AEW DYNAMITE POST-SHOW (10/6): Zilem & JB talk Grand Slam France including Ospreay vs. Okada, Darby vs. Fletcher, Samoa Joe returns, more

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It's time to talk this week's AEW Dynamite.
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JB, we just wrapped up the main event of a really,
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really quality paper flip new type show, uh, that AEW
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gave us on a free TV tonight. Uh, we'll all
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spray Okada for the men's AEW world championship, uh, went
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under 20 minutes and I thought the match was excellent.
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Uh, what are your thoughts? Yeah, no, same here. Uh,
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I think I saw someone mentioned in the chat, but yeah,
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I think you could definitely argue it might be Okada's
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best match in, in AEW overall. Um, I know he
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said some pay-per-view moments and things of that nature. But yeah,
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and really, I liked the fact that it stayed under
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20 minutes, actually. I thought they got a lot done
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in that time.
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It was efficient.
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And it really showed what Okada could do. Obviously, he
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has a bit of history with Ospreay. And I would
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venture to say I have some chemistry with Ospreay as well.
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And I think what I also kind of enjoyed within
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the match is that the history between Ospreay and Okada,
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Okada's head, quite a bit more success than Ospreay during
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the rivalry. So I think that played into the idea that,
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the idea of narrative that, you know, Ospreay is now
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on a new level, pun intended, since winning the title
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at All In and then, you know, being under the
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tutelage of Moxley. So I think that is kind of
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part of the story as well. So I thought that
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worked for this championship match tonight.
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Yeah. And I feel like on a short notice, they
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did a good job kind of building up Okada's domination
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of the series overall between the two. And just, you know,
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it's always going to be forever an AEW kind of problem, right?
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A crux, like a pay-per-view. And just the show in
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a nutshell kind of proves, JB, I really wish they
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would tweak like the pay-per-view format just a little bit
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because they always have the ceiling of having great shows,
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but you can go from great to awesome. If you
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just tweak the format of the match times just a
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little bit, just, you know, The show flew by, and
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the main event was just like under 20 minutes. It
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was fantastic, and Okada had his working boots on. That's
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always kind of like the agenda with Okada. Is he
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going to be 70? I would say 70% Okada is
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obviously still really, really good, but you can always tell
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he's in the mood if he's hitting the dropkicks. And
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then if he's grabbing risk control, then he means business
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at that point.
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Yeah.
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And yeah, like the, the, the dual Rainmaker spot between
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Okada and Osprey would have preferred that maybe Osprey didn't
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kick out at one. And the, I think it was, no,
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Okada didn't kick out at one, Osprey, Rainmaker, but you know,
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that's a small, just a small quibble in the grand
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scheme of things. But yeah, definitely, you know, I'm of
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the opinion that I think it actually made sense to
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spend a good portion.
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I think someone mentioned earlier that he's been in AW
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for 20 months.
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Now, Okada, and But to establish this character first, because
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the rest of the credentials kind of preceded themselves.
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Granted, I know not everyone's watched. I wasn't a regular
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watcher of New Japan.
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I mean, I've seen clips over the years and I've seen,
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you know, shows here and there, but I'm not watching,
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you know, consistently every show.
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But it's good.
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I think that they established kind of a, for, for
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a weekly episodic show, it's important to establish a character and,
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you know, they've slowly done that over time. And I
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think the bill has been good to that. And obviously
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now he's picking it up a little bit in the
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ring for important matches. And I think he said, you
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said he feels more invested now. And I think that
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that's a good thing for AEW. And now he's feeling
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a little bit more top tier and a little bit
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more main event level, which is good for future shows
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and future pay-per-views potential.
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So. Yeah. And, you know, obviously I think like you said,
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him establishing his character the past, you know, few months
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since he's been with AEW, I think that's been the
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proper call. I think his English has gotten so much better.
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That's like kudos to him. I know Wade and I
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had a conversation a couple of weeks ago about Andre,
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not Andrade, I'm sorry, improving his English and it's part
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of the gig, but I mean, still he has to
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go out there and do it. He's out there on
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live television. Yeah. He's got kind of like the silly catchphrase,
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but like, He is kind of understanding just the facials,
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finding the hard cam, doing the face. And, you know,
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at some point we're going to get that baby face
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Okada run. And it's, you know, it's going to be great.
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And I think a lot of fans are kind of
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strapping in and waiting for it, whether it's, you know,
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six months to a year from now, who knows. But
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I think it'll come sooner than later.
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Yeah, absolutely. I mean, at this point, he's got to
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have a face run. It's probably like you said, it's
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probably going to be sooner rather than later. I mean,
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I think it worked for tonight and I liked when
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he did his pre-recorded promo with kind of like the
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Eiffel Tower behind him, kind of, you know, ripping on.
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That was great. Yeah.
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Making sure that he's going to be the firmly established
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heel in the matchup. Obviously, you know, he'll get some cheers.
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It's going to happen, but Ospreay is going to be
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the clear favorite as he should be, particularly in Europe. So, um, yeah,
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I thought that worked out and was a smart thing
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to do before the main event. And they, you know,
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it was built into the main event, which they don't
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always do.
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So.
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Yeah.
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Like on, you should always take advantage of like your scenery,
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especially if you're a completely different country. They were, uh,
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by the art. So why not take advantage of that? And, uh,
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Okada speaking French, very, you know, obviously I recently traveled
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over in Paris. Uh, I can't say I've picked up much. So, uh,
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a lot of his French and Queen Amanata's French, uh,
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flew over my head, unfortunately. So I couldn't, uh, be, uh,
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the translator this evening. So, uh, but I mean, still,
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still very well, but I mean, companies should always take
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advantage of like kind of like unique setup because you're like,
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It's different. You're not backstage. It's not you're not in
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the doldrums of just like the gorilla position. So I'm
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always in favor of just taking advantage of like your
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surrounding area, especially if it's somewhere they don't travel that
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much to. Yeah.
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And, you know, just speaking to that a little bit,
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you know, specifically the arena itself in the crowd. I
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like the staging and entrance ramp set up tonight.
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Yes.
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And, you know, unsurprisingly, the French crowd was pretty much
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red hot all night. And, you know, they got into
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it with their own chants and things of that nature.
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I actually thought it was a little bit more tempered
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than like a WWE style international crowd, which I actually
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liked because sometimes that crowd annoys me a little bit
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too much.
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It's like just nonstop chants and things of that nature.
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They did it tonight, but it was spaced out. It
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felt a little bit more well-paced. So I enjoyed that aspect.
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You know, it's funny, JB. I hear like the, I
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hear that. kind of observation kind of more from like
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the uk crowds where they're kind of just do it
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to the point where they'll get themselves over rather than
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actually kind of doing it towards the show i think
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that happens more in a wwe atmosphere for whatever reason
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i'm not sure why i don't know if because people
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are just going for the vibes and kind of party
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atmosphere which I would say that would completely made sense
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to Ross. I've attended the last couple of years. Um,
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but yeah, no, I'm, I'm for you. They were pretty,
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I mean, they were great all throughout, but obviously they were, they, they,
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they pretty much saved like the, they were electrified. I
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would say for the main event, I know it took
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me more to get there. They just like cranked it
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up another level where, uh, it was completely earned and appropriate.
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It didn't feel, uh, you know, like, uh, They were
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just doing it just because.
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Yeah, they definitely culminated at the main event, which is
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what you want. They peaked at the right moment. Because sometimes,
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you know, it happens two or three, and they're kind
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of burnt out later in the night. But they structured
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the show really well tonight to build to the biggest moment.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, just going over the match again, I mean,
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that second half of the match, I mean, good Lord.
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Yeah.
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I thought one of the better shots of the night
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was Ospreay, uh, hitting the drop kick out and over.
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That was fantastic. Very no notes there. Um, like you
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had mentioned, I understand that people have kind of like
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quarrels over the Alcada kicking out at one. I will
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say Ospreay is not like a big guy though. And
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he didn't get a lot of the Larry because the
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theme through all the night, uh, JB, like I don't
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know if people were still kind of working through their
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feelings over the last uh, you know, uh, few days, uh,
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you know, trying to still kind of, um, emotionally, emotionally
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still trying to like process, uh, the passing of Ben Saturday.
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I just felt like everybody was kind of everybody's emotional support. Like, like,
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wrestling dummy tonight and i'm going to just lariat the
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absolute hack out of you tonight so i can kind
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of actually understand okada doesn't have a lot you know
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it's not like you know will's in a shaped guy
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but he's not like a jack guy it's not like
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he's uh you know mark davis throwing a big nasty
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king kong lariat or anything like that so to that
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part i do kind of believe uh a little bit
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okada could actually get kicked out and be really annoyed
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that this like guy would try to still beat him
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with his own.
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Move that's fair yeah that's fair and You know, I
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give AW a little bit of grace because it's kind
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of baked into the product at this point. And I
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definitely get, like I said, the qualms if that's not
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your type of thing. It's not 100% my thing either.
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I think they do it a little bit too much.
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But for a Will Ospreay match in particular, I mean,
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that's just kind of what it is. And I think
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it works with him just because he's such a different wrestler.
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I wish they would do it less all around the board,
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but I'm much more forgiving in an Ospreay type match. Yeah.
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Yeah, and also if you can kind of just make
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it make– if you can make the kickout make sense,
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if you were just so annoyed where you can kind
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of just like that's the one time it happens all
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throughout the night in the match, okay, perfectly fine. Less
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is always more, but it's probably going to potentially happen
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more in the Osprey match or in a Mega match
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than most, but I would say I give complete grace
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with that fully. But on that note, JB, I'm ready.
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Let's go ahead and dive in and introduce the show.
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As you can tell, Wade Keller is not hosting tonight.
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He's not feeling well. So JB and I wanted to
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kind of give him some grace and rest up. I mean,
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Wade's always busting his butt every day. You know, he's
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done some great work. You know, the newsletter last week
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just kind of go over and pack and everything was,
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you know, fantastic. And all the stuff the site split
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out on Ben Satterley, it's been great. So appreciate everybody's
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support with that. But yeah, I am Brian Zolm. I
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write the weekly hits and misses for AEW Collision. And
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I might sneak in some other blurbs, interviews, notes from
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the AEW press conferences here and there. And I'm happy
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to be a contributor on the site and joined this
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evening with JB. Now, JB, you do the hits and
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misses weekly for TNA, is that correct? Correct.
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Yeah, I do the weekly hits and misses for TNA,
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usually drops Friday or Saturday, dropped a little bit later
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this week because I had some things going on. But
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I also do the A to B with pay-per-view primers.
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I'll do one next week for WrestleDream, probably around this time.
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And then I also do a weekly podcast and daily
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cast with Zach Clark called Destination Impact for TNA as well.
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And next Monday.
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We'll do a show for this weekend is Bound for Glory.
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So it's arguably TNA's biggest pay-per-view of the year. So
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we'll do a show covering that, possibly in a roundtable format,
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also with Darren Lilly. That's not confirmed yet, but we
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might do that next week.
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Yeah, if I saw that correctly, we had some breaking
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TNA news. They changed the start timer of the pay-per-view,
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didn't they?
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Oh, well, I actually missed that. It was afternoon.
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I believe, if I saw that correctly.
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I don't know.
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It's kind of odd because it's like they're not running
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against anything big, I don't think, because money in the.
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Bank is on Saturday.
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It's a little weird, but maybe they thought they could
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get more people. I'm not sure.
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Yeah. I mean, it's something to discuss. Yeah. But for
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our audio listeners, we are live on YouTube. If you'd
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involved in the show. Uh, we really appreciate it. Um,
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And now we'll go ahead and get caught up on
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the comments appreciate everybody joining us on this odd tuesday
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uh tuesday night war i guess uh i i yeah
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um i haven't really seen much of uh any blurbs
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of nxt i've been i avoided um socials to make
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sure i wasn't seeing spoilers tonight jb so Yeah.
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I don't really watch NXT. I mean, I stopped. I
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used to.
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Black and Gold NXT was probably my favorite wrestling in
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the last 20 years, but I kind of stopped watching
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a couple years back now, so it wasn't really an
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issue for me. But I saw in the chat there is,
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I don't know if it's really, I wouldn't say it's
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a spoiler, but there might be a small spoiler in
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the chat, but nothing big.
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Okay, gotcha, gotcha.
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All right.
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Got Derek Mitchell in the chat. Hello, Derek. Always good
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to see you. Rude Dog, good to see you. Rude
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Dog says, best Okada match in AEW in my opinion. Hmm.
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I mean, for me, I'm a little partial to Bayley
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and Okada at Double or Nothing last year. That's just
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me because I was there and I really felt like
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that was for me like the full, I think that
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was honestly the first time I saw Okada live, JB.
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And that was my first Mike Bayley experience as well.
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So that, that to me, that always hits a pedestal.
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I was at, I saw Omega and Okada in Dallas and,
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you know, it just unfortunately didn't hit. Um, I mean,
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obviously Okada, Okada and the trios, uh, are the three way, uh,
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at all in was great. Um, but yeah, I would
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still say, um, Okada Bailey, that's been my favorite, uh,
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AW so far. I also like really weird, um, i
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really like the okay there was this random you know
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as you watch collision jb as you know you'll see
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random collision as matches uh okada just wrestled a commander
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one time and i really enjoyed that and i was
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like i really like that it just like you know
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okada just i felt like okada helped him out a
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lot and i don't know i'll always kind of just
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as you watch these random shows you'll have like Memories
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of just things no one will ever bring up in
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casual conversation or recaps. But I'll remember Okada and Okada
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Commander a lot. I really enjoyed that.
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Yeah, I think you could make the argument.
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I mean, like I said, there's several of them, but
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I can definitely see this, you know, depending on your taste,
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this being your favorite Okada match in AW. Actually, King
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of the North just said mine, but yeah, I think
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it was Okada Takashita from Double or Nothing for me.
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Oh, yeah, also.
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My favorite.
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Yeah, excellent.
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But yeah, we're kind of splitting hairs here because they're
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all very good matches. And yeah, let's say definitively this
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is Okada's best match in AW TV proper.
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So yeah no i i feel like that's fair i
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was trying to even think of anything else there there's
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been like kind of hits and misses i mean even
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him and danielson was i haven't gone back and look
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at it i'm sure it was good but i know
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it wasn't like it i i know it wasn't good
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as this okada swerve i remember not that not gelling
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at all i'm trying to think if there was any
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other okada random dynamite c2 matches that i can I
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think there might be, you know, the chat on our
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YouTube side. Feel free to hit us up. Got Derek
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Mitchell back in the chat, hitting up Rude Dog. Didn't
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follow Okada closely in New Japan. Knew he had great
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matches that solidified his legacy, but after signing 20 months later,
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he's hitting his stride. Yeah, no, I really agree. I
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would say, you know, for anybody who hasn't, our audio
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listeners and obviously our folks watching on YouTube, um the
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okada jay white wrestle kingdom fantastic like absolutely love that
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and i was a guy i didn't really uh i
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was a not believer in jay white and then i
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finally a year into watching jay white and the feud
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that was built with okada i finally kind of fell
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in love with jay white and the match he had
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with jay white and wrestle kingdom that was fantastic.
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Yeah absolutely it's unfortunately looks like jay white's kind of
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hurt again for a couple months god bless it man
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yeah So you got to understand why Tony Khan maybe
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hasn't put the rocket to him. It's just because you
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got to trust that he's going to be able to
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stay healthy before you can, push him too hard, unfortunately.
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No, and it's unfortunate, Jay, because I feel like in
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his last stint, he cut one of the best promos
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since he's been on AEW television.
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It was great.
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And, you know, it just– i and i i honestly
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i don't know if he was necessarily 100 jb i
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i don't know i'm just i was kind of all
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i can do uh wade obviously talks to people so
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he he would know i just i have to go
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by my eyeballs and i just something just fell off
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where he just didn't feel like a hundred percent you
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know maybe he was still trying to get back in
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the stride he just looked i don't know he didn't
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have that like snap like like the switchblade you're waiting
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for it he just He didn't really look like it
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in the matches he was in. I mean, I don't
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ever want to go back and watch that double chain
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match ever again. I don't ever want to watch that again. Yeah,
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that was no bueno. But maybe that's why he was
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kind of set up in matches like that, just because
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he wasn't all the way back yet. But I hope
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he gets there because I really still feel like there's
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something to be had with Jay White at some point.
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All right. Power driver Pete. I'm a creature of habit.
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I watched NXT. LOL. I forgot about AEW being on
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tonight and was surprised not to see Kelly and Nate. Yep.
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Sorry to disappoint you.
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Yeah, sorry. This is not NXT. We got Derek Mitchell
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back in the chat. I thought Okada versus Will. Match
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was fantastic. Although the excessive spamming of signatures is a
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personal peeve of mine. Yeah. I would say completely understand Derek.
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I would say based on this atmosphere on the occasion,
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if you wanted to go all killer, no filler, perfectly
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fine tonight because the fans ate it up. You had
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to keep everything on time. I, you probably obviously could
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have told that maybe more insightful story. If you had another,
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maybe 10 minutes, but again, based on kind of like
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the format timing overseas, you were probably not going to
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be able to do that. Um, but, There are occasions
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where you kind of just want that adrenaline rush. And
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I would say, again, based on how the match ended
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and was formatted and it still told the story where,
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like you said at the top of the show, JB, well,
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Ospreay is on another level. So I'm completely fine on
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how it's set up.
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Yeah, I mean, in a vacuum tonight was actually fine.
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It was perfect.
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I do see in the greater picture, I see the
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argument that AEW does it too much.
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It's kind of like WWE.
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In a vacuum in many situations, you could justify the
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interference finishes, but when it just happens every episode or
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across the board, yeah, then it brings down, you know,
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it takes away from your investment overall. So I do
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get Derek's point as well, even though tonight I thought
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it worked fine. Yeah.
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King of the North in the chat. Wade Keller, give
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Brian Zilma a raise. Appreciate that. Hey, I mean, we
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got to give JB a raise if anything.
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You can take that for my paycheck, actually.
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Hey. I mean, hey, JB, if you, you know, people
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want to... give me uh feel bad for me i'm
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uh you know covering collision i i would say uh
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covering tna weekly that's probably more of a chore yeah
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for sure you should get the raise.
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It'd be completely transparent don't know if i'd be watching
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weekly if i wasn't covering it for the torch so.
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I completely understand it just i i kind of see
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i casually read some of your stuff but it just
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seems like the matt and jeff variety hour for the
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most part i just I don't know what that show
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is at this point.
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Yeah, I don't think they'd know what they are either,
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if I'm being perfectly honest.
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And that's not to say there's not some good stuff.
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I mean, there is some good stuff, but there's just
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a lot of crazy stuff too, in my opinion. But,
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you know, that's a conversation for another day.
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Yes. Brian Olson in the chat. Hello, Brian and JB.
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Have a great show. Brian originally from Detroit.
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That's that's my gimmick yeah brian's been around for a
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long time uh he's a forget me probably like a
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30 something year subscriber now or something like that.
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That's fantastic glad to have you brian all right standard
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deviation i'm glad wade reminded me the last night or
483
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i would have missed tonight um you know i it's
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hard because i i feel like on collision they hammered
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that home and i feel like they mentioned it here
486
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and there last week but obviously due to the circumstances
487
00:24:06.740 --> 00:24:08.309
i know they weren't kind of like beat you over
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the head with it um you know i mean obviously
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they could have since they've already kind of had them
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i feel like they mentioned it on the collision go
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home show before the previous pay-per-view because they kind of
492
00:24:20.900 --> 00:24:25.339
obviously set up uh jericho and nick wayne because that
493
00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:26.779
was like one of the first matches they put on
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the card so i feel like they didn't mention that
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but i mean obviously they were gonna hammer it home
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last week.
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Yeah no and yeah and they've actually mentioned it was
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a Tuesday since they announced like Grand Slam Paris. So
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it's not like it's completely new. However, you know, people
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have very busy schedules, very busy lives. So it's easy
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to forget things like that. So, and I get it.
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It was just weird circumstance with obviously the Pack Tribute
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Show being last week.
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So that's not the best timing in that regard. But yeah,
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I think they were, they were moved.
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Because of baseball playoffs on TNT and TBS. So that's
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the reason for it being on tonight.
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Yeah, I'm sure that's, I'd had to go back and
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look at their schedule. I think you're going to have wacky,
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Tuesdays and probably wherever they want to fill in collision
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soon with all the parameters of sports. You've got not
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only baseball, you've got hockey starting up, you've got college football,
513
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and then you've got the Skydance change, which Tony Khan
514
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officially said this was his first day working at Skydance,
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which is still very notable as far as the merger
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being complete. So, you know, hope all goes well there.
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Back to our YouTube chat for our audio listeners, Derek
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00:25:31.569 --> 00:25:33.819
Mitchell back in the chat. It's a The same enter
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setup WWE has used in the past.
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Yeah.
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Derek's referencing something JB mentioned on the setup, which, yeah.
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I mean, I didn't mind that at all just because, again,
523
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get as many people in there. You don't need the.
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The pompous and the omniance of like the WrestleMania field.
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Cause that's what all out are, you know, uh, all
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ends for sorry, WrestleMania. Like, cause I think that building
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you probably, I think you can have about 8,000 or
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something or another or something. So it's not like this huge,
529
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huge building. So like I'm completely get as many people
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in there as you can. And, um, I did see
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one spoiler JB apparently, uh, uh this really cool clip
532
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of the crowd getting involved in a match at some
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point which looked really fun i don't know if it
534
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was in a match or like post-match but maybe we'll
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see it on.
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Collision but it looked really cool yeah no yeah like
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i said like crowd gets into it like you said
538
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:35.309
i mean yeah it makes sense the configure i don't
539
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know if the video ran the same building i'm sure
540
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they ran a bigger one when they were in they.
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Had to be at a bigger one right because i
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imagine uh yeah because because i think of the money
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in the bank show and i feel like the the
544
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building they were in was like enormous and.
545
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Granted that's money in the bank versus random dynamite but
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right yeah so All right, back to our YouTube chat
547
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for our audio listing.
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Standard deviation back in the chat said the difference between
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the crowd reactions and one ring kickout versus the ringmaker
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00:27:03.259 --> 00:27:05.779
kickout tonight is evidence of how important it is to
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regularly condition the audience to what something means. Yeah, no,
552
00:27:11.769 --> 00:27:15.869
for sure. I mean, obviously, you know, a clothesline is
553
00:27:15.910 --> 00:27:18.410
not necessarily like the most devastating move in all of
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professional wrestling or sports entertainment. Completely understand that. Uh, you know,
555
00:27:23.190 --> 00:27:25.609
although I'm sure there's, you know, several people that have
556
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kicked out of the people's elbow. So, I mean, yeah, you,
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you probably, you probably want to protect it a little bit.
558
00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:34.779
Um, it's like, you know, one wing angels, you're very
559
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much protected.
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I would say for sure. So. Yeah. No, and I
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do enjoy how Ospreay's got this other, you know, various arsenals. Now,
562
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I would like it for, I think he's done it recently,
563
00:27:47.990 --> 00:27:50.789
but I wouldn't hate the idea of Ospreay winning more
564
00:27:50.829 --> 00:27:54.289
with Styles Clashes. That's just me. Like, win more with
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a Styles Clash. Like, not all the time, but just, like,
566
00:27:57.309 --> 00:27:59.230
you know, sprinkle it in so that way everybody's on
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the hook. Kind of like with Sami Zayn and the
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00:28:01.269 --> 00:28:03.329
Blue Thunder Bomb. That's just me.
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00:28:04.029 --> 00:28:05.069
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
570
00:28:05.089 --> 00:28:05.329
It's good.
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00:28:05.349 --> 00:28:07.170
Like you said, Vosprey has quite an arsenal. I mean,
572
00:28:07.190 --> 00:28:08.910
we all know that, but yeah, the Hidden Blade too.
573
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Stormbreaker.
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00:28:10.750 --> 00:28:15.769
Yeah, Stormbreaker. What's the one that he was, that Tiger Driver.
575
00:28:16.069 --> 00:28:17.099
Yeah, Triver Tiger.
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00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.039
Yeah, so.
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Let's see. AI viewers, it's twitchstar.com. I think that might
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be spam.
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00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:29.119
Yeah, I was thinking earlier.
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Sorry, oops.
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00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:30.829
Makes sense, yeah.
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Sorry, guys. King of the North. These guys kicking out
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of each other's big moves makes perfect sense. Faction mates
584
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in Japan way back. Yeah, absolutely.
585
00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:41.440
Yeah, maybe more sense tonight for sure, just because of
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the long history together.
587
00:28:43.269 --> 00:28:45.509
Yeah, great reminder, King of the North. I mean, I've
588
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forgotten that, honestly, as well, that they were obviously stable mates.
589
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And Chaos, if I remember correctly. King of the North
590
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back in the YouTube chats, or for audio listeners, they
591
00:28:57.049 --> 00:29:04.319
were still strangers. It'd be all over the criticism. Let's see,
592
00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:07.660
Rude Dog back in the chat. Good job, bro. Wade
593
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:10.380
needs a break every now and then. Yeah, absolutely. Wade
594
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works really hard, and he's got to ease in. He's
595
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got a lot of stuff coming up. Hockey season just
596
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tipped off. He's got basketball in. He's got a pay-per-view
597
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to potentially attend. We'll have to ask Wade, JB, if
598
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he's actually going to attend.
599
00:29:26.250 --> 00:29:29.349
Yeah, Wade's in Minneapolis, I think.
600
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Yes, it is.
601
00:29:31.710 --> 00:29:36.359
How very convenient Wade gets to attend potentially two major
602
00:29:36.819 --> 00:29:39.890
events from WWE and AEW all in the same year.
603
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:41.779
Yeah that's uh it's.
604
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:46.509
Nice yeah no i've never been um i don't know
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if december is potentially the best time to go to
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minneapolis but um yeah i'd.
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Like to go if i could i've been for a
608
00:29:54.289 --> 00:29:57.819
lions vikings game um a couple years back but um Yeah,
609
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.200
so actually really beautiful cities in St.
610
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Paul and Minneapolis, the Twin Cities.
611
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:06.240
And it was a colder weather month as well, but
612
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it was still really nice. It was actually cool, a
613
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lot of walkways between the buildings and stuff like that
614
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:12.819
as well, where you stayed indoors. So it wasn't as
615
00:30:12.859 --> 00:30:15.380
bad having to be out cold in the streets. But
616
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I'm from the Detroit area, which also gets pretty cold
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through the winter, so I'm kind of used to it.
