WWE SMACKDOWN POST-SHOW (10/9) - Wells & Corbridge talking final Money in the Bank hype, title change, Gunther decimates Danhausen, more

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You know, Eric, I had said it had been a
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while since I had started one of these, so that
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90s podcast thing. Yeah, not what I meant to hit,
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not what I meant to play, but here we are.
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We did not have each other's information before this, so
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we didn't pick up quite as quickly as we would have.
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I got stuff to do after this. I got to
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pick up my daughter after a Malcolm Todd concert.
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Oh, dang.
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So luckily... it's a go home show. So, I mean,
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what is there to say about a go home show?
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They're all the same, but we'll try to mine this
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one for gold. We'll, we'll see what it is. I'm
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filling in for Wade tonight, guys. He is he he's,
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he's about two miles away. We are basically neighbors. Our
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kids know each other and everything, but he has had
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his kids high school play. And, and so here I am. So,
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I'm Kelly Wills. You can find me all over social media.
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You know what? I'm not doing much of it. And
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except for the one site I'm doing too much, which
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is threads and threads is in that, that moment where
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it was really good. And now it's all feels like
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it's trying to be monetized, even though it's not a
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monetized site. So it's all just rage bait. You know,
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we used to have a proper internet.
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Okay.
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So Aaron, we had a main event that wasn't, but
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we're pretty used to that. Um, Trick Williams and Braun Breaker,
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two of the men who will be in the Money
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in the Bank ladder match. And just in case anybody
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thought this was going to be a normal match, they
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did say beforehand it was promoted that every guy in
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the ladder match was going to be on the show.
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We hadn't seen a couple, so we knew we were
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going to see them. This went about six minutes, maybe,
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six or seven minutes. A trick over Braun Breaker by disqualification.
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I assume this is one of the things where they
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didn't actually announce that. And The Vision, Javon Evans, Penta,
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Bronson Reed, they all got involved. It seemed like earlier
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on they were telling us the order of matches for
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the Money in the Bank show LA versus Roman to
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open women's match, money in the bank match, women's triple
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threat over versus Bronson and then men's money in the
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bank match. I think that's what they were suggesting they
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were doing with that listing. So this is going to
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be your main event tomorrow, as far as I can tell.
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So no pressure, but tell me what you thought of
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this and who's winning tomorrow.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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I mean, we came in late today, but we'll hit
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it hard. We'll hit it fast and we'll probably end
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with a schmoz too. So I thought it was a
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predictable show. To me, the most notable point in the
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show was pointing out that LA Knight versus Roman Reigns
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is going to kick off the show. That really... I
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haven't decided exactly if that's realigned with me, what I
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think will happen as the show unfolds, for one reason.
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In a pre-ESPN... WWE world, I would have assumed if
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LA Knight was leading off against Roman Reigns, he was
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not going to win the championship because they just didn't
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do that very often. And however, in today's ESPN world,
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they tend to want to kick things off with something big.
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So I don't think it automatically disqualifies him from winning
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the title anymore. I personally think that LA Knight needs
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to win the championship in this match and not in
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a future match, but we can get into that in
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a minute. As far as the men's Money in the
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Bank match goes, if you'd talked to me after the
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opening segment tonight with CM Punk, Kevin Owens, and Sami Zayn,
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and even all throughout the last couple of weeks, I
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would have said Punk and Owens have no chance to
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win this match. They don't need it and they will
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cancel each other out. And that's exactly how the opening
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segment tonight, you know, transpired. But now that we are
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certain it's the main event of the evening, I feel
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like that brings them back into the picture. I can
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see a world where punk wins the money in the
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bank and he's the first time that anyone's ever won
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it for a third time. I don't necessarily want that result,
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but I can see it as a possibility anymore. What
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do you think?
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I've got Owens winning this one. Now, I really, really
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like Owens. And truth be told, when it is time
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for me to join sports postseason pools, things like that,
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I literally just choose the team I like better in
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every case. Because in sports, there's really no way. You
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can't follow the booking. And so that's what I do.
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So that might be why I'm doing this with Owens. Uh,
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now of course it leaves us with Owens versus Sammy.
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And is that something that we should see? Uh, we
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do have some people in the chat talking about night
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versus Roman should be on last for the championship and
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everything like, and I get that. Um, I'm a bigger.
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Fan of putting the money in the bank match on last,
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but the one thing interesting about putting Roman on last
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is that, uh, now we know that nobody's cashing in
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after this match because there will be, so there'll be
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nobody to cash in on them. So that would have
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been the one interesting thing to have them do that.
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But their way is the last match. Isn't the one
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that necessarily deserves to.
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Be the last match. The last match is the one
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where they're going to do the biggest thing after the match. Uh,
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so I don't know what that thing will be, but
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I don't think this will just be one. And then
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that'll be that, uh, Yeah, and it'll be the way
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we get to Derek's comments as well. Go ahead.
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To me, there are two satisfying ways, for me, that
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the ladder match could result in. One would be Owens
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winning the Money in the Bank. And the reason I
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would enjoy that is he could be the biggest pain
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in the ass for Sammy over the next however long
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he chooses to. In fact, I would prefer if he
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purposely just tries to mess with him for months and
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months and months and has Sami on edge the entire time.
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I think that could be fun to watch. And then
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the other obvious one would be Braun Breaker winning. And
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he teased tonight that he would cash in on Sami,
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but I don't believe that for a second. I think
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what would make sense is if Obafemi wins the title
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and Breaker immediately cashes in and beats him. You know,
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I think that would make a lot of sense. I
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do think the money in the bank concept is stale
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and played out. And I'm sick of people winning like
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that because I don't think it builds credible champions. In fact,
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I think we've talked about this on air before. No
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one I don't think has named anyone outside of maybe
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Seth Rollins, who has really catapult catapulted themselves with an
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actual title reign after their money in the bank win.
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But again, I don't. I think those are the two
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options that make sense for me. Evans isn't ready yet.
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Trick isn't ready yet. And who else do we even have?
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And then I can't remember Penta. I feel like he's
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a wild card option, but he just.
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Had, I want to pick him emotionally. Right.
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Yeah. And I, I'm somebody who probably would have advocated
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that they pulled the trigger and had him win the
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title in the match he had in Mexico City. But
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I also don't think Roman Reigns needs another long title reign.
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I think it makes a lot of sense for him
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to be a champion. But I also think he can
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have bumps along the way where he loses the title.
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He could lose the title tonight and get it right
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back by Royal Rumble time if they want it to
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be that way. But I don't know if you want
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to delve into the L.A. night of it all, since
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this is a SmackDown show, but I feel very strongly.
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I won't stop you. Should go down.
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OK, my if we're going down Eric's fantasy land on
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how I want this to play out. And I've seen
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this talked about in the VIP forum. I wish I
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could give credit. who pointed it out there, but it
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was the exact same thing I've been thinking, is that
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the pieces are all in place right now that if
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the 9-4-6 come out and try to cost Roman Reigns
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the belt during the LA night match, But the Usos
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and a returning Jacob fight them off to the back.
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Then you get a mirror image of WrestleMania 39 where
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Solo comes out and costs Roman the title and then
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joins the 946. We find out this entire thing about
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the kidnapping was a charade, which, by the way, we
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never saw Solo actually get attacked. And why in the
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world would they just release him into a field or
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whatever the hell they did? But then you have Solo
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helps his buddy Knight win the title, but this is
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the exact thing that Knight doesn't want to happen. He's
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been complaining about Roman always having to win with interference,
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and then it would be so ironic that Knight would
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win the title with interference. And then you would have
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so much to play off of, it would set you
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on the path towards war games, and they would have
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so much to build from, including having Knight being conflicted.
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So I just think that would be the perfect place
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to go. It would solidify all this wishy-washy, who's a babyface,
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who's a heel, who's this, who's that. It would get
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it all solidified in time for War Games. Do I
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think they're going to do this? Probably not. They're probably
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going to have Roman win, something shady is going to happen,
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and then there'll be Fallout on Monday night when they
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have the six-man tag match, but... I prefer my way.
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I don't know what anybody else thinks though.
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I just think Roman is that guy where not only
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is LA Knight maybe not big enough to win it
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from him, the Money in the Bank show might not
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be big enough for him to lose it at. I
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just feel like they got him to a point where they've,
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I don't have another word besides deified the man. And,
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and he's on such a level that I just don't,
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I find it hard to buy that he would lose at,
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at another spot. They are kind of retelling the story
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they told a few years ago. There's, there's different pieces
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on the chessboard, but we're playing the same game. And
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so it's, Honestly, when time came for the Royal Rumble,
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I didn't even really consider him because I was like,
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Roman doesn't need any more championships. I foolishly thought like
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maybe he won't he won't have any more just because
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he doesn't need any more. He can be a big,
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big deal. And wrestling him can be a big deal.
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Whether he's whether he's championed. Or not, but that's not
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the way they went.
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Yeah, it really felt like it was supposed to be
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the Roman redemption tour where he was going to defend
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his title several times without needing interference to help him.
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And he has done that to a large degree, but
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he's such an a-hole about it, it just doesn't matter.
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He can't be a babyface. And it's just not going
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to work. And I think they have realized that. I
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do trust that they've realized that now.
