INTERVIEW CLASSIC: Hernandez provides amazing insights into frustration with how TNA operated, his odd way of being released, more

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where Wade Killer interviews one of pro Wrestling's newsmakers.
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Ten years ago, I interviewed Hernandez Sean Hernandez from TNA Wrestling,
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who provided amazing insights on his eight years in TNA,
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including a lot of frustration he spent the years twenty
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six through twenty fourteen in TNA. He provides a lot
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of backstage stories, his odd and disheartening way of being
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released after eight years with the company, and much more
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with live callers and emails in the mix. This originally
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live streamed on August first, twenty fourteen, and it is
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today's wad Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast Interview Classic for Saturday,
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August third, twenty twenty.
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August first, twenty fourteen, and I am pleased to introduce
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and announce that today's guest is Sean Hernandez known as
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Hernandez simply and super Max in TNA. Sean, are you
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there with us?
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I'm great, man. How are you guys doing over there?
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I'm doing great. I really appreciate you taking time to
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be on the show today. Not a problem if anybody
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wants to join us here on the program and has
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a question about UH, TNA and it's past, its future,
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it's tenuous present, and obviously Hernandez his career in TNA
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dating back to two thousand and three until until just
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sort of recently, which which we'll get into.
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UH.
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The phone number to call us is six four six
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seven two one nine A two eight. That's six four
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six seven two one nine A two weight. You can
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also email us a question UH during the show, and
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the email address is Pete W. Torch Live Cast at
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gmail dot com. That's the name of the show. P
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W Torch Live Cast at gmail dot com is the
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way to reach us. Sean. Let's let's begin, UH with
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a little bit of background on how you got into wrestling,
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and then of course we'll talk about your recent departure
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from TNA, because I know you've been outspoken on that
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and have some things to say about it. But how
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what is your How did you transition from it was
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Arena League football right into professional wrestling.
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Well, I was gonna real football, the Texas Tear, the
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Houston Tender Barons the first UH you team here in Houston,
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and they weren't paying very well.
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You.
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Uh yeah, based offer to uh powerlifting, but you know
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power lifting you win trophies. You don't when Funny and
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I had had a challenge the time too.
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And so how did you end up? Yeah, how'd you
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end up transitioning thinking of pro wrestling as the option?
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What led you that direction?
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Well?
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I always I've always wanted to get into It is
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just that, uh, you know, my parents stressed college and
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you know, so you know, the parents helped you. You know,
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even though I had a football scholarship and stuff in college.
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You know, if you want to make parents happy and
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get some extra you know, uh allowance, some money while
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you're going to school, you're going to do what they say. Yeah,
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so I waited till after my career was over in
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football before I started doing wrestling.
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And had you had you grown up a fan of
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wrestling most definitely?
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You know.
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I mean, you know, my my father was a Green
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Beret for thirty years, and so I lived all across
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the country and I've got to see a w a
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tow uh Georgian Championship Wrestlings and Von Erics been my favorite.
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You know what growing up was Paul Boston's here in
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Houston wrestling.
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Oh wow, cool? What now? Now? What what era? I
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grew up watching a w as I'm kind of curious
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and we're not that far apart in age. Uh, both
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of my kids in the early seventies. What what a
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w E era? Were you able to watch some of Uh?
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It's it's very you know, I was really young. It
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was like missing link was was that?
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Was?
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That was play? You know the guy? I remember the
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motion there and that, you know, the Crusher he was awesome.
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This this is promos alone made me laugh.
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Oh Crusher was great. Yeah, huge, huge baby face attraction
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through the whole a w A territory. Did you have
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a Do you have a memory of a first wrestling
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event at Lieutenant in person?
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Uh?
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Well, when I was instant, my parents, you know, my
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dad was based for Bragg and they would go to
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the wrestling matches there in North Carolina and my mom
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was holding me. I was, you know, maybe six eight
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months old, and son both Patterson juice all over me.
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Oh no, that's a different era.
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It freaked my mom. It freaked my mom out really bad.
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So that's probably one of the reasons why she didn't
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let me do less.
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Wow.
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Yeah, you don't see a lot of wrestlers bleeding all
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over all over kids these days.
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No not what you know what happens HIV A warewells going.
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Just yeah yeah, and just grossing kids, you know, grossing
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parents out who don't bring their kids back too. Yeah,
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very good. So you you end up transitioning into wrestling.
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You went to the the was it the Texas Wrestling Academy?
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Uh no, Actually that's a misconception. I actually get trained
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here in Houston by because both Taylor and Chaz from
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Global Wrestling.
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Oh okay, yep, yeah that's right. So uh yeah, that's
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right Chas from Global Wrestling. I remember him, yea bringing
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back memories. So how long did you train in under
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what circumstances did you approach them about training?
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Like?
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You know, because a lot of people when we have
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wrestlers on sometimes we get callers who ask how to
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get into wrestling, what to look for, what to ask for?
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What was the process that you went through, and what
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kind of Uh looking back on it, you think that
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you handled it, handled it well and that you were trained,
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uh in a in a good in a good way.
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Well, I mean, you know, I lucked out, I was
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going I was walking out the gym, I just, you know,
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decided I can afford to be a wing a football
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player anymore because I was making five hundred a game,
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not a week, but a game, and there was fourteen
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games in twenty two weeks, so that it had up.
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And I was walking out the gym and uh, I
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see this big fat slob dude, four hundred pounds, this
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incline in four or five like it was a toy,
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and I was just measuralized. I looked at him and
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it was you know Botler. Oh yeah, and uh, you know,
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me and my partner at the time, we were doing
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drug free power lefting and your this squad and ridiculous
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amount of weight, and he came and talked to me
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and just that joint, you know, come by and school
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check it out, and that's a restaurant. That's his history
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after that.
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And when you went to the training school, what what
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did you expect? Or maybe a better way to put
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it is, how was training to become a professional wrestler
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different than you had anticipated from being a fan and
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around gyms When you actually had to get in the
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ring and start to learn how to bump and how
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to work magic is what what surprised you the most?
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What what was not part of your expectations?
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But I wanted to leave actually the first thirty minutes.
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You know, you're paying me a little five hundred down
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and all that, and you know, you you know you
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expect I mean, what you envisioned and what you actually
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get are two different things. You know. I got an
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u undentilated training facility, and I was the third smallest
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guy on the on the training roster.
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Wow.
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And then I was tune ninety five.
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Wow.
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And it was crazy. That's where I got out of
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my athletics from. Because what else you're gonna do to
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you know, four hundred pound guys? Yeah, and it was gooling.
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I mean, I mean I remember going there and uh,
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after you get your little basics done to his satisfaction
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to the sun fattisaction, didn't you Okay, well we're gonna
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do today. Oh well, learn how to sell? And then
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there's eight guys that are three hundred pfty pounds are bigger,
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just throwing around.
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Yeah, you know, it just seems you're gonna quit and see,
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you know, kind of like a little caster Hayes. But
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you know, after a while, when I realized that you're
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about you know, thing with it. You know, they let
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up a little bit, but still a huge eye opener.
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So you thought, yeah, I mean I've heard that before too.
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You thought of literally quitting after about thirty minutes being
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tossed around by guys bigger than you, which is something
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at your size you're not even used to being around.
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I guess in the arena league there might have been
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some people bigger than you or around your size. Oh yeah,
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but what it ended up he ended up getting past
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that and it clicked with you. How long did you
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How long did you go through a formal training process at.
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That point.
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Pretty much for I guess about a year and a
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half because I mean in two and a half years
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coming training with Tug, I only had six matches, So
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it wasn't it wasn't very I think it's a wrestle.
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I mean he didn't put me up there now where
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what I wasn't ready? Like how like some of these
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guys do?
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Yeah, and and so what was what were your expectations
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and aspirations as you're you're training to be a wrestler. It's, uh,
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you know you're looking around at the wrestling scene. It's
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it's you know, kind of the end of the attitude era.
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What did you imagine for yourself? And how quickly did
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you anticipate getting there?
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Did you?
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In other words, some wrestles going to wrestling going well,
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this probably won't work out, but I'll give it a shot.
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Other people go in going I'm going to be the
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next Stone Cold Steve Austin, like kind of where did
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you fall on that scale in the back in two
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thousand and one?
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Oh, real quickly, I want to be the next stone
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Cold or Rock or Hook or whatever. But then reality
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sets in when you're busting your butt and maybe wrestling
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in front of thirty forty people. Maybe I just want
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to make enough money to pay off the train that
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I paid for.
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Yeah, yeah, and I mean that honestly.
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So the first year, that's all I thought about, saying,
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if I could just make that twenty five hundred back,
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I'm good. Yeah, And luckily things started clicking. You'll, you
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start wrestling different places, and you know, certain guys start
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taking out of the wing, learn different styles. I got them,
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you know, for the past tenures have been mesmerized by
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the Lucha liber style.
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I'm just I'm still hooked.
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the Lucha liber style, if you look at the larger
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guys in Lucha liber who are more the exception of
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the rule and you know, the power guys, or do
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you go, hey, I want to be a massive guy
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who does Luca moves is kind of what stands out.
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More of the latter, because I mean there's you know,
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most of the bigger guys in uh Luca don't move
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work very well.
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give give the fans the new version of the of
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the Latin of the Latin Luca big.
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Guys, and you certainly, I mean that was what TNA,
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you know, really pushed for you. The running dive onto
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the rampway was a obviously a big thing that you know,
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was really kind of probably you're you're the biggest signature
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that you had in your time in TNA.
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you know, I got to do my looks and stuff
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there where I was doing it in a mask. Yeah.
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A third the pay taking the bus, yes, yep. If
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you're just joining us the shows in progress here PW
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five fifty three pm Eastern, and we welcome five say
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five five forty three pm Eastern, and we welcome your
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phone call at six four six seven to one nine
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A two eight. If you have a question for x
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TNA wrestler. We'll get into how that feels to hear
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that XDN A wrestler. Hernandez full name Sean Hernandez a
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longtime veteran presence in TNA, including UH, the Latin American
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Exchange and UH teaming with Matt Morgan. Uh uh, and
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really there's a lot, a lot of alliance with Chavo
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Guerrero Junior at one point and uh, just lots of
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starts and stops heer push over the years, and we'll
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we'll dive into that a little bit. Speaking of Chavo Guerrea,
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I want to start with an email question here, and
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if you do have an email question for Hernandez, you
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can email pw Torch Live Cast at gmail dot com.
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This comes in from Kevin, who says, I don't believe
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I'll have a chance to call in, but I do
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have a question for Hernandez. Until recently, I watched Impact
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Wrestling every week. I have a daughter in her early
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teens who loves WWE but doesn't watch Impact much at all.
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One time she happened to watch it and Chavo Guerrero
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came out wearing his tag team belt, and she said,
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what kind of wrestling is this? If he has a title,
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everybody else must not be that good. Because he was
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alluding to Hornswoggle every week in WWE. I wanted to
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get Hernandez's opinion on TNA using ex WWE mid carters
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and shooting them to the top. Does he feel that
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that hurts TNA's image.
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Wow, that guys said no, no pull, but punch. She
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went straight for the jagga like yeah. The you know,
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for teammate, they have to develop their own identity. They
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have to. I mean, you can't bring someone somewhere else
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and then all of a sudden make them a bigger
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start somewhere else. Yeah, you just can't do that, you know.
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I mean it's proven every time because I did. That's
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not work that well. I mean except for Kurd Angle,
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Jeff Hardy, mister Anderson, Christian probably yes, Christian is that
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was he was very awesome. Yeah, but you know that's
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that's more exceptions to the rule right there. I mean
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they you know, and only were over in WDE, but
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got over as well in tn A, TN A strange
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are a lot different than WDE if they expect more
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wrestling than the actually MIC times, so especially from before
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two thousands of I said four, twenty ten and eleven,
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they expected more wrestling, and Christians awesome. I mean he
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wouldn't do it. He could do it all. He could
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do it all. I mean he could wrestle with anybody
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on the show. And Mike time with anybody on the
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show who was really awesome watching.
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And Christian arrived in t and I mean, it's a
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great talking to you because you've been you were just
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part of all the ups and downs and all the
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hopes and all the letdowns of TN over the years,
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for better or for worse, you know, from your perspective.
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But when Christian showed up, I think when we write
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about and talk about TN a history and this week
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especially with them in the news with TMZ's report, that
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that's like TV and decided not to renew their deal,
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although multiple sources are saying, hey, negotiations still going on
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and we'll we'll we'll get into that as show progresses too.
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But when Christian did show up that he was the
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first really big name to decide on his own, not
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because of drug problems or or being let go or
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being jobbed out. He was the first guy to make
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that choice to go to TNA because he felt that
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he could elevate it and show his potential, like you said,
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both in the ring and on the microphone, as a
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top guy, and not a lot of other almost nobody
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followed in his footsteps. Unfortunately, as far as TNA's growth, goes.
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But Christian was a real symbolic moment. I think in
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TNA history he was a guy who was a big
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part of the Attitude era. He had not been a
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main eventor but I think fans perceived him unlike the
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example given a Chavel, perhaps that Christian was on the rise,
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that he hadn't reached his potential yet. What did it
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mean as a member of the tena locker room when
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Christian Cage as he was billed in TNA showed up
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with that name value, that experience and that upside and
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that credibility and what was he like to deal with
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in the locker room as a as a kind of
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a TNA original.
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It was awesome. I mean, it's very hard to change
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the word. Besides Austin Becase, I mean he was a
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guy who was still young enough to understand, you know,
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they could still go one hundred percent, and where he
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was still young enough to where he didn't have the
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you know, grizzled ved well I'm not taking that move
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or I'm not doing this, I'm not doing that, And
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he was out there and bust his ass and tried
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to have a good match with each and every person
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he was in the ring list, and he wanted respect
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from the from the you know, the locker room quickly,
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I mean from when it's with locker room, whether it
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was creative, whether it was front offense. I mean, he's
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blooded by everybody. And I mean there was this amazing
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He's one of these guys that you watched you know,
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going you know, and I would say growing up, but
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coming up in the business who was a big part
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of the assual ra with edge and stuff like that.
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And here's this guy in the locker room and he's
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willing to work with you.
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What was there? You just said a lot of kind
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things about him, And I mean the idea that he
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came there and he was eager to help TNA get
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to the next level. Is that a fair way to
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put it. He wasn't just there, you know, to to
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try to get back to w w E. You didn't
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have that feeling you thought, this is a guy who
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wants to be here and wants to bring you know,
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be a top guy who brings TNA to the next level.
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That and you know, I mean, let's just be honest,
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you know, we can get himself more over too. I
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mean that's not you know, let's not you know, shoe coaster,
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of course. I mean, you know who he is getting
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the ball should be the man for t and A
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and he was. And I mean and people who know
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me very well, I don't give compliments out very much.
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And now I don't even know Christian that will. You know,
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just when the time he was in TNA, you know,
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I saw him and he came into the h uh
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Hall of Fame thing in Dallas for I spoke the Slammiversary.
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We spoke for a few minutes. But I mean more
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of this acquaintances more than anything. But I mean this guy,
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top guy, well dam top guy did but came in
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with his work, was done and ready to go, and
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he I can't see something bad about the guy at all.
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Did you see his attitude change for the better or
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the worse during his you know, three three three or
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so years in TNA in terms of being really motivated
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to take things to the next level. And then by
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the time that he left, was he disenchanted or did
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he think, Hey, I've left TNA in a better place,
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but you know, I got to do what's best for me.
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But I'm I'm you know, did he seem enthusiastic about
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TNA's futures. In other words, in that span of time,
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did his attitude towards the brand change.
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I think, honestly, he tried his best to make to
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build him to build his brand bigger, and to build
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the company's brand bigger.
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In this.
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Maybe he was small enough business wise or family wise
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to say, hey, I can make a little bit more money.
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Wrestling here had been more secure, and my legacy be
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more submitted to the stone fishing my current WBT. That's
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just my opinion. I'm not no expert by that's what
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I think is what happens.
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But that work ethic and that locker room leadership, and
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that veteran leadership, but also that kind of wide eyed enthusiasm,
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that stay that was pretty even keel the whole time
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he was there. Yes, yeah, okay, very cool. All right, Well,
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let's go to the phone lines here. If you've got
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a question for Hernandez, We're now going to the phone banks.
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The number is six four, six, seven to one nine.
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A two eight h tenure veteran of TNA Total NonStop
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Action Impact Wrestling, Sean Hernette is is my guest today
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But when we go to the vip A prepline with
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Yes?
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This is me?
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All right, very good. What have you got for an
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ADUs today?
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All right?
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Well?
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I got three different things, so I just want to
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know do you want me to same all at one?
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Uh, just just one at a time and we'll keep
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you on the line.
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All right, all right, Well, the first question that I
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have is in regards to whether or not, like during
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the time of Hogan and Dishoff and every other old
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w W e restler coming in, I just wanted to
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know whether or not is whether or not you felt
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that it will be more optimistic in general, I mean
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because of the fact that you knew that it would
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have brought some more artist and products and it would
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have you know, got more sponsors than everything else. Or
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did you kind of like was everybody like fearing spots
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as far as you know, the teen A Originals and
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everybody else. I mean, that's my first question.
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Okay, Well, simple, when Hogan Bischoff came in, it was
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you know, kind of a little surprise for us for
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00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:11.400
And I'm not retarded, brother, I know if you bring
488
00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:14.880
it in a bunch of names, you know they're going
489
00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:18.359
straight to the top and everyone gets pegged down, you know,
490
00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:21.880
a step a little too lower. That's when. And I mean,
491
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:25.319
if you guys remember I as soon as that happened,
492
00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:27.440
I asked, you know, I had to be with Dixie
493
00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:28.920
and I said, I need to go to Mexico for
494
00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:31.400
I need to go to Mexico and trying to get
495
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:34.200
to the cross up a breakfast And that's exactly what
496
00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:37.079
I did, because I mean, here I am, I'm you know,
497
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:39.759
the creative is struggling to find a way to put
498
00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:42.640
me in a single spot as it is. You know,
499
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:45.559
they haven't. They had me with a miss Matt Tag
500
00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:49.720
with Matt Morgan and they you know that they didn't
501
00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:53.160
know how to dodn't know how to or want to
502
00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:56.880
or didn't have to drive to to to make me
503
00:25:56.960 --> 00:25:59.319
the singles guy. So I said, no, let me go
504
00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:02.200
to Mexico, Parson more from the Spanish, get to let
505
00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:05.559
markets you know, Exhange, you can let market.
506
00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:06.079
More than NA.
507
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:09.839
Yeah, And that's why I did, because I mean, there's
508
00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:11.680
there's no way I was going to be there and
509
00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:14.400
drop even low on the pone pole.
510
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:16.960
And I don't I can't remember the time exact timing
511
00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:20.279
of it. But was it before or after Hogan and
512
00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:23.400
and and Bischoff showed up that you? Was it right
513
00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:25.160
before or right after that you decided.
514
00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:27.680
To go to Mexico as soon as they announced it?
515
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:31.200
Wow? And and how what was Dixie's reaction to that proposal?
516
00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:33.359
Because I know at various times she had been really
517
00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:34.880
high on you and thought that you were, you know,
518
00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:37.440
an asset worth pushing. But like you just kind of said,
519
00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:39.119
sometimes it seemed like they didn't quite know how to
520
00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:39.400
do that.
521
00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:44.519
Well, there's you know, see, there's nothing wrong with you know,
522
00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:47.759
people say have a misconception about Dixie Carters. You know,
523
00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:51.680
she's you know, I think she's a smart lady. She
524
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:54.480
knows that she doesn't know that it's announced Leslian. So
525
00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:57.720
she just like any owner or CEO, they put people
526
00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:03.279
in place to hopefully, you know, fix those areas. Now
527
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:05.960
who is he put in charge the debailable?
528
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:06.839
You know what?
529
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:10.200
What's the here? Miss success that had? But I mean
530
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:15.759
to put all the blame that teenage is is udicrous. Yeah,
531
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:18.680
you know you have to look you know, you have
532
00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:21.039
to look at who she put in who she put
533
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:24.839
in charge. Now she had fault who she put in charge,
534
00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:28.319
of course, because that ultimately that's her decisions. But I mean,
535
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:30.319
you know, we have to look at the truck where
536
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:32.640
the guys that hadn't you know that that she put
537
00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:36.599
in charge there and why they're not welcome back to
538
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:38.079
the WIT or world's things.
539
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:45.319
Well, how how did the how did the Mexico journey
540
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:45.960
work out for you?
541
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:51.119
But it was at first it was awkward because I
542
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:54.480
was told I don't know because we had agree with
543
00:27:54.880 --> 00:28:00.480
similar health and so you know, if I want to
544
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:02.359
go to somewhere L have to be I had to
545
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:05.359
wear a mask and it be just a big ordeal
546
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.920
to where they want to. Triple A you have been
547
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:12.160
smoother because they they they're more of a you know,
548
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:16.240
they're more of an americanized wrestling and they understand how
549
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:18.799
to draw different aspects to get the cloud to come.
550
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:23.000
The problem is they had the lawsuit with Conan and TNA,
551
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:25.920
and that's why they didn't want me to go there. Okay,
552
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:29.319
and obviously you know when they saw that, you know,
553
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:31.640
there's big advantage of working with Triple A than Cimo
554
00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:34.440
L because you know, very old school or very traditional
555
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:37.880
compared to where it's easier to transition to be from
556
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:40.319
Triple A. They decided to change it. Say okay, boom,
557
00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:41.000
and I went.
