheering for, and she just started cheering the work along
968
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:30.079
with the crowd, and then it happened a couple weeks later,
969
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:33.239
and I'm just I really hope somebody got in her
970
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:36.559
face about that. So I think Soul can be big
971
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:39.719
if she if she gets out of her own way.
972
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:42.559
Oh thank you, I'm.
973
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:46.360
Glad, and Mario yeah for a podcast audience, Andy and
974
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:48.280
Mario A Sonica in two thousand says that made me
975
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:52.480
cringe so hard, Kelly, to the point, there's pro and
976
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:56.320
con to having NXT wrestlers appear on ron SmackDown before
977
00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:58.719
their call up, and it can take away. I think
978
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:02.920
in general you should aim to you should try to
979
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:06.159
avoid it at all costs, at almost all costs. But
980
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:10.639
if you're promoting a show where there's multiple NXT wrestlers
981
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:12.880
on with ron SMACKTWN wrestlers, they kind of have to.
982
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:15.280
They don't have to. You could just put the graphic
983
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:16.519
on the screen and not show them. But I mean
984
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:18.880
they are now part of the larger main roster universe
985
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:21.559
when they're all intermixing like this on evolutions. So there
986
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:25.320
are exceptions, But do you think historically with callups, Kelly,
987
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:28.440
that there are examples of wrestlers who would have had
988
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.159
more of an impact when they got called up to
989
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:33.679
rur SmackDown if they had never appeared on ron SmackDown before.
990
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:37.800
So that part of it isn't just how they debut
991
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:40.719
if they've appeared on RARHS SmackDown before, but when they
992
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:44.039
appeared to RON SmackDown before, it kind of should handcuff
993
00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:47.880
how you introduce them because in theory, the Ron SmackDown audience,
994
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:50.800
which is bigger than NXTS, has seen them in a
995
00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:55.920
certain context and it takes away You can do whatever
996
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.840
you want, but I mean, like there's a preset expectation
997
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:01.599
of who they are in that new uniform the ronsmacked
998
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:04.360
own universe. If they appear prior now we had is
999
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:06.280
King can become Kane. I mean, I'm not saying you
1000
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:07.639
have to abide by it. I mean there's so many
1001
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:10.159
examples of wrestlers who have switched over time. Bo Dallas
1002
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:11.719
is totally different though it's a little bit of an
1003
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:14.719
internal canon story for that. But yeah, let me just
1004
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:16.599
round it to my original question of Kelly. Are there
1005
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:19.079
examples of wrestlers who you think were hurt because they
1006
00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:22.639
were not Their debut wasn't saved for when they're actually
1007
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:23.119
called up.
1008
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:28.840
There are certain characters, especially even more than workers, that
1009
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:33.039
need mystique. I would say, don't ever put Oba Femi
1010
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:36.079
on the main roster until you absolutely want to leave
1011
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:39.239
him there and don't rush him there. Do it when
1012
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:41.239
he's figured in, do it when you can move him
1013
00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:44.920
up to either the main event or close to it.
1014
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:48.639
And he's just one name that I would say would
1015
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:52.119
be like that. Gosh, I'm sure I will think of
1016
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:55.719
a lot of names when it isn't time to be
1017
00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:56.920
thinking about them yet.
1018
00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:00.159
But I understand that, I really, But.
1019
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:04.480
Yeah, I just think that certainly what they did with
1020
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:08.159
Carrying Cross, bring him him on as a dufus who
1021
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:10.920
lost to Jeff Hardy when he was undefeated on NXT
1022
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:14.519
was not the time to do that. And like, I'm
1023
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:16.800
not going to die on the hill of carrying Cross
1024
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:19.400
because he's just carrying Cross. But they were doing what
1025
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:23.119
they did with him, and it was not and it
1026
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:26.840
was not great. Yeah, that was that was somebody who
1027
00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:29.760
could have benefited from just not being on at all,
1028
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:34.639
at least until that was until that story was done.
1029
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:37.079
And I get why they do it. I totally get
1030
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:40.800
that it's probably a benefit to these young talents to
1031
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:43.480
be in front of that big crowd and to understand
1032
00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:48.519
the differences in production and the differences in national crowd response,
1033
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:52.400
because it can be very, very tempting to believe in
1034
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:56.239
your in your Orlando bubble that the way that this
1035
00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:59.920
crowd that's the same people every week responds to you
1036
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:03.000
is the way they're going to respond to you. But
1037
00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:07.559
you might be over in Orlando and just be over
1038
00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:11.239
in Orlando. So so yeah, I would have said, don't
1039
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:13.519
put Trick Williams on before it was time to call
1040
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:16.599
him up. They did, but at least they didn't overexpose him.
1041
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:18.280
It was just just an appearance.
1042
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:22.199
Yeah, I think standing at Ringside as essentially a celebrity
1043
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:25.440
of sorts, like Hey, it's you know, like the Maga
1044
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:28.320
f c appearances tonight by three of the fighters from
1045
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:35.599
Maga YOC. They you know, they have their the vibe
1046
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:37.480
that gives off as these are celebrities they show people
1047
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:39.440
or a Netflix series. So when you show an NXT
1048
00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:42.920
wrestler at ringside, I kind of I'm okay with that.
1049
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:47.000
It used to be in reverse, where in the Takeover
1050
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:49.239
or Kelly they would show someone in the takeover crowd
1051
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:51.960
who was a new acquisition to build them up as
1052
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:53.519
coming and I think that's kind of part of the
1053
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:56.559
spirit of what they're doing now. It can work, but
1054
00:54:56.599 --> 00:54:59.719
it should be them in a flattering light in the
1055
00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:01.559
person that they're going to have when they get called up.
1056
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:07.599
Yes, and in that moment, having them just at ringside,
1057
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:10.760
it's a tease for what you're going to get. It's
1058
00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:13.519
we don't get the vignettes that we used to in
1059
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:16.960
the Golden ajor or whatever you want to call those
1060
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:21.800
late eighties early nineties moments where that was what they
1061
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:24.079
that was how they hyped somebody up. And there's no
1062
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:28.840
mistake because Internet means that you know who these guys are.
1063
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:33.639
But I think that that kind of is enough to
1064
00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:36.920
whet the appetites of the people who don't live their
1065
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:38.800
lives talking wrestling online.
1066
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:42.559
And the thing is, there's nothing wrong with being cognizant
1067
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:45.159
to the fact that a giant part of your audience
1068
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:48.599
is on social media, But a giant part of your
1069
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:51.920
audience or in social media are not absorbing and hitting
1070
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:55.719
refresh and reading everything. They have pockets of information or
1071
00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:58.440
things they follow. Everybody's feet is different. Everything is curated
1072
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:01.679
and you know, I mean it recommended to you based
1073
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:04.920
on your past whatever. So the assumption that everyone on
1074
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:06.960
social media lives in the same universe can get you
1075
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:10.199
in trouble. But number two a lot of people aren't
1076
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:12.000
on social media. A lot of people are, but they're
1077
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:16.039
not following wrestling stuff intensely. So if you want to
1078
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:18.840
limit yourself to only the audience around social media, then
1079
00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:21.679
cater to them. But if you want to grow beyond that,
1080
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:26.960
cater to everybody, and that means assume no knowledge when
1081
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:30.800
you are introducing people. There's no harm done to people
1082
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:33.360
who know who these people are. SAME's the NXT audience, like,
1083
00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:35.199
don't assume Bron's back. I don't know who these people are.
1084
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:38.239
Give the full restart of character development to somebody when
1085
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:42.000
you call them up. The main question Sean had is
1086
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:43.639
is what's going on with Charlotte and Alexa?
1087
00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:43.880
Right?
1088
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:48.199
Sean, Yeah, yeah, So I like this. Todd Martin didn't
1089
00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:50.000
keep on the fix he mentioned didn't like it. I'm
1090
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:54.280
curious about you, Kelly. I think Charlotte is being perhaps
1091
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:56.199
put in a position to be turned baby face. That
1092
00:56:56.199 --> 00:56:59.960
that player's Tribune article was touching and revealing and human
1093
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:02.960
her in a way that her robotic scripted promos did not,
1094
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:05.559
And I think they're trying to soften her up and
1095
00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:07.679
maybe put her in a position for her own mental
1096
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:10.400
health to not be booed and heckled when she's standing
1097
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:13.440
in the ring for promos and people love Alexa Bliss.
1098
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:16.800
She's fostered almost the complete opposite of type of social
1099
00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:19.360
media action that Charlotte has. And if Alexa can kind
1100
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:23.960
of pull her into her realm and shake Charlotte out
1101
00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:30.079
of being a humorless robot who acts entitled and feels
1102
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:32.840
like she has to act a certain way where it
1103
00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:37.480
just looks like her sucks are way too tight, that
1104
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:43.079
can actually lead to Charlotte becoming likable, not through manipulation,
1105
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:48.079
but actually realistically causing her two ex hal a little
1106
00:57:48.079 --> 00:57:51.920
bit and relax because she has someone in Alexa who's
1107
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:54.119
kind of helping her break out of this very robotic,
1108
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:57.079
you know, scripted environment. And so to me, this is
1109
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:02.159
almost like on air therapy for for her. I think
1110
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:04.639
Ashley is starting to show up in the Charlotte character
1111
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:06.800
in a way that could lead to her being liked. No,
1112
00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:09.320
this could be a stupid swerve where she turns on
1113
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:12.320
Alexa and they feud. When I say stupid, maybe it'll work,
1114
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:14.559
But I mean, to me, I just think watching Charlotte
1115
00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:17.119
struggle as a heel, she's going you know, she's got
1116
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:18.880
a little cocky streak. Oh you know, she had a
1117
00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:20.800
little quip at Alexa. But she does seem to be
1118
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:23.280
actually having fun on air for the first time in
1119
00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:26.000
a very long time, instead of thinking she has to
1120
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:29.599
fit within a certain mold of her dad or being
1121
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:32.960
royalty and being the Queen. Kelly, your thoughts.
1122
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.119
I thought that this was headed the same way because
1123
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:40.320
they're an odd couple, but they didn't come off as
1124
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:43.320
an odd couple that is truly a face and a heel.
1125
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:48.039
It really just seemed like different different types of babyfaces
1126
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:51.400
in the scene. If I had stepped into this episode
1127
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:53.639
today with no knowledge of where it had been before,
1128
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:57.760
I would assume they were just babyfaces who really didn't
1129
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:03.039
team together before, are didn't team together recently. So I
1130
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:06.000
will co sign that just based on what I think
1131
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:08.599
I would have thought if I hadn't I hadn't been
1132
00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:12.840
watching the product. But I do worry that it's going
1133
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:14.639
to be a swerve and then we will get the
1134
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:20.760
same type of oh God, they can't be doing that. No,
1135
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:24.400
you put it into my head like the fear of
1136
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:27.519
the swerve here, But I just don't think that would
1137
00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:30.159
be strong enough. I think this story only works if
1138
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:34.920
they are if she is turning face and whether that is,
1139
00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:38.079
which means they should probably win the tag team championships,
1140
00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:43.239
so they can kind of have a sure sure, But
1141
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:49.480
in order to continue that story, it seems like that
1142
00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:52.679
marriage of convenience will have to be continue to be
1143
00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:55.239
convenient because they are the champions.
1144
00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:57.400
Salar Vision three. So Charlotte legit feels like she's getting
1145
00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:03.280
worked into shoots, Ashley legitimately can't handle getting booed. Kyle
1146
01:00:03.320 --> 01:00:04.760
Fassel said, I don't get the whole thing about her,
1147
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:06.400
saying it felt like the fans were doing Ashley. It
1148
01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:09.519
seems so odd to me. Brock Benningfield says I might
1149
01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:11.320
be at the point of no return on liking Charlotte,
1150
01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:14.840
but I could be persuaded. Derek Mitchell said the Charlotte
1151
01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:17.920
article was enlightening and made me come around to her,
1152
01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:21.840
and Ryan Solarios says Charlotte felt like an actual person tonight,
1153
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:25.159
and that's my argument. I think that the Alexa thing
1154
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:30.159
seems to almost be It's like this hasn't come across patriotizing,
1155
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:33.519
but like sometimes you put the disruptive kid in the
1156
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:38.079
classroom and pair them up with the responsible kid and
1157
01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:40.599
you like to sort of like pull him out of
1158
01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:43.199
the zone of doing the wrong things to get attention,
1159
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:46.039
and to me, like Alexa just seems I mean, she
1160
01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:48.239
spent through a lot, but she seems on air to
1161
01:00:48.280 --> 01:00:50.840
have this confidence and a fan following, and so pairing
1162
01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:53.719
them up with a reference to history to NXT puts
1163
01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:55.760
Charlotte kind of it shakes her out of one zone
1164
01:00:55.800 --> 01:01:00.320
and puts her into another state where she can maybe
1165
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:03.920
get some positive feedback that can then be built upon
1166
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:08.159
so that people are less likely to heckle her because
1167
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:10.840
of her You know, I don't want to say thin skin.
