5 YRS AGO SMACKDOWN & RAW POST-SHOWS: Becky pregnancy, MITB hype and fallout, Hacker Returns, Mystery Partner main event, Little Ricky, more

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Now PW Torch brings you the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling
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Post Show. We're bringing you a double header today on
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the way Keller Pro Wrestling post Show of our flashback
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to the final episode of WWETV a SmackDown before Money
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in the Bank five years ago, and then the episode
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of Raw the next Monday after Money in the Bank.
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So double header today on the way Keller Pro Wrestling
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post show for Tuesday, May thirteenth, twenty twenty five. First up,
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the May eighth, twenty twenty episode of WWE SmackDown with
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a final build for Money in the Bank. I talked
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about that with Progressling dot Net's Jake Barnett, who was
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my co host that night. Also Sonya Devel against Mandy
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Rose and Mister Partner in the main event, The Mysterious
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Hacker returns, and more with live callers and emails, and
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then the Raw post show from May eleventh, twenty twenty,
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I was joined by Zach Hadorn from PW Torch to
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talk about that night's episode with a dozen live callers.
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We discussed Becky's pregnancy, Seth's dishevelment, Osca's elation, plus the
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return of Little Ricky edgend Randy Orton, MVP of Advising
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Bobby Lashley, the return of the Iconics, Money at the
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Bank fallout, SHANEA. Basler, and much more so. Let's get
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to it again. These shows originally aired live five years
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ago this weekend. It is today's Way Keller Pro Wrestling
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post show five years ago Flashbacks, Zach. This almost feels
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like the Raw after WrestleMania, with big news items like
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the Viking Raiders really can play basketball and decided to
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just intentionally tank the entire game so they could surprise
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surprise the straight Profits with a slam dunk. But no,
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we had Edgen Randy Orton in a memorable confrontation on
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the show. But certainly the headlines everywhere are about Becky
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Lynch announcing that she is pregnant and she gave up
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her Raw Women's title, and she revealed inside the Money
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in the Bank briefcase is a championship title belt hers,
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the one that was hers, and she presented it to
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Oscar not without a little drama, which I'll get into
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that that might have taken away from the moment for
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me a little bit, since I thought Becky was about
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to deliver awful terrible news and as Oscar is celebrating
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in the announcements, like so, I I question their their
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their decision making on on how this all played out,
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but exciting news for Becky. Seth seems as stunned as
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any father has ever been. I I we could speculate
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on why, maybe he's just timing things out in his head,
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you don't go on way wait a second, or imagining
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if the life he's chosen in recent months zach is
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is really proper, or if this is a you know,
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a good house type of household to bring a child into.
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I don't know, but yeah, you're you're you're initial reaction.
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I mean there's the personal side of it, there's the
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way they played it out on the show, and then
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there's just the ramifications on WWE for the next year
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or so, at least without Becky Lynch arguably arguably their
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top star and certainly a top four or five star.
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Yeah, that's I mean personal stuff first. I mean, obviously,
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you know, that's great news for Becky and for Seth.
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I mean it's always, you know, if you're just always
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good news, and it was it was nice to see
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Becky show some emotion on there.
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You could tell.
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I think she was really genuine in terms of how
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she presented herself. You could tell she really felt the
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feeling of, Okay, what it's going to be like to
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not be on the.
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Show and to not be in the ring.
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But also when she talked about being a mother, you
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got a sense of joy there too, which is exactly
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how it should be. So on a personal level, that's
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that's obviously great news. Outside of that, though, from a
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business angle, is the first thing that I that I
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really thought of, even before analyzing Okay, how is this
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playing out right now? The thought that was beaming in
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my head was, I mean, this is a big loss
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for WWE. I mean, Becky Lynch has become a top
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tier star on Raw and during this time period where
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the ratings on Raw and SmackDown both are are plumbing
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to two incredibly low levels, they need star power more
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than ever. You know, I have to I have to
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assume that that's why Edge and Randy Jorton are being.
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Brought back for this.
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I mean, they need that star power and Becky Becky
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provided that, and she really did. She's been a focal
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point of the show for a long time now, and
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they really are gonna miss having that star power, not
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just in the women's division, which needs it, but just
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the whole entirety of the show. I think it's a
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it's a significant hit on the business.
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Side for w w E.
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In regards to how they how it played out, I
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thought it was it worked well.
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I I think.
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They really set it up where you felt like, Okay,
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is this gonna be some bad news? And if you
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if you avoided social media all day and you didn't
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know what the heck Becky was was talking about, I
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don't think she gave you any reason to think it
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wasn't bad news until she until she revealed the good news.
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So that was a little bit questionable.
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But I also think kind of revealing and revealing it in.
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That way set up Osca to kind of be, you know,
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kind of almost turned babyface. You know, she was able
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to be happy about the belt and gain the title.
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Becky put her over a bit in that way, and
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then she also was able to show that compassionate side
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of her as she embraced Becky when when she heard
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the good news about Becky being a mom. So I
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feel like the setup was more so to kind of
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push Oscar to that babyface side of the aisle more
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so than it was to kind of put Becky and
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make her announcement feel more more logical, because it certainly
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would have made more sense to have her kick off
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the show just telling the world that she's pregnant and
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then you know, going out with the belt. So I
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think the focus there was was on Oscia as a
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baby face.
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Now think about this in a real world setup. Becky's
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out there crying about to announce she is dying of
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something horrible and painful. That that's her demeanor if you
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didn't have any other inclination. And then Osca goes, oh,
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but I get a championship. I'm going to just in
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the face of this woman who's crying and apparently for
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all anybody knows, about to deliver this horrible news. Because
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we've been through this before with a champion giving up
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a title, she decides to run around obliviously and cheer.
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I didn't find that particularly endearing. Now, I mean, it's
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professional wrestling mixing with real life and I and I
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get the point you're making, but it sort of came
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across as a little self centered. It's it's it's like
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someone is you know, talking to you, breaking news to
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you that they think they're going to ask for a divorce,
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and then they get a message on their phone that
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their favorite team won and they're like yeah, and you know,
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the other person's like the so I don't know. Yeah,
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it's a little tough to the film.
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No, that's true, that's true. But you know, Becky did
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kind of put her over there.
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Becky didn't say yep, nope, you're you're the champ now,
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you know, and then she kind of celebrated.
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So but a.
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Yes, a decent a decent person would say, well, thank you,
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but what about you? Are you okay anyway? I mean,
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I'm having some fun with this. But it was like
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the announcers were just underline my point.
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Though.
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The announcers were standing there as Osca's dancing and celebrating,
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and they're looking like loop, there's a lump in their throat.
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What's Becky doing? What's she talking about? And so I
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didn't get to really, you know, I don't think America
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got to celebrate with OSCA because they were so preoccupied
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with Becky and I genuinely, I genuinely think Becky should
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have announced come out and said I have really exciting news.
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I'm pregnant obviously. As a result of that, I'm going
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to relinquish the title. But I want to call Osco
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out here. She has the money in the bank briefcase.
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Please bring it out with you, Osca. I'm not gonna
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lay down in the ring for you. I'm not medically
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cleared obviously. However, I have a surprise for you. You
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haven't looked in the briefcase yet. Boom. I mean, I
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just I would have played it more straight. I thought
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they were too clever by half and and frankly, just
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been through too many fake dramas. And we've also been
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through some legit sad news, you know, Danny brid announcing retirement,
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Ed announcing retirement, Roman Regins announcing cancer was back, and
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I thought they were they were exploiting those situations in
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a way that ultimately was counterproductive to getting to enjoy
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two things, the Becky announcement and Osca being champion and
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being delighted about it. And I think Osca celebrating after
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Becky sort of gave her permission to you know, hey,
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go go go enjoy yourself. Don't worry about me. I've
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got other things going on, and I'm excited about those,
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but you're champion. I would have liked it that way.
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I didn't like I honestly, I didn't. I mean, I'm
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sort of joking around it, but I didn't like them there.
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I strongly disagree with their approach to to revealing everything tonight.
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Yeah, I mean, that's what they I mean, the bottom
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line is, that's that's what they get for some of
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the silliness that they that they put on their their
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shows when when things don't matter as much. I mean,
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if you constantly do you know, the bait and switch stuff,
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and you constantly do Alexa Bliss being all nice to
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the fans and then turning on you know, the more
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you do that when you really need something like that
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or you really want to go to that, it doesn't
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have the effect it should have because you yourself have
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watered it down so many times before that. So this, yeah,
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this is nothing that I'm you know, not falling on
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the sword and not dying on this hill or anything.
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But I mean, I just think that they it's not
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so much tonight, but they really do.
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They gotta be careful because you never know when you're
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gonna need, you know, something like.
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This alike today and it would have been nice had
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they had a clean slate as far as that went.
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But ww without Pecky Lynch means Hosco's gonna have to
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step up, Basil's gonna have to step up. I wonder
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if they would redo the Basiler Becky finish at this point,
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knowing if they although if Basil wins, beats OSCA and
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goes on a tear for the next year, I mean,
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they've got a big money match and Becky coming back
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to take you know, take her belt backs, so it
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sets up something down the line, and in the meantime,
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it takes our off TV during an awkward era. But yeah,
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like you said, they they need star power, and having
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Becky back on the show felt like, oh good, Okay,
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you know we're finally after the Wrestumenia lull, we got
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edge Orton showing up. It feels, you know, for a while,
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it just sort of felt like the party no one
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wanted to be at, and you don't want ron to
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feel that way, and I think viewers were picking up
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I don't want to talk about everything because we have
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a lot of callers on hold and I want them
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to introduce the conversation in their order. Plus it's time
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to posit and introduce ourselves and set the table. This
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is the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Post Show for Monday
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May eleventh, twenty twenty. I'm Wayde Keller, host of the program,
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and I am joined by PW torch dot com Raw
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Alternate TV Perspective reporter Zach Hadorn, who also hosts the
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VIP Bruce Mitchell Mailbag podcast every week and also has
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his own podcast and Zach, Welcome to the show. There's
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so many pullet points for you.
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Now yeah, it's great. It's great to be here waye.
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Thanks for having me as always, and like you said,
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we gotta got a lot to talk about.
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I thought it was a show that had.
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Some very very important things and some very very strange
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things all at the same time.
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Ah yeah, I mean Little Ricky's back. Yep. Yeah, Okay,
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Well see, let's let's give out the phone numbers. It's
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So let's uh, let's go ahead and begin with aera
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code four zero two. You are up first, Go ahead,
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state your name and where you're calling from.
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Sure, this is the Sam from Nebraska.
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Hey Sam, good to hear from you. So what did
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you think of raw?
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I thought it was kind of a weird show, for sure,
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especially with.
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The back half.
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I guess one thing I was wanting to.
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Talk about was just because there was a lot of
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it last week with particularly in the gaulle.
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But like some of the rules and how they're having
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the officials the rest get involved these days is really counterproductive.
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I think, for like.
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Tonight with the tag match and how.
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They got why did they Why did Seth and Murphy
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get disqualified?
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I don't even know.
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And of course the last week with the lashly.
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Was eliminated because he was just beating up Umberto too bad.
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So I'm just curious with your guys' thoughts.
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On why they're doing that right now, because I get
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super counterproductive.
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Yeah, and it would have been so easy to solve
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because when when Seth locked the six one nine, the
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f called for the bell and I had the same
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thought you did, Sam, What what what? That's not enough?
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And then he threw Ray into the barricade hard and
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you know, started beating him up. I'm like, well, why
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not call for the bell then? Like I mean, it's
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just you just there's like these kind of low IQ
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moments from a booking standpoint where they just say okay,
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and then you'll get dq'ed and nobody thinks, like, shouldn't
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Seth or Ray go wait a second, that's not a
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DQ based on any viewer's history of watching WWE. How
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about you call for the DQ after I throw him
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into the barricade and kick him in the face. So
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I don't get that that jumped out to me too,
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Adobe he doesn't think it's important. But as your call
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illustrates Sam and and Holp my reaction to it, and
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I think a lot of people's. I think fans crave
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a structure to the rules and a consistency to how
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they're applied, or if they're applied inconsistently. It's for a reason,
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and the announcers pointed out, and it serves a purpose
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of some kind and I'm you can have latitude in
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that way. Did that jump out to you at Alsa?
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Absolutely, yep, no, no question did And I had the
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same I was like, wait, that's it.
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I mean literally probably, I don't.
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I can go back and watch, but I mean I
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think they they fought on the outside of the ring,
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use the barricade and a handful of different matches on
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the show, so it's like, I, yeah, I was confused
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by the same thing. And then, like you said, Wade,
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I don't think it's a it's a hard thing to
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get by. Just have Seth do something underhanded like they.
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I mean, even like I don't want to.
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You're gonna hate me for saying this, and it's gonna
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come back and bite all of us. But even like
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a low blow or something like that, you know, something
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that's clearly illegal would have been just obvious, and then
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you could have gone, Okay, there's the DQ and then
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you can do this exact same angle afterwards, but just
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have some consistency there.
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I think people would appreciate that.
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Or foreshadow with an eye rake like the vicious ee
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rake or just you know, yank ray like a ragged
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all into the end of the barricade and uh, you know,
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and the Reft just looks and I'd like the Reft
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to hesitate too, Like I know this might be premature,
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but God, look at what Sets doing to this guy.
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And yeah, yeah, it's just you know, I mean, it
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comes across as as thoughtless or lazy or even just
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sort of disrespectful to the way that they tell their
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story and disrespectful to the fans that they think they
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don't care about that stuff. And I just it is
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it's more than a straighten your time moment when it
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comes to that finish.
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Well.
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Yeah, and also you know, something like that Iraq lowblow whatever,
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you know, that'll get more heat on Set, you know
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what I mean, Like, he didn't even really do anything
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wrong here, yet he's supposed to be the heel. You
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take it to an extra step and tell the story
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the right way. He gets more heat and raise more
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sympathetic and the story clicks back.
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Yeah. The last thing you want is a heel having
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sympathy for the raft prematurely just qualifying him. That's very unproductive.
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All right, stand back to you any follow up or
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a dishal points.
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Yeah.
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The only other thing I really wanted to point out
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and I'm sure everyone else talked about other things.
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Do you guys get the feeling like I did that the.
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Basketball game stuff was supposed to be more spread out
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throughout the show and then they just like, we're like,
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oh crap.
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We we forgot to put some of these DIDs.
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We're gonna do them all in a row then, because
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it seemed like it was pretty tired.
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Definitely by the I mean it was tired by the
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end of the.
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First one, but just doing all those segments all in
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a row, it's just like this is getting old. It
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didn't cross my mind. I'm trying to think if they
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ever presented it as if like this game is going
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on and we're just cutting to it, it might have
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been I don't know if that had been better or
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worse to go more than two segments, but they if
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they were shorter snippets and it was sort of like,
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stay tuned, you know, we'll get an update on how
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the game is going after this, and they kind of
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weave that into the show at least during maybe the
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last hour fifteen minutes or something. I don't know if
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they would have gotten more out of it, and if
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that's a good thing as opposed to just sort of
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a long, you know, sequence of highlights as Zach, I mean,
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your thoughts on that, and what did you think of
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this road they're traveling with a Viking Raiders. I'm I'm there.
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I don't even quite know how to frame what they're
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turning them into. But you know, they were nothing before this,
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you know, but I sort of fear they're just turning
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into the Ascension sequel, where we're just turning these tough
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guys into the butt of jokes.
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No, I mean, that's exactly what they're turning into. I mean,
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I I think the last couple of weeks, you know,
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when look, here's the bottom line.
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When you when you present these two teams, the.
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Viking Raiders and the Street Profits as you know, competitors
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and in an athletic way, in a sports like way,
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I think you can tell the story that they're telling that, Hey,
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the Street Profits are you know, I have a hard
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time beating the Viking Raiders.
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They're the they're they're boil.
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And I think you can tell that story and I
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think that works even on like a mid card level.
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But taking it to this to this place, it not
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only hurts, you know, the tag team division. It hurts
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the tag team championships obviously, it hurts you know, the
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street profits, but it really hurts the Viking Raiders because
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they they have a gimmick that's already silly and in
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a lot of ways, and you have to really watch
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and give it a lot of.
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Rope to to to.
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To be on board with what they do, and then
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to compound that with with comedy stuff like this, like
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like the basketball stuff or their their karaoke angle and
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the skit from from about a month ago, like none
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of it adds up. They're they're one of the most
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inconsistent you know acts, that's that's on raw right now.
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I don't think fans know how to know how to
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feel about them, and that hurts. It hurts their matches,
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It hurts their credibility. I think it hurts their ability
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to even get in that ring, you know, and have
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a match from this point on, because they are that
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that kind.
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Of comedic team right now.
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And I don't know, I don't know how high the
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Viking Raiders ceiling is, but I think it's it's higher
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than this. And again, WWE for a long time here
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is going to have many hours of programming and they
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need to have teams and acts that can get in
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that ring and and have and have matches on these
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shows that mean something. And I don't know that the
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Viking Raiders can pull that off at this point, given
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what has happened to them throughout the last month.
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Well what do you think, Sam of just the tone
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that they're taking.
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I mean, so much of this I'm just actually earlier
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like this is this is the bushwhackers of today.
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Yeah, and I think they're talented, but yeah, it just
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seems like they're they're the bushwhackers now.
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Yeah. Yeah, I mean I've I have sort of promised
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w w E and in myself too, that I would
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be a little more liberal in what I accept under
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these strange circumstances, and that things that stray away from
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the traditional exact structure that Ron SmackDown have had for
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two plus decades. And if they take chances and leave
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the ring and do pre recorded stuff and and take
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take time to do more character development, because it's just
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two or three straight hours of empty arena matches, can
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it adds up? And I think it wears people down.
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And I'm not as down on empty arena wrestling as
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some people like I'm just the obsession that some people
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have with oh my god, there's not fans. It's like,
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I don't I think it's like the reaction is like
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a little too and I don't know. I mean to
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teach their own, but like, I can just watch people wrestle,
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and if there's not a crowd there and they're doing
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nice work, I can appreciate. It's not it's not a
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but that said, even me who's more forgiving of this
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and not just like I could never watch this. I'm
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too good for this or it's awful, And I just
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don't feel that way. I also don't want to watch
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two straight hours of it. And I think wwe is
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is absolutely aware of that. And and and I think
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that that this basketball skit, I don't want to be
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too hard on it, in part because I'm I just
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I want them to take chances. I want them to
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do different things, and I think they're just looking for
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ways to fill TV time and develop characters a little
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bit more. And they looked at the Viking Raiders and said,
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what can we do with these guys? We can't have
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them be you know, badass mid eighties road warriors that
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sort of pass and it went on a crowd reacting
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to them, and it's not really how they come across,
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and it's just grunting under red lights with a close
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up of them is not care development. And so it's
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sort of like if someone else has a better idea presented,
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but we are going to, you know, make them the
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bushwhacker buddies of the Street Profits right now and try
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to fill some TV time with some lighthearted comedy. And like,
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it's probably not the direction I would go in, but
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I'm not as harsh on it considering that I really
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do want them taking chances and doing different things, and
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they can always kind of hit They're gonna be able
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to hit the reset button on a good number of
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things once the crowds are back.
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Yeah, I mean I do give them props for taking chances.
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I just in this case, I'm definitely more down on
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it than you are, way just and I just I
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don't know why the basketball matters that for some reason
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really turned me off on the on what they did
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tonight was like seeing the Street Profits so upset that
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they lost at a basketball game.
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To them, I'm just like, well, that's fine.
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I mean, really that doesn't matter because all they need
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to do is win at wrestling, right, and so I
484
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just that's.
485
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Just didn't connect with me in that regard. I'll be it.
486
00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:02.240
It was something a little bit different to try.
487
00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:05.920
Yeah, I mean I didn't take any of it seriously.
488
00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:09.240
I mean other than the street profits were like, you
489
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guys think you can beat us at anything, try basketball.
490
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I mean, and it's sort of cliche too, but I
491
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mean the idea that I mean I got a kick
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00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:18.079
out of the Viking Raiders not understanding how it worked
493
00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:20.559
and taking a little I mean when I say I
494
00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:22.079
got a kick out of it, I mean the idea that, oh,
495
00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:23.680
the bow goes in the basket. It was like, that's
496
00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:26.519
a little obvious, like I wish, but but I mean
497
00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:29.759
I was like, I was, you know, amused enough at
498
00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:33.279
the obvious jokes playing themselves out that I didn't like,
499
00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:35.799
you know, hate it. But I don't know, I mean,
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I really feel like there's I don't know, I I'm
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not I'm I'm sympathetic to the challenges of trying to
502
00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:47.559
figure out what to do right now, and and I'm
503
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I really want to like it, not stifle create, you know,
504
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chances being taken. But I also want chances being taken
505
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to be done in sort of a sensible way going
506
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through a filter that is at has some standard to it,
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and this is you know, right at that borderline. Uh, Sam,
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anything else?
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No?
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No, a lot?
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Yeah, it's great. Great here from you. Thanks, let's go
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to two or three, next two or three. Thanks for call,
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going to state your name and where you're calling from.
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Hey, wait, and Zach's Kyle from naug Tech, Connecticut.
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Hey, Kyle, good to hear from you. Yeah, so, uh
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thumbs up or down?
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Oh?
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Go ahead? I'm sorry.
519
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Oh, I usually email the sixt This is actually.
520
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The first time I called so awesome.
521
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Yeah.
522
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So it's a it's sort of like a weird question
523
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or comment. Do they have to kind of start to
524
00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:46.680
plan ahead more with the women's division? This is the
525
00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:50.039
second time that like the dominant champion has sort.
526
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.279
Of left to start a family. Yeah, it's a weird.
527
00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:57.039
You can't like tell them not to. But Becky left now,
528
00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:00.240
I mean Ronda left. Becky's leaving now who knows when
529
00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:02.000
she comes back. She actually put a comment on like
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00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:04.160
Instagram that said, like she doesn't know what's next.
531
00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:05.799
Yeah, do they have to.
532
00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:08.759
Like plan with like, you know, not having the top
533
00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:10.759
two stars like Charlynne Becketts.
534
00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:12.000
It like they have to start building people up a
535
00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:13.920
little bit more. It's a weird problem to have, but like,
536
00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:14.960
how do you combat that?
537
00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:18.640
Yeah, I mean, I'm all for depth, I'm all for
538
00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:20.200
having more stars than you know what to do with.
539
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:25.359
And I mean injuries can decimate your your roster. I
540
00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:28.200
mean how many times have major stars, you know, Triple
541
00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:31.160
H for instance, been injured and out Steve Austin with
542
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:33.440
a neck injury, Rock going to movie. They faced this
543
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:37.759
with men and women, And so I mean the idea is, yeah,
544
00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:40.039
don't I mean, you when you have a start, you
545
00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:41.359
want to invest in them and you want to go
546
00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:43.279
all in with them, but you've got to be ready
547
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:45.599
for that backup plan, and you want to keep other
548
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:47.519
people strong who are able to step up. You got
549
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:50.400
to have a bench. And if there's been a weakness
550
00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:54.119
in Vincent Man's booking in recent years and years and years,
551
00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:59.480
it's he doesn't tend to plan well, uh, with a
552
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:04.640
sense of not desperation, but a sense of determination to
553
00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:06.720
make sure that if if one or two or three
554
00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:09.920
top acts go down, he's he's got one or two
555
00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:12.400
or three other acts ready. To go, and I just
556
00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:14.400
don't think he's consistently good in that way. And the
557
00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.400
women's division is a real example of that. I mean
558
00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:21.440
that just I mean Oscar has been, you know, treated
559
00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:23.240
as a comedy figure, but I mean Kyrie saying was
560
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:27.000
jobbed out. But you know, Basler, for whatever strategy, will
561
00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:29.119
never fully understand or we'll never get to see how
562
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:31.920
it would have played out, lost in her first big match.
563
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:34.960
So yeah, I mean, Zach, your thoughts on that specifically
564
00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:36.920
and Vinci's track record historically.
565
00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:38.839
Yeah, I agree, I mean, I agree.
566
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:41.000
I think it's not I don't think it's an issue
567
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.119
that's just in the women's division because of women possibly
568
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:47.200
getting pregnant, But it's just it's across the board.
569
00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:49.920
I mean, you have to be ready. It could be injury,
570
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:51.400
could be some other kind of illness, it.
571
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:54.680
Could be it could be anything, and you need to
572
00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:57.640
have stars ready to go. I think in this instance,
573
00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:00.480
specifically with Becky Lynch, it's it's kind of range how
574
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:02.519
it all played out, because I think Oscar kind of
575
00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:05.880
Vince kind of lucked into Oscar being even though she's
576
00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:09.039
not like at a peak, peak boiling point right now.
577
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:10.960
I think he at least turned the heat up on
578
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:13.839
her a little bit once they went to the crowdless.
579
00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:16.200
Arena where it made sense to do this.
580
00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:17.559
You know, to give her the money in the bank
581
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:21.440
win slash, you know, the championship. And but you know,
582
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:22.880
even on the men's side of things, like if you
583
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:27.640
take Drew McIntyre off this show, you know what big
584
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:30.440
stars are left on it right now, like significant big stars,
585
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.480
seth rollins maybe. I mean there's the same issues on
586
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:36.359
on the men's side too. So without question, you've got
587
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:38.680
to have depth, like you said, Wade, and I think
588
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:41.559
that that does mean planning ahead, that does mean looking out,
589
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:44.160
you know, twelve eighteen months, okay, where do you want
590
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:47.160
to be at this time? And obviously leaving yourself room
591
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:51.039
to maneuver and change things as you go. But you
592
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:53.599
got to have the pieces on the board, if you will,
593
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:56.440
to get from point A to point B just in
594
00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:59.359
case something does happen and then and if nothing.
595
00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:01.400
Ever happens, then you have a lot of stars. And
596
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:02.440
that's not a bad thing either.
597
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:05.880
Yeah, yeah, uh coup back to you. I mean, it
598
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.319
seems like in a way you also you're focusing on
599
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:12.920
like the women in particular, and trying to plan for
600
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:14.759
that more. And I don't think we've had a lot
601
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of instances. I mean, you bring up the two most recent,
602
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:18.440
but I don't think we've had a lot of instances
603
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:22.119
of this happening. And I obviously, WW, you would have
604
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:26.119
to step carefully for all kinds of reasons in terms
605
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of you know, hey, let us know, because it is
606
00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:32.480
one of those unfair things about human life is you know,
607
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:35.119
women need to step away from their careers and men don't.
608
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:37.920
So you hate to build that in. But that said,
609
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:40.279
because it can happen, just like injuries, you you ought
610
00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:44.279
to be planning for it and assume assume it might
611
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happen and be prepared.
612
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:48.720
Yeah, no, I mean I agree. I'm not definitely not
613
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:50.960
saying they have to like control who gets pregnant and when.
614
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:52.680
But you know, when you are, you know, like you
615
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:54.759
were saying before, when you are like a top star,
616
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:58.160
I don't know if it's like a courtesy's say, like
617
00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:00.200
and maybe she did, maybe she did say, you know,
618
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.960
FYI were trying and you know this might happen. But yeah,
619
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:05.440
like you guys are saying, go on to the days
620
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:07.960
of when you had like, you know, six possible champions,
621
00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:09.680
you know, I remember, you know, it could have been
622
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:12.319
like Kurt Angle and Rock and Austin and Triple H
623
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:15.400
and Undertaker Kane and they seem to have to heat
624
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:19.119
people up these days women and then, so hopefully they
625
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:20.039
planned better.
626
00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:21.799
But that's all I got. Thanks for taking the call
627
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:22.960
than tonight, guys.
628
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:24.680
Hey, Kyle, before you go till them up for down
629
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on the basketball game.
630
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:29.599
Yes, I mean I didn't watch. I'm sure they're doing
631
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:33.359
the basketball game. Just try just that's what I do.
632
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:34.839
I listen to you guys, and I actually don't.
633
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:36.160
Watch, Okay, fair enough.
634
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:39.119
Yeah, I think they're probably trying to play off the
635
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:40.319
last stands on ESPN.
636
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:42.319
I would imagine, yeah, that they're.
637
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:45.079
In a documentary, but I mean that's not necessary. They
638
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.000
were fine when they were just the war Raiders.
639
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:51.559
But yeah whatever, Yeah, all right, cool, Well, hey, thank
640
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:53.079
you for listening even when you're not watching.
641
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:55.640
Yeah, no problem, appreciate it.
642
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:57.480
Yeah, I do that on some things too.
643
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:01.119
I think that's a vote in in my column way.
644
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:03.640
Well, I don't know, I mean I don't I think
645
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:08.880
there's a third column in theory. I'm against it, but
646
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:10.720
maybe I would have been won over by watching it.
647
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:12.720
I don't know all right.
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Laramie from Georgia.
670
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:33.000
Hey, Laramie, thanks for calling. Well, what do you think
671
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:33.519
of how tonight?
672
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.640
Well, like some other people have said, a very confusing show,
673
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:43.359
you know, let alone opening up with Becky coming out
674
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:46.240
with the money in the bank briefcase or like that, she.
675
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:47.960
Just go at Oscar for it.
676
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:52.720
But what I want to talk about, which has bothered
677
00:31:52.720 --> 00:32:00.279
me since last night was King Corbin attempted murder.
678
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:01.240
You know, I.
679
00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:06.319
Do not believe the second roof story, and I love
680
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:11.599
how they really grinded that in and I was like, okay,
681
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:15.519
well Ray and Black are just shrugging it off. And
682
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:19.759
then Ray never mind, Ray gets as I poked out,
683
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:24.240
But then Corbin's going to be on Raw and Charlotte's
684
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.359
going to be on SmackDown. And I just got more
685
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:29.799
and more confused by that. And so I'm going to
686
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:32.640
keep that quick and just you can just expand on that.
687
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:36.519
Sure, sure, So, Zach, how'd you feel about I mean,
688
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:38.960
Baron Corbin, they used euphemisms. You know, I want to
689
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:43.480
see if Ray can fly, you know, before unsmacked on
690
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:45.519
last Friday? What do you think of how that was
691
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:48.480
handled on Sunday night, and then the follow up I
692
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:51.279
sort of, I mean, it's it's a low bar to
693
00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:53.359
give them praise for this, but it's sort of like, well,
694
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.440
he showed up for school, he actually filled out the
695
00:32:55.480 --> 00:33:00.480
answers on the test. They actually acknowledged it happened, and
696
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:03.319
and and then you know, just said they've been medically
697
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:07.039
cleared and they kind of explained exactly what happened. How
698
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:07.799
did that all work for you?
699
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:11.960
Yeah, I mean going into the the match last night,
700
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:14.680
I just you knew that something like that was gonna happen.
701
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:16.599
I mean, they just they set the table for it,
702
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:19.240
not just on SmackDown, but really in the weeks leading
703
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:21.839
up to it. So it was fully expecting that to happen.
704
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:25.039
And last night during the match, I liked the match overall.
705
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:29.359
I thought that that moment though, kind of it kind
706
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:31.839
of just happened. And then and then it passed by yesterday,
707
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:34.440
so I didn't know how how much that they were
708
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:37.200
going to reference in on Row tonight, and I'm actually
709
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:39.759
glad they did. I do also give them points for
710
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:42.359
the follow up. And it also it felt to me
711
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.599
like once they talked about it, like the fourth or
712
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:47.759
fifth time that it's almost as if they were like
713
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:50.440
trying to do damage control or something to tell the
714
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.119
world like no, no, no, nobody actually got tossed off
715
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:55.839
a roof. It was it was only six feet six
716
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:59.599
feet high. These guys are medically cleared, So you know,
717
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:00.759
I kind of got that.
718
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:01.359
Feel a little bit.
719
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:03.000
But I thought they did a.
720
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:03.680
Good enough job.
721
00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:06.799
I mean, I like consistency on these shows. I mean,
722
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.960
if you follow my reports on PW Torch dot com,
723
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:12.519
I talk about that a lot. And so I think
724
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if you have consistency, you can get angles over and
725
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:18.280
you can get stars over. And I'm not saying that
726
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:20.400
they did a great job with the follow up, but
727
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:23.559
you know, with that low bar, the fact that they
728
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:26.239
talked about it at all and had Corbin talk about
729
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:29.280
it and Ray to talk about it, I think that
730
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:32.159
that at least at least they paid homage to the
731
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:35.360
moment and didn't totally totally forget about it. Now that said,
732
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:37.800
I don't know that I would have had Alistair Black
733
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:40.599
and raymistereo in a match if you really wanted to
734
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:42.320
sell the fact that even they even if they took
735
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:44.920
a six foot bump off the off the roof you know,
736
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.440
I think if you are going to do something like
737
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:49.119
that in the future, you got to sell it a
738
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:51.760
little more. I have some bandage ribs or don't be
739
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:54.360
in the match, or you know, something to that nature.
740
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:56.760
But I give them probably like a C minus in
741
00:34:56.800 --> 00:35:00.119
the follow up, with most of that grade being the
742
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:01.119
fact that they did it at all.
743
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:05.960
How about the softening of the roster split. Again, I
744
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:10.599
must be upfront and say I've advocated for this. I
745
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:14.920
think these times call for desperate measures. And for someone
746
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.239
like me who has been highly critical of not staying
747
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:24.159
within the within the the the assigned rosters, and and
748
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:27.199
at the first sign of not planning ahead, catching up
749
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.880
with vinsic Man, bad booking mistakes, and not building up
750
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:35.840
a strong second tier and having running out of marquee matchups,
751
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:37.159
and go oh and now we got a in the ratings.
752
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:38.920
Go now, oh, we gotta bring bringing with me together
753
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:40.599
and we're gonna have a super show. I've been critical
754
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:42.719
of it every step of the way, but right now
755
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:45.519
you can't create stars in this environment. I mean, I'll
756
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:49.559
defend people who want who can enjoy a wrestling match
757
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:53.440
without a crowdgoing blockers in the background, because I'm one
758
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:55.760
of them. I can and I have and I'm not
759
00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:59.679
preoccupied with it. But I also know you can't create
760
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:01.800
a new you know, I mean Austin theory, can't become
761
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:04.079
a new star in this environment. You need to have
762
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.719
a crowd reacting to you and and that builds up.
763
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:09.679
So what do you do? I mean, how many times
764
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.760
can Drew McIntyre fight somebody who's Alinavega represents? So to me,
765
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:17.000
we're at a point with a ratings dropping where and
766
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:19.760
you can't create new stars, and you don't have access
767
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:21.760
to a lot of your wrestlers, I mean for a
768
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:23.360
variety of reasons, but a lot of them are they're
769
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:25.440
just opting out. And good for them, you know, I mean,
770
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:28.159
more powers with them if that's their call. So to me,
771
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:31.639
these are extraordinary circumstances the rules change. I will go
772
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:33.760
back to my strident stance of if you're going to
773
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:36.199
do a roster, split, stick with it, tough it out.
774
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:39.840
You know, don't have a crutch waiting for you to
775
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:42.800
combine rosters or have people float back and forth. But
776
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:46.360
right now, again I am loosening my normal strong standards
777
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:49.239
as far as that goes, and bringing Corbin in to
778
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:53.079
take Andrew. I'm fine with it if it's uh, I
779
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:56.760
you know, Drew should be Corbin and I don't know
780
00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:58.639
what their plan is, but if Drew can get a
781
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:00.760
nice win over Corbin, that's a fresh opponent for Raw.
782
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:03.559
And yeah, I mean that's my take to that. Yours.
783
00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:07.039
Yeah, No, mine's almost identical. I mean, it's a it's
784
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.199
a necessity at this point, and and I think it's
785
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:13.239
you've got to go let me extraordinary times, call for
786
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:15.440
extraordinary measures, like you said, and this is a little
787
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:18.079
bit unprecedented. And yes, kind of the some of the
788
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:21.199
issues that that WWEU is having is because of their
789
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.760
own doing in terms of not having that bench and
790
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:27.119
not having that second tier. But you know, you can't
791
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:29.719
fault them too much either, because they're they're handcuffed in
792
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:31.639
a lot of ways with what they can and can't
793
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.920
do and who they can can't use. So I think
794
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:37.039
you have to open things up. And I'm not saying
795
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.199
that I would bring, you know, Adam Cole and the
796
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:41.480
inn Disputed era up for a show, but when you
797
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:44.519
got King Corbin or somebody like Seamus or that tier
798
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:48.719
from SmackDown and they're available, you got to use.
799
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:50.679
It to freshen up the product. So I was.
800
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:52.760
I was actually in that regard high on what they
801
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:56.679
did with with Drew and Corbin. I thought Drew laid
802
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:59.119
out the challenge well in his segment, and I thought
803
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:03.480
Corbin referencing it later in his interview worked. And now
804
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:05.199
they kind of have a you know, a mini match
805
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:07.920
built for next week. So again it's it's grading on
806
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:11.000
a curve for sure. But and I'm with you, I
807
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:13.440
was very hard on the on the with the wild
808
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:16.480
card rule when it was implemented a couple Uh.
809
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:18.159
Gosh, is it has it been a year or a
810
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:19.519
few months. I don't even know it.
811
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:21.360
Was Actually it was actually it was actually fourteen years ago.
812
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:28.239
Zach Okay, Yeah, But I was.
813
00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:30.400
I had it or not high on it at that
814
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:33.000
point because you know, it's just you didn't need it
815
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:34.599
at that time, but you do.
816
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:34.880
Now.
817
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:36.239
You got to freshen it up a little bit.
818
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:38.159
You got to have some new faces, and you gotta
819
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:40.719
have new guys to for Drew to beat. You know,
820
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:42.679
he can't keep rolling through the same guys on Raw
821
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:45.199
every single week or else. In a couple of weeks,
822
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:47.960
there's not gonna be anybody left. So also not an
823
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:49.599
ideal situation, but you got to do it.
824
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:53.039
Also, they're doing bolt tapings now and everybody's you know,
825
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:55.480
they're they're all kind of available and on call. So
826
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:57.280
I think we're going to see a little bit more
827
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:00.159
of that when they do. And I don't have the
828
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:03.760
you know, exact taping schedule memorize, but they have, you know,
829
00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:06.119
people who are on site for for money in the
830
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:08.760
bank at the performance center are sticking around. They're trying
831
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:10.480
to reduce travel, and good for them for doing that.