558
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:46.480
What what was it like for you over there? I
559
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:49.039
mean that was that your first trip wrestling there?
560
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:54.000
No, I you know, I've before h two thousand and
561
00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:56.799
six and I finally stayed on with TNA full time. Okay,
562
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:58.759
I wrestled for my two thousand and two to two
563
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:03.599
thousand and five and the border towns in Monterey, Okay,
564
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:10.319
every every Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. But you know, next next Spanish.
565
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:13.640
It's a lot different than authentic real Spanish when you
566
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:18.480
were down in my city. Yeah, it was. They were
567
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:21.240
you know, my first month was very brutal, just you know,
568
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:22.640
getting directions from.
569
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:28.559
A cap jeez. Yeah, yes, but you acclimated to it
570
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:29.920
and and felt you came out of it better.
571
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:32.880
Oh, most definitely. I mean, you know, I wasn't I
572
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:34.599
wasn't dumbing as soon as I went down there and
573
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.480
I was having problems the people I was playing with,
574
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.759
I had to they wrote, they wrote the directions on
575
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:45.839
a piece of paper, and then I am twe eighth
576
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:48.880
dot com guy handing a note to the cab guy
577
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:52.960
for directions like a little kid like if I broke kid. Yeah,
578
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:55.480
and I said, you know, I can't do that. This
579
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.920
probably left me and I went to Uh, I celebrated
580
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:01.960
Spanish school to be able to get around, And it
581
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.119
took me about two and a half weeks to a
582
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:06.319
commanded to where I could get my own directions around town.
583
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:08.000
Okay, well that's good.
584
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:11.160
Uh.
585
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:14.440
And and did did you think TNA appreciated, uh when
586
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:17.720
you got back what you were bringing back with you
587
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:23.440
in terms of either improved ring uh, Spanish credibility, Uh,
588
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:26.039
maybe somethatic credibility. Having been down there, did they take
589
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:26.839
advantage of that at all?
590
00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:30.119
What do you think? Well, I was there, I was
591
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:34.839
there for nine months. Yeah, you know, you know, for
592
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:38.480
most Americans down there, it takes them about you know,
593
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:41.000
a year and a half to get you know, to
594
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:44.079
get one of the kids hands. We know, we can
595
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:46.359
react to you all the time, but with Triple A
596
00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:49.920
being such huge marked down there, and there are to
597
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:53.519
be so strong down there, it took you know, two
598
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:57.240
or three months. And I was you know, everyone knows
599
00:30:57.279 --> 00:30:59.200
who you know, everyone who wanted Triple A knew who
600
00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:04.000
I was, you know, and Triple A was very They
601
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:06.200
gave me very easily. SI. I asked them what they
602
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:08.119
wanted to do, said, Sean, just go out there and
603
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:13.119
do your ship. And I got over. You know, doesn't
604
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:15.400
take a rocket tight just let me do my stuff
605
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:18.079
and it will work. So when I do that for
606
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:22.880
nine months, things are going well. I've worked with every
607
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:27.400
top guy on house shows, big shows, pay per views,
608
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:31.160
TV shows. I come back. My reward is I get
609
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:34.039
a third rate version of L e X with Mexican
610
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:37.519
America where the were the best rest of of my
611
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:44.480
group is a female Sarah dark Angel, I mean Sakay.
612
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:48.160
Yeah, yeah, how frustrated were you at that point?
613
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:54.920
Well, just I have stalked about I have to say
614
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:58.519
this a lot. I really really am the big admirers
615
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:04.079
of the professional those who had no families, because they
616
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:05.960
can go to the office say kiss my ass. I'm
617
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:10.039
not taking this, you know, but you know, I got kids,
618
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:12.200
I got you know, the time I had you know,
619
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:13.880
I paid my house off September, but I mean I
620
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:16.319
had a mortgage at the time, had car payments, had
621
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:20.240
normal life. You know, you take and choose your battles.
622
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:22.559
You know, here I go spend nine months out of
623
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:23.640
wait for my family.
624
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:27.400
Yeah, you know, and my my son was two at
625
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:27.720
the time.
626
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.279
And you know for this big character they're dangling, was
627
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:34.960
they dangled it many times before when I broke my neck,
628
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:40.680
you know, they dangled it and I was done well
629
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:43.960
when they came back, you know with the Mexican American gimmick.
630
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:49.559
And then I remember I got an argument with town
631
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:53.000
Relations at the time, right before my match with Matt
632
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:58.319
Morgan in Lockdown and I think Cincinnati, and we got
633
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.680
I mean we were in a screaming match, wow, right before.
634
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:05.160
I mean, you know Matt Movie's music already play.
635
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:07.000
Yeah, oh wow.
636
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:11.279
And you know I couldn't take the more. I mean,
637
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:14.200
here I am, you know, I'm you know, I have
638
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.119
a nice house. Everyone has, you know, in Mexico it's
639
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:19.039
either you have money and you don't have money. But
640
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:21.720
it's still a third world country. There was I lived
641
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:24.799
in a room, not a house. There was no ac
642
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:29.000
or he this a fan in my room, hoping and
643
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:31.400
wishing him, praying that these people are going to be
644
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:33.279
true of the word and give me the push that
645
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:36.200
the promise. Yes, I mean I could have you know,
646
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:39.000
I could have stayed through the you know it's not
647
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:41.519
once mex Squa at all and stayed at the same
648
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:42.720
level as a tag guy.
649
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:44.559
Yeah, yeah, you know.
650
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:46.680
So I mean to say that I was upset. It's
651
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:47.759
a huge understatement.
652
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:51.759
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And you you had nice to say about Dixie, but
665
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:28.480
were you able to go to Dixie Carter at that
666
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:30.480
point and say, you know what's going on, You're the boss,
667
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:32.039
let's let's make let's make this right.
668
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:40.440
It's at times I would I could, but know as
669
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.320
times when you know I'm not there, don't don't get
670
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:45.440
me wrong, I'm not the only one with ripes and complaints.
671
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:49.159
So at the time, you know, so you know those
672
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:55.159
times where we got strict instructions that all complaints go
673
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:58.559
to Director Talent Relations. If you go above his head,
674
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:04.199
you there spines and Kenedy's willing to be given out babe,
675
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:07.519
you know. So it was kind of hard when you
676
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:10.199
know you have a nice rapport with this lady, yeah,
677
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:14.440
and she understands your plate, you know, yeah, where it's
678
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:18.079
not happening, and you can't go to her because then
679
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:20.599
you know, when I say I got kids, I wouldn't
680
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:23.559
get fined because I went over the count rest your head.
681
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:28.400
Yeah, And that's tough to hear because you know Vincent maah. Now, granted,
682
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:31.280
you got to pick your spots, but in WWE, Vincent
683
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:34.159
man has office hours and you you asked to see him,
684
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:38.639
and he's got a reputation for within reason being available
685
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:40.960
to talk to directly, especially if you're somebody who's been
686
00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:43.400
around as long as you had been in TNA. If
687
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:46.320
you're a WWE guy and you put in your five, six, seven, eight,
688
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:49.119
nine years with WWE and you want to see the
689
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:51.800
boss you I mean again, you don't want to abuse
690
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:53.800
it because that'll be used against you. But that door
691
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:55.559
is there to knock on that meeting. You know, you
692
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:57.880
can have a meeting with them. That seems like a rough,
693
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.519
kind of a tough setup in TNA, and it's just,
694
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:03.000
you know, it's one of dozens and dozens of little
695
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:04.519
things that I've heard over the years where you just
696
00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:06.280
kind of, you know, you just kind of roll your
697
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:07.639
eyes a little bit and go, it's you know, the
698
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:10.360
reason they're in the situation they're in is because of
699
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:14.880
situations like that, where there's layers of insulation and layers
700
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:19.480
of politics that work against that communication that maybe can
701
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:20.199
make things better.
702
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:24.639
I totally agree. I mean, from yeah, twenty ten to
703
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:31.920
my career this past May isser.
704
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:37.880
Yeah, and you know, your prime years as a prep
705
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:41.280
pro wrestler were those years. You know, in terms of
706
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:43.840
when guys usually make the most money. You put in
707
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:47.159
your time, You got your national television for years, you
708
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:51.360
worked internationally to improve yourself. You took that initiative, and
709
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.760
you were not seen even though yeah you got a yelling,
710
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.360
magic creative, but you were not seen by. I've never
711
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:00.239
heard anybody say that you were like this just head
712
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:03.920
case or somebody who caused problems. Your prime earning years
713
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:05.840
were those exact years you're talking about in terms of
714
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:08.360
your age and your experience and your exposure to fans,
715
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.519
And that's where you know I mean, and I don't
716
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:13.760
I'm not in any way putting it flippantly. I just
717
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:16.519
you know, I totally totally understand why you'd be frustrated
718
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:20.280
during those years, and even more so when you found
719
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:22.159
out you weren't no longer with a company, because it
720
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:23.719
just seemed like if you're ever going to be ripe
721
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:25.679
for a push, it would have been the last few years.
722
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:30.199
Yes, I mean looks like busman buttons my clear was
723
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:31.159
also at the beginning.
724
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.920
Yeah. Yeah, well we'll get into that in more detail.
725
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:37.559
And I want to go back to Louis on on
726
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:40.800
our phone line here. Uh v IP member, you gave
727
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:42.320
us your first question quite a while ago, but go
728
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:44.159
ahead with your second question. That was a good topic.
729
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Crest go off on for a while.
730
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.800
Yeah, yeah, not no problem.
731
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:50.639
Yeah, the thing is, the second question is actually really quit.
732
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:54.000
I just want to know where Hernandez stood as far
733
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:56.199
as the six sided ring as.
734
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:57.360
A plus side a ring.
735
00:37:57.440 --> 00:37:59.800
Now, the reason I asked that question is because some
736
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:04.360
people like really like the six sided ring. However, then
737
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:06.800
you also have the other crew that only liked to
738
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:09.599
distinguished the people. And then of course you have the
739
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:11.920
people that hated it because they said that it would
740
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:13.760
take the life and out of the wrestler and it
741
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:15.920
was a lot more painful. But I just want to
742
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:18.480
know where you stood as far as what Europa was
743
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:20.599
with the six sided ring as opposed to the four
744
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:21.119
side of ring.
745
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:26.280
Well, for myself, you know, I wrestled the six sided ring,
746
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:30.119
you know, Mexico before I started with KNA, And I
747
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:34.280
mean it was It's fun. Just some things you had
748
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:36.480
to get used to as far as you know, different
749
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:38.760
ways you tell people off and stuff like that. But
750
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:42.840
I mean, I'm like a normal guy. You know, if
751
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:46.480
you like a normal job. You're paying me to do this.
752
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:49.960
I said, yes, So if you put if you have
753
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.199
a ring with seven bombs in it, I'm gonna I'm
754
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:57.719
gonna wrestle. That's like agree to you know. If you
755
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:01.480
don't like it, quick, I promise you that eighty seven
756
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:03.719
million people will take this pilot. You don't really like
757
00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:04.119
that ring.
758
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:06.760
How do you think the locker room would come down
759
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.159
as far as that goes? But they have your attitude
760
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:10.760
of hey, either way works for me. It's not that
761
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:12.199
big of a deal, even if you have a slight
762
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:14.760
preference or do you think most guys would side in
763
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:16.320
favor of six or in favor of four?
764
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:23.440
The okay, it's gone weird. It's like the original guys,
765
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:26.199
like the guys who were there from the beginning, who
766
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:29.039
who pretty much were brought up in two TNA through
767
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:33.360
the six sides, were probably for the six sides. Yeah, yeah,
768
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:35.880
the four size you know, four side ring of obviously easier.
769
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:39.960
But I mean, if you've started your main career on
770
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:44.119
television on the six sides and you've made you know,
771
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:47.239
good money, you've made good, you know, really good matches
772
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:48.360
that win, why would you change?
773
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:53.039
But guys like who went through ro oh first or
774
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:55.639
came in on the four sided ring and then all
775
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:56.920
of a sudden it got switched to a six do
776
00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:59.239
you think the acclamation there would be enough? You know,
777
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:01.559
like Austin area. So it was very He's an outspoken
778
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:05.079
guy in general, not not he has a very low filter.
779
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:07.679
His thoughts tend to come out and.
780
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:10.639
Yeah, I'm a big fan because I mean he can
781
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:14.159
you know right or by he's willing to say what's
782
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:17.599
on his heart and you know, and you don't like.
783
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:24.920
It, and I don't know he has kids, what you say, Yeah.
784
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:26.920
I wonder, I wonder how you two would be different,
785
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:29.239
because I know how you are now, you know, being
786
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:30.880
able to you know, you speak, you know, you're you're
787
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:33.599
not You're not particularly guarded talking about TNA now because
788
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.159
you're really frustrated and you know and have a lot
789
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:38.679
to say about it. You wonder if you didn't have kids,
790
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:42.280
how your how you would have handled things differently behind
791
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:44.119
the scenes and on the flip side of Boston Area's
792
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:46.639
was just worried about you know, that mortgage, supporting his kids.
793
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:48.760
If if if he would have developed a filter along
794
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:50.599
the way, you know, from a you know, because that's
795
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:52.440
do with both circumstances and personality.
796
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:56.480
Yeah, both definitely. I mean, if I have kids. Uh,
797
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:01.559
when I came back from the promage the boy I
798
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:03.440
everyone was gonna get my spot or you want to
799
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:07.360
tell me back. That's just that that very first month.
800
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:17.039
When austin Arians was against the four sided ring. I
801
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:18.920
guess that doesn't. It really wasn't in your time there,
802
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:19.840
so it really wasn't anything that.
803
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:21.840
Honestly, I don't even know.
804
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:23.480
I mean, yeah, he just came out.
805
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:29.000
The last time I watched the show was this when
806
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:31.639
we had the feature Fired match whatever and trouble get
807
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:35.480
the Fired case, and then the next week he showed
808
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:37.719
he got fired. That's the last time I've watched the
809
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:39.320
show on by the basis.
810
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:41.800
I'm sure it's tough. I mean, because you were, you know,
811
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:47.119
among that group of early you know, you you should
812
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:50.000
have been deemed a tena original and and and part
813
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:53.360
of that core group and and the alter real identity.
814
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:55.360
I mean, what, well, I want you know what, I'll
815
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:57.039
say that I gotta follow, but I'll say that till
816
00:41:57.039 --> 00:41:58.159
I go back to LU because I want to get
817
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:00.440
history question in. But I want to talk about your
818
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:04.159
your thoughts on AJ being being part of the cupbacks.
819
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But we'll do that in a minute.
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A Louis, go ahead with your your question. Maybe it's say,
828
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my third.
829
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:49.599
Question is kind of actually for both of you because
830
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:53.639
you know, because this guy took like a semi shot
831
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:56.639
at you two way Vince Russo, I just wanted to
832
00:42:56.719 --> 00:43:01.079
all if you were there during his time, like did
833
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:04.039
you like the product RNANDEZ that he was putting out?
834
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:06.679
And then just in general, like is it true what
835
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.519
the rule like? Basically, I mean, like, I mean, I'm
836
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:11.000
not I didn't really ask the question there. But what
837
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:13.880
I'm trying to fay though, is that in general, did
838
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:17.519
the TNA locker room when you were there when whenever
839
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:20.800
Vince Russell's name actually came up? Is it true with
840
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.320
these websites? And no, it's not on your website way,
841
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:26.320
but other websites like are saying about you know the
842
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:28.960
fact that everybody like just didn't even want to hear
843
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:31.440
that name. People just didn't even want to be around him.
844
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:34.119
And yeah, and then of course the way I want
845
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:36.960
you to come and own his little jab at you too?
846
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:40.000
What what what last question? I didn't pay attention. I
847
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:41.719
haven't paid attention to what Russell said about me, believe
848
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:43.199
it or not. What what what was this job at me?
849
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:43.920
Really?
850
00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:44.320
Yeah?
851
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.400
Oh well no, no what he wrestling Knews. What it
852
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:50.760
was was that basically ventrus So as a result of
853
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:55.159
my basically nobody knowing whether he got fired or he
854
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:58.639
quit himself. Basically that he said that you reported something
855
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:02.360
on your website and said the p W insider, but
856
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:05.559
then he called p W insider another act another name
857
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:06.079
or something.
858
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.360
So yeah, he was like, I guess.
859
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:11.079
Or something along a want.
860
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:16.719
Yeah, I know, I didn't go Yeah, go ahead, Renett
861
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:19.360
is what what's your opinion on on the strengths and
862
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:21.960
weaknesses of Russo during his stints in TNA.
863
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:27.400
This to talk to he was very open. You could
864
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:32.360
talk to him. We get that Brooklyn vibe when I'm
865
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:36.440
When I was with Homicide, you know, things they worked
866
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:42.079
more in our favor because you know, he's a Brooklyn guy. Homicide,
867
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.280
you know, from New York, so it you know, things
868
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:47.960
worked a little bit better when we were separate. Then
869
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:52.000
it was a little bit you know here miss you know,
870
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.920
but I mean there's a lot of guys that say, oh,
871
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:57.840
we don't like Vince this is like that. But I
872
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:02.920
mean when I was there, you know of those people
873
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:04.920
who didn't like it, but they wouldn't publicly say it.
874
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:06.280
But I mean most of there was a lot of
875
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:09.320
guys you know, still talking to him, and he was
876
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:13.639
very accessible as far as his you know, his vision
877
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:17.880
he had for you, yeah, for input with his you know,
878
00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:21.000
not to be said with other guys who's had his spot.
879
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:24.360
So yeah, and I'm I'm real critical of Russo's ability
880
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:29.719
to write, to be the lead booker, have the big vision,
881
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:32.519
and be able to carry out a coherent storyline that
882
00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:35.719
is efficiently booked where you don't just you know, I
883
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.039
mean famously, he booked Rick Flair in a hair match
884
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:40.559
at the beginning of a show, and Rick Flair was
885
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:43.199
bald at the end. Like that lack of discipline, that
886
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:47.320
lack of you know, just pacing things out and having
887
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:50.239
stories make sense and not just turning people because it'll
888
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:52.639
poper rating, or throwing a gimmick concept on a match
889
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:54.840
because well it'll pop rating or you know, boost the
890
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:56.760
corder rating. He just was really kind of stuck in
891
00:45:56.840 --> 00:46:01.360
that kind of late nineties Battlefield. I think of Gilligan's
892
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:04.159
Island Back. You might have watched that in reruns when
893
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.280
you were a kid too, Shan they were like the
894
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:09.519
Japanese fighters on the island still in one episode and
895
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:11.760
they were still fighting World War two. To me, Russell's
896
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:13.880
that guy. He's the guy who just still thinks wrestling
897
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:17.800
is in nineteen ninety six and he doesn't have Vince
898
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:21.639
Amanda to kind of guide him through some of his weaknesses.
899
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:27.400
That said, he his engagement with wrestlers makes him popular
900
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:29.119
with wrestlers. That's one of the reasons he survived this
901
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:32.400
long because he does, unlike a lot of people and
902
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:34.719
creative positions, does sit down and get to know you
903
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:38.719
and brainstorms with you and wants to work with more
904
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:41.519
than just the top four guys and tries to get
905
00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:43.440
the best that he can out of mid carters. And
906
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:45.320
that's one of his strengths. I don't think he should
907
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.039
be the booker and TV script writer, but I think
908
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.119
if he could work with somebody with a different vision, he's,
909
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:55.679
like you're saying, a guy who's really engaging, really like
910
00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:58.800
I mean, when I've been around him and when I
911
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:00.239
talk him on the phone, and when we got the
912
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:04.159
Ultimate Insiders DVD interview out in LA we really hit
913
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:06.639
it off like personally, like just we got along. He's
914
00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:11.039
a really affable, engaging person. And that's where I think
915
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:13.599
his book, I'll put it bluntly, I think his booking
916
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:17.519
incompetence is blunted by the fact that he really is
917
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:20.599
engaging when he works with wrestlers, and he's very charismatic
918
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:22.480
and confident that the way he carries himself.
919
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:27.639
Well, I mean for us, you know, for myself at
920
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:29.679
homicide when we were in l As, you know, we
921
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:33.559
had a big filter. We had Conan who would who
922
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:36.119
would be? You know, he's the big name from Mexico.
923
00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:41.920
He was in w CW and he would change no
924
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:44.840
matter who was in charge of creative at the time,
925
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:48.079
he would change the storylines or change whatever.
926
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:48.320
It is.
927
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:52.039
Sort of fixed our gimmick every time. And you know,
928
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:56.320
you know, whether people like him or not, that guy
929
00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:59.800
went to bat for him. He wrote or died for Lax.
930
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:03.840
He was saying, if they wrote some corny storyline for us,
931
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:08.360
he would pack his bags and he would walk walks
932
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:11.159
parking lot and you know he was ready to go
933
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:14.400
back to Mexico and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
934
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:16.559
say names, but you know, with the creative at the time,
935
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:19.639
he would chased him down like pup dogs. Oh please, Conan,
936
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:24.119
come back, come on, let's make two eyes hell. Then
937
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:26.000
his probably guess one time he couldn't take it the
938
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:28.960
more and he never came back. I mean, I can't
939
00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:31.400
tell you how many times, you know, you know two
940
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:34.960
thousand and six. LX was the hottest thing in Teena's
941
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:42.599
history at that time, and it was because Conan would go,
942
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:44.880
you know, he libered by and say hey, it's going
943
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:49.239
this way or I'm walking and there was I can
944
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:52.280
I can think of more than five times watch him
945
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:55.519
carry his i mean drag his little roller bag to
946
00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:58.360
the to the parking lot with the little creative like
947
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:00.760
little puppies. Hey, come back, Conan, let's make this way.
