5 YRS AGO SMACKDOWN POST-SHOW: KO destroyed by awful booking, Undertaker, Reigns-Rowan, Kofi-Orton, callers, MSG on-site correspondent, more

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PW Torch brings you the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Post
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Show five years ago. This week on the SmackDown Post Show,
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I was joined by Jake Burnette from Pro Wrestling dot
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Net along with live callers and an onside correspondent. We
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talked about the destruction of Kevin Owen's character by awful
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booking a King of the Ring Curveball, the final Kofi
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Kingston Randy Orton Angle leading into the Clash pay per
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view Undertaker's appearance at Angle with Sammy Zain. Eric Rowans
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speaks and gets his hand on Roman reins, Charlotte and
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Bailey Hype they wrestled on NXT ten years ago. This week,
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by the Way and more, and we also talked with
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Frank Pettianny, who attendant SmackDown at MSG to get details
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on what happened in the arena that did not air
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on TV. This originally live streamed on Some tenth, twenty nineteen,
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and it is today's Wade Keller Pro Wrestling posho five
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years ago flashback for Tuesday, September tenth, twenty twenty four. So, Jake,
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did they just destroy Kevin Owen's character with what they
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just did in the final fifteen minutes of that show?
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Or did I miss something that would give us sympathy
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for Ko.
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I mean, hadn't they already done that though, with the
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way that he had, you know, grobbled to Shane McMahon
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a couple of weeks ago. I mean, it just hasn't
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been a great run. It's very similar to what I
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think they're doing with Bailey in the sense that they
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they seem to know what the audience wants from these characters,
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but they just don't give it to them for some reason.
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I don't know if it's because they think they're building
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anticipation for some future event that's, you know, really going
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to set these things off, but you know, while it's happening,
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you know, week to week, it just it comes across
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like they're deconstructing the character in a way that really
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I don't think anybody could be pleased with.
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Because for people who are listening to the show but
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didn't didn't catch SmackDown or read about it, Shane Elias
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broke his ankle. Shane replaced Elias with himself in the
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King of the Ring semi finals against Chad Gable. H
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he appoints Kevin Owens a special referee and says that
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he would take under advisement rescinding as his uh uh
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fine if Kevin Owens, you know, did the right thing
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for his family as special referee. So Shane's trying to
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weasel his way. Well, he weasels wait his way into
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the semi finals and then tries to use his influence
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to get Kevin Owens to do the dirty work and
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help him advance. Okay, that's all fine, and they're they're
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laying on thick here. Well, you know, Kevin Owens kids
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have to go to college and all that. But it's
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so then Kevin Owens does a fast three count when
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Gable Germans suplex is Shane on the back of his
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head and in like ten seconds into the match, and
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it looks like Gable's the winter he's advancing, and then
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Shane does what was sort of predictable when you saw
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one minutes we're left on the clock. He goes, I'm
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making this a two out of three falls match. They
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go to a break and they come back and suddenly,
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and this is what I guess maybe I missed or
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I'm not getting Suddenly, Kevin Owens decided to think about
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his family instead of getting revenge on Shane. Did they
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explain at all why Kevin Owens flipped from I don't
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care about the money. I want to do what's right,
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screw Shane to yeah, I better do Shane's dirty work.
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Now.
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There was a brief moment before they went to the
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first commercial break where Shane and Owens were having some
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kind of argument in ringside, but it wasn't really picked
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up by any of the microphones.
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Yeah, and then.
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And then they, you know, Gable kind of wandered back
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to ringside after Shane had called for this the you know,
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the two out of three falls stipulation, and Owens kind
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of distracted him so Shane could blast him from behind
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with the forearm, and I think he tossed him into
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the timekeeper's area or something. But there really wasn't any
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explicit moment where you know, you saw Kevin Owens kind
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of you know, click and buckle under the pressure. You know,
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they just didn't show that in a televised way. And
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then the announcers didn't do a very good job other
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than you know, talking about how conflicted he must be.
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But there wasn't some moment where you thought, Okay, now
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now he's really buying into this, you know, I really
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need to do this to keep my you know, financial
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future in check or something. It was very strange. I
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didn't quite understand why it wasn't more explicit so the
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audience who was watching on television could pick up on it.
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Maybe there was something if you were in the building
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that somebody could explain.
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Didn't they need to do that? I mean, like, I
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don't think that's optional here, Like I don't think it's well,
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you know, you can make a case either way. Kevin
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Owens was willing to, according to the preposterous storyline, sacrifice
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his quote children's college education because we're supposed to believe
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a former Universal Champion this you know, wwa superstar paper
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remade eventor hasn't socked away enough money or isn't making
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enough money or doesn't have prospects in ae W for
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that matter, to supply his kids with a college education,
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or even if he can't, like many many many grown
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ups in the world with kids, many parents with kids understand,
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you know what, the kids are going to have to
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work during college and take out loans. But Kevin Owens
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is willing to ruin his integrity and take something away
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from Chad Gable that he earned and give the spoiled
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brat Shane McMahon what he is conniving to get. Unfairly,
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he's willing to do all of that because he doesn't
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make enough money, which is stupid to think is true,
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and it really means WWE and Kevin Owens or he
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has no character because let his kids work their way
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through college, like a lot of kids do, go to
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a state school. He'll they'll be fine. There's great state
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schools out there. So what am I missing? I think
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this is horrible.