1168
01:01:11.119 --> 01:01:14.239
I'd rather say sensitivity to criticism. And I also think
1169
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:16.239
it would help if Charlotte just didn't look at social
1170
01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:17.800
media and told no one to tell her about anything
1171
01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:19.920
going on in social media for six months, because there's
1172
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:22.119
no requirement. As human beings, you have to go somewhere
1173
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:25.440
that's toxic and makes you sad, and you don't need to.
1174
01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:27.599
It's uncontrollable, so if you think you can control it,
1175
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:30.719
you can't. And there's just absolutely zero reason if it
1176
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:33.639
bothers her to look at it. I mean, she can
1177
01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:35.400
ask a trusted friend to give her a summary once
1178
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:37.840
every two weeks for three minutes and she can look
1179
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:39.559
forward to that moment. But other way I stay off
1180
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:42.559
of it, like literally, read a great book, watch a
1181
01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:46.360
great movie, like go volunteer for something, make yourself feel
1182
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:49.159
good about something otherwise and that stuff won't matter. And
1183
01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:51.320
I don't want to say I can psychoanalyze her, but
1184
01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:54.719
she opened herself up in that article, and it seems like, honestly,
1185
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:58.960
this ALEXA thing might actually like be a journey that
1186
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:00.719
fans can look at you all it a different way
1187
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:03.239
on it. I think that'd be good for everybody.
1188
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Sean, we've said a lot there.
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What do you.
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01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:00.599
Think, Well, yeah, I want to say my piece on
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01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:01.800
it because I have a lot of thoughts on it.
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01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:05.840
My whole thing is, Okay, when Charlotte came back, she
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01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:09.440
had been gone for a long time. Okay, ww's it
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01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:12.400
was their fault initially by putting the vignette on there
1210
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:16.320
to where she's above it all, she's better than everybody else,
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01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:18.960
so called she's working, you know, they said she's working
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01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:20.800
hard to get back and all this stuff, but they
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01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:24.199
made her feel like she's bigger and had that arrogant
1214
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:28.320
attitude and so yes, when she came back, they saw
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01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:32.199
right the fans saw right through it. I think Charlotte, Yes,
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01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:34.920
I think she's a really cool, good person in real life.
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01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:37.440
I don't think anybody's debating that point. I don't think
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01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:38.679
anybody can argue.
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01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:41.400
That criticizing her are ruining her life. But because she
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01:03:41.719 --> 01:03:43.960
apparently is sensitive to it and can't just step away
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01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:44.320
from it.
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01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:46.960
Well, but then when you get her on TV, she's
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01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:49.679
better as a heel. She just works better that.
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01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:54.719
Way, Charlotte you've seen. But my argument is that the Alexa,
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01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:58.760
what Alexa's doing is softening Charlotte's veneer into somebody who,
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01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:02.039
by definition won't cssarily be a better heel. She might
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01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:04.559
be a good face. I'm I'm open to that, and
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01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:07.800
you know, I think we're I mean, doctor Doom said
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01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:10.360
Charlotte appeared to be so much less robotic tonight. It
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01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:15.000
was solid, it was okay. Kyle Fassel says, I feel
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01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:18.000
more positive about alexas Charlotte stuff tonight. I'm I'm just
1232
01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:21.199
saying I don't want to I could be quote proven
1233
01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:23.599
wrong to have given this a chance, but I think
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01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:25.519
it's fair to give it a chance because I think
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01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:29.800
I think the default, easy position to take is nice
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01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:33.800
try this is going to be a swerve. Charlotte is Charlotte,
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01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:37.239
and she's beyond repair. And I'm I'm I'm just not
1238
01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:40.280
taking that position here. And I think they've taken us
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01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:41.880
on a journey that I've found for the last month
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01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:42.800
plus to be compelling.
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01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:46.400
Yeah, I just don't think we should force fans to
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01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:49.519
want to cheer her. I think they're trying to force it.
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01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:51.800
I think Sean, you're right, they you're right, they should
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01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:54.280
not force people to But I would argue they're doing
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01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:57.840
the exact opposite here. They're showing you a softer side
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01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:00.079
of her, a one week at a time, through a
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01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:03.280
long term plan. Let's reward them and praise them for
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01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:06.119
starting at the position everybody was at with Charlotte, which
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01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:08.320
we don't see them team and Charlotte's one team with Alex.
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01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:10.280
And then they go, we don't want to be friends,
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01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:11.920
and fans are like, good because we don't want Alexa
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01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:13.679
to be friends with Charlotte, So but maybe they can
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01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:17.280
use each other. I can accept that. Then the next week,
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01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:19.840
Alex's kind of going, you know, softening her a little bit,
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01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:21.760
but Charlotte still Chlotte were rolling her eyes. We still
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01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:23.800
don't like her. And then they're they're like taking us
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01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:27.480
one step at a time, gradually, and they're actually telling
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01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:30.480
a story that you can't just put Charlotte on TV
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01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:32.360
and go, she's a babyface. But if you tell a
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01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:35.400
story for six weeks and it's just a little step
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01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:38.800
at a time and you actually see Charlotte appear to
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01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:43.079
be different, softening, she actually isn't being framed as likable.
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01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:46.840
She just becomes likable because she has relaxed a little bit.
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I'm just I'm I'm open to it, and I like
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01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:52.360
this effort. Kelly, do you want to chime in on that.
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01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:55.920
I would say, with all the stories that are running
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01:05:55.960 --> 01:06:00.320
in place on this show right now, this actually like
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01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:04.480
the one that is developing from week to week. And uh,
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01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:08.480
and so I'm I'm into it just because there's so
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01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:12.239
much on the show that feels that feels stagnant from
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01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:12.719
week to week.
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Yeah. So that's why I pushback, Sean is, don't you
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01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:17.639
don't have to like her, but at least be open
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01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:20.360
to looking at her differently enough that maybe you won't.
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You will see it as a natural thing for fans
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01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:24.480
to do, is to like her by the time they
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tell this story.
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What's saying, I'm you know, I'm willing. I'm with every story,
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you know, at least this kind of thing. I want
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01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:33.400
to see it play out and see, you know, and then,
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like you said, if Charlotte just ends up turning on
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01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:36.840
HER's like, okay, well why'd you waste all this time
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01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:37.159
just have.
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01:06:37.159 --> 01:06:38.000
Charlotte turn on her?
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01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:40.280
But the next topic I want to go to really quick,
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And I didn't know if you guys would even get
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to this on the show because it seemed kind of small,
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01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:48.000
But I'm actually the archer with Alister Black, match was
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01:06:48.039 --> 01:06:49.559
what it was. I mean, we all kind of had
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01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:52.239
a feeling that might do that might happen. THEMB finish
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01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:56.039
bad finish. But what I like about it is, I
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01:06:56.119 --> 01:06:58.880
really think you could have a lot of the stuff
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01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:01.320
when the head alist Black, even this time when he
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01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:05.000
came back, they still they didn't have him talking in riddles,
1295
01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:06.920
but it still felt like riddles. We still didn't know
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01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:09.400
who he was, what he was about. I think you
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01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:12.639
could have a sports like feud with him and Damien,
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01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:15.199
which they did tonight, starting like have Alistair Black as
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01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:18.039
the pure heel, which obviously we know we turn tonight,
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01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:20.320
which was which was good. He's a better heel. He's
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01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:21.840
got that kind of look to him. He's got a
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01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:24.800
cool look. The stuff with him and Priest, I think
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01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:27.519
is very could be very very good for both guys.
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01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:29.119
I actually really like what they're doing with them. What
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01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:30.719
did you guys think of that whole statement tonight?
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01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:34.920
Well we got an answer, not that it wasn't foreseeable.
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01:07:34.960 --> 01:07:37.000
It was an option, which is Priest is going to
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01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:39.159
be the cool head as he was in Judgment Day
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01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:42.559
eventually and Alisa was going to flip out over something
1310
01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:44.440
and priests would say calm down, and then he turned.
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01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:46.559
I mean that's this was a scenario that was on
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01:07:46.599 --> 01:07:49.360
the list of likely directions. This always going with kind
1313
01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:53.079
of the the whatever the interactions with a baby face truth,
1314
01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:55.719
baby face priests, baby face Black. Now you got truth
1315
01:07:55.800 --> 01:07:58.639
is essentially being buried, even with the win tonight against
1316
01:07:58.639 --> 01:08:00.280
the guy who never lost. It sounds weird to say that,
1317
01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:02.519
but he didn't get his ring entrance. They're calling him
1318
01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:04.679
our truth, not Ron Killings. They're not really into the
1319
01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:06.599
gimmick of him being different. They just see him as
1320
01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:08.760
having stripped away what led to people think he was
1321
01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:12.199
likable and interesting, and they're like, Okay, you wanted this,
1322
01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:14.760
now we're gonna let you have it and it we're
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01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:18.199
gonna show you why it isn't gonna work or wasn't working.
1324
01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:21.760
So he's basically was a pawn in this despite I mean,
1325
01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:24.039
he got a win, so that's their cover story for this,
1326
01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:27.439
but he wasn't featured really tonight. This is all about
1327
01:08:27.439 --> 01:08:29.439
Priest and Black, and it's to turn Priest and or
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01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:32.520
to turn Black and feued him with Priest. I mean
1329
01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:35.720
it's fine. I mean, Black getting booed is a challenge,
1330
01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:39.239
but having him turn on Priest and also kind of
1331
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:42.920
be opposing truth is I think opposing truth, Kelly, was
1332
01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:45.279
a way to prime fans to dislike Black because they
1333
01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:47.920
like truth, even if they're not as excited about this
1334
01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:53.800
version of him. And Priest is a cool, alpha, good
1335
01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:58.399
dude leader babyface who tries to get everyone to calm down,
1336
01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:00.399
and Black didn't. So I don't know. I mean, I
1337
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:02.159
think this is a story where he didn't know for
1338
01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:03.760
sure was going This is one of the possibilities, and
1339
01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:06.279
I think right now it's landed in a good place.
1340
01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:08.439
I felt good about it too, Kelly, how about you.
1341
01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:14.680
Yeah, truth was definitely just upon here. I don't know
1342
01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:19.840
why he wanted to present this version of himself so
1343
01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:24.079
badly right now, because they were going to never really
1344
01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:29.560
push this version of truth at age fifty three. Best
1345
01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:32.760
case scenario for him was to be the character that
1346
01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:37.520
he was, and they gave him a win because that
1347
01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:41.439
justifies the fact that they brought him back. But it
1348
01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:45.239
wasn't about him. So I like where this is going
1349
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:49.800
to bring Black and priest. I was just starting to
1350
01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:52.239
get worried about what they were doing with Black at all,
1351
01:09:52.359 --> 01:09:55.000
even though he hadn't lost any matches. But I think
1352
01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:58.079
that this is going to be This could be a
1353
01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:03.520
mean and loud feud that elevates both guys, kind of
1354
01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:09.199
like a shameless versus Cizarro if you found a feud
1355
01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:13.039
where you wanted to do. If they wanted to do
1356
01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:16.560
a best to seven feud this year, this could be
1357
01:10:16.600 --> 01:10:20.840
the one. I think that this could be memorable and
1358
01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:24.039
you could do three or four of the matches, could
1359
01:10:24.119 --> 01:10:27.560
end fairly quickly because both these guys have out of
1360
01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:31.840
nowhere quick offense, sort of little Black mass wins, and
1361
01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:33.600
you can do a lot of different type of matches
1362
01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:35.560
with these two guys. So I think that this will
1363
01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:37.439
benefit both guys greatly.
1364
01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:41.079
Sean, I think followup Brany Neils quick. We want to
1365
01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:42.760
get to the college to No, I want to.
1366
01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:44.319
Get to them. See what they got to say. Appreciate
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01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:46.079
you guys, always fun go VPP everybody.
1368
01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:47.159
But thanks on great topics.
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01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:48.079
Ye see you guys.
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01:10:48.359 --> 01:10:52.000
You bet all right. Let's bring Jasond from Australia next. Jason,
1371
01:10:52.039 --> 01:10:56.880
thanks for calling. What is on your mind? Tonight, I had.
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01:10:56.840 --> 01:10:59.039
Quite a bit White and Kelly, but I just want
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01:10:59.079 --> 01:11:03.119
to stay First of all, I really enjoy your NXT reviews.
1374
01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:06.119
I've only started watching NXT regularly.
1375
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:08.239
I've gone on and off it over the years, but
1376
01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:11.000
over the past several months, since Ricky Saints came in
1377
01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:13.640
and since Corey Graves has been on commentary, I find
1378
01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:16.279
him to I really enjoy Corey Graves as a commentator,
1379
01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:18.279
so I like watching the show when I get the chance,
1380
01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:21.079
and then I enjoy listening to you and Nate reviews,
1381
01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:22.760
so I keep up the good work. I really enjoyed
1382
01:11:22.760 --> 01:11:25.119
the insight and the past references that you guys make,
1383
01:11:25.199 --> 01:11:26.279
so thank you for that.
1384
01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:30.039
I've enjoyed them. Yeah, and I've enjoyed them. Kelliating the
1385
01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:31.840
option where you can just mute everything Booker t he
1386
01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:34.680
says automatically, so you don't have to Oh, yeah.