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Yeah, and the funny thing about it is the man...
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just doesn't make a great baby face on screen um
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but is reportedly just one of the nicest guys in
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wrestling um it's just it's so bizarre uh that guy
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goes out there and he's like evil is the way
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to go um but yeah.
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I don't know if you saw that video he sent
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to a kid that was being bullied just in the
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last couple days oh you.
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Know what i knew that it happened but i didn't
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check it out yeah.
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It was really nice. I don't know if anyone's seen it,
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but it was a really nice video where he just
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kind of gave the kid a pep talk. And, you know,
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I assume it wasn't a paid-for cameo. That would change things,
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but I don't think that's what it was.
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Yes, it would. And I think they got that little
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watermark in the corner so you know whether it's cameo. Yeah.
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Derek Mitchell, thanks for always backing the torch. He came
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at us with this comment. Most wrestlers featured on tonight's show,
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with the exception of Jade, Truth, and Danhausen, spent time
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in developmental... such as Cody Punk, The Miz, and Nikki
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Bella in FCW or in NXT. Yeah, I.
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It took some time for it to look like NXT
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was definitely, definitely something that was creating new stars. It really,
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really took time. And of course it did. They didn't know.
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I.
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Mean, this is the stuff we never see, right? These...
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people are at levels we didn't, we didn't use to
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see NXT and we sure as hell didn't use to
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see evolve. I watch evolve and there are people who
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are not ready, maybe even for evolve, but you gotta
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kind of start somewhere. Uh, and they have championships. And
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I think people ask sometimes why are there championships on
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these shows? It's because you've got to get comfortable. You
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gotta know how to be a champion. You gotta know
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how to be a challenger. Uh, so even people who
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should be champion, they'll, have them lose the belt and
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then for a long time chase because they got to
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figure out that. So there are a lot of great reasons.
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Now there are a lot of ways in now you've
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got LFG, you've got Evolve, you've got, and then you've
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got NXT, which is where you're trying to find your
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final form. And some people are in that space. Like
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Jada Parker was trying to find her final form for,
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for probably two years. I thought she was, Well, good
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and ready, but they decided to hold her back, and
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I dare say they made a big, big impact with
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finally bringing her into the fold, so that's very cool.
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And then, you know, the Easter egg of her sharing
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her first scene with Jay was kind of fun. Yeah,
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it was good. For those of us in the know.
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But yes, for those of us who have seen every
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episode of NXT, it was almost obvious that she was
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going to join 946 just because I knew she had
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been in a faction with Bronco and Lucien. So it
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was cool for me, even though I thought that's probably
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where it was headed. Anything else on what Derek said here?
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No, I think it's great. I mean, NXT, you know,
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it can expose people. some of these talents to a
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bigger audience, maybe when they're not ready for it yet.
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But I think by and large, someone who's going to
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watch a show like NXT is going to be forgiving
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and understanding of that. And they're going to appreciate watching
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this talent grow and LA. And to be fair, if
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you watched the six woman tag match tonight, you're still
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seeing some of these people grow because they, that was
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a bit of a sloppy match at times. And some
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of the psychology was a little bit off. I don't
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understand why you would, it really, it was unsettling to
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me that, uh, what was it? Perez goes to make
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a tag and the two baby faces drop off the apron. Uh,
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and then later it's, doing that in return. I'm like,
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I'm pretty sure you guys should flip that because you
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just look like a whole baby faces by not letting
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your partner tag out. You're supposed to be honorable and
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wanting to win the match, but instead you just don't
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want to tag her because you don't like her. It
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makes you look petty. But if she did it first,
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then she's the heel and she looks petty. And then
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you could either not tag her the next time she
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wants to tag out to teach her a little bit
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of a lesson or be the bigger person and Tag
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in anyway because you want to win the match. Some
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of these, they're still learning as they go, but that's
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part of the fun, I think, is to watch them
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grow and learn. It is nice to see. It's nice
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to see everybody on these shows that have gotten this far.
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Tag yourself in by punching them in the face or
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just slapping them on the back way harder than you
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have to than sharing a moment with them like Yeah,
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that's perfect.
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That's a much better way to do it.
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Going into a business.
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And they didn't get the reaction they wanted because of
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it from the crowd. The crowd just kind of sat
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on their hands for both spots. They could have had
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a bigger reaction if they'd done it in reverse.
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When the baby faces jumped off, I even thought I
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maybe detected just a tiny bit of people going like,
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come on, or just not much of a boo, but
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just like, hey, why are you doing that?
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It was interesting that I did appreciate that they, instead
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of having the heels versus the baby faces, they had
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it as raw versus SmackDown. I thought that made sense,
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especially with the argument before between peers and all this.
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And I thought that stuff was interesting, but you know,
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at least they went that way instead of just, they
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had a reason for having people team with who they did.
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And that's nice to see. Right.
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And, uh, and Kyle, Pete in the chat did just
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ask that. Why wasn't all the heels on a team
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and all the faces on a team? And I think
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it was because they could do so many different dynamics. Yeah.
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That's why. So they could do that. The heels and
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faces would have been– you know, it would have been 3-3.
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It would have worked. But, yeah, it was so they
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could do these– moments that they wanted to do. So
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that was your opener. It was your longest match. 11 minutes,
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13 seconds is where I got it. Lash, the dreaded
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scorer of the pin here, which means can't win tomorrow.
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Wouldn't think so.
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Right.
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And Sol Ruka, was it Sol Ruka who ate the
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pin on this thing? Yeah, I think it was.
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She did get pinned.
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Yes.
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She missed, she hit this, uh, the soul snatcher on
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her partner. And then she got hit with the lash extension.
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And we could fill a book with the way Ruka
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has been, um, has been presented and, uh, and booked
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and stop started. Uh, I won't do that unless you're
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feeling the need, but Stratton Jane legend over vice Ruka Perez. Um,
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the difference between the best and worst spots in this
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match were just wild. Um, For me, the cleanest one
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throughout was probably Roxy. JC is very good too. And
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she took a really long time to develop. She was
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not that girl when she started. She was rough. But yeah,
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it was... And Lash, getting it again. She took a really,
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really long time to... find her way in NXT, a
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very long time before they'd even give her a match
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over five minutes long. And it kind of feels like
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she sort of restarted on the main roster to me.
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Hey, everyone. Longtime PWTorch columnist Sean Radican here to let
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But we did get a chance to see them tangle,
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so no pressure. But who's winning this tomorrow? And any
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other thoughts on this match?
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Well, there's the actual prediction is tough. I think if
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I had to predict, I'm going to go with Stratton,
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which feels like kind of the obvious pick, just because
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of the built-in potential with her and Green to have
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some storyline. I feel like Roxanne Perez is very possible.
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I'm so kind of bored of the Judgment Day, though.
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I'm not really excited for Roxanne Perez, you know, arguing
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with Raquel and Liv about who should cash in and
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what they should do and lives living in fear. And
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I'm just not really up for it. I don't know.
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I guess I'm going with Stratton. What do you think?
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I was leaning Perez again. I have outed that. I
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just kind of go for who I like. I like
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the talent in this match quite a bit. I think
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there are good things about all of them. I was
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deeply critical of many of them early on in their
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days and, in NXT. They all had things to overcome.
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Ruka Weiss, Legend Jane, they were all, they all came
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in with a long way to go. Roxy came in
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with a way to go, but not nearly as much
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of a way to go as the others. Young though
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she was, she kind of knew it and had been
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doing it elsewhere, so she kind of got it. And
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Tiffany got it quickly in NXT. She just became a
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small fish in a big pond when she jumped up,
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so there was that she is my, well, I can't
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call her a dark horse cause it would make sense. But, um,
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but I was going, you know, I chose Perez in
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part because she's a heel and both women's champions are
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baby face, but, uh, kind of wasn't thinking about the
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whole Tiffany Stratton's on the verge of, um, of going
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heel at say at some point before years end, I think.
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Uh, yeah. Uh, And she probably needs to be because
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her personality just doesn't lend itself to being a babyface. However,
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I'm always wanting to see them zag when they normally zig.
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And I think it would be much more impactful if
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Stratton did win the money in the bank and then
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repeatedly chose not to cash in on Green and ended
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up cashing in on the other champion at some point.
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I think that would really be an interesting moment to
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solidify that Stratton-Green bond and friendship that's happened.
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I just.
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it's difficult because she is a little miscast as a
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baby face. And I've been a very, if anyone's read
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my reports, I'm very critical of Stratton in a lot
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of ways, but I will give her some credit because
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I think now that she's been back for however many
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months now since her injury, she has started to find
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her timing again. And she's been much more passable in
476
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:54.109
the rain than she was for her first few months
477
00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:56.329
back when it was just, I was, I was afraid
478
00:25:56.369 --> 00:25:58.230
she was going to get hurt or hurt someone else,
479
00:25:58.710 --> 00:26:01.190
but she's gotten much better over the last couple of months.
480
00:26:03.049 --> 00:26:08.609
Yeah, I've mentioned this before, but she also lives a
481
00:26:08.630 --> 00:26:11.390
little further from me than Wade, but that's about it.