832
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:13.840
And if that leads to a few you know, visitors
833
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:17.079
and open challenges and stuff, I mean, I mean again,
834
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:19.519
you look at this viewership, and I mean they got
835
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:21.599
to do something. So you know, if the ratings were
836
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:23.519
you know, steady, I'd be like a stick to your
837
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:25.199
you know, stick to what you've been doing. But I
838
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:28.400
can't sit here and I don't have skin in the
839
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.960
game financially with WWE. But I can't blame them for going.
840
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:35.840
We got we gotta We're you know, it's like it's
841
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:39.679
not I don't overextend the sports analogy, but if your
842
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:43.800
star reliever is in and it's it's you know, it's
843
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:47.360
an elimination game in the in the World Series, you
844
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:49.639
don't stick to the to the normal pitch count. You know,
845
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:51.440
you're gonna let him go a few extra because you're
846
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.039
not worried about tomorrow, You're about winning tonight. And I
847
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:56.800
kind of think that's the state WWE's into to an extent.
848
00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:59.559
Not perfect analogy, but it's my my example of why
849
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:01.960
sometimes you break your own internal rules.
850
00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:04.599
Yeah, and I you know, and I think they got
851
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:05.559
to be careful too.
852
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.639
I don't think they can, you know, if I'm them,
853
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:10.679
I'm not trotting out, you know, the fiend versus Drew.
854
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:11.760
McIntyre anytime soon.
855
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:13.119
So I think they need to be.
856
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:16.559
Careful with that. But with guys like Baron Corbin, it's
857
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:19.280
almost like that's why that guy's there, you know, to be,
858
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:21.960
you know, a utility player like this.
859
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:23.360
He's probably gonna.
860
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.800
Do the job, and he should, and but he's also
861
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.440
a fresh face. And so I'm not sure King Corbyn
862
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:30.679
coming over for a match that Drew McIntyre is gonna
863
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:34.840
you know, draw a ton of eyes back to the product,
864
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:37.760
but for those that are watching it will at least
865
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:38.599
appear fresh.
866
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:43.320
Yeah, yep, all right, anything else, Laramie ForSight, I think
867
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.039
that was it, but I'll just check to be sure.
868
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:46.800
Oh no, that was it.
869
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:48.440
Like I said, I want to keep it quick so
870
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:50.239
you can get to the other collar. Yeah, I appreciate it.
871
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:50.440
Cool.
872
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:59.760
Thanks, good hear for me. Call again. Go to ninety seven,
873
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.840
next nine seven eight. Let's state your name and where
874
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:03.360
you call it from.
875
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:06.679
Hiah Mark from Clinton, Massachusetts.
876
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:08.760
Hey, Mark, good hear from you. What do you think
877
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:09.280
about tonight?
878
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:14.199
Oh, just like everybody else, it was it was weird,
879
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:22.920
but we're in weird time. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, I'm
880
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:30.559
definitely used to be wrestling without the crowds. But well,
881
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:32.119
I guess I just want to come and I guess
882
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:35.960
I really like what I'm seeing from Drew McIntyre. I
883
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:38.119
think that, uh, this guy is gonna be a sty
884
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:39.880
He could be like the next Triple H. I think
885
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:43.960
if they if they build him up correctly, just you know,
886
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:46.559
it just sucks, you know, right now with no crowd
887
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:48.719
and stuff. But I mean, I think he's he's doing
888
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:51.079
a good job building him up, and you can really
889
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:53.639
I don't know, I think you can really tell, like
890
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:57.000
you know, in the upcoming WrestleManias and stuff, he's gonna
891
00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.360
have some really badass entrances and they can really meet
892
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:03.440
this guy in with star. I think, I don't know.
893
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:05.400
I guess I don't know.
894
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:09.400
What do you think about Drew McIntyre during all of this,
895
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:11.400
this this past six weeks or whatever.
896
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:14.519
Yeah, he's been so good. I mean, even if you're
897
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:19.800
not thinking about it, there's these moments during his promos, Zach,
898
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.320
where you go, oh, that was really good. Like he's
899
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.719
got a handle on how to deal with their not
900
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:28.760
being an audience, and he knows when to look at
901
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:30.679
the hard camera. He knows when to address a wrestler.
902
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:32.519
He knows when to kind of not look into the
903
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:34.559
empty seats where you're like, why is he looking there?
904
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:36.559
There's nobody there, but he'll look off and you can
905
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.119
tell he's in his inner thoughts and then he'll make
906
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:41.079
it intimate and go up to the camera and talk.
907
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:45.320
And those are just good instincts. Top stars have those instincts.
908
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:48.920
I'm imagining Austin Rock Sina. They had that just sort
909
00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:51.760
of natural or developed it, but whatever it was, they
910
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:55.159
ended up with a natural vibe on where to look
911
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:58.199
and when to lean in, when to be in your
912
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:00.679
own space, and none of them had the challenge Drew
913
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:02.199
had that I just mentioned, you know, of being in
914
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:05.119
an empty arena other than Austin that one week of
915
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:09.599
playing player out with Byron. So yeah, I mean Drew's
916
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:12.119
been really good. Even it was a small thing tonight,
917
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:13.719
but I don't think it was an accident. He didn't
918
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:17.599
do the three two one like as deliberate. He went
919
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:20.280
three two one and just got to it, you know.
920
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.679
And and that's one of the things that I think
921
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.199
everybody should be learning. And I think a lot are
922
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:28.280
which is normal things that you milt the moment. You
923
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:30.639
do not milt moments with no crowd. You just get
924
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:32.559
to it. And Braun and Bray would have benefited from
925
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:35.199
that last night. So I just I think Drew's got
926
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:38.360
a really high wrestling IQ, really good instincts, and he's
927
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:41.280
carrying himself like a leader at a time that man,
928
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:44.880
where would Robb without someone carrying himself like a leader.
929
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:46.519
So yeah, I mean, high praise him. We do it
930
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:48.280
every week. But he earned it again tonight.
931
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:50.440
Yeah, he sure did. He sure did.
932
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:55.519
And he's he's a very valuable commodity to WWE right now.
933
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:59.559
I think he, more than anybody else, is really understanding
934
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:03.719
what to you out there in this environment given the circumstances,
935
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:05.920
and you know, part of the part of the wrestling
936
00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:08.800
business and like the art of it is, you know,
937
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:12.400
interacting with the crowd or within you know, your situation,
938
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:15.639
whether it's a big stadium or a small bingo hall,
939
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.480
you you do different things to interact with that audience,
940
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:21.280
just like you know a rock star would. You're not
941
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:24.159
going to do the same stuff to fifty thousand people
942
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:27.000
in a big arena rock show that you would at
943
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:29.639
a small club, And the same thing goes here. You've
944
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:32.280
got to find a way to interact with the audience
945
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:35.199
where they are, which is not in that arena and
946
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:36.800
not at the performance center, but it's at home.
947
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:38.519
It's in the camera. And I think some of the
948
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:39.960
really nuanced.
949
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:42.440
Stuff that Drew does, some of his under the breath
950
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:45.039
comments or comments that he just makes kind of to
951
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.760
the audience at home via the camera lens, is really
952
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:50.199
good and I think it engages the audience in a
953
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:54.039
way that lets them know that they're they're out there
954
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:56.800
and that's how he's talking to them, and that's how
955
00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:59.519
he's he's working them and manipulating them. And I think
956
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.800
that that's a puzzle and it's a challenging puzzle to
957
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:04.880
not have them right there in the room. But I
958
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.079
think you've got to change up what you do to
959
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:09.960
reach them. And I don't think anybody in WWE and
960
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:13.559
maybe even AW at this point is doing it as
961
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:14.760
well as Drew McIntyre.
962
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:18.559
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with a VIP or Patreon membership. Anything else for us smart?
973
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:54.440
Oh yeah, no, I just.
974
00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:59.000
One other thing, like like you were talking about earlier,
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00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:03.760
like with the uh, you know, the limited roster and
976
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:07.320
stuff and like how to get them involved and stuff,
977
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:11.360
Like I really I really believe like like Vince needs
978
00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:13.639
to go back. He really needs to like really dig
979
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:16.360
deep and he needs to go back to like not
980
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:20.639
so much the stupid basketball promo with the Viking Raiders tonight,
981
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.960
but like he needs to really showcase, like like say
982
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:27.280
to Zawa, like he needs to be like doing like
983
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:29.840
acting like a like a just like a normal person
984
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.440
outside of the ring and like so that like the
985
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:36.440
fans you know, get to learn more about him, you know,
986
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:37.360
rather than him.
987
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.239
Getting beat every week, you know. And I also.
988
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:43.719
Another thing that really helps, I think is like during
989
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:47.079
the like the matches, like getting to hear like like
990
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.239
the wrestlers like talk tracks to each other, like you know,
991
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:53.079
get somebody like, yeah, how do you like that?
992
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:54.119
And some you really get to.
993
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:56.920
Like know what like the person's about, you know. And
994
00:46:56.920 --> 00:46:59.559
I think that really can help these mid.
995
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:04.119
Chatters well you know and stuff. Because there's no house shows,
996
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:05.960
you know, there's there's no.
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00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:10.519
Room for Viking Raiders, the comedic acts. You know, they
998
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:12.760
earn their money at the house shows, you know, in
999
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:16.039
the opening matches, getting the kids into it, the crowds,
1000
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:19.119
you know, getting ramped up before the intermission. You know
1001
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:23.000
that that's their job so I think that like if WWE,
1002
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:26.119
you know, showcases them more maybe outside of the ring,
1003
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:28.480
not doing like the goofy stuff. I mean, they're always
1004
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:31.679
going to do that and stuff, but like he got
1005
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:34.280
a lot of fans like learn more about.
1006
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:35.920
Them so that when we go see them in.
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00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:38.519
These undercard matches, you know, we care about them more,
1008
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:41.039
you know, And also like like I said, make them
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00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:44.480
you know, just like in these ny Arena matches, like
1010
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:46.599
just talking trash.
1011
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:49.079
Or you know, just being able to hear them.
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00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:53.159
During the match, like just putting their personality out there.
1013
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:54.920
I don't know, what do you guys think about that?
1014
00:47:55.199 --> 00:48:00.000
Yeah, I mean I think there's a lot of differ
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00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.320
and roads they could go down to to accomplish that goal.
1016
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:04.559
I think I've been a big proponent of that kind
1017
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:07.360
of stuff, given this environment and given the fact that
1018
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:11.760
they have so much television time to fill, you know,
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00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:13.280
you know, they have all this time.
1020
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:15.639
I think even if they take you know.
1021
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:19.360
Gosh, just one segment or even a half a segment
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00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:22.719
per show on Raw and on SmackDown to you know,
1023
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.440
do just some pre recorded video stuff from from some
1024
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:28.239
of these guys, you can't you cannot make stars like
1025
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.760
you said Wade in this environment without a crowd, but
1026
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:34.559
you can lay a foundation for them when the crowds
1027
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:37.239
return by hyping them up a bit. So I think
1028
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:39.800
guys like Austin Theory, you know, something for that him
1029
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:43.440
would be good. I think even like Zelena Vega on
1030
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:45.760
her and what she brings to the table for her
1031
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:48.880
stable would would would be helpful and beneficial. So anybody
1032
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:52.280
on that next level, who's who WWE is focusing on
1033
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.000
here or leaning on because they because they have to.
1034
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:57.800
You know, why not shoot some stuff to try to present.
1035
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.679
Them in a way that maybe makes them look like
1036
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:04.239
stars when fans are back and then ultimately you'll know then.
1037
00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:06.239
But you can at least put some work in now.
1038
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:08.400
And also it's still it's still time, so you don't
1039
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.079
have to have you know, four twenty minute matches. You
1040
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:14.159
can have uh, you know, four ten minute matches instead.
1041
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:18.639
Yep, yep, I agree, Uh Mark, any closing words?
1042
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:21.880
No, thank you first time caller, thanks for taking my call.
1043
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:22.280
Cool?
1044
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:24.559
Yeah, you guys appreciate it. Mark, Thanks call again you
1045
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:29.360
yep A cool. Let's go next to one one one
1046
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:32.480
and see who is uh not showing up on our
1047
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:34.920
switchboard with a number today, state your naming where you're
1048
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:35.320
calling from.
1049
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:38.480
Hey, guys, it's great from I mean it's veal Engine from.
1050
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:42.719
Nice, very tricky, very tricky. You had me going there
1051
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:43.880
for a split second.
1052
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:48.000
How's it going, Valentine, Yeah, I think Shane is FROMO
1053
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:50.960
was the most memorable thing from rot to I. What
1054
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:53.079
do you think of what do you think about your
1055
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:55.840
dispamaged and common Stowarts motherhood?
1056
00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:58.960
Well, I mean, you know, babies are parasites for a
1057
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:02.280
while and away, I mean, she's just it's just science. No,
1058
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:04.760
I thought she was despicable. It was great. I mean,
1059
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:11.280
heel should be absolutely ransidly despicable sometimes. And Shane's the
1060
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:15.639
type who is so career driven that she's gonna get
1061
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:19.639
like she can get heat for just looking at Becky
1062
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:23.239
as this complete loser, for not finding a way to
1063
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:26.159
put professional life ahead of personal life as a woman,
1064
00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:28.599
and that's a way to get heat. And then I
1065
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:32.960
mean the nastiness of what she said in Italia. I mean,
1066
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:35.760
if you're going to be a heel, be a heel.
1067
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:37.440
And Zach she was a heel.
1068
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:40.719
She was she was that worked. That worked really well
1069
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:44.280
for me. I agree. One of the highlights of the show.
1070
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:48.480
That was that was some mean stuff. I'm buth ends
1071
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:51.719
yeah and uh and then you know it made me smile.
1072
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:54.760
Youer to ears, so you know, mission accomplished. I guess
1073
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:56.400
you know, No, it was good. And that's, you know,
1074
00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:59.119
right in line with with Shane's character. You know, maybe
1075
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:01.920
it's exactly what then speakman wants to say to Becky
1076
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:02.519
but can't.
1077
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:04.400
And but even.
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00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.159
Still, I think it's just she she knocked it out
1079
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:08.639
of the park, not just with what she said, but
1080
00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:09.920
how she said it too.
1081
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:14.000
She did she looked like just a dismissive jerk. And
1082
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:15.559
I thought it was great.
1083
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:19.800
Yeah, yeah, what do you think, Valentine, Yeah, I.
1084
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:20.519
Think it was great.
1085
00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:22.760
I'm a big fan already and I think I just
1086
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.760
become a bigger fan of Shana. What do you think
1087
00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:28.639
about Horton and Edge having a straight up wrestling match
1088
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:29.320
at the next.
1089
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.199
Pay per view? And why Charlie Caruso.
1090
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:34.480
Was scuped to say that it may be just the
1091
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:36.079
greatest dress in match ever.
1092
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:38.480
I think that's too much. It's kind of ridiculous.
1093
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:40.960
They just can't help themselves. I mean, I can't believe
1094
00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:43.920
Charlie because she's told what to say I mean if
1095
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:45.880
you went into business for herself there that that would
1096
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:48.679
shock me. Yeah, I mean, w can't help themselves and
1097
00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:51.559
they just you know, it's like, you know, being at
1098
00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:54.199
a restaurant and the servers like everything on the menu
1099
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:56.280
is the best meal you will have of any kind. Ever,
1100
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:58.559
it's like, just let me enjoy my meal without setting
1101
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:00.480
the bar so high. I mean, it's sure. I'm sure
1102
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:04.239
it's gonna be good. So yeah, that was a little weird.
1103
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:07.800
But I mean we haven't talked to Ed Jordon yet.
1104
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:10.920
The idea of following up a last man's standing match
1105
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:15.000
with a regular wrestling match feels counterintuitive, and yet Randy
1106
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:19.199
laid out the logic. I mean, I thought it was
1107
00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:21.119
kind of weird to milk the moment because I just
1108
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:23.119
think everybody knows I was just gonna say yes. So
1109
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:26.719
if there was actually a hook and you didn't know,
1110
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:29.239
I can understand maybe trying to you know, drag it
1111
00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:31.239
out a week or two to have a special announcement.
1112
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:34.400
But I guess I just would have had edge think,
1113
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:37.039
you know, just kind of think about it and say no,
1114
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.519
you know, look up at Randy after a couple seconds
1115
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:41.480
and smile and go I'm ready for this, and and
1116
00:52:41.559 --> 00:52:44.239
there's something to what you said, Randy, and I want
1117
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:45.920
to do this, but I just think they are trying
1118
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:47.400
to figure out how do we get another segment out
1119
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:47.920
of this act?
1120
00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:49.199
Right you exactly?
1121
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:52.039
Yeah, that's exactly what I thought too. They're just trying
1122
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:55.199
to get another segment. I thought what they did tonight, though, worked.
1123
00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:57.599
I thought it worked well ordinarily. I don't know that
1124
00:52:57.639 --> 00:52:59.840
i'd be saying that as they're kind of going back
1125
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:03.079
from the last man's standing stipulation to the regular wrestling match,
1126
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:06.360
but I think that's Look, that's what that's what promos
1127
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:08.960
are for, you know, to sell the audience on these
1128
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:10.239
matches and tell the story.
1129
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:11.800
And I thought Randy did a nice job with that.
1130
00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:15.280
I think he really he laid out not only you know,
1131
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:19.039
the match and what he was challenging Edge for, but
1132
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:20.880
he also set the story in place too that look,
1133
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:23.480
there's gonna be some some doubt, there will rumble, not
1134
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:25.519
a regular wrestling match, last man's standing.
1135
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:27.119
Not a regular wrestling match.
1136
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:29.639
Come on, Edge, I know there's doubt in your eyes,
1137
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:32.199
you know. And then he challenges him as as a
1138
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:34.599
as a heel would who thinks he has the upper hands.
1139
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.599
So I thought this worked on a on a lot
1140
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:41.039
of different levels. The will it'd be the greatest match
1141
00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:44.960
in wrestling history. I guess time will tell, But I
1142
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:46.480
don't know. I don't know why they had to take
1143
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:49.599
it there, because you just raised the bar, you know, needlessly.
1144
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:51.840
But no tonight worked.
1145
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:54.320
I thought Orton was good and once again it proves
1146
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:57.519
you know, when Orton is invested in something and he
1147
00:53:57.559 --> 00:53:59.280
can turn it on and wants to turn it on,
1148
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:01.320
he can be one of the best. And I thought
1149
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:04.119
he really showcased that tonight when.
1150
00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:05.840
When Charlie said that, I just wish edge Or would
1151
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:08.880
have sort of broken character and lect her and said seriously,
1152
00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:12.880
like pressure on us. We're we're gonna We're gonna fight
1153
00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:14.559
to win. But I I don't know if we can
1154
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:17.039
make that promise. I mean, let's let's have the master.
1155
00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:21.360
I know, that's the thing. It just felt it felt
1156
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:24.519
a little heavy handed, almost a little desperate, but and
1157
00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:27.039
and and frankly distracting. It's like, you know, Seth, you're
1158
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:29.199
trying to get sethyal heat and you have you The
1159
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:31.360
audience is sympathetic towards the fact that he got, you know,
1160
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:34.119
decued for something that just didn't feel worthy of it.
1161
00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:36.239
Stop doing things that distract us from the point you're
1162
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:39.519
trying to really make, so that that's kind of the
1163
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:42.159
overriding that that's the main argument to not do that.
1164
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:44.719
Valentine back you.
1165
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:47.800
Yeah, I think the way that Seth exit tonight was
1166
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:48.519
kind of funny.
1167
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:51.039
After Bake his announcement.
1168
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:57.599
Thank you, thanks Auntie, I was Greateria. What what did
1169
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:03.559
you make of Seth's deman and then his claiming later backstage,
1170
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:06.599
I don't remember what happened. I don't know what I did,
1171
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:10.639
because I mean they were Yeah, the drumacintire, the handshake
1172
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:12.760
he lost, How does that affect him? So you can
1173
00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:15.360
imagine that just alone being enough for him to maybe
1174
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:17.199
kind of be freaked out twenty four us later. But
1175
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:19.239
then you also have like this sort of play on.
1176
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:21.800
He just found out he's gonna be a dad, and
1177
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:25.880
they're acknowledging it, you know, Ray Mysterio acknowledges it to Seth,
1178
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:28.920
And so part of me is watching this going they're
1179
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:32.360
kind of doing this sort of this intentional but under
1180
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:36.480
the not they're they're I think they're trying to have
1181
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:38.280
people think he's just shocked because he's going to be
1182
00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:41.880
a dad and there's that playing into it, and then
1183
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:45.880
so yeah, I wasn't quite sure ultimately what to make
1184
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:50.320
of it. My vote would have been. And I don't
1185
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:53.079
like usually take this stance because I sort of feel
1186
00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:55.599
like it runs counter to some of arguments of don't
1187
00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:57.440
insult the audience. If they know something, you kind of
1188
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:00.599
have to acknowledge it. But sus character is so different
1189
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:02.920
than when he and Becky were teaming up last summer.
1190
00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:06.159
I almost think you just let Becky be pregnant and
1191
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.000
she's going to go be gone for a year, so
1192
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:10.079
she's her character is not going to really quote get
1193
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:12.880
in the way of Seth and let Seth just do
1194
00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:15.599
his thing, and it can sort of be this weird
1195
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:18.239
thing that no one's bringing up that everyone's sort of
1196
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:20.480
wondering about, was is he the dad? Is he freaked
1197
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:22.840
out because he's not the dad? And yet I think
1198
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:25.480
people would understand let's respect their private life. And I
1199
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:27.000
mean there's sort of in a k fape sense, like
1200
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:28.840
I think you could watch Raw for the next year
1201
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:31.639
and not feel like you're greatly insulted that Seth's not
1202
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:35.159
talking about becoming a dad. If they never fully confirmed
1203
00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:38.679
or acknowledged within the TV show structure that he is
1204
00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:40.760
the dad, because a lot of people date for a
1205
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:42.639
while and then they break up and they date somebody else,
1206
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:45.119
and they haven't been giving us weekly updates on raw
1207
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:47.360
on the Becky Seth things, So that sort of to
1208
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:50.239
me just raise comment god in the way of Seth's character.
1209
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:52.960
I get I'll see how it plays out, and maybe
1210
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:54.920
the way he acted tonight would have happened no matter what.
1211
00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:58.159
So if zach your interpretation to take on it.
1212
00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:00.360
Yeah, I think they were a little all over the
1213
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:00.840
place with that.
1214
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:04.480
I think they really tried to accomplish a lot with
1215
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:08.000
how they presented him and and I.
1216
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:09.239
Think in the end they got.
1217
00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:12.639
To a to an okay place, but it really took
1218
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:14.360
a lot of twists and turns.
1219
00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:16.559
But I don't think it really needed to. I'm with you.
1220
00:57:16.639 --> 00:57:17.719
I think enough.
1221
00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:19.960
People know that, yeah, you know, he's the he's the father.
1222
00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:22.440
But also, you know, there's a lot of things that
1223
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:26.000
fans know about about wrestlers that they don't talk about
1224
00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:28.880
on TV. Alstra Black and Zelina Vega, you know, you
1225
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.000
got to keep them apart even though everybody knows, okay,
1226
00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:34.960
they're they're they're married, and in this instance it's even
1227
00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:38.880
more difficult because you have called it out on television.
1228
00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:41.400
So I get that. But the bottom line is Seth
1229
00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:44.679
is a is a heel and I think people people
1230
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:48.400
feel good for soon to be parents, and I think
1231
00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:52.400
that automatically lends a sense of sympathy. So if you're gonna,
1232
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:55.239
you know, make keep Seth on the heel side of things,
1233
00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:59.039
I think you want to avoid that at all costs,
1234
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:00.519
just so that you can kind of keep him in
1235
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:03.079
the in the in the heel lane. So on that
1236
00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:05.440
side of the coin, I think they did a nice
1237
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:08.119
job of, you know, taking an audience that kind of
1238
00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:10.199
is like, oh, that's gonna be a dad, and enough
1239
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:13.760
people know that, and he you know, Ray Mysterio called
1240
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:16.199
him a dick on TV today and then he had
1241
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:19.559
that that that kind of really violent angle with with
1242
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:22.280
the I thing and Ray, I thought that worked to
1243
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:25.199
keep him firmly planted on the heel side. But then
1244
00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:28.840
you have, you know, him kind of bewildered out there.
1245
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:31.400
That is clearly a play on being a new dad.
1246
00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:34.239
And I think even though I mean there's there's some
1247
00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:37.400
some comedy there, there's some you know, just playfulness in
1248
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:40.000
that in that presentation. So I think both of those
1249
00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:42.119
ends were kind of polling at each other. I think,
1250
00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:45.880
WWE needs to pick a lane and and and stay there,
1251
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:48.360
and I think that that would be beneficial for rounds.
1252
00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:50.239
And yeah, I mean if they're not, I mean they've
1253
00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:53.119
already acknowledged Seth and Becky. So it's a little different
1254
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:58.199
than Zelena and Androtti in that way. Is and El
1255
00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:02.599
for black, I'm thinking of Charlotte. But that said, Ray
1256
00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:04.960
could have said, hey, Seth, congratulations, and Seth could have
1257
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:06.960
looked at him and said, what are you talking about?
1258
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:08.639
And he goes, well the Becky news, and Seth could
1259
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:11.280
have looked at him and said, I've moved on. I
1260
00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:13.239
have more important things I'm dealing with. I am the
1261
00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:16.360
Messiah and she's on her own and let people interpret
1262
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:18.039
that how they want. And just that's sort of the
1263
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:21.239
divorce moment storyline wise, he's saying Becky's on her own?
1264
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:23.079
What a heat generator? And you can interpret that in
1265
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:26.159
different ways. He doesn't confirm he's the dad, but if
1266
00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:29.840
he is, he's saying, I'm not taking responsibility. I have
1267
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:32.320
higher responsibilities here on raw now, and you can just
1268
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:34.519
imagine the women and the audience going oh my god,
1269
00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:37.079
and like just you know, setting aside at to work
1270
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:39.760
and hating Seth forever for that, and it just it
1271
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:42.079
gets you out of it because Becky's not going to
1272
00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:45.639
be around, So that situation in real life shouldn't shouldn't
1273
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:48.079
force your hand in a direction that you wouldn't choose
1274
00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:50.079
otherwise with Seth, that would be my argument.
1275
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:53.239
Right, Yeah, and I agree, I definitely agree, and they really,
1276
00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:55.800
I mean and honestly they need him on that side.
1277
00:59:55.840 --> 01:00:00.480
I mean, so I think, you know, I would have
1278
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:06.480
preferred them just call out what the word bewilderness was,
1279
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:09.159
you know, like have them cut a promo or something
1280
01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:11.480
to tell the audience this is why he's acting that
1281
01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:14.199
way at some point, because I feel like today was
1282
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:17.119
just a play on the on the baby news and
1283
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:20.679
next week, you know, who knows if they'll even address
1284
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:23.559
what happened with with with his not not the not
1285
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:25.679
the eye angle, but just the way he was acting
1286
01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:28.320
out there outside of that. So yeah, yeah, I think
1287
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:29.360
they were just a little too cute.
1288
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:33.159
Yeah yep, but it is chapter one, so you know,
1289
01:00:33.599 --> 01:00:35.719
we'll kind of see. I mean, Seth was good at
1290
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:38.360
staring off into nowhere for ten minutes and that was
1291
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:39.039
kind of entertaining.
1292
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:41.000
Yeah, gosh, you didn't blink for ten minutes.
1293
01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:43.719
I know, And I mean Murphy's reaction even Alister Black,
1294
01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:46.719
you know, and the Who's just you know, unflappable. It's like,
1295
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:55.280
what's going on with this guy? So up next six
1296
01:00:55.599 --> 01:00:57.559
h nine go at state your name and where you're
1297
01:00:57.559 --> 01:00:59.119
calling from.
1298
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:01.320
This is Mike from Atlantic City, New Jersey.
1299
01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:03.519
Hey, Mike, thanks for colling. What's what do you think
1300
01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:04.039
of out tonight?
1301
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:07.760
I think it was a it was pretty good. Yeah,
1302
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.760
I like I really like the edge in orton segment. Yeah,
1303
01:01:11.119 --> 01:01:14.159
you know, even though it's going from a gimmick match
1304
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:17.920
like it's going backwards to a traditional wrestling match, you know,
1305
01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:21.360
I still like it because we got a story out.
1306
01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:22.440
Of it, so it makes sense.
1307
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:25.000
Yeah, even though it is going backward with you yep.
1308
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:29.920
And frankly, I like the idea. I'm with Orton on
1309
01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:31.920
the idea that a royal rumble is kind of a
1310
01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:34.880
weird way to determine who the most like, who the
1311
01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:37.039
best person is. It's like having a hockey game to
1312
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:38.519
decide who's going to be in the Super Bowl. I mean,
1313
01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:40.599
it's just like the skill set to win the Rumble,
1314
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:42.800
where there's this random chance and it's about not having
1315
01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:44.679
your back turned, and it's about having friends who happened
1316
01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:46.079
to be in there randomly while you're in there to
1317
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:48.679
protect you. It's not really when you think about it
1318
01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:51.159
a particular, it's very exciting and fun, but it's not
1319
01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:53.719
a particularly logical way to decide who should headline on
1320
01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:55.519
the grandest stage of them all for the greatest prize
1321
01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:58.159
of them all, anymore than having a hockey game should decide,
1322
01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:00.599
you know, the leading scoring the NHL should decide who
1323
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:02.000
the pitcher is going to be in the in the
1324
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:07.119
World Series. So I'm yeah, so that that is. I'm
1325
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:08.960
with Orton on that, And I kind of like the
1326
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:11.320
idea of a wrestling match being in the view of
1327
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:14.760
Orton and perhaps Edge agreeing a better way to determine
1328
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:17.400
if Edge is really back because walk and brawls are
1329
01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:20.079
kind of what people do who lose their confidence in
1330
01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:21.599
being able to have a match within the ropes in
1331
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:24.920
the ring. And that's a broad generalization and there are exceptions,
1332
01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:30.320
but walking brals and using weapons and stuff, that's not
1333
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:33.800
like there's a reason that's not Cizarro's specialty because he's
1334
01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:35.880
so freaking good at what he can do within the ropes.
1335
01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:37.760
So people who can do it within the ropes tend
1336
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:40.000
to stay there, and people who are insecure about keeping
1337
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:43.079
up tend to lean on on the gimmicky stuff, and
1338
01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:45.199
Edge are good enough they don't need to do that obviously,
1339
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:47.719
So I'm kind of nodding along with Orton and looking
1340
01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:49.280
and I look forward to seeing what Edge Norton can
1341
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:51.360
do in a in a more traditional setting, because I
1342
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:52.159
think they can deliver.
1343
01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:54.920
Zach, I do too.
1344
01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:59.000
I do too, And you know, I'm with you weighed
1345
01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:02.000
on the on the watching wrestling without a crowd thing,
1346
01:03:02.039 --> 01:03:04.199
I think, you know it really it really hit me
1347
01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:07.360
yesterday during the the Drew McIntire Seth Rollins match, so
1348
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:09.239
much so that I, you know, lean over to my
1349
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:11.840
wife and I'm like, I like, am I crazy? Or
1350
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:14.440
is this like if I just been watching this enough
1351
01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:17.280
for the last six weeks where it's not affecting me anymore?
1352
01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:21.039
Or like is this like is this really a good match?
1353
01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:25.039
And I think I'm you know, I'm just able to
1354
01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:29.320
to kick back and enjoy a wrestling match without a crowd.
1355
01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:31.239
And they're shooting it better, and the wrestlers are adjusting
1356
01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:34.079
to it. Those are the things. I mean, wrestlers are
1357
01:03:34.119 --> 01:03:37.039
adjusting to the circumstances. So if you give it a chance,
1358
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:39.400
the wrestlers are trying hard and some of them are
1359
01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:42.039
good at it to not draw attention to the fact
1360
01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:44.079
that there's not a crowd anymore. And the camera is
1361
01:03:44.119 --> 01:03:46.800
pointed in the right direction now the place ring of
1362
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:49.480
honor's been pointing it for a decade, at the stage
1363
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:53.280
with a backdrop, and not at empty seats like they
1364
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:55.119
did those first couple of weeks. So there's other things
1365
01:03:55.159 --> 01:03:57.400
I play besides it's Drew and Seth and they're just
1366
01:03:57.400 --> 01:04:00.000
going out there and just you know, doing great work.
1367
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:02.760
Right right, and I and I think I think you're
1368
01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:06.400
also seeing like out there as these matches happen, like
1369
01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:10.400
the season vets, the guys who have been out there,
1370
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:12.639
who know what they're doing and who've you know, seen
1371
01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:14.880
it all, they're the ones that are having better matches,
1372
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:17.159
you know, And you're not there, you know. And I
1373
01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:19.519
think there's no reason to think that Randy Ordan Edge
1374
01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:23.519
aren't in that you know arena, that league of of
1375
01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:27.400
of of worker too. So I want to see this
1376
01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:30.119
match out of them in this environment. Like I think
1377
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:32.480
there's a time and a place for the cinematic stuff.
1378
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:35.400
But because of you know, just at least my mindset
1379
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:38.960
changing and being able to watch this and be entertained
1380
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:41.039
by it, you know, give me the match inside the
1381
01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:42.199
ropes any day.
1382
01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:46.840
And and I do want to make clear it's two things. One,
1383
01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:49.159
it's okay if you're enjoying wrestling right now in an
1384
01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:51.360
empty arena to say so and to keep enjoying it.
1385
01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:55.559
Number Two, if you're not, that's fine too. And neither
1386
01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:57.840
side you think the other side's crazy, Like I get it.
1387
01:04:57.880 --> 01:04:59.800
I mean some people they date just that energy in
1388
01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:02.760
the it's there. But I do think there's some sort
1389
01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:04.960
of like over the top vitriol that it's the worst
1390
01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:07.760
thing ever and how could anyone possibly enjoy it? And
1391
01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:11.280
I always remember Chris Cruz when I interviewed him when
1392
01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:13.559
he was a doubly stowed the announcer circa like nineteen
1393
01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:16.400
eighty nine, and he would talk about how people who
1394
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:19.239
didn't like wrestling would feel like they had the right
1395
01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:22.719
to volunteer to him, how they could not understand how
1396
01:05:22.760 --> 01:05:27.039
he likes professional wrestling and be judgy about it, and
1397
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:29.440
he would say, like, I don't like cats, but if
1398
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:31.280
somebody says they like cats, I don't go, why do
1399
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:33.800
you like cats? You're crazy? Like And that was the
1400
01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:36.000
example he gave. And I sort of feel that way
1401
01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:38.880
about this. It's like I kind of can enjoy like
1402
01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:42.320
wrestlers working hard and having what feels like a good
1403
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:46.039
fight that's tight and they're not dogging it and all that,
1404
01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:48.159
and you know, you subtract playing to the crowd from
1405
01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:50.800
it and they're adjusted, Like I enjoy that. I'm not
1406
01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:53.159
gonna apologize for enjoying. And I think it's I mean,
1407
01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:56.960
obviously there's you know a bunch of people who like
1408
01:05:57.079 --> 01:05:59.599
it and who don't like it enough not to watch.
1409
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:02.800
And I'm not saying it's better, because it's definitely not better,
1410
01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:06.159
but I can I can agree it's not as good
1411
01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:11.719
without just like taking some pride in hating it so much.
1412
01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:15.920
So that's my stance. But you know, when you if
1413
01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:17.880
it's not for you, that's great. But I mean, I
1414
01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:19.440
think there are people out there like, yeah, this is
1415
01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:21.679
this is still this is still pretty good. I can
1416
01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:23.440
I can enjoy this. Like you're leaning over to your
1417
01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:25.159
wife and you're like I just feel I feel like
1418
01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:27.400
some people feel I have to apologize for like looking
1419
01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:30.559
forward to watching Raw or Dynamite or whatever. And it's like,
1420
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:34.199
you don't have to apologize. It's okay to still like it.
1421
01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:36.320
Definitely, I totally agree. I totally agree.
1422
01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:38.079
And you know, if you don't like it, that's like
1423
01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:42.800
you said, that's that's fine too. But you know, I
1424
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:45.519
just think that there are you know, this is like
1425
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:48.360
a it's a strange time as an unprecedented time, and
1426
01:06:48.440 --> 01:06:52.360
so you know, I never thought I'd be saying, oh yeah, wow,
1427
01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:55.039
I can really walk it behind this wrestling match with
1428
01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:55.519
no fans.
1429
01:06:55.519 --> 01:06:57.000
But alas here we are.
1430
01:06:57.159 --> 01:07:05.880
You know, in twenty twelve, NXT transitioned into the developmental
1431
01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:09.159
system and ultimately the brand you see today. On the
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Torch VIP podcast NXT Eight Years Back, we'll be taking
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a weekly look at this page in NXT's early history.
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Joined Kelly Wells and me Tom Stout from PWT talks
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NXT every Saturday as we go eight years back to
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the day to track NXT's rising talents and why they
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did or didn't work out exclusively for PW Torch VIP members.
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I'll say this too, I mean The part that of
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this show that no one's brought up yet that I
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was just appalled by is the gathering of congratulations and
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hugs around pregnant Becky Lynch. Like I was like ten
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minutes behind on Raw or so, and I was like, well,
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obviously Twitter's blown up and everyone's going to be freaking
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out and I didn't send people are freaking out. I didn't.
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I haven't. I don't when I'm covering Rae, I don't
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spend a lot of time on Twitter or anywhere. I'm
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just trying to watch the show and keep up and
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got if I have time to like fix one of
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my twenty typos, and that's right an underestimate. I like
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to do that when I have when I can catch
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my breath. So I'm not following a ton, but I'm
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kind of surprised more people haven't talked about that. Like
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my stance is if if they're gonna have wrestle, if
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they're gonna put on wrestling shows during this time, and
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obviously you can't, I should say obviously, but they're not
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going to have wrestling matches, probably with wrestlers with masks on,
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like face masks. Although I would I don't think that'd
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be the worst thing in the world from a safety standpoint.
