AEW DYNAMITE POST-SHOW (10/14): Keller & Kline discuss Copeland's retirement announcement, Clockwork Carnage build, FTR-MCMG Best of Five

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week's AEW Dynamite. All right. A number of news items
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coming out of tonight's dynamite. We are live streaming during
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the third hour of the collision portion, as is tradition
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on Wednesday nights. So we're not up too late on
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a on a Wednesday night. And typically, Tony Khan books
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the first two hours with all the really relevant stuff
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and then. Um, there's really not a lot left over
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a little bit more here with the qualifying matches, uh,
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eye on the, uh, on the screen on collision, but
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a number of things to talk about rather than talk
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about an angle related to WrestleDream specifically, I want to cover, uh,
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first Adam Copeland making the announcement that he, uh, will
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retire in 2027 at some point next year. Uh, he'll get,
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you know, uh, John Cena-esque year, hopefully not quite as heavy, uh, Um,
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he's not the star Cena was, but, um, but still
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a big enough name. And he also noted, uh, announced that, uh,
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Christian cage and there's a lot going on. So they
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didn't talk about it the last couple of weeks, but
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he suffered three broken ribs, included one broken three places.
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And that's what made him think about, Oh, and it
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collapsed long too. Don't want to leave that out. That's
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hardly a little, uh, you know, that that's something that's
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significant too. So he said that, uh, it made him
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think about, you know, getting older. He said, he's kind
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of aging out. So there's no shame in that happens
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to everybody. but that made him realize 2027 should be
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his last year and will be, and that he wants
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to win the world title. So, you know, Adam Copeland edge, huge,
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you know, had a huge career with a big gap.
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came back, has had a nice run in AEW. Crowds
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love singing his song. Dennis, what do you think of
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that announcement? Is it drawing undue attention to somebody whose
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better days are behind him and it's going to drag
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AEW down, now having to focus on some guy in
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his 50s retiring? Or is this kind of a cool
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thing that AEW is going to give him a full-fledged
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proper send-off and it could be a fun journey to
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follow him on, especially knowing it's the end of him
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as a wrestler, period. But in a top singles run,
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if they follow up on that comment that he wants
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to be world champion.
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Right. I think I'm kind of in the middle where
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you said John Cena and I, and I always think
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of staying of course, in the way that what they
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did was staying.
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So I'm kind of in the middle. I'm not sure.
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I'm not sure about that.
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If it's kind of interesting that, you know, his friend
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getting hurt, like put the levity of, of what his
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career should be rather than breaking his leg when he
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jumped off the top of a cage, but you know,
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to each his own. But I think it's a, It's
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going to be interesting to see if they actually follow
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up on it or if this is a Jeff Jarrett
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special and we never hear about it again.
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I doubt that.
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I think he'll get a little bit more love than
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Jarrett did. But I think it would be good.
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I don't know.
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AEW seems to know what they do, what they're doing
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when it comes to stuff like this.
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I'm sure he's talked it over with Tony Khan.
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I would assume that they have a year planned out
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or at least six months planned out.
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So I think it could be good.
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Yeah. Yeah. I'm it, this could go either way, you
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know what I mean? And you brought up the Jeff
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Jarrett memory. Um, and you know, that was, you know,
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it was the wrong timing. It felt almost kind of delusional. Um,
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he just isn't the type of wrestler in a W
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as much as he got a lot of TV time
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and there's things he brought to a W ring that
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I think a lot of wrestlers could have learned from,
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but yeah, we didn't, it didn't, it was getting more
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attention and, than it needed. And I think that fans
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were enthusiastic about it. And, you know, to their credit,
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they just kind of, I don't know how it came about,
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but they kind of realized that and moved away from
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it being too big of a deal. But as far
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as Copeland goes, I thought it was a heartfelt promo.
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You know, there is something about Copeland when he talks
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to the fans. Sometimes it can be a little much.
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It's sort of like for your consideration for the Emmys
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is sometimes how his promos come across. when, you know,
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it's like, this is, this is, and the thing, the
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reason I bring that up, I don't know how, yeah,
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it's like, that used to be a thing where actors
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would want a scene in a TV show. There'd be
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a special episode and you would, and as a viewer
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or as a TV critic, you'd be like, ah, this
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is the one the actor wanted so that they could
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submit that clip to people who don't watch the TV show,
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but decide who gets an Emmy. And this is their
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big moment where they're crying or they're freaking out or whatever.
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Edge just, Copeland just did that like two out of
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three promos. It felt like some, for some stretches of time.
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This was where that tendency to go that direction actually
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worked because he was talking about a big deal. His buddy,
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it's been a heavy two weeks. His buddy, Christian Cage,
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out with an injury and he's announcing his retirement. I
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thought he hit the right tone and he's still been
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good enough in the ring and the crowds are into him,
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you know, singing a song and stuff. So I'm on
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the optimistic side and I think it's better than just
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kind of like floating and meandering at this stage of
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his career. You know, you want to have a sense
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of purpose, an end point. And then, you know, there
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will be a, you know, people trying to get in
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the way and stop that from happening. So it is
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a story where it's not just like, OK, there's an
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end date. People are going to try to end his
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career early also. So all in all, yeah, I thought
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it worked. And I think that Don Callis was a
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good person to play off of him with his army
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of people who might try to stop him first.
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Of course, of course.
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And then I think the fact that we did the
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tag teams, everything is out of the way with that.
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They got the dream match with the Bucks and FTR
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and all of that. I feel it is, and he
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wants to do the single stuff. He didn't, you know,
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it felt like he didn't, he was not forced into
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doing the tag stuff, but it definitely worked like that.
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He did the tag stuff for a little while. And
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I think, that they you know i think again i
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really think that this is going to be something that
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they plot out that they do a really really good
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job it's going to be who who is the bumps
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along the way who's the ones that are trying to
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stop him from getting there and um yeah i think
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it's going to be good but i hope it's optimistically
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good so yeah.
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Yeah yeah uh derek mitchell in the chat says thanks
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dennis i was thinking the same thing with jeff jarrett
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uh yeah and uh gilbert just says i feel Gilbert
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Arbala says, I felt terrible for Cage. And I'm like,
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what happened to Brian Cage? Did he get hurt again?
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And that's why I don't like... Call him Christian. Nobody
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thinks of Christian as Cage. Don't mean to be down
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on you, Gilbert, but there's just too many people walking
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around with the same last names. Unless we're going to
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start calling Brian Cage Machine or something. I spent like
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a minute going, did Brian Cage get injured and I
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missed it? It's like, no, he's Christian. Everybody knows him
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as Christian. So anyway, my little sidebar. rant over. This
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is where I agree with Vince McMahon. There's just too
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many people hanging out with the same last names in AEW.
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And first names. It used to be Page, Cage, all
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of everything. They rhymed.
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Adam Cole, Adam Page, yeah.
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Adam Copeland?
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Yeah.
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Alright.
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Alright. So, yeah, I feel bad for Cajun. By the way,
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speaking of Christian, I am expecting him when he comes back.
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He'll be broken. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Just sucks.
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No, totally. When he comes back, I'm kind of looking
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forward to whether he goes, oh, I wanted to retire
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in 2020. Now you're stealing my thing. I don't know.
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I think he'll have fun with this because one of
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the good things I thought, one of the good aspects
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of Christian's time turning baby face in essence is he
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didn't drop everything that made him so entertaining as a
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heel before the turn. And so I could see him in,
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in a, either a, uh, a playful way or a
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more serious way. You know, I, I would expect there
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to be one more, um, one more. match between them
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feud between them.
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Definitely i mean definitely yeah definitely definitely yeah yeah it
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has to it has to i mean it doesn't have
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to be a rebel or anything like that but it
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has to happen i think on the way out maybe
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that's the last match before his world title title shot
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something like that yeah i just think it it has
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to be yeah it writes itself so.
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Yeah there's a lot of ways i can play that
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we'll see how it goes but i'm with you that
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they kind of did what they needed to do with
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the tag team division so it's time yeah all right
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well let's let's pause introduce ourselves quickly here and then
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dennis klein is my co-host tonight dennis welcome to the
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co-host chair when i host chair usually we don't get
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to see the chair everyone gets to see the chair
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when you're on.
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Yeah yeah definitely the chair and then the tarot card
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it's uh it's it's the lover's tarot card i asked
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the last the one time you asked about it and
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my wife was like if you should know what this
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is and i'm like okay i will remember next time
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yeah that's awesome so yeah good times.
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And it your, your t-shirt blends in with the chair.
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So you just kind of look like a big blob
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with a floating head, which is kind of, kind of fun. Yeah.
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So you can't see that. You can't see the purple
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Ravens written across my chest, you know?
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I can, I can see that part. Yeah.
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Let's go Ravens.
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What's their, what's their record.
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I believe four and one.
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That's good.
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It's not, it's not, it's not as good as the
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other purple NFL team.
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It's not, it's not enough, but it's okay.
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Yeah. That's good though.
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All right. No, no. Ravens are almost always really good.
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Yeah, we're spoiled with the Ravens, and we're a football
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town with a baseball problem.
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So the Orioles are just, yeah, the Orioles.
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Yeah, yeah. All right.
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Well, as I said, we're live as we kind of
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keep an eye on collision. We've got Ricochet hitting some
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nice moves here in the ring in the background, which
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is typical what you expect. So we'll kind of keep
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an eye on the results of that. Joshua White is
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covering the show at PW Torch, our website, the written report.
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I covered the first two hours, so you can see
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what I had to say about Dynamite or catch up
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on what happened, if you missed it, at PW Torch,
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the two-hour Dynamite portion and then the one-hour Collision portion,
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which Joshua White's updating right now. If you're joining us
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can find it in the aforementioned TV report covering Dynamite.
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All right.
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Oh, Dennis, tell people about your contributions to PWTorch. Oh, yeah.
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Okay.
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Yeah, no, I read the Rising and Fading Stars column
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on PWTorch.com. Yeah, just goes over some fun stuff with
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who I think is doing well on television, who I
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think is not doing well. Sometimes it can be what's
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going on on television. Sometimes it can just be kind
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of bad luck. Like who's on my Fading Stars this
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week is poor Jay White, who's injured yet again.
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I don't know, man.
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I just, maybe he, I don't know. Sometimes players have
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to leave teams. to become, you know, and then to
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get better. And maybe he needs to leave AEW. And,
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you know, I would love for him to be healthy
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in AEW, but there's something up that he cannot get
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healthy and stay healthy. I don't think it was like
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this when he was in New Japan. It doesn't feel
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like it was. So, yeah, it's very strange. But, yeah,
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there was one thing I wanted to tell you about
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off the beaten path thing that I found. Did you
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hear about Baron Ron Rasky wrestling this past weekend?
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No.
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So... He was at some, like it was called a
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wrestling company called Dreamwave. They had him there for autograph signings,
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and then they ran some sort of like gauntlet match,
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and they had him come in at number 10, and
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he put the claw on somebody and then eliminated two
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people in one. So, yeah. I thought that was pretty
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interesting because 86, I mean, he was from the AWA days, right?
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I believe.
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He wrestled. He defeated Big John Studd in a Loser
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Leaves Town match on the first wrestling event I ever attended.
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in 1981 and uh what he was one of my
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earliest memories in the late late 70s when i first
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as a little kid started watching he scared me his
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promos were like immersive and believable and uh i have
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a faint recollection of him leaving for a while and
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then i think mad dog with sean got injured and
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then baron came back and said mad dog called me
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and asked me to come back or you know brought
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me back to fill in for him and and uh
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and oh i was just spooked as a kid and
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so I wish when I met him, he was more delightful.
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He was not, not the most pleasant person to meet. Uh, um,
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like 10 years ago at some of the wrestling conventions
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I was at, um, seemed a little old school or cold.
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And I I've been warned about that. It doesn't mean
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he's not nice to his people. He people, he likes
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friends and family, but, um, a little bit, uh, yeah,
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a little bit cold, but it doesn't matter. I mean,
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he was, uh, amazing to watch as a kid. And yeah,
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that went after he beat big John stud back in
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those days, you could like run. There weren't like, um,
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barricades where the wrestlers came through. The AWA wrestlers were
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just wild and proud. And so I ran up to
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Big John Studd and he was sobbing. He was sobbing
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because he lost in the Leaf Town. And that's when
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I believed all the guys at my mom's work who
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were telling her that wrestling was fake. They couldn't be
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because John Studd wouldn't be crying if it was fake.
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He was really sad he lost. Of course, of course. Yeah,
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so it was fun to wipe away the skepticism. But yeah,
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Baron was a real mainstay in my early AWA years.
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That's what I thought. And it wasn't for his first
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match in 30 years.
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So he hasn't done anything like in the ring since 96,
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which he was, he would have been what?
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56 at that point.
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So, yeah. Uh, yeah, he was, he was, he still
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looks 56. He looked 56 in 1981 when he was like,
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you know, 30. Um, he always, he always joke about it.
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He just perpet, he forever 56 actually. I, yeah, maybe
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forever 59. I don't know. Um, yeah, he always, I mean,
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I mean, something about him.
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Yeah. There were, they, uh, Wrestling figures became a thing
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when I was a kid a lot. So, you know,
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I grew up with the big rubber ones.
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But I also.
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Remember getting a set of the AWA ones at, like,
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a yard sale when I was a kid. So I
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had a Baron Von Raschke, like, you know, in his hand.
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Everyone else's hands were, like, straight out. And his was
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in the claw, of course. You know, so it was
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pretty cool. It was pretty neat looking.
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Yeah.
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Awesome. It was fun.
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Yeah. All right. Good memories.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Awesome. That's fun. I'm surprised I didn't hear about that.
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Okay.
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Let's see. Topic number two, we are going to get
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a best of five series with FDR in the Motor
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City Machine Guns, which I'm there for that.
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Absolutely.
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I hope when the Machine Guns came out. Oh, by
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the way, the Machine Brian Cage and the Machine Guns.
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We just can't win, can we?
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No.
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Yes. So, yeah, the Machine Guns came out to like
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what seemed like no reaction from the crowd.
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Right, right.
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And so they got to do something to build them
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up a little bit if they're going to make a
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big deal out of this. So that bummed me out.
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I think I probably bummed out Saban and Shelly, too,
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that they didn't get a little bit better of a reaction.
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That said, I'm stoked for the idea of FTR and
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the Guns having a best-of-five series starting at WrestleDream. Sean
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Radican texted me, PLU Torch columnist. He said, Wade, Tony
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doesn't usually do those things where he teases a match
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and then doesn't do it, where the crowd gets upset.
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And I just replied, well, it is Cleveland. Oof. Yeah.
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I mean, you stole their football team.
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So, well, Hey, Hey, you know, ours was stolen though, too.
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And it's sort of, sort of, you know, the Mayflower
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trucks arriving out in the middle of the night. I
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don't know if you know that story about the.
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Colts from here.
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Like it's like whenever we see Mayflower moving trucks, like
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anyone that knows about that is, is scarred because all
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it was was Mayflower trucks.
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They, they, they left in the middle of the night.
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When the Colts left. I remember that. I remember that
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as a kid.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So, um, but, oh yeah.
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Nick Wayne is cutting a pro in the middle of
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the ring right now.
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Yeah.
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A great, a great young punk.
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He is, he is dapper. He is dapper.
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Yeah, no, he's yeah. It's great.
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I really hope that this feud continues to go his
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way that he's doing with Jericho.
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With Jericho. I want him to... I'm looking forward to
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watching this when we're not live streaming. But I want
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him to tone down the facial expressions a bit because
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he has a real natural heel demeanor that I think
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can really get heat for years to come for as
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long as he's a heel. And I know not everybody
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is thrilled with Jericho feuding with him. Zach Barber in
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the chat says, as usual, Chris Jericho can't put over
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the young guy and go away.
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Well, not yet. Not yet.
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Got to give it time. I think it's going to
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go this way. I thought that the first match, I
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was mad. I was pretty mad about that in the
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first match. And then You know, the second one, he
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got him. And I think now the third one, he
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can beat him clean, right? That's the hope. Unless Jericho
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is going to go full on and become what he hated,
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you know, going on in WCW 30 years ago. When
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the older guys wouldn't let him go up. Like, is
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he really going to become that guy?
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So, I don't know. Possibly. Possibly.
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from our ad-free VIP mobile site. See you in the Paradise!
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Yeah, I can't mention Nick Wayne's current character without talking
481
00:22:06.029 --> 00:22:09.289
about 1-2-3 Kid, the Lightning Kid. Oh, absolutely. In Global Wrestling.
482
00:22:09.369 --> 00:22:16.740
He was so... They're so similar in many ways. Yeah,
483
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I agree.
484
00:22:17.539 --> 00:22:19.720
We were talking about FTR and Minister of Machine Guns.
485
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That's right.
486
00:22:20.740 --> 00:22:23.430
I'm very glad that they're doing it, but....
487
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I thought it was also where they did a couple
488
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of WWE type things tonight with, with, uh, with, with
489
00:22:30.289 --> 00:22:31.690
the pulling the mat, like saying we're going to do
490
00:22:31.710 --> 00:22:34.269
the match and then not doing the match. And then, um,
491
00:22:35.349 --> 00:22:38.309
Davis pinning mocks is very, you know, right before the
492
00:22:38.349 --> 00:22:40.069
pay-per-view when they have a match is pretty much the,
493
00:22:40.190 --> 00:22:42.549
like a WWE formula prior to the, to pay-per-views or
494
00:22:42.630 --> 00:22:43.029
used to be.
495
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So, yeah.
496
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Um, but I do, I do think that this is,
497
00:22:47.109 --> 00:22:49.789
this is going to finally, finally set a murder city
498
00:22:49.829 --> 00:22:51.109
machine guns up to, to do something.
499
00:22:51.150 --> 00:22:53.089
I actually wrote that down that they finally have something
500
00:22:53.130 --> 00:22:53.349
to do.
501
00:22:53.940 --> 00:22:56.089
But I think that they were when they got signed,
502
00:22:56.190 --> 00:22:57.650
they got signed at a weird time and they shouldn't
503
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have debuted when they did because they were their band
504
00:22:59.730 --> 00:23:01.309
was on tour at the time.
505
00:23:01.410 --> 00:23:03.920
So it was weird. It was weird when they signed.
506
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Them and then they put them right on television and
507
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then they took them away for what, two months.
508
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And now they're finally back. But I think it's good.
509
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Yeah.
510
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Yeah. I have mixed feeling. I think the guns shouldn't
511
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have been. they should have saved them to debut in
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AW for when, like this moment, I would just have
513
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them come out here. I think they would have gotten
514
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a pop, but to have them come back and then
515
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just sort of be put on the shelf. It's like
516
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they got sent down to the minors or scratched. If
517
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you're using NHL comments, like, Oh, they're not, you know,
518
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they had other things they want to get done. The
519
00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:36.329
TLC match among them at which Adam Copeland called it
520
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a tables, ladders, shares match. And then I'm sure the
521
00:23:38.250 --> 00:23:42.990
legal team's already like, Oh no. So I wish they
522
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had waited to introduce them. So they had a moment
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that was, to themselves and people would be like, you know,
524
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it would have been, oh my God, this is awesome, whatever.
525
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And instead it's kind of like they came around and
526
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weren't around and it made it seem, it diminished them.
527
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I think it defined them down a bit and took
528
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away some of the impact that they could have had.
529
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So anyway, I mean, there wasn't, this seemed to be
530
00:24:02.349 --> 00:24:03.490
a master plan for them at the beginning.
531
00:24:04.369 --> 00:24:05.710
No, no, they debuted them on Collision.
532
00:24:05.750 --> 00:24:07.410
So I mean, really all it was is they happened
533
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to be in Detroit. They were in Detroit that weekend.
534
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And I think that that was what they did it for.
535
00:24:11.950 --> 00:24:13.990
And then they went away and then they came back.
536
00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:17.619
When was that? I can't remember. There was like a
537
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promo or something that they came back for. Oh, it
538
00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:23.339
was at All In is when they came back out
539
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and they walked down the ramp. And then we haven't
540
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seen them since then either, I don't think. So just weird.
541
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Just weird start to it. But I think that these
542
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matches could be great.
543
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I think they are likely to be great unless, you know,
544
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if all four guys are on their game and not
545
00:24:41.250 --> 00:24:43.089
aging out, as Adam Copeland said, and I haven't seen
546
00:24:43.130 --> 00:24:46.430
signs of that. It should be really good. Derek Mitchell
547
00:24:47.859 --> 00:24:50.039
comments in the chat, I don't mind FTR versus most
548
00:24:50.059 --> 00:24:52.880
city machine guns, but they continue the trend of non-reactions
549
00:24:52.900 --> 00:24:55.200
from the crowd. Saban saying, AW is the best tag
550
00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:57.740
division ever. Well, I know he's selling the division, but
551
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I don't think so. Is the division strong enough right
552
00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:04.809
now to say that? Young Bucks, Copeland and Christian, FTR,
553
00:25:06.029 --> 00:25:10.309
the most city machine guns. I mean, there is depth, right?