482
00:26:11.490 --> 00:26:15.430
She's very much a local girl here. Never run into her,
483
00:26:15.509 --> 00:26:18.549
but it's a small enough city that I could. So
484
00:26:18.829 --> 00:26:21.829
I'm always cheering for her to do better, and even
485
00:26:21.890 --> 00:26:23.930
in segments where I think she's out of her depth.
486
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:30.099
And as you say, obviously, Miss Cass, this is, as
487
00:26:30.140 --> 00:26:33.779
we said with William Regal, she's born naughty. She's she's
488
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:39.279
supposed to be on that side of the ledger. And
489
00:26:39.339 --> 00:26:42.900
I think we'll be satisfied once she is again, because
490
00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:45.640
her first heel run on the main roster, I felt
491
00:26:45.700 --> 00:26:48.119
like they did not do that long enough. I think
492
00:26:48.140 --> 00:26:51.440
they just got greedy and just thought maybe they could
493
00:26:51.460 --> 00:26:53.420
print money with her. And I thought it was too
494
00:26:53.460 --> 00:26:56.470
much too soon. Asking so much of her.
495
00:26:57.130 --> 00:26:59.269
Yeah, it really felt and correct me if you disagree that.
496
00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:01.980
It felt to me that when she got brought up
497
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.700
and she was successful in her heel roll right away,
498
00:27:06.069 --> 00:27:10.349
some people in the back, their eyes got big and said, oh, white,
499
00:27:10.430 --> 00:27:13.809
good looking blonde woman getting over. Let's push her to
500
00:27:13.849 --> 00:27:15.349
the moon now as a baby face and see what
501
00:27:15.390 --> 00:27:17.450
we can do. And they didn't realize that they were
502
00:27:17.490 --> 00:27:21.009
miscasting her. And with her being a baby face, like
503
00:27:21.029 --> 00:27:23.630
I said, it hasn't been as bad over the last
504
00:27:23.650 --> 00:27:26.750
couple of months. but she's lost that presence that she
505
00:27:26.809 --> 00:27:29.549
had as a heel that frankly, someone like JC Jane
506
00:27:29.589 --> 00:27:33.319
has developed. She's developed this presence as a heel that
507
00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:35.059
someone like Stratton doesn't have right now. And I would
508
00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:37.339
argue something like that. Sol Ruka doesn't have as a
509
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:40.000
baby face. She has an interesting look, but she doesn't
510
00:27:40.019 --> 00:27:42.200
have the presence that it's like bringing it into a
511
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:45.519
full developed picture that people can really get behind.
512
00:27:45.539 --> 00:27:50.819
I feel like you're reading straight out of so much
513
00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:53.559
of what I said about her in NXT covering that
514
00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:57.529
every week, how, She looked the part, walked the part,
515
00:27:57.730 --> 00:28:02.049
acted the part, but just something was kind of hollow.
516
00:28:02.630 --> 00:28:07.049
And she would have so many little mental mistakes. And
517
00:28:07.089 --> 00:28:12.039
I brought this up a lot, but it's relevant here.
518
00:28:13.259 --> 00:28:16.380
Like she was outside the ring once when she was
519
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:21.539
teaming with Zarya. Zarya was facing some heel and the
520
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:25.400
crowd started chanting, this is awesome. And Sol Ruka started
521
00:28:25.460 --> 00:28:28.680
chanting it with the crowd started chanting. This is awesome.
522
00:28:28.740 --> 00:28:32.799
And it's like, you're supposed to want Zarya to win.
523
00:28:32.819 --> 00:28:35.180
You're not supposed to be getting into the quality of
524
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:37.519
the match. Like by all means gas her up when
525
00:28:37.539 --> 00:28:39.819
you get backstage, like you two are huge. You're huge.
526
00:28:40.769 --> 00:28:42.750
But yeah, out there in front of us, she's just
527
00:28:42.809 --> 00:28:47.650
supposed to be team Zarya. And so little moments like that,
528
00:28:47.710 --> 00:28:55.200
you're wondering, does she have, the capacity to really get this, like,
529
00:28:56.220 --> 00:28:58.779
and they hope they do. They hope that can be
530
00:28:59.380 --> 00:29:02.440
learned along the way that you're a wrestling savant, even though,
531
00:29:04.299 --> 00:29:06.819
you know, you have, well, I don't want to say
532
00:29:06.859 --> 00:29:13.980
something mean. I feel like it's all laid out there.
533
00:29:14.619 --> 00:29:17.390
I'm on her side. I want her to do well.
534
00:29:17.750 --> 00:29:22.369
I just feel like she's so close and, and so many,
535
00:29:23.259 --> 00:29:26.019
so many workers would kill to be as close as
536
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:32.250
she is to really, really breaking through. And yeah, you
537
00:29:32.269 --> 00:29:36.829
just want that little bit more out of her. Uh,
538
00:29:36.890 --> 00:29:42.099
the CM Punk, Kevin Owens, Sammy Zane bit in on the, uh,
539
00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:46.339
on the ladders were the ladders too much or were
540
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:50.019
they the right amount? They kind of do this most,
541
00:29:50.099 --> 00:29:53.289
if not all years, they'll have a conversation up on
542
00:29:53.329 --> 00:29:57.910
top of the ladders. Uh, And so we kind of
543
00:29:57.950 --> 00:30:00.009
see it coming. That was even mentioned in the chat.
544
00:30:00.029 --> 00:30:05.430
Somebody said we got our yearly whatever they said. But
545
00:30:05.750 --> 00:30:08.769
I thought the content here was good enough that it
546
00:30:08.809 --> 00:30:12.930
was fine. And, hey, it's a different look than the
547
00:30:13.009 --> 00:30:16.970
same three guys standing in a triangle that we usually get.
548
00:30:17.109 --> 00:30:20.849
So I liked that. I also liked that Sammy was
549
00:30:21.210 --> 00:30:25.420
forced onto the lower one. because his character never gets respect.
550
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:28.500
So it was absolutely perfect that once again, he had
551
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:30.640
to talk up to these guys, even when he's got
552
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:36.170
the belt to hold over their heads. Sammy is what
553
00:30:36.210 --> 00:30:38.849
this needed. Yeah. I love that.
554
00:30:38.890 --> 00:30:42.430
There's plausible deniability. Like if you're going to, if Sammy
555
00:30:42.450 --> 00:30:45.190
was going to try to point fingers at, Aldis or
556
00:30:45.490 --> 00:30:48.049
some official for putting three ladders in the ring that
557
00:30:48.069 --> 00:30:51.190
weren't the same height they can just say what we
558
00:30:51.230 --> 00:30:53.069
didn't know anyone was going to climb the ladders even
559
00:30:53.089 --> 00:30:55.279
though that was your thing and why'd you come out
560
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:57.519
last then you had every opportunity you could have come
561
00:30:57.579 --> 00:31:00.160
out first like this isn't supposed to be scripted you
562
00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:04.500
know so it's like it's he can be mad about
563
00:31:04.539 --> 00:31:07.380
it but there's always a loophole on both sides so
564
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:10.279
I it's fun Sammy is what we all deserve so
565
00:31:11.509 --> 00:31:15.250
I was talking with Crofton in the VIP forum, in
566
00:31:15.630 --> 00:31:18.049
case anyone hasn't been there yet. It's a lot of fun.
567
00:31:18.069 --> 00:31:22.549
We were talking about how what SmackDown could use is
568
00:31:22.589 --> 00:31:26.150
a Bloodline 2.0, which I know sounds very triggering at
569
00:31:26.490 --> 00:31:30.609
first glance or at first mention. But can you imagine
570
00:31:30.650 --> 00:31:34.019
a world where Sammy, he already has Gargano kind of
571
00:31:34.059 --> 00:31:39.430
in his clutches to a degree. But imagine Sammy thinks
572
00:31:39.450 --> 00:31:43.119
he's forming a group around himself to protect his title reign.
573
00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:47.240
And he thinks of himself as a new Roman Reigns.
574
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.140
But the difference is, none of the people that are
575
00:31:50.180 --> 00:31:53.059
following him have the respect for him that everyone had
576
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:55.799
for Roman. They're all just kind of using Sami because
577
00:31:55.819 --> 00:31:57.200
they want to get close to him to try to
578
00:31:57.259 --> 00:32:01.079
elevate themselves and get a title shot. But all the while,
579
00:32:01.140 --> 00:32:04.190
Sami's getting full of himself and thinking, you know, oh,
580
00:32:04.220 --> 00:32:06.440
I've got this whole group. I've got Gargano. And we
581
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:09.589
talked about maybe Ricky Saints could join that group. And
582
00:32:09.609 --> 00:32:12.009
can you imagine when Sammy comes out and.
583
00:32:12.049 --> 00:32:14.430
Carmelo needs something to do.