1387
01:11:35.640 --> 01:11:40.600
Very thtful. Yeah, I myself would mute Vick before I
1388
01:11:40.640 --> 01:11:46.600
would meet Booker, but I do. Yeah, I'm glad it's
1389
01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:48.399
the right amount of snark for you, Jason.
1390
01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:52.800
I understand where you're coming from because I tend to
1391
01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:54.239
just watch it to sort of switch off.
1392
01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:55.960
And I watched it and I enjoyed it, and I've
1393
01:11:56.039 --> 01:11:56.560
enjoyed it more.
1394
01:11:56.600 --> 01:12:00.920
I think it's been less juvenile over the past several months.
1395
01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:03.640
Some of the backstage segments, I like these are ridiculous,
1396
01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:05.039
but over the past.
1397
01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:05.960
I think they've tied it up.
1398
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:08.399
But anyway, in relation to tonight, look, I have a
1399
01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:11.119
fair bit to say about Tiffany and a Lextra and that,
1400
01:12:11.199 --> 01:12:13.560
but I'll let you guys jump into the Jelly Roll
1401
01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:16.720
segment with Logan Paul. I thought this went as well
1402
01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:19.439
as it possibly could. What I really enjoyed about it
1403
01:12:19.479 --> 01:12:22.159
was Logan Paul coming out and accusing Jelly Roll of
1404
01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:25.359
all the things that people accused Logan Paul of, so
1405
01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:27.399
for him to switch that on Jelly Roll, I thought
1406
01:12:27.399 --> 01:12:30.319
he did a great job getting heat. And obviously we're
1407
01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:32.640
heading towards the tag match has SummerSlam. We can see
1408
01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:36.279
this with McIntyre kind of reluctantly teaming up against with
1409
01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:39.399
Logan Paul against Jelly Roll and Randy Orden. I'm assuming
1410
01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:42.720
they're going down that path. I like this option because
1411
01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:46.319
it keeps Drew mcintie firmly as a heel as opposed
1412
01:12:46.359 --> 01:12:49.359
to coming across cool. So I like him teaming with
1413
01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:52.199
a fellow heel. Now, I don't know, maybe people might
1414
01:12:52.279 --> 01:12:54.720
cheer mcintie of Logan. I don't know what's going on there,
1415
01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:57.520
But in any event, I enjoyed this segment. I thought
1416
01:12:57.520 --> 01:12:59.079
it went as well as it could. What did you
1417
01:12:59.079 --> 01:12:59.880
guys think.
1418
01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:03.479
We could have led the post show with this segment?
1419
01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:06.479
I mean, jelly Real's big star Logan obviously super well known.
1420
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:09.039
I thought they played up the you know you're a
1421
01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:11.479
carpet bager, you're a what was it was a phrase
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01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:18.359
as a guest, and they just emphasized a certain term,
1423
01:13:18.439 --> 01:13:25.079
not what was it? Come on, check, No, I'm thinking
1424
01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:28.000
of big words, and they just said something more, more,
1425
01:13:28.119 --> 01:13:32.279
more simple. I'm making more copy. But nevertheless, I'll find
1426
01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:35.000
it in my report here. But I thought it was good.
1427
01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:38.319
I thought jelly Roll was like the opposite of like
1428
01:13:38.439 --> 01:13:40.359
John Stewart, who haven't harped on like a couple years.
1429
01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:43.920
John Stewart was the absolute worst like guest because he
1430
01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:45.680
couldn't just but he does it on his own show.
1431
01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:47.760
Not to It's just like over the top facial expressions
1432
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:50.720
and hamming it up like like every in Jelly Roll
1433
01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:52.880
look like it's like nineteen seventy eight and it's real
1434
01:13:52.920 --> 01:13:56.239
again to him, like it was. That's how everybody acted
1435
01:13:56.279 --> 01:13:58.520
back then. He was pissed. He felt real outsider. Thank you,
1436
01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:02.720
doctor giom outside you're an outsider. I don't know, that's
1437
01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:06.960
super simple thinking. Jelly roll was like it's like he
1438
01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:09.079
thought it was real and Joe tested tour. I think
1439
01:14:09.159 --> 01:14:11.199
Joe has been quote smart enough. I think he thinks
1440
01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:13.439
it's real. Like, I love it. You want that universe
1441
01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:16.920
to be full of people who are just pissed off
1442
01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:19.920
and believably so and aren't looking like they're embarrassed that
1443
01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:21.520
their friends are going to see them taking it seriously,
1444
01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:23.239
which is always what John Stewart came across as and
1445
01:14:23.279 --> 01:14:24.720
a lot of guests hosts. You he was the worst.
1446
01:14:25.239 --> 01:14:29.439
Did I say that? And I think Jelly Rowl was
1447
01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:32.399
really good here and parenthetically good for him for that
1448
01:14:32.399 --> 01:14:35.760
weight loss. That's amazing. Uh that was and I'm glad
1449
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:37.840
they acknowledge it. Randy, you know, congratulated him for it.
1450
01:14:38.319 --> 01:14:44.920
The having Logan Paul like be the person opposite of
1451
01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:46.920
Jelly row And you know this is I thought Logan
1452
01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:48.880
Paul got gun thro'script. Oh this is a sacred ring.
1453
01:14:48.920 --> 01:14:50.800
You don't belong in it. It's like the iron knee.
1454
01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:54.279
Just you could just see like people at home going
1455
01:14:54.319 --> 01:14:55.720
who are you to talk? Who are you to talk?
1456
01:14:56.760 --> 01:15:01.039
So I thought it was like, really well done. Randy
1457
01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:04.159
was red faced. I think a bunstable blood vessel getting
1458
01:15:04.199 --> 01:15:07.520
in Logan's face out there. So yeah, I like this,
1459
01:15:07.600 --> 01:15:09.079
and I think it's a I don't know if it'll
1460
01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:11.960
be a I mean I could be a tag match.
1461
01:15:12.039 --> 01:15:14.920
I mean maybe jelly rolls in enough shape. But I was,
1462
01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:17.479
you know, maybe just someone at ringside too. I don't know, Kelly,
1463
01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:20.600
I hit twenty seven quick points there, what do you think?
1464
01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:23.720
I actually thought this was what you were going to
1465
01:15:24.079 --> 01:15:27.119
open the show with, just because this was pretty good.
1466
01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:34.279
When jelly Roll was announced and they had him out
1467
01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:37.760
to do a song, I was like, okay, cool, I
1468
01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:42.000
had one errand to run out of the house. This
1469
01:15:42.079 --> 01:15:45.199
is where I can just flip it on my phone
1470
01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:48.159
and listen to it while I go to do this
1471
01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:52.079
to do this thing, and then lo and behold, I
1472
01:15:52.079 --> 01:15:53.840
get to where I'm going and I'm sitting in my
1473
01:15:53.920 --> 01:15:56.600
car watching it because I was like, Big would drop
1474
01:15:56.640 --> 01:15:59.319
a good segment on here. I just thought that this
1475
01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:03.560
was yeah to to say what Jason said, it was
1476
01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:06.760
I think the best case scenario considering all the pieces
1477
01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:12.760
on paper. Yeah, this was just an odd assemblage of
1478
01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:17.920
dudes that you could not expect being in the in
1479
01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:22.239
the same segment, and and the Logan Paul stuff. It
1480
01:16:22.319 --> 01:16:26.880
was almost too obvious with him cutting down influencers and
1481
01:16:26.640 --> 01:16:29.800
UH and outsiders. But I think I think they got
1482
01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:32.479
away with it. And and Orton came out and he
1483
01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:37.159
over explained the joke. But this impressed like they do
1484
01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:42.000
over explain their jokes every time they have them. So
1485
01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:44.439
so yeah, I thought that this went off really well.
1486
01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:47.000
And if if you're going to sign Logan Paul to
1487
01:16:47.039 --> 01:16:50.000
a long term contract, this is the kind of story
1488
01:16:50.039 --> 01:16:52.039
that this is what he's for. I mean, this is
1489
01:16:52.079 --> 01:16:55.039
what you signed him for. He doesn't have to be
1490
01:16:55.199 --> 01:17:00.359
in championship angles. Sure, give him a secondary championship every
1491
01:17:00.359 --> 01:17:03.359
now and then. They did that, but but yeah, I
1492
01:17:03.399 --> 01:17:06.880
think that this is the kind of I don't know
1493
01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:09.119
about gatekeeper, but this is the kind of role that
1494
01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:11.920
you can put him in and he can really shine in.
1495
01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:18.079
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dot com. Yeah, Jellyrol did great, Logan Paul did great,
1508
01:17:57.439 --> 01:18:00.479
Randy was good, Drew is Drew. He's always really love Drew, like,
1509
01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:03.560
you know, just leaving the ring smiling like acting like
1510
01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:06.840
I'm not going to do anything. So yeah, I thought everybody,
1511
01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:09.319
uh played their part well.
1512
01:18:09.319 --> 01:18:09.479
Here.
1513
01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:14.600
I'm curious if more if the equipment damage caused by
1514
01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:16.600
Logan Paul was more than the value of the Young
1515
01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:19.319
Bucks limousine on Wednesday, because that's you know, miss equipment's
1516
01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:20.680
not cheap. That could have been a nice drum set
1517
01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:23.800
of clastic guitar. Who know, it's probably not, but yeah,
1518
01:18:23.800 --> 01:18:26.520
that was their their version of it, and it worked well.
1519
01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:28.039
Being in Nashville, you know, I mean, like, you know,
1520
01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:30.159
Randy can go. Who are you to say he's an outsider,
1521
01:18:30.199 --> 01:18:34.159
this is his hometown. You're the you're the ultimate outsider,
1522
01:18:34.199 --> 01:18:35.640
carpet bagger, interloper or whatever.
1523
01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:36.239
Uh.
1524
01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:38.640
Jason, back to you, did we cover what you wanted
1525
01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:40.239
or do you want to change topics or respond?
1526
01:18:40.319 --> 01:18:43.279
Yeah, I'm assuming it's going to be a tag match,
1527
01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:45.880
as some of sam. I'm just assuming that, but I
1528
01:18:46.479 --> 01:18:48.319
would look I am looking forward to if it is
1529
01:18:48.359 --> 01:18:51.319
a tag match. The interplay between Drew McIntyre and Logan Paul.
1530
01:18:51.680 --> 01:18:53.960
I think that would tie off each other quite well,
1531
01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:58.760
with Logan trying to tell Drew this guy come thinks
1532
01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:04.079
he owns it. You know, it's tongue at that, you know,
1533
01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:06.880
thinking what he thinks about Logan, and then sort of
1534
01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:09.039
trying to keep him into place in telling Logan, you know,
1535
01:19:09.159 --> 01:19:11.760
look what happened with you and Sena. You follow my lead,
1536
01:19:11.880 --> 01:19:13.800
so he into play there would be good too, So
1537
01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:16.520
that could make for an entertaining tag So we'll see
1538
01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:17.119
how we go there.
1539
01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:19.760
Jason, before we move on. For our listeners on the podcast,
1540
01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:21.279
I know you're just read a couple of comments about
1541
01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:25.520
the Logan Jelly Real stuff. If you'll indulge, Derek Mitchell said,
1542
01:19:25.560 --> 01:19:29.239
Logan Paul being the wrestling purist gatekeeper is hilarious. Brock
1543
01:19:29.239 --> 01:19:32.159
Benningfield Logan Paul's promo is pe keel. The only thing
1544
01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:36.239
I liked about it. Logan killed it here too. Jelly
1545
01:19:36.319 --> 01:19:39.119
Royl kick ass on his kicked Ass on his Fitness Journey.
1546
01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:42.359
Ryan Larios says, yeah, Jelly Roll and Randy versus Logan
1547
01:19:42.359 --> 01:19:45.359
and Drew at Summer Slam. Kyle Fassel says the Jelly
1548
01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:48.760
Real segment was surprisingly good, but Brock Benningfield says, I
1549
01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:51.760
need celebrities to remain in the crowd. Please. Well, there's exceptions,
1550
01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:55.039
but that should be the default rule. Mark Bisqueti says
1551
01:19:55.079 --> 01:19:57.079
Logan Paul's a modern miss. Miss came from real world,
1552
01:19:57.119 --> 01:19:59.479
Paul came from YouTube. Both are similar characters. Logan's just
1553
01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:02.119
better in the and on the make. Randy calling I
1554
01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:04.960
added that Randy calling him out made Logan's smile. He
1555
01:20:05.079 --> 01:20:08.560
marked out Troy though welcome Troy. Good to have you
1556
01:20:08.560 --> 01:20:12.600
watching us live. Somebody saved me from this storyline. So anyway,
1557
01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:15.920
those are some of the comments on our conversation. There
1558
01:20:16.359 --> 01:20:17.319
go ahead, Jason.
1559
01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:20.199
Well, I'm just a backup of your point, Wade.
1560
01:20:20.199 --> 01:20:22.159
If they're going to bring in these celebrities, I do
1561
01:20:22.359 --> 01:20:24.399
like it, and I feel like there's been a change
1562
01:20:24.399 --> 01:20:25.199
with this over the years.
1563
01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:27.920
So when they bring in these celebrities, they do take
1564
01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:32.800
it seriously. Like I thought.