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But and there's some cool looking masks out there, but
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that set I want them to not take completely unnecessary chances.
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I don't want them to do things that are completely
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superfluous to getting through a two or three hour wrestling
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show doing the things that you need to do in
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order to have a wrestling show. Like if if your
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job is food delivery, I don't think it makes sense
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to climb a tree and dive headfirst onto cement on
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your way to delivering the pizza at this time, Like,
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you get out of the car and you walk, and
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you deliver pizza, and you do it as safely as
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you can, but you don't like lick every surface on
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your way from the car to the front door. And
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to me, like we can congratulate Becky by tweet. People
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can come within six feet of her, and while she's
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cutting the promo, you can go to a wide angle
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and people can walk by and go, Becky, congratulations and
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give her a thumbs up and then keep walking. Like
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there's a way to show the locker room loves her
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and supports her. Without it was twelve people who were
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within two feet of her face, and several hugged her
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and then like Kyrie, and I think I know someone
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else was on the left in the picture who didn't
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actually hug her, But I'm like, she's pregnant. You don't
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all need to be like that's a larger group than
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anybody in any circumstance in wrestling right now should be
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around in a six hour period on site, and within
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twenty seconds, a pregnant woman was around twelve people who
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all were not social distancing, none of them were wearing masks,
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and oh yeah, by the way, the majority of them
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had to drive or fly to get to that building,
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and a lot of them were running around in the
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last week or so around Duby Headquarters, which is you know,
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a surface is all over. So I was just flabbergasted
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and kind of disgusted by the bad judgment of everybody
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involved in that.
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It was it was so bad, so bad. I noticed
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the same thing.
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And it's just and you hit the nail head it
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it's unnecessary. And I think WWE has been a bit
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misguided in how and how they talk about, you know,
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what's going on with coronavirus. It's just like everybody knows
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what's happening. And I think it's almost more jarring to
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see a group of twelve people at this point all
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together than it is to see them socially distanced process.
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Yes, you know like it.
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It so is that.
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I don't think, you know, ww.
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Is not doing anybody any favors by going, oh, we
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got to make people forget that they're that they're the
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coronaviruses out there, so we need to do our part
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in that. It's like, no, no, no, that just all
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that does is focus attention on the fact that, hey,
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not only do you have a pregnant woman there, but
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there's also twelve other people around and they've all been
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from different places.
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It made absolutely no sense.
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And uh yeah, I mean and and and the thing
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is wade like, gosh, I knock on woods that nothing happens,
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But it's that kind of thing that is gonna hurt
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them in the long term if someone gets sick, you know,
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the whole thing gets shut down after that.
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Yeah, that photo, the photo of that screenshot getting to
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mainstream media could could destroy WWA and professional wrestling for
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the foreseeable future, absolutely relative to what ww wants to
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keep doing and being able to keep doing so just
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I mean, just horrible, horrible judgment call. I mean even
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like aw, you know, I mean, we can question some
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of the decisions I made last Wednesday deservedly so, and
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we did Wednesday night after the show. But they had
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camera people wearing face masks, mostly off camera, but there
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was a shock during the backstage golf cart bra whatever
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it's going to be known as, and you can see, oh, okay,
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they're wearing face good, Like that's good. I kind of
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wish referees were. I wish, you know, there weren't interviewers
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holding microphones right next to wrestlers, and I wish referees
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wearing face masks. I would be I just think that
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would be the right call to make, and I think
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everyone's going to be more at ease with it for
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the reasons you said, thatch. But w B doesn't have
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camera people wearing face masks, you know, and to me,
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that's that is so that's so unncessary because they're rarely
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on camera, you know, the way w shoots, they're rarely
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on camera, and it just would be safer, and so
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why not just be safer? I mean, like, there's just
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no good, there's not a justifiable reason. Aesthetically, you can say, well,
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with referees, blah blah blah, I'll disagree with you, thik,
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refere should be face masks in this era. But camera
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people who aren't even on camera unless there's a little
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brief mistake, absolutely shows that is revealing of the attitude
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that they have. And they think that they're bulletproof because
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while we're taking temperature and asking people that they're self
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isolating on some honor system. And I don't know if
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they're taking the tests or not. But even if everybody's
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getting tested, even if they're that readily available for them,
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which then you can argue should they be for entertainers.
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But even if they are, and there's plenty of them,
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they're not one hundred percent accurate. They're just not that
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we don't know enough to know right now seventy percent
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give or take a sort of the estimate. And you
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can be and I honestly think there's people who don't
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know this. You can be asymptomatic. You can have no symptoms,
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especially if you're young and healthy, and be contagious and
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not know it so, or you can be sick, or
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you can be sick and contagious but not show symptoms
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until two days after you're having a hawk fest with
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a pregnant lady. So yeah, anyway you're responsible yep.
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And like again yeah, I mean if if something happens
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and like even if it's not related to that, yeah scene,
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you know, that's you know, and you got to think
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that if they're not paying attention to that, it just
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it fans the flames for who people are, Like they
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shouldn't be doing these shows because if they're not doing that,
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what else aren't they doing?
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Yeah, I mean, look, yeah, if if somebody's gonna fly
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another analog's analogy night here. If if I'm if I
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let's say I have a private helicopter ride and the
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help the guy who's gonna fly my helicopter shows up
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and in his car and he's driving it, but he's
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texting while driving and he's not wearing a seat belt,
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and you know, like I'm gonna be like, you know,
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there's some judgment there that maybe makes me question whether
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he's going to check the helicopter for safety and you know,
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be the best judge whether the weather conditions are safe.
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Like there, you know, it doesn't have to be doing
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one thing wrong that has to go wrong. It's it's
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the idea that they're just showing bad judgment in a
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place that's completely unnecessary for the for pulling off a show.
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And I just my my parameters for being able to
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relax at all watching a wrestling show in this environment
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was getting a sense from start to finish on camera
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much less what I hear off camera, but on camera
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that they're making good judgment calls. And that hasn't been
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universally the case. And I don't think what I'm asking
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and what you're asking is all that much, you know,
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And it's it's the like the bare minimum of acceptability
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and they're not even hiding that threshold. And so, you know,
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I mean just kind of shame on them.
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And it's what the whole world is doing too.
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It's not like they're being asked to do something that
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nobody else is doing.
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Anybody's doing this.
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Even the White House as of today, you know, with
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the couple of exceptions. You know, it's like so exactly
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all right, Tom, Mike, you're still with us? Any any
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follow up on that or a new topic?
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Yeah?
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About the as far as like the no wrestling in
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the empty arenas and all that, like not enjoying wrestling.
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I mean, yeah, I mean I love for Yeah, I
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love pro wrestling, so I don't necessarily need the fans
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to enjoy. I agree with you guys who enjoy the action,
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you know, especially if it's if it's guys I'm a
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big fan of or a big fan of, like for instance,
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if it's like a dream match like Ria Ripley or
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Charlotte WrestleMania. Look how good that match was?
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Yep, it was so good.
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I really enjoyed that, you know, the selling And like
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a a caller brought up on Friday Night that if
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you notice how the women really sell, like they really
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stand out doing all this, like they really benefit out
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of this, Like they sell and they talk trash to
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each other, you know, like they really come off.
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Wrestlers who are using crouch crowd reactions as sort of
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a crush. I shouldn't say a crutch because it is
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part of the art. But if that if that factor,
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I'll call it because crutch is sort of judging. But
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if you take that fact or away, it does expose
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some people that they were relying on interaction with the crowd,
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and and and it is a good skill to have,
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and I really am trying to check myself and not
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make it seem like, oh, that's a bad thing, But
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this is sort of stripping away a little bit of
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patting that some wrestlers had who couldn't on their own
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tell a story in the ring. And so I think,
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whether it's the you know, Lucia house party getting a
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push and having these like really nice matches on SmackDown,
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like good good action and you know there have been
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booked terribly and and diminished to a degree that I
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think is unnesser even in a lot, even this this
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week last night, but they're rising while someone like bron
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Stroman and Bray Wyatt without the fiend gimmickry is sort
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of being exposed. And so there is you know it
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is uh. It's it's like the Analogy night. It's like
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the live singer in a band who doesn't know the
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band in the audience, the band playing for him, and
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he's got to go solo without without a microphone, he's
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got to sing. You get exposed sometimes, as got hal
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picked on Chris Jericho on the UH for being exposed
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on on the singing competition reality show whatever it was
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fifteen years ago, it was like did you see that?
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Oh that was gone awful? And it was like, yeah,
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you couldn't carry a tune on that particular instance because
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he was out of his element and some people are
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out of their element. And yeah, so anyway, Chris Jericho
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has been great this year. I just want to say
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that I'm gonna try to not try to pick on them,
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but it just it fit. It fit the analogy for sure,
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could Mike anything else?
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Yeah, how do you guys feel I like the match
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tonight with Bliss and Cross versus the Iconics, How do
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you guys feel about possibly that being a tag team
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title match in the future, any Iconics becoming the champions
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or do you think blissing Cross should retain. I mean,
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the only thing I don't like about it is I
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don't like how.
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They do these non title matches and then that's how
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01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:57.279
you get your shot, Like they should be like the
1667
01:18:57.479 --> 01:19:01.399
Iconics should have to defeat so many tag teams before
1668
01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:04.560
they get to Bliss and Cross. Any That's the only
1669
01:19:04.680 --> 01:19:05.039
I don't like.
1670
01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:09.479
Thanks Mike, anyone who hadn't noticed that that that speaking
1671
01:19:09.520 --> 01:19:13.079
of a booking crutch? Yeah, I mean, my god, they
1672
01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:15.359
had to figure it out tonight. If they hadn't last
1673
01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:18.399
week or the week before. It's just it is ridiculous now.
1674
01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:20.239
It is.
1675
01:19:20.319 --> 01:19:22.520
I mean, it's it's I feel like they're they're trolling
1676
01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:25.760
me at this point because it's just it, and I
1677
01:19:25.800 --> 01:19:29.159
think they Todd phillips on commentary today touched the Tom
1678
01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:32.720
phillips On commentary. I think he just outright alluded to it,
1679
01:19:32.800 --> 01:19:35.800
you know, he said that, hey, you know, people in WWE,
1680
01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:38.119
if you can, if you can pin the champions, you
1681
01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:40.600
get a you know, a shot down the road. And
1682
01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:43.479
it's just like, wait a minute, like you're taking you're
1683
01:19:43.479 --> 01:19:45.239
taking all the story out of this. And what I
1684
01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:48.680
never understood in this era of Okay, w W is
1685
01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:50.359
this content generator.
1686
01:19:50.359 --> 01:19:50.760
It's like.
1687
01:19:52.239 --> 01:19:55.159
It takes time to tell these stories. So why not
1688
01:19:55.239 --> 01:19:58.439
have the iconics come in and give them a five
1689
01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:01.000
or six week program where they were there, They work
1690
01:20:01.039 --> 01:20:03.560
their way up, they cut promos, they talk about being gone,
1691
01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:04.960
they talk about being back.
1692
01:20:05.119 --> 01:20:07.279
What winning is gonna mean to them, either as a
1693
01:20:07.319 --> 01:20:08.960
heel or babyface or what have you.
1694
01:20:09.159 --> 01:20:12.399
But that takes time, that segments on shows week after
1695
01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:16.159
week after week, and instead, in this instance, you're getting
1696
01:20:16.439 --> 01:20:18.439
this week. And I think they think they announced the
1697
01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:19.760
title match for for next week.
1698
01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:22.479
I want to say yeah, and then that's it. It's not,
1699
01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:24.319
and you don't learn anything about it.
1700
01:20:24.319 --> 01:20:27.960
It's just it's such a waste of just good or
1701
01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:32.199
potentially good or at least filler stuff. And I just
1702
01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:34.560
don't I just don't see the benefit of it at all.
1703
01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:38.279
No, it's it's just shortcut booking. And it's it's I mean,
1704
01:20:38.920 --> 01:20:41.039
it's it's phoning it in, you know. I mean, it's
1705
01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:43.359
just it's phoning in your booking when you just decide, okay,
1706
01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:45.279
conducts are back. Well I went and on title matches,
1707
01:20:45.319 --> 01:20:46.479
like didn't we do that last week and the week
1708
01:20:46.479 --> 01:20:48.239
before and the week before. Yeah, whatever, just let's get
1709
01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:51.880
the script done. I mean that's what process. Yeah cool, Mike,
1710
01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:53.760
appreciate the Cally.
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01:20:53.960 --> 01:20:55.239
Thanks, Yeah, you met. Good.
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01:20:55.279 --> 01:20:55.600
Hear for you.
1713
01:20:59.000 --> 01:21:02.319
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1714
01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:05.119
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1715
01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:06.920
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1716
01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:10.279
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01:21:10.439 --> 01:21:15.720
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1718
01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:17.560
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1719
01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:20.000
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1720
01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:23.680
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1721
01:21:23.800 --> 01:21:27.399
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1722
01:21:27.399 --> 01:21:29.520
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1723
01:21:29.640 --> 01:21:31.479
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1724
01:21:31.640 --> 01:21:43.560
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1725
01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:46.159
All right, we will now go to four, one, three.
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01:21:46.760 --> 01:21:48.239
There's two of you that. Don't be confused if you're
1727
01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:49.800
hear a tone. I think there should be a tone
1728
01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:51.279
that's you go at state your name and where you're
1729
01:21:51.279 --> 01:21:52.000
calling from.
1730
01:21:52.840 --> 01:21:54.399
Its just me Rich from Los Angeles.
1731
01:21:54.479 --> 01:21:55.640
Yeah, what was your first name for Mela?
1732
01:21:56.039 --> 01:21:56.800
Oh what's going on?
1733
01:21:56.840 --> 01:21:57.960
Wade A?
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01:21:58.159 --> 01:21:58.359
Rich?
1735
01:21:58.640 --> 01:21:58.800
Oh?
1736
01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:02.840
Rich? Great? Yeah, Goodrich, thanks for calling. Yeah so oh.
1737
01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:04.840
Yeah man, thanks, thanks for getting back to me today
1738
01:22:04.840 --> 01:22:05.720
in the email. Yeah.
1739
01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:07.760
Absolutely, Thanks for your patience and we we had so
1740
01:22:07.800 --> 01:22:11.439
many calls to a long time Yeah.
1741
01:22:11.479 --> 01:22:13.279
Oh no, that's great. I mean I listened all the time,
1742
01:22:13.359 --> 01:22:15.840
like I said, but a long time listener, first time college,
1743
01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:18.439
so it's good to good to jump on with you guys.
1744
01:22:18.239 --> 01:22:18.880
For the first time.
1745
01:22:19.840 --> 01:22:20.319
Tremendous.
1746
01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:25.279
Yeah, we'll take about it. Oh yeah, well, you know,
1747
01:22:25.399 --> 01:22:28.119
usually I have bartiend, and after like seven weeks with
1748
01:22:28.239 --> 01:22:31.359
bartending being shut down out here, I realize like, oh,
1749
01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:34.880
I'm actually watching Raw now instead of fast forwarding throve
1750
01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:37.439
it on a Tuesday. So that's that's one thing I
1751
01:22:37.479 --> 01:22:38.720
want to get it to with you guys is like
1752
01:22:40.039 --> 01:22:42.319
you know, for the longest time, and it's wanting to
1753
01:22:42.359 --> 01:22:45.920
give a thumbs up to you guys and all the
1754
01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:49.159
podcasts because like the network and you guys, and and
1755
01:22:49.359 --> 01:22:55.239
the Labs fan and obviously our Conrad shows. It kind
1756
01:22:55.279 --> 01:22:57.079
of got me back into realizing like, oh I still
1757
01:22:57.159 --> 01:22:59.479
like wrestling, but I never watched wrestling. I sort of
1758
01:22:59.640 --> 01:23:02.520
wasn't And then I started listening to all you guys,
1759
01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:04.840
but a lot of your shows are about current stuff.
1760
01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:07.039
So I was like, oh man, I got to start
1761
01:23:07.079 --> 01:23:08.880
watching the current stuff again so I can listen to
1762
01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:11.239
these guys. So I just speed through it and I
1763
01:23:11.279 --> 01:23:13.760
would hardly like it. So one of my main questions
1764
01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:16.039
I had to you is not directly towards tonight's show,
1765
01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:20.359
but how much do you think that that Vince and
1766
01:23:20.720 --> 01:23:27.079
Triple H and whoever even realize that so many people
1767
01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:30.680
in this generation that the podcasts have blown up so huge,
1768
01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:32.520
and you know, huge things up to you and all
1769
01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:33.239
your co hosts.
1770
01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:35.760
You know, I enjoy it so much every week look
1771
01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:36.600
forward to all the shows.
1772
01:23:36.680 --> 01:23:40.319
But how much do you think they're even realizing how
1773
01:23:40.359 --> 01:23:42.760
many of us even watch the shows because we listen
1774
01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:44.199
to podcasts, you know what I mean.
1775
01:23:44.600 --> 01:23:46.920
Well, if they look at the ratings, they're not happy
1776
01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:50.359
with us right now, because they might they might think
1777
01:23:50.399 --> 01:23:52.119
we're substituting.
1778
01:23:51.600 --> 01:23:54.199
Okay, but no one I would think that they would
1779
01:23:54.239 --> 01:23:57.760
realize that. Man, we used to be called quote unquote
1780
01:23:57.800 --> 01:24:01.039
Internet fans, which was ridiculous because the Internet's existed for
1781
01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:04.239
twenty years now and as recently as like seven or
1782
01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:06.520
eight years ago. Oh the Internet fans. Like when I
1783
01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:08.640
first started listening to you guys and stuff. It's like
1784
01:24:09.399 --> 01:24:12.640
the early network days where like everybody wanted Daniel Bryant
1785
01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:15.560
to win the Royal Rumball and then I was supposed
1786
01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:18.119
to go to that Raw that got canceled in Connecticut
1787
01:24:18.239 --> 01:24:21.600
and they had the Snow Night, so they moved into
1788
01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:24.279
SmackDown and like the whole night in the commercial breaks,
1789
01:24:24.279 --> 01:24:25.920
they just made fun of us for like Shanne for
1790
01:24:26.039 --> 01:24:29.239
Daniel Bryan and it's like, Okay, so we're just the
1791
01:24:29.359 --> 01:24:33.600
Internet fans. But now all these years later, Bruce Pritchard
1792
01:24:33.640 --> 01:24:36.119
gets a job back, Eric Bishock gets a job back,
1793
01:24:36.199 --> 01:24:38.760
Paul Hayby gets a job back, Jim Ross is on TV,
1794
01:24:39.079 --> 01:24:42.159
Tony Savanti's on TV. So it's like, okay, so the
1795
01:24:42.319 --> 01:24:44.119
Internet kind of is telling you what to do, but
1796
01:24:44.159 --> 01:24:44.840
you won't admit that.
1797
01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:45.920
I'm just I'm just curious.
1798
01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:48.960
It's like when they'll admit that it's not the Internet fans,
1799
01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:51.479
it's just that it's a different time, you know what
1800
01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:53.279
I mean, Like like when they had to go away
1801
01:24:53.359 --> 01:24:57.079
from doing what they were doing to compete with Nitro,
1802
01:24:57.800 --> 01:25:00.279
and I think that that's what they're facing right now. Tonight,
1803
01:25:00.359 --> 01:25:03.279
for instance, there was blood on the show at the end.
1804
01:25:03.359 --> 01:25:06.000
Randy Orton said the word wrestling like five times. That's
1805
01:25:06.079 --> 01:25:08.359
five times more than I heard it in like aside
1806
01:25:08.359 --> 01:25:11.720
from calling the show WrestleMania in like a decade. You know,
1807
01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:15.800
it's like they never want to admit that their hand
1808
01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:17.239
is being pushed by somebody else.
1809
01:25:17.279 --> 01:25:19.520
I feel like, well, what do you think about that?
1810
01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:24.600
Sac Yeah, it's interesting, it's certain an interesting topic. I mean,
1811
01:25:25.520 --> 01:25:28.520
generally speaking, I think they're aware of of it.
1812
01:25:28.600 --> 01:25:31.520
I mean, they've got podcasts of their own that they
1813
01:25:31.800 --> 01:25:34.439
that they promote, you know, the Corey Graves one. So
1814
01:25:34.640 --> 01:25:36.960
I guess I just I give them a little credit
1815
01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:39.479
for being on you know, in the know on some
1816
01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:41.920
of that stuff. I just think that even though they
1817
01:25:42.039 --> 01:25:45.840
know about it, they they've got other they've got other priorities.
1818
01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:48.359
And so even though they know that people on on
1819
01:25:48.560 --> 01:25:50.279
podcasts are okay.
1820
01:25:50.319 --> 01:25:52.479
His Roman Reigns really the best guy to go with
1821
01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:54.960
as your top top guy, you know, they've got other
1822
01:25:55.479 --> 01:25:57.960
things that they're thinking about. And their answer is, well,
1823
01:25:58.239 --> 01:26:00.119
it doesn't matter what they're saying on those podcasts. We
1824
01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:02.640
know they exist, but we're going we're going in this direction.
1825
01:26:02.760 --> 01:26:05.680
So I kind of think they Yep, they know it's there,
1826
01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:09.319
and obviously they you know, use it to their advantage
1827
01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:12.800
when when they want to, and other times they just
1828
01:26:13.000 --> 01:26:15.279
kind of quietly look the other way, and sometimes not
1829
01:26:15.439 --> 01:26:17.680
quietly look the other way. But I think that they
1830
01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:21.600
they have the pulse of that in probably more than
1831
01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:23.600
more than we think they do, at least, especially like
1832
01:26:23.720 --> 01:26:25.439
you know, the Triple H's of the world and the
1833
01:26:25.760 --> 01:26:28.600
you know, the corporate people at that company because that stuff,
1834
01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:30.439
those metrics, those numbers matter.
1835
01:26:31.319 --> 01:26:34.840
Yeah. No, I do think podcasts are are Podcasts are
1836
01:26:34.920 --> 01:26:39.079
kind of the new wave of in you know, influence,
1837
01:26:39.239 --> 01:26:41.479
and you know Bellweather fans who kind of they're so
1838
01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:43.560
they're so into it they can kind of tell you
1839
01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:47.560
ahead of time what or they give you early indications
1840
01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:49.399
of of what's working and what's not. And I think
1841
01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:51.960
they should be tuned in too, you know, or at
1842
01:26:52.000 --> 01:26:54.079
least have people in the on staff tuned into what
1843
01:26:54.600 --> 01:26:56.640
what the uh, you know, what's being set out there.
1844
01:26:56.640 --> 01:26:57.800
I mean in the end, you know, you want to
1845
01:26:57.840 --> 01:27:00.680
pilot an auto fly a plane and and the passengers
1846
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:02.960
sit back and relax. But I think it's still good
1847
01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:05.239
to hear the fans, uh, you know, in in the
1848
01:27:05.399 --> 01:27:07.760
in the in the back rows, and and get a
1849
01:27:07.800 --> 01:27:10.279
sense of what they're doing. And certainly between social media
1850
01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:14.000
and call in shows especially or shows that rely heavily
1851
01:27:14.039 --> 01:27:16.760
in email, you got a world wide array of opinion,
1852
01:27:16.840 --> 01:27:19.079
you know, and and this is this show's unfiltered. Anybody
1853
01:27:19.159 --> 01:27:20.960
can call up and give any opinion they want, agree
1854
01:27:21.039 --> 01:27:23.479
or disagree, and and I think that has that has
1855
01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:25.800
real value. It's hard to it's hard to say, well,
1856
01:27:25.800 --> 01:27:28.239
those aren't real fans or they don't represent you know,
1857
01:27:28.439 --> 01:27:28.960
the the.
1858
01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:34.560
Yeah, because I feel like sometimes fans like myself, who
1859
01:27:35.479 --> 01:27:37.760
I'll watch the shows now, like I said, so that
1860
01:27:37.800 --> 01:27:39.680
I could like tune in listen to you guys, like
1861
01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:42.560
all your shows like with Bruce and then Everybody and
1862
01:27:43.279 --> 01:27:46.479
and uh in the Fix. Sometimes when I hate the
1863
01:27:46.479 --> 01:27:48.399
show the most is when I look forward. It's like
1864
01:27:48.520 --> 01:27:50.920
it's almost like Rooty and You're Viking sand Way. I
1865
01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:52.079
hate to say it, I'm a Bear fan.
1866
01:27:52.279 --> 01:27:55.039
Yeah, hey, hey, it's almost like Rooty.
1867
01:27:56.479 --> 01:27:59.000
Oh all right, but it's almost like rooting for your
1868
01:27:59.039 --> 01:28:00.800
sports team when they're at their worst.
1869
01:28:01.039 --> 01:28:01.760
You still watch.
1870
01:28:02.319 --> 01:28:04.600
You need you need others to like feel your pain.
1871
01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:05.319
With you, you know what I mean.
1872
01:28:06.079 --> 01:28:08.760
I've watched all the time, Like, but even tonight I
1873
01:28:08.840 --> 01:28:11.760
noticed some good spots, Like I feel like before I'll
1874
01:28:11.800 --> 01:28:13.239
let you go because I remember other cause I want
1875
01:28:13.239 --> 01:28:16.039
to get on nice pots to you guys. But Oska
1876
01:28:16.720 --> 01:28:19.119
been tremendous, Like she I get a kick out of her,
1877
01:28:19.279 --> 01:28:22.000
like she's going so crazy on camera and the fact
1878
01:28:22.039 --> 01:28:25.159
that she doesn't have to like be so scripted because
1879
01:28:25.159 --> 01:28:28.520
she doesn't speak hardly any English. Facial expressions and her
1880
01:28:28.560 --> 01:28:31.159
wild behavior. She's been tremendous the past couple of nights
1881
01:28:31.239 --> 01:28:34.439
and uh, and these guys also think that maybe Drew
1882
01:28:35.359 --> 01:28:37.960
is kind of like what they wish Roman Reigns was
1883
01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:41.279
going to be because he seems so smooth. He's almost
1884
01:28:41.279 --> 01:28:43.680
like a mixture of like what they wanted Diesel to
1885
01:28:43.760 --> 01:28:45.239
be and what they want to Roll the Rains to
1886
01:28:45.279 --> 01:28:46.600
be is kind of what I watched through and like
1887
01:28:46.800 --> 01:28:49.600
he seems smooth and cool, Like I'm okay with watching
1888
01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:52.760
his Claymore kick people, and it seems like it's what
1889
01:28:52.840 --> 01:28:55.520
they wanted out of those two. You know, thanks a lot.
1890
01:28:55.560 --> 01:28:57.560
I'll let some other callers get on, but I'll definitely
1891
01:28:57.560 --> 01:28:59.079
call you guys. It's good time talking to you.
1892
01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:01.279
All right, Yeah, yeah, can an appointment to call us?
1893
01:29:01.279 --> 01:29:04.600
Appreciate it? Yeah, very cool hearing from some new people
1894
01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:06.560
today for sure, So hopefully you can keep that up.
1895
01:29:06.960 --> 01:29:09.039
We'll be here Wednesday night after a w Dynamite, Friday
1896
01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:10.960
night after SmackDown on the Back here next Monday night too.
1897
01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:13.399
But yeah, it was a strange show and we had
1898
01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:22.600
we we've had a lot to talk about. Let's let's
1899
01:29:22.600 --> 01:29:23.920
go to the other four one three who's been on
1900
01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:26.800
holds Forever. Also four one three go it. State your
1901
01:29:26.840 --> 01:29:27.720
name and where you're calling from.
1902
01:29:28.399 --> 01:29:30.279
Anyway, This is Dave from Holy Math.
1903
01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:32.720
Hey, Dave, Good, hear from you what you think of
1904
01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:36.119
our rot tonight? Good? I liked it.
1905
01:29:37.359 --> 01:29:41.560
Yeah, it's you know, I've been I find myself enjoying
1906
01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:44.840
it more and more and actually watching the whole thing
1907
01:29:44.880 --> 01:29:48.199
I teach. And so we're still teaching Bassie at home,
1908
01:29:48.239 --> 01:29:50.600
so let's given me a little more time to kind
1909
01:29:50.600 --> 01:29:54.560
of sit down and bring it all in. I think
1910
01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:58.279
it's hoping that since I'm home all the time on
1911
01:29:58.439 --> 01:30:00.640
Friday as they give my wife to TV, so I
1912
01:30:01.439 --> 01:30:03.359
DVR Snack Dan, but I don't tend to actually end
1913
01:30:03.439 --> 01:30:06.840
up watching it, so as opposed to watching five six
1914
01:30:06.920 --> 01:30:09.199
hours a week of wrestling, I kind of cut that
1915
01:30:09.319 --> 01:30:12.000
Friday out, which I think makes Mondays a little bit
1916
01:30:12.159 --> 01:30:14.439
more easy to digest.
1917
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Oh sure, yeah, I mean over exposure has is I
1918
01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:20.159
think the number one reason w Chevy is not around today.
1919
01:30:20.399 --> 01:30:24.520
I mean is just grow test over exposure and you know,
1920
01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:27.600
the roster and the booking staff, everybody, they just go
1921
01:30:27.640 --> 01:30:29.800
and handle it. And I think from a fan standpoint,
1922
01:30:30.199 --> 01:30:32.439
the best answer to burnout is pick your favorite show
1923
01:30:32.479 --> 01:30:34.479
and only watch that for a while, so you're left
1924
01:30:34.520 --> 01:30:37.159
wanting more. And let me say this, because we haven't
1925
01:30:37.159 --> 01:30:38.640
said it yet on this show. I said it last
1926
01:30:38.680 --> 01:30:41.319
night on the VIP roundtable, because for VIP members, we
1927
01:30:41.439 --> 01:30:42.960
do that. We've done this since like two thousand and
1928
01:30:43.279 --> 01:30:46.239
four or five, the Post Paper round tables for our subscribers.
1929
01:30:46.439 --> 01:30:48.159
Todd Martin and Bruce Mitchell joined me, and like all
1930
01:30:48.159 --> 01:30:50.279
we could do is just like gleefully celebrated two and
1931
01:30:50.319 --> 01:30:52.279
a half hour pay per view, Like I mean, it
1932
01:30:52.359 --> 01:30:53.800
was just like we were just like I think we
1933
01:30:53.920 --> 01:30:57.720
reviewed the show better than we would have, and I
1934
01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:01.039
was more willing to accept it and even embrace aspects
1935
01:31:01.079 --> 01:31:03.439
of that, of that silly money in the bank climb,
1936
01:31:03.479 --> 01:31:06.960
the corporate ladder match, because I was like, they didn't overstay,
1937
01:31:06.960 --> 01:31:10.000
They're welcome. We didn't have some needlessly long, forty minute
1938
01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:12.600
empty arena match, and they didn't they edited it down.
1939
01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:15.039
It was what we rooted for with the Edge Jordan match,
1940
01:31:15.199 --> 01:31:16.920
you know what we're rooting for. The lesson would be
1941
01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:19.039
from that, which is it was just too long, and
1942
01:31:19.560 --> 01:31:24.720
so I just I have to insert thank you, a congratulations,
1943
01:31:24.880 --> 01:31:27.760
holleli jah whatever. Two and a half hours during this
1944
01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:30.960
empty arena era is a good amount for a major show.
1945
01:31:31.239 --> 01:31:32.840
And when the crowds are back, go go to three,
1946
01:31:32.920 --> 01:31:34.720
you know, go to to ours fifty minutes or three
1947
01:31:34.760 --> 01:31:39.039
hours ten minutes max. But yeah, that was that was nice.
1948
01:31:39.079 --> 01:31:41.359
So anyway, sorry, I was shocked.
1949
01:31:41.399 --> 01:31:44.800
So I watched Money in the Bank in a couple
1950
01:31:44.840 --> 01:31:48.159
of pieces because of the last dance and Mother's Day,
1951
01:31:48.279 --> 01:31:50.720
so you know, we did some we disagreed with the family.
1952
01:31:50.760 --> 01:31:54.039
And then so late last night I stopped watching after
1953
01:31:54.119 --> 01:31:58.000
the Drew mac Entire seth Rollins match, and I was watching,
1954
01:31:58.079 --> 01:31:59.920
but that wasn't keeping track of the kind of where
1955
01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:01.560
they were with the card and all that stuff. And
1956
01:32:02.479 --> 01:32:05.359
then so I sat down late at night and I
1957
01:32:05.479 --> 01:32:07.439
was just ready. I was like, all right, well, got
1958
01:32:07.439 --> 01:32:10.000
a couple hours here at least probably, and then you know,
1959
01:32:10.239 --> 01:32:12.520
it was just one forty or like thirty minutes or
1960
01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:13.920
something in the ladder mats, and I was like two
1961
01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:17.880
hours and twenty three minutes. What something's wrong with the network?
1962
01:32:18.840 --> 01:32:21.319
That's was my first thought. I was like, what happened here?
1963
01:32:21.399 --> 01:32:23.680
But it was so refreshing, it was great.
1964
01:32:24.279 --> 01:32:28.640
Yeah, yep, this is uh I hope it's the beginning
1965
01:32:28.680 --> 01:32:31.159
of something. But anyway, Dave, I interrupted you to make
1966
01:32:31.199 --> 01:32:33.520
sure I said that, but go ahead with your Yeah.
1967
01:32:33.640 --> 01:32:37.840
No, I couldn't believe yeah that the match wasn't longer. Yeah,
1968
01:32:38.119 --> 01:32:41.159
last night, I was expecting a good hour at the end,
1969
01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:44.159
since since they had gone through anything else so quick.
1970
01:32:46.399 --> 01:32:46.600
Yeah.
1971
01:32:46.640 --> 01:32:48.960
I guess probably two things that I'll try to bring
1972
01:32:49.039 --> 01:32:51.439
up a new thing. But the first thing I've been
1973
01:32:51.479 --> 01:32:54.399
thinking of was when I turned on Rise, I saw
1974
01:32:54.479 --> 01:32:57.039
they were doing the basketball game. So I texted a
1975
01:32:57.119 --> 01:33:00.319
friend and I was like, yeah, like, what what are
1976
01:33:00.319 --> 01:33:03.159
we watching a basketball game between the Viking Raiders and
1977
01:33:03.439 --> 01:33:06.800
Street Profits. This is you know, what's going on? And
1978
01:33:07.279 --> 01:33:12.319
it came on and I'm I'm sympathetic idea that if
1979
01:33:12.600 --> 01:33:17.239
if you want to build the Viking Raiders to be
1980
01:33:17.439 --> 01:33:22.520
credible and these beasts and you know, champions and all
1981
01:33:22.600 --> 01:33:25.039
sorts of stuff like that, then in the long term
1982
01:33:25.479 --> 01:33:28.279
this is probably not good for them. But in the
1983
01:33:28.359 --> 01:33:31.039
short term of me being someone that's sitting down on
1984
01:33:31.119 --> 01:33:36.159
a Monday night watching TV, I laughed, you know, and
1985
01:33:36.439 --> 01:33:37.960
and they got me. At that point, I was like,
1986
01:33:38.000 --> 01:33:40.640
all right, maybe this is not the best use of
1987
01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:44.880
the Viking Raiders, but I'm sitting here enjoying myself watching
1988
01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:47.439
these guys be stupid playing basketball.
1989
01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:53.640
Yep, yep, Zach, you want to ad anything to that.
1990
01:33:54.520 --> 01:33:57.640
Well, yeah, no, no, Look I mean I I you know,
1991
01:33:57.880 --> 01:34:00.880
to tease their own I I just for me, it's like,
1992
01:34:01.119 --> 01:34:04.279
if I want to find some comedy like that, there's
1993
01:34:04.520 --> 01:34:07.479
another handful of other places that I can go. And
1994
01:34:07.800 --> 01:34:10.199
I just I guess in my opinion on this too
1995
01:34:10.359 --> 01:34:13.279
is I think the Viking Raiders, I mean, they're a
1996
01:34:13.319 --> 01:34:15.239
good tag team, you know, and sort of the street
1997
01:34:15.239 --> 01:34:16.960
profit is when they're presented in the right way. So
1998
01:34:17.439 --> 01:34:21.199
just for me personally, continuously seeing them in this way,
1999
01:34:21.840 --> 01:34:23.920
I guess in my head it's like, all right there,
2000
01:34:24.680 --> 01:34:26.640
it's gonna be really hard to get them back on
2001
01:34:26.720 --> 01:34:28.880
the other side of this, which is, hey, we need
2002
01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:32.479
to be serious and compete for championships. And that's that's
2003
01:34:32.520 --> 01:34:35.159
where I get I get held up. So yeah, I
2004
01:34:35.239 --> 01:34:37.039
mean I think I said all.
2005
01:34:38.560 --> 01:34:38.600
That.
2006
01:34:39.079 --> 01:34:42.520
Yeah, yeah, I'll go ahead, Davinithil.
2007
01:34:43.199 --> 01:34:45.800
Yeah, just one quick note about last night, and the
2008
01:34:45.880 --> 01:34:48.880
one quick note about tonight that last night just kind
2009
01:34:48.920 --> 01:34:51.520
of go with the entertainment thing. One thing that jumped
2010
01:34:51.560 --> 01:34:54.000
out to me about you know, speaking the Viking Raiders
2011
01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:56.279
and speaking out you know, how can they do things
2012
01:34:56.359 --> 01:34:59.000
different that's maybe not just three hours of wrestling and
2013
01:34:59.319 --> 01:35:02.720
trying to bring and more, uh, you know, outside things
2014
01:35:02.800 --> 01:35:06.199
that that kind of freshens things up. My wife, who
2015
01:35:06.359 --> 01:35:09.279
watches wrestling with me, if you know, there's nothing else on,
2016
01:35:09.439 --> 01:35:14.079
she's sitting there and stuff. She watches Ninety Day Fiance
2017
01:35:14.560 --> 01:35:18.039
on Sundays, and so she was watching that last night.