584
00:32:14.470 --> 00:32:17.349
Carmelo's another perfect one. Can you imagine when he comes
585
00:32:17.410 --> 00:32:20.829
out and tells them to acknowledge me to Gargano and
586
00:32:20.890 --> 00:32:24.490
Saints and all these guys? Sammy would find the way
587
00:32:24.509 --> 00:32:27.269
to make this the perfect... The way he says it
588
00:32:27.289 --> 00:32:33.609
would be the perfect amount of insecurity, yet confidence, yet
589
00:32:34.109 --> 00:32:38.529
demanding that they respect him. And it'd be... I just
590
00:32:38.549 --> 00:32:41.509
think they could go down such a path where he's given,
591
00:32:41.950 --> 00:32:44.529
they could almost replay the bloodline to some degree, some
592
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:46.779
of the key moments where he could try to give
593
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:50.220
somebody a shirt that says like honorary good guy or
594
00:32:50.259 --> 00:32:53.119
something like that. And it would just be amazing. It
595
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:56.599
would be everything that a bloodline redo could have been
596
00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:59.079
instead of what they've been trying to do on Raw.
597
00:32:59.980 --> 00:33:01.799
With the piece being that Sami was always such a
598
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:04.349
heart of all of that. So I don't know. I
599
00:33:04.349 --> 00:33:05.630
think it'd be a lot of fun. It could give
600
00:33:05.650 --> 00:33:07.990
them another way to protect Sammy's title reign for the
601
00:33:08.029 --> 00:33:10.789
next six months if they wanted to. And it would
602
00:33:10.809 --> 00:33:13.410
build so many challengers for him. And it would also
603
00:33:13.450 --> 00:33:16.059
give them something very distinctly different than what's happening on Raw.
604
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:20.140
You can elevate those guys.
605
00:33:20.740 --> 00:33:21.099
Yeah.
606
00:33:21.420 --> 00:33:24.779
And then imagine when Sammy confronts Roman. And what Roman
607
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:27.529
has to say about all this, there's so much they
608
00:33:27.549 --> 00:33:30.109
could tell. Uh, I'm hoping they have some of this
609
00:33:30.130 --> 00:33:32.910
stuff in mind. Like I'm not a genius. Like it's just,
610
00:33:33.289 --> 00:33:35.750
these things are things they've set up and I'm just
611
00:33:35.789 --> 00:33:37.690
hoping they kind of knock down those pins. Cause I
612
00:33:37.750 --> 00:33:40.559
think between that and what they could do with LA night,
613
00:33:40.579 --> 00:33:42.319
they could give us a lot of really good stories
614
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:45.690
moving forward. And it's because they set it up.
615
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:53.220
Yeah, that's true. Um, And I hope you're reading this right, too,
616
00:33:53.259 --> 00:33:57.200
because I'd be interested in all that very much. So
617
00:33:57.619 --> 00:33:59.359
let's let's hope maybe that's true.
618
00:34:01.349 --> 00:34:03.309
You know, that last segment you're just listening to and
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632
00:34:46.389 --> 00:34:52.090
Anything on the tag teams involved? We got MFT versus
633
00:34:52.309 --> 00:34:57.329
War Raiders, and then Bok Sai kind of hanging out. MFT,
634
00:34:57.409 --> 00:35:04.119
this is non-title, but MFT still wins this after interference.
635
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:07.219
I wouldn't say it goes wrong, but MFT gets it
636
00:35:07.300 --> 00:35:14.340
back because Haku is a mean bastard. So I don't know.
637
00:35:14.489 --> 00:35:18.170
I don't know. they gave away too many of their
638
00:35:18.190 --> 00:35:21.789
tag teams and they kind of are stripped down. There
639
00:35:21.849 --> 00:35:23.869
was a lot of that. There's a, there's a dusty
640
00:35:23.909 --> 00:35:26.190
classic going on in NXT right now. So if anybody
641
00:35:26.230 --> 00:35:28.630
who's not watching NXT, it is down to eight teams.
642
00:35:28.909 --> 00:35:32.639
It's it's kind of getting there to to the last bit.
643
00:35:32.699 --> 00:35:36.880
So that's been fun. And there are a lot of
644
00:35:36.900 --> 00:35:39.739
teams that are good enough to, to go up together.
645
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:45.079
But yeah, Even though this is only three teams involved,
646
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:49.199
it did seem like it was, it's something. It is
647
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:52.780
something for the tag division. And it's a story with
648
00:35:52.980 --> 00:35:57.130
multiple tag teams in it. Anything on this one, seven minutes,
649
00:35:57.130 --> 00:36:01.190
55 seconds, Brothers Keeper, Tama Tonga pins Eric.
650
00:36:02.309 --> 00:36:04.030
Yeah, I enjoyed it for what it was. It was
651
00:36:04.070 --> 00:36:07.889
hard hitting. I generally enjoy any match that Tom is in.
652
00:36:07.929 --> 00:36:09.670
I think his stuff looks good and it's really crisp.
653
00:36:11.610 --> 00:36:14.650
Tala to me is at least passable like I don't
654
00:36:14.670 --> 00:36:16.929
think he does anything to embarrass himself out there.
655
00:36:16.750 --> 00:36:21.869
I watch every New Japan show and I've seen hundreds
656
00:36:21.929 --> 00:36:25.329
of his matches literally hundreds and it took him a
657
00:36:25.369 --> 00:36:28.170
long time a long time there's a reason he was
658
00:36:28.250 --> 00:36:30.650
off TV when they first hired him but he is
659
00:36:30.690 --> 00:36:33.849
kind of looking again mistake free go.
660
00:36:33.739 --> 00:36:36.570
Ahead Yeah, and Haku does give them a sense of
661
00:36:36.610 --> 00:36:39.190
credibility because he's a known tough guy, and now he's
662
00:36:39.210 --> 00:36:40.690
got his magic walking stick or.
663
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:41.260
Whatever it is.
664
00:36:43.059 --> 00:36:46.360
I like it. I just wish they would double the
665
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:48.239
amount of tag teams they had on the show because
666
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:49.960
I think they could really have a strong division if
667
00:36:49.980 --> 00:36:50.519
they wanted to.
668
00:36:50.539 --> 00:36:55.309
Yeah, and I'm hopeful that that day is coming just
669
00:36:55.349 --> 00:37:00.030
because of the amount of talent on NXT. But some
670
00:37:00.070 --> 00:37:03.840
of it is really unlikely. noam dar who is not
671
00:37:03.860 --> 00:37:05.599
a young man anymore i still think of him as
672
00:37:05.699 --> 00:37:08.130
one because he came in young but he's not uh
673
00:37:08.730 --> 00:37:11.570
he's teaming with romeo moreno one of the youngest guys
674
00:37:11.949 --> 00:37:14.150
on the roster and the team is just gold it's
675
00:37:14.289 --> 00:37:17.289
super fun i actually think they're going to win the
676
00:37:17.309 --> 00:37:21.320
tournament uh although somebody snuck their way into the second
677
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.400
round this time so this last week but i won't
678
00:37:24.420 --> 00:37:28.989
get bogged down in that uh But it seems like
679
00:37:29.030 --> 00:37:31.809
you don't run that unless you want to strengthen the
680
00:37:31.849 --> 00:37:35.289
tag team division. So it seems like every time right
681
00:37:35.489 --> 00:37:39.909
after they cut off that division at the knees, they're like, oh, wait,
682
00:37:40.110 --> 00:37:44.369
we need them. We need tag teams that are credible,
683
00:37:44.630 --> 00:37:48.250
and they start putting them together. So hopefully that's where
684
00:37:48.289 --> 00:37:50.150
we are with this.
685
00:37:50.789 --> 00:37:53.650
Okay. Okay.
686
00:37:54.059 --> 00:37:57.940
New women's tag team champions, Alexa Bliss and Tatum Paxley.
687
00:38:01.610 --> 00:38:03.849
Charlotte got hurt in this thing. Can you still hear me?
688
00:38:03.909 --> 00:38:04.570
I cannot hear you.
689
00:38:04.610 --> 00:38:05.679
Yeah, I got you. I can hear you.
690
00:38:05.710 --> 00:38:06.829
Something is wrong on my end.
691
00:38:09.570 --> 00:38:09.869
Okay.
692
00:38:10.090 --> 00:38:16.190
Okay. We're good again. Okay. So Charlotte beaten down, can't
693
00:38:16.369 --> 00:38:20.150
perform in this match, but Tatum Paxley is ends up
694
00:38:20.190 --> 00:38:22.690
scoring the pin with the cemetery drive. One of my
695
00:38:22.730 --> 00:38:26.210
favorite finishers, um, just from a, how the hell is
696
00:38:26.250 --> 00:38:29.650
that done standpoint? Like on the hundredth time, it'll make
697
00:38:29.710 --> 00:38:32.409
sense to me, but like in my head, I kind
698
00:38:32.469 --> 00:38:34.809
of know what's happening, but I do need to see it.
699
00:38:34.929 --> 00:38:38.289
I just don't know how you get in position and
700
00:38:38.369 --> 00:38:43.030
taking that move has to be kind of a weird, um,
701
00:38:43.110 --> 00:38:45.860
just a weird kind of like a, I don't know
702
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:50.679
about as strong as a destroyer, but, um, But I wonder,
703
00:38:50.699 --> 00:38:52.489
you know what, I'm going to have to watch the
704
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:57.909
extensive research tonight. But new tag team champions and the question,
705
00:38:58.809 --> 00:39:01.349
of course, is what this does to Charlotte. Because if
706
00:39:01.409 --> 00:39:03.789
Charlotte is just going to turn heel again real quick,
707
00:39:05.219 --> 00:39:11.119
then what was it all for? Sure. But I've seen
708
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:13.360
this story before many, many times. I've been a wrestling
709
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:16.219
fan since 1990. How else does this end, Eric?
