INTERVIEW CLASSIC: John Piermarini, ex-Creative Team member, takes listeners inside booking meetings with Vince McMahon, Bray angle, more

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where Wadekiller interviews one of Pro Wrestling's newsmakers.
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Ten years ago this week and one of our favorite
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guests of the era, John Pierre Marini, former WWE creative
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team member, joined me to take listeners inside booking meetings
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with Vinzukman. Also some fascinating details on what it's like
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to be a creative writer part of the writing team
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in WWE, including are their expenses covered on the road.
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He also analyzed current events at the time, including the
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bray Wyatt Angle and much more.
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So.
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Let's get to it. This originally live streamed on October
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It is the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast ten years Ago.
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Interview Classic Fourth Saturday, November two, twenty twenty four.
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twenty fourteen. That means it is Interview Friday, and it
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is of course also Halloween. We're gonna have an abbreviated
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show today in terms of the live portion of the program.
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We're gonna be on for about thirty minutes, give or
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take with John Piermarini, a frequent guest of this show
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and x WWE creative team member, and just want to
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bring him on board to talk about some of the
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big events in a very big news week for WWE,
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particularly the latest WWE network numbers and the business side
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of the uh WWE organization right now and what it
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means for their future. We do welcome your phone calls.
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Don't wait to call today, call soon, because as I said,
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we're gonna be only going a half hour or so.
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The number to call is six four, six, seven to one, nine,
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eight to eight. John, welcome back to the live cast.
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Thanks for joining me.
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Today, No problem.
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Howre you doing with good? Are you dressed up yet
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for Halloween?
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Okay, it's only two thirty here in California, so I
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got more hours.
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Do you have a Are you celebrating Halloween in anyway?
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Yeah, We're going to a masquerade party in in Hollywood,
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so it should be fun awesome.
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What do you have? Do you have your You're all
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set though with your outfit and costume and everything.
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All you need is a mask.
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Oh well that's the that's almost too easy, but that works.
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Yeah, all right, Yeah, it's it's you know out here
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you can't It's it's all about your style.
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So they don't want to ruin that to put.
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Ah, yeah, just figure.
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Oh the Hollywood is Illeen.
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What about you? What are you doing?
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Uh?
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Taking my son trick or treating? And I'm uh gonna
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be like Burt I think from Sesame Street. It's kind
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of the go to costume because it consists of a mask,
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that's it.
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And did you dress him up as Batista and skinny
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jeans and tight shirts sunglasses?
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No? But you know, I no idea I should have
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thought of that. He's gonna be Jacob Jake, the Pirate,
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nice Jake from the Neverland Pirates. All right, well cool,
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we have the phone calls lining up again. Sixt four
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six eight is the number when people say number is
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really fast on the radio. So I'll say that's slower again,
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so I'm not hypocrite. Six four six seven two one
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nine eight to eight I can get a line on
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the phone banks you want to talk about current events
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in WWE, John before you get to the business side
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with the network numbers. The finish the hell in a
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Cell pay per view last Sunday with bray Wyatt showing
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up and we had that kind of weird hologram Star
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Wars from the mid seventies type special effects and then
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Gray showed up at the light's route and led to
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the end of the match. What did you think of
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that as a scape hatch for actually doing a clean
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finish in that match and creating a new storyline with
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Dean Ambrose and bray Wyatt.
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You know, I didn't.
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It's not what I would have wanted to do as
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a first option. I think that when you get to
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the end of a story, you got to have a
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clean finish and you can start new the next day.
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But I mean I didn't.
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I didn't hate it.
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I didn't think it was the worst thing.
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I thought it was visually pretty cool. I think it
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would have been a little bit more interesting had you
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not given given away that you knew it was going
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to be bray Wyatt. Maybe you know, use a different
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voice and then have it be Bray. I don't necessarily
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know how it correlates with those vignettes that he was doing,
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but maybe there's more to come.
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But I don't know.
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I mean, I don't think.
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I felt strongly one way or the other, except that
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I would have liked to see I would have preferred
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a clean finish, But I don't know. I think maybe
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Vince doesn't feel that he can afford to have one
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of his very few top guys lose a match, So
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maybe that's what he felt he needed to do. He
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couldn't afford to have either one of those guys lose.
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I disagree and think that that you could have had
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either of them lose and still still be strong the
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next day, But maybe that was his thinking.
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You were on the writing team. For those who are
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new to the show, when I haven't heard you before,
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was it two thousand and nine and two thousand and
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ten or was it two thousand and two thousand nine nine? Yeap?
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When you were there, how much in terms of when
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you were on the writing team, working with other writers,
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contributing your ideas at pitch meetings, at creative meetings, how
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much did finishes come into play in terms of were
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there good vigorous discussions about how to and the matches,
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or was that always kind of left to Vince and
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the producers after storylines and scripts were created for the
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TV shows.