554
00:25:11.630 --> 00:25:13.829
Thank you. Yes, for sure. The new level. There is
555
00:25:13.990 --> 00:25:17.029
depth and right now novelty, especially because of new level
556
00:25:17.069 --> 00:25:19.940
being added and the guns also to a certain extent.
557
00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:24.220
So does that sound like, come on, you're losing credibility
558
00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:26.059
when you say that? Or do you look around at
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00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:30.950
new level bucks, FTR, et cetera, and go, no, this works.
560
00:25:31.369 --> 00:25:33.289
Brody King and Bondino too.
561
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Yeah.
562
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Has there ever been this well-established?
563
00:25:39.150 --> 00:25:43.559
I know everyone is at the 80s, the hearken back
564
00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:45.660
to the 80s in WWF or what's going on in
565
00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:49.460
NWA or Mid-South as the greatest of all time. But
566
00:25:49.509 --> 00:25:54.319
for decorated tag teams, it might not be hyperbole. with
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the top teams that they have. What they don't have
568
00:25:57.119 --> 00:25:59.869
is they don't have the up-and-coming teams yet. They haven't
569
00:26:00.150 --> 00:26:02.789
established any ones that are the younger teams, which they
570
00:26:02.809 --> 00:26:04.230
should be doing with the guns.
571
00:26:05.250 --> 00:26:07.369
That's the first one that I think of. But I
572
00:26:07.410 --> 00:26:08.589
do think it's not hyperbole.
573
00:26:08.630 --> 00:26:12.099
I think it is definitely up there. If it's not
574
00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:16.000
the best ever, I think it's top three, top five.
575
00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:19.960
My inclination is it's subjective, but it's not outlandish to
576
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say it.
577
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I mean, this is.
578
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A good lineup of teams. And, you know, they could
579
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:27.279
heat up some more homegrown teams too if they wanted
580
00:26:27.299 --> 00:26:31.339
to and crowd things a bit even more. Although Max
581
00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:33.299
Caster isn't around anymore.
582
00:26:34.460 --> 00:26:37.180
And then did you hear what he did? He said
583
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:38.440
some lines at TNA.
584
00:26:39.529 --> 00:26:40.220
Yep. Yep.
585
00:26:40.849 --> 00:26:43.910
Yeah. Rich Fan and I talked about that on the
586
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flagship yesterday. And it's just, I mean, the guy just
587
00:26:46.809 --> 00:26:49.309
can't help. There just comes a point where it's like,
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do you want a career? Like, he has, I don't know.
589
00:26:52.250 --> 00:26:53.849
I talked about the relationship, but he has, he always
590
00:26:53.869 --> 00:26:55.930
had talent. He didn't need to go to those places,
591
00:26:55.950 --> 00:26:58.309
but he just didn't, didn't seem to have a filter.
592
00:26:58.569 --> 00:27:00.829
Didn't kind of was kind of a quirky personality and,
593
00:27:01.529 --> 00:27:04.029
and you give him the freedom on the mic and he's,
594
00:27:04.329 --> 00:27:07.150
you know, stepped in it a few times. So he apologized,
595
00:27:07.190 --> 00:27:09.099
but yeah.
596
00:27:09.130 --> 00:27:09.410
All right.
597
00:27:09.430 --> 00:27:12.400
Yeah. It was bad. It was, it wasn't, it just
598
00:27:12.420 --> 00:27:13.700
wasn't good. It's he's yeah.
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00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:15.059
You give him a live, but I guess that's what
600
00:27:15.099 --> 00:27:16.559
you get when you start, when you sign him, a
601
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:17.599
W stop.
602
00:27:17.420 --> 00:27:19.420
Giving him a live mic for a reason.
603
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:21.789
Yes. So, you know, I know.
604
00:27:21.849 --> 00:27:22.029
Yeah.
605
00:27:23.549 --> 00:27:26.049
All right. Uh, so yeah. Thumbs up to that. Look
606
00:27:26.069 --> 00:27:27.970
forward to that. I think it's a good fresh matchup
607
00:27:27.990 --> 00:27:29.490
for FTR. I thought Dax was good on the mic.
608
00:27:29.549 --> 00:27:32.329
I thought Stokely was good on the mic. Um, Saban
609
00:27:32.369 --> 00:27:33.930
and Shelley were Saban and Shelley. It's always something to
610
00:27:33.950 --> 00:27:35.700
hold them back a little bit. Uh, but of course
611
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:37.339
they were okay. You know, they were okay.
612
00:27:38.220 --> 00:27:38.500
All right.
613
00:27:38.700 --> 00:27:43.819
So, um, we got a video package explaining the rules to, uh,
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00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:50.900
clockwork carnage and, um, uh, So it's two segments, the
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00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:55.440
gauntlet portion, and then an Ironman portion where we keep score.
616
00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:58.079
I would have stopped there with the winner gets something.
617
00:27:58.500 --> 00:28:01.640
But instead, they added this element of when the champions,
618
00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:04.079
the closing lines for Renee are a champion can lose
619
00:28:04.099 --> 00:28:09.579
their title without losing the match, and the champion can
620
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:14.359
win without getting pinned. It was just a little too
621
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:17.500
much at the end, and I didn't think as clear
622
00:28:17.579 --> 00:28:20.809
as it needed to be. How do you feel about
623
00:28:20.829 --> 00:28:22.890
the format in general? And then how do you feel
624
00:28:22.910 --> 00:28:24.849
about that closing line? And the champ can lose the
625
00:28:24.869 --> 00:28:27.660
title without getting pinned after noting you can beat a
626
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:29.119
champion without winning the match.
627
00:28:31.339 --> 00:28:31.980
Yeah, yeah.
628
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:34.720
So, I mean, I think it's a little convoluted at
629
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:36.819
the line. I understand what they were trying to say.
630
00:28:36.859 --> 00:28:38.759
They were trying to say that you can pin the
631
00:28:38.779 --> 00:28:41.049
champ during the match and he can lose, you know,
632
00:28:41.380 --> 00:28:44.069
but you're not going to win the title. And then, yeah,
633
00:28:44.349 --> 00:28:46.490
it was too convoluted. But I do get the gist
634
00:28:46.529 --> 00:28:49.829
of the match now. I feel like it, I don't know,
635
00:28:49.869 --> 00:28:52.230
it seems a bit much. It seems like it's a
636
00:28:52.250 --> 00:28:57.069
little overkill. I understand what they're going for, but why
637
00:28:57.109 --> 00:28:59.230
couldn't it just be an elimination match, like in the
638
00:28:59.230 --> 00:28:59.829
15 minutes?
639
00:29:00.349 --> 00:29:02.349
You know, you could figure out. Rich and I were
640
00:29:02.369 --> 00:29:04.720
trying to figure out Rich fan, I were trying to
641
00:29:04.740 --> 00:29:06.480
figure out like the champion thing that Tony Khan put
642
00:29:06.500 --> 00:29:09.480
on social media and explained. I'm still honestly not sure.
643
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:10.660
I get it.
644
00:29:10.940 --> 00:29:11.200
I don't.
645
00:29:11.500 --> 00:29:13.440
I mean, like, because the line is you can beat
646
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:18.359
a champion without winning the match. And then the title
647
00:29:18.380 --> 00:29:20.490
without getting pinned. How does the champ lose the title
648
00:29:20.509 --> 00:29:21.170
without getting pinned?
649
00:29:22.390 --> 00:29:27.299
Because he's never pinned throughout the whole 15 minutes. So
650
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:29.059
the 59 golden, when you can be paying, yeah.
651
00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:29.809
So he can, yeah.
652
00:29:29.829 --> 00:29:30.930
So he can, he's never lose.
653
00:29:30.769 --> 00:29:32.410
On points, but you're not involved in the, so it's
654
00:29:32.430 --> 00:29:33.970
like a four way or three way.
655
00:29:34.029 --> 00:29:34.589
Yeah.
656
00:29:34.789 --> 00:29:35.170
Yeah.
657
00:29:35.210 --> 00:29:35.750
Yeah. Yeah.
658
00:29:35.970 --> 00:29:37.710
So that's that. But again, we just, we, we had
659
00:29:37.730 --> 00:29:40.859
to figure it out here. And well, and also convoluted.
660
00:29:41.380 --> 00:29:41.630
Yeah.
661
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:43.460
And then she said, you can beat a champion without
662
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:46.420
winning the match. Does that mean you can become champion,
663
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:48.779
but still not have enough points to win the match?
664
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:52.180
No, you can beat, you could pin Will Ospreay only
665
00:29:52.220 --> 00:29:54.039
get one point and someone else gets two points.
666
00:29:54.740 --> 00:29:55.339
They win the match.
667
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:56.099
Yeah.
668
00:29:56.779 --> 00:29:58.380
So you beat Will Ospreay, but you didn't win the match.
669
00:29:58.859 --> 00:30:00.160
What I don't like about that phrasing, and then I'll
670
00:30:00.180 --> 00:30:02.819
move on, is I don't think people are thinking, well,
671
00:30:03.059 --> 00:30:05.500
if you beat a champion, because there's going to be
672
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:08.079
multiple champions in the match, probably in the Ironman portion,
673
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:10.859
if the rules are clear, it's by points. So why
674
00:30:10.900 --> 00:30:12.460
would you say you can beat a champion but not
675
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:16.779
win a match when it's clear? Anybody can beat anybody
676
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:18.660
and get a point. So it made it sound like
677
00:30:18.700 --> 00:30:21.069
you can become a champion in the midst of the
678
00:30:21.089 --> 00:30:25.650
match without actually winning the match that you're in. And
679
00:30:25.690 --> 00:30:29.200
that's what I think Rich... was confused about that too yesterday.
680
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:32.900
So it's just, I don't, I don't know. I don't
681
00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:34.839
think they needed to say any of that. Honestly, I
682
00:30:34.859 --> 00:30:36.220
think it just made it seem like something else is
683
00:30:36.259 --> 00:30:38.759
going on. Um, and they could have stuck with, I
684
00:30:38.779 --> 00:30:40.420
don't mind the format by the way. Like I don't
685
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:43.119
mind gauntlet. And then if you don't make it, you
686
00:30:43.140 --> 00:30:44.880
don't make it to the next phase and the next
687
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:45.400
phase it's.
688
00:30:45.819 --> 00:30:47.079
I like the beginning for sure.
689
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:47.759
Yeah.
690
00:30:47.779 --> 00:30:49.619
I like the beginning for sure. But I, I would
691
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:53.599
have rather just kept it. I mean, I guess an elimination,
692
00:30:53.619 --> 00:30:53.960
I don't know.
693
00:30:54.079 --> 00:30:54.380
I don't know.
694
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:56.079
There's something I don't like about it, but I can't
695
00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:56.880
figure out what it is.
696
00:30:57.529 --> 00:30:59.769
But I think it'll be an exciting match, though.
697
00:31:00.029 --> 00:31:01.849
I mean, with everybody that's involved.
698
00:31:02.130 --> 00:31:04.829
And I assume at least one's going to get pinned
699
00:31:04.990 --> 00:31:08.390
in that first 24 minutes or 20 minutes or whatever
700
00:31:08.430 --> 00:31:08.670
it is.
701
00:31:09.690 --> 00:31:10.470
Yeah.
702
00:31:10.490 --> 00:31:13.019
Yeah. As well as matches where maybe you don't put
703
00:31:13.059 --> 00:31:14.819
a ton of thought into it. Watch it happen, and
704
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:16.440
then you'll know.
705
00:31:16.460 --> 00:31:16.880
Yeah.
706
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:17.900
And it might be really good.
707
00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:18.779
Yeah.
708
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:19.700
Definitely.
709
00:31:20.660 --> 00:31:22.460
Rude Dog in the chat says, I can't believe WrestleDream
710
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:24.119
is this weekend. That was a very poor buildup, and
711
00:31:24.140 --> 00:31:25.559
I have no idea still what's going on with the
712
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:28.299
format of the championship match. So, No, you're not alone,
713
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:30.940
Rude Dog. By the way, Rich Van and I previewed
714
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.579
the entire lineup on the flagship. That's our blue logo show.
715
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Dropped last night. Encourage everybody to go give that a listen.
716
00:31:37.210 --> 00:31:39.789
We talked a lot about a variety of other topics, too.
717
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Rich loved TNA Bound for Glory, by the way. He
718
00:31:41.950 --> 00:31:43.869
reviewed that near the end of the show. And we
719
00:31:43.890 --> 00:31:46.769
also talked a lot about the 946 and the Bloodline
720
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and Penta. If you discovered us on YouTube, that is
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audio only. It's podcast only. So search Wade Keller. in
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your podcast app of choice, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or whatever
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You gave a shout-out to the 90s PastCast. Do you
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want to give a little plug to that?
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Oh, of course. I love Alex and Patrick.
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I sent them trivia this week, so they'll have my
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trivia to read this week.
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Only a few questions, but Yeah, they're great. And they're
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in such a good time right now. I mean, it's
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30 years ago. It's 96.
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00:32:58.660 --> 00:33:04.029
NWO is three months in. They haven't ruined the NWO
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just yet. It's good times. It's good listening to them
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and listening to what you were talking about back then. And, yeah,
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it's a great show.
746
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It's great. And they get along so well. And I know.
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You've had such good luck just pairing up people and
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then working out really well.
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So, yeah, hopefully– If I get out of wrestling analysis
750
00:33:25.339 --> 00:33:26.839
and reporting, I'll just be a matchmaker.
751
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Yeah.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Not necessarily romantically. Obviously not romantically. Just like friends. You
754
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two should hang out together. You guys would hit it off.
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I know you and I know you, and you two
756
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.279
just wouldn't want to talk every week for a couple hours.
757
00:33:40.339 --> 00:33:42.460
I can think of business as just putting people together
758
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:46.960
for podcasts in all genres. No, honestly, you bring it up.
759
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I don't bring it up. But like most, almost all
760
00:33:49.329 --> 00:33:53.799
the pairs, almost, not all. were me going, hmm, I
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00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:55.740
know what you're interested in. I know what your interest is.
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I know your personalities well enough. And I know we
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want to have a show covering this theme. And then
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I pitch them to each other. And they end up
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hitting it off and becoming really good friends. Mike and
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Andrew back in the day. It's just like on and on. So, yeah,
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I take pride in that. It's fun.
768
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Yeah, Tyler and Zach. Yeah.
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Yes.
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So, yeah, it's a whole bunch of people. So, for sure, man.
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Yeah.
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Been going on.
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A long time.
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All right. I cannot take credit for Wrestling Coast to
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Coast because Chris and Justin have known each other for decades. Yes.
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The Wrestling Coast to Coast covering the indie scene. Anyway, yeah,
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throughout the week every week. All right. So back to WrestleDream.
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Do you think... This match is more intriguing than it
799
00:35:47.469 --> 00:35:49.150
is confusing to the fan base at the moment.
800
00:35:50.269 --> 00:35:53.090
Um, I, yeah, I think so.
801
00:35:53.130 --> 00:35:55.210
I think that the, there's enough stars in it that, that,
802
00:35:55.269 --> 00:35:57.610
that it's going to be intriguing. And, um, I, I,
803
00:35:57.730 --> 00:36:00.800
I guess adding Darby, you know, what will it will,
804
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:02.239
will make me more intrigued. Cause you know, I'm a
805
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:04.559
huge Darby fan, but, uh, I don't know if it'll
806
00:36:04.579 --> 00:36:07.460
make others intrigued, but I think that just who is involved, like, uh,
807
00:36:07.539 --> 00:36:08.199
cause just.
808
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:12.940
Is it having Okada having to catch, uh, having Will Ospreay.
809
00:36:12.980 --> 00:36:16.929
Obviously, um, like it, it just, it just brings it
810
00:36:16.989 --> 00:36:18.699
like an international flavor to the whole thing.
811
00:36:18.780 --> 00:36:21.460
And I think that that's good. And I don't know,
812
00:36:21.500 --> 00:36:22.820
it's just, it's, it's going to be, it's going to
813
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:24.280
be good. I think, I don't know.
814
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:24.719
I don't know.
815
00:36:24.820 --> 00:36:27.780
It's just, it's a, it's an interesting match and there's,
816
00:36:28.219 --> 00:36:29.679
there is a lot of star power in it. And
817
00:36:29.699 --> 00:36:32.300
I think that it gives a lot of things to
818
00:36:32.340 --> 00:36:34.019
do this pay-per-view. So, yeah.
819
00:36:35.099 --> 00:36:39.699
I was not a fan of the Will Osprey, uh, speedball,
820
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:41.409
Mike Bailey, Andrade.
821
00:36:41.550 --> 00:36:41.809
Yeah.
822
00:36:41.829 --> 00:36:45.800
The, you know, the, the, us united empire i i
823
00:36:45.820 --> 00:36:50.880
mean speedball is you know i think um adorably dorky
824
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:53.119
uh you know they're like it's just he leans into
825
00:36:53.179 --> 00:36:55.940
it it's fine i mean he's like he's a guy
826
00:36:55.980 --> 00:36:58.400
if he came to his house um he'd welcome you
827
00:36:58.460 --> 00:36:59.820
in take him to the basement and show you all
828
00:36:59.860 --> 00:37:01.940
his karate trophies and then he'd you know make you
829
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:04.260
for you kool-aid or you know a glass of milk
830
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:06.099
or something i mean just like he just you know
831
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:07.440
it's just and that's fine there's room for all kinds
832
00:37:07.460 --> 00:37:08.519
of people and he backs it up in the ring
833
00:37:08.579 --> 00:37:10.599
and he met his his personality matches the character he
834
00:37:10.619 --> 00:37:13.860
plays and the whole karate thing um yeah Will Ospreay
835
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:18.960
is a bit of a goof. But I don't think
836
00:37:19.019 --> 00:37:21.820
steering into that is going to help Will Ospreay become
837
00:37:22.260 --> 00:37:25.760
a top draw. The cool factor in that segment was
838
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.010
lower than it ought to be. And I also just
839
00:37:28.090 --> 00:37:31.269
add to it, Andrade is leaning too much into that catchphrase.
840
00:37:31.309 --> 00:37:34.969
He's too delighted with himself when he says that, and
841
00:37:35.010 --> 00:37:38.190
they're leaning on it so hard. He needs to have
842
00:37:38.989 --> 00:37:43.030
more of an edge to... his persona and he's losing
843
00:37:43.130 --> 00:37:45.750
it because of this gig, which, and then in the
844
00:37:45.829 --> 00:37:48.210
match Ospreay, you know, Andrade did it again. And Giovanni goes,
845
00:37:48.230 --> 00:37:50.250
he just can't help himself. He's always got to take
846
00:37:50.289 --> 00:37:52.550
a selfie. And then Will Ospreay is to kind of
847
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.519
ham it up like DX bad dad joke era of
848
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:58.179
Triple H and Shawn Michaels, where it's just like zany
849
00:37:58.219 --> 00:38:01.440
humor and facial expressions. And I just, I don't think it's,
850
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:02.760
I don't think it's good for Andrade. And I don't
851
00:38:02.780 --> 00:38:05.619
think it's good for Ospreay. I don't mind Ospreay playing
852
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:09.610
off of speedball. If he's the straight, like the, the
853
00:38:10.010 --> 00:38:14.429
cool guy, uh, with this kind of quirky but nice guy. Like,
854
00:38:14.469 --> 00:38:16.190
I don't mind Ospreay coming across as nice, but I
855
00:38:16.190 --> 00:38:18.699
don't want him to, like, play into it where he's
856
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:21.860
doing the same thing. And I thought even his promo
857
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:27.500
felt a little... I don't know, scripted and corny. So yeah, I,
858
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.090
you've not, what do you think? Yeah.
859
00:38:30.130 --> 00:38:30.929
No, I would, I would agree.
860
00:38:31.090 --> 00:38:31.190
Yeah.
861
00:38:31.210 --> 00:38:32.050
I would agree with all of that.
862
00:38:32.090 --> 00:38:33.750
Like there's not much to add to that because it,
863
00:38:34.250 --> 00:38:37.070
it all is, is, is, is beneath him right now.
864
00:38:37.130 --> 00:38:39.130
Like he need, he can't be doing that, especially it
865
00:38:39.309 --> 00:38:41.289
is such a one 80 from everything with the death
866
00:38:41.329 --> 00:38:42.800
writers just three months ago.
867
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:44.280
It does.
868
00:38:44.300 --> 00:38:45.800
It doesn't work. It doesn't make him more of a
869
00:38:45.820 --> 00:38:47.079
star and being goofy.