2018
01:35:18.720 --> 01:35:21.319
But she knew from you know, from watching wrestling with
2019
01:35:21.439 --> 01:35:23.640
me that Money in the Bank was going to be
2020
01:35:23.840 --> 01:35:26.319
more of a cinematic. They were going to climb and
2021
01:35:26.640 --> 01:35:29.199
go through the Titan towers and stuff like that. So
2022
01:35:29.359 --> 01:35:32.399
she turned off the show she was watching to watch
2023
01:35:32.479 --> 01:35:34.439
Money to watch that part of Money in the Bank
2024
01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:38.359
with me, which and she was entertained well enough, and
2025
01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:41.640
you know, she's not gonna watch she's casual enough, and
2026
01:35:41.680 --> 01:35:45.439
she's not gonna watch wrestling without me there. But I
2027
01:35:45.560 --> 01:35:50.119
do think there's something in this sort of in the
2028
01:35:50.199 --> 01:35:53.279
sort of pandemic type wrestling that were watching right now
2029
01:35:53.800 --> 01:35:55.760
that they can learn from to a degree. Great, because
2030
01:35:55.760 --> 01:35:58.760
the hardcore fans they're gonna watch, you know, for the
2031
01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:00.920
most part, you know, even it's just by Habby, you're
2032
01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:02.720
going to keep it on and you don't want to
2033
01:36:02.760 --> 01:36:07.279
go all jokes are all new stuff. But there's definitely
2034
01:36:07.359 --> 01:36:09.239
things that can be learned from this experience that's going
2035
01:36:09.279 --> 01:36:11.680
to keep some of these casual fans are eventually gained,
2036
01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:15.239
some of these casual fans to find some entertainment in wrestling.
2037
01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:18.279
Yeah, yeah, go ahead, Zach respond to that too.
2038
01:36:19.680 --> 01:36:22.000
Yeah, I mean, I think that's true. You know.
2039
01:36:22.079 --> 01:36:24.079
I think, like, like we talked about earlier on the show,
2040
01:36:24.119 --> 01:36:28.079
you know, got to try try new things. And I think,
2041
01:36:28.479 --> 01:36:30.920
you know, the last time I was on Wait, I
2042
01:36:30.960 --> 01:36:33.760
think that's when they made the announcement about the you know,
2043
01:36:33.920 --> 01:36:36.520
the the new look money in the banks ladder match
2044
01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:38.800
that we saw last night, And you know, you got
2045
01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:41.079
to try stuff like that during this time, and I
2046
01:36:41.159 --> 01:36:43.239
think fans are receptive to that.
2047
01:36:43.680 --> 01:36:46.279
I think, you know, different things are going to work
2048
01:36:46.319 --> 01:36:49.479
for different people, and there's nothing wrong with with with
2049
01:36:49.840 --> 01:36:51.000
with trying some stuff out.
2050
01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:53.680
And I think, you know, look, I think WWE at
2051
01:36:53.680 --> 01:36:56.960
WrestleMania with the Boneyard match was like, hey, we're trying
2052
01:36:57.000 --> 01:36:59.279
something here and we'll see if this works. And hey,
2053
01:36:59.319 --> 01:37:02.159
it was met with some some critical acclaim that's that's good.
2054
01:37:02.560 --> 01:37:04.880
I think, just like anything else, you got to be
2055
01:37:05.159 --> 01:37:05.800
careful with it.
2056
01:37:05.840 --> 01:37:07.000
You know, it can't be every.
2057
01:37:06.840 --> 01:37:10.880
Single money at raw that we see some cinematic match.
2058
01:37:10.960 --> 01:37:13.399
I would argue that, you know, maybe a couple of
2059
01:37:13.439 --> 01:37:16.640
times a year, maybe once the pandemic is over. But
2060
01:37:17.199 --> 01:37:19.159
you know, they've got another tool in the toolbox that
2061
01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:21.479
they can pull out when they need to. And I
2062
01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:24.880
just think different things will you know, hit with different
2063
01:37:24.880 --> 01:37:27.399
people and I'll miss with with with other people, and
2064
01:37:28.000 --> 01:37:29.800
you know, it's a trial and error.
2065
01:37:29.640 --> 01:37:30.079
At this point.
2066
01:37:30.119 --> 01:37:32.439
And I think you're starting to see just week to
2067
01:37:32.520 --> 01:37:36.960
week things, just like we said, with just the standard matches,
2068
01:37:37.039 --> 01:37:38.920
like the wrestlers are learning how to adapt.
2069
01:37:39.159 --> 01:37:40.279
Things are getting a little bit better.
2070
01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:42.239
You're seeing, you know, the cream of the crop in
2071
01:37:42.359 --> 01:37:45.720
terms of ring guys rise to the top in that environment.
2072
01:37:45.800 --> 01:37:49.159
And I think you'll see other guys shining in different environments,
2073
01:37:49.239 --> 01:37:50.840
like someone like Otis, for example.
2074
01:37:50.840 --> 01:37:52.560
I know he's not a raw guy, but you know
2075
01:37:52.800 --> 01:37:53.359
he's a guy that.
2076
01:37:53.640 --> 01:37:56.039
Could have a lot of value for WWE during this
2077
01:37:56.159 --> 01:37:58.159
time because he can be a part of a lot
2078
01:37:58.239 --> 01:38:00.720
of different kinds of segments. He's the sympathetic baby face,
2079
01:38:00.760 --> 01:38:03.279
he could be a comedic guy. You know, he can
2080
01:38:03.560 --> 01:38:05.720
play a lot of different play a lot of different roles.
2081
01:38:05.760 --> 01:38:08.720
So I mean, I'm all for trying new things. Not
2082
01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:11.760
everything's gonna work tonight. The basketball thing didn't work for me,
2083
01:38:12.039 --> 01:38:13.800
it worked for you, and so we'll see what comes
2084
01:38:13.840 --> 01:38:14.720
to the table next week.
2085
01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:17.039
Uh, dave anything else?
2086
01:38:18.760 --> 01:38:21.520
Yeah, there's just one last thing. Just give it, give
2087
01:38:21.560 --> 01:38:23.920
you something else to look at. I'm not one to
2088
01:38:24.560 --> 01:38:27.000
usually complaint because I sort of just take stuff where
2089
01:38:27.039 --> 01:38:30.960
it is, but but something that that just kind of
2090
01:38:31.039 --> 01:38:33.880
jumped to me tonight, I actually like, Baron Corbin, you're
2091
01:38:33.920 --> 01:38:36.079
going back to this NXT. I really like to give
2092
01:38:36.119 --> 01:38:39.520
me an XC where you sort of hey, you indie guys,
2093
01:38:39.560 --> 01:38:41.840
you worked forever to get here. They you know, they
2094
01:38:42.039 --> 01:38:44.800
called me, and I like is in ring work. So
2095
01:38:45.399 --> 01:38:48.720
I don't mind being Corbet at all. But when Drew
2096
01:38:48.800 --> 01:38:52.399
McIntyre announced, you know that he's, uh he's going against
2097
01:38:52.479 --> 01:38:55.479
Corba next week, that was not uh, not exactly an
2098
01:38:55.560 --> 01:38:56.960
exciting announcement for me.
2099
01:38:58.119 --> 01:39:03.720
I mean, if yeah, I mean Corbin's I've said Corbyn
2100
01:39:03.840 --> 01:39:07.039
is I think way his act works way better in
2101
01:39:07.039 --> 01:39:09.640
front of a crowd than in a backstage interview, and
2102
01:39:09.720 --> 01:39:13.760
I thought his interview was pretty blah tonight. There's just
2103
01:39:13.840 --> 01:39:16.039
something about him he just does There's just something gets
2104
01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:20.760
turned off in his charisma that gets turned on when
2105
01:39:20.760 --> 01:39:22.279
he's in front of a crowd on those promos, and
2106
01:39:22.640 --> 01:39:26.279
or maybe it's just the material gets exposed more and
2107
01:39:26.760 --> 01:39:28.399
it's it's just not that good, but when the crowd's
2108
01:39:28.439 --> 01:39:30.680
really reacting, he kind of feeds off it enough for it.
2109
01:39:31.199 --> 01:39:34.000
But I mean, yeah, it's just but he'll come in
2110
01:39:34.079 --> 01:39:35.760
and we'll see what you're can do with him. I mean,
2111
01:39:35.800 --> 01:39:37.960
he's he's gonna be against somebody who's his size. I
2112
01:39:38.359 --> 01:39:41.000
am really curious what Vince McMahon is going to do
2113
01:39:41.079 --> 01:39:44.119
in that match, because he's tried to protect Baron Corbin,
2114
01:39:44.359 --> 01:39:46.560
you know. I mean Corbyn is kind of his you know,
2115
01:39:46.840 --> 01:39:49.000
New JBL type guy, you know, the big guy who
2116
01:39:49.039 --> 01:39:53.159
can talk carry TV time, have serviceable matches against a
2117
01:39:53.199 --> 01:39:57.319
wide array of opponents, sometimes overachief based on expectations. Not always,
2118
01:39:57.359 --> 01:40:00.119
but sometimes he has. So I'm curious if he or
2119
01:40:00.199 --> 01:40:02.319
texts Corbyn and they try to build this into something
2120
01:40:02.359 --> 01:40:05.359
for backlash, or if they just have a competitive, you know,
2121
01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:07.079
twelve or two minute match and there's a claim more,
2122
01:40:07.119 --> 01:40:08.439
and Corbyn goes back to SmackDown.
2123
01:40:10.239 --> 01:40:11.760
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
2124
01:40:11.920 --> 01:40:15.000
I'm if I had to bet, I'd bet on the ladder.
2125
01:40:15.359 --> 01:40:18.479
But you know, and again, as we talked about earlier too,
2126
01:40:18.520 --> 01:40:20.840
I think this, this to me is just a it's
2127
01:40:20.920 --> 01:40:25.239
not necessarily meant to go, oh wow, that's exciting.
2128
01:40:25.560 --> 01:40:27.079
I need to sit down and watch this.
2129
01:40:27.199 --> 01:40:30.479
It's more so, oh god, you know, who's a fresh
2130
01:40:30.520 --> 01:40:32.399
opponent can we that we can put in there with
2131
01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:33.319
Drew McIntyre.
2132
01:40:33.439 --> 01:40:35.800
And and that's that's really the story here.
2133
01:40:35.880 --> 01:40:39.960
I think, Dave any closing words for you, No, that's it.
2134
01:40:40.319 --> 01:40:41.000
Thanks a lot, guys.
2135
01:40:41.159 --> 01:40:43.359
Oh cool, Yeah, great, great for coming, Thanks for calling,
2136
01:40:43.359 --> 01:40:43.960
great contribution.
2137
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All right, let's see here. We'll go to uh six
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one five next, go ahead six one five. State your
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name it where you call it from.
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Hey, guys, it's Sean B.
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fIF Mergerboro, Tennessee. How y'all doing tonight?
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Doing good? John, Thanks for hearing so long.
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01:41:39.119 --> 01:41:41.079
No, no, no problem, No, I like I said, Wait,
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That's what I appreciate about you guys, is you know,
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you always specify, you know, you guys call in, you know.
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And I appreciate everybody's contribution tonight talking about stuff. It's
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been really fun like listening to people's viewpoints on different things.
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But I want to say this way, Zack is good
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to talk to you. I wanted to say that I
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do to get on Jason Pile's show today, and I did.
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I told my gid degree so I will. I. I mean,
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I did give the Lighter Match an F. I did
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not care for it at all. And I again, I
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like the Boneyard match, and I liked the firefight Pum.
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I liked that they're trying to do other things. I
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just didn't care for what they did last night.
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And it was kind of.
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It was hard for me because I actually liked to
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show up until that point, and even though it was
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a short show, which was good, the ladder match just
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01:42:26.399 --> 01:42:28.079
didn't do anything for me. It just kind of took
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me out of the moment and I didn't and I
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wanted to. I wanted it to be a serious match
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as far as like it's for a big deal and
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it's for a briefcase, and it just kind of ended
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up being a crazy all kinds of weird stuff. But
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it was fine, Like I said, each their own and
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that was fine for me. I just didn't necessarily care
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for it.
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It's funny, like I mentioned a friend earlier on text,
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if that if they had serious people win. And I
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01:42:52.439 --> 01:42:55.640
don't want to like say that Otis and Oscar just
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comedy figures, because Otis is really effective what he's doing
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01:42:58.159 --> 01:43:00.800
and he's more than just you know, Aino type comedy
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figure right now. I think he's got more of an
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upside and he's being treated more seriously. And Oscar obviously
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world class athlete, maybe the best in the division right now.
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That said, her character has been you know, just zany
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and crazy and all that. They weren't it wasn't like
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meant to be the serious moment for Shane Basler or
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a serious moment for Alista Black, Like, I just don't
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know if that would have played as well. And I
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think I would have liked the match less had they
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had a more serious finish in with a straight face,
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tried to pretend that this was the same as a
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typical big money in the bank match that wasn't just
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full of sort of Benny Hill's zaniness. And I don't
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know that you could like Ed Jordan didn't work for
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me because they took it so seriously. It and to me,
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if you're gonna fight from the ground floor to the roof,
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you you're you're gonna have moments of comedy and levity.
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And not everything worked. Stephanie was awful, you know, John
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Lorenidis was whatever. I mean, I didn't need that, but
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01:43:54.399 --> 01:43:58.479
there were some fun cameos, and so I just think
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they're like the rules are different now, and I thought
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it worked well enough and I was entertained, and I'm
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just all this stuff goes in a different drawer for me,
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you know, I mean, I just it's not the same
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as it was six months ago, a year ago, or
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two years ago, and when this is all done, all
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this stuff goes in a separate drawer in terms of
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how we judge it in retrospect. So anyway, I mean,
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I've said, I've said what I said on that, But anyway,
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and I was.
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Listening to your guys's roundtable too. I really enjoyed the roundtable.
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And that's why I was kind of surprised. I kind
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of laughed because and that's why it was funny lick
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listening to Todd say you know that he enjoyed it.
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You know, For me, I was like, I was just
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anticipating him saying how bad he was going to not
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like this, So it was actually a different say he
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liked it, and I was like, Okay, well you threw
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me for a loop there, but but I liked this.
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You know what you guys said.
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You guys had a lot of good coins. I just
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you know, so he's throwing it. And that's what's great
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about this is, you know, we are. I'm glad that
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they are trying some different stuff, trying to throw some
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new things out there and not just be the same
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old w tows as they've always been. And but I
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was going to ask you you too, now that I
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do agree with you guys for sure that they needed
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to do a some kind of a roster thing and
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mix things up. That they just had to. They had
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no other option at this point. And so I'm curious
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01:45:09.960 --> 01:45:13.479
now with Oscar getting the briefcase. Thank god it wasn't Naya,
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Praise God.
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But what do they just have?
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Can they have Oscar maybe go well? I would like
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to see Shana obviously eventually beat Oscar at some point,
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but I don't want I would be able to get
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the title sooner rather than later, but I don't want
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the title just to flip flop and just her lose
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it right away. So I'd like to build something. But
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do you think that she'd go to SmackDown? And because
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I was thinking that they could have Bailey and Sasha
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get to their feud at some point down the road,
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Oscar hold on to the you know tile for a
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while and then maybe have Sasha, or they could have
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Sasha maybe come to her back to Raw and have
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01:45:52.560 --> 01:45:55.319
her you know, get with Oscar and do something there.
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I think they have some good options they can go with.
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01:45:58.640 --> 01:46:01.159
It would be fresh and something difference like where do
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01:46:01.239 --> 01:46:03.479
you think they could or where they might be thinking
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to go with Oscar now that she is the champion.
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Zach, do you just here as a placeholder who happened
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to be booked to win money in the bank and
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01:46:10.159 --> 01:46:12.479
Basler is going to just you know, destroy her and
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01:46:12.520 --> 01:46:14.640
they're going to move on to somebody else. Or is
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Oscar Basler kind of a few you can go to
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and then go back to it, and then go back
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01:46:19.000 --> 01:46:20.560
to it for a few matches in a few months
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in a row. What's the lay of the land? I mean,
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I haven't had a chance to have it really calibrate.
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01:46:25.840 --> 01:46:28.079
Yeah, I haven't really calibrated at all either, But I
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to me, Shana Basler is the key, and so I
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think you do, you know, put together, you know, a
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01:46:34.359 --> 01:46:37.159
couple of month program between her and her and Oscar
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01:46:37.359 --> 01:46:40.159
with the idea being that you you know, SHANEA. Basler
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01:46:40.199 --> 01:46:42.760
walks out of that as strong as possible, you know,
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01:46:43.039 --> 01:46:45.720
because I think, you know, the money match, She's got
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01:46:45.760 --> 01:46:48.399
two of them, really kind of three of them, Becky
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01:46:48.479 --> 01:46:53.760
Lynch obviously returning Becky Lynch facing a Shana Basler who's
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01:46:53.920 --> 01:46:56.960
on a you know, eighteen month or twelve month or
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whatever title reign.
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01:46:59.479 --> 01:47:01.600
Like that's that's that's a big deal.
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01:47:02.119 --> 01:47:03.920
I think also, you never know what's gonna happen with
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01:47:04.039 --> 01:47:06.960
Ronda Rousey and and Charlotte's out there for for Shane
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01:47:07.039 --> 01:47:11.119
Basler too at some point. So if it's me, yes,
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01:47:11.920 --> 01:47:14.520
Asca is a kind of a placeholder champion just to
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01:47:14.680 --> 01:47:17.720
get the belt on on Shana and then it's uh
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01:47:17.920 --> 01:47:19.880
and then it's the Shana Show on on on raw
2283
01:47:20.199 --> 01:47:22.520
for for quite some time. I think you really need
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01:47:22.640 --> 01:47:25.359
to commit to building her up. I think that's how
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01:47:25.920 --> 01:47:29.560
her act clicks and works as if it has those
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01:47:29.640 --> 01:47:32.880
wins behind it. You know, she needs that that credibility
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01:47:33.239 --> 01:47:36.560
with that character. And uh, I think she's proven too.
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01:47:36.680 --> 01:47:39.039
You know, she's had a proven run in NXT. She
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01:47:39.640 --> 01:47:42.399
she can carry segments, she can carry shows, she can
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01:47:42.479 --> 01:47:45.359
carry brands, and uh, you know, I think now's the
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01:47:45.399 --> 01:47:47.319
time with Becky on the shelf, you go there.
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01:47:50.640 --> 01:47:52.760
Yeah, yep, all right, Sean anything else?
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01:47:53.920 --> 01:47:57.439
Yeah, I agree. Shane tonight was her, you know, he
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01:47:57.600 --> 01:48:00.760
aligned for Becky was great and you know, I just
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01:48:00.880 --> 01:48:03.239
love it. I just hope they go to that point
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01:48:03.399 --> 01:48:05.680
because she needs to be the champion. She's a badass.
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01:48:05.800 --> 01:48:07.840
She needs to get that and get some you know,
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01:48:07.960 --> 01:48:11.439
steam behind her, But again, congrats for Becky. I'm definitely gonna,
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01:48:11.439 --> 01:48:13.199
you know, miss her wrestling because like I said, she's
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01:48:13.239 --> 01:48:15.760
phenomenal in the ring, and I enjoyed her promos and
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01:48:15.840 --> 01:48:20.479
such and so forth. But yeah, I'm definitely interested to see,
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01:48:20.560 --> 01:48:22.000
you know, because I think they can have you know,
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01:48:22.319 --> 01:48:25.039
I'm assuming Ambermoon will come back at some point or
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01:48:25.119 --> 01:48:27.239
hopefully if she wants to wrestle right now, you know,
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01:48:27.319 --> 01:48:29.600
when she gets healthy. So I'm curious if they try
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01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:30.960
to do something with her at some point.
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01:48:31.439 --> 01:48:33.359
I think they have the one.
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01:48:33.439 --> 01:48:35.199
I could do some different things. They have some different
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01:48:35.439 --> 01:48:37.239
some newer acts are trying to push, which is good
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01:48:37.279 --> 01:48:40.920
too right now with what they're going through. So I'm curious.
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01:48:40.960 --> 01:48:42.479
And the only the last question I had for you
2312
01:48:42.760 --> 01:48:46.880
was do you I mean I think you know. It
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01:48:47.000 --> 01:48:48.880
was definitely, like you said, weird with Seth and I
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01:48:49.039 --> 01:48:51.920
going back and forth, but as far as overall, like
2315
01:48:52.640 --> 01:48:54.640
I've always been kind of worried about where this Messiah
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01:48:54.720 --> 01:48:57.119
character can go, like the shelf life that it has,
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01:48:57.239 --> 01:48:59.600
like how many because the promos were kind of getting
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01:48:59.680 --> 01:49:02.279
my not this, and then you know, today he's trying
2319
01:49:02.279 --> 01:49:04.199
to do something different, which was fine, but like where
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01:49:04.239 --> 01:49:06.600
do you think there's where how much longer they can
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01:49:06.720 --> 01:49:09.760
go with that particular gimmick, because I like it, but
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01:49:09.880 --> 01:49:11.760
you know, how far do you think it can it go?
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01:49:13.039 --> 01:49:13.159
Uh?
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01:49:13.319 --> 01:49:13.800
What do you think?
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01:49:13.840 --> 01:49:14.079
Zach?
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01:49:15.479 --> 01:49:17.119
Yeah, I mean it's a good question.
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01:49:17.760 --> 01:49:21.439
At this point, I kind of unfortunately, I see it
2328
01:49:21.600 --> 01:49:24.760
more as like a as the King gimmick than anything else.
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01:49:24.840 --> 01:49:26.840
You know, at this point in time. I thought when
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01:49:27.199 --> 01:49:29.920
when Seth first brought it out, and you know, he
2331
01:49:30.039 --> 01:49:32.920
was kind of a little bit hotter with it, I
2332
01:49:33.000 --> 01:49:34.720
thought he was in a good place, but he didn't,
2333
01:49:34.760 --> 01:49:36.960
you know, he wasn't the top heel on the show
2334
01:49:37.119 --> 01:49:38.880
like that was that was brock Lester, And I thought
2335
01:49:38.920 --> 01:49:40.920
that that really hurt him. You know, I think if
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01:49:40.960 --> 01:49:43.119
he had the belt at that time and was that
2337
01:49:43.359 --> 01:49:46.239
character and you had the baby faces chasing him, I
2338
01:49:46.279 --> 01:49:49.319
think the gimmick would have would have would have meant more,
2339
01:49:49.399 --> 01:49:52.680
and beating him would have would have meant more. Now
2340
01:49:53.159 --> 01:49:55.920
it's just a little bit all it's watered it's watered down.
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01:49:55.960 --> 01:49:59.000
It's more of just like a crust of different bullet
2342
01:49:59.039 --> 01:50:01.239
points he can hit in a in a promo rather
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01:50:01.359 --> 01:50:04.640
than you know, an actual character that he's playing a
2344
01:50:04.680 --> 01:50:07.199
gimmick that he's that he's playing kind of like kind
2345
01:50:07.199 --> 01:50:09.159
of like the King thing. Unfortunately, So I think there's
2346
01:50:09.199 --> 01:50:12.000
probably a little more depth there, just because I think Seth.
2347
01:50:11.840 --> 01:50:14.159
Pulls it off relatively well.
2348
01:50:14.239 --> 01:50:17.000
But I think it just kind of is what it is.
2349
01:50:17.079 --> 01:50:18.760
I don't know that there's going to be any more
2350
01:50:19.319 --> 01:50:22.039
deep notions to it at this point.
2351
01:50:22.960 --> 01:50:25.600
All right, cool, Sean. Any closing words from you.
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01:50:26.399 --> 01:50:29.600
I like the guys, appreciate all you do, like like that.
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01:50:29.880 --> 01:50:32.880
I love being VP. It's amazing. And thank you guys
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01:50:32.880 --> 01:50:33.880
to taking my call as always.
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01:50:34.680 --> 01:50:37.079
Awesome John, Good, hear from you as always. Also, Yep,
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01:50:37.600 --> 01:50:39.640
let's see. I guess we've got a couple more people
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01:50:39.640 --> 01:50:40.840
who have been on hoped so long. I want to
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01:50:40.880 --> 01:50:42.840
get to them. Let's do it. We'll make it semi quick.
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01:50:42.880 --> 01:50:45.640
We'll go to four four three, next four for three.
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Go and state your name and where you're calling from.
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01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:50.520
Hey, waits Kyle in doing good.
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01:50:50.439 --> 01:50:52.720
Kyle, Thanks for thanks for calling. What do you think
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01:50:52.720 --> 01:50:53.239
about tonight?
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01:50:55.600 --> 01:50:57.119
Yeah, I think that's the only thing I'll talk about.
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01:50:57.199 --> 01:50:59.960
That is the you know, you know, it's kind of
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01:51:00.039 --> 01:51:02.119
of you know, when she first came out, I was
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01:51:02.239 --> 01:51:03.520
kind of worried. I don't know what she was going
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01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:06.239
to say. I thought she was injured or something, or
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01:51:06.640 --> 01:51:10.159
I said then I was pregnant. That was very shocking
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01:51:10.239 --> 01:51:13.880
to me. It was why she was arrested for the
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01:51:14.000 --> 01:51:17.600
last couple of weeks or so. So for me, I think,
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01:51:18.439 --> 01:51:20.560
you know, she was for me, she was the highlight
2373
01:51:20.720 --> 01:51:24.359
of this at the arena shows for me personally to
2374
01:51:24.520 --> 01:51:27.239
see because she's a great talker.
2375
01:51:27.600 --> 01:51:29.479
And then now that she's going to be.
2376
01:51:32.399 --> 01:51:35.600
And may not come back so headed to wrestled Adia
2377
01:51:35.640 --> 01:51:39.199
next year probably are after that for me that for
2378
01:51:39.439 --> 01:51:43.600
have her and having asked when they hitted the championship,
2379
01:51:43.760 --> 01:51:45.840
I thought it was kind of a cool fay because
2380
01:51:46.680 --> 01:51:49.960
they have they had a really good feud, and I
2381
01:51:50.119 --> 01:51:52.880
just thought that it was just it's appropriate and if
2382
01:51:53.000 --> 01:51:54.560
and if she had would have won last night, it
2383
01:51:54.640 --> 01:51:57.359
would have been very awkward and weird to have it.
2384
01:51:57.560 --> 01:52:00.760
So I was kind of glad that looking at it now,
2385
01:52:02.000 --> 01:52:06.159
the bree Kays and Becky gives to stay the title
2386
01:52:06.239 --> 01:52:08.159
to her, I just like that, and I'm just gonna
2387
01:52:08.199 --> 01:52:10.680
really miss Becky a lot. And then the whole tame
2388
01:52:10.680 --> 01:52:13.520
with Steph Rollins, that was just that was really good.
2389
01:52:13.600 --> 01:52:16.079
I really enjoyed what step Rolands did overall. I thought
2390
01:52:16.119 --> 01:52:18.800
that was just really cool. But but yeah, but that
2391
01:52:18.920 --> 01:52:21.039
was pretty much it. But I'm just gonna miss back
2392
01:52:21.119 --> 01:52:24.399
in Rossipy. Very hard for me to watch even more
2393
01:52:24.479 --> 01:52:25.359
now because she's gone.
2394
01:52:25.479 --> 01:52:26.640
But yeah, that was it.
2395
01:52:27.279 --> 01:52:29.520
Yeah, Cole brings up. Thanks, Kyle con brings up a
2396
01:52:29.520 --> 01:52:31.079
good point, which is there's a lot of Becky fans
2397
01:52:31.119 --> 01:52:33.119
out there, And I mean she's gonna be gone for
2398
01:52:33.319 --> 01:52:37.880
you know, at least a year, probably more realistically, fifteen
2399
01:52:37.920 --> 01:52:40.359
to eighteen months before she would even consider she's got
2400
01:52:40.439 --> 01:52:42.560
to get back in a ring shape. She's hinted maybe
2401
01:52:42.600 --> 01:52:45.319
she's not coming back. I think she'll be back for
2402
01:52:45.479 --> 01:52:49.159
at least a handful of big paydays. But and maybe
2403
01:52:49.199 --> 01:52:50.760
howse shows never come back, you know. I mean, things
2404
01:52:50.800 --> 01:52:51.960
are going to be different in this world in a
2405
01:52:52.000 --> 01:52:55.760
lot of different ways after COVID nineteen whenever, you know,
2406
01:52:55.880 --> 01:52:58.600
think whatever the new, wherever the pendulum swings, it's not
2407
01:52:58.640 --> 01:52:59.960
swinging all the way back to what the old norm
2408
01:53:00.279 --> 01:53:02.039
was in a lot of ways. And I don't know
2409
01:53:02.119 --> 01:53:03.840
that wrestlers are ever going to be asked to work
2410
01:53:03.920 --> 01:53:06.399
that house show schedule again. It just wasn't a big
2411
01:53:06.439 --> 01:53:09.279
money maker for w and so we'll see. But so
2412
01:53:09.760 --> 01:53:12.000
I say all that because it makes it more palatable
2413
01:53:12.000 --> 01:53:15.560
for Becky to come back and you know, be utilized
2414
01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:17.279
on television even if you're not going to be a
2415
01:53:17.319 --> 01:53:19.439
house show wrestler, because one of the things that hurt
2416
01:53:19.479 --> 01:53:22.600
house shows is there's people who didn't work house shows
2417
01:53:22.640 --> 01:53:25.159
who were featured prominently on television, like brock LESNRA for instance.
2418
01:53:26.279 --> 01:53:28.159
That's less of an issue if Becky becomes kind of
2419
01:53:28.199 --> 01:53:31.600
that type of person. But you know, wrestling seasonally or whatever.
2420
01:53:31.600 --> 01:53:33.800
I mean, she she started back in like two thousand
2421
01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:36.079
and five and trained for a couple of years before that.
2422
01:53:36.720 --> 01:53:40.479
She's had a full career, she's gotten everything accomplished. And
2423
01:53:41.840 --> 01:53:45.000
this is not ooh, I'm just entering. I mean, in
2424
01:53:45.039 --> 01:53:47.119
a way, she's just entering her peak. But as she's
2425
01:53:47.159 --> 01:53:49.159
thirty three years old, and wrestlers tend to be best
2426
01:53:49.199 --> 01:53:51.359
at their art form probably in the thirty three to
2427
01:53:51.479 --> 01:53:54.720
thirty eight year old range. And that's not to say
2428
01:53:54.720 --> 01:53:56.279
they don't have really good years after and really good
2429
01:53:56.319 --> 01:53:58.720
years before, but in pro wrestling, at thirty three to
2430
01:53:58.760 --> 01:54:00.640
thirty eight, it's kind of typically the peak when you
2431
01:54:00.720 --> 01:54:03.279
kind of figure yourself out, you figure out the art form.
2432
01:54:03.319 --> 01:54:06.960
You're still athletically able to do, you know, eighty five
2433
01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:08.319
to ninety five percent of what you could do when
2434
01:54:08.319 --> 01:54:10.960
you were twenty three and stupid. And not no offense
2435
01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:12.640
to the twenty three year olds out there, but like
2436
01:54:12.920 --> 01:54:15.239
the wrestles, when they're twenty through twenty four, physically take
2437
01:54:15.359 --> 01:54:19.880
chances they usually regret later. And so there's you know,
2438
01:54:20.319 --> 01:54:24.560
she's done everything. I mean, so who knows, you know,
2439
01:54:24.920 --> 01:54:27.840
I mean, who knows how what? But Tristratus came back,
2440
01:54:28.199 --> 01:54:31.600
you know, Edge came back. I mean, people come back,
2441
01:54:31.680 --> 01:54:34.520
even when they leave for injury or pregnancy, Mickey James.
2442
01:54:35.600 --> 01:54:36.800
So we'll see, we'll see.
2443
01:54:37.600 --> 01:54:40.640
Yeah, I mean it's uh, You've got to wonder, you know.
2444
01:54:40.680 --> 01:54:43.520
I mean, you know, if a family changes a lot
2445
01:54:43.600 --> 01:54:46.279
of things, just that in of itself, and you know,
2446
01:54:46.439 --> 01:54:47.600
priorities shift there too.
2447
01:54:48.239 --> 01:54:50.039
But I think we'll see Becky back.
2448
01:54:50.159 --> 01:54:52.199
It's not that, but you got to wonder if you
2449
01:54:52.479 --> 01:54:54.920
if we'll ever see her again in the same capacity
2450
01:54:55.039 --> 01:54:57.000
as we have, which is, you know, a week to
2451
01:54:57.079 --> 01:55:00.800
week fixture and anchor of run a night raw, you know,
2452
01:55:00.880 --> 01:55:04.159
I mean that just a she might not want that
2453
01:55:04.319 --> 01:55:06.840
type of that type of role, and b you know,
2454
01:55:06.960 --> 01:55:08.560
by the time she comes back, it could be It's
2455
01:55:08.840 --> 01:55:10.319
like you said, wait, it's a different world and there
2456
01:55:10.399 --> 01:55:12.239
could be somebody else who's.
2457
01:55:12.199 --> 01:55:15.279
Stepped into that spot. So you know, it's a it's
2458
01:55:15.319 --> 01:55:15.720
a it's a.
2459
01:55:16.159 --> 01:55:18.319
Crazy thing to kind of read into announcement and go, wow,
2460
01:55:18.319 --> 01:55:20.520
everything can be can be different from her for for
2461
01:55:20.720 --> 01:55:21.560
her moving forward.
2462
01:55:21.600 --> 01:55:24.079
But that's the you know, that's the reality of it.
2463
01:55:25.239 --> 01:55:29.760
Absolutely give yourself a reason to look forward to going
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01:55:29.800 --> 01:55:32.359
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2480
01:56:32.279 --> 01:56:34.039
five go at stage name and where you're calling from?
2481
01:56:34.399 --> 01:56:35.880
Hey, Zachy Wade to have here from mind?
2482
01:56:35.920 --> 01:56:38.000
You have it gone good? What did we leave you with?
2483
01:56:38.279 --> 01:56:39.199
What do we leave you with?
2484
01:56:39.359 --> 01:56:39.800
I have here?
2485
01:56:40.359 --> 01:56:43.319
Oh, well, a lot which is you know, I know
2486
01:56:43.399 --> 01:56:44.760
you probably trust for time, so.
2487
01:56:44.920 --> 01:56:47.920
Obviously yeah, yeah, pick and here I'll say this too
2488
01:56:47.920 --> 01:56:50.760
because we're going super long and and uh and that's
2489
01:56:50.800 --> 01:56:52.880
great with callers. So I'm gonna actually tackle the mail
2490
01:56:52.920 --> 01:56:55.920
bake on tomorrow's show because we got a lot of email.
2491
01:56:56.000 --> 01:56:57.920
And I can if it was just one or two emails,
2492
01:56:57.960 --> 01:56:59.399
I just zip through them, but I haven't you have
2493
01:56:59.439 --> 01:57:02.079
a chance to to screen all of them. So, like
2494
01:57:02.159 --> 01:57:03.439
the callers, we had a lot of email, So I'll
2495
01:57:03.479 --> 01:57:04.600
save that for a mile. So this will be the
2496
01:57:04.720 --> 01:57:07.960
wrapping up the show. That said Javier, you don't have
2497
01:57:08.039 --> 01:57:09.960
to cover everything because you actually have time to send
2498
01:57:09.960 --> 01:57:11.840
an email in for some other points that you might want,
2499
01:57:11.920 --> 01:57:13.840
so maybe pick the best one or two because we've
2500
01:57:13.880 --> 01:57:16.000
run so long and uh, and then drop the rest
2501
01:57:16.039 --> 01:57:17.840
in an email it and I can actually think a
2502
01:57:17.880 --> 01:57:18.640
little more about it too.
2503
01:57:19.600 --> 01:57:24.159
Yeah, the okay, so quickly here first, when I woke
2504
01:57:24.199 --> 01:57:25.880
up this morning, I was not expecting to see an
2505
01:57:25.960 --> 01:57:28.279
ocular emusceration. Were either of you two?
2506
01:57:29.880 --> 01:57:29.920
No?
2507
01:57:31.279 --> 01:57:33.680
Yeah, I pretty much wake up every morning expecting that.
2508
01:57:37.039 --> 01:57:39.760
I mean, I I'm kind of shocked. I'm I'm positi
2509
01:57:39.760 --> 01:57:41.840
here because I'm like, doesn't everybody wake up expecting that?
2510
01:57:41.880 --> 01:57:46.359
Every time I thoughted wrestling, I mean, Chris Adams was Chris.
2511
01:57:46.840 --> 01:57:49.199
I grew up with wrestlers being blinded left and right.
2512
01:57:49.359 --> 01:57:49.920
That was like a.
2513
01:57:51.840 --> 01:57:53.600
Kind of a little more, a little more routine.
2514
01:57:54.039 --> 01:57:54.439
I forgot.
2515
01:57:54.600 --> 01:57:58.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was devastated when Chris Adams went blind.
2516
01:58:00.199 --> 01:58:00.560
Thank for you?
2517
01:58:01.640 --> 01:58:01.840
Yeah?
2518
01:58:02.199 --> 01:58:04.640
Yeah, anyway, yes, go ahead?
2519
01:58:05.479 --> 01:58:08.479
Yeah, did it work? Did the did it work for you?
2520
01:58:08.600 --> 01:58:11.000
The that aspect of the angle.
2521
01:58:11.880 --> 01:58:13.640
I thought there was a lot done on this show.
2522
01:58:14.960 --> 01:58:17.800
I think they wanted to make sure everyone knew Seth
2523
01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:20.840
was a heel, even though he's a new daddy, So
2524
01:58:21.079 --> 01:58:22.640
there was there was a point to that. And I'm
2525
01:58:22.680 --> 01:58:26.920
not against a h. I'm not against a Ray Seth
2526
01:58:27.039 --> 01:58:29.159
full fledged feud, so I mean there's some value in it.
2527
01:58:29.199 --> 01:58:29.399
Yeah.
2528
01:58:29.399 --> 01:58:31.520
I thought it was fine. I thought it worked. What
2529
01:58:31.600 --> 01:58:33.720
do you think that me too?
2530
01:58:33.800 --> 01:58:34.560
Yeah, I thought it worked.
2531
01:58:34.600 --> 01:58:37.960
I thought I thought okay, so I thought the angle worked.
2532
01:58:38.239 --> 01:58:40.640
What I didn't think worked was they had you know,
2533
01:58:40.840 --> 01:58:42.720
that angle and then they went like right into the
2534
01:58:43.000 --> 01:58:44.880
to the jokey basketball saying.
