WKPWP Interview Classic - Keller & Mitchell interview Bob Backlund & Iron Sheik in person in front of studio audience

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Now.
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PW Torch and Speaker bring you the Wade Keller Pro
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Wrestling Podcast. It's time for this week's Interview Classic, where
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Wade Keller Interview is one of pro Wrestling's newsmakers.
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On today's Wadkeller Pro Wrestling Podcast Interview Classic episode, we
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jump back to two interviews from ten years ago. First up,
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Iron Chic and Bob Backland. P tow Torch columnist Bruce
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Mitchell and I were able to interview Bob Eckland at
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Iron Cheek in person in Waterloo, Iowa at the Pro
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Wrestling Hall of Fame Weekend banquet at a live studio
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audience at the Dan Gable Wrestling Museum, and it was
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a blast. And I mean, these two are such incredibly
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significant historical figures. During a big period of WWE, especially
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Bob Backland of course long term champion, but the transition
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from Backland to Chic to Hogan a real seminal moment
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in pro wrestling history, transitioning from the territory era to
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the national expansion and Vince McMahon and the larger than
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life muscular characters obviously the Superstarpully Grand before that and others,
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but Hulk Hogan is a centerpiece world champ. Iron Cheek
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was the transition heel for that era. We also talked
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about the transition from amateur to professional wrestling, the relationship
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with Vincent J. McMahon Vince Senior and Vincent K mcman
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Vince and much more. These are two characters and it
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comes across in the interview. And then our second interview
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was just a few days before that. Actually it took
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place a few days after, but it was posted a
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few days before, and that was Jim Valley's interview with
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maghum Ta. This originally dropped on or actually streamed live
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on July thirtieth, twenty sixteen. Then Jim Valley talked with
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maghum Ta about a variety of topics and also some
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live callers with some nostalgia topics and more. So let's
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get to it really fun back to back interview Classic
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episodes here on the Weight Color Podcast on Saturday, August eighth,
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twenty twenty six.
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That radio.
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Welcome to the p W Torch Live Cast. I am
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Way Keller, editor and publisher of the Pro Wrestling Torch
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Wednesday nights have this is Interview Thursday, and normally on
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Interview Thursday we run live interviews. This week got something
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special and out of the ordinary that has not been
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heard before, and that is a podcast that Torch Senior
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columnist and Friday Peterlee Torch Live cast host Bruce Mitchell
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and I hosted together at the Dan Gable Wrestling Museum
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in Waterloo, Iowa. And this was at part of the
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George Tragos Luths Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame weekend a
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couple weekends ago. It's a second year in a row.
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Bruce and I have attended Travis Bryant from the Friday
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East from the Friday Live Cast and Wednesday East Coast Cast,
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which you can find at East coastcast dot com. Along
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with Torch Audio analyst Todd Martin joined me for those festivities.
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We watched Dave Meltzer the Wresting Observer and inducted into
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the Hall of Fame. Bruce and Day very tight over
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the last twenty some years and a number of other wrestlers.
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Two wrestlers who were inducted were Iron Cheek and Bob Beckland.
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Those two were part of wrestling history, iron Cheek being
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the wrestler who defeated Bob Backland for the WWF Championship
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that then led to Hulk Cogan coming in and capturing
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the WWF World title in a very big transition for WWF.
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The move from Bob Backland, a white bread do no
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wrong role model babyface, to Hulk Hogan was a major
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pivotal moment in the history of professional wrestling, and Iron
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Cheek and Bob Backland have never done an interview together,
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never done any interview together until two weekends ago and
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Bruce and I had the privilege of interviewing Iron Checken
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Bob Backland. When I told some people about the interview,
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they were like, Oh, I bet that was like hurting
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cats and other such an agies because she could Backland
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our such characters and they are and boy does that
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come across in this interview.
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It's a lot of fun.
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I think you'll learn a lot about Iron Cheek's background,
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his story of why and how he came to the
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United States, what he did when he got here, how
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he found a home in Minnesota, and what he went
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on to do with his professional life is amazing. And
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at the end of the interview, it's one of the
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great finishes to a podcast ever. And I have to
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create a visual for this because you'll hear it, but
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I think you need to understand the visual of what
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was happening because this podcast was conducted in front of
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a live studio audience. One hundred or so people were
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packed into the the five Sullivan Brothers Convention Center, which
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is across the street from the Hall of Fame. It's
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the major convention center hub in Waterlough, Iowa, and the
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room was packed with wrestling fans who were part of
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the All Access Past weekend for the Hall of Fame weekend.
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And so I'm I'm sitting I'm sitting in the middle
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of the table. To my left is Bruce Mitchell, to
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my right is the Iron Cheek, and then to Iron
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Cheeks right is Bob Backland. We're all sitting at a
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table and looking at an audience of fans watching the
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podcast and watching and listening. So we get to about
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the hour mark, close to it, and so we're getting
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near the end and I throw a question she can Backland.
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Sheek answers it, and then Backland begins to answer it,
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but he also stands up and he starts being very
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visual about what he's saying about how you One of
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his favorite parts about being a wrestlers started is taking
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starting the match low and slowly building it up higher
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to bringing the crowd to this peak moment, and he
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can describe it better than I am here. I don't
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want to steal his thunder, but he's being very visual
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about it. And then at the end you'll hear him say,
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and that is it. I have to go work out,
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and so he ends the podcast in a very visual way.
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Which is running around the building giving high fives to
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to the hosts. Bruce and he gave a high five
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to me and then a high five to Bruce, high
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five to Iron Cheek, and he ran through the crowd
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and started giving high fives. And these are not light
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high fives. You don't take them lightly. These are shoulder
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dislocating high five flaps from Backland, who is incredibly fit
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for somebody who's sixty six years old. I mean, honestly,
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you know, his skin looks like an older person. That's
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not there's not much people can do about that. I mean,
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you can eat healthy and stay out of the sun
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and you know, use good soap and all that kind
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of thing. Put me in general that that's a little
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bit more of a giveaway. That's somewhat unavoidable in terms
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of aging. However, But by the way, it's not bad skin.
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It's just okay, he doesn't look thirty, you know what
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I mean when you look at him. But his physique
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is incredible, his energy is incredible. But but I mean,
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he was wearing a tight shirt and it just I mean,
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he what he has done to maintain his physical fitness
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throughout his life is amazing. So I say that as
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a as a preface for this. He after giving high
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fives to everybody, he grabs a handle roller that he
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uses to do a certain exercise that he finds that
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he likes a lot and has done his whole life.
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He grabs that and he runs out of the room.
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Now I conclude the podcast. People are laughing and applotting,
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I think the chic and I'm kind of wrapping things
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up and taking, you know, sting the microphone down and
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all that.
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At this moment.
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I found out later Bob Beckland is jogging from the
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five Sullivan Brothers Convention Center across the street and down
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the block to the Dan Gable Wrestling Museum, and he
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runs all the way into the facility to a wrestling
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matt workout area at the museum, because I have this
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whole you can have a membership there. There's a shower facility,
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there's a wrestling mat, there's mini bleachers, or you can
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watch wrestling exhibitions. He runs into that room and he
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starts exercising just as he said he was going to
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do on schedule. He didn't want to miss his workout
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with the time that he had that afternoon, and he
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does a full workout, and he does I can't remember
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how many, how many steps, how many squats, It was
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an incredible number. I know that Dave Meltzer was talking
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to him trying to think when he was asking, oh,
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is that the autograph session the next day? Because the
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members of the Trago Stas Hall of Fame do those
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who attend the convention each year participate in an addograph session,
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And so Dave Meltzer and Ire sit next to each
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other and Bob Ackland is is next to us, and
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Dave starts asking him about his workout routine, and so
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Bob just talking about all the stuff he does, and
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it just it was, it was Dave was in awe
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of what Bob does and how he built up to
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it and how he stayed healthy doing it.
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He was just he's amazing.
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So he's a real character. I would say there's a
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fine line between Bob Backland the person and Bob Beckland
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the character. I think that the character version is a
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little bit of an amplified version of of who he
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really is. But I spent a good amount of time
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talking to him at the at the Indie Wrestling event,
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the Impact Pro Wrestling event on Friday night after, which
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was a few hours after this podcast took place, and
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and he was much more low key and conversational. But
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there's still something about him or you know, he's you
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just look at him and you think he's on the
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verge of snapping, you know, like not snapping in a
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bad way, but snapping into into Bob Backland yelling mode.
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You know what you see with him right now in
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WWB TV with Darren Young and so I spend a
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good amount of time talking to him at intermission at
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the Indie show and and and saw a different version
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of him. In fact, it was I think last fall,
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was it or last year Bruce Mitchell and I interviewed him,
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I think three weeks in a row about his his
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phenomenal wrestling book. He and the co author of that
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wrestling book just did such a trummendous job. I want
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to give a shout out to Rob Miller too, who
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was on the live cast last year. Backlan's book Books
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is one of my favorite wrestling books four hundred and
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eighty three pages, four hundred eighty four pages, and it
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covers a timeframe in WWE history that no other book
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covered in the way in a first hand, here's what
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happened behind the scenes way because he covers the nineteen
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seventies and early eighties Vince McMahon senior era of the
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WWF from a wrestler's perspective thoroughly, and I highly recommend
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the book. It's Backland from All American Boy to Professional
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Wrestling's World Champion by Bob Ackland and Rob Miller definitely
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recommend that book. And Bob was on this show and
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did a great job with the interview. I mean, he
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was really engaging, told great stories. This is a slightly
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different version of that Backland because he's performing in front
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of a crowd a little bit and it changes his
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dynamic a little bit. But the stories and the attitude
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and the outlook are all there, and he's being truthful.
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are real poignant to understanding wrestling history and understanding Bob
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Ecklin for that matter. So there's some really cool stuff
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in this interview. And as I said, it was done
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live in front of a studio audience and that doesn't
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because it certainly is more of a historical oriented interview
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and isn't in that sense, it doesn't have an expiration
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the Bruce Mitchellatio Show recording before he does a live cast,
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home website where you can get further more episodes of
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this show. All right, so again, this interview was conducted
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and recorded live at the five Sullivan Brothers Convention Center
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in Waterloo, Iowa as part of the George Tragos Luthe's
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Progressing Hall of Fame Weekend at the Dan Gable Museum.
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And this interview was conducted on July twenty second, twenty sixteen.
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It is Iron Chic and Bob Eckland. My co host
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is Bruce Mitchell on this program Playback. I'm gonna start
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with Bob, because what I would like to mister Backland
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to you young man, mister Backland, Thank you, sir, thank you, sir. Uh,
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mister Backland. The we got some water.
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Excellent.
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This This this Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame is special
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for a lot of reasons, but one of them is
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the connection that it makes between amateur wrestling and those
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who transition into professional wrestling. And I wanted both of you,
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and I'll start with you, mister Backland, to talk about, uh,
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your amateur background. People obviously know some people who know
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your amateur backgrounds, so people know much better your WWF
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and pro wrestling background. Talk about the roots of amateur
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wrestling and how did that transition and help you in
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professional wrestling in your earliest time, both training and getting
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accepted and acclimated to the pro ring.
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I started wrestling when I was eighth grade and I
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have a book out right now. It came out September sixteen.
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It's about my whole life. And in eighth grade, I
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went out for sports because I had a father that
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was a very poor drinker. I didn't know nothing about sports.
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I didn't care anything about sports. I was standing on
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the top of a fence and I was going to
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fall on my face and be disaster as far as
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my future is concerned. I didn't care about winning and losing.
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I just didn't want to go home and listen to
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all the garbage. That's how I got started in football, wrestling,
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and track. And I got beat up every day in practice,
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every single day. That's how I started. And I'm very
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happy that started, because at one time it started kicking in,
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started paying off a little bit, and I learned six
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principles from amateur wrestling, six of them. By the time
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I was a senior in high school, not left Princeton,
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Minnesota to come down here to Wallfield there and I
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transferred to North Dakota State University. Used those same principles
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that I learned from our sport, amateur wrestling, and I
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left a bigger market North Dakota State University. I won
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the NCAA tournament in wrestling and in football in about
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a two month time period. And when I left to
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go wrestle in the world of wrestling. I shouldn't say
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the WWF because I started out down in Batan News, Louisiana,
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I knew I was going to succeed.
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I didn't doubt it.
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And there was a lot of people in my hometown
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that's that don't even leave town. You're not mad Dog,
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you're not the butcher, You're just that oh American kid.
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Those people are never successful wrestling business. And because of
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those principles, I didn't let that get into my mind
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at all. I didn't listen to it at all. I
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stayed focused, and when I left Princeton, Minnesota, I had
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a nineteen sixty eight green Chevrolet and pallor. I had
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twenty dollars in my pocket. When I got down to
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Baton Rouge, Louisiana, I had twenty nine cents left. They
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paid me five dollars. Grizzly Smith gave me an envelope.
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I opened it up.
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When I got in the car, I had five dollars
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and now I got five dollars and twenty nine cents
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in my pocket.
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The closest person that I knew to me.
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Was fifteen hundred miles away. I canceled the reservation that
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I made it to Sheridan, and that cost me twenty
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nine cents. Now I've got f five dollars left. I
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went to a supermarket and bought all the tuna fish
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I could buy, and then I bought a can opener
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and sleeping in the trunk of the car that night.
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I'm broke, homeless and sleeping in the trunk of the car.
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But I believed that I was going to climb. I
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started out in the exact bottom, but I believed I
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was gonna go uphill every day, and I never let
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up in that and I succeeded. That's what amateur wrestling
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did for me. That's what amateur wrestling gave to me,
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and that's one of the reasons why I'm here. That's
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one of the reasons why I used to have kids tournaments.
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I wanted children to get into sports because of what
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it did to me, especially wrestling.
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You thank you, Bob, Thank you. Mister Backland iron Cheek
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a similar question to you.
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This is the Hall of.
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Fame where there is a great reverence to the history
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and connections of amateur wrestling and professional wrestling. Can you
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speak about your amateur background and as a foundation for
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your pro career.
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Well, mister Bob Baker said it purfor because wrestling is
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the toughest sport in the Olympic and America and Rendez world.
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And I was very young in Iran.
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Nationalist sports is a firstall and grecor Wan wrestling and
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I have a two Westerlins here, mister Megon and his son,
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and they used to come watch me. I was fourteen
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years old and in the run our practice and mister
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Megan was one of the great thing.
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Corporate were same club.
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I go every day, take a bus from home and
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one hundred and twenty five pm I was.
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I went to the practice practice. Like mister Backland said,
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wrestling is the toughest sport in the Olympic one and
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one and division.
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You want to be the best, you want to be champion.
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You have to pay for your due and every day
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go practice practice. Practice makes us to be perfunction without
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practice hard.
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To be champlain.
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So for me pleasure to outcome in the.
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Waterloo, Iowa then gave country and special Olympic champlain. I
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wresting with mister Gabel in Minnesota in the University of
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Minnesota and also my coach mister Alan Rice from Minnesota.
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I was very young, I'll come to America and then
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only person healthy was from Minnesota, neighbor of the Iowa.
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And I'm sorry, maybe my English not too good.
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I don't want to sweitch too fast or anything.
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But like mister Buckland said, and I paid for my
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mister Buckland, paper is due. And then from Tehran, Iran
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all this country in the world National Sports Crystal and
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Greco Roman.
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And then I made it to the New York.
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From New York, I went to the Minnesota and then
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Minnesota practice practice and my coach was mister Alan Rice.
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And Sir Alan Right is one of a great coach
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in Minnesota. And wipe me from New York to the
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Minnesota and come in the airport pick me up.
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And then I used to live in the in the
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00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:57.000
dinky Town and dinky Town not too far from the.
483
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:03.839
University of the Minnesota in Minnesota Golfer University. I used
484
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:07.480
to live in the Dinkiton and then in the Fortunity.
485
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:12.359
And mister Allen Rice come every day other day. Together
486
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:16.799
we heard the Minnesota wrestling crop, and Minnesota wrestling crop
487
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:18.640
was a very very.
488
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:21.279
Good wrestling, a lot of good wrestler.
489
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:27.160
My team was an excellent team nineteen sixty nine first place.
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00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:32.160
And myself and nineteen seventy and also I'll after you
491
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:35.440
read this one and tell me what they was there
492
00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:39.359
and what found I was and what poets.
493
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:41.799
For you did read both of them Philae the PRAMI
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my reading classes by the National Athletics National Athletic Union
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00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:49.359
of the United States.
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00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:52.240
In the year Roman.
497
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:54.000
Numerals you did the glasses of summer.
498
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:59.000
He just had eye surgery. What's the Roman numerals?
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00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:01.160
The glasses is long read?
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This is.
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For us.
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00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:07.519
You up for my dude, so I can make it today?
503
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.960
What's her iva? Thank ever country? And I want to
504
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.440
say hello to all my wrestling firms to our year. Hey, no,
505
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.440
I'm up for my dude. Can you please if.
506
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:21.240
You can not read, I give it Greg.
507
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:25.640
Greco Roman Wrestling one hundred and eighty three point five.
508
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:27.759
And I know this year. It was the year I
509
00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:29.319
was born, nineteen seventy one.
510
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:31.799
So what year was? What country?
511
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:33.079
What yours?
512
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:33.759
What year?
513
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:38.119
What country for the United States? Yeah? Well what a
514
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:39.920
sports Creco Roman wrestle.
515
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:40.680
Yeah.
516
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:44.480
So I want to let you know you can buy
517
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:48.400
everything with money except that gold medal.
518
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:53.400
Mister, No, you have to pay for your due to
519
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:57.079
you come from all this country terror I wrong to
520
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:02.079
the Minnesota and you be our sister coach Master Allen
521
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:03.279
Rise and make.
522
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:06.839
My team to be three years a you champlin.
523
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:09.720
From nineteen seventy one and I went to the Mooning
524
00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:14.519
Olympic Game nineteen seventy two Olympic Game and over there
525
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:19.519
who was mister Dane Gabel, one of my greatest Wterloo
526
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:23.599
I WA from America, one hundred and forty nine pombs
527
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.200
and he was over there and we turned him into
528
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:29.480
the Srallen Rise. I'm happy to be in the Midwest
529
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:33.160
today and especially in the Waterloo, Iowa.
530
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:35.160
I love all maners in fence.
531
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.200
Longing for some nostalgia or maybe you want to learn
532
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:53.160
some wrestling history, don't miss the nineties Past cast every
533
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:56.519
Friday on the PW Towards Daly Cast Feed. Alex and
534
00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:59.839
Patrick will transport you thirty years into the past by
535
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:02.640
taking you through the Torch issue from that very weak
536
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:06.359
follow news from the WWF and WCW and all the
537
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.599
happenings from across the wrestling industry in real time as
538
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:13.079
The Torch reported it thirty years ago. That's the nineties
539
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:16.480
Pass cast every Friday for the PW Torch Daily Cast Feed.
540
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:29.119
Let's talk about the transition to professional wrestling because times
541
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:33.720
are different today and the amateur wrestling Olympic experience doesn't
542
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:35.839
come around of that often. Obviously, Kurt Angle, who was
543
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.400
here last year, is one of the exceptions to the rule.
544
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.119
Mister Backland, talk about what your impression of professional wrestling
545
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.440
was before you got into it, how it changed, if
546
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:48.640
that if at all, and how you were accepted into
547
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:53.599
the pro wrestling fraternity. It was more of a challenge
548
00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:56.599
back then to become accepted, probably than today, in terms
549
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:58.400
of the toughness and the dues that you had to pay.
550
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:03.880
Yeah, you know, the five dollars that I got paid
551
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:09.759
that night. It wasn't that they were cheap. It was
552
00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:12.720
that they wanted to find out how bad I wanted it.
553
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:18.559
They thought I would go home. They didn't want to
554
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:23.119
take the time. They paid me five dollars to see
555
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:27.759
if I would last. That's how it entered in there.
556
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.559
But I'm a very stubborn person, And when I was
557
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:33.559
sitting in the car, sleeping in the trunk of the car,
558
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:36.759
I found out what it was like to be hungry
559
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:40.759
and wonder how in the heck you're going to eat
560
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:47.680
your next meal. I went through that, and I believe
561
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:52.279
it was a very important lesson to learn, because when
562
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:56.799
I started doing a little better, I never wanted those
563
00:33:56.960 --> 00:34:01.759
days to come back again. I was thinking of marrying
564
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:06.160
a young lady from North Dakota State University, and I
565
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.599
didn't want a family that could ever be introduced to
566
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:13.800
that kind of life. I learned to save my money,
567
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:19.079
and I did that. I had a friend that made
568
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:22.800
it a thousand dollars on his first night. Mister Sheik
569
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:27.360
knows him very well. He spent every dime he made
570
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.440
and he can't write a check for twenty dollars today.
571
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:36.719
They kind of did me a favor by testing me
572
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:42.679
like that, and myself when I got to Florida, if
573
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:46.400
somebody wanted to get into the wrestling business, they went
574
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:51.320
through me or Harley Race or Jack Briscoe, and Harley
575
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:55.480
Race would hurt him. I didn't have the heart to
576
00:34:55.559 --> 00:35:00.599
hurt people. I'd work out with him. I trained with
577
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.079
him for hours and hours, and I would do it
578
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:06.119
with him. I wouldn't yell at them and screen him.
579
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:10.320
I made them do whatever I did, and then when
580
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:12.519
we got done it, say come back tomorrow at six
581
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.719
o'clock in the morning. We're gonna go do it over.
582
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:21.079
And there was only two guys that made it, Paul
583
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:26.800
Arndorf and Brian Blair. Those are the only two names
584
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:28.760
that I can remember that came back the next day.
585
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:35.119
They wanted to find out how tough you were. You
586
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:40.320
had to be tougher than the fames. You couldn't if
587
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:42.800
you were a wrestler and a fan beat you. That
588
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:48.440
would be disgrace to the business. And they were very
589
00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:53.280
intense about that. Somebody that was tough enough to be
590
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:57.920
able to handle people. And it's a road, but it's
591
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:01.559
part of an education, the things they do to you,
592
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:06.880
because hard work pays off, it really does. I learned
593
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:11.960
that when I was a junior in high school. It's
594
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:15.000
not a picnic get into the business, and it's not
595
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.360
a very big promise that you're ever gonna have any success.
596
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:25.039
You had to give a promoter two weeks notice and
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00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:28.440
that's all he had to give you, and you were gone.
598
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:35.199
But I my success came because of the six principles
599
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:41.519
that I was living up to. I was in a
600
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:43.159
car with three wrestlers.
601
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.800
One night, three of them.
602
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:48.599
We were driving around Atlanta, three of the top wrestlers,
603
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:52.880
and you needed the top wrestlers to get a head
604
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:54.840
back then, because they were the ones that had the
605
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:59.679
contact with the promoters. When I was riding in the car,
606
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:08.159
they started smoking marijuana. I rolled my window down, the
607
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:13.400
driver rolled it back up. A few minutes later, I
608
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:17.239
tried rolling it down again and the window was locked.
609
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:21.400
A few minutes later, I asked him to stop the car.
610
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:24.559
I didn't give a care whether to do in marijuana
611
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:28.800
or not. I didn't care at all. I didn't care
612
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.280
if they made a bad mistake in their life. But
613
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:36.159
I didn't want to be there. I didn't want to
614
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:37.920
be there because of a lesson I learned when I
615
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:42.079
was in eighth grade about peer pressure, and I wasn't
616
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:44.079
going to cut circumb to it again in my life.
617
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:49.480
They wouldn't stop the car, and I thought about putting
618
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:54.320
the driver in the cross space chicken wing, But ladies
619
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:56.440
and gentlemen, I thought maybe that wouldn't be a good
620
00:37:56.480 --> 00:38:02.400
idea either. I went to a nightclub and I walked home,
621
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.800
walked home, got home and my wife was a static.
622
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:11.400
She was expecting me to be home about one o'clock
623
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at night. I got home at eight thirty. I didn't
624
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:19.920
know where it was when I started walking and I
625
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:23.639
explained to what happened. She was very happy and very proud,
626
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:28.639
and it was a great moment, but it could have
627
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.719
been a negative moment for me because I needed them
628
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:36.440
as my friends. Part of a long story, but years
629
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:39.360
later that was one of the best decisions I ever
630
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:40.039
made in my life.
631
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:44.000
Thank you for that story, Iron Cheek.
632
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:46.199
I'd like to ask you a similar question in terms
633
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:49.480
of your acclamation to professional wrestling. It was a little
634
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:52.400
different than than what you had been used to in
635
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:56.400
the amateur and Olympic ranks. Talk about who helped you
636
00:38:56.719 --> 00:39:00.920
in those early months and years acclimate too, the changes
637
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:03.840
in your career going from amateur to professional.
638
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:11.159
Like I said, I was Minnesota, Minneapolis anytime, anytime, my
639
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:15.039
team come first, plus Master Allan Rice and the team,
640
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:19.000
we go to the NWA and pemother was over there.