618
00:30:19.430 --> 00:30:26.369
Yeah, I am a Wyoming-ing, how do you say? I'm I'm,
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00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:28.970
I was born in Wyoming. I don't know where, what
620
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the proper, uh, vernacular is there. So I've got, I've
621
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cold blooded, but, uh, I don't, I don't complain about
622
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the heat anymore, JB. Uh, I don't remember like two
623
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or three years ago. Do you remember when Texas like
624
00:30:42.890 --> 00:30:45.829
had a snowstorm and just the state kind of fell apart? Yeah.
625
00:30:46.109 --> 00:30:49.740
That was not fun. Um, going about three days without
626
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:55.269
power and a week without hot water. Um, We've got
627
00:30:55.289 --> 00:30:59.589
tankless water heaters outside. One of them busted and was
628
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flaking through the stove.
629
00:31:01.980 --> 00:31:03.079
So that was fun.
630
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So I've decided I would never complain about a summer
631
00:31:07.220 --> 00:31:11.220
again because I was like, the cold, this sucks. I
632
00:31:11.259 --> 00:31:15.150
will never ever want to move somewhere where it's that cold.
633
00:31:15.190 --> 00:31:19.660
But again, Minnesota, Detroit... are prepared for that uh texas
634
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:20.880
is obviously not.
635
00:31:21.059 --> 00:31:22.339
Yeah i gotta say this is like my favorite time
636
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:24.609
of the year because our weather's like 70 degrees during
637
00:31:24.619 --> 00:31:26.130
the days and it's been sunny the last couple of
638
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:28.130
days so it's pretty not too hot not too cold
639
00:31:28.190 --> 00:31:31.470
you can wear your sweatshirt at night um but obviously
640
00:31:31.490 --> 00:31:33.130
we're a couple months away from getting really cold but
641
00:31:33.170 --> 00:31:35.410
our summers are real nice as well so i can't
642
00:31:35.430 --> 00:31:36.390
complain you.
643
00:31:36.309 --> 00:31:39.769
Know it's i want to knock on something jb uh
644
00:31:40.309 --> 00:31:44.119
during The early parts of the morning were getting like
645
00:31:44.380 --> 00:31:47.079
a brisk 64. I actually had to throw on a
646
00:31:47.099 --> 00:31:50.799
little vest to walk the dog this morning. Now, mind you,
647
00:31:50.859 --> 00:31:55.509
it was still 88 today. So I think we're out
648
00:31:55.549 --> 00:32:01.529
of like the horrific parts of the hot summer. So yeah,
649
00:32:01.589 --> 00:32:04.930
that's our fall. It'll be 80s. And this might be
650
00:32:04.990 --> 00:32:07.930
kind of a year where Texas is probably, you know,
651
00:32:08.210 --> 00:32:11.509
we could potentially go swimming on Christmas. That's... It has
652
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that vibe to it.
653
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It happens.
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On Tuesday nights, the conversation doesn't stop when NXT ends.
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Back to our youtube chat i know everybody's over the
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00:32:51.619 --> 00:32:55.279
weather channel at this point standard deviation back in the
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chat says kicking out early is good concept that can
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make sense in a few different ways so it continues
670
00:33:00.430 --> 00:33:02.710
to be done appropriately i think it'll become accepted and
671
00:33:02.750 --> 00:33:04.309
stable uh main event wrestling.
672
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.180
Yeah, there's places for it, absolutely. I think you have
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to pick your places, but absolutely. I mean, I think,
674
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like I said, it can work in a situation like this.
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It works perfect.
676
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Yeah.
677
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:14.460
There's other situations where I think NAW has done it
678
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where I'm like, eh, did that really deserve kind of a,
679
00:33:17.099 --> 00:33:20.619
like I say, a spam finisher scenario? I'm like, eh,
680
00:33:20.779 --> 00:33:22.799
I think you'd say that better pick your battles for that. But,
681
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you know, those are things we talk about in different episodes.
682
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Yeah, so we'll go ahead and touch on the TNT
683
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title match next, JB. Any other final thoughts from the
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main event?
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00:33:35.470 --> 00:33:38.890
No, the one aspect I'll add is that Speedball potentially
686
00:33:38.910 --> 00:33:41.880
being involved in the Clockwork Carnage match, I'm assuming he
687
00:33:41.910 --> 00:33:45.099
wins this Saturday to qualify, is kind of an interesting
688
00:33:45.140 --> 00:33:48.759
wrinkle now that he's obviously part of Ospreay's United Empire.
689
00:33:49.339 --> 00:33:51.640
So really would like to see how they interact during
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that type of match. I think obviously they'll interact well
691
00:33:57.099 --> 00:33:59.880
because they're so early on. But I want to know
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if they'll kind of team up or what have you,
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or if that becomes part of the storyline.
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So, yes.
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00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:09.019
Yeah, Kyle Fletcher, Darby Allin, exactly what I thought it
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was going to be. I thought there was maybe a
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chance that they were going to switch a title because
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all these title matches, I thought maybe there was going
699
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to be a slim title change tonight. I was like, God,
700
00:34:22.539 --> 00:34:26.730
could Kofi win the Ring of Honor title? I thought
701
00:34:26.769 --> 00:34:30.929
maybe there was a chance, but these two absolutely did
702
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unspeakable things to their bodies. Of course, Darby somehow is
703
00:34:38.030 --> 00:34:42.909
able to do these feats of just splatting himself into
704
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Lillian JB. It's incredible. Somehow he did a reverse monkey
705
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flip into the French announced table as Kyle Fletcher flipped
706
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:57.179
him like a pancake. Incredible. The dive from Darby on
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top of the ring post killing Darby. fletcher into the
708
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:05.530
barricade that was fantastic and uh i thought fletcher overall
709
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did a great job selling his knee um you know
710
00:35:08.590 --> 00:35:14.349
darby bleeding buckets of blood like a runny sink it
711
00:35:14.369 --> 00:35:17.590
was it was it was great and um you know
712
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darby uh hit uh he had kyle on the scorpion
713
00:35:22.710 --> 00:35:25.809
death lock worked over the knee hit two coffin drops
714
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and uh retained i believe it went under.
715
00:35:27.949 --> 00:35:31.239
17 minutes Yeah, no, it was obviously a great match. Darby's,
716
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:32.960
you know, probably the best bump taker in the business.
717
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:37.650
And Fletcher, you know, definitely justified those bumps tonight with
718
00:35:37.869 --> 00:35:39.909
his offense, which is always still crisp.
719
00:35:39.969 --> 00:35:42.989
And, you know, it was pretty hard hitting tonight. Yeah,
720
00:35:43.010 --> 00:35:43.989
so good match overall.
721
00:35:44.329 --> 00:35:46.710
I think this was obviously, you know, Darby and Fletcher
722
00:35:46.750 --> 00:35:48.239
have a pretty good rivalry going back now.
723
00:35:48.989 --> 00:35:50.579
And I think this match was kind of.
724
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:53.039
To further what I think had to be an audible
725
00:35:53.059 --> 00:35:55.179
that was called, obviously, after the Stephen Borden injury.
726
00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:56.780
Yes. I think.
727
00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:58.820
Darby and Borden were actually supposed to win that match
728
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:00.570
and become the number one contenders for the tag titles.
729
00:36:00.789 --> 00:36:01.590
I believe so.
730
00:36:01.769 --> 00:36:04.429
But obviously they had to call that match just a precaution,
731
00:36:04.449 --> 00:36:07.500
which was the right thing to do. But I actually
732
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.559
think that the match change in and of itself is
733
00:36:10.579 --> 00:36:13.389
a happy coincidence. because I like the idea of having
734
00:36:13.409 --> 00:36:16.050
the Young Bucks versus Knight and Fletcher for the tag titles,
735
00:36:16.170 --> 00:36:19.230
because more because it's a pure face versus heel tag
736
00:36:19.250 --> 00:36:21.250
team dynamic, as opposed to a little bit of the
737
00:36:21.309 --> 00:36:23.269
nebulous would have been Darby and Borden would also be
738
00:36:23.369 --> 00:36:26.610
faces versus the Bucks who are, you know, also ostensibly faces.
739
00:36:27.050 --> 00:36:28.820
So it actually kind of worked out a little bit
740
00:36:28.860 --> 00:36:31.659
in that regard. Curious to see what they do with
741
00:36:31.699 --> 00:36:34.280
Darby now, obviously still the TNT champion, you know, Borden's
742
00:36:34.300 --> 00:36:36.019
probably gonna be out just a few weeks, but seeing,
743
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:38.340
you know, if they continue with that pairing or if
744
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:40.559
they take things a little bit slower with Borden or
745
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:42.119
if they just move forward with Darby's as a single
746
00:36:42.179 --> 00:36:44.110
guy for right now. So just really kind of curious
747
00:36:44.139 --> 00:36:45.889
about how they, how they structure that moving forward.
748
00:36:46.610 --> 00:36:52.269
Yeah. You know, super important. Best wishes to Steven. That
749
00:36:52.309 --> 00:36:55.889
was obviously like a scary situation. AEW handled that, you know,
750
00:36:56.949 --> 00:37:00.449
the best way possible as far as stopping the match. Uh, yeah, no,
751
00:37:00.510 --> 00:37:03.260
I'm super intrigued to see like how the, the tag
752
00:37:03.300 --> 00:37:06.619
title scene plays out. It was just like, just an
753
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:11.179
interesting wrinkle because it, you know, they, sometimes AEW does
754
00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:13.699
like to throw you off at the scent. It's like, wait,
755
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:16.320
why would you do this? So I know obviously it's
756
00:37:16.340 --> 00:37:19.940
kind of complicated things. Um, but the injection of still
757
00:37:19.980 --> 00:37:24.969
kind of keeping Fletcher and night relevant on TV, uh,
758
00:37:25.820 --> 00:37:29.340
as you know two the guys who arguably could be
759
00:37:29.380 --> 00:37:32.460
world champions at some point is still really relevant kyle
760
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:36.480
has gotten behind working with knight even though there's still
761
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:39.059
like the attention they can circle back to uh with
762
00:37:39.139 --> 00:37:43.400
okada and uh no i'm really looking forward to that
763
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:45.559
match against the bucks at wrestle dreams i think the
764
00:37:45.739 --> 00:37:48.929
chemistry should be great thinking uh you know you had
765
00:37:48.949 --> 00:37:51.550
to ask you know what's next for darby i i
766
00:37:51.710 --> 00:37:56.039
immediately thought this um when they did the all out
767
00:37:56.420 --> 00:38:00.719
kind of, you know, tease of Wardlow, I thought immediately
768
00:38:02.260 --> 00:38:05.260
going to Wardlow, they were going to try it one
769
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:09.489
more time. And if you're going to go, if you're
770
00:38:09.510 --> 00:38:11.969
going to try to get this guy over Darby's the
771
00:38:11.989 --> 00:38:16.750
guy that's who you, and I would say Darby and
772
00:38:17.090 --> 00:38:22.099
Darby's Teflon, he can take, any loss at this point
773
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.480
and be completely fine. Look at the year this guy
774
00:38:24.500 --> 00:38:27.199
has had. He's, I don't want to, I mean, is
775
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:29.519
it hyperbolic to say he's a made guy where it's like,
776
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:31.820
if he loses, I don't think it's kind of like,
777
00:38:31.940 --> 00:38:34.139
there's going to be this, ah, outrage. Why did you
778
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:38.550
beat Darby Allen? I think if you're gonna rehab Wardlow
779
00:38:38.570 --> 00:38:42.250
in any way, I think you just have Wardlow just
780
00:38:42.309 --> 00:38:44.670
like throw around Darby and beat him for the TNT
781
00:38:44.690 --> 00:38:45.510
title or WrestleDream.
782
00:38:45.730 --> 00:38:46.070
Why not?
783
00:38:46.090 --> 00:38:46.369
Yeah.
784
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:47.760
No, absolutely.
785
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:50.579
I'd be perfectly open to that. I mean, uh, like
786
00:38:50.619 --> 00:38:52.780
you said, um, yeah, I think, I'm sure Darby and
787
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:54.780
Wardlow have wrestled in the past. Have they feuded for
788
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:56.610
the TNT title in the past? Cause I know Wardlow's
789
00:38:56.619 --> 00:38:57.280
had it in time.
790
00:38:57.320 --> 00:38:58.670
So has Darby. They might've.
791
00:38:59.530 --> 00:39:00.909
See, I'm trying to, I'm trying to remember cause I
792
00:39:00.929 --> 00:39:05.809
know Wardlow did wrestle Orange Cassidy in kind of like his, uh, brain,
793
00:39:06.429 --> 00:39:09.050
brain that did not end well. Uh, that was like
794
00:39:09.130 --> 00:39:14.070
the Samoa Joe, uh, uh, powerhouse Hobbs. And the, I
795
00:39:14.469 --> 00:39:17.829
think that's when you lost the powerhouse Hobbs, Viva QT, Marshall,
796
00:39:18.210 --> 00:39:22.150
not necessarily great, uh, chat. I mean, if you want
797
00:39:22.170 --> 00:39:24.230
to help us out, I can't really recall off the
798
00:39:24.250 --> 00:39:24.630
top of my head.
799
00:39:24.670 --> 00:39:26.449
I'm sure they've at least had a match, but they
800
00:39:26.469 --> 00:39:29.940
may have even feuded for a period of time. But yeah, no,
801
00:39:29.980 --> 00:39:31.280
I mean, I think that really works. Like you said,
802
00:39:31.300 --> 00:39:32.940
Darby's a bump machine and Wardlow's kind of a big
803
00:39:32.980 --> 00:39:35.380
powerhouse guy. It's a little bit easier for him to
804
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:37.280
kind of just throw Darby around as opposed to have
805
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.489
to move around and Darby can create that movement, which is,
806
00:39:39.510 --> 00:39:42.050
you know, important for Wardlow who came out with like
807
00:39:42.090 --> 00:39:44.829
two knee braces, I think like an arm brace last week.
808
00:39:44.849 --> 00:39:47.389
So like, he's looking like the, the million dollar man
809
00:39:47.409 --> 00:39:49.650
or we can rebuild him.
810
00:39:50.460 --> 00:39:50.940
Kind of deal.
811
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:55.210
But yeah, which I guess is a slight Steve Austin.
812
00:39:55.610 --> 00:39:56.929
Yeah, a little bit.
813
00:39:57.070 --> 00:39:58.349
I mean, God bless him.
814
00:39:58.510 --> 00:40:01.010
Ties into our show. So we've come full circle.
815
00:40:01.730 --> 00:40:05.579
Yeah. And I mean, you think of you know, the aftermath,
816
00:40:05.619 --> 00:40:08.739
I'm kind of already thinking, okay, if you built up Wardlow,
817
00:40:09.099 --> 00:40:12.699
you know, who could, I look at a guy like Speedball,
818
00:40:13.219 --> 00:40:15.429
that would be a perfect guy to be Slay the
819
00:40:15.469 --> 00:40:18.469
Beast and have him like have a big singles title
820
00:40:18.750 --> 00:40:19.269
kind of moment.
821
00:40:19.309 --> 00:40:19.889
That'd be great.
822
00:40:20.349 --> 00:40:20.510
Yeah.
823
00:40:20.550 --> 00:40:23.050
Well, Speedball Wardlow would also be great. Like similar situation
824
00:40:23.070 --> 00:40:25.329
with Darby, he can create the movement. You know, he,
825
00:40:25.349 --> 00:40:27.219
I don't think he's had a single, he hasn't had
826
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:29.380
a singles title at AEW to this point, which obviously
827
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:31.230
there's quite a few of those. But yeah, to have
828
00:40:31.250 --> 00:40:33.190
him as kind of the plucky underdog that would end
829
00:40:33.210 --> 00:40:35.789
up ultimately defeating Wardlow, now obviously we're talking a little
830
00:40:35.809 --> 00:40:37.639
bit down the road here, but that's something that I
831
00:40:37.659 --> 00:40:39.119
can certainly see happening potentially.
832
00:40:40.099 --> 00:40:42.880
Absolutely. And our audio listeners, going back to our YouTube
833
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:47.739
chat here, Kingdom North says his favorite match with Okada
834
00:40:47.780 --> 00:40:49.980
in AEW. Okada to Tasha from Double or Nothing for me.
835
00:40:50.099 --> 00:40:51.340
And I completely forgot.
836
00:40:51.389 --> 00:40:53.389
I referred to that earlier too. Yeah, I mean, I
837
00:40:53.469 --> 00:40:53.929
agree with that.
838
00:40:53.949 --> 00:40:56.849
Yeah. Yeah, King of the North reminding us again. Thank you,
839
00:40:56.869 --> 00:41:01.039
King of the North. Takesha Master of Dorada. That was three-way.
840
00:41:01.059 --> 00:41:05.679
That was great, too. I completely forgot about that. King
841
00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:08.539
of the North just hitting us up. Okada Takesha versus
842
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:11.030
Young Bucks. That was also great, too. I completely forgot
843
00:41:11.050 --> 00:41:15.409
about that. I'm sorry, guys. I should have had more.
844
00:41:15.510 --> 00:41:19.869
I appreciate the chat kind of reminding us. Okada has
845
00:41:19.889 --> 00:41:23.710
a great shit. Eden Grin. Yes, he certainly does. Standard Deviation.
846
00:41:23.730 --> 00:41:27.360
Appreciate that. Uh, King of the North responds. The Denzel
847
00:41:27.380 --> 00:41:28.440
TV match wasn't great.
848
00:41:28.739 --> 00:41:29.079
Yeah.
849
00:41:29.139 --> 00:41:32.800
I don't remember it being that great. I just, you know,
850
00:41:33.469 --> 00:41:37.670
not that I recall. Oh, I, God bless it. Uh, JB,
851
00:41:37.690 --> 00:41:40.489
I forgot about this one. This was honestly, I should
852
00:41:40.510 --> 00:41:44.179
have thought about this one. Standard deviation, Okada versus Pac.
853
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:47.739
That was, yeah, that was great. I, um, completely forgot
854
00:41:47.780 --> 00:41:48.300
about that one.
855
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:49.300
Yeah.
856
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:50.980
Yeah, no, absolutely.
857
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.239
I mean, all those, like I said, Okada's never, I
858
00:41:53.579 --> 00:41:55.480
don't think I saw a match where Okada was like, oh,
859
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:58.539
that was a bad match. Maybe it underperformed the expectation,
860
00:41:58.619 --> 00:42:02.679
but I think they're all at least quality matches at
861
00:42:02.699 --> 00:42:05.130
a minimum, just relative to expectation with Okada at this point.
862
00:42:05.550 --> 00:42:11.989
Yeah. Center deviation, I think the opener to, I think...
863
00:42:13.340 --> 00:42:16.239
I think the opener to a pay-per-view, I think it
864
00:42:16.260 --> 00:42:18.989
felt like an opener, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong,
865
00:42:19.010 --> 00:42:23.969
standard deviation. Let's see. We've got standard deviation back in
866
00:42:23.989 --> 00:42:26.889
our YouTube chat. This didn't feel like a final match
867
00:42:26.909 --> 00:42:31.190
between them. Let's put it that way. Yeah, yeah, no,
868
00:42:31.210 --> 00:42:32.369
for sure. They could easily pick.
869
00:42:32.269 --> 00:42:35.070
That up at any point in time. Yeah, you're referring
870
00:42:35.090 --> 00:42:36.090
to Osprey Okada, correct?
871
00:42:36.170 --> 00:42:38.159
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I mean, they have such a history.
872
00:42:38.179 --> 00:42:40.460
I think they might have a 13, well, I think
873
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:42.380
tonight would be like their 14th match against each other.
874
00:42:42.889 --> 00:42:44.690
So, yeah, I mean, that certainly can be revisited.
875
00:42:45.449 --> 00:42:45.610
Yep.
876
00:42:46.090 --> 00:42:49.269
In the history, I think, including New Japan, obviously. Absolutely.
877
00:42:49.650 --> 00:42:52.550
Derek Mitchell back in our YouTube chat. I wish I
878
00:42:52.590 --> 00:42:55.059
spent more time watching Okada in his prime, but there
879
00:42:55.380 --> 00:42:58.179
is only 24 hours in a day. Absolutely understand, Derek.
880
00:42:58.820 --> 00:43:05.670
He's among the greatest Japanese wrestler, along with Mishawa, Muda, Liger, Tanahashi,
881
00:43:05.789 --> 00:43:06.570
to just name a few. Absolutely.
882
00:43:06.630 --> 00:43:07.110
Absolutely.
883
00:43:08.550 --> 00:43:12.900
Yeah, no, agreed. Obviously, I think that's pretty indisputable. So, yeah,
884
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:15.780
legendary background. You can't take that away from him already,
885
00:43:15.860 --> 00:43:18.559
so he's just continuing that and hopefully builds it a
886
00:43:18.579 --> 00:43:21.760
little further in AEW. His character work, he's established his
887
00:43:21.780 --> 00:43:25.260
character work in AEW, which is actually impressive because he
888
00:43:25.380 --> 00:43:28.320
didn't necessarily have to do that as much in New Japan,
889
00:43:28.340 --> 00:43:29.559
and he's kind of proving his chops now.
890
00:43:30.860 --> 00:43:35.030
Yeah, for our audio listeners, Rudog did ask in the chat,
891
00:43:35.070 --> 00:43:40.650
what is Skydance? And Derek Mitchell... does provide a visual
892
00:43:40.809 --> 00:43:44.690
in our YouTube chat. And I'll kind of reiterate that
893
00:43:44.829 --> 00:43:47.070
in our, for our audio listeners, Skydance is a media
894
00:43:47.090 --> 00:43:52.539
production company, which owns Paramount and owns the world funded
895
00:43:52.579 --> 00:43:55.579
by David Ellison. Yeah, pretty much. I mean, Rude Dog,
896
00:43:55.619 --> 00:43:59.500
it's pretty much, you know, Paramount and, you know, Warner
897
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:00.659
Brothers Discovery combined.
898
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:02.239
So, yeah.
899
00:44:02.610 --> 00:44:06.869
Yeah, there was obviously some moves made with the personnel. Obviously,
900
00:44:06.949 --> 00:44:09.070
like as you do mergers, there's going to be shuffling
901
00:44:09.150 --> 00:44:12.429
of media. It's hard to kind of say how ultimately
902
00:44:12.469 --> 00:44:17.329
that's going to affect wrestling. We don't know. I would
903
00:44:17.389 --> 00:44:20.909
say for anybody already kind of having fears or dreads,
904
00:44:21.550 --> 00:44:24.739
Tony Khan has a very good relationship with David Ellison.
905
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:28.639
So I would say based on everything that AEW is doing,
906
00:44:29.179 --> 00:44:34.260
pay-per-view wise, monthly, And numbers that we don't see from Max,
907
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:37.739
I think they're fine. I think they're absolutely fine.
908
00:44:38.260 --> 00:44:40.550
Yeah, I don't foresee anything changing in the immediate future,
909
00:44:41.389 --> 00:44:41.690
at least.
910
00:44:44.289 --> 00:44:47.590
Let's see. Center Deviation back in our YouTube chat here.
911
00:44:47.969 --> 00:44:50.750
AW has been poor, getting over the Rainmaker as a
912
00:44:50.769 --> 00:44:56.670
serious finisher. non-reaction tonight from the hot crowd as evidence yeah.
913
00:44:56.820 --> 00:44:58.530
I'll just be maybe this is this is a hot
914
00:44:58.570 --> 00:45:01.619
take on my part but oh it's the most isn't
915
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:05.519
the most aesthetically pleasing uh finisher and i get that
916
00:45:05.780 --> 00:45:07.519
they got the lore over in new japan to to
917
00:45:07.539 --> 00:45:09.840
a great extent and that's that's impressive but i think
918
00:45:09.900 --> 00:45:12.179
it's a different audience it's just a reality it's a
919
00:45:12.179 --> 00:45:14.699
different audience and i don't think it's as easy to
920
00:45:14.739 --> 00:45:17.320
get over in north america just based on history wrestling
921
00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:20.780
now they could have done a But they didn't because
922
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:22.429
that's not where Okada was when he first came into
923
00:45:22.449 --> 00:45:24.110
the company. So I think that had an effect on
924
00:45:24.130 --> 00:45:28.650
the overall expectation of what the Rainmaker is and how
925
00:45:28.690 --> 00:45:30.750
people view it as a finishing move.
926
00:45:31.489 --> 00:45:35.349
Yeah, and I feel like obviously they framed it better
927
00:45:36.230 --> 00:45:39.230
in New Japan, honestly, as well, JB. Especially, like, you
928
00:45:39.269 --> 00:45:40.440
don't really understand the.
929
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:44.480
I guess the lore and impact of the move, unless
930
00:45:44.539 --> 00:45:46.980
Okada's got wrist control, he's not really doing that as
931
00:45:47.059 --> 00:45:50.050
a heel. Now, potentially he could do that more as
932
00:45:50.110 --> 00:45:52.130
a baby face and they can kind of do the pose,
933
00:45:52.469 --> 00:45:56.010
you know, the whole shebang of Okada that I think
934
00:45:56.030 --> 00:45:58.969
there's potential there to kind of reframe, you know, how
935
00:45:58.989 --> 00:46:02.980
they film him production wise. I would, I would like
936
00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:05.179
to see it over, you know, cause when I see
937
00:46:05.219 --> 00:46:09.460
a clothesline now, I mean, obviously, you know, the, The
938
00:46:09.579 --> 00:46:14.210
running lariat from Pac was great. Gunther, he's obviously got
939
00:46:14.250 --> 00:46:17.909
a devastating clothesline. Let's see. I mean, obviously, the clothesline
940
00:46:18.429 --> 00:46:20.900
from Hell, from JBL, God bless it. I felt like
941
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:23.860
he was going to take his... rotator cuff off every
942
00:46:23.900 --> 00:46:25.940
time he landed that thing well he.
943
00:46:25.860 --> 00:46:28.239
Probably actually really landed legitimately landed some of the time
944
00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:31.699
too yeah and it just like uh if anybody sees
945
00:46:31.739 --> 00:46:33.920
them i would every now and again jb i don't
946
00:46:33.940 --> 00:46:36.139
know i'll see it on the timeline the montage of
947
00:46:36.539 --> 00:46:37.940
uh the clothesline.