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It depends on if we knew that we wanted to
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start a new I guess let me put it in
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context of Hell and itself. If we knew we were
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going to Ambros and Bray, yeah, it'd be a discussion
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in the match or in pitching the match and going, Okay,
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we're gonna have these two guys go well, we have
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you know, a rule that you know, neither Dean or
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Seth can lose clean, so we need to find a
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way out of it.
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Okay, well, we know we're going to Bray next.
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Why don't we involve Bray. Other than that, it was
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just we knew we were doing Dean versus Seth, and
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we knew we were going to Bray next, but we
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wanted to We wanted to pitch a clean finish in there.
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That would have changed at the production meeting or the
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friday before you know, we're pitching it to Vince in
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his office and he's gone, all right, no, I don't
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want Let's say it was Seth going over no, I
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don't want Dean to lose, so we need to find
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a way out of it. How can we get out
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of it? Okay, well we're going to Bray next. Okay,
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well what can we do with Bray? And then you
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pitch some ideas or maybe he has an idea, or
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maybe nothing gets said until Sunday and you go to
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the production meeting and the guy who's producing the match
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or what even the writer who might speak up or
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vince himself or Kevin or Triple H or another producer
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sounds off and says, hey, what if we did this now?
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In cases of this match, obviously that was planned well
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in advance because of what actually happened. Wasn't just Bray
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popping up. I mean that took probably a couple weeks
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of planning to make sure that props and all that
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had all of that stuff available to do.
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So it was both. You know, a lot of times
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you ask, you know, how things are.
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Handled in the writing meetings. It's never the same for
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every instance. There's a lot of variables that go into it.
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In the case of this one, I think it was
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more they wanted to go that way all along, and
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that's how they that's how they set it up. I
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bet you it probably would have even been the same
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had it been Roman Reigns and Seth, although I probably
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would have seen it more where Roman would have probably
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went over and then you'd have Bray attack him after.
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I think Dean has just taking room and spot in
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everything that you're seeing right now.
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Yeah, short of the commitment to give Dean a clean
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win over Seth, because they're saving Roman Reigns perhaps to
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be the guy who gets that clean win over set exactly.
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And and final question on this and we'll get the
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calls the vincick Man's attitude towards finishes in general as
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during your time there, did you were you surprised or
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or do you kind of remember I don't Epiphany's not
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the word, but just kind of coming to an understanding
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of how vincick Man looked at finishes because different promoters
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and heck, same promoters in different eras look at put
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a premium on we want to do clean finishes a
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lot or as much as we can, and other promoters
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put a premium on we have to protect guys, and
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so let's come up with creative escape patches from having
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to do finishes. Did did you get a sense of
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what vincick Man's philosophy was on that, and was there
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ever debate or kind of any internal discussion trying to
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sway him away from whatever his His general course.
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Was, Oh, man, it's it's you know, if we're if
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we're building a guy, if we're in the middle of building, say,
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going up against the Roman reigns, and it's it's whether
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it's the main event or semi main and Roman Roman.
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over clean, and you know, we'll sit there and go, hey, uh,
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you know we're building RUCEF. You know we have this
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plan for him if you know, you know, we're building
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towards WrestleMania, for this big match or whatever it may be.
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to that when we get to that. Who are we
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building right now? It's Roman, Roman goes over clean. Other
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than that, the way he looks at finishes from my
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time there was more so either uh, they needed to
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be creative or uh. And in that sense, it's and
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that doesn't mean like outside interference that Okay, what's a
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creative way that like a Daniel Bryan would pin brock Lessner.
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I don't think we're gonna go for you know, his
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setup to the his finisher and then it's over. What's
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what's a creative way.
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That we could do it.
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Or it would be just a clean finish.
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I don't remember him ever going we need well, I
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can't say, I never remember. I can't remember a specific
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instance right now where he said we we we have
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to find a way out of this match. There was
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times on raw that we would do that because we
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needed to fill a segment. Whether you know, there was
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times where we had a raw with the with the
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volcano in in the other country and we didn't have
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a lot of talent because we couldn't get the raw
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roster over. So we've got to make matches that are compelling.
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And you know, we can't affect long term booking because well,
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we did a lot, but we can't in our mindset
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is we can't affect long term booking, but we need
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to fill out two hours of raw, So maybe we
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have to do Edge versus Undertaker, Okay, Well, and I
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don't know if that was booked that night.
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I doubt it.
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But okay, well, how do we get out of it? Okay, well,
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why don't we just utilize nextus there here?
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Okay, there we go.
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We're out of it.
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But it's again with with with the last question. It's
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different in every instance. It just really depends on what two.