641
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:20.320
Mister Burgania.
642
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:24.360
Mister Gania was a promoter and he was himself one
643
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:26.440
of a great college wrestler.
644
00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:30.039
All American and one of the top in the America.
645
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:35.800
And after the Olympic in nineteen seventy two moon in Germany,
646
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:40.000
I tell my coach, mister Allen Rice, I'll lecture some
647
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:41.599
day to go.
648
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:46.440
See mister Wogania and I want to be a professhmen, So.
649
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:48.920
Master Allan Rice take me in the office.
650
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:54.400
And then after gold medal nineteen seventy one, and uh,
651
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:58.320
mister God bless him, he was a good promother.
652
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:02.719
And then he gave me the job to drive the
653
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:07.599
ring truck and then put on the ring, pack up
654
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:09.800
the ring referee.
655
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:14.400
All over from Minneapolis to the Winnipeg and from Minnieapris,
656
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:18.559
all over to Rochester and all over to the Chicago
657
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:20.880
Court in the Midwest.
658
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.800
So that was the toughest job I had.
659
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:27.719
But I loved wrestling so much and I didn't complete
660
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:32.360
and even I cannot read and write too good.
661
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:34.280
But I was fully wrestling.
662
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:38.719
And I'm in Minnesota and a promoter is mister Borgania.
663
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:42.199
God releaged to me possibly and then be turning over there.
664
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:46.079
Mister Bob Buckram also sometimes come over there, healthy young
665
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:53.039
generation and started Minnesota and to the later on I
666
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:56.079
traveled the coast to coast and all over the country
667
00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:57.800
for wrestling started in.
668
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:00.400
The professional for me was not easy.
669
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:05.639
I have to trace to drive their ring truck, put
670
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:09.719
on the ring, and pick up the ring referee and
671
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:13.920
drive all over from Chicago to Minneapolis, or from Warapeg
672
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:18.760
Canada to Minnieapolis, from all over the mon Iowa.
673
00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:23.719
To Minneapolis, so anyway Midwest. I was so father wrestling
674
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:29.760
from a start, and I said, I cannot cover it.
675
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:32.360
I cannot give up the only thing I can do
676
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:36.039
in this earth to be a wrestling and be a
677
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:38.239
champion someday like.
678
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:45.119
Back then, like some greatest we had in the Minnesota
679
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:50.960
bread Dragens and myself and some and lot of excellent
680
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:55.119
wrestler in Minnesota, and and then I met it to
681
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:59.800
the Charlotte coast to coast or all over the country
682
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:00.639
over the board.
683
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:04.480
No I'm here the moan, I'm here.
684
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:10.239
Watloiva the greatest free star wrestler one hundred and forty
685
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:10.800
nine pound.
686
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:11.639
Then gave it.
687
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:23.320
To mister go on with what you were talking about.
688
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:26.559
Can you tell us about the the other athletes that
689
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:29.679
you broke into professional wrestling with with Virgania's camp. I
690
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:32.360
know that you also even at that point where it
691
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:35.960
was helping train some of the people in that class.
692
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:36.760
Excellent question.
693
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:41.199
And that time in the camp it was mister Campetero
694
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:45.360
the strongest with lefter in the board and Olympic which
695
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:49.000
is waltzed together in the morning Olympic game. Mister Campetero
696
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:55.920
and Greg Gania and Jim Burunzeller another football player, passive
697
00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:58.559
Adrejim Young and Bob Bruger.
698
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:02.760
Bob Broger and so via started in the that camp.
699
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:07.039
And mesid Rick Flair and nineteen seventy three you started
700
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:08.239
in there.
701
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:08.760
He did well.
702
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:11.079
Great Flair Oh.
703
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:13.599
Out to be an ALTI.
704
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:17.840
Excellent, it did great and a great former Griff talking
705
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:20.519
and but he has started.
706
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.159
That was a good luck Missabo back then and myself
707
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:24.159
in Minnesota.
708
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:29.119
Yeah, first, mister Backland, we interviewed you as part of
709
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:31.519
a Pro Wrestling Torch podcast about your book, and I
710
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:33.840
just want to say I really enjoyed and learned a
711
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:37.519
lot from your book. I recommended all wrestling fans. You
712
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:38.599
did a tremendous job.
713
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:40.400
I just say, there's no one else.
714
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:42.519
We did interviews with three weeks in a row, and
715
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:43.920
we interviewed about three weeks in a row and he
716
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:44.719
was great every.
717
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:48.880
Time, every time. So and even the stories you're telling
718
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:51.639
now there's more. You have more details, more depth in
719
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:52.119
the book.
720
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.119
So when you read the book, you know me better
721
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:55.960
than my brother.
722
00:43:56.199 --> 00:44:01.199
Absolutely absolutely talk about your time with the Grant with
723
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:04.480
Eddie Graham in Florida and how you knew that you
724
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:07.760
were on your way to bigger and better things from
725
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:09.360
the professional wrestling boss.
726
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:15.239
Well Don Florida with Eddie Graham. He was the promoter
727
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:19.880
of Florida Championship Wrestling and they had a really a
728
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:24.519
great organization going there. Everybody was able to get out
729
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:26.320
of the trunk of their car and.
730
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:29.039
Live a better life.
731
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:35.320
But he was real close to Vince McMahon. He was
732
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:39.039
almost like a brother to him. He did a lot
733
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:42.599
of business with him against he had they were He
734
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:44.320
was a take team champion up there for a long
735
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.079
long time, and he was one of the ones that
736
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:51.880
were very instrumental in letting Vince know that I might
737
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:56.599
be the guy. Vince McMahon sor was calling these promoters
738
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:59.320
up and asking who would be the best All American boy.
739
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:00.159
And.
740
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:05.199
To every promoter that they he talked to the on
741
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:12.039
they only mentioned one name. And when I got in
742
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:16.000
the business, I wanted to outwork everybody. When I got
743
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:17.559
in the business, I figured I was going to do
744
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:22.400
a few things. I started going to hospitals to visit
745
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:26.360
kids in the in the seventies and seventy four seventy five,
746
00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:27.800
I thought, you know, I'm going to do this, because
747
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:31.320
that's called going the extra mile. And I started stopping
748
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:35.159
at high schools to help out the amateur wrestling teams
749
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.079
that were at the schools in the towns that we
750
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:40.960
went to in Texas at the time. And I continued
751
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:44.119
to do that, and I think it trickled back to
752
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:46.400
the promoters in each town that I was doing it in,
753
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:50.920
and I think it was worth it in the long
754
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.840
run because the promoters knew me well enough to say
755
00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:58.559
to Vince McMahon, this is the guy inside the ring,
756
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:03.679
and this is the guy outside of the ring. And
757
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:08.280
that's how I actually got my opportunity was because of
758
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:10.760
the promoters mentioned in my name.
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To follow up on that and moving to the WWF
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and working for a physic Man Senior, A big theme
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00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.559
in your book is the close relationship you had, close
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business relationship, a personal relationship you.
783
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:29.079
Have with with.
784
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:35.239
Jay McMahon and like for you to talk about that relationship.
785
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:40.400
Because he Vince Senior became a dad to me about
786
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:43.719
six months before I got the championship, which is on
787
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:48.239
February twentieth of nineteen seventy eight, he promised me that
788
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:52.760
he was going to put the belt on me, and
789
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:55.960
I was coming up from Florida and wrestling on TV,
790
00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:58.840
and he was trying to give me exposure to the
791
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:05.360
people fans of the WWWS. Back then, I heard that
792
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:09.320
some people were trying to talk him out of that
793
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:15.960
and that wasn't a good decision. And then when Billy
794
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:24.679
Superstar Graham won the belt from Bruno San Martino, Billy
795
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:27.639
Superstar Graham wanted to trust trying to talk Vince out
796
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:31.360
of putting the belt on me. Also because Billy Superstar
797
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:38.880
Graham was having big crowds every night, and Vince Menci
798
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:41.880
Senior on the day of the Garden, he got me
799
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:44.840
aside and he said they wanted me to not do this,
800
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.440
but I told him I gave Bob Backland my word
801
00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:52.000
and we're going to make him a winner. And I
802
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:56.199
never forgot that. I think about Vince McMahon every day
803
00:48:56.320 --> 00:49:01.360
of my life because of his intense read his honor.
804
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:05.760
It was a pleasure to work under that man, because
805
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:07.760
he wouldn't tell you you were going to do something.
806
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:16.360
He'd ask you for an opinion. When you work for
807
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:21.199
a Vince new Man. There's no stress. You knew everything.
808
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:26.440
And I wouldn't trade my time that I spent with
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00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:32.360
Vincewoodman Senior with anything else in the world. Think about
810
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:37.960
mister Sheek. You know Vince Man as well as I do.
811
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:40.639
Not as long, but I think as well as I do.
812
00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:46.440
Absolutely, mister Backland, because like I said myself, I was
813
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:50.960
the Midwest and also close to course after that myself
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00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:55.679
mcwam called me ovent today number one company in the world.
815
00:49:56.239 --> 00:50:00.760
W W that time was a WWF. I have a
816
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:03.920
lot of respect as long as I live for.
817
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:08.119
Mister mcwan and his family because he was the number
818
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:12.079
one the mother in the world to give me great
819
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:16.280
and I'll make a good living later on. Maybe something
820
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:19.880
I did bad, I pay for my due. And also
821
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:24.599
I want to let the all young generation in the
822
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:28.440
America know and if.
823
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:31.800
We want to be Champain, you want to be the best,
824
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:35.800
and look at the Orange sheet where he comes from,
825
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:36.519
where he does.
826
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:41.559
But sometimes bad thing push me back and take me
827
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:45.599
down and costs me a lot of things. But still
828
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:49.360
I have a lot of respect for mister mcqwin senior
829
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:51.400
and his son and his family.
830
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:54.920
Number one company in the world, and I'm happy to
831
00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:57.400
do that today. Come here with the.
832
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:02.679
Greatest six years, Champlain, mister Bob Backland, to act resting
833
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:06.199
with him, plager for me and to see him again
834
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:09.679
one of the greatest men. Good hard work. That's because
835
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:15.079
mister Rickman noticed that young man deserveth to be champion
836
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:19.440
for six years. So I just want to say, I
837
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:23.079
mean God to help me to pay for my due
838
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:27.519
to our compted New York and mister b mister Buckland
839
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:30.079
said that man was whatever he said.
840
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:34.280
He meaned, and he was the greatest promoter for.
841
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:36.719
Me to our resting for his company.
842
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:41.960
And I'm happy to there from mister Bob Buckland to
843
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:44.840
the Orange Sheet and all of the songs that Ja.
844
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:51.039
Bronnie Hogan and guitar player. Come to there, Yeah, come.
845
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:54.079
To there and double with w E number one company
846
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:59.679
without mister Bob Buckland, without mister Orangstreet and without w.
847
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:05.280
W E legend and an owner and the president mister
848
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:10.679
Rickman Hog Hogan was real Jevronie Big Tom j.
849
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:12.559
Yeah.
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00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:15.199
So now.
851
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:25.239
Yeah, no, I'm happy, chorgerel Champlin Chorgen enjoyed my talking.
852
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:28.079
Enjoy to come.
853
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:33.880
Today the greatest wrestling country. What's in loyal Dan Gable Country?
854
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.800
Iron cheek? You have changed my follow up question. I
855
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:39.039
have a new follow up question.
856
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:43.679
You did not get to practice the art of interviews
857
00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:46.280
or as they're called today, promos in amateur wrestling, probably
858
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:49.320
all that often, or on Olympic TELEVI in the Olympics.
859
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.800
But when you got to professional wrestling, there's cameras, there's
860
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:57.320
selling tickets, there's getting the crowd engaged in the fight.
861
00:52:57.679 --> 00:52:59.079
Did that come naturally to you?
862
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:01.559
Was that something that you had help with or that
863
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:03.480
you felt comfortable with right out of the bat, because
864
00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:06.119
obviously with the crowd response here, you know how to
865
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:06.719
owne a crowd.
866
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:10.679
Well, to me, it was a natural because you know,
867
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:14.760
I speak from mind and heart and I feel it.
868
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:19.239
What I can say about that topics sport too, I
869
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:22.159
grew up since fourteen years old to.
870
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:26.760
Right now, and just for me was a natural because
871
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.480
I mean, you know, I'm in a marcham, I'm a wrestler.
872
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:35.679
University of Minnesota coach and assistant coach mister Allen Rights Macevonia.
873
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:42.079
I mean, to me, it was really natural because the
874
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:45.480
only game I had, only a sport I had all.
875
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:48.559
My life and it was a three star girl Roman
876
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:52.400
to a com w W holy fame, legend, whatever.
877
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:55.960
And I mean to me, it was a natural because
878
00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:59.360
a lot of good people under me and they helped
879
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:00.599
me and teach me.
880
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:03.880
And if you want something, you make it.
881
00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:07.239
And I want to say to the new generation in
882
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:10.599
w W, E number one company in the world, all
883
00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:14.480
of them, they're doing great and all of the battle stuff,
884
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:18.280
and then I think a lot of sports is is
885
00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:22.519
still the best in the number one in the world.
886
00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:27.119
I first saw you.
887
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:29.239
I'm a North Carolina boy and I first saw you
888
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:34.039
working for the Crockets in Charlotte, and I remember it
889
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.519
vividly because you were such a unique character. You were
890
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:41.960
such a such a great attraction. Talk about changing from
891
00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:46.599
Kaser Vassiri in the a w A and then using
892
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:49.199
more of your more of your heritage, and talk about
893
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:54.000
the pressures of working there during the Iran hostage crisis,
894
00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:59.000
because I remember I remember as a fan thinking he's tremendous.
895
00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:02.159
But they know or said the word. You never said
896
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:04.960
the word hostage. You never said Kamani. Then, I mean
897
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:06.559
I was I was very impressed with that. But I
898
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:10.400
and what a great wrestler in the ring when we
899
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:13.199
were going to say tremendous stuff, thank.
900
00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:13.800
You, thank you.
901
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:17.519
You know this because Laco said, that's a cheap hit,
902
00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:22.559
because the real chaplain going in the ring and do
903
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:27.360
his best and shrotively gives the people good match, good show, whatever,
904
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:31.159
And that to me it was a cheap I can't
905
00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:35.559
mention too much about politician or about Ayatollahomeny or about
906
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:38.440
Iran that I wasn't not involved.
907
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:39.559
With a palitician.
908
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:42.920
But I was in the North Caroana.
909
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:46.440
Mister for Master Jimmy Crockett, her mother and his son
910
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:50.159
David and another one. So to me, it was a
911
00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:54.199
good in North Caroana, and I traveled over there lots,
912
00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:55.960
and I lock North.
913
00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:58.159
Carolina but not Krano.
914
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:01.480
It was good for me, but not luck New York.
915
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:05.280
New York was different than North Carolina. But I had
916
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:06.320
a lot of good friend in.
917
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:10.480
North Carolinas only Underson brother Jean under Zoon.
918
00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:14.320
I troubled with the gene and then uh, master Vic
919
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:15.280
Prayer was over.
920
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:18.639
There and then uh a lot of a lot of
921
00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:19.039
a lot of.
922
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:22.559
The big name good wrestler in also in North Carolino
923
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:28.000
and I and I enjoyed and but it was different than.
924
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:30.000
For me than than New York.
925
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:33.920
Okay, just to tell a story, I went to see
926
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:38.360
you wrestle Jim Brunzell Christians Hotel here last year at
927
00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:41.519
the at the w r L Television Studios for from
928
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:44.000
for the for the TV and I went with some
929
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:48.400
skeptical people, and by the time you and Jim Brunzell finished,
930
00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:52.559
they weren't skeptical anymore. They were very impressed, and they're
931
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:53.360
you know, they were.
932
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:55.400
New to it, and they're just like, Wow, I get it.
933
00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:59.239
And I still that match stays me to this day.
934
00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:00.440
Change served.
935
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:04.840
Jim Bronzilla was a young All American from Minnesota come
936
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:05.880
to the North Carolina.
937
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:08.679
We had a great match, and I was also mid
938
00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:09.960
Autlantic chaplain.
939
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:16.159
And then Jim burn Zella accident former good wrestler from Minnesota,
940
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:18.639
and and we had a good lot of good matches
941
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:25.039
in the Minnesota with Jim Braunzilla and another one running.
942
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:29.480
Arven And then which is the red Flair was there?
943
00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:35.000
I mean North Carolina was a top three territory in
944
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:40.360
America and New York, Minnesota and North Carolina I was
945
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:44.320
we go and the promoter was a mister Georgia Scott.
946
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:49.800
And then we traveled from uh Charlotte, come to the
947
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:53.400
Georgia make our television tape over there, and was a
948
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:54.840
good or for me.
949
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:58.519
And and also I had a lot of memory in
950
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:04.760
the North Carolano on good for me, but but different
951
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:05.760
than New York.
952
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:09.559
Yes, mister backlind you talked about vincc mann senior and
953
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:11.159
being very close to him. I think a lot of
954
00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:14.440
people would be interested because vincucmann Junior, Vincent K. McMahon
955
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:17.400
still in control of the wrestling industry for the most
956
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:21.639
part today. When you first were around vincemcmann junior, Vince
957
00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:25.639
Senior's son, talk about your early impressions of him and
958
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:29.159
maybe a funny story and observation and just your your
959
00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:33.280
your thoughts being around him and imagining that someday he
960
00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:35.760
would take over for his dad. Did you have confidence
961
00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:38.239
that he would have the type of success that he has.
962
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:44.400
Had, well, Vince. I always thought Vince and Vince Junior
963
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:49.440
were together on everything. I thought they were talking behind
964
00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:53.320
the scenes before Vince Senior came to me with something,
965
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:55.519
maybe ending of a match or something, or whether I
966
00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:58.159
was going to wrestle with a mister chic. I thought
967
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:00.639
they were discussing it with each other, and I thought
968
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:02.480
they were making decisions on how they thought.
969
00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:04.480
But I found out but.
970
00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:09.079
That wasn't true at all. Vince and Vince Junior were
971
00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:13.639
one hundred and eighty degree different, one hundred and eighty
972
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:14.400
degree different.
973
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:17.119
If you were going to.
974
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Make a switch to them, it would.
975
00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:19.639
Be one hundred and eighty degrees.
976
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:25.519
And at the time, it was hard to make decisions
977
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:27.920
because it was like fire in the air in the
978
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:34.639
wrestling business in nineteen eighty four. It was rocking, and
979
00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:41.440
there was war, and there was promises made that weren't kept,
980
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:50.719
and Vince Senior never hid from the guys. When this
981
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:55.760
got stirred up, it was hard to get to Vince Junior.
982
00:59:58.519 --> 00:59:59.519
It was hard to find him.
983
01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:02.239
And I.
984
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:08.039
Didn't have a liking for Vince Junior for a long time,
985
01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:17.599
but I understand now about the hardships he had, and
986
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:21.800
I'm not very bitter or anything like that. I think
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01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:26.519
he's the hardest working man in the entertainment business. He's
988
01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:31.000
out there every night at Monday night, rod SmackDown with
989
01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:34.320
his headphones on, telling the referees, why did you miss that?
990
01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:36.920
Or the wrestler you should have had a better facial
991
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:44.960
question he's very into detail and I don't and I
992
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:49.559
didn't have any doubts that Vince McMahon r. Wasn't going
993
01:00:49.639 --> 01:00:55.440
to attain his goals. I didn't doubt that at all
994
01:00:56.880 --> 01:01:02.000
because he had such a strong found day. The foundation
995
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:10.079
of the WWWF back then was built on guys like
996
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:26.000
Bruno San Martino, Pedro Morales, guys like Don Morocco, Jimmy Snooker,
997
01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:32.960
the Iron Sheet, the Iron Chek played a very important
998
01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:39.760
role in vinced Junior's success. And I know the Iron
999
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:43.960
Cheek maybe had some problems with that, but he made
1000
01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:48.639
the right decisions and I know he checked on those
1001
01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:53.239
decisions and thought about him for a long time. I'm
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01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:58.199
saying you did the right thing, Iron Sheet, Thank you much.
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01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:00.320
The Rockland, I have a lot of struck for you,
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01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:05.400
to least you know where our country dot com, what
1005
01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:09.119
I did in America and a special WWE.
1006
01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:09.880
Number one company.
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01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:13.840
What I want to say a sid I'm happy to
1008
01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:17.000
v with you today in the Botcher Louai Wa then
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01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:19.880
gave a country and I'm very happy.
1010
01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:20.760
To see you again.
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01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:25.199
And one of the biggest stay for me and a
1012
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:29.719
special my young agents and Meghan and his fathers are
1013
01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:33.039
here and my family Here's got a lot of good
1014
01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:36.679
friends in the Boer Loop. I'm very happy to be
1015
01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:41.000
today to see you again since the Olympic nineteen seventy
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01:02:41.079 --> 01:02:45.400
two Moonic Germany and now I'm in the batter lou
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01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:47.239
Wah after forty years.
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01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:50.360
God bless w W and then gave it.
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01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:53.119
Admit it.
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01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:54.880
You love Nick bar Batty when he co hosts with
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01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:56.679
me on the Wade Keller Post Shows. Well, now you
1022
01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:59.039
can listen to him every week on The Nikkis Club,
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you more.
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Hey, wrestling fans, It's Nick Barbatty and I'm back with
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Mister Backlin will take you back just a little bit
1040
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:48.239
from what you were talking about. You had a six
1041
01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:53.440
year reign as WWA champion, You sold out Madison Square Guard,
1042
01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:55.480
and you were very successful in the big markets in
1043
01:03:55.559 --> 01:03:56.199
the Northeast.
1044
01:03:57.079 --> 01:03:59.559
Talk about the opponents.
1045
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:01.280
That you were the most sussel with. I think of
1046
01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:03.719
Don Rocco, who you talked about, my myth from Morocco,
1047
01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:07.920
and what a contrast he was to you. The all American,
1048
01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:11.159
the all American, the Ray Band, Sun Glasses, I think
1049
01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:15.280
I have mine on and Greg Valentine, and but you
1050
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:21.400
had just the who's who of wrestling villains too to
1051
01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:22.239
do business with.
1052
01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:23.039
Talk about that.
1053
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:26.800
Talk about your reign, your very successful reign in WF champion.
1054
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:29.119
Well, Vince mcmanon Senior said he was going to bring
1055
01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:34.159
the best in and ladies and gentlemen. I was trained
1056
01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:44.280
by Harley Race, Dorry Funk, Terry Funk, Jack Brisco, and
1057
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:48.559
they showed me how to do it, and they were
1058
01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:50.960
training me to be the n w A champion, which
1059
01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:55.039
I didn't know way back when. And in the nw
1060
01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:59.320
A you had to wrestle Dusty Rhodes in Florida, and
1061
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:02.679
you had to be because you're the champion. But you
1062
01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:08.679
had to make him stronger. You had to make him
1063
01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:12.519
better because he was going to stay in Florida and
1064
01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:16.480
keep making money for that territory. And the next night
1065
01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:20.039
you'd wrestle in Texas and you'd wrestle with some big
1066
01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:25.800
heel and you had to beat the babyface, and you
1067
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:32.599
had to travel. And I was prepared to go and
1068
01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:37.760
wrestle with people in the WWF that Vince McMahon wanted
1069
01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:42.960
me to, and I was prepared to make them look good.
1070
01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:50.360
I was prepared to let him share in the drawing power.
1071
01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:58.880
Don Morocco, I beat him? How good was his career
1072
01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:06.760
after I beat him? Don Morocco? Sergeant Slaughter, I beat.
1073
01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:09.400
Him, I got carried out of the ring.
1074
01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:14.039
I won the match, but he won the war. I
1075
01:06:14.239 --> 01:06:20.719
was a constant underdog. How good did Sergeant Slaughter do
1076
01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:21.719
after I beat him?
1077
01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:22.920
Became a phenomenon?
1078
01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:26.320
Working with the Iron Shape, Yes, sir, they had matches
1079
01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:33.400
that were above all levels and Jimmy Suka. How good
1080
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:37.000
did he do? After I got carried out in the stretcher.
1081
01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:39.719
He became the biggest box office draw in the world.
1082
01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:43.280
In a cage match in Madison Square Garden where he
1083
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:52.800
jumped off the top of the cage. I loved the
1084
01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:59.159
people that he sent to me, and I changed the business.
1085
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:06.119
The undercard started meaning something. And I'm not saying anything
1086
01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:09.920
negative about Bruno San Martino, but he was a monster,
1087
01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:15.320
strongest guy in the world probably, and he went out
1088
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:22.239
there and he beat people. He wasn't really thinking about
1089
01:07:22.400 --> 01:07:26.480
their career, but that was his job, and he was
1090
01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:38.559
the draw in the WWF back in his day. We
1091
01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:41.159
were complete opposite. It was one hundred degree difference, and
1092
01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:43.920
I think that's what Vince was trying to make happen.