870
00:38:47.460 --> 00:38:49.800
Like, again, I agree playing off speedball is one thing,
871
00:38:50.250 --> 00:38:52.670
but the thing in the match was just too much.
872
00:38:52.949 --> 00:38:55.130
Not to mention, like, you had this United Empire, and
873
00:38:55.210 --> 00:38:59.889
Andrade's carrying around this shot at Will Ospreay's title. Like, it's,
874
00:39:00.289 --> 00:39:02.250
and they're not even, they're not even mentioning it together.
875
00:39:02.329 --> 00:39:04.170
It's just kind of like there, and it's kind of,
876
00:39:04.210 --> 00:39:06.760
it's a little, that's also a little strange. So, no,
877
00:39:07.070 --> 00:39:08.679
I didn't like, I didn't like any of that, and
878
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:10.820
I'm not a big fan of the Brawling Birds, so
879
00:39:10.980 --> 00:39:12.900
adding them to the whole mix is just, all of
880
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:16.099
it is, all of it is just, yeah, not a
881
00:39:16.099 --> 00:39:17.440
big fan. Yeah. Yep.
882
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:23.809
So we've got Osprey, Speedball, and then Adam Copeland qualified tonight,
883
00:39:23.849 --> 00:39:27.469
Tecesta qualified, Okada qualified, Ricochet qualified since we've been on
884
00:39:27.489 --> 00:39:30.269
the air, and Samoa Joe too. and then we've got
885
00:39:30.349 --> 00:39:34.389
the likely and then the likely Derby qualification coming up
886
00:39:35.019 --> 00:39:41.219
in the main event so yeah it's an eclectic mix
887
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:44.039
and I don't really have any predictions for what happens
888
00:39:44.059 --> 00:39:49.239
because it feels very you know almost random draw.
889
00:39:50.019 --> 00:39:52.440
Yeah, I think part of the issue is that I
890
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.579
felt this coming out of All In and into All Out.
891
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:57.059
All Out was the first pay-per-view that I really, like,
892
00:39:57.579 --> 00:39:59.280
if we were doing thumbs up, thumbs down, would have
893
00:39:59.300 --> 00:40:03.900
been kind of in the middle. Potentially thumbs up. It
894
00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:07.590
felt that there's too many pay-per-views right now. It feels
895
00:40:07.630 --> 00:40:10.269
the turnaround for this pay-per-view is really quick, on top
896
00:40:10.329 --> 00:40:12.929
of the fact that, you know, that stuff with Pac happened.
897
00:40:13.489 --> 00:40:15.130
So there wasn't really, you know, that was just a
898
00:40:15.150 --> 00:40:18.550
tribute show. And then there was the, you know, I
899
00:40:18.570 --> 00:40:19.510
feel like, what was the next week?
900
00:40:20.070 --> 00:40:22.440
I know last, last week was, was the, the, basically
901
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:24.559
it's a mini pay-per-view, but they're also, they also feel
902
00:40:24.579 --> 00:40:27.199
like house shows when they do the, um, what are
903
00:40:27.219 --> 00:40:27.579
they called?
904
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:28.519
Oh my goodness.
905
00:40:28.820 --> 00:40:31.440
It's living. Oh, grand slam. The grand slam ones. Yeah.
906
00:40:31.539 --> 00:40:31.679
Yeah.
907
00:40:31.699 --> 00:40:33.539
They're, they're, they're like many, they call them any pay
908
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:35.119
reviews or that's what people seem to think they are.
909
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:37.489
And they, they're more like house shows to me. Like
910
00:40:37.510 --> 00:40:39.789
that's what the setup even looks like more like a
911
00:40:39.809 --> 00:40:40.539
house show set up.
912
00:40:41.010 --> 00:40:43.289
So they didn't build up this show at all. It just.
913
00:40:43.739 --> 00:40:46.159
This pay-per-view has come on really fast. And I think
914
00:40:46.179 --> 00:40:48.780
that the whole match is suffering from that as well.
915
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:51.019
That it just kind of had to come on really quickly.
916
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:53.940
And even all the qualifying matches are happening tonight.
917
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:55.480
So you don't even know who's really in the match.
918
00:40:55.500 --> 00:40:59.010
How can you really build a match? So, yeah.
919
00:40:59.619 --> 00:41:03.050
Yeah, I was going to lead in Block A, not
920
00:41:03.070 --> 00:41:05.210
talking about Copeland, but about how it would have been
921
00:41:05.250 --> 00:41:06.730
good if there was one more week. Because we could
922
00:41:06.750 --> 00:41:08.389
have all the qualifying matches, and then you have the
923
00:41:08.449 --> 00:41:13.000
following week to... like play up, have it sink in
924
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:15.000
with viewers, have them spend a week and a half
925
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:18.449
thinking about it a week before the wrestlers talk about it.
926
00:41:18.820 --> 00:41:21.719
You can have people who are aligned kind of talking
927
00:41:21.739 --> 00:41:25.739
about each and kind of like have a natural sense of,
928
00:41:25.889 --> 00:41:28.909
of rivalry between people who are, who are otherwise aligned and,
929
00:41:29.050 --> 00:41:30.610
and drill home the rules a little bit more too.
930
00:41:31.030 --> 00:41:32.969
I don't want to be too critical of them though,
931
00:41:33.309 --> 00:41:37.110
because I do think part of the issue is the
932
00:41:37.150 --> 00:41:41.320
timing where they had the show dedicated to, um to
933
00:41:41.420 --> 00:41:43.940
to pock and then they had the the you know
934
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:47.519
big kind of house show-esque show on a tuesday where
935
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:50.409
you just we had a story i had the rating
936
00:41:50.449 --> 00:41:53.630
story up on pwtorch.com um you know talking about the
937
00:41:53.690 --> 00:41:56.190
massive drop-off it's four i think four hundred some thousand
938
00:41:56.210 --> 00:41:58.730
viewers i can't remember the exact number uh because of
939
00:41:58.789 --> 00:42:00.530
it airing on a tuesday and then they didn't promote
940
00:42:00.550 --> 00:42:02.329
it on the week before because it was dedicated to
941
00:42:02.369 --> 00:42:05.800
pock so it is um it is a bummer but
942
00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:07.019
i guess i give them a little bit of a
943
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:09.500
mulligan In the sense that, you know, some things out
944
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:11.599
of their control happened. Derek Mitchell in the chat said, yeah,
945
00:42:11.619 --> 00:42:12.940
I think it was a short turnaround from All Out
946
00:42:12.980 --> 00:42:15.980
to WrestleDream, especially with the company devoting the show to
947
00:42:16.059 --> 00:42:21.530
honor the late Pac. So, yeah, I mean, but it's
948
00:42:21.570 --> 00:42:22.849
the price, you know, it's a bit of a price
949
00:42:22.869 --> 00:42:26.869
you pay when they're doing essentially monthly pay-per-views now, you know,
950
00:42:26.929 --> 00:42:29.429
where there's less. It used to be a really big
951
00:42:29.449 --> 00:42:31.989
deal when there was an AW pay-per-view. And now it's like, okay,
952
00:42:32.010 --> 00:42:33.349
it's just the thing I do once a month on
953
00:42:33.369 --> 00:42:34.190
a Saturday or Sunday.
954
00:42:35.030 --> 00:42:35.159
Yeah.
955
00:42:35.460 --> 00:42:36.579
And I mean, I think this year they're going to
956
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.050
do 11 and, um, I think that's, that's, that's the
957
00:42:39.070 --> 00:42:41.769
most they've ever done. So it's not actually every, every month.
958
00:42:42.190 --> 00:42:42.650
It was nice.
959
00:42:42.690 --> 00:42:44.309
If you remember at the end of last year, it
960
00:42:44.869 --> 00:42:46.650
was like one in December, but then the next one
961
00:42:46.690 --> 00:42:49.289
wasn't until February, like, and it was near the end
962
00:42:49.329 --> 00:42:50.010
or something like that.
963
00:42:50.050 --> 00:42:51.349
So that was a nice stretch.
964
00:42:51.389 --> 00:42:54.570
This is just a really like from all into here,
965
00:42:54.610 --> 00:42:56.989
it just feels like it has, there should not have
966
00:42:57.010 --> 00:42:59.340
been a pay-per-view in between all in and this pay-per-view
967
00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:01.599
is what it kind of feels like. Cause all, if
968
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:03.440
all in is their big show, their blow off show.
969
00:43:04.260 --> 00:43:06.219
how can you not just build up maybe for at
970
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:10.719
least six weeks? But no, again, but this, the turnaround
971
00:43:10.739 --> 00:43:13.309
between all out in this is, is obviously there was.
972
00:43:13.820 --> 00:43:17.010
Extenuating circumstances that we couldn't, you know, nobody could foresee.
973
00:43:17.030 --> 00:43:18.250
Exactly.
974
00:43:18.570 --> 00:43:18.789
Yeah.
975
00:43:18.969 --> 00:43:19.090
Yeah.
976
00:43:21.699 --> 00:43:24.539
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977
00:43:24.699 --> 00:43:27.280
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00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.900
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979
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:33.559
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00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:36.260
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00:43:36.420 --> 00:43:38.599
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982
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:40.179
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988
00:43:53.630 --> 00:43:58.250
All right. Let's see. I'm going to have to watch
989
00:43:59.050 --> 00:44:02.530
the rest of this on HBO Max because my DVR
990
00:44:03.989 --> 00:44:05.849
stopped recording and I was watching it on like a
991
00:44:05.889 --> 00:44:07.969
two-minute delay on DVR. I'll try to pop it on
992
00:44:08.190 --> 00:44:10.670
and keep it going. Anyway, so another comment here, and
993
00:44:10.690 --> 00:44:12.489
then we got Johnny waiting as a caller. We'll bring
994
00:44:12.510 --> 00:44:15.369
him out of the show in a moment. Derek Mitchell adds,
995
00:44:15.429 --> 00:44:17.110
AW's loading up the card, but I hope they avoid
996
00:44:17.150 --> 00:44:20.190
another bloated show with 13 matches, especially... with a two
997
00:44:20.210 --> 00:44:22.769
out of three falls trails match and the clockwork carnage
998
00:44:22.829 --> 00:44:26.360
match taking up so much space. Um, yeah, right now
999
00:44:26.380 --> 00:44:29.119
we're at nine matches. I don't think they've announced what,
1000
00:44:29.139 --> 00:44:32.599
what do they call their pre-show now? Blast, uh, blast off.
1001
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:33.599
I don't even know.
1002
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:35.340
Yeah. Cause they don't even, they don't even put it on.
1003
00:44:35.460 --> 00:44:38.099
Like it's not on YouTube. Cause there's two different pre-shows now. Right.
1004
00:44:38.139 --> 00:44:40.030
I know it was like the wrestling free show and
1005
00:44:40.050 --> 00:44:41.789
the talking free show. So I don't even know what
1006
00:44:41.809 --> 00:44:42.730
they're called. Yeah.
1007
00:44:43.230 --> 00:44:45.989
Yeah. It was weird last time having Renee just like
1008
00:44:46.170 --> 00:44:48.940
standing there talking, which up Jarrett and, then all of
1009
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:51.079
a sudden there's like a bell ringing and crowd reacting
1010
00:44:51.139 --> 00:44:53.780
and they don't tell you like what's, what's happening there. So, yeah.
1011
00:44:54.010 --> 00:44:57.630
But anyway, um, so yeah, so far it's not, there's
1012
00:44:57.670 --> 00:45:02.090
not nine matches. It's fine because yes, uh, uh, two, uh,
1013
00:45:02.269 --> 00:45:03.989
two out of three fall trails title match and then
1014
00:45:04.369 --> 00:45:06.360
clockwork carnage should eat up a lot of time. So.
1015
00:45:06.380 --> 00:45:07.360
Yeah.
1016
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:09.619
Clockwork carnage is going to be 35 minutes. Like, so
1017
00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:12.820
we already know plus interest is, so that's 50 minutes. Like,
1018
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:14.000
so that's, that's the last hour.
1019
00:45:14.019 --> 00:45:14.079
So.
1020
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:17.179
So we all should know going in, like whenever that
1021
00:45:17.219 --> 00:45:19.320
match starts, we should just look at the clock and.
1022
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:21.139
Be like, oh boy, we know when we're going to get.
1023
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:21.599
Out of here tonight.
1024
00:45:22.860 --> 00:45:25.780
Yep. Rude Dog, by the way, says love the 90s
1025
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:30.090
past cast. Want to get that shout out in there.
1026
00:45:30.469 --> 00:45:32.150
Zach Barber says I'm very intrigued to see how this
1027
00:45:32.190 --> 00:45:35.929
match plays out. The clockwork carnage match. Derek is happy.
1028
00:45:36.309 --> 00:45:38.550
It's a Saturday night, not a Sunday night. That's just
1029
00:45:39.130 --> 00:45:42.610
NFL season. Derek adds, Wade, I completely agree with your take.
1030
00:45:42.619 --> 00:45:45.030
The United Kingdom stable makes the conglomeration look like the
1031
00:45:45.050 --> 00:45:47.750
Death Riders in comparison. The former comes across as so
1032
00:45:48.110 --> 00:45:52.530
corny and unrelatable. Zach Barber upset with our comments on Andrade. Mine,
1033
00:45:52.630 --> 00:45:54.880
Andrade cannot win. The guy's finally over like a rover
1034
00:45:54.909 --> 00:45:56.460
with a crowd, and yet that's not a good thing
1035
00:45:56.480 --> 00:46:00.559
because he's too into his catchphrase. Come on, Zach. We've
1036
00:46:00.579 --> 00:46:03.079
been over this. I want Andrade's over, and he's putting
1037
00:46:03.099 --> 00:46:06.820
it at risk by not seeming like he is serious
1038
00:46:06.860 --> 00:46:09.849
about winning and a serious person. And you can lean
1039
00:46:09.869 --> 00:46:11.630
too much at a shtick and it can wear out
1040
00:46:11.670 --> 00:46:13.730
its welcome. Look what happened to the acclaimed. You know,
1041
00:46:13.769 --> 00:46:16.389
it's like scissor me, daddy. And that became the entirety
1042
00:46:16.449 --> 00:46:18.449
of the entirety of their act. And there was so
1043
00:46:18.489 --> 00:46:20.659
much more potential there. And they just got wrapped up
1044
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:24.219
in that and they stagnated. What Andrade is doing is
1045
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:28.559
is not it's not what a serious person does. And
1046
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:32.099
I want him you should be rooting for him. Um, he's,
1047
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:33.340
you know, if you look at the crowd, I was
1048
00:46:33.389 --> 00:46:34.750
watching the fans behind him when he was doing the
1049
00:46:34.769 --> 00:46:37.190
selfie tonight and it's like, they're like, Oh, I'm right
1050
00:46:37.230 --> 00:46:38.670
here for this. And all this is fun. And I
1051
00:46:38.690 --> 00:46:41.480
think they take that as like validation that this should
1052
00:46:41.500 --> 00:46:45.780
be working, but what fans enjoy in a moment, it's
1053
00:46:45.820 --> 00:46:49.860
sort of like giving like. cotton candy and junior mints
1054
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:52.909
to little kids for dinner. They're going to eat it
1055
00:46:53.050 --> 00:46:54.789
and they're going to be happy, but it's not best
1056
00:46:54.849 --> 00:46:59.050
for them. And like giving fans a fun little like
1057
00:46:59.210 --> 00:47:00.769
moment of, oh, I get to be right here to
1058
00:47:00.809 --> 00:47:02.590
see this little thing that he does. And I get
1059
00:47:02.610 --> 00:47:05.050
to say his catchphrase. That's what WWE does way too
1060
00:47:05.090 --> 00:47:09.340
much of. And AEW falls into seeming like, you know,
1061
00:47:09.380 --> 00:47:13.820
they're just a derivative of that nonsense. If it's mid-card
1062
00:47:13.860 --> 00:47:15.719
schtick and you keep it there, you can still argue
1063
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:17.929
it should be part of the AW product, but it's
1064
00:47:17.989 --> 00:47:20.789
better off there. But Andrade is carrying around a title
1065
00:47:20.809 --> 00:47:23.969
shot opportunity. He is a really good wrestler, and he
1066
00:47:23.989 --> 00:47:26.690
just shouldn't be doing lower-card schtick. So it's not that
1067
00:47:26.730 --> 00:47:29.989
Andrade can't win. It's just that when you get a
1068
00:47:29.989 --> 00:47:31.760
crowd reaction, you can get a crowd reaction for a
1069
00:47:31.780 --> 00:47:36.380
reason that actually undercuts your ceiling. I think it's defining
1070
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:39.440
him down, or it's certainly in danger of doing that.
1071
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:43.780
As for the Will Ospreay comments with playing off Speedball
1072
00:47:43.820 --> 00:47:46.179
and Andrade, Rude Dog says, I'm already starting to question
1073
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:48.000
Will Ospreay being the top guy in AW. The guy's
1074
00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:50.219
talented as hell, but he's a little goofy. And I'm
1075
00:47:50.260 --> 00:47:54.699
not really into his haircut with his headband or whatever. Yeah.
1076
00:47:55.059 --> 00:47:57.619
I mean, I was, you know, he made his ring entrance,
1077
00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:00.619
you know, the music's great, crowd reacts to him, but
1078
00:48:00.659 --> 00:48:04.969
I was, I was thinking they're starting to lose their
1079
00:48:05.030 --> 00:48:09.429
chance to define him as the guy of this generation.
1080
00:48:09.590 --> 00:48:11.860
I mean, We talk about the Machine Guns kind of
1081
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:13.860
losing their moment by just kind of hovering and just
1082
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:15.760
debuting on Collision and just peering and not being on
1083
00:48:15.780 --> 00:48:19.539
a pay-per-view. I think there's something happening with Ospreay where
1084
00:48:19.860 --> 00:48:22.119
he is the champ, but he's just a guy with
1085
00:48:22.179 --> 00:48:26.139
a belt. It's the world belt, but they're not treating
1086
00:48:26.179 --> 00:48:30.030
him any different now. And there needs to be less
1087
00:48:30.070 --> 00:48:32.809
of a focus on, oh my God, we have a
1088
00:48:32.829 --> 00:48:36.349
new concept match, and more of a focus on what
1089
00:48:36.369 --> 00:48:38.730
does this mean for Will Ospreay, the legacy that Will
1090
00:48:38.769 --> 00:48:41.800
Ospreay can build up as champion. Is this an early
1091
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:45.219
in his reign? Almost everything should go through, how does
1092
00:48:45.260 --> 00:48:47.320
it affect Will Ospreay? Think about when Steve Austin first
1093
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:50.340
got over. Everything was about Stone Cold Steve Austin on
1094
00:48:50.380 --> 00:48:53.150
those Raws. And they're not doing that. They're not in
1095
00:48:53.170 --> 00:48:55.989
the Will Ospreay business. Will Ospreay is the latest guy
1096
00:48:56.010 --> 00:49:03.110
to happen to have a title. And I'm worried about that. Yeah, no.
1097
00:49:03.730 --> 00:49:08.800
As you should be. There was no... go-home promo from
1098
00:49:08.820 --> 00:49:09.480
Will Ospreay.
1099
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:11.679
I mean, unless you call what that was backstage with
1100
00:49:11.889 --> 00:49:13.429
the United Empire go-home promo.
1101
00:49:13.449 --> 00:49:16.050
But I don't. There's nothing with that.
1102
00:49:17.190 --> 00:49:19.869
After the match, it just kind of like, kind of just,
1103
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:22.619
didn't go to commercial no it went to the guy
1104
00:49:22.659 --> 00:49:25.280
that is what the de facto top guy in this
1105
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:28.489
company went to Jon Moxley backstage like and he you
1106
00:49:28.510 --> 00:49:30.750
know right at the beginning of collision so and I
1107
00:49:30.769 --> 00:49:34.110
think that maybe I thought him beating him would help
1108
00:49:34.969 --> 00:49:36.909
Will Ospreay maybe get out of the shadow a little
1109
00:49:36.929 --> 00:49:38.869
bit of Moxley and it feels like it just.
1110
00:49:40.380 --> 00:49:42.900
It made everybody a little bit more towards Jon Moxley.
1111
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:45.960
We were in Moxley's hometown tonight, though, so maybe that
1112
00:49:46.019 --> 00:49:47.659
had a little bit to do with it. Or not
1113
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:51.090
his hometown, but his home state. But yeah, it's weird.
1114
00:49:51.650 --> 00:49:53.829
It definitely does not feel like he is taking the ball,
1115
00:49:54.110 --> 00:49:56.190
as they say, and running with it. It feels like
1116
00:49:56.210 --> 00:49:58.289
he's just kind of like, ooh, he's happy to be here,
1117
00:49:58.789 --> 00:50:00.889
and he needs to be more serious with the title.