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Guys are in the ring.
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I just that made me think of a scenaria I'd
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love to see play out for three four weeks of TV,
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which is Triple H. Stephanie Caine, Randy Orton, seth Rollins,
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Dean Ambrose, and John Cena are stranded at an airport
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somewhere and cannot be on Raw for four straight weeks.
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On that fifth week if they if vinsok managerribleation, the
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whole team were forced to book three hours of Raw
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by actually portraying other wrestlers as main event worth talent
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because they'd be desperate. They'd have to they'd have to
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stop looking at all the negatives and drawbacks, and they
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haven't earned it. And he looked at me the wrong way,
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and he didn't. He sneezed in Vince's presence, and he
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fell asleep when he wasn't supposed to when he yawned
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when I was talking to him. Once, get rid of
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all those excuses and just push knew this whole group
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of eight or ten guys in the mid card. As
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these guys are made event worthy and put the machine
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behind it, they'd be so much deeper on that fifth
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week that they wouldn't have to overexpose. These top guys
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just incestuously fighting each other so much that by the
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time the paper who comes around, you're kind of like, geah,
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I've seen those guys against each other already. I don't
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really need to get the network. And that's my John.
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Would you have enjoyed that challenge back in the day,
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And I mean it's just been the case this last
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month where it's the same top couple guys against the
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same top few guys over and over. That seems to
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me like that'd be kind of a fun challenge for
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the writing team. Not when Vince mcdd would necessarily invite,
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but I think he'd be better off for it. After
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a month.
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I knew who I knew, the guys that we had
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at the time that were main event guys, but I
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never concentrate on pitching stories for them. I mean I
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got excited when we were building Shamus to go after
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Sena because it was a fresh guy going after him,
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and that's when I would try to get really involved
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in coming up with creative scenarios and stories for for
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that match. But you know, if it was, Hey, we're
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gonna book Triple A versus John Cena, I mean, to
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be perfectly honest, I was more interested in going, how
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can I build miss to get to the point that
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he can wrestle John Cena?
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So that so I would have loved that.
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I mean that was that was.
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A scenario that I would have loved to be part
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of where we didn't have the restrictions of going, why
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would you pitch you know, the Hussos versus who another
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tag team in the main event. Well, now you'd be
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forced to do that, and I think it'd be a
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fresh show. Honestly, what I think would happen if your
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scenario played out is I think you'd get more of
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you know, replay segments, or you'd get segments of like
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the main event being say Russev not even wrestling, but
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being in a promo segment with Hull Cogan. I think
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that they'd pull some of these legends to come interact
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with the second tier of guys to make segments more
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than they'd say.
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I guess.
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I guess it's, you know, Zach Ryder versus another mid
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card guy.
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In the main event.
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And yeah, I think it wouldn't be so bad to
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do that and have these mid card guys interact with
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the legends. But I don't think that they'd go well
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time to make somebody new. I think they'd take the
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guys that they trust and they like and put them
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in segments with people that they feel still matter. But
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then you've got, you know, the way that they utilize
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Hule Cogan. Now, I mean, I don't even know why
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anyone would get excited when he shows up. And I'm
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the biggest Hule Cogan fan. When you announce that he's
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going to show up, instantly I go, he's going to
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come out and he's going to cut a promo on
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the network or on the cancer thing that they're doing,
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and that's all he's going to do. That there's no
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excitement about him showing up. And you've now taken that
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excitement away from the name hul Cogan because you've done
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that so many times.
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Yeah, I would like to see if there if they
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got backed into a corner though having to protect and
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book for four straight weeks. Dollziegler, Czarro, Seamus jack Swager,
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Kolpie Kingston and Rye Back just in the roos in
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like and actually try to spend two and a half
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hours convincing us that they are worth staying tuned four
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to watch the main to watch the main event. And
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if that meant, hey, Steve Austin and Sean Michaels, we
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need you to come in and Bookert. We want you
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to do an angle. And Jerry Lawler, we're gonna use
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you for more than just phoning it in on commentary
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and sleepwalking through it, because you're good enough to just
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you know, be disengaged and walk through it. But let's
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use Jerry in a different whatever like if they did
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that to try to interject some names to try to
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boost everybody up again. I just would find that version
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of Raw more fun to watch than getting burned out
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on the main event by the time the main event
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comes around. I'm with you hundred percent on Hogan coming
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out there. I got such a kick out of or
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I shouldn't they kick out of it. I don't know
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how to scrape Hogan coming out there, And after Randy
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Orton essentially turns babyface by beating up seth Hogan comes
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out there and talks about that no good dirty Randy Orton.
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I was like, Helk, you gotta watch the show if
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you're gonna be on it, or don't comment on what
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you know, don't comment on the talent. But anyway, yeah, pretty.