710
00:39:17.179 --> 00:39:17.409
Well.
711
00:39:19.449 --> 00:39:21.909
For what it's worth, I thought tonight's story was told
712
00:39:22.010 --> 00:39:28.429
very well. From the attack to Bliss initially, because Aldis
713
00:39:28.489 --> 00:39:32.599
wanted to postpone the match, and Bliss wanted to postpone
714
00:39:32.619 --> 00:39:35.239
the match, but Flair was the one who said Bliss
715
00:39:35.260 --> 00:39:37.900
should take her place and was adamant about it. So
716
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:40.559
Flair really technically has no one to blame but herself,
717
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:43.739
and of course the baddies that beat her up. So
718
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:47.159
I thought they played that really well. I think there's
719
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:48.900
a chance that they could.
720
00:39:50.349 --> 00:39:53.309
Just use this as a way to get Flair back
721
00:39:53.369 --> 00:39:57.389
into contention for singles titles and leave Bliss and Paxley
722
00:39:57.449 --> 00:40:00.340
as the tag champions because they do look like a
723
00:40:00.420 --> 00:40:03.719
better team together anyway. And they can move on to
724
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:06.840
defend the tag titles and get involved with whomever. And
725
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:09.679
then Flair's freed up again. I don't think they necessarily
726
00:40:09.739 --> 00:40:11.659
have to go the route that Flair turns on them now.
727
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:14.179
She could legitimately just be happy for them and move
728
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:17.489
on to some singles matches. So that's me being optimistic.
729
00:40:18.070 --> 00:40:19.110
So I hope that's what happens.
730
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:30.679
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Thank you as always, Derek. With Alexa Bliss and Tatum
745
00:41:23.389 --> 00:41:26.110
Paxley winning the tag team championship, the titles have changed
746
00:41:26.150 --> 00:41:30.440
hands 40 times since 2019, which is the most of
747
00:41:30.500 --> 00:41:34.840
any title in wrestling. Oh, that was seven years ago. Yeah.
748
00:41:35.659 --> 00:41:38.139
Name your top three women's champs.
749
00:41:39.610 --> 00:41:40.510
Yeah, right.
750
00:41:40.570 --> 00:41:44.210
Name your top three women's tag title reigns. Who are
751
00:41:44.230 --> 00:41:47.610
the greatest tag team champions of all time?
752
00:41:49.389 --> 00:41:51.429
Did the Iconics ever get to win them, or did
753
00:41:51.469 --> 00:41:52.809
they have to end up losing?
754
00:41:52.829 --> 00:41:54.869
They definitely won them. I know they won them at WrestleMania.
755
00:41:55.510 --> 00:41:55.809
Yeah.
756
00:41:56.269 --> 00:42:00.130
Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they had the weird one
757
00:42:00.170 --> 00:42:04.630
with Bayley and Sasha, where what we heard was that
758
00:42:05.869 --> 00:42:08.639
they were mad that they had to lose the championships,
759
00:42:08.699 --> 00:42:10.500
but I think all that was like grain of salt.
760
00:42:11.380 --> 00:42:13.579
If I remember correctly, that's where the Iconics won, right?
761
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:16.559
They beat Bayley and Sasha at WrestleMania.
762
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:17.800
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
763
00:42:17.820 --> 00:42:18.840
If I remember correctly.
764
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.639
Okay, so I guess I've got one moment in time
765
00:42:23.309 --> 00:42:28.150
from which I can pull from these championships. You know,
766
00:42:28.170 --> 00:42:30.869
what's funny is that 40 times over the course of
767
00:42:30.949 --> 00:42:35.969
seven years is five and a half times. Like every
768
00:42:36.050 --> 00:42:42.039
championship changed hands more than that in 1999 and 2000.
769
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:44.940
If there was a championship match on TV, you knew
770
00:42:45.019 --> 00:42:47.639
it was changing hands, which is just a different kind
771
00:42:48.059 --> 00:42:52.280
of predictable. And it didn't seem like, it didn't seem
772
00:42:52.300 --> 00:42:55.860
like Vince Russo understood that if you do it every time,
773
00:42:56.139 --> 00:42:58.820
that's just as predictable as if you do it never.
774
00:43:00.050 --> 00:43:04.929
But that was, that was his thing. So I still think,
775
00:43:05.230 --> 00:43:08.429
you know, if any, if any title has to move
776
00:43:08.469 --> 00:43:10.809
around more than any, it might as well be that
777
00:43:10.949 --> 00:43:13.389
one because they are trying to use those belts and
778
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:18.659
to elevate more women to be ready for world championships
779
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:22.199
and secondary championships, which now that they have, uh, which
780
00:43:22.260 --> 00:43:25.679
makes sense to have because of the, just because of
781
00:43:25.739 --> 00:43:27.059
the large number of women they have.
782
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:30.050
Were the Kabuki warriors, maybe the best. I don't know.
783
00:43:30.070 --> 00:43:31.969
I'm really trying to like rack.
784
00:43:32.070 --> 00:43:35.150
I mean, they were my favorite, but I'm more or
785
00:43:35.210 --> 00:43:43.090
less in love with Oscar. So I going to say that. So, um, yeah, they, they,
786
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:49.059
They certainly had some of the best stories that came
787
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:50.480
out of them and some of the best.
788
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:51.099
I don't know.
789
00:43:52.099 --> 00:43:52.659
They're such good.
790
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:54.900
Those had two different stints as a tag team.
791
00:43:56.500 --> 00:44:04.610
Yeah, right. Yeah, pre and post the first long exit
792
00:44:05.030 --> 00:44:08.849
that Kairi had because she was getting married and doing
793
00:44:08.869 --> 00:44:13.269
the whole family thing before... unpredictably to me going back
794
00:44:13.309 --> 00:44:15.829
to wrestling i i thought maybe she was done um
795
00:44:16.429 --> 00:44:21.920
yeah yeah in japan for a long time women that
796
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:25.579
were 28 30 they were long in the tooth they
797
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:30.219
retired they've been wrestling since they were 14 um if
798
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:34.079
you watch the the equivalent of young lions in stardom
799
00:44:35.349 --> 00:44:38.909
they're so young. You're just like, why aren't you in
800
00:44:38.949 --> 00:44:43.139
junior high? What are you doing in this ring? It's just,
801
00:44:43.500 --> 00:44:48.039
it's just weird. Um, pile driver Pete goes with lay cool. Um,
802
00:44:49.059 --> 00:44:51.710
that's going back too far for championships, but they would
803
00:44:51.730 --> 00:44:52.690
have been, they would have been.
804
00:44:52.869 --> 00:44:55.369
Oh, they definitely would have been. Yep. They were the
805
00:44:55.389 --> 00:44:56.289
fellas of their day.
806
00:44:56.309 --> 00:45:03.170
Um, um, Let's see. Danhausen versus Gunther was the match
807
00:45:03.210 --> 00:45:05.429
that didn't happen. So there was a lot of chatter
808
00:45:05.469 --> 00:45:08.449
about this before we figured out how to get this
809
00:45:08.630 --> 00:45:15.250
show started. But listen, I get why Gunther and Danhausen
810
00:45:15.289 --> 00:45:20.050
shouldn't be sharing the screen often. But you got to
811
00:45:20.090 --> 00:45:23.380
have stuff for people to do that are important. Like
812
00:45:23.409 --> 00:45:26.639
Gunther is important to the top of the card, even
813
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:29.860
though he's not like right there right now. And Dan Housen,
814
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:31.820
you got to put on TV because he's your biggest
815
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:35.440
merch seller. You literally have to do something with him. Um,
816
00:45:36.300 --> 00:45:38.969
and so you gotta, gotta do something. And this got
817
00:45:39.030 --> 00:45:41.449
us one step closer to Finn Balor. So I get it.
818
00:45:41.550 --> 00:45:44.070
I get that these are not two guys that normally
819
00:45:44.110 --> 00:45:50.239
should share the screen, but when Guther just totally decimates him,
820
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:53.159
just totally destroys him. I don't know. For me, that
821
00:45:53.179 --> 00:45:58.460
kind of justifies the fact that they did this at all. So, um,
822
00:45:59.909 --> 00:46:01.849
Not mad at the folks who don't want to see
823
00:46:01.889 --> 00:46:06.610
this happen, but I think folks, I think it's over.
824
00:46:06.889 --> 00:46:10.889
I think it's over unless there's a curse to be laid.