948
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:04.039
What are we going to do different? I mean, you know,
949
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:07.800
and then when he left, you know, he had no
950
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:08.960
protection of who've.
951
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:13.320
Done Yeah, yeah, that's that's interesting that. You know, we
952
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.480
hear that a lot that wrestlers, and sometimes it's just
953
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:18.920
in WWE. It's having a writer who's an advocate for
954
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:21.800
you at the creative meetings with vinsic. Man, if you
955
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:23.360
have a writer who's an advocate for you get a
956
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:26.239
push is if that writer's let go or quits, suddenly
957
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:28.440
that person who was advocating for them is gone. And
958
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:31.079
Conan was not. He wasn't a writer on a writing team,
959
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:33.000
but he was the head of your group, and he
960
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:35.280
was the guy looking out for you. And he made
961
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.079
a real difference because of his you know, he had
962
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:40.079
been through the ringer in w CWB four and obviously
963
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:42.719
he had been booker and and has just such a
964
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:44.960
vast array of experience in wrestling that and he was
965
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:46.679
He's just as brash and outspoken as a.
966
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:48.079
Get of course.
967
00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:54.039
Yeah, absolutely, Louis, thanks for re call. Appreciate it, all right,
968
00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:56.800
good one, than cool, Thanks love, Thanks for your VP
969
00:49:56.920 --> 00:49:59.360
membership too, of course. All right, let's let's go to
970
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:01.000
our next caller here here on the p W Torch
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00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:03.119
Live cast. If you joined us Midstream Live, this is
972
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:07.400
Hernandez as today's guest on Interview Friday at PW torchlivecast
973
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.960
dot com. A ten plus year TNA veteran. All right,
974
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:13.039
Erico three one nine, You are up next. Please state
975
00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:14.280
your name in the city you're calling.
976
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:17.199
From This is Andrew Center, Rapids, Iowa.
977
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:19.280
Andrew, thank you for colling. What have you got for
978
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:22.039
Hernead's today? Yeah, yeah, there's pretty much short notice. How
979
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.920
have you been, man, what have you been up to? Hernandez?
980
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:29.800
Just enjoying my kids for the first time in ten
981
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:30.880
years is awesome.
982
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:33.400
Yeah, that is awesome.
983
00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:35.199
When did you actually get released from TNA?
984
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:37.440
Was it like this year? For the last year, it was.
985
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:40.519
Uh May of this year.
986
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:44.199
Man, You're always fun to watch all the time. I
987
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:45.960
really thought you were going to eventually be a main
988
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:48.039
eventor but they didn't know how to make stars at
989
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:51.480
the time. So it's a DNA, but there might be
990
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:55.119
other people on old Yeah, dude, you really did deserve it.
991
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:58.280
But my question is you guys were talking about Conan.
992
00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:00.719
I heard that when he was doing Spanish announcing, he
993
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:04.199
would bury everybody that he hated and he would put
994
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:05.400
over the people that he liked.
995
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:06.960
Did you guys already talk about that?
996
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:08.960
No?
997
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:15.440
All right, okay, who was doing He was doing color commentary?
998
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:19.199
Tell me, you know, it's not like he was doing
999
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:21.559
the play by play Willia Bean. It was in movie
1000
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:23.760
Jack Mulindas was doing the play by play so it
1001
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:27.159
was his part to be in character. So whether he
1002
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:29.440
was doing that or not, who knows.
1003
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:34.079
Yeah, besides a few besides you and a few Mexicans,
1004
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:36.800
Like who did anybody? Is it true that nobody like
1005
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:40.519
backstage really knew Spanish because that's why he got away
1006
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:40.800
with it.
1007
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:44.920
I would probably Sar, you're correct.
1008
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:51.039
And my last question, my last question is what was
1009
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.480
your thoughts about working with Eric Young? And thank you
1010
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:56.239
for your time and I hope you have a good summer.
1011
00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:59.320
Oh, thank you about America. Young was awesome man. He
1012
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:05.639
could rustle with anybody, and his community timing is pretty
1013
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:07.719
you know, pretty amazing. You know, I got to wrestle him.
1014
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.719
And when he was doing the uh A Hill group
1015
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:18.119
that worked that when they're all not the when everybody
1016
00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:20.880
was like anti America or whatever, he was the bad
1017
00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:24.920
leading bad guy or something. This is like two thousand
1018
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:28.559
and nine. It was him and he shaved his head
1019
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:30.719
on TV and all that, you know, he did. He
1020
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:33.000
was the first time he was like doing serious game.
1021
00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:35.519
He was awesome. Yeah, we got to do you know,
1022
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:38.159
we got to do all the house shows here in
1023
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:42.239
Texas in the South, you know South you know, South Texas,
1024
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:45.559
maybe in ten minutes from the border. So there's this
1025
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:49.920
bond hair, blue eyed guy, you know, talking bad about Mexicans.
1026
00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:53.960
So he gave me the perfect lead into you all
1027
00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:58.159
these there's like fifteen hundred, two thousand Mexicans waiting for
1028
00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:00.079
me with the white boys ass So it was all.
1029
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:02.880
Very good.
1030
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:05.880
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All right, let's let's go on a call here. Let's
1047
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:06.599
go to Airico seven seven three, please stay to name it.
1048
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:07.280
Where you're coming from?
1049
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:09.920
Boris in Chicago?
1050
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:11.880
Hey, Boris, what have you got for Hernandez today?
1051
00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:16.000
Amanda's the superman himself? How you doing?
1052
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:17.480
Their doing great?
1053
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:21.760
What's closer to listen and listening on your on your story?
1054
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:22.800
All right?
1055
00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:26.119
I wish you the best out there, and I want
1056
00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:30.280
to ask you a couple of questions as far as
1057
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:34.760
if if you can, if you contained something, what would
1058
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:38.159
it be as far as wrestling or anything of that nature.
1059
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:41.079
Well, boys, what's what do you mean? I'm sure he'd
1060
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:42.920
like as the world peace in the Middle East, but
1061
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:45.400
what what do you mean in the wrestling industry or
1062
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:45.840
his career?
1063
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:49.760
Yes, and I've just yeah that it was kind of
1064
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:51.920
in the wrestling industry. What would you change?
1065
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:52.320
Gotcha?
1066
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:52.719
Gotcha?
1067
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:53.559
So far?
1068
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:55.599
I wanted to know all that down because we can
1069
00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:57.159
have a top ten less things would change about the
1070
00:54:57.159 --> 00:54:58.960
world before we'd even get to wrestling. I hope all
1071
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:00.239
right to colleat her at it.
1072
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:03.360
Okay, this is what I want to change about my
1073
00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:04.800
career because of what the question was.
1074
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:09.519
Well, I think the wrestling industry, I.
1075
00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:14.199
Guess there's still stereotypes. I wish that we would have,
1076
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:17.639
you know this from what I've been a part of.
1077
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:21.559
I don't know WDE or Ring of Honor as well
1078
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:25.360
as I know TNA when I was there. Just if
1079
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:29.239
you are an ethnic guy, can we have someone who
1080
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:30.599
can relate to an ethnic guy?
1081
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:31.000
You know?
1082
00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:34.920
I had, you know, from two thousand and eleven and twelve,
1083
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:39.079
a little bit twenty ten, I have, you know, fifty
1084
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:41.119
year old white guys telling me I need to be
1085
00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:44.639
more Mexican, which is kind of rough, you know, and uh,
1086
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:48.719
you know, and just could be more you know, ethnically
1087
00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:50.639
diverse that you're going to use a lot of ethnic
1088
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:54.840
wrestlers to be have someone who knows how to push
1089
00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:58.880
That was that style us that was either my number one,
1090
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:00.880
my number one and probably own it was one and change.
1091
00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:03.559
Yeah, Boris, he said he had a second topic.
1092
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:09.559
Yes, but listening to your story, if you have any thoughts,
1093
00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:12.400
what do you have your thoughts on when the Sam
1094
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:13.840
Punk leaving the way?
1095
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:16.920
Siam Punk laughs, All right, thanks? Hey, have you been
1096
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:18.559
following w W B this year.
1097
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:25.800
Sefortunately have him so my kids wasn't sometimes. The last
1098
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:29.519
time I really saw w B Moly you washed as
1099
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:32.000
a fan was one that uh the guy that.
1100
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:35.400
Does ballroom dancing fun down Goo.
1101
00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:38.840
Yes, yeah, that guy's hilarious. I thought that was hilarious.
1102
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:42.639
And then the guy who does the announcing for a
1103
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:44.480
Borsajo Rideo, I think he was awesome.
1104
00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:48.639
He just got released this week, so yeah, he was
1105
00:56:48.679 --> 00:56:49.760
part of the Cup backs for Cartero.
1106
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:55.719
Wow. I thought he was, you know, extremely entertaining. But
1107
00:56:55.719 --> 00:56:58.039
I mean that's just me. But I mean, no other
1108
00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:02.480
than that, I don't know. I mean, Monday's usually a
1109
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:03.239
football for me.
1110
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:07.199
Well, you know it's tough too. You know, you're you're
1111
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:10.239
a fan of wrestling growing up, you dedicate a huge
1112
00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:13.159
chunk of your professional prime athletic gears to the industry.
1113
00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:16.920
It does you wrong. It's hard to just have that
1114
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:20.519
same feeling of escapism when you watch it, you know,
1115
00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:23.559
I mean, because you're watching it and it's not necessarily jealousy,
1116
00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:27.719
but it's it's it's a sense of lost opportunity for
1117
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:30.400
all the wrong reasons that you could be contributing and
1118
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:32.400
you're not. And I just that has to put a
1119
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:34.880
haze over any enjoyment you'd get over watching something that's
1120
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:36.320
been a big part of your life, your whole life.
1121
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:40.400
Well, I mean for myself, I still watched Luca Everything
1122
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:40.800
each other.
1123
00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:43.280
Oh okay, yeah, that's my first.
1124
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:45.480
Best obviously, Unfortunately, I'm sorry, that's my first one of
1125
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:48.239
you know, that's one of the main biggest way when
1126
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:51.039
I was in Mexico that called me to do the
1127
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:55.320
Lax Deal was because they have a success ring and
1128
00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:57.920
they let you do a lot of moves that were
1129
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:00.840
the we wouldn't let you do. It was more like
1130
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:02.679
a toned down version of Yna Warner.
1131
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:08.639
That person was a team that yeah, yeah, well, speaking
1132
00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:10.719
to guys who were kind of well, it's just still
1133
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:13.199
many you know, we talking about cutback in WWE. One
1134
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:16.159
of the bigger cutbacks, so to speak, was aj Styles.
1135
00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:19.280
He was a guest on on the live cast here
1136
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:21.519
right after Christmas, and a really really good guest, a
1137
00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:25.599
very engaged guest, and and was just so you could
1138
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:29.719
just tell leaving TNA for him, it was just it
1139
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:34.119
was like leaving behind something that he felt he cultivated
1140
00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:36.159
and was part of growing, and it just it felt
1141
00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:40.480
and it he was somebody who I think felt like
1142
00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:44.639
no matter what trials and tribulations TNA goes through, they
1143
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:47.079
would always make him a priority to treat well because
1144
00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:49.480
of what he had contributed, how hard he had worked,
1145
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:51.239
what he had meant to that company. And you could
1146
00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:54.880
tell he was hurt by the fact that they decided
1147
00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:57.920
not to give him what seemed like a fair contract
1148
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:01.519
renewal offer. I know you you you know you were
1149
00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:04.519
in When was your last TNA match, because when when
1150
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:07.039
I talked about last year, you you were inactive for
1151
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:07.679
all of this year.
1152
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:11.639
Yeah. Well I was just real quick said, note my
1153
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:15.159
last match was the Feast of Fire match. Yeah, that
1154
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:17.599
was like in November December or something like that. Yeah,
1155
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:23.320
and then except for me emailing the travel guy my
1156
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:29.119
independent dates. But I still I might still be on
1157
00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:31.360
Tema payrolls. I don't know. No one's even called me
1158
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:33.239
to tell me I'm not. No one even told my
1159
00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:36.280
contracts up. I legit have not talked to nobody in
1160
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:39.760
tem A on the phone in six months.
1161
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:43.320
So well, let's get into it. I was gonna I
1162
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:44.920
want to talk about AJ two, but we're kind of
1163
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:46.840
they kind of overlap because they're both around the same
1164
00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:50.239
time period. His last match around the same time as
1165
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:51.920
your last match, you know, within a few weeks here
1166
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:55.599
or there, and uh AJ does his contract comes due,
1167
00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:58.519
he goes through negotiations, it doesn't work out, and he leaves. Well,
1168
00:59:58.599 --> 00:59:59.800
I want to talk about him for a second, and
1169
00:59:59.840 --> 01:00:01.599
that I'll use that as a transition to talking about
1170
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:04.840
your situation, which is which is similar? Were you when
1171
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:06.800
you found out and you're not at the You're not
1172
01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:08.840
backstage when this is going on, you're not at the shows.
1173
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:11.440
Uh But when you found out AJ is done for
1174
01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:13.679
real and he's starting to take R O H and
1175
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:16.440
Japan dates, what went through your head? Were you shocked
1176
01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:17.960
or did you kind of think maybe this is the
1177
01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:18.920
way TNA was at it?
1178
01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:23.280
Of course some shocked. I mean this guy is the
1179
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:25.360
face of t and A. I mean, I don't care
1180
01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:28.480
you can put whoever is the chance now for tn
1181
01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:31.519
A or whoever's in charge of the creative AJ is
1182
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:32.440
still going to be the face.
1183
01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:34.000
You know.
1184
01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:36.039
You know, we think if you think you speak P
1185
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:38.400
and A Asian styles, the top three names you.
1186
01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:44.239
Think of, yeah, you know the first yeah, Sam Jones
1187
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:44.559
in there.
1188
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:48.519
Yeah, I mean A j is always you know, if
1189
01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:52.360
you say you say Jeff Jerry or yeah, a stous
1190
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:54.760
you know, the first or second name that comes out
1191
01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:58.320
of your mind, no matter what era exactly.
1192
01:00:58.679 --> 01:00:58.880
Yep.
1193
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:02.920
And this guy can messle with anyone. He can make
1194
01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:05.960
anybody look good. You know, I've seen it in my
1195
01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:08.599
own eyes. He's made some guys that shouldn't be in
1196
01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:11.960
the ring are still betrayed, and he made them look
1197
01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:17.840
like a million bucks. And I think he's that's another problem,
1198
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:21.960
that kind of mind where I got six year old
1199
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:25.559
white guys telling me how to be more hispanic. There's
1200
01:01:25.599 --> 01:01:28.840
I don't think there's those creve guys knew how to
1201
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:34.400
push AJ's character the right way without making him kickish
1202
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:35.920
or you know a seven.
1203
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:40.000
Guy, or or awful things like Rick Blair Junior that
1204
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:42.800
just didn't fit him, you know, like it got weird side.
1205
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:46.199
This guy is the most talented guy, you know, talented
1206
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:46.880
guy I've ever.
1207
01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:47.320
Been a ring with.
1208
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:50.280
And for them to not even know what to do
1209
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:51.519
with him, this is ridiculous.
1210
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:54.639
I've said, and I've said this multiple times over a
1211
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:57.360
long span of time, that I thought it seemed obvious
1212
01:01:57.440 --> 01:02:01.119
to me that AJ the way that the way to
1213
01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:03.320
book and wasn't to put him into you know if
1214
01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:06.519
he's a if he's a round peg into a square hole,
1215
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:09.559
and try to force him into you know, Rick Clair Junior,
1216
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:11.559
or and you don't, and then you don't take what
1217
01:02:11.679 --> 01:02:14.320
would be perceived by a lot of people fair unfair,
1218
01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:16.639
and go, well, listen to that accent. He's a heck,
1219
01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:19.519
let's play up on that. Let's pretend his his mom
1220
01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:22.639
has no teeth and his dad is married to his sister. Like,
1221
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:25.000
you don't do that either, That's just stupid. That's like
1222
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:28.119
wwe just constantly talking for six months about all all
1223
01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:30.760
of Daniel Brian's weaknesses because they didn't want him to
1224
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:33.079
be as over as he was, or they didn't understand it,
1225
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:36.320
and the fans persevered with aj. I always thought he
1226
01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:38.599
was kind of like Peter Parker Clark Kent. He's a
1227
01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:43.440
guy who is is unassuming and ordinary in in in
1228
01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:48.199
is in polite and and completely you wouldn't look at
1229
01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:50.960
him and go, this guy is a superhero. And then
1230
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:52.480
as soon as he gets in front of a crowd,
1231
01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:54.239
and as soon as he walks into the ring, he's
1232
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:57.199
the most phenomenal superhero you can imagine. In the ring,
1233
01:02:57.400 --> 01:03:01.039
everything he does looks better than even a basic move
1234
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:04.159
looks better. Evan Borne is another guy that I think
1235
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:06.599
of that way. He takes ordinary moves and makes them spectacular,
1236
01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:09.280
and then he tops it with spectacular moves. And I
1237
01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:12.239
thought like playing off that dichotomy of what he's like.
1238
01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:18.480
Is this polite, unassuming guy, dresses well, talks, talks, you know, politely.
1239
01:03:18.559 --> 01:03:21.280
He's the guy that you'd want your daughter to bring
1240
01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:23.000
home for dinner. And then boom, he gets in the
1241
01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:25.119
ring and it's a superhero. Now you're playing to his strength.
1242
01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:28.119
You're playing into something that's really him, which is a
1243
01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:31.159
super nice guy outside the ring and an incredible superhero
1244
01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:34.119
inside the ring. Why fight that? That's something you embrace
1245
01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:36.559
the same reason you embraced stone cold Steve Austin. If
1246
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:39.760
he didn't go well, let's let's make him Hollywood stunning Steve.
1247
01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:44.199
Let's make him a beer swagging, Southern deer hunting, pickup
1248
01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:48.079
truck driving stone cold Steve Boston. And it took vincick
1249
01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:49.480
Man a little while to figure that out, but when
1250
01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:51.920
he embraced who he was, it worked. And I feel
1251
01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:54.400
like they never embraced the positives of aj in all
1252
01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:56.639
those years, and they turned him and complicated things in
1253
01:03:56.719 --> 01:03:58.880
the Southern Hick and the Rick Flair Junior. It just
1254
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:01.320
it was frustrating watching all those years because I felt
1255
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:04.840
that Creative let down. AJ He persevered because the fans
1256
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:08.000
loved him, but Creative never, for at least not a
1257
01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:09.760
long spent a time ever really tapped into who he
1258
01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:10.960
was and what made him marketable.
1259
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:15.320
Well, you know, all these all these companies when those
1260
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:19.119
movies TV shows now are trying to capitalize the comic
1261
01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:22.480
book superhero market. Yep, and you nail right in the head.
1262
01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:24.639
I've in my opinion, I've never even heard it that way.
1263
01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:30.280
You know, have ah be your real life comic bookuro yep.
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01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:33.480
But but yeah, the guy who his phone booth is
1265
01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:37.079
walking from backstage onto the stage, you know, that's kind
1266
01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:38.719
of his proverbial phone booth. He goes from the regular
1267
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:41.320
unassuming guy boom he gets on stage, and then his
1268
01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:44.679
whole personality changes. And it just it seemed obvious to
1269
01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:46.320
me eight years ago, you know, or ten years ago,
1270
01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:49.719
and and uh, but yeah, they kept doing weird stuff
1271
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:52.480
with him and either you know, the Southern Hicks stuff
1272
01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:54.360
which you just row your eyes at. And but I know,
1273
01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:57.119
but the thing is too I've heard that there's people
1274
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:00.320
in w w WE, very top people who who turned
1275
01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:03.679
away from AJ even signing him now, because they felt
1276
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:06.760
like his Southern accent made it impossible to push him.
1277
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:10.119
And I mean, that's just freaking North East snobbery. You know,
1278
01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:13.239
that's just that's just Manhattan, New York City snobbery. And
1279
01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:17.440
it's it's so small minded and short sighted to think
1280
01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:19.519
that that's a factor at all that should hold hold
1281
01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:21.000
back what you can make, the money you can make
1282
01:05:21.039 --> 01:05:21.360
with AJ.
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01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:27.400
I'm speakless if that's that's really the case. I mean,
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01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:30.239
this guy, I mean, as soon as he puts some
1285
01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:34.320
bootom brother, I mean, I know it. I mean, you
1286
01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:37.599
you know if if in the impact fans had seen it,
1287
01:05:37.719 --> 01:05:43.159
you know, he's wrestled everybody there, and he's up everyone's game,
1288
01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:47.760
from samo Jo to Kurdangle. You know, it's normal keep
1289
01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:50.920
the matches were you know some of those when when
1290
01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:53.559
given enough time, where you know people have the quality
1291
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:57.119
matches and you're getting in six minutes because this guy
1292
01:05:57.239 --> 01:05:58.559
cares so much about the product.
1293
01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:09.480
Yes, are you a fan of AW looking to sit back,
1294
01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:12.679
relax and listen to some like minded podcasters who share
1295
01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:15.039
your passion? Do you want to be topped off the
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01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:17.440
ledge after a segment that has you wondering what the
1297
01:06:17.559 --> 01:06:19.920
heck are they thinking? Do you want to join a
1298
01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:23.079
discussion on what AW is doing right and what they
1299
01:06:23.119 --> 01:06:25.960
could do to improve? Then join me Joel and me
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01:06:26.119 --> 01:06:26.760
Greg for the.