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Sure Hogan is probably pretty scripted going out there.
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I yes, I don't know that that that was ad libbed.
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I think that he was probably told to say that.
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But that would shock because it's full Cogan.
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But that would shock me to have a writer work
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with Hogan and go, yeah, Randy just got a baby
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face pop by pop and seth rawlins and now I
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want you to go out there and talk and use
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that word you know, no good dirty Randy Orton or
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whatever the exact wording was. It's just to me that
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felt like Hogan improvising. And ten years ago, and this
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is going up for VIP members this week. Ten years ago,
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Bruce Mitchell and I on a ten years ago VIP
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raw at Madison Square Garden with comments that I'm not
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even add percent comfortable repeating on this show about what
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he did to virgins in his day, and and Vince
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threw a fit. Behind the scenes. There are a bunch
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So my point is, legends don't always stick to script.
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And I could see Hogan just thinking Randy's been a
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heel for years, so I'm just gonna, you know, wing
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it and sound natural, and and then he, you know,
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gets backstage and it's like, oops, sorry, you know, kind
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I know the I don't know the how lax they
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are right now on words for word, but I can
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tell you if he was if he was going out
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there in nine and ten, he he wouldn't be ad
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living yeah.
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Yeah, well he might be in trouble then. I just
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know Flair was in big trouble for that. But by
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This is Brian Collins from Minneapolis or Bloomington. Brian said you,
483
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it is me.
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I'm calling from Bloomington. I'm getting ready for some triper treats.
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Excellent at home today is getting ready for the youngsters.
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Now are you giving away? What are you giving away
487
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to the kids?
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I'm getting away Reese's Pieces, Sniggers, kit cats, em and
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M's starboards.
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That's think that's some pretty good. That's a pretty good selection. Yeah.
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I like to hand them out depending on the quality
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of costume.
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And the yes, you know, in the age. Like, if
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you got the sixteen year olds, you know, showing up
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in a group just wanting to get a bunch of
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free candy, you're kind of like, all right, you know,
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here's here's the here's the the uh gobstopper, hard candy
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and a clear wrapper. And then you get the cute
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kids and you give them five items.
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That reminds me of why I got to give some
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Almond Joys for those youngsters or teenagers to get Almond Joys.
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Or something like that.
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Yeah, yeah, all right, So what do you got wrestling
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by for us today?
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Ryan?
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Uh?
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You guys are talking about hulkvid and that brings me
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to the conversation I want to get to real quick,
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and that is the year that Hulk Hogan's equity is
510
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used up and is not as strong as it is sometimes.
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And that makes me think about brands like Nike, which
512
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has used someone like Michael Jordan, which a lot.
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Of people compare hul Kogan to.
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And you look at the longevity they've been able to
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build with his brand, and I kind of think WW
516
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should try and aim for something like that, not like
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Hulkogan needs another Potsumania or a store, but something that
518
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they can invest in and can get a return from
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his years of wrestling and what they always talk about
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and try and sell us time. But my question for
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you guys is about Luca Underground, which I got a
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chance to see, and I'm like, my question for you
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guys is do you think there's a chance Because WW
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is cutting costs in so many ways from pyrotechnics and stuff,
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there's these new companies starting to jump up, like Lucha Underground.
526
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He's kind of reinventing the wheel. Is there a possibility
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they could force WW or themselves that company could jump
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ahead in the professional wrestling world and become seen as
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the top company. Maybe not in terms of money, but
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in terms of notoriety and popularity for fans.
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John, go go ahead and take that one, will it, sir?
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Pat?
533
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:10.960
WWE is number one? Is that the question?
534
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:17.119
Well, maybe not as number one in terms of fans perspective.
535
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What fans really like and enjoy from that friend if
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they're able to I really like just for example, and
537
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then I'll let you guys take it from me. I
538
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know it's the short show, but the camera angles and
539
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:28.279
the way they presented storylines was a new and fresh take,
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00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:31.119
not like I love or dug everything. But it's something
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that I could see developing. This something that is really
542
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nice and new and that could really draw and wrestling
543
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:38.079
fans that have been watching it and new people who
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have not been watching it. Thanks guy, God, it's a
545
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:41.440
great show. Happy Alloween.
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Thanks Brian, appreciate it. Happy hother one to you.
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Yeah.
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I think if it all comes down to if Vince
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watches the show, and if he does, if he likes
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what he sees, it could also be Kevin Dune. I mean,
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if Kevin Dunn watched it, which is extremely doubtful and
552
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:02.559
likes you know, some of the camera angles and and
553
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pitches it to Vince. I mean, he can pitch it
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to Vince and Vince has no idea it's even coming
555
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from that show, and uh, and he likes it and
556
00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:11.880
they use it. But I don't I don't think that
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there will be whether it's Lucha Underground TNA uh, or
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that there's a promotion out there that's gonna revolutionize the
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way that wrestling is done, because I don't think that'll
560
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ever be on a level that Vince McMahon will feel
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like it's better than what he's already doing and for
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it to get to that point. They've got to be
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w c W at the point of beating Vince McCann
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in his own game and Vince going I'm doing something wrong.