1565
01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:34.640
McIntyre hit Randy Orden with the claymore, he sold it
1566
01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:37.159
really well, just as if to say, oh Amy, the
1567
01:20:37.239 --> 01:20:39.560
reason that this has happened. You know, Randy's come out
1568
01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:41.600
to help me and now Drew is taking him out.
1569
01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:43.199
I thought he sold it really well and he just
1570
01:20:43.399 --> 01:20:46.359
he took the whole thing seriously. So I have listened
1571
01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:48.600
they're going to put celebrities in these big matches.
1572
01:20:48.960 --> 01:20:50.960
I'm kind of with that. It is what it is,
1573
01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:53.079
and I understand it. I get it. But if you're
1574
01:20:53.079 --> 01:20:54.720
going to put them in there, have him.
1575
01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:58.199
Treated seriously and have him treat the wrestling stars as
1576
01:20:58.239 --> 01:20:59.960
if they are stars. And I feel like he's done that.
1577
01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:02.359
So for what it is, I don't think they could
1578
01:21:02.359 --> 01:21:03.199
have done it any better.
1579
01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:04.359
So I was quite.
1580
01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:09.359
Happy with her now going yeah, going back to Tiffany
1581
01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:13.760
and Trish. This is why leading into WrestleMania, I was
1582
01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:17.560
so convinced that Charlotte was going to defeat Tiffany because
1583
01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:18.319
I thought the.
1584
01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:20.119
Story you would tell with that.
1585
01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:23.680
Is that Tiffany displayed toughness, but ultimately Charlotte just got
1586
01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:26.880
the better of her. I thought, if you're in the
1587
01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:30.279
Tiffany business, she didn't have to defeat Charlotte at WrestleMania,
1588
01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:32.640
rather lose it in a gallant way and then have
1589
01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:35.520
to fight her way back to the championship. But as
1590
01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:38.119
people have pointed out in the chat, we've never had
1591
01:21:38.119 --> 01:21:41.359
that story with Tiffany where she sort of worked her
1592
01:21:41.359 --> 01:21:44.319
way up as a babyface. You know, she had that
1593
01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:47.479
little feud with Nia Jack. She ended up overcoming her,
1594
01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:50.800
but we've never seen that chase. So that was always
1595
01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:55.159
a weird booking decision for me. Yes, not just because
1596
01:21:56.199 --> 01:21:58.439
getting over You don't have to win to get over
1597
01:21:58.479 --> 01:22:00.680
with the crowd. And I feel like other people are
1598
01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:03.760
pointed out this babyface character of Tiffany. She's the mean
1599
01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:08.119
cheerleader that people are liking. But I'm sensing over the
1600
01:22:08.119 --> 01:22:10.319
past few weeks she's losing a bit of her baby
1601
01:22:10.359 --> 01:22:12.800
face heat. So I don't have an issue with this
1602
01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:15.840
match that she has against Tricia evolution, because it is
1603
01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:19.840
an evolution of Tricia Tiffany, just like NICKI and Live
1604
01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:23.800
would have been the evolution of each other. But I
1605
01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:29.039
think Tiffany, I don't blame her way where the writing
1606
01:22:29.319 --> 01:22:31.239
and the booking I think comes in. I feel like
1607
01:22:31.279 --> 01:22:36.640
she's been told backstage faith an edge to you. You've
1608
01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:38.640
got a bit of an I don't want you to
1609
01:22:38.720 --> 01:22:41.479
lose that. Maintain that, and we'll match you up against
1610
01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:43.680
the right people, so you just keep doing what you're doing.
1611
01:22:43.760 --> 01:22:46.079
So I feel like they could have done better with
1612
01:22:46.119 --> 01:22:49.760
her with the well actually with the matchmaking and just
1613
01:22:50.039 --> 01:22:52.159
having her soften up a little bit, you know, because
1614
01:22:52.159 --> 01:22:54.880
she just hasn't. And that's why there's a bit of
1615
01:22:54.880 --> 01:22:56.680
a disconnect I think with the crowd and with the
1616
01:22:56.720 --> 01:22:57.920
people watching the show.
1617
01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:02.000
Ifany has a bit of Charlotte, it's like I'm supposed
1618
01:23:02.039 --> 01:23:04.680
to be a certain way, and it becomes a little cardboard.
1619
01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:08.399
But you know, I don't think people think they've ever
1620
01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:13.399
met Tiffany Kelly. I mean, like the person behind the character.
1621
01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:16.199
I mean, it just she seemed like there's a kind
1622
01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:20.760
of a Barbie Doll thing that has evolved ever so
1623
01:23:20.920 --> 01:23:27.039
slightly into a WWE derivative Barbie Doll who says just
1624
01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:30.760
enough to be a babyface and wrestles just enough athletically
1625
01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:35.119
to get cheered. But it's not. I mean, if you
1626
01:23:35.159 --> 01:23:37.159
wrote out what they've done with her and just said, hey,
1627
01:23:37.199 --> 01:23:41.159
does this like to somebody who doesn't follow WWE, just
1628
01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:43.079
go does this seem like a person you would rally behind?
1629
01:23:43.079 --> 01:23:46.520
They'd be like, well, where in here is where she's likable?
1630
01:23:46.640 --> 01:23:48.680
I mean, they just they haven't written that in she
1631
01:23:48.760 --> 01:23:50.800
just looks like a star and they fans are cheered
1632
01:23:50.840 --> 01:23:53.880
her because of her athleticism and the Barbie gimmick to
1633
01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:56.319
a degree. I don't know, Kelly, anything you want to add.
1634
01:23:56.319 --> 01:23:57.439
We talked a lot about this at the top of
1635
01:23:57.439 --> 01:23:57.760
the show.
1636
01:23:58.279 --> 01:24:00.520
Yeah, the person I'd compare her to the most is
1637
01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:05.279
actually live liv Morgan, who who also just was put
1638
01:24:05.319 --> 01:24:08.239
in a position to be a babyface and just went
1639
01:24:08.279 --> 01:24:10.239
out there and didn't seem like she knew how to
1640
01:24:10.279 --> 01:24:15.159
do it. And I I don't think that there was
1641
01:24:15.199 --> 01:24:20.000
anybody giving her enough help on that, And I guess
1642
01:24:20.000 --> 01:24:22.560
I meant Live there, but I do mean either one
1643
01:24:22.600 --> 01:24:27.800
of them, and they were just miscast without anybody really
1644
01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:31.680
explaining to them what do likable people in the world
1645
01:24:31.760 --> 01:24:32.680
really act like?
1646
01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:36.880
And I get that Naya was mean to her, right,
1647
01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:39.800
but Tiffany, I mean, there are all kinds of things
1648
01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:41.680
in the way that played out that I just I
1649
01:24:41.720 --> 01:24:43.319
called it out at the time. I just didn't think
1650
01:24:44.119 --> 01:24:48.239
endeared me to her, including the way the whole cashing
1651
01:24:48.279 --> 01:24:50.439
thing played out. I don't know, I mean, I just
1652
01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:53.399
it was. I mean, the idea of Nijackx's mean to
1653
01:24:53.399 --> 01:24:55.119
her and she's an understudy and she's going to rebel
1654
01:24:55.119 --> 01:24:58.000
against Nijack's not Jackson's by the way, nijaxson'sap. What I
1655
01:24:58.000 --> 01:24:59.600
say for the Tech division, someone doesn't have to be
1656
01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:01.279
on TV week to be a major player. When there's
1657
01:25:01.279 --> 01:25:02.560
when there's something for them to do, put them on
1658
01:25:02.600 --> 01:25:04.039
TV when they're not. Give them a few weeks off
1659
01:25:04.119 --> 01:25:07.840
or a month or two off, or if they someone's
1660
01:25:07.840 --> 01:25:10.000
out injured sometimes they come back hotter. You don't need
1661
01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:12.239
them on TV every week. But yeah, I mean, the
1662
01:25:12.279 --> 01:25:14.359
idea was there. It's just like so many things in
1663
01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:16.039
the modern era, there's things that were done in the
1664
01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:20.239
past and they redo them minus all the detailed work
1665
01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:22.399
that bookers who understood the business did to make it
1666
01:25:22.439 --> 01:25:25.840
make sense, and they leave all that stuff out. It's
1667
01:25:25.920 --> 01:25:30.840
like listening to a cover, a generic version of a
1668
01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:32.840
song on a TV show because they don't want to
1669
01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:36.000
pay rights and it just sounds like it doesn't it
1670
01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:40.520
doesn't land with you emotionally. It's some derivative copy that
1671
01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:43.760
has no heart and a lot of storylines. Unfortunately in
1672
01:25:43.760 --> 01:25:45.319
the modern era, and a lot of people are newer
1673
01:25:45.319 --> 01:25:47.399
fans don't don't get it. They're inspired by things of
1674
01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:50.319
the past, but they're a shell of the execution that
1675
01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:53.640
they're just low IQ versions of it. The pieces aren't there.
1676
01:25:53.680 --> 01:25:55.880
And part of that is dough who's very insulated from
1677
01:25:56.000 --> 01:25:58.359
hand to mouth in terms of good angle means I
1678
01:25:58.359 --> 01:26:00.880
get fed or earn revenue. You sell tickets because they
1679
01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:03.079
sell tickets months and months ahead of time, they have
1680
01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:05.279
years of guaranteed money coming in and so they're just
1681
01:26:05.279 --> 01:26:08.880
filling TV time with a version of what they remember
1682
01:26:08.960 --> 01:26:10.920
that as a xerox of a xerox of a xerox
1683
01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:15.600
of the original way some of these stories were done.
1684
01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:18.960
So on the flip side, I do enjoy what they're doing.
1685
01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:23.279
With Charlotte and Alexa. And I thought this several weeks ago.
1686
01:26:23.439 --> 01:26:26.399
I liked the dynamic of Charlotte and Alexa, and I
1687
01:26:26.479 --> 01:26:29.279
just like the visual of sort of Charlotte looking down
1688
01:26:29.439 --> 01:26:30.039
at Alexa.
1689
01:26:30.079 --> 01:26:31.319
But Alexa is very good.
1690
01:26:31.359 --> 01:26:36.560
Even though she's a very small statue. She projects bigger
1691
01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:38.279
than what she is, right, and she's got that sort
1692
01:26:38.279 --> 01:26:41.600
of big personality that fans have gravitated to. And Charlotte
1693
01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:43.880
kind of looking down upon her, but Alexa looking back
1694
01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:46.359
at her and saying, listen, I see what through you, Charlotte,
1695
01:26:46.359 --> 01:26:48.399
And I'm going to bring out what I believe is
1696
01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:52.079
the real Charlotte. And there's a likable person there. Bit
1697
01:26:52.159 --> 01:26:54.279
by bit, I think they're going to get there with Charlotte.
1698
01:26:54.279 --> 01:26:56.039
And if you look at it tonight, she only did
1699
01:26:56.039 --> 01:26:58.880
one thing. But this is where the booking comes in,
1700
01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:02.239
Raquel what Regus took out a couple of people, but
1701
01:27:02.399 --> 01:27:04.000
Charlotte was there to put an end to it, and
1702
01:27:04.039 --> 01:27:07.640
the crowd cheered for that. No one's bulling Charlotte. That's
1703
01:27:07.680 --> 01:27:09.600
how you write someone. And I think, bit by bit,
1704
01:27:09.720 --> 01:27:11.359
I don't think there's going to be a swerve here.
1705
01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:14.199
I think, bit by bit, the facade of Charlotte is
1706
01:27:14.199 --> 01:27:16.840
going to break down and she's going to become likable
1707
01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:19.439
and she's going to get further over as a babyface.
1708
01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:21.560
And I always have faith that they could do this.
1709
01:27:21.840 --> 01:27:24.600
It's just you've got to write the character right. Having
1710
01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:30.920
Charlotte come in and win the raw, the heat they're
1711
01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:33.600
putting up against Tiffany Stratton and the way that was
1712
01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:35.880
sort of a bit of a mumbled mess there. But
1713
01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:38.479
people are going to cheer Tiffany over Charlotte because Tiffany's
1714
01:27:38.479 --> 01:27:40.039
the newer thing and she's more fresher.
1715
01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:43.439
You could see this happening a mile away. But now
1716
01:27:43.720 --> 01:27:44.680
if they're trying.
1717
01:27:44.439 --> 01:27:47.600
To build Charlotte as a babyface having Alexa playoff her,
1718
01:27:47.680 --> 01:27:48.760
I think eventually.
1719
01:27:48.399 --> 01:27:49.920
They're going to get there, and I have faith that
1720
01:27:49.960 --> 01:27:50.399
they will.
1721
01:27:50.600 --> 01:27:52.199
And that's when you write the right story and put
1722
01:27:52.199 --> 01:27:53.960
the people with the right people, things can happen.
1723
01:27:55.279 --> 01:28:00.239
Yeah, we'll put I'm with you. Anything you want to add, Kelly.
1724
01:28:01.079 --> 01:28:05.680
Yeah, they nothing further from that. It seems we're all
1725
01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:06.399
in agreement there.
1726
01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:08.560
Yeah, Gsea, anything else for us?
1727
01:28:09.399 --> 01:28:11.439
Just one more thing you're talking about the tag teams.