825
00:46:10.909 --> 00:46:14.829
There's definitely a curse to be laid. It's going to
826
00:46:14.849 --> 00:46:17.750
happen during the Balor-Gunther match probably. I just hope it
827
00:46:17.789 --> 00:46:20.630
doesn't happen before it so we know that the outcome
828
00:46:20.670 --> 00:46:24.909
is obvious. Not only did I not have a problem
829
00:46:24.929 --> 00:46:27.380
with it, I think it's a good story. Sorry to
830
00:46:27.409 --> 00:46:30.849
everyone who hates it, but It allows Dan Housen to
831
00:46:30.889 --> 00:46:34.789
be on the show doing something that's not ridiculously hokey
832
00:46:34.809 --> 00:46:36.329
because it was starting to get to be a bit
833
00:46:36.409 --> 00:46:39.280
much with his lab and his zombies that never became
834
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:42.440
anything and all that other stuff. But it also allows
835
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:45.460
Gunther to be the bully that he is. And so
836
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:49.039
you allow both of them to do what they do well,
837
00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:51.900
and it just furthers both of them. It makes Dan
838
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:56.059
Housen look more sympathetic without being completely annoying, and it
839
00:46:56.099 --> 00:46:57.940
makes Gunther just look like an a-hole, and that's what
840
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.320
he wants to be. And like you said, it also
841
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:01.699
sets them up for the Balor feud.
842
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:09.909
Yeah. There's a long history of this. WrestleMania III, we
843
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:14.210
had a bunch of shorter folks get beat up by
844
00:47:14.250 --> 00:47:17.239
King Kong Bundy because... Why not just make him a
845
00:47:17.260 --> 00:47:23.280
total jerk? Yeah, definitely. I don't want to say one
846
00:47:23.300 --> 00:47:26.050
of the bright spots. That was a that was a
847
00:47:26.070 --> 00:47:30.010
weird mania. Some really good stuff. And then some stuff
848
00:47:30.030 --> 00:47:33.309
that wasn't. It's definitely a memorable spot. Let's call it that.
849
00:47:34.110 --> 00:47:34.369
I do.
850
00:47:34.389 --> 00:47:38.199
I do want. So Dan Housen's got his evil detector.
851
00:47:39.380 --> 00:47:42.469
I really, really wish he had a bitch detector so
852
00:47:43.070 --> 00:47:46.190
that anytime somebody says bitch in the room, it's starting
853
00:47:46.210 --> 00:47:48.309
to get out of hand again. He comes running down
854
00:47:48.349 --> 00:47:51.289
with his detector and just it beeps all over the place.
855
00:47:51.909 --> 00:47:55.630
It just seems like they found a play thing. They
856
00:47:55.769 --> 00:47:59.570
remembered that it was like really easy, cheap heat. Like
857
00:47:59.730 --> 00:48:05.409
it's maybe two steps up from local team heat. Like
858
00:48:05.449 --> 00:48:09.480
it's better than that. but it's not great. It's very lazy.
859
00:48:09.739 --> 00:48:12.679
And, um, I thought it was funny.
860
00:48:12.980 --> 00:48:13.340
Yeah.
861
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.280
It was funny on role seeing him in the bat
862
00:48:16.340 --> 00:48:18.780
and like in the, just in the back of the screen,
863
00:48:19.449 --> 00:48:21.789
like scanning people. And then a few scenes later, you
864
00:48:21.809 --> 00:48:24.309
see him being escorted out by security for doing it. Like,
865
00:48:24.329 --> 00:48:26.469
that's funny. That's how you use Dan housing in a
866
00:48:26.550 --> 00:48:29.070
funny way. It didn't take up time. It was just
867
00:48:29.090 --> 00:48:32.219
in the background. Um, no, if they turn this into
868
00:48:32.300 --> 00:48:36.139
like a, three month story in the ring or something,
869
00:48:36.179 --> 00:48:40.480
then it becomes a problem. What did you think? It's
870
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:43.320
probably nothing, but why did it go off on Balor?
871
00:48:44.219 --> 00:48:45.159
Someone who's clearly.
872
00:48:45.260 --> 00:48:47.980
Why is he evil now? I think it's just because
873
00:48:48.019 --> 00:48:49.820
he's been so bad in the past.
874
00:48:49.940 --> 00:48:51.800
Yeah, it must be, but it was a little.
875
00:48:51.820 --> 00:48:55.500
And even Dan Housen is very evil, very nice. I
876
00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:58.920
thought that too, but I think it was because they're like, okay,
877
00:48:59.699 --> 00:49:01.820
we have to have it go off on someone and
878
00:49:01.889 --> 00:49:05.679
Balor's in the scene. So, and then Balor can be like,
879
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.269
why is this going off and be like mad about it,
880
00:49:08.539 --> 00:49:10.679
even though in his head he's got to be like,
881
00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:14.489
it's not real it's it's it's a it's an evil
882
00:49:14.550 --> 00:49:15.730
detector it's not a real thing.
883
00:49:16.090 --> 00:49:17.829
Um, I would have been much more intrigued if it
884
00:49:17.869 --> 00:49:19.909
went off on all this, that would have got me
885
00:49:19.949 --> 00:49:20.530
really thinking.
886
00:49:21.409 --> 00:49:24.179
Oh gosh, no kidding. That's all we, that's what we'd
887
00:49:24.300 --> 00:49:26.659
still be talking about right now from the beginning of
888
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:29.440
the show. Ladies and gentlemen, this just didn't make all
889
00:49:29.500 --> 00:49:34.500
this evil. Um, we're apparently not done with the evil, uh,
890
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:39.170
evil authority figure. that he went back to for way
891
00:49:39.190 --> 00:49:42.309
more years than it was, uh, any good at all. Um,
892
00:49:43.550 --> 00:49:47.610
that had a segue. Oh yeah. Speaking of people yelling out, bitch, um,
893
00:49:47.769 --> 00:49:51.570
it was Cody Rhodes. So he did that at the
894
00:49:51.630 --> 00:49:55.050
end of his, um, it was his last word. In fact, uh,
895
00:49:55.090 --> 00:49:59.099
but we had the segment with, uh, with the Miz
896
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:04.340
and Kit, Kit Wilson into Cody Rhodes, talking about Randy Orton, who, uh,
897
00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:07.219
who had a real easy night tonight. Um, He just
898
00:50:07.260 --> 00:50:10.880
had to be filmed a little bit earlier, and then
899
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:13.079
now he gets to hang out until tomorrow, where he
900
00:50:13.139 --> 00:50:17.280
is also not booked. So, I don't know. Maybe they
901
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:19.599
shot this elsewhere. Like, no reason for him to make
902
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:23.070
the trip for the weekend, it would seem. But, yeah,
903
00:50:23.610 --> 00:50:27.929
Rhodes doing his part on his end to get this started.
904
00:50:29.230 --> 00:50:32.389
Where do you think they finally have another match? They
905
00:50:32.429 --> 00:50:36.920
haven't booked a match yet. Have they?
906
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:40.739
I keep forgetting there's a Saudi Arabia pay-per-view or PLE
907
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:43.179
coming up in the middle between Survivor Series, isn't there?
908
00:50:43.340 --> 00:50:46.400
They may or may not be able to travel there.
909
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:49.800
I assume they will have a first match there. Something
910
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:51.639
will happen and it'll lead to a second match at
911
00:50:51.659 --> 00:50:53.840
Survivor Series. That would be my best guess.
912
00:50:55.340 --> 00:50:59.059
Or is this the second? Because they did have a first.
913
00:50:59.139 --> 00:51:00.860
Oh yeah, this could be the second. Maybe the blow-off
914
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:01.739
will be at Survivor Series.
915
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:02.349
The blow-off will be.
916
00:51:03.539 --> 00:51:05.199
I don't know what they would do because they're already
917
00:51:05.219 --> 00:51:06.980
going to have war games match. So I doubt they're
918
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:08.960
going to have another cage match. So I don't know
919
00:51:08.980 --> 00:51:09.539
what they're going to do.
920
00:51:10.340 --> 00:51:10.639
Yeah.
921
00:51:10.659 --> 00:51:13.409
It's going to be like a loser gets their head
922
00:51:13.469 --> 00:51:14.329
punted off match.
923
00:51:15.309 --> 00:51:17.829
Oh, sure. I mean, that's a hell of a way
924
00:51:17.849 --> 00:51:23.320
to retire. You put over a guy really big. Why not? Yeah.
925
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:25.380
Anything further on Orton and Rhodes?
926
00:51:26.940 --> 00:51:29.719
No, I thought Cody did well tonight. He didn't have
927
00:51:29.780 --> 00:51:33.039
much to do. It was... It was nice that he
928
00:51:33.059 --> 00:51:34.840
was able to come out for the live show, but
929
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:36.039
there wasn't very much for him.
930
00:51:36.059 --> 00:51:39.980
Yeah, I thought he knows how to go out there,
931
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:42.800
pop the crowd, excite them, even though he didn't really
932
00:51:42.940 --> 00:51:45.739
add anything to the feud. It just continued. Yeah.
933
00:51:46.010 --> 00:51:49.929
One thing I picked up on tonight, and if I'm right,
934
00:51:50.550 --> 00:51:52.150
and I hope this carries on, I felt like the
935
00:51:52.230 --> 00:51:56.489
crowd was strong in that they cheered the baby faces
936
00:51:56.550 --> 00:51:59.429
and booed the heels. And we don't always get that.
937
00:52:00.050 --> 00:52:04.579
So I'm hoping that happens tomorrow night as well because
938
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:05.699
i feel like that always makes for the.
939
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:10.519
Best thank you lafayette yeah thank you lafayette appreciate you
940
00:52:10.539 --> 00:52:11.500
in the cajun dome.