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I do want to just note t and a related
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01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:00.559
news just the impact last night at one point zero
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two rating. It is the fifth week in a row
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01:07:02.840 --> 01:07:04.760
they drew a rating above a one point oh mark
1310
01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:06.559
in the sixth out of seventh week. They've done that
1311
01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:10.079
after spending most or all of May and most of
1312
01:07:10.239 --> 01:07:14.599
June below point nine in the point eight something range.
1313
01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:17.480
So the ratings are up a bit and they're right
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01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:19.000
on pace with where they were last year and the
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01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:22.039
year before. One point two last night, one year ago,
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01:07:22.119 --> 01:07:24.679
this week, one point three or last week, and one
1317
01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:27.519
year ago, two years ago last week A one point one.
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01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:29.559
It was three years ago that they were on a
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01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:31.639
rating surge with a one point one to nine rating,
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01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:38.239
but nevertheless some decent numbers for T and A. The
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I want to before we moved to the VIP after show,
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01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:45.280
and we'll get more into how T and A the
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01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:49.199
lack of communication with informing you as this tenure veteran
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01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:52.400
of their company. I want to get into detail on
1325
01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:54.280
that in the VIP after show with our VIP members.
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01:07:54.440 --> 01:07:55.880
I also want to talk a little bit more about
1327
01:07:56.079 --> 01:07:59.000
the current TV situation with them. But one thing we
1328
01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:01.800
talked about, they kind of screwed up AJ. It seemed,
1329
01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:04.000
you know, doesn't seem like I think there's a consensus,
1330
01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:06.000
and they screwed up AJ over and over. I thought
1331
01:08:06.039 --> 01:08:12.000
there was a real interesting exchange with in Newsday Today
1332
01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:16.000
with Paul Hayman and Alfonso Castillo, who is a friend
1333
01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:19.520
of the Torch, long time tor subscriber and A does
1334
01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:23.159
really good pieces for News Day about wrestling. And this
1335
01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:24.800
has to do also with my exchange with Haas a
1336
01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:27.319
couple of weeks ago on Twitter because I was critical
1337
01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:30.920
Hernandez of T and A showing up in New York
1338
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:34.239
and the first thing they do. In the first segment,
1339
01:08:34.479 --> 01:08:36.920
the first time they tape in New York is talk
1340
01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:39.399
about have Tommy Dreamer to give a teary eyed nostalgiic
1341
01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:43.000
interview about nineteen ninety seven ECW. ECW wasn't exactly the
1342
01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:46.279
nWo or Stone Cold. It was great for what it was,
1343
01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:48.359
but I sort of feel like after a dozen years,
1344
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:50.520
TNA should have its own things to talk about when
1345
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:52.640
they get to New York for the first time, TAZ
1346
01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:53.920
was kind of like but the crowd loved it, and
1347
01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:55.880
we kind of went back and forth and had our exchanges.
1348
01:08:56.239 --> 01:08:58.439
I thought, what would Paul Hayman have to say about this?
1349
01:08:58.520 --> 01:08:59.920
And I want to get your reaction to this too,
1350
01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:03.159
because you were around TNA during so many identity crises,
1351
01:09:03.239 --> 01:09:05.279
and Paul Hayman has been pretty outspoken over the years.
1352
01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:07.520
I don't know, Hey, that's overstating it. When he's been asked,
1353
01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:10.920
he's responded and said that t ANDA lacked that that
1354
01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:14.880
really reason to exist, that that that identity that when
1355
01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:16.600
you thought of TNA, you go, that's what makes it
1356
01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:19.560
different than WWE. Here's Paul Hayman's words with the lead
1357
01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:23.520
in from Alfonso asking him in this question and again
1358
01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:25.600
this is that news day dot Com today. You brought
1359
01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:28.159
up ECW at one of those TNAA things recently at
1360
01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:31.720
the Manhattan Center. It was again another ECW revival. It
1361
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:34.239
was Taz and Rhino and everyone else talking about ECW
1362
01:09:34.399 --> 01:09:37.439
and soliciting ECW chance from the crowd. There ended up
1363
01:09:37.479 --> 01:09:39.359
being a back and forth between Taz and Wade Keller
1364
01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:41.640
or the progressing Torch about how the how relevant this
1365
01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:44.079
is anymore? Is it time to move on when you
1366
01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:47.479
see that kind of thing, the umpteenth ECW revival. Is
1367
01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:49.239
it heartwarming for you to know that there's still that
1368
01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:51.640
passion for something you helped create, or do you think
1369
01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:54.159
it's also kind of time to move on? So Hayman
1370
01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:55.640
and I was really interested to hear what he said
1371
01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:58.279
about this, and this is I think really noteworthy. He says,
1372
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:02.039
I think it's very much for anybody and everybody to
1373
01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:04.359
move on, especially on a product that you're trying to
1374
01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:07.119
push forward. Nostalgia tours are great, but not in a
1375
01:10:07.199 --> 01:10:10.079
youth oriented and dominated industry. I think the lesson learned
1376
01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:11.880
in all this is that Spike TV didn't renew them,
1377
01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:13.479
and one of the reasons has to be that the
1378
01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:16.079
most passionate reaction they can get is for a product
1379
01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:17.960
that went away in two thousand and one, and they've
1380
01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:20.239
been trying to brand themselves since their inception and they
1381
01:10:20.319 --> 01:10:22.680
can't get it done. They should have spent that time
1382
01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:24.760
and energy trying to brand themselves and not trying to
1383
01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:27.479
elicit a response of an audience based on a product
1384
01:10:27.520 --> 01:10:31.920
that they don't even own. Heurnett is your thoughts on that,
1385
01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:34.520
because so many times ECW is just kind of back
1386
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:36.560
and forth trying to come up with different identities, and
1387
01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:38.720
I think Paul Hayman just hit it right on the head.
1388
01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:41.399
T Anda by now should be talking about something besides
1389
01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:43.199
Tommy Dreamer ninety seven nostalgia.
1390
01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:48.359
Well, first, that's the person I've heard of this two
1391
01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:52.479
What was there to say? It means he gets the
1392
01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:55.039
nail lay on the heads? Yeah, you know, I mean
1393
01:10:55.399 --> 01:11:01.199
you've had what twelve years and I know you know
1394
01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:04.239
people always say to you know with WB he's had
1395
01:11:04.319 --> 01:11:07.439
fIF years perfect their product, this and that. But after
1396
01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:11.640
twelve years, you've had your own style of RUSS and
1397
01:11:11.680 --> 01:11:14.319
you have the six sides you had, in my opinion,
1398
01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:17.520
the best for us in the world AJ styles in
1399
01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:20.000
your ring and you cannot find a way to make
1400
01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:25.079
him a prossover star. Yeah, you know, and you know
1401
01:11:25.159 --> 01:11:27.439
you put him in the ring and he you know,
1402
01:11:28.039 --> 01:11:33.199
and the elevated you know, matches with Christian Cage, with
1403
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:38.319
Kurt Engle, every WD guy you bought the to your show,
1404
01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:41.840
and he still accepts and you still can't find a
1405
01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:43.560
way through that. And you know, so I know what
1406
01:11:43.640 --> 01:11:46.600
we'll do. We'll still keep pushing a former w D
1407
01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:53.159
guys and we're going to add the ECW elements. Yeah. Yeah,
1408
01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:55.159
I mean I remember one year, I can't remember what
1409
01:11:55.279 --> 01:11:57.199
year was. I think it was a year I said,
1410
01:11:57.199 --> 01:11:58.800
I just said, screw it. I went to when I
1411
01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:01.439
went to Mexico when they had and all ew pay
1412
01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:05.720
per view at p and A like hard like the
1413
01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:10.199
hardcore Justice Preva was all former eastw guys. I was
1414
01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:13.800
like what, And I'm you know, why do you know,
1415
01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:15.119
why do I want to go back to that?
1416
01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:19.079
For you know, it's almost like Tommy Dreamer and Bully
1417
01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:22.960
Ray and I mean Taz and some mix of those people,
1418
01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:24.439
not necessarily every one of them, but the mix of
1419
01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:27.840
XCCW guys. It's like they just kind of snow Dixie
1420
01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:31.680
Carter con Dixie Carter into making sure that the brand,
1421
01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:35.000
the ECW brand, stays alive and that the stars who
1422
01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:37.680
aren't with WWE but are affiliated with ECW and work
1423
01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:41.239
these reunion shows like Rhino, that they have some national
1424
01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:44.039
TV exposure so that they could go make money, not
1425
01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:46.439
with TNA involved, but just go make money on their
1426
01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:50.720
own hardcore revival, hardcore reunion type shows. And it's like,
1427
01:12:51.079 --> 01:12:53.239
it just feels like that's where I think Dixie comes
1428
01:12:53.279 --> 01:12:57.199
up short as a leader, or or is taken advantage
1429
01:12:57.199 --> 01:13:00.760
of by people who are looking out for them, or
1430
01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:03.199
they're just so in love with ECW they're blinded to
1431
01:13:03.239 --> 01:13:05.640
the idea that this is not what's really best for TNA.
1432
01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:09.760
Well, I really think you said it correctly. I mean,
1433
01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:13.319
they're this snow in the lady, you know. I think
1434
01:13:13.479 --> 01:13:17.159
her biggest fault is she's can be sometimes too nice
1435
01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:21.119
and can be smoking mirrored into a different direction with
1436
01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:25.640
people who are supposedly for the best interest of product. Yes,
1437
01:13:26.199 --> 01:13:30.279
you know, if you were doing a TNA and you
1438
01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:33.600
are not doing or the Universal Studios anymore, and this
1439
01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:36.520
is all what I don't know anything about this. I'm
1440
01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:38.840
going from what you're saying and what people are telling
1441
01:13:38.920 --> 01:13:43.439
me that they're no longer in Orlando. So you go
1442
01:13:43.520 --> 01:13:47.039
to New York, go in the Manhattan Center, and you're
1443
01:13:47.119 --> 01:13:49.600
going to start ECW stuffs.
1444
01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:52.199
Yep, which I mean has literally came out in the
1445
01:13:52.279 --> 01:13:56.279
crowd and gave a speech from the crowd saying, back
1446
01:13:56.359 --> 01:13:58.960
in the late nineties, we felt something in the locker room,
1447
01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:00.920
and I feel the same thing today behind the scenes
1448
01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:04.199
in TNA. And I'm like, that's the same speed whole
1449
01:14:04.239 --> 01:14:07.920
Cogan gage on TV that was in the opening segment
1450
01:14:07.960 --> 01:14:10.239
when TNA Mike Today introduced Jongo, we are in New
1451
01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:12.279
York City for the first time, and then what do
1452
01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:16.159
we get? You literally had a segment with Bully Ray Rhino,
1453
01:14:16.439 --> 01:14:18.880
Taz and Tommy Dreamer and you know, Tommy's shedding a
1454
01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:22.079
tear talking about nineteen ninety seven, ninety eighty CW. That
1455
01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:24.439
was the very first segment. And then on Twitter, I
1456
01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:27.680
just said, hey, I think TNA ought to have their
1457
01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:31.640
own identity by now, not not another ECW revival on
1458
01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:35.840
national television. TNA should have something better and more. That's
1459
01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:38.479
their identity. And Taz kind of you know task, I mean,
1460
01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:41.479
he took got very defensive about it and said, well,
1461
01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:42.760
the crowd liked it, and you know, what do you
1462
01:14:42.800 --> 01:14:44.600
think we're here to do? And and you know, he
1463
01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:46.960
asked me, what are we here to do? And I responded,
1464
01:14:47.399 --> 01:14:49.359
I said, I think you're here to create stars and
1465
01:14:50.039 --> 01:14:52.800
create anticipation for matches that will draw the largest crowd possible,
1466
01:14:52.960 --> 01:14:55.640
the largest TV ratings and live attendance. And I think
1467
01:14:55.720 --> 01:14:57.600
Tas thought my answer should be pleased with fans in
1468
01:14:57.640 --> 01:14:59.800
the building, but it wasn't. You shouldn't just try to please.
1469
01:14:59.800 --> 01:15:01.840
If you one hundred fans in a building who showed
1470
01:15:01.920 --> 01:15:06.319
up to see ECW revival stuff, TNA should be aspiring
1471
01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:09.199
much higher. And I think in a way, I think
1472
01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:11.359
they thought, well, if we have an enthusiastic crowd in
1473
01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:14.720
New York Despike, TV Viacom officials would think we're really
1474
01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:17.039
hot product. If Taz goes out and gives a speech
1475
01:15:17.039 --> 01:15:19.199
about how I feel the same thing, brother, it's just
1476
01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:21.159
around of Hogan doing the same thing a few years back.
1477
01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:23.560
I feel the same, I feel excitement in the locker room.
1478
01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:25.800
It always felt like those speeches were given more to
1479
01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:29.239
get Dixie excited or TV executives excited, but they didn't
1480
01:15:29.239 --> 01:15:32.520
really help the product because fans don't want to hear
1481
01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:34.760
about potential. They just want a good show. They tuned
1482
01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:36.720
in today to see a good show, not to hear
1483
01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:38.560
about how how what the morale is like in the
1484
01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:39.079
locker room.
1485
01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:43.239
Well I liked Taz, I mean I liked, you know,
1486
01:15:43.640 --> 01:15:45.359
I do too, like when I liked when I like
1487
01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:48.880
when he commented my matches the Mexicans here in Houston
1488
01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:52.000
when he comes to the matches if it was very cool.
1489
01:15:52.479 --> 01:15:55.600
But I mean I had to teach agree because I
1490
01:15:55.640 --> 01:15:58.560
mean I would stay deep down the teen A original
1491
01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:00.800
guys were the guys who were in the ec W
1492
01:16:01.800 --> 01:16:05.560
or WVEE or you know, or like the step child
1493
01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:08.399
when giving them speeches, and these guys were in the
1494
01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:10.960
ring like that, you know, like I wasn't there. I
1495
01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:13.520
don't know how how the vibe was, and I'm not
1496
01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:15.640
trying to say I do, but I know I would
1497
01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:18.399
feel left out as stepchild if I'm trying to promote
1498
01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:23.000
my brand is t and A and you were bringing
1499
01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:25.880
about stuff you know almost twenty years ago?
1500
01:16:26.359 --> 01:16:29.560
Yeah it's crazy, Yeah, it was that last seventeen I mean.
1501
01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:34.159
You know, eighteen years ago was eighteen years ago. I
1502
01:16:34.239 --> 01:16:36.079
mean I had I had hair in eighteen years ago.
1503
01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:39.079
You don't see me so ninety eight I had hair,
1504
01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:41.840
or you know, I was thirty and then I was
1505
01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:43.760
third in the nation drug three poets. You don't see
1506
01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:46.039
me talking about back in ninety eight. You know I
1507
01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:49.319
was eight o eight squatter. That doesn't make any sense.
1508
01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:50.720
I mean, so much has happened.
1509
01:16:50.760 --> 01:16:54.199
Maybe, yeah, yeah, maybe. You know, if you're you know
1510
01:16:54.279 --> 01:16:57.560
old army event in your you know, nursing home, you're
1511
01:16:57.560 --> 01:17:00.680
gonna talk about back in my day cool. But on
1512
01:17:01.479 --> 01:17:05.680
television is trying to promote another product bringing up there.
1513
01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:09.079
That's like having a co commercial and you talk about,
1514
01:17:09.720 --> 01:17:11.319
you know what you did for Pepsi before you.
1515
01:17:11.359 --> 01:17:16.800
Got there, yeah, or or talking a lot about Blockbuster
1516
01:17:17.479 --> 01:17:19.920
video as if it's you know, like it just it
1517
01:17:20.079 --> 01:17:21.439
just sort of feels like we kind of moved on,
1518
01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:24.520
like the Blockbusters are are bordered up, they're gone, and
1519
01:17:25.039 --> 01:17:28.279
it's completely different world now, and yeah, it's just it's
1520
01:17:28.359 --> 01:17:31.520
it's I was especially frustrated because I'm rooting for TNA.
1521
01:17:32.159 --> 01:17:35.039
I'm rooting for anybody and everybody unbiasedly, evenly. I don't
1522
01:17:35.079 --> 01:17:36.680
have a dog in the fight, but I want to
1523
01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:39.439
see good wrestling and I want to have good wrestling
1524
01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:40.680
to cover. I don't want to I don't want to
1525
01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:42.760
ask more to complain about than to compliment, and I
1526
01:17:42.840 --> 01:17:46.039
want to see wrestlers who have worked so hard. You know,
1527
01:17:46.119 --> 01:17:48.039
Pas talked on Twitter about how hard the locker room,
1528
01:17:48.039 --> 01:17:50.399
how hard everybody in TNA works, and he thought that
1529
01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:54.640
by my being critical of centering the opening segment around ECW,
1530
01:17:54.880 --> 01:17:56.560
not those show, but the opening and closing segment a
1531
01:17:56.600 --> 01:17:59.159
little bit in the middle around ECW nostalgia, I thought
1532
01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:02.479
that's not so serving the efforts of all the talent. Ideally,
1533
01:18:02.680 --> 01:18:04.960
you know, if the guys are working hard, the creative
1534
01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:07.000
should be there to support it. And that's what frustrated me.
1535
01:18:08.760 --> 01:18:12.800
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1540
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01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:39.960
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If you're joining us bid show here, run on our
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01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:55.119
fifteen minutes into it times Flying by Hernandez from formerly
1549
01:18:55.199 --> 01:18:58.520
of TNA is my guest on today's program. And if
1550
01:18:58.560 --> 01:19:00.359
you did join us in progress, you're just getting off
1551
01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:02.199
work and you want to sneak in really quick in
1552
01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:04.760
our final minutes live on the free show, you can
1553
01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:06.319
call right now. I know when I mentioned the VP
1554
01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:08.119
after show a couple of callers dropped off, thinking I
1555
01:19:08.199 --> 01:19:10.479
wasn't gonna sneak in another call or too, But I
1556
01:19:10.560 --> 01:19:11.760
will do that. So if you want to call in
1557
01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:15.800
six four, six, seven, nine, two eight, we'll make it quick.
1558
01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:17.439
We'll move to the VP after show, hit a couple
1559
01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:19.479
of subjects and wrap up. But we do have one
1560
01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:20.960
one person who's been on a whole a while here
1561
01:19:20.960 --> 01:19:22.720
and I want to get to him Eric him or
1562
01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:24.960
her three four seven, Please state your name in the
1563
01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:25.720
city you're calling from.
1564
01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:29.840
Uh. Hello, this is Christian New York, Hey.
1565
01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:31.680
Chris, thanks for calling. What have you got for Hernandez today?
1566
01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:33.800
I'll find I.
1567
01:19:33.880 --> 01:19:36.960
Got two quick questions to you guys. The first one
1568
01:19:37.039 --> 01:19:39.319
is about T and A. If T and A does
1569
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:42.079
lose the Spike TV deal and go back to Fox
1570
01:19:42.199 --> 01:19:45.640
Sports Net, will that be They'll still be a live
1571
01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:47.680
but will that be a real blow in terms of
1572
01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:51.840
them having to start over again? And the second question
1573
01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:55.439
is about with all this talk about the network, do
1574
01:19:55.479 --> 01:19:58.560
you guys think they should have just paige status quo
1575
01:19:58.760 --> 01:20:00.800
and just kept the paper you the way they are
1576
01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:02.720
and just try the network.
1577
01:20:03.159 --> 01:20:06.760
Later on R Chris, I will point you to Tuesday's
1578
01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:10.720
show with Jason Powell. We went in depth on my
1579
01:20:11.039 --> 01:20:13.560
especially I gave my opinion on whether they made mistakes
1580
01:20:13.600 --> 01:20:15.000
with the network. It might have been in the VIP
1581
01:20:15.119 --> 01:20:18.239
after show, but I definitely went in depth on whether
1582
01:20:18.279 --> 01:20:21.479
I feel like the network pay per view gamble they
1583
01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:24.239
took earlier this year was worth it or not. As
1584
01:20:24.279 --> 01:20:27.439
Trenande said earlier, he's not following WWB super closer right now.
1585
01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:30.760
But as for the As for the first topic, you
1586
01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:33.119
were there for a lot of the journeys of TNA
1587
01:20:33.319 --> 01:20:35.000
with you know, the next thing is going to be
1588
01:20:35.359 --> 01:20:38.079
getting onto Fox Sports, and the next thing is going
1589
01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:41.079
to be getting onto Prime Time, and the next thing
1590
01:20:41.199 --> 01:20:43.640
is going to be to be on a bigger network.
1591
01:20:43.680 --> 01:20:45.800
And then the next thing is going to be pay
1592
01:20:45.880 --> 01:20:48.119
per view or cutting back on pay per views, or
1593
01:20:48.159 --> 01:20:50.600
taking the show live on the road, or getting a
1594
01:20:50.600 --> 01:20:52.680
whole cocing in to give the brand identity. There were
1595
01:20:52.760 --> 01:20:55.359
so many things where you're just that one next step away.
1596
01:20:56.119 --> 01:20:59.800
What was that like roller coaster wise for you? Or
1597
01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:01.920
do you just kind of show up and just do
1598
01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:05.560
your thing and let that business side stuff. You just
1599
01:21:05.640 --> 01:21:07.119
kind of grew numb to it after a while.