1728
01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:14.600
I mean again, I'm always a belief that if you
1729
01:28:14.640 --> 01:28:17.119
want to take tag teams seriously, right, or have them
1730
01:28:17.119 --> 01:28:19.600
come across our main events and you need to associate
1731
01:28:19.680 --> 01:28:23.520
them with main event singles talent. So, for argument's sake,
1732
01:28:23.600 --> 01:28:25.920
right tonight, you've got the tag match with j C.
1733
01:28:26.119 --> 01:28:30.479
Matteo and Solo so CoA versus l A. Knight and Jimmy.
1734
01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:33.319
Usso when you've got all these tag teams bickering backstage,
1735
01:28:33.359 --> 01:28:35.079
you could have easily have Nick Older say to one
1736
01:28:35.079 --> 01:28:36.800
of the tag teams, Look, you guys are so eager
1737
01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:37.119
to fight.
1738
01:28:37.159 --> 01:28:38.039
You want to get out there.
1739
01:28:38.199 --> 01:28:43.800
DIY. You're teaming with Solo and JC Motor City machine Guns.
1740
01:28:43.840 --> 01:28:47.640
Also on Dreda and Phoenix, you're teaming with LA Knight
1741
01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:50.000
and Jimmy Use. Then you have a little backstage segment
1742
01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:52.520
talking to each other Solo, JC Stat and my.
1743
01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:53.800
Way blah blah blah.
1744
01:28:53.880 --> 01:28:56.079
Then you can have an eight man tag, right, and
1745
01:28:56.159 --> 01:28:57.880
then you play off your stories from there. But it's
1746
01:28:57.920 --> 01:29:01.479
just a visual of associating the tag team with established singles.
1747
01:29:01.720 --> 01:29:04.159
I think helps kiss the tag teams over as opposed
1748
01:29:04.199 --> 01:29:06.600
to having them just all mingling with each other, because
1749
01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:08.439
then you just feel like you're spinning your Wilson. You're
1750
01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:11.920
not getting anywhere as far as changing the perception of
1751
01:29:12.039 --> 01:29:14.439
these tag teams to the fans. So I would like
1752
01:29:14.479 --> 01:29:18.560
to see tag teams associating more with single stars, and
1753
01:29:18.600 --> 01:29:20.439
if that means we get more eight man tags or
1754
01:29:20.479 --> 01:29:23.159
six man tags, I don't mind that. It's just about
1755
01:29:23.239 --> 01:29:25.840
changing the perception of the tag teams and making them
1756
01:29:25.840 --> 01:29:27.760
feel like main events is in their own right.
1757
01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:29.199
That's what I feel like they could do.
1758
01:29:30.319 --> 01:29:32.479
Kelly, what do you think of that scenario? Kyle Fassel
1759
01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:34.159
on the chat says it sounds like an aw book
1760
01:29:34.199 --> 01:29:34.840
to match Jason.
1761
01:29:35.439 --> 01:29:37.159
I know, yes, and I was just about to say,
1762
01:29:37.199 --> 01:29:39.279
good point, Kyle, I was just about to say that.
1763
01:29:39.319 --> 01:29:40.760
But if it works, it works.
1764
01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:45.079
Yeah. I agree with all of that, including it sounding
1765
01:29:45.119 --> 01:29:47.840
like something that they would do, but that is Yeah,
1766
01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:50.079
having them rub elbows with guys at the top of
1767
01:29:50.079 --> 01:29:54.079
the card could certainly be helpful. Whatever they're doing now
1768
01:29:54.239 --> 01:29:57.880
is not working. Only having them in one segment isn't working.
1769
01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:02.479
I really would have liked to see a secondary tag feud,
1770
01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:05.800
but if it wasn't happening on three hour SmackDown, I
1771
01:30:05.800 --> 01:30:08.319
don't know that it's going to happen on two hour SmackDown.
1772
01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:14.199
But if you had a secondary tag feud, man the
1773
01:30:14.239 --> 01:30:18.079
bookers would find out Lo and Behold. When the main
1774
01:30:18.159 --> 01:30:20.720
feud is over, the championship feud is over, they find
1775
01:30:20.720 --> 01:30:24.520
that they have top contenders waiting for them because they
1776
01:30:24.680 --> 01:30:28.359
just won a feud on TV. But this is just
1777
01:30:28.680 --> 01:30:31.000
not something that they seem like they want to do.
1778
01:30:32.800 --> 01:30:36.359
I don't know that they know they have a problem.
1779
01:30:36.560 --> 01:30:41.359
Or maybe maybe Triple H's booking is more like Vince's
1780
01:30:41.359 --> 01:30:43.520
than we think, and he's finding out that he just
1781
01:30:43.720 --> 01:30:47.640
doesn't care about tag teams. Hopefully that's not the case.
1782
01:30:47.880 --> 01:30:54.560
Yeah.
1783
01:30:54.600 --> 01:30:57.560
I'm Kelly Wells, host of the seven Star podcast, the
1784
01:30:57.640 --> 01:31:01.399
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1785
01:31:01.760 --> 01:31:05.159
We'll drop new episodes as major shows and noteworthy events
1786
01:31:05.279 --> 01:31:09.279
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1787
01:31:09.279 --> 01:31:12.239
the ever changing landscape of New Japan as they navigate
1788
01:31:12.279 --> 01:31:13.640
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1789
01:31:14.000 --> 01:31:16.720
But I really need to create some news staves. You
1790
01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:19.239
can stream the new seven Stop podcast now from Pro
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1792
01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:33.560
All right, Jason, anything else you want to add?
1793
01:31:34.359 --> 01:31:34.760
That's it?
1794
01:31:35.079 --> 01:31:38.199
Thanks by cool, Thanks Kelly, Thank you thanks much.
1795
01:31:38.239 --> 01:31:40.359
Jason. Always great here from you all right, let's go
1796
01:31:40.399 --> 01:31:46.039
to CJ, who looks ready for us. Welcome. What's in
1797
01:31:46.039 --> 01:31:47.439
your mind about SmackDown tonight?
1798
01:31:48.319 --> 01:31:53.359
What do you think about first high wait Kelly Chari again.
1799
01:31:53.199 --> 01:32:01.640
For you all. Thank you. Yeah, Bailey on Sunday very cool?
1800
01:32:01.960 --> 01:32:06.119
Yeah yeah, So where what do you guys think about
1801
01:32:06.159 --> 01:32:07.319
what they're doing with l A.
1802
01:32:07.439 --> 01:32:07.960
Knight here?
1803
01:32:09.680 --> 01:32:15.399
Yeah? Good, good topic. Kelly watched. Yeah, that's why he
1804
01:32:15.439 --> 01:32:18.720
brought up you've followed Ellie Knight's journey. What do you
1805
01:32:18.760 --> 01:32:23.439
think of how he's how he's doing what he's being
1806
01:32:23.439 --> 01:32:26.319
asked to do and also how he's executing it. I
1807
01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:28.840
did like the thing about when the fans are barking.
1808
01:32:29.479 --> 01:32:31.520
I mentioned the Fix a lot this week tonight, but
1809
01:32:32.399 --> 01:32:35.359
we talked on the Fix about how it's up to
1810
01:32:35.399 --> 01:32:37.399
kind of wrestlers. Now, this is in the mailbag to
1811
01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:40.319
find ways to tell the crowd to stop reacting to
1812
01:32:40.479 --> 01:32:43.479
things that make no sense and go again storylines, because
1813
01:32:43.479 --> 01:32:45.600
fans are someone of the communal experience of you know,
1814
01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:48.279
get the tables. We had one more time tonight, which
1815
01:32:48.319 --> 01:32:50.119
is just so obnoxious. You know, when a heal is
1816
01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:53.479
attacking babyface and then the fans barked, which is part
1817
01:32:53.479 --> 01:32:56.119
of partly W's fault because bron Breaker's been an ambiguous character.
1818
01:32:56.199 --> 01:32:58.159
But I thought Ellie Knight handled it well. He's like,
1819
01:32:58.199 --> 01:33:00.239
don't do that, and then he mocked him. He goes,
1820
01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:03.560
you're gonna jiggle out the last remaining brain cells when
1821
01:33:03.600 --> 01:33:05.279
he shakes his head like a dog or something. I
1822
01:33:05.279 --> 01:33:07.800
mean it would. I just I thought he handled it well,
1823
01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:10.079
and I was like, this is good. You want babyfaces
1824
01:33:10.159 --> 01:33:14.760
to start steering fans in the direction of reacting in
1825
01:33:14.760 --> 01:33:16.840
a way where they don't feel like they've They get
1826
01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:18.600
a ribbon as they leave the arena for channing this
1827
01:33:18.640 --> 01:33:22.159
is awesome instead of let's go blank, and we had
1828
01:33:22.199 --> 01:33:24.239
a let's go blank chant tonight for a babyface can
1829
01:33:24.279 --> 01:33:27.359
remember who it was at least one. It's not gonna
1830
01:33:27.359 --> 01:33:30.960
happen overnight. But people like Ella Knight, who are just
1831
01:33:31.079 --> 01:33:37.800
innately popular and charismatic, can be part of re sort
1832
01:33:37.800 --> 01:33:41.319
of reorienting the fans to respond in a way that
1833
01:33:41.479 --> 01:33:48.199
isn't just snarky internet social media comments or communal pro brand,
1834
01:33:48.399 --> 01:33:52.479
pro star rating, pro high quality excitement and get more
1835
01:33:52.520 --> 01:33:57.640
into the moment. La Knight isn't. There's an aspect of
1836
01:33:57.640 --> 01:34:02.199
Ella Knight that is a timeless face. There's nothing about
1837
01:34:02.319 --> 01:34:06.520
him that I think you couldn't drop into world class
1838
01:34:06.600 --> 01:34:08.760
champion pressing in nineteen eighty five and just have him.
1839
01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:13.000
Had a couple of catchphrases, he talks, he has a
1840
01:34:13.039 --> 01:34:16.119
swager to him, but ultimately he's likable. So I think
1841
01:34:16.119 --> 01:34:18.239
they're doing a nice job with him. I don't think
1842
01:34:18.239 --> 01:34:19.840
he should be a main eventor, but I think a
1843
01:34:19.880 --> 01:34:21.520
top of the second tier guy who mixes with the
1844
01:34:21.560 --> 01:34:24.560
main eventers is. I think he's doing well with it.
1845
01:34:25.039 --> 01:34:25.560
What do you think?
1846
01:34:28.079 --> 01:34:32.039
Yeah, I've been following him longer than I think many realize,
1847
01:34:32.079 --> 01:34:34.960
because I was covering him on NWA when NWA was
1848
01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:39.039
a show worth covering, and it's definitely not that, but
1849
01:34:39.760 --> 01:34:44.720
it was so when people were unsure about him at first.
1850
01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:49.159
I remember thinking, based on everything I'd seen on NWA,
1851
01:34:49.359 --> 01:34:51.840
this guy can be really really big here. And I
1852
01:34:51.920 --> 01:34:55.239
even thought like, why is he an NBA wrestling studio
1853
01:34:55.279 --> 01:34:57.840
wrestling in front of one hundred and fifty people when
1854
01:34:58.000 --> 01:35:00.479
it really seems like he's made to be in arena
1855
01:35:00.640 --> 01:35:04.479
crowd pleaser kind of guy. I thought the only issue
1856
01:35:04.520 --> 01:35:07.520
that he had there when he was Eli Drake was
1857
01:35:08.159 --> 01:35:12.039
he he would repeat himself so much. He would do yeah,
1858
01:35:12.359 --> 01:35:16.079
like ten fifteen times in a row, and I was like, man,
1859
01:35:16.319 --> 01:35:20.359
come on there, you somebody slap his wrist when he's
1860
01:35:20.399 --> 01:35:23.079
doing a little too much of this. And it just
1861
01:35:23.159 --> 01:35:26.520
seemed like if they could get turn him to the
1862
01:35:26.600 --> 01:35:30.159
right volume, then it was going to work. And although
1863
01:35:30.600 --> 01:35:33.560
it is working better than I ever thought that even
1864
01:35:33.760 --> 01:35:37.000
it would, so that's very good. I don't know that
1865
01:35:37.039 --> 01:35:41.119
he should be a mainuventor either in this era of
1866
01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:44.239
crowded the main event people, but he could definitely visit
1867
01:35:44.279 --> 01:35:49.039
that scene. I think he's done a really really good
1868
01:35:49.159 --> 01:35:52.199
job of and he hasn't been asked to wrestle too
1869
01:35:52.359 --> 01:35:56.520
many babyfaces in long form feuds. I think that would
1870
01:35:56.560 --> 01:35:59.680
really harm him, and maybe the fact that he hasn't
1871
01:35:59.760 --> 01:36:06.600
is is helping him because he's been able to Uh yeah,
1872
01:36:06.760 --> 01:36:10.319
he's he's been in a babyface context. He's simply thought
1873
01:36:10.399 --> 01:36:14.119
for what's right, and he talks tough. He mocks the heels,
1874
01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:18.319
but he also reiterates that he's a pretty good guy
1875
01:36:18.640 --> 01:36:22.920
who's worth cheering for, who's worth backing. Uh yeah. I
1876
01:36:23.760 --> 01:36:28.319
really like it's a vague question that CJ asks here,
1877
01:36:28.359 --> 01:36:31.000
but I think that what he's doing is really good,
1878
01:36:31.079 --> 01:36:34.920
and he's been up for every feud that he's been given.