941
00:52:11.699 --> 00:52:14.880
Yeah big fans um i'm a twin cities guy we're
942
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:17.780
we're pretty good about that um we're we're willing to
943
00:52:17.820 --> 00:52:21.900
play along uh i i've seen stuff happen every now
944
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:26.269
and then but it it typically goes pretty well i
945
00:52:26.309 --> 00:52:28.389
lived in phoenix for five years and they were mostly
946
00:52:28.469 --> 00:52:31.630
on board as well um pretty good about that so
947
00:52:32.690 --> 00:52:35.590
I mean, cities are who they are. Don't hate them,
948
00:52:35.610 --> 00:52:39.190
but it is more fun as a viewer when they're
949
00:52:39.230 --> 00:52:41.510
doing it right, for lack of a better term.
950
00:52:42.170 --> 00:52:44.230
And I don't even blame the fans all the time
951
00:52:44.269 --> 00:52:46.449
because WWE has kind of made a muddled mess of
952
00:52:46.469 --> 00:52:50.130
a lot of things. And sometimes the international crowds, as
953
00:52:50.190 --> 00:52:52.429
lively as they are, they tend to make it more
954
00:52:52.449 --> 00:52:55.510
about themselves. So it'd be nice if we could ever
955
00:52:55.550 --> 00:52:57.929
get back to a point where the fans are cheering
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00:52:57.969 --> 00:53:00.820
who WWE wants them to cheer and, boos who they
957
00:53:00.860 --> 00:53:02.780
we want them to boo but again we talk about
958
00:53:02.820 --> 00:53:03.699
this all the time.
959
00:53:05.510 --> 00:53:08.650
Yeah and they they spent so many years i i
960
00:53:08.710 --> 00:53:13.070
think they just conditioned themselves to believe that fans were
961
00:53:13.130 --> 00:53:18.590
just wrong uh when fans were literally just when and
962
00:53:18.610 --> 00:53:21.710
then they turned roman and there had to be like
963
00:53:22.110 --> 00:53:23.070
guys going yeah it.
964
00:53:23.030 --> 00:53:26.730
Turns out they were right the whole time um basically
965
00:53:26.769 --> 00:53:29.710
the best heel we got and he wasn't any great
966
00:53:29.750 --> 00:53:33.159
shakes as a wasn't getting the right, the right reaction.
967
00:53:33.179 --> 00:53:35.219
I wouldn't say it wasn't any great shakes. He was,
968
00:53:35.969 --> 00:53:39.469
I think he was a victim of, you know, going
969
00:53:39.489 --> 00:53:42.550
to suffer and succotash is so easy, but it's the
970
00:53:42.590 --> 00:53:45.650
fact that that existed as one of many, many examples
971
00:53:45.769 --> 00:53:49.309
is again, well-trod ground. Let's, let's not.
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988
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Kathy Kelly talking to Chelsea Green, and Nikki Bella shows up,
989
00:54:48.050 --> 00:54:52.070
and you only had to be so good at talker
990
00:54:52.110 --> 00:55:00.599
back there. And Chelsea, that's what she's really, really great at.
991
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:03.019
So it kind of stuck out like a sore thumb here,
992
00:55:03.539 --> 00:55:06.219
but it does look like this match is something that
993
00:55:06.260 --> 00:55:09.760
will happen. And I dare say Nikki's a pretty good
994
00:55:10.099 --> 00:55:14.420
challenger for Chelsea because Chelsea's strength isn't between the ropes.
995
00:55:14.500 --> 00:55:18.570
Like she's not a great, great wrestler. She's fine. Um,
996
00:55:19.010 --> 00:55:20.750
And it took her a long time to become that.
997
00:55:20.869 --> 00:55:24.489
But she's way good enough as a character that you
998
00:55:25.050 --> 00:55:27.289
got to run with her every now and then. So
999
00:55:27.309 --> 00:55:31.130
somebody like Nikki, I think is going to be more
1000
00:55:31.150 --> 00:55:34.130
her speed as a championship match. And it can be
1001
00:55:34.769 --> 00:55:38.010
more a story than a match.
1002
00:55:38.789 --> 00:55:42.349
Yeah, and Chelsea should win it. Chelsea, given all the
1003
00:55:42.429 --> 00:55:47.329
progress that Chelsea has made with her character, she needs
1004
00:55:47.369 --> 00:55:51.300
a few... Key wins before she loses this title to
1005
00:55:51.340 --> 00:55:53.960
really have established herself so that this was a success,
1006
00:55:54.380 --> 00:55:56.719
putting the belt on her after all that time. So
1007
00:55:56.739 --> 00:55:58.559
that when you turn to her again, she has more
1008
00:55:58.619 --> 00:56:04.099
credibility that she's establishing now. And they they backslid a
1009
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:06.179
little bit. I thought last week, I think it was
1010
00:56:06.219 --> 00:56:09.840
last week when she was so afraid of someone cashing
1011
00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:12.489
in on her. And it was like her old character. Well,
1012
00:56:12.570 --> 00:56:14.210
not even her old character came back because her old
1013
00:56:14.250 --> 00:56:16.570
character was overly cocky. But now all of a sudden
1014
00:56:16.590 --> 00:56:19.010
she was like terrified someone was going to beat her.
1015
00:56:19.050 --> 00:56:20.849
And I was like, wait a minute, you've gotten past this.
1016
00:56:21.329 --> 00:56:23.630
You became brave and you stood up for yourself to
1017
00:56:23.690 --> 00:56:25.989
Nick Aldis and he gave you let you, you know,
1018
00:56:26.070 --> 00:56:28.119
defend your title when you were injured or whatever it was.
1019
00:56:28.820 --> 00:56:31.400
And I feel like they might, of course, correct it
1020
00:56:31.420 --> 00:56:34.659
a little bit and maybe receive the message that maybe
1021
00:56:34.699 --> 00:56:36.579
we don't want to make her so cowardly and scared
1022
00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:38.019
because that's not really her character.
1023
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:45.809
Uh trick williams braun breaker they uh in the opening
1024
00:56:45.889 --> 00:56:50.800
scene they oh my cat is pissed uh they were
1025
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:56.380
rubbing shoulders did that come through as loud as it's.
1026
00:56:55.579 --> 00:56:57.199
I didn't hear it no i mean maybe other people
1027
00:56:57.219 --> 00:56:58.550
did Okay.
1028
00:56:58.769 --> 00:57:00.530
Oh man. It is so loud in my ear. I'm
1029
00:57:00.550 --> 00:57:03.130
just about, I don't know what you need, but can
1030
00:57:03.150 --> 00:57:04.650
you meet it in about 20 minutes?
1031
00:57:05.230 --> 00:57:07.070
Um, I can do standup if you need to go
1032
00:57:07.110 --> 00:57:07.480
check on.
1033
00:57:08.130 --> 00:57:10.190
There you go. I give it as well. So there
1034
00:57:10.210 --> 00:57:15.090
you go. Uh, trick and brawn, um, opened this show with, uh,
1035
00:57:15.610 --> 00:57:18.860
I love, uh, um, uh, the Pierce and all this.
1036
00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:24.530
We're kind of friends, but I'm, you know, I'm kind of, uh,
1037
00:57:24.550 --> 00:57:27.289
I kind of think you're lesser than me. I just
1038
00:57:27.349 --> 00:57:27.909
like what they do.
1039
00:57:27.929 --> 00:57:30.570
Um, it was great. And the fact that Pierce was
1040
00:57:30.610 --> 00:57:32.909
trying to make a match and all this is like,
1041
00:57:32.929 --> 00:57:34.809
since when are you making matches on my show?
1042
00:57:35.429 --> 00:57:35.590
Right.
1043
00:57:35.610 --> 00:57:39.440
And all this, and all this mocked his it's official line.
1044
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:40.199
It's perfect.
1045
00:57:40.860 --> 00:57:41.079
Yeah.
1046
00:57:41.239 --> 00:57:43.510
And, Oh, and he had the, he, he sold it.
1047
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:45.769
He didn't just like laugh it off. He sold it.
1048
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:48.619
Like the thing I was going to say, like he
1049
00:57:48.659 --> 00:57:51.260
was genuinely annoyed that, uh, that he didn't get to
1050
00:57:51.300 --> 00:57:57.510
say it first. Um, The NXT, it's Rob Stone. And
1051
00:57:57.690 --> 00:58:01.590
if they needed a good authority figure, Rob Stone would
1052
00:58:01.630 --> 00:58:04.989
be so, so ready to beat it. But Aldis and Pierce,
1053
00:58:05.070 --> 00:58:09.530
I just really like both of what they do. But yeah,
1054
00:58:09.630 --> 00:58:12.000
Rob Stone's thing is, and that is set in stone.
1055
00:58:12.460 --> 00:58:14.039
And it took a while to find that. And I
1056
00:58:14.059 --> 00:58:16.320
was like, oh man, it was sitting there the whole time.