1093
01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:51.320
It was a little more control for him, and I
1094
01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:55.800
think that was purposely done to change the way the
1095
01:07:55.840 --> 01:08:00.239
business was out.
1096
01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:03.440
Let's talk about the when you found out that you
1097
01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:07.519
would be instrumental in that transition with Bob Ackland to
1098
01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:10.199
Hakog and how was that presented to you, and how
1099
01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:13.159
did you feel about the news being delivered that that
1100
01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:15.400
was on its way and how much did you know
1101
01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:16.239
when that was happening.
1102
01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:21.279
Well, I didn't know too much about it to the.
1103
01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:31.760
One month, and I mean just I feel at that
1104
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:34.760
time was too for the.
1105
01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:40.359
Orange sheet after many years to the traveling and paper
1106
01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:42.359
is due and hard working.
1107
01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:46.000
And all the time was ready to.
1108
01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:50.319
Arg and be the w W Champlain and I've never
1109
01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:53.800
forgotten back then did the great job for me and
1110
01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:57.439
put me over and I want to say, without mister
1111
01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:00.960
McBrien and we got master back then, I cannot be
1112
01:09:01.479 --> 01:09:02.479
here today.
1113
01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:03.840
And it was.
1114
01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:10.439
Great, great feelings for me, like I said, I mean,
1115
01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:13.760
I mean, like I said, I grew.
1116
01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:17.960
Up with wrestling and it was everything was hard for
1117
01:09:18.079 --> 01:09:22.199
me to Geral America but myself not speak English and
1118
01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:25.560
not too many friends and be a bad guy and
1119
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:30.680
with the Atollo flag and and uh you know speak
1120
01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:34.560
for c and but but I loved my sports so
1121
01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:38.319
much I said, someday we're gonna be my tour to.
1122
01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:42.359
Aby Champlain changed to god, I made it now even.
1123
01:09:42.279 --> 01:09:45.079
I'm handicapped a lot of damage into my knee an
1124
01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:46.800
killed bar because that.
1125
01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:48.000
Was part of my job.
1126
01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:52.760
But but I'm happy is still and to the mister
1127
01:09:52.920 --> 01:09:59.760
McMahan and teactured me and I'm just to meet it
1128
01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:03.640
to be the Hall of Fame or champ whin. I
1129
01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:07.880
cannot forget about my sport. I know I have up
1130
01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:10.920
and down, a lot of damage sometimes in my body,
1131
01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:14.119
and a lot of bad thing on the roads sometimes.
1132
01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:18.119
But still I'm a good example for the.
1133
01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:23.600
Young generation in America and all over the world. If
1134
01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:25.199
you want to be champlain, if you want to be
1135
01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:28.159
the best, you don't mix it. You have to ready
1136
01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:34.560
go practice and paychich to your sport, and then you
1137
01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:38.439
have to love it to be the best. But sometimes
1138
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:42.840
sometimes bad friend, and I don't want to put the
1139
01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:45.640
hit to the bad friend, and a harder about my
1140
01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:49.640
job a sport, I added something bad thing, and I
1141
01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:53.319
pay for my dude costicity lose a million million dollars,
1142
01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:56.279
but love still changes to God.
1143
01:10:57.640 --> 01:10:58.119
I'm here.
1144
01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:01.880
I want to ask both of you this question, and
1145
01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:03.680
either of you can jump in first. I want to
1146
01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:06.680
know what era of your career you had the most
1147
01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:08.960
fun with what you talk about. You have to have
1148
01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:11.159
a passion for what you do to be successful, and
1149
01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:14.079
obviously your professionals you're doing it for the money, You're
1150
01:11:14.159 --> 01:11:16.279
doing it because the promoter puts a lot of faith
1151
01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:16.479
in you.
1152
01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:17.600
But you have to have fun.
1153
01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:21.239
What part of the business for you, what era of
1154
01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:23.359
it and what aspect of it did you love the
1155
01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:25.760
most that kept it, kept it rolling and kept your
1156
01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:26.560
enthusiasm going.
1157
01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:30.279
Go ahead, well, get to have.
1158
01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:33.079
Every day and the head the gym were parts running
1159
01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:38.079
and stay good shaped barbone and then love my business
1160
01:11:38.199 --> 01:11:40.720
and pay attention to the old time in La Bruno
1161
01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:43.000
Sammartinos and some another and.
1162
01:11:43.119 --> 01:11:48.119
Greatest wrestler in the w W and w O or
1163
01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:49.439
all over the country.
1164
01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:54.359
And uh it was to me was different because I'm
1165
01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:59.239
the first Middle Easter Iranian come to the greatest professional
1166
01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:00.640
wrestling country.
1167
01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:06.920
And it was very hard, very rough and not.
1168
01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:13.239
You know, I mean travel every day and airport to
1169
01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:17.520
the airport, and sometimes I had a cup of.
1170
01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:20.439
Cold beer make me relaxed on some another thing. And
1171
01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:25.279
you know, I mean I cannot say I didn't have it,
1172
01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:26.520
but I had it.
1173
01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:30.960
It's good to have it. But also moderation is number one.
1174
01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:38.840
I want to talk about the art of a wrestling match,
1175
01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:43.119
and this art isn't there anymore.
1176
01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:48.439
You start out here and you want to end up here,
1177
01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:56.600
and you build that slowly throughout the match. You're trying
1178
01:12:56.640 --> 01:13:01.439
to draw the people in the crowd into it slowly
1179
01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:07.079
as you go through these certain moves in motion, and
1180
01:13:07.239 --> 01:13:10.920
you listen to the crowd and they tell you what
1181
01:13:11.199 --> 01:13:15.520
what direction you're going to go by the way they react,
1182
01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:21.760
and you build it. You build it, and you build it,
1183
01:13:22.159 --> 01:13:24.960
and you want to blow the roofus at the end,
1184
01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:30.359
not in the middle. There's a lot of matches.
1185
01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:34.359
The middle is bigger than the end.
1186
01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:38.920
Back in the day, the peak always had.
1187
01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:44.359
To be at the end. You go home at the end.
1188
01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:48.840
You want to get those people involved in liking it.
1189
01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:54.199
I had people that I had me and the the
1190
01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:59.960
the cold call the short arm scissor, and I try
1191
01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:02.680
to pick him up once and I couldn't do it.
1192
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:06.399
The next time I tried to pick them up, people
1193
01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:10.399
were more involved and they cheered louder. And then the
1194
01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:13.079
next time, on the third time, I'd try to do
1195
01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:16.720
it again and they the crowd would even start louder.
1196
01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:18.920
Because you thought you were helping me get out of
1197
01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:22.079
the hold. Well you were. You were making me stronger
1198
01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:26.640
by they are adrenaline in my body. I picked up
1199
01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:29.600
Paul Cogan with one arm. I could have never did
1200
01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:33.840
that in practice. I gave the toomic knee drop to
1201
01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:40.000
crush your Blackwell three four hundred and fifty pounds because
1202
01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:43.800
of you, and because of you being involved the match.
1203
01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:48.920
My whole life in the wrestling business was like a
1204
01:14:48.960 --> 01:14:49.720
wrestling match.
1205
01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:51.800
It started at the.
1206
01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:55.079
Bottom, and it built, and it built and it built,
1207
01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:59.039
and you got behind me stronger and stronger on a
1208
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:00.079
day to day base.
1209
01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:06.560
When I walked into the ring, there's nothing that Vince
1210
01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:08.119
McMahon asked me to do things.
1211
01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:11.199
I never questioned it. There was no option like that.
1212
01:15:11.560 --> 01:15:12.479
I had to do it.
1213
01:15:15.239 --> 01:15:19.399
In the dressing him one time he said, called Ernie
1214
01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:22.000
Ladd six ten, three.
1215
01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:25.279
Hundred and fifty pounds, He's gonna do the Tomic knee
1216
01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:30.520
drop to you. Ernie Ladd said after the match, I
1217
01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:35.199
wouldn't have believed it unless I was there when Vincent
1218
01:15:35.279 --> 01:15:37.119
Man said that, I couldn't question it.
1219
01:15:37.399 --> 01:15:38.439
I had to do it.
1220
01:15:43.399 --> 01:15:47.159
It was like a wrestling match my career. I loved
1221
01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:53.039
every minute of it, even though it wasn't fun. Sometimes.
1222
01:15:54.960 --> 01:15:56.520
I loved the climbing the ladder.
1223
01:15:57.039 --> 01:16:03.279
I loved the excitement, and I love the story told.
1224
01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:06.640
And I was trying to be a good role model,
1225
01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:10.520
and I'm still trying to be a good role model.
1226
01:16:11.159 --> 01:16:15.119
I go out there and I want to inspire every
1227
01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:20.560
person in the building of all ages, because it's never
1228
01:16:20.920 --> 01:16:26.840
too late to make your life better. Thank you very much,
1229
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:27.800
ladies and gentlemen.
1230
01:16:28.119 --> 01:16:30.800
I gotta get to the gym. I gotta work out
1231
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:34.079
right now. Thank you, good night, and we'll see you later.
1232
01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:41.600
Thank you, thank you, thank you very much.
1233
01:16:41.720 --> 01:16:42.359
Appreciate you.
1234
01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:47.399
Good good, Thank you, do you much your back, thank you,
1235
01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:48.399
thank you.
1236
01:16:58.159 --> 01:16:58.840
You got that.
1237
01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:08.840
Okay, that's right, Hold up, thank you quick.
1238
01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:13.680
You're doing right up here.
1239
01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:29.920
Okay, oh, thank you.
1240
01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:30.880
Well.
1241
01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:33.279
I don't know Bob knows a chic, but we we
1242
01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:36.479
have three more hours to fill of podcast TODs.
1243
01:17:36.520 --> 01:17:37.840
So no, no, I'm kidding.
1244
01:17:39.359 --> 01:17:43.239
My STERI back then, my ster back then, steal you
1245
01:17:43.479 --> 01:17:43.800
have it.
1246
01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:51.119
You don't have No, he's not je Ronnie.
1247
01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:52.239
He's a very good man.
1248
01:17:52.720 --> 01:17:57.199
I have a lot of him, you know, mister Bob Bucke.
1249
01:17:58.600 --> 01:18:25.600
Yeah, thank you, yeah, yeah, thank you, mister Blank Josolen.
1250
01:18:26.199 --> 01:18:26.880
Yeah, thank you.
1251
01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:30.520
She for your stories and your insights and sharing your
1252
01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:32.960
time with the audience today. Thank you everybody for joining
1253
01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:35.119
us here at the museum. It's it's great show and support,
1254
01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:39.399
and we thank you for coming here from Iowa or
1255
01:18:39.880 --> 01:18:43.359
across the country. And showing support for UH, something that
1256
01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:46.720
I have been touting since last year when I made
1257
01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:48.119
my first appearance here.
1258
01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:49.680
This museum is special.
1259
01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:53.039
It is run by good people and I think they
1260
01:18:53.159 --> 01:18:56.800
are paying a tremendous tribute in some very classy ways
1261
01:18:56.840 --> 01:18:59.920
that deserve the attention and the attendance that we're giving it.
1262
01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:03.039
And to have Bob and Cheek here and to be
1263
01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:05.079
able to share stories and insights with them is a
1264
01:19:05.119 --> 01:19:07.359
big part of that. And you guys being here is
1265
01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:08.840
why it can happen. So thank you for that too.
1266
01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:10.920
Thanks, thank you.
1267
01:19:19.079 --> 01:19:21.840
All right, well, thanks for joining me here. This is
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01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:25.680
WAYD Keller back after listening in on the podcast recorded
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01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:29.079
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01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:34.039
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Wake Up, Hey, Wake Up. You're not from Portland and
1290
01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:44.680
didn't grow up in the sixties seventies radies. You have
1291
01:20:44.840 --> 01:20:48.479
no idea what the hell I just did? The hell
1292
01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:51.640
did I just say? I'll tell you what I said,
1293
01:20:52.359 --> 01:20:55.800
as you probably heard a couple of week earlier. This week,
1294
01:20:56.399 --> 01:21:00.359
about a week ago or so, that the legend very
1295
01:21:01.000 --> 01:21:04.439
pitch man for Portland Wrestling, one of the great sponsors
1296
01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:12.239
of Portland Wrestling, Tom Peterson, passed away. It was very sad,
1297
01:21:13.640 --> 01:21:15.640
you know. He he had been he had been sick
1298
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:20.159
for for quite some time. So that's that's understandable. But
1299
01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:24.600
you know, and he was eighty six years old. That's
1300
01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:29.079
that's another thing. But Tom was a legend, you know.
1301
01:21:29.079 --> 01:21:31.520
And I don't know where wherever you grew up. And
1302
01:21:31.640 --> 01:21:33.680
this is the thing, if you're too young to remember this,
1303
01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:41.760
there were you know, there was a time when how
1304
01:21:41.800 --> 01:21:43.359
do you how do you put this? There was a
1305
01:21:43.439 --> 01:21:52.319
time when you had these crazy, these crazy local commercials
1306
01:21:54.039 --> 01:22:00.399
with these crazy pitch man I guess carvel Cakes in
1307
01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:02.520
in New York would qualify.
1308
01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:03.479
Uh.
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01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:05.000
You know, we talked about I think on the first
1310
01:22:05.039 --> 01:22:08.000
episode we talked about Bob Luce and his wrestling, and
1311
01:22:08.079 --> 01:22:12.920
we talked about Moose Cholac and UH and the commercials
1312
01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:16.439
he did for his place. Also we've talked about Mad
1313
01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:20.159
Dog Vashan when he did commercials in the Minneapolis area
1314
01:22:20.439 --> 01:22:24.079
for god what beer was it. I don't even remember
1315
01:22:24.119 --> 01:22:26.800
it off the top of my head. But Tom Peterson
1316
01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:31.960
was in that vein and you know, and in the
1317
01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:34.439
world we live in, and and don't get me wrong,
1318
01:22:34.640 --> 01:22:36.279
I you know, the world we live in is a
1319
01:22:36.359 --> 01:22:39.760
decent place. When we've got things are much slicker, things
1320
01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:43.039
are faster, things communicate better. But one of the things
1321
01:22:43.119 --> 01:22:46.600
we are missing are those crazy local characters like that.
1322
01:22:46.800 --> 01:22:48.920
It's just it's just not the same. There was There
1323
01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:53.960
was cal Worthington in California, the car dealer who would
1324
01:22:53.960 --> 01:22:56.079
eat a bug to make you a deal, or stand
1325
01:22:56.159 --> 01:22:59.199
on his head to make you a deal, and then
1326
01:22:59.239 --> 01:23:02.520
he got kicked out of California for our ethical business practices.
1327
01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:06.359
But by god, those commercials were funny, and that's that's
1328
01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:12.319
really what matters, isn't it. So we had Tom Peterson
1329
01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:16.039
in Portland all that stuff. In Seattle, there was Dick Balch.
1330
01:23:17.039 --> 01:23:20.439
There were the the Rainier Beers, the stampeding herd of
1331
01:23:20.560 --> 01:23:26.039
Rainier Beers, these giant bottles of beer that people put
1332
01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:28.039
over their heads and they would run around. They were
1333
01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:31.319
like like a stampeding herd of deer or bison or something,
1334
01:23:31.359 --> 01:23:34.239
but they were these large beer bottles. So there was
1335
01:23:34.279 --> 01:23:38.279
all kinds of crazy stuff. And Tom Peterson fit that mold.
1336
01:23:39.640 --> 01:23:41.800
And I don't know where you grew up or if
1337
01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:44.000
you even know what the hell I'm talking about, but
1338
01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:47.760
that's why, you know Tom Peterson was such a big
1339
01:23:47.960 --> 01:23:48.760
big deal.
1340
01:23:50.720 --> 01:23:51.920
Was because.
1341
01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:57.960
He uh, you know, he was just he was the
1342
01:23:58.119 --> 01:24:00.920
guy in Portland. I mean, he was very amus in Portland.
1343
01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:04.239
He you know, he's in a bunch of movies because
1344
01:24:04.279 --> 01:24:07.720
of his affiliation with with Portland. And you know, he
1345
01:24:07.880 --> 01:24:11.079
was he was eighty six years old, so I mean
1346
01:24:11.159 --> 01:24:15.760
he was born in nineteen thirty and so obviously he
1347
01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:18.720
had very different sensibilities and different things. He had that
1348
01:24:19.199 --> 01:24:22.800
he had this flat top marine haircut, and that was
1349
01:24:22.960 --> 01:24:26.239
part of his his persona. I mean, this thing was
1350
01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:33.520
you know, you could you could take a level and
1351
01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:35.600
put it on top of his head and I'm sure
1352
01:24:35.640 --> 01:24:39.159
that bubble would not move on Tom Peterson's hair, that
1353
01:24:39.319 --> 01:24:43.960
flat top marine haircut. But also part of his appeal
1354
01:24:44.239 --> 01:24:52.479
was his crazy, his crazy, nutty wacky commercials. And that's
1355
01:24:52.640 --> 01:24:55.560
what the fun of his of his whole deal was,
1356
01:24:58.760 --> 01:25:03.399
is that he was Tom Peterson and that he uh,
1357
01:25:05.199 --> 01:25:06.319
he was just fun.
1358
01:25:07.800 --> 01:25:08.439
He was just.
1359
01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:13.119
He was just fun. Wake up, wake up. And I
1360
01:25:13.199 --> 01:25:18.920
mean everybody loved Everybody loved Tom Peterson. Everybody did. There
1361
01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:23.239
wasn't there's not anybody alive who did not love Tom Peterson.
1362
01:25:23.279 --> 01:25:27.560
And he'd been sick for quite some time. He's, uh,
1363
01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:33.640
he'd suffered from Parkinson's and his wife Gloria take care
1364
01:25:33.720 --> 01:25:35.640
of him, and you know, he'd been in this home
1365
01:25:35.760 --> 01:25:37.319
for for quite a while.
1366
01:25:39.199 --> 01:25:39.800
And uh.
1367
01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:44.840
And and and of course you you know you've probably
1368
01:25:44.920 --> 01:25:52.640
heard regardless of whether or not you you have listened
1369
01:25:52.680 --> 01:25:54.680
to uh you know, you know Portland Wrestling or not.
1370
01:25:55.399 --> 01:25:59.840
You know, you know that.
1371
01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:04.319
But one of the sponsors went bankrupt and that sponsor,
1372
01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:13.239
that sponsor was Tom Peterson. And he didn't go out
1373
01:26:13.319 --> 01:26:18.000
of business, he just went bankrupt. He bought stereo superstores
1374
01:26:18.039 --> 01:26:21.359
in the early nineties and that just kind of took
1375
01:26:21.560 --> 01:26:24.640
care of a lot of his capital and so he
1376
01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:27.199
was still in business up until like two thousand and nine,
1377
01:26:27.279 --> 01:26:31.119
I think. But it was just the timing of you know,
1378
01:26:31.239 --> 01:26:35.399
the problems with the Oregon Boxing Wrestling Commission, you know,
1379
01:26:35.479 --> 01:26:40.560
the territories dying out anyway, don owen getting older, and
1380
01:26:40.760 --> 01:26:42.880
then you know, Tom Peterson lost a lot of money.
1381
01:26:43.119 --> 01:26:47.039
And also the TV station KPTV Channel twelve. You know,
1382
01:26:47.239 --> 01:26:49.960
like a lot of TV stations discovered that it was
1383
01:26:50.720 --> 01:26:52.119
that it was easier.
1384
01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:56.640
To just have.
1385
01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:05.079
Just have you know, recorded programming and not have to
1386
01:27:05.159 --> 01:27:07.680
do live because they would go out to the Portland
1387
01:27:07.760 --> 01:27:11.840
Ports Arena every Saturday night and set up these cameras
1388
01:27:12.199 --> 01:27:14.039
and these I was there's got to be a picture
1389
01:27:14.119 --> 01:27:20.279
somewhere online of these cameras. These cameras were like like
1390
01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:25.239
refrigerators on their side, like refrigerators on a dolly. These
1391
01:27:25.279 --> 01:27:31.560
cameras were ridiculously huge and ridiculously out of date. I mean,
1392
01:27:31.960 --> 01:27:36.199
and this is another thing about wrestling is is in
1393
01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:43.159
the uh in the the sixties, they're still making the
1394
01:27:43.520 --> 01:27:45.840
move to color TV. And you may see like some
1395
01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:49.239
older older shows that say, you know, the World of
1396
01:27:49.319 --> 01:27:52.960
Disney in color, or someone make the phrase live and
1397
01:27:53.039 --> 01:27:55.760
in color, Well that was because you know, they're much
1398
01:27:55.840 --> 01:27:58.439
like the transition to HD, where everyone was talking about
1399
01:27:58.560 --> 01:28:01.279
HD a few years ago and being an HD was
1400
01:28:01.319 --> 01:28:04.439
a big deal that in that era, being in color
1401
01:28:05.119 --> 01:28:08.279
was a big deal. I know that sounds crazy, but
1402
01:28:08.359 --> 01:28:12.439
it's true. As a Christopher crosslong, wasn't it. But we're
1403
01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:15.960
not caught in the world between New York City the
1404
01:28:16.079 --> 01:28:20.520
Moon in New York City, but we are talking about
1405
01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:23.000
you know, wrestling was kind of behind the times, and
1406
01:28:23.079 --> 01:28:26.720
it took a while for Portland Wrestling to get into color.
1407
01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:31.479
And that probably explains because the handles ridiculously huge TV
1408
01:28:31.680 --> 01:28:40.079
cameras for Portland Wrestling, so anyway, Tom Peterson passed away.
1409
01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:45.000
He was a legend as far as advertising goes in Portland,
1410
01:28:45.119 --> 01:28:47.680
and you know, he's you know, you can't have a
1411
01:28:47.720 --> 01:28:52.399
conversation in Portland and talk about Portland wrestling without talking
1412
01:28:52.439 --> 01:28:56.760
about Tom Peterson. And you can't talk about Tom Peterson
1413
01:28:56.800 --> 01:29:02.920
without talking about Portland wrestling. It's just they're just they
1414
01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:06.119
just correspond. Later on, they did this great thing and
1415
01:29:06.159 --> 01:29:08.079
I tried to text him. He hasn't gotten back to me.
1416
01:29:08.079 --> 01:29:09.479
I don't if he got a new phone or he
1417
01:29:09.560 --> 01:29:10.479
doesn't like me anymore.
1418
01:29:10.600 --> 01:29:10.640
What.
1419
01:29:10.800 --> 01:29:13.239
But I tried to get the grappler on because there
1420
01:29:13.359 --> 01:29:18.239
was a probably like nineteen eighty eight, eighty nine, maybe
1421
01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:23.680
maybe ninety, I don't know. Towards the end, Tom Peterson
1422
01:29:23.680 --> 01:29:27.119
would have those cardboard stand ups of him, and he
1423
01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:30.720
brought one into the studio, and the grappler was kind
1424
01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:33.880
of a promo about who knows, you know, Billy Jack
1425
01:29:33.960 --> 01:29:36.960
Haynes or whoever. He was talking about, Steve Doll whatever,
1426
01:29:38.199 --> 01:29:39.840
just out of nowhere. Towards the end of the interview,
1427
01:29:39.880 --> 01:29:42.239
he goes and I'm sick of these Tom Peters. I'm
1428
01:29:42.279 --> 01:29:46.600
sick of Tom Peterson, and he rips the who roofs
1429
01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:50.159
the head off of the Tom Peterson cardboard cutout. It
1430
01:29:50.279 --> 01:29:55.479
was hilarious, but you know, and Tom was like, I
1431
01:29:55.520 --> 01:29:58.119
gotta get revenge on the grappler somehow. I'm not strong,
1432
01:29:58.199 --> 01:30:01.760
I can't fight him, but I'm gonna get revenge somehow
1433
01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:05.279
on the grappler. And I don't know that he ever did,
1434
01:30:05.319 --> 01:30:08.319
but it was still really funny. Tom Peters said he
1435
01:30:08.399 --> 01:30:10.920
used to stack up TVs in the Crow's Nest or
1436
01:30:10.960 --> 01:30:14.680
it did. The shows they would stack up TVs sort
1437
01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:16.760
of looked like a game show, looked like twenty thousand
1438
01:30:16.760 --> 01:30:19.039
dollars pyramid or something with all of the TVs and
1439
01:30:19.159 --> 01:30:23.119
he would stack up in the uh in the Crow's Nest.