948
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:39.840
From hells from jbl and i always think of uh
949
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:45.039
god he he literally killed like five foot raven mysterio
950
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:47.360
like every time and it was like oh my god
951
00:46:47.409 --> 00:46:49.369
this like poor guy.
952
00:46:48.989 --> 00:46:53.699
Obviously one that's that's relevant to to aw the uh
953
00:46:53.739 --> 00:46:56.619
the buckshot lariat by hangman pages oh yeah cool looking
954
00:46:56.860 --> 00:46:58.260
uh finisher as well so.
955
00:46:58.219 --> 00:47:00.420
And fantastic i was trying to think who else has
956
00:47:00.460 --> 00:47:03.610
got a mean mean clothesline way back in the day
957
00:47:03.619 --> 00:47:06.230
stan hansen i think was dan hansen yeah yeah that's
958
00:47:06.250 --> 00:47:09.250
a good one um billy gunn surprisingly he he would
959
00:47:09.269 --> 00:47:11.789
take a hell he he would take a rock like
960
00:47:12.469 --> 00:47:14.789
stunner bump for the clothesline from hell he'd always turn
961
00:47:14.809 --> 00:47:18.210
like inside out um every time and uh it just
962
00:47:18.780 --> 00:47:20.900
It was always kind of amazing because, you know, Billy Gunn,
963
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.960
even though back then he– not a small man to
964
00:47:24.579 --> 00:47:27.539
do that bump. So kudos to him. I'm trying to
965
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:30.880
think here. Who else had a mean, mean clothesline that
966
00:47:30.900 --> 00:47:35.400
just– oh, I think of– do you remember Vader and Shamrock?
967
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:39.300
Vader just like– Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was pretty
968
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:42.179
early on in my fandom. So, I mean, I do remember,
969
00:47:42.420 --> 00:47:45.619
but yes. Yeah, Vader just absolutely kills Shamrock because he
970
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:49.510
just like– actually like wouldn't hold up and he just
971
00:47:49.530 --> 00:47:52.929
like boom it just oh man vader was great.
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Derek Mitchell, actually, great question in the chat, JB. Derek
993
00:49:01.099 --> 00:49:04.489
Mitchell asked for our audio listeners, do you ever see
994
00:49:04.510 --> 00:49:07.409
Stephen Borden turning heel on Darby? Which brings out his
995
00:49:07.429 --> 00:49:10.690
dad to have a similar Dominic element saying his dad...
996
00:49:10.469 --> 00:49:15.949
was never around when he grew up. Excellent question. um
997
00:49:17.340 --> 00:49:20.400
you know i thought they were planting some seeds potentially
998
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:25.139
because obviously like you know next month uh steven borden
999
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:27.599
was actually supposed to team with his brother garrett at
1000
00:49:27.739 --> 00:49:30.599
a uh you know an independent show here in austin
1001
00:49:30.619 --> 00:49:32.980
that i was going to attend uh you know we'll
1002
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:36.639
see how that plays out i'm not sure what happens
1003
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:39.650
with that i i wonder as a potential make good
1004
00:49:39.750 --> 00:49:44.769
if uh aw will maybe kind of lend um derby
1005
00:49:45.769 --> 00:49:47.510
yeah that's what i was thinking because you know it
1006
00:49:47.590 --> 00:49:51.409
is for dustin's school specifically so it just i can
1007
00:49:51.429 --> 00:49:54.119
see tony khan doing that and um because it was
1008
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:57.980
a big reaction because garrett and steven had never wrestled
1009
00:49:58.019 --> 00:50:01.800
before because i was the show uh garrett wrestled his
1010
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.539
second match And, you know, his brother made a save
1011
00:50:05.579 --> 00:50:08.260
and I was like, oh, OK, I'll be going to
1012
00:50:08.300 --> 00:50:13.639
this anniversary show. And, you know, I bought the tickets
1013
00:50:13.659 --> 00:50:16.599
and unfortunately everything happened in all out. So we'll see
1014
00:50:16.659 --> 00:50:20.300
if he's cleared by then. You never know with, you know,
1015
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:22.639
questions and everything like that. You want to be super
1016
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:26.860
duper careful with that. So, yeah, I imagine if he
1017
00:50:26.909 --> 00:50:29.519
can't pop up uh i wonder if darby kind of
1018
00:50:29.539 --> 00:50:32.300
just makes a cameo that seems.
1019
00:50:32.059 --> 00:50:34.829
Like something logical and something that wouldn't be too difficult
1020
00:50:34.849 --> 00:50:37.010
to do and something very tony cotton like so i
1021
00:50:37.030 --> 00:50:38.309
could definitely see that happening.
1022
00:50:38.510 --> 00:50:41.769
Yeah uh you know seeing darby at a indie show
1023
00:50:41.909 --> 00:50:44.570
that's a not not a bad way to spend a
1024
00:50:44.590 --> 00:50:47.429
sunday for me jb that i'm completely completely down with
1025
00:50:47.449 --> 00:50:48.210
that and sure it's.
1026
00:50:48.130 --> 00:50:51.510
More affordable than uh seeing him in a real show
1027
00:50:51.550 --> 00:50:52.309
as well so.
1028
00:50:52.219 --> 00:50:55.739
Yeah have you seen garrett borden uh Yeah, have you
1029
00:50:55.860 --> 00:50:58.510
seen any clips of him wrestle? He's only wrestled, obviously,
1030
00:50:58.550 --> 00:50:58.929
in the two matches.
1031
00:50:58.949 --> 00:51:00.869
You know what, I may have seen some clips, I guess,
1032
00:51:01.150 --> 00:51:03.050
but I've never seen, like, a full match at this point.
1033
00:51:03.070 --> 00:51:04.449
I know there's probably not many of them anyway.
1034
00:51:04.530 --> 00:51:05.230
Yes, two.
1035
00:51:05.849 --> 00:51:09.530
And obviously nothing live, but, you know, I'm intrigued to see,
1036
00:51:09.929 --> 00:51:13.090
relative to Steven, how far he's progressed. I'm sure Steven's
1037
00:51:13.110 --> 00:51:15.949
probably a little further progressed, obviously, because they're giving Steven
1038
00:51:15.969 --> 00:51:18.619
the shot first. But, you know, they both seem like
1039
00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:21.699
they're pretty good athletes, so I'm sure, you know, they
1040
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:24.420
can make it work in some capacity, so... Yeah.
1041
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:27.300
And it was interesting because I, I, um, you know,
1042
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:30.739
it happened during all in, uh, JB, it was like,
1043
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:34.179
I almost wanted to just, I almost wanted to yell
1044
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:37.340
because everybody kept on talking about Steven, Steven, Steven. And
1045
00:51:37.389 --> 00:51:40.710
I wanted to say, staying has another son. His name
1046
00:51:40.789 --> 00:51:44.130
is Garrett. He's actually wrestling in a couple of weeks. Um,
1047
00:51:44.449 --> 00:51:47.590
but I thought they were actually doing that on purpose, uh,
1048
00:51:47.630 --> 00:51:49.210
just because I don't know if they didn't want to
1049
00:51:49.250 --> 00:51:52.679
necessarily reference him that much because, you know, I, I,
1050
00:51:53.219 --> 00:51:55.420
from what i understand he's still got a you know
1051
00:51:55.460 --> 00:52:00.119
shoot full-time job so i don't know like what his
1052
00:52:00.139 --> 00:52:03.409
schedule is and how much willing he's able to commit
1053
00:52:03.489 --> 00:52:06.909
to it um but obviously you know steven's obviously really
1054
00:52:06.929 --> 00:52:09.010
into it because he's sleeping on darby's lawn so you
1055
00:52:09.030 --> 00:52:13.420
know he's super into it and um get you know
1056
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:16.969
garrett garrett's an interesting build um jb he's kind of
1057
00:52:17.090 --> 00:52:19.860
built like uh you know a refrigerator he's got like
1058
00:52:19.940 --> 00:52:20.980
uh i've seen.
1059
00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:22.980
Because garrett was at steve's retire i mean i've seen
1060
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:26.519
garrett steve's retirement um so yeah i mean definitely yeah
1061
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:28.900
like i said different build to a certain extent but.
1062
00:52:28.820 --> 00:52:32.739
Yeah farm strong i would say mr garrett uh not
1063
00:52:32.780 --> 00:52:35.230
about uh you know his first match went a little
1064
00:52:35.250 --> 00:52:37.429
bit longer his second match was only a squash but
1065
00:52:37.449 --> 00:52:42.739
uh he uh he can sell not like for somebody
1066
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:46.179
like his size and strength that would be easy just
1067
00:52:46.219 --> 00:52:48.460
to no sell everything but uh you know not not
1068
00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:51.789
awkward at all trying to sell so he um dustin
1069
00:52:51.889 --> 00:52:54.090
and anybody else he's trained with and work with has
1070
00:52:54.190 --> 00:52:57.110
obviously been super helpful in his kind of like early
1071
00:52:57.130 --> 00:53:00.670
stages of development i mean obviously uh his dad is
1072
00:53:00.710 --> 00:53:02.909
staying so i'm sure he's gonna get like all the
1073
00:53:02.949 --> 00:53:05.300
help he can get but uh not like i i
1074
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:08.920
felt like you know he's can sell um and uh
1075
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:11.440
you know i feel like he every time i see
1076
00:53:11.460 --> 00:53:14.179
him he's getting in better shape um you know shocker
1077
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:17.690
but uh i i don't know we'll see uh i'm
1078
00:53:17.730 --> 00:53:19.789
crossing my fingers that i'll be able to see that
1079
00:53:19.809 --> 00:53:23.190
show live and give uh you know some reporting live
1080
00:53:23.210 --> 00:53:24.969
for the torch because it's been kind of cool because
1081
00:53:25.170 --> 00:53:28.210
you know to see like the son of sting wrestle
1082
00:53:28.230 --> 00:53:30.789
a couple matches and then potentially wrestle with his brother
1083
00:53:30.849 --> 00:53:33.389
it's you know generations of sting that's you know it's
1084
00:53:33.409 --> 00:53:36.360
a cool thing that's why i always uh i always
1085
00:53:36.570 --> 00:53:38.750
try to say jb should always uh support going to
1086
00:53:38.789 --> 00:53:40.449
indie shows like yeah you know you.
1087
00:53:40.409 --> 00:53:43.670
Always see cool stuff yeah absolutely um yeah sons of
1088
00:53:43.710 --> 00:53:46.809
thing could be a tag team name actually but uh
1089
00:53:46.829 --> 00:53:49.269
yeah yeah you know you know being an attack team
1090
00:53:49.289 --> 00:53:51.480
they don't necessarily have to be like elite individual wrestlers
1091
00:53:51.539 --> 00:53:53.639
either because they can cover for a lot of deficiencies
1092
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:55.420
kind of working as a team so that might be
1093
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.699
the best fit for them moving forward also yeah i agree.
1094
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:02.030
Yeah i don't know if garrett's like a uh that's
1095
00:54:02.050 --> 00:54:06.550
going to strike fear into a, uh, catchy, uh, chant. Steve,
1096
00:54:06.670 --> 00:54:09.750
Steve is obviously catching on because, you know, uh, you know,
1097
00:54:09.889 --> 00:54:13.409
everybody's chance, Steve, Steve, Steven, you know, uh, if you
1098
00:54:13.449 --> 00:54:16.789
didn't know JB, he's a, he's a heartthrob. Apparently this, uh,
1099
00:54:16.849 --> 00:54:20.269
Steven Borden, he's, uh, all, all the rage amongst the, uh,
1100
00:54:20.750 --> 00:54:24.469
the tick tockers and everybody young. Uh, he's, uh, he's,
1101
00:54:24.869 --> 00:54:27.969
he's even caught my, uh, you know, different algorithms of
1102
00:54:28.010 --> 00:54:30.510
my friends. And I've been asked, who's this guy? I
1103
00:54:30.829 --> 00:54:32.940
was like, well, you know, He's like his next big
1104
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:33.800
thing is Stephen Ford.
1105
00:54:33.940 --> 00:54:36.500
So I could see it. I could see it for sure.
1106
00:54:36.739 --> 00:54:39.699
So yeah. Redog back in our YouTube chat here says,
1107
00:54:39.739 --> 00:54:42.599
I believe Darby Allen has been the most over wrestler
1108
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:44.880
that he's ever been and pushed in a W meaning
1109
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:49.429
he does everything he needs to do. And he does over,
1110
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:54.750
he overdoes it. Yeah, no, I would agree. I mean,
1111
00:54:54.769 --> 00:54:57.269
Darby said he's, you know, he's got, he's going to
1112
00:54:57.289 --> 00:54:59.349
do this until the wheels come off to, you know,
1113
00:54:59.429 --> 00:55:01.130
the use of CM punkism.
1114
00:55:01.289 --> 00:55:03.889
So, Yeah, no, I mean, he's, he's done it all.
1115
00:55:03.909 --> 00:55:05.340
You know, he's been pushed deep at the world title
1116
00:55:05.380 --> 00:55:07.780
level and, you know, kind of, that was the story
1117
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:09.400
of his run is that, that he was going to
1118
00:55:09.420 --> 00:55:10.519
do it till he burned out and he burned out
1119
00:55:10.539 --> 00:55:13.099
very quickly because, you know, he wasn't afraid to take
1120
00:55:13.219 --> 00:55:18.360
on all coming challenges and multiple weekly shows. So the,
1121
00:55:18.369 --> 00:55:19.849
you know, that was the story that was told there.
1122
00:55:20.489 --> 00:55:22.619
And then he's been done everything in between. He's, done
1123
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:25.559
a retirement match with sting. He's been tag team champion.
1124
00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:28.940
He's been TNT champion. Uh, I'm sure he's been other
1125
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:31.360
champions as well, but champion chose other championships as well
1126
00:55:31.380 --> 00:55:33.719
that I don't recall. He's been in pretty much every
1127
00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:36.079
gimmick match you could probably think of. So, um, he's
1128
00:55:36.099 --> 00:55:38.400
pretty much done it all in AW, uh, at this point.
1129
00:55:38.340 --> 00:55:39.340
At this point. So yeah.
1130
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:44.010
Coffin match King. That's his, uh, um, I mean, putting
1131
00:55:44.409 --> 00:55:47.190
Kevin Knight on the map, I would say that's, that's
1132
00:55:47.269 --> 00:55:51.820
still an unbelievable feat. I mean, he had a, excellent
1133
00:55:51.969 --> 00:55:55.610
excellent world champion title run i mean the uh tv
1134
00:55:55.630 --> 00:55:58.489
match he had with champa was out of this world
1135
00:55:58.750 --> 00:56:02.050
like i was i mean i don't i don't want
1136
00:56:02.070 --> 00:56:04.739
to speak for champa but i don't i feel like
1137
00:56:04.780 --> 00:56:06.539
that might have been one of the best matches he's
1138
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:10.599
had in his entire career like and you know he's
1139
00:56:10.619 --> 00:56:11.980
just still going.
1140
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:14.019
Yeah i'd say probably one of his matches with gargano
1141
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:15.460
probably maybe exceeded that.
1142
00:56:15.300 --> 00:56:17.219
Just in just Based on the story, too.
1143
00:56:17.380 --> 00:56:18.039
Right.
1144
00:56:18.099 --> 00:56:19.760
But, you know, that's, you know, like I said, there's
1145
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:21.849
a million matches out there, but that's definitely probably up
1146
00:56:21.869 --> 00:56:22.889
there for Champa.
1147
00:56:22.909 --> 00:56:24.710
Probably he would say that as well.
1148
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:30.380
Derek Mitchell back in our YouTube chat. Stan Hanschen's lyric
1149
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:33.500
became famous because he broke up. Bruno Martino's neck in
1150
00:56:33.539 --> 00:56:35.440
Madison Square Garden and added his lore.
1151
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:38.460
I mean, we talked about JBL like probably laying in,
1152
00:56:39.420 --> 00:56:41.659
you know, actually laying in the real clotheslines and actually
1153
00:56:41.679 --> 00:56:44.320
making contact and hurting people. I mean, back in the day,
1154
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:44.960
I'm sure that was.
1155
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:45.860
Much more common.
1156
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:49.989
Like it's legitimate people, you know, going rogue and actually
1157
00:56:50.030 --> 00:56:52.230
kind of getting into more physical brawls.
1158
00:56:51.969 --> 00:56:54.690
And, you know, laying it in real time.
1159
00:56:55.210 --> 00:56:55.409
Yes.
1160
00:56:56.570 --> 00:56:58.289
Real time in wrestler's court, maybe. Yeah.
1161
00:56:59.809 --> 00:57:03.829
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it was a different time for sure. Yes,
1162
00:57:03.849 --> 00:57:04.250
different time.
1163
00:57:05.250 --> 00:57:08.690
Yeah, well, next topic, I guess, JB. We had the
1164
00:57:08.710 --> 00:57:11.210
return of Samoa Joe. Yeah.
1165
00:57:12.610 --> 00:57:15.670
Yeah, absolutely. Definitely glad to see Joe back. Always glad
1166
00:57:15.690 --> 00:57:16.250
to see Joe.
1167
00:57:16.469 --> 00:57:20.530
I didn't catch Foley collision last Saturday, but I did
1168
00:57:20.550 --> 00:57:22.630
see the promo, which I thought was very well done.
1169
00:57:23.829 --> 00:57:25.849
And then he kind of kept it simple tonight as well.
1170
00:57:25.869 --> 00:57:29.159
But obviously, you know, very, very much over with the crowd. which,
1171
00:57:29.340 --> 00:57:33.289
you know, I don't think that's necessarily a surprise. I
1172
00:57:33.349 --> 00:57:35.670
am kind of actually surprised, though, that Samoa Joe beat
1173
00:57:35.710 --> 00:57:39.530
Perry tonight to qualify for the Clockwork Carnage match. You know,
1174
00:57:39.570 --> 00:57:41.469
with all the recent promos from Perry about wanting and
1175
00:57:41.489 --> 00:57:43.800
needing to beat former champions, I thought that, you know,
1176
00:57:43.820 --> 00:57:44.920
now was the time that he was kind of in
1177
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:49.900
line for a larger push than he's received prior. You know, granted, obviously,
1178
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:51.929
Samoa Joe is pretty much over in France like he
1179
00:57:52.030 --> 00:57:52.809
is in most places.
1180
00:57:53.690 --> 00:57:56.119
And, you know, I'm definitely okay with the result.
1181
00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:58.320
I think it did surprise me a little bit because
1182
00:57:58.360 --> 00:58:00.199
I thought they would put Perry in this match and
1183
00:58:00.219 --> 00:58:01.920
then maybe that would be part of the start of
1184
00:58:01.940 --> 00:58:04.929
his elevation. I did also in this match just really
1185
00:58:04.949 --> 00:58:07.969
enjoy the contrasting styles and then the underdog story that
1186
00:58:08.010 --> 00:58:12.170
was told. Obviously, Perry being the underdog but getting his
1187
00:58:12.190 --> 00:58:14.969
fight back spots in. I thought that worked to tell
1188
00:58:14.989 --> 00:58:17.449
the story tonight. The crowd was real hot for this match.
1189
00:58:18.309 --> 00:58:21.969
I really enjoyed it. Obviously, I really enjoyed Joe. I
1190
00:58:21.989 --> 00:58:24.489
think he made Perry look pretty good in defeat. And
1191
00:58:24.690 --> 00:58:27.409
I'm interested to see what his part is in the
1192
00:58:27.429 --> 00:58:29.949
Clockwork Carnage match at WrestleDream.
1193
00:58:30.889 --> 00:58:34.980
Yeah, Joe actually in the Clockwork Carnage match itself, JB,
1194
00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:38.019
made total sense because I feel like he's that kind
1195
00:58:38.059 --> 00:58:45.409
of like potential guy who could throw everything. You fear
1196
00:58:45.469 --> 00:58:48.170
that Joe could actually win because he's just in that
1197
00:58:48.210 --> 00:58:51.349
match and he could just like, steal a choke out
1198
00:58:51.389 --> 00:58:54.820
from somebody, steal a pin. You want to obviously have
1199
00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:58.539
him in that second phase of the match. So I
1200
00:58:58.579 --> 00:59:01.960
completely make sense. And then Jack Perry losing, honestly, too, JB,
1201
00:59:01.980 --> 00:59:05.170
that makes sense to me because I think from the
1202
00:59:05.190 --> 00:59:08.150
story they're telling, he's going to lose to every world champion.
1203
00:59:09.110 --> 00:59:10.269
And I don't know if it's going to be the
1204
00:59:10.389 --> 00:59:13.940
last champion he faces whether that be jericho or um
1205
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:19.480
uh hangman he's gonna he's he might be the last
1206
00:59:19.539 --> 00:59:21.980
person he faces or he might lose to everybody but
1207
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:25.260
i at some point you know he he reassigned with
1208
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:27.469
the company he's done this kind of like I'm going
1209
00:59:27.489 --> 00:59:30.610
to be world champion that one day. And I'm just like, Jack,
1210
00:59:30.650 --> 00:59:33.170
I don't, I mean, I don't know about that, but
1211
00:59:33.230 --> 00:59:35.349
I mean, there's so many people, no offense. I'd have
1212
00:59:35.409 --> 00:59:37.070
over you at Kevin Knight, Kyle Fletcher, Jay.
1213
00:59:38.849 --> 00:59:39.090
White.
1214
00:59:39.110 --> 00:59:43.969
If he ever got together, who else am I missing here? Okada.
1215
00:59:44.210 --> 00:59:48.860
If he ever turns baby face to Kesha, I mean
1216
00:59:49.659 --> 00:59:54.820
like swerve again, you know, just to name a, just
1217
00:59:54.860 --> 00:59:55.340
to name.
1218
00:59:55.199 --> 01:00:00.309
A few, yeah yeah mjf that's another one hangman probably
1219
01:00:00.349 --> 01:00:03.230
eventually um again too i mean granted technically he's not
1220
01:00:03.269 --> 01:00:04.650
allowed to but we know that's probably not going to
1221
01:00:04.690 --> 01:00:08.250
last forever right um yeah i mean definitely i agree
1222
01:00:08.269 --> 01:00:09.610
i just think it was a weird way to frame
1223
01:00:09.670 --> 01:00:11.309
perry you know after we were signed with the company
1224
01:00:11.349 --> 01:00:13.190
then because it makes him then kind of look a
1225
01:00:13.190 --> 01:00:15.139
little bit like like a dork if he just loses
1226
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:17.179
to everyone and then i don't know how much you
1227
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:19.760
could actually get out of him after that maybe you
1228
01:00:19.820 --> 01:00:21.659
put him back in the tag team with luchasaurus but
1229
01:00:21.699 --> 01:00:23.590
i mean that's somewhat, you know.
1230
01:00:23.610 --> 01:00:24.429
Kind of run its course.
1231
01:00:25.030 --> 01:00:26.670
So it's just, you know, I'm not saying they had
1232
01:00:26.690 --> 01:00:27.849
to have him in the match or anything, but just
1233
01:00:27.889 --> 01:00:29.329
a weird way to frame him. If he's going to
1234
01:00:29.369 --> 01:00:31.250
lose to everyone and look like a complete dweeb in
1235
01:00:31.269 --> 01:00:33.530
the process. It's like, I feel like there's a little
1236
01:00:33.550 --> 01:00:34.809
bit more you can get out of them than that,
1237
01:00:34.909 --> 01:00:36.969
but you know, who's to say, maybe there's a story
1238
01:00:36.989 --> 01:00:37.769
to be told in that.
1239
01:00:38.710 --> 01:00:39.369
But I guess we'll see.
1240
01:00:39.909 --> 01:00:40.090
Yeah.
1241
01:00:40.150 --> 01:00:40.750
Definitely.
1242
01:00:41.030 --> 01:00:43.139
Also, I'm definitely okay with having Joe in the clockwork match.
1243
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:45.440
You know, obviously matching him up against Perry, you didn't
1244
01:00:45.460 --> 01:00:47.079
necessarily have to do that if you also wanted to
1245
01:00:47.099 --> 01:00:47.780
have Perry in the match.
1246
01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:49.780
Right. But obviously that wasn't the prerogative.
1247
01:00:50.989 --> 01:00:55.230
No, I kind of feel like, remember in the C2,
1248
01:00:55.650 --> 01:00:58.550
they were telling the story on Garcia losing every match
1249
01:00:58.610 --> 01:01:01.329
and finally won the last match and then they didn't
1250
01:01:01.369 --> 01:01:05.309
really follow up with it much because obviously I think
1251
01:01:05.349 --> 01:01:09.170
there was still that period of contract stuff. I really
1252
01:01:09.210 --> 01:01:11.250
enjoyed the heck out of that, JB, and they just
1253
01:01:11.269 --> 01:01:14.389
didn't do anything with it. I think they're telling this
1254
01:01:14.829 --> 01:01:17.949
losing streak story where he's going to go back to
1255
01:01:18.010 --> 01:01:21.780
that pure, lovable... babyface and I think him losing all
1256
01:01:21.820 --> 01:01:24.420
the time as crazy as it sounds is eventually going
1257
01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:26.300
to endear him to the fans and get him over
1258
01:01:26.699 --> 01:01:29.019
obviously you know he's got you know the theme that's
1259
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:32.050
always going to be there you know obviously him going
1260
01:01:32.070 --> 01:01:35.570
back to wrestling with Luchasaurus once he's like if he's
1261
01:01:35.590 --> 01:01:37.829
healthy that's always an option but I think there's an
1262
01:01:37.889 --> 01:01:41.429
opportunity to make him this like the lovable loser that
1263
01:01:41.469 --> 01:01:44.849
like he's like man this guy tries so hard like
1264
01:01:44.889 --> 01:01:47.980
I think he's like where fans it'll be a very
1265
01:01:48.019 --> 01:01:50.889
slow burn and I think as the, he kind of
1266
01:01:50.909 --> 01:01:54.210
pills away from this like bounty hunter character. I I've
1267
01:01:54.250 --> 01:01:56.429
actually joined it. I enjoyed his promos a lot more
1268
01:01:56.449 --> 01:01:58.650
where he's kind of doing like the paint stuff with Joe.