1118
00:50:01.469 --> 00:50:02.780
And the idea is, oh, his matches will be great
1119
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:04.659
on pay-per-view, and people are paying to see good matches. But,
1120
00:50:04.739 --> 00:50:07.619
you know, I want the narrative, I want the machine...
1121
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.179
of promoting him to make it seem like this is
1122
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:11.500
a guy you got to buy an AWD ticket to
1123
00:50:11.539 --> 00:50:14.530
see in person. This reign, he is special. His, and, and,
1124
00:50:15.110 --> 00:50:16.409
you know, I don't know.
1125
00:50:16.730 --> 00:50:19.710
It's just, yeah, I can, you can watch matches all
1126
00:50:19.730 --> 00:50:21.309
the time. So yeah. Yeah.
1127
00:50:21.349 --> 00:50:23.150
You watch good matches all the time. That's, that's, that's
1128
00:50:23.170 --> 00:50:25.550
the argument now. Like that was the argument when AW started,
1129
00:50:25.570 --> 00:50:28.139
I got it. It was like, Oh, it's, it's not,
1130
00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:28.780
it's a good match.
1131
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:29.119
Good match.
1132
00:50:29.139 --> 00:50:29.280
Good.
1133
00:50:29.300 --> 00:50:31.880
Like it's not that anymore. We don't just, we're not
1134
00:50:31.900 --> 00:50:34.929
just tuning in for the good matches. You, there is
1135
00:50:34.989 --> 00:50:36.710
part of the fan base and probably a big part
1136
00:50:36.730 --> 00:50:38.590
of the fan base that wants the stories as well.
1137
00:50:38.929 --> 00:50:41.860
They want storylines. They don't just want good matches because
1138
00:50:42.050 --> 00:50:42.679
you want a good match.
1139
00:50:42.699 --> 00:50:45.480
You know, Ricochet versus Ace Austin is probably better than
1140
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:47.420
anything that was on Raw 10 years ago.
1141
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:51.900
Like, it's just, it's not. The bar has to be
1142
00:50:51.940 --> 00:50:53.360
raised a little bit, I think.
1143
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:56.969
Yeah, agreed. Zach Barber says, so if they strip Andrade
1144
00:50:57.010 --> 00:50:59.309
of his catchphrase, his selfie, and his pants removal, what
1145
00:50:59.369 --> 00:51:01.690
does he have? Don't get me wrong. He's a super
1146
00:51:01.710 --> 00:51:03.889
talented wrestler, but those are the things that got him over.
1147
00:51:04.659 --> 00:51:07.550
So as we've talked about, Zach, I'm pretty sure what
1148
00:51:07.570 --> 00:51:09.070
I would like to see is a selfie be something
1149
00:51:09.090 --> 00:51:10.730
he does before the match or after he wins, but
1150
00:51:10.769 --> 00:51:12.769
not during a match. That's my problem with it. I'm
1151
00:51:12.789 --> 00:51:14.449
fine with him doing it. It should not be in
1152
00:51:14.489 --> 00:51:17.869
the midst of a match, especially a one-on-one title match.
1153
00:51:18.070 --> 00:51:20.690
If you're defending your title and you lose your focus,
1154
00:51:20.889 --> 00:51:24.349
I'm sorry, it just becomes a farce of a show
1155
00:51:25.050 --> 00:51:27.889
and not a simulated sports competition that you should take seriously.
1156
00:51:28.550 --> 00:51:32.840
The catchphrase is something that he can, I think, more
1157
00:51:32.889 --> 00:51:38.050
strategically use he should pick his moments to say it,
1158
00:51:38.469 --> 00:51:41.199
but he should do so in a way. Like with Zach,
1159
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:45.280
it's sort of all or nothing. Like if you critique something,
1160
00:51:45.380 --> 00:51:47.079
you're trashing it and think it should go away, and
1161
00:51:47.099 --> 00:51:51.650
there's nuance. And I think I'm clear with my criticism
1162
00:51:51.789 --> 00:51:54.989
of this, but I'll make sure that I reinforce it here.
1163
00:51:55.849 --> 00:51:57.949
I think the catchphrase is fine, but I think he seems,
1164
00:51:58.110 --> 00:52:00.139
as I said, too delighted with himself when he says it.
1165
00:52:00.179 --> 00:52:00.860
Like, oh.
1166
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:04.960
this is the thing I'm about to say it. Everybody
1167
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.730
get ready. I'm a grown man, but I'm like, I'm
1168
00:52:07.750 --> 00:52:09.670
like the kid who plays peekaboo on the airplane with you.
1169
00:52:09.929 --> 00:52:11.389
This is going to be fun. I'm going to say
1170
00:52:11.429 --> 00:52:14.369
my phrase. And it's like, it's, it's undignified. I don't
1171
00:52:14.429 --> 00:52:17.789
take him seriously when he's so excited about it. It's like,
1172
00:52:18.179 --> 00:52:23.280
you know, uh, you know, so, um, that's my issue
1173
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:28.070
is it seems childish and, um, But I think he
1174
00:52:28.090 --> 00:52:30.530
can say the catchphrase, but I think he should say
1175
00:52:30.550 --> 00:52:32.889
it in a more serious way, not where he's just
1176
00:52:32.909 --> 00:52:34.820
delighted with himself because he has a catchphrase that's over.
1177
00:52:36.460 --> 00:52:38.960
No, I absolutely agree with that. I've had a problem
1178
00:52:38.980 --> 00:52:41.940
with the catchphrase for a while now. Just the way
1179
00:52:41.980 --> 00:52:43.280
that he's been building up to it.
1180
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:43.659
I agree.
1181
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:47.199
It's much better if they can just work it into
1182
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:50.059
a promo. and it feel way more natural rather than
1183
00:52:50.099 --> 00:52:50.460
the buildup.
1184
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:50.960
It would be better.
1185
00:52:51.019 --> 00:52:54.119
And I liked the idea of the selfie during the entrance, dude, that's,
1186
00:52:54.260 --> 00:52:56.460
that's like Bret Hart giving the glasses to a kid, man.
1187
00:52:56.480 --> 00:53:02.599
That's like, that's great. Exactly.
1188
00:53:02.619 --> 00:53:04.219
And you would in the crowd would be all hyped
1189
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:05.980
about it. Cause whoever gets to be in the picture
1190
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:08.239
kind of thing. Like, no, I think that wouldn't, that
1191
00:53:08.260 --> 00:53:12.239
would endear him more to the crowd than what he does. Um, and,
1192
00:53:12.659 --> 00:53:15.199
the pants thing is whatever, like have that, have him
1193
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:17.130
do that right at, right. As they're getting ready to
1194
00:53:17.170 --> 00:53:18.409
ring the bell, have them do it right. As they're
1195
00:53:18.429 --> 00:53:20.269
getting ready to ring the bell, you know, right before
1196
00:53:20.289 --> 00:53:21.969
they do it, like the ref points at his pants,
1197
00:53:21.989 --> 00:53:22.550
you're going to take.
1198
00:53:22.449 --> 00:53:24.130
Them off and he rips them off. And then you
1199
00:53:24.170 --> 00:53:27.920
get the, the woo. Yeah, whatever. But yeah, I agree.
1200
00:53:27.940 --> 00:53:30.480
There's ways to mitigate or like to switch around and
1201
00:53:30.500 --> 00:53:32.940
just kind of like tweak what he's doing for it
1202
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:34.599
all to work really well.
1203
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:38.800
And my vote would be to not do the pants thing. Period.
1204
00:53:39.070 --> 00:53:40.630
I think the selfie.
1205
00:53:40.969 --> 00:53:41.150
Yeah.
1206
00:53:41.190 --> 00:53:43.050
I think it's, I think if he did like twice
1207
00:53:43.090 --> 00:53:46.460
a year in a certain context, um, that sort of,
1208
00:53:46.630 --> 00:53:50.670
it came up naturally. Uh, but yeah. Um, anyway, Zach
1209
00:53:51.090 --> 00:53:53.789
did say, uh, okay, that'll make sense, Wade. So he's,
1210
00:53:53.949 --> 00:53:55.309
he's good.
1211
00:53:55.530 --> 00:53:55.710
Good.
1212
00:53:55.789 --> 00:53:56.329
I'm glad we were good.
1213
00:53:56.349 --> 00:53:56.429
Good.
1214
00:53:56.809 --> 00:53:58.730
Right there. And he says also, please get him some
1215
00:53:58.750 --> 00:54:00.780
tearaway pants. So he doesn't get, they don't get stuck.
1216
00:54:01.179 --> 00:54:01.500
Of course.
1217
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:02.500
Yeah.
1218
00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:03.360
Yeah.
1219
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:05.599
Uh, Derek Mitchell says, yeah, I'm ready. He's morphing into
1220
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:08.940
Tiffany Stratton. Tiffy time. Or if you're not, he's saying indeed.
1221
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:09.780
Yeah.
1222
00:54:10.940 --> 00:54:14.329
Um, And Derek Mitchell says, and this is not an
1223
00:54:14.369 --> 00:54:17.150
endorsement of Andrade doing this. Wade, do you remember that
1224
00:54:17.190 --> 00:54:19.030
Marcus Bagwell used to do the pants gimmick in Global
1225
00:54:19.050 --> 00:54:21.829
Wrestling Federation as the handsome stranger? I forgot about that,
1226
00:54:21.849 --> 00:54:24.289
but I totally believe it.
1227
00:54:24.710 --> 00:54:25.409
Oh, man.
1228
00:54:25.429 --> 00:54:27.900
Yeah. Did he have like a little bow tie too?
1229
00:54:28.059 --> 00:54:29.539
Or was that when he was American Males?
1230
00:54:29.619 --> 00:54:30.980
I don't remember. I think it was more American Males,
1231
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:33.539
but he had the mysterious mask, right?
1232
00:54:33.739 --> 00:54:36.380
Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay.
1233
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:36.659
Yep.
1234
00:54:36.940 --> 00:54:37.320
I remember that.
1235
00:54:37.340 --> 00:54:42.159
Handsome stranger. Yeah. Before pushing play on the Wade Keller
1236
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:45.519
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00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:48.500
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00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:50.320
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00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:52.940
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1240
00:54:53.019 --> 00:54:56.780
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1241
00:54:57.059 --> 00:55:01.789
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1242
00:55:01.809 --> 00:55:03.909
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00:55:03.929 --> 00:55:06.550
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00:55:06.570 --> 00:55:08.750
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00:55:08.789 --> 00:55:11.880
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00:55:12.070 --> 00:55:17.960
at pwtorch.com all right let's bring uh johnny into the
1247
00:55:17.980 --> 00:55:19.539
program you can be a caller too check out my
1248
00:55:19.579 --> 00:55:21.559
report at pw torch if you're just joining us uh
1249
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:23.239
there's a link at the top and bottom of my
1250
00:55:23.300 --> 00:55:26.320
dynamite report at pwtorch.com and you can click on that
1251
00:55:26.380 --> 00:55:28.400
link and join us should work on your phone or
1252
00:55:28.420 --> 00:55:31.199
your laptop uh johnny welcome good to see you talk
1253
00:55:31.219 --> 00:55:32.039
to you again it's been a while.
1254
00:55:33.139 --> 00:55:35.320
Hey guys yeah i've been a little while but um
1255
00:55:36.809 --> 00:55:40.369
kind of excited for WrestleDream and the Clockwork Garnage match
1256
00:55:40.429 --> 00:55:43.010
I think is going to be fun even if I
1257
00:55:43.030 --> 00:55:46.070
don't love the concept I think Wade the conversation you
1258
00:55:46.090 --> 00:55:47.889
and Rich had yesterday kind of brought me around a
1259
00:55:47.909 --> 00:55:50.989
little bit on it as a concept and made me
1260
00:55:51.010 --> 00:55:54.170
more excited for it and probably the quality of wrestlers
1261
00:55:54.190 --> 00:55:55.610
that they've actually put in the match has made me
1262
00:55:55.650 --> 00:55:57.090
excited for it as well because I think it's what
1263
00:55:57.130 --> 00:55:58.750
we often ask for of like if you're going to
1264
00:55:58.769 --> 00:56:00.550
do a match like this put in top quality and
1265
00:56:00.570 --> 00:56:02.809
when they started with Mike Bailey I was like oh
1266
00:56:03.429 --> 00:56:05.670
this might not be a great match but the quality's
1267
00:56:05.710 --> 00:56:07.829
really come around And then as I was watching the show,
1268
00:56:07.849 --> 00:56:10.570
I was like, well, the quality's there, but all of
1269
00:56:10.610 --> 00:56:12.829
these matches feel predictable, and I would have liked to
1270
00:56:12.889 --> 00:56:15.550
see one upset, I think, in the mix.
1271
00:56:15.750 --> 00:56:19.099
Right. Yeah, I was thinking, Rich and I were talking
1272
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:23.059
about that, and it's just like, I wanted to not
1273
00:56:23.300 --> 00:56:25.159
manufacture false.
1274
00:56:25.179 --> 00:56:28.340
To just introduce a bit of ability to who's going
1275
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:28.579
to be.
1276
00:56:29.900 --> 00:56:31.860
Yeah, well, I was thinking, is there a match here
1277
00:56:31.969 --> 00:56:37.429
for the sake of podcast conversation where I can go, okay,
1278
00:56:37.510 --> 00:56:40.239
maybe we can make a case for Ace Austin winning
1279
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:42.960
or at just Sarah winning. And I was like, not
1280
00:56:42.980 --> 00:56:45.179
just for the underdog winning, but also maybe to give
1281
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:49.280
the other, the favorite, a reason to be upset or
1282
00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:51.280
do something else on the card. And I couldn't come
1283
00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:53.030
up with it. So I didn't do it. Like I'm staring.
1284
00:56:53.050 --> 00:56:54.409
I'm like, can I make a case for one of
1285
00:56:54.429 --> 00:56:56.789
these qualifying matches? It just was, you know, it's one
1286
00:56:56.809 --> 00:56:59.369
of the AW things. It is, there's, you know, it's
1287
00:56:59.389 --> 00:57:00.590
going to go 12 minutes and the guy who you
1288
00:57:00.610 --> 00:57:01.849
expect to win is going to win and it's going
1289
00:57:01.869 --> 00:57:05.110
to be competitive. And that's, that's what we got, you know, from,
1290
00:57:05.860 --> 00:57:08.280
peripherally watching collision. That seems to be what we're in
1291
00:57:08.300 --> 00:57:10.219
the midst of watching with, uh, at just zero two.
1292
00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:13.619
So yeah. Um, uh, Dennis, what do you think about, uh,
1293
00:57:13.900 --> 00:57:16.699
having an upset? And if you were going to do it,
1294
00:57:16.699 --> 00:57:18.280
it doesn't mean it had to be a sauce and winning.
1295
00:57:18.699 --> 00:57:21.699
It could be somebody else you actually want to see in, uh,
1296
00:57:21.780 --> 00:57:23.360
no dig on a sauce, but you could have had
1297
00:57:23.380 --> 00:57:25.579
an underdog who actually be kind of fun to have
1298
00:57:25.820 --> 00:57:29.179
in the clockwork carnage match that might elevate him. Um,
1299
00:57:29.889 --> 00:57:31.510
you know, I don't know. I don't know who that
1300
00:57:31.530 --> 00:57:33.230
would be. I'd have to look at the roster. Dennis.
1301
00:57:33.409 --> 00:57:36.000
Yeah, no, uh, no, I, I think, uh, I actually
1302
00:57:36.019 --> 00:57:37.679
looked at the whole card and that's what that, that
1303
00:57:37.699 --> 00:57:39.530
was kind of part of the part of the problem
1304
00:57:39.570 --> 00:57:41.449
tonight was like, everything felt predictable.
1305
00:57:41.510 --> 00:57:43.010
It felt very just straightforward.
1306
00:57:43.349 --> 00:57:45.090
But if, I mean, if you were going to have
1307
00:57:45.110 --> 00:57:46.809
an upset, it's probably the one that's going on now
1308
00:57:46.849 --> 00:57:49.610
would be edges arrow, like beating Darby Darby Darby can
1309
00:57:49.630 --> 00:57:52.369
sustain a loss. Uh, and then Darby could be in
1310
00:57:52.409 --> 00:57:54.670
a match just very quickly. If they wanted to throw
1311
00:57:54.710 --> 00:57:56.349
him in something, there's no reason to, we.
1312
00:57:56.289 --> 00:57:56.909
Have nine matches.
1313
00:57:57.170 --> 00:58:00.170
I'm not advocating for it, but you know, it's possible,
1314
00:58:00.210 --> 00:58:06.769
but yeah, no, I, uh, But I also think that
1315
00:58:07.610 --> 00:58:09.590
Darby's star power in the match also helps the match.
1316
00:58:09.670 --> 00:58:12.050
So, you know, it is a step down having Hedges'
1317
00:58:12.110 --> 00:58:13.320
arrow in there. No offense to Hedges' arrow.
1318
00:58:13.699 --> 00:58:16.519
But, yeah, I think that the star power is what,
1319
00:58:16.659 --> 00:58:19.260
like Johnny said, is what is drawing about the match.
1320
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:22.139
Like the fact that they're doing that is huge. But
1321
00:58:22.940 --> 00:58:24.880
having an upset tonight would have been nice. But I
1322
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:27.320
think that you got that with, you got the O
1323
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:32.840
moment with Mox when Davis just pinned him. So I
1324
00:58:32.860 --> 00:58:36.510
think that was– they went straight talk everywhere.
1325
00:58:36.230 --> 00:58:37.650
Else because I think they were like, oh, I think
1326
00:58:37.690 --> 00:58:38.630
this will surprise people.
1327
00:58:39.909 --> 00:58:41.210
By the way, Zach Barb is upset with you, Dennis.
1328
00:58:41.230 --> 00:58:45.550
He goes, hey, Speedball is quality. Or was it you, Johnny?
1329
00:58:46.050 --> 00:58:48.610
Who said– was it you, Johnny? Oh, sorry. Dennis, I
1330
00:58:48.630 --> 00:58:50.889
could tell in your face that you weren't the one.
1331
00:58:51.309 --> 00:58:55.710
I cast those versions the wrong way. Johnny, Speedball is
1332
00:58:55.769 --> 00:59:00.289
the least– he is in the PWI 500, I am confident,
1333
00:59:00.489 --> 00:59:05.949
the lowest ranked. Compared to Takeshita, Okada, Ricochet, Copeland, Samoa Joe,
1334
00:59:05.989 --> 00:59:08.280
and Will Ospreay. I say confidence, but maybe they didn't
1335
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:10.809
have Joe as high because he hasn't been as active.
1336
00:59:10.829 --> 00:59:14.920
So I could be wrong on that. But overall, in
1337
00:59:14.940 --> 00:59:15.920
a five-year average.
1338
00:59:17.179 --> 00:59:18.699
I like Steeple, right? But he would have been a
1339
00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:21.219
good candidate to be in a matchup this week to
1340
00:59:21.260 --> 00:59:23.360
get an upset victory to come in. I think people
1341
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:25.860
would be excited by that. But given that he was
1342
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:28.340
the first, it's kind of like he set the bar
1343
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:31.840
for kind of And that just gave the feeling of, oh,
1344
00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:34.099
this is going to be another one of these multi-man
1345
00:59:34.139 --> 00:59:36.820
matches with a bunch of not real contenders. And the
1346
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:38.500
quality is higher than that. And I think they just
1347
00:59:38.539 --> 00:59:40.860
framed it incorrectly to get us there.
1348
00:59:41.489 --> 00:59:42.340
Yeah, fair enough.
1349
00:59:43.469 --> 00:59:45.230
But I do want to go to.
1350
00:59:46.789 --> 00:59:47.230
Mark Davis.
1351
00:59:47.250 --> 00:59:51.230
I just really enjoy Mark Davis. He's been a real revelation.
1352
00:59:51.369 --> 00:59:53.570
I know he kind of got the win tonight to
1353
00:59:53.730 --> 00:59:56.809
lose on the pay-per-view. But honestly, I would just have
1354
00:59:56.849 --> 00:59:57.710
him win on the pay-per-view.
1355
00:59:57.949 --> 00:59:58.610
I would too.
1356
01:00:00.219 --> 01:00:02.500
He's just doing great. And like, why not give someone
1357
01:00:02.539 --> 01:00:04.079
like him the ball in the same way that they
1358
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:06.239
kind of did with Kyle Fletcher. And like Kyle Fletcher
1359
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:09.059
is one of my favorites right now. I would just
1360
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:12.360
be doing the same thing with Mark Davis, but I
1361
01:00:12.380 --> 01:00:15.710
think it's going to just lose to the Moxie special on,
1362
01:00:15.849 --> 01:00:17.849
on Saturday, which is not a bad spot to be,
1363
01:00:17.989 --> 01:00:19.489
but I just think it's a great time to try
1364
01:00:19.530 --> 01:00:19.949
something new.