565
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They're doing something right.
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What is it?
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How can I how.
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Can I jump on that? So I don't.
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I don't think I didn't watch Lucha the Ground, but
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I don't think that there was anything that groundbreaking done
571
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that it's going to change wrestling. I mean, I've always
572
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been a big fan, and I think I even talked
573
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to you at one point off air, Wade about an
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idea of kind of doing wrestling but as a story,
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almost like a scripted television show with wrestling on it,
576
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but there's it's more about the story surrounding the promotion
577
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and the people involved, and then the matches are just
578
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:37.519
a piece of that. So, while I haven't seen the show,
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I'm intrigued.
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If that's what it is, it's pretty close to watch it.
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Yeah, I mean, it's it's heads in that direction. I'm
582
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sure your vision is different in the particulars and the scope,
583
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:49.960
but that aspect is definitely part of this, and I
584
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:51.759
think it'd be good for you to watch it and
585
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:53.200
come on the show and talk about it because I'd
586
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be curious your take on it, given your idea. Yeah,
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longing for.
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Some nostalgia or maybe you want to learn some wrestling history,
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don't miss the Nineties Pass cast every Friday on the
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PW Torch Daily Cast Feed. Alex and Patrick will transport
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you thirty years into the past by taking you through
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the Torch issue from that very week. Follow news from
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the WWF and WCW and all the happenings from across
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it thirty years ago. That's the Nineties Pass cast every
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Friday on the PW Torch Daily Cast Feed.
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I was gonna say something about it, Oh yeah, you know,
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like even looking at old nitros, you know when they
599
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went on the network. Sure a lot of people looked
600
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at that and they were just like, oh wow, there's
601
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a different way to present wrestling. And not that it's revolutionary,
602
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.279
but it's just everything was just a little bit different.
603
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And the choice of the camera place and on Lucha
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Underground they had the overhead camera. The announcers were filmed
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from kind of almost like two feet off the ground
606
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with a camera aiming up and it was a zoom
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lens and then there was a camera just aimed at
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ringside in a different way, and it just it just
609
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caused you to kind of pay more attention because it's like,
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just hold up a mirror, like you know, a hand mirror.
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Hold it up and look at your living room. You'll
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00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:25.920
probably be appalled because it'll look way too cluttered. And
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and you were like, oh my god, this is what
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people see when they walk in the room, but you
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don't notice it when you walk. And that's where I
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just that was a tip of real estate agent said
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many many years ago, and it's stuck with me. Look
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at your house in the mirror, because that's how you
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that's how you will see your room for the first
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time again. And that's how people coming to your house,
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whether their guests or you're selling your house, will see it.
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And that's kind of how I think about when I
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watchoch Underground or Nitral. It causes me to look at
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things differently, and so I like when there's a kind
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of a new spin on things. And you know, and
626
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:55.440
obviously Robert Rodriguez is you know, coming to with a
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cinematography resume. That is it's intriguing to see someone with
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his resume, come in and show up and try to
629
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:05.559
along with Mark Burnett and try to reinterpret how to
630
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:07.759
present wrestling. So it's fun in that respect, but like
631
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:11.119
Brian said, it's not a perfect, finished, polished version of
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I think what they eventually will be if they stick
633
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:14.559
around for a while. All Right, I want to get
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another call in here. Let's go to Louis from Louis
635
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:21.400
from New Jersey vfpmember calling from the picktill nine. I'm
636
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.759
here to get feedback, So get back, all right, I'm
637
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:28.119
gonna push put you on mute and uh you turned
638
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.240
down the volume and in three seconds I'm coming back
639
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:33.119
to you. Okay, three, two one. Let's see if that worked.
640
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:34.480
All right, you're on the show.
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Yes, it did.
642
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You figure out until I heard that you called me.
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Up, of course.
644
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:42.799
All right, So I got three questions and I'm I'm
645
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:45.200
just gonna ask them all I want. Yeah, I'm not
646
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that loaded there, all right, Okay, now check it out.
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The first question that I have is, you know, the
648
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:53.920
quarterly financials just came out, John, So my thing, my
649
00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:56.440
question is, I just want to know after a big loss,
650
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like you know, I just big general lost like that.