2535
01:58:44.920 --> 01:58:47.279
I don't want to beliebor that point, but I think
2536
01:58:47.279 --> 01:58:48.800
they got to balance the show out a little bit.
2537
01:58:48.800 --> 01:58:51.079
You know, they gotta be cognizant of what they put
2538
01:58:51.119 --> 01:58:52.720
wear because that that was jarring to me.
2539
01:58:53.479 --> 01:58:54.199
Yeah, good point.
2540
01:58:54.600 --> 01:58:54.800
Yeah.
2541
01:58:54.840 --> 01:58:56.359
I mean that's one of the things tone wise about
2542
01:58:56.399 --> 01:58:59.000
the shows is if you're gonna do Little More's any stuff,
2543
01:59:00.880 --> 01:59:02.800
it's it's hard in that same show to then get
2544
01:59:02.840 --> 01:59:05.680
people really on board with being you know, outrage. But
2545
01:59:06.119 --> 01:59:07.760
I mean, I think you can pull it off, but
2546
01:59:07.960 --> 01:59:12.359
you gotta be it takes it's it takes some skill
2547
01:59:12.560 --> 01:59:14.880
to have both co exist within the same structure.
2548
01:59:15.359 --> 01:59:15.560
Yeah.
2549
01:59:16.199 --> 01:59:16.399
Yeah.
2550
01:59:16.880 --> 01:59:17.079
Yeah.
2551
01:59:17.439 --> 01:59:21.359
The The other the other thing the we did not
2552
01:59:21.520 --> 01:59:25.239
talk about gender mahal yes is promo where he has
2553
01:59:25.840 --> 01:59:29.560
owned his uh his pass min's deeds and now wants
2554
01:59:29.640 --> 01:59:33.199
to uh go on the path of the hero, so
2555
01:59:35.079 --> 01:59:36.000
that should be fun.
2556
01:59:37.119 --> 01:59:37.239
Uh.
2557
01:59:37.560 --> 01:59:40.640
Yeah, I'm not I'm not buying that his idea and
2558
01:59:40.840 --> 01:59:44.479
my idea of redemption and being a hero and being
2559
01:59:45.159 --> 01:59:47.880
I doubt they're the same thing. But we will see
2560
01:59:48.920 --> 01:59:50.880
his journey back to the top will be a hero's journey.
2561
01:59:50.880 --> 01:59:51.880
I will believe it when I see it.
2562
01:59:53.920 --> 01:59:56.079
Yeah, I'm not holding my breath, that's for sure.
2563
01:59:56.479 --> 01:59:56.600
Uh.
2564
01:59:56.880 --> 01:59:59.319
And I'm not sure that fun is would be how
2565
01:59:59.359 --> 02:00:01.239
I described is either Pavier.
2566
02:00:03.760 --> 02:00:05.680
Well, I think if they, if they do do that
2567
02:00:05.840 --> 02:00:09.880
where he's he goes around pretending that he's doing good stuff,
2568
02:00:09.920 --> 02:00:13.079
but in reality it's like not really because he didn't
2569
02:00:13.119 --> 02:00:16.520
have a good moral compass. I think it might be
2570
02:00:16.960 --> 02:00:21.680
it might be lead to some interesting things, and the
2571
02:00:22.000 --> 02:00:28.600
other rest might be building him up for uh for
2572
02:00:28.960 --> 02:00:31.760
for drew down down the road with him winning a
2573
02:00:31.760 --> 02:00:32.439
bunch of banches with.
2574
02:00:32.399 --> 02:00:32.960
A bunch of people.
2575
02:00:34.039 --> 02:00:38.600
Well, I honestly, I mean, I'm not excited about Jenner
2576
02:00:38.680 --> 02:00:41.920
mahall period, but I am open to seeing if he
2577
02:00:42.039 --> 02:00:46.439
can improve upon his last stint and that he isn't
2578
02:00:46.840 --> 02:00:51.560
self satisfied with how damn entertaining he was and how
2579
02:00:51.640 --> 02:00:53.520
effective he was in that spot. I mean, they put
2580
02:00:53.520 --> 02:00:55.399
a lot into him and it did not go well.
2581
02:00:55.960 --> 02:01:00.119
And there's a reason, you know, well anyway, So I
2582
02:01:00.119 --> 02:01:01.880
don't want to be too on him, but like if
2583
02:01:01.920 --> 02:01:05.359
he if he can adjust, I'm gonna be open to
2584
02:01:05.399 --> 02:01:07.960
seeing it happen. But if it's the same gender, cutting
2585
02:01:08.000 --> 02:01:10.840
the same style promos, I just want to, you know,
2586
02:01:11.399 --> 02:01:13.760
drop him in a third rate territory in nineteen seventy
2587
02:01:13.800 --> 02:01:15.680
eight and that's where he belongs. But the world has
2588
02:01:15.760 --> 02:01:18.399
changed since then, the resting business has changed, and I
2589
02:01:18.479 --> 02:01:22.680
think he needs to adjust and the vascular, muscular body
2590
02:01:22.880 --> 02:01:27.640
and the action figure like flexibility of what he did
2591
02:01:27.680 --> 02:01:31.159
in the ring and the wrote stuff on the microphone.
2592
02:01:31.159 --> 02:01:32.920
That would be that heel who comes into a territory
2593
02:01:32.920 --> 02:01:34.399
and spends a couple of months there and burns out
2594
02:01:34.439 --> 02:01:37.279
and then goes somewhere else. He's got to be something
2595
02:01:37.319 --> 02:01:37.760
better than that.
2596
02:01:39.560 --> 02:01:40.760
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
2597
02:01:42.079 --> 02:01:43.920
You reminded me to talk about something though, in terms
2598
02:01:43.960 --> 02:01:46.199
of lining up a bunch of opponents and having to
2599
02:01:46.319 --> 02:01:49.720
beat him, I thought Bobby Lashley was positioned pretty well tonight.
2600
02:01:49.840 --> 02:01:50.000
Yeah.
2601
02:01:50.119 --> 02:01:53.800
Yeah, in terms of I think they clearly have something
2602
02:01:53.840 --> 02:01:54.479
in mind for him.
2603
02:01:55.600 --> 02:01:58.439
No, I agree, and I like the MVP pairing. I mean,
2604
02:01:58.479 --> 02:02:02.079
if you've got to make people take Lashly more seriously
2605
02:02:02.159 --> 02:02:04.199
than they have been, and he was sort of in
2606
02:02:04.279 --> 02:02:07.319
this comedic thing with Wana and Russev. It was played
2607
02:02:07.680 --> 02:02:12.199
as sort of a sideshow act. And Drew needs badass,
2608
02:02:12.520 --> 02:02:18.279
threatening heels and and gender an adjusted, improved gender and
2609
02:02:18.439 --> 02:02:22.039
now a badass, more serious kind of TNA impact wrestling
2610
02:02:22.119 --> 02:02:24.560
version of Lashley. M a version of Lashley. It can work.
2611
02:02:24.600 --> 02:02:26.199
And I think m v P is sort of that
2612
02:02:26.319 --> 02:02:29.279
disruptor that maybe will give people a reason to believe
2613
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they should look at him differently.
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Yeah, I agree totally.
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Yeah.
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Have you any any final word or thoughts anything?
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Yeah, that's actually was I could sort of said last
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year there at the end. Yeah, I actually want to
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02:02:43.840 --> 02:02:47.159
bring up the Lastly thing, uh, because it does feel
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02:02:47.239 --> 02:02:50.760
like they're building up, building them up for for Drew
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02:02:50.960 --> 02:02:54.159
and uh, I think, you know, think about that kind
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02:02:54.199 --> 02:02:57.279
of match if they if they give Lashly a a
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02:02:58.119 --> 02:03:02.800
more sports oriented you know, with a coach like like
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02:03:02.880 --> 02:03:06.399
an m v P, like an agent like MVP, and
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they take it make it more serious.
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Uh.
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I that I would be intrigued for Lastly Drew program
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like which is something I wasn't really expecting when I
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woke up this morning.
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Yes, exactly, Yes, all right, cool Javier, thanks so much,
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appreciate it, Thanks for your patience on hold, have a
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02:03:31.000 --> 02:03:34.760
good night, guess Yes. Check out Hoavier's a preview to
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Money in the Bank and see how things turned out
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compared to his forecasts and analysis, and also check out
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his Impact Hits and Missus column. He is making great
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contributions to p W torch dot com in addition to
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02:03:47.319 --> 02:03:51.000
calling into the show with his great observations. Zach, I
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02:03:51.199 --> 02:03:53.800
will we can end there. We're a couple hours plus
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in and uh didn't get to email, but I feel
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02:03:57.600 --> 02:03:59.920
proud of the pace at which we got through call
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without just cutting everybody short. So it was a fun conversation.
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02:04:03.159 --> 02:04:05.319
I don't even know if we covered everything like Little Ricky.
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02:04:05.800 --> 02:04:08.439
We didn't even get into the turn of Little Ricky,
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02:04:08.479 --> 02:04:12.359
and that's just that was just weird and really unnecessary.
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02:04:12.439 --> 02:04:15.520
And I would vote thumbs down on that act myself
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for a variety of reasons.
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Same here, same here, But at least we can check
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it off.
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We did cover it now, So yeah, yeah, cool Zach,
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Thanks as always, and well, how can people follow you
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on Twitter.
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02:04:29.079 --> 02:04:31.239
Yeah, wait, thanks for having me, great conversation. I always
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02:04:31.319 --> 02:04:32.880
enjoyed being on the show. And yeah, follow me on
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Twitter guys at z Haydorn Torch z A t y.
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D o r N Torch Awesome and follow me on
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Twitter at the Wade Teller and follow our brand at
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Blue brand. We'll hit some email and then we'll go
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by Wednesday night with the host Dynamite Show and see
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02:04:51.720 --> 02:04:54.159
what aw has to offer going into their pay per view.
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A couple of weeks on All Right, Jake, I was
2662
02:05:11.319 --> 02:05:14.000
pretty convinced Otis was gonna win money in the bank
2663
02:05:14.079 --> 02:05:16.760
on Sunday, and then at the end of the show
2664
02:05:16.840 --> 02:05:19.800
they revealed he's just too big to climb a ladder.
2665
02:05:19.840 --> 02:05:23.640
The ladder can't support his weight. I'm starting to second
2666
02:05:23.680 --> 02:05:25.159
guess my decision. Do you think there's a lot of
2667
02:05:25.199 --> 02:05:27.640
Otis fans around the country hoping they reinforce that ladder
2668
02:05:27.680 --> 02:05:28.119
on Sunday?
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02:05:29.720 --> 02:05:31.800
Oh, that had to be the setup for like the
2670
02:05:32.000 --> 02:05:35.159
giant ladder gimmick, right that they did a big show
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02:05:35.279 --> 02:05:35.680
years ago.
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02:05:36.039 --> 02:05:38.760
Yes, yes, totally. I mean, you know he's gonna step
2673
02:05:38.800 --> 02:05:40.600
on a ladder because no one's gonna think to reinforce
2674
02:05:40.680 --> 02:05:44.079
it between now and Sunday, and something will break. But
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02:05:44.159 --> 02:05:46.600
then he'll have a really bright idea or maybe Mandy,
2676
02:05:47.039 --> 02:05:48.760
you know, will give him a boost, you know, with
2677
02:05:48.840 --> 02:05:51.399
her hands clasped together or something. There's got to be
2678
02:05:51.439 --> 02:05:53.920
with the men and women working together, whether otis wins
2679
02:05:54.039 --> 02:05:57.560
or not, some teamwork with some alliances, and Mandy's got
2680
02:05:57.640 --> 02:06:00.479
to run well. I don't know. I guess maybe she
2681
02:06:00.479 --> 02:06:02.720
won't be on the rough, but we can only hope.
2682
02:06:03.920 --> 02:06:07.800
It's gotta be something that was that was preposterous. The
2683
02:06:07.920 --> 02:06:10.720
last five minutes of the show were utterly meaningless, Like
2684
02:06:11.159 --> 02:06:14.199
they built this big celebration for Corbin at the end
2685
02:06:14.239 --> 02:06:16.880
of the show, and it's like he didn't win anything,
2686
02:06:17.039 --> 02:06:19.199
Like he just he won his match and then he
2687
02:06:19.239 --> 02:06:22.079
decided he had to do something else, and nobody really
2688
02:06:22.159 --> 02:06:24.840
understood why. He never told us why. So, Jake, what
2689
02:06:24.960 --> 02:06:25.960
a weird ending to the show.
2690
02:06:26.159 --> 02:06:32.239
Jake, you are greatly underestimating the momentum generated by symbolic
2691
02:06:32.399 --> 02:06:34.239
moments forty eight hours before big fights.
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02:06:35.640 --> 02:06:38.920
I must be in the history of sports, I've never
2693
02:06:39.000 --> 02:06:41.239
heard of such a thing. But maybe maybe people do
2694
02:06:41.920 --> 02:06:44.479
in MMA and boxing. Just beat the crap out of
2695
02:06:44.560 --> 02:06:47.199
random people two days before the fight just to get
2696
02:06:47.279 --> 02:06:49.239
into the mood for it. It's not bad luck to
2697
02:06:49.279 --> 02:06:52.000
pose with the Stanley Cup championship two days before game seven,
2698
02:06:52.520 --> 02:06:54.760
or maybe he kiss a super Bowl trophy or someone
2699
02:06:54.760 --> 02:06:58.439
else's NBA ring before the deciding game. If you're an athlete,
2700
02:06:58.479 --> 02:07:00.399
I mean, that doesn't jinx you at all. Yeah, Or
2701
02:07:00.880 --> 02:07:03.760
just to pose with a cheap reproduction of the actual
2702
02:07:03.880 --> 02:07:04.760
thing that you want to win.
2703
02:07:05.199 --> 02:07:05.520
I don't know.
2704
02:07:06.279 --> 02:07:08.760
It just it felt like they wasted my time, and
2705
02:07:08.920 --> 02:07:11.159
that's the worst feeling to get what you're watching a
2706
02:07:11.199 --> 02:07:11.960
television show.
2707
02:07:12.119 --> 02:07:17.039
I honestly think WWE is being booked by a computer.
2708
02:07:17.600 --> 02:07:19.880
Like I just think they have like they just like
2709
02:07:20.079 --> 02:07:23.720
drag and drop names like coding, like into slots and
2710
02:07:23.840 --> 02:07:25.520
then it pumps out a script. It's like money in
2711
02:07:25.520 --> 02:07:27.479
the bank. Okay, we're gonna have a six man tag
2712
02:07:27.560 --> 02:07:29.960
match with wrestlers who were involved in the match, and
2713
02:07:30.439 --> 02:07:32.640
then we're gonna have them the ones who were involved
2714
02:07:32.640 --> 02:07:34.159
in the match at the after the match is over,
2715
02:07:34.439 --> 02:07:37.760
try to climb the ladder for the symbolic momentum of
2716
02:07:37.840 --> 02:07:40.199
succeeding and climbing the ladder and posing with the belt
2717
02:07:40.760 --> 02:07:44.159
with the briefcase to intimidate your opponents, and and and
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02:07:44.279 --> 02:07:46.199
it gives the announcer, of course, who will be you know,
2719
02:07:46.279 --> 02:07:49.279
this will be spit out like uh, you know in
2720
02:07:49.359 --> 02:07:51.520
the script for the announcer to say, you know this
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02:07:51.640 --> 02:07:53.880
will be legal on Sunday. This gives you an idea
2722
02:07:53.920 --> 02:07:56.640
of what to what otis we be able to do
2723
02:07:56.720 --> 02:07:59.079
with a ladder on Sunday. Can you imagine what it
2724
02:07:59.119 --> 02:08:01.800
would be like on Sunday? All those little moments that,
2725
02:08:02.239 --> 02:08:05.960
as Corey Graves put it, is a half hearted preview.
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02:08:06.000 --> 02:08:07.880
I think that was his phrase, a half hearted preview
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02:08:07.880 --> 02:08:09.359
of what's coming up on Sunday. And then he kind
2728
02:08:09.359 --> 02:08:11.399
of corrected himself with maybe a phrase it sounded a
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02:08:11.439 --> 02:08:12.800
little little more exciting than that.
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02:08:13.920 --> 02:08:16.800
Yeah, I mean if they if they're doing this programmatically,
2731
02:08:16.960 --> 02:08:19.840
and then then it's like an access spreadsheet that they
2732
02:08:19.960 --> 02:08:22.239
programmed in that two thousand and four because it's oh,
2733
02:08:22.520 --> 02:08:23.239
it's running out.
2734
02:08:23.119 --> 02:08:25.479
Of steam at this point, I know. I mean, it
2735
02:08:25.560 --> 02:08:27.600
is part of the part of the problem for SmackDown,
2736
02:08:27.600 --> 02:08:30.399
of course is no crowd, but and it's most of
2737
02:08:30.439 --> 02:08:32.840
the problem. But it's not just the lack of fans.
2738
02:08:32.920 --> 02:08:36.560
It's that the lack of fans strips away what was
2739
02:08:36.680 --> 02:08:40.119
a crutch, or it helped create a mirage that made
2740
02:08:40.199 --> 02:08:44.119
up for that made up for a lot of WWB stale, formulaic,
2741
02:08:44.199 --> 02:08:47.520
predictable booking over the years. And when you don't have
2742
02:08:47.560 --> 02:08:49.199
a crowd there, it's not just the absence of the
2743
02:08:49.279 --> 02:08:52.000
crowd in and of itself. It's the absence of the
2744
02:08:52.039 --> 02:08:55.399
crowd to cover up for WWE being so unimaginative in
2745
02:08:55.439 --> 02:08:59.560
formula all these years. So yeah, it's you know, I
2746
02:08:59.640 --> 02:09:01.079
mean it it is what it is. I mean, there's
2747
02:09:01.199 --> 02:09:03.199
fans out there watching and they're like, well, you know,
2748
02:09:04.000 --> 02:09:05.520
it's set the table for money in the bank, and
2749
02:09:05.920 --> 02:09:08.560
maybe they haven't watched long enough to just see and
2750
02:09:08.800 --> 02:09:10.159
kind of know what the announcers are going to say
2751
02:09:10.159 --> 02:09:11.720
before they say it, and then look at the clock
2752
02:09:11.760 --> 02:09:13.279
and go, oh, there's form minutes left in the show
2753
02:09:13.600 --> 02:09:15.319
and the match ended. This is when we have a
2754
02:09:15.760 --> 02:09:18.199
symbolic preview of money in the bank. But it definitely
2755
02:09:18.239 --> 02:09:20.720
followed the formula. And there are formulas in wrestling. I
2756
02:09:20.760 --> 02:09:22.840
want to say that. I mean, you can't avoid formulas.
2757
02:09:22.840 --> 02:09:25.920
I mean, everybody who watches wrestling long enough sees formulas,
2758
02:09:26.279 --> 02:09:28.600
but you've got to try a little harder. I guess
2759
02:09:28.680 --> 02:09:30.359
it's the point I'm making, and I think you're with
2760
02:09:30.520 --> 02:09:33.439
me on having it make sense and not feel so
2761
02:09:33.840 --> 02:09:35.800
just like a format sheet you filled in with new names,
2762
02:09:35.840 --> 02:09:37.800
but it's the same sheet from you know, two years ago,
2763
02:09:37.800 --> 02:09:39.079
and six years ago and twelve years ago.
2764
02:09:40.000 --> 02:09:42.560
Yeah, there's maybe just too much of a comfort level
2765
02:09:42.640 --> 02:09:47.319
when watching Ron SmackDown where it's almost like you could
2766
02:09:47.359 --> 02:09:50.079
set your watch to some of these things, like every year,
2767
02:09:50.279 --> 02:09:52.119
money in the bank's going to come around, and so
2768
02:09:52.640 --> 02:09:54.560
at some point, you know you're going to see people
2769
02:09:54.800 --> 02:09:58.840
start using ladders for inexplicable reasons in trying to climb
2770
02:09:58.920 --> 02:10:01.279
to the top of them, even though there's nothing at
2771
02:10:01.359 --> 02:10:04.840
stake at that given moment. Like it's just not human
2772
02:10:05.359 --> 02:10:10.439
motivations or thought patterns. It's just very much pro wrestling cliches,
2773
02:10:10.600 --> 02:10:13.720
and you can you can see them coming from you know,
2774
02:10:13.800 --> 02:10:16.199
one thousand miles away, and it's just like, Okay, I
2775
02:10:16.279 --> 02:10:18.720
can tune out of this because there's just nothing exciting
2776
02:10:18.800 --> 02:10:19.520
happening right now.
2777
02:10:19.800 --> 02:10:22.920
Yeah, yep, all right, Well let's let the table introduce
2778
02:10:22.960 --> 02:10:25.439
ourselves and then get to phone calls. This is the
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02:10:26.119 --> 02:10:29.479
Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Post Show for Friday, May eighth,
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02:10:29.920 --> 02:10:32.880
twenty twenty, and I'm Way Keller, host of the program.
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02:10:33.199 --> 02:10:36.319
I am joined by Jake Barnett from Pro Wrestling dot
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02:10:36.399 --> 02:10:39.399
Net occupying a co host chair this week. Jake, welcome back,
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02:10:40.720 --> 02:10:43.399
always pleasure Wade. Thanks for having me absolutely, Jake, go
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02:10:43.439 --> 02:10:46.159
ahead and tell people now earlier in the show here
2785
02:10:46.600 --> 02:10:49.159
how they can hear more from you and a little
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02:10:49.159 --> 02:10:51.640
bit about progressing dot net. Yeah, so you can.
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Well, you can find me on social media at barnet
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02:11:00.159 --> 02:11:04.159
and aw Dynamite coverage. I've been kind of switching back
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02:11:04.199 --> 02:11:07.079
and forth with that with Jason on a every couple
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02:11:07.159 --> 02:11:09.680
of weeks and at Pro Wrestling dot Then I also
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host the dot neweekly audio show with Jason and also
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Sounds cool, all right, Well, let's give out the phone
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02:11:23.319 --> 02:11:25.199
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That's three four seven two one five eight, five five eight.
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You can also email us at Wade Keller podcast at
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peak w toorch dot com. That's Waykellor Podcast at pewtorch
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Let's go in and all lot the callers lead the
2818
02:12:42.920 --> 02:12:46.520
way from here for a while and we're going to begin. Oh,
2819
02:12:46.520 --> 02:12:47.560
by the way, if you want to be on the show?
2820
02:12:47.600 --> 02:12:49.359
Did I just sayle's push one on your keypat If
2821
02:12:49.399 --> 02:12:51.760
you call that will flay you on the switchboard. Otherwise
2822
02:12:51.760 --> 02:12:53.479
you'll just sort of be standing by in the background.
2823
02:12:53.720 --> 02:12:55.359
We won't bring you on. But if you call that
2824
02:12:55.479 --> 02:12:57.840
number and decide you want to be on, or if
2825
02:12:57.840 --> 02:12:59.199
you've already called and want to be on, be sure
2826
02:12:59.199 --> 02:13:02.319
you push one. All right, four four zero things? So calling,
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02:13:02.359 --> 02:13:04.000
gohead and state your name and where you're calling from.
2828
02:13:04.399 --> 02:13:07.479
Good evening, gentlemen. My name is Steve. I'm calling from Cleveland, Ohio.
2829
02:13:07.920 --> 02:13:09.600
Hey Steve, good to hear from you. What'd you think
2830
02:13:09.640 --> 02:13:10.319
it's back now tonight?
2831
02:13:11.640 --> 02:13:14.239
Well, I got to tell you I'm on the road
2832
02:13:14.319 --> 02:13:16.520
here and for business, and I got a chance for
2833
02:13:16.640 --> 02:13:19.399
once to watch the whole thing and to end, and
2834
02:13:20.279 --> 02:13:21.960
I did enjoy it very much.
2835
02:13:22.800 --> 02:13:23.800
First of all, it.
2836
02:13:23.960 --> 02:13:26.640
Kind of thinks that you don't have a live crowd
2837
02:13:26.800 --> 02:13:31.520
to hear Baron Corburn get his go away heat. It's
2838
02:13:31.600 --> 02:13:35.439
also kind of tough that nobody told otis that they
2839
02:13:35.520 --> 02:13:37.920
do make ladders or the ww that they do make
2840
02:13:38.000 --> 02:13:40.479
ladders at handle More and Tank. You ondred seventy five miles.
2841
02:13:40.640 --> 02:13:41.880
You just got to get a good one from Home
2842
02:13:41.960 --> 02:13:47.399
Depot and number three. I've noticed between Raw and SmackDown
2843
02:13:47.640 --> 02:13:51.399
that the women seem to be able to handle or
2844
02:13:51.439 --> 02:13:56.279
should I say, adapt to this live without or whatever
2845
02:13:56.279 --> 02:13:59.560
it is, without a crowd, talking a lot of junking
2846
02:13:59.680 --> 02:14:03.399
between moves, not just screaming as they as they do
2847
02:14:03.560 --> 02:14:07.520
a take a bump, but just really talking the match
2848
02:14:07.760 --> 02:14:11.039
through with a lot of smack talk. Both the matches
2849
02:14:11.119 --> 02:14:14.720
tonight did it very well, and I think the women
2850
02:14:14.760 --> 02:14:16.960
again are adapting to it better than the men are
2851
02:14:17.039 --> 02:14:17.720
without the crowd.
2852
02:14:18.279 --> 02:14:19.159
Jake, what do you think about that?
2853
02:14:19.960 --> 02:14:23.479
Yeah, I think it's been really a part of Mandy's
2854
02:14:23.600 --> 02:14:27.279
new character, excuse me, of Sonya's new character that she's
2855
02:14:27.880 --> 02:14:30.920
just very vocal, you know, even when she doesn't have
2856
02:14:30.960 --> 02:14:34.239
a microphone in her hands, she's just constantly talking trash
2857
02:14:34.359 --> 02:14:37.239
and that's spilled over into the ring. But I actually
2858
02:14:37.279 --> 02:14:41.039
would would agree with that premise. I think a standout
2859
02:14:41.119 --> 02:14:44.359
performer on the rob brand since they've gone to no
2860
02:14:44.560 --> 02:14:48.760
audience shows has been Osca, and I think the women
2861
02:14:49.399 --> 02:14:54.199
on SmackDown tonight probably did outperform the men in terms
2862
02:14:54.319 --> 02:14:58.720
of making their matches, you know, believable and intense through
2863
02:14:58.960 --> 02:15:01.039
the you know the use of their her you know
2864
02:15:01.119 --> 02:15:03.439
of trash talk and verbal cues in the ring. So
2865
02:15:03.840 --> 02:15:06.920
I don't know if that's, you know, just how the
2866
02:15:06.960 --> 02:15:09.720
matches are being produced by the agents that are in
2867
02:15:09.840 --> 02:15:12.000
charge of the matches, or if they're being encouraged to
2868
02:15:12.079 --> 02:15:13.279
do that, but it is noticeable.
2869
02:15:14.039 --> 02:15:17.079
Yeah, I mean, I noticed too that the women are
2870
02:15:17.119 --> 02:15:20.319
being more vocal, and it might just be the selection
2871
02:15:20.399 --> 02:15:22.279
of women who are being featured on TV too versus
2872
02:15:22.399 --> 02:15:23.800
you know, some of the men who aren't. But yeah,
2873
02:15:23.920 --> 02:15:27.439
go ahead, Steve, I was just going to say, you know.
2874
02:15:27.520 --> 02:15:31.560
You mentioned Osca. I'd really get a kick out of her. Again.
2875
02:15:31.600 --> 02:15:34.279
I know she's not a SmackDown personnel, but I really
2876
02:15:34.319 --> 02:15:37.079
get a kick out she goes back between the back
2877
02:15:37.119 --> 02:15:41.640
and forth between the babbling and some kind of Japanese
2878
02:15:41.720 --> 02:15:45.399
slash English mixed agan a few English words and then
2879
02:15:45.520 --> 02:15:47.920
back to it. One of them. I could never understand,
2880
02:15:48.239 --> 02:15:51.760
but with her, especially for her interviews, why they don't
2881
02:15:51.880 --> 02:15:56.239
maybe use an interpreter as far as the storyline or whatever,
2882
02:15:56.720 --> 02:16:00.199
or even subtitles. I just think it might lend from
2883
02:16:00.239 --> 02:16:05.439
extra intensity versus there's deranged babbling that she tends to
2884
02:16:05.479 --> 02:16:06.159
do a little.
2885
02:16:05.960 --> 02:16:07.479
Bit Jake, what do you think of that?
2886
02:16:09.279 --> 02:16:11.520
Yeah, I've often said the same thing. I don't know
2887
02:16:11.560 --> 02:16:14.159
why they're afraid of subtitles. I mean, even if they're
2888
02:16:14.239 --> 02:16:17.720
largely scripted promos. Right, so, even if she's not saying
2889
02:16:17.800 --> 02:16:21.000
exactly what's on the script sheet, even if they gave you,
2890
02:16:21.000 --> 02:16:24.239
you know, the basic idea of what she was attempting
2891
02:16:24.279 --> 02:16:26.800
to say. I think it would be beneficial to the audience.
2892
02:16:26.880 --> 02:16:30.119
But maybe she really is just you know, babbling nonsense.
2893
02:16:30.279 --> 02:16:32.319
I wouldn't have the first idea because I speak for
2894
02:16:32.559 --> 02:16:33.719
no Japanese whatsoever.
2895
02:16:35.680 --> 02:16:36.840
Go ahead, Steve anything else for us.
2896
02:16:38.280 --> 02:16:40.920
And one thing again to the women's side of it.
2897
02:16:41.280 --> 02:16:43.040
And I'll just make one last comment here, because I
2898
02:16:43.079 --> 02:16:47.000
know you have other callers. You know, I really had
2899
02:16:47.120 --> 02:16:50.280
not appreciated as much as I should have, barely as
2900
02:16:50.319 --> 02:16:53.120
a hell of a worker. I mean, she can go
2901
02:16:53.399 --> 02:16:55.879
in the ring. I mean, I'm glad that they've kept
2902
02:16:55.959 --> 02:16:59.319
that belt on her for a while now. But she
2903
02:16:59.559 --> 02:17:03.879
is just a talented, talented worker, you know, in the ring.
2904
02:17:04.559 --> 02:17:08.399
And one thing I'll just mention is that I don't
2905
02:17:09.200 --> 02:17:12.239
think that I'm thrilled at this point how bray White
2906
02:17:12.319 --> 02:17:16.479
has gone from this hottest guy in the business literally
2907
02:17:17.040 --> 02:17:20.319
to somebody who I wouldn't want to see Strowman to
2908
02:17:20.440 --> 02:17:23.840
lose that fast too, And either one of them is
2909
02:17:23.920 --> 02:17:26.079
going to be a missed opportunity to really take it
2910
02:17:26.159 --> 02:17:29.479
to the next level, because obviously, you know Longs and
2911
02:17:29.520 --> 02:17:31.879
Streak Band, you might have one of these schmas endings
2912
02:17:31.920 --> 02:17:35.319
where nobody lives, but I like to see an actual winner,
2913
02:17:35.799 --> 02:17:38.479
and somebody's gonna be missing out of a chance to
2914
02:17:38.559 --> 02:17:39.600
take it to the next level.
2915
02:17:39.639 --> 02:17:45.159
As far as start, Jake, we saw bray Wyatt outside
2916
02:17:45.319 --> 02:17:49.040
of his Fiend character and outside of the comfort zone
2917
02:17:49.079 --> 02:17:52.639
of the Firefly Funhouse. Did that help or hurt him?
2918
02:17:53.040 --> 02:17:54.600
And incorporate what Steve said into that.
2919
02:17:55.360 --> 02:17:59.200
Yeah. To be honest, I think they're doing their absolute
2920
02:17:59.319 --> 02:18:02.360
best to dress up the fact that this feud just
2921
02:18:02.559 --> 02:18:07.239
has no depth to it with a lot of bray
2922
02:18:07.280 --> 02:18:11.639
Wyatt hocus pocus, and I think his character can can
2923
02:18:11.760 --> 02:18:14.200
do that to an extent because they've they've done that,
2924
02:18:14.479 --> 02:18:17.079
you know, the supernatural bit, and obviously they're waiting on
2925
02:18:17.799 --> 02:18:21.360
bringing the Fiend in and teasing that throughout this promo
2926
02:18:22.440 --> 02:18:26.319
on this show, but essentially, you know, they haven't done
2927
02:18:26.360 --> 02:18:29.399
any of the groundwork necessary to make anybody believe that
2928
02:18:29.520 --> 02:18:33.559
Braun Strowman would suddenly fall under bray Wyatt's spell again
2929
02:18:34.079 --> 02:18:37.479
and rejoin him and hand over the belt without a fight.
2930
02:18:37.879 --> 02:18:41.399
And I think there it came across a little a
2931
02:18:41.479 --> 02:18:44.280
little weak because of that, because it's essentially, you know,
2932
02:18:44.360 --> 02:18:48.600
you're just using puppets and bray Wyatt's verbal gimmickry to
2933
02:18:48.680 --> 02:18:50.360
try to make you believe something you know is not
2934
02:18:50.440 --> 02:18:53.360
going to happen. So I think, you know, the Wyatt
2935
02:18:53.440 --> 02:18:56.360
character could be a lot more compelling than it is
2936
02:18:56.680 --> 02:18:59.239
if they would take the time to really tell stories
2937
02:18:59.280 --> 02:19:01.920
with him. But they seem to think the magic of
2938
02:19:02.000 --> 02:19:04.920
the character can overcome really shallow storytelling, And I think
2939
02:19:04.959 --> 02:19:05.520
that's a shame.
2940
02:19:10.920 --> 02:19:14.200
What uh, Jake, did you think that they were doing
2941
02:19:14.239 --> 02:19:18.479
an effective compelling job getting you to think that maybe
2942
02:19:18.600 --> 02:19:26.040
Braun was that Bray's approach to kind of playing mind
2943
02:19:26.040 --> 02:19:28.479
games with Braun was maybe working a little bit, and
2944
02:19:29.040 --> 02:19:34.399
that Braun was working hard to say no to resist
2945
02:19:34.520 --> 02:19:37.159
or do you think I'm reading too much into Braun's acting?
2946
02:19:37.920 --> 02:19:39.559
And then at the end he had Bray going, well,
2947
02:19:39.600 --> 02:19:42.280
I tried sort of like, Okay, my effort is over.
2948
02:19:42.360 --> 02:19:45.399
Now you pay on Sunday. I mean, did the acting
2949
02:19:45.520 --> 02:19:48.479
and did the storytelling their work for you in terms
2950
02:19:48.479 --> 02:19:52.360
of conveying what I thought was and it could just
2951
02:19:52.399 --> 02:19:55.239
be a misreading Braun. The idea that bron had to
2952
02:19:55.319 --> 02:19:57.959
work hard to overcome the power that Bray was was
2953
02:19:58.040 --> 02:19:58.799
casting upon him.
2954
02:19:59.440 --> 02:20:01.719
Well, I think that's what they're The story that they're
2955
02:20:01.760 --> 02:20:04.319
attempting to tell is that at one point in his
2956
02:20:04.479 --> 02:20:08.399
life Braun was this, you know, this weak minded sheep
2957
02:20:08.799 --> 02:20:12.760
that that didn't want to do any thinking for himself.
2958
02:20:13.040 --> 02:20:15.399
And and then he broke free from that when he
2959
02:20:15.479 --> 02:20:17.959
got away from from bray Wyatt and kind of became
2960
02:20:18.000 --> 02:20:20.760
his own man. And now now why it wants to
2961
02:20:21.360 --> 02:20:24.239
kind of suck him back into his circle of influence,
2962
02:20:24.319 --> 02:20:27.479
so to speak. And I just don't think that the
2963
02:20:27.639 --> 02:20:31.680
delivery has has gotten it across as much as me
2964
02:20:32.159 --> 02:20:35.159
reading into the tea leaves of what they're trying to do.
2965
02:20:35.440 --> 02:20:37.319
You know, they they've done a little bit of that
2966
02:20:37.520 --> 02:20:41.319
with you know, the black Mask kind of causing uh
2967
02:20:42.559 --> 02:20:46.040
Braun to have some kind of PTSD flashback or something,
2968
02:20:46.079 --> 02:20:48.319
and and you know they had Bray doing some of
2969
02:20:48.399 --> 02:20:51.520
that tonight with his mic work, sort of teasing the
2970
02:20:51.600 --> 02:20:54.079
fact that you know, he's got this binary character Bray
2971
02:20:54.120 --> 02:20:56.520
Wyatt does where he's got you know, one one of
2972
02:20:56.559 --> 02:20:58.920
his gloves says heal and the other one says hurt.
2973
02:20:59.000 --> 02:21:01.639
That kind of represents two sides of his personality when
2974
02:21:01.680 --> 02:21:03.799
he's you know, the guy in the funhouse or it's
2975
02:21:03.879 --> 02:21:06.559
the it's the fiend. And I think what they're trying
2976
02:21:06.600 --> 02:21:08.200
to tell us is that, well, he tried to be
2977
02:21:08.319 --> 02:21:11.200
the nice guy and now you know he's the fiend.
2978
02:21:11.319 --> 02:21:13.159
May have to get involved to get him what he wants.
2979
02:21:13.600 --> 02:21:16.040
But I don't think the writing and the performances have
2980
02:21:16.479 --> 02:21:18.680
gotten that across as much as me sort of filling
2981
02:21:18.719 --> 02:21:20.600
in all the blank spots with my own, you know,
2982
02:21:21.159 --> 02:21:22.280
mental gymnastics.
2983
02:21:22.760 --> 02:21:25.879
Do you think Braun was intending with acting to convey
2984
02:21:26.120 --> 02:21:30.319
that he was having to resist though, or Okay, he wasn't.
2985
02:21:30.360 --> 02:21:32.840
It wasn't just me and misreading and Braun just staring
2986
02:21:32.959 --> 02:21:35.239
down Bray and listening, and it made it look like
2987
02:21:35.360 --> 02:21:36.159
he felt tempted.