1879
01:36:35.159 --> 01:36:37.800
He's he's given it is all when he's been in
1880
01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:40.600
a championship context, and he's given it at all his
1881
01:36:40.760 --> 01:36:43.640
all when he's in a wacky tag team match at
1882
01:36:43.680 --> 01:36:47.359
the end of SmackDown. I just think that he's just
1883
01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:49.720
about the ultimate crowd pleaser. And if he was younger,
1884
01:36:49.800 --> 01:36:52.000
I would say he was definitely going to be a
1885
01:36:52.000 --> 01:36:53.880
future world champion.
1886
01:36:54.560 --> 01:36:58.520
And I agree with everything you said until the end.
1887
01:36:58.640 --> 01:37:01.800
I am not. I just don't believe everybody who's over
1888
01:37:01.880 --> 01:37:04.159
in who people like should get their turn with the championship.
1889
01:37:04.199 --> 01:37:06.760
I don't think ll A Knight is a world title
1890
01:37:06.880 --> 01:37:11.600
level guy on a national international company like WWE, and
1891
01:37:11.640 --> 01:37:15.079
it's not an insult. Some people are six men and
1892
01:37:15.479 --> 01:37:17.159
or the you know, the second man off the bench
1893
01:37:17.319 --> 01:37:19.000
and they do a lot of money and you know,
1894
01:37:19.359 --> 01:37:21.680
or they're second or third line player in the NHL
1895
01:37:21.760 --> 01:37:24.159
or their fourth line specialists, like I think Ella Knight
1896
01:37:24.239 --> 01:37:27.279
is a specialist. But part of what makes him work
1897
01:37:27.399 --> 01:37:30.640
is that he's not over pushed and he can be LA.
1898
01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:33.039
There's not a lot to l A Knight. He's a
1899
01:37:33.079 --> 01:37:35.079
guy who's sort of illusional but also sort of self
1900
01:37:35.119 --> 01:37:36.680
aware about how delusional he is about what a big
1901
01:37:36.720 --> 01:37:39.279
story is as l A. Knight, and but he just
1902
01:37:39.279 --> 01:37:41.520
seems to be in on the joke. I'm this big
1903
01:37:41.600 --> 01:37:45.000
shot guy. But what he does is he takes his
1904
01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:48.359
wit and his catchphrases and uses it against bad people
1905
01:37:48.680 --> 01:37:50.479
who are more full of it than him because they're
1906
01:37:50.560 --> 01:37:52.840
unseelf aware. They're trying to be s people and LA
1907
01:37:52.920 --> 01:37:56.960
Knight's in on it. He's cocky, he's charismatic. He seems to,
1908
01:37:58.479 --> 01:38:01.479
but he's he's not. He doesn't come across to me
1909
01:38:01.479 --> 01:38:03.119
as somebody who you want to pay to see in
1910
01:38:03.159 --> 01:38:06.840
pay per view main events. And if he did, I
1911
01:38:06.880 --> 01:38:11.119
think they would push him beyond where his strengths lie.
1912
01:38:11.199 --> 01:38:15.800
And I think there's sustainability and longevity even though he
1913
01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:18.840
got started, you know, got the national exposure late. There's
1914
01:38:18.840 --> 01:38:21.880
sustainability to this in part because they're not pushing him
1915
01:38:22.039 --> 01:38:24.520
too high or too far. And then just in general,
1916
01:38:24.920 --> 01:38:26.640
everybody should have their turn with the belt. It should
1917
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be very few people who got to run with either
1918
01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:32.079
of the two world titles, and seemingly every company right now.
1919
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So Kelly, that's my only pushback. It's just I feel
1920
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like we don't want to go into the Goldwatch territory
1921
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with anybody who's popular.
1922
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Kelly and I actually I'm with you in that I
1923
01:38:43.920 --> 01:38:47.119
would not choose for him to be a world champion,
1924
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whether he was younger or not.
1925
01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:49.119
I got some.
1926
01:38:51.079 --> 01:38:53.720
That he could have been booked to be one at
1927
01:38:53.760 --> 01:38:57.359
the time. I think that I think that the company's
1928
01:38:57.399 --> 01:38:59.560
too elite for somebody like a bron Breaker. So I
1929
01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:02.199
definitely think it's too elite for somebody like an L. A. Knight,
1930
01:39:03.079 --> 01:39:05.960
And I too would rather that it moves around a
1931
01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:10.520
little but very very few guys. And yeah, Elle Knight,
1932
01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:12.800
Derek Mitchell is saying it right now in the chat.
1933
01:39:12.920 --> 01:39:15.920
Back in the day, guys like Jake Roberts, Jyd Hacksaw,
1934
01:39:16.000 --> 01:39:18.920
Jim Duggan, big boss Man didn't need to be WWF champion.
1935
01:39:18.960 --> 01:39:21.479
I feel like La Knight is into that type of group.
1936
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I'm with him. I yeah, these guys. People definitely wanted
1937
01:39:26.520 --> 01:39:28.920
to see them. These guys all had their huge fans,
1938
01:39:30.119 --> 01:39:32.359
and we're an important part of the show. But you
1939
01:39:32.439 --> 01:39:36.159
need challengers, you need an undercard, and and I for me,
1940
01:39:36.640 --> 01:39:37.840
La Knight's definitely there too.
1941
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He's like, I don't think it's perfect. But the Roddy
1942
01:39:40.680 --> 01:39:47.680
Piper example with Kyle Fassel comes up like, and obviously
1943
01:39:47.720 --> 01:39:49.079
Roddy's a main evant heal and all that, but he
1944
01:39:49.079 --> 01:39:52.399
wasn't world champion. But Roddy just like he wasn't a
1945
01:39:52.439 --> 01:39:56.119
super super talented wrestler and he but he was a
1946
01:39:56.239 --> 01:40:00.359
much more accomplished promo guy than La n I let's
1947
01:40:00.359 --> 01:40:02.239
go dig at La Night. La Knight has something that
1948
01:40:02.279 --> 01:40:04.399
works for him and he does it. It's like he's
1949
01:40:04.439 --> 01:40:06.479
the He's a restaurant you go to with a small menu,
1950
01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:08.600
like it's not page after page. He just does a
1951
01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:11.000
few things, he does it well and people like it. Boom,
1952
01:40:11.119 --> 01:40:15.520
there you are. But you know, do you want people
1953
01:40:15.520 --> 01:40:17.319
who fit a certain role? And you're not sitting here
1954
01:40:17.319 --> 01:40:20.279
going why isn't Roddy Piper the centerpiece world champion? Because
1955
01:40:21.000 --> 01:40:24.359
that's not It would extend and beyond those strengths. But
1956
01:40:24.720 --> 01:40:28.119
I think he would be tempted to be put in
1957
01:40:28.199 --> 01:40:30.439
that spot in some territories back in the day, and
1958
01:40:30.439 --> 01:40:32.199
maybe in a smaller territory. You know, it would have
1959
01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:35.079
been fine anyway. But I get what you're saying, Kelly too.
1960
01:40:35.439 --> 01:40:37.520
I want this to come across as a compliment La Night,
1961
01:40:37.560 --> 01:40:39.479
But I don't want people. I don't want people to
1962
01:40:39.520 --> 01:40:41.359
frame La Night's career as a failure because he doesn't
1963
01:40:41.359 --> 01:40:43.039
get a run with a world title Like that should
1964
01:40:43.079 --> 01:40:45.640
not be how we judge whether someone has a successful
1965
01:40:45.640 --> 01:40:49.880
career anymore than you judge a relief picture for being
1966
01:40:49.960 --> 01:40:51.960
in puer area, or even a good, really good middle
1967
01:40:52.000 --> 01:40:54.079
relief inferior to a great starter who was a bunch
1968
01:40:54.119 --> 01:40:56.800
of twenty twenty win season, CJ, you like my baseball
1969
01:40:56.840 --> 01:41:02.920
analogy instead of NBA. Hold on, I muted you by
1970
01:41:03.039 --> 01:41:05.479
say you like my baseball analogy c the NBA.
1971
01:41:05.680 --> 01:41:10.079
Yeah, even though unfortunately my team has having their terrible season.
1972
01:41:10.119 --> 01:41:13.920
Oh my god, it's like we've been snake bit. We
1973
01:41:13.920 --> 01:41:16.039
were one of the bigs to go all the way
1974
01:41:16.159 --> 01:41:21.760
and the biggest Brave hater, one of one of even
1975
01:41:21.880 --> 01:41:23.359
guessed to go this bad.
1976
01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:28.399
It's yeah, who's your team? CJ. For people who don't
1977
01:41:28.880 --> 01:41:33.640
the Braves, yeah, yeah, I'm it was so fun the
1978
01:41:33.640 --> 01:41:36.359
Twins beating the Braves. Before then the Brads went on to.
1979
01:41:36.359 --> 01:41:39.920
Win so much, La what was your last three?
1980
01:41:40.119 --> 01:41:41.720
That's what I'm saying. I'm conceding that.
1981
01:41:42.319 --> 01:41:49.319
Oh yeah bye, hear you on l A. And I
1982
01:41:49.520 --> 01:41:52.560
I'm like on the fence whether I see him at
1983
01:41:52.560 --> 01:41:56.000
the World Champion or like right there like a mister
1984
01:41:56.119 --> 01:41:58.319
perfect sky Hall back in the day.
1985
01:41:58.439 --> 01:42:03.439
Yeah those are good too, Scott Hall. Miss but yeah,
1986
01:42:03.520 --> 01:42:07.760
and I'll use my world class people look this up
1987
01:42:07.800 --> 01:42:10.239
if they're not long long time fans. Were Iceman King
1988
01:42:10.279 --> 01:42:12.079
Parsons in world class champiship wrestling.
1989
01:42:12.560 --> 01:42:12.880
He was.
1990
01:42:13.039 --> 01:42:14.960
He was the friend of the von Erics. He was
1991
01:42:15.000 --> 01:42:17.279
in the tag team division. He was wrestling for secondary
1992
01:42:17.800 --> 01:42:21.439
at a secondary level. But he wasn't a grain in
1993
01:42:21.560 --> 01:42:25.079
ring worker. He was charismatic and he fit a certain role.
1994
01:42:25.640 --> 01:42:29.199
But nobody he should not have been the singles champion.
1995
01:42:29.319 --> 01:42:31.920
He shouldn't have been a world champion. To me like
1996
01:42:31.960 --> 01:42:34.239
that that that's like of all the people I've compared
1997
01:42:34.319 --> 01:42:36.800
him to, I think that's like the best comparison in
1998
01:42:36.920 --> 01:42:38.760
terms of somebody in where they fit in with, you know,
1999
01:42:38.800 --> 01:42:41.880
relative to the main eventors. He was more than Brian Adidas.
2000
01:42:41.960 --> 01:42:45.640
Terig Mitchell also historian here pulling from history goes Brian Adas. No,
2001
01:42:46.760 --> 01:42:51.399
who's Sean Spears is Brian Adidas? Maybe Kelly I don't know.
2002
01:42:51.720 --> 01:42:56.039
You go back to Brian Adidas. I don't he was
2003
01:42:56.079 --> 01:43:02.520
the van Erics Bland friend who if he or yeah
2004
01:43:01.199 --> 01:43:04.920
yeah if a van Eric was no show because they
2005
01:43:04.960 --> 01:43:09.039
were like, like, you know, too wasted to show up.
2006
01:43:09.119 --> 01:43:10.600
Brandon didas would fill in. He was a Steve O
2007
01:43:10.680 --> 01:43:13.800
Steve Olsonowski of the A w A at a w A
2008
01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:18.039
just kind of the you know, the the yeah Bland.
2009
01:43:18.119 --> 01:43:22.720
A lot about busting out uh ted rcdo remember.
2010
01:43:23.039 --> 01:43:25.159
I remember that was very brief, but.
2011
01:43:26.640 --> 01:43:29.439
Yeah, dude got to be in the Survivor series match.
2012
01:43:29.479 --> 01:43:30.960
Good for him.
2013
01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:35.039
Trying to think who in a W right now fits anyway?
2014
01:43:35.079 --> 01:43:36.479
I can go down a rabbit hole. I want go
2015
01:43:36.479 --> 01:43:38.359
ahead of c J. I want to wrap up a
2016
01:43:38.359 --> 01:43:40.520
little bit pretty soon here too. We've got a big
2017
01:43:40.520 --> 01:43:42.039
weekend ahead, so I don't want to go too long.
2018
01:43:43.239 --> 01:43:47.000
I hear you. It canna be two busy days for me.
2019
01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:52.800
Anyway. It looks like they're doing something with Randy Ordon
2020
01:43:52.920 --> 01:43:57.079
named jelly roll which I'm on the fence and I
2021
01:43:57.119 --> 01:43:59.520
love jelly Rolls music. I found u if he should
2022
01:43:59.560 --> 01:44:02.720
be teaming up with Randy Orton, And if they do
2023
01:44:02.720 --> 01:44:06.399
do that, where do you think that leads with Randy
2024
01:44:06.479 --> 01:44:10.279
orton the rest of the year. Do you think eventually
2025
01:44:10.359 --> 01:44:13.159
this year we get Cody versus Randy at some point
2026
01:44:13.319 --> 01:44:14.399
or maybe next year?