1440
01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:26.680
But yeah, it's a time gone by. And I hope
1441
01:30:26.720 --> 01:30:30.840
wherever you live that you had had somebody, some crazy,
1442
01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:37.680
wacky zany guy who does commercials, and you know, there's
1443
01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:40.720
it's some people still do them, but I don't know
1444
01:30:40.800 --> 01:30:42.880
what it is that they don't seem to fit in
1445
01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:46.840
this era. They don't seem to be as effective as
1446
01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:48.640
they used to be. And I don't maybe it's just
1447
01:30:48.680 --> 01:30:53.720
because it's a different era, different generation, different sensibilities, different
1448
01:30:53.760 --> 01:30:57.239
senses of humor. But there's like this one guy who
1449
01:30:57.319 --> 01:30:59.520
has like a mattress store and he's got it's like
1450
01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:04.359
matt Barn or Mattress Ranch or something, and it's it's
1451
01:31:04.439 --> 01:31:06.960
got like all of these cutout animals all over it,
1452
01:31:07.159 --> 01:31:09.800
and it's, well, it's fugly. I'm not gonna lie, it's
1453
01:31:09.880 --> 01:31:12.399
it's hideous. And he's got a wacky tie and he
1454
01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:16.640
dances in his commercials and I find it annoying. I
1455
01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:18.600
don't find it endearing anymore. And I don't know if
1456
01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:22.000
it's just that I've gotten older or production is slicker now,
1457
01:31:22.720 --> 01:31:26.840
but it's just I don't know, it's just different. Speaking
1458
01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:30.680
of different, Oh, by the way, we do have magnum Ta.
1459
01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:33.279
He's gonna come up here in a little bit on
1460
01:31:33.439 --> 01:31:35.600
the show, and I'm very excited about that. He's gonna
1461
01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:39.359
be at fan Fest in Charlotte, and I'm coming to
1462
01:31:39.439 --> 01:31:43.760
fan Fest and Hell's coming with me. Sorry, some friends
1463
01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:50.960
on Facebook we're talking about Tombstone. But anyway, fan Fest
1464
01:31:51.520 --> 01:31:55.079
this Wednesday, I'm filling in for Pat McNeil. Pat's gonna
1465
01:31:55.119 --> 01:31:59.119
go on a much deserved, much earned vacation and I'm
1466
01:31:59.159 --> 01:32:02.880
in between vacers, so I'm gonna go to fan Fest
1467
01:32:04.760 --> 01:32:07.920
and we're going to do the live cast on Wednesday.
1468
01:32:08.039 --> 01:32:09.960
I think it was five thirty. I think it's five
1469
01:32:10.079 --> 01:32:12.479
thirty Eastern, two thirty Pacific. I think that's when Pat
1470
01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:17.520
does his. Anyway, we are gonna do it live from
1471
01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:20.560
the from the hotel there, the Hilton or whatever it
1472
01:32:20.680 --> 01:32:23.600
is there, and we're gonna do it live there and
1473
01:32:23.720 --> 01:32:26.880
we're hopeful to get My goal is that there's going
1474
01:32:26.960 --> 01:32:29.039
to be a whole bunch of wrestlers and stuff setting
1475
01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:32.520
up that night for fan Fest, and they're gonna come
1476
01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:35.039
by and we're gonna go, hey, so and so come here,
1477
01:32:35.640 --> 01:32:38.119
and they're gonna talk story and tell some tall tales
1478
01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:39.920
and they're gonna take off and set up their booth
1479
01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:42.880
and get ready to sell their gimmicks. Then another guy's
1480
01:32:42.920 --> 01:32:45.560
gonna come in and they're gonna talk, and maybe a woman,
1481
01:32:45.760 --> 01:32:49.319
superstar wrestler, whomever will come in. I just picture this,
1482
01:32:49.720 --> 01:32:51.319
this whole thing where just there's a whole bunch of
1483
01:32:51.399 --> 01:32:52.720
walk ons. I want it to be like the old
1484
01:32:52.800 --> 01:32:55.680
Johnny Carson show where there's just walk on after walk
1485
01:32:55.760 --> 01:32:58.680
on after walk on. That's that's what I want. I
1486
01:32:58.800 --> 01:33:01.319
make no promises because it's going to depend on who
1487
01:33:01.399 --> 01:33:03.399
the hell's there, and I don't know. I can't control
1488
01:33:04.000 --> 01:33:09.880
who's going to be there, but we're gonna try so
1489
01:33:10.039 --> 01:33:13.600
Wednesday myself and then Britt Whitmeyer from The Brad and
1490
01:33:13.680 --> 01:33:15.439
Britt Show is going to be co hosting and he's
1491
01:33:15.439 --> 01:33:17.680
going to be there too, So we are going to
1492
01:33:17.760 --> 01:33:21.960
be hopefully doing a fun, live, active, crazy show and
1493
01:33:22.520 --> 01:33:27.039
maybe we'll talk about SmackDown if anyone cares. Still good, God,
1494
01:33:27.119 --> 01:33:29.199
what a terrible show, but we don't talk about that here.
1495
01:33:31.239 --> 01:33:34.520
Oh and by the way, this is funny. So I
1496
01:33:34.600 --> 01:33:36.920
was talking with Greg Price, the guy who promotes the
1497
01:33:37.000 --> 01:33:39.039
show and everything, and I was like, so, is anybody
1498
01:33:39.119 --> 01:33:41.800
going to be there on Wednesday? Setting up ahead of time?
1499
01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:43.520
And he goes, yeah, let me see if I can
1500
01:33:43.560 --> 01:33:45.600
get Jim Cornette to come over and talk to you.
1501
01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:50.119
Oh.
1502
01:33:50.199 --> 01:33:51.399
I had a good laugh over that.
1503
01:33:52.600 --> 01:33:54.560
I laughed and laughed.
1504
01:33:55.960 --> 01:33:56.239
Laugh.
1505
01:33:57.479 --> 01:34:03.159
Hang on a second, I'm still laughing, man, Is that funny?
1506
01:34:04.279 --> 01:34:07.720
Let me see? Because Jim Cornett hates Wade Killer and
1507
01:34:07.840 --> 01:34:10.920
Bruce Mitchell and Mark Madden too. I think, even though
1508
01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:13.439
Madden's not with the Torch anymore of it, Jim and
1509
01:34:13.560 --> 01:34:15.399
Jim Cornette, I don't know if you know this or not,
1510
01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:19.359
but and I may be talking out of school here,
1511
01:34:19.439 --> 01:34:22.760
I don't know, but Jim Cornett is known to harbor
1512
01:34:22.840 --> 01:34:24.159
a grudge from time to time.
1513
01:34:26.319 --> 01:34:26.800
Yeah, so.
1514
01:34:28.920 --> 01:34:32.520
I gently explained to Greg that, no, I don't think
1515
01:34:32.600 --> 01:34:36.159
that's going to be happening. Don't think Jim Cornett's going
1516
01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:39.520
to be on the show, even though I've never met
1517
01:34:39.560 --> 01:34:43.159
the man, never had the pleasure harbor no ill will
1518
01:34:43.239 --> 01:34:47.359
against him. Pretty sure Jim Cornett is not going to
1519
01:34:47.439 --> 01:34:48.199
be on the show.
1520
01:34:57.159 --> 01:34:59.520
Are you a fan of AW looking to sit back,
1521
01:34:59.640 --> 01:35:02.720
relax and listen to some like minded podcasters who share
1522
01:35:02.760 --> 01:35:03.279
your passion?
1523
01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:05.640
Do you want to be topped off the ledge after
1524
01:35:05.720 --> 01:35:07.960
a segment that has you wondering what the heck are
1525
01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:08.479
they thinking?
1526
01:35:09.079 --> 01:35:11.399
Do you want to join a discussion on what AW
1527
01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:14.039
is doing right and what they could do to improve?
1528
01:35:14.439 --> 01:35:16.680
Then join me Joel and me Greg for.
1529
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1535
01:35:44.600 --> 01:35:52.119
Enny moving on, I still think that hilario. Yeah, Jim, Yeah,
1536
01:35:52.159 --> 01:35:52.560
no problem.
1537
01:35:53.479 --> 01:35:56.119
Hey yea, Jim, We've got a podcast we need you
1538
01:35:56.199 --> 01:35:56.359
to do.
1539
01:35:56.479 --> 01:35:58.439
Oh yeah, no problem, Sure, what is it?
1540
01:35:58.960 --> 01:35:59.159
Yes?
1541
01:35:59.439 --> 01:35:59.760
What is it?
1542
01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:00.479
The Torch.
1543
01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:05.399
Then he'd just go off f bombs boom boom boom,
1544
01:36:06.640 --> 01:36:11.359
promo boom boom, probably mixed Vince Russo in there.
1545
01:36:12.880 --> 01:36:15.520
Hey, yeah, that would be That would be a beauty.
1546
01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:20.960
So anyway, Wet Whitby and myself live from fan Fest
1547
01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:24.000
and hopefully we'll get some people setting up speaking of
1548
01:36:24.039 --> 01:36:27.199
fan fast. Magnum Ta is gonna be coming up in
1549
01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:30.560
a few minutes talk to us about his career. And
1550
01:36:30.640 --> 01:36:35.000
by the way, he started in Portland, Oregon. And we'll
1551
01:36:35.039 --> 01:36:39.319
tell you why a guy from Virginia started in Portland, Oregon.
1552
01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:43.840
And I'll give you a hint two words, buzz Sawyer
1553
01:36:46.600 --> 01:36:48.800
so and if you know buzz Sawyer's reputation, I think
1554
01:36:48.840 --> 01:36:52.640
you've probably put a couple of things together. But anyway,
1555
01:36:52.720 --> 01:36:54.600
we'll talk to Magnum coming up here a little bit.
1556
01:36:54.920 --> 01:36:57.000
There's another thing we'll talk about, speaking of old time
1557
01:36:57.640 --> 01:37:02.640
studio wrastling. You know, you probably if you're younger, you
1558
01:37:02.800 --> 01:37:08.199
know about Black Saturday when Vince McMahon got control of
1559
01:37:08.319 --> 01:37:11.439
the Georgia office, when the Brisco sold him their stock.
1560
01:37:13.039 --> 01:37:17.760
And there was that Black Saturday when Vince was the
1561
01:37:17.880 --> 01:37:22.159
host of Georgia Championship Wrestling or World Championship Wrestling or
1562
01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:25.479
whatever they called it. And it was a taped show
1563
01:37:25.880 --> 01:37:28.359
and it was all taped matches which we'd already seen
1564
01:37:28.479 --> 01:37:31.600
before on the USA Network a number of times. And
1565
01:37:31.680 --> 01:37:35.359
that went on for quite a while. But what is
1566
01:37:35.439 --> 01:37:37.720
not talked about a lot? And I've looked for this
1567
01:37:37.840 --> 01:37:40.119
on YouTube and it's now up on YouTube, and this
1568
01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:45.119
is exciting if you haven't seen this. And I just
1569
01:37:45.159 --> 01:37:47.600
tweeted it out last night because I couldn't sleep because
1570
01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:49.680
it was I have air conditioning, but it was too
1571
01:37:49.760 --> 01:37:52.800
damn hot in my house. Hey, what that happens? Anyway,
1572
01:37:52.840 --> 01:37:57.159
I slept like craplers. So I'm a little cantankerous this morning.
1573
01:37:57.640 --> 01:38:03.920
You've been warned anyway. So I was serving YouTube, which
1574
01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:07.279
I want to do, and they have like they did.
1575
01:38:07.399 --> 01:38:09.920
I think they did only like two or three weeks
1576
01:38:10.399 --> 01:38:14.920
two for sure, but right before WrestleMania because part of
1577
01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:19.000
the agreement with that Ted Turner had with whomever had
1578
01:38:19.079 --> 01:38:22.720
the contract for TBS Wrestling was you had to do
1579
01:38:22.880 --> 01:38:25.920
a live show or you know, a show from the
1580
01:38:26.039 --> 01:38:30.319
TBS studios. You know, you couldn't just tape and do
1581
01:38:30.479 --> 01:38:33.039
those shows. And Vince McMahon and Ted Turner butted heads
1582
01:38:33.039 --> 01:38:38.119
and butted heads and butted heads, and finally Vince relented
1583
01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:43.279
and they did did the WWF did the show from
1584
01:38:43.319 --> 01:38:47.079
the TBS studios right before WrestleMania. So we're reaching the
1585
01:38:47.159 --> 01:38:50.760
crescendo of WrestleMania. It's a peak for wrestling. It's very exciting.
1586
01:38:51.600 --> 01:38:55.359
And there's this live show in a studio format, which
1587
01:38:55.439 --> 01:38:59.600
is crazy because the WWF always did arenas for the
1588
01:38:59.640 --> 01:39:02.880
most part. I mean sure back in the Worldwide Wrestling
1589
01:39:02.960 --> 01:39:06.880
Federation days, and you know, when Hulkogan first won the title,
1590
01:39:07.520 --> 01:39:09.760
they did, you know, shoot an Allen Town where they
1591
01:39:09.840 --> 01:39:12.439
had before, but not long after that they moved to
1592
01:39:12.560 --> 01:39:17.920
arenas in larger venues. And so the WWF is always
1593
01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:21.479
about this big spectacle, the big arenas and the banners
1594
01:39:21.520 --> 01:39:24.119
and all that stuff. And there are two shows which
1595
01:39:24.159 --> 01:39:27.760
are now up on YouTube, during the whole Black Saturday
1596
01:39:27.840 --> 01:39:31.960
debacle where the WWF is in the Georgia Championship Wrestling,
1597
01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:35.920
the TBS studios, there's the background that World Championship Wrestling had,
1598
01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:40.039
and there's Guerrilla Monsoon and there's Freddie Miller and they
1599
01:39:40.159 --> 01:39:43.880
bring in everybody and the crowd is going nuts and
1600
01:39:44.000 --> 01:39:47.920
deservedly so because it's it's the WWF and it's in
1601
01:39:48.039 --> 01:39:51.479
this tiny studio and it's it's fascinating. So I tweeted
1602
01:39:51.520 --> 01:39:55.079
it out last night this morning, whatever it is, you
1603
01:39:55.159 --> 01:39:57.000
can go to my Twitter at gim Valley and you
1604
01:39:57.079 --> 01:39:59.319
can see it for yourself, or look up on YouTube
1605
01:40:00.039 --> 01:40:05.000
wellu WF Georgia Championship Wrestling and there's about two hours
1606
01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:07.960
worth of stuff. And I knew it existed because I
1607
01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:10.920
watched it as a kid and it blew my mind
1608
01:40:11.000 --> 01:40:13.960
as a kid, and is seeing it as an adult,
1609
01:40:14.039 --> 01:40:19.079
it still blows my mind because there's a certain energy
1610
01:40:19.119 --> 01:40:23.199
and excitement about it because it's right before the big WrestleMania,
1611
01:40:24.600 --> 01:40:27.920
so the media frenzy. And then also to see you know,
1612
01:40:28.079 --> 01:40:31.439
hul Cogan is in the studio cutting promos, and to
1613
01:40:31.560 --> 01:40:34.279
see so many of these guys, it's like, oh my god,
1614
01:40:34.319 --> 01:40:36.600
they were you know, there's Roddy Piper, he was in Georgia.
1615
01:40:37.119 --> 01:40:39.279
Oh my god, there was Orange Orf he was in Georgia.
1616
01:40:39.399 --> 01:40:44.000
Jimmy Snooker Georgia. All of these guys had been in
1617
01:40:44.119 --> 01:40:50.439
that studio before under different auspices, but still and so
1618
01:40:50.680 --> 01:40:53.239
it'll just it blew my mind. So you'll see the
1619
01:40:53.279 --> 01:40:58.960
Junkyard Dog who made appearances in the TBS studios. You'll
1620
01:40:59.039 --> 01:41:03.840
see I said, Snooker wrestles Junkyard Dog. Andre the Giant
1621
01:41:03.960 --> 01:41:04.239
comes in.
1622
01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:07.399
It's amazing.
1623
01:41:07.800 --> 01:41:12.039
In the first hour, Gorilla Monsoon doesn't even know who
1624
01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:14.600
Freddy Miller is. He just calls him his colleague. And
1625
01:41:14.680 --> 01:41:17.600
then by the next week he knows who Freddy Miller is.
1626
01:41:22.600 --> 01:41:25.439
But it's just it's mind blowing. It's like an episode
1627
01:41:25.439 --> 01:41:30.000
of the Twilight Zone. To watch the WWF in the
1628
01:41:30.079 --> 01:41:34.279
Georgia studio and the TBS studio with the World Championship
1629
01:41:34.319 --> 01:41:40.920
Wrestling NWA background, the Crockett background doing the show, and
1630
01:41:41.039 --> 01:41:43.680
like I said, the crowd is going nuts. I don't
1631
01:41:43.720 --> 01:41:47.520
recall a Georgia crowd an NWA crowd being quite as loud.
1632
01:41:47.560 --> 01:41:50.000
And probably the reason is is because you know, those
1633
01:41:50.039 --> 01:41:51.960
are their guys and they can see their guys. But
1634
01:41:52.119 --> 01:41:54.560
now you've got you know, these people are not the
1635
01:41:54.680 --> 01:41:57.880
hometown people, and they're the people you see on MTV
1636
01:41:58.119 --> 01:42:00.960
and all that stuff. By the way, if you think
1637
01:42:01.000 --> 01:42:06.720
Piper was was never got crazy later on, Oh yeah,
1638
01:42:06.800 --> 01:42:10.840
he's he's, he gives he gives a completely nonsensical rambling interview.
1639
01:42:10.920 --> 01:42:16.039
It's it's crazy. So yeah, so you should look it up.
1640
01:42:16.079 --> 01:42:20.680
It's WWF Georgia Championship Wrestling. Or look at my Twitter
1641
01:42:20.720 --> 01:42:22.720
as I tweeted out a link yesterday, So go to
1642
01:42:23.039 --> 01:42:26.600
at Jim Valley and you can you can look it up.
1643
01:42:26.840 --> 01:42:31.279
So there you go. So, uh, we're here, we're live.
1644
01:42:31.960 --> 01:42:34.399
You can tweet me at Jim Valley. You can email
1645
01:42:34.760 --> 01:42:40.520
at PW Torchlive Cast at gmail dot com, or you
1646
01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:43.439
can call in it. What is the number six four
1647
01:42:43.520 --> 01:42:48.399
six seven one six four six seven two one nine
1648
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eight two eight. It's Jim Valley. It's the PW Torch
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01:42:51.760 --> 01:42:54.479
Live Cast and Magnetier is gonna be coming up in
1650
01:42:55.239 --> 01:42:56.199
just a little bit.
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01:42:57.079 --> 01:42:58.800
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Now.
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That's Tom Peterson and Glorious Too.
1662
01:43:27.640 --> 01:43:31.039
That was after they restructured after bankruptcy. It went from
1663
01:43:31.079 --> 01:43:33.760
Tom Peterson's to the new name of the company was
1664
01:43:34.239 --> 01:43:38.239
Tom Peterson's and Glorious Too. And throughout the sixties, seventies
1665
01:43:38.279 --> 01:43:41.439
and eighties. Gloria wasn't part of it up until the nineties,
1666
01:43:41.520 --> 01:43:44.800
but that's when they restructured after the bankruptcy. And again
1667
01:43:45.159 --> 01:43:48.960
Tom Peterson had this flat top. So the gimmick was
1668
01:43:49.039 --> 01:43:51.239
is you could go get a free Tom Peterson haircut,
1669
01:43:52.560 --> 01:43:53.680
and you know he gave it. What you know, he
1670
01:43:53.760 --> 01:43:56.760
had the wake Up wake Up that was his gimmick
1671
01:43:56.760 --> 01:43:59.079
and he would he would show or give away depending
1672
01:43:59.119 --> 01:44:02.960
on the promotion, alarm clocks Tom Peterson alarm clocks that
1673
01:44:03.039 --> 01:44:06.159
would talk and say wake up with his face on it.
1674
01:44:07.159 --> 01:44:11.119
There were t shirts and wristwatches and all of this stuff.
1675
01:44:11.159 --> 01:44:13.720
And I mean, he was such a great character and
1676
01:44:13.840 --> 01:44:16.880
such a such a great community member, and you know,
1677
01:44:16.960 --> 01:44:20.520
he lived a great life and before Portland was weird
1678
01:44:20.640 --> 01:44:24.079
and Hipsterville. You know it was you know, in the
1679
01:44:24.119 --> 01:44:27.079
Pacific Northwest. We were you know, we got by on
1680
01:44:27.159 --> 01:44:31.680
the timber industry, on logging and natural resources. So you had,
1681
01:44:32.039 --> 01:44:34.600
you know, all of these loggers and Tom Tom fit
1682
01:44:34.680 --> 01:44:36.600
in with bull as far as you know, he had
1683
01:44:36.640 --> 01:44:39.760
the the ironic thing going on for the hipsters now
1684
01:44:41.039 --> 01:44:43.960
and then also you know, fit in in a more
1685
01:44:44.520 --> 01:44:48.159
realistic way with with with the people who were who
1686
01:44:48.199 --> 01:44:50.520
were her logging men and women, who are mountain men
1687
01:44:50.600 --> 01:44:53.680
and women. But I mean that's you know, he had
1688
01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:57.840
Grammar furniture, and he also had you know, if you
1689
01:44:57.920 --> 01:45:01.640
lived in the Double Wide. So there you go. But
1690
01:45:01.720 --> 01:45:06.159
Tom Peterson, a great supporter of professional wrestling, passed away
1691
01:45:06.159 --> 01:45:09.039
at the age of eighty six, and everybody in the
1692
01:45:09.079 --> 01:45:11.359
Portland area is gonna miss him. It's big news. It
1693
01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:14.319
was big, big news. And like I said, so no
1694
01:45:14.399 --> 01:45:16.680
matter where you lived, I'm sure you can relate as
1695
01:45:16.720 --> 01:45:19.760
far as if you're old enough to remember some crazy
1696
01:45:19.920 --> 01:45:23.520
local business that advertised and there's really like I said,
1697
01:45:23.680 --> 01:45:26.359
I think that has kind of gone by the by
1698
01:45:26.439 --> 01:45:30.279
the wayside, but who knows, maybe maybe it'll come back
1699
01:45:30.359 --> 01:45:33.520
in some shape or form or another. But yeah, so
1700
01:45:34.720 --> 01:45:37.560
So Tom Peterson a big deal when it came to
1701
01:45:37.640 --> 01:45:41.199
Portland wrestling and a big supporter of Portland wrestling. I
1702
01:45:41.279 --> 01:45:46.359
mean seriously, I mean how many how many people do
1703
01:45:46.479 --> 01:45:51.720
you know that are associated with just you know one thing,
1704
01:45:54.600 --> 01:45:57.560
you know, Tom Peterson. No one talks about any the
1705
01:45:57.600 --> 01:46:00.920
other shows that he that he sponsored, just Portland Wrastling
1706
01:46:02.840 --> 01:46:08.920
live for the Portland Sports Arena. So it's Jim Valley,
1707
01:46:08.920 --> 01:46:12.600
It's Saturday Morning Wrestling coming up here, magnet who is
1708
01:46:12.680 --> 01:46:13.479
going to talk about?
1709
01:46:15.159 --> 01:46:17.880
Uh, the the n W a fan.
1710
01:46:17.840 --> 01:46:21.399
Fast, the Charlotte FanFest every year, and he of course
1711
01:46:21.560 --> 01:46:24.520
is a staple of the fan fast. You can go
1712
01:46:24.640 --> 01:46:30.399
to NWA Legends dot com and take a look at
1713
01:46:30.439 --> 01:46:40.119
that and see more inform me. Yeah, they do a
1714
01:46:40.199 --> 01:46:41.880
Hall of Fame, but I don't think they can call
1715
01:46:41.920 --> 01:46:44.680
it a Hall of fame, so they call it the
1716
01:46:44.800 --> 01:46:50.239
Hall of Heroes. In one year, I think when I
1717
01:46:50.359 --> 01:46:53.760
was there, they inducted Jim Cornett in the Midnight Express
1718
01:46:53.880 --> 01:46:58.199
and they've they've inducted everybody, and now they're going to
1719
01:46:58.479 --> 01:47:03.960
uh induct Dusty Rhodes and Magnum of course, who was
1720
01:47:04.039 --> 01:47:08.479
a man who was a protege of Dusty Rhodes is
1721
01:47:08.680 --> 01:47:11.600
going to induct Dusty and we'll talk to Magnum about
1722
01:47:11.600 --> 01:47:13.840
his relationship with Dusty, and we'll talk to him about
1723
01:47:13.840 --> 01:47:17.479
his career. Of course, Magnum, you know, one of the
1724
01:47:17.600 --> 01:47:23.880
things fans love to play booking what if or you know,
1725
01:47:24.840 --> 01:47:27.680
you know, fan booking. I'm trying to think of the word.