1365
01:00:20.929 --> 01:00:23.510
He's been good enough. Even though, even there's that promo
1366
01:00:23.530 --> 01:00:26.789
that kind of got people's attention a month or two back.
1367
01:00:27.389 --> 01:00:30.070
He is, there's enough there. And I like the idea
1368
01:00:30.110 --> 01:00:34.090
that he's different. He stands out as being really different
1369
01:00:34.110 --> 01:00:35.949
from most of the pushed wrestlers. I mean, you get,
1370
01:00:35.969 --> 01:00:38.070
I don't know, the Machine Brian Cage and Lance Archer,
1371
01:00:38.090 --> 01:00:41.210
they're big, but they're not pushed. Mark, because it just,
1372
01:00:41.769 --> 01:00:43.849
I don't know. I mean, I'm sure Brian Cage could
1373
01:00:43.889 --> 01:00:47.789
make an argument why he should get more of a push.
1374
01:00:48.250 --> 01:00:50.829
But Archer's, you know, and even Archer could have protected more.
1375
01:00:50.849 --> 01:00:53.690
But nevertheless, the big guys, Brody King kind of got
1376
01:00:53.730 --> 01:00:55.730
like little start and stop pushes, little, you know, in the,
1377
01:00:56.190 --> 01:01:00.789
continental classic situations and such. But Mark Davis, I think,
1378
01:01:00.829 --> 01:01:05.369
has a higher upside than all of them. I mean,
1379
01:01:05.389 --> 01:01:08.780
I hesitate to say that with Brody King, but it's
1380
01:01:08.820 --> 01:01:11.380
more of a compliment to Mark Davis than saying I'm
1381
01:01:11.420 --> 01:01:18.039
losing faith in Brody being a credible, sustained, top-of-the-second-tier, bottom-of-the-first-year
1382
01:01:18.059 --> 01:01:21.119
single star who visits main events. I think Davis can
1383
01:01:21.139 --> 01:01:23.530
do that. He hasn't been defined down as much. Now,
1384
01:01:23.989 --> 01:01:27.380
we had that intriguing... segment at the kind of after the, uh,
1385
01:01:27.460 --> 01:01:28.760
the dynamite main event, I guess we'll call it at
1386
01:01:28.780 --> 01:01:31.219
the end of the second hour of bleeding into the third, uh,
1387
01:01:31.420 --> 01:01:36.420
where Mox had a bit of a meltdown, a breakdown. Um, and, uh, Renee,
1388
01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:39.440
his wife kind of didn't break character, but you kind
1389
01:01:39.460 --> 01:01:42.179
of were like, Ooh, she's been here before. Maybe, um,
1390
01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:44.539
you know, what's going on, what hurts. And he goes everything.
1391
01:01:45.460 --> 01:01:48.320
And then he, uh, Marina Shafir kneeled down and gave
1392
01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:51.110
him a pep talk and said, the only way to
1393
01:01:51.150 --> 01:01:52.730
get over this is to go through it. I think
1394
01:01:52.750 --> 01:01:56.139
it was the phrase roughly. And then Mox was kind
1395
01:01:56.159 --> 01:01:58.829
of like, okay, that's what I needed to hear. So
1396
01:01:59.090 --> 01:02:03.909
they're either setting up Moxley to lose and really break down,
1397
01:02:04.250 --> 01:02:07.590
or the pep talk from Shafir is going to be
1398
01:02:07.630 --> 01:02:09.849
enough to give him kind of a new direction and
1399
01:02:09.889 --> 01:02:12.170
a new course. Dennis, what do you think of that?
1400
01:02:13.110 --> 01:02:15.670
No, I think it's totally possible.
1401
01:02:15.769 --> 01:02:18.889
I think Mox has had issues with certain wrestlers before.
1402
01:02:19.130 --> 01:02:21.199
You know, he had the Kyle O'Reilly issue. Kyle O'Reilly
1403
01:02:21.219 --> 01:02:23.280
just kind of beat him. Why can't Davis be that
1404
01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:27.010
wrestler as well? I think that Davis is, like you said,
1405
01:02:27.070 --> 01:02:29.519
Davis has not been defined down the way Brody King
1406
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:33.840
has within the singles realm. So I think that that definitely,
1407
01:02:34.099 --> 01:02:36.539
him winning would be huge also for Davis. And I
1408
01:02:36.579 --> 01:02:40.500
think Davis has had a great 2026 so far. It's
1409
01:02:40.539 --> 01:02:43.550
really been impressive. And just that his finisher is just,
1410
01:02:44.250 --> 01:02:46.789
it's nasty. I'm glad that Mox didn't kick out. I
1411
01:02:46.809 --> 01:02:49.449
thought he was going to, but I was really glad
1412
01:02:49.469 --> 01:02:51.670
he didn't because that finisher needs to be protected.
1413
01:02:51.849 --> 01:02:54.019
It looks punishing. So I love it.
1414
01:02:54.070 --> 01:02:54.190
Yeah.
1415
01:02:55.179 --> 01:02:58.449
We talk about tag teams, too. Davis and Doyle. You know,
1416
01:02:58.469 --> 01:03:00.050
we talk about tag team depth. They could.
1417
01:03:00.230 --> 01:03:00.429
Yeah.
1418
01:03:00.829 --> 01:03:01.570
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1419
01:03:01.829 --> 01:03:02.269
Definitely.
1420
01:03:02.610 --> 01:03:06.889
Yeah. Johnny dropped off. I don't think I did that.
1421
01:03:06.909 --> 01:03:11.130
I think we just lost the connection. Oh. So, yeah.
1422
01:03:11.449 --> 01:03:12.679
He's on the other side of the world, right?
1423
01:03:13.340 --> 01:03:13.570
Yeah.
1424
01:03:13.659 --> 01:03:15.579
Well, at least he has an accent that makes it
1425
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:18.070
seem like he is. Yeah.
1426
01:03:18.150 --> 01:03:18.829
I'm not sure.
1427
01:03:19.309 --> 01:03:20.929
We got a cat on a lap. It's always a
1428
01:03:20.929 --> 01:03:22.230
good podcast when a cat shows up.
1429
01:03:22.269 --> 01:03:22.849
Yes.
1430
01:03:23.150 --> 01:03:24.690
This is Luna. This is Luna.
1431
01:03:24.730 --> 01:03:24.909
Yeah.
1432
01:03:24.949 --> 01:03:27.409
She's a, my wife got her for her birthday this year.
1433
01:03:27.510 --> 01:03:29.170
So she's a lift her up.
1434
01:03:29.179 --> 01:03:29.679
I want to see her.
1435
01:03:30.139 --> 01:03:30.679
There she is.
1436
01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:32.119
There she is. Yeah.
1437
01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:35.440
She's a little cutie. Definitely a little cutie. Yeah. She
1438
01:03:35.659 --> 01:03:36.480
didn't like that.
1439
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:37.179
Yeah.
1440
01:03:37.219 --> 01:03:39.909
She was a, she's very, very sweet. Very sweet girl.
1441
01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:40.369
Yeah.
1442
01:03:40.409 --> 01:03:41.250
She's been a good little girl.
1443
01:03:41.949 --> 01:03:42.809
Awesome. Awesome.
1444
01:03:43.190 --> 01:03:43.309
Yeah.
1445
01:03:44.510 --> 01:03:47.710
Let's see. So, yeah, Johnny, you're welcome to call back.
1446
01:03:47.849 --> 01:03:53.889
I did not intend to delete you. Shout out to Luna,
1447
01:03:54.110 --> 01:03:56.349
for sure. All right, we had a Super Chat earlier.
1448
01:03:56.389 --> 01:03:59.309
Let's circle back. Zach Barber, thank you for the Super Chat.
1449
01:03:59.329 --> 01:04:02.610
It says, I've compared Chris Jericho to David Coverdale of Whitesnake.
1450
01:04:02.630 --> 01:04:04.670
At least Coverdale knew he couldn't hit the high notes
1451
01:04:04.710 --> 01:04:08.250
anymore and retired last year. Jericho's not self-aware enough for that.
1452
01:04:08.269 --> 01:04:09.650
I am.
1453
01:04:11.380 --> 01:04:14.880
I am up and down on Jericho's push, but I
1454
01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:17.059
don't have a lot of criticism what's going on here.
1455
01:04:17.139 --> 01:04:19.539
As long as in the end, you know, he loses.
1456
01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:23.280
Nick Wayne is not being defined down by interacting with
1457
01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:27.250
Chris Jericho. It's kind of been a collision feud. It's
1458
01:04:27.289 --> 01:04:32.230
not like they're featuring it, you know, over-featuring it on Dynamite.
1459
01:04:32.250 --> 01:04:32.369
Right.
1460
01:04:34.110 --> 01:04:36.590
So, I don't know. I mean, I think it's been fine.
1461
01:04:36.630 --> 01:04:40.289
I mean, Nick Wayne is the wrestler you would create
1462
01:04:40.309 --> 01:04:44.250
in a laboratory to be an annoying heel for the
1463
01:04:44.309 --> 01:04:47.010
legendary Chris Jericho in the final stands of his career,
1464
01:04:47.340 --> 01:04:48.880
who can also have a good match with him by
1465
01:04:48.940 --> 01:04:54.099
bumping like crazy for Jericho. So, to me, it's kind
1466
01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:57.519
of perfect if you're going to have Jericho around. And
1467
01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:00.889
I think if you are Nick Wayne and you go, Well,
1468
01:05:00.929 --> 01:05:02.590
Jericho's kind of old and worn out as well. And
1469
01:05:02.610 --> 01:05:04.250
people like Zach Barber don't want him around anymore. They're
1470
01:05:04.269 --> 01:05:06.710
sick of him. If I'm Nick Wayne, I lobby to
1471
01:05:06.750 --> 01:05:08.929
have a feud with Chris Jericho as long as there's
1472
01:05:08.969 --> 01:05:12.199
enough give and take. And in the end, Jericho puts
1473
01:05:12.219 --> 01:05:15.940
him over. I have not seen. Have you, Dennis, an
1474
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:18.780
example where you thought, Jericho says he's putting him over,
1475
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:22.460
but it's all about him. I haven't sensed that here.
1476
01:05:23.469 --> 01:05:25.719
No no not not in no with this feud no
1477
01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:27.449
it feels like jericho knows what he's doing and i
1478
01:05:27.570 --> 01:05:29.619
and i'm really hopeful that he does put him over
1479
01:05:29.659 --> 01:05:32.320
in um because he's they're wrestling at the pay-per-view so
1480
01:05:32.500 --> 01:05:34.619
i guess we'll find out in three days whether what's
1481
01:05:34.659 --> 01:05:36.500
going on with this but i i do think in
1482
01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:38.480
the end he's going to put him over and where
1483
01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:40.400
they go from there after that i don't know but
1484
01:05:40.500 --> 01:05:44.159
i it's definitely not bad for nick wayne at 22
1485
01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:48.329
to be wrestling chris jericho right now this is this
1486
01:05:48.349 --> 01:05:50.480
is a classic story that they've told for, you know,
1487
01:05:50.539 --> 01:05:53.739
generations in wrestling, the older guy wrestling, the new, the
1488
01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:54.260
new young guy.
1489
01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:57.300
Like this is, this is classic wrestling for, in my opinion.
1490
01:05:57.320 --> 01:05:58.780
So no, I, I'm all for this.
1491
01:05:59.179 --> 01:06:01.619
I was very worried when he, when Jericho won, I
1492
01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:04.730
didn't like that of course, but I was also worried
1493
01:06:04.750 --> 01:06:06.630
when Jericho came back that he was going to try
1494
01:06:06.650 --> 01:06:09.170
to wedge himself into some sort of main event scene
1495
01:06:09.210 --> 01:06:09.849
or something like that.
1496
01:06:09.909 --> 01:06:10.809
And that has not happened.
1497
01:06:11.150 --> 01:06:14.070
Like I'm, I've been actually pleasantly surprised with where they've
1498
01:06:14.110 --> 01:06:15.190
placed Jericho.
1499
01:06:14.849 --> 01:06:15.349
When he got back.
1500
01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:20.730
No, we'll say, Zach Barber said, can Jericho announce 2026
1501
01:06:20.730 --> 01:06:24.610
will be his last year in wrestling? I see what
1502
01:06:24.650 --> 01:06:27.929
he did there. 2027 is a tour of Copeland, but Jericho,
1503
01:06:27.949 --> 01:06:29.650
the clock is ticking. Two and a half months left.
1504
01:06:30.150 --> 01:06:32.389
The problem, Zach, I don't want you to lose sleep
1505
01:06:32.449 --> 01:06:35.980
over this, is with 2027 being Copeland's last year, I
1506
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:38.619
think Jericho has to stick around now until at least
1507
01:06:38.619 --> 01:06:42.119
2028 because you don't want to share the spotlight and
1508
01:06:42.139 --> 01:06:45.280
retire in the same year as Copeland. That wouldn't be
1509
01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:46.090
fair for either of them.
1510
01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:50.760
No, no, no. Definitely not. Definitely not.
1511
01:06:50.820 --> 01:06:52.739
I don't think that either one of their egos would
1512
01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:54.340
allow that to happen either.
1513
01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:57.489
I don't hear anything about– I don't think Copeland has
1514
01:06:57.570 --> 01:06:59.909
as big of an ego as Jericho. So, yeah.
1515
01:07:02.429 --> 01:07:02.929
Hey, everyone.
1516
01:07:02.989 --> 01:07:05.710
Greg Parks here. You've probably heard me hosting Wrestling Night
1517
01:07:05.730 --> 01:07:08.820
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1518
01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:12.179
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01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:17.460
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01:07:17.500 --> 01:07:19.380
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1537
01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:07.119
By the way, who do you think had a better career?
1538
01:08:07.619 --> 01:08:13.789
Copeland or Jericho? Who's a bigger star? better matches, bigger
1539
01:08:13.849 --> 01:08:19.529
name when all is said and done. Um, Jericho started
1540
01:08:19.550 --> 01:08:20.649
years before.
1541
01:08:21.090 --> 01:08:22.310
That's what I was going to say. It might be,
1542
01:08:22.399 --> 01:08:24.300
it might be Jericho because of that.
1543
01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:27.600
Um, Jericho had all of this stuff outside of WWE
1544
01:08:27.640 --> 01:08:30.720
and all of Copeland stuff is inside of WWE. And
1545
01:08:30.819 --> 01:08:34.729
you know, however, however that's taken, uh, I don't know.
1546
01:08:34.789 --> 01:08:37.739
It's close, though. I think that that is a good
1547
01:08:38.119 --> 01:08:42.500
one for sure. Edge also spent all that time in
1548
01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:45.159
a tag team before he became a single star and
1549
01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:47.460
is decorated in that way, and Jericho doesn't have that
1550
01:08:47.500 --> 01:08:49.560
type of decoration. I mean, he's got his tag stuff
1551
01:08:49.579 --> 01:08:53.489
with Big Show and stuff like that in WWE, but
1552
01:08:54.010 --> 01:08:55.149
he's not known as a tag guy.
1553
01:08:55.630 --> 01:08:58.560
I don't know. That's a good one. Definitely a good one.
1554
01:08:58.569 --> 01:08:59.109
What do you think?
1555
01:08:59.630 --> 01:09:01.949
Yeah i put jericho ahead okay yeah.
1556
01:09:01.850 --> 01:09:03.989
Okay that's my first inclination is jericho yeah yeah.
1557
01:09:04.149 --> 01:09:06.979
I think i think copeland was a nice kind of
1558
01:09:07.609 --> 01:09:11.560
at his peak third or fourth biggest star but not
1559
01:09:11.579 --> 01:09:17.520
a draw at the level not a a Jericho at
1560
01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:20.539
his peak was more of a defining character for the
1561
01:09:20.579 --> 01:09:23.380
generation or the era that he was a top star.
1562
01:09:23.590 --> 01:09:28.449
And then Copeland, um, Copeland was a serviceable main event
1563
01:09:28.550 --> 01:09:31.189
and tag team wrestler who got moments in the world
1564
01:09:31.210 --> 01:09:35.850
title scene, but was never the guy. Jericho was never
1565
01:09:36.149 --> 01:09:39.930
the guy, but he was more the guy than Copeland.
1566
01:09:40.090 --> 01:09:43.569
I would argue was as edge, but more so I
1567
01:09:43.609 --> 01:09:49.090
think it's, um, the, the, Yeah, it's hard to put
1568
01:09:49.109 --> 01:09:51.550
words to it, but there's no doubt in my mind
1569
01:09:51.590 --> 01:09:54.810
Jericho's a bigger star than Copeland, but trying to explain why,
1570
01:09:54.829 --> 01:09:58.229
because I keep thinking, okay, but Copeland had, Edge had
1571
01:09:58.250 --> 01:10:00.489
the feud with Cena, and then Christian Cage and TLC,
1572
01:10:00.529 --> 01:10:02.109
and you can talk about all the stuff, and the
1573
01:10:02.149 --> 01:10:04.970
Randy Orton greatest match ever, and everything in between. There's
1574
01:10:04.989 --> 01:10:08.850
so much there, but the totality of what Jericho did, international,
1575
01:10:09.869 --> 01:10:14.229
he was more cutting edge, he reinvented himself so many times,
1576
01:10:15.220 --> 01:10:19.189
match quality better, not a dig at edge edge was
1577
01:10:19.229 --> 01:10:24.789
really good but um jericho was better and so yeah
1578
01:10:24.810 --> 01:10:25.989
i don't know with your thoughts.
1579
01:10:26.590 --> 01:10:28.909
And even even um the thing with with jericho too
1580
01:10:29.010 --> 01:10:31.649
is i mean i actually was i wrote into the
1581
01:10:31.909 --> 01:10:34.229
90s past cast about it uh when i was mad
1582
01:10:34.270 --> 01:10:36.729
about uh him beating nick wayne but i did say
1583
01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:39.279
like in the the era they're in in a couple
1584
01:10:39.300 --> 01:10:41.140
of years he's probably one of my favorite probably is
1585
01:10:41.180 --> 01:10:44.380
my favorite wrestler at the time like he's he definitely
1586
01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:47.689
connected with the younger crowd. Cause I'm, I'm like 1920
1587
01:10:47.689 --> 01:10:50.569
at that point. Um, he's definitely connected with like me
1588
01:10:50.970 --> 01:10:53.289
and everybody like that. And then his transfer over, he
1589
01:10:53.350 --> 01:10:55.930
still has the greatest, probably the greatest debut ever.
1590
01:10:56.729 --> 01:10:59.109
Like when they, when everyone was jumping ship back and forth.
1591
01:10:59.170 --> 01:11:02.239
But in WCW and WWF back then his debut for
1592
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:04.939
raw is like, I still can see it, like everything
1593
01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:09.270
that happened to it. So, um, you've got that aspect, uh, he,
1594
01:11:09.289 --> 01:11:11.470
you know, the, the one that he always talked about
1595
01:11:11.510 --> 01:11:14.029
in WWE was the, that he beat the rock and
1596
01:11:14.090 --> 01:11:17.329
sit and, uh, stone cold in the same night, all
1597
01:11:17.350 --> 01:11:18.029
that fun stuff.
1598
01:11:18.569 --> 01:11:20.869
Did he mention that ever after it happened? Oh yeah.
1599
01:11:20.970 --> 01:11:21.369
Every week.
1600
01:11:21.470 --> 01:11:23.310
Yeah. As he should.
1601
01:11:23.390 --> 01:11:25.229
Right. Just like Nick Wayne, Nick Wayne should say he
1602
01:11:25.250 --> 01:11:28.229
beat the first ever AEW champion forever when he does it.
1603
01:11:28.260 --> 01:11:30.890
So, um, no, I'm, I'm, I'm with it.
1604
01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:34.250
Uh, but yeah, it's, I, I, I was wondering if
1605
01:11:34.310 --> 01:11:37.890
my biases of my love for young Jericho was teething,
1606
01:11:37.909 --> 01:11:41.880
but I would probably go Jericho.
1607
01:11:41.939 --> 01:11:43.619
Even when he was the top guy, he was never
1608
01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:44.380
really the top guy.
1609
01:11:44.460 --> 01:11:46.960
Even when he won the world title, there was all
1610
01:11:46.979 --> 01:11:52.010
of that shenanigans with Vince McMahon. It's a good debate, though.
1611
01:11:52.060 --> 01:11:54.229
That is one that is way closer than you would think.