2988
02:21:36.719 --> 02:21:39.399
No, I think they were trying to sell you on
2989
02:21:39.559 --> 02:21:41.920
the on the idea that he could have been, But
2990
02:21:42.200 --> 02:21:44.600
you know, the performances, I mean, I don't know. Maybe
2991
02:21:44.639 --> 02:21:46.760
you think differently of Braun than I do, but he's
2992
02:21:46.799 --> 02:21:49.399
always kind of woulden. And if you can't if you
2993
02:21:49.440 --> 02:21:53.079
can't scream at something or or destroy it by beating
2994
02:21:53.120 --> 02:21:55.280
it to death, he's not your guy, you know. So
2995
02:21:55.719 --> 02:21:58.680
they're trying to get nuanced across with a character that
2996
02:21:58.760 --> 02:21:59.600
really struggles with it.
2997
02:22:00.120 --> 02:22:00.159
No.
2998
02:22:00.280 --> 02:22:01.680
Absolutely, That's what I was thinking.
2999
02:22:01.760 --> 02:22:04.040
Was vacillating a little bit, Yeah, and they could pull
3000
02:22:04.120 --> 02:22:04.719
that mask out.
3001
02:22:05.319 --> 02:22:07.120
That's that's the word I was looking for. Yeah, just
3002
02:22:07.200 --> 02:22:10.479
kind of vacillating. His knees were hitting a little weak
3003
02:22:10.639 --> 02:22:13.799
with you know, the memories, and you know, was Bray
3004
02:22:13.840 --> 02:22:16.760
gonna pierce the armor that Braun has built up? And
3005
02:22:17.760 --> 02:22:19.639
I think you want to convey that. I mean, I'd
3006
02:22:19.719 --> 02:22:22.680
like to see more depth to the Braun Bray dynamic,
3007
02:22:23.319 --> 02:22:26.079
and it is a little paper thin, but I applaud
3008
02:22:26.079 --> 02:22:28.360
them for at least going back and talking about it.
3009
02:22:28.639 --> 02:22:30.440
I wish that they wouldn't talk about what we already
3010
02:22:30.520 --> 02:22:34.719
knew only but maybe reveal some additional details of their backstory.
3011
02:22:35.040 --> 02:22:37.639
You know, Braun just sort of in a wooden way,
3012
02:22:37.719 --> 02:22:40.360
said you think you created me, and therefore I owe you,
3013
02:22:40.520 --> 02:22:43.840
and that is not true. It's just very surface level,
3014
02:22:43.920 --> 02:22:47.000
and i'd like Bray to kind of offer a little more,
3015
02:22:47.840 --> 02:22:50.239
even some things that maybe we don't even fully understand
3016
02:22:50.319 --> 02:22:53.239
but intrigue us as viewers about what did Bray mean
3017
02:22:53.319 --> 02:22:55.280
by that when he says something about Braun and it
3018
02:22:55.840 --> 02:22:59.280
felt to me rather unimaginative. And I feel like they're
3019
02:22:59.360 --> 02:23:01.479
leaving some and we don't have any more more to
3020
02:23:01.559 --> 02:23:03.799
go between now and between now and the pay per
3021
02:23:03.840 --> 02:23:06.360
view with it on Sunday. But I was hoping for more.
3022
02:23:06.479 --> 02:23:07.920
I don't give them a feeling grade, but I was
3023
02:23:07.959 --> 02:23:11.479
definitely hoping for more in terms of developing the dynamic
3024
02:23:11.559 --> 02:23:13.680
between them. I'll go ahead, Steve and.
3025
02:23:14.159 --> 02:23:16.760
One last thing. And I know that they've done this
3026
02:23:18.079 --> 02:23:22.079
in a bit over it, you know, over on TNT,
3027
02:23:23.440 --> 02:23:26.520
but I don't know if you've got some road crew
3028
02:23:26.840 --> 02:23:30.959
or producers or somebody. He could he given me somebody's cousin.
3029
02:23:31.760 --> 02:23:34.159
Why can't they put And I understand why, but I
3030
02:23:34.280 --> 02:23:38.479
wish they would put maybe ten people or twenty people
3031
02:23:38.920 --> 02:23:42.920
sitting around the ring just so you could play off somebody,
3032
02:23:42.920 --> 02:23:45.680
because while I do get a kick out of seeing
3033
02:23:45.719 --> 02:23:50.079
these people, and obviously the less experience or should I
3034
02:23:50.120 --> 02:23:53.239
say effective people will still play to a crowd that
3035
02:23:53.399 --> 02:23:56.600
isn't there. I wish there was maybe ten fifteen people
3036
02:23:56.680 --> 02:23:59.280
around the ring. Who's face it, some of these guys,
3037
02:23:59.639 --> 02:24:02.440
if not a lot of them, have performed in front
3038
02:24:02.479 --> 02:24:06.520
of extremely small crowds at times in their career. At
3039
02:24:06.600 --> 02:24:09.079
least put a little bit of somebody there. Doesn't have
3040
02:24:09.159 --> 02:24:12.120
to be twenty thousand, it could be seventeen people, just
3041
02:24:12.200 --> 02:24:14.799
so they could have that interaction.
3042
02:24:14.360 --> 02:24:16.079
A little bit, Jake.
3043
02:24:16.120 --> 02:24:18.399
It makes a world of difference in AW, even if
3044
02:24:18.399 --> 02:24:21.959
it's not a thousand people. A couple dozen people just
3045
02:24:22.079 --> 02:24:24.520
creates such atmosphere and it really is a stark difference.
3046
02:24:24.520 --> 02:24:26.600
So I usually watch AW first and then NXT on
3047
02:24:26.600 --> 02:24:29.959
Wednesday nights, and it's really noticeable back to back, and
3048
02:24:30.040 --> 02:24:32.520
it is hurting Ron SmackDown. Aw's doing a better job
3049
02:24:32.600 --> 02:24:37.040
retaining their viewers recently, whereas in recent weeks Ron' SmackDown
3050
02:24:37.040 --> 02:24:39.920
had been declining at a sharper sharper rate in AW
3051
02:24:40.079 --> 02:24:42.799
has been relatively steady, and I do wand to a
3052
02:24:42.879 --> 02:24:45.280
part of that is just the sense of not being
3053
02:24:45.360 --> 02:24:46.920
kind of creeped out by how quiet and echo we
3054
02:24:47.000 --> 02:24:50.120
everything is based on the way AAW has produced their
3055
02:24:50.239 --> 02:24:52.920
show since the COVID nineteen eliminated crowds.
3056
02:24:53.559 --> 02:24:59.319
Yeah, I think, you know, perhaps going into these no
3057
02:24:59.479 --> 02:25:04.280
audience shows, we might have underestimated how much of a
3058
02:25:04.440 --> 02:25:07.360
character the crowd is in the show. You know, they
3059
02:25:07.719 --> 02:25:12.639
certainly play a part in how you react to moments,
3060
02:25:12.719 --> 02:25:15.719
even sitting in your living room. You know, their reaction
3061
02:25:15.920 --> 02:25:19.520
becomes sort of part of the experience for home viewers.
3062
02:25:19.680 --> 02:25:23.000
And I do think aw has benefited from even having
3063
02:25:23.440 --> 02:25:27.799
the minimum amount of reaction and noise happening on the outside.
3064
02:25:28.000 --> 02:25:32.840
And I think it becomes easier to suspend, you know,
3065
02:25:33.000 --> 02:25:36.719
your your disbelief about the situation. Yeah, it's impossible to
3066
02:25:36.879 --> 02:25:41.680
watch Raw or NXT or smack Down and not actively be,
3067
02:25:42.280 --> 02:25:44.360
you know, thinking about the fact that we're in a
3068
02:25:44.399 --> 02:25:48.239
pandemic the entire time, because it's just so hollow and
3069
02:25:48.399 --> 02:25:51.680
empty for most of the show inside those arenas. And
3070
02:25:51.920 --> 02:25:55.559
I think even the minimal amount of noise that that
3071
02:25:55.680 --> 02:25:58.120
AEW has been able to bring, you know, on on
3072
02:25:58.239 --> 02:26:01.239
Wednesday nights, has made that a little bit more tolerable.
3073
02:26:02.079 --> 02:26:03.399
Sure, sure, gentlemen.
3074
02:26:03.680 --> 02:26:06.479
I am a very very long time listener, but first
3075
02:26:06.559 --> 02:26:10.319
time caller. I appreciate your time and they keep up
3076
02:26:10.360 --> 02:26:11.600
the great work and the great shows.
3077
02:26:11.840 --> 02:26:13.520
Awesome. Thanks to you. I hope you are able to
3078
02:26:13.559 --> 02:26:15.000
call us again when you can watch the show live.
3079
02:26:15.399 --> 02:26:20.000
All right, take it yep, you bet, Thanks for downloading
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Pw torch dot com slash go vip. All right, let's
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go next. Well, let's go with the phonemers again. If
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Two six one five. I'll go six one five, states
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Hey, guys as Shaunston, femurgboth Tennessee.
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How do you guys doing doing great? John? Good to
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hear for murphers Boro. What's on your mind about SmackDown tonight?
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Oh yeah, Jake, it's good to talk to you. The
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02:27:32.479 --> 02:27:37.040
first thing was again like I'm definitely over the like
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you guys said a few times with the mystery partner.
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But if you're gonna have, if you're gonna do it,
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02:27:41.680 --> 02:27:44.520
if you're gonna have the mystery partner, please don't even
3107
02:27:44.520 --> 02:27:47.719
though it's more obvious anyway, don't have this us talking
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02:27:47.959 --> 02:27:50.319
the three of them together like twenty minutes before, Like
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02:27:50.639 --> 02:27:53.200
I just don't do that, Like come on, like, don't
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02:27:53.360 --> 02:27:55.479
make everybody look anyways, like well, I wonder who's gonna
3111
02:27:55.479 --> 02:27:57.120
do Wobbs. It's gonna be odes because they're just talking
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02:27:57.159 --> 02:27:57.399
to him.
3113
02:27:57.440 --> 02:27:58.040
What's I know?
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02:27:58.719 --> 02:28:00.879
I was just like, come on, man, that's what you
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02:28:01.040 --> 02:28:01.440
think about that?
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02:28:01.559 --> 02:28:05.000
Some dumb I thought that was awful. When when Graves
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02:28:05.079 --> 02:28:06.600
is like, oh, if they can find a partner, And
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02:28:06.719 --> 02:28:10.440
the last thing we saw were Brian and Dregulak hanging
3119
02:28:10.479 --> 02:28:12.520
out with Otis, and Otis didn't wrestle on the show,
3120
02:28:12.559 --> 02:28:14.840
but he was there it. I mean, I know, he'll
3121
02:28:14.879 --> 02:28:18.479
commentators aren't always supposed to be you know whatever. It's
3122
02:28:18.559 --> 02:28:21.399
just it was even too dumb of a comment for
3123
02:28:21.479 --> 02:28:24.280
Corey Graves to say, whether a straight face or sarcastically,
3124
02:28:24.280 --> 02:28:26.920
it made him look dumb too, you know. I mean,
3125
02:28:26.959 --> 02:28:29.000
I know that that Mystery Partners is is you know,
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02:28:29.120 --> 02:28:31.799
typically historically gives you a little bit of a bump
3127
02:28:31.920 --> 02:28:34.399
and adds a little little something extra to the show,
3128
02:28:34.799 --> 02:28:36.680
but the payoff has to be better than the only
3129
02:28:36.799 --> 02:28:38.879
other guy at the show who was hanging out with
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02:28:38.959 --> 02:28:40.840
the two people who are looking for a mystery partner,
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02:28:41.079 --> 02:28:43.719
and then you're still selling it as a mystery. Yeah,
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it was.
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It was a round.
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02:28:45.639 --> 02:28:47.440
Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, I was jak.
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02:28:47.639 --> 02:28:49.000
I was wonder what you thought about that, for sure,
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because I just, I mean, I think everybody was obvious
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02:28:51.479 --> 02:28:52.959
for a lot of people, but I just like, why
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02:28:53.000 --> 02:28:54.959
would you do that if you're gonna have a mystery partner.
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02:28:55.000 --> 02:28:56.000
It just didn't make sense to it.
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02:28:56.760 --> 02:28:57.920
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
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02:28:58.520 --> 02:29:01.319
They're often guilty of foreshoting like that, but it's typically
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02:29:01.399 --> 02:29:03.079
not beat you over the head.
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02:29:03.159 --> 02:29:03.520
Obvious.
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02:29:03.639 --> 02:29:06.479
I mean sometimes it's more obvious than others, but that
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02:29:06.719 --> 02:29:09.559
that stuck out as like a you know, a perfect
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02:29:09.600 --> 02:29:11.680
time to do a swerve, like oh, they were talking
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02:29:11.760 --> 02:29:14.319
with Otis, but then they they bring out Alias or
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02:29:14.360 --> 02:29:16.959
something or somebody you weren't expecting. But nope, it was
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02:29:17.479 --> 02:29:23.600
exactly what you thought was very underwhelming. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah.
3150
02:29:24.719 --> 02:29:27.159
So yeah. The first question I was gonna ask was
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02:29:27.719 --> 02:29:30.600
what you thought of the Seamus Jeff Hardy segment that
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02:29:30.639 --> 02:29:33.959
we finally got it? Yeah, because I liked Jeff. I
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02:29:34.159 --> 02:29:35.959
liked his thing with Renee. I thought that was good.
3154
02:29:36.559 --> 02:29:38.559
And then Seamus. I mean I didn't like Seamus talking
3155
02:29:38.719 --> 02:29:41.159
like behind this or showing him, you know, talking while
3156
02:29:41.200 --> 02:29:43.200
he's Jeff Hardy's talking. I just thought that was kind
3157
02:29:43.200 --> 02:29:47.040
of dumb. But when Seamus came out, that's the best
3158
02:29:47.079 --> 02:29:49.920
he's spoken actually in quite a while. It didn't feel
3159
02:29:50.120 --> 02:29:52.319
is scripted is most of the things he's done, Like,
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02:29:52.360 --> 02:29:55.360
I actually really enjoyed it. What did you guys think
3161
02:29:55.399 --> 02:29:56.639
about that? And then what do you guys think when
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02:29:56.680 --> 02:29:59.360
they finally wrestle? It's kind of one of those you know,
3163
02:30:00.360 --> 02:30:02.360
you know, who do you think they're going to put
3164
02:30:02.399 --> 02:30:03.399
over in that area.
3165
02:30:05.520 --> 02:30:08.840
Yeah, I thought it was the wording of Jeff. Jeff
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02:30:08.840 --> 02:30:11.760
Hardy's promos are always awkward, Jake. I mean, there's just
3167
02:30:11.799 --> 02:30:15.639
something about his cadence and an emphasis on words, and
3168
02:30:16.120 --> 02:30:17.760
he just has a weird way of any a sentence
3169
02:30:17.840 --> 02:30:20.760
in a way that nobody else sends a sentence Whenever,
3170
02:30:20.879 --> 02:30:23.159
especially he tries to increase his volume and show enthusiasm.
3171
02:30:23.239 --> 02:30:25.079
It's like he doesn't know there's an exclamation point at
3172
02:30:25.079 --> 02:30:28.079
the end until the very end. It doesn't feel natural,
3173
02:30:28.159 --> 02:30:30.040
and that was present, but I thought it was better
3174
02:30:30.120 --> 02:30:33.000
than usual. And then you have to account for the
3175
02:30:33.040 --> 02:30:37.040
material and the content was you know, it felt scripted.
3176
02:30:37.040 --> 02:30:41.000
I mean, w B feels scripted. It's along with you know.
3177
02:30:41.079 --> 02:30:42.479
I mean again, it goes back to what I said
3178
02:30:42.479 --> 02:30:46.000
early on. Without a crowd reacting to stuff, I think
3179
02:30:46.079 --> 02:30:49.159
it really is stripped away some of the camouflaging of
3180
02:30:49.399 --> 02:30:52.600
how scripted the dialogue is on these shows. And I
3181
02:30:53.600 --> 02:30:56.000
Jeff just seems like somebody who you're scared to trust,
3182
02:30:57.520 --> 02:31:01.120
you know, winging it but following such a close script
3183
02:31:01.159 --> 02:31:02.280
and I know, you know, he was caught off by
3184
02:31:02.319 --> 02:31:04.799
Shamus and talked over by Shamus, and they were self
3185
02:31:04.840 --> 02:31:06.959
aware of harding, not being a guy you just lean
3186
02:31:07.040 --> 02:31:09.319
on for six straight minutes of talking. But so I
3187
02:31:09.360 --> 02:31:11.760
thought it was a mix of better than usual from Jeff.
3188
02:31:12.159 --> 02:31:14.799
The scripting undercut what I thought was a slightly better
3189
02:31:14.840 --> 02:31:16.600
performance than usual from him. Jake, what do you think?
3190
02:31:17.479 --> 02:31:20.799
Yeah, I read it a bit differently than that. I
3191
02:31:21.360 --> 02:31:25.879
thought Jeff came across really insincere for a guy who's
3192
02:31:25.920 --> 02:31:29.520
on like chance three hundred and twenty two when it
3193
02:31:29.639 --> 02:31:33.920
comes to having you know, issues outside of wrestling impact
3194
02:31:34.079 --> 02:31:37.840
his career and then you know, making the triumphant come back,
3195
02:31:38.000 --> 02:31:41.680
like it for a guy that has struggled with substance
3196
02:31:41.719 --> 02:31:45.760
abuse and other issues and obviously injuries and his body
3197
02:31:45.879 --> 02:31:47.799
sort of given up on him after all these years.
3198
02:31:48.159 --> 02:31:50.840
He just he didn't come across like he was grateful,
3199
02:31:51.000 --> 02:31:53.920
you know, like you would expect a real level of
3200
02:31:54.040 --> 02:31:56.959
sincerity and gratefulness for a guy that was being you know,
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02:31:57.120 --> 02:32:00.440
given a pretty big push upon his return, and it
3202
02:32:00.600 --> 02:32:05.600
just it wasn't there. Like during you know, Seamus's scripted comments,
3203
02:32:05.719 --> 02:32:07.879
you didn't even see anger on his face. He was
3204
02:32:08.000 --> 02:32:10.879
just kind of dead panning the whole thing while Seamus
3205
02:32:11.000 --> 02:32:13.920
was talking about all of his failures, and you know
3206
02:32:14.040 --> 02:32:17.280
how he never sees the next failure coming because he's
3207
02:32:17.440 --> 02:32:20.360
he's not self aware enough and things of that nature.
3208
02:32:20.399 --> 02:32:23.680
So I thought this really suffered from the lack of
3209
02:32:23.760 --> 02:32:27.120
a crowd, which would have been really behind Hearty and
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02:32:27.280 --> 02:32:31.239
probably you know, obviously booing Seamus out of the building,
3211
02:32:31.440 --> 02:32:35.559
and it came across pretty awkward to me. I thought,
3212
02:32:35.639 --> 02:32:39.200
Jeff uh sort of executed this thing pretty pretty poorly
3213
02:32:39.280 --> 02:32:42.040
from that standpoint, and maybe that's not what they were
3214
02:32:42.120 --> 02:32:44.319
going for, and it just was, you know, the way
3215
02:32:44.639 --> 02:32:46.479
it was, just the way that it came across without
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02:32:46.479 --> 02:32:49.840
a crowd, but his vocal cadence and his lack of
3217
02:32:50.000 --> 02:32:54.440
genuine enthusiasm really sunk what could have been an otherwise
3218
02:32:54.520 --> 02:32:55.760
pretty great return for him.
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02:33:02.200 --> 02:33:04.239
Go ahead, I know we missed something, Sean. What was
3220
02:33:04.239 --> 02:33:05.399
the second point you brought up?
3221
02:33:06.239 --> 02:33:08.079
No, I just wanted to see, you know, what you
3222
02:33:08.120 --> 02:33:10.680
thought from Seamus's aspect, because I don't know, like, oh, yeah,
3223
02:33:10.760 --> 02:33:12.319
I mean, I see what you're saying, Jake, But it
3224
02:33:12.360 --> 02:33:14.399
didn't seem I don't know, it didn't feel a scripted
3225
02:33:14.440 --> 02:33:16.559
from Seamus's aspect to me, Like I thought he came
3226
02:33:16.639 --> 02:33:18.239
up with some lines. I don't think you could just
3227
02:33:18.319 --> 02:33:19.799
rain him. I mean, you could bring him up, but
3228
02:33:19.920 --> 02:33:23.079
it seemed more real and like talking about But I
3229
02:33:23.520 --> 02:33:24.719
do like what you said about Jeff Hardy.
3230
02:33:24.760 --> 02:33:25.680
But what did you wade?
3231
02:33:25.719 --> 02:33:26.959
What'd you think where Seamus.
3232
02:33:26.760 --> 02:33:27.159
Was coming from?
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02:33:27.239 --> 02:33:28.319
Did you like what he was saying?
3234
02:33:28.959 --> 02:33:29.159
Yeah?
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02:33:29.200 --> 02:33:31.559
Yeah, I thought he was fine. I mean, he was
3236
02:33:31.760 --> 02:33:34.840
kind of convincing, and it's up to Jeff Hardy to counter.
3237
02:33:35.040 --> 02:33:38.600
I guess how convincing Seamus was. I mean, I thought
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02:33:38.639 --> 02:33:44.319
Seamus was unlikable and obnoxious and laid it on really thick,
3239
02:33:44.879 --> 02:33:47.639
uh in terms of trying to rub Jeff's face in
3240
02:33:47.760 --> 02:33:51.959
the dirt about how he's let people down before. And
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02:33:52.639 --> 02:33:54.520
I thought that's where it worked a little bit better
3242
02:33:54.600 --> 02:33:57.120
for Jeff, kind of pushing back, and I thought it
3243
02:33:57.559 --> 02:33:59.920
made you. I mean, the goal was to get you
3244
02:34:00.120 --> 02:34:02.479
root for Jeff more to show up Seamus, and I
3245
02:34:02.520 --> 02:34:06.120
thought Seamus was effective in doing that. Jake, Yeah, I
3246
02:34:06.159 --> 02:34:06.680
would agree.
3247
02:34:06.719 --> 02:34:10.120
I thought Seamus was far more polished in this segment
3248
02:34:10.200 --> 02:34:14.680
than Hardy was. And maybe it's because he's he's just
3249
02:34:15.079 --> 02:34:20.000
more accustomed to the WWE promo format and memorizing his
3250
02:34:20.159 --> 02:34:22.920
lines and and all of those pieces to the puzzle.
3251
02:34:24.000 --> 02:34:26.520
You know that that he's been immersed in for his
3252
02:34:26.799 --> 02:34:30.360
entire career. But I thought his delivery was good. I
3253
02:34:30.600 --> 02:34:35.600
thought he he came across as more sort of intellectually
3254
02:34:35.719 --> 02:34:39.600
and emotionally connected to the material than Jeff did, who
3255
02:34:39.760 --> 02:34:42.079
just seemed really distant and for a guy who was
3256
02:34:42.159 --> 02:34:46.799
making a comeback after another devastating couple of years of
3257
02:34:46.840 --> 02:34:50.879
his life. And so I thought Seamus was really solid here.
3258
02:34:50.959 --> 02:34:53.200
I don't know, you know, they're probably going to have
3259
02:34:53.799 --> 02:34:57.799
Jeff eventually win this feud because it's it's a comeback feud.
3260
02:34:57.840 --> 02:35:01.159
But man, I think from a performance point, Seam has
3261
02:35:01.200 --> 02:35:02.319
really outshined him tonight.
3262
02:35:03.040 --> 02:35:05.239
Yeah, And I admit, I mean, I preface I am
3263
02:35:05.319 --> 02:35:08.440
grading Jeff Hardy on a curve when it comes to
3264
02:35:08.520 --> 02:35:10.799
his performance here. But I thought this was above average
3265
02:35:10.840 --> 02:35:14.280
Jeff Hardy. But I don't disagree really with what you're saying,
3266
02:35:14.360 --> 02:35:17.280
Jake about the opportunity that was here for Jeff to
3267
02:35:17.680 --> 02:35:24.239
show that not only has he that in real life,
3268
02:35:24.479 --> 02:35:26.280
like there's a chance for him to break out of
3269
02:35:26.399 --> 02:35:28.200
the mode that kept the Hardy Boys from having a
3270
02:35:28.239 --> 02:35:31.559
promo forever many years on television, and this is the
3271
02:35:31.639 --> 02:35:34.959
chance to show as a forty something who's been part
3272
02:35:35.000 --> 02:35:37.239
of this journey, and he wants to show people this
3273
02:35:37.360 --> 02:35:39.479
is a new Jeff Hardy and he's grown up, and
3274
02:35:39.840 --> 02:35:42.479
there's just kind of another layer of maturity and self
3275
02:35:42.520 --> 02:35:46.399
awareness at even at just at expressing himself. You'd hope
3276
02:35:46.440 --> 02:35:48.079
for him to get to that next level. And I
3277
02:35:48.159 --> 02:35:50.319
thought this was a better than average version of old
3278
02:35:50.399 --> 02:35:52.879
Jeff Hardy, but it would be nice to see him
3279
02:35:53.120 --> 02:35:55.639
show up and kind of feel you at a good phrase.
3280
02:35:55.639 --> 02:35:58.079
I can't think, but you know, as far as Seamus
3281
02:35:58.159 --> 02:36:02.520
went and have Jeff be more yeah, emotionally connected and
3282
02:36:02.719 --> 02:36:04.399
not just seem like he's trying to remember what he's
3283
02:36:04.399 --> 02:36:05.559
going to say and say it the way that he
3284
02:36:05.600 --> 02:36:08.600
thinks he's supposed to say it. But that's I didn't
3285
02:36:08.600 --> 02:36:11.040
expect that tonight because we've seen so much of Jeff
3286
02:36:11.040 --> 02:36:14.000
Hardy in the microphone in dow W and TNA and
3287
02:36:14.159 --> 02:36:17.239
over the years, and it's just not there. I don't
3288
02:36:17.280 --> 02:36:19.680
think he can tap into it. And so it's one
3289
02:36:19.680 --> 02:36:21.479
of the things that has, you know, held him back
3290
02:36:21.479 --> 02:36:22.920
from being a bigger star of the years. It's not
3291
02:36:23.239 --> 02:36:25.600
it isn't just the drug issues that's held him back.
3292
02:36:25.639 --> 02:36:29.440
It's being able to really cut that effective promo again.
3293
02:36:29.479 --> 02:36:31.680
It's almost like Okay said, it's almost like trying to
3294
02:36:31.959 --> 02:36:34.879
watch Raven get really excited, like you just know it's
3295
02:36:34.920 --> 02:36:37.239
not that it's never coming and it's not there. Yeah,
3296
02:36:37.479 --> 02:36:40.200
And I mean, maybe you know that's being a bit
3297
02:36:40.440 --> 02:36:43.879
too harsh, but it does seem like there's a you know,
3298
02:36:43.959 --> 02:36:46.440
that there was just a genuine lack of excitement from
3299
02:36:46.520 --> 02:36:49.159
Hardy when it should have been, you know, a big
3300
02:36:49.280 --> 02:36:52.000
moment for him. And they put quite a few weeks
3301
02:36:52.040 --> 02:36:54.760
of promos together for him, and obviously he had overcome
3302
02:36:54.799 --> 02:36:57.799
some pretty significant health challenges to get back to the ring.
3303
02:36:58.000 --> 02:36:59.840
I was expecting him to be pretty fired up and
3304
02:37:00.120 --> 02:37:03.000
just wasn't there. Structurally, I want to criticize one thing
3305
02:37:03.239 --> 02:37:05.040
when Seamus said, that's it, I'm heading to the ring,
3306
02:37:05.360 --> 02:37:07.520
and then then at that moment have Jeff Hardy goes Seamus,
3307
02:37:07.559 --> 02:37:10.079
I'm surprised you're not out here already interrupting me. I
3308
02:37:10.159 --> 02:37:11.680
could have done, you know, just one or the other
3309
02:37:11.719 --> 02:37:13.760
would have worked. But to have like those two things
3310
02:37:13.879 --> 02:37:17.079
just happened to occur at the same time, Seamus saying
3311
02:37:17.120 --> 02:37:18.600
I'm heading to the ring, and then Hardy going I'm
3312
02:37:18.600 --> 02:37:21.200
surprised you're not here yet. That just that kind of
3313
02:37:21.239 --> 02:37:23.159
threw me off too. I would have rather had Seamus
3314
02:37:23.319 --> 02:37:27.200
just interrupt Jeff or I'd rather have Jeff call out Seamus.
3315
02:37:27.760 --> 02:37:29.159
But to have them both happened at the same time
3316
02:37:29.239 --> 02:37:33.319
felt really contrived to me. Anything else A good point.
3317
02:37:33.360 --> 02:37:35.239
That's a good point. No, that's a good point. I
3318
02:37:35.239 --> 02:37:37.000
didn't think about it in that perspective, but that was
3319
02:37:37.120 --> 02:37:38.479
that was really good. You have made a lot of
3320
02:37:38.479 --> 02:37:40.680
good points. But I do think, honestly think shame This
3321
02:37:40.760 --> 02:37:41.920
should go over only.
3322
02:37:41.799 --> 02:37:45.120
Because it was great as Jeff Hardy's been over the years.
3323
02:37:44.920 --> 02:37:47.040
And such, and it is a comeback story, you know,
3324
02:37:47.079 --> 02:37:49.760
I get that quote unquote comeback, but there's more to
3325
02:37:49.799 --> 02:37:51.559
do with shame This, and I just think him losing
3326
02:37:51.600 --> 02:37:54.680
to Jeff Hardy at this point, I don't know really
3327
02:37:54.760 --> 02:37:57.520
what it does, because I mean so I would pick
3328
02:37:57.559 --> 02:38:00.079
Seamus to go over to his knee booking that. The
3329
02:38:00.239 --> 02:38:04.319
one other question I had was I thought Sony and
3330
02:38:04.399 --> 02:38:06.559
Mandy again, I thought they did a really good job
3331
02:38:06.639 --> 02:38:09.680
with the aggressive level of the match, like, okay, you
3332
02:38:09.719 --> 02:38:11.680
know Sonia comes in many just wants to go at it.
3333
02:38:12.040 --> 02:38:14.280
I like that aspect, and it was hard hitting for
3334
02:38:14.360 --> 02:38:17.440
what it was. But even though they're going to wrestle again,
3335
02:38:17.959 --> 02:38:19.600
did you like the finish? I thought it was a
3336
02:38:19.719 --> 02:38:22.319
little sudden, a little quick. I thought they would have
3337
02:38:22.319 --> 02:38:25.040
maybe worked a little something more, maybe maybe three or
3338
02:38:25.079 --> 02:38:26.760
four more minutes, just to kind of get you invested
3339
02:38:26.799 --> 02:38:27.639
in a little bit more.
3340
02:38:27.799 --> 02:38:29.120
What did you think about the finish.
3341
02:38:28.879 --> 02:38:29.639
Of that match?
3342
02:38:29.719 --> 02:38:31.120
Did you like it for what it was? And like,
3343
02:38:31.120 --> 02:38:33.239
all right, they're going to do more than That's cool?
3344
02:38:33.719 --> 02:38:37.280
Yeah, it's you know, considering the circumstances, which we always
3345
02:38:37.319 --> 02:38:40.639
have to say. You know, Mandy and Sonia brought it,
3346
02:38:40.719 --> 02:38:42.280
but they brought it for five minutes, and this was
3347
02:38:42.360 --> 02:38:45.079
a grudge match They've been built up for months. I mean,
3348
02:38:45.200 --> 02:38:48.319
the backstory here. It was really intense while they fought,
3349
02:38:48.440 --> 02:38:51.040
but it did feel like a really quick ending. And
3350
02:38:51.399 --> 02:38:54.360
I think, as I I mean, I get to a degree,
3351
02:38:54.399 --> 02:38:57.239
I get why. I mean, but Tad, Michael call the
3352
02:38:57.920 --> 02:38:59.600
and this is you could have said this so many
3353
02:38:59.680 --> 02:39:02.040
times every year since Cole's been an announcer, and really
3354
02:39:02.079 --> 02:39:05.639
all go to the announcers over the years, but for
3355
02:39:05.799 --> 02:39:08.040
Cole to say this was one of the most emotional
3356
02:39:08.159 --> 02:39:11.440
and personal matchups I can ever remember on Friday Nights SmackDown.
3357
02:39:12.040 --> 02:39:14.120
It just felt so heavy handed. I get, and he
3358
02:39:14.200 --> 02:39:17.559
said that after the finish. I get that it was
3359
02:39:18.200 --> 02:39:22.120
personal and emotional, but to say that it's one of
3360
02:39:22.200 --> 02:39:25.719
the most he can remember after a five minute fight
3361
02:39:26.000 --> 02:39:28.440
that seemed like it sort of ended a little too soon,
3362
02:39:28.959 --> 02:39:32.479
I thought was putting at risk Coll's credibility with him
3363
02:39:32.959 --> 02:39:36.840
trying too hard to sell that you're watching something important here,
3364
02:39:37.000 --> 02:39:40.120
even with crashing viewership numbers and that kind of thing.
3365
02:39:40.399 --> 02:39:42.040
So that jumped out to me almost as much as
3366
02:39:42.040 --> 02:39:44.159
the fact that the finish kind of came out of nowhere.
3367
02:39:44.360 --> 02:39:47.079
You know, Gray said this round belongs to Deville, but
3368
02:39:47.200 --> 02:39:49.280
it didn't really solve anything. They just both beat each
3369
02:39:49.280 --> 02:39:51.239
other up for a short amount of time, and it
3370
02:39:51.639 --> 02:39:54.399
didn't feel like this was the right setting or the
3371
02:39:54.559 --> 02:39:57.000
right place on the show, or the right length of
3372
02:39:57.079 --> 02:39:59.559
a match to feel like it did justice to the
3373
02:39:59.639 --> 02:40:03.959
person issue or frankly, you know, the rise of Sonia
3374
02:40:04.200 --> 02:40:07.440
in recent weeks. So yeah, Jake, your thoughts on the
3375
02:40:07.600 --> 02:40:08.360
choices they made here.
3376
02:40:08.920 --> 02:40:11.799
Yeah, I think maybe maybe Cole has some horrible memory
3377
02:40:11.840 --> 02:40:14.319
loss that we're not giving him credit for. I don't know,
3378
02:40:14.479 --> 02:40:17.959
But the in terms of the announcing uh and calling
3379
02:40:18.040 --> 02:40:22.000
it the most emotional match that's ever happened on SmackDown.
3380
02:40:22.120 --> 02:40:25.399
But the in terms of the feud, I have to
3381
02:40:25.479 --> 02:40:26.040
believe there.
3382
02:40:26.440 --> 02:40:30.040
You know, this match was just you know, a sort
3383
02:40:30.079 --> 02:40:33.079
of opening salvo in what will be a much longer feud.
3384
02:40:33.159 --> 02:40:35.840
I mean, I assume we're going to get a stipulation
3385
02:40:36.000 --> 02:40:37.399
match out of this at some point. I don't know
3386
02:40:37.399 --> 02:40:39.360
if I'll end up being on SmackDown or if it'll
3387
02:40:39.399 --> 02:40:42.159
end up being on on pay per view, but I
3388
02:40:42.280 --> 02:40:47.000
think Sonia has been a standout performer since they've turned
3389
02:40:47.000 --> 02:40:51.680
her heel on Mandy, and they'd be wasting an opportunity
3390
02:40:51.760 --> 02:40:53.719
with her if they didn't try to extend this feud
3391
02:40:53.760 --> 02:40:55.840
and get a few more weeks out of it at
3392
02:40:55.879 --> 02:40:59.040
the very least. And so the quick roll up finish,
3393
02:40:59.639 --> 02:41:04.360
while was you know, I guess, a fairly intense match,
3394
02:41:04.520 --> 02:41:08.559
it didn't really do anything technically exciting, and so I'm
3395
02:41:08.600 --> 02:41:11.719
hoping that they're reserving their best match for whatever the
3396
02:41:11.840 --> 02:41:13.959
next one is, when you know when that happens on
3397
02:41:14.319 --> 02:41:16.319
SmackDown or on pay per view. With the have they
3398
02:41:16.360 --> 02:41:18.000
announced the June pay per view by the way, I
3399
02:41:18.079 --> 02:41:20.559
think the next one on the calendars is Extreme Rules
3400
02:41:20.600 --> 02:41:22.719
in July, so I'm not sure when the next one's happening.
3401
02:41:22.920 --> 02:41:25.000
I keep saying the June pay per view because I
3402
02:41:25.079 --> 02:41:27.639
don't know what the Dune pay per views, but it's
3403
02:41:27.680 --> 02:41:31.920
hard of me imagined they would be skipping a month.
3404
02:41:33.000 --> 02:41:35.040
Let me see what shows up here when I do
3405
02:41:35.159 --> 02:41:40.639
a quick search, I guess because yeah, wrestle Mania April fifth.
3406
02:41:40.879 --> 02:41:42.639
Oh yeah, just it's just still listened to this TVA.
3407
02:41:42.760 --> 02:41:44.719
So they haven't announced it yet as of As of
3408
02:41:45.559 --> 02:41:47.399
it doesn't mean they can't and won't, but I haven't
3409
02:41:47.399 --> 02:41:47.840
seen it yet.
3410
02:41:47.920 --> 02:41:51.399
Yeah, so I maybe it'll end up being on television.
3411
02:41:51.479 --> 02:41:54.639
Their next match together, I'm assuming it'll be reserved for
3412
02:41:55.520 --> 02:41:57.040
a pay per view, but I think these two have
3413
02:41:57.120 --> 02:42:00.319
a much better match in the tank, and I'm hoping
3414
02:42:00.799 --> 02:42:04.920
we'll see more from Mandy Rose. You know, I think
3415
02:42:04.959 --> 02:42:08.399
Sony obviously has has really upped her game in recent weeks,
3416
02:42:08.479 --> 02:42:12.239
but Mandy as a babyface with her that's still that
3417
02:42:12.399 --> 02:42:16.719
very strange entrance that's almost ludicrous for a babyface character.