1726
01:47:27.720 --> 01:47:29.479
I can't think of it, but one of it would
1727
01:47:29.479 --> 01:47:31.039
have happened if and one of one of the big
1728
01:47:31.119 --> 01:47:34.560
ones is always what if Magnum Ta hadn't been injured
1729
01:47:34.560 --> 01:47:38.000
in that crash? And I want to talk to him
1730
01:47:38.039 --> 01:47:39.880
about it, just to get his thoughts on where he
1731
01:47:39.960 --> 01:47:43.119
thinks he would fit in, because not long after his crash,
1732
01:47:43.199 --> 01:47:47.439
wrestling got really silly, you know, Crockett went out of business,
1733
01:47:47.479 --> 01:47:50.640
and Jim Hurd and then you had, you know, for
1734
01:47:51.159 --> 01:47:55.199
w CW, you had all this goofy crap, You had
1735
01:47:55.239 --> 01:47:59.279
the ding dongs, and you had all of this stupid
1736
01:47:59.680 --> 01:48:02.159
garb and I just wonder, I mean, the guy like
1737
01:48:02.279 --> 01:48:04.520
Magnum Tier, where the hell would he fit into all
1738
01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:10.920
the news because he was just a plane speaking, boots
1739
01:48:11.239 --> 01:48:14.079
hit you with the belly to belly, straightforward, kick ass
1740
01:48:14.199 --> 01:48:18.039
kind of guy. And it's just I wonder sometimes where
1741
01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:21.600
he would fit in this goofy circus. The WCW became
1742
01:48:22.279 --> 01:48:27.279
not terribly long after his accident because when Crockett's sold
1743
01:48:27.399 --> 01:48:29.840
I don't know, but we can talk to him about that.
1744
01:48:29.840 --> 01:48:31.800
We're gonna talk to him about a lot of things.
1745
01:48:31.840 --> 01:48:34.800
But we're very excited to have on the show a
1746
01:48:34.880 --> 01:48:37.720
guy whose career was relatively short. But I think it
1747
01:48:37.880 --> 01:48:41.159
speaks to the quality of his work and the character
1748
01:48:42.199 --> 01:48:46.000
of his persona and his person that he is well
1749
01:48:46.079 --> 01:48:49.399
remembered and well thought of to this day joining us now,
1750
01:48:49.560 --> 01:48:52.399
I'm joining me. Jim Valley here on the PW Torch
1751
01:48:52.479 --> 01:48:55.359
Live cast is the one and only Magnum Tia Magnum.
1752
01:48:55.399 --> 01:48:57.520
Thank you so much for joining us. I really appreciate it.
1753
01:48:58.600 --> 01:49:00.399
Well, it's pleasures. Thank you for having me.
1754
01:49:01.960 --> 01:49:05.279
Hey man, So you've got the fan Fest. It's coming
1755
01:49:05.399 --> 01:49:08.479
up this weekend. You're you're a staple of the fans Fest.
1756
01:49:08.560 --> 01:49:10.760
What do you what do you enjoy about the about
1757
01:49:10.800 --> 01:49:11.399
the fan Fest?
1758
01:49:12.720 --> 01:49:15.720
Well, I enjoy the reunion, the reunion with so many
1759
01:49:15.760 --> 01:49:18.960
of my counterparts that I don't have the opportunity to
1760
01:49:19.039 --> 01:49:22.079
see uh without an event like this, and and then
1761
01:49:22.159 --> 01:49:26.000
relive in memories with the fans and then bringing their
1762
01:49:26.119 --> 01:49:28.600
kids and you know they told their kids all about
1763
01:49:29.039 --> 01:49:32.159
you know, the history and uh things they grew up watching.
1764
01:49:32.279 --> 01:49:35.720
And you know, now YouTube and the WWE network, you know,
1765
01:49:35.840 --> 01:49:39.039
all have brought those things back full circle where uh
1766
01:49:39.119 --> 01:49:40.960
you know, they made the things we did thirty years
1767
01:49:41.000 --> 01:49:42.720
ago current in today's time.
1768
01:49:45.199 --> 01:49:47.960
Before pushing play on the weight Teller, Pro Wrestling post shows,
1769
01:49:48.039 --> 01:49:50.520
check out pw torch dot com and our TV review
1770
01:49:50.600 --> 01:49:53.439
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1771
01:49:53.520 --> 01:49:55.119
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1772
01:49:55.159 --> 01:49:58.000
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1773
01:49:58.119 --> 01:50:01.520
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1774
01:50:01.760 --> 01:50:04.720
That's pw torch dot com. You're home for live TV
1775
01:50:04.880 --> 01:50:07.920
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1776
01:50:07.960 --> 01:50:09.920
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1777
01:50:09.960 --> 01:50:12.800
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1778
01:50:12.840 --> 01:50:14.720
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1779
01:50:15.039 --> 01:50:18.319
on weekends, all waiting for you at pw torch dot com.
1780
01:50:20.319 --> 01:50:23.800
And you know, I mean all the fans, they love you,
1781
01:50:23.920 --> 01:50:25.840
they remember you. One of the things I made it
1782
01:50:25.880 --> 01:50:27.520
a couple of years ago to FanFest and you and
1783
01:50:27.560 --> 01:50:30.479
I we talked briefly, and I'm totally sure you completely
1784
01:50:30.520 --> 01:50:35.680
remember it. I'm kidding, But anyway, I grew up in
1785
01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:41.720
Portland watching Don Owens Portland Wrestling and I remember you
1786
01:50:41.960 --> 01:50:45.439
briefly here around what was it like nineteen eighty one?
1787
01:50:47.439 --> 01:50:50.159
It was actually nineteen eighty and that was my very
1788
01:50:50.359 --> 01:50:55.119
first match in wrestling, was working for Donna Owens there
1789
01:50:55.680 --> 01:50:59.399
that Portland Bowl and out he had converted into a
1790
01:50:59.479 --> 01:51:00.439
wrestling arena.
1791
01:51:01.920 --> 01:51:03.760
You know, we talked to let's let's let's let's talk
1792
01:51:03.760 --> 01:51:06.600
about that before we get into exactly the roundabout way
1793
01:51:06.640 --> 01:51:09.399
you made it to Portland. But one of the things
1794
01:51:09.439 --> 01:51:11.840
I talk about on the show is like, I, you know, I,
1795
01:51:12.640 --> 01:51:14.640
you know, I used to talk with with Buddy Rose
1796
01:51:14.840 --> 01:51:17.560
and Kurt Hennig and such and and they would always
1797
01:51:17.640 --> 01:51:20.560
talk about the uniqueness of the what was dubbed the
1798
01:51:20.680 --> 01:51:24.079
Portland Sports Arena. And you mentioned that it was an
1799
01:51:24.079 --> 01:51:26.439
old bulling alley. What was your reaction the first time
1800
01:51:26.479 --> 01:51:27.359
you saw that place?
1801
01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:31.800
Well, you know, I had so many things going through
1802
01:51:31.880 --> 01:51:35.199
my head because again this was my first actual n
1803
01:51:35.319 --> 01:51:40.800
ring appearance. YEA ever, and I had like little or
1804
01:51:40.880 --> 01:51:44.439
no training, and my very first match was all over
1805
01:51:44.479 --> 01:51:48.600
there television show. Russell was no Sawyers, So it was,
1806
01:51:49.319 --> 01:51:53.119
uh the surroundings, uh kind of paled in comparison of
1807
01:51:53.319 --> 01:51:55.880
just the anxiety of doing what I did for the
1808
01:51:56.000 --> 01:51:57.199
very first time in my life.
1809
01:51:58.520 --> 01:52:01.000
So go ahead and tell this story, So about how
1810
01:52:01.279 --> 01:52:05.439
how how a Virginia guy ends up going to to Portland.
1811
01:52:07.119 --> 01:52:09.800
Well, I met I met Bruna Sawyer when he was
1812
01:52:09.880 --> 01:52:13.600
in the mid Atlantic. Uh, I was I was trying to,
1813
01:52:13.800 --> 01:52:17.119
you know, figure my way into the wrestling business. And
1814
01:52:17.680 --> 01:52:19.560
you know, back then it was so guarded, it was
1815
01:52:19.640 --> 01:52:21.560
so protected. It was a really tough thing to do.
1816
01:52:22.640 --> 01:52:30.600
And through just the backstage, uh backstage introductions that I
1817
01:52:30.720 --> 01:52:33.199
had to people because of friends I knew in a
1818
01:52:33.279 --> 01:52:36.720
law enforcement that had introduced me to some people, guys
1819
01:52:36.720 --> 01:52:40.640
who worked security there. Buzz and I struck up a
1820
01:52:40.720 --> 01:52:46.039
relationship and he was going to be the one to
1821
01:52:46.600 --> 01:52:51.680
train me and get me into wrestling. But before all
1822
01:52:51.840 --> 01:52:54.159
that was to be able to take place in the
1823
01:52:54.399 --> 01:52:58.960
Carolina's uh, he went to work for Don Owens went
1824
01:52:59.000 --> 01:53:02.399
out to Portland. So he had me go pick up
1825
01:53:02.520 --> 01:53:06.840
his little brother Brett down in Tampa, Florida, and I
1826
01:53:06.920 --> 01:53:09.840
brought him all the way back up to mid South,
1827
01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:14.359
uh to to uh bill watch Territory. While I hung
1828
01:53:14.399 --> 01:53:17.399
out with him, and guys like Jimmy Garvin and and
1829
01:53:17.640 --> 01:53:22.359
uh oh gosh, Junkyard Dog and Jason Saint Roberts and
1830
01:53:22.560 --> 01:53:25.039
all those guys met. You know, just a lot of
1831
01:53:25.119 --> 01:53:28.399
people kind of watched watched the rest and watching what
1832
01:53:28.640 --> 01:53:31.840
was going on all the time, waiting for Buzz to
1833
01:53:31.960 --> 01:53:35.159
call me up and and you know, bring me, bring
1834
01:53:35.279 --> 01:53:37.640
me up there. And I never got the call. So
1835
01:53:37.800 --> 01:53:41.399
I got in my car, drove cross country. I drove
1836
01:53:41.439 --> 01:53:43.439
all the way across California, then all the way up
1837
01:53:43.479 --> 01:53:46.319
the coast of Portland and showed up on his doorstep
1838
01:53:46.840 --> 01:53:50.760
and opened the door and had to a little sock
1839
01:53:50.920 --> 01:53:54.000
and make a long story short. I had one workout
1840
01:53:54.039 --> 01:53:58.119
in a ring prior to getting into business where it
1841
01:53:58.279 --> 01:54:01.239
was me, it was Buz, this little brother Brett, and
1842
01:54:01.560 --> 01:54:05.720
uh Princess Victoria, and we all worked out in the
1843
01:54:05.800 --> 01:54:06.880
rink for about two hours.
1844
01:54:07.640 --> 01:54:07.680
Me.
1845
01:54:07.720 --> 01:54:11.560
He had our surfle hit the ropes up to do
1846
01:54:11.720 --> 01:54:15.439
a few basic things and uh then Russ got of
1847
01:54:15.560 --> 01:54:19.560
history my first match with Buzz on TV. Uh he
1848
01:54:19.720 --> 01:54:22.079
had un tony to me, told Don that I'd been
1849
01:54:22.159 --> 01:54:25.600
working get him to south from Bill and nobody ever
1850
01:54:25.720 --> 01:54:28.520
checked it out, obviously, And they put me right to
1851
01:54:28.600 --> 01:54:31.479
work seven days a week, and I learned everything I did.
1852
01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:34.199
Uh im prompt too the hard way in the ring.
1853
01:54:36.279 --> 01:54:40.800
Now, had you given buzz Sawyer money prior to him leaving?
1854
01:54:42.239 --> 01:54:42.439
Yeah?
1855
01:54:42.640 --> 01:54:46.119
I had, But you know, in respect of those passed
1856
01:54:46.159 --> 01:54:49.800
on and and things, uh kind of water under the
1857
01:54:49.880 --> 01:54:51.960
bridge or really don't want to belavor it.
1858
01:54:52.640 --> 01:54:52.720
Uh.
1859
01:54:52.800 --> 01:54:56.560
He sure he did some unscrupulous things to me, and
1860
01:54:56.640 --> 01:55:00.279
I think the Undertaker as well. Uh, but you know it.
1861
01:55:01.039 --> 01:55:04.600
Uh you know, why go gooky? You talking about that?
1862
01:55:04.880 --> 01:55:07.960
When had it not been for that, Uh yeah, my
1863
01:55:08.079 --> 01:55:09.600
story would be what it is today.
1864
01:55:11.159 --> 01:55:13.560
Well, I just want to say that you're obviously a
1865
01:55:13.680 --> 01:55:16.680
very determined You were a very determined young man at
1866
01:55:16.720 --> 01:55:18.399
that point. I think a lot of people probably just
1867
01:55:18.399 --> 01:55:21.720
would have written off the losses and and moved on.
1868
01:55:22.000 --> 01:55:24.880
So I think that says something about your character and
1869
01:55:25.159 --> 01:55:28.840
determination and desire to make it in your chosen field.
1870
01:55:30.479 --> 01:55:33.279
Well, I was young, I was strong, uh that I
1871
01:55:33.359 --> 01:55:35.279
didn't think that there was anything in the world I
1872
01:55:35.359 --> 01:55:35.800
couldn't do.
1873
01:55:36.800 --> 01:55:36.920
Uh.
1874
01:55:37.159 --> 01:55:38.000
And you know.
1875
01:55:38.199 --> 01:55:40.720
So the sky was the limit. Once somebody cracked the
1876
01:55:40.760 --> 01:55:43.079
door and let the end, I wasn't going away.
1877
01:55:44.520 --> 01:55:46.800
So do you do you have any memories of wrestling
1878
01:55:46.840 --> 01:55:48.960
in Portland other than other than your first match or
1879
01:55:48.960 --> 01:55:51.359
were you so focused on your craft that you sort
1880
01:55:51.399 --> 01:55:53.000
of had blinders on?
1881
01:55:54.399 --> 01:55:57.640
Well, the Savage was the booker, and uh, you know,
1882
01:55:58.239 --> 01:56:01.760
like I said, it was just a real learning experience.
1883
01:56:01.960 --> 01:56:02.079
Uh.
1884
01:56:02.520 --> 01:56:05.520
And I was so green, and the people there didn't
1885
01:56:05.560 --> 01:56:08.680
know how green I really was. But like less than
1886
01:56:08.720 --> 01:56:10.439
a month of the business, they put me in there
1887
01:56:10.560 --> 01:56:14.079
with Gene Kaninski who was a former world champion, and
1888
01:56:14.159 --> 01:56:19.680
we were we were working in uh oh gosh, where
1889
01:56:19.720 --> 01:56:22.439
were we at? Anyway, we were working somewhere in port
1890
01:56:22.560 --> 01:56:25.520
up there in the Washington state, No Seattle where it was.
1891
01:56:26.239 --> 01:56:29.399
I remember he did the spot and he picked me
1892
01:56:29.520 --> 01:56:31.000
up and dropped me behind him, and he told me
1893
01:56:31.079 --> 01:56:32.760
to push him in the roads to do a row up.
1894
01:56:33.399 --> 01:56:35.840
Well I didn't know what a row up was. I mean,
1895
01:56:36.000 --> 01:56:38.199
I didn't know all the lingo, all the terminology in
1896
01:56:38.279 --> 01:56:41.159
the spots. He dropped me behind him because I didn't
1897
01:56:41.159 --> 01:56:42.960
know what to do. I'm bullied him back, superlex him
1898
01:56:43.000 --> 01:56:45.479
on his head and I remember he after the match.
1899
01:56:45.560 --> 01:56:46.800
He got a big kick out of that because he
1900
01:56:46.880 --> 01:56:49.039
was a bigger, rough, tough guy and he thought I
1901
01:56:49.119 --> 01:56:51.560
was pretty salty to Uh, you know, I've done that
1902
01:56:51.720 --> 01:56:54.880
to him. So, you know, all the guys were really helpful.
1903
01:56:54.920 --> 01:56:58.720
They're really good natured. I mean they saw my desire,
1904
01:56:59.399 --> 01:57:01.760
and uh, I got to put in a lot of
1905
01:57:01.840 --> 01:57:03.960
rig time. I was only there for six months, but
1906
01:57:04.039 --> 01:57:06.680
I was brought some seven days a week, and uh,
1907
01:57:07.159 --> 01:57:09.479
you know, if you're gonna I had more rig time
1908
01:57:09.680 --> 01:57:11.880
in the first my first six months of the business
1909
01:57:12.399 --> 01:57:14.800
than these four kids breaking into the indies will in
1910
01:57:14.960 --> 01:57:16.159
you know, probably six years.
1911
01:57:18.399 --> 01:57:20.439
Talking with a magnum Ta who's going to be at
1912
01:57:20.479 --> 01:57:24.000
the nw A fan fest this weekend in Charlotte. You
1913
01:57:24.039 --> 01:57:26.079
can go to n w A Legends dot com. He's
1914
01:57:26.119 --> 01:57:28.920
going to be interviewing, inducting his mentor, Dusty Rhodes. Will
1915
01:57:28.920 --> 01:57:31.479
talk about that coming up here just a couple of minutes.
1916
01:57:31.560 --> 01:57:33.520
But first let's let's go to the phones. Let's go
1917
01:57:33.560 --> 01:57:37.439
to Brian from Phoenix. Brian, you got some questions VIP member,
1918
01:57:37.479 --> 01:57:39.119
you got some questions for magnum t A.
1919
01:57:40.680 --> 01:57:42.199
Good morning, m Good morning.
1920
01:57:43.880 --> 01:57:47.560
Morn A Magnimum fan of yours. However, I grew up
1921
01:57:47.560 --> 01:57:51.640
in Detroit, uh, and I didn't Detroit didn't the cable
1922
01:57:51.720 --> 01:57:56.319
until really nineteen eighty, late summer for eight light for
1923
01:57:56.479 --> 01:57:59.760
me eighty, so I didn't see your career real time unfortunately,
1924
01:58:00.119 --> 01:58:04.760
you know, like DVD's two things, But that makes sense.
1925
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Hey, Brian, you're bleaking up a little bit of my end.
1926
01:58:10.760 --> 01:58:12.880
Okay, I'll try to move around.
1927
01:58:12.600 --> 01:58:13.000
A little bit.
1928
01:58:13.760 --> 01:58:16.680
And I'm looking right now, Okay, thank you. I'm looking
1929
01:58:16.720 --> 01:58:19.000
at the Legends of Missouf Wrestling DVD set that I
1930
01:58:19.039 --> 01:58:22.000
got from w w E, and I really enjoyed, uh
1931
01:58:22.239 --> 01:58:24.319
your mattresson here. But the question I want to ask about,
1932
01:58:24.359 --> 01:58:29.479
Magnum is about the the build up for your match
1933
01:58:29.560 --> 01:58:31.720
with Mister Wrestling too. Can you talk a little bit
1934
01:58:31.760 --> 01:58:35.960
about the segment where you were out at the farm
1935
01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:38.000
and you and Jim Ross and mister Wrestling who were
1936
01:58:38.039 --> 01:58:40.800
working out were actually as Jim wasn't working out, you
1937
01:58:40.840 --> 01:58:42.800
and Mister Wrestling were working out and Jim they're filming
1938
01:58:42.840 --> 01:58:45.880
and interviewing everything. He talked about filming that and building
1939
01:58:45.920 --> 01:58:49.319
all that part up of the of that few clicks.
1940
01:58:50.760 --> 01:58:53.920
Well, yeah, it was, uh, it was to be To
1941
01:58:54.079 --> 01:58:57.239
be fair, I was really the only one working out
1942
01:58:57.920 --> 01:59:00.800
two was like, that's what was kind of touching me.
1943
01:59:01.319 --> 01:59:03.159
And they were having me do all these things that
1944
01:59:03.239 --> 01:59:06.720
I was doing, take after take after take, and and
1945
01:59:06.880 --> 01:59:09.920
it was, uh, it was it was really interesting, uh
1946
01:59:10.199 --> 01:59:14.119
because the one thing I remember the whole thing was
1947
01:59:14.640 --> 01:59:17.560
they got me what did they wanted to fill me
1948
01:59:17.960 --> 01:59:22.119
running and running up to where they were at, uh,
1949
01:59:22.319 --> 01:59:25.560
and then conclude with a little little interview or something afterwards.
1950
01:59:25.840 --> 01:59:28.800
And if you don't think that's a hard thing to
1951
01:59:28.880 --> 01:59:32.399
do to do, m keen wind sprints to to get
1952
01:59:32.560 --> 01:59:34.680
you know, get up to a place where they want
1953
01:59:34.720 --> 01:59:37.199
to do a take talking about being blown up. That
1954
01:59:37.399 --> 01:59:40.680
was that was really an interesting thing. But it was
1955
01:59:40.920 --> 01:59:44.119
it was a great program that we worked And uh,
1956
01:59:44.840 --> 01:59:47.760
you know, my heat's off Jolly Walker because he he
1957
01:59:47.880 --> 01:59:50.159
ends up turning heel and he's been a baby basit
1958
01:59:50.199 --> 01:59:53.479
in entire career and you know when he finally got it,
1959
01:59:53.560 --> 01:59:55.199
he really ended up being a good heel.
1960
01:59:58.560 --> 02:00:01.279
And those those That's a great question, Brian, because in
1961
02:00:01.319 --> 02:00:04.079
those vignettes, Magnum, you are a long ways away in
1962
02:00:04.159 --> 02:00:07.119
the background and we watch you run the whole way.
1963
02:00:07.199 --> 02:00:09.520
It's not like you're off camera and then suddenly come,
1964
02:00:10.079 --> 02:00:12.199
you know, strutting up from off camera. You are a
1965
02:00:12.520 --> 02:00:15.479
long ways back. Mary, it is. It did look tiring.
1966
02:00:15.520 --> 02:00:17.760
I mean you looked legitimately tired. And I don't think
1967
02:00:17.760 --> 02:00:18.239
I blame you.
1968
02:00:19.680 --> 02:00:22.079
Uh you know, I was a really good shape. But
1969
02:00:22.239 --> 02:00:26.119
the things that they were we were doing and doing
1970
02:00:26.279 --> 02:00:29.359
multiple takes, uh yeah, I mean it was something that
1971
02:00:29.640 --> 02:00:33.119
uh yeah, I wasn't mentally prepared for exactly what we
1972
02:00:33.199 --> 02:00:35.159
were out there to do. But again, back then, if
1973
02:00:35.199 --> 02:00:36.960
they said go do it, you know, I just said
1974
02:00:36.960 --> 02:00:39.720
where and win and and you know, go get it done.
1975
02:00:39.760 --> 02:00:41.119
And that's that's what we did.
1976
02:00:44.199 --> 02:00:47.560
Anything else, Briand Yeah, the last question I have for you, macdum,
1977
02:00:47.560 --> 02:00:50.079
I'm not sure how much you follow uh today's wrestling.
1978
02:00:50.079 --> 02:00:53.319
I know you at least watched Testa Blanchers matches. But
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02:00:54.039 --> 02:00:57.119
so the million Dollars kneelest that mister wrestling who is
1980
02:00:57.159 --> 02:00:59.439
trying to teach you again? I love that name, million
1981
02:00:59.479 --> 02:01:01.840
Dollar Dalist. Can you you think that's something that could
1982
02:01:01.840 --> 02:01:04.119
be brought back to the current wrestling or is that
1983
02:01:04.279 --> 02:01:07.479
just a little too eighties? Is early eighties wrestling?
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02:01:08.560 --> 02:01:11.199
Well, you know, anything can be brought back. It be
1985
02:01:11.239 --> 02:01:14.319
how it'd be depending on how people sold it. You know,
1986
02:01:14.840 --> 02:01:18.600
if somebody, uh, if somebody did it and everybody was
1987
02:01:18.800 --> 02:01:21.439
you know, selling like they'd been hit by a freight train,
1988
02:01:21.840 --> 02:01:25.279
then yeah, you know, I mean the coal stole, the
1989
02:01:25.399 --> 02:01:30.039
stone cold cutter and uh, you know the records and
1990
02:01:30.119 --> 02:01:32.800
things that you know guys did, none of it would
1991
02:01:32.800 --> 02:01:36.279
amounted to an LB's that the people didn't sell belly
1992
02:01:36.359 --> 02:01:38.760
suit plants that I used. You know, there's there's so
1993
02:01:38.840 --> 02:01:41.399
many people used for a high spot. They could all
1994
02:01:41.520 --> 02:01:43.159
use it for a high spot. But if I do
1995
02:01:43.279 --> 02:01:45.239
it and the people didn't get up and they got ten,
1996
02:01:46.039 --> 02:01:48.880
then it made a difference. So you know, it's all
1997
02:01:48.960 --> 02:01:52.399
about you know, perception and and how the guys around
1998
02:01:52.520 --> 02:01:55.079
you put over what you're doing. You could, you know,
1999
02:01:55.119 --> 02:01:57.760
I mean, you can make anything exciting. It's just been
2000
02:01:57.800 --> 02:01:58.520
on how you're working.
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Great again, gentlemen on Magnama. Hope people have a real
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02:02:04.439 --> 02:02:05.880
good weekend. Thanks a lot, Jeff for put me on
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02:02:05.960 --> 02:02:07.960
and macnam was great talking to you, and have a
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02:02:08.000 --> 02:02:08.479
real good day.