1612
01:11:54.390 --> 01:12:01.750
I think if we ran a poll, who is a
1613
01:12:01.750 --> 01:12:05.369
bigger star? Maybe we will. I think it would be
1614
01:12:05.989 --> 01:12:09.649
like 85% would say Jericho is a bigger star. I
1615
01:12:09.710 --> 01:12:11.529
think it would be that. I do. I think it
1616
01:12:11.550 --> 01:12:13.930
would be that decisive. I think if we added nuance
1617
01:12:14.149 --> 01:12:16.750
and said, who is a bigger star and by how much?
1618
01:12:16.970 --> 01:12:19.369
Jericho by a little, Jericho by a lot. I think
1619
01:12:19.390 --> 01:12:21.750
Jericho by a little would get a little more than
1620
01:12:21.789 --> 01:12:24.930
half of the votes that Jericho got. But I still
1621
01:12:25.770 --> 01:12:27.100
think so. I think a lot of people would think
1622
01:12:27.109 --> 01:12:30.699
Jericho was a much bigger star than Copeland compared to
1623
01:12:31.060 --> 01:12:32.880
people thinking Copeland was a much bigger star than Jericho.
1624
01:12:33.460 --> 01:12:35.260
So we'll see. Maybe I'll create that poll. We'll put
1625
01:12:35.300 --> 01:12:38.020
it on PWTorch. It's kind of a fun exercise to
1626
01:12:38.060 --> 01:12:39.560
get a little bit of a sample there.
1627
01:12:40.420 --> 01:12:40.819
Yeah.
1628
01:12:41.970 --> 01:12:45.649
So I'm keeping an eye on... Did Darby win or lose?
1629
01:12:45.770 --> 01:12:47.510
I know that just turned into chaos.
1630
01:12:47.550 --> 01:12:47.869
He won.
1631
01:12:48.449 --> 01:12:48.770
Yeah, he won.
1632
01:12:48.789 --> 01:12:49.069
He won.
1633
01:12:49.149 --> 01:12:51.149
All right. So he got beat up afterwards. And then
1634
01:12:51.189 --> 01:12:58.430
Copeland accidentally speared, of course, Ospreay. So that gives them...
1635
01:12:58.390 --> 01:13:00.670
So we had the chaos at the end. You know,
1636
01:13:00.689 --> 01:13:01.970
when we talk about, well, they didn't do enough to
1637
01:13:01.989 --> 01:13:05.640
build up, I want to call it capital carnage or
1638
01:13:06.100 --> 01:13:10.569
clockwork orange, but clockwork carnage. They, at the end of
1639
01:13:10.590 --> 01:13:12.550
the show, I mean, if people stuck around for an
1640
01:13:12.569 --> 01:13:14.529
hour or three and a half hours, which is how
1641
01:13:14.550 --> 01:13:18.170
long this went, they saw, you know, the chaos of everybody,
1642
01:13:18.350 --> 01:13:20.989
just about everybody in that match. And then some in
1643
01:13:21.029 --> 01:13:22.840
a chaotic brawl at the end, which is a little,
1644
01:13:23.300 --> 01:13:24.979
you know, tropey, but it's fine. I mean, given the,
1645
01:13:25.359 --> 01:13:27.949
given the timeframe that they had and the context and,
1646
01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:30.619
everyone kind of taking turns beating each other or taking
1647
01:13:30.659 --> 01:13:32.649
shots at each other who's in the matches. A way
1648
01:13:32.670 --> 01:13:33.970
to end on a high note and go, ah, they're
1649
01:13:33.989 --> 01:13:37.210
going to be locked in a carnage match on Saturday.
1650
01:13:37.250 --> 01:13:37.390
Yeah.
1651
01:13:38.109 --> 01:13:42.500
Yeah, no, no, it's good. Again, this is just, it's
1652
01:13:42.539 --> 01:13:44.420
been weird. The shows have just been weird and just
1653
01:13:44.460 --> 01:13:48.539
been different. And again, it's understandable. It's absolutely understandable.
1654
01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:53.439
Yeah, yeah. I'm glad they didn't let Lance Archer chokeslam
1655
01:13:53.449 --> 01:13:55.800
both Speedball and Will Asprey and that they broke a
1656
01:13:55.840 --> 01:13:56.760
super kick to him out of the ring.
1657
01:13:57.220 --> 01:13:58.399
Thank goodness.
1658
01:13:58.939 --> 01:14:00.640
You don't have to give an obligatory moment to the
1659
01:14:00.659 --> 01:14:04.399
big guy who has a 2-102 record in AEW or
1660
01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:08.029
something close to that. Speaking of numbers and records, Derek
1661
01:14:08.050 --> 01:14:10.930
Mitchell says, MJF, thank you for the super chat, Derek.
1662
01:14:10.949 --> 01:14:13.649
Super chat. Love it. MJF is number one in the
1663
01:14:13.670 --> 01:14:16.409
PWI 500 in 2026, the last person in AEW to
1664
01:14:16.430 --> 01:14:19.680
be number one since Omega in 2021. Just not a
1665
01:14:19.699 --> 01:14:23.479
fan of AEW pandering to PWI like WWE does with ESPN.
1666
01:14:24.180 --> 01:14:26.810
I don't think it felt like pandering. It felt like
1667
01:14:27.239 --> 01:14:34.369
acknowledging this legacy brand of an unaffiliated magazine named MJF
1668
01:14:34.390 --> 01:14:38.770
number one. I think also MJF wants that to be mentioned,
1669
01:14:39.090 --> 01:14:42.520
and I think he should. Because when you got Will
1670
01:14:42.569 --> 01:14:45.960
Asprey and Roman Reigns or whoever, Cody Rhodes, to be
1671
01:14:46.020 --> 01:14:47.000
ranked number one, that's a big deal.
1672
01:14:48.819 --> 01:14:52.010
I took this as MJF's video.
1673
01:14:53.109 --> 01:15:02.920
He sent this in. The narration felt more official. Yeah.
1674
01:15:03.819 --> 01:15:06.039
So did the PWI 500 not come out? Was this fake?
1675
01:15:07.180 --> 01:15:07.500
Oh, no, no.
1676
01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:11.770
I'm saying it was like, no, MJF is gloating. that
1677
01:15:11.890 --> 01:15:14.409
he's he's done this and he's he wrote this and
1678
01:15:14.479 --> 01:15:16.239
he made this that that's why i took it was
1679
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:19.500
it just kind of because there's just the verbiage some
1680
01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:20.720
of the things the guy was saying was i was
1681
01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:22.819
chuckling under my breath about it but yeah like i
1682
01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:25.649
i felt like this was actually mjf mjf sent this
1683
01:15:25.729 --> 01:15:27.569
in and and tony khan's gonna play it because you
1684
01:15:27.590 --> 01:15:30.090
know oh this is my video touting me winning the
1685
01:15:30.130 --> 01:15:33.069
pwi 500 so yeah and we also know tony khan
1686
01:15:33.090 --> 01:15:34.829
doesn't really care what goes on this television show.
1687
01:15:35.529 --> 01:15:39.119
It's possible you're obviously right but in watching it and
1688
01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:41.239
maybe i was kind of half half watching or but
1689
01:15:41.260 --> 01:15:43.479
i think i've paid attention it came across to me
1690
01:15:43.930 --> 01:15:46.869
like aw is wants to make a big deal out
1691
01:15:46.909 --> 01:15:49.329
of mgf winning this because yay roman reigns didn't cody
1692
01:15:49.369 --> 01:15:53.630
roads didn't um so we're doing it but i like
1693
01:15:53.670 --> 01:15:56.189
i said you you could you certainly could be right
1694
01:15:56.229 --> 01:15:57.810
so chat jump in if you want to give your
1695
01:15:57.850 --> 01:15:58.409
opinion on this.
1696
01:15:58.970 --> 01:16:01.069
I hope i'm right because it's definitely better if i'm
1697
01:16:01.109 --> 01:16:03.189
right than than them pandering to the pwi 500 yes
1698
01:16:03.210 --> 01:16:03.829
yeah yeah yeah.
1699
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:10.539
Yeah, and MJF, Derek says Excalibur narrated it, so it
1700
01:16:10.579 --> 01:16:15.319
did come from AEW. That was Excalibur? I didn't know
1701
01:16:15.350 --> 01:16:16.970
if it was Excalibur, but it felt like it.
1702
01:16:16.970 --> 01:16:20.750
Are you sure about that, Derek? Yeah, it felt like
1703
01:16:20.789 --> 01:16:22.449
a movie guy narrating it.
1704
01:16:23.289 --> 01:16:27.670
Yeah, chime in chat, let us know. Derek Mitchell, by
1705
01:16:27.689 --> 01:16:30.949
the way, speaking of Derek, goes Jericho's WWE is the
1706
01:16:31.220 --> 01:16:33.340
best in WWE history along with his legendary feud with
1707
01:16:33.399 --> 01:16:37.180
Shawn Michaels. Uh, one of the best moments in the
1708
01:16:37.260 --> 01:16:39.739
false title win in 2000 at Penn state with Earl
1709
01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:42.159
Hebner as the ref and APA holding off.
1710
01:16:42.670 --> 01:16:43.270
Oh my gosh.
1711
01:16:43.310 --> 01:16:43.869
Yeah.
1712
01:16:43.909 --> 01:16:44.409
I remember that.
1713
01:16:44.449 --> 01:16:46.989
That was, that was, yeah. When they stripped him with
1714
01:16:47.010 --> 01:16:48.649
the title, like right after, but yeah, that was great.
1715
01:16:48.909 --> 01:16:50.489
That was great too. I forgot about that.
1716
01:16:51.689 --> 01:16:54.449
Uh, let's, let's see. Zach Barber says, I agree. Jericho
1717
01:16:54.470 --> 01:16:56.279
had a better career, but Copeland is still watchful in
1718
01:16:56.300 --> 01:16:56.600
the ring.
1719
01:16:56.619 --> 01:16:57.020
Jericho.
1720
01:16:57.979 --> 01:17:02.539
Not so. Um, yeah, I mean, I get that Copeland, Copeland,
1721
01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:06.130
Copeland is, uh, where Jericho was a few years ago,
1722
01:17:06.409 --> 01:17:09.180
you know, in-ring-wise. You know, less mileage.
1723
01:17:09.199 --> 01:17:09.819
I don't know.
1724
01:17:10.859 --> 01:17:13.539
Tonight felt a little rough. Like, tonight he seemed blown
1725
01:17:13.600 --> 01:17:16.680
up in quite a few spots. Tonight felt like, when
1726
01:17:16.699 --> 01:17:19.140
he announced his retirement afterwards, I thought, oh, maybe he
1727
01:17:19.180 --> 01:17:21.829
was meaning to act like that in the ring.
1728
01:17:21.850 --> 01:17:22.170
Yeah, really.
1729
01:17:22.189 --> 01:17:24.050
Because there were a couple times he went to lift
1730
01:17:24.069 --> 01:17:25.689
some people and he just couldn't get them up. Yeah,
1731
01:17:26.149 --> 01:17:29.590
so I felt like Copeland's like, yeah. It was his
1732
01:17:29.649 --> 01:17:33.260
first singles match also on AEW in 18 months. He
1733
01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:36.819
had one on Maple Leaf Pro Wrestling a couple weeks ago.
1734
01:17:37.260 --> 01:17:39.100
But yeah, he hasn't wrestled at a singles match. He's
1735
01:17:39.140 --> 01:17:41.689
only had one in 18 months. So that probably had
1736
01:17:41.789 --> 01:17:42.600
a part of it.
1737
01:17:42.869 --> 01:17:47.409
Yeah, absolutely. By the way, Root Dog in the chat said,
1738
01:17:47.430 --> 01:17:50.840
what did you think of Walker Stewart's commentary on Dynamite?
1739
01:17:51.739 --> 01:17:56.029
Dennis? Oh, I like his voice. I think he's got
1740
01:17:56.390 --> 01:18:00.520
a really good voice. Yeah, yeah. But he also does.
1741
01:18:01.270 --> 01:18:03.640
Did he learn from Excalibur to just laugh and chuckle
1742
01:18:03.680 --> 01:18:05.020
when people are doing big moves?
1743
01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:06.199
Because he did that quite a few times.
1744
01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:06.739
Yeah.
1745
01:18:07.319 --> 01:18:09.859
And he was there to kind of just provide a factoid.
1746
01:18:09.880 --> 01:18:11.159
He's okay. Yeah.
1747
01:18:11.340 --> 01:18:12.819
It was sort of like, here's a fact, here's a fact.
1748
01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:15.260
And he was fine, but there were stretches where I
1749
01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:18.039
was like, oh, that's right. He didn't seem to have
1750
01:18:18.060 --> 01:18:20.840
a real good sense of when to interject himself. He
1751
01:18:20.859 --> 01:18:25.210
didn't want to step on shabani and an excalibur and
1752
01:18:25.329 --> 01:18:28.250
i don't know to me it feels like there's a
1753
01:18:28.270 --> 01:18:30.560
little bit of a decent quite a bit of an
1754
01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:33.979
overlap between excalibur and walker in terms of what they
1755
01:18:34.020 --> 01:18:37.239
can add like i don't think they're complementary so it
1756
01:18:37.260 --> 01:18:39.619
just i don't know if excalibur was freezing him out
1757
01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:41.279
or he just was in the flow and didn't really
1758
01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:43.630
he's not good at working with somebody new who doesn't
1759
01:18:43.649 --> 01:18:45.609
really he can't throw to him and say you know
1760
01:18:46.170 --> 01:18:48.729
like he does to nigel or just an obvious question
1761
01:18:48.750 --> 01:18:51.369
to an ex-wrestler or test when ex wrestler. So, or,
1762
01:18:51.449 --> 01:18:53.270
or Danielson, of course, those are the other, that's the
1763
01:18:53.310 --> 01:18:56.260
other group. So I don't know. Rude dog said, I
1764
01:18:56.270 --> 01:18:59.199
think he was a plus to the commentary team. Yeah.
1765
01:19:01.060 --> 01:19:04.079
I mean, I agree. I would rather it be one,
1766
01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:06.560
either him or Excalibur. I agree.
1767
01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:08.479
They do kind of like overstep each other and not
1768
01:19:08.539 --> 01:19:11.520
having the wrestler there because you've got the pitch man,
1769
01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:13.770
which is Shabani, who is just.
1770
01:19:13.869 --> 01:19:15.989
AEW is the greatest ever, all the time.
1771
01:19:16.270 --> 01:19:19.170
And then you've got Excalibur, who's just moves, moves, moves.
1772
01:19:19.210 --> 01:19:21.890
And I assume Walker's a mixture of the two of them.
1773
01:19:22.609 --> 01:19:25.850
I don't watch enough New Japan to really have heard
1774
01:19:25.890 --> 01:19:27.710
a ton of him other than on his pay reviews
1775
01:19:27.729 --> 01:19:29.630
every once in a while. But yeah, I definitely miss
1776
01:19:29.670 --> 01:19:33.829
Taz tonight. I love Taz on commentary. So, yeah, I
1777
01:19:33.850 --> 01:19:34.829
definitely miss him being there.
1778
01:19:35.670 --> 01:19:37.569
And they could just do a two-man booth. It didn't
1779
01:19:37.590 --> 01:19:39.909
feel like there was a good reason for Walker to
1780
01:19:39.930 --> 01:19:43.880
be there. Derek says, I think he sounds like a
1781
01:19:43.899 --> 01:19:48.199
professional no-frills announcer. Yeah, just didn't really have an obvious
1782
01:19:48.979 --> 01:19:55.350
purpose otherwise for why he was there. iPhone users, if
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01:19:55.359 --> 01:19:57.369
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search PWTorch in your Apple Podcast app. Uh, Dennis, uh,
1799
01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:50.810
anything in particular you want to bring up from the show?
1800
01:20:50.829 --> 01:20:53.430
We haven't talked about everything yet. Um, anything else jump out?
1801
01:20:54.229 --> 01:20:58.350
Yeah. So I, the only go home pro promo tonight
1802
01:20:58.409 --> 01:21:00.550
was from the new level. Is that, that right?
1803
01:21:00.909 --> 01:21:02.989
Oh, we should talk about that. Cause I felt they took,
1804
01:21:03.189 --> 01:21:05.350
it felt like 15 minutes to say a minute's worth
1805
01:21:05.390 --> 01:21:08.989
of material and they were just in love with each other. Yep. Yeah.
1806
01:21:09.010 --> 01:21:09.170
Yeah.
1807
01:21:09.229 --> 01:21:11.729
The comedian was, he, he didn't, he didn't make me laugh. Like,
1808
01:21:12.069 --> 01:21:12.470
I don't know.
1809
01:21:12.590 --> 01:21:14.729
I've never seen him before, but yeah, he, he definitely
1810
01:21:14.770 --> 01:21:17.050
was kind of funny. Um, so I, that was, that
1811
01:21:17.090 --> 01:21:19.350
wasn't a down, a bad thing at all. Uh, but
1812
01:21:19.909 --> 01:21:23.149
it did, that did feel like forever though. They just
1813
01:21:23.220 --> 01:21:26.239
dragged a little bit, but yeah, yeah.
1814
01:21:26.359 --> 01:21:28.680
So it's, I don't know. I don't know.
1815
01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:30.840
But that match I am, I am looking forward to,
1816
01:21:30.859 --> 01:21:32.560
I'm glad that they made sure to point out that
1817
01:21:32.619 --> 01:21:34.199
swear wasn't there tonight, but he will be at the
1818
01:21:34.220 --> 01:21:37.159
pay-per-view cause I would have been worried and not being there. Um,
1819
01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:39.060
and they're saying there's something with his family. Like, so
1820
01:21:39.079 --> 01:21:41.359
I'm glad that they did say that, uh, I think
1821
01:21:41.380 --> 01:21:44.810
that match will be good. I think the combustible element
1822
01:21:44.890 --> 01:21:48.229
of swerve and, and hang man is anytime you're going
1823
01:21:48.250 --> 01:21:50.289
to put them together from here on out. I think
1824
01:21:50.329 --> 01:21:52.000
it's always going to work as long as you don't
1825
01:21:52.039 --> 01:21:54.000
do it all the time and you don't kill, kill
1826
01:21:54.020 --> 01:21:56.939
the feud off. Like, like they, like, uh, as you know,
1827
01:21:56.960 --> 01:21:59.380
that's happened to plenty of, plenty of people in the past. Um,
1828
01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:01.789
but yeah, I think that, that you can always bring
1829
01:22:01.810 --> 01:22:04.050
them back together, either when they're in a trios, they
1830
01:22:04.069 --> 01:22:06.270
could come back in a tag together, you know, that
1831
01:22:06.310 --> 01:22:09.989
was singles match together. It's also possible that that's how
1832
01:22:10.310 --> 01:22:12.500
eventually I think I've heard this. I don't know where
1833
01:22:12.520 --> 01:22:14.300
I heard this, but I think someone threw out that
1834
01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:16.880
that's how hangman gets a shot and wins the title
1835
01:22:16.899 --> 01:22:19.239
again is, is when swerve finally wins the title.
1836
01:22:19.260 --> 01:22:20.359
And he's like, I gotta beat you.
1837
01:22:20.960 --> 01:22:23.319
Again uh something like that but um yeah i think
1838
01:22:23.390 --> 01:22:25.369
i think that that combustible element is going to make
1839
01:22:25.409 --> 01:22:28.069
this match really really good uh really passionate i assume
1840
01:22:28.109 --> 01:22:30.970
it probably opens uh the show i feel like that's
1841
01:22:31.189 --> 01:22:32.550
that's kind of been the thing for new level as
1842
01:22:32.569 --> 01:22:35.340
they come out i think they're first so yeah i
1843
01:22:35.350 --> 01:22:37.779
think that's gonna be good but otherwise no like the
1844
01:22:37.800 --> 01:22:41.199
show was just and it was there um again they
1845
01:22:41.220 --> 01:22:45.189
had they just oh oh yeah he He seemed very
1846
01:22:45.229 --> 01:22:46.779
happy to be with a bunch of big dudes, didn't he?
1847
01:22:47.329 --> 01:22:50.399
Did you notice that when he walked in? He was
1848
01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:52.279
happy to not be the biggest guy there.
1849
01:22:52.680 --> 01:22:55.800
But I don't know. The crowd was behind him, but
1850
01:22:55.819 --> 01:22:56.779
they were in his hometown.
1851
01:22:57.399 --> 01:23:01.979
So it's just getting him back on TV and trying
1852
01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:04.220
to establish a character for him and him not just
1853
01:23:04.260 --> 01:23:08.020
being another non-talking big dude in the Don Callis family
1854
01:23:08.060 --> 01:23:09.079
if you want him to be more.