1269
01:01:58.710 --> 01:02:00.969
I thought that was actually very creative, kind of like
1270
01:02:01.010 --> 01:02:04.849
Darby Allen esque in a way. So I don't know,
1271
01:02:05.110 --> 01:02:08.730
like ultimately I think this is probably the best version
1272
01:02:09.070 --> 01:02:11.050
of Jack Barry. You kind of want him to be
1273
01:02:11.070 --> 01:02:13.670
that underneath baby face. Cause I think about the match
1274
01:02:13.690 --> 01:02:19.130
he had with Omega and the pandemic, which was fantastic. And,
1275
01:02:19.309 --> 01:02:22.869
you know, he's had these moments with like MJF, um,
1276
01:02:22.969 --> 01:02:25.389
that I can recall. I mean, obviously like he had
1277
01:02:25.429 --> 01:02:29.260
the world title match, but, uh, you know, Danielson, uh, which,
1278
01:02:29.539 --> 01:02:31.440
you know, people kind of rolled their eyes on, you know,
1279
01:02:31.460 --> 01:02:34.579
it was still good. And I still think about the, uh, bump.
1280
01:02:35.460 --> 01:02:38.300
Perry took taking the bicycle knee. It's probably like one
1281
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:40.800
of my favorite bumps in quite some time, but I
1282
01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:44.320
think this is the right pathway. It's just like, you
1283
01:02:44.369 --> 01:02:47.210
have to continue to tell this story and just, and
1284
01:02:47.449 --> 01:02:50.840
present him. And, and, He also has, like I said,
1285
01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:53.480
if he just, I don't want to say he just
1286
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:55.960
go back to like, you know, Luke Perry's kid and
1287
01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:57.800
just how he kind of came into the company, but
1288
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:00.659
just like show that maturity as like a, you know,
1289
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:02.980
a man he's been with the company seven years and
1290
01:03:03.300 --> 01:03:06.480
just kind of go back to the basics a little
1291
01:03:06.500 --> 01:03:09.010
bit where, you know, be kind of like a, you know,
1292
01:03:09.619 --> 01:03:12.289
a heartthrob. He's like one of my wife's favorites, if
1293
01:03:12.590 --> 01:03:13.630
that makes a difference to me. Yeah.
1294
01:03:14.849 --> 01:03:16.809
Yeah, no, I mean, if there's a story in mind, absolutely.
1295
01:03:16.829 --> 01:03:17.860
Tell the story.
1296
01:03:17.889 --> 01:03:19.599
I just hope it's well thought out and, you know,
1297
01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:23.539
it's intended to get Perry over it. It's effective because
1298
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:26.099
they've had some misses in the past with Perry. Granted,
1299
01:03:26.199 --> 01:03:27.619
you know, some of it's been on him.
1300
01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:29.340
Some of it's been on the booking. So, you know,
1301
01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:30.320
there's blame to go around.
1302
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:33.989
But, yeah, tell the story that you think is best.
1303
01:03:34.010 --> 01:03:35.929
You know, there's definitely more than one way to skin
1304
01:03:35.969 --> 01:03:36.369
a cat here.
1305
01:03:37.590 --> 01:03:37.730
Yep.
1306
01:03:41.030 --> 01:03:44.039
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01:03:50.380 --> 01:03:53.039
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01:04:13.739 --> 01:04:16.300
Derek Mitchell back in our YouTube chat is, Ooh, he says,
1315
01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:18.980
Steven Borden is Bronny James with Garrett Borden might be
1316
01:04:19.019 --> 01:04:19.559
Bryce James.
1317
01:04:19.900 --> 01:04:20.639
Oh man.
1318
01:04:21.730 --> 01:04:23.949
It's the worst thing in the world, I guess.
1319
01:04:24.610 --> 01:04:28.590
So, um, I mean, there's been, uh, you know, offsprings
1320
01:04:28.670 --> 01:04:31.409
of famous wrestlers have definitely not worked out. So.
1321
01:04:32.329 --> 01:04:33.829
Yeah. I don't think the expectations for the, for the
1322
01:04:33.860 --> 01:04:36.539
boards are necessarily super high either. I mean, if they're
1323
01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:39.780
just a kind of a functioning kind of cool tag team, that's,
1324
01:04:39.820 --> 01:04:43.130
you know, connected to sting and darby that's that's fine
1325
01:04:43.150 --> 01:04:45.289
that there can be a place for that so.
1326
01:04:45.570 --> 01:04:47.409
Yeah and i think i even mentioned it on one
1327
01:04:47.429 --> 01:04:50.179
of the last shows i did with wade jb like
1328
01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:54.400
i don't mind i don't really mind aw just trying
1329
01:04:54.500 --> 01:04:57.880
it like obviously like it's you know you have to
1330
01:04:57.900 --> 01:05:00.900
have the discussion is is what their commitment to spend
1331
01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:03.949
like all this television time on it but like you
1332
01:05:03.989 --> 01:05:06.630
know he's 34 years old like you want it the
1333
01:05:06.829 --> 01:05:10.360
aw doesn't really have a traditional like you know uh
1334
01:05:10.449 --> 01:05:14.289
development system so why you know try it like you
1335
01:05:14.329 --> 01:05:17.090
never know like sometimes you gotta throw like throw folks
1336
01:05:17.130 --> 01:05:19.869
out there and see what happens and what can like
1337
01:05:20.010 --> 01:05:22.429
kind of relate um you know wade and i always
1338
01:05:22.489 --> 01:05:26.500
talk about you know last couple years jb how it's
1339
01:05:26.539 --> 01:05:30.800
been so important for the development of like the men's
1340
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:33.699
division and you know you know obviously want to see
1341
01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:35.380
a little bit more from the women's side but like
1342
01:05:35.780 --> 01:05:40.579
having these guys like kevin knight kyle fletcher osprey you know,
1343
01:05:40.599 --> 01:05:45.159
be kind of like the younger faces of like your company, because,
1344
01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:48.119
you know, God bless it, you know, 40 to 45
1345
01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:50.860
is the new 25. And you want to have these
1346
01:05:50.909 --> 01:05:53.429
faces of your company, especially as you're moving into a
1347
01:05:53.429 --> 01:05:56.510
new TV deal. I think that's so important to have, like,
1348
01:05:56.829 --> 01:05:59.769
not that Omega, Jericho and Page and others in the
1349
01:05:59.809 --> 01:06:02.429
box are aren't important to have on like, kind of
1350
01:06:02.449 --> 01:06:06.230
like your forefront posters for like, the upcoming like, you know,
1351
01:06:06.989 --> 01:06:11.670
big showcases uh skydance does and everything like that jb
1352
01:06:11.710 --> 01:06:16.349
but like if you're going to continue to grow your
1353
01:06:16.389 --> 01:06:19.590
product you gotta have these younger guys coming up and
1354
01:06:20.170 --> 01:06:23.809
that's why you know i'm such a believer in kevin
1355
01:06:23.829 --> 01:06:27.260
knight and uh you know fletcher's right there giving australia
1356
01:06:27.280 --> 01:06:30.119
the scrap now it's he makes total sense and then
1357
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:34.409
again nick wayne i That's another guy. Good shout.
1358
01:06:34.429 --> 01:06:36.190
He's got a ways to go, but he's only 20.
1359
01:06:36.190 --> 01:06:36.989
Oh, for sure.
1360
01:06:37.010 --> 01:06:37.869
He's got plenty of time.
1361
01:06:38.150 --> 01:06:41.199
He's a baby. And then you still have MJF who
1362
01:06:41.460 --> 01:06:44.739
is still in his prime and can still be that
1363
01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:48.820
great foil to whoever else they want to build up next.
1364
01:06:49.099 --> 01:06:52.360
I think it's so important that you continue to develop
1365
01:06:52.409 --> 01:06:56.960
these guys just because you don't want to– rely on
1366
01:06:57.099 --> 01:07:00.639
these guys that are 45 50 almost damn near and
1367
01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:02.699
they're just kind of just gradually breaking down and they
1368
01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:06.349
you know it's um obviously the lore and uh folks
1369
01:07:06.449 --> 01:07:10.510
being not everybody is gonna have like the uh the
1370
01:07:10.570 --> 01:07:13.289
lore and pop of like a samoa joe and cope
1371
01:07:13.369 --> 01:07:14.710
that stuff doesn't grow on trees.
1372
01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:15.969
Yeah, absolutely.
1373
01:07:16.070 --> 01:07:18.849
And that's, you know, after the results of a legendary
1374
01:07:18.909 --> 01:07:20.909
career kind of coming to its culmination at this point
1375
01:07:20.949 --> 01:07:23.010
as well. So obviously that doesn't happen overnight. That happens
1376
01:07:23.050 --> 01:07:28.050
after a multi-decade career typically. So, yeah, and that, you know,
1377
01:07:28.070 --> 01:07:29.469
that pays off in its own right.
1378
01:07:29.510 --> 01:07:29.989
But yeah, absolutely.
1379
01:07:30.010 --> 01:07:33.179
It's important to build up the young, you know, make
1380
01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:35.119
investments in the young people. Like they're not all going
1381
01:07:35.139 --> 01:07:37.119
to be hits. I don't think Hook was, and I
1382
01:07:37.139 --> 01:07:38.639
don't think I'll ever get to that point, for example,
1383
01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:40.539
even though he was a bit of a flash in
1384
01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:42.710
the pan. You can blame that on AEW, but I
1385
01:07:42.710 --> 01:07:44.309
also think he's just kind of missing a lot of
1386
01:07:44.349 --> 01:07:49.369
intangibles himself. So, you know, that's just one example of
1387
01:07:49.409 --> 01:07:51.150
a miss. But they also didn't go full bore on
1388
01:07:51.170 --> 01:07:51.550
him either.
1389
01:07:53.309 --> 01:08:00.010
The entrance, the different kind of theme song that he
1390
01:08:00.050 --> 01:08:01.690
had wasn't a fan. I don't think that.
1391
01:08:01.710 --> 01:08:03.170
Yeah, it didn't fit his character.
1392
01:08:03.230 --> 01:08:04.090
It was kind of weird.
1393
01:08:04.170 --> 01:08:07.130
I like the hook signal. I think there was something there.
1394
01:08:09.170 --> 01:08:13.139
Hook and Samoa Joe, I... I love that match.
1395
01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:14.619
I think they should have probably just done more than
1396
01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:16.760
that rather than the ops. I think they probably just
1397
01:08:16.779 --> 01:08:18.619
stuck to that tag team. Honestly, that would have done
1398
01:08:18.659 --> 01:08:21.539
wonders in getting, I mean, Hook and Samoito tag team.
1399
01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:22.819
I think they should have just stuck with that for
1400
01:08:22.859 --> 01:08:24.819
a while. Yeah, but Hook and Joe match, that did
1401
01:08:24.859 --> 01:08:26.979
pretty good ratings if I recall correctly as well.
1402
01:08:27.420 --> 01:08:28.640
So, yeah.
1403
01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:33.699
Let's see. Back to our YouTube chats. RooDog says, Steve
1404
01:08:33.720 --> 01:08:35.779
is hot. Deal with it. Responding to Derek Mitchell.
1405
01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:38.529
I guess I didn't know that RooDog's friends called him Steve.
1406
01:08:38.810 --> 01:08:39.569
Steve.
1407
01:08:39.590 --> 01:08:40.609
They must be buddies.
1408
01:08:40.869 --> 01:08:45.449
Steve. Derek Mitchell says, I thought the Derby World title run,
1409
01:08:45.489 --> 01:08:47.449
in my opinion, was one of the highlights of AEW
1410
01:08:47.489 --> 01:08:49.680
this year. Yeah, I mean, as.
1411
01:08:51.939 --> 01:08:54.939
People were kind of like, Oh my God, uh, concerned
1412
01:08:54.979 --> 01:08:58.430
about this, the not hoppity but like, you know, kind
1413
01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:02.229
of like the short title reign Darby had, um, I
1414
01:09:02.270 --> 01:09:05.310
think it was, it went as great as it could
1415
01:09:05.329 --> 01:09:07.850
have been, especially if you think about like how well
1416
01:09:08.029 --> 01:09:12.939
the hair match stipulation went over, like, uh, you know, I,
1417
01:09:13.890 --> 01:09:16.729
I was honestly surprised on how well that was built
1418
01:09:16.810 --> 01:09:21.020
and how, how people were so into that. And, yeah
1419
01:09:21.060 --> 01:09:23.359
but you go through all the derby match i'm gonna
1420
01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:25.090
i'm trying to think of all the title matches i
1421
01:09:25.109 --> 01:09:27.850
mean obviously like one that immediately sticks out with me
1422
01:09:27.869 --> 01:09:31.890
is uh you know rustin power uh packet the uh
1423
01:09:31.930 --> 01:09:34.350
golf collision golf collision.
1424
01:09:33.970 --> 01:09:36.590
Jb they mentioned that last week actually you know derby
1425
01:09:36.609 --> 01:09:38.560
told that story kind of um in his uh in
1426
01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:40.239
his interview so that was cool and they showed it
1427
01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:42.880
in the uh the video the remembrance committee package at
1428
01:09:42.920 --> 01:09:44.840
the end as well which is just cool Right.
1429
01:09:44.899 --> 01:09:45.060
Yeah.
1430
01:09:45.100 --> 01:09:46.779
So that there was obviously, we talked about Champa.
1431
01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:50.340
Yeah. I'm trying to think there's, there's several along the way.
1432
01:09:52.060 --> 01:09:53.579
Can't even think of them all right now, but there
1433
01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:55.239
was obviously quite a, quite a few. So.
1434
01:09:56.319 --> 01:09:58.470
Yeah. I was trying to, did he have a, no,
1435
01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:01.689
he recently wrestled Mark Davis. Oh God. I'm trying to
1436
01:10:01.750 --> 01:10:02.229
even think.
1437
01:10:02.689 --> 01:10:05.710
People from the callous family or something, but yeah.
1438
01:10:06.149 --> 01:10:08.550
Yeah. I was like, no, he didn't wrestle Roosh. Cause
1439
01:10:08.569 --> 01:10:12.069
he wrestled Roosh before. He was world champion. I'm trying
1440
01:10:12.090 --> 01:10:13.909
to even think. Sammy. Oh, Sammy Guevara.
1441
01:10:13.930 --> 01:10:16.760
Yeah, that was kind of random.
1442
01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:21.319
Yeah, over delivery. Over delivery. I didn't mind that at all.
1443
01:10:21.439 --> 01:10:26.500
I'm trying to think of how there have been other people. Oh, God.
1444
01:10:27.020 --> 01:10:28.710
Did he wrestle? I can't even remember if he wrestled
1445
01:10:28.750 --> 01:10:29.850
Andrade for the title.
1446
01:10:31.510 --> 01:10:33.449
Don't think he did, but it's possible.
1447
01:10:33.630 --> 01:10:35.510
Yeah, there's just, you know, because a lot of people
1448
01:10:35.529 --> 01:10:38.010
are like on both Dynamite and Collision back to back.
1449
01:10:38.029 --> 01:10:39.149
So it's hard to just keep track of them all
1450
01:10:39.170 --> 01:10:40.189
in that short of a period of time.
1451
01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:45.460
Right. Let's see. Derek Mitchell back in our YouTube chat
1452
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:49.250
responding to Rude Dog. Steven is a good looking guy
1453
01:10:49.310 --> 01:10:51.390
in a different era. He would have been approached by
1454
01:10:51.409 --> 01:10:55.189
a female wrestler. But since a Me Too movement, not
1455
01:10:55.250 --> 01:10:58.680
many male and female be attracted to each other.
1456
01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:01.699
Yeah, I just think in general he's probably just attractive.
1457
01:11:01.739 --> 01:11:04.050
I mean, I don't think he's hurting for attention just
1458
01:11:04.250 --> 01:11:07.970
in the general sense of people he meets.
1459
01:11:07.850 --> 01:11:11.449
In day-to-day life. I would say the fact that AEW
1460
01:11:11.529 --> 01:11:16.489
is potentially getting a wrestler that's going viral, I would
1461
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:19.960
say that's probably not necessarily a bad thing for them.
1462
01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:23.399
Yeah. And it's not the first time it's happened, but
1463
01:11:23.859 --> 01:11:27.079
it's never a bad thing. Like Wade says, you don't
1464
01:11:27.100 --> 01:11:30.140
want to base your entire promotion on the adrenaline rush
1465
01:11:30.220 --> 01:11:34.170
or the– he calls it the ephemeral rush of social
1466
01:11:34.189 --> 01:11:37.369
media likes. But if it happens, by chance it happens too.
1467
01:11:37.449 --> 01:11:38.149
It's not a bad thing.
1468
01:11:38.569 --> 01:11:44.010
Yeah. They obviously chose to lean into it. Rudog mentioned
1469
01:11:44.069 --> 01:11:48.590
bring back Marco Stunt in the YouTube chat. You know,
1470
01:11:48.689 --> 01:11:51.260
I mean I like them as a group, so– If
1471
01:11:51.300 --> 01:11:53.159
he ever wants to have a one-off.
1472
01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:54.920
He has a problem with Marco Stunt.
1473
01:11:54.939 --> 01:11:56.420
I mean, he's a bit of a, I guess you'd
1474
01:11:56.460 --> 01:11:58.119
say of a side act, definitely a lower card.
1475
01:11:57.939 --> 01:11:59.560
Guy, but I mean, there's a, there was a place
1476
01:11:59.579 --> 01:12:01.140
for him, you know, they could definitely find a place
1477
01:12:01.159 --> 01:12:02.819
for him if they decided to do so.
1478
01:12:03.340 --> 01:12:07.279
Hey, the, when he came back for the cameo at
1479
01:12:07.319 --> 01:12:10.689
collision against Jack barriers, when he was TNT champion, that was,
1480
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:13.579
that's good stuff. I like that in a lot. I
1481
01:12:14.220 --> 01:12:18.149
always remember Marco Stunt getting tossed like a football and,
1482
01:12:18.659 --> 01:12:23.039
by lance archer in the pandemic that's great yeah.
1483
01:12:22.979 --> 01:12:24.890
No obviously that's i mean that's what he's going to
1484
01:12:24.909 --> 01:12:27.010
be used for is taking those you know you know
1485
01:12:27.029 --> 01:12:29.409
we talk about barbie derby bumps but he's even smaller
1486
01:12:29.430 --> 01:12:31.210
than dark piece so thus he will go farther than
1487
01:12:31.229 --> 01:12:33.270
derby when yeah when tossed outside the rain.
1488
01:12:33.850 --> 01:12:36.270
Yes uh derek mitchell back in our chat let me
1489
01:12:36.310 --> 01:12:38.229
be clear it's not meant to as a bad thing
1490
01:12:38.289 --> 01:12:41.369
it's more difference between steven and garrett i've been watching
1491
01:12:41.390 --> 01:12:44.479
wrestling for almost 40 years and uh there are more
1492
01:12:44.539 --> 01:12:45.420
misses than hits.
1493
01:12:45.500 --> 01:12:45.680
Yeah.
1494
01:12:45.699 --> 01:12:49.979
Yeah, absolutely. Uh, Derek and like, obviously like, that's why
1495
01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:53.579
I like to go to these shows. Like I, just
1496
01:12:53.619 --> 01:12:55.930
because like, I feel like you can kind of see
1497
01:12:55.970 --> 01:12:59.170
different things. Like when you're watching live that maybe you
1498
01:12:59.210 --> 01:13:01.810
could just not see on a YouTube. I like to
1499
01:13:01.869 --> 01:13:08.569
watch like people's like footwork facials, like Like, sometimes, you know,
1500
01:13:08.670 --> 01:13:10.909
if you're watching, like, on a stream on somebody's platform,
1501
01:13:10.949 --> 01:13:13.250
it can be laggy a little bit. Like, I don't
1502
01:13:13.270 --> 01:13:17.770
want to say, like, you know, it's kind of form of, like,
1503
01:13:18.689 --> 01:13:21.130
you're almost kind of scouting in a sense. You're actually
1504
01:13:21.149 --> 01:13:24.689
seeing these guys live. And also, it's kind of, you know,
1505
01:13:25.189 --> 01:13:26.909
for me, it's always been fun to kind of seeing
1506
01:13:26.930 --> 01:13:29.949
these guys and gals, like, from the ground up. JB,
1507
01:13:30.020 --> 01:13:33.500
I think it's a... share this with folks, like go
1508
01:13:33.539 --> 01:13:36.140
to indie shows, because I think it's so cool that I've,
1509
01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:39.060
I've gotten to see people like my world high on
1510
01:13:39.539 --> 01:13:43.930
Kevin Knight at these indie shows in Austin, Texas. And
1511
01:13:43.970 --> 01:13:47.270
now they're like wrestling professionally, like weekly on AEW. I
1512
01:13:47.289 --> 01:13:50.890
think that's so cool, um, to do, but yeah, I just, I,
1513
01:13:50.970 --> 01:13:54.680
I like kind of going to shows and, Really trying
1514
01:13:54.699 --> 01:13:59.199
to analyze and give feedback to you guys that may
1515
01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:02.939
not have time. Because like you said, Derek, there's only
1516
01:14:02.939 --> 01:14:05.140
24 hours a day. And if I could provide some
1517
01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:10.560
type of observation that KH Mats isn't going to offer
1518
01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:14.380
by someone's improvement on how they sell, how a punch looks,
1519
01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:16.600
I'm always for that. Yeah.
1520
01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:17.939
And, you know, like Wade says this all the time,
1521
01:14:17.970 --> 01:14:19.390
you know, I think one of the most enjoyable parts
1522
01:14:19.649 --> 01:14:22.350
of wrestling is being part of a wrestler's journey. Whether
1523
01:14:22.390 --> 01:14:24.189
you start in the independent scenes or you start with
1524
01:14:24.210 --> 01:14:26.090
the wrestler when they start on the national scenes where
1525
01:14:26.109 --> 01:14:28.680
you're paying more attention. I mean, the journey is what
1526
01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:30.970
really kind of hooks a lot of people in. And,
1527
01:14:31.539 --> 01:14:32.880
you know, you get a joy in kind of being
1528
01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:36.010
a part of that journey, that process. I mean, that's,
1529
01:14:36.050 --> 01:14:38.220
you know, in wrestling, but in life in general. no,
1530
01:14:38.229 --> 01:14:39.760
you're not compared to go sing like an indie band.
1531
01:14:39.810 --> 01:14:40.680
Not all of them are going to make it to
1532
01:14:40.720 --> 01:14:43.039
the mainstream main stage, but sometimes you get one or
1533
01:14:43.060 --> 01:14:44.420
two that do. And you can say you were there
1534
01:14:44.439 --> 01:14:46.079
and like the small, you know, bingo hall where they
1535
01:14:46.100 --> 01:14:47.359
were playing or what have you.
1536
01:14:47.619 --> 01:14:48.340
So, yeah.
1537
01:14:48.939 --> 01:14:53.859
Mostly outside for, for my, uh, uh, appearances. Oh, Derek
1538
01:14:53.899 --> 01:14:56.039
Mitchell and our YouTube chat for our audio list is
1539
01:14:56.079 --> 01:14:56.619
helping us out.
1540
01:14:56.659 --> 01:14:57.020
JB.
1541
01:14:58.079 --> 01:15:02.579
I'm so like MJF to cash to Sammy Guevara, Mike Bailey, uh,
1542
01:15:03.350 --> 01:15:05.569
uh pack r.i.p you know rest in power kevin knight
1543
01:15:05.600 --> 01:15:07.220
brody king brody king was a.
1544
01:15:07.180 --> 01:15:09.140
Good one i almost like kevin knight too i was
1545
01:15:09.180 --> 01:15:11.579
pretty sure it was was kevin knight but yeah.
1546
01:15:11.539 --> 01:15:14.180
Uh to catch that oh my god that was oh
1547
01:15:14.939 --> 01:15:17.800
there was a trying to think of the crazy spot
1548
01:15:17.819 --> 01:15:21.880
it was like an avalanche brain buster so it was
1549
01:15:21.960 --> 01:15:25.039
it was something just nutty um that that was a
1550
01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:28.600
good call but yeah no gavara at the time that
1551
01:15:28.619 --> 01:15:30.579
was that was an over delivery that was a fun
1552
01:15:31.140 --> 01:15:35.399
plunder match on collision and obviously like because you don't
1553
01:15:35.500 --> 01:15:37.739
necessarily get a lot of world title matches on collision
1554
01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:40.539
anyway jb so i was like very yeah.
1555
01:15:40.239 --> 01:15:42.380
I think pack was on collision as well if i were.
1556
01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:45.140
Yeah pack was on collision as well uh golf man
1557
01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:48.560
uh did you watch that show in full like i think.
1558
01:15:48.420 --> 01:15:50.220
That's i watched i watched that whole episode.
1559
01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:53.590
Aesthetically that i think it's going to be my favorite
1560
01:15:53.609 --> 01:15:54.130
show of the year.
1561
01:15:54.529 --> 01:15:54.850
Yeah.
1562
01:15:54.869 --> 01:15:55.510
So cool.
1563
01:15:55.630 --> 01:15:57.710
I love new venues. I also really liked the beach
1564
01:15:57.750 --> 01:15:58.449
break they did this year.
1565
01:15:58.470 --> 01:16:00.510
I thought it was, Oh yeah, that was excellent as well.
1566
01:16:00.729 --> 01:16:02.890
But I like different doing different types of venues. That's awesome.
1567
01:16:03.210 --> 01:16:05.689
Oh, speaking of that, did you see they're doing a
1568
01:16:05.810 --> 01:16:07.689
Jericho cruise for collision?
1569
01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:08.800
Yeah.
1570
01:16:08.810 --> 01:16:11.979
December, one of the weekends in December. So yeah, I
1571
01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:13.039
enjoyed it when they did it the first time.
1572
01:16:13.260 --> 01:16:13.859
It was awesome.
1573
01:16:14.220 --> 01:16:14.779
It was great.
1574
01:16:15.020 --> 01:16:15.380
Yeah.
1575
01:16:15.420 --> 01:16:17.939
You had kind of like the, you know, the Britt
1576
01:16:17.979 --> 01:16:22.050
Baker kind of like, start to her hero uh heel
1577
01:16:22.090 --> 01:16:25.090
run you've got like the gif of tony shivani in
1578
01:16:25.109 --> 01:16:30.609
the wind like with his uh hawaiian shirts uh you've
1579
01:16:30.649 --> 01:16:36.189
got uh eyepatch moxley running around uh that's when people
1580
01:16:36.210 --> 01:16:38.899
started really saying seeing in judas for the first time
1581
01:16:39.029 --> 01:16:42.220
yeah that was uh from what i gather jb the
1582
01:16:42.260 --> 01:16:44.720
reason they've not gone back to it because i think
1583
01:16:44.739 --> 01:16:48.880
i think From what I think production-wise, it was such
1584
01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:54.319
a huge pain in the butt. I'm not an engineer
1585
01:16:54.359 --> 01:16:57.020
or production person, but from everybody I talked to, I
1586
01:16:57.039 --> 01:17:00.039
think that was such an undertaking. They never want to
1587
01:17:00.060 --> 01:17:00.579
do it again.