1057
00:58:17.340 --> 00:58:21.320
How was that? How was that not gotten? But you
1058
00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:22.860
can't think of it until you think of it. So,
1059
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:28.170
you know, whatever. Damian Priest, he's still a jerk. He's
1060
00:58:28.210 --> 00:58:32.230
got his whole thing going on with R-Truth, which apparently
1061
00:58:32.309 --> 00:58:35.809
is going to be blown off next week. And he
1062
00:58:36.210 --> 00:58:40.469
beat down Fraxium because they were standing there and Fraxium's
1063
00:58:40.489 --> 00:58:44.250
thing since the beginning in NXT was always Nathan Fraser
1064
00:58:44.289 --> 00:58:47.630
talking way too big and Axiom trying to talk him
1065
00:58:47.670 --> 00:58:49.829
off the ledge. And of course, that's what happened here.
1066
00:58:50.489 --> 00:58:57.449
And they just got smoked. So, Yeah, anything on Priest?
1067
00:58:57.889 --> 00:58:59.989
I mean, he wins next week, right?
1068
00:59:00.530 --> 00:59:05.570
He needs to obliterate Truth in about three minutes. And
1069
00:59:05.590 --> 00:59:07.989
then they need to do something else with Priest. I mean,
1070
00:59:08.050 --> 00:59:11.110
it was smart that they turned him... heel. They need
1071
00:59:11.150 --> 00:59:13.610
more heels on that show. So it was, it was
1072
00:59:13.670 --> 00:59:15.949
good that they did, but it's just a matter of
1073
00:59:15.989 --> 00:59:17.510
where is he going to slot in? I feel like
1074
00:59:17.949 --> 00:59:19.889
a feud with him and trick could be interesting. I'd
1075
00:59:19.909 --> 00:59:22.030
like to see him and trick Russell for, for the
1076
00:59:22.090 --> 00:59:22.639
U S title.
1077
00:59:22.659 --> 00:59:27.719
Oh yeah, there you go. Yeah. I, you know, he
1078
00:59:27.739 --> 00:59:32.349
was given the championship. It was a surprise. Certainly it
1079
00:59:32.369 --> 00:59:35.409
was a surprise insofar as what show it happened at.
1080
00:59:36.309 --> 00:59:39.739
So that was pretty shocking. And then I think lost
1081
00:59:39.980 --> 00:59:42.239
at SummerSlam, but he lost it in a way that
1082
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:46.239
I felt elevated him. And I just thought that maybe
1083
00:59:46.260 --> 00:59:50.030
he wouldn't have to wait his turn that much longer again.
1084
00:59:50.050 --> 00:59:52.949
Now there's a lot of talent in this company right now.
1085
00:59:52.969 --> 00:59:55.469
A lot of guys who can run with the ball
1086
00:59:55.550 --> 00:59:59.349
if asked. Um, and especially at a time when there
1087
00:59:59.409 --> 01:00:04.059
aren't hot shotting titles, if this was 1999 priest to
1088
01:00:04.099 --> 01:00:06.519
be a six time champion by now, uh, he just,
1089
01:00:07.300 --> 01:00:10.360
the way that they were moving on 28 days or less,
1090
01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:17.139
almost every single time. Um, yeah, I like him too.
1091
01:00:17.820 --> 01:00:21.780
And I think now he is, he can be properly
1092
01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:25.269
cast either way, but he runs the risk of being
1093
01:00:25.369 --> 01:00:27.550
stale either way. And I don't know why that is
1094
01:00:27.849 --> 01:00:30.190
more than with others, but I think that they are
1095
01:00:30.210 --> 01:00:35.349
heading the right direction, um, with him as well. Uh,
1096
01:00:35.429 --> 01:00:38.030
Johnny Gargano and Candace LeRae had their little scene with
1097
01:00:38.090 --> 01:00:39.190
Sammy Zane also.
1098
01:00:39.210 --> 01:00:47.289
Um, but, uh, It was good continuity there. I'm still wondering,
1099
01:00:48.389 --> 01:00:50.469
were they going to call out that Sammy didn't help
1100
01:00:50.530 --> 01:00:53.260
last week and said he couldn't help? I appreciated that
1101
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:56.800
Candice was like, what exactly did Aldis tell you last
1102
01:00:56.880 --> 01:01:00.179
week that you couldn't do? And, of course, Sammy, being
1103
01:01:00.219 --> 01:01:02.539
as great as he is, immediately tries to downplay it
1104
01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:04.760
and say, oh, let's not worry about that anymore. We
1105
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:07.940
just got to regroup and move on. I'm telling you,
1106
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:11.320
they're building something with Sammy that's really– you know, as
1107
01:01:11.340 --> 01:01:12.920
Paul Heyman likes to say, we're only in like the
1108
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:15.219
second inning here, you know, there's, there's a lot they
1109
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:17.889
can do with this. And I want to have faith
1110
01:01:17.909 --> 01:01:20.250
that they're really going to do it because they have
1111
01:01:20.309 --> 01:01:23.550
people that can pull this stuff off. Yeah.
1112
01:01:23.570 --> 01:01:25.789
And almost all of them are better challengers than they
1113
01:01:25.829 --> 01:01:28.750
are champions and they're great champions, but they're just so
1114
01:01:28.829 --> 01:01:36.699
compelling as, as calendars. But yeah, I, I believe that
1115
01:01:36.739 --> 01:01:41.239
is everything. Anything else on the show? you felt the
1116
01:01:41.260 --> 01:01:42.900
need to cover. I do have to pick up my
1117
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:46.079
daughter after this, after this show, pretty, pretty quick.
1118
01:01:47.219 --> 01:01:49.590
You know, I think we covered everything. I did want
1119
01:01:49.610 --> 01:01:52.170
to give a quick plug, if you don't mind, for
1120
01:01:52.210 --> 01:01:54.889
something I've been up to. I've talked about it on these,
1121
01:01:55.010 --> 01:01:56.550
on this show before, just a couple of weeks ago.
1122
01:01:57.070 --> 01:02:02.250
If anyone likes workplace comedies, Right now on my social media,
1123
01:02:02.289 --> 01:02:06.429
whether it's Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, or YouTube, and my socials
1124
01:02:06.469 --> 01:02:09.889
are in my SmackDown report that's up right now, right
1125
01:02:09.929 --> 01:02:15.289
in the top, I'm running an NCAA-style bracket tournament to
1126
01:02:15.329 --> 01:02:18.769
crown the greatest workplace comedy character of all time. So
1127
01:02:18.789 --> 01:02:21.809
if you think about different, figure out what a workplace comedy,
1128
01:02:21.829 --> 01:02:24.449
what would define it, like a show like Cheers or
1129
01:02:24.510 --> 01:02:28.159
The Office or Parks and Rec. narrowed it down to
1130
01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:32.159
64 characters, and they're all competing one-on-one. Two new matchups
1131
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:34.760
go up every day at 9 a.m., and they run
1132
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:39.010
for 24 hours. And whoever advances, advances. And then the
1133
01:02:39.050 --> 01:02:40.349
first round is going to go all the way up
1134
01:02:40.409 --> 01:02:43.670
through October 22nd, I think it is. And then we'll
1135
01:02:43.690 --> 01:02:45.269
just keep going until we crown a winner. So if
1136
01:02:45.309 --> 01:02:48.269
anybody's into that kind of stuff, definitely check it out.
1137
01:02:48.329 --> 01:02:50.409
It's fun. And it's starting to get a lot of attention,
1138
01:02:50.429 --> 01:02:52.449
especially on Facebook for some reason. It's really blowing up.
1139
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:56.179
And it's fun seeing people going back and forth. So
1140
01:02:56.199 --> 01:02:58.820
if that's your thing, it doesn't cost anything either, just
1141
01:02:58.880 --> 01:02:59.719
in case anyone's clear.
1142
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:02.949
I've wasted a lot of time watching TV and I've
1143
01:03:02.969 --> 01:03:05.469
wasted a lot of time, uh, looking at, uh, tournaments.
1144
01:03:05.630 --> 01:03:07.909
So definitely could do that.
1145
01:03:08.030 --> 01:03:10.429
So something positive on the internet, other than like all
1146
01:03:10.449 --> 01:03:12.090
the other stuff we talked about.
1147
01:03:12.110 --> 01:03:12.750
Yeah, there you go.
1148
01:03:13.030 --> 01:03:13.250
Yeah.
1149
01:03:13.289 --> 01:03:15.650
Derek saying, uh, thanks Kelly and Eric. Great post show.
1150
01:03:15.849 --> 01:03:16.929
I hope you have a good weekend.
1151
01:03:17.010 --> 01:03:18.590
See, that's what it's working.
1152
01:03:19.269 --> 01:03:22.199
Um, All right. I'm Kelly Wells. You can find me
1153
01:03:22.420 --> 01:03:24.940
on threads at spooky milk dot games. But if you
1154
01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:27.679
find me there, be like Kelly, you don't have to
1155
01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:32.269
spend two hours replying to stuff like go do something
1156
01:03:32.809 --> 01:03:35.730
that will that will better your life in some way.
1157
01:03:37.349 --> 01:03:42.170
I'm Kelly Wells signing off. And Eric, anything for us?
1158
01:03:43.030 --> 01:03:45.309
No, just enjoy Money in the Bank, everyone. And Kelly,
1159
01:03:45.329 --> 01:03:45.849
this was fun.
1160
01:03:46.909 --> 01:03:47.190
All right.
1161
01:03:47.409 --> 01:03:49.800
Cheers, man. We will catch you next time. Yeah.
1162
01:04:23.630 --> 01:04:26.789
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