1600
01:21:09.039 --> 01:21:11.359
More of the latter, you know, you hear you know,
1601
01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:15.600
you know, you see that you've seen the Peanuts where
1602
01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:19.000
Lucy holds the football round goes for the kick and
1603
01:21:20.439 --> 01:21:24.840
call in your ass. Yeah, that's that's pretty much how
1604
01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:28.439
I how it went in TNA with not with just
1605
01:21:29.479 --> 01:21:33.039
the big promises and you know, the empty promises, or
1606
01:21:33.199 --> 01:21:37.439
you know, just dangling the carrot for myself or not
1607
01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:40.239
not just me. I mean, you know, there's was at
1608
01:21:40.279 --> 01:21:42.479
the time, send me some rustlers on the show, so
1609
01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:44.920
no telling them what they were telling other rustlers to say.
1610
01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:47.319
Now story oh, we got this big push. There's this
1611
01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:50.119
big angle, you know. I remember in two thousand and
1612
01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:54.079
nine I broke my neck, you know, and they dangled
1613
01:21:54.119 --> 01:21:56.199
a carrot. Hey man, you come you know you.
1614
01:21:56.199 --> 01:21:56.760
Can come back.
1615
01:21:57.239 --> 01:21:58.920
You know we'll give this big singles push.
1616
01:21:59.520 --> 01:21:59.680
You know.
1617
01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:03.159
I came back in two months. I had an exfusion.
1618
01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:08.319
I put my five C four five were pinched together
1619
01:22:08.359 --> 01:22:10.800
and I gotta I gotta canaver this and excuse my
1620
01:22:10.920 --> 01:22:14.560
night together. Most guys come back after six months, now
1621
01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:17.239
I know why they come back to much. But I
1622
01:22:17.359 --> 01:22:19.800
felt for a carrot and I came back in two.
1623
01:22:20.560 --> 01:22:25.720
Yeah, yeah, I mean, uh, was there ever? Do you
1624
01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:28.000
have an era? And I'll wrap up on this one
1625
01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:29.199
because I don't want to. I don't want to takeup
1626
01:22:29.199 --> 01:22:30.159
too much your time here, and I do want to
1627
01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:33.119
have a little VIP exclusive conversation with you after the
1628
01:22:33.199 --> 01:22:35.560
live show was here. But was there a moment that
1629
01:22:35.680 --> 01:22:39.520
you were most optimistic about TNA's upside about where they
1630
01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:40.760
were head? It was there kind of a moment in
1631
01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:42.960
time or some things that trigger you in terms of
1632
01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:44.880
people being around or things happening where you were like,
1633
01:22:45.319 --> 01:22:46.880
this is it, and maybe you were in sync with
1634
01:22:46.920 --> 01:22:48.520
the locker room thinking this is it. We're gonna make,
1635
01:22:48.560 --> 01:22:49.680
We're gonna get to that next level.
1636
01:22:50.359 --> 01:22:55.399
No, okay, I mean you get Krangle, you get Booker T,
1637
01:22:55.640 --> 01:22:59.039
you get Kim Nash, you get scot x Pop, all
1638
01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:04.720
those guys doing that. You know, Legendsville, that didn't work. Yeah,
1639
01:23:04.720 --> 01:23:08.000
I made that Mathiam So staying in Mafia. Yeah, you know,
1640
01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:12.520
and then that didn't work, and then you get, oh,
1641
01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:16.359
well stow that that was nothing. We'll bring Hogan and Bishop. Now,
1642
01:23:16.479 --> 01:23:18.199
those guys were very nice to me. Those guys are
1643
01:23:18.319 --> 01:23:22.359
very cool. When I spoke to them, they were very accessible. Yeah,
1644
01:23:22.520 --> 01:23:25.239
but I mean it was the same thing.
1645
01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:25.880
You know.
1646
01:23:26.439 --> 01:23:29.199
It's like when they said, oh we've got Krangle, we're
1647
01:23:29.199 --> 01:23:30.079
gonna go to the next level.
1648
01:23:30.439 --> 01:23:32.359
Yeah, nope, okay, we.
1649
01:23:32.399 --> 01:23:35.039
Got made in that box and going next level. Nope, okay,
1650
01:23:35.079 --> 01:23:40.720
we got Bishof and Hogan. Nope, brother, you can get gone.
1651
01:23:40.760 --> 01:23:42.199
And that's not gonna help team right now.
1652
01:23:42.760 --> 01:23:42.960
Yeah.
1653
01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:46.960
Yeah, Yeah, they're they're in a tough spot right now.
1654
01:23:46.960 --> 01:23:48.880
If that's fy TV deal falls through, and you know,
1655
01:23:49.000 --> 01:23:52.079
as Chris mentioned, maybe Fox Sports Net, Fox Sports One
1656
01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:54.880
or something like that. I just I don't think the
1657
01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:57.520
Carter family Dixie's parents are going to be paying for
1658
01:23:57.720 --> 01:24:01.439
TV time, for TNA for all there as you just mentioned, Sean,
1659
01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:04.520
I mean the fact that there's been so many times
1660
01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:06.359
that they've been told this is gonna do it, this
1661
01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:08.319
is gonna, this is gonna, this is gonna make us
1662
01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:10.600
solvent and take us to the next level. And you know,
1663
01:24:11.239 --> 01:24:14.439
having Hogan and Bishoff taking Impact on the road every
1664
01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:17.239
other week, live to to away from the Impact zone
1665
01:24:17.720 --> 01:24:20.119
and spending all that money, and that was supposed to
1666
01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:21.760
be you know, that was the final thing that Hogan
1667
01:24:21.800 --> 01:24:24.079
said would do it, brother, and it didn't. I don't
1668
01:24:24.199 --> 01:24:27.840
blame at all Dixie's parents just saying, you know, we
1669
01:24:27.880 --> 01:24:29.760
don't mind putting money into something that we have hoped for.
1670
01:24:30.279 --> 01:24:32.840
But you know, you guys need to be solvent on
1671
01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:35.159
your own because you know, if all these other things
1672
01:24:35.479 --> 01:24:38.199
big moves didn't work, there's just nothing convincing on the
1673
01:24:38.239 --> 01:24:40.199
horizon that would make us think it's gonna work out.
1674
01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:43.600
Well. The Color family is awesome, are you know. I've
1675
01:24:44.039 --> 01:24:47.600
met and spoken to all of them. They're very cool people,
1676
01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:49.560
but they're also you know, very smart.
1677
01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:50.079
This is people.
1678
01:24:50.079 --> 01:24:51.560
There's a reason why they're billionaires.
1679
01:24:52.079 --> 01:24:52.920
Yeah, if they go.
1680
01:24:53.079 --> 01:24:54.880
You know, I don't know anything about what's going on
1681
01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:57.159
with the TV and list, but I do know if
1682
01:24:57.199 --> 01:24:59.760
they go to Fox Sport Network or whatever like that,
1683
01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:04.680
you just regionalized in national te progress. Yeah, you know,
1684
01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:07.920
because I don't think every cable service has Fox Sports One.
1685
01:25:08.399 --> 01:25:11.079
Well, Fox Sports one has good penetration, but it's struggling.
1686
01:25:11.199 --> 01:25:13.079
I mean because it's it was It was launched last
1687
01:25:13.159 --> 01:25:15.600
year to be the competition to ESPN. The good side
1688
01:25:15.680 --> 01:25:17.239
is USC is on there, so there could be some
1689
01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:19.560
crossing promotion that'd be better than the Bellacho cross promotion.
1690
01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:23.720
Fox Sports one is pretty yeah, well, let's all the stuff.
1691
01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:26.880
Fox Sports one is pretty national. Fox Sports Net. You
1692
01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:29.279
would be subject to preemptions for local sports all the
1693
01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:31.359
time because those are the regional ones where baseball or
1694
01:25:31.399 --> 01:25:34.319
basketball or hockey game can pump you. Yeah, and that's
1695
01:25:34.399 --> 01:25:36.560
that's that's hard to gain momentum when people don't know
1696
01:25:36.600 --> 01:25:38.279
when to tune in to find you. Let me speak
1697
01:25:38.279 --> 01:25:40.960
in one more call here Erico three three six is here.
1698
01:25:41.359 --> 01:25:42.880
Please state your name of the city or calling from
1699
01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:47.439
the name is Rick from Greensboro, North Carolina. Hey, Rick,
1700
01:25:47.479 --> 01:25:49.399
thanks for Colin. What have you got for Hernettes?
1701
01:25:49.399 --> 01:25:49.640
Today.
1702
01:25:51.640 --> 01:25:54.720
I was serious and and there's any thanks for having me,
1703
01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:58.319
but I was curious, how is your relationship with Jeff
1704
01:25:58.399 --> 01:26:00.920
Jarrett And if the option were to.
1705
01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:04.159
Lay it safe, out lay itself out there for you,
1706
01:26:04.760 --> 01:26:07.079
would you consider going to gw F at a later
1707
01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:09.560
date or gfw people are gonna do that a lot.
1708
01:26:09.760 --> 01:26:14.359
But yeah, oh, JEMs is always you know, he's cool guy.
1709
01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:17.439
He's he's very young and hard, so he likes to
1710
01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:21.520
joke around stuff like that. I don't know anything about
1711
01:26:21.560 --> 01:26:24.319
his global deal. I have a few things I'm working
1712
01:26:24.439 --> 01:26:30.039
on and I can do divolge right now. But I'm
1713
01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:32.439
pretty positive you guys will get me on the national
1714
01:26:32.640 --> 01:26:33.760
scene smooth and later.
1715
01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:40.920
Yeah, I think I probably have an idea. But yeah, yeah, excellent.
1716
01:26:41.840 --> 01:26:45.439
Appreciate the question. Rick, Let's uh, let's go. I'm gonna
1717
01:26:45.479 --> 01:26:47.000
mention if you're not a VP member and you want
1718
01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:48.520
to buy guest, we're gonna talk a little bit more
1719
01:26:48.520 --> 01:26:50.159
if he has time after that long plug to talk
1720
01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:52.920
to me in the VIP after show. But Sean, I
1721
01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:54.479
want to know, do you have anything you want to
1722
01:26:54.680 --> 01:26:58.239
publicize in terms of upcoming appearances, your Twitter account, anything
1723
01:26:58.279 --> 01:26:59.640
you want to plug it all? If we wrap up.
1724
01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:06.439
Twitter account is super mechs CTM. It's not p and A,
1725
01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:08.800
supermanics superms, p and A and all that.
1726
01:27:09.319 --> 01:27:09.479
You know.
1727
01:27:09.560 --> 01:27:13.239
I remember the about for Boy that was in the
1728
01:27:13.319 --> 01:27:16.000
last October. They had a big poster for the meet
1729
01:27:16.039 --> 01:27:19.960
and Greek and that has you know, some Twitter held
1730
01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:26.880
that I use years ago. Last they made me, you know,
1731
01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:29.960
they made me get a Twitter account, but yet they
1732
01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:33.000
put some old false Twitter account on the all the
1733
01:27:33.039 --> 01:27:37.800
posters ahead of me, which was all they can do
1734
01:27:37.960 --> 01:27:38.239
is laugh.
1735
01:27:39.399 --> 01:27:44.800
So your Twitter handle is uh super max CTM. Yes, okay.
1736
01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:46.600
So they can also just type in by the way,
1737
01:27:46.640 --> 01:27:49.039
it'll come up. It's a verified account. You can type
1738
01:27:49.079 --> 01:27:52.439
in Sean Hernandez s h A w and Hernandez it'll
1739
01:27:52.479 --> 01:27:55.600
pop up. But it's super m e x C t
1740
01:27:56.199 --> 01:27:59.319
M is your Twitter so follow, follow you there and
1741
01:27:59.439 --> 01:27:59.920
anything else.
1742
01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:05.600
A big appearance tomorrow. I've run a small promotion in
1743
01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:08.279
Santorial where we're wrestling. We're doing the back to School
1744
01:28:08.359 --> 01:28:10.560
Drive with Kiss nine to nine point five at the
1745
01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:16.079
Freeman Coliseum. They'll give them three haircuts, free school supplies,
1746
01:28:16.760 --> 01:28:19.520
and free imanization for all the Santonio kids in the
1747
01:28:19.600 --> 01:28:24.159
area from nine to one, So Santornial fans, come out,
1748
01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:26.880
get your kids always square away for school.
1749
01:28:27.439 --> 01:28:29.960
Ex excellent, excellent, very good. You can follow me on
1750
01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:32.640
Twitter and you can find Showan's Twitter account on my
1751
01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:35.119
page two right now at z way Keller t A
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01:28:35.239 --> 01:28:37.560
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01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:10.079
It's been a great having you on. I hope you
1765
01:29:10.159 --> 01:29:11.840
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1766
01:29:12.079 --> 01:29:14.199
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1767
01:29:14.199 --> 01:29:16.239
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1768
01:29:17.079 --> 01:29:18.199
Sons great man, thanks.
1769
01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:21.840
For excellent Thank you so much. We oh I do
1770
01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:24.279
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1771
01:29:24.319 --> 01:29:27.039
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1772
01:29:27.119 --> 01:29:29.720
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1797
01:31:07.119 --> 01:31:10.199
Not all right, this is the BVF. You have to
1798
01:31:10.239 --> 01:31:14.359
show portion of the program, Sean. We touched on it
1799
01:31:14.399 --> 01:31:15.800
a few times. TCE did a few times. But I
1800
01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:17.920
want to talk about the way that you were let
1801
01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:20.239
go from TNA. I think it is so telling and
1802
01:31:20.439 --> 01:31:24.199
such an example. And there's so many examples over the
1803
01:31:24.279 --> 01:31:27.399
years of TNA and the way that the business side
1804
01:31:27.399 --> 01:31:29.920
of it is operated, and I think your example is
1805
01:31:30.039 --> 01:31:31.640
such a prime example.
1806
01:31:32.079 --> 01:31:33.760
For using blog talk radios.
1807
01:31:34.039 --> 01:31:34.439
Goodbye.
1808
01:31:34.680 --> 01:31:38.000
It's such a prime example of what makes people think
1809
01:31:38.239 --> 01:31:41.319
TNA just has not no hope, but such an uphill
1810
01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:44.960
battle because of the professionalism that they have in certain
1811
01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:46.600
ways and there's so many other examples of it that
1812
01:31:46.640 --> 01:31:49.960
are so diverse. But how does that again? Explain that
1813
01:31:50.039 --> 01:31:52.720
again because it's almost hard to believe you worked for
1814
01:31:52.800 --> 01:31:56.439
that company? Was it ten eleven years? What was the
1815
01:31:56.560 --> 01:31:58.720
grand total? Excluding I know you had some time away
1816
01:31:58.720 --> 01:31:59.439
in Mexico.
1817
01:31:59.199 --> 01:32:03.079
But straight it was from two March two thousand and
1818
01:32:03.159 --> 01:32:06.079
six to May of twenty fourteen that I had a
1819
01:32:06.680 --> 01:32:09.039
small run the League Guard in two thousand and three.
1820
01:32:09.439 --> 01:32:11.479
Okay, that's where that number it sticks out my head. Yeah,
1821
01:32:11.800 --> 01:32:16.079
So you've got years and years and years of dedication,
1822
01:32:16.880 --> 01:32:20.199
showing up for work, getting injured, coming back early, going
1823
01:32:20.199 --> 01:32:25.159
to Mexico to get better, coming back everything, and Tienna
1824
01:32:25.239 --> 01:32:28.560
gets so wrapped up and trying to and I appreciate
1825
01:32:28.640 --> 01:32:30.680
as a businessman that you've got to make sure you
1826
01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:33.279
have more money coming in than you're spending, or if
1827
01:32:33.319 --> 01:32:34.920
you're spending more than it's coming in, it better before
1828
01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:36.960
damn good reason. You know, investing in a new factory.
1829
01:32:37.079 --> 01:32:38.920
You know, if you're a car manufacturer, you got to
1830
01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:40.960
invest in new factory, your car wash, you got upgrade
1831
01:32:40.960 --> 01:32:43.720
the equipment. I get that. But so they're assuming cutbacks,
1832
01:32:43.760 --> 01:32:47.960
and that's understandable, and if they decided you were somebody
1833
01:32:47.960 --> 01:32:50.760
who was expendable, and they felt there were eighteen or
1834
01:32:50.800 --> 01:32:53.079
twenty four other guys who were better than you, So
1835
01:32:53.279 --> 01:32:55.399
be it, you know what. That's their call, and you
1836
01:32:55.479 --> 01:32:57.600
can agree to disagree with that, but everyone can then
1837
01:32:57.720 --> 01:33:00.000
just have a debate about it. That's but that's business.
1838
01:33:00.399 --> 01:33:03.520
But what what I think is jaw dropping for me
1839
01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:07.239
and other people is that after those years in that company,
1840
01:33:08.199 --> 01:33:11.840
the way you were let go again. I'm not I'm
1841
01:33:12.119 --> 01:33:14.840
I'm speaking for you. I've just dumbfounded. But is there
1842
01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:18.079
something that you're not telling us? They literally just stopped
1843
01:33:18.119 --> 01:33:20.439
using you and then stop paying you, and you have
1844
01:33:20.600 --> 01:33:22.600
yet to even officially get a notification from them.
1845
01:33:23.399 --> 01:33:27.520
Brother, my mama died in nineteen ninety five. I saw
1846
01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:33.960
mama's graves. I have not talked to anybody, email, texts,
1847
01:33:34.760 --> 01:33:38.119
phone call from Team May except for Bob Ryder giving
1848
01:33:38.319 --> 01:33:43.159
giving him and verify my independentate. Yeah since December. Now
1849
01:33:43.359 --> 01:33:50.680
you get a little marketing newsletter once a month. But
1850
01:33:50.760 --> 01:33:54.439
I mean, dude, you know, I mean the day I
1851
01:33:54.520 --> 01:33:56.439
didn't even know why I thought my contract was that
1852
01:33:56.560 --> 01:33:59.640
May fourteenth, and then May twelfth was a month I
1853
01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:03.079
woke up up. I don't got Twitter. My whole Twitter's
1854
01:34:03.079 --> 01:34:06.279
blowed up talking about that my contract expired, I'm not
1855
01:34:06.359 --> 01:34:10.439
going on the show Impact Wrestling and followed me on
1856
01:34:10.600 --> 01:34:16.279
Twitter What the fuck? Yeah? And then you know, so
1857
01:34:16.399 --> 01:34:18.760
I said, cool, I'm you know, I'm stoke. I'm a
1858
01:34:18.840 --> 01:34:21.159
grown man and I have kids. I don't you know
1859
01:34:21.319 --> 01:34:24.920
I was getting paid for six months, not no talking
1860
01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:28.079
to me, So we know, sitting Dixie a nice text
1861
01:34:28.159 --> 01:34:31.560
any thank you for eight years, very appreciated, you know,
1862
01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:35.159
no no begging, grabbling, that's you know, just thank you,
1863
01:34:35.199 --> 01:34:37.640
because I mean, you're done with me obviously. I don't need,
1864
01:34:38.640 --> 01:34:40.880
you know, to go back to you or vice versa.
1865
01:34:41.439 --> 01:34:45.000
And you know, I'm still waiting for the response text.
1866
01:34:46.640 --> 01:34:48.960
You're still waiting for her to respond to you. Yes,
1867
01:34:49.840 --> 01:34:54.159
Is there anything that can explain that in your mind,
1868
01:34:54.159 --> 01:34:57.159
even if it seems unfair or petty? Is there anything
1869
01:34:57.199 --> 01:35:00.159
that you said or did or on a personal our
1870
01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:03.640
business level where you could understand that front office excluding
1871
01:35:03.800 --> 01:35:10.079
you from a courtesy exchange that I mean, well, yeah.
1872
01:35:10.760 --> 01:35:16.880
I honestly think it was you know, they they just
1873
01:35:17.039 --> 01:35:20.640
did they did it to the value. Yeah, you know,
1874
01:35:20.880 --> 01:35:23.920
because I mean, here's you know, let's be realistic, you know,
1875
01:35:24.439 --> 01:35:28.560
Grant And I'm not delusion no more saying I know,
1876
01:35:28.720 --> 01:35:31.560
I know. I turned forty one in February. I'm in
1877
01:35:31.640 --> 01:35:33.920
the greatest I've been best shipped with my life since
1878
01:35:33.920 --> 01:35:37.920
I've been twenty years old. I cannot and roll with
1879
01:35:38.039 --> 01:35:41.439
anybody right now. And what else? You're gonna have a
1880
01:35:41.560 --> 01:35:44.600
big hispanic that can fight the rope, throw people around.
1881
01:35:44.920 --> 01:35:47.800
And not be five to seven and and and you
1882
01:35:47.880 --> 01:35:50.079
know what, and you got and I'm not. I haven't
1883
01:35:50.319 --> 01:35:52.399
in ninety minutes. I haven't kissed your ass at all.
1884
01:35:52.520 --> 01:35:55.079
But you've got a cool factor, you know what I'm saying. Like,
1885
01:35:55.119 --> 01:35:56.479
I don't say that just because I'm just sitting here
1886
01:35:56.479 --> 01:35:58.920
blown full. Like you, you stand in front of a
1887
01:35:59.000 --> 01:36:02.520
camera and you carry yourself like a badass. Who's a
1888
01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:05.279
cool guy. There's that, you know. That's what WWE likes.
1889
01:36:05.279 --> 01:36:07.359
The one of things about Roman Reigns is he's a
1890
01:36:07.439 --> 01:36:09.479
cool guy. He is you know, women want to date
1891
01:36:09.560 --> 01:36:10.880
him and guys want to to beer with him. You've
1892
01:36:10.920 --> 01:36:13.319
got that factor, and that's that's something that's helped you know,
1893
01:36:13.399 --> 01:36:15.319
Chabo grow for instance, that held him back and that's
1894
01:36:15.319 --> 01:36:18.560
what kind of steered him towards comedy, or had bookers
1895
01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:20.560
steer him towards comedy at times. Is you know he
1896
01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:23.439
didn't have that kind of cool street cred and you
1897
01:36:23.720 --> 01:36:25.920
have something that doesn't not everybody has.