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02:02:08.520 --> 02:02:15.359
Gelements, there's Brian v Ip you member from Phoenix dialing
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02:02:15.439 --> 02:02:18.680
up at six four six eight. You know that's interesting
2007
02:02:18.760 --> 02:02:21.279
you bring up the belly to belly because I guess
2008
02:02:21.319 --> 02:02:23.239
Shane Douglass used it a few years ago, but it
2009
02:02:23.359 --> 02:02:26.520
was like a standing belly to belly. I never understood
2010
02:02:26.520 --> 02:02:29.520
why no one did the whipping the ropes and then
2011
02:02:29.560 --> 02:02:31.479
the belly to belly like you did. That seemed like
2012
02:02:31.560 --> 02:02:33.880
a like a move that you could do out of
2013
02:02:34.399 --> 02:02:36.920
it seemed to have I guess, all of the criteria
2014
02:02:37.039 --> 02:02:39.760
you want for an exciting finish. It can come out
2015
02:02:39.800 --> 02:02:44.000
of nowhere, it can be decisive. Is that move particularly
2016
02:02:44.079 --> 02:02:46.279
difficult when it's whipped off the ropes because it doesn't
2017
02:02:46.279 --> 02:02:48.720
seem like a lot of people picked it up? Uh
2018
02:02:48.840 --> 02:02:49.680
after your career?
2019
02:02:51.159 --> 02:02:52.000
Yeah, I don't.
2020
02:02:52.479 --> 02:02:54.720
I mean to me, it was a very natural thing
2021
02:02:55.119 --> 02:02:55.680
uh to do.
2022
02:02:56.239 --> 02:02:56.359
Uh.
2023
02:02:57.359 --> 02:03:01.079
And I actually did it to somebody in the ring
2024
02:03:01.159 --> 02:03:03.000
when I was a rooky and I was breaking in
2025
02:03:03.239 --> 02:03:06.920
and I had a guy that was greener than I
2026
02:03:07.199 --> 02:03:10.119
was and didn't really know what he was doing in
2027
02:03:10.199 --> 02:03:13.199
the ring, and I got so frustrated with him. I
2028
02:03:13.239 --> 02:03:16.000
couldn't you get him to do anything that I just
2029
02:03:16.119 --> 02:03:19.119
grabbed him and ended up suit budging him like right
2030
02:03:19.159 --> 02:03:22.560
out of his boots. And I realized that I had
2031
02:03:23.720 --> 02:03:27.319
That's where my strength center was my lower back and
2032
02:03:27.439 --> 02:03:31.079
my pulling ability and my wrestling. That ground just gave me,
2033
02:03:31.840 --> 02:03:34.239
gave me the ability to do that move to anybody,
2034
02:03:34.319 --> 02:03:36.680
whether they wanted to go, didn't want to go, didn't matter.
2035
02:03:37.199 --> 02:03:38.680
I could do it. So I kind of put that
2036
02:03:38.840 --> 02:03:42.000
in my mind, and you know, for the future, I
2037
02:03:42.159 --> 02:03:44.800
used that for a finish because basically, you're finished. You've
2038
02:03:44.800 --> 02:03:47.760
got to be an execute on anybody at any time, anywhere.
2039
02:03:48.520 --> 02:03:51.159
And I knew that that was something I could do. Anybody,
2040
02:03:51.239 --> 02:03:53.840
whether they were you know, two hundred pounds or three
2041
02:03:53.920 --> 02:03:56.279
hundred and fifty pounds, I could still do it. So,
2042
02:03:57.079 --> 02:03:59.199
you know, for me, it just came natural. I don't
2043
02:03:59.239 --> 02:04:02.279
I don't know whether I remember one time Dustie and
2044
02:04:02.359 --> 02:04:05.560
I when we were wrestling America, see we I think
2045
02:04:05.600 --> 02:04:07.760
it was with the Multi Brothers or something. We threw
2046
02:04:07.840 --> 02:04:09.279
them both in the ropes and we gave him a
2047
02:04:09.359 --> 02:04:11.920
double Donny de Belly off the ropes and Dustie never
2048
02:04:12.000 --> 02:04:14.039
done it before his life, and you know, it wasn't
2049
02:04:14.039 --> 02:04:15.840
any big deal. He just you know, he did it.
2050
02:04:16.399 --> 02:04:18.720
So you know, I don't think it's not hard. I
2051
02:04:18.800 --> 02:04:22.159
think it's just a matter of you know, in God's minds,
2052
02:04:22.199 --> 02:04:25.199
it's not, you know, exciting enough. They're trying to always
2053
02:04:25.239 --> 02:04:27.199
come up with something you know they don't think somebody
2054
02:04:27.239 --> 02:04:30.840
has seen before, or something with that next level of excitement.
2055
02:04:31.000 --> 02:04:33.840
So maybe for that reason it's kind of god overlooked.
2056
02:04:37.039 --> 02:04:40.039
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2061
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2075
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Now speaking, I want to touch on the knee lift
2076
02:05:46.119 --> 02:05:48.199
of Mister Wrestling number two. I think I just got
2077
02:05:48.279 --> 02:05:51.920
done rereading Jim Duggan's book where he talks about the
2078
02:05:52.000 --> 02:05:54.680
worst thing about was it the knee with mister Wrestling too?
2079
02:05:55.079 --> 02:05:57.079
It was that slap on the back that's stung?
2080
02:05:58.640 --> 02:06:00.840
Oh yeah, because I was just sound effect, you know,
2081
02:06:00.880 --> 02:06:03.800
he make it. He hit you at the back too
2082
02:06:04.000 --> 02:06:06.479
with with the you know, big smack to make it
2083
02:06:06.600 --> 02:06:08.720
sound like that Need was hitting he that hard in
2084
02:06:08.800 --> 02:06:11.920
the chest. And that's where the you know, the panel
2085
02:06:12.039 --> 02:06:16.039
was coming from. So yeah, absolutely, uh godn't remember.
2086
02:06:16.680 --> 02:06:16.800
Uh.
2087
02:06:17.159 --> 02:06:19.960
I mean, obviously I took it to Need for everyone
2088
02:06:20.000 --> 02:06:23.840
I worked with him as we turned heel, But you know, frankly,
2089
02:06:24.680 --> 02:06:26.239
compared to some of the other things we did in
2090
02:06:26.279 --> 02:06:27.359
the rank, that was kind of my.
2091
02:06:27.479 --> 02:06:32.319
Huge So after after Portland, did you go to Florida?
2092
02:06:32.479 --> 02:06:32.960
Is that where you went?
2093
02:06:34.560 --> 02:06:38.520
I went from Portland to San Antonio for Jim Blanchard
2094
02:06:39.239 --> 02:06:42.760
and I worked there for six months and still as
2095
02:06:42.800 --> 02:06:43.239
a rookie.
2096
02:06:43.880 --> 02:06:44.000
Uh.
2097
02:06:44.800 --> 02:06:48.079
Ray Fernandez uh came in about the same time I did,
2098
02:06:48.159 --> 02:06:52.800
and he and I trained together for for two three months.
2099
02:06:53.399 --> 02:06:56.680
Uh in the gym, I was there and uh he
2100
02:06:56.960 --> 02:06:58.920
he was, of course, you know, one of the young
2101
02:06:59.119 --> 02:07:03.039
young uppers coming slight myself and uh and while I
2102
02:07:03.239 --> 02:07:10.359
was there, Mike Graham came to saying, come to Russell something.
2103
02:07:10.479 --> 02:07:13.680
The jug bols everyway handing chip or something, and him
2104
02:07:13.720 --> 02:07:17.640
and I struck him a friendship just in this natural camaraderie,
2105
02:07:18.159 --> 02:07:19.960
and he went on and told his dad about me.
2106
02:07:20.000 --> 02:07:21.760
The next thing I knew, he called me up asked
2107
02:07:21.800 --> 02:07:25.640
if I wanted to come to Florida. And so after
2108
02:07:25.760 --> 02:07:27.680
my first year of the business, I made my way
2109
02:07:27.720 --> 02:07:30.479
to Tampa and uh then I spent a year and
2110
02:07:30.479 --> 02:07:31.640
a half in Florida.
2111
02:07:34.479 --> 02:07:35.640
And is that where you met Dusty?
2112
02:07:37.079 --> 02:07:37.279
Yes.
2113
02:07:37.479 --> 02:07:40.760
When I first came there, Dorry Funk Junior was the booker,
2114
02:07:41.520 --> 02:07:44.960
and so I think for about that first six months
2115
02:07:45.319 --> 02:07:48.840
Dorry was booking and then uh, he he left and
2116
02:07:49.000 --> 02:07:53.079
Dusty came in and he and I met, and within
2117
02:07:53.199 --> 02:07:55.760
amount a week or two I got and spent some
2118
02:07:55.880 --> 02:07:58.239
quality time together. Found out we had a lot of
2119
02:07:58.720 --> 02:08:02.319
common interests and just talking a lot of things in life.
2120
02:08:03.079 --> 02:08:06.920
Uh yeah, struck up a friendship, the loss of the lifetime.
2121
02:08:09.479 --> 02:08:11.880
We're talking with Magnum t A and he's going to
2122
02:08:11.920 --> 02:08:15.600
be inducting his mentor and friend, Dusty Rhodes into the
2123
02:08:15.760 --> 02:08:19.039
nw A Legends Hall of Heroes this weekend at the
2124
02:08:19.119 --> 02:08:21.479
Charlotte FanFest. You can go to n w A Legends
2125
02:08:21.520 --> 02:08:24.840
dot com and get get some more information. Let's take
2126
02:08:24.840 --> 02:08:26.840
another phone call from Magnum t A. Let's go to
2127
02:08:27.000 --> 02:08:29.239
A seven seven three, seven seven three. You're on the
2128
02:08:29.279 --> 02:08:31.640
live cast with Jim Vallely. Who's this and where you
2129
02:08:31.720 --> 02:08:32.119
calling from?
2130
02:08:33.199 --> 02:08:35.439
Bors from Chicago Orris?
2131
02:08:35.439 --> 02:08:38.159
What do you got for Magnum Magnum?
2132
02:08:38.800 --> 02:08:38.960
Hey?
2133
02:08:39.039 --> 02:08:39.119
Ji?
2134
02:08:40.159 --> 02:08:42.000
My first question because I think you're gonna hit on
2135
02:08:42.439 --> 02:08:45.960
what if Magnum didn't have this accident and how how
2136
02:08:46.039 --> 02:08:48.319
his impact was you know, being in the industry at
2137
02:08:48.680 --> 02:08:52.119
any time would have changed. I think you're gonna cover that, right, Yeah,
2138
02:08:52.119 --> 02:08:55.239
we can talk about Well I had the same thought,
2139
02:08:55.279 --> 02:08:57.359
but since you go, I can go to something else
2140
02:08:57.399 --> 02:09:01.319
and y'ah, you know, talk about that. My thing says
2141
02:09:01.359 --> 02:09:03.600
he's inducting Dusty Rose.
2142
02:09:03.920 --> 02:09:04.359
What do you think?
2143
02:09:04.520 --> 02:09:06.319
My first question is what do you think about Cody
2144
02:09:06.399 --> 02:09:10.119
Roles having to lead the biggest company, wrestling company to actually,
2145
02:09:11.880 --> 02:09:16.359
so to speak, be himself, actually be a wrestler.
2146
02:09:17.079 --> 02:09:17.800
That's my first quo.
2147
02:09:18.840 --> 02:09:21.119
You know, everything in the business is a journey.
2148
02:09:21.640 --> 02:09:21.760
Uh.
2149
02:09:22.359 --> 02:09:25.520
I think you know, Cody, you know, wants to find
2150
02:09:25.600 --> 02:09:28.520
himself back into the you know, the Cody Rhoades character
2151
02:09:28.720 --> 02:09:32.039
and be himself. And you know, there's a you know,
2152
02:09:32.119 --> 02:09:34.680
there's a writing staff and a group there the w W.
2153
02:09:35.319 --> 02:09:38.279
You know, he's creating so many things and so much stuff.
2154
02:09:38.680 --> 02:09:40.800
But I don't know exactly. You know, I haven't talked
2155
02:09:40.840 --> 02:09:43.039
with him about it. I thought with this Bob and Michelle,
2156
02:09:44.279 --> 02:09:47.600
but yeah, I know he wanted to go experiment and
2157
02:09:47.720 --> 02:09:50.199
do some other things that you know, I wouldn't rule
2158
02:09:50.239 --> 02:09:52.399
out the fact that Cody might not be back one day.
2159
02:09:53.319 --> 02:09:56.319
I think if he goes out and uh, you know,
2160
02:09:56.640 --> 02:09:59.600
proves what he can do, uh, you know, working his
2161
02:09:59.720 --> 02:10:04.159
Cody Rose and get big enough uh following and people
2162
02:10:04.199 --> 02:10:09.680
out there supporting, uh supporting that that he could uh
2163
02:10:09.840 --> 02:10:11.880
you know, bring that character back to the w W
2164
02:10:12.119 --> 02:10:14.079
at some point in time. He's still a very young man.
2165
02:10:14.560 --> 02:10:17.039
He got the whole world in front of him, but uh,
2166
02:10:17.119 --> 02:10:19.479
you know, timing is everything, so they just weren't ready
2167
02:10:19.520 --> 02:10:22.840
for that day right now. And uh I respect his
2168
02:10:23.000 --> 02:10:26.800
decision to uh, you know, go do what he wants
2169
02:10:26.840 --> 02:10:30.199
to do, go be his own man. And uh so,
2170
02:10:30.560 --> 02:10:34.840
you know, I'm watching that situation closely because I mean,
2171
02:10:34.880 --> 02:10:37.159
he's he's a special guy in my life. He's my
2172
02:10:37.760 --> 02:10:42.039
he's my godson. And uh though we you know, we
2173
02:10:42.199 --> 02:10:45.000
weren't close as he was growing up because you know,
2174
02:10:45.159 --> 02:10:49.640
obviously life the things I've had dealt to me changed
2175
02:10:49.720 --> 02:10:53.600
my path and being geographically at different places, you know,
2176
02:10:53.640 --> 02:10:56.399
I very much have a you know, a tie to
2177
02:10:56.520 --> 02:10:58.039
him because of his dad.
2178
02:11:03.760 --> 02:11:04.199
Excellent.
2179
02:11:06.279 --> 02:11:10.359
The other second question is sure, uh hey, he nailed
2180
02:11:10.399 --> 02:11:10.720
it for me.
2181
02:11:11.000 --> 02:11:13.640
And my second question is the women's wrestling.
2182
02:11:13.640 --> 02:11:15.880
What do you think about what do you think about
2183
02:11:16.079 --> 02:11:22.439
Charlotte Charlotte the Sasha Banks is actually how they're coming
2184
02:11:22.479 --> 02:11:25.640
into the business and and actually we're getting back to
2185
02:11:26.399 --> 02:11:29.840
the women's professional wrestling and finally getting out the divas
2186
02:11:29.880 --> 02:11:32.640
era and getting back into you know, and it's taken
2187
02:11:32.680 --> 02:11:34.680
and it took him to It took us the time
2188
02:11:34.840 --> 02:11:39.720
of a Charlotte rich player's daughter and a few others,
2189
02:11:39.800 --> 02:11:43.119
which is surprising to you know, come up through n
2190
02:11:43.199 --> 02:11:47.119
XT and and get us back to women's wrestling.
2191
02:11:48.600 --> 02:11:53.680
Well, I applauded the movement because there's tremendous female athletes
2192
02:11:53.720 --> 02:11:57.119
out there in the world that can represent women's rights
2193
02:11:57.319 --> 02:12:01.760
like the way it deserves to be represented. And certainly, uh,
2194
02:12:01.960 --> 02:12:07.239
you know, you know Ashley Charlotte Rick's daughter, Uh, she
2195
02:12:07.439 --> 02:12:10.239
is a world class athlete in and of itself. She's
2196
02:12:10.680 --> 02:12:13.239
paint her dues and on the roads, and you know
2197
02:12:13.399 --> 02:12:16.319
she she worked at at NXT for so long that
2198
02:12:16.520 --> 02:12:19.159
Dusty was a big part of coaching her, developing her
2199
02:12:19.720 --> 02:12:22.840
her persona and her ability to speak all the mic.
2200
02:12:22.960 --> 02:12:26.439
And she's got the uh, you know, she's gotten all
2201
02:12:26.479 --> 02:12:29.039
the right stuff in the ring. Johnson Banks does too.
2202
02:12:29.159 --> 02:12:32.640
Sasha Banks, you know, honestly, Uh is one of is
2203
02:12:32.840 --> 02:12:37.319
just an absolutely incredible worker. And uh she doesn't have
2204
02:12:37.439 --> 02:12:40.520
the size of the stature that it actually has, but
2205
02:12:40.840 --> 02:12:43.479
she's got all the right stuff to be the champion.
2206
02:12:43.840 --> 02:12:46.239
And uh, you got to mix it up. There's got
2207
02:12:46.359 --> 02:12:50.840
you know, one person can't just dominate all the time.
2208
02:12:50.960 --> 02:12:54.079
It's gotten to be knocking forth in a challenge and
2209
02:12:54.159 --> 02:12:56.920
a picture painted that there's a contest going on with
2210
02:12:57.079 --> 02:12:59.239
somebody trying to take the tunnel, because if you don't
2211
02:12:59.279 --> 02:13:02.680
think there's a possibility of that happening at some point
2212
02:13:02.680 --> 02:13:06.640
in time, you're gonna lose you some fans. So you know,
2213
02:13:07.600 --> 02:13:10.800
they're both young in their careers, and I think we're
2214
02:13:10.800 --> 02:13:14.920
gonna see incredible matches and I think Nashville could continue
2215
02:13:14.960 --> 02:13:18.039
to grow as a competitor. I can imagine you know,
2216
02:13:18.399 --> 02:13:21.680
Page getting back in there. Uh, you know how good
2217
02:13:21.680 --> 02:13:23.560
a worker she is. I mean, there's this there's some
2218
02:13:23.680 --> 02:13:26.560
real depth of that women's division and fact that it's
2219
02:13:26.600 --> 02:13:30.199
really competitive because there's not as many opportunities and spots
2220
02:13:30.239 --> 02:13:32.920
for women all the wister as there are the best.
2221
02:13:37.359 --> 02:13:37.720
Excellent.
2222
02:13:37.960 --> 02:13:42.920
I really enjoyed your answers. My last, my last, My
2223
02:13:43.039 --> 02:13:47.520
last thing is the moves, which you guys are pretty
2224
02:13:47.560 --> 02:13:50.840
much hit on it. How you know your belly belly
2225
02:13:50.960 --> 02:13:54.520
was effective as it was and actually see I think Bailey,
2226
02:13:54.800 --> 02:13:58.560
which is another popular woman wrestler, I think she was
2227
02:13:58.680 --> 02:14:01.119
using the bell of the back for a finisher, which
2228
02:14:01.199 --> 02:14:04.159
is awesome, you know to see. Uh, And that's the
2229
02:14:04.199 --> 02:14:06.720
first thing I thought about was you, because I know
2230
02:14:06.880 --> 02:14:09.479
you're the only person that I watched, you know, in
2231
02:14:09.520 --> 02:14:12.560
my history to watch the wrestler that took that movement
2232
02:14:12.600 --> 02:14:14.439
and not it wasn't a spot move, you know, for
2233
02:14:14.560 --> 02:14:16.680
the next move, for the next move, but actually was
2234
02:14:16.720 --> 02:14:17.239
a finisher.
2235
02:14:17.319 --> 02:14:20.039
And to see her which is a woman's wrestler with.
2236
02:14:20.119 --> 02:14:22.520
You know, like I said, we haven't we hadn't got
2237
02:14:22.880 --> 02:14:25.640
that many women at the time, to see her executed too.
2238
02:14:26.000 --> 02:14:28.680
The first flashback I had was you and I think
2239
02:14:28.760 --> 02:14:31.000
that was awesome and I want My question was to
2240
02:14:31.159 --> 02:14:33.560
that is, what do you think of how like you said,
2241
02:14:33.840 --> 02:14:36.479
simple moves is not working anymore because they use you know,
2242
02:14:36.560 --> 02:14:38.720
you had to take the DDT used to be a finisher,
2243
02:14:39.119 --> 02:14:41.520
it's not now, and you think it's wrong that they
2244
02:14:41.840 --> 02:14:45.520
don't turn into it takes ten moves ten finishers to
2245
02:14:45.640 --> 02:14:47.960
take out somebody or this is where it had to
2246
02:14:48.039 --> 02:14:50.079
evolve to or can we go back to, you know,
2247
02:14:50.159 --> 02:14:52.600
where you had to actually use brass nuskles to cheat
2248
02:14:52.680 --> 02:14:53.199
or something like that.
2249
02:14:53.319 --> 02:14:56.159
You know, the simple form, the basics, that's what you know.
2250
02:14:57.000 --> 02:15:00.399
Honestly, doctor, wiggle my nerves and you know, be twenty
2251
02:15:00.479 --> 02:15:02.880
seven in the shape I was in, uh you know
2252
02:15:02.960 --> 02:15:05.239
back in nineteen eighty six, and I had the opportunity
2253
02:15:05.359 --> 02:15:10.319
today it would be it would be like stealing candy
2254
02:15:10.359 --> 02:15:15.000
from a baby because they've done so much that somebody
2255
02:15:15.119 --> 02:15:19.640
that came in today that did something that is completely
2256
02:15:20.479 --> 02:15:24.079
was sold and put over like a you know, instead
2257
02:15:24.119 --> 02:15:26.680
of the like you said, fifteen tennis booths that they
2258
02:15:26.760 --> 02:15:29.199
kick out just to get a pot. But if somebody
2259
02:15:29.399 --> 02:15:32.800
came out today that was you know, still did exciting
2260
02:15:32.880 --> 02:15:35.920
things that had one you know, one thing in their
2261
02:15:36.039 --> 02:15:40.000
arsenal that it was over game set point that you
2262
02:15:40.119 --> 02:15:43.640
could get over like a million bucks. And you know,
2263
02:15:44.479 --> 02:15:47.359
to me, it's wide open for a you know, for
2264
02:15:47.479 --> 02:15:51.760
a character for somebody who's that serious. They can't you know,
2265
02:15:52.079 --> 02:15:55.840
just you bring it all. Uh, you know, you could,
2266
02:15:56.119 --> 02:15:58.199
you know, the Scott could be the limit for what
2267
02:15:58.319 --> 02:15:59.119
you could accomplish.
2268
02:16:01.399 --> 02:16:03.359
Thanks, Boris, I appreciate the calling it magnum that that
2269
02:16:03.880 --> 02:16:05.399
you bring up an interesting point and one of the
2270
02:16:05.439 --> 02:16:07.560
things I want to talk to you about because after
2271
02:16:07.680 --> 02:16:09.479
your crash, I mean, you were still there so you
2272
02:16:09.600 --> 02:16:13.319
know better than I, but wrestling sort of pivoted and
2273
02:16:13.720 --> 02:16:16.000
with the with the Crockett sale and everything, and and
2274
02:16:16.119 --> 02:16:18.520
people came in who you know and you worked with,
2275
02:16:18.680 --> 02:16:21.079
who didn't seem to really know what you were what
2276
02:16:21.239 --> 02:16:25.239
they were doing, wrestling got really silly as far as
2277
02:16:25.439 --> 02:16:28.159
w c W, I guess in an effort to to
2278
02:16:28.640 --> 02:16:31.039
to to get the kids like w w F did
2279
02:16:31.079 --> 02:16:33.680
at the time. I mean, you know, we we saw
2280
02:16:33.719 --> 02:16:36.360
a lot of a lot of a lot of stupid crap,
2281
02:16:36.399 --> 02:16:38.600
which you what you lived through because you were you
2282
02:16:38.639 --> 02:16:41.639
were backstage through through a lot of this. But where
2283
02:16:41.719 --> 02:16:44.680
do you think that you as a wrestler and a performer,
2284
02:16:44.840 --> 02:16:46.719
had it not been for the crash, where would have
2285
02:16:47.280 --> 02:16:50.399
magnum t a the wrestler have fit in to all
2286
02:16:50.479 --> 02:16:53.040
of that ridiculous crap? Would you have just gone to
2287
02:16:53.280 --> 02:16:55.760
w w F, what how would you fit in with
2288
02:16:55.879 --> 02:17:00.000
all of that, all of just the just the ridiculous.
2289
02:17:01.520 --> 02:17:04.200
Well, I wouldn't have ever fit into the ridiculous as first,
2290
02:17:04.239 --> 02:17:06.360
because you know that just wasn't me.
2291
02:17:07.200 --> 02:17:07.319
Uh.