2027
01:44:14.439 --> 01:44:15.119
What do you think?
2028
01:44:16.800 --> 01:44:19.079
Yes, there's been some comments in the chat Kelly about
2029
01:44:19.079 --> 01:44:21.840
what about Randy, Like does it does Randy have to
2030
01:44:21.840 --> 01:44:24.359
turn heel CJ for this to work? What people what
2031
01:44:24.439 --> 01:44:25.760
you and others are saying.
2032
01:44:27.520 --> 01:44:28.079
I don't know.
2033
01:44:28.399 --> 01:44:30.600
I think he say have so much history.
2034
01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:34.680
I think they could do a potential, very good babyface
2035
01:44:34.760 --> 01:44:36.279
baby face match with it.
2036
01:44:36.479 --> 01:44:41.199
Yeah. I mean, I think Randy is We've gotten to
2037
01:44:41.199 --> 01:44:43.479
know Randy too much. He's talking about his panic attacks
2038
01:44:43.520 --> 01:44:46.800
on a podcast recently. He's opened up. I think if
2039
01:44:46.840 --> 01:44:49.279
we're to get a Randy Cody feud, Kelly, I think
2040
01:44:49.479 --> 01:44:52.800
it's going to be at the time if Randy's healthy
2041
01:44:52.800 --> 01:44:54.439
and still wrestling, and I think he probably will be
2042
01:44:55.199 --> 01:44:58.640
where Cody is the heel. I don't. I don't think
2043
01:44:58.640 --> 01:45:01.279
we're gonna get a Randy turn I don't. I don't
2044
01:45:01.279 --> 01:45:02.760
think people would buy it, and I think it would
2045
01:45:02.760 --> 01:45:05.359
sabotage Cody if they try to turn Randy heel, because
2046
01:45:05.399 --> 01:45:07.600
fans with cheer Randy against Cody. I think they know it.
2047
01:45:07.640 --> 01:45:09.520
I think Cody knows it, and I think they're gonna
2048
01:45:09.520 --> 01:45:11.640
wait until Cody's a heel for Randy to face him.
2049
01:45:11.760 --> 01:45:15.520
Kelly r thoughts and I think that it's wild considering
2050
01:45:15.560 --> 01:45:19.359
that Randy has jumped face to heel so many times
2051
01:45:19.359 --> 01:45:22.720
in his career and now we're saying he can't. But
2052
01:45:23.239 --> 01:45:26.520
I feel the same way. And I was never an
2053
01:45:26.640 --> 01:45:29.479
Orton guy, and I really have kind of become one
2054
01:45:29.520 --> 01:45:32.560
on this run, Like this is probably my favorite run
2055
01:45:32.600 --> 01:45:38.479
he's ever had since the Heel Intercontinental Championship run in
2056
01:45:38.479 --> 01:45:41.199
like two thousand and four. This is probably about the
2057
01:45:41.239 --> 01:45:45.399
most I've ever liked him as far as this match
2058
01:45:45.399 --> 01:45:47.680
with Jelly Roll, This is totally fine with me. For
2059
01:45:47.840 --> 01:45:51.880
like a wacky tag team encounter at a two night
2060
01:45:52.600 --> 01:45:55.159
Summer Slam, I think that's fine, and I think it's
2061
01:45:55.159 --> 01:45:59.079
fine to do stuff like that with somebody like Randy
2062
01:45:59.199 --> 01:46:05.119
Orton when he's not going to be visiting a bigger feud.
2063
01:46:05.199 --> 01:46:07.079
We know that this is not the last feud for
2064
01:46:07.159 --> 01:46:10.359
Andy Ordon. We know that he'll have more interesting stuff
2065
01:46:10.399 --> 01:46:15.199
down the pipe. But for for a one off at SummerSlam,
2066
01:46:15.239 --> 01:46:18.439
They've they've done so many of those, it doesn't bother
2067
01:46:18.520 --> 01:46:22.840
me and I know some folks do not want these
2068
01:46:22.880 --> 01:46:27.600
celebrities in their matches, but it's just it's existed as
2069
01:46:27.640 --> 01:46:30.439
long as I've been watching wrestling since since the very
2070
01:46:30.520 --> 01:46:33.840
late eighties, so I guess it just doesn't bother me.
2071
01:46:35.880 --> 01:46:37.840
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2081
01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:10.239
VIP or Patreon membership. And you know, people got a
2082
01:47:10.279 --> 01:47:12.479
taste of and I think liked the taste they got
2083
01:47:12.479 --> 01:47:14.359
of Cody and Randy and the Nine of Champions. And
2084
01:47:15.279 --> 01:47:18.079
but you know, this idea that I was calling for more,
2085
01:47:18.239 --> 01:47:20.119
I get it because of their history and they want
2086
01:47:20.199 --> 01:47:23.199
you know, I think the assumed direction is Randy turning
2087
01:47:23.239 --> 01:47:26.000
heel because he's turned so much to do a full
2088
01:47:26.000 --> 01:47:30.680
fledged feud. I I just think Randy as a face
2089
01:47:30.720 --> 01:47:32.319
Cody as a heel is Actually it might be the
2090
01:47:32.359 --> 01:47:34.880
key way to get Cody really cemented as a heel
2091
01:47:34.960 --> 01:47:37.119
is to have them team up and have some sort
2092
01:47:37.119 --> 01:47:39.720
of storyline where Cody turns on Randy in the midst
2093
01:47:39.760 --> 01:47:43.720
of it. That could actually be weirdly because Randy's turned
2094
01:47:43.760 --> 01:47:46.159
so many times. But I think Randy's just locked in
2095
01:47:46.680 --> 01:47:52.079
now as a legacy uh legacy baby face and so
2096
01:47:52.800 --> 01:47:54.640
they're not going to do another face versus face match.
2097
01:47:54.640 --> 01:47:56.239
I mean they did that. It was a novelty. It
2098
01:47:56.279 --> 01:47:59.119
was cool, but I do think people are clamoring for
2099
01:47:59.199 --> 01:48:02.359
more because of their history. To me, it's it's not
2100
01:48:02.479 --> 01:48:07.800
Randy turn and'eil. I think that would not work, all right, CJ.
2101
01:48:08.920 --> 01:48:11.640
Any closing words from you other than you're excited to
2102
01:48:12.399 --> 01:48:14.600
meet Bailey and as everyone in the chat says, keep
2103
01:48:14.640 --> 01:48:19.399
it cool to reader like an equal human being. You
2104
01:48:19.479 --> 01:48:21.239
are a human. She is a human. You are both
2105
01:48:21.760 --> 01:48:24.439
of equal stature. You are a star on this show,
2106
01:48:24.479 --> 01:48:28.560
she is a star on w And just tell her
2107
01:48:28.560 --> 01:48:29.920
you respect and appreciate her work.
2108
01:48:30.600 --> 01:48:32.880
Oh yeah, I love their since her Hunger Days.
2109
01:48:33.439 --> 01:48:35.560
And let me know if you want me calling and
2110
01:48:35.680 --> 01:48:37.279
give you live recaps.
2111
01:48:38.439 --> 01:48:41.119
Yes, if you're doing, I'll email you once. We kind
2112
01:48:41.159 --> 01:48:42.840
of figured it out, as you can tell from listening earlier.
2113
01:48:42.880 --> 01:48:45.680
We're still kind of working out the schedule on the weekend.
2114
01:48:45.720 --> 01:48:46.840
There's a lot of moving parts.
2115
01:48:47.840 --> 01:48:51.880
All right, it was great seeing you, Kelly. Yes, yeah,
2116
01:48:51.960 --> 01:48:54.000
you too, Cjes Thanks.
2117
01:48:54.119 --> 01:49:00.479
Thanks, take care awesome all right, Kelly, be anything from
2118
01:49:01.079 --> 01:49:05.479
SmackDown in particular you want to talk about before. I
2119
01:49:05.520 --> 01:49:07.960
also get a little bit of n x T talk
2120
01:49:08.000 --> 01:49:11.159
in with you with the gretoric and bastma.
2121
01:49:13.680 --> 01:49:16.239
I don't know. Do I have to mention how dopey
2122
01:49:16.239 --> 01:49:21.800
of a name Talatonga is do I have? Is that
2123
01:49:21.920 --> 01:49:24.039
just implied that.
2124
01:49:24.920 --> 01:49:25.279
I love.
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01:49:26.720 --> 01:49:28.439
I love? Someone said, is that because he's tall?
2126
01:49:29.119 --> 01:49:33.439
M Yeah, yeah, I think that played into it. Yeah,
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01:49:33.640 --> 01:49:37.680
he as hickelo Really the only thing cool about him
2128
01:49:37.880 --> 01:49:41.960
was his name, Hickeoleo. He certainly was not like a
2129
01:49:42.000 --> 01:49:46.279
standout wrestler in New Japan. So for him to be
2130
01:49:46.359 --> 01:49:52.600
Tallatonga whatever, there's there's use for him. But seeing a
2131
01:49:52.600 --> 01:49:55.479
lot of matches of his is not it and I
2132
01:49:55.479 --> 01:49:59.239
have seen a lot a lot of his matches as
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01:49:59.279 --> 01:50:00.840
somebody who.
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01:50:00.279 --> 01:50:03.520
So elaborate a little. We got we got the gist here, Kelly,
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01:50:03.560 --> 01:50:07.960
but elaborate like a little more on what you're saying about.
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01:50:07.760 --> 01:50:11.039
Him, all right, So Hiccoleo. He's another one of the
2137
01:50:11.079 --> 01:50:16.039
sons of Haku. People probably know that, but he looks
2138
01:50:17.239 --> 01:50:19.680
star ish. He's very tall, but he's a little bit
2139
01:50:19.840 --> 01:50:22.439
lean for somebody so tall, so he doesn't look as
2140
01:50:22.479 --> 01:50:26.840
imposing as he could obviously. But for me, the biggest
2141
01:50:26.840 --> 01:50:28.880
issue is that he's a big guy who looks like
2142
01:50:28.920 --> 01:50:31.319
he wants to wrestle like a small guy. He doesn't
2143
01:50:31.359 --> 01:50:35.039
do enough of the He kinda reminds me of that
2144
01:50:35.119 --> 01:50:41.279
original Drew McIntyre run where every time Drew McIntyre came out,
2145
01:50:41.359 --> 01:50:43.720
I'd be like, oh my gosh, that guy's so big,
2146
01:50:43.760 --> 01:50:46.399
And I keep forgetting that he's so big because he
2147
01:50:46.399 --> 01:50:51.680
didn't wrestle like an overwhelming big dude. And he left
2148
01:50:51.720 --> 01:50:55.800
and he came back and he knew how to do it.
2149
01:50:55.960 --> 01:50:58.000
But for all I know, they could have been working
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01:50:58.039 --> 01:51:00.520
with a lot with him, a lot back behind the
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01:51:00.560 --> 01:51:03.399
scenes and making sure that he gets better because he's
2152
01:51:03.399 --> 01:51:07.680
been pretty protected to this point. But they liked him
2153
01:51:07.760 --> 01:51:09.920
enough to move him to the quarterfinals of the g
2154
01:51:10.039 --> 01:51:13.800
One Climax a few years ago, and he lost as
2155
01:51:13.800 --> 01:51:15.840
soon as he got into the knockout round. I think
2156
01:51:15.840 --> 01:51:21.720
he lost to Tahashi No. I don't think that's right Nito.
2157
01:51:21.920 --> 01:51:26.720
I think it was Tatsuya Nito. But but yes, he's
2158
01:51:28.000 --> 01:51:31.399
he was not like he was never getting main event
2159
01:51:31.479 --> 01:51:33.800
slots because you knew what you were going to get
2160
01:51:33.800 --> 01:51:35.920
with him, and there was a hard cap on on
2161
01:51:36.039 --> 01:51:37.520
how good his matches were going to be.
2162
01:51:43.600 --> 01:51:47.279
Would you have been better if they just pronounced his
2163
01:51:47.760 --> 01:51:51.840
real name a little closer to Taula Tonga and didn't
2164
01:51:51.840 --> 01:51:53.960
do the two l's were tallest built into it? Like
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01:51:54.039 --> 01:51:59.119
is that is? I'm like, I get making fun of
2166
01:51:59.119 --> 01:52:02.000
it because he's the tall guy. But they could have
2167
01:52:02.800 --> 01:52:05.479
just spell I mean, I don't know why they didn't
2168
01:52:05.520 --> 01:52:07.359
just spell it the real way and have it sort
2169
01:52:07.359 --> 01:52:10.800
of found good anyway. I don't know. It feels a
2170
01:52:10.800 --> 01:52:11.520
little bit.
2171
01:52:11.520 --> 01:52:14.439
That would have been much better. This feels a lot
2172
01:52:14.520 --> 01:52:19.319
like not just old school wrestling, but this is this
2173
01:52:19.399 --> 01:52:22.880
almost goes back to like Auto Octavius being the real
2174
01:52:22.960 --> 01:52:25.960
name of Doctor Octopus.