1898
01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:30.920
Well, it's you know, it's the bad part about that
1899
01:36:31.439 --> 01:36:37.800
way is Dixie recognized it off the batch and all
1900
01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:41.720
the people who are born here in Texas, they understand
1901
01:36:41.760 --> 01:36:44.600
the Texas the Texas mex swagger or stuff like that,
1902
01:36:45.479 --> 01:36:47.880
and they will constantly tell them, trying to tell creative
1903
01:36:48.319 --> 01:36:50.359
this is doing all wrong. This is how you deal
1904
01:36:50.399 --> 01:36:53.560
with this guy. But you know, here's creative guys that
1905
01:36:53.640 --> 01:36:57.279
were with the WD inga barner. Here's this woman telling
1906
01:36:57.359 --> 01:36:59.560
him and you know quick, they weren't going to listen.
1907
01:37:00.439 --> 01:37:04.520
And even Dean brought had he's the head of finance. Yeah,
1908
01:37:04.640 --> 01:37:07.199
you know, he's a He's a real cool dude. I
1909
01:37:07.279 --> 01:37:10.600
went to college, junior college here in East Texas, Cooper
1910
01:37:10.680 --> 01:37:14.000
Junior College, and he played baseball in the area as well.
1911
01:37:14.640 --> 01:37:17.039
He's an old guy, but I mean he knows the vibe,
1912
01:37:17.079 --> 01:37:23.479
he sees the swagger. Her daddy, Dixie's daddy, Miter Carter,
1913
01:37:24.960 --> 01:37:29.119
recognized the vibe and swagger. I mean every time I saw.
1914
01:37:29.000 --> 01:37:29.439
The guy a.
1915
01:37:31.239 --> 01:37:33.880
Tell everybody how much adds kid, you know, yeah, thing,
1916
01:37:34.039 --> 01:37:37.279
the Texas stuff, you know, he's the family was awesome.
1917
01:37:37.319 --> 01:37:41.079
You know, it was just that I think the creative
1918
01:37:41.079 --> 01:37:47.199
people got either jealous or felt awkward when the Carter
1919
01:37:47.319 --> 01:37:50.560
family would put me over to them. I mean, I remember, uh,
1920
01:37:51.359 --> 01:37:53.760
the Dallas pay per view had a diummiversary. This was
1921
01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:57.560
twenty twelve, and we all went to the Carter house
1922
01:37:58.039 --> 01:38:01.119
to have dinner and stuff. They were very nice and
1923
01:38:02.159 --> 01:38:06.800
Ms Carter was right there, big Texas guy telling telling
1924
01:38:06.800 --> 01:38:10.000
everybody who pass by, Hey, this is the strongest guy
1925
01:38:10.079 --> 01:38:12.520
and the strong's gown TNA. He can fly with the
1926
01:38:12.600 --> 01:38:15.840
ropes and throws around. Man, he should be he should
1927
01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:18.720
be the champion, you know. And here's he's telling Bruce
1928
01:38:18.760 --> 01:38:21.640
picture this and Al Snow and these guys, of course
1929
01:38:22.239 --> 01:38:25.039
had crative and talent tal relations. They didn't want to
1930
01:38:25.079 --> 01:38:25.359
hear that.
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Yeah.
1932
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And I'm standing like a jerk of you know, with
1933
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my you know, with my bick of my hand, because
1934
01:38:31.119 --> 01:38:33.800
I'm staying right next to Mr Carter, the multi billionaire,
1935
01:38:34.279 --> 01:38:38.439
and he wants to brag like no one's business about
1936
01:38:38.920 --> 01:38:40.640
what I can do with my yo. I should be
1937
01:38:40.720 --> 01:38:45.159
the champion. Yeah, and then of course you know soon
1938
01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:47.680
or later, some way or the other crab will find
1939
01:38:47.720 --> 01:38:49.880
a way to catch the legs of that one.
1940
01:38:56.920 --> 01:38:58.520
You don't have to wait for the weight killer for
1941
01:38:58.600 --> 01:39:00.520
wrestling post show. To find out what I thought of
1942
01:39:00.640 --> 01:39:02.880
Monday Night Raw and SmackDown each week, you can check
1943
01:39:02.920 --> 01:39:05.720
out my reports that are updated live throughout Raw and
1944
01:39:05.840 --> 01:39:10.079
SmackDown at pwtorch dot com. My written report will tell
1945
01:39:10.079 --> 01:39:12.439
you what's happening in detail in case you missed the show,
1946
01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:15.399
and it will also analyze key segments and give my
1947
01:39:15.560 --> 01:39:19.319
random thoughts quips on what I am watching as it airs.
1948
01:39:19.399 --> 01:39:21.560
So check it out every Monday night and Tuesday night
1949
01:39:21.640 --> 01:39:26.680
at pwtorch dot com. That also applies to wwepayperviews. I
1950
01:39:26.720 --> 01:39:29.079
cover those live at pw torch dot com with a
1951
01:39:29.119 --> 01:39:31.760
detailed written report with star ratings. And of course you
1952
01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:34.439
can find other TV reports from other contributors to PW
1953
01:39:34.640 --> 01:39:38.560
torch such as nxt ROH, Impact Wrestling and more. Check
1954
01:39:38.600 --> 01:39:41.880
it out pwtorch dot com your first stop for TV
1955
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and pay per view written reports.
1956
01:39:56.840 --> 01:39:59.119
So in a way, you had friends in high places
1957
01:39:59.159 --> 01:40:01.479
and that worked somehow managed to work against you.
1958
01:40:02.439 --> 01:40:07.159
Yes, yeah, I can honestly sit. I mean, this was
1959
01:40:08.279 --> 01:40:09.960
right when it was gonna give me my singles push
1960
01:40:10.279 --> 01:40:13.479
in two thousand and nine to ten, when I brought
1961
01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:19.079
my neck January two thousand and nine and I finally
1962
01:40:19.119 --> 01:40:21.000
got the surgery of May of two thousand and nine.
1963
01:40:21.520 --> 01:40:23.239
Yeah, that I came.
1964
01:40:23.359 --> 01:40:25.640
You know, they gave me the character come back and
1965
01:40:28.279 --> 01:40:30.319
I don't want I don't want to bury no one
1966
01:40:30.800 --> 01:40:34.479
at this part because this is bad. This guy would
1967
01:40:34.520 --> 01:40:39.520
always tease me. Oh man, look there's Dixie's bluefriend. This
1968
01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:42.680
is the head of creatives at the time. So you
1969
01:40:43.000 --> 01:40:45.079
you know, I do the delective reasons. You can figure
1970
01:40:45.119 --> 01:40:48.560
out who it is would tease me. And they got
1971
01:40:48.640 --> 01:40:50.840
so and for the other wrestlers and front of the
1972
01:40:50.920 --> 01:40:54.439
guys against the points. For I had to pull the
1973
01:40:54.520 --> 01:40:57.159
Dixie to the side like a little fucking five year old, say, hey,
1974
01:40:58.439 --> 01:41:01.000
this guy's saying this stuff. Can keep telling the back off.
1975
01:41:01.439 --> 01:41:01.680
Wow.
1976
01:41:03.239 --> 01:41:05.880
And of course you know that's like a do being
1977
01:41:06.000 --> 01:41:11.520
favors Yeah, you know, yeah, you know, I mean the
1978
01:41:11.600 --> 01:41:16.560
fact that Dicky was so adamant about pushing me, you
1979
01:41:16.600 --> 01:41:17.960
know that it's worked against me.
1980
01:41:18.560 --> 01:41:21.279
Wow, you know, I mean.
1981
01:41:22.720 --> 01:41:25.960
Just being realistic. I mean at for the Latin markets,
1982
01:41:26.720 --> 01:41:30.720
we never had a big Goldberg or a lesson or
1983
01:41:30.720 --> 01:41:32.680
a guy that could throw people around the doors had
1984
01:41:32.720 --> 01:41:37.159
the live cheating steel or slamming or or small Glucci door.
1985
01:41:37.960 --> 01:41:40.119
Then you've got this big six one, two eighty five
1986
01:41:40.199 --> 01:41:43.079
powerhouse that can throw people around. Yeah, and then you
1987
01:41:43.159 --> 01:41:48.600
want to change it. You know, I don't. I don't
1988
01:41:48.640 --> 01:41:50.439
get it and I probably never will.
1989
01:41:51.079 --> 01:41:54.239
On a on a one to ten scale, how professional
1990
01:41:54.479 --> 01:41:58.399
one being completely unprofessional tend being very well run smooth professionalization?
1991
01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:01.640
What was the tipical number that you would assigned the
1992
01:42:01.720 --> 01:42:03.640
TNA during your spend of time there when it comes
1993
01:42:03.720 --> 01:42:06.960
to the front office side of things, the interaction with wrestlers,
1994
01:42:07.000 --> 01:42:09.359
and then like you said, head of creative and and
1995
01:42:09.560 --> 01:42:11.079
and and that kind of thing. In terms of dealing
1996
01:42:11.119 --> 01:42:14.000
with quote management on a one to ten, where do
1997
01:42:14.039 --> 01:42:14.439
you have them?
1998
01:42:15.920 --> 01:42:18.159
I can't even write it. I mean, you know, I've
1999
01:42:18.359 --> 01:42:20.039
talked to you. You know, you talked to guys like
2000
01:42:20.199 --> 01:42:24.760
r VB. Tabor Guerreco. Can understand. All these guys have
2001
01:42:24.920 --> 01:42:29.439
been to the big, big leagues and it's I would
2002
01:42:29.960 --> 01:42:32.720
you know, just based on their opinions of what they've
2003
01:42:33.079 --> 01:42:35.079
dealt with what we've deal with now was like womp
2004
01:42:35.159 --> 01:42:38.960
the rooms, you know, because you can buy you know,
2005
01:42:39.159 --> 01:42:41.199
of course they have. You know, the WP guys have
2006
01:42:42.039 --> 01:42:44.520
the habit have nots at least when I was there
2007
01:42:44.600 --> 01:42:48.119
in teen. If you had wbe status, you guys have
2008
01:42:48.520 --> 01:42:51.319
special teatment compares if you never if you did not
2009
01:42:51.439 --> 01:42:55.560
have it. Yes, So if you cried and complained about
2010
01:42:55.600 --> 01:42:59.640
your character and you were former the the d guys,
2011
01:43:01.039 --> 01:43:05.800
they listened and then they cringed, and they pretty much
2012
01:43:07.199 --> 01:43:10.359
you know, can meet you in the middle. If you
2013
01:43:10.479 --> 01:43:13.960
were original you got no love. Yeah, you were a
2014
01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:14.880
Red Hood step child.
2015
01:43:15.600 --> 01:43:19.079
Yeah, and you were there when you mentioned it earlier,
2016
01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:23.560
you know, Kevin Nash and Booker t and the main
2017
01:43:23.600 --> 01:43:26.640
event Mafia era. How frustrating was that for you and
2018
01:43:27.079 --> 01:43:31.279
other longtime TNA guys, the TNA originals to watch this
2019
01:43:31.720 --> 01:43:34.119
group these different groups come in, but this is even
2020
01:43:34.159 --> 01:43:38.640
pre Hogan and Bischoff come in and just suddenly it's
2021
01:43:38.680 --> 01:43:41.720
it's it's like having you know, if you're a five
2022
01:43:41.800 --> 01:43:43.560
year old and you've got your own playroom and then
2023
01:43:43.560 --> 01:43:45.800
all of a sudden, some six year olds show up
2024
01:43:45.840 --> 01:43:48.800
and just take over everything and nobody tells anything about it.
2025
01:43:48.840 --> 01:43:50.760
They're like, well, you know, we're six And that's kind
2026
01:43:50.800 --> 01:43:52.359
of what it felt like every time these guys came in.
2027
01:43:52.640 --> 01:43:55.279
But the worst part is I didn't since and you know,
2028
01:43:55.520 --> 01:43:57.560
not looking for you to bury anybody specifically unless you
2029
01:43:57.680 --> 01:43:59.920
want to. But it didn't seem like everybody who had
2030
01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:05.600
that WWE and WCW resume always came in trying their
2031
01:44:05.760 --> 01:44:09.439
best and respecting that TNA was something they wanted to
2032
01:44:09.520 --> 01:44:10.720
be part of, helping to improve.
2033
01:44:11.039 --> 01:44:11.079
It.
2034
01:44:11.199 --> 01:44:13.920
Sort of felt like we paved the way, we paved
2035
01:44:13.960 --> 01:44:16.199
the road, we put in our time. This is kind
2036
01:44:16.239 --> 01:44:19.039
of our pension. It's it's really a favor that we're
2037
01:44:19.119 --> 01:44:21.520
doing to TNA that we would even associate with this company.
2038
01:44:21.800 --> 01:44:24.079
So therefore working hard isn't really something that we need
2039
01:44:24.119 --> 01:44:26.159
to add to it. That I got that sense from
2040
01:44:26.279 --> 01:44:28.000
from t and A rest over the years that that's
2041
01:44:28.039 --> 01:44:30.399
how they felt. Some of these guys, the veterans from
2042
01:44:30.520 --> 01:44:33.000
WWS for WW and WW came in with.
2043
01:44:34.560 --> 01:44:38.159
Well, you were correct. I mean, you know, it's not
2044
01:44:38.399 --> 01:44:41.039
just what hearsay. It's not what I say or you say,
2045
01:44:41.239 --> 01:44:46.159
or other TA originals said, look a look at the product,
2046
01:44:46.319 --> 01:44:48.680
look at what they did when they were in their
2047
01:44:48.720 --> 01:44:52.760
time in the ring. If they were not given the
2048
01:44:52.840 --> 01:44:57.880
same quality of matches from their place there, unemployment from
2049
01:44:57.920 --> 01:45:03.119
before to TNA, you know what the deal is, you
2050
01:45:03.199 --> 01:45:06.960
know they you know Booker, you know Booker was cool.
2051
01:45:07.520 --> 01:45:12.680
Booker tried hard. Curtin was always awesome. I mean I
2052
01:45:12.800 --> 01:45:17.000
have never never had anybody complain by having a match
2053
01:45:17.039 --> 01:45:19.159
with him, because I mean he's machine.
2054
01:45:19.600 --> 01:45:19.760
You know.
2055
01:45:19.920 --> 01:45:22.359
I enjoyed my two times. Russell the s things thing
2056
01:45:22.479 --> 01:45:24.720
was very nice and cordial to me. But I mean
2057
01:45:26.039 --> 01:45:27.760
I pretty much in Rustle and then the other guys
2058
01:45:27.800 --> 01:45:30.000
that were come up, so I really can't have that
2059
01:45:30.079 --> 01:45:32.520
much much of an opinion on that. And plus I
2060
01:45:32.640 --> 01:45:35.239
was pretty much stuck in a tag. So who was
2061
01:45:35.279 --> 01:45:37.359
the many tags for those guys?
2062
01:45:38.039 --> 01:45:43.239
Yeah, I had. It's a tough question to answer because
2063
01:45:43.239 --> 01:45:45.359
one it's it's it's hard to know, but two it's
2064
01:45:45.359 --> 01:45:47.800
heartbreaking if if you have a hunch, but had T
2065
01:45:47.920 --> 01:45:51.479
and A not spent all that money on X w
2066
01:45:51.720 --> 01:45:55.199
W and w W guys and just had a really
2067
01:45:55.560 --> 01:45:59.359
a visionary on creative who was in or maybe Jeff
2068
01:45:59.399 --> 01:46:01.800
Jarrett step and you know earlier and said you know what,
2069
01:46:01.960 --> 01:46:03.720
I know, I feel like I'm the most complete guy
2070
01:46:04.239 --> 01:46:06.319
with some name value. But for TENA to get to
2071
01:46:06.399 --> 01:46:08.039
that next level, we're gonna have to do what ECW did,
2072
01:46:08.079 --> 01:46:09.800
which is build around new guys, you know, to get
2073
01:46:10.159 --> 01:46:11.880
or do what what led to the wrestling boom, you
2074
01:46:11.920 --> 01:46:14.359
know with Stone Cold, Steve aastin the Rock, mcfoley, d X.
2075
01:46:14.520 --> 01:46:17.720
Build around new guys, new fresh blood had that happened,
2076
01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:19.560
and they made the best out of AJ, They made
2077
01:46:19.560 --> 01:46:21.399
the best out of Simojo, they made the best out
2078
01:46:21.439 --> 01:46:24.720
of Rude and Storm and you and we can pick
2079
01:46:24.800 --> 01:46:29.239
out a number of other guys obviously, anybody, I mean, yeah,
2080
01:46:29.279 --> 01:46:31.319
but that's the core group. I mean, that's that's one
2081
01:46:31.319 --> 01:46:33.079
of the that's like two thirds of the core group
2082
01:46:33.119 --> 01:46:35.560
of guys who had T and A just said, we
2083
01:46:35.760 --> 01:46:37.720
believe in you guys, and we're going to spend an
2084
01:46:37.720 --> 01:46:39.800
hour or two of TV every week on national TV
2085
01:46:40.479 --> 01:46:44.960
acting like you guys are the biggest stars. And it's
2086
01:46:45.199 --> 01:46:48.960
WWE's incompetence that led to them not snatching you up first.
2087
01:46:49.039 --> 01:46:50.720
You know, it's like your your late first round picks
2088
01:46:50.760 --> 01:46:52.880
and you should have been you know, first for second,
2089
01:46:52.920 --> 01:46:55.399
third overall picks. But we're smarter than them, and here
2090
01:46:55.439 --> 01:46:57.640
we're gonna prove it every week. Had they done that
2091
01:46:57.760 --> 01:47:01.119
with a bravado and a confidence and played your strengths
2092
01:47:01.159 --> 01:47:03.119
and not dwelled on your weaknesses. I've talked to people
2093
01:47:03.119 --> 01:47:06.479
Sean who they'll talk about, Oh, but here's his weaknesses
2094
01:47:06.640 --> 01:47:09.000
and this thing about oh he's not hispanic enough or
2095
01:47:09.720 --> 01:47:11.840
from working in the ring. Standpoint, Yeah he does this,
2096
01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:14.439
but he doesn't do this. And I've just I've written it,
2097
01:47:14.520 --> 01:47:16.600
I've said it on record, and I've set it off record.
2098
01:47:16.920 --> 01:47:19.600
That's your problem in DNA is you sit around listening
2099
01:47:19.640 --> 01:47:24.119
to people pick apart the weaknesses. Nobody's a complete package.
2100
01:47:24.199 --> 01:47:26.840
Vince Man thought Steve Boston had weaknesses that was going
2101
01:47:26.880 --> 01:47:29.399
to relegate him to having Ted Dibiassi talk for him
2102
01:47:29.760 --> 01:47:31.399
when Ted didn't even want to talk anymore. He was
2103
01:47:31.439 --> 01:47:34.960
just a cliche machine, like I'm on a soapbox.
2104
01:47:35.039 --> 01:47:35.640
But that.
2105
01:47:37.199 --> 01:47:39.520
Had they taken advantage of all your strengths, I said, well, Joe,
2106
01:47:39.640 --> 01:47:41.600
you know he's kind of pudgy, and you know he's
2107
01:47:41.640 --> 01:47:43.199
not a traditional Samoan and we don't you know, we
2108
01:47:43.199 --> 01:47:44.880
don't know he doesn't want to play the game. It's
2109
01:47:44.920 --> 01:47:47.479
like they all everybody always had some reason not to
2110
01:47:47.520 --> 01:47:49.880
push people. That all could have been set about everybody
2111
01:47:49.960 --> 01:47:51.720
during the boom period in the Monday Night War era,
2112
01:47:51.960 --> 01:47:54.000
but they didn't. That could have been set about Caz.
2113
01:47:54.159 --> 01:47:56.359
Oh he's too short and all that. So anyway, you
2114
01:47:56.399 --> 01:47:58.079
know what I'm saying, And as.
2115
01:48:00.640 --> 01:48:03.880
You know, they would say, oh hell, you know, they
2116
01:48:04.199 --> 01:48:06.720
wouldn't say it directly because you know, one thing about
2117
01:48:06.720 --> 01:48:10.760
I understand I understand about teen a creative is you
2118
01:48:10.920 --> 01:48:13.279
hear it second or third hand, because teen a creative
2119
01:48:13.279 --> 01:48:15.439
will have something negative to say, they will never say
2120
01:48:15.479 --> 01:48:15.960
it directly.
2121
01:48:16.039 --> 01:48:16.359
Teach me.
2122
01:48:16.760 --> 01:48:20.000
Yeah, so I mean you know, oh you have my skills?
2123
01:48:20.039 --> 01:48:22.640
Oh really? How many times I get a chance to
2124
01:48:22.640 --> 01:48:25.239
get a mic? And then when you know, maybe my
2125
01:48:25.479 --> 01:48:28.199
MIC skills maybe maybe not be what you want them
2126
01:48:28.279 --> 01:48:30.640
to be. But I can name four or five guys
2127
01:48:30.680 --> 01:48:33.680
you get like you in mic everage every week. I
2128
01:48:33.720 --> 01:48:34.760
should do any worse than that?
2129
01:48:35.399 --> 01:48:37.640
Yep, yeah, you know.