1588
01:17:00.600 --> 01:17:03.340
I imagine Collision is going to be pre-taped for that case, though.
1589
01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:05.359
So maybe they'll have a couple of days to kind
1590
01:17:05.380 --> 01:17:07.979
of work on that, too. It doesn't have to be live.
1591
01:17:08.739 --> 01:17:11.310
Well, right. And I think from what I understand, they're
1592
01:17:11.319 --> 01:17:13.119
going to film it once they dock.
1593
01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:17.199
That makes sense like they'll be essentially be they'll be
1594
01:17:17.220 --> 01:17:19.760
on the boat but they'll be you know easily lands
1595
01:17:19.779 --> 01:17:21.319
easily accessible right.
1596
01:17:21.460 --> 01:17:24.159
Yeah because like once they did the jericho cruise i
1597
01:17:24.180 --> 01:17:27.470
was like hey maybe this would actually be kind of
1598
01:17:27.479 --> 01:17:31.510
cool to go to yeah never consider it yeah for
1599
01:17:31.550 --> 01:17:33.529
sure i have you ever been i've been on a
1600
01:17:33.529 --> 01:17:34.350
cruise i've not.
1601
01:17:34.250 --> 01:17:36.289
Done i've actually never been on a cruise no i
1602
01:17:36.310 --> 01:17:38.649
mean i've been to like resorts and seen a lot
1603
01:17:38.670 --> 01:17:40.510
of cruises like come and dock and stuff like that
1604
01:17:40.569 --> 01:17:43.050
but i've never been i'm not a big like I
1605
01:17:43.069 --> 01:17:44.760
feel like I get pretty seasick. I have to put
1606
01:17:44.770 --> 01:17:46.539
like those things under my ears if I did that.
1607
01:17:46.699 --> 01:17:49.880
But yeah, I've seen a lot of cruises in person,
1608
01:17:49.899 --> 01:17:51.840
like traveling on vacations and stuff like that, but I've
1609
01:17:51.859 --> 01:17:52.739
never been on one myself.
1610
01:17:53.100 --> 01:17:53.460
So yeah.
1611
01:17:55.859 --> 01:17:57.699
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Let's see. Let's go through. the show here. Deathriders versus
1628
01:18:54.090 --> 01:19:01.939
Davison Doyle. The rare, well, I would say, rare sub-11-minute
1629
01:19:01.949 --> 01:19:06.960
match from Moxley. You know, him and Gabe... I was
1630
01:19:07.000 --> 01:19:09.270
still very weird to see Gabe Cater as a baby
1631
01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:10.850
face that I know this is going to be a
1632
01:19:11.630 --> 01:19:15.029
weird kind of thing, uh, ever. And I guess we're
1633
01:19:15.090 --> 01:19:19.170
kind of in this portion of the show, JB. Um, what,
1634
01:19:19.210 --> 01:19:20.250
what do you, what do you do with the death
1635
01:19:20.289 --> 01:19:24.319
riders at this point? I really don't know. Um, obviously
1636
01:19:24.380 --> 01:19:28.119
like there was, it seemed like on the surface they
1637
01:19:28.140 --> 01:19:32.989
were doing them versus, um, ospreys group for uh blood
1638
01:19:33.010 --> 01:19:37.489
guts but uh obviously can't really i you can't really.
1639
01:19:37.329 --> 01:19:40.289
Do that now um yeah that's i mean that's what
1640
01:19:40.310 --> 01:19:41.409
i was thinking of but that's what i actually put
1641
01:19:41.449 --> 01:19:42.909
in my notes because i was just thinking like where
1642
01:19:42.939 --> 01:19:45.800
you kind of go from here but yeah so like
1643
01:19:45.819 --> 01:19:47.260
you just mentioned i thought they were gonna go with
1644
01:19:47.300 --> 01:19:49.159
with the ospreys united empire and the death riders at
1645
01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:52.199
blood and guts but now i wonder obviously i think
1646
01:19:52.220 --> 01:19:54.560
they're just gonna go full blow baby face full blown
1647
01:19:54.579 --> 01:19:56.350
baby face with the death riders now where it's it's
1648
01:19:56.430 --> 01:20:00.319
not even ambiguous it's pretty clear I think Tony Khan
1649
01:20:00.420 --> 01:20:03.479
is going to pivot to pure babyface Death Riders versus
1650
01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:06.090
the Don Callis family, kind of after what we saw
1651
01:20:06.109 --> 01:20:07.409
tonight at Blood & Guts, and that's going to be
1652
01:20:07.449 --> 01:20:08.310
the Blood & Guts matchup.
1653
01:20:09.050 --> 01:20:14.890
Yeah. I heard a– I'm a listener of the What
1654
01:20:14.909 --> 01:20:20.210
Culture podcast, and they had suggested rather than kind of
1655
01:20:20.229 --> 01:20:24.909
doing like the goobers in the Don Callis family group,
1656
01:20:26.300 --> 01:20:29.819
You do like a team of all the heavies, which
1657
01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:32.300
would be a good kind of like balance.
1658
01:20:32.819 --> 01:20:36.119
They kind of did it on last week's Memorial episode.
1659
01:20:36.140 --> 01:20:37.560
It was all the heavy hitters in the main event.
1660
01:20:37.699 --> 01:20:38.039
Right.
1661
01:20:38.420 --> 01:20:42.020
So you could have the Deathriders still have the disadvantage
1662
01:20:42.060 --> 01:20:45.409
of like being smaller and still win because you list
1663
01:20:45.430 --> 01:20:48.409
all the heavies. Okay, so you go Cage, you go Archer.
1664
01:20:49.670 --> 01:20:53.569
uh you go davis and doyle wardlow like yeah there's
1665
01:20:53.590 --> 01:20:57.050
your five versus the death riders i mean particularly if
1666
01:20:57.170 --> 01:21:00.779
they aren't going to you know uh from what i
1667
01:21:01.079 --> 01:21:03.020
have heard jb i think they're going to only do
1668
01:21:03.300 --> 01:21:05.359
one i don't think they're doing two this year which
1669
01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:10.409
i don't need the traditional like I'm all for equality,
1670
01:21:10.470 --> 01:21:11.010
but I don't.
1671
01:21:11.069 --> 01:21:12.869
I'm also okay if they do it separate times. It
1672
01:21:12.909 --> 01:21:14.569
doesn't have to be done all in the same episode.
1673
01:21:14.869 --> 01:21:17.140
Yeah. I understand. It's like one of their biggest draws
1674
01:21:17.180 --> 01:21:20.680
of the year. And with the Nielsen's writing, how up
1675
01:21:20.739 --> 01:21:24.039
is down, left is right. Blue is red. Green is purple.
1676
01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:27.100
Sometimes like, I understand that's like their biggest draw of
1677
01:21:27.159 --> 01:21:30.180
the year traditionally, but like, you don't have to just
1678
01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:32.699
do it because it's hell, hell in the cell season.
1679
01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:34.279
I mean, if you wanted to kind of split it
1680
01:21:34.350 --> 01:21:38.250
up a little bit, that's fine. I mean, If, uh,
1681
01:21:38.310 --> 01:21:41.609
you know, booking permits, I would love the women to
1682
01:21:41.869 --> 01:21:43.930
main event blood and guts on a pay-per-view. I think
1683
01:21:43.949 --> 01:21:47.720
that'd be great, but I, I just, I don't, if
1684
01:21:47.739 --> 01:21:49.140
you're going to do it, I think you just do
1685
01:21:49.180 --> 01:21:51.520
the death riders for some cows family. And then I
1686
01:21:51.539 --> 01:21:55.159
think it would be, uh, you know, perfectly fine just
1687
01:21:55.199 --> 01:21:57.319
to do it if you're going to just do it. And, um,
1688
01:21:57.600 --> 01:21:59.600
you know, I know a lot of people give Don
1689
01:21:59.619 --> 01:22:03.760
Callis family like grief, but I mean, I'm, I think
1690
01:22:03.800 --> 01:22:06.539
this is why you have, like, I mean, obviously you
1691
01:22:06.579 --> 01:22:09.180
don't have factions of 24 people at a time, but
1692
01:22:09.239 --> 01:22:11.619
I think in this state, based on kind of like
1693
01:22:11.649 --> 01:22:13.850
where the company's at and how they've been able to
1694
01:22:13.869 --> 01:22:16.470
kind of fill this role of just, you know, there's
1695
01:22:16.510 --> 01:22:20.550
not really like a good direction for some groups right now. Like,
1696
01:22:20.989 --> 01:22:23.369
can we just fight like the, the traditional heels where
1697
01:22:23.390 --> 01:22:26.779
you don't have to force the fake heat? Yeah. And
1698
01:22:26.800 --> 01:22:29.609
you don't like, you don't even, and Kyle and our,
1699
01:22:30.300 --> 01:22:32.460
Kyle Fletcher and Kevin Knight are doing their own thing.
1700
01:22:32.579 --> 01:22:34.779
Okada has been doing his own thing. So they can
1701
01:22:34.979 --> 01:22:37.539
be completely separate from that, which is complete. I don't
1702
01:22:37.579 --> 01:22:40.520
want Okada and blood and guts again, honestly. So I'm
1703
01:22:40.560 --> 01:22:43.510
okay with that as well. I, that's probably the best
1704
01:22:43.600 --> 01:22:47.229
combination of that. And you could just have Moxley just,
1705
01:22:47.569 --> 01:22:50.449
you know, uh, lead this group. I would love if
1706
01:22:50.489 --> 01:22:54.010
there was maybe a chance to flip a big for,
1707
01:22:54.029 --> 01:22:57.270
I don't know what woman could have Don Fallis, Don
1708
01:22:57.289 --> 01:23:01.300
Callis family add with, that could go against Marina. Give
1709
01:23:01.340 --> 01:23:01.760
me a word.
1710
01:23:02.479 --> 01:23:04.659
So this is not a woman that's currently on the roster,
1711
01:23:04.699 --> 01:23:07.939
but it's all, but could be confirmed that Mara Sade,
1712
01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:13.010
who's been in NXT, she's actually dated, currently dating Kevin.
1713
01:23:13.020 --> 01:23:14.430
And they don't have to make that part of the story,
1714
01:23:14.510 --> 01:23:17.170
but they could add her into the family with, you know,
1715
01:23:17.210 --> 01:23:17.890
obviously because her.
1716
01:23:17.829 --> 01:23:20.510
Night would have this certain amount of people chemistry. So
1717
01:23:20.550 --> 01:23:21.310
I could see that working.
1718
01:23:22.250 --> 01:23:24.829
Could I just say Megan Bain because she's a boss?
1719
01:23:25.069 --> 01:23:26.890
Yeah, absolutely.
1720
01:23:26.909 --> 01:23:29.970
We're sticking with boss concept, boss woman and boss man.
1721
01:23:30.430 --> 01:23:32.250
And I think, you know, the Biden dominion has kind
1722
01:23:32.270 --> 01:23:34.029
of run its course now. So both those acts are
1723
01:23:34.060 --> 01:23:35.380
going to go singles. I think they can both be
1724
01:23:35.420 --> 01:23:37.619
successful singles acts. So I think that could work as well.
1725
01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:38.279
Yeah.
1726
01:23:39.079 --> 01:23:39.579
I like that.
1727
01:23:39.600 --> 01:23:42.659
And yeah, I mean, it's tough. You know, you heard
1728
01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:47.460
the reaction Moxley got tonight. He, he's going to just
1729
01:23:47.479 --> 01:23:50.930
get those reactions everywhere, man. And, you know, I, I, I've,
1730
01:23:51.310 --> 01:23:54.310
yearn for this i thought as of last year when
1731
01:23:54.329 --> 01:23:57.640
you won the continental title jb we were finally getting
1732
01:23:57.680 --> 01:24:02.739
the moxley baby face just because i just everybody wants
1733
01:24:02.859 --> 01:24:05.220
it and obviously with the circumstance it just makes the
1734
01:24:05.260 --> 01:24:07.279
most sense and he's got he's got to just lean
1735
01:24:07.300 --> 01:24:10.140
into it i know he's been doing this we we
1736
01:24:10.159 --> 01:24:12.600
have the death i personally and wayne have kind of
1737
01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:16.180
poked fun at the death rider stuff how convoluted it's
1738
01:24:16.220 --> 01:24:21.989
been sometimes moxley's just like you know it's era he
1739
01:24:22.029 --> 01:24:23.470
wants to work all the time which is great but
1740
01:24:23.529 --> 01:24:25.789
it's just like you know a lot of people have
1741
01:24:25.829 --> 01:24:27.609
had kind of like death rider fatigue for a very
1742
01:24:27.630 --> 01:24:30.470
long time but i just think a lot of people
1743
01:24:30.510 --> 01:24:34.789
are going to give this group and like everything has
1744
01:24:34.850 --> 01:24:38.189
been going on grace pretty much like for a while
1745
01:24:38.220 --> 01:24:40.939
and it just it just makes sense because everybody loves
1746
01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:42.939
john mox i love john moxley he's one of my
1747
01:24:42.979 --> 01:24:44.920
favorites like i just i want to cheer for the
1748
01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:47.260
guy there's so much Absolutely.
1749
01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:48.819
You know, I was ready for the Death Riders to
1750
01:24:48.859 --> 01:24:51.720
kind of break up and disband after all in 2025, actually,
1751
01:24:51.819 --> 01:24:55.819
after Hangman beat Mox. But I'm ultimately glad they actually
1752
01:24:55.859 --> 01:24:57.890
ended up staying together in the sense that, and I
1753
01:24:57.909 --> 01:25:00.069
know some people actually disagree about this, but I thought
1754
01:25:00.109 --> 01:25:03.430
it really added to the Osprey story going into Wembley
1755
01:25:03.449 --> 01:25:05.130
and that culminating this year, which was a big moment
1756
01:25:05.149 --> 01:25:08.729
for Osprey. Arguably, AW's biggest show of all times. Well,
1757
01:25:08.770 --> 01:25:10.850
it was, I think, in terms of pay-per-view buys, not
1758
01:25:10.939 --> 01:25:14.479
necessarily in attendance, but, you know, that's up for debate.
1759
01:25:14.500 --> 01:25:16.359
But it's certainly one of their biggest shows of all time.
1760
01:25:17.199 --> 01:25:18.979
So I thought it really added to that story.
1761
01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:21.100
I'm glad they stayed together and now they're going to
1762
01:25:21.119 --> 01:25:22.979
actually get a proper, proper baby face run.
1763
01:25:23.060 --> 01:25:24.939
So I think there's, you know.
1764
01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:27.739
Sometimes like I talk about happy accidents, these are things
1765
01:25:27.859 --> 01:25:29.859
that maybe shouldn't have happened, but that happened. And then
1766
01:25:29.939 --> 01:25:32.149
things happen along the way that, that, you know, ultimately
1767
01:25:32.229 --> 01:25:34.090
create what it, what, what, you know, what.
1768
01:25:34.029 --> 01:25:34.710
They're going to be.
1769
01:25:35.149 --> 01:25:36.250
And I think there's going to be some value in
1770
01:25:36.270 --> 01:25:38.210
the death riders getting a pure baby face run as
1771
01:25:38.250 --> 01:25:38.770
we move forward.
1772
01:25:39.109 --> 01:25:43.270
So, yeah, I agree. And maybe there's this potential of
1773
01:25:43.369 --> 01:25:47.250
maybe the Don Callis family, uh, take out a member
1774
01:25:47.489 --> 01:25:54.100
of the death riders and then maybe we get a, uh, debuting, uh, uh,
1775
01:25:54.199 --> 01:25:58.060
former Seamus or, or, uh, Dragunov is the other.
1776
01:25:58.340 --> 01:25:59.640
I actually think you're right. It's probably gonna be more
1777
01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:03.119
likely Seamus just because he's connected obviously with Claudio, um,
1778
01:26:03.149 --> 01:26:04.430
from the WWE days as the bar.
1779
01:26:04.750 --> 01:26:07.010
And I actually think Dragunov fits better in the United empire.
1780
01:26:07.289 --> 01:26:07.949
So I think same.
1781
01:26:08.090 --> 01:26:12.829
Yeah, absolutely. I think that would be, uh, that, that, that's, uh,
1782
01:26:13.770 --> 01:26:16.869
I had Dragunov kind of earmarked for Darby as well.
1783
01:26:17.409 --> 01:26:19.430
If you were going to just strap up a guy
1784
01:26:19.449 --> 01:26:23.409
day one, him and Darby would be incredible.
1785
01:26:23.430 --> 01:26:25.770
Yeah, and Dragunov doesn't necessarily have to be in a
1786
01:26:25.789 --> 01:26:27.600
stable either. He could just start just by himself. Him
1787
01:26:27.609 --> 01:26:30.060
versus Darby could definitely work also.
1788
01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:32.439
I kind of just want to see what he looks like.
1789
01:26:32.579 --> 01:26:38.100
I mean, JB, I've seen the guy. He did so
1790
01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:39.359
much with Trick Williams.
1791
01:26:39.380 --> 01:26:40.220
I was at.
1792
01:26:41.750 --> 01:26:45.010
The match he had at great American bash with trick
1793
01:26:45.050 --> 01:26:48.100
Williams and like, God, the guy is so good. And
1794
01:26:48.149 --> 01:26:51.960
they kind of just let him. And, you know, he,
1795
01:26:52.079 --> 01:26:55.760
he kind of kept smack down a float when they
1796
01:26:55.779 --> 01:26:58.260
were kind of just drifting in that three hour muck.
1797
01:26:58.500 --> 01:27:01.899
So like, I want to see what this guy has
1798
01:27:01.930 --> 01:27:04.789
because you don't really see him talk that much. I
1799
01:27:04.829 --> 01:27:09.750
wonder if the stigma with Ricochet, what was the biggest thing?
1800
01:27:10.569 --> 01:27:12.949
People were like, oh, what a goober. He can't talk.
1801
01:27:13.010 --> 01:27:16.210
He doesn't know how to cut a promo. My God,
1802
01:27:16.250 --> 01:27:22.920
this guy has been such a good talker. I think
1803
01:27:22.939 --> 01:27:27.020
he's a very good promo. We just didn't hear him
1804
01:27:27.300 --> 01:27:31.250
talk at all. So I wonder if dragon offices introduced
1805
01:27:31.569 --> 01:27:35.409
to this new ecosystem. I don't, I want to see like, obviously,
1806
01:27:35.470 --> 01:27:36.890
you know, if he's going to be an ass kicker,
1807
01:27:37.109 --> 01:27:40.220
that's great. Like we already know that, but like, I,
1808
01:27:40.689 --> 01:27:43.979
not everybody needs to be the hard, tough, like everybody
1809
01:27:44.020 --> 01:27:46.640
can add, like automatically be that right. Especially if you're
1810
01:27:46.659 --> 01:27:48.119
a new guy coming into the company, you've got to
1811
01:27:48.140 --> 01:27:50.869
be like, like, you know, people are going to protect you,
1812
01:27:50.890 --> 01:27:52.279
you want to be over, blah, blah, blah. But, like,
1813
01:27:53.100 --> 01:27:56.840
I want to see depth to what this Ilya Dragunov
1814
01:27:56.899 --> 01:27:59.720
character could be like. Yeah.
1815
01:28:00.119 --> 01:28:03.710
No, I mean, Dragunov, obviously, against opposite, you know, Walter
1816
01:28:03.770 --> 01:28:06.210
Gunter is one of my favorite matches in recent years,
1817
01:28:06.250 --> 01:28:06.529
for sure.
1818
01:28:06.550 --> 01:28:07.329
Yes, same.
1819
01:28:07.350 --> 01:28:07.489
Yeah.
1820
01:28:08.319 --> 01:28:13.760
And that story was told throughout NXT, NXT UK, NXT,
1821
01:28:13.819 --> 01:28:15.520
and to a certain extent, I think even the WWE
1822
01:28:15.539 --> 01:28:16.119
main roster.
1823
01:28:16.149 --> 01:28:17.159
But I was kind of out of it.
1824
01:28:17.199 --> 01:28:19.390
I was out of watching regularly.
1825
01:28:19.090 --> 01:28:21.710
By that point. But yeah, I definitely enjoy his style.
1826
01:28:21.770 --> 01:28:24.109
I think it's actually a good contrast to a typical
1827
01:28:24.390 --> 01:28:27.109
AEW style in the sense that he can move well,
1828
01:28:27.149 --> 01:28:29.890
but he's not a high flyer. He's definitely a hard hitter.
1829
01:28:30.310 --> 01:28:32.909
He can be technical too. So I think that that fits.
1830
01:28:33.449 --> 01:28:34.859
But he also, yeah, he is unique.
1831
01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:37.380
He's a little weird I don't want to describe him
1832
01:28:37.399 --> 01:28:38.619
as technical because I feel like he's a little bit
1833
01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:41.579
more serious, but he's definitely unique in the way he speaks.
1834
01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:42.859
Yeah.
1835
01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:44.079
Sometimes different is good.
1836
01:28:44.420 --> 01:28:45.340
Yeah, for sure.
1837
01:28:46.039 --> 01:28:50.189
It definitely gets your attention, but it's not like goofy either.
1838
01:28:50.319 --> 01:28:52.239
There's an earnestness about it.
1839
01:28:53.270 --> 01:28:55.970
Absolutely. I just think there's so much potential. Like what
1840
01:28:55.989 --> 01:28:57.909
does him and Orange Cassidy look like?
1841
01:28:58.229 --> 01:28:58.310
Yeah.
1842
01:28:59.029 --> 01:29:04.289
Him and Samoa Joe. Him and Ospreay would obviously be electric.
1843
01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:06.119
I can see him and Samoa Joe being like him
1844
01:29:06.140 --> 01:29:07.380
versus Gunter or Walter.
1845
01:29:07.460 --> 01:29:12.960
Oh, my God. Yes, that sounds great. Him and Swerve. Like,
1846
01:29:13.100 --> 01:29:18.979
just him and Hangman? Oh, my God. Just, like, give
1847
01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:23.689
me all the match graphics for that. That sounds great. But, yeah, obviously, like,
1848
01:29:23.729 --> 01:29:27.409
the story of the match, they just– and Gabe and
1849
01:29:27.430 --> 01:29:29.130
Moxley just beat the hell out of each other. It
1850
01:29:29.170 --> 01:29:32.229
was kind of just almost kind of like a lampshade, uh,
1851
01:29:32.270 --> 01:29:34.710
you know, on a fixture. This was obviously like, uh,
1852
01:29:34.890 --> 01:29:36.970
you know, a plot point just to basically just build
1853
01:29:36.989 --> 01:29:39.840
the match between Moxley and Davis, uh, for Russell dream,
1854
01:29:40.300 --> 01:29:43.720
which is fine because like, you know, Russell dream, like,
1855
01:29:44.279 --> 01:29:47.479
I don't think that I, I don't know. Like nobody's
1856
01:29:47.500 --> 01:29:50.220
going to really give grief for Russell dream as like
1857
01:29:50.260 --> 01:29:52.170
a whole, like it, it's probably not going to do
1858
01:29:52.229 --> 01:29:54.430
necessarily well, but like, I mean, at this point, who
1859
01:29:54.470 --> 01:29:57.210
really cares just with everything going on as you know, it,
1860
01:29:57.609 --> 01:30:00.210
so I think it's fine. I think actually Mark Moxley
1861
01:30:00.569 --> 01:30:02.710
and Davis on the night that that will rock. That's
1862
01:30:02.909 --> 01:30:05.130
kind of more my jam. I think they would just
1863
01:30:05.170 --> 01:30:06.840
beat the hell out of each other for 15 minutes
1864
01:30:06.880 --> 01:30:08.479
and it'll be great. Yeah.
1865
01:30:08.520 --> 01:30:11.220
Davis has gained a lot of credibility in this room
1866
01:30:11.239 --> 01:30:13.880
with the Dallas family. So, you know, I think make
1867
01:30:13.939 --> 01:30:16.100
the matches Moxley makes sense. I don't expect him to win,
1868
01:30:17.180 --> 01:30:18.739
but I do expect it to be obviously a hard
1869
01:30:18.760 --> 01:30:21.890
hitting match. So that's, you know, it's definitely a different
1870
01:30:21.930 --> 01:30:25.649
style too, which is good for AEW type pay-per-views. And yeah,
1871
01:30:25.899 --> 01:30:28.720
obviously I like Davidson Doyle as a team. I think
1872
01:30:28.739 --> 01:30:29.600
they have potential as well.
1873
01:30:29.659 --> 01:30:32.180
I wouldn't, I wouldn't. I could see the belts being
1874
01:30:32.239 --> 01:30:33.279
on them at some point, honestly.
1875
01:30:34.039 --> 01:30:36.760
I think there, there was a push. You know, I
1876
01:30:36.779 --> 01:30:42.699
was at the dynamite Doyle, like Torres bicep. It was
1877
01:30:42.720 --> 01:30:45.310
just like, God, man, because they were building these guys up.
1878
01:30:45.390 --> 01:30:48.930
And I think them and FDR were, they were cooking something.
1879
01:30:48.949 --> 01:30:51.390
And unfortunately, you know, doro got hurt which is super
1880
01:30:51.430 --> 01:30:53.770
unfortunate um i hope they can go back to that
1881
01:30:53.949 --> 01:30:57.409
uh joseph you know um i wasn't you know as
1882
01:30:57.449 --> 01:31:00.390
the the tna guy of this uh you know recording
1883
01:31:00.710 --> 01:31:04.890
jb i wasn't like obviously i saw bits and pieces
1884
01:31:04.949 --> 01:31:07.380
of jake something i was not like uh you know
1885
01:31:07.819 --> 01:31:11.560
a a daily viewer but people spoke highly of him
1886
01:31:11.600 --> 01:31:14.119
and he's obviously like a big guy and you know
1887
01:31:15.460 --> 01:31:17.880
uh i i think there's potential you you see what
1888
01:31:17.920 --> 01:31:21.819
like a guy like Davis is, you know, being rewarded for, yeah.