3418
02:42:16.840 --> 02:42:19.959
And then the U you know, her her performances in
3419
02:42:20.000 --> 02:42:23.079
the ring, I think she showed some flashes of intensity,
3420
02:42:23.159 --> 02:42:24.959
but her her promos still need a bit of work.
3421
02:42:31.799 --> 02:42:35.120
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02:42:35.200 --> 02:42:39.559
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3428
02:43:06.280 --> 02:43:07.280
Sean, anything else for her?
3429
02:43:07.840 --> 02:43:10.760
I would say if so many as a heel man,
3430
02:43:10.879 --> 02:43:13.239
she's really attracted to the heel Oh my gosh. I mean,
3431
02:43:13.280 --> 02:43:15.319
she's an attractive woman anyway, but is a heel the
3432
02:43:15.360 --> 02:43:17.959
way she presents herself now in the mean character like
3433
02:43:18.559 --> 02:43:20.760
she's a very sexy woman. I will just put that
3434
02:43:20.840 --> 02:43:22.920
out there for anybody who would think what they will
3435
02:43:22.959 --> 02:43:25.360
about it, because it's it's really it's true. But the
3436
02:43:25.440 --> 02:43:27.719
other last question I had for you is do you
3437
02:43:27.879 --> 02:43:30.719
think do you think anything different? Because I still feel
3438
02:43:31.399 --> 02:43:33.200
like the same people are gonna win money in the
3439
02:43:33.239 --> 02:43:37.600
bank full Flader matches with Aj and Shane. I just
3440
02:43:37.639 --> 02:43:40.159
don't see anything changing, Like has anything changed your mind,
3441
02:43:40.239 --> 02:43:41.959
your guys' mind about who you think is gonna win
3442
02:43:41.959 --> 02:43:44.239
either one of those matches. Because as intrigued as I
3443
02:43:44.319 --> 02:43:46.159
am about the and I'm excited about the paper view,
3444
02:43:46.200 --> 02:43:47.920
I think it's gonna be really interesting going through the
3445
02:43:47.920 --> 02:43:50.319
headquarters and doing all that, that'll be fun. But I
3446
02:43:50.440 --> 02:43:52.120
still feel like the same people are gonna win it
3447
02:43:52.200 --> 02:43:55.120
has there's no I'm not more intrigued by who I
3448
02:43:55.120 --> 02:43:57.040
think is gonna win because I'm pretty sure both of
3449
02:43:57.079 --> 02:43:58.440
them are gonna win. What do you think about that?
3450
02:43:58.559 --> 02:44:00.760
And think for taking myself aways appreciate both of.
3451
02:44:00.719 --> 02:44:03.360
You, Sean just I either I just who are you
3452
02:44:03.399 --> 02:44:05.920
predicting wins? And do you have a backup choice at all?
3453
02:44:06.399 --> 02:44:08.040
For for both men's and women's.
3454
02:44:08.200 --> 02:44:10.760
I definitely think still I'm still with aj. I just
3455
02:44:10.799 --> 02:44:12.680
think he just came back like he needs a win
3456
02:44:12.760 --> 02:44:14.479
to kind of boost him up and get back in
3457
02:44:14.520 --> 02:44:16.799
the title picture. Yea, And with I still think Shane
3458
02:44:16.879 --> 02:44:18.959
is just a badass. She needs to win it, and
3459
02:44:19.200 --> 02:44:21.399
backup would be Nia just because they're building her up,
3460
02:44:21.840 --> 02:44:24.319
which I don't agree with at all, And I would
3461
02:44:24.399 --> 02:44:27.520
probably say still, I would still say alistairs my backup
3462
02:44:27.559 --> 02:44:28.360
for the men's.
3463
02:44:28.319 --> 02:44:31.600
Yeah, okay, So yeah, Jake, what do you think, Yeah,
3464
02:44:31.600 --> 02:44:34.879
I guess I can't disagree with with the predictions necessarily.
3465
02:44:34.959 --> 02:44:39.760
I I am thinking that they may be favoring Nya
3466
02:44:40.079 --> 02:44:46.120
over Shana for the for the women's briefcase, simply because
3467
02:44:46.200 --> 02:44:50.360
it fits her character better than I think it would Shana,
3468
02:44:50.600 --> 02:44:53.799
although you know, and I think they still have, you know,
3469
02:44:53.959 --> 02:44:55.959
some some stuff they want to pay off from that
3470
02:44:56.479 --> 02:44:59.319
punch to the face that that Nya gave Becky all
3471
02:44:59.360 --> 02:45:03.040
but all that time ago now. But I do think
3472
02:45:03.120 --> 02:45:05.200
aj makes the most sense for the men's match, and
3473
02:45:05.520 --> 02:45:09.239
probably Alistair Black as your dark horse, But it does
3474
02:45:09.319 --> 02:45:12.239
seem a bit predictable. I think most of the intrigue
3475
02:45:12.319 --> 02:45:14.959
that the match is really around the format, what they're
3476
02:45:15.000 --> 02:45:19.040
gonna do with WWE Headquarters, and how having both the
3477
02:45:19.200 --> 02:45:21.920
men's and the women's happening at the same time may
3478
02:45:22.000 --> 02:45:25.200
end up changing the outcome. But I do think the
3479
02:45:26.079 --> 02:45:28.319
as far as predictions go, those are pretty safe.
3480
02:45:29.079 --> 02:45:32.159
Do you have any kind of backup for both a
3481
02:45:32.239 --> 02:45:35.319
men's or for the men's match in particular, and is
3482
02:45:35.399 --> 02:45:37.920
there any chance like Otis wins Sam Roberts and I
3483
02:45:38.120 --> 02:45:41.040
on Tuesday on the Way Killer Prosing podcast or Blue
3484
02:45:41.040 --> 02:45:44.159
Logo Show kind of built the case for Otis to
3485
02:45:44.280 --> 02:45:46.799
change things up, in part going against what Sean said,
3486
02:45:47.280 --> 02:45:49.719
the idea that Aj needs money in the bank to
3487
02:45:49.840 --> 02:45:51.879
legitimize him as a title contender. There's just there are
3488
02:45:51.920 --> 02:45:54.079
not a lot of other title contenders. And if you
3489
02:45:54.159 --> 02:45:56.479
take Aj out of the mix because he's got money
3490
02:45:56.479 --> 02:45:58.000
in the bank and he holds onto it for a while,
3491
02:45:59.680 --> 02:46:02.040
then you can't just naturally move him into a feud
3492
02:46:02.120 --> 02:46:04.639
with Drew. I was gonna say Drew Galloway, Drew McIntyre,
3493
02:46:06.079 --> 02:46:08.280
and whereas Otis gives you something to kind of play
3494
02:46:08.280 --> 02:46:12.920
around with on television, there's some comedy potential, and so
3495
02:46:13.360 --> 02:46:15.479
there's that option. And then I'll throw out to you
3496
02:46:15.479 --> 02:46:16.840
and then throw or throw this out and then throw
3497
02:46:16.879 --> 02:46:19.079
back to you, Jake. You also have if Alistair Black
3498
02:46:19.159 --> 02:46:22.879
wins and Sean brought him up, he can hold out
3499
02:46:22.920 --> 02:46:27.000
of the briefcase until there's a superstar shakeup in October, presumably,
3500
02:46:27.399 --> 02:46:29.319
and he can end up with a different Mick. He
3501
02:46:29.319 --> 02:46:31.040
can end up with a different champion at the time,
3502
02:46:31.040 --> 02:46:33.079
because I assume Drew's gonna hold the title for quite
3503
02:46:33.120 --> 02:46:37.280
a while, Black probably staying babyface, probably not turning heel.
3504
02:46:37.319 --> 02:46:38.879
I wouldn't roll out of he'll turn, but if he
3505
02:46:38.920 --> 02:46:41.399
stays faced and Drew's a champ, they can just avoid
3506
02:46:41.440 --> 02:46:44.879
that and and have Black end up moving over to
3507
02:46:46.360 --> 02:46:49.360
SmackDown and maybe by then braun Strowman's a heel under
3508
02:46:49.399 --> 02:46:51.479
Bray's spell or somebody else is a heel champ and
3509
02:46:51.680 --> 02:46:53.840
it would make sense for Black. So Sam and I
3510
02:46:53.959 --> 02:46:55.600
kind of talked our way through a lot of the options,
3511
02:46:56.120 --> 02:46:58.920
and I'm a little more I'm more open than I
3512
02:46:59.239 --> 02:47:02.799
was a week go, or I guess even Monday night.
3513
02:47:02.840 --> 02:47:05.920
I guess I should say to aj being the uh
3514
02:47:06.280 --> 02:47:07.920
the ninety percent chance to win or higher.
3515
02:47:08.920 --> 02:47:12.520
Yeah, I guess you can't completely rule out the idea
3516
02:47:12.639 --> 02:47:15.520
that they'd go with somebody like Otis simply because as
3517
02:47:15.559 --> 02:47:20.200
you mentioned, there's there's a lot of television possibilities around
3518
02:47:20.319 --> 02:47:23.920
you know, comedy and you know how he may uh
3519
02:47:24.159 --> 02:47:27.959
you know, fail to cash in, and you know the
3520
02:47:28.040 --> 02:47:30.920
things that they'll play with on television around him being
3521
02:47:30.959 --> 02:47:35.719
a bumbling idiot. But I don't know, I still think,
3522
02:47:36.479 --> 02:47:40.600
you know, styles being that threat to Drew, you know,
3523
02:47:41.040 --> 02:47:44.520
is something that you could also tease on television and effectively,
3524
02:47:45.159 --> 02:47:48.319
And I think they do need somebody with star power
3525
02:47:48.479 --> 02:47:52.120
holding that briefcase when when ratings are tumbling at the
3526
02:47:52.200 --> 02:47:54.920
rate that they are, and so I I guess I'm
3527
02:47:54.959 --> 02:47:56.600
not you know, I'm with you in the sense that
3528
02:47:56.719 --> 02:47:59.280
you know there are some options and they could be interesting,
3529
02:47:59.719 --> 02:48:04.000
but I think you know, in these situations when the
3530
02:48:04.639 --> 02:48:07.879
brand is struggling, Vince tends to go with old, reliable,
3531
02:48:07.920 --> 02:48:09.520
and I think that's aj styles.
3532
02:48:10.000 --> 02:48:18.479
Yeah, all right, let's uh, let's go to our next
3533
02:48:18.559 --> 02:48:20.959
call here, uh Erico three zero five? God, state your
3534
02:48:21.000 --> 02:48:21.879
name and where you're calling from?
3535
02:48:24.360 --> 02:48:26.399
Hey, Wade, did a second get the speaker?
3536
02:48:26.920 --> 02:48:27.600
How's it going, Jake?
3537
02:48:27.600 --> 02:48:29.239
How's it going to win? Heavier from Miami? How's it going?
3538
02:48:29.280 --> 02:48:29.719
Hey, I'm here.
3539
02:48:29.799 --> 02:48:30.000
Yeah.
3540
02:48:30.040 --> 02:48:31.520
At first I was like, oh, it's not heavier because
3541
02:48:31.520 --> 02:48:32.959
you sounded different, but you were on speakers, so that's
3542
02:48:32.959 --> 02:48:35.200
why go ahead.
3543
02:48:35.280 --> 02:48:35.479
Yeah.
3544
02:48:35.840 --> 02:48:37.159
Unfortunately the screen went dark.
3545
02:48:37.079 --> 02:48:39.639
So oh took me a few seconds.
3546
02:48:39.760 --> 02:48:45.600
Yeah, the uh oh, the the whole U Core Graves
3547
02:48:45.639 --> 02:48:49.159
told us, how is gonna climb? The uh is gonna
3548
02:48:49.159 --> 02:48:51.319
get the could get the briefcase, he could use either
3549
02:48:51.360 --> 02:48:53.920
a crane or an aircraft carrier. I have no idea
3550
02:48:53.920 --> 02:48:55.799
how he is an aircraft carrier.
3551
02:48:55.520 --> 02:48:55.920
But you know.
3552
02:48:58.159 --> 02:48:58.520
In the bank.
3553
02:48:59.399 --> 02:49:06.000
Yeah yeah, nice, nice yeah yeah another another gem from
3554
02:49:06.200 --> 02:49:07.040
from Grace, but with that.
3555
02:49:09.520 --> 02:49:12.799
Yeah, the I didn't want to. Also a second on
3556
02:49:12.920 --> 02:49:16.600
the Bronze Stroman thing. I thought he did a good
3557
02:49:16.719 --> 02:49:21.959
job acting. Uh he's normally is wooden and uh uh
3558
02:49:22.239 --> 02:49:25.879
it's all or nothing with him, but he did show
3559
02:49:25.959 --> 02:49:29.760
some I liked the subtlety that he showed, the hesitation.
3560
02:49:30.319 --> 02:49:30.440
Uh.
3561
02:49:30.639 --> 02:49:33.000
I think that's what ended up killing Seth is that
3562
02:49:33.079 --> 02:49:36.559
when Seth should have been showing subtle signs of fear
3563
02:49:36.760 --> 02:49:39.920
and worry, he like went into full on what would
3564
02:49:39.920 --> 02:49:44.600
look like full on panic mode. While Stroman he could
3565
02:49:44.639 --> 02:49:48.520
have played it off as like being very oh yeah,
3566
02:49:48.559 --> 02:49:50.360
you know, very obvious about it. But I liked how
3567
02:49:50.920 --> 02:49:54.159
I liked the subtlety and the more nuanced approach that
3568
02:49:54.280 --> 02:49:55.920
he took that because it makes it, you know, and
3569
02:49:56.159 --> 02:50:00.479
then how he recovers and uh and particularly when when
3570
02:50:00.559 --> 02:50:05.040
Bray told him setting up set him up to to
3571
02:50:05.200 --> 02:50:08.319
drop his line of get these hands and.
3572
02:50:09.040 --> 02:50:10.159
He refused to do it.
3573
02:50:10.520 --> 02:50:14.360
I I really, I really like that because it showed
3574
02:50:14.399 --> 02:50:16.520
that he wasn't gon along until to be played.
3575
02:50:16.239 --> 02:50:17.440
By by Bray Wyatt.
3576
02:50:17.520 --> 02:50:19.399
So I thought I brought that.
3577
02:50:19.479 --> 02:50:21.719
Was that I like the segment what what did you
3578
02:50:21.760 --> 02:50:23.840
make of Bray at the end saying well, I tried.
3579
02:50:24.079 --> 02:50:27.879
Was it Bray feeling defeated, or was it Bray saying
3580
02:50:28.159 --> 02:50:29.479
plan B you're gonna.
3581
02:50:29.360 --> 02:50:29.879
Like even less.
3582
02:50:31.000 --> 02:50:33.000
Yeah, it's one of the I think it's one of
3583
02:50:33.079 --> 02:50:40.879
those cases where if he gives in, he'd uh, he'd
3584
02:50:40.920 --> 02:50:43.159
be fine with that, but he's more looking forward to
3585
02:50:43.879 --> 02:50:46.000
he's giving him an easy out, but in reality he
3586
02:50:46.040 --> 02:50:47.479
doesn't want him to take the easy out because he
3587
02:50:47.479 --> 02:50:49.520
wants to teach him lessons kind of. I think that's
3588
02:50:49.559 --> 02:50:52.520
what they're going going. Uh, he's going for there.
3589
02:50:54.000 --> 02:50:56.000
Yeah, yep, I can work. God, Jake, can't you want
3590
02:50:56.040 --> 02:50:56.520
anything to that?
3591
02:50:57.239 --> 02:50:57.440
Yeah.
3592
02:50:57.440 --> 02:51:00.360
I think the teasing at the end about you know,
3593
02:51:00.600 --> 02:51:02.479
we tried it the easy way and now we're going
3594
02:51:02.559 --> 02:51:04.879
to do it the hard way was more about you know,
3595
02:51:05.000 --> 02:51:06.719
you're you're going to see the other side of me,
3596
02:51:06.879 --> 02:51:08.600
and that'll be end up being the Fiend.
3597
02:51:08.799 --> 02:51:10.280
I I have a hard time.
3598
02:51:10.159 --> 02:51:15.600
Believing we're going to see a clean finish on Sunday.
3599
02:51:15.760 --> 02:51:18.000
I think we're going to see some hocus pocus and
3600
02:51:18.040 --> 02:51:19.840
the Fiend shows up and we get a d Q
3601
02:51:20.120 --> 02:51:20.479
or something.
3602
02:51:21.319 --> 02:51:21.520
Yeah.
3603
02:51:21.520 --> 02:51:25.840
I do not anticipate this being the last of Bray
3604
02:51:25.879 --> 02:51:28.319
and Braun. I think this gets stretched out. I I
3605
02:51:28.360 --> 02:51:32.520
could see Fiend and Braun at SummerSlam, or at least
3606
02:51:32.559 --> 02:51:36.239
at Extreme Rules in July, and if they if they
3607
02:51:36.239 --> 02:51:38.120
added jum Paper View, I mean it could happen there too,
3608
02:51:38.200 --> 02:51:40.319
or there could be some transitional match too that leads
3609
02:51:40.360 --> 02:51:43.120
to either Extreme Rules and or Summer Slam being at it,
3610
02:51:43.159 --> 02:51:44.559
because I don't think they need to go through this
3611
02:51:44.680 --> 02:51:46.319
quickly and they just don't have a lot of options.
3612
02:51:47.360 --> 02:51:50.920
Yeah, I think Breay can win as our wind Break
3613
02:51:50.959 --> 02:51:55.399
can lose, and then the Fiend shows up because it shoots,
3614
02:51:55.399 --> 02:51:58.680
they're kind of different characters that he could he could
3615
02:51:58.760 --> 02:52:01.479
end up losing. And then considering the fact I think
3616
02:52:01.559 --> 02:52:04.760
that the Drew the Drew match is most likely going
3617
02:52:04.840 --> 02:52:08.280
to have more of a scree finished, I think there's
3618
02:52:08.360 --> 02:52:10.879
more likely that Bray takes a clean loss as Bray
3619
02:52:10.920 --> 02:52:15.159
Wyatt and then after the match, the Fiend attacks and
3620
02:52:15.360 --> 02:52:18.559
then bron Strowman calls up the Fiend uh and then
3621
02:52:18.600 --> 02:52:21.680
gives seen the title shot. I think that that would
3622
02:52:21.719 --> 02:52:25.000
be considering the very like I said, Drew, I think
3623
02:52:25.120 --> 02:52:27.399
Drew and Seth that might end up being screwy, So
3624
02:52:27.520 --> 02:52:30.239
the so that match so that you to continue.
3625
02:52:30.479 --> 02:52:33.239
Jake, do you think it's likely there's a more more
3626
02:52:33.360 --> 02:52:36.360
likely a screw finish with Drew Seth that extends that
3627
02:52:36.479 --> 02:52:37.719
few than than Bron Bray.
3628
02:52:39.120 --> 02:52:42.360
I guess, you know, with with what they did with
3629
02:52:42.799 --> 02:52:47.399
with Wyatt and and Sena at WrestleMania and the fact
3630
02:52:47.399 --> 02:52:51.959
that they've been hinting at more cinematic experiences, I would
3631
02:52:52.000 --> 02:52:54.120
think Bray Wyatt would be a focal point for that.
3632
02:52:54.399 --> 02:52:57.959
And so, uh, you know, given that, I guess we
3633
02:52:58.040 --> 02:53:00.760
don't really know if these matches were taped and edited
3634
02:53:00.799 --> 02:53:03.680
ahead of time or not. Uh, we could see that
3635
02:53:04.040 --> 02:53:07.239
with uh, with the Wyatt and Stroman match as well,
3636
02:53:07.799 --> 02:53:10.399
but I think you're you know, the odds of a
3637
02:53:10.479 --> 02:53:13.239
clean finish happening in either match or are pretty slim
3638
02:53:13.319 --> 02:53:14.920
at this point and at least in my opinion.
3639
02:53:15.239 --> 02:53:18.600
Yeah, yep, have you anything else?
3640
02:53:19.479 --> 02:53:19.600
Uh?
3641
02:53:19.680 --> 02:53:22.200
The other thought I had was watching the uh the
3642
02:53:22.280 --> 02:53:28.719
ape Man tag match. Yeah, it's so weird when they
3643
02:53:28.799 --> 02:53:31.840
do stuff like they pair the Forgotten Sons with mis
3644
02:53:32.000 --> 02:53:35.239
and Morrison. Since if if you want to build up
3645
02:53:35.239 --> 02:53:37.879
the Forgotten Sons, are they the kind of persons people
3646
02:53:38.159 --> 02:53:40.520
to hang out with Miss and Morrison without like making.
3647
02:53:40.319 --> 02:53:42.159
A fuss or or to just do what they're told
3648
02:53:42.200 --> 02:53:45.760
by managing. Yeah, like, there's no no sense. I mean,
3649
02:53:45.879 --> 02:53:47.680
the Forgotten Sons if if you're if you're going to
3650
02:53:47.719 --> 02:53:50.440
bring them in and they're not gonna you're not going
3651
02:53:50.520 --> 02:53:53.920
to develop their characters at all as like to just
3652
02:53:54.000 --> 02:53:56.479
their compliant. Oh we have the team with two people
3653
02:53:56.520 --> 02:53:58.639
we don't like who are going to be fighting forty
3654
02:53:58.639 --> 02:54:00.840
eight hours later and we're just going to get along.
3655
02:54:00.959 --> 02:54:02.799
I mean, it just it just kind of castrates the
3656
02:54:03.000 --> 02:54:06.959
edge that there that their image might have otherwise pretty
3657
02:54:07.000 --> 02:54:09.680
much out of the gate, which is we're just employees,
3658
02:54:09.680 --> 02:54:12.639
we're superstars. We're happy to have jobs, going back to
3659
02:54:12.959 --> 02:54:15.760
you know, the awful damage done by the authority to
3660
02:54:15.879 --> 02:54:19.879
just emasculate their roster not that many years ago. And yeah,
3661
02:54:19.920 --> 02:54:22.440
I mean the Forgotten Sons just don't have that sort
3662
02:54:22.479 --> 02:54:25.479
of unpredictable outlaw edge. And if there was ever a
3663
02:54:25.639 --> 02:54:28.040
gimmick that should have that, you know, I don't expect
3664
02:54:28.040 --> 02:54:30.840
that from Miss and Morrison. They're corporate suck ups. But
3665
02:54:31.159 --> 02:54:32.520
and I don't want to make too much out of this,
3666
02:54:32.639 --> 02:54:34.159
but I think you bring up a good point, Javier,
3667
02:54:34.319 --> 02:54:37.680
that you know, this does seem to take away something.
3668
02:54:38.079 --> 02:54:39.879
It was an opportunity for them to just walk out
3669
02:54:39.920 --> 02:54:43.120
of miss and Morrison too, even if they participate in
3670
02:54:43.159 --> 02:54:45.319
the match just very early on go we don't want
3671
02:54:45.360 --> 02:54:46.680
any part of this. We'll see you on Sunday. We
3672
02:54:46.719 --> 02:54:48.760
want the take titles. We're not here to to to
3673
02:54:48.920 --> 02:54:52.719
dance for the corporate bosses to fill TV time. Jake,
3674
02:54:52.760 --> 02:54:54.719
your thoughts, Yeah, I.
3675
02:54:55.079 --> 02:54:57.680
Don't think they've really done anything to define who the
3676
02:54:57.760 --> 02:55:01.200
Forgotten Sons are on SmackDown. I mean it was sort
3677
02:55:01.280 --> 02:55:05.520
of ill defined in in n XT, but yeah, they
3678
02:55:05.879 --> 02:55:09.760
definitely needed to take some stands and uh and and
3679
02:55:09.920 --> 02:55:13.079
make it clear what their principles are. And then you know,
3680
02:55:13.760 --> 02:55:16.520
once you've laid that groundwork, you can have them, you know,
3681
02:55:17.000 --> 02:55:19.639
take those types of actions like abandoning their teammates and
3682
02:55:19.959 --> 02:55:22.559
and doing whatever it took to uh, you know, to
3683
02:55:22.840 --> 02:55:25.639
to reach their goal of of uh you of being
3684
02:55:25.680 --> 02:55:29.159
Smacked Down Tag Champions. But I honestly, I I don't
3685
02:55:29.200 --> 02:55:31.680
think they've they've done even the minimum amount of work
3686
02:55:31.719 --> 02:55:34.000
to make anybody care about the Forgotten Sons.
3687
02:55:34.040 --> 02:55:36.520
I don't even know what they're what they're about.
3688
02:55:36.639 --> 02:55:41.000
I don't know why, uh, winning the SmackDown Tag Championships
3689
02:55:41.040 --> 02:55:47.399
will somehow validate their existence as disaffected you know, military veterans.
3690
02:55:47.440 --> 02:55:51.520
It's like it's a very strange tightrope walk they're trying
3691
02:55:51.559 --> 02:55:53.360
to do with these characters. And I just I don't
3692
02:55:53.360 --> 02:55:54.639
think it makes a lot of sense at all, to
3693
02:55:54.719 --> 02:55:57.120
be honest with you, all right, how you are back
3694
02:55:57.159 --> 02:55:57.280
to you.
3695
02:55:58.440 --> 02:56:00.319
And the and the other thing A little bit til
3696
02:56:00.319 --> 02:56:04.079
thing I noticed that I'm happy for is Ortis didn't
3697
02:56:04.159 --> 02:56:08.559
freak out when Mandy kiss her kiss him, you know,
3698
02:56:08.840 --> 02:56:10.920
he just be kind of more took in the stride
3699
02:56:10.920 --> 02:56:13.479
instead of like getting that that oh I can't believe
3700
02:56:13.520 --> 02:56:16.559
that happened. Look, yeah, yeah, because it's been weeks now,
3701
02:56:17.559 --> 02:56:19.920
he's yeah, so I was pleased to that.
3702
02:56:20.920 --> 02:56:23.399
Yeah, yeah, he seemed to enjoy it, but maybe has
3703
02:56:23.440 --> 02:56:26.159
a little little more self confidence. He's a little less reacting,
3704
02:56:26.200 --> 02:56:29.079
a little less insecure, as if this is just some
3705
02:56:29.319 --> 02:56:31.799
incredible novelty that he can't believe is happening to him.
3706
02:56:31.840 --> 02:56:34.559
And he's like, ah, yeah, I like that, but I'm
3707
02:56:34.600 --> 02:56:37.680
not just gonna act totally totally surprised. So no, it's
3708
02:56:37.719 --> 02:56:40.159
good observation, and I hope that's intentional, because I'd like
3709
02:56:40.200 --> 02:56:41.920
to see his character grow a little bit, not not
3710
02:56:42.000 --> 02:56:44.719
appreciate the attention Mandy gives him, but not act like,
3711
02:56:44.879 --> 02:56:46.760
you know, he's just so beneath her he can't believe it.
3712
02:56:47.840 --> 02:56:49.319
Uh cool, Have you here anything else?
3713
02:56:50.399 --> 02:56:50.840
No, that's it.
3714
02:56:51.319 --> 02:56:53.040
If you want to check out the who I've got
3715
02:56:53.159 --> 02:56:55.719
for the money in the bank, you can check out
3716
02:56:55.760 --> 02:56:58.280
the primer that you should have in a little bit.
3717
02:56:58.719 --> 02:57:01.280
Oh good, good yep, So I expect I expect you
3718
02:57:01.360 --> 02:57:03.680
to talk me out of all the things that all
3719
02:57:03.719 --> 02:57:06.079
the predictions everyone's making and make us believe something else
3720
02:57:06.120 --> 02:57:08.840
could completely different can happen on Sunday? Is that gonna happen?
3721
02:57:11.040 --> 02:57:14.399
Not not for the men's and uh and Jake had
3722
02:57:14.559 --> 02:57:17.719
my my pick for the women's. I think it's gonna
3723
02:57:17.719 --> 02:57:21.680
be Jack's. Oh okay, So mainly because yeah, because I
3724
02:57:22.000 --> 02:57:24.920
think the it would make sense like he brought up
3725
02:57:25.040 --> 02:57:29.040
that playing on the on the history of uh of
3726
02:57:29.200 --> 02:57:32.079
the punch and playing up the fact that everybody says
3727
02:57:32.120 --> 02:57:36.639
that Nia's unsafe, and in the meantime, UH, you have
3728
02:57:37.159 --> 02:57:40.319
Basler seething since you know her losing a multi woman
3729
02:57:40.440 --> 02:57:43.799
match isn't going to uh, directly hurt her. She could
3730
02:57:43.799 --> 02:57:45.879
you know see that. You know, here's another chance to
3731
02:57:45.920 --> 02:57:48.319
slip through her fingers through no fault of her own.
3732
02:57:49.120 --> 02:57:49.239
Uh.
3733
02:57:49.719 --> 02:57:51.440
And I think it would be a good moment to
3734
02:57:51.680 --> 02:57:55.520
turn Oscar babyface and then have a baby face Oscar
3735
02:57:55.600 --> 02:57:59.440
feuding with a with a Basler, uh to you know,
3736
02:58:00.079 --> 02:58:02.280
the other side, to build a Baylor for for an
3737
02:58:02.280 --> 02:58:03.239
eventual rematch with.
3738
02:58:04.799 --> 02:58:05.479
With Becky.
3739
02:58:05.600 --> 02:58:06.040
That's that.
3740
02:58:06.200 --> 02:58:06.879
That That was that.
3741
02:58:07.040 --> 02:58:08.280
That was my thought behind that one.
3742
02:58:08.360 --> 02:58:10.879
Cool well read, well, well, look forward to reading your
3743
02:58:10.879 --> 02:58:13.639
column on the Whole Show this weekend at PW Torch
3744
02:58:13.680 --> 02:58:17.719
dot com. Always go here from you, Javier, Thanks, can
3745
02:58:17.799 --> 02:58:19.600
I guess? Yeah? Yeah, So I take your thoughts on
3746
02:58:19.760 --> 02:58:21.920
on Javier and even the pitch or the I don't
3747
02:58:21.920 --> 02:58:23.680
know if it's a pitch, but the idea of Oscar
3748
02:58:23.719 --> 02:58:26.920
turning baby face. Has she been on a journey to
3749
02:58:27.319 --> 02:58:28.440
that landing place lately?
3750
02:58:30.200 --> 02:58:31.760
I mean, just going back to what we talked about
3751
02:58:31.760 --> 02:58:35.600
earlier with with the subtitles, like I think, if you,
3752
02:58:36.479 --> 02:58:39.920
if you want to do a believable character change for someone,
3753
02:58:40.520 --> 02:58:43.719
you at least have to make their motivation clear and
3754
02:58:44.000 --> 02:58:46.879
and maybe they can they can do that simply with her,
3755
02:58:47.520 --> 02:58:51.040
you know, her physical acting that she does out there
3756
02:58:51.200 --> 02:58:54.600
in you know, in front of the not audience, but
3757
02:58:54.879 --> 02:58:58.040
the I think it would be helpful if they if
3758
02:58:58.079 --> 02:59:01.840
they would establish some some crowd to work with some promos.
3759
02:59:01.879 --> 02:59:03.840
But I guess we'll see where it goes. I'm open
3760
02:59:03.879 --> 02:59:06.959
to the idea simply because I think Oscar has remained
3761
02:59:07.479 --> 02:59:11.760
one of their standout performers despite being underutilized in a
3762
02:59:11.840 --> 02:59:14.680
lot of ways, and so I think it's an interesting
3763
02:59:14.799 --> 02:59:16.799
path because I don't think she's going to be put
3764
02:59:16.840 --> 02:59:20.280
into a position to be the champion anytime soon, but
3765
02:59:20.920 --> 02:59:25.000
as sort of a secondary gatekeeper back to Becky Lynch,
3766
02:59:25.079 --> 02:59:26.280
that's sort of an interesting idea.
3767
02:59:26.799 --> 02:59:35.120
Yeah, yep. You don't have to wait for the way
3768
02:59:35.200 --> 02:59:37.040
Keller Pro Wrestling post show to find out what I
3769
02:59:37.159 --> 02:59:39.440
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3770
02:59:39.479 --> 02:59:42.360
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3771
02:59:42.440 --> 02:59:46.399
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3772
02:59:46.719 --> 02:59:48.760
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3773
02:59:48.840 --> 02:59:52.000
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3774
02:59:52.120 --> 02:59:55.799
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3775
02:59:55.879 --> 02:59:57.760
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3776
02:59:57.920 --> 03:00:02.159
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3777
03:00:02.440 --> 03:00:05.680
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3778
03:00:05.719 --> 03:00:08.319
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3779
03:00:08.399 --> 03:00:10.440
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03:00:10.479 --> 03:00:14.520
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03:00:14.639 --> 03:00:17.399
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3782
03:00:17.479 --> 03:00:20.600
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3783
03:00:34.200 --> 03:00:36.920
All right, well go to another call here four four three,
3784
03:00:37.040 --> 03:00:38.639
you are up. Go ahead, state your name and where
3785
03:00:38.680 --> 03:00:39.159
you're calling from.
3786
03:00:39.280 --> 03:00:41.000
Hey, this is a Kevin from Baltimore.
3787
03:00:41.200 --> 03:00:42.879
Hey, Kevin, good here from you. What do you think
3788
03:00:42.920 --> 03:00:43.360
it's back now?
3789
03:00:43.399 --> 03:00:43.639
Tonight?
3790
03:00:45.719 --> 03:00:49.719
It was okay, I mean it was just their bones
3791
03:00:49.840 --> 03:00:53.120
to me. I mean actually was kind of applotting. You
3792
03:00:53.200 --> 03:00:55.079
knew what you were going to get on into the show.
3793
03:00:55.200 --> 03:00:57.280
But it's just like they just threw all of the
3794
03:00:57.879 --> 03:01:01.840
batons and Sundays matches and one big match for each
3795
03:01:02.479 --> 03:01:06.639
match individually and said and like wipe their hands like darn.
3796
03:01:07.200 --> 03:01:10.319
But I mean, if they want to promote it that way,
3797
03:01:10.399 --> 03:01:13.000
I'm fine with it. But my big thing I was
3798
03:01:13.239 --> 03:01:16.159
kind of interested in today that kind of caught my
3799
03:01:16.280 --> 03:01:22.959
eye was watching the SmackDown tag match, the eight Man's
3800
03:01:23.040 --> 03:01:28.440
tag and like again, LEACHR House Party and the chemistry
3801
03:01:28.479 --> 03:01:31.959
that they had with John Morrison in the ring is
3802
03:01:32.120 --> 03:01:34.479
really good, you know, and I think they need to
3803
03:01:35.120 --> 03:01:37.239
see how they see find a way if they can
3804
03:01:37.319 --> 03:01:40.120
get that more of that kind of stuff on TV
3805
03:01:40.639 --> 03:01:43.520
for people to watch on a consistent basis. And even
3806
03:01:43.559 --> 03:01:46.120
though the ending was kind of poor with the NIZ
3807
03:01:46.440 --> 03:01:49.200
didn't say, dot that's what you want the guy with
3808
03:01:49.319 --> 03:01:51.760
the least athletic to get to heat by all the
3809
03:01:51.760 --> 03:01:54.479
athletic guys doing all the crazy moves. But I mean,
3810
03:01:55.600 --> 03:01:57.799
I just think that they need to find a way
3811
03:01:57.840 --> 03:02:00.719
to spot like those guys. There's a lot apparent there.
3812
03:02:00.920 --> 03:02:02.200
You know, if you're not going to give us some
3813
03:02:02.239 --> 03:02:04.840
cellent storyline, give us something that you're going to be
3814
03:02:04.959 --> 03:02:07.799
pleasing to the high. Give them something to watch, is
3815
03:02:08.159 --> 03:02:10.920
what I'm saying. Basically, you know, giving them alternatives. If
3816
03:02:10.920 --> 03:02:14.120
they can't come up with it storyline, at least give us,
3817
03:02:14.360 --> 03:02:16.239
you know, a one wrestling in the ring.
3818
03:02:16.680 --> 03:02:19.639
I thought lu I thought. I thought Lucha House Party
3819
03:02:19.840 --> 03:02:23.520
were under the circumstances, really performed well and stood out
3820
03:02:23.559 --> 03:02:26.520
in this match. I thought, you know, I mean, Grand
3821
03:02:26.600 --> 03:02:29.760
me Elite doing the rope acrobatics is always a pleasure
3822
03:02:29.760 --> 03:02:32.399
to watch. Lyndsay played his part well, and Morrison's a
3823
03:02:32.399 --> 03:02:35.680
good opponent for them. Jake, I thought that stood out
3824
03:02:35.719 --> 03:02:37.600
as you know, the match to watch. You know, they're
3825
03:02:37.680 --> 03:02:39.959
unfortunately two commercial breaks in a twelve minute match, so
3826
03:02:40.360 --> 03:02:42.120
about half of it aired or a little bit under,
3827
03:02:42.200 --> 03:02:43.479
but what we saw was good.
3828
03:02:44.520 --> 03:02:44.719
Yeah.
3829
03:02:44.760 --> 03:02:48.440
I think the tag team division in particular continues to
3830
03:02:49.200 --> 03:02:52.360
be really successful in the ring. I mean, even though
3831
03:02:52.399 --> 03:02:55.600
I haven't really been impressed with the storytelling. I mean
3832
03:02:55.639 --> 03:02:58.559
even even last week, New Day and the Forgotten Sons
3833
03:02:58.600 --> 03:03:01.680
had a pretty solid match, and this week was was
3834
03:03:01.760 --> 03:03:03.879
no different. And there was a couple of times on
3835
03:03:03.959 --> 03:03:07.079
the show where things stood out in a pretty positive way,
3836
03:03:07.360 --> 03:03:11.040
not only with with the Luja house party and John Morrison,
3837
03:03:11.120 --> 03:03:14.000
but even in the in the main event when when
3838
03:03:14.079 --> 03:03:16.639
Goolac and Czarro were out there, they really stood out
3839
03:03:17.040 --> 03:03:19.639
in a positive way too, when they were working together.