2130
01:48:38.479 --> 01:48:40.880
And then it's oh, I don't you know, I don't
2131
01:48:40.880 --> 01:48:45.000
you know. I don't speak Spanish strong enough. Brother, I'm
2132
01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:48.079
raised you know, I'm a third generation Spanish. You know,
2133
01:48:48.680 --> 01:48:52.079
excuse me if my my Spanish is not you sound
2134
01:48:52.239 --> 01:48:54.760
like I came out. You know I came from Mexico City.
2135
01:48:55.520 --> 01:49:00.920
You know it's a text Mexico bluber and did a
2136
01:49:01.079 --> 01:49:04.800
mixed race? Don't I'm white? They don't you know, I
2137
01:49:04.960 --> 01:49:08.319
live in America, So why would I need to have
2138
01:49:08.479 --> 01:49:10.239
a sick Spanish excit.
2139
01:49:15.600 --> 01:49:18.600
Longing for some nostalgia or maybe you want to learn
2140
01:49:18.720 --> 01:49:22.560
some wrestling history, don't miss the nineties Past cast every
2141
01:49:22.600 --> 01:49:25.920
Friday on the PW Torch Daily Cast Feed. Alex and
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Patrick will transport you thirty years into the past by
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taking you through the Torch issue from that very week.
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Follow news from the WWF and WCW and all the
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01:49:35.840 --> 01:49:39.000
happenings from across the wrestling industry in real time as
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The Torch reported it thirty years ago. That's the nineties
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Past cast every Friday on the PW Torch Daily Cast Feed.
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Yeah, and and Wade the kicker is there's the fifty
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01:50:04.960 --> 01:50:07.880
year white man. Tell me this and I'm not Hispanic enough.
2150
01:50:07.920 --> 01:50:11.399
Before like we was doing the Mexican American gimmick. You know,
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01:50:11.520 --> 01:50:15.880
whether you yourself and if you're listeners right now or
2152
01:50:15.920 --> 01:50:20.359
even God says, wait, when we first in Mexican American
2153
01:50:20.399 --> 01:50:23.800
and we talked that stupid flack. We had we had
2154
01:50:24.359 --> 01:50:27.600
uh highs of the highest ratings and all it was
2155
01:50:27.680 --> 01:50:30.600
is me doing my my promo about the gimmick was
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01:50:30.640 --> 01:50:33.560
at one point three. I still remember that. It was
2157
01:50:33.560 --> 01:50:37.319
twenty eleven. Yep, But I don't have my issues. Oh yeah,
2158
01:50:37.520 --> 01:50:41.439
why did people in turn the channel with you know?
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01:50:41.920 --> 01:50:45.920
Ye, there's it's so it's dwelling on something that is
2160
01:50:46.079 --> 01:50:48.680
absent when instead of focusing and making the best of
2161
01:50:49.079 --> 01:50:51.399
the assets that are present, and it's blowing out a
2162
01:50:51.439 --> 01:50:55.239
proportion what's what they perceive as not being present. But
2163
01:50:55.319 --> 01:50:57.159
it's that's not the be all end all of what
2164
01:50:57.760 --> 01:51:00.119
what your assets were. I mean, Paul Hayman would have
2165
01:51:00.239 --> 01:51:03.600
never pushed Tommy Dreamer and gotten him over with the
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01:51:03.640 --> 01:51:06.760
ECW audience. He could have easily said Tommy can't wrestle
2167
01:51:06.800 --> 01:51:10.279
with his shirt off his his his chest is too flat,
2168
01:51:10.359 --> 01:51:12.359
it's flabby. I mean he could have said that, but
2169
01:51:12.439 --> 01:51:14.560
he didn't. He said, let's make the best of Tommy
2170
01:51:14.600 --> 01:51:17.439
Dremmery because here's what he does well. He's a sympathetic figure.
2171
01:51:17.760 --> 01:51:20.960
He's he's he's good on promos in terms of expressing
2172
01:51:21.000 --> 01:51:23.359
his emotions. He has that under you know, all these things.
2173
01:51:24.520 --> 01:51:26.920
Everybody who's ever gotten pushed there. You could have written
2174
01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:30.000
all these Kevin Nash too many knee surgeries, he can't
2175
01:51:30.039 --> 01:51:31.279
move around the ring. I mean, you could have made
2176
01:51:31.319 --> 01:51:33.880
that case for anybody. And that's what t Anda spent
2177
01:51:33.920 --> 01:51:36.319
a dozen years doing, is making the case against instead
2178
01:51:36.359 --> 01:51:39.000
of the case for. Because it's a bunch of I mean,
2179
01:51:39.039 --> 01:51:40.479
I don't even know why. It's just but it's been
2180
01:51:40.520 --> 01:51:42.439
frustrating to watch. And you're you're one of those guys.
2181
01:51:42.479 --> 01:51:45.239
Had they just gotten behind you and said, let's take
2182
01:51:45.279 --> 01:51:48.560
your assets, let's take your strength, and let's just shine
2183
01:51:48.600 --> 01:51:50.920
a spotlight on him, well, there was a lot there
2184
01:51:50.960 --> 01:51:51.279
to work with.
2185
01:51:51.800 --> 01:51:54.680
Wait on lit simple. I mean, when you know they
2186
01:51:54.840 --> 01:51:57.920
let me do my stuff, you know, you know think
2187
01:51:57.960 --> 01:51:59.880
he's a very small business land. She would go into
2188
01:51:59.920 --> 01:52:03.399
the crowd and engage their opinio. Who they liked, what
2189
01:52:03.520 --> 01:52:06.880
they liked, you know, what parts they liked, what rest
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01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:10.760
is they liked. I'll never forget just was we were doing,
2191
01:52:10.880 --> 01:52:13.119
you know, the live thing every of the week Lewis
2192
01:52:13.159 --> 01:52:16.319
in Chicago and we did a tight match. Now we
2193
01:52:16.439 --> 01:52:20.600
got boot at the building, the baby faces with me
2194
01:52:20.680 --> 01:52:25.039
and Shavo, but every single person she went to I
2195
01:52:25.279 --> 01:52:27.479
was one of the three names, I mean one of
2196
01:52:27.560 --> 01:52:30.720
three guys that they were catch todd by watching because
2197
01:52:30.720 --> 01:52:32.159
I didn't you know, I did my throws and then
2198
01:52:32.199 --> 01:52:36.039
my divo you know, the ramp dive. But the weird
2199
01:52:36.079 --> 01:52:39.479
thing about it was when less than half those people
2200
01:52:39.560 --> 01:52:42.479
even knew my name. And I've been I've been on
2201
01:52:42.560 --> 01:52:47.039
the show for eight years, so I mean that's awkward. Really,
2202
01:52:47.119 --> 01:52:50.439
like the big Ball, strong Guy. Really my my fucking
2203
01:52:50.680 --> 01:52:54.439
last names in my back end of my trunks. You know,
2204
01:52:54.800 --> 01:52:57.000
it's it's not the it's not the fans ball, it's
2205
01:52:57.039 --> 01:53:03.880
the how they market them. Yeah yeah, I mean, you know,
2206
01:53:04.039 --> 01:53:07.159
I won't cry like a little you know, over spill Milpe.
2207
01:53:07.199 --> 01:53:11.319
I mean, there's he's an every teenage original Guide can
2208
01:53:11.359 --> 01:53:12.359
probably have the same pud.
2209
01:53:13.039 --> 01:53:15.439
Yeah, yeah, you know.
2210
01:53:15.520 --> 01:53:18.359
I mean you know, you walk through the airport, you
2211
01:53:18.479 --> 01:53:20.920
see you know, everyone clamb up to the WP guys.
2212
01:53:21.039 --> 01:53:23.840
Oh they know who they are. Yeah, well I walked
2213
01:53:23.880 --> 01:53:26.760
through the airport. They know them with somebody. They just
2214
01:53:26.800 --> 01:53:28.800
don't know what TV show or am I M M
2215
01:53:28.880 --> 01:53:34.720
a guy or yeah some some silly yeah wow.
2216
01:53:35.640 --> 01:53:38.560
Well we touched on it again earlier, but I want
2217
01:53:38.600 --> 01:53:41.920
to save a little more in depth. Uh uh, delving
2218
01:53:41.960 --> 01:53:43.520
into your thoughts little more in depth for the BF,
2219
01:53:43.560 --> 01:53:46.159
you have to show Hogan and Bischoff what did they
2220
01:53:46.800 --> 01:53:50.520
what expectations? I mean you were gone for a good
2221
01:53:50.560 --> 01:53:54.079
portion of it. But did did did? Did Hogan to
2222
01:53:54.239 --> 01:53:58.199
you at any point seem like he was genuinely in
2223
01:53:58.319 --> 01:54:01.800
a position to really help and was trying what What
2224
01:54:02.039 --> 01:54:04.640
is your thought on both Hogan and Bishop in that
2225
01:54:04.800 --> 01:54:05.479
era of TNA.
2226
01:54:06.640 --> 01:54:11.199
I think Hogan came in and this, you know, he
2227
01:54:11.319 --> 01:54:14.199
came to work. He just you know, he whatever they
2228
01:54:14.239 --> 01:54:16.600
wanted to do, he did. Didn't balk can play or anything.
2229
01:54:17.800 --> 01:54:22.359
So did they overexpose him? Of course? You know, you
2230
01:54:22.439 --> 01:54:25.520
know they they pretty much. I personally think they relied
2231
01:54:25.560 --> 01:54:28.239
on his name and way too much. Yeah, you know
2232
01:54:28.560 --> 01:54:32.279
the case in point. I mean when Corpus Christie, Texas,
2233
01:54:33.199 --> 01:54:37.000
I woul draws you on TV taping over your hometown
2234
01:54:37.079 --> 01:54:41.159
in Tampa. That's a problem. You know, you can't just
2235
01:54:41.239 --> 01:54:45.439
put o'klden lives here, right, you know, you know you
2236
01:54:46.000 --> 01:54:48.119
in my position, in my opinion, they put the Hogan
2237
01:54:48.159 --> 01:54:51.439
in the bad best spot because I mean maybe because
2238
01:54:51.720 --> 01:54:54.560
he's maybe deservedly so, because he's making so much money,
2239
01:54:54.640 --> 01:54:59.000
but they just you know, banked, you know, they you know,
2240
01:54:59.199 --> 01:55:02.520
sold the farm on hope. This Hulk's name is gonna
2241
01:55:02.600 --> 01:55:03.680
draw yep.
2242
01:55:04.319 --> 01:55:06.199
Well, and then there were times Hulk did mainstream media
2243
01:55:06.239 --> 01:55:09.359
interviews and didn't mention he worked for TNA, And I
2244
01:55:09.399 --> 01:55:10.880
thought that was one of the things they brought Hogan
2245
01:55:10.920 --> 01:55:13.359
in to do, is, hey, this guy does mainstream media appearances.
2246
01:55:13.600 --> 01:55:15.600
It'll be nice to get the name out there. And
2247
01:55:15.800 --> 01:55:17.520
he didn't. And I know I've heard from guys who
2248
01:55:18.039 --> 01:55:20.800
it was heartbreaking to them. They're like, why why is
2249
01:55:20.840 --> 01:55:23.359
Hogan in here? Uh? And they're spending so much money
2250
01:55:23.359 --> 01:55:25.640
on them, money that right now they're paying price for
2251
01:55:25.880 --> 01:55:27.920
and he couldn't be bothered to mention the TNA initials.
2252
01:55:29.720 --> 01:55:32.279
That was awkward. I'm gonna just say the least. You know,
2253
01:55:32.720 --> 01:55:34.840
you know, there was the room where he was making
2254
01:55:35.600 --> 01:55:42.159
you quite a bit per episode, yes, you know, between
2255
01:55:42.239 --> 01:55:47.319
thirty and forty grand episodes, yep. And you know, you know,
2256
01:55:48.039 --> 01:55:51.560
two episodes. You know, he makes what I'm making a year. Yep.
2257
01:55:52.399 --> 01:55:55.920
You know, I know, you know you know that was
2258
01:55:56.479 --> 01:55:58.359
put them in a card guys. So I've made decent money.
2259
01:55:58.359 --> 01:56:02.079
But I mean he was getting that, you know, every show,
2260
01:56:02.159 --> 01:56:05.239
and for him not to do that, that's awkward. I mean,
2261
01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:07.319
I guess it's kind of hard for me to go
2262
01:56:07.359 --> 01:56:10.760
over the business and the personal side because Hug was
2263
01:56:10.760 --> 01:56:13.920
always strayed up for me and yeah, very personal, you know.
2264
01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:16.079
So I mean that on the business side, I have
2265
01:56:16.319 --> 01:56:19.359
no idea. I mean, you know, you also have to think,
2266
01:56:20.359 --> 01:56:22.800
did the marketing guy or the PR guy with that
2267
01:56:22.880 --> 01:56:26.720
went with him to that show, did they emphasize what
2268
01:56:26.880 --> 01:56:31.880
you say? You know that there's two sides of that
2269
01:56:32.000 --> 01:56:33.439
right there, because I mean there's a lot of times
2270
01:56:33.520 --> 01:56:38.279
that the PR people are not as aggressive as maybe
2271
01:56:38.319 --> 01:56:38.760
they should be.
2272
01:56:39.960 --> 01:56:42.199
But you would think Hogan, with his level of experience,
2273
01:56:42.279 --> 01:56:44.479
would be like, I'm I'm with TNA to pay me
2274
01:56:44.560 --> 01:56:46.800
big money. I've gone on television and paid lift service
2275
01:56:46.840 --> 01:56:48.239
to We're going to take things to the next level.
2276
01:56:48.279 --> 01:56:51.640
I want at least I would I will think you
2277
01:56:51.640 --> 01:56:57.720
will say, Spike, yeah, yeah, that's part, you know, maybe
2278
01:56:57.880 --> 01:56:58.760
not maybe you.
2279
01:56:58.800 --> 01:57:03.520
Know, yeah, you know, lois whatever out of it or
2280
01:57:03.600 --> 01:57:06.399
not think correctly or just don't want to be there.
2281
01:57:06.439 --> 01:57:08.760
But I mean, I would one would think he would
2282
01:57:08.760 --> 01:57:10.399
be faced by TV every Thursday.
2283
01:57:10.960 --> 01:57:14.600
Yes, yep. And again it's not even it's not even
2284
01:57:14.640 --> 01:57:16.119
that that'd make a huge difference. I mean, if he's
2285
01:57:16.159 --> 01:57:18.479
on Regis and Kelly, you know, I think it was
2286
01:57:18.520 --> 01:57:20.000
still in the air that it's not like also your
2287
01:57:20.039 --> 01:57:21.520
ratings are gonna go way up because he does it.
2288
01:57:21.640 --> 01:57:26.079
But just symbolically for the locker room to say, Hogan's here,
2289
01:57:26.239 --> 01:57:28.359
he's committed to the brand, and he's gonna take every
2290
01:57:28.399 --> 01:57:30.840
opportunity to get that brand out there. And I mean
2291
01:57:31.479 --> 01:57:34.199
it's the TNA initials. Maybe it's just embarrassed to say
2292
01:57:34.199 --> 01:57:36.119
it because they're gonna go, what what You're part of
2293
01:57:36.199 --> 01:57:38.560
some soft porn group like you know. It's just it
2294
01:57:38.680 --> 01:57:40.600
was an awful name from the beginning, and that's certainly hurt.
2295
01:57:40.640 --> 01:57:42.600
But Hogan could have helped eliminate that stigma if they
2296
01:57:42.640 --> 01:57:43.680
were committed to those letters.
2297
01:57:44.119 --> 01:57:46.279
Well, I mean, he his biggest, his biggest his name
2298
01:57:46.520 --> 01:57:51.239
is who's gonna laugh? He says TNA, right, he said
2299
01:57:51.279 --> 01:57:53.640
total non stop as in TNA knows who's gonna laugh.
2300
01:57:53.680 --> 01:57:56.399
I mean, he's the biggest name in him. He's usually
2301
01:57:56.479 --> 01:57:58.560
the first, you know, like I was talking one of
2302
01:57:58.640 --> 01:58:00.680
the first, first and second and made you think of
2303
01:58:00.960 --> 01:58:02.039
pull ussing in general.
2304
01:58:02.439 --> 01:58:05.199
Yes, I mean, you know, like a pro.
2305
01:58:05.239 --> 01:58:09.000
Rustling dody know he could say, you know x y
2306
01:58:09.199 --> 01:58:11.039
Z Western, They're gonna go google it.
2307
01:58:11.920 --> 01:58:15.600
Yeah. You you mentioned you felt you're a mismatch with
2308
01:58:15.640 --> 01:58:17.960
Matt Morgan. Why do you think I was a mismatch?
2309
01:58:18.159 --> 01:58:20.279
And how did that how did that kind of play
2310
01:58:20.279 --> 01:58:22.079
out in your mind in terms of the chapter of
2311
01:58:22.119 --> 01:58:26.439
your time in tnall.
2312
01:58:24.720 --> 01:58:27.079
Was well simple. They didn't know how to push me.
2313
01:58:27.199 --> 01:58:28.560
They didn't know how to push them, So I know
2314
01:58:28.680 --> 01:58:30.720
we'll do it was put the two guys together, yeah,
2315
01:58:31.880 --> 01:58:38.199
and then make them buddies. Yeah, and then always going
2316
01:58:38.199 --> 01:58:43.279
to mexical. Okay, Matt kick him in the net. You know,
2317
01:58:43.439 --> 01:58:47.720
there's Nolan ma reason this yeh. And you know me,
2318
01:58:48.000 --> 01:58:49.479
I'm a sixty one guy and I look like a
2319
01:58:49.560 --> 01:58:50.399
midget next to the seven.
2320
01:58:50.439 --> 01:58:53.399
But of course that doesn't Yeah, that doesn't help you know.
2321
01:58:53.560 --> 01:58:55.119
Of course, you know he's got me as a sixty
2322
01:58:55.159 --> 01:58:59.600
one five pounds powerhouse and then you have uh this
2323
01:58:59.720 --> 01:59:03.680
whole down the watcher as my partner, you know, and
2324
01:59:03.800 --> 01:59:06.680
there isn't you know, I'm throwing people around doing dives
2325
01:59:07.119 --> 01:59:09.359
and he's supposed to be the biggest giant in Watson,
2326
01:59:09.399 --> 01:59:12.159
which he was. How does that how does that help
2327
01:59:12.680 --> 01:59:13.279
either of us?
2328
01:59:14.680 --> 01:59:14.880
Yeah?
2329
01:59:15.960 --> 01:59:17.479
Taken away from both parties.
2330
01:59:17.960 --> 01:59:24.399
Yeah, well was was Chavo mentor helpful or did you
2331
01:59:24.520 --> 01:59:25.560
enjoy your time working with him?
2332
01:59:26.720 --> 01:59:28.800
Chavo was cool man, So that was awesome. I mean
2333
01:59:28.880 --> 01:59:33.319
he was you know, you know, he's I mean, I'm
2334
01:59:33.319 --> 01:59:36.359
going to be style wrestling, which was awkward because you know,
2335
01:59:37.159 --> 01:59:38.439
I've never did it before.
2336
01:59:38.399 --> 01:59:39.399
And I wasn't more like it.
2337
01:59:39.560 --> 01:59:43.960
But I mean his psychology, I mean, I obviously think
2338
01:59:44.359 --> 01:59:49.920
he's misused. I would say, you know, he's extremely talented,
2339
01:59:49.960 --> 01:59:53.039
and I just think that people in charge expect him
2340
01:59:53.680 --> 01:59:58.760
to do any nostalgia stuff. Yep, and that's all I
2341
01:59:58.840 --> 02:00:01.800
wanted to do and that you know, and that gives
2342
02:00:02.560 --> 02:00:06.119
and you know that reports themself, you know. I mean
2343
02:00:06.119 --> 02:00:09.399
we're I remember seeing baby Faces in England and we
2344
02:00:09.520 --> 02:00:12.479
wrestled Alston area too were the Hills and we got
2345
02:00:12.600 --> 02:00:15.640
booed out of the building. The interests came out, Yeah
2346
02:00:16.520 --> 02:00:20.279
booed as the building. I mean, so imagine me. So
2347
02:00:20.359 --> 02:00:22.920
I was taking the taking the heat. What the hell
2348
02:00:23.039 --> 02:00:25.960
kind of hot tag of my another you know, their
2349
02:00:26.079 --> 02:00:30.239
contract with it with a crowd booonness I mean it
2350
02:00:30.399 --> 02:00:32.640
was fucking the people behind you to make the hot tag.
2351
02:00:33.039 --> 02:00:35.560
So I mean you're making you know, for the whole
2352
02:00:35.600 --> 02:00:38.600
two weeks I was making you know, I was liking
2353
02:00:38.600 --> 02:00:42.159
to make luke warm tags, and uh, thank god I
2354
02:00:42.239 --> 02:00:46.000
knew how to throw people around creatively, and that ramples
2355
02:00:46.079 --> 02:00:48.359
they're accessible to the rampire and I got the crought
2356
02:00:48.439 --> 02:00:52.479
back into it. But dude, from January of they of
2357
02:00:52.600 --> 02:00:56.720
that London tour, of the UK tour, the way the
2358
02:00:56.800 --> 02:01:00.079
way we were booked as as eighties baby things, you
2359
02:01:00.159 --> 02:01:02.159
did not do us any favors or the company.