2292
02:17:07.760 --> 02:17:10.479
The tact of the matter, the tact of the matter is,
2293
02:17:10.600 --> 02:17:13.040
you know, you know, everybody knows, you know, they were
2294
02:17:13.120 --> 02:17:16.760
pushing me like nobody had ever been pushed and the
2295
02:17:16.799 --> 02:17:21.840
World Championship was was a foregone conclusion. But the fact
2296
02:17:21.840 --> 02:17:24.000
of the matter was that I had no I had
2297
02:17:24.040 --> 02:17:28.959
no desire to wrestle thirty years old. Uh, most people
2298
02:17:29.040 --> 02:17:32.879
don't know that I had this huge passion for racing
2299
02:17:33.680 --> 02:17:37.040
and I had the opportunity to drive many parses race
2300
02:17:37.200 --> 02:17:42.159
car at a sharp motor speedway because of Rustling, I
2301
02:17:42.280 --> 02:17:45.760
got to to, uh uh, you know, go out there
2302
02:17:45.840 --> 02:17:48.840
and drive the US to back the car, and I
2303
02:17:49.000 --> 02:17:51.799
really wanted to have a couple of year run with
2304
02:17:53.040 --> 02:17:56.120
with the world title, and I wanted to be seingling
2305
02:17:56.200 --> 02:18:01.399
off into racing, so you know that, you know, all
2306
02:18:01.559 --> 02:18:04.600
the stings and all the things that work to come
2307
02:18:05.079 --> 02:18:08.440
could have still come because I didn't really I didn't
2308
02:18:08.559 --> 02:18:11.440
want to be one of those guys that couldn't couldn't
2309
02:18:11.479 --> 02:18:13.639
find the graceful way out and didn't know when it
2310
02:18:13.760 --> 02:18:15.600
was time to hang it up. I wanted to be
2311
02:18:15.760 --> 02:18:19.280
remembered in my prom at the top of my game,
2312
02:18:19.879 --> 02:18:22.600
being the best I could be. And you know, if
2313
02:18:22.639 --> 02:18:25.879
the money had been just absolutely insane, you know, obviously
2314
02:18:25.959 --> 02:18:27.719
that would have kept me in a little bit longer.
2315
02:18:28.360 --> 02:18:31.959
But uh yeah, driving that race car around Charlotte Hunter
2316
02:18:32.000 --> 02:18:34.799
Speedway at one hundred and ninety miles in Iron was
2317
02:18:35.360 --> 02:18:38.600
the biggest rush I've ever had in my life. You know,
2318
02:18:38.799 --> 02:18:42.079
that was before Jeff Gordon and all that kind of
2319
02:18:42.120 --> 02:18:44.559
good stuff, and there was a big tie in with
2320
02:18:44.719 --> 02:18:48.200
wrestling and racing, and that was somewhere that you know,
2321
02:18:48.319 --> 02:18:49.159
I really wanted to go.
2322
02:18:51.440 --> 02:18:53.920
Rick Flair said a pretty high bar as far as
2323
02:18:54.040 --> 02:18:57.520
championship matches, and we saw a lot of people that
2324
02:18:57.760 --> 02:19:02.760
that that took the title, that couldn't that couldn't maintain
2325
02:19:02.840 --> 02:19:05.360
the fans interest and keep their imagination. How do you
2326
02:19:05.440 --> 02:19:09.280
think you would have pivoted from from magnum Ta US
2327
02:19:09.440 --> 02:19:14.200
champion and world title challenger to magnum Ta defending NWA
2328
02:19:14.479 --> 02:19:18.000
and or WCW World Heavyweight Champion.
2329
02:19:19.239 --> 02:19:21.360
But I think the only glimpse that we can see
2330
02:19:21.440 --> 02:19:24.799
into it, besides just sheer speculation, is to look at
2331
02:19:24.840 --> 02:19:28.479
the program with Nikita and I. Nikita was green as
2332
02:19:28.600 --> 02:19:32.399
the grass on the ground, as strong as anybody you
2333
02:19:32.520 --> 02:19:37.639
ever laid your hants on, and stiff, and Nikita and
2334
02:19:37.719 --> 02:19:40.920
I on many many occasions went out and went thirty
2335
02:19:40.959 --> 02:19:44.360
and forty five minutes and tore the house down. So
2336
02:19:45.520 --> 02:19:49.719
I have to think that if Kenneth had opportunity and
2337
02:19:50.280 --> 02:19:53.040
being able to general the match as a world champion
2338
02:19:53.879 --> 02:19:57.559
does that I probably could have gotten the job done.
2339
02:19:58.639 --> 02:20:01.600
I feel like I was kind of a precursor to
2340
02:20:01.879 --> 02:20:05.600
the Steve Austin type character. And that I wasn't a babyface.
2341
02:20:05.719 --> 02:20:09.360
Babyface wasn't a cutsy little babyface. It was a kind
2342
02:20:09.440 --> 02:20:12.479
that would smack, you know, mob goggle of the mouth
2343
02:20:13.239 --> 02:20:15.879
for saying the wrong thing. And I was kind of
2344
02:20:16.079 --> 02:20:20.079
anti authority, even though I tried to represent values and
2345
02:20:20.200 --> 02:20:24.559
principles and things that were good. So with that said,
2346
02:20:24.680 --> 02:20:27.959
you know, I can't ever see myself, you know, being
2347
02:20:28.040 --> 02:20:31.879
the cowardly heeled type character like Flair could portray and
2348
02:20:32.040 --> 02:20:35.079
do so well. But I think I could have. I
2349
02:20:35.120 --> 02:20:36.319
could have entertained the people.
2350
02:20:37.879 --> 02:20:40.040
And if you well, I guess, I guess by that
2351
02:20:40.200 --> 02:20:43.120
time pretty much he wasn't traveling much, so you wouldn't
2352
02:20:43.120 --> 02:20:45.680
have had to been like a like a subtle heel
2353
02:20:45.760 --> 02:20:47.680
too often, sort of like a maybe like a Jack
2354
02:20:47.760 --> 02:20:48.920
Brisco did at times.
2355
02:20:53.040 --> 02:20:55.840
Yeah, and there I mean, and there were heels out
2356
02:20:55.879 --> 02:20:58.000
there that didn't work like Flair. I mean, look at
2357
02:20:58.079 --> 02:21:01.520
Johnny Valentine. You know, Tony Valentale is about himself. The
2358
02:21:01.600 --> 02:21:03.680
son of a gun. Is you never you don't want
2359
02:21:03.719 --> 02:21:07.479
to see work? And I watched him and Whilie McDaniels
2360
02:21:07.559 --> 02:21:10.200
just beat each other's depths, you know growing up here
2361
02:21:10.239 --> 02:21:13.120
at the Atlantic, so you know you could be a rough,
2362
02:21:13.319 --> 02:21:16.520
rugged heel and not have to be a Cora at WIMP,
2363
02:21:17.399 --> 02:21:19.799
you know heel like you know some people were comfortable
2364
02:21:20.000 --> 02:21:22.399
portraying and still get the job done.
2365
02:21:24.559 --> 02:21:26.440
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02:21:26.559 --> 02:21:28.600
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Every week we're talking with magnum Ta. He's going to
2381
02:22:10.639 --> 02:22:13.520
be at the NWA Legends Fan fest this weekend. Go
2382
02:22:13.639 --> 02:22:17.040
to NWA Legends dot com for more information. A couple
2383
02:22:17.079 --> 02:22:19.959
of years ago when I went you did a great
2384
02:22:20.319 --> 02:22:22.799
Q and A for the fans with the Tully Blanchard
2385
02:22:23.319 --> 02:22:28.280
talking about your your famous Starcade match, and got an
2386
02:22:28.319 --> 02:22:32.040
email here from from a fan wanting to know it
2387
02:22:32.239 --> 02:22:34.959
was Was that your favorite Starkad match by far? Or
2388
02:22:35.040 --> 02:22:35.719
were there others?
2389
02:22:35.760 --> 02:22:36.280
What did you like?
2390
02:22:38.079 --> 02:22:41.000
Blackway matches is for you know, you gotta be the
2391
02:22:41.079 --> 02:22:44.760
pinnacle as far as performance, because I mean anything that
2392
02:22:44.920 --> 02:22:47.520
can be you know, talked about thirty years after the
2393
02:22:47.600 --> 02:22:50.719
fact in the fashion in which you did, uh. I
2394
02:22:50.760 --> 02:22:55.440
mean I spoke with always with Dave Beltzer last weekend
2395
02:22:55.520 --> 02:22:58.079
at at at Waterloo io on him for the first
2396
02:22:58.159 --> 02:23:02.079
time and he said, you know, you know what kind
2397
02:23:02.120 --> 02:23:06.000
of match did people still talk about, you know today
2398
02:23:06.559 --> 02:23:09.000
thirty years after the fact. They had the kind of
2399
02:23:09.040 --> 02:23:12.360
impact that one still match at And so you know,
2400
02:23:12.559 --> 02:23:16.120
even though demanding times of things that I might have did,
2401
02:23:16.200 --> 02:23:19.360
the ad the one more enjoyable, There's certainly nothing I've
2402
02:23:19.440 --> 02:23:23.239
done is left that kind of long lasting impact. The
2403
02:23:23.319 --> 02:23:28.239
best of seventh series was was uh, you know, was unbelievable,
2404
02:23:28.639 --> 02:23:31.360
but won't for one single match to stand out like
2405
02:23:31.479 --> 02:23:31.760
it did.
2406
02:23:32.360 --> 02:23:32.479
Uh.
2407
02:23:32.600 --> 02:23:35.319
Yeah, that's certainly got to be the highlight reel for me.
2408
02:23:36.959 --> 02:23:38.879
And sure it seems like every few years people do
2409
02:23:39.040 --> 02:23:41.040
dust off a best of seven or a best of
2410
02:23:41.159 --> 02:23:44.159
something series, So yeah, that is quite a quite a legacy.
2411
02:23:44.200 --> 02:23:47.399
We got another question here from Matt from Washington State.
2412
02:23:47.440 --> 02:23:50.120
He wants to know did you ever wrestle outside of
2413
02:23:50.159 --> 02:23:50.600
the US?
2414
02:23:55.079 --> 02:23:57.239
Got outside? No, I really didn't.
2415
02:23:57.520 --> 02:23:57.639
Uh.
2416
02:23:59.159 --> 02:24:04.079
I worked with Joe Blanchard, we went over into Mexico
2417
02:24:04.239 --> 02:24:08.440
I think one time, and Russell at Hawaii, which, of
2418
02:24:08.479 --> 02:24:12.920
course that's still in the United States, even's off the continent.
2419
02:24:13.040 --> 02:24:17.559
But I was scheduled to have dogs at Japan in
2420
02:24:17.760 --> 02:24:21.799
February of eighty eight, seven before you, before the crash affened,
2421
02:24:21.959 --> 02:24:24.639
so that would have been my first opportunity to go out,
2422
02:24:25.120 --> 02:24:26.159
But no, I did not.
2423
02:24:28.120 --> 02:24:29.559
One of the things I learned when I was at
2424
02:24:29.639 --> 02:24:33.120
n W A fan fest, which which is a great story,
2425
02:24:33.159 --> 02:24:37.680
I think, tell everyone the magnum Ta name, tell him
2426
02:24:38.079 --> 02:24:40.559
whose idea was that name? And it's it's a pretty
2427
02:24:40.559 --> 02:24:41.520
great it's pretty amazing.
2428
02:24:41.559 --> 02:24:46.639
I think, well, you know it is I and I
2429
02:24:47.120 --> 02:24:49.319
still I had to laugh about that to this day.
2430
02:24:50.000 --> 02:24:55.520
I had struck up my friendship with Andrea John back
2431
02:24:55.600 --> 02:24:58.200
in my Portland days because I had a great, big
2432
02:24:58.280 --> 02:25:01.799
old ninety eight for to a car. And when he
2433
02:25:01.920 --> 02:25:04.399
came in, as he did back then, to you spent
2434
02:25:04.479 --> 02:25:06.600
a couple of weeks in the territory whoever had the
2435
02:25:06.680 --> 02:25:10.159
biggest car called the Giant around. So we met and
2436
02:25:10.360 --> 02:25:13.040
talked and got to be actually, you know, good friends.
2437
02:25:13.600 --> 02:25:16.920
And then when I was down in Florida, we were traveling.
2438
02:25:17.079 --> 02:25:20.440
We'd been out to some night club something late at night,
2439
02:25:20.520 --> 02:25:23.719
and we're eating breakfast at a place called fat Man's
2440
02:25:23.799 --> 02:25:27.639
Barbecue and down there in Tampa, and he looked across
2441
02:25:27.719 --> 02:25:30.639
the table at me, and and I progressed quite a
2442
02:25:30.719 --> 02:25:33.040
bit since he had first met me when I first
2443
02:25:33.120 --> 02:25:36.440
broke in, and he said, you know, he said, eating
2444
02:25:36.520 --> 02:25:39.239
a handle eating He said, he looked kind of like
2445
02:25:39.360 --> 02:25:42.639
that guy on TV. He said, you should be magnum Ta.
2446
02:25:43.040 --> 02:25:45.920
And he came right out of his mouth, and he
2447
02:25:46.120 --> 02:25:48.959
was going to go back to New York. And then
2448
02:25:49.120 --> 02:25:53.079
Senior was still living and talked to Vince about bringing
2449
02:25:53.159 --> 02:25:57.760
me to New York. Then, and you started starting off
2450
02:25:57.840 --> 02:26:02.120
a career as magnum Ta well before he could get
2451
02:26:02.239 --> 02:26:06.239
that done Ernie Land, who was working with Bill Watts.
2452
02:26:07.079 --> 02:26:10.680
He was in for a TV taping. He saw me,
2453
02:26:11.319 --> 02:26:14.520
and this is when Warren Dorf left Bill it went
2454
02:26:14.559 --> 02:26:16.879
to New York. So it opened up to a spot
2455
02:26:17.559 --> 02:26:22.319
in their roster. So Ernie gave me the call, told
2456
02:26:22.319 --> 02:26:25.920
me the spot was there, asked me if I wanted
2457
02:26:25.959 --> 02:26:28.319
to come. I went there and that's where I lonched
2458
02:26:28.360 --> 02:26:30.879
off the magnum Ta character.
2459
02:26:33.479 --> 02:26:37.760
How do you think magnum Ta would have fit into
2460
02:26:38.200 --> 02:26:40.040
the WWF.
2461
02:26:42.000 --> 02:26:46.280
Frankly, I think it would have been amazing. Vince was
2462
02:26:46.399 --> 02:26:50.799
so creative, especially during that area, Kara. It's so hungry,
2463
02:26:52.440 --> 02:26:56.799
you know, looking for the next big thing that I
2464
02:26:56.959 --> 02:27:02.639
think potentially that combination of he and I could have
2465
02:27:03.600 --> 02:27:09.159
just been dust It would have never happened unless Dusty
2466
02:27:09.239 --> 02:27:12.000
had left too, because my loyalty was to Dusty. It
2467
02:27:12.120 --> 02:27:15.840
wasn't even the m w A. It was Dusty. And uh,
2468
02:27:16.159 --> 02:27:18.319
I mean I left Bill to come to Dusty when
2469
02:27:19.000 --> 02:27:22.280
when the VIDs, you know, Atlantic was on his rear
2470
02:27:22.440 --> 02:27:25.840
end and Mid South was on fire. So you know,
2471
02:27:26.000 --> 02:27:28.559
if Dusty had said, you know, I think it'd be
2472
02:27:29.120 --> 02:27:31.200
you know, if Dusty said, I think it would be
2473
02:27:31.360 --> 02:27:34.920
best for you out of gone, but I would have
2474
02:27:35.440 --> 02:27:38.399
really loved to see what I could have done with
2475
02:27:38.520 --> 02:27:39.959
that kind of machine behind me.
2476
02:27:42.639 --> 02:27:44.559
I was Florida when you were there, was it was
2477
02:27:44.600 --> 02:27:45.600
it starting to taper off.
2478
02:27:47.639 --> 02:27:49.920
It was you know, we were doing decent houses. I mean,
2479
02:27:50.120 --> 02:27:51.719
you know, I was work in the middle of the
2480
02:27:51.760 --> 02:27:54.559
card and making decent money and uh you know it
2481
02:27:54.719 --> 02:27:57.399
was it was a great place to work in. You know,
2482
02:27:57.680 --> 02:28:01.799
the experience, uh get experience with all kinds of season Metrians.
2483
02:28:03.120 --> 02:28:06.559
But as far as you know, as far as business wise,
2484
02:28:06.639 --> 02:28:08.879
I mean, it was nothing compared to what we turned.
2485
02:28:09.040 --> 02:28:11.959
He had been south into where we where we'd got
2486
02:28:12.120 --> 02:28:13.200
that place called all as Far.
2487
02:28:15.479 --> 02:28:17.520
And this was the era where they were they were
2488
02:28:17.559 --> 02:28:20.639
had they had the Global Tag Team Championships. They didn't
2489
02:28:20.639 --> 02:28:23.399
have the US titles of the Florida titles. They were
2490
02:28:23.479 --> 02:28:26.319
kind of transitioning to to the global identity.
2491
02:28:27.399 --> 02:28:31.200
Right and that was a Brad Armstrong and myself myself
2492
02:28:31.280 --> 02:28:34.959
were the Global Tag Team Champions, as were Scott McGee
2493
02:28:35.000 --> 02:28:38.440
and myself, So we both tell those titles and we
2494
02:28:38.559 --> 02:28:42.159
weren't with the U with the Royal Kangaroos.
2495
02:28:43.639 --> 02:28:45.360
That was Was there any heat from the n w
2496
02:28:45.639 --> 02:28:47.879
A for for I mean, essentially you're calling it a
2497
02:28:47.959 --> 02:28:48.600
world title.
2498
02:28:51.000 --> 02:28:54.120
You know, if there was nobody talked about it, Uh,
2499
02:28:54.360 --> 02:28:56.879
you know, it wasn't being talked about at a bi level.
2500
02:28:57.360 --> 02:28:57.479
Uh.
2501
02:28:57.639 --> 02:28:59.879
If you know, Eddie Graham would have been handled all that,
2502
02:29:00.719 --> 02:29:03.879
and he kept things pretty close to the cuff, so uh,
2503
02:29:04.040 --> 02:29:07.520
you know there could have been heat, but whatever expressed us.
2504
02:29:09.040 --> 02:29:11.639
All right, let's go to a six two eight six two.
2505
02:29:11.680 --> 02:29:12.559
You're on the Life cast.
2506
02:29:12.600 --> 02:29:13.200
Who's line?
2507
02:29:13.239 --> 02:29:14.000
Where are you coming from?
2508
02:29:14.600 --> 02:29:15.840
It's Kyler Jim?
2509
02:29:16.000 --> 02:29:16.959
How are you funny?
2510
02:29:17.360 --> 02:29:17.799
Good man?
2511
02:29:17.840 --> 02:29:20.760
What do you got for making ta okay?
2512
02:29:22.799 --> 02:29:26.840
First off, magnimum, it's an honor to talk to you, sir.
2513
02:29:27.600 --> 02:29:35.079
My first question for you is did you ever think
2514
02:29:35.280 --> 02:29:42.159
of going to w w WE at some point before
2515
02:29:42.520 --> 02:29:44.639
your accident happened to you?
2516
02:29:47.159 --> 02:29:47.200
No?
2517
02:29:47.399 --> 02:29:50.000
I never had to play to go on there before
2518
02:29:50.040 --> 02:29:53.239
the accident. I mean, my goal was firmly set on
2519
02:29:53.520 --> 02:29:56.799
I'm coming to the WA world anyway can And of
2520
02:29:56.840 --> 02:30:00.399
course you know that had not happened. U. You know
2521
02:30:00.520 --> 02:30:03.399
idea it was probably about sites if you take place,
2522
02:30:03.959 --> 02:30:07.719
So yeah, the WWE wasn't even an achely gonna find
2523
02:30:08.280 --> 02:30:09.280
in my head back then.
2524
02:30:12.600 --> 02:30:12.840
Hmm.
2525
02:30:13.159 --> 02:30:22.440
Interesting. And my second question is even though you just
2526
02:30:23.680 --> 02:30:33.600
expressed a desire to enter the the stock car racing profession,
2527
02:30:34.959 --> 02:30:42.399
did you ever have any inklings of becoming a producer
2528
02:30:43.040 --> 02:30:49.879
flash wrestling agent, Because in this last hour or so
2529
02:30:50.159 --> 02:30:56.200
of conversation that I've had the privilege of listening to you,
2530
02:30:56.479 --> 02:31:01.520
seem like you would have made an excellent boy. That
2531
02:31:01.959 --> 02:31:07.159
transition in through and all of the career post accidents.
2532
02:31:09.120 --> 02:31:13.280
Well to you know, today, at fifty seven years old,
2533
02:31:14.319 --> 02:31:17.680
I've got a great deal different outlook on it than
2534
02:31:17.760 --> 02:31:21.000
I would have than I did at twenty seven, twenty
2535
02:31:21.040 --> 02:31:24.840
eight years old. It was very difficult coming back after
2536
02:31:24.920 --> 02:31:30.520
the accident and interjecting myself back into the industry when
2537
02:31:30.719 --> 02:31:34.440
I was still so young that you know, by all rights,
2538
02:31:34.559 --> 02:31:38.280
I should have been out there performing, even though I
2539
02:31:38.399 --> 02:31:42.360
had this vast head knowledge because I studied under Dusty
2540
02:31:42.799 --> 02:31:45.719
and Eddie Graham and Bill Wattson. I was such a
2541
02:31:45.799 --> 02:31:49.600
student of the game. It wasn't I wasn't comfortable in
2542
02:31:49.719 --> 02:31:53.799
my own skin working with my contemporaries that I should
2543
02:31:53.840 --> 02:31:57.639
have been out there in the ring performing with trying
2544
02:31:57.760 --> 02:32:01.879
to be you know, directing in and giving guidance and
2545
02:32:02.040 --> 02:32:05.239
doing all those kind of things. So everything because of
2546
02:32:05.680 --> 02:32:08.360
my youth and the time at which you know, this
2547
02:32:08.559 --> 02:32:12.479
untimely accident happened made it made that kind of transition,
2548
02:32:13.079 --> 02:32:17.399
you know, difficult. Uh, you know, if I've been older, absolutely,
2549
02:32:17.559 --> 02:32:21.399
but you know, in today and even in today's time,
2550
02:32:21.920 --> 02:32:24.399
even though I've gotten the head knowledge, I don't have
2551
02:32:25.079 --> 02:32:28.079
the patience to be you know, so tied up and
2552
02:32:28.120 --> 02:32:30.120
away from your family and not being able to do
2553
02:32:30.200 --> 02:32:33.319
the things with my kids that you know, the business
2554
02:32:33.399 --> 02:32:36.440
does to you. Because I'm a dad of seven and
2555
02:32:36.840 --> 02:32:40.760
my youngest are eight years old, boy girl, twins, and
2556
02:32:41.120 --> 02:32:44.879
you know, at this point in my life there's nothing
2557
02:32:44.920 --> 02:32:47.639
more important to me than my family. And when I
2558
02:32:47.719 --> 02:32:50.760
was twenty seven and no kids, you know, I was
2559
02:32:50.840 --> 02:32:53.600
married to the business, in love with what I was doing,
2560
02:32:54.040 --> 02:32:57.520
and had, you know, such high goals and desires to
2561
02:32:57.639 --> 02:33:00.079
be the best in the world. And that's what I
2562
02:33:00.200 --> 02:33:03.719
was committed to. And it takes that kind of commitment
2563
02:33:03.799 --> 02:33:07.879
to me in this you have to sacrifice those other things,
2564
02:33:07.959 --> 02:33:10.719
and I would never you know, as a peture group band,
2565
02:33:10.920 --> 02:33:13.399
you know, want to sacrifice those kind of things for
2566
02:33:13.559 --> 02:33:14.159
a profession.
2567
02:33:14.440 --> 02:33:19.200
Again, we're talking with Magnum here on the p W
2568
02:33:19.319 --> 02:33:23.360
George Live Cast. Magnum. You are the stepfather of Tessa
2569
02:33:23.559 --> 02:33:29.799
Tessa Blanchard. Correct, absolutely, yeah, Now obviously you you she
2570
02:33:29.920 --> 02:33:34.600
grew up around you and you obviously uh did are you?
2571
02:33:34.760 --> 02:33:37.360
Were you surprised when she decided that she wanted to
2572
02:33:37.879 --> 02:33:38.680
enter the profession.
2573
02:33:40.239 --> 02:33:41.000
No, I wasn't.
2574
02:33:41.040 --> 02:33:44.280
Simply for the fact that Tessa has always been intrigued
2575
02:33:44.440 --> 02:33:48.239
with uh, with hacking and me on the stage, being
2576
02:33:48.319 --> 02:33:52.319
in the spotlight. And when she went down to Wrestle Media,
2577
02:33:52.360 --> 02:33:55.079
when they inducted Tully to the Hall of Fame, and
2578
02:33:55.280 --> 02:33:59.040
she saw the biggest show on earth for wrestling and
2579
02:34:00.399 --> 02:34:04.200
excitement and the just all the things surrounded that, and
2580
02:34:04.319 --> 02:34:07.079
she came back with stars in her eyes. I mean,
2581
02:34:07.319 --> 02:34:11.239
just totally intrigued by that whole life, that whole world.