1855
01:23:09.460 --> 01:23:12.449
But I think that ship may have sailed a long
1856
01:23:12.489 --> 01:23:12.770
time ago.
1857
01:23:14.689 --> 01:23:17.390
A couple other comments. Derek Mitchell said, that was the
1858
01:23:17.409 --> 01:23:19.529
worst new level appearance for me so far. WWE and
1859
01:23:19.550 --> 01:23:21.550
AW does put a C and D level entertainers. I
1860
01:23:21.569 --> 01:23:24.130
think most wrestling fans have no idea who they are.
1861
01:23:24.409 --> 01:23:26.390
Zach says, I had no idea who that comedian was.
1862
01:23:26.449 --> 01:23:29.189
Swerve needs more notable friends. And Rude Dog says, yeah,
1863
01:23:29.210 --> 01:23:31.029
who was that mojo guy with new level? Are we
1864
01:23:31.050 --> 01:23:37.189
supposed to know who that is? Yeah, it just, it, yeah,
1865
01:23:37.369 --> 01:23:39.609
it needed more of a purpose. It was generic and
1866
01:23:39.810 --> 01:23:42.890
a celebrity that, you know, they acted like everybody would
1867
01:23:42.909 --> 01:23:44.869
know who he was. And obviously not everybody did.
1868
01:23:45.670 --> 01:23:46.430
No, not at all.
1869
01:23:46.649 --> 01:23:46.989
Not at all.
1870
01:23:47.010 --> 01:23:48.869
I mean, and I liked, I liked the flow when
1871
01:23:48.890 --> 01:23:50.449
they were talking in the back and then they came out.
1872
01:23:50.470 --> 01:23:52.810
I thought that was cool. The beginning of it was nice.
1873
01:23:53.149 --> 01:23:55.689
And obviously new level gets a huge reaction because as
1874
01:23:55.710 --> 01:23:58.069
soon as they stopped talking, everyone stood up and started
1875
01:23:58.100 --> 01:23:59.939
jumping up and down and bounce into the music again.
1876
01:23:59.989 --> 01:24:02.300
So they, they get a reaction, but yeah, that, that
1877
01:24:02.340 --> 01:24:03.800
segment was just a little bit, just.
1878
01:24:03.699 --> 01:24:05.600
A little too long. Like, yeah.
1879
01:24:05.859 --> 01:24:08.260
So it felt, it felt like guys that have always
1880
01:24:08.300 --> 01:24:10.659
had direction and been told exactly what to say. Just,
1881
01:24:11.220 --> 01:24:13.960
and now have the ability to do whatever they want,
1882
01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:15.279
and they didn't really know what to do.
1883
01:24:16.180 --> 01:24:17.739
Yeah, I mean, it is one of those things where
1884
01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:20.800
you're like, oh, we don't do our shtick, and when
1885
01:24:20.819 --> 01:24:23.729
we don't do the WWE shtick, how do we fill time?
1886
01:24:23.810 --> 01:24:28.170
And part of it, too, is it's two baby-faced teams
1887
01:24:28.189 --> 01:24:29.850
facing each other, so it's not a lot they can
1888
01:24:30.229 --> 01:24:35.649
say that's going to get a crowd reaction. And so, oh,
1889
01:24:35.729 --> 01:24:38.430
you've got to beat us twice, or I don't know.
1890
01:24:38.979 --> 01:24:40.890
I mean, it's just, yeah, it didn't need to be
1891
01:24:40.909 --> 01:24:41.229
that long.
1892
01:24:41.909 --> 01:24:42.510
And what was it?
1893
01:24:42.550 --> 01:24:45.250
Was that a new catchphrase at the end? Is that,
1894
01:24:45.270 --> 01:24:47.550
was that a, was that, or is that an old catchphrase?
1895
01:24:47.649 --> 01:24:48.670
I'm not sure what they say.
1896
01:24:49.489 --> 01:24:52.640
I can't even remember. Like Kofi said, thank God. And
1897
01:24:52.680 --> 01:24:55.180
he was like screaming at the thing. And then Austin
1898
01:24:55.220 --> 01:24:56.640
screamed something into the mic. I don't even remember what
1899
01:24:56.659 --> 01:24:58.600
it was, but it felt like they're trying to get
1900
01:24:58.640 --> 01:25:00.640
over a new catchphrase now as well.
1901
01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:01.619
Yeah.
1902
01:25:02.430 --> 01:25:02.510
Yeah.
1903
01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:04.130
I'm not sure. We'll find out if they keep doing it.
1904
01:25:04.880 --> 01:25:05.399
Yeah.
1905
01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:08.239
Mark, Mark Biscotti says Jericho diminished his legacy in the
1906
01:25:08.279 --> 01:25:10.220
last two years, but until his decline, Jericho was a
1907
01:25:10.279 --> 01:25:13.140
level above edge. Okay.
1908
01:25:13.180 --> 01:25:13.319
Yeah.
1909
01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:16.600
Zach, Zach says they need the new level needed Swerve
1910
01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:17.100
to guide them.
1911
01:25:18.659 --> 01:25:18.939
Oh yeah.
1912
01:25:19.140 --> 01:25:19.779
Yeah. Yeah.
1913
01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:21.649
Swerve is obviously has been the glue a little bit,
1914
01:25:21.659 --> 01:25:23.510
I guess when they've been, when they've had a mic
1915
01:25:23.670 --> 01:25:25.510
in their hand, he's been there to kind of like
1916
01:25:25.529 --> 01:25:26.029
steer the ship.
1917
01:25:26.770 --> 01:25:27.029
Yeah.
1918
01:25:27.649 --> 01:25:30.590
Yeah. I mean, no, no huge damage done, but yeah.
1919
01:25:31.149 --> 01:25:31.329
No.
1920
01:25:31.409 --> 01:25:31.689
All right.
1921
01:25:31.869 --> 01:25:32.989
No, it'll be fine. Yeah.
1922
01:25:33.229 --> 01:25:33.390
Yeah.
1923
01:25:34.479 --> 01:25:36.180
Let's see. Is there anything else I flagged here? Going
1924
01:25:36.220 --> 01:25:37.859
back to Baron Von Rasche, by the way, Derek Mitchell said,
1925
01:25:37.899 --> 01:25:40.350
Baron's one of the most underrated characters in history across
1926
01:25:40.369 --> 01:25:47.850
AWA Georgia and Mid-Atlantic. Yes, for sure. And people are
1927
01:25:47.869 --> 01:25:50.470
talking about poor Max Caster shooting himself in the foot.
1928
01:25:53.590 --> 01:25:57.109
And yeah, so yeah, I guess that pretty much covers it.
1929
01:25:57.329 --> 01:25:59.810
I don't have anything else to add. Chad, if you
1930
01:25:59.829 --> 01:26:04.159
got anything last second you want to jump in with. Um,
1931
01:26:04.220 --> 01:26:08.500
you can do that. Um, otherwise, actually, uh, JB sent
1932
01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:10.039
in an email. So this is good. Let's see if he, uh,
1933
01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:15.779
he's got something for us. He's, um, in the, uh,
1934
01:26:15.939 --> 01:26:16.920
inbox here. All right.
1935
01:26:17.359 --> 01:26:18.100
Nice.
1936
01:26:18.439 --> 01:26:20.840
JB says, I'm curious where this absolutely unhinged Mox character
1937
01:26:20.859 --> 01:26:23.020
is going. Renee asked him what kind of pain he's in.
1938
01:26:23.060 --> 01:26:24.800
And he said, he's not sure that he can tell
1939
01:26:24.840 --> 01:26:26.899
the difference anymore. I assume that's alluding to the physical
1940
01:26:26.939 --> 01:26:29.000
pain of losing recent matches and the obvious mental pain
1941
01:26:29.020 --> 01:26:31.520
of losing Pac. Marina telling Mox the only way out
1942
01:26:31.600 --> 01:26:33.279
is through was also interesting.
1943
01:26:33.609 --> 01:26:33.850
Agree.
1944
01:26:34.710 --> 01:26:37.319
Nick Wayne's video package montage on, and by the way,
1945
01:26:37.350 --> 01:26:39.109
he watched Collision, so these are some notes that he
1946
01:26:39.149 --> 01:26:40.470
can add that we can't.
1947
01:26:40.550 --> 01:26:40.789
Awesome.
1948
01:26:40.810 --> 01:26:44.140
We're doing the show while it was on. Nick Wayne's
1949
01:26:44.159 --> 01:26:47.800
video package montage on nearing Jericho to five for fighting
1950
01:26:47.859 --> 01:26:51.470
song Superman was hilarious. Jericho's response to showing clips of
1951
01:26:51.510 --> 01:26:53.930
Wayne cheating to beat him was equally hilarious. Okay, I'm
1952
01:26:53.949 --> 01:26:54.510
looking forward to this.
1953
01:26:55.470 --> 01:26:55.949
It's going to be good.
1954
01:26:56.670 --> 01:26:58.909
Champ almost had a Samoa Joe-like cadence in their backstage
1955
01:26:58.930 --> 01:27:01.430
promo together tonight. Hopefully Joe is rubbing off on him.
1956
01:27:01.470 --> 01:27:03.710
I wonder if this pair will have a tag run together.
1957
01:27:04.130 --> 01:27:08.069
Would be good for them to do a promo together
1958
01:27:08.090 --> 01:27:11.770
after their match. Would be bad for them to do
1959
01:27:11.810 --> 01:27:13.710
a promo together if it was just a one-off. There's
1960
01:27:13.750 --> 01:27:16.069
a typo in there. Sorry, JB. I saw that you
1961
01:27:16.109 --> 01:27:18.729
had said early that AW is losing their chance for
1962
01:27:18.770 --> 01:27:21.380
Ospreay to be the guy, and I disagree. I disagree
1963
01:27:21.399 --> 01:27:23.439
a bit. His first feud after All In was a
1964
01:27:23.460 --> 01:27:25.720
huge culmination with his multi-month story with Mox It All Out.
1965
01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:28.189
Then Okada's match was announced for France. I give a
1966
01:27:28.199 --> 01:27:30.229
lot of grace for what's happened between All Out and Now,
1967
01:27:30.289 --> 01:27:32.689
since the death and tribute show to Pac took away
1968
01:27:32.729 --> 01:27:34.750
from an entire week of an already short build and
1969
01:27:34.810 --> 01:27:37.510
likely changed other plans. I think the Clockwork Carnage match
1970
01:27:37.529 --> 01:27:39.930
was likely inaudible, but I don't think that's a fair...
1971
01:27:39.670 --> 01:27:41.369
I don't think it's fair to say that one gimmick
1972
01:27:41.430 --> 01:27:43.600
is de-emphasizing all the good effort and evolution that's been
1973
01:27:43.609 --> 01:27:46.180
put into the Osprey character. So, I want to be clear.
1974
01:27:46.460 --> 01:27:49.800
I'm not against the Carnage match. I'm against... And again,
1975
01:27:50.159 --> 01:27:51.819
and this is where maybe they made up for it
1976
01:27:52.760 --> 01:27:55.239
in the main event post-match to a degree with all
1977
01:27:55.260 --> 01:27:59.109
the brawling and everything and what Ospreay did, but I
1978
01:27:59.149 --> 01:28:03.130
still will stand by otherwise that I think they should
1979
01:28:03.149 --> 01:28:05.430
have made the carnage match, not as much about the
1980
01:28:05.449 --> 01:28:09.050
gimmick and the qualifiers, but more about should, is this
1981
01:28:09.670 --> 01:28:11.449
something that Ospreay should be part of this early in
1982
01:28:11.489 --> 01:28:13.539
his reign? It's putting a title at risk in a
1983
01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:17.829
situation that he's never dealt with before. Um, the, the,
1984
01:28:17.890 --> 01:28:21.180
the possibilities, depending on who wins these qualifying matches is
1985
01:28:21.539 --> 01:28:23.779
as formidable of a challenge as any champion has faced
1986
01:28:23.859 --> 01:28:28.399
early in a rain. Um, and it's, uh, so I just,
1987
01:28:28.579 --> 01:28:30.819
you know, he could get hurt. He's on a roll.
1988
01:28:30.899 --> 01:28:33.189
He should be sticking to one-on-one matches, not participating in
1989
01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:35.390
something like this. There's whatever you can kind of pick
1990
01:28:35.430 --> 01:28:40.699
from that, but I want the conversation to be more
1991
01:28:40.819 --> 01:28:43.779
about Osprey and not have, hey, we got a concept match.
1992
01:28:43.819 --> 01:28:46.340
Isn't this cool? I'd rather have everything go through. How
1993
01:28:46.359 --> 01:28:49.069
does it affect Osprey? And I didn't get that sense tonight,
1994
01:28:49.350 --> 01:28:52.470
but I agree with the Tuesday night kind of mini
1995
01:28:52.510 --> 01:28:55.390
house show and then the POC tribute. I'm not going
1996
01:28:55.409 --> 01:29:00.140
to overreact to it, but I want to underline... don't let,
1997
01:29:00.560 --> 01:29:03.220
and then I guess what, I think what amplified or
1998
01:29:03.260 --> 01:29:06.560
exacerbated that feeling or kind of triggered it is just,
1999
01:29:06.699 --> 01:29:08.319
then he's being a goofball with speedball.
2000
01:29:08.539 --> 01:29:08.659
Yeah.
2001
01:29:09.180 --> 01:29:11.220
And, and so you see him not being serious and
2002
01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:15.149
even playing off of Andrade at ringside, you know, it's like, Oh, Andrade,
2003
01:29:15.189 --> 01:29:17.329
you're sorry, but that happened. Like, it's just, I want
2004
01:29:17.369 --> 01:29:20.409
him to like, act like this is serious business and
2005
01:29:20.449 --> 01:29:22.789
he is, he is the leader. And instead that's kind
2006
01:29:22.810 --> 01:29:26.319
of the mantle Moxley has. And, I don't want to
2007
01:29:26.340 --> 01:29:28.340
strip Ospreay. It's sort of like with Andrade, the playfulness.
2008
01:29:28.359 --> 01:29:31.619
Don't strip away his personality, but pick your spots and
2009
01:29:31.659 --> 01:29:33.819
make sure it's garnish and not the main course of
2010
01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:35.680
any week's presentation of him. Dennis.
2011
01:29:36.500 --> 01:29:37.500
Yeah, absolutely.
2012
01:29:37.539 --> 01:29:40.729
And I think that that's one thing you, if you
2013
01:29:40.739 --> 01:29:42.600
ever see Mox make a joke or smile, it is
2014
01:29:42.619 --> 01:29:44.109
never in the context of a match.
2015
01:29:44.270 --> 01:29:47.149
Like it is never in the context of a match.
2016
01:29:48.569 --> 01:29:54.420
So I think that that's huge. And again, I, I
2017
01:29:54.439 --> 01:29:56.920
guess the follow-up and what happens over the next few
2018
01:29:56.939 --> 01:30:01.060
weeks will really define what's going on with Will Ospreay.
2019
01:30:01.079 --> 01:30:05.550
And if this is him just kind of not understanding,
2020
01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:07.810
I don't know, just having bad instincts would be a
2021
01:30:07.810 --> 01:30:10.569
better thing on how he should be acting on American
2022
01:30:10.590 --> 01:30:11.689
television to get himself over.
2023
01:30:11.710 --> 01:30:12.930
Because this isn't the way.
2024
01:30:13.890 --> 01:30:16.149
I really thought that after the whole Mox thing that
2025
01:30:16.510 --> 01:30:20.210
this would be a far more serious guy. And it
2026
01:30:20.229 --> 01:30:23.770
just feels like the last... It's just not right now. And...
2027
01:30:24.369 --> 01:30:29.109
We'll see. Hopefully it gets better. It's not horrendous. They
2028
01:30:29.170 --> 01:30:32.029
haven't ruined him or anything like that. It's just kind
2029
01:30:32.050 --> 01:30:35.279
of like you're seeing signs and it's just like, uh-oh.
2030
01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:38.380
When we saw a month ago with Andrade, oh boy,
2031
01:30:38.779 --> 01:30:42.079
he likes this catchphrase too much. Look where he is now.
2032
01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:49.369
It's not Tony Khan's nature to make a show about somebody,
2033
01:30:49.630 --> 01:30:54.140
but I want early on because osprey's rain just feels
2034
01:30:54.149 --> 01:30:58.300
like another rain and they'll be fine i'm not saying
2035
01:30:58.359 --> 01:31:01.119
it's you know it's gonna it's gonna just devastate the
2036
01:31:01.140 --> 01:31:03.439
effectiveness of his title rain i just see an opportunity
2037
01:31:03.479 --> 01:31:05.909
that's not being taken and if you want to draw
2038
01:31:06.229 --> 01:31:07.789
if you want to draw above the level that they're
2039
01:31:07.810 --> 01:31:11.350
drawing in terms of attendance one of the keys is
2040
01:31:12.529 --> 01:31:15.979
don't sell the brand and the ensemble of the feuds
2041
01:31:16.020 --> 01:31:17.920
and the champions. You can have all of that at
2042
01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:19.739
the same level, the brand and all the other feuds,
2043
01:31:20.050 --> 01:31:25.090
but elevate somebody above that. And Ospreay winning a world
2044
01:31:25.130 --> 01:31:27.029
title gives you a chance to define him that way.
2045
01:31:27.050 --> 01:31:28.569
And when they don't, it's a bit of a tell
2046
01:31:29.109 --> 01:31:32.340
in that they don't feel he so obviously is a
2047
01:31:32.359 --> 01:31:35.840
bigger star than they've ever had that they don't feel
2048
01:31:35.960 --> 01:31:39.239
obligated to portray him that way. But he doesn't have
2049
01:31:39.260 --> 01:31:41.489
to be the biggest star they've ever had. for you
2050
01:31:41.550 --> 01:31:43.600
to tell the story that he is and to have
2051
01:31:43.619 --> 01:31:45.899
fans believe it because there's enough there to get that across.
2052
01:31:45.939 --> 01:31:48.779
And so it's just a matter of there's a group
2053
01:31:48.819 --> 01:31:50.579
of fans out there who are like, oh, A.W. is
2054
01:31:50.640 --> 01:31:51.800
nice for a number two company and they have a
2055
01:31:51.800 --> 01:31:54.239
lot of good matches. And those people are going to
2056
01:31:54.279 --> 01:31:55.819
go to those shows. What you want to do is
2057
01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:58.109
get a layer of fans who are like, I want
2058
01:31:58.130 --> 01:32:02.770
to see the biggest stars. And some might think Moxie's
2059
01:32:02.829 --> 01:32:04.789
the biggest star, MGF's the biggest star. Yeah, they might
2060
01:32:04.829 --> 01:32:07.949
think that, but that's them deciding it. You need to
2061
01:32:07.989 --> 01:32:10.750
decide for some fans sometimes, this is a guy, and
2062
01:32:10.789 --> 01:32:13.880
it's what WWE's doing with all the family. And AEW should,
2063
01:32:14.000 --> 01:32:16.319
you know, don't, obviously the push would be different, the narrative,
2064
01:32:16.600 --> 01:32:19.079
the framing of the character would be very different. But
2065
01:32:19.619 --> 01:32:22.340
look at what they're doing there and go, oh, we
2066
01:32:22.359 --> 01:32:25.100
could do that with Will, and maybe we would have
2067
01:32:25.149 --> 01:32:29.510
a transformational star who jumps off the lineup sheet as
2068
01:32:29.590 --> 01:32:33.850
more than just one of eight, you know, eight great wrestlers,
2069
01:32:33.909 --> 01:32:35.510
one of them, who happens to now have the world title.
2070
01:32:37.340 --> 01:32:37.739
Yeah, no.
2071
01:32:37.760 --> 01:32:38.340
And I agree.
2072
01:32:38.359 --> 01:32:41.140
And I think that, that also the fear or the
2073
01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:43.189
mindset of that, that, that they're dropping the ball a
2074
01:32:43.189 --> 01:32:45.689
little bit, it comes from what they've done in the past.
2075
01:32:45.729 --> 01:32:48.970
They've dropped the ball before, you know, they dropped it
2076
01:32:49.010 --> 01:32:51.369
with Adam pages first, his first time, they dropped the
2077
01:32:51.409 --> 01:32:52.909
ball his second time.
2078
01:32:52.970 --> 01:32:55.390
Like, I mean, that, that, that, that feud.
2079
01:32:55.170 --> 01:32:58.390
And him winning it all in, in 2025 and, And
2080
01:32:58.399 --> 01:33:01.069
then him losing the belt so quickly was just like,
2081
01:33:01.449 --> 01:33:03.270
what the heck did we just go through for a
2082
01:33:03.289 --> 01:33:05.949
year with Jon Moxley and everything? So no, I think
2083
01:33:05.970 --> 01:33:07.750
that that's the other part is that there, there is,
2084
01:33:07.789 --> 01:33:09.930
there is the fear that this has happened before and
2085
01:33:09.949 --> 01:33:11.010
you don't want to see it happen again.