1889
01:31:23.010 --> 01:31:25.590
I mean, it's not necessarily fun getting pinned a lot,
1890
01:31:25.609 --> 01:31:29.029
but if you're consistently, uh, you know, doing what you're
1891
01:31:29.050 --> 01:31:31.970
supposed to, Tony Khan is the guy who's like, Hey,
1892
01:31:31.989 --> 01:31:34.130
you've been busting your ass last couple of months. We're
1893
01:31:34.149 --> 01:31:36.880
going to feature you and make you a singles champion,
1894
01:31:36.939 --> 01:31:40.479
put you all in these, uh, you know, featured matches
1895
01:31:40.840 --> 01:31:43.819
and main events and stuff like that. So there's potential
1896
01:31:43.840 --> 01:31:45.560
for Doyle to kind of follow that pathway. Yeah.
1897
01:31:46.270 --> 01:31:48.909
Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah, I think they have good
1898
01:31:48.930 --> 01:31:50.890
chemistry together. They have a good look and they kind
1899
01:31:50.909 --> 01:31:53.970
of look similar-ish, but not exactly the same. You can
1900
01:31:53.989 --> 01:31:56.390
tell the difference. But yeah, I think they should be
1901
01:31:56.409 --> 01:31:58.479
a good tag team. You know, they tried to with
1902
01:31:59.020 --> 01:32:00.399
the Callis family, they tried to do that with the
1903
01:32:00.619 --> 01:32:05.699
Burger Hawk machines or whatever with Brian Cage and Lance
1904
01:32:05.739 --> 01:32:08.039
Archer too. So they've tried the Haas tag team in
1905
01:32:08.060 --> 01:32:09.800
the Callis family a few times now. So hopefully this
1906
01:32:09.859 --> 01:32:13.590
iteration will, you know, we'll get some good matches out
1907
01:32:13.630 --> 01:32:13.770
of it.
1908
01:32:14.289 --> 01:32:14.590
I hope so.
1909
01:32:16.159 --> 01:32:19.329
Derek Mitchell back in our YouTube chat for audio listeners. Uh,
1910
01:32:19.350 --> 01:32:22.109
I think going forward with the sentiment pack, uh, passing,
1911
01:32:22.170 --> 01:32:24.850
it's hard to see that, uh, them as heels, which
1912
01:32:24.970 --> 01:32:27.529
Derek is referencing as a death riders. Absolutely agree. Uh,
1913
01:32:28.720 --> 01:32:33.500
let's see. Derek Mitchell back in our chat. Uh, this
1914
01:32:33.579 --> 01:32:37.960
isn't the same thing pack pass, but, uh, Derek Mitchell references, uh,
1915
01:32:38.039 --> 01:32:42.590
Magnum TA had his car accident. Uh, Nikita Kloff, uh,
1916
01:32:42.649 --> 01:32:45.069
turned baby face teaming with dusty roads and honors, uh,
1917
01:32:45.510 --> 01:32:49.609
great opponent uh magnum so uh tdr will be faces
1918
01:32:49.970 --> 01:32:53.829
um yeah yep yep the death riders yeah absolutely horse
1919
01:32:53.890 --> 01:32:56.489
jay in the chat uh says megan main rules yeah
1920
01:32:56.710 --> 01:33:00.029
megan main does roll uh i think she's very very
1921
01:33:00.090 --> 01:33:04.130
good um Derek Mitchell back in our YouTube chat says,
1922
01:33:04.170 --> 01:33:06.710
Davis and Doyle, a great physical tag team. Would have
1923
01:33:06.770 --> 01:33:10.729
felt right at home during the Bill Watts Mid-South early
1924
01:33:10.979 --> 01:33:11.920
1990s All-Japan Wrestling Days.
1925
01:33:11.939 --> 01:33:14.720
Yeah, absolutely. I think they fit in any era, too. Oh, yeah.
1926
01:33:15.140 --> 01:33:18.560
Davis and Doyle. Kind of feels like a law firm, right? Yeah.
1927
01:33:18.680 --> 01:33:20.399
It does. It does.
1928
01:33:20.460 --> 01:33:21.520
It's got a ring to it, for sure.
1929
01:33:21.560 --> 01:33:22.850
Yes. D & D.
1930
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1931
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I'm Justin McClellan.
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1933
01:33:30.789 --> 01:33:32.970
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1934
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1935
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1941
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1943
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Um, let's see what else. Oh yeah. Uh, I think, Oh,
1944
01:34:06.329 --> 01:34:08.609
a couple more matches to touch base on. And we
1945
01:34:08.689 --> 01:34:10.909
kind of just, uh, talk a little bit on Russell
1946
01:34:10.930 --> 01:34:13.170
dream JB and get out of here for the night. Uh,
1947
01:34:14.210 --> 01:34:19.670
Kofi and, uh, Bandito. This was a Tony Khan match
1948
01:34:19.750 --> 01:34:22.229
graphic special. Uh, I want to, I want you to
1949
01:34:22.260 --> 01:34:23.989
think I should have, this should have been the question
1950
01:34:24.020 --> 01:34:26.340
of the show. And I feel so silly thinking about
1951
01:34:26.380 --> 01:34:29.060
it now, guys, uh, in our YouTube chat and audio listeners, uh,
1952
01:34:30.100 --> 01:34:34.579
This is one of the most random match graphics I
1953
01:34:34.600 --> 01:34:37.779
can think of in a long time, JB. One that
1954
01:34:37.800 --> 01:34:43.100
will always stick out to me. Tony Khan will drop
1955
01:34:43.119 --> 01:34:46.850
those random match graphics on a Tuesday. It's like, huh?
1956
01:34:47.609 --> 01:34:51.109
He's wrestling him? She's wrestling her? I think about CM
1957
01:34:51.149 --> 01:34:55.390
Punk versus Penta. The most random match I could ever
1958
01:34:55.430 --> 01:34:59.390
think of, JB. But Kofi versus Bandito... Not in a
1959
01:34:59.430 --> 01:35:01.890
million years would I have had that on a prediction
1960
01:35:01.930 --> 01:35:02.279
list for 2026.
1961
01:35:02.270 --> 01:35:06.449
Yeah, no, that makes sense. Like you said, just kind
1962
01:35:06.489 --> 01:35:09.760
of living in different parts of wrestling for such a
1963
01:35:09.770 --> 01:35:10.300
long time.
1964
01:35:10.569 --> 01:35:12.539
Yeah, and just, you know, I.
1965
01:35:12.520 --> 01:35:15.779
Would say somewhat similar styles to a certain extent. And,
1966
01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:17.819
you know, it was obviously a very good match tonight
1967
01:35:17.859 --> 01:35:21.939
as well. But yeah, no, it's really cool to see
1968
01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:24.020
these types of matchups. And it makes sense, obviously, with
1969
01:35:24.119 --> 01:35:27.029
the trio teams feeding against each other.
1970
01:35:27.560 --> 01:35:29.100
Very cool. For sure. Yeah.
1971
01:35:29.180 --> 01:35:30.199
No, I enjoyed the match.
1972
01:35:30.739 --> 01:35:32.579
One aspect is I'm not a big fan of the
1973
01:35:32.619 --> 01:35:35.199
ROH title being defended on AEW television, but at this
1974
01:35:35.279 --> 01:35:36.859
point there's so many titles.
1975
01:35:36.920 --> 01:35:38.300
I feel as though, you know, I can't.
1976
01:35:38.220 --> 01:35:40.800
Pick my battles because, you know, this match made sense
1977
01:35:40.819 --> 01:35:43.319
to have just because, you know, based on the feud
1978
01:35:43.359 --> 01:35:47.460
between the teams. And I was surprised that they were
1979
01:35:47.500 --> 01:35:50.180
actually continuing on with the Swerve new level and Hangman
1980
01:35:50.199 --> 01:35:52.000
Bernita feud until I saw later in the night that
1981
01:35:52.020 --> 01:35:54.590
they made a two out of three falls match for
1982
01:35:54.600 --> 01:35:57.189
the trio's title at WrestleDream. So, you know, I guess
1983
01:35:57.229 --> 01:35:59.760
that made sense. But I do expect that they will
1984
01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:02.920
pivot to swerve a new level versus the elite after
1985
01:36:02.939 --> 01:36:04.739
WrestleDream sooner rather than later as well.
1986
01:36:04.760 --> 01:36:05.560
I agree.
1987
01:36:06.079 --> 01:36:12.199
Yeah, I think the first few years, Tony Khan has
1988
01:36:12.220 --> 01:36:16.619
kind of learned, you know, things happen. People get mad
1989
01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:19.960
and don't want to work at places sometimes. Sometimes injuries happen.
1990
01:36:21.359 --> 01:36:23.729
These dream matches, you can't sit on them forever. So
1991
01:36:23.750 --> 01:36:28.140
you got to deliver them sooner than later. Um, and I,
1992
01:36:28.229 --> 01:36:31.260
I didn't mention this in my review, uh, of collision
1993
01:36:31.279 --> 01:36:34.899
this past week when I watched a Kofi, Lima, or Doherty, um, JB,
1994
01:36:34.939 --> 01:36:38.680
I think the, the thing that's gotten, I've enjoyed mostly
1995
01:36:38.720 --> 01:36:42.609
from this new level kind of debut is they are
1996
01:36:42.649 --> 01:36:45.130
not just sitting on their laurels just because I think
1997
01:36:45.149 --> 01:36:47.449
there's been so many guys kind of roll in. I mean,
1998
01:36:47.989 --> 01:36:50.130
at the pile on, I mean, you look at a
1999
01:36:50.170 --> 01:36:53.420
guy like Bruce who's just like, didn't really want to
2000
01:36:53.640 --> 01:36:56.460
are malachi black you know guys who didn't really want
2001
01:36:56.500 --> 01:37:00.949
to lose get over these guys man um they've got
2002
01:37:00.970 --> 01:37:04.329
their working boots on because uh you go back and
2003
01:37:04.829 --> 01:37:07.069
i think i believe this was the first time kofi
2004
01:37:07.090 --> 01:37:09.430
had wrestled a singles match in almost like a year
2005
01:37:10.029 --> 01:37:14.270
um when he wrestled uh lee moriarty last saturday jb
2006
01:37:14.310 --> 01:37:17.149
i think his last match singles match for his you know,
2007
01:37:17.409 --> 01:37:20.229
a year or something like that, I'd had to go
2008
01:37:20.270 --> 01:37:21.970
back and actually look, I shouldn't know off the top
2009
01:37:21.989 --> 01:37:23.609
of my head. I wrote about it probably, but it
2010
01:37:24.710 --> 01:37:28.130
was something just wild. And, you know, the, these matches
2011
01:37:29.029 --> 01:37:32.039
Woods are, I'm sorry, Austin Creed and Kofi have been in,
2012
01:37:32.060 --> 01:37:36.479
I've just been, you know, like I had, like, I
2013
01:37:36.539 --> 01:37:38.220
had a feeling this was going to go over good,
2014
01:37:38.260 --> 01:37:41.300
especially when you, you do the rollout and all in,
2015
01:37:41.600 --> 01:37:45.680
they've got the new level song and, which completely makes
2016
01:37:45.699 --> 01:37:48.640
sense on the night. I mean, obviously the crowd went crazy.
2017
01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:53.640
You know, everybody's just buzzing. Like I, you know, in
2018
01:37:55.739 --> 01:37:58.949
kind of like the media space, JB for the press conference,
2019
01:37:59.149 --> 01:38:01.770
I don't think, I mean, obviously people were supposed to
2020
01:38:01.810 --> 01:38:05.250
like be professional, but I just, I don't think I've
2021
01:38:05.289 --> 01:38:08.689
ever seen like guys feel energy in a room like
2022
01:38:08.729 --> 01:38:14.470
these two have. And I just think, not only for morale,
2023
01:38:14.689 --> 01:38:19.500
people adeer Kofi so much and Creed for what they've done,
2024
01:38:19.539 --> 01:38:23.300
but they are guys that want to work. They're going
2025
01:38:23.319 --> 01:38:26.449
to do the indies. And I know people might be like,
2026
01:38:26.609 --> 01:38:29.289
why would Kofi want to wrestle for the Ring of
2027
01:38:29.310 --> 01:38:32.430
Honor world title? i say why not like it's kind
2028
01:38:32.470 --> 01:38:35.449
of weird but like could you imagine if kofi had
2029
01:38:35.649 --> 01:38:37.789
won the world title like he he would have been
2030
01:38:37.810 --> 01:38:40.970
i think i heard a stat it's like him and
2031
01:38:41.010 --> 01:38:45.850
jericho uh it's like jericho and joe and maybe one
2032
01:38:45.909 --> 01:38:48.090
other person i've like they would have been the only
2033
01:38:48.149 --> 01:38:51.880
people to win like world titles and ROH and like
2034
01:38:52.239 --> 01:38:54.359
WWE at the same time, it was something, it was
2035
01:38:54.380 --> 01:38:59.050
something to that extent. So I just admire them. Just
2036
01:38:59.109 --> 01:39:04.489
not just like, uh, leaning into their cache and understanding like, Hey,
2037
01:39:04.630 --> 01:39:07.989
we're actually going to as corn balls. It sounds we're
2038
01:39:08.010 --> 01:39:11.920
the best wrestle. We have to deliver, um, at a
2039
01:39:11.960 --> 01:39:13.819
certain level or it's just not going to work. And,
2040
01:39:14.319 --> 01:39:19.619
you know, Not that, you know, five-star ratings mean anything anymore, Jay,
2041
01:39:19.640 --> 01:39:23.600
because usually, you know, it's like Oprah says, sometimes everybody
2042
01:39:23.619 --> 01:39:26.390
gets a five-star rating, but like, you know, Dave Meltzer
2043
01:39:26.689 --> 01:39:29.229
gave them a five-star rating at the Trios match, and
2044
01:39:29.270 --> 01:39:32.189
I think that was one of the better Trios matches
2045
01:39:32.270 --> 01:39:36.930
AEW has ever done. They continued Heat and Space, Swerve
2046
01:39:37.029 --> 01:39:40.020
and Hangman still have. Like that reaction tonight when they
2047
01:39:40.079 --> 01:39:43.199
interacted and Hangman, you know, Swerve walked down and then
2048
01:39:43.529 --> 01:39:46.600
hangman walked down it was like holy crap like we've
2049
01:39:46.640 --> 01:39:49.239
really got something here um and i do want to
2050
01:39:49.479 --> 01:39:55.600
acknowledge the standing one-legged stomp from kofi kind of made
2051
01:39:55.640 --> 01:39:58.779
me say uh I don't know if you audibly make
2052
01:39:58.859 --> 01:40:02.920
noises if you're making– or just like, holy– you do like,
2053
01:40:03.479 --> 01:40:05.760
holy crap, what did he do as you're making notes, JB?
2054
01:40:05.800 --> 01:40:10.380
But that honestly took me– I was giving Kofi compliments
2055
01:40:10.420 --> 01:40:13.140
for just randomly doing a second rope moonsault on Saturday.
2056
01:40:13.199 --> 01:40:14.479
When I was seeing him do this, I was like,
2057
01:40:14.500 --> 01:40:16.060
holy crap, where did that come from?
2058
01:40:16.079 --> 01:40:17.979
Yeah, no, absolutely.
2059
01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:20.470
But he's still got– the new level in general still
2060
01:40:20.479 --> 01:40:24.050
have it. You know, the pairing with Swerve has been interesting,
2061
01:40:24.069 --> 01:40:27.470
but it's worked, I think, which I wasn't 100% sure
2062
01:40:28.289 --> 01:40:29.829
that was the best way to bring them about, but
2063
01:40:29.850 --> 01:40:33.109
I'm a lot more confident in that now. And, you know,
2064
01:40:33.270 --> 01:40:35.170
part of that kind of just adding on is that,
2065
01:40:35.229 --> 01:40:36.970
you know, I'm kind of curious to see now where
2066
01:40:36.989 --> 01:40:40.060
we end up with Swerve and Hangman, with that rivalry.
2067
01:40:40.569 --> 01:40:42.380
You know, I'd imagine another singles match has to be
2068
01:40:42.439 --> 01:40:43.460
somewhere on the horizon with them.
2069
01:40:43.500 --> 01:40:44.260
I'm just kind of curious.
2070
01:40:45.039 --> 01:40:47.920
You know, when Swerve and the new level kind of
2071
01:40:47.939 --> 01:40:50.619
runs its course, because I imagine, you know, new level
2072
01:40:50.640 --> 01:40:53.060
kind of run around virtually becoming more just a tag
2073
01:40:53.090 --> 01:40:55.489
team division. And then kind of when we get Swerve
2074
01:40:55.510 --> 01:40:58.109
and Hangman and how that will look, how they'll set
2075
01:40:58.149 --> 01:41:01.670
that up, you know, the next couple of months. Yeah.
2076
01:41:01.689 --> 01:41:07.170
Cause obviously like, again, I'm still really surprised. Like I
2077
01:41:07.189 --> 01:41:11.149
think that Trios matches, that Trios match, like reignited the
2078
01:41:11.210 --> 01:41:15.670
heat between them both. And it's like, now it's like
2079
01:41:15.750 --> 01:41:17.350
oh my god these fans are gonna just be on
2080
01:41:17.369 --> 01:41:19.989
the hook for the next few months because especially if
2081
01:41:20.010 --> 01:41:23.750
you're going to do swerve uh and the new level
2082
01:41:23.789 --> 01:41:26.710
versus the elite and then you can still kind of
2083
01:41:26.789 --> 01:41:30.270
involve hangman uh you know because obviously getting involved with
2084
01:41:30.310 --> 01:41:35.859
the elite and then maybe somehow hangman costs the uh
2085
01:41:35.979 --> 01:41:38.000
you know the elite the mat or you know potential
2086
01:41:38.039 --> 01:41:42.170
titles Um, and then obviously you get involved with, uh,
2087
01:41:42.529 --> 01:41:44.750
Kofi and Austin Creed versus the Bucks for the tag
2088
01:41:44.770 --> 01:41:49.760
titles at some point, uh, that's an opportunity. So, um, yeah, no, I'm,
2089
01:41:49.779 --> 01:41:51.439
I'm really looking forward to it. I think the rollout
2090
01:41:51.460 --> 01:41:55.000
has been great. Um, and I think, you know, moving forward,
2091
01:41:55.020 --> 01:42:00.880
AEW should still like, like sign still, I'm open to
2092
01:42:00.920 --> 01:42:03.560
the idea of like, I would say the last few
2093
01:42:03.600 --> 01:42:06.340
signings that I was like, man, do you really need
2094
01:42:06.359 --> 01:42:09.979
this person? Like I, it's kind of worked out immediately.
2095
01:42:10.029 --> 01:42:12.069
And I think that's like one of my favorite things
2096
01:42:12.109 --> 01:42:15.409
when I, I kind of just like, eh, I don't know.
2097
01:42:15.470 --> 01:42:17.489
And then like that person like shuts me up immediately.
2098
01:42:17.510 --> 01:42:18.989
I'm just like, Oh, I'm an idiot. I don't know
2099
01:42:19.010 --> 01:42:22.180
what I'm talking about. Like, um, I'm not back there.
2100
01:42:22.189 --> 01:42:25.260
I don't know. Um, like I was very skeptical of
2101
01:42:25.279 --> 01:42:30.739
the rascal signing. They've been in great addition. Um, you know, uh,
2102
01:42:31.000 --> 01:42:32.880
I'm trying to think of recent ones that I were
2103
01:42:32.920 --> 01:42:35.750
just like, Oh, okay. That they've actually worked out really great. Um,
2104
01:42:37.010 --> 01:42:39.689
trying to think, sorry guys it's been late at night
2105
01:42:39.729 --> 01:42:42.130
i'm trying to think but like the rascals are obviously
2106
01:42:42.149 --> 01:42:45.609
like you know doro uh there's another one like i
2107
01:42:45.649 --> 01:42:48.689
would say very very functional like you know he's not
2108
01:42:48.750 --> 01:42:51.659
hurting anything he's been a functional piece um you know
2109
01:42:51.699 --> 01:42:56.359
the the the war dog the dogs and tbd the
2110
01:42:56.380 --> 01:42:58.220
dogs i i feel like there's.
2111
01:42:58.340 --> 01:42:59.560
I don't like that's sort of the way they've been
2112
01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:02.460
booked either um yeah perfectly honest and i think uh
2113
01:43:02.899 --> 01:43:04.729
it's stymied them a little bit granted there's still quite
2114
01:43:04.750 --> 01:43:06.329
a bit of time and such a loaded roster that
2115
01:43:06.369 --> 01:43:09.149
it's hard to find a place for everyone but you know,
2116
01:43:09.170 --> 01:43:10.989
I'm not giving up on them yet, but yeah, it hasn't.
2117
01:43:10.810 --> 01:43:12.250
Been the greatest start for them.
2118
01:43:12.810 --> 01:43:12.930
Yeah.
2119
01:43:12.949 --> 01:43:13.270
And I agree.
2120
01:43:13.310 --> 01:43:15.939
I see a lot in the rascals. I hope they
2121
01:43:15.949 --> 01:43:17.479
get a push in the future. I know that they've
2122
01:43:17.500 --> 01:43:19.560
taken a lot of losses, which is kind of something
2123
01:43:19.579 --> 01:43:21.079
to be expected just because the tag team division is
2124
01:43:21.100 --> 01:43:22.920
so loaded, but I hope they get their chance at
2125
01:43:22.939 --> 01:43:25.560
some of the veteran teams to establish themselves in the
2126
01:43:25.600 --> 01:43:26.220
future as well.
2127
01:43:26.520 --> 01:43:31.159
Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Marlon Reed. I've got a very
2128
01:43:31.199 --> 01:43:33.560
high Marlon Reed. Yeah.
2129
01:43:33.699 --> 01:43:35.239
I can see him as a singles act at some
2130
01:43:35.270 --> 01:43:35.739
point for sure.
2131
01:43:36.010 --> 01:43:38.850
Yeah. See, and that was another TNA guy. didn't i
2132
01:43:38.930 --> 01:43:41.869
wasn't familiar with his game he's great he's like a
2133
01:43:41.909 --> 01:43:47.289
guy he's kind of like a sneaky c2 person yeah.
2134
01:43:46.680 --> 01:43:49.819
You know trey mcgill was actually the you know kind
2135
01:43:49.840 --> 01:43:51.819
of essentially the leader of the rascals but i always
2136
01:43:51.859 --> 01:43:55.239
saw more in my regret oh yeah i'm being honest so.
2137
01:43:56.720 --> 01:43:58.819
Derek mitchell back in our youtube chat i was interested
2138
01:43:58.840 --> 01:44:01.119
to see a first match between kofi and bandito kofi
2139
01:44:01.199 --> 01:44:05.310
earned uh rh world titles uh simply by beating lee
2140
01:44:05.369 --> 01:44:10.279
moriarty i'd prefer them being part uh uh of qualifying
2141
01:44:10.340 --> 01:44:12.859
for the wrestle dream i mean i think for what
2142
01:44:12.880 --> 01:44:14.979
the story they're telling derrick uh i think it makes
2143
01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:15.819
sense for now but.
2144
01:44:15.729 --> 01:44:17.520
I don't think you're not going to have kofi in
2145
01:44:17.550 --> 01:44:20.329
that match because the trios match right right that night
2146
01:44:20.390 --> 01:44:22.109
so i mean you would already kind of know i
2147
01:44:22.649 --> 01:44:25.149
guess you could have not announced that before the match
2148
01:44:25.850 --> 01:44:28.329
but um you know kind of tip your hand and
2149
01:44:28.350 --> 01:44:29.630
then it'd have to be bandito and i don't think
2150
01:44:29.649 --> 01:44:32.210
he'd really fit in this this match either so i
2151
01:44:32.229 --> 01:44:33.970
just don't think it would really really worked but great
2152
01:44:34.010 --> 01:44:35.189
i guess you could argue they could have had this
2153
01:44:35.229 --> 01:44:37.460
match at some point later after wrestle dream But I
2154
01:44:37.479 --> 01:44:38.659
think it kind of worked for tonight.
2155
01:44:39.319 --> 01:44:41.909
Yeah. Derek Mitchell back in our YouTube chat. The new
2156
01:44:41.949 --> 01:44:43.750
level formally in a new day has given so much
2157
01:44:43.789 --> 01:44:45.770
of the business for the last 15 years, so it's
2158
01:44:45.850 --> 01:44:49.329
great to see them enjoy themselves in AEW. They feel
2159
01:44:49.369 --> 01:44:55.279
fresh and rejuvenated. Yep. Yep. 100%. Boris J. asks, how
2160
01:44:55.300 --> 01:44:57.359
can Swerve and Hangman top what they've done previously or
2161
01:44:57.539 --> 01:44:59.680
murder match? Good question. I don't know.
2162
01:44:59.699 --> 01:45:02.239
Murderhawk monster match. Yes, pretty much.
2163
01:45:03.100 --> 01:45:05.550
Derek Mitchell asking the right questions in the YouTube chat.
2164
01:45:05.939 --> 01:45:08.529
Motorcycling machine guns made a few comparisons and hopefully they
2165
01:45:08.550 --> 01:45:11.810
will get back on track. Odd. I don't know where
2166
01:45:11.829 --> 01:45:18.270
they're at. They had the cameo and collision. And I, again,
2167
01:45:18.529 --> 01:45:21.760
usually when things like that happen, you don't want to speculate.
2168
01:45:22.180 --> 01:45:25.140
I would just say, I hope everything's well with them both.
2169
01:45:25.520 --> 01:45:29.079
Like physically, no one's ill or, you know, physically, everybody's
2170
01:45:29.119 --> 01:45:31.079
physically fit. You don't know. You wouldn't think they were just,
2171
01:45:31.380 --> 01:45:33.399
they were in that big, huge angle at all in.
2172
01:45:34.109 --> 01:45:36.250
Yeah, I heard a rumor that they had actually requested
2173
01:45:36.310 --> 01:45:40.609
to start after September, but because of the Detroit event
2174
01:45:40.689 --> 01:45:43.090
that Tony kind of overruled that and wanted them to
2175
01:45:43.270 --> 01:45:46.750
at least come out of it. And then, obviously, they
2176
01:45:46.770 --> 01:45:48.310
just kind of wanted that moment, I think, at Wembley
2177
01:45:48.329 --> 01:45:50.300
with all the teams kind of lined up and facing
2178
01:45:50.340 --> 01:45:52.600
each other. So I think they're definitely going to get
2179
01:45:52.659 --> 01:45:54.159
it sooner rather than later, but I think they had
2180
01:45:54.260 --> 01:45:54.939
things they kind of.