2582
02:34:11.719 --> 02:34:14.479
Because even though she was raised by.
2583
02:34:14.440 --> 02:34:18.120
Me and with her dad, uh, you know all the here,
2584
02:34:18.280 --> 02:34:21.559
we were both out of the game as she grew
2585
02:34:21.719 --> 02:34:24.159
up and was young, so she didn't wasn't around it,
2586
02:34:24.280 --> 02:34:27.799
didn't see us performing, didn't you know, view of it
2587
02:34:27.959 --> 02:34:30.879
and about it, and because people talking to her about
2588
02:34:31.079 --> 02:34:33.799
us and our past, but which she was, you know,
2589
02:34:34.520 --> 02:34:38.280
seeing all that excitement of Russellmedia. Uh, it excited a
2590
02:34:38.440 --> 02:34:42.079
spark in her and she's just you know, dug her
2591
02:34:42.159 --> 02:34:47.360
heels in. She's gotten me that intangible in factor that
2592
02:34:47.479 --> 02:34:50.440
you either have or you don't have. And she's given
2593
02:34:50.479 --> 02:34:55.879
the opportunity to, you know, to perfect her craft, which
2594
02:34:55.959 --> 02:34:59.200
takes just spakes times as your right time, takes lots
2595
02:34:59.239 --> 02:35:01.799
of low some ring and time in the front of
2596
02:35:01.920 --> 02:35:05.000
live audiences. She's gonna be a superstar one day.
2597
02:35:07.000 --> 02:35:09.520
What type of professional advice did you give her?
2598
02:35:11.600 --> 02:35:13.840
Well, I told her to work hard and to you know,
2599
02:35:14.079 --> 02:35:18.120
work hard and listen and to be humble, because you
2600
02:35:18.280 --> 02:35:20.680
can't listen to the accolades of the fans and the
2601
02:35:20.760 --> 02:35:25.000
marks and all the things around you and let it
2602
02:35:25.120 --> 02:35:27.959
get teen. And you've got realized that this is a
2603
02:35:28.079 --> 02:35:31.120
craft that you have to learn. It takes time, and
2604
02:35:31.719 --> 02:35:34.159
no matter how hard and how many workouts you have
2605
02:35:34.280 --> 02:35:37.399
in a ring, it takes time of performing with lots
2606
02:35:37.440 --> 02:35:40.200
of different people, with lots of different styles, and it
2607
02:35:40.360 --> 02:35:43.479
just takes time to perfect that. So I've asked, you know,
2608
02:35:43.799 --> 02:35:46.559
trying to encourage her to be patient, to be diligent,
2609
02:35:46.680 --> 02:35:48.399
to keep working hard to be the best he can
2610
02:35:48.520 --> 02:35:53.440
be every day, and that if she's persistent with that
2611
02:35:53.719 --> 02:35:56.360
and true to herself and what she's doing that she
2612
02:35:56.479 --> 02:35:57.319
can be a success.
2613
02:36:00.399 --> 02:36:01.959
Do you ever watch a WWE and think it.
2614
02:36:02.079 --> 02:36:02.719
Used to be better?
2615
02:36:02.959 --> 02:36:04.840
I don't know, josh Sometimes I think it used to
2616
02:36:04.879 --> 02:36:05.799
be a whole lot worse.
2617
02:36:06.079 --> 02:36:09.239
I mean, whether it's WrestleMania main events, old dudes at
2618
02:36:09.280 --> 02:36:12.440
the top, to many titles, or women's wrestling.
2619
02:36:12.639 --> 02:36:13.280
We're here to.
2620
02:36:13.319 --> 02:36:16.159
Answer the big question, is it worse or better?
2621
02:36:16.319 --> 02:36:16.479
Now?
2622
02:36:17.040 --> 02:36:21.159
Join me Joshua White and me Stephanie Cheese for Worse or.
2623
02:36:21.239 --> 02:36:24.239
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02:36:24.319 --> 02:36:25.239
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Worse or Better. Finally, something for wrestling fans to do
2631
02:36:44.000 --> 02:36:44.879
on Monday.
2632
02:36:44.600 --> 02:36:49.559
Nights, We're talking with magnum Ga, who is going to
2633
02:36:49.600 --> 02:36:53.760
be at the NWA Legends fan Fest this weekend in Charlotte.
2634
02:36:53.959 --> 02:36:55.680
All kinds of people are going to be there. A
2635
02:36:55.799 --> 02:36:59.479
Lady Blossom Genie Clark, the ex wife of Stone Cold
2636
02:36:59.520 --> 02:37:02.440
Steve All Chris Adams and Billy Jack Haynes. She's gonna
2637
02:37:02.440 --> 02:37:05.440
have a Q and A on Thursday. Also Mickey James,
2638
02:37:06.159 --> 02:37:08.280
Tony Shavani is going to be there. I believe this
2639
02:37:08.479 --> 02:37:12.760
is Tony's first time being there. Jim Cornett is gonna
2640
02:37:12.760 --> 02:37:15.840
do his live podcast taping at eleven o'clock, which is
2641
02:37:15.920 --> 02:37:17.120
a tradition.
2642
02:37:17.239 --> 02:37:17.479
He's in.
2643
02:37:18.000 --> 02:37:21.840
He's in fine form ringside with Jim Ross. Austin Idol,
2644
02:37:21.879 --> 02:37:23.399
who was on the show a couple of weeks ago,
2645
02:37:23.559 --> 02:37:25.319
is going to be doing a live Q and A again.
2646
02:37:25.760 --> 02:37:29.879
Austin Idol does not do a lot of speaking appearances.
2647
02:37:29.920 --> 02:37:32.520
Definitely something I'm looking forward to is I'm going to
2648
02:37:32.600 --> 02:37:35.559
be there this weekend. Jimmy Garvin, He's going to be
2649
02:37:35.639 --> 02:37:39.360
speaking Roadway or Animal Magnum. He's going to be doing
2650
02:37:39.440 --> 02:37:42.719
a Q and A at one pm on Saturday. And
2651
02:37:42.840 --> 02:37:45.000
of course, I guess one of the reasons you're here
2652
02:37:45.120 --> 02:37:47.840
is to talk about the Hall of Heroes banquet, and
2653
02:37:48.120 --> 02:37:51.799
this year you're going to be inducting your your mentor
2654
02:37:52.000 --> 02:37:55.040
your your friend the American Dream, Dusty Rhodes, who he
2655
02:37:55.200 --> 02:38:00.680
lost about about a year ago. Talk about what what
2656
02:38:00.879 --> 02:38:03.239
Dusty did did for you that maybe we may we
2657
02:38:03.360 --> 02:38:04.399
may not know about.
2658
02:38:06.239 --> 02:38:10.280
Well, I don't want to give away you know, everything
2659
02:38:10.360 --> 02:38:13.120
that I'm going to talk about in the conduction cerebody
2660
02:38:13.159 --> 02:38:17.120
and obviously everybody listening, he doesn't have the potential of
2661
02:38:17.719 --> 02:38:21.079
being uh being you know, being part of that. So
2662
02:38:21.879 --> 02:38:24.200
you know, the the one of the biggest, one of
2663
02:38:24.200 --> 02:38:29.319
the bigger things I'll share is that Dusty was that
2664
02:38:29.559 --> 02:38:32.639
true friend to the end kind of guy. Uh. He
2665
02:38:32.920 --> 02:38:36.120
he wasn't friends with me just because uh, you know,
2666
02:38:36.360 --> 02:38:39.520
I helped you know them, you know, set the the
2667
02:38:39.639 --> 02:38:42.799
Atlantic on fire and go into the battle against the
2668
02:38:43.000 --> 02:38:45.440
w w E and do all the things that we did.
2669
02:38:46.280 --> 02:38:49.879
We had a friendship, a brotherhood that was second and
2670
02:38:50.000 --> 02:38:54.120
that and you know, after my accident, uh and after
2671
02:38:54.239 --> 02:38:57.319
he departed going to the w w E, and uh,
2672
02:38:58.360 --> 02:39:03.280
he was getting an opportunity come back to to w
2673
02:39:03.479 --> 02:39:07.879
c W as the booker, as the creative director. You know,
2674
02:39:08.159 --> 02:39:10.479
he opened that door up for me to come in
2675
02:39:10.520 --> 02:39:15.159
and be his assistant. And that was huge at a
2676
02:39:15.280 --> 02:39:17.399
time when you know, I didn't have a lot of
2677
02:39:17.440 --> 02:39:23.159
opportunities out there because the CBS organization had let me
2678
02:39:23.360 --> 02:39:27.520
go after my contract had expired, and there was a
2679
02:39:27.559 --> 02:39:30.120
whole group of people there that really didn't know anything
2680
02:39:30.159 --> 02:39:32.520
about me or what I went to the business, or
2681
02:39:33.399 --> 02:39:36.120
history or anything, and it was kind of a cold place.
2682
02:39:36.760 --> 02:39:39.959
And he opened up opportunities for me that theybled me
2683
02:39:40.079 --> 02:39:43.120
to take care of and provide for my family. And
2684
02:39:44.399 --> 02:39:47.280
it was just a true and good friend at good
2685
02:39:47.360 --> 02:39:51.079
times and bad times. So, you know, a very special
2686
02:39:51.159 --> 02:39:56.639
relationship there. And I've never had a relationship even come
2687
02:39:56.719 --> 02:40:00.280
close with any one person of my adult life. Drug
2688
02:40:00.399 --> 02:40:03.959
Dusty and I shared both during my wrestling in the
2689
02:40:04.120 --> 02:40:05.559
ring career and half.
2690
02:40:10.520 --> 02:40:12.399
As far as as far as Dusty, what do you
2691
02:40:12.440 --> 02:40:15.280
think he meant the to the wrestling business.
2692
02:40:17.280 --> 02:40:20.200
Well, he was bigger than the wrestling business. His impact
2693
02:40:20.879 --> 02:40:25.159
will be felt throughout time because not only is at
2694
02:40:25.239 --> 02:40:29.239
ring performance and what he did and helping you build
2695
02:40:29.399 --> 02:40:34.000
the big Vega shows that people enjoy today, but his
2696
02:40:34.200 --> 02:40:37.559
work in the ring and his sideline work with all
2697
02:40:37.639 --> 02:40:41.079
these kids down there in the NFT and the developmental
2698
02:40:41.200 --> 02:40:47.840
Center has has firmly entrenched, you know, the philosophies and
2699
02:40:48.319 --> 02:40:52.200
what Dusty was brought to professional wrestling and a whole
2700
02:40:52.360 --> 02:40:55.559
huge generation of kids that we're going to see performing
2701
02:40:55.680 --> 02:40:59.440
over the next ten fifteen years. So you'll see pieces
2702
02:40:59.479 --> 02:41:02.840
of events and pieces of Dusty Royds and his influence
2703
02:41:03.639 --> 02:41:06.959
over the wrestling community for seventy years to come. That
2704
02:41:07.799 --> 02:41:12.479
his impact will be fault for for multiple generations.
2705
02:41:13.920 --> 02:41:14.040
Yea.
2706
02:41:14.200 --> 02:41:16.639
And I think it's amazing back, you know, with the
2707
02:41:16.799 --> 02:41:19.440
with the with the six o five show, if you
2708
02:41:19.559 --> 02:41:22.520
watch it now on the network, you'll see the interviews
2709
02:41:22.559 --> 02:41:27.639
that Dusty would cut and he would make veiled comments,
2710
02:41:27.799 --> 02:41:30.879
veiled digs at the w WF, and it was it
2711
02:41:31.000 --> 02:41:33.639
was a very heated rivalry as you as you talked about.
2712
02:41:34.399 --> 02:41:37.200
And I think it's it's a testament to Dusty's legacy.
2713
02:41:37.239 --> 02:41:39.159
And people talk about when he went to the WWF
2714
02:41:39.239 --> 02:41:41.239
and they they put him in polka dots and he
2715
02:41:41.600 --> 02:41:43.000
may or may not it may or may not have
2716
02:41:43.079 --> 02:41:46.479
been a rib but whatever. But for for a guy
2717
02:41:46.600 --> 02:41:49.840
who was on the front line of that very bitter war,
2718
02:41:50.000 --> 02:41:52.639
who may or may not have been humiliated by Vince
2719
02:41:52.719 --> 02:41:55.600
when he went to the WWF, here we are thirty
2720
02:41:55.680 --> 02:41:58.319
years later, and I think it's a testament to the
2721
02:41:58.399 --> 02:42:00.959
work that he did and the person that he was,
2722
02:42:01.120 --> 02:42:05.719
where he has been remembered and embraced and you know,
2723
02:42:05.879 --> 02:42:08.159
and enshrined as as one of their own.
2724
02:42:08.239 --> 02:42:14.200
Now, well, Vincent and his wife and Triple Ah and stuff,
2725
02:42:14.319 --> 02:42:17.520
we're all there, and Dustin's general saw them while they're
2726
02:42:17.600 --> 02:42:20.440
talk to them, and the thing was it was about
2727
02:42:20.639 --> 02:42:23.840
our business has always been about respect. The other. Rivalry
2728
02:42:24.040 --> 02:42:28.000
was huge, and there was certainly animosity when Dusty first
2729
02:42:28.040 --> 02:42:30.440
went there. And now, I don't think the publy nuts
2730
02:42:30.479 --> 02:42:33.000
were a rib at all. I think they were an
2731
02:42:33.000 --> 02:42:36.959
attempt to discredit him and the fact that he rose
2732
02:42:37.120 --> 02:42:41.879
above and beyond anything. Ever anybody imagined what he could
2733
02:42:41.920 --> 02:42:46.239
do with what they laid on his plate only elevated
2734
02:42:46.319 --> 02:42:50.159
him even higher in their opinion of you know, in
2735
02:42:50.280 --> 02:42:53.920
respect for what Dusty was capable of doing as a
2736
02:42:54.000 --> 02:42:57.760
performer and both you know what he also would later
2737
02:42:57.920 --> 02:43:02.319
bring and his coaching coach mentoring to the view and
2738
02:43:02.399 --> 02:43:05.120
young talent that they were trying to cultivate for their
2739
02:43:05.120 --> 02:43:12.200
own their own uh endeavors. So yeah, it's an amazing
2740
02:43:12.319 --> 02:43:15.239
story and one that has so many layers of so
2741
02:43:15.360 --> 02:43:18.280
many passes that you can write multiple books about it.
2742
02:43:20.079 --> 02:43:22.280
So when I was promoting this interview with you, Magnum,
2743
02:43:22.319 --> 02:43:25.600
I tweeted out a picture of you and Dusty in
2744
02:43:25.760 --> 02:43:29.680
these huge fur coats on the six o five show
2745
02:43:29.840 --> 02:43:32.879
doing an interview with Tony Schavani, and Tony's got this
2746
02:43:33.079 --> 02:43:36.600
look on his face. And I guess a lot of fans,
2747
02:43:36.920 --> 02:43:40.879
younger fans are people had not seen, uh seen those
2748
02:43:40.959 --> 02:43:44.600
coats before. They had they had it, got it, got
2749
02:43:44.639 --> 02:43:47.520
a lot of engagement. Everyone was commenting on the the
2750
02:43:47.600 --> 02:43:49.399
fur coats. So do you wanna do you want to
2751
02:43:49.479 --> 02:43:52.040
explain the huge fur coats you guys wore?
2752
02:43:53.280 --> 02:43:55.719
Yeah, we, you know, we we had a lot of jesting,
2753
02:43:55.920 --> 02:43:58.159
you know, go on between us, and you know, Player
2754
02:43:58.319 --> 02:44:01.280
was always run in his mouth and his mis and
2755
02:44:01.399 --> 02:44:04.399
this that and his you know, all his high dollar
2756
02:44:04.559 --> 02:44:06.959
suits and all the things. And and one day we
2757
02:44:07.040 --> 02:44:09.719
were just Dusty dye Player. We were all in Vegas
2758
02:44:10.239 --> 02:44:14.799
and Dusty and I walked into this furrier shop with
2759
02:44:14.959 --> 02:44:18.120
the guy who'd made coats for Limarachi and everybody else,
2760
02:44:18.719 --> 02:44:20.799
and of course they were all over he and I
2761
02:44:21.520 --> 02:44:23.680
and we just we just had a long hair. This
2762
02:44:23.760 --> 02:44:27.040
time we both could get full link coyote coats made
2763
02:44:27.399 --> 02:44:30.399
to wear on TV, just to shut up Rick. And
2764
02:44:30.600 --> 02:44:33.520
so we again we both bought these coats. We paid
2765
02:44:33.520 --> 02:44:36.200
about seventy five hundred dollars a piece for him back
2766
02:44:36.239 --> 02:44:40.200
in nineteen eighty five and wore maybe three times but
2767
02:44:40.399 --> 02:44:43.840
Warball TVs and had pictures taken with him, and you know,
2768
02:44:44.280 --> 02:44:46.639
it was it was just kind of a tongue and
2769
02:44:46.719 --> 02:44:49.280
cheek kind of funny thing to us back then. But
2770
02:44:49.760 --> 02:44:53.079
you know, that's kind of competition we had. And you know,
2771
02:44:53.360 --> 02:44:56.280
as a cavadery and everything else out of a bots
2772
02:44:56.360 --> 02:44:58.920
this and it's H'm glad that there's some good pictures
2773
02:44:59.000 --> 02:45:01.079
of us out there in them and the wolves and
2774
02:45:01.159 --> 02:45:04.040
did create quite a stern to say the least.
2775
02:45:05.799 --> 02:45:07.600
Did did do you still have the coat? Did you
2776
02:45:07.680 --> 02:45:08.000
sell it?
2777
02:45:08.120 --> 02:45:09.040
What? Was it a tax?
2778
02:45:09.159 --> 02:45:09.280
Right?
2779
02:45:10.760 --> 02:45:10.959
Yeah?
2780
02:45:11.360 --> 02:45:14.680
Yeah, it was that I sold a couple of years ago,
2781
02:45:14.799 --> 02:45:18.879
I think dusty Gauges and down in Dallas Page one year.
2782
02:45:19.879 --> 02:45:21.680
But I mean it was so big and heavy, it
2783
02:45:21.799 --> 02:45:24.959
was it was like wearing an electric blanket. Unless it
2784
02:45:25.040 --> 02:45:27.760
was about thirty below outside. You couldn't merely stand award.
2785
02:45:27.799 --> 02:45:29.760
It's the warm stand out all of my life.
2786
02:45:31.319 --> 02:45:33.639
Well and in that era, you guys are doing great
2787
02:45:33.719 --> 02:45:36.680
business and and you know, I understand like in particular
2788
02:45:36.760 --> 02:45:41.559
for the TV tapings, the uh, the cars in the
2789
02:45:41.639 --> 02:45:44.959
parking lot when everyone showed up, they were pretty spectacular.
2790
02:45:46.440 --> 02:45:49.159
But we were all making big money. And you know,
2791
02:45:49.319 --> 02:45:52.680
in the eighties, big money. If you're making one hundred
2792
02:45:52.680 --> 02:45:54.639
and fifty two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year,
2793
02:45:54.719 --> 02:45:58.239
that was huge money back then. And uh so, yeah,
2794
02:45:58.280 --> 02:46:02.479
I mean Corvettes and Mercedes, Jaguars and Porsches were, you know,
2795
02:46:02.719 --> 02:46:03.959
just just everywhere.
2796
02:46:04.440 --> 02:46:05.040
I mean we were.
2797
02:46:05.319 --> 02:46:07.920
We were in Charlotte before there was any pro sports team,
2798
02:46:08.079 --> 02:46:10.360
so we were the pro sports team and there was
2799
02:46:10.399 --> 02:46:14.040
about two hundred of us here and there was a
2800
02:46:14.079 --> 02:46:14.920
lot of money flowing.
2801
02:46:17.959 --> 02:46:19.840
All right, Magnan, Well, look, we'll see you this weekend
2802
02:46:19.920 --> 02:46:22.840
at the nw A fan Fest. Any words before we
2803
02:46:22.920 --> 02:46:25.440
let you go, Man, just thank you.
2804
02:46:25.719 --> 02:46:29.920
I never ceases to amaze me the impact and the
2805
02:46:30.040 --> 02:46:33.159
great stories the fans have. Look forward to seeing them
2806
02:46:33.200 --> 02:46:37.319
all there. I'm so honored to be inducting Dusty into
2807
02:46:37.360 --> 02:46:40.879
the Hall of Heroes. He would have loved that. He
2808
02:46:41.000 --> 02:46:43.840
had a great passion from the city of Charlotte and
2809
02:46:44.000 --> 02:46:49.600
for the Atlantic Wrestling Organization in this territory. So you know,
2810
02:46:49.719 --> 02:46:52.040
I'm excited about it, look forward to seeing the fans,
2811
02:46:52.440 --> 02:46:54.479
and thank you so much for having me off this morning.
2812
02:46:55.680 --> 02:46:58.000
My pleasure anytime magnum and thank you. And by the way,
2813
02:46:58.319 --> 02:47:02.120
we'll be doing a live show on Wednesday night around
2814
02:47:02.399 --> 02:47:04.239
five thirty, So if you're in the hotel and you
2815
02:47:04.360 --> 02:47:06.000
see a podcast, come on by and just say hi
2816
02:47:06.040 --> 02:47:06.760
for a couple of minutes.
2817
02:47:07.559 --> 02:47:09.520
All right, that's great, you guys have a great day.
2818
02:47:10.360 --> 02:47:13.559
All right, man, there's magnum Ta, the Great magnum Ta,
2819
02:47:13.719 --> 02:47:17.000
Terry Allen joining us on the live cast, and we
2820
02:47:17.319 --> 02:47:21.040
covered a lot from mid Atlantic Crockett, which I guess
2821
02:47:21.159 --> 02:47:24.920
is the same thing, to Watts, to Portland and Florida,
2822
02:47:25.040 --> 02:47:28.280
to WWF and Andre the Giant. But yeah, he's going
2823
02:47:28.319 --> 02:47:30.719
to be at the Hall of Heroes. It's going to
2824
02:47:30.799 --> 02:47:35.719
be uh this weekend and you can come on by
2825
02:47:35.920 --> 02:47:40.639
and see magnum Ta and everybody. Go to NWA Legends
2826
02:47:40.840 --> 02:47:44.559
dot com and again, Britt Wittmyer and I we're going
2827
02:47:44.600 --> 02:47:47.319
to be there this Wednesday. We're gonna do a live
2828
02:47:47.440 --> 02:47:50.680
cast at five thirty, the usual five thirty Eastern time
2829
02:47:50.760 --> 02:47:52.600
for the Pat McNeil Show, because we're going to be
2830
02:47:52.639 --> 02:47:55.680
there for Pats. If you're in the area, if you're
2831
02:47:55.719 --> 02:47:59.399
going to NWA FanFest, come by and say hi. But
2832
02:47:59.479 --> 02:48:03.280
hopefully we'll get some wrestlers on and some wrestling personalities
2833
02:48:03.319 --> 02:48:06.479
whoever they are. We'll see what happens. But it's going
2834
02:48:06.520 --> 02:48:09.360
to be live and engaged and hopefully be a lot
2835
02:48:09.399 --> 02:48:11.440
of fun. But a lot of people are going to
2836
02:48:11.479 --> 02:48:13.479
be there, so be sure and stop by Bruce Mitchell.
2837
02:48:14.040 --> 02:48:15.799
He's going to be there, so I say hi to
2838
02:48:16.520 --> 02:48:20.840
say hi to Bruce and say what's up with with everybody?
2839
02:48:20.920 --> 02:48:23.440
So yeah, n w A legends dot com and you
2840
02:48:23.520 --> 02:48:26.559
can can check it all out book heads. This has
2841
02:48:26.639 --> 02:48:30.840
been fun as always, So I'll see you on Wednesday
2842
02:48:30.879 --> 02:48:33.479
and they again next Saturday. I need to book somebody.
2843
02:48:33.479 --> 02:48:36.159
I haven't had a chance the opportunity, but we'll figure
2844
02:48:36.200 --> 02:48:39.879
something out. Maybe if I'm lucky, I'll find somebody this
2845
02:48:40.040 --> 02:48:43.520
weekend and we can we can make it work. Make
2846
02:48:43.600 --> 02:48:46.440
it work that way, all right, Well, we will see
2847
02:48:46.479 --> 02:48:49.520
you on Wednesday for Pat McNeil, so be sure and
2848
02:48:49.959 --> 02:48:52.959
call in and we will talk to you then.
2849
02:48:55.000 --> 02:48:55.520
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