651
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I just want to know how how much on the
652
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:03.640
creative team that you guys actually felt the heat for that,
653
00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:05.920
And like, what are some of the normal first steps
654
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Stevin sick Man which try to implement once you know
655
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:11.880
he received the big loss like that number two? You know,
656
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:14.119
I mean we've seen the return of Bray Wyatt, and
657
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.079
I remember you said that you were into the whole
658
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:19.599
Wiat family. But now that they're broken up since Luke
659
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Harper and you know, Eric Rowland did not come back yet,
660
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what will you know? Would you what kind of like
661
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:28.680
fantasy booking would you want to do for those two
662
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:30.680
since you were big on them, because I think it's
663
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:33.279
well in my personal opinion, I think Luke Harper's a
664
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lot more talented and I really want to see that
665
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guy get pushed to the move. So I just want
666
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to know your opinion on your fantasy booking ideas. And last,
667
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:44.920
but not least, I know a little bit about the
668
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:48.960
travel schedule in WWE about but I don't know a
669
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:53.359
lot about the specifics literally like are you required to
670
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:55.599
are you only a lot of certain amount of flight?
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And then all of a sudden, you guys get you
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know you have to use your free the flyer miles,
673
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:04.759
Like how do the ticket and all whole flight thing?
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00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.599
How does that actually work? Like literally like you get
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like a envelope in the mail, so you know if
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you can go over that all those three things.
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Cool. I jotted notes and we'll let John get right
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to them or just low on time here, So I'm
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gonna scood along here, go ahead, John, take him in
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any order, and if you forget one, I'll remind you.
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00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:24.480
Okay, I'll say this.
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I don't know if he has Twitter, but follow me
683
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at John as himself, John as himself, and I would
684
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:34.639
need like some time to even just think about what
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I would do with Luke Carper and Eric Rowan and Bray.
686
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So follow me, send me a send me a tweet.
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We'll talk back and forth. I'll think of something. I'll
688
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pitch something to you. See what you think, because to
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do it now, it'd probably take more than thirty seconds
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to give you something. The travel schedule, yeah, we would
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get an email maybe once a week that would that
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would tell us our it for at least that upcoming week.
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I think we had travel maybe two to three weeks,
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maybe longer in advance already books we never paid for
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a flight. It was all taken care of. The Only
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thing that we would do on our end is I
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always wanted to try to get either an exit row
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or the front row, so as soon as we got it,
699
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I would go on and change that. But other than that,
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they picked everything. We would request delta, mostly because we
701
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:32.559
wanted to get the frequent flyer, but literally we'd get
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the itinerary, and if there was a problem where we
703
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:41.519
missed a flight or our connection was late, I'm sorry
704
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:43.719
we were late. To get our connection, we would call
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the travel department. They would just book us flights. They'd
706
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have our names, they'd book us backup flights, and we'd
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go do that.
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So it was it was all.
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It was like having a twenty four hour travel agent.
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I never once bought my own ticket to a destination,
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nor did I ever buy a hotel room.
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Or a rental car. It was all taken care of
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the meal.
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But meals were taken care of up to a certain
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00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:12.280
amount as long as we kept the receipts. I think
716
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there's even what a famous like Paul Hayman's story about
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like giving receipts right, yes.
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Twenty years ago audio, yes, yeah, there you go, And
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so Yeah, what was your how much could you spend
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out a meal before you're like, oh crap, that's coming
721
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out of my pocket.
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Gosh.
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I think I think it was like like twenty dollars
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for breakfast in like twenty for lunch, and then like
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maybe like forty for dinner.
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You can do pretty well with that in most.
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Never, I never spent a dime on the road.
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Yeah, did you always like look for something to max
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out your allotment, your your stipend?
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Well, it's tough to do when you're on the road
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at you know, sometimes twelve eleven or twelve one, two
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o'clock in the morning. I mean you're getting McDonald's majority
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of the time.
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Yeah.
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Or it was so weird and there was like this
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me and Ryan Ward, we would always he's the he
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was like the writer's assistant on Raw and then now
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I think he's the NXT writer. But we just could
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never understand. We'd be on this on like the bus
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going from one city to the next, and we'd passed
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by places like not the greatest but fast food places
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that we could stop and eat, and for some reason,
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every other writer wanted to stop at the gas station
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and get food from like the gas station. We could
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never understand why they would.
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Want to eat there.
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I mean there were so many times I got like
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subways from gas stations that I just I almost couldn't
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eat it just because I was kidding them from gas
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stations at three o'clock in the morning. So it's even
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thinking about it now, so you don't eat properly. And
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but like you, I would wake up and then go
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down to like the hotel restaurant and get breakfast, and
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then lunch typically you didn't have to get because we
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were at the arena, so we would get catering. Oh sure, yeah,
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and then dinner was mostly yeah, like you're picking up
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like microwave burrito from the gas station because that's where
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everyone voted to go, or you're getting you know, McDonald's,
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or like, o oh man, what was big out there?