3840
03:03:19.719 --> 03:03:22.079
And so that you can tell that there's, uh, you know,
3841
03:03:22.200 --> 03:03:24.120
there's a lot of talent that you know, it's just
3842
03:03:24.239 --> 03:03:26.639
kind of bubbling underneath the surface that's kind of hampered
3843
03:03:26.719 --> 03:03:30.200
by some of the storytelling that goes on in WWE,
3844
03:03:30.360 --> 03:03:33.600
but certainly I wouldn't mind seeing Luca House Party get
3845
03:03:33.959 --> 03:03:37.680
a bit more to do. When it comes to ring work,
3846
03:03:37.840 --> 03:03:39.879
it seems like they've been languishing for a long time,
3847
03:03:39.959 --> 03:03:43.639
and unfortunately that means that nobody really takes them seriously
3848
03:03:43.719 --> 03:03:46.040
when when they should be, you know, in a in
3849
03:03:46.120 --> 03:03:48.319
a much more prominent position because of the ring work,
3850
03:03:48.879 --> 03:03:49.719
with what they've how.
3851
03:03:49.639 --> 03:03:51.799
They've been portrayed on TV for years. It's tough to
3852
03:03:53.600 --> 03:03:56.719
I mean, I get what Kevin you're saying about, you know,
3853
03:03:56.799 --> 03:03:59.040
should they should they be losing them is, but I
3854
03:03:59.120 --> 03:04:02.440
think you have to protect miss and Morrison, who again
3855
03:04:02.559 --> 03:04:05.040
given the reality of how WWE produces TV, and we
3856
03:04:05.079 --> 03:04:07.399
can argue to shake it up and blow it up
3857
03:04:07.440 --> 03:04:10.159
and start fresh and rebuild, rebuild the link, rebuild a
3858
03:04:10.159 --> 03:04:12.360
different booking structure from the Lincoln logs if we tear
3859
03:04:12.360 --> 03:04:14.799
it all down with the pieces they have, but they're not,
3860
03:04:15.440 --> 03:04:17.719
you know, if they're not going to do that, Miss
3861
03:04:17.760 --> 03:04:20.440
and Morrison are more valuable and should be protected to
3862
03:04:20.520 --> 03:04:24.040
some degree compared to Lindsay Dorado because of the damage
3863
03:04:24.040 --> 03:04:25.680
that's been done. If Luchause Party were brand new, and
3864
03:04:25.799 --> 03:04:28.000
w you knew how to really get behind a new
3865
03:04:28.079 --> 03:04:32.760
act that wasn't the size of Baron Corbin or Bronz Strowman,
3866
03:04:32.879 --> 03:04:36.120
Drew McIntyre and didn't have that kind of look. That'd
3867
03:04:36.159 --> 03:04:39.239
be one thing, but they don't. So I understand Lindsay
3868
03:04:39.319 --> 03:04:42.079
taking the fall here, Jake, But if the story they
3869
03:04:42.120 --> 03:04:44.000
want to tell is, you know, creating some sense of
3870
03:04:44.040 --> 03:04:46.000
momentum with Luja House Party, it's time to look at
3871
03:04:46.040 --> 03:04:50.280
them differently. They matured into contenders this this did kind
3872
03:04:50.319 --> 03:04:51.000
of snuff that out.
3873
03:04:52.079 --> 03:04:55.600
Yeah, Unfortunately, that's just been the case with U with
3874
03:04:55.719 --> 03:04:58.079
lu Jaus Party, it's like one step forward and two
3875
03:04:58.120 --> 03:05:00.959
steps back. A lot of the time are taken seriously
3876
03:05:01.040 --> 03:05:02.920
on television for a couple of weeks and then they're
3877
03:05:02.959 --> 03:05:05.639
kind of cast aside, and then you know, you go
3878
03:05:05.760 --> 03:05:09.120
through that wash and rinse and dry cycle a couple
3879
03:05:09.159 --> 03:05:11.600
of times and you have a really cold act. And unfortunately,
3880
03:05:11.959 --> 03:05:14.319
that's kind of where Lujah House Party and a lot
3881
03:05:14.360 --> 03:05:16.760
of the undercard tag teams find themselves right now. It's
3882
03:05:17.000 --> 03:05:19.959
just not a division where anybody outside of the main
3883
03:05:20.040 --> 03:05:21.680
program is taken seriously at all.
3884
03:05:22.719 --> 03:05:26.159
Kevin anything else, any follow up additional topic, Yeah, one.
3885
03:05:26.239 --> 03:05:29.680
More topic that I wanted to dive into, and it's
3886
03:05:29.719 --> 03:05:33.920
just something that kind of all of my mind is
3887
03:05:34.239 --> 03:05:37.079
like now, with the ratings falling the way they are
3888
03:05:37.639 --> 03:05:42.600
OO shows wrestling in general, this would be the perfect time,
3889
03:05:42.719 --> 03:05:46.440
like you mentioned, to try things. Especially with the no
3890
03:05:46.600 --> 03:05:49.879
crowd thing, it's hard to This would be the opportunity
3891
03:05:49.959 --> 03:05:52.920
to see what you know picks up social media wise,
3892
03:05:53.079 --> 03:05:54.920
I guess would be the metric that you used to
3893
03:05:54.959 --> 03:05:58.319
see how people are and engaging with the changes that
3894
03:05:58.399 --> 03:06:00.239
are being made. But this will be the with the
3895
03:06:00.319 --> 03:06:02.520
way or the time that I would take the risk.
3896
03:06:02.719 --> 03:06:04.319
You know you're I mean, what do you have to
3897
03:06:04.399 --> 03:06:07.200
lose at this point? Why not take a chance on
3898
03:06:07.440 --> 03:06:11.000
a guy or a format or an idea. And I
3899
03:06:11.079 --> 03:06:14.120
think that's what's turning people off the most about wrestling
3900
03:06:14.239 --> 03:06:16.760
currently is that they are not taking these chances, and
3901
03:06:16.840 --> 03:06:18.840
now they just keep showing and they're giving you a
3902
03:06:18.920 --> 03:06:20.920
third of what you were getting, which you already suck.
3903
03:06:21.360 --> 03:06:23.559
So it was like you're getting even worse than what
3904
03:06:23.639 --> 03:06:25.959
you were getting before and now you don't even get
3905
03:06:26.000 --> 03:06:28.360
ask the people that you were watching with no crowd.
3906
03:06:28.760 --> 03:06:30.639
So and that's that's the way people look at it,
3907
03:06:30.760 --> 03:06:32.479
and it's going to be hard to shake that without
3908
03:06:32.840 --> 03:06:35.600
shaking the format to its core of what you're presenting.
3909
03:06:36.280 --> 03:06:38.799
And I know that sounds scary than some, But what's
3910
03:06:39.040 --> 03:06:41.760
more scary as not being on TV any year because
3911
03:06:41.840 --> 03:06:45.840
your your ratings are below with anyone expected, you know,
3912
03:06:46.559 --> 03:06:48.920
and you can't people on pres in front of the
3913
03:06:48.959 --> 03:06:51.200
TV because more people are at home than they ever
3914
03:06:51.239 --> 03:06:52.559
were at any time in life.
3915
03:06:53.600 --> 03:06:54.440
The no.
3916
03:06:54.559 --> 03:06:57.440
Absolutely I thought w w E would rise to the
3917
03:06:57.520 --> 03:07:08.360
occasion and try some things. Jake would ratings be WO
3918
03:07:08.479 --> 03:07:12.360
viewer should be higher if viewers didn't know exactly what
3919
03:07:12.479 --> 03:07:15.280
they were going to get, which is this exact same
3920
03:07:15.360 --> 03:07:20.600
SmackDown format but without fans, and instead taken opportunity. I've
3921
03:07:20.639 --> 03:07:23.319
talked about it, I've written about it. I've given specific
3922
03:07:23.440 --> 03:07:26.120
ideas as part of a brainstorm, not presented as this
3923
03:07:26.239 --> 03:07:28.040
is a way should be or the only thing, but
3924
03:07:28.520 --> 03:07:31.360
there's a whole array. In a ten to twenty minute discussion,
3925
03:07:31.399 --> 03:07:33.200
you can come up with all kinds of things that
3926
03:07:33.280 --> 03:07:36.159
if WWE, with time on their hands and resources not
3927
03:07:36.239 --> 03:07:40.159
having to travel from arena to arena to just every week,
3928
03:07:40.200 --> 03:07:44.520
give us something different. Aw gets has been I don't
3929
03:07:44.520 --> 03:07:46.840
want to exaggerate, but like a thousand dimes more creative
3930
03:07:47.479 --> 03:07:50.920
than WWE has in terms of thinking, I'll use a cliche,
3931
03:07:51.040 --> 03:07:54.840
thinking outside the box, thinking outside their usual structure and format,
3932
03:07:55.559 --> 03:07:59.040
and what they're doing without fans is leading to a
3933
03:07:59.120 --> 03:08:01.559
decline in viewers and once you get past money in
3934
03:08:01.600 --> 03:08:03.440
the bank. I don't know the status of having a
3935
03:08:03.559 --> 03:08:06.760
June pay per view, but I hope they take the
3936
03:08:06.799 --> 03:08:11.760
opportunity from mid May through mid July to just try
3937
03:08:11.840 --> 03:08:14.840
different things. I think people would be very forgiving if
3938
03:08:15.120 --> 03:08:18.319
WWE broke from the format and tried some things and
3939
03:08:18.479 --> 03:08:21.879
people didn't think it worked like I think people would
3940
03:08:21.920 --> 03:08:26.959
rather tune in and see them being creative and acknowledging
3941
03:08:27.079 --> 03:08:30.120
the awkwardness of the presentation rather than just sort of
3942
03:08:30.239 --> 03:08:33.319
plowing ahead with the idea being the networks know we're
3943
03:08:33.360 --> 03:08:35.959
doing what we can under the circumstances, and it's like
3944
03:08:36.159 --> 03:08:39.719
they're really not, Jake, are you surprised they haven't done
3945
03:08:39.760 --> 03:08:41.440
more creatively to shake things up?
3946
03:08:42.120 --> 03:08:42.319
Yeah?
3947
03:08:42.639 --> 03:08:45.159
You know, given what they did with the Boneyard match
3948
03:08:46.840 --> 03:08:50.879
and the Funhouse match at WrestleMania, I thought we were
3949
03:08:50.959 --> 03:08:54.200
in for some more experimental stuff coming out of that show.
3950
03:08:54.520 --> 03:08:58.600
And maybe you wouldn't see that every week, but I
3951
03:08:58.680 --> 03:09:01.319
thought they would be building to some of those things
3952
03:09:01.559 --> 03:09:06.200
on a semi regular basis, you know, getting away from
3953
03:09:06.239 --> 03:09:09.559
the performance center during some of these episodes to do
3954
03:09:10.239 --> 03:09:14.040
interviews or you know, maybe even just doing some of
3955
03:09:14.200 --> 03:09:17.719
what aw has done successfully and and and create some
3956
03:09:18.239 --> 03:09:21.719
video packages that allow your talent to be more expressive
3957
03:09:21.799 --> 03:09:25.000
than what they ordinarily get to do on the on
3958
03:09:25.079 --> 03:09:27.520
the week to week television show that would have been
3959
03:09:27.760 --> 03:09:31.120
then better than this. I absolutely agree in the sense
3960
03:09:31.159 --> 03:09:33.680
that I think fans would be more forgiving if they
3961
03:09:33.760 --> 03:09:37.520
did some experimental stuff and swung and missed versus just
3962
03:09:37.879 --> 03:09:42.319
staying with the safety of their normal format. Except it's
3963
03:09:42.479 --> 03:09:45.559
just this huge bummer of a show because you can't
3964
03:09:45.760 --> 03:09:48.319
escape the idea that, oh, I'm watching this and it's
3965
03:09:48.360 --> 03:09:52.319
during this pandemic and and obviously you know things are
3966
03:09:52.360 --> 03:09:55.280
going to be immeasurably worse as a result of that.
3967
03:09:55.520 --> 03:09:59.079
I think it's it's interesting when you listen to you
3968
03:09:59.159 --> 03:10:03.120
know what the that companies like Hulu and Netflix and
3969
03:10:03.440 --> 03:10:07.520
Disney are talking about with their streaming services. People are
3970
03:10:07.600 --> 03:10:12.760
going back and watching like nostalgic television, Like people are
3971
03:10:12.799 --> 03:10:15.680
looking for escapism at this point, and I don't think
3972
03:10:15.840 --> 03:10:17.639
WWE is delivering that whatsoever.
3973
03:10:18.280 --> 03:10:21.079
No, well, they are, but not on Monday and Friday nights.
3974
03:10:21.360 --> 03:10:25.680
I mean, we have WrestleMania three and its original format
3975
03:10:25.760 --> 03:10:28.280
Tuesday on FS one. We've got Best of Ladder Matches
3976
03:10:28.360 --> 03:10:32.440
on Fox tomorrow. How much of the decline and viewership
3977
03:10:33.079 --> 03:10:36.280
is in part this kind of I don't want to
3978
03:10:36.280 --> 03:10:39.360
call it ironic oversaturation, but sort of this unintended side
3979
03:10:39.360 --> 03:10:42.440
effect of WWE now being more in demand because the
3980
03:10:42.479 --> 03:10:45.319
sports networks Fox has nothing to airr ESPN has nothing
3981
03:10:45.360 --> 03:10:48.040
to air, So there's all this other good stuff from
3982
03:10:48.079 --> 03:10:51.799
the past, and it's people are getting their fill of
3983
03:10:52.159 --> 03:10:56.520
their They're getting their WWE fix from something entirely different
3984
03:10:56.959 --> 03:11:01.280
than what is inferior current content. Obviously, there's something of
3985
03:11:01.440 --> 03:11:05.000
real value in watching something new that is developing, that's
3986
03:11:05.120 --> 03:11:08.319
live with contemporary wrestlers and you don't know what's going
3987
03:11:08.399 --> 03:11:10.920
to happen. There's an inherent value to that in general.
3988
03:11:11.399 --> 03:11:14.000
But when you compare it to WrestleMania three or the
3989
03:11:14.040 --> 03:11:18.079
Best Ladder Matches, you start to peel some people away
3990
03:11:18.120 --> 03:11:20.600
who are like, maybe I'll come back to the product
3991
03:11:20.600 --> 03:11:22.520
when there's a crowd and all the stars are there
3992
03:11:23.079 --> 03:11:26.000
and it's not just kind of a disconcerting feeling watching it.
3993
03:11:26.520 --> 03:11:29.040
But if I didn't have anywhere else to go to
3994
03:11:29.079 --> 03:11:30.360
get my fixed, I guess I'd put up with that.
3995
03:11:30.600 --> 03:11:33.200
But I'm getting my fix on Saturday night and Tuesday
3996
03:11:33.280 --> 03:11:35.959
night and in the network archives. I'd be curious what
3997
03:11:36.040 --> 03:11:39.719
the metrics are of WWE's network viewership and if the
3998
03:11:40.440 --> 03:11:47.159
library use is up and current content is down. I
3999
03:11:47.239 --> 03:11:48.879
think that all plays into it too. They might actually
4000
03:11:48.879 --> 03:11:51.959
be cannibalizing themselves by giving into these sports networks that
4001
03:11:52.079 --> 03:11:52.600
need content.
4002
03:11:53.639 --> 03:11:55.280
Maybe so, but we know they're not going to turn
4003
03:11:55.319 --> 03:11:57.559
down a payday, so that's going to be what it is.
4004
03:11:58.280 --> 03:12:02.159
I think they can you know, they're if they're getting,
4005
03:12:02.639 --> 03:12:06.000
you know, more attention from sports networks for classic content,
4006
03:12:06.520 --> 03:12:08.680
then you know, I think that's even more of a
4007
03:12:08.760 --> 03:12:11.079
reason to try to get experimental with the stuff that's
4008
03:12:11.120 --> 03:12:13.799
happening on a week to week basis, because I mean,
4009
03:12:13.879 --> 03:12:17.239
I don't know how much further the audience can can
4010
03:12:17.360 --> 03:12:20.360
peel away, but I would think the audience that's still
4011
03:12:20.399 --> 03:12:22.479
there is going to be there, are you know, even
4012
03:12:22.520 --> 03:12:25.440
if you try some some weird stuff that maybe people
4013
03:12:25.479 --> 03:12:27.399
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and AW, but what's happening in the armories and gymnasiums
4022
03:12:53.159 --> 03:12:55.120
local wrestling hotspots around the country.
4023
03:12:55.520 --> 03:12:57.399
We can't wait to help you find the true hidden
4024
03:12:57.440 --> 03:12:58.520
gyms of the wrestling world.
4025
03:12:58.680 --> 03:13:01.639
Plus you can hear Chris complain about bad referees.
4026
03:13:01.559 --> 03:13:03.440
And justin bemoaning dogpile fins.
4027
03:13:03.600 --> 03:13:06.040
Don't forget my feutal search to see a blue Thunderbomb
4028
03:13:06.079 --> 03:13:06.600
win a match.
4029
03:13:07.040 --> 03:13:08.120
How can I like?
4030
03:13:08.239 --> 03:13:10.840
The name says we cover the hottest independent promotions from
4031
03:13:10.840 --> 03:13:14.120
around the country, so it as Prestige Action, West Coast,
4032
03:13:14.159 --> 03:13:16.200
Pro Revolver and Beyond Wrestling.
4033
03:13:16.520 --> 03:13:18.959
Actually, Chris, I think we stick pretty much too wrestling.
4034
03:13:19.120 --> 03:13:21.399
No, I mean Beyond Wrestling out of Worcester. Oh right,
4035
03:13:21.680 --> 03:13:23.840
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4036
03:13:23.879 --> 03:13:27.079
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03:13:27.120 --> 03:13:30.200
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03:13:30.600 --> 03:13:33.559
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03:13:33.959 --> 03:13:37.360
Find full details on the PW Torchdailycast lineup at PW
4040
03:13:37.520 --> 03:13:38.840
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4041
03:13:50.520 --> 03:13:51.680
Kevin any closing.
4042
03:13:51.559 --> 03:13:52.079
Orch Meal.
4043
03:13:54.280 --> 03:13:58.440
The Money in the Bank show this Sunday. I mean,
4044
03:13:59.079 --> 03:14:04.159
are we supposed to believe that the old show will
4045
03:14:04.200 --> 03:14:06.200
be from I guess that's where we while we're tuning in,
4046
03:14:06.319 --> 03:14:08.239
But we're supposed to believe the whole show is going
4047
03:14:08.280 --> 03:14:10.920
to be filmed on that roof or that the only
4048
03:14:11.079 --> 03:14:12.879
match that's going to because they said it's going to
4049
03:14:12.920 --> 03:14:15.959
be from what I remember a ring on the roof
4050
03:14:16.239 --> 03:14:18.799
as well as a ladder that he's gonna have to
4051
03:14:18.840 --> 03:14:22.440
climb in, which is going to hold the brief case.
4052
03:14:22.520 --> 03:14:24.799
So I'm like, I wonder if they're going to film
4053
03:14:24.840 --> 03:14:27.600
matches the veil or at the PC, or I wonder
4054
03:14:27.639 --> 03:14:30.000
how that's gonna work. I mean, do you guys have
4055
03:14:30.079 --> 03:14:30.520
any clue?
4056
03:14:31.319 --> 03:14:34.559
My assumption, Jake has been everything's at the PC in
4057
03:14:34.639 --> 03:14:37.319
the format we see on Ron's backdown and what we
4058
03:14:37.399 --> 03:14:40.040
sawt WrestleMania, except for the money in the Bank match,
4059
03:14:40.040 --> 03:14:43.159
which will take a big chunk of time on the show.
4060
03:14:43.399 --> 03:14:45.959
But I would be against them wearing out the novelty
4061
03:14:46.000 --> 03:14:47.479
of being at the headquarters by having the whole show
4062
03:14:47.520 --> 03:14:47.920
on the roof.
4063
03:14:48.719 --> 03:14:48.920
Yeah.
4064
03:14:48.959 --> 03:14:50.159
I'm assuming that this is.
4065
03:14:51.920 --> 03:14:54.319
And I could be completely off, but I think this
4066
03:14:54.479 --> 03:14:57.200
match has been in the can for a while now,
4067
03:14:57.799 --> 03:15:00.680
and it's going to be cut up in air throughout
4068
03:15:00.760 --> 03:15:04.040
the show. So it may start in the lobby. We'll
4069
03:15:04.079 --> 03:15:08.159
get five plus minutes, and then they'll go back to
4070
03:15:08.200 --> 03:15:10.879
the performance center for another match, and then it'll be
4071
03:15:10.959 --> 03:15:12.959
picked up later on in the show as they're fighting
4072
03:15:13.079 --> 03:15:17.959
through the cafeteria, and then maybe after another match, they'll
4073
03:15:18.000 --> 03:15:19.680
pick it up and they'll be fighting in the gym,
4074
03:15:19.959 --> 03:15:21.840
and then the main event of the show will be
4075
03:15:21.920 --> 03:15:25.399
whatever the final ten or fifteen minutes is from the rooftop.
4076
03:15:25.520 --> 03:15:27.600
I think it's gonna be cut up and spread out
4077
03:15:27.639 --> 03:15:28.879
throughout the three hour broadcast.
4078
03:15:29.600 --> 03:15:32.959
Yeah, that crossed my mind too. It'll be weird to
4079
03:15:33.319 --> 03:15:36.000
have just big, you know, extended chunks of a match
4080
03:15:36.079 --> 03:15:39.879
not shown, because if you're showing another match and then
4081
03:15:39.920 --> 03:15:41.799
something big is happening. Do you cut away from the
4082
03:15:41.840 --> 03:15:45.000
live match? Do you do split screen? Who makes that call?
4083
03:15:45.120 --> 03:15:47.079
Do fans feel like they're being pulled in two different
4084
03:15:47.079 --> 03:15:49.639
directions and it's like listening to two songs at once.
4085
03:15:49.719 --> 03:15:53.920
It's just annoying. I'm hopefully. I'm hopeful they don't do that.
4086
03:15:54.079 --> 03:15:56.760
And by having the men's and women's matches happening at
4087
03:15:56.799 --> 03:15:59.719
the same time with a dozen wrestlers, they they're switching
4088
03:15:59.719 --> 03:16:01.840
back in fourth from different floors in different rooms. But
4089
03:16:02.079 --> 03:16:05.000
that match is start to finish shown and if there's
4090
03:16:05.000 --> 03:16:07.399
any split screens, it's just to show us something happening
4091
03:16:07.440 --> 03:16:09.479
on the roof. Will something else is happening in the cafeteria,
4092
03:16:10.680 --> 03:16:13.440
but we'll see. I don't know, but I am. I
4093
03:16:13.520 --> 03:16:16.639
am hopeful, And my assumption has been Kevin, the Performance
4094
03:16:16.680 --> 03:16:18.799
Center will host everything but the dual money in the
4095
03:16:18.840 --> 03:16:19.280
Bank match.
4096
03:16:20.600 --> 03:16:23.680
Yeah, I was just I would hope, so I've just
4097
03:16:24.120 --> 03:16:28.120
for the safety of the performance too. But I was wondering.
4098
03:16:29.600 --> 03:16:32.840
So with that they're having that match is splitting it
4099
03:16:33.000 --> 03:16:35.360
up piece by piece, so they're supposed to the same that.
4100
03:16:35.479 --> 03:16:38.040
If it's spect the eight or seven or whatever that
4101
03:16:38.159 --> 03:16:42.120
they've been fighting for three hours and fifteen minutes, and
4102
03:16:42.959 --> 03:16:46.520
and like, come on, like if they kill themselves.
4103
03:16:46.120 --> 03:16:50.440
With the with the fight, we're really supposed to believe
4104
03:16:50.479 --> 03:16:53.639
that through It took you guys, immediately the time that
4105
03:16:53.840 --> 03:16:57.120
the match started to the end of the exact window
4106
03:16:57.239 --> 03:16:59.520
that the pay per view was supposed to show to
4107
03:16:59.719 --> 03:17:02.680
end the fight. I hope they don't spend it that way. Yeah,
4108
03:17:02.719 --> 03:17:04.680
if they don't want any credibility to man.
4109
03:17:05.319 --> 03:17:08.319
Yeah, I hope you're right, Kevin. I'm but you know,
4110
03:17:08.360 --> 03:17:09.760
if they pull it off, Okay, one chance to pull
4111
03:17:09.760 --> 03:17:12.600
it off, we'll see, all right, all right, cool, thanks Kevin,
4112
03:17:12.600 --> 03:17:23.479
appreciate your call. Yep, you bet. All right. Let's jump
4113
03:17:23.559 --> 03:17:27.280
to our first email here. This comes from Zach in Texas.
4114
03:17:27.559 --> 03:17:30.159
He says, for me, SmackDown's just there tonight, Mandy Rose
4115
03:17:30.200 --> 03:17:32.000
and Sony Develo were the high point. They should have
4116
03:17:32.079 --> 03:17:34.120
closed the show. The star of the show for me, though,
4117
03:17:34.159 --> 03:17:36.200
was actually my ex girlfriend. She's a super casual fan
4118
03:17:36.239 --> 03:17:38.680
and hasn't watched SmackDown in a while. She watched tonight
4119
03:17:38.799 --> 03:17:42.040
and texted me her observations, which were hilarious. She said
4120
03:17:42.120 --> 03:17:43.879
miss didn't need a partner because his ego is big
4121
03:17:43.959 --> 03:17:46.000
enough for his own team, that the forgotten son should
4122
03:17:46.000 --> 03:17:48.200
have kept their sheets on because their paleness was blinding
4123
03:17:48.239 --> 03:17:50.959
to her. That Corbyn looked like the king of a
4124
03:17:51.040 --> 03:17:54.440
trash pile of ugly and that Bailey looked like a Karen.
4125
03:17:54.959 --> 03:17:57.280
I'm sure you guys don't get what that means, but
4126
03:17:57.399 --> 03:18:01.559
google it. You'll thank me. Zach in tech. So anyway,
4127
03:18:01.600 --> 03:18:04.239
if bea an email from Zach there the ex girlfriend
4128
03:18:04.280 --> 03:18:09.600
observing what is happening, the email does prompt me to
4129
03:18:10.600 --> 03:18:14.479
mention that different people watch SmackDown and see a very
4130
03:18:14.520 --> 03:18:17.079
different show. A ten or eleven year old kid watches
4131
03:18:17.120 --> 03:18:19.600
SmackDown and see something very different than someone who's been
4132
03:18:19.600 --> 03:18:25.639
watching wrestling for decades, just WWE ardent fan, but not
4133
03:18:25.840 --> 03:18:28.840
like a hardcore fan who also watches New Japan or
4134
03:18:29.040 --> 03:18:31.760
even aw for that matter, sees it different than the
4135
03:18:31.799 --> 03:18:33.760
one who's probably who you know, has been probably wearing
4136
03:18:33.799 --> 03:18:36.000
the Bowl Club T shirt and is counting down the
4137
03:18:36.079 --> 03:18:38.200
days to New Japan, you know, running the next US show?
4138
03:18:40.040 --> 03:18:43.079
Is that taken into account enough, Jake, when it comes
4139
03:18:43.159 --> 03:18:45.479
to our show and our perspective and the people who
4140
03:18:45.600 --> 03:18:48.920
listen to the show and podcasts that you do do
4141
03:18:49.040 --> 03:18:51.639
we take into account enough that Vince's is thinking of
4142
03:18:51.680 --> 03:18:53.319
a different audience. It's one of the value moone to
4143
03:18:53.360 --> 03:18:56.680
house show and just seeing all these different fans show
4144
03:18:56.799 --> 03:19:00.840
up who experience WWE and an entirely different way. And
4145
03:19:01.360 --> 03:19:04.799
the symbolic guy for that, I think is Baron Corbyn.
4146
03:19:06.079 --> 03:19:07.879
He got a lot of heel heat at house shows.
4147
03:19:08.280 --> 03:19:10.840
But those who wouldn't be I should say, wuldn't be
4148
03:19:10.840 --> 03:19:12.520
caught down at Dowdy house show. That's oversteating it. But
4149
03:19:12.760 --> 03:19:16.239
those who don't just like, you know, pridefully say yeah,
4150
03:19:16.239 --> 03:19:18.159
I'm going to see WWE and tell other friends, but
4151
03:19:18.239 --> 03:19:20.159
they just sort of go. But they're watching all this
4152
03:19:20.239 --> 03:19:22.680
other content. They look at Baron Corbin as as a
4153
03:19:22.799 --> 03:19:25.040
bane on the show, not the guy they want to
4154
03:19:25.079 --> 03:19:28.719
go boo. And so how do you feel about that?
4155
03:19:28.840 --> 03:19:30.719
And as an analyst of wrestling for as long as
4156
03:19:30.719 --> 03:19:32.719
you have been doing it, how how much do you
4157
03:19:32.840 --> 03:19:35.440
work to take yourself out of the center of the
4158
03:19:35.600 --> 03:19:37.879
universe and how it all filters through you and your
4159
03:19:37.959 --> 03:19:39.399
desires and your interpretation.
4160
03:19:40.479 --> 03:19:42.840
Well, I do think there's a fair amount of like
4161
03:19:43.120 --> 03:19:46.600
in the bubble thinking, so to speak, that infects a
4162
03:19:46.680 --> 03:19:50.159
lot of wrestling analysis. Like, we certainly don't have the
4163
03:19:50.200 --> 03:19:53.920
same perspective on it as as casual fans do. And
4164
03:19:54.360 --> 03:19:57.360
so you know, I like, i'll talk to my wife
4165
03:19:57.479 --> 03:20:00.239
or i'll you know, if my daughter's watching the sh show,
4166
03:20:00.280 --> 03:20:02.520
I'll kind of observe her and how she reacts to
4167
03:20:02.600 --> 03:20:06.200
things and see how, you know, how they're you know,
4168
03:20:06.639 --> 03:20:09.719
feeling about a particular segment or a character or something.
4169
03:20:09.799 --> 03:20:13.600
And and typically it's not, you know, world's different than
4170
03:20:14.200 --> 03:20:14.879
how I feel.
4171
03:20:14.959 --> 03:20:18.280
But there's some you know, like when WW brings in
4172
03:20:18.399 --> 03:20:22.479
pop music acts or you know, social media celebrities or
4173
03:20:22.520 --> 03:20:24.440
some of the other stuff that they do on occasion
4174
03:20:24.920 --> 03:20:28.040
like that will get more attention from them than it
4175
03:20:28.120 --> 03:20:30.479
will from me. And so I try to keep that
4176
03:20:30.959 --> 03:20:33.760
kind of perspective that there there is an audience that
4177
03:20:33.920 --> 03:20:37.079
is not me that reacts differently to some of these things.
4178
03:20:37.159 --> 03:20:40.000
And so it's it's certainly something that I try to
4179
03:20:40.079 --> 03:20:42.760
keep in mind. But obviously it's it's impossible to escape
4180
03:20:42.799 --> 03:20:44.799
your own feelings and biases about things.
4181
03:20:44.840 --> 03:20:46.159
And so here's what it is.
4182
03:20:46.799 --> 03:20:50.239
Yeah, yep, all right, another email here, jav and Detroit.
4183
03:20:50.559 --> 03:20:52.520
Do you think the SmackDown rot you? You would think
4184
03:20:52.559 --> 03:20:54.280
the SmackDown roster would be a lot more careful now
4185
03:20:54.360 --> 03:20:57.200
that the hacker is broadcasting the fact that he's watching
4186
03:20:57.280 --> 03:20:59.799
to expose the truth every week. Instead, they still get
4187
03:21:00.079 --> 03:21:03.840
caught on camera, recorded or recording to be exposed to
4188
03:21:03.959 --> 03:21:06.760
an international audience and others in the locker room. Go
4189
03:21:06.959 --> 03:21:09.520
vi epy, we haven't mentioned that yet. The hack character
4190
03:21:09.680 --> 03:21:12.239
was back. What did you pick up on that? How
4191
03:21:12.280 --> 03:21:14.840
do you summarize the point of this of this video
4192
03:21:15.000 --> 03:21:15.360
this week?
4193
03:21:17.360 --> 03:21:17.520
Well?
4194
03:21:18.159 --> 03:21:20.879
Had he played that voicemail before and I just missed it?
4195
03:21:21.040 --> 03:21:25.680
Or was that something brand new? Okay, so I mean clearly,
4196
03:21:26.399 --> 03:21:30.479
you know this person is supposed to be uncovering everybody's
4197
03:21:30.879 --> 03:21:34.239
dirty secrets, very similar to gosh, what was that called
4198
03:21:34.719 --> 03:21:38.000
GTV or whatever back in the in the nineties, you know,
4199
03:21:38.040 --> 03:21:40.719
where they were airing people's dirty laundry to kind of
4200
03:21:40.760 --> 03:21:43.719
advance storylines. I think when it's you know, when it's
4201
03:21:43.879 --> 03:21:47.000
used in the way that it has been, where it's
4202
03:21:47.079 --> 03:21:51.879
sort of anonymous and the motivations of the person sort
4203
03:21:51.879 --> 03:21:55.440
of revealing the information is sort of hidden, then it's
4204
03:21:55.520 --> 03:21:58.440
kind of useful from a storytelling standpoint. But as soon
4205
03:21:58.520 --> 03:22:02.200
as you reveal who it is and their agenda becomes clear,
4206
03:22:02.799 --> 03:22:06.319
then I think it becomes more challenging to continue to
4207
03:22:06.399 --> 03:22:09.239
make it interesting over the long term. So I'm curious
4208
03:22:09.280 --> 03:22:12.079
who it ends up being and what their goals are.
4209
03:22:12.319 --> 03:22:15.600
But I think thus far it's been fairly useful for
4210
03:22:16.200 --> 03:22:19.360
them advancing some of the storylines. But I think once
4211
03:22:19.479 --> 03:22:22.840
the purpose of it comes into focus, it's going to
4212
03:22:22.879 --> 03:22:23.680
be more difficult to.
4213
03:22:23.719 --> 03:22:25.479
Keep it going. What do you think the payoff for
4214
03:22:25.479 --> 03:22:26.239
purpose is going to be?
4215
03:22:27.280 --> 03:22:30.680
That's I think it's really open to interpretation at this point,
4216
03:22:30.840 --> 03:22:35.719
but I'm assuming, you know, I'm thinking at this point
4217
03:22:35.760 --> 03:22:38.799
that it's going to be Mustafa Ali because he was
4218
03:22:38.920 --> 03:22:44.040
a former cop and and might have some natural inclination
4219
03:22:44.200 --> 03:22:47.319
to using that technology and stuff like that. So there's
4220
03:22:47.399 --> 03:22:50.799
definitely a bit of a rebirth for that character that
4221
03:22:50.920 --> 03:22:53.799
could take place. But in terms of the ultimate motivation,
4222
03:22:54.000 --> 03:22:56.159
I don't think they've revealed enough to really tell us.
4223
03:22:56.600 --> 03:22:59.079
Yeah, yeah, I don't think so either. I mean, the
4224
03:22:59.120 --> 03:23:01.680
idea that people should be careful now to not have
4225
03:23:01.799 --> 03:23:04.440
the truth exposed, I mean, yeah, I mean there's something
4226
03:23:04.520 --> 03:23:06.719
to that, but that if everyone started doing that, that
4227
03:23:06.760 --> 03:23:09.120
would that would make the gimmick maybe not work. Wherever
4228
03:23:09.239 --> 03:23:13.440
they are ultimately headed with it, We're about to go
4229
03:23:13.520 --> 03:23:15.719
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4239
03:23:51.120 --> 03:23:55.319
do anything with the Tamina Laceysasha Bailey thing other than
4240
03:23:55.399 --> 03:23:56.799
just sort of paint by numbers. Let's have a tag
4241
03:23:56.879 --> 03:23:59.719
match with people involved on Sunday in the title match,
4242
03:24:00.120 --> 03:24:02.079
was there anything about it that you thought was good
4243
03:24:02.440 --> 03:24:04.239
or worked against building up the match tonight?
4244
03:24:04.799 --> 03:24:06.799
No, I don't think they worked against it. It felt
4245
03:24:06.879 --> 03:24:11.159
pretty paint by numbers. I think they continue to sort
4246
03:24:11.200 --> 03:24:13.959
of do the slow burn on selling us on the
4247
03:24:14.079 --> 03:24:19.600
idea that Sasha has this growing resentment for Bailey about
4248
03:24:19.639 --> 03:24:23.760
how she's constantly having to take abuse in order to
4249
03:24:23.840 --> 03:24:26.920
preserve Bailey's title reign and that kind of thing, And
4250
03:24:27.000 --> 03:24:29.200
I think it makes some sense that eventually she would
4251
03:24:29.520 --> 03:24:32.680
turn babyface and they would leave Bailey as the heel
4252
03:24:32.799 --> 03:24:34.559
because it's going to be tough for them to go
4253
03:24:34.719 --> 03:24:37.639
back to what Bailey used to be. And I think
4254
03:24:37.760 --> 03:24:41.520
Sasha is primed for a babyface run at this point.
4255
03:24:41.600 --> 03:24:43.280
She's been a heel for so long and I think
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fans have stuck with her even despite that, and so
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I'm looking forward to that program more than anything. But
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in terms of what's happening on Sunday, I think Tomina
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feels like a rush challenger that lacks a certain bit
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of credibility and I can't foresee, you know, even the
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slightest chance of a title chain, simply because I mean,
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even in this match, when it was a tag and
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she only had to work a couple of minutes actively,
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she was really struggling down the stretch to catch her wind.
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And so I think she's physic physically limited to the
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point now where it's hard to believe that she would
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be capturing a championship.
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All right, cool Jake, anything else from SmackDown that you
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want to bring up otherwise we can wrap up here. No,
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I think we covered it. Thanks for having me again, excellent. Yeah,
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thanks for being on. Thanks to our callers and emailers
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up on the Blue and Red Feet this weekend, so
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right now on the PW Torch Daily cast feeds if
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you haven't checked that out, it's from five years ago.
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Pat McNeil, longtime PROG Wrestling podcaster and columnist, interviewed one
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half of the Viking Raiders five years ago. This week.
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You can learn more about him in that interview than
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w B has told you about that team in their
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entire time on the roster, and also for even more
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As I mentioned earlier, that is waiting for you along
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with a Thursday flagship with Todd Martin. So with those
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blugs taking care of Thanks again Jake. Checked him out
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All Right, Jake will talk to you, so