2181
01:45:54.920 --> 01:45:56.880
Wanted to finish up until after September.
2182
01:45:56.920 --> 01:45:57.220
I don't know.
2183
01:45:58.199 --> 01:45:59.020
I just saw that somewhere.
2184
01:45:59.579 --> 01:46:00.079
Interesting.
2185
01:46:00.319 --> 01:46:03.260
Okay, good. That makes a lot more sense because it's like,
2186
01:46:03.380 --> 01:46:06.250
that's a big huge plot hole that they dropped from
2187
01:46:06.949 --> 01:46:10.340
all in um you know i uh you know i
2188
01:46:10.340 --> 01:46:13.880
i haven't been really a big motor city machine guns
2189
01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:16.439
guy jb i'll be honest i mean you probably have
2190
01:46:16.460 --> 01:46:20.260
seen more than them in tna um i you know
2191
01:46:20.420 --> 01:46:23.829
they had kind of like the the rollout and smackdown
2192
01:46:23.890 --> 01:46:27.409
they were the champs and existed that was pretty much
2193
01:46:27.529 --> 01:46:31.010
it um you know i I think there's something there.
2194
01:46:31.050 --> 01:46:32.930
I mean, obviously they had a good rollout in Detroit.
2195
01:46:33.289 --> 01:46:36.939
I enjoyed their kind of like debut show. I want, I,
2196
01:46:37.170 --> 01:46:38.899
you know, I want to see a little bit more
2197
01:46:38.909 --> 01:46:41.600
of what, what do you, what do you got character wise? Yeah. Yeah.
2198
01:46:41.659 --> 01:46:44.760
I like, I like machine guns.
2199
01:46:44.819 --> 01:46:45.000
Yeah.
2200
01:46:45.020 --> 01:46:46.819
I mean, I think there's a ceiling to them for sure.
2201
01:46:46.840 --> 01:46:48.340
And they're kind of at the latter stages of the career.
2202
01:46:48.359 --> 01:46:49.000
I think they can have some.
2203
01:46:48.939 --> 01:46:51.199
Great matches with some of these veteran teams. I think
2204
01:46:51.229 --> 01:46:52.390
that's probably what they're here for.
2205
01:46:53.029 --> 01:46:54.930
You know, I don't think, I don't think they're going to,
2206
01:46:55.069 --> 01:46:57.789
you know, here for, for the longterm per se, I mean,
2207
01:46:57.890 --> 01:47:00.340
that's relative, but you know, they're on the older side
2208
01:47:00.350 --> 01:47:01.029
to a certain extent.
2209
01:47:01.060 --> 01:47:01.880
Yeah.
2210
01:47:02.069 --> 01:47:03.960
I actually used to see Alex, Alex Shelley at a
2211
01:47:04.020 --> 01:47:05.119
gym I used to go to, he used to go
2212
01:47:05.140 --> 01:47:07.279
to the same gym every now and then.
2213
01:47:07.300 --> 01:47:08.560
Yeah.
2214
01:47:08.760 --> 01:47:10.439
Pretty quiet dude, but you know, she's like, seems like
2215
01:47:10.460 --> 01:47:13.859
a nice guy. So yeah, no, I like the team.
2216
01:47:14.619 --> 01:47:16.640
You know, we'll see how they go, you know, not
2217
01:47:16.659 --> 01:47:19.680
the most dynamic personality or the mic necessarily, but you know,
2218
01:47:19.699 --> 01:47:21.479
where they get it over is typically in the ring.
2219
01:47:22.039 --> 01:47:23.500
And I can see them gelling really well with the
2220
01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:25.579
other teams in the division. So I'm excited about that.
2221
01:47:26.079 --> 01:47:30.800
Obviously a little biased too, just because.
2222
01:47:29.899 --> 01:47:31.520
The whole Detroit thing. Yeah.
2223
01:47:31.800 --> 01:47:32.239
Yeah.
2224
01:47:34.140 --> 01:47:36.100
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01:47:36.119 --> 01:47:38.159
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2233
01:48:18.930 --> 01:48:21.319
Last but not least, and we'll run down a little
2234
01:48:21.340 --> 01:48:24.960
bit of WrestleDream and call it a night, JB, Queen
2235
01:48:25.000 --> 01:48:30.119
Amanata versus Mercedes Monet. Obviously, they've been building up Queen
2236
01:48:30.159 --> 01:48:33.829
the last few weeks when he matches on Collision, and
2237
01:48:34.090 --> 01:48:36.979
they set up the match, you know, obviously last Saturday, and...
2238
01:48:39.210 --> 01:48:42.970
uminata getting kind of like the hometown run of rub
2239
01:48:43.130 --> 01:48:45.409
so to speak uh you know obviously going to school
2240
01:48:45.430 --> 01:48:49.640
and uh you know the the area uh you know
2241
01:48:49.899 --> 01:48:53.220
match when it kind of ended abruptly it's like you
2242
01:48:53.260 --> 01:48:58.000
know mercedes gave her a ton like i would say
2243
01:48:58.079 --> 01:49:00.600
mercedes gave her kind of like the 90 of the
2244
01:49:00.659 --> 01:49:04.319
match you probably wanted maybe like the finish to kind
2245
01:49:04.359 --> 01:49:10.460
of feel a um don't get me wrong i thought
2246
01:49:10.680 --> 01:49:14.560
mercedes bumped like a mad woman with a broken nose
2247
01:49:14.619 --> 01:49:18.720
like absolutely got like splatted several times by queen amanada
2248
01:49:19.020 --> 01:49:22.060
just like knocked her head off so kudos to her
2249
01:49:22.079 --> 01:49:25.880
um the i like how amanada is kind of adapting
2250
01:49:26.020 --> 01:49:29.000
as her spot jb where she like had does like
2251
01:49:29.039 --> 01:49:31.600
the drop kick from the chair that's a good you
2252
01:49:31.640 --> 01:49:35.609
know um good spot like it's kind of weird amanada
2253
01:49:35.630 --> 01:49:38.760
is kind of like in the uh chris statlander zone
2254
01:49:38.800 --> 01:49:43.239
right now like can you uh like i i really
2255
01:49:43.279 --> 01:49:47.420
like queen a lot jb i think i she she's
2256
01:49:47.579 --> 01:49:50.439
stiff like i i think she's got like a unique
2257
01:49:50.460 --> 01:49:54.039
background uh she's different like off with your head is
2258
01:49:54.060 --> 01:49:59.149
a kick butt move i i really really hope they
2259
01:49:59.859 --> 01:50:03.710
don't just like put her in the away zone now
2260
01:50:03.789 --> 01:50:08.239
that she's lost the uh you know match with mercedes I,
2261
01:50:08.279 --> 01:50:11.079
you know, there's, there's stuff there. I mean, I, I just,
2262
01:50:11.439 --> 01:50:14.979
you know, how much can a woman get over when
2263
01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:17.920
there's only like X amount of time and, you know,
2264
01:50:18.399 --> 01:50:21.500
they're not really doing a lot of promo stuff. Uh,
2265
01:50:21.619 --> 01:50:24.319
you know, you want, you did when somebody, how is
2266
01:50:24.359 --> 01:50:26.890
somebody only supposed to get over JB? If like they're
2267
01:50:27.270 --> 01:50:31.270
occasionally on collision, a squash match or, you know, it's hard. It's,
2268
01:50:31.430 --> 01:50:35.010
it's very hard. So I hope we get to see more, uh,
2269
01:50:35.210 --> 01:50:37.529
Amanata going forward. Cause I thought she did great tonight.
2270
01:50:38.079 --> 01:50:38.739
Yeah, absolutely.
2271
01:50:38.779 --> 01:50:40.420
I mean, I think there's a lot of potential in her,
2272
01:50:40.439 --> 01:50:42.529
as you mentioned. She's definitely a unique, unique background. It's
2273
01:50:42.590 --> 01:50:43.449
something I always point to.
2274
01:50:44.029 --> 01:50:45.229
You know, I hope that they give the match to
2275
01:50:45.250 --> 01:50:47.430
her tonight, likely because of her connection with France.
2276
01:50:47.689 --> 01:50:48.270
Yeah, absolutely.
2277
01:50:48.329 --> 01:50:50.229
It made sense, obviously, but I hope that's not the
2278
01:50:50.250 --> 01:50:52.569
only reason. I don't think it is. I mean, they
2279
01:50:52.590 --> 01:50:53.380
do see something in her.
2280
01:50:53.399 --> 01:50:54.960
At least it's got to give her a little bit
2281
01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:57.880
more reps, just in matches in general, but also on
2282
01:50:57.899 --> 01:51:00.100
the mic for sure. But like I said, she's a
2283
01:51:00.119 --> 01:51:02.460
project for sure, but I do see potential in her.
2284
01:51:02.600 --> 01:51:03.960
We talked about some of the earlier, some of the
2285
01:51:04.000 --> 01:51:07.430
younger talent in the company. And definitely Mercedes was very
2286
01:51:07.470 --> 01:51:08.949
giving to her tonight. So it seems like they have
2287
01:51:08.970 --> 01:51:12.050
a probably a pretty good relationship behind the scenes as well.
2288
01:51:12.590 --> 01:51:13.010
Yes.
2289
01:51:13.250 --> 01:51:14.630
And I said, you kind of mentioned it, but I
2290
01:51:14.670 --> 01:51:16.470
liked that Shivani, you know, mentioned that I'm not as
2291
01:51:16.560 --> 01:51:19.100
one three straight AEW matches and 20 straight ROH matches.
2292
01:51:19.359 --> 01:51:19.600
Yes.
2293
01:51:19.659 --> 01:51:21.359
That was kind of the justification for her earning a
2294
01:51:21.380 --> 01:51:23.560
title match. I think they should be both. I think
2295
01:51:23.600 --> 01:51:27.659
both WWE and AEW should be more strict about what
2296
01:51:27.699 --> 01:51:29.680
constitutes deserving a qualifying match.
2297
01:51:29.720 --> 01:51:32.630
Like WWE is kind of doing now with, with Money
2298
01:51:32.649 --> 01:51:34.069
in the Bank. I think kind of having a.
2299
01:51:34.050 --> 01:51:36.189
Triple threat for every match is, I don't know, I'm
2300
01:51:36.270 --> 01:51:39.149
not the biggest fan of that. But, you know, it's
2301
01:51:39.229 --> 01:51:41.350
kind of beside the point. And I also think that,
2302
01:51:41.489 --> 01:51:43.430
you know, I think obviously Mercedes is going to retain
2303
01:51:44.010 --> 01:51:46.810
against Tecla at WrestleDream, but I'm also not certain of that.
2304
01:51:46.899 --> 01:51:49.060
So I think, you know, because that's the case, it
2305
01:51:49.100 --> 01:51:52.079
makes the match much more intriguing to me. I'm also
2306
01:51:52.180 --> 01:51:54.819
very curious where they're going after because the AW Women's
2307
01:51:54.840 --> 01:51:58.800
Division is so top-heavy right now with obviously Tecla, Mercedes, Willow.
2308
01:51:58.840 --> 01:52:02.020
And then obviously you got to imagine a, relatively shortly
2309
01:52:02.060 --> 01:52:04.890
returning tony storm i would imagine by maybe like early
2310
01:52:04.890 --> 01:52:09.529
2020 obviously it's hard to speculate but 2027 ish or
2311
01:52:09.569 --> 01:52:11.489
in that range then when she gets back in the
2312
01:52:11.529 --> 01:52:13.350
scene you know it's a pretty top heavy division which
2313
01:52:13.430 --> 01:52:15.319
is you know it's a good problem to have.
2314
01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:20.600
Yeah i mean honestly i i would say all things
2315
01:52:20.640 --> 01:52:24.460
considered i think it's it's a story in itself that
2316
01:52:24.479 --> 01:52:27.520
the women's divisions managed just kind of like fried the
2317
01:52:27.539 --> 01:52:30.500
way without tony storm because like my god like it's
2318
01:52:30.520 --> 01:52:35.239
just showing how important and vital she is not only
2319
01:52:35.279 --> 01:52:37.590
to the company but the division as a whole uh
2320
01:52:38.529 --> 01:52:41.189
i'm really looking forward to the match with the mercedes
2321
01:52:41.229 --> 01:52:46.109
and tecla uh as we kind of segue to russell
2322
01:52:46.130 --> 01:52:50.229
dream jb i mean i it's not but like honestly
2323
01:52:50.270 --> 01:52:52.470
in a perfect world it's the match that has the
2324
01:52:52.510 --> 01:52:58.630
most heat like i you know it's probably not good
2325
01:52:58.689 --> 01:53:01.310
just to put the women on the main event just
2326
01:53:01.350 --> 01:53:04.439
to say that did it but like why i mean
2327
01:53:04.619 --> 01:53:07.760
why not just that that's probably that's the match that's
2328
01:53:07.819 --> 01:53:10.000
got the most heat technically and.
2329
01:53:09.920 --> 01:53:13.180
It the clockwork carnage matches would be kind of weird.
2330
01:53:13.319 --> 01:53:14.180
I feel like to have.
2331
01:53:14.000 --> 01:53:15.920
For a main event, it's not a.
2332
01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:17.600
You know, a pure championship match.
2333
01:53:17.789 --> 01:53:21.310
Like, like we've traditionally seen granted they've had the steel multi,
2334
01:53:21.350 --> 01:53:23.710
like the multi-man six cage man, six cage, you know,
2335
01:53:24.310 --> 01:53:26.289
title qualifying matches, the main event this year as well
2336
01:53:26.430 --> 01:53:28.590
with I think it was Briscoe's team, I think.
2337
01:53:28.630 --> 01:53:29.729
Right.
2338
01:53:30.069 --> 01:53:31.140
So that happened this year already.
2339
01:53:32.140 --> 01:53:33.439
So they, and they did that as a main event,
2340
01:53:33.500 --> 01:53:36.239
but yeah, this doesn't feel like, you know, I'm looking
2341
01:53:36.260 --> 01:53:37.779
forward to the match, but it seems like a match
2342
01:53:37.819 --> 01:53:40.579
almost you'd have like on, on a, aw tv episode
2343
01:53:40.779 --> 01:53:43.939
right it's like a special like a special episode but
2344
01:53:44.300 --> 01:53:46.600
um and then anything else on the card i mean
2345
01:53:46.619 --> 01:53:49.359
the bucks knight and kevin knight and uh pletra will
2346
01:53:49.380 --> 01:53:51.550
be fun but it just it's not doesn't have the
2347
01:53:51.560 --> 01:53:54.090
gravitas of like you obviously bucks versus cope and cage
2348
01:53:54.930 --> 01:53:56.789
um and then yeah some of the other matches i
2349
01:53:56.829 --> 01:53:59.270
mean yeah they're fun matches but i don't see any
2350
01:53:59.369 --> 01:54:01.170
true main event match on the card which is like
2351
01:54:02.090 --> 01:54:05.289
i do think mercedes tecla probably has like you said
2352
01:54:05.329 --> 01:54:07.750
the the most momentum behind it right now um from
2353
01:54:07.789 --> 01:54:09.739
a storytelling perspective as well Yeah.
2354
01:54:09.819 --> 01:54:11.300
I mean, obviously like people are going to roll their
2355
01:54:11.359 --> 01:54:12.619
eyes and like, Brian, they're not going to put the
2356
01:54:12.659 --> 01:54:14.859
women on the main event, but like, did they already
2357
01:54:14.899 --> 01:54:17.729
say the, the, the carnage match is the main event
2358
01:54:17.770 --> 01:54:18.430
of this show?
2359
01:54:18.449 --> 01:54:20.810
I don't, I haven't heard them specifically say grant.
2360
01:54:21.369 --> 01:54:21.670
Yeah.
2361
01:54:21.729 --> 01:54:23.149
Possibly could have missed it at some point, but.
2362
01:54:23.609 --> 01:54:25.909
I mean, obviously, you know, it's world champion and, you know,
2363
01:54:26.189 --> 01:54:29.369
Tony is a traditionalist, but I mean, I just, as
2364
01:54:29.489 --> 01:54:34.060
weird as the, the show, it feels like just vibe wise. Like,
2365
01:54:34.340 --> 01:54:37.279
like you said, I wonder if almost that is better
2366
01:54:37.319 --> 01:54:40.829
to kind of start the show. And I say this, like,
2367
01:54:41.329 --> 01:54:43.930
let's think worst case scenario. If it's worst case scenario,
2368
01:54:43.989 --> 01:54:46.880
it's kind of clunky. It's the start of the show.
2369
01:54:47.899 --> 01:54:51.279
And then everybody else can kind of build up from that.
2370
01:54:51.520 --> 01:54:53.439
It's like, yeah, no, I definitely think that makes the
2371
01:54:53.699 --> 01:54:54.920
carnage match almost makes sense.
2372
01:54:54.760 --> 01:54:59.140
To open the show with in this case. Granted.
2373
01:54:59.220 --> 01:54:59.380
Yeah.
2374
01:54:59.399 --> 01:55:01.439
Like you risk a little bit because you take a lot,
2375
01:55:01.479 --> 01:55:03.560
a lot of the higher level men's title challengers out
2376
01:55:03.600 --> 01:55:04.399
of the rest of the show.
2377
01:55:04.420 --> 01:55:05.039
Right.
2378
01:55:05.279 --> 01:55:07.689
And there's a certain amount of risk in that, but.
2379
01:55:08.180 --> 01:55:10.380
let's be honest, this is like probably one of the lower,
2380
01:55:10.399 --> 01:55:11.859
going to be one of the lower tier pay-per-views of
2381
01:55:11.880 --> 01:55:13.020
the year as far as how they're treated. It's all
2382
01:55:13.039 --> 01:55:14.640
coming off a three-week build, which is coming off of
2383
01:55:14.699 --> 01:55:16.720
a four-week build. So there wasn't a lot of time
2384
01:55:16.779 --> 01:55:19.720
for it, which is fine. You're going to have those
2385
01:55:19.739 --> 01:55:22.039
pay-per-views and you expand to the schedule that Tony Khan's
2386
01:55:22.079 --> 01:55:25.140
not running. But yeah, I mean, I just think, like
2387
01:55:25.159 --> 01:55:27.800
you said, it is justified by, and I don't want
2388
01:55:27.899 --> 01:55:29.600
to say by default because it deserves more than that,
2389
01:55:29.680 --> 01:55:31.960
but there just isn't anything super hot for the card.
2390
01:55:32.739 --> 01:55:36.590
Yeah, I mean, I think if you get Mercedes and
2391
01:55:36.600 --> 01:55:41.069
Tecla together, and kind of a face-to-face next week uh
2392
01:55:41.250 --> 01:55:44.590
you know i see them obviously you can't just base
2393
01:55:44.609 --> 01:55:48.729
it on the paris reaction but i think like the
2394
01:55:48.770 --> 01:55:51.470
biggest kind of like people were afraid of like oh
2395
01:55:51.489 --> 01:55:52.930
my god who are we going to root for i
2396
01:55:53.489 --> 01:55:55.550
think in the in this scenario tecla's.
2397
01:55:55.229 --> 01:55:57.789
Clearly the baby face clearly clearly tecla will get a
2398
01:55:57.810 --> 01:56:01.439
majority they'll be treated in a pretty clear face a
2399
01:56:01.800 --> 01:56:04.460
face heel alignment in this particular match just because i
2400
01:56:04.479 --> 01:56:07.060
think tecla's gotten so over and They're willing to treat
2401
01:56:07.079 --> 01:56:08.899
Mercedes like a heel when it matters.
2402
01:56:09.100 --> 01:56:10.539
So, yeah, I think it will be in alignment.
2403
01:56:11.399 --> 01:56:14.380
Yeah, and then, you know, you've got a five-match card. Like,
2404
01:56:14.600 --> 01:56:19.600
you know, we've mentioned Mercedes-Tecla. You've got the Clark or
2405
01:56:19.680 --> 01:56:22.579
Carnage match, which I guess we haven't really discussed. But, like,
2406
01:56:22.600 --> 01:56:28.310
to me, it– Okay, like I really– I roll when
2407
01:56:28.329 --> 01:56:32.159
people say this is confusing. Why would AEW do this?
2408
01:56:32.199 --> 01:56:35.119
To me, like this is like their version of Iron
2409
01:56:35.140 --> 01:56:37.979
Survivor to me except like they don't have the penalty box.
2410
01:56:38.399 --> 01:56:40.359
I also really like that they took the time to
2411
01:56:40.399 --> 01:56:43.229
do that video package with kind of breaking down the
2412
01:56:43.430 --> 01:56:45.449
rules as a concept. I think this is something they
2413
01:56:45.470 --> 01:56:48.810
don't often do. And the fact that they explained it
2414
01:56:48.869 --> 01:56:51.310
as a casino gauntlet kind of meets an Ironman match,
2415
01:56:51.369 --> 01:56:52.850
I mean, I think that's a good explanation.
2416
01:56:52.869 --> 01:56:54.869
They broke it down kind of step by step. It's really,
2417
01:56:55.409 --> 01:56:56.829
I don't know. I mean, if you can't understand that,
2418
01:56:56.850 --> 01:56:58.529
I think that's a little bit disingenuous.
2419
01:56:58.590 --> 01:57:00.210
Now, granted, if they just kind of said this is
2420
01:57:00.250 --> 01:57:02.090
Clockwork Carnage and then briefly mentioned it kind of in
2421
01:57:02.130 --> 01:57:05.489
passing once, okay, that's not doing enough justice. But they've
2422
01:57:05.520 --> 01:57:08.449
definitely broken it down, explaining it a couple times already,
2423
01:57:08.979 --> 01:57:10.939
and I'm sure they'll do more legwork next week for that.
2424
01:57:11.380 --> 01:57:13.800
Yeah, and then they've got Collision this Saturday, which I'm
2425
01:57:13.840 --> 01:57:16.300
sure they're going to hammer it home again. So you've
2426
01:57:16.340 --> 01:57:20.600
got plenty of time to, you know, explain. I just like, yeah,
2427
01:57:20.880 --> 01:57:23.300
to me, I that like I, you know, I will
2428
01:57:23.319 --> 01:57:24.899
say I'll throw my hands up. I kind of like
2429
01:57:24.939 --> 01:57:27.689
roll my eyes when they rolled out NXT, rolled out
2430
01:57:27.770 --> 01:57:30.949
the Iron Survivor Challenge. And, you know, yearly now it's
2431
01:57:30.989 --> 01:57:33.649
like the hottest match that they build. And usually it's
2432
01:57:34.010 --> 01:57:36.949
build like, you know, great success stories. You look at
2433
01:57:36.989 --> 01:57:39.890
someone like Kendall Gray. I mean, Trick Williams, just the
2434
01:57:39.909 --> 01:57:41.960
name of, you know, a few people in the match. And,
2435
01:57:42.260 --> 01:57:45.310
you know, it seems silly, but like it it. does
2436
01:57:45.369 --> 01:57:48.829
really well on the night. And, you know, Osprey did this, um,
2437
01:57:49.710 --> 01:57:52.069
at the indie show, this is obviously his baby, his creation.
2438
01:57:52.109 --> 01:57:55.229
So like, they're not going to go in this half ass. So,
2439
01:57:55.270 --> 01:57:57.069
you know, there's going to be a lot of planning.
2440
01:57:57.470 --> 01:57:59.750
I mean, you could do some great stories. Osprey could
2441
01:57:59.810 --> 01:58:02.170
get pins a couple of times and that you've got,
2442
01:58:02.649 --> 01:58:04.869
so you've got some TV challengers off the bat right
2443
01:58:04.890 --> 01:58:08.159
there that you can say Osprey versus Samoa Joe, uh,
2444
01:58:08.270 --> 01:58:12.100
Osprey versus, uh, takesha or you know however you want
2445
01:58:12.119 --> 01:58:14.119
to go i think that's an easy kind of like
2446
01:58:14.600 --> 01:58:17.260
platform to kind of say i mean you could even
2447
01:58:17.279 --> 01:58:20.560
a rock a debut you could do a dragon off
2448
01:58:20.850 --> 01:58:23.829
in this scenario if you really wanted to uh mjf
2449
01:58:23.850 --> 01:58:26.750
could return and lose in the first section as a
2450
01:58:26.770 --> 01:58:31.500
heel and in character and I think that's completely fine. Yeah.
2451
01:58:31.600 --> 01:58:32.020
No, cool.
2452
01:58:32.060 --> 01:58:33.779
Like you said, you could set up, you could tell
2453
01:58:33.800 --> 01:58:35.539
a lot of stories within the match as well. That'll
2454
01:58:35.560 --> 01:58:37.500
set up things as we go forward towards the end
2455
01:58:37.539 --> 01:58:40.449
of the year into, into early 2027. So, you know,
2456
01:58:40.710 --> 01:58:42.329
I think it presents that and, you know, instead of
2457
01:58:42.350 --> 01:58:44.579
coming off a three week build and the Okada at, at,
2458
01:58:44.989 --> 01:58:47.770
you know, Grand Slam France, it's just, you can't really
2459
01:58:47.810 --> 01:58:50.029
build up a proper challenger, but you also want to
2460
01:58:50.069 --> 01:58:50.909
have the champion.
2461
01:58:50.630 --> 01:58:52.789
In the show. This kind of works. I mean, this
2462
01:58:52.810 --> 01:58:53.810
just works.
2463
01:58:53.840 --> 01:58:55.659
And granted, it's not going to be the best-selling pay-per-view
2464
01:58:55.680 --> 01:58:57.399
of the year. It could arguably not be one of
2465
01:58:57.439 --> 01:59:00.279
the worst-selling pay-per-views of the year. But you have to
2466
01:59:00.319 --> 01:59:02.439
have one or two of those. It's just the reality
2467
01:59:02.479 --> 01:59:04.439
of things when you do an expanded pay-per-view schedule.
2468
01:59:04.930 --> 01:59:08.510
Yeah. I mean, especially with the quick turnaround and circumstances.
2469
01:59:08.649 --> 01:59:09.350
Yeah, absolutely.
2470
01:59:09.689 --> 01:59:13.770
And then you've got the tag team match, Bucks versus
2471
01:59:13.850 --> 01:59:14.510
Knight and Fletcher.
2472
01:59:14.529 --> 01:59:14.649
Yeah.
2473
01:59:15.109 --> 01:59:18.000
Moxley davis and then uh the trios match so right
2474
01:59:18.020 --> 01:59:19.020
now you've got a five.