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What's like the competition to In and Out but on
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the East coast?
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Oh?
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Yeahs about it, Bob is it's not an an out burger?
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No, there's only in and Out in California, and I
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think there's one in Arizona now and one in Vegas,
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but I can't remember. People that listen, they know that
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was so overrated. But we would go there sometimes. Oh,
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Steak and Shake was another place there was. I think
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even if I don't know if it's like out on
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the internet, but like there was. I remember hearing the
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story that, like vinc Or Mann, at one point they
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were driving in the limo and he wanted to get
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Steak and Shake or whoever was with him wanted to
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get steak and and he went in there and he
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asked for a stake, and it's basically like a cheeseburger place. Yeah,
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he couldn't he couldn't comprehend why they wouldn't serve him.
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Mistake.
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That's the beginning and ending of that.
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Well, he's got a point, he's got a point.
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I agree.
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And yeah, I think that's that's that's it for the travel.
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The first question was what, like do you take heat
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when the financials come out and there's money losses?
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You know, I never I was never in a meeting
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and you know, maybe Brian gowertz By himself or Michael
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Hayes was, but I was never in a meeting where
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financials and creative were discussed as a connection. But I
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was in meetings where if we knew pay per view
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boat buys were low or financials were low. Yes, there
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would be creative meetings without the financials discussed about what are.
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We going to do?
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And that you know that lead to like another plug
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on the on the all Star PW Torch thing for
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your website. Someone had asked, hey, why don't you have
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like why don't they do random mid carters in the
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main event. Well, one of the meetings that we had,
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Vince brought the entire creative staff into his office and
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we sat down and he goes, all right, and he
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just wanted people to just pitch stuff and go we
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need something different, we need something fresh.
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Just let's hear it.
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And I remember saying, you know, we're going four months
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here on Sina versus Batista, or might have been Sena
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orton one of those two combinations, and I said, why
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don't we mix it up and have it be you know, randomly,
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you have Cody Rhodes challenging Sena.
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Randomly you have miss and.
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We set these guys up to be in a strong
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position to do that and then to make it work.
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If there is a guy ready, you have Miz beat
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John Cena for the WWE title. And whether you have
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them hold it for six months or you have them
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drop it back to Sena at the right time, but
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at least now you've gotten credibility to these mid carters
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where you can't just say, oh, this week, this month,
830
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it's our truth challenging John Tena. I'm not ordering that
831
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one because I know he's not gonna win. Well, now
832
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you're going, I don't know, our truth might win. So
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that was one of the one of the things that
834
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I pitched in a meeting, like I think another one
835
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in that meeting was like, why don't we why don't
836
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we have managers anymore? And I think Vince's thing at
837
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that time was He's okay with managers as long as
838
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:17.559
is it's not the managers, as long as it's the
839
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managers getting the talent over and not managers trying to
840
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get themselves over.
841
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So he was open to ideas.
842
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That's typically what I experienced when when stuff like that happened.
843
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I don't know if it's always like that before me
844
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and after me, but I would assume it's probably the
845
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same thing. I mean, I would think right now that
846
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there's no way that Vince is putting on literally the
847
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same main event for four or five weeks in a
848
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:44.159
row on RAW that he's been doing and going this
849
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:47.199
is great. I just think that he hasn't found something
850
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:49.880
else for him to be able to put on there,
851
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which is the same thing I dealt with when I
852
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:54.679
was there. We were losing the top guys, Triple Ah,
853
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:59.119
Shawn Michaels, Batista, Chris Jericho, they were all leaving, and
854
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:00.960
I kept saying, why are we not building guys to
855
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:04.119
take these guys spots. Well, now he's seeing that we've
856
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:07.519
got three hours and we haven't built anybody to fill
857
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:08.519
in these main events.
858
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:11.039
Bucks. It's just I don't know what it is.
859
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:13.599
I mean, even when I was there, I wanted the
860
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:17.360
Intercontinental title to be the main title defended on Raw,
861
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:20.880
in the main event every week, and then you didn't
862
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:24.239
have to have John Cena in a main event to
863
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:26.280
feel like you had a good show.
864
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:29.599
Why did that not happen?
865
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:30.800
Simplest? I don't know.