2086
01:33:14.979 --> 01:33:18.000
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01:33:18.060 --> 01:33:21.619
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01:33:22.100 --> 01:33:24.279
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2094
01:33:47.500 --> 01:33:49.220
Finally, JB, as far as Collision goes, I'll push back
2095
01:33:49.279 --> 01:33:50.739
on the complaints about the booking of the machine guns.
2096
01:33:50.779 --> 01:33:53.880
It's been reported that guns requested to debut after September,
2097
01:33:53.960 --> 01:33:55.699
but that Tony Khan wanted them to make an appearance
2098
01:33:55.729 --> 01:33:58.369
in Detroit. in the meantime. And they wanted all the
2099
01:33:58.390 --> 01:34:00.229
legendary tag teams in the ring for the Wembley moment.
2100
01:34:00.449 --> 01:34:02.670
I don't really have a problem with that. Much like Copeland,
2101
01:34:02.689 --> 01:34:04.149
the Machine Guns are at the end of their careers
2102
01:34:04.189 --> 01:34:05.520
and they likely want to get in all the big
2103
01:34:05.560 --> 01:34:07.319
matches of some of the other teams that they respect.
2104
01:34:07.760 --> 01:34:09.579
I think this Best of Five series absolutely makes sense
2105
01:34:09.640 --> 01:34:14.220
given all of that context. So this, I mean, you know,
2106
01:34:14.539 --> 01:34:20.140
JB nicely puts it. Yeah, it's a pushback on our framing.
2107
01:34:20.380 --> 01:34:22.649
And I think it's a good, it's the best case
2108
01:34:22.670 --> 01:34:27.689
you can make because Wembley was special and tony khan
2109
01:34:27.729 --> 01:34:34.600
wants to have big moments on his pay-per-views and so
2110
01:34:35.699 --> 01:34:37.439
and then you want to have a make an appearance
2111
01:34:37.460 --> 01:34:39.460
in detroit i don't that's not as compelling.
2112
01:34:39.220 --> 01:34:42.159
To me that's the mistake that's the mistake yeah why
2113
01:34:42.180 --> 01:34:44.220
don't they just debut it if they debut at limley
2114
01:34:44.239 --> 01:34:46.199
think about that that's the first time we know they're
2115
01:34:46.220 --> 01:34:50.590
there yeah like that's huge like in in There hasn't
2116
01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:53.229
been a big debut in AEW at a pay-per-view, and
2117
01:34:53.310 --> 01:34:55.510
it seems like in a few pay-per-views, and that usually
2118
01:34:55.529 --> 01:34:56.630
is one of their things.
2119
01:34:56.710 --> 01:34:57.850
So I think that would have been bigger.
2120
01:34:58.909 --> 01:35:03.829
Yeah. The idea that they walk out, and again, almost
2121
01:35:03.869 --> 01:35:07.529
no reaction, don't have a lot to say, and they
2122
01:35:07.649 --> 01:35:12.100
were in a collision, those all mitigate the sense of
2123
01:35:12.140 --> 01:35:12.600
a moment.
2124
01:35:12.699 --> 01:35:12.880
Yeah.
2125
01:35:14.449 --> 01:35:16.470
Given the context, as JB says, I think the best
2126
01:35:16.529 --> 01:35:19.090
of five series absolutely makes sense given all of that context.
2127
01:35:19.270 --> 01:35:21.689
I'm good with the best of five series. I just
2128
01:35:21.710 --> 01:35:27.149
think there was momentum lost between Wembley and now. And
2129
01:35:27.289 --> 01:35:28.970
I don't have an exact answer for what to do
2130
01:35:28.989 --> 01:35:30.850
because they didn't want to distract from everything else going on.
2131
01:35:31.310 --> 01:35:35.140
But they do feel colder than I think they should,
2132
01:35:36.079 --> 01:35:38.920
than they had to. And I would give up the
2133
01:35:38.960 --> 01:35:42.199
Wembley moment to give them like tonight as a big, whoa.
2134
01:35:42.989 --> 01:35:45.329
moment I'm cool with that too yeah but I get
2135
01:35:45.350 --> 01:35:47.270
the counter argument to it you know I mean having
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01:35:47.289 --> 01:35:48.810
them have a moment to be at Wembley is cool
2137
01:35:48.890 --> 01:35:51.800
you know so maybe maybe Tony Khan you know was
2138
01:35:51.859 --> 01:35:55.359
torn you know maybe he was maybe he's like yeah
2139
01:35:55.380 --> 01:35:56.939
I get like you know if he's I get what
2140
01:35:56.960 --> 01:35:58.300
you guys are saying I thought the same thing but
2141
01:35:58.319 --> 01:35:59.979
ultimately I made this call to have him at Wembley
2142
01:36:00.020 --> 01:36:01.970
and yeah we paid a price but hopefully the best
2143
01:36:02.010 --> 01:36:03.609
of five series heats him up again and that reasonable
2144
01:36:03.630 --> 01:36:04.310
people could make that.
2145
01:36:04.250 --> 01:36:07.079
Argument And I think it'll happen.
2146
01:36:07.100 --> 01:36:08.739
I think, I think that it's once you get them
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01:36:08.779 --> 01:36:10.140
in the ring in front of the crowd and you,
2148
01:36:10.439 --> 01:36:12.779
you show the people that don't actually know them, what
2149
01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:15.119
they can do is, you know, I think I really
2150
01:36:15.149 --> 01:36:16.949
do think that's going to work and, and they're going
2151
01:36:16.970 --> 01:36:20.869
to mesh well with everybody else that's in the tag division. Yeah.
2152
01:36:21.789 --> 01:36:24.149
JB has some other points from dynamite. He said, it
2153
01:36:24.170 --> 01:36:25.750
feels like tonight's trails match in the Mox Davis at
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01:36:25.770 --> 01:36:28.170
Russell dream is all building to a death rider, callous family,
2155
01:36:28.550 --> 01:36:30.090
blood and guts match in a few weeks. I think
2156
01:36:30.130 --> 01:36:33.630
that originally they were building to an Osprey Osprey is
2157
01:36:33.750 --> 01:36:36.590
United Empire versus death riders. blood and guts match until
2158
01:36:36.630 --> 01:36:38.270
pox and timely death. Now it feels as though the
2159
01:36:38.289 --> 01:36:39.930
death riders are going to, going to go through a
2160
01:36:39.970 --> 01:36:43.920
true baby face arc before they eventually disband. Um, yeah,
2161
01:36:43.960 --> 01:36:45.840
I'd like, I don't, they have to be baby faces, right?
2162
01:36:45.859 --> 01:36:46.100
Dennis.
2163
01:36:47.020 --> 01:36:48.520
Oh yeah. I even wrote that down.
2164
01:36:48.560 --> 01:36:50.560
I said that like when they came in, they were
2165
01:36:50.600 --> 01:36:52.270
pumping the crowd up their baby faces.
2166
01:36:52.350 --> 01:36:55.250
Now they, they are like, there's no doubt about it. Yeah.
2167
01:36:55.470 --> 01:36:55.670
Yeah.
2168
01:36:56.789 --> 01:36:58.350
I'm kind of curious to see how this unexpected singles
2169
01:36:58.390 --> 01:37:00.229
run for Copeland will go while Christian is out injured.
2170
01:37:00.800 --> 01:37:03.079
I can't imagine the story of Copeland and Christian is
2171
01:37:03.119 --> 01:37:05.439
completely over yet, but obviously Copeland announced tonight that next
2172
01:37:05.460 --> 01:37:06.800
year will be his final year in pro wrestling. I
2173
01:37:06.819 --> 01:37:09.140
wonder if his last match will be in a tag
2174
01:37:09.159 --> 01:37:13.000
with Christian or possibly against Christian. It could be him
2175
01:37:13.060 --> 01:37:17.140
losing a world title match toss spray at Wembley, although
2176
01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:18.640
I think they'll get to that sooner based on the
2177
01:37:18.680 --> 01:37:20.500
spear tonight, unless that's just part of building up the
2178
01:37:20.539 --> 01:37:21.039
carnage match.
2179
01:37:21.850 --> 01:37:23.850
Yeah, no, but I think something like what you're saying,
2180
01:37:24.149 --> 01:37:26.010
even if it's not, if it's not Offsbury, if it's
2181
01:37:26.050 --> 01:37:29.460
somebody else, I think him going out, he, he might
2182
01:37:29.479 --> 01:37:31.300
want to go out losing, you know, and losing in
2183
01:37:31.340 --> 01:37:33.680
the title matches. Like he's pretty, it's a pretty cool
2184
01:37:33.720 --> 01:37:34.880
way to go out. That's a pretty cool way to
2185
01:37:34.920 --> 01:37:37.060
go out for sure. Not everyone is going to get
2186
01:37:37.079 --> 01:37:37.760
the sting treatment.
2187
01:37:39.020 --> 01:37:41.250
Right. No, exactly. And yeah, I'm trying to think like
2188
01:37:41.710 --> 01:37:43.470
who would be, I mean, there's, they can tell a
2189
01:37:43.510 --> 01:37:46.430
story between now and then that makes sense to me.
2190
01:37:46.449 --> 01:37:48.250
And maybe it, maybe it's against Kyle Fletcher and he
2191
01:37:48.329 --> 01:37:50.529
loses to Fletcher. And I mean, there's so many places
2192
01:37:50.569 --> 01:37:52.989
we can get over the next year. Um, but if
2193
01:37:53.029 --> 01:37:54.789
he has a, if he had a retirement match, let's
2194
01:37:54.829 --> 01:37:58.229
say it is at Wembley. Um, I don't know. Match
2195
01:37:58.250 --> 01:38:02.010
against Christian. I'd be, it'd be fine. You know, I'd
2196
01:38:02.050 --> 01:38:04.770
rather have it not feel like a greatest hits, but
2197
01:38:04.869 --> 01:38:06.550
trying to, you know, put somebody else over and something
2198
01:38:06.590 --> 01:38:07.029
more fresh.
2199
01:38:08.050 --> 01:38:08.289
I agree.
2200
01:38:08.310 --> 01:38:10.130
I agree with that completely. I think that, I think
2201
01:38:10.170 --> 01:38:10.609
you do that.
2202
01:38:11.149 --> 01:38:13.569
They can have the pay-per-view before, you know, his last
2203
01:38:13.609 --> 01:38:16.119
match can be the second to his last second to last.
2204
01:38:16.020 --> 01:38:17.819
Pay-per-view can be against Christian. And I think that that
2205
01:38:17.859 --> 01:38:18.659
works perfectly.
2206
01:38:18.680 --> 01:38:22.600
Yeah. Um, Is Copeland going to have to run through
2207
01:38:22.619 --> 01:38:24.340
the Callis family on his run to the world title?
2208
01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:25.859
Will he get involved in the blood and guts match?
2209
01:38:25.899 --> 01:38:28.069
It's cool. His retirement will come on the 30th anniversary
2210
01:38:28.090 --> 01:38:30.659
of his start in WWE. developmental.
2211
01:38:30.960 --> 01:38:31.119
Yeah.
2212
01:38:32.180 --> 01:38:33.579
That's cool.
2213
01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:35.560
I'm glad for the second Dynamite in a row, they've
2214
01:38:35.579 --> 01:38:37.510
had a video package of Rene going over step by
2215
01:38:37.569 --> 01:38:43.789
step the rules to the Clockwork Carnage match. We didn't
2216
01:38:43.869 --> 01:38:48.060
end up fully understanding the championship part. At least I didn't.
2217
01:38:48.149 --> 01:38:49.979
But And a couple of people in the chat too.
2218
01:38:50.140 --> 01:38:53.439
But yes, the rules, I think were worth going over
2219
01:38:53.479 --> 01:38:55.979
with the video. And that part, I definitely give a
2220
01:38:56.000 --> 01:38:58.010
thumbs up too. And I like saying it's like, it's
2221
01:38:58.020 --> 01:39:03.010
like gauntlet meets Iron Man. People know that. And they're like, oh, okay.
2222
01:39:03.130 --> 01:39:04.609
So we're just melding these two things together.
2223
01:39:05.489 --> 01:39:07.189
So many versions of each. So yeah.
2224
01:39:08.010 --> 01:39:08.210
Yeah.
2225
01:39:08.430 --> 01:39:12.130
Yep. Let's see. I like the diversity of the United Empire.
2226
01:39:12.149 --> 01:39:14.109
You've got a British flair with the male Osprey and
2227
01:39:14.149 --> 01:39:16.729
females and Hater and Windsor, the French Canadian and Speedball
2228
01:39:16.750 --> 01:39:17.720
and the Latin flavor and Andrade.
2229
01:39:17.729 --> 01:39:17.810
Okay.
2230
01:39:18.310 --> 01:39:20.529
It's still very early on, but the backstage promo tonight,
2231
01:39:20.750 --> 01:39:23.029
I did feel a good amount of chemistry between the members,
2232
01:39:23.109 --> 01:39:25.289
and it's good to see them interacting all together. I
2233
01:39:25.350 --> 01:39:27.529
feel as if Ilya will be a good fit for
2234
01:39:27.560 --> 01:39:31.619
the group when he eventually debuts, Ilya Dragunov. By the way,
2235
01:39:31.760 --> 01:39:35.100
Dragunov could end up being goofy, too. In the ring,
2236
01:39:35.180 --> 01:39:37.880
he's so over-the-top emotive with facial expressions and stuff, so
2237
01:39:38.380 --> 01:39:41.619
this could be... Yeah, I don't know. JB, we are
2238
01:39:41.739 --> 01:39:44.300
not as high on the chemistry. I mean, there was chemistry,
2239
01:39:45.100 --> 01:39:48.130
but I'm not high on it. If that makes sense.
2240
01:39:48.229 --> 01:39:51.130
Was there, I mean, there was chemistry because, because there's,
2241
01:39:51.170 --> 01:39:54.369
there is chemistry between Bailey or speedball and, and Will.
2242
01:39:54.430 --> 01:39:56.229
And then Will's wife was there. So of course there
2243
01:39:56.270 --> 01:39:58.739
was some sort of chemistry in there. Andrade just standing
2244
01:39:58.779 --> 01:40:01.020
on the side, just fell out. And he just felt weird.
2245
01:40:01.279 --> 01:40:03.979
Like it felt weird him being there completely. So I,
2246
01:40:04.319 --> 01:40:06.220
I don't know. I, I'm glad, I'm glad JB liked it.
2247
01:40:06.300 --> 01:40:06.659
That's cool.
2248
01:40:06.819 --> 01:40:07.180
That's good.
2249
01:40:07.720 --> 01:40:08.649
Yeah. I'm glad somebody did.
2250
01:40:10.010 --> 01:40:11.630
I like Brody King being the voice of reason for hangman.
2251
01:40:11.649 --> 01:40:13.489
When he loses his cool in the moment, Brody plays
2252
01:40:13.510 --> 01:40:17.130
a good, serious yet reasonable character. um yeah brody does
2253
01:40:17.170 --> 01:40:19.060
seem like the guy who would be cooling down a
2254
01:40:19.060 --> 01:40:23.260
bar fight not escalating it i'm curious how to catch
2255
01:40:23.279 --> 01:40:25.439
an okada will interact in the clockwork yeah that'll be
2256
01:40:25.460 --> 01:40:29.060
good i like how they use person illustrated naming mjf
2257
01:40:29.090 --> 01:40:31.609
the rest of 2026 and storyline with mjf cocky sound
2258
01:40:31.649 --> 01:40:35.310
bites along the way furthering his arrogant heel character i
2259
01:40:35.350 --> 01:40:37.369
like that new level of remain mostly serious during the
2260
01:40:37.409 --> 01:40:39.130
run in aw so far sure there have been brief
2261
01:40:39.170 --> 01:40:42.430
moments of levity like when their comedian friend But they
2262
01:40:42.449 --> 01:40:43.510
always seem to be able to bring it back to
2263
01:40:43.550 --> 01:40:46.949
being about the Trios titles. No goofy props or dumb
2264
01:40:46.989 --> 01:40:50.630
songs to this point. Yeah, I'm not advocating for a
2265
01:40:50.649 --> 01:40:52.670
return to what WWE is doing. I just think they
2266
01:40:52.689 --> 01:40:54.430
could have gotten to their point quicker. And I think
2267
01:40:54.470 --> 01:40:58.250
they have the handicap or the headwind of it's a
2268
01:40:58.369 --> 01:41:01.680
Trios title feud. But there's not a lot to talk
2269
01:41:01.720 --> 01:41:04.979
about because it doesn't feel personal. And even if it is,
2270
01:41:05.020 --> 01:41:07.359
fans are sort of torn in who to cheer for.
2271
01:41:08.039 --> 01:41:10.319
And the Trios titles don't have a history of meaning
2272
01:41:10.340 --> 01:41:13.689
a lot. And so, I don't know. I mean, the
2273
01:41:13.770 --> 01:41:16.630
absence of irritants with the new level in AW is
2274
01:41:16.670 --> 01:41:19.189
a positive, but they need to kind of figure out
2275
01:41:19.210 --> 01:41:21.689
what their voice is going to be otherwise. And I
2276
01:41:21.720 --> 01:41:24.119
think they're just in a situation that isn't ideal for that.
2277
01:41:24.359 --> 01:41:26.539
Titles that don't mean a lot, Swerve not there this week,
2278
01:41:26.840 --> 01:41:29.680
a comedian people don't know that well, not a lot
2279
01:41:29.720 --> 01:41:32.039
to say in facing babyface opponents, and then just having
2280
01:41:32.060 --> 01:41:34.060
too much time to fill or spending too much time
2281
01:41:34.100 --> 01:41:37.350
out there. Just a bunch of paper cuts that made
2282
01:41:37.390 --> 01:41:40.159
it not work. Yeah, no, I agree.
2283
01:41:40.359 --> 01:41:43.100
Yeah, we talked enough about that. It was just a
2284
01:41:43.199 --> 01:41:44.060
weird segment. So, yeah.
2285
01:41:45.220 --> 01:41:46.539
And then finally, he says, I think that either Joe
2286
01:41:46.579 --> 01:41:48.539
or Ciampa will be Ospreay's next singles challenger coming out
2287
01:41:48.579 --> 01:41:50.770
of clockwork, where I assume Ospreay will retain his title.
2288
01:41:50.779 --> 01:41:52.449
My preference would be Joe, and I think they'll go
2289
01:41:52.489 --> 01:41:54.789
that way since he got the submission win tonight. Although
2290
01:41:54.810 --> 01:41:56.510
he does have that badass appeal and legacy that will
2291
01:41:56.529 --> 01:41:58.270
always get him some cheers, even when he's playing a
2292
01:41:58.310 --> 01:42:01.670
compelling heel. As always, love the show and go VIP. Thanks, JB.
2293
01:42:01.789 --> 01:42:03.289
Anything you want to add to that, Dennis?
2294
01:42:04.100 --> 01:42:05.149
No, no, I think I'm good.
2295
01:42:05.680 --> 01:42:06.439
Yeah, cool.
2296
01:42:06.600 --> 01:42:06.800
All right.
2297
01:42:08.039 --> 01:42:09.979
I will jump back in the chat to see if
2298
01:42:10.020 --> 01:42:14.420
anybody had anything to add. Rudak said, yeah, the Machine
2299
01:42:14.460 --> 01:42:17.300
Guns weren't even on Dynamite. Their debut was on Collision.
2300
01:42:17.699 --> 01:42:19.279
Yeah, yeah.
2301
01:42:19.899 --> 01:42:21.930
He says, Okada's getting more and more fan support, kind
2302
01:42:21.970 --> 01:42:24.369
of getting undeniable as a babyface. Yeah, I think Okada's
2303
01:42:24.390 --> 01:42:26.350
going to be a fun babyface, and that should come
2304
01:42:26.630 --> 01:42:28.489
sooner than later.
2305
01:42:28.510 --> 01:42:28.850
Definitely.
2306
01:42:29.569 --> 01:42:29.770
Yeah.
2307
01:42:30.489 --> 01:42:31.010
All right, cool.
2308
01:42:31.930 --> 01:42:34.909
So, everybody, go VIP. Don't miss out on all the
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01:42:47.119 --> 01:42:49.899
We'll talk to you soon. Thanks to everybody in the chat,
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01:42:55.090 --> 01:42:57.390
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01:42:57.399 --> 01:43:00.170
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2316
01:43:00.189 --> 01:43:03.890
email with some additional context for what happened around the collision.
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01:43:03.909 --> 01:43:06.850
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