2475
01:59:18.840 --> 01:59:21.579
Card i'm sure the matches added for sure.
2476
01:59:21.439 --> 01:59:24.560
Yeah i mean yeah they're they've got the number one
2477
01:59:24.600 --> 01:59:27.520
contenders for the the women's tag that they'll probably add
2478
01:59:27.590 --> 01:59:31.390
so most i want to say most likely it'll probably
2479
01:59:31.430 --> 01:59:36.630
end up actually being um i better uh it'll be
2480
01:59:36.710 --> 01:59:39.449
stat and harley cameron verse uh the brawling birds only
2481
01:59:39.489 --> 01:59:42.760
just because it seems like they're building something with the
2482
01:59:43.079 --> 01:59:48.149
uh uh sky blue and uh julia hard versus uh
2483
01:59:48.199 --> 01:59:52.729
divine dominion so that's fine yeah so uh are they
2484
01:59:52.750 --> 01:59:56.069
going to add the tbs title for i don't.
2485
01:59:56.289 --> 01:59:58.970
I mean again i always i think i did think
2486
01:59:58.989 --> 02:00:00.449
though i kind of would have rather had it kind
2487
02:00:00.470 --> 02:00:02.899
of reversed because they're doing heel heel and face face
2488
02:00:02.909 --> 02:00:04.520
with the tag so why wouldn't you've just done you
2489
02:00:04.560 --> 02:00:07.340
know sky blue and julia heart versus the brawling birds
2490
02:00:07.359 --> 02:00:10.420
and then reversed it and put uh statlander and uh
2491
02:00:10.600 --> 02:00:13.340
cameron against a divine dominion Yeah.
2492
02:00:13.439 --> 02:00:15.380
I mean, I would have rather that, but, like, I
2493
02:00:15.439 --> 02:00:18.439
think for the story they were telling, I mean, the,
2494
02:00:18.560 --> 02:00:21.430
you know, Sisters of Sin could easily lose again for
2495
02:00:21.449 --> 02:00:24.710
the tag titles. Like, I just, like, I don't, I mean,
2496
02:00:25.289 --> 02:00:27.729
I think they've improved actually quite a bit the past
2497
02:00:27.970 --> 02:00:30.199
few months. I just, like, I mean, if you're going
2498
02:00:30.220 --> 02:00:32.520
to just do that for dynamic, it'll be fine, you know.
2499
02:00:33.380 --> 02:00:35.880
But I just think for, I can see, like.
2500
02:00:36.649 --> 02:00:38.560
Sorry, don't mean to interrupt, but Darius Mitchell just said
2501
02:00:38.579 --> 02:00:41.159
in the chat, it's actually, it looks like a triple threat,
2502
02:00:41.199 --> 02:00:43.939
Divine Dominion, Sisters of Sin versus Dallander and Cameron.
2503
02:00:44.659 --> 02:00:48.170
Okay, yeah. So then, hmm.
2504
02:00:48.970 --> 02:00:51.210
That's a little better in the sense that you have
2505
02:00:51.270 --> 02:00:52.920
two heels versus a face tag team.
2506
02:00:53.960 --> 02:00:55.560
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. But I was
2507
02:00:55.579 --> 02:00:59.529
still suggesting Staten, Cameron are the winners just because, like,
2508
02:00:59.649 --> 02:01:02.010
I think they're doing, like, a story with the Sisters
2509
02:01:02.069 --> 02:01:02.970
of Sin and Divine.
2510
02:01:02.989 --> 02:01:04.670
Oh, is that a number one contenders match?
2511
02:01:04.930 --> 02:01:05.569
Yeah.
2512
02:01:05.609 --> 02:01:05.909
Okay.
2513
02:01:06.270 --> 02:01:08.449
That's what I'm saying. So I just feel like.
2514
02:01:08.489 --> 02:01:10.829
Yeah, I almost think Sisters of Sin will probably win
2515
02:01:10.869 --> 02:01:12.550
that match, but I guess they should.
2516
02:01:12.810 --> 02:01:15.569
Yeah, I mean, they lose all the time. I mean, that.
2517
02:01:17.439 --> 02:01:20.760
I, like I was saying, I always appreciate Tony Khan
2518
02:01:20.920 --> 02:01:25.470
wanting to showcase people, but, like... not everybody needs, I'm sorry,
2519
02:01:25.510 --> 02:01:27.680
not everybody needs to be on this card. Like, especially
2520
02:01:27.699 --> 02:01:29.140
since this is not going to be like a great
2521
02:01:29.159 --> 02:01:29.640
card anyway.
2522
02:01:30.560 --> 02:01:32.199
This is where I have a problem if you have
2523
02:01:32.229 --> 02:01:35.109
an over four hour card. Yes. And you're just, that's,
2524
02:01:35.569 --> 02:01:40.699
gets boring i mean that's literally you're having like regular dynamic.
2525
02:01:40.420 --> 02:01:43.560
Collision matches on the card yeah i.
2526
02:01:43.539 --> 02:01:47.000
Would prefer five max six matches i mean anything more
2527
02:01:47.039 --> 02:01:49.300
than that and i'm like i might start glizzing over
2528
02:01:49.340 --> 02:01:50.720
a little bit it's like okay we don't need this
2529
02:01:50.939 --> 02:01:52.710
every three to four weeks i mean that's.
2530
02:01:52.619 --> 02:01:55.170
Right it's a lot no i i agree uh so
2531
02:01:55.810 --> 02:02:00.270
you're you're probably gonna at least get two more women
2532
02:02:00.470 --> 02:02:02.729
one to two more women's matches whether that be on
2533
02:02:02.750 --> 02:02:05.279
the main or pre-show i mean i don't know what
2534
02:02:05.310 --> 02:02:08.890
they're doing with the tbs idol um currently uh i
2535
02:02:08.909 --> 02:02:11.670
would love for them to maybe just put some meat
2536
02:02:12.630 --> 02:02:14.250
if you're gonna just give me a random match like
2537
02:02:14.270 --> 02:02:18.569
i don't respectfully if you're i i don't need another
2538
02:02:18.609 --> 02:02:21.569
champion on on the show give me marina severe versus
2539
02:02:21.930 --> 02:02:25.899
somebody i don't care like have her start winning stuff
2540
02:02:26.079 --> 02:02:30.239
because jb i'm i'm telling you i I really, really, really,
2541
02:02:30.420 --> 02:02:33.020
really think, and as hard as it is as a
2542
02:02:33.140 --> 02:02:35.819
woman to get over in this company, I think there's
2543
02:02:35.840 --> 02:02:39.250
something there with Marina Shafir. I know she's not like this.
2544
02:02:39.729 --> 02:02:43.470
I don't think she's, she's obviously not at, she's not as,
2545
02:02:44.029 --> 02:02:46.430
she's not Mercedes Monet, right? She's the ace of the,
2546
02:02:46.529 --> 02:02:48.810
you know, she's not, I don't, she's not on Tony
2547
02:02:48.829 --> 02:02:51.880
Storm's level. That's also fine. But I really think it's
2548
02:02:51.920 --> 02:02:57.550
that like from a, like, like, having that connection with
2549
02:02:57.569 --> 02:03:00.069
the crowd is so hard especially if you are a
2550
02:03:00.090 --> 02:03:02.500
woman in wrestling jb i really think there is something
2551
02:03:02.520 --> 02:03:06.939
there with marina like go with her like just.
2552
02:03:06.720 --> 02:03:08.939
Go and it's not all about being a great wrestler
2553
02:03:08.979 --> 02:03:10.779
it's about like you said having the connection having a
2554
02:03:10.800 --> 02:03:13.890
certain element of charisma she's also a certified just certified
2555
02:03:13.930 --> 02:03:17.529
badass yes absolutely so and obviously she's an easy baby
2556
02:03:17.550 --> 02:03:19.470
face now uh she had a great reaction last week
2557
02:03:19.489 --> 02:03:23.119
for obvious reasons But I think that's easily transferable to
2558
02:03:23.140 --> 02:03:25.659
the future. So I'm definitely a hundred percent behind pushing,
2559
02:03:25.800 --> 02:03:29.979
pushing Marina. Definitely even to the point of getting a
2560
02:03:30.020 --> 02:03:32.560
title shot within, you know, let's say six month period.
2561
02:03:32.899 --> 02:03:34.119
Hey, it's really achievable.
2562
02:03:36.340 --> 02:03:39.180
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Yeah, I mean, like, why not in, like, two or
2585
02:04:40.159 --> 02:04:42.619
three months? Give her a run at the TPS title.
2586
02:04:42.659 --> 02:04:42.979
Why not?
2587
02:04:43.760 --> 02:04:49.760
Like you said, you've got to have these people win matches.
2588
02:04:49.979 --> 02:04:53.140
And then you can easily have– I'm trying to think
2589
02:04:53.180 --> 02:04:58.180
of somebody that Marina could wrestle on the pay-per-view. Let's
2590
02:04:58.239 --> 02:05:03.710
say– oh, I don't know. She does it. cheetah yeah
2591
02:05:03.770 --> 02:05:06.770
cheetah that you know or like even you know what
2592
02:05:06.869 --> 02:05:10.699
even if it's a squash on a pay-per-view why why the.
2593
02:05:10.619 --> 02:05:13.079
Hell not it's a starting point and also we don't
2594
02:05:13.119 --> 02:05:16.479
need longer matches so yes it's kind of okay.
2595
02:05:16.199 --> 02:05:20.449
If marina if marina is they're hip tossing people and just.
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02:05:20.279 --> 02:05:25.229
Like creating arm bars yeah arm bars brutalizers like.
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02:05:25.470 --> 02:05:27.949
Uh just start doing that give her the workload treatment
2598
02:05:28.010 --> 02:05:30.270
and just re-establish her as a killer i kind of
2599
02:05:30.289 --> 02:05:33.310
feel like they've they bastardize that a little bit too
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02:05:33.350 --> 02:05:35.829
much all throughout the year. But I mean, God, man,
2601
02:05:35.869 --> 02:05:37.810
like give her, give her a run.
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02:05:38.130 --> 02:05:39.529
Like why, why not?
2603
02:05:39.550 --> 02:05:42.739
Cause it's so like, you know, it's so hard for
2604
02:05:42.760 --> 02:05:47.060
to get that organic connection. And I just feel like there,
2605
02:05:47.220 --> 02:05:49.619
there's not going to be a time where, you know,
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02:05:49.640 --> 02:05:54.079
this is the most, she's probably going to be over
2607
02:05:54.340 --> 02:05:57.710
with the fans. So just go like the, and just
2608
02:05:57.729 --> 02:05:59.130
let people work.
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02:05:59.170 --> 02:06:01.229
I actually expect them to do so just because.
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02:06:01.289 --> 02:06:01.829
I hope so.
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02:06:02.250 --> 02:06:03.300
Not just because of circumstances.
2612
02:06:03.310 --> 02:06:06.399
She's also gotten herself over, but, I mean, sometimes circumstances
2613
02:06:06.439 --> 02:06:08.479
can also put a little more fuel behind the fire
2614
02:06:08.520 --> 02:06:08.800
as well.
2615
02:06:08.920 --> 02:06:12.859
Right. I honestly would hope, JB, I was thinking about this, like,
2616
02:06:13.199 --> 02:06:18.659
as her persona grows, I wish, like, my hope for
2617
02:06:18.699 --> 02:06:22.130
her is, like, people, I know she's the problem, but
2618
02:06:22.229 --> 02:06:26.750
I hope, like, eventually it's given... with the permission or
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02:06:26.810 --> 02:06:31.159
grace that she's announced as she's the bastard. Like I,
2620
02:06:31.649 --> 02:06:32.520
I would love that for her.
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02:06:32.600 --> 02:06:34.520
It was a really cool moment too, is, you know,
2622
02:06:34.619 --> 02:06:37.520
in the, in the video promo, Marina did like a
2623
02:06:37.539 --> 02:06:39.100
speech from, I think they was this event she was
2624
02:06:39.199 --> 02:06:41.020
at when she found out, she brought out the inner
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02:06:41.039 --> 02:06:41.720
bastard in me.
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02:06:41.819 --> 02:06:44.119
I mean, that'd be really cool. You know, like, like story.
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02:06:44.600 --> 02:06:48.989
Absolutely. Like she, that's like Justin Roberts announces her as
2628
02:06:49.369 --> 02:06:53.239
she's the bastard. And I think especially with her, Not
2629
02:06:53.260 --> 02:06:55.199
that Mother's Milk is, you know, it's a fine submission,
2630
02:06:55.220 --> 02:06:58.899
but I think her adapting, you know, the Brutalizer is
2631
02:06:58.939 --> 02:07:03.579
an excellent touch. And, you know, I hope the best.
2632
02:07:03.859 --> 02:07:05.659
And how refreshing would it be just to have a
2633
02:07:05.699 --> 02:07:07.199
squash match on a pay-per-view?
2634
02:07:07.520 --> 02:07:09.100
You don't see that too often.
2635
02:07:09.239 --> 02:07:10.260
No, absolutely.
2636
02:07:10.279 --> 02:07:14.159
Even if it's on the pre-show, I mean, that's okay.
2637
02:07:15.239 --> 02:07:17.460
No, no, no. Give her a pay-per-view moment, though. That's
2638
02:07:17.479 --> 02:07:20.520
what I'm saying. It would be so refreshing because it
2639
02:07:20.539 --> 02:07:24.010
would be so different. Like, even if the entrance is
2640
02:07:24.050 --> 02:07:27.670
longer than the match, who cares? Like, it's something, it's
2641
02:07:27.949 --> 02:07:30.630
completely something different, like you said, on the, like, I
2642
02:07:30.670 --> 02:07:32.890
want Tony just to be weird on the format on
2643
02:07:32.909 --> 02:07:36.500
this card because it's like, yeah, like, because obviously the
2644
02:07:36.539 --> 02:07:38.460
main event's probably going to, you know, it's going to go.
2645
02:07:39.039 --> 02:07:41.279
Derek kind of made a good point in the chat.
2646
02:07:41.300 --> 02:07:43.460
He goes, with the 203 Falls match and the Clockwork
2647
02:07:43.479 --> 02:07:45.220
Cards match, I mean, those two matches themselves are going
2648
02:07:45.239 --> 02:07:47.319
to eat up a lot of time in their own right, so.
2649
02:07:48.640 --> 02:07:50.680
Yeah, okay. I see that. Yeah, I think two out
2650
02:07:50.699 --> 02:07:53.199
of three falls as well. Yeah, that's going to eat
2651
02:07:53.239 --> 02:07:56.250
up a lot of time. So, you know, if I
2652
02:07:56.270 --> 02:07:58.970
know Tony Khan, he's got to– there's potentially at least
2653
02:07:59.010 --> 02:08:02.220
three to four matches. I don't want them to add
2654
02:08:02.359 --> 02:08:03.979
Nick Wayne and Jericho on this card.
2655
02:08:04.000 --> 02:08:07.319
No. Do it in France. I mean, it's fine.
2656
02:08:07.399 --> 02:08:12.439
Yes. Not everything needs– like you have to earn the spot.
2657
02:08:12.899 --> 02:08:15.609
I want Tony just to be a little bit more–
2658
02:08:16.239 --> 02:08:19.399
what's the word? Yeah. Not stingy, but judicious.
2659
02:08:19.819 --> 02:08:20.079
Yes.
2660
02:08:20.380 --> 02:08:24.899
Yes. Just like I mean that I would be almost
2661
02:08:25.020 --> 02:08:28.149
open more, JB, like if there were like those ongoing
2662
02:08:28.560 --> 02:08:31.789
feuds and programs on collision. It's like specifically like.
2663
02:08:32.029 --> 02:08:34.050
Sometimes I will say in a weekly TV, it's like
2664
02:08:34.090 --> 02:08:35.970
you wish there was a little bit more power punch
2665
02:08:36.010 --> 02:08:37.670
behind some of the matches. And there's a lot of
2666
02:08:37.689 --> 02:08:39.649
matches you could have those pay-per-views that you could distribute
2667
02:08:39.670 --> 02:08:40.170
better throughout.
2668
02:08:40.649 --> 02:08:42.189
Dynamite and collision in my opinion.
2669
02:08:42.109 --> 02:08:44.569
I'm telling you like it some of these matches that
2670
02:08:44.590 --> 02:08:46.390
you kind of like you said you roll your eyes
2671
02:08:46.449 --> 02:08:49.029
and you just like oh my god like what's what's
2672
02:08:49.069 --> 02:08:49.689
happening i.
2673
02:08:49.689 --> 02:08:52.970
Mean more so collision but it does occasionally happen in
2674
02:08:52.989 --> 02:08:54.250
dynamite as well so.
2675
02:08:54.649 --> 02:08:57.119
Right it just it would translate so much better if
2676
02:08:57.199 --> 02:08:59.680
it was like actually on collision because like the the
2677
02:09:00.140 --> 02:09:02.939
the 10th match where you like you mentioned earlier your
2678
02:09:03.000 --> 02:09:04.760
eyes are crazed over it's like oh my god it's
2679
02:09:04.779 --> 02:09:08.189
like i that would do fantastic on the main event.
2680
02:09:08.029 --> 02:09:10.880
For collision exactly but yeah it's like you said people
2681
02:09:10.899 --> 02:09:13.180
like only have so much time to dedicate on a
2682
02:09:13.199 --> 02:09:15.739
weekend in particular i mean there's like like i would
2683
02:09:15.760 --> 02:09:17.779
say it's a lot better for people sunset but also
2684
02:09:17.800 --> 02:09:19.439
a lot of people are doing things on saturday night
2685
02:09:19.479 --> 02:09:21.729
as well i mean either throughout the day or things
2686
02:09:21.770 --> 02:09:24.029
at night it's like they they you know they don't
2687
02:09:24.069 --> 02:09:26.250
want the entire day to be consumed you know and
2688
02:09:26.270 --> 02:09:27.869
then a sunday night people you generally have to either
2689
02:09:27.890 --> 02:09:29.909
work up for work or school in the morning so.
2690
02:09:29.770 --> 02:09:35.229
Right All right. Well, JB, we went about two hours
2691
02:09:35.289 --> 02:09:35.710
on the show.
2692
02:09:37.010 --> 02:09:38.970
Just one more real quick thing. Yeah, go for it.
2693
02:09:39.090 --> 02:09:40.770
We already touched on it to a certain extent, but
2694
02:09:40.930 --> 02:09:43.050
Nick Wayne did the pre-tape promo. I like that he
2695
02:09:43.090 --> 02:09:46.229
demanded Jericho sees him as a multi-time champion in the
2696
02:09:46.270 --> 02:09:48.770
future and that he also respects Jericho, but that only
2697
02:09:48.810 --> 02:09:53.300
means it'll prove that Wayne was better than he was
2698
02:09:53.380 --> 02:09:55.000
now and he's better than he will be in the future.
2699
02:09:55.630 --> 02:09:59.949
It's just the perfect cocky punchable heel. But he also
2700
02:09:59.970 --> 02:10:02.189
didn't come across as cartoonish as he sometimes does tonight.
2701
02:10:02.270 --> 02:10:03.869
So I think he's getting better at that, which is
2702
02:10:03.890 --> 02:10:05.149
a positive thing.
2703
02:10:05.270 --> 02:10:09.140
Yeah, I mean, Wade and I really liked the match
2704
02:10:09.220 --> 02:10:10.640
they had a couple weeks ago, JB.
2705
02:10:10.659 --> 02:10:11.300
Yeah, me too.
2706
02:10:11.789 --> 02:10:13.770
It was a good story. I mean, obviously, like, the
2707
02:10:13.829 --> 02:10:16.270
necklace thing, kind of goofy at the start, but then
2708
02:10:16.689 --> 02:10:18.649
Nick Wayne did go back and explain it wasn't about
2709
02:10:18.689 --> 02:10:19.109
the necklace.
2710
02:10:19.449 --> 02:10:22.329
Thank God, because we don't need more necklace or charm
2711
02:10:22.369 --> 02:10:24.829
lore in wrestling. I mentioned this in the last show
2712
02:10:24.869 --> 02:10:27.439
with Wade, too. It was the two-hour and then down
2713
02:10:27.449 --> 02:10:32.039
by the one-hour collision because of the pay-per-view that Saturday. But, yeah, like,
2714
02:10:32.060 --> 02:10:34.159
I mean, it's no different than the CM Punk, you know,
2715
02:10:34.340 --> 02:10:37.079
McIntyre friendship bracelet thing that they made. That was a
2716
02:10:37.119 --> 02:10:39.560
main event feud they did for months. So, I mean,
2717
02:10:39.659 --> 02:10:42.420
if you're going to... criticize one they're you know it's
2718
02:10:42.439 --> 02:10:45.260
a much different level feud as well right and he
2719
02:10:45.300 --> 02:10:48.560
explained it so i'm perfectly fine with that yeah absolutely.
2720
02:10:49.359 --> 02:10:51.119
All right well uh we'll go ahead and get out
2721
02:10:51.220 --> 02:10:53.729
uh jb you have any uh other final parting thoughts
2722
02:10:53.770 --> 02:10:54.460
before we head.
2723
02:10:54.369 --> 02:10:57.729
Out no yeah absolutely um you know good show tonight
2724
02:10:57.770 --> 02:11:00.350
i thought they they stacked this this france card it
2725
02:11:00.369 --> 02:11:02.710
was it was a stronger than normal dynamite which is
2726
02:11:02.750 --> 02:11:04.350
a good thing i think for the international crowd i
2727
02:11:04.789 --> 02:11:06.430
was happy to do that obviously on a unique night
2728
02:11:06.590 --> 02:11:08.909
or different night being on tuesday like to, you know,
2729
02:11:08.930 --> 02:11:11.569
obviously see how it does against, you know, baseball playoffs and, and, um,
2730
02:11:11.840 --> 02:11:14.960
and NXT, but, um, yeah, the rest of the schedule
2731
02:11:14.979 --> 02:11:17.479
next week. And, you know, I'm looking forward to, to
2732
02:11:17.500 --> 02:11:19.159
wrestle dream. Like it'd be, it should be easy, more
2733
02:11:19.199 --> 02:11:21.399
easily digestible. So that's, that's not always a bad thing.
2734
02:11:21.859 --> 02:11:25.000
Yeah, no, absolutely. Uh, appreciate everybody hanging out with us
2735
02:11:25.060 --> 02:11:27.560
in the chat on our YouTube listeners. Thanks so much
2736
02:11:27.600 --> 02:11:31.670
again for audio listeners. Uh, it's been Brian Zilm, uh,
2737
02:11:32.130 --> 02:11:35.869
JB from Detroit, happy to fill in with our leader,
2738
02:11:35.949 --> 02:11:39.170
Wade Keller. Wade, get some rest. Hope we did the
2739
02:11:39.210 --> 02:11:43.210
show well, followed the format. Tried to stay on point tonight, Wade.
2740
02:11:43.670 --> 02:11:45.390
Really did. You know, we had some weather talk here
2741
02:11:45.409 --> 02:11:47.829
and there, but, you know, I thought we did a
2742
02:11:47.850 --> 02:11:49.050
good job. It was a fun show.
2743
02:11:49.069 --> 02:11:53.649
We didn't bring up enough Minnesota sports, Twin City sports teams, though.
2744
02:11:53.850 --> 02:11:56.300
No, I mean, I guess I need to ask you
2745
02:11:56.319 --> 02:11:59.920
about Jalen Duren, JB. I got to ask you about
2746
02:11:59.939 --> 02:12:01.119
Jalen Duren. What's going on?
2747
02:12:01.939 --> 02:12:04.329
You know, I mean, there's a between a rock and
2748
02:12:04.350 --> 02:12:08.369
a hard place situation. You know, he's obviously, I think
2749
02:12:08.409 --> 02:12:10.289
I heard his reputation here a little bit, just to
2750
02:12:10.449 --> 02:12:12.609
smell the way it was handled, but you also can't
2751
02:12:12.649 --> 02:12:14.600
let him walk for zero value either. So it was
2752
02:12:14.680 --> 02:12:16.479
a tough, you don't want to sign him from the max,
2753
02:12:16.560 --> 02:12:18.479
but they did send him to a relatively large contract,
2754
02:12:19.380 --> 02:12:21.659
but on the positive side, it looks like, I mean,
2755
02:12:21.699 --> 02:12:22.500
it's one preseason game.
2756
02:12:22.520 --> 02:12:24.319
It looks like Austin Thompson's kind of developing a mid
2757
02:12:24.359 --> 02:12:24.840
range shot.
2758
02:12:24.920 --> 02:12:27.020
So if one of those two can become an offensive threat,
2759
02:12:27.119 --> 02:12:28.859
then you can afford to have a.
2760
02:12:28.979 --> 02:12:31.170
Less of a threat in one aspect as well.
2761
02:12:31.649 --> 02:12:33.489
So you just got to hope that, that all seer
2762
02:12:33.529 --> 02:12:35.270
progresses and is worth the contract that we just signed
2763
02:12:35.310 --> 02:12:37.510
him to as well. And if he does, I'm optimistic
2764
02:12:37.529 --> 02:12:38.710
about more optimistic about the.
2765
02:12:38.680 --> 02:12:40.539
Season as far as they can play.
2766
02:12:40.779 --> 02:12:40.960
So.
2767
02:12:41.479 --> 02:12:41.739
Love it.
2768
02:12:41.760 --> 02:12:47.220
We'll have this, uh, exchange, uh, uh, interaction, certainly season
2769
02:12:47.359 --> 02:12:50.140
between you, I, and, uh, Wade.
2770
02:12:50.439 --> 02:12:51.779
We can do the forum. Yeah.
2771
02:12:51.800 --> 02:12:53.140
I was going to.
2772
02:12:53.020 --> 02:12:55.159
Go to the performance on Sunday. I decided to put
2773
02:12:55.189 --> 02:12:55.949
on the Pistons hat.
2774
02:12:56.029 --> 02:12:57.010
So there we go.
2775
02:12:57.449 --> 02:12:58.149
I respect that.
2776
02:12:58.430 --> 02:13:01.380
Yeah. Um, But I appreciate it again, everybody hanging out
2777
02:13:01.420 --> 02:13:01.840
with us.
2778
02:13:01.899 --> 02:13:05.729
This is Brian Zolm, JB from Detroit, and we will
2779
02:13:05.750 --> 02:13:07.350
see you next time. Have a great week, everyone.
2780
02:13:07.390 --> 02:13:07.590
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