866
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:33.960
I never got an answer that it's it's literally the
867
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:37.639
simplest solution to what they can be doing. Elevate and
868
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:39.800
if if you don't believe in Dulfziga, put it on
869
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:42.639
somebody that you believe in, put it on Russ and
870
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:45.320
then you have rucev defend that every week, and he
871
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:50.239
goes through everybody. And then if it's building to John Cena,
872
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:53.000
if it's building to even if it's building to a
873
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:56.119
guy that we don't even know yet, that guy's going
874
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:58.840
to be such a bigger star in an instant main
875
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.599
eventor and Bruce, then when he moves on to go
876
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:06.320
challenge Seina Brock the top names, he's already seen as
877
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:10.599
the main event guy and a destroyer of maybe not
878
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:14.800
the A team, but a main event guys, which is
879
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:17.320
what more of the audience sees is raw than they
880
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:19.880
see the pay per views. So I don't know, there's
881
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:23.639
so many simple solutions. I sometimes you don't get answers,
882
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:25.280
so you don't know why he doesn't go with it.
883
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:27.000
And I think that's one of the top things I
884
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:30.000
could do right now as a boost to WWE network
885
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:33.760
and those numbers is make those pay per views more special.
886
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:35.840
And the way to do that it's easy to say, oh,
887
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:37.239
just come up with Stone Cold the Rock and a
888
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.639
new HAWLK Cogan. That's not something that they have the
889
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:41.159
power to do. But what you just said they have
890
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:43.719
the power to do, which is move the IC title,
891
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:46.840
and like I suggested earlier, just force yourself to push
892
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:50.400
the mid carters in a main event protected way and
893
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:52.239
just hope for the best. But that's the action you
894
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:54.559
can take. And then feature the pay per view main
895
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:57.840
event guys, the world champion, the top contender. Don't have
896
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:01.519
them wrestle each other ever on TI or rarely, so
897
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:04.920
that the only way to see that is by spending
898
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:07.000
nine ninety nine for the pay per view on the
899
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:09.519
network and make it a more scarce commodity. See top
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00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:11.239
guys against each other. I just to me on my
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00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:13.360
list of things that are hurting the network. I mean,
902
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:15.320
I gotta you know. We all have our list things
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00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.400
we do differently marketing or content wise. Number one, stop
904
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:21.719
make pay per view the top two matches on pay
905
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:24.840
per views between wrestlers that we haven't seen fight each
906
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:26.760
other on raw, and we haven't seen fight every week
907
00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:28.960
on raw period. I think that's the best way to
908
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:30.599
make those pay per view seem more special again. And
909
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:32.239
then people go, oh, now I know what I'm paying
910
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:34.679
ten dollars for. It's to see John Cena wrestle, not
911
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:36.559
see Johnsena wrestle for the third time.
912
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:39.960
This week against the guy he's spent four weeks in
913
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the ring.
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With exactly John. Thank you, I got to run. We
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appreciate everybody joining us today. It's a shorter show than usual.
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It shouldn't hurt our average too much since we're usually
917
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.000
go very long. If you want to hear more analysis
918
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:57.639
on the WWE financials, James Calder did a great job
919
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:01.199
on pw torch dot com this week. Bring the financials
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00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:03.440
the conference call. What vinsic Man and George Barrios had
921
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to say what the what the key points were and
922
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:08.760
the releases and putting it all in perspective. I did
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one hour with Bruce Mitchell, the Towards senior columnist since
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nineteen ninety and his and by the way, we're gonna
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be putting up the first ever official Bruce Mitchell audio
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show from October two thousand and four. Later just coming
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up in the next few days for VIP members. Also
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the first ever official Bruce Mitchell audio show. The whole
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thing began ten years ago where every weekend Bruce and
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I talk about top events and that first one to
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vote for VFP members this week some fun topics in
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that one, but the current one that I record with
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Bruce yesterday went in depth on the WWW network numbers, solutions, ideas,
934
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:46.920
what wwwe can do to get momentum going on the
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network and their financials. Plus Mi Keller Hotline went over
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the numbers, put them in perspective and all that for
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I know, thirty six or thirty eight minutes yesterday also,
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so we've had a cover from so many places. But
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if you're not a VIP member, you can listened to
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yesterday's Live Castle James and Greg and if you are
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in addition to that, you can hear Bruce and Me
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with individual updates. Since those numbers came out. John Primerini
943
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has been my guest. John, anything you want to plug,
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any new projects people should look for.
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You know, I do want to say that some of
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your listeners might be interested in is.
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Check me out on the Jail Sun and podcast. You
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are welcome on podcast one. On there, towards the end
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of the show, he teases a very interesting story involving
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Vince McMahon that he doesn't quite reveal but teases you
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with and we will reconnect back together very shortly and
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reveal that story.
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Very cool. So podcast one and you're on it with
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jail Yes, yeah cool. So check that out. Everybody, Happy Halloween.
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Be generous with the kids who dress up well, and
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don't give the good stuff to the fifteen year old
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kids who threw on a cowboy hat. You know that's
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a hollow. Anyway. Thanks John, good to talk to you,
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and we'll hopefully touch base soon. Yep. Cool. Thanks all
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