2175
01:52:25.279 --> 01:52:27.680
Like the cheeky.
2176
01:52:27.319 --> 01:52:31.720
Stuff they did in like the forties and fifties sixties comics.
2177
01:52:31.720 --> 01:52:39.920
It's it's a little one dimensional, but I mean you're still.
2178
01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:42.239
All right NX Great American Bash Tomorrow the the Evil
2179
01:52:42.319 --> 01:52:44.199
Villain and the Heroes and Villain story of a W
2180
01:52:44.359 --> 01:52:45.920
versus n XT going head dead with.
2181
01:52:45.920 --> 01:52:46.399
All in.
2182
01:52:48.199 --> 01:52:50.600
What uh? What do you? What do you think they
2183
01:52:50.640 --> 01:52:53.439
did as the uh as the what has turned out
2184
01:52:53.479 --> 01:52:54.760
to be the head Dead show with All? And I
2185
01:52:54.760 --> 01:52:56.600
think when they booked this they thought that night's main
2186
01:52:56.600 --> 01:52:59.880
event would be head to head But yeah, what stands
2187
01:52:59.920 --> 01:53:01.319
up out here? How are you feeling about Ethan Page,
2188
01:53:01.399 --> 01:53:05.279
Ricky Saints or Defense or yeah, go ahead.
2189
01:53:05.000 --> 01:53:10.000
With It's a weird show. It doesn't on paper have
2190
01:53:10.159 --> 01:53:16.520
anything that has obvious show stealing potential. I guess maybe
2191
01:53:16.720 --> 01:53:18.800
let me look at the card again. But it just
2192
01:53:18.840 --> 01:53:24.600
seems like it doesn't feel like NXT two point zero.
2193
01:53:24.640 --> 01:53:27.079
It doesn't feel like NXT Black and Gold. It really
2194
01:53:27.079 --> 01:53:31.800
feels like its own thing and uh and a lot
2195
01:53:31.800 --> 01:53:34.159
of times with these it's it's just been like, Okay,
2196
01:53:34.199 --> 01:53:35.800
this is going to be a work great show. This
2197
01:53:35.840 --> 01:53:38.800
feels like a lot like black and Gold. It just
2198
01:53:38.800 --> 01:53:44.159
feels like very much. It's just a strange collection of matches.
2199
01:53:45.880 --> 01:53:48.319
I wouldn't have thought Yoshiki an Amora was going to
2200
01:53:48.359 --> 01:53:53.039
be the main challenger for ob Femi, And when somebody
2201
01:53:53.119 --> 01:53:56.600
like Femi wins the championship, you're gonna have to have
2202
01:53:56.640 --> 01:53:59.079
a long rain and you're going to make sure that
2203
01:53:59.720 --> 01:54:02.319
you have a lot of different challengers lined up. That's
2204
01:54:02.359 --> 01:54:05.239
why they heat it up, Miles born Uh and I
2205
01:54:05.239 --> 01:54:07.520
think that's why they're heating up Yoshiki and Moura. I
2206
01:54:07.520 --> 01:54:11.359
will say this, they have laid it on really thick
2207
01:54:11.399 --> 01:54:18.359
with with with video packages, with having important like great
2208
01:54:18.439 --> 01:54:22.239
Muda was on the show this week, not live, but
2209
01:54:22.680 --> 01:54:26.600
talking about how how great Ina is and h and
2210
01:54:26.640 --> 01:54:29.199
how he really has a chance in this match. He
2211
01:54:29.359 --> 01:54:35.640
and and Eosky and a couple other Noah wrestlers, one
2212
01:54:35.680 --> 01:54:39.079
of which recently was in the G One Climax in
2213
01:54:39.159 --> 01:54:41.920
New Japan because New Japan and Noah we're doing things together.
2214
01:54:43.199 --> 01:54:46.840
So that is that is a strange one on paper,
2215
01:54:46.840 --> 01:54:50.039
but I think it'll be good. Uh. Then we've got
2216
01:54:50.319 --> 01:54:52.800
the tag team match with Blake Monroe. Is that on
2217
01:54:52.840 --> 01:54:59.520
this or okay? Yep I think that that is probably
2218
01:54:59.560 --> 01:55:04.359
a chance for Monroe to turn heel. It's a it's
2219
01:55:04.399 --> 01:55:07.279
a chance for that. I don't actually think that is
2220
01:55:07.359 --> 01:55:11.560
going to be what they what they pulled the trigger on.
2221
01:55:12.239 --> 01:55:15.159
I think that Monroe is going to stay babyface, and
2222
01:55:15.199 --> 01:55:20.520
that is partially just because of the of the schedule.
2223
01:55:20.640 --> 01:55:23.199
I think that that's a lot to do storyline wise
2224
01:55:23.720 --> 01:55:27.600
heading into a match where Jacy Jane is going to
2225
01:55:27.600 --> 01:55:30.680
be challenged by Jordan Grace. But I guess that could
2226
01:55:30.680 --> 01:55:34.800
add a wrinkle to it. So there's one I was
2227
01:55:34.840 --> 01:55:36.720
going to pull off the card just because it's such
2228
01:55:36.720 --> 01:55:40.119
a strange card. I can't remember all the stuff that
2229
01:55:40.239 --> 01:55:51.039
is that is on it. Sorry, good podcasting.
2230
01:55:50.880 --> 01:55:56.479
I'll insert elevator music cards.
2231
01:55:57.000 --> 01:56:01.560
Yeah, so then we've got a soul ruka versus is
2232
01:56:01.640 --> 01:56:03.760
he Dame? Is he Dame? Is somebody that they're really
2233
01:56:03.800 --> 01:56:06.520
starting to like quite a bit more. She's not without
2234
01:56:06.560 --> 01:56:09.079
her occasional missteps in the ring, but I think that
2235
01:56:09.159 --> 01:56:13.279
she's really found herself in this heel role. She's in
2236
01:56:13.319 --> 01:56:17.680
a group called The Calling, led by Sean Spears, which
2237
01:56:17.920 --> 01:56:22.000
I know, but she has really shined since being added
2238
01:56:22.039 --> 01:56:29.199
to that. Paige and Saints, Sorry, Paigean Saints. I think
2239
01:56:29.239 --> 01:56:32.239
that could be a lot of fun in False count anywhere.
2240
01:56:32.399 --> 01:56:37.279
They've done a good job with that fewed. I was
2241
01:56:37.279 --> 01:56:40.920
surprised they pulled the championship off of Saints, but they're
2242
01:56:40.920 --> 01:56:46.000
doing what they're doing. Jasper Troy. They've just had him
2243
01:56:46.000 --> 01:56:51.600
come in and be big, so that's strange. But the
2244
01:56:51.600 --> 01:56:53.680
match with Javon Evans should be a lot of fun,
2245
01:56:54.239 --> 01:56:56.279
get a lot of movement for him.
2246
01:56:58.279 --> 01:57:05.319
Telly is losing his voice near the are Kelly and
2247
01:57:05.560 --> 01:57:10.520
then getting an allergy at that. We are hoping Kelly
2248
01:57:10.560 --> 01:57:15.039
makes it to the closing remarks. Here, okay, up, there
2249
01:57:15.119 --> 01:57:20.359
we go again. You got you got your water near
2250
01:57:20.399 --> 01:57:20.840
youa Kelly?
2251
01:57:21.920 --> 01:57:22.159
Yes?
2252
01:57:23.439 --> 01:57:26.319
And fine, yes, suddenly something has happened.
2253
01:57:27.079 --> 01:57:27.319
Yeah.
2254
01:57:27.399 --> 01:57:30.039
Then somebody said Jasper Troy sounds like a name from
2255
01:57:30.159 --> 01:57:34.800
Nicholas Cage movie. Thank you, Derek Mitchell. I was fine,
2256
01:57:34.800 --> 01:57:37.880
and I was like, oh my god, it does. Yeah,
2257
01:57:38.600 --> 01:57:42.600
oh yes, all right, well we're yeah right.
2258
01:57:42.560 --> 01:57:47.159
No, we're good. It's a The Evolution Show has a
2259
01:57:47.199 --> 01:57:49.399
little bit of an XD presence also, of course with
2260
01:57:49.520 --> 01:57:55.239
the x NXT women's title uh j C Jane and
2261
01:57:55.319 --> 01:57:57.159
Jordan Grace. Any quick thoughts on that and then we
2262
01:57:57.199 --> 01:57:59.800
will sign off. Kelly j C.
2263
01:58:00.079 --> 01:58:05.720
Jane is not championship material, but whatever, they're trying something
2264
01:58:05.760 --> 01:58:09.840
with her, and I love that they realized they wanted
2265
01:58:09.840 --> 01:58:14.119
to transition because Stephanie Vicerra was ready. There was no
2266
01:58:14.159 --> 01:58:16.000
reason to hold her back if they had something for
2267
01:58:16.039 --> 01:58:22.039
her to do. So that's cool. So by all means
2268
01:58:22.119 --> 01:58:25.279
transition to somebody weird and then see see what happened,
2269
01:58:25.279 --> 01:58:29.439
see if something sticks. And they went with jac and
2270
01:58:29.960 --> 01:58:32.359
I still don't know that she has it for sure,
2271
01:58:32.880 --> 01:58:35.920
but they've been really good at making her look like
2272
01:58:35.960 --> 01:58:42.000
a star. She's tried to. They've given her lines that
2273
01:58:42.880 --> 01:58:45.399
on paper make her more of a star. I don't
2274
01:58:45.439 --> 01:58:49.319
know that she is, but I love that they're really
2275
01:58:49.359 --> 01:58:52.439
trying this with her, and they're really committed to giving
2276
01:58:52.520 --> 01:58:56.239
everybody a fair shot before. They're giving them a chance
2277
01:58:56.279 --> 01:58:59.840
to sink or swim rather than dropping them by the way,
2278
01:59:00.720 --> 01:59:02.960
and we never see any of that. It's it's kind
2279
01:59:02.960 --> 01:59:07.039
of what I watch NXT for so and if this,
2280
01:59:08.399 --> 01:59:10.239
I don't know that Jordan is winning this because I
2281
01:59:10.239 --> 01:59:14.239
think Jordan's got one big foot in the main roster.
2282
01:59:15.079 --> 01:59:17.520
And I still think that Blake Monroe is the next
2283
01:59:17.560 --> 01:59:23.600
champion and not Jordan Grace so, and Jordan doesn't she
2284
01:59:23.640 --> 01:59:25.520
doesn't need this. She's going to be fine on the
2285
01:59:25.520 --> 01:59:29.159
main roster whether she's an NXT champion or not. So
2286
01:59:29.319 --> 01:59:32.720
I actually think that jac snakes out of this with
2287
01:59:32.840 --> 01:59:36.840
the championship one way or another, and and maybe she'll
2288
01:59:36.840 --> 01:59:37.359
grow on me.
2289
01:59:39.199 --> 01:59:41.159
Sean plitched it with the super Chet says Dark State
2290
01:59:41.199 --> 01:59:42.640
needs to go away, go VIP.
2291
01:59:43.800 --> 01:59:46.600
I mean they're mostly away now, they're barely on the show.
2292
01:59:48.479 --> 01:59:52.199
I forget about them. So, I mean they kind of
2293
01:59:52.279 --> 01:59:55.680
are away. They haven't. They've only had like three tag matches.
2294
01:59:57.399 --> 01:59:59.439
Three of the four are pretty decent on the MIC,
2295
02:00:01.159 --> 02:00:03.199
and all four are good in the ring. It's just
2296
02:00:03.319 --> 02:00:06.479
not it's not a good angle. It's not a good faction.
2297
02:00:06.880 --> 02:00:09.680
Yeah, all right, very good, Kelly, Thanks so much. It's
2298
02:00:09.680 --> 02:00:10.079
been fun.
2299
02:00:11.000 --> 02:00:15.039
Yeah. Absolutely. I look forward to having another asthma attack
2300
02:00:15.119 --> 02:00:18.800
at the end of the show next time we do this. Yeah,
2301
02:00:18.840 --> 02:00:20.000
I don't think that was it.
2302
02:00:20.159 --> 02:00:21.880
You know what you were. You were a superhero for
2303
02:00:21.920 --> 02:00:25.199
the first hour fifty minutes, and then you became human.
2304
02:00:24.600 --> 02:00:27.079
You were like Charlotte, You're being humanized right in front
2305
02:00:27.119 --> 02:00:27.239
of her.
2306
02:00:27.279 --> 02:00:27.640
There you go.
2307
02:00:27.960 --> 02:00:33.239
Yeah, the baby face turn long, last, you become relatable. Finally,
2308
02:00:33.760 --> 02:00:34.640
you're just too perfect.
2309
02:00:36.399 --> 02:00:40.239
Well I've always thought someone else I actually picked up on.
2310
02:00:40.520 --> 02:00:44.079
Yes, exactly. All right, very good. Thanks Sean for the
2311
02:00:44.079 --> 02:00:46.159
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shows where our guests will join me to talk about
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a classic bout that they were in attendance for. We
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