2360
02:01:04.439 --> 02:01:06.560
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How cool was it for you guys when you went
2373
02:01:48.239 --> 02:01:50.399
to the UK, because I mean you're playing in a studio,
2374
02:01:50.640 --> 02:01:53.279
you know, a theme park studio setting. Most of the
2375
02:01:53.399 --> 02:01:55.720
time you go to the UK, you're in a real
2376
02:01:55.760 --> 02:01:59.560
building with real wrestling fans, big crowds. It it's just
2377
02:01:59.600 --> 02:02:01.800
had a few world's different and give you a taste
2378
02:02:01.840 --> 02:02:04.079
of what could what it would be like if if
2379
02:02:04.159 --> 02:02:06.279
tn A had gotten had truly gotten to that next level.
2380
02:02:06.920 --> 02:02:09.560
Well, it's you know, it's you know, because you know
2381
02:02:10.039 --> 02:02:12.159
travels are hung up with travel a lot, and you
2382
02:02:12.239 --> 02:02:16.199
know with Devon and Devil is a Kevon Hughes apologized,
2383
02:02:16.199 --> 02:02:18.720
but Kevon Devlis which by the way, today's his birthday,
2384
02:02:18.760 --> 02:02:20.000
so oh yeah, wish him a birthday.
2385
02:02:20.319 --> 02:02:21.600
He was just on the show two weeks ago.
2386
02:02:22.159 --> 02:02:25.079
He's a really good friend of mine. You know, they
2387
02:02:25.479 --> 02:02:27.199
you know, they tell me how things were w D
2388
02:02:27.399 --> 02:02:30.880
and you know, you're a rock star in the UK,
2389
02:02:32.159 --> 02:02:35.159
you know there's bigger crowds. I mean, there's people waiting
2390
02:02:35.199 --> 02:02:38.039
for you. With the airports, you know, the only time
2391
02:02:38.079 --> 02:02:40.520
you ever see that in tn A. It's either a
2392
02:02:40.600 --> 02:02:43.399
big pay per view or believe it or not. What
2393
02:02:43.520 --> 02:02:48.000
we were doing Texas house shows and you know Mexicans,
2394
02:02:48.039 --> 02:02:50.159
so I can say all these damn Mexicans are at
2395
02:02:50.159 --> 02:02:53.680
the at the airports claimed whit can get your autographic pictures.
2396
02:02:54.000 --> 02:02:55.760
Yeah, you know we're doing.
2397
02:02:55.640 --> 02:02:58.840
You know, we're doing Lobato because I'll go even ol Paso,
2398
02:02:59.239 --> 02:03:01.560
the smallest power we had down there with a thousand people,
2399
02:03:02.279 --> 02:03:04.239
you know, and so you put these mid card guys
2400
02:03:04.279 --> 02:03:06.760
that you want to do nothing with and all of
2401
02:03:06.760 --> 02:03:09.520
a sudden jacketson sen my main and wonder why we're
2402
02:03:09.600 --> 02:03:14.079
rock stars. You know. Case in point, look at San
2403
02:03:14.079 --> 02:03:18.439
Antonio Lockdown except for the final match when but Billie
2404
02:03:18.479 --> 02:03:21.920
Ray turned on Jeff Jeff Hardy, who's the you know,
2405
02:03:22.079 --> 02:03:25.399
and dude, I'm not do Let's go like like John Madden,
2406
02:03:25.680 --> 02:03:28.560
go to the tape, you know, see what was See
2407
02:03:28.560 --> 02:03:30.720
who had the biggest reaction coming out of the curtains
2408
02:03:31.520 --> 02:03:35.079
Santune in Texas, we had ten thousand people fixing off
2409
02:03:35.079 --> 02:03:40.199
from the Almodome. Yeah, you know, and and you're talking
2410
02:03:40.319 --> 02:03:43.359
to the you know, a primary reason why you had
2411
02:03:43.399 --> 02:03:45.800
that big of a crowd because I used all my
2412
02:03:45.960 --> 02:03:51.760
resources and used my personal PR lady. My uh, we're
2413
02:03:51.840 --> 02:03:54.840
seeing my small promotion run out there. He was all
2414
02:03:54.920 --> 02:03:57.319
my guys and they set the word up. I mean
2415
02:03:57.359 --> 02:04:00.359
I was in every radio station because I go there, Okay,
2416
02:04:00.359 --> 02:04:03.560
I'll be on the radio next next Friday for my
2417
02:04:03.680 --> 02:04:07.640
show the next day. It's syndicated shows. I mean, they
2418
02:04:07.760 --> 02:04:10.560
used everyone of my resources and they drew ten thousand
2419
02:04:10.720 --> 02:04:15.560
legit still the biggest cover the United States. So I
2420
02:04:15.680 --> 02:04:20.960
mean in my the PLA at the time, she did
2421
02:04:21.000 --> 02:04:26.600
it for a discount to be the full time PR lady.
2422
02:04:27.119 --> 02:04:27.319
Yeah.
2423
02:04:28.000 --> 02:04:29.800
Now, the first time you do a discount, you draw
2424
02:04:29.840 --> 02:04:33.000
a king grand and you never do ten down team
2425
02:04:33.039 --> 02:04:36.159
they ever in the States. Why the hell would you
2426
02:04:36.279 --> 02:04:37.439
not keep her?
2427
02:04:37.960 --> 02:04:38.159
Yeah?
2428
02:04:39.640 --> 02:04:41.640
You know the next month we were a corpus Christie.
2429
02:04:42.439 --> 02:04:43.960
You know, she said that I can do a corpus
2430
02:04:44.159 --> 02:04:46.720
for youn a problem. Boom boom boom, because she because
2431
02:04:46.720 --> 02:04:49.159
she really wanted to that Boston paper that was coming
2432
02:04:49.239 --> 02:04:52.800
up in that jew And they said, no, it's okay
2433
02:04:52.840 --> 02:04:54.960
because they found some lady that would do a free
2434
02:04:55.479 --> 02:04:56.039
and corpus.
2435
02:04:56.479 --> 02:04:56.600
Uh.
2436
02:04:56.920 --> 02:04:59.479
And yeah, they drew well, they drew about five thous
2437
02:04:59.560 --> 02:05:03.079
five six house and yeah, but I mean this lady
2438
02:05:03.680 --> 02:05:06.600
pulled a rabbit in her head and two people, I
2439
02:05:06.680 --> 02:05:11.840
mean they had the fucking uh santlum mayor kind of
2440
02:05:11.880 --> 02:05:14.720
do an almost and bit with Hogan and for whatever reason,
2441
02:05:14.800 --> 02:05:17.000
Hogan that want to do it or the office that
2442
02:05:17.079 --> 02:05:19.199
wanted to do it, but the guy went down, the
2443
02:05:19.680 --> 02:05:21.079
mayor of the town was went down.
2444
02:05:21.000 --> 02:05:21.279
To do it.
2445
02:05:23.199 --> 02:05:25.880
And it just seems like this the stories you're telling
2446
02:05:26.199 --> 02:05:28.680
or were just kind of a common not kind of
2447
02:05:28.800 --> 02:05:31.199
they were a common theme all through off in common
2448
02:05:31.279 --> 02:05:36.239
theme that just had to frustrate you so much because,
2449
02:05:36.479 --> 02:05:38.399
as Taz was saying on Twitter a couple of weeks ago,
2450
02:05:38.600 --> 02:05:41.039
everybody in Tea or so many guys, so many guys
2451
02:05:41.119 --> 02:05:42.760
worked so hard in DNA and really wanted to make
2452
02:05:42.800 --> 02:05:45.199
it work, but other things would just let you guys down.
2453
02:05:47.319 --> 02:05:50.000
Well we would just basically that was the only outlet
2454
02:05:50.079 --> 02:05:52.119
we would buster or asking the ring with what we
2455
02:05:52.239 --> 02:05:54.880
were allowed to do from the ass. You know, we
2456
02:05:55.000 --> 02:05:56.520
did whatever, you know because.
2457
02:05:57.039 --> 02:05:57.239
You know.
2458
02:05:59.159 --> 02:06:02.119
Or it partly means ample. I don't think guys like
2459
02:06:02.199 --> 02:06:06.079
old Han get enough for Cana. This guy has been
2460
02:06:06.159 --> 02:06:10.039
a more main events in his career on accident than
2461
02:06:10.399 --> 02:06:13.760
our guys are going to be combined on purpose. Why
2462
02:06:13.760 --> 02:06:16.319
wouldn't you have him have a little a small say
2463
02:06:16.399 --> 02:06:20.239
show at least you know, finishes or matches or you know,
2464
02:06:20.720 --> 02:06:23.560
some kind of agent role, small agent role. You know,
2465
02:06:24.279 --> 02:06:26.039
I'm not turned to be a jerk, and I turned
2466
02:06:26.039 --> 02:06:29.600
to be a you know, better person. But you guys
2467
02:06:29.640 --> 02:06:33.439
got You have al Snow, you have Delo at the time,
2468
02:06:33.479 --> 02:06:37.039
you have Delo Brown, and you had Simon Diamond pat Punies.
2469
02:06:38.319 --> 02:06:41.399
Now these guys are agents that are supposed to elevate
2470
02:06:41.760 --> 02:06:45.720
your character in your brand higher, to help the company
2471
02:06:46.680 --> 02:06:52.079
be bigger. Now if Simon Diamond was a jobber in
2472
02:06:52.199 --> 02:06:56.840
E c W and I'm part of the Latin Medical Exchange,
2473
02:06:56.920 --> 02:06:59.760
I'm you know, I got over the first we know,
2474
02:06:59.840 --> 02:07:01.760
we as a group, you got over the first six months.
2475
02:07:01.960 --> 02:07:04.319
How is he gonna help me elevate my name? Yeah,
2476
02:07:05.439 --> 02:07:07.880
you know, I mean besides him saying I mean has
2477
02:07:07.880 --> 02:07:10.720
a problem, how the hell is that gonna elevates me
2478
02:07:11.640 --> 02:07:15.039
to be a bigger, bigger name player for t NA.
2479
02:07:15.199 --> 02:07:16.800
You know, and I'm not going to be a jerk.
2480
02:07:16.840 --> 02:07:21.399
I mean, you know, people literally cringe when pet kings
2481
02:07:21.439 --> 02:07:26.720
are agents, you know, and you know, I don't want
2482
02:07:26.760 --> 02:07:29.520
to baron Gatschoo's are Hustela Ross was. I wanted to
2483
02:07:29.520 --> 02:07:33.640
get them in any unspoken heat, you know, things like that.
2484
02:07:33.760 --> 02:07:36.439
But I mean, you know, you look at your match,
2485
02:07:36.600 --> 02:07:38.319
you know, you look at the big daring boards, see
2486
02:07:38.319 --> 02:07:39.840
who you work in, how much the time is, and
2487
02:07:39.920 --> 02:07:42.119
see who the agent is, because that's who you have
2488
02:07:42.279 --> 02:07:44.920
to He gives you the outline of what we're supposed
2489
02:07:44.920 --> 02:07:51.159
to do and either just eye roll or just cringe.
2490
02:07:51.279 --> 02:07:53.720
You know, has cool and talked to about sports stuff
2491
02:07:53.720 --> 02:07:55.840
like this, but I mean so of my kids.
2492
02:07:56.439 --> 02:07:58.560
Yeah, now, so it's you know.
2493
02:07:59.159 --> 02:08:01.479
I'm pretty positive. I mean you could talk about you know,
2494
02:08:02.199 --> 02:08:04.479
college football or something like that, and but you're not
2495
02:08:04.479 --> 02:08:08.199
gonna tell me how to run my match. Yeah, you know,
2496
02:08:08.319 --> 02:08:11.039
I just never understood that. I mean, at least Dlo
2497
02:08:11.239 --> 02:08:16.199
Brown and else snow a very knowledgeable and very incredible
2498
02:08:16.199 --> 02:08:20.880
at least they were European champions or continent champions or
2499
02:08:21.039 --> 02:08:23.680
you know, I think Elstow was in East w champions.
2500
02:08:23.680 --> 02:08:25.039
I'm not sure. I don't know, but I mean this,
2501
02:08:25.439 --> 02:08:29.159
he was not more knowledgeable, right, you know, that's like
2502
02:08:29.279 --> 02:08:34.439
having you know, I don't know the gambler be my agent.
2503
02:08:35.159 --> 02:08:37.640
M h, I'm not gonna be a zerop. I mean,
2504
02:08:37.680 --> 02:08:39.359
come on, that means there's a game bok throwing the
2505
02:08:39.560 --> 02:08:41.399
codes at you. What you're gonna do? Tease me? How
2506
02:08:41.399 --> 02:08:42.159
the more cars at you?
2507
02:08:42.800 --> 02:08:43.000
Yeah?
2508
02:08:47.039 --> 02:08:47.960
What what is? Uh?
2509
02:08:48.720 --> 02:08:51.079
What's like? I I was gonna say what's next for you?
2510
02:08:51.159 --> 02:08:53.239
But we kind of know or you know you're saying
2511
02:08:53.279 --> 02:08:56.560
wait and see, Uh, you're not done yet? After after wrestling?
2512
02:08:56.640 --> 02:08:59.279
Do you want to work in wrestling in some capacity?
2513
02:08:59.399 --> 02:09:01.720
Do you look at do you have some other things
2514
02:09:01.760 --> 02:09:05.199
in mind to do in your fifties and sixties besides
2515
02:09:05.399 --> 02:09:07.479
win the lottery or or do so long left years
2516
02:09:07.520 --> 02:09:09.039
you don't have to work? I mean, what what's in
2517
02:09:09.119 --> 02:09:10.560
your future and what's your game plan?
2518
02:09:10.920 --> 02:09:11.079
Well?
2519
02:09:12.279 --> 02:09:18.159
Uh, actually, one day my contract should be signed for everything,
2520
02:09:18.199 --> 02:09:20.319
I'll be doing a national product. I really can't say
2521
02:09:20.319 --> 02:09:22.319
what it is you get. You know you probably can
2522
02:09:22.479 --> 02:09:25.479
guess really click. I've been doing a couple of movies.
2523
02:09:25.520 --> 02:09:29.840
I just did a commercial for Kok Talk Wireless last week.
2524
02:09:30.800 --> 02:09:33.720
This next week I'm doing for hunt uh in Texas
2525
02:09:33.840 --> 02:09:40.279
Huntsil Dodge Dealership here and I'm with you know usually
2526
02:09:40.399 --> 02:09:42.920
so TV in my last couple of years in Tinnahell,
2527
02:09:42.920 --> 02:09:47.720
it's about to sixty. I'm like now thirty five and
2528
02:09:48.079 --> 02:09:52.800
this more leader And as far as you know, being wrestling,
2529
02:09:52.840 --> 02:09:55.600
you know, maybe if my kids are you know, interested
2530
02:09:55.680 --> 02:09:58.920
in it, cool, But I mean I don't I don't
2531
02:09:58.920 --> 02:10:00.399
want to be like a bitter old man. I mean,
2532
02:10:00.760 --> 02:10:02.439
when my time is done, I want my time to
2533
02:10:02.520 --> 02:10:06.319
be done. Yeah, I'm really I'm really big into fitness
2534
02:10:06.479 --> 02:10:10.119
and stuff like that. Two thousand and nine, my daughter
2535
02:10:11.159 --> 02:10:13.720
graduate high school. She was the Texas state champion and
2536
02:10:13.800 --> 02:10:17.800
power thing that you're wow, and uh, you know Texas
2537
02:10:17.840 --> 02:10:21.319
is huge, man. So you know she's a little five
2538
02:10:22.119 --> 02:10:25.119
four versions of me. She's she's a legit five hundred
2539
02:10:25.119 --> 02:10:26.640
puns quarter at twenty two years old.
2540
02:10:27.159 --> 02:10:30.159
Wow, yeah amazing.
2541
02:10:31.079 --> 02:10:33.199
And you know, my my I was time who's six.
2542
02:10:33.319 --> 02:10:37.000
Now you can do six pull ups. It was a
2543
02:10:37.039 --> 02:10:39.359
little but up there and you can pull up six
2544
02:10:39.439 --> 02:10:41.279
times and and smile while he's doing it.
2545
02:10:41.399 --> 02:10:41.520
You know.
2546
02:10:41.920 --> 02:10:42.199
Wow.
2547
02:10:43.359 --> 02:10:47.680
You know, maybe you know, train these guys might have
2548
02:10:47.760 --> 02:10:49.680
a lie year old lotter as well, playing them to
2549
02:10:49.840 --> 02:10:51.319
be better accents.
2550
02:10:51.439 --> 02:10:51.560
You know.
2551
02:10:51.720 --> 02:10:54.960
Yeah, you know, I just you know, I would I
2552
02:10:55.000 --> 02:10:58.520
get through college. My parents let me play football thousand
2553
02:10:58.520 --> 02:11:01.239
eleventh grade, so I was the biggest guy on the
2554
02:11:01.279 --> 02:11:05.159
basketball team. So yeah, and you know, I want to
2555
02:11:05.199 --> 02:11:07.439
see these guys. I mean actually, both my two younger
2556
02:11:07.520 --> 02:11:10.680
children in taekwonda and both them are now there almost
2557
02:11:10.720 --> 02:11:12.159
ticks blue belts next month.
2558
02:11:12.680 --> 02:11:17.520
Cool. So I took tak bondo starting at age like
2559
02:11:17.640 --> 02:11:20.359
nine or ten and did it through my mid twenties
2560
02:11:20.640 --> 02:11:23.399
off and on, and uh, just it's so good for
2561
02:11:23.439 --> 02:11:27.319
physical fitness, so good for self discipline and yeah everything.
2562
02:11:27.359 --> 02:11:29.239
It was just and just you know, made friends and
2563
02:11:29.359 --> 02:11:31.199
had a great time and I was like belonging to
2564
02:11:31.279 --> 02:11:36.000
a club but not yeah, but just you know, self defense, confidence, everything.
2565
02:11:36.039 --> 02:11:38.319
It's just yeah, I love think taekwondo is just fantastic.
2566
02:11:38.399 --> 02:11:40.119
I got a five year old and you know, within
2567
02:11:40.159 --> 02:11:43.319
a few years, you know, depending on when he shows interest.
2568
02:11:43.439 --> 02:11:45.880
All we got a couple just within a short few
2569
02:11:45.920 --> 02:11:47.359
blocks of my house that we can go to and
2570
02:11:47.399 --> 02:11:48.880
sign them up for me.
2571
02:11:49.199 --> 02:11:51.119
That's I'm forty one. I wish I would have got
2572
02:11:51.199 --> 02:11:55.439
into I was little, so this, I mean it's passed me.
2573
02:11:55.520 --> 02:11:58.079
And watched these kids, I was, you know, I can't
2574
02:11:58.159 --> 02:12:01.640
get them to clean the room or put the DVD
2575
02:12:01.840 --> 02:12:04.520
in the little sleep but they you know, so the
2576
02:12:04.640 --> 02:12:07.760
you know fromon they're all in perfect sync.
2577
02:12:08.520 --> 02:12:14.399
Yes, yeap, All right, well, very cool. You've been very
2578
02:12:14.439 --> 02:12:16.640
generous with your time where the past two hour markets
2579
02:12:16.640 --> 02:12:20.199
flew by. I appreciate your time and and all the
2580
02:12:20.680 --> 02:12:23.800
just frank conversation. I think it's been a really good
2581
02:12:23.800 --> 02:12:26.439
week to have you on and and talk about the
2582
02:12:27.279 --> 02:12:29.600
you know what, what led TNA to the crossroads that
2583
02:12:29.600 --> 02:12:32.520
they're at right now with the tenuous situation with Spike
2584
02:12:32.600 --> 02:12:35.560
TV and where their future lies. And I think a
2585
02:12:35.600 --> 02:12:38.279
lot of the stories you tell, you know firsthand from
2586
02:12:38.319 --> 02:12:40.920
being there for as long as you were, will help
2587
02:12:40.960 --> 02:12:43.479
put in perspective for people. You know why, if you're
2588
02:12:43.479 --> 02:12:45.880
a TNA fan, there's a lot of people within TNA
2589
02:12:45.960 --> 02:12:48.720
who you should be mad at for not taking advantage
2590
02:12:48.720 --> 02:12:50.640
of those who had the talent and the willingness to
2591
02:12:50.680 --> 02:12:52.600
work their ass off and a lot of talent to
2592
02:12:52.640 --> 02:12:54.199
get it to get into a better spot that it's
2593
02:12:54.199 --> 02:12:56.439
in right now. And I think this two hours really
2594
02:12:56.479 --> 02:12:58.680
put really put a focus on that. So I really
2595
02:12:58.680 --> 02:12:59.560
appreciate the insights.
2596
02:13:00.359 --> 02:13:02.039
Not a problem man, Thanks for having.
2597
02:13:01.800 --> 02:13:04.439
Me, absolutely and maybe when this next thing gets rolling,
2598
02:13:04.439 --> 02:13:05.760
we'll have you back on the show to talk about
2599
02:13:05.800 --> 02:13:10.920
that cool Monday. All right, We're that close. Thanks, Thanks
2600
02:13:10.960 --> 02:13:13.840
Sean ernadd, I appreciate that. Thanks to our VIP members
2601
02:13:13.880 --> 02:13:16.119
for joining us here for the after show and on
2602
02:13:16.239 --> 02:13:18.800
behalf of Sean Hernett. This is Wade Keller signing off.
2603
02:13:52.239 --> 02:13:54.720
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2604
02:13:54.800 --> 02:13:58.079
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02:14:02.319 --> 02:14:04.880
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Each week he'll hear the latest news and analysis from
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