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The other elements that are If WWE superstars are well
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compensated athletes, why would a one hundred thousand dollars one
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time fine and completely preclude Kevin Owens from being able
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to fund his children's college when they're both I mean,
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he's shown his kids on TV right they're like five
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or ten years old.
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You know.
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And then there's the other level of why wasn't Chad
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Gable angry about this? He just celebrated and left, Like,
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if Shane hadn't beat down Kevin Owens, you would have
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think Chad Gable would have been in line to do it,
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and he just wasn't. So that there was a lot
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of character moments at the conclusion of the show and
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a lot of story elements of this that just don't
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make a whole lot of sense. No, I'm watching this
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and I'm getting kind of angry like I did about
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the whole Roman raigns who've done it, because it's just
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Kevin Owens deserves better than this and it's so just
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fundamentally flawed and poorly executed.
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Yeah, I mean, you're right to my initial question. You
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know when I said, did they destroy Kevin owens character tonight?
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You're like, well, didn't they already? And yes, I mean
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Kevin Owens is just it was completely room coming into deny.
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But it felt like, well, if the moment is he
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redeems himself tonight by fast counting Shane and then in
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the second fall sticking to his guns and having that
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integrity to stand up for what's right, and then afterwards
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grab the microphone and look down at Shane McMahon and say,
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my kids will work their way through college like I did,
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and like a lot of people in this crowd are doing.
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But I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna be your servant.
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I'm not gonna do with you. I'm not gonna be
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blackmailed into lowering myself to your level. I want to
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achieve my way, you know whatever. I mean, just like
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there's a there's a speech there to be had that
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I don't know if it undoes the damage, but certainly
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you could go okay if it led to that point,
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I can sort of live with it. But it did
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live to that point. It made Kevin Owens worse, if
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that was even possible. I I just I mean, it's
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just some really really really lousy writing in general in
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terms of storytelling, but damaging to KO. And it feels
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like the writing is just done through the lens of
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how will Shane McMahon look, And it's like somebody is
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completely centered on Shae McMann. It isn't thinking about how
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well Kevin Old's look, how well Chad Gable look. Gable
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just looked, you know, didn't look great there either. So
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I mean it was nice. You may chain tap, but yeah,
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just lots of bad things in that segment. I'm really flabbergasted.
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Yeah, I wish there was something nice to say about it, like, oh,
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you can kind of see where it's going, you know, like, oh,
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I mean I think they're probably heading towards another match
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at Hell in the Cell would be my guess, you know,
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if you were gonna look down the road and see
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where these two could could meet up again. But it's
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just I mean, is any You'd have to do a
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lot of work to salvage something interesting out of it.
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And I would almost argue Jake, that's beside the point
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at this point. I mean, like, who cares if they
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get a good match out of it. Kevin Owens just
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destroyed his babyface character, and I mean that stuff lingers,
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you know, I think it lingers with Seth Rollins. That
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the only reason he broke off from the authority and
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turned babyfaces. The authority rejected him, so he's like, well,
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if I can't get the authority to be on my side, hey, fans,
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will you take me back? Like I think he's still
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I think there's still a hangover from that and a
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lot of other things in how Seth was booked and
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now with Kevin Owens, this was done through the lens
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of Shane. I don't care if they have a great
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match that the crowd is into. Kevin Owens caved in
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to preposterous pressure that and made w w BL Bush
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League by not paying their athletes enough to afford college.
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And like you said, he's got a bunch of years
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to go to make it happen. It's just like there's
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there's no gold pot at the end of the rainbow
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that makes up for the path getting there being as
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just horrendously executed as possible. So it's time for another
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shake up and more more writing team firings because or
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Vincent man stepping out. I don't know what this is.
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I don't I think this is an excusable I don't.
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I don't think this is just another.
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I believe that he's been heavily involved in this. I mean,
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I guess the way it's been reported, and you can
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correct me if I'm wrong, is that Vince has been
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heavily editing the SmackDown scripts for quite some time now
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leading up to that late that's shake up, so I
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mean doing I guess we'd don't really know if this
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is the first week where that new team had had
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a chance to sort of sink their teeth into the show,
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but it didn't feel all that different from recent SmackDown.
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So no, definitely not. That's that's why I say, just
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do whatever you have to do, because somehow this made
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the air. Somebody wrote this script, somebody approved this script.
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Whoever it is, you're not good at your job, so
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find somebody else. There's there's there's good way. Just there's
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been dozens and dozens of bookers over the years, running
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different territories and promotions who would have looked at this
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and said to anyone presenting them with this, what are
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you thinking? We can't do this? You know, and nobody's
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doing that, so whoever's responsible? I mean, it's just I
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think it's that bad. I think it's that bad. I
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just I don't get how someone can say, let's book
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Kevin owens to have integrity and then suddenly not. And
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I don't care if they what they say was Shane
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said to Ko, it doesn't matter. They're portraying Ko as
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this pathetic, needy, groveling babyface who doesn't have enough pride
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to do the right thing and doesn't think he has
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job options, which everybody knows he has so and who
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would want to support a company that lets Shane McMahon
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run things like this. I mean, there's just so many
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Jake, welcome back. Thanks for having me with it. Always
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dot com Jake, your your soothing, calm, reasonable voice will
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bring me down a little bit. I'll be able to stake.
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calm as we as we work our way through calls here.
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So I appreciate that I'm good for something.
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I guess.
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All right, let's begin with Eric code six and then
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up next after that'll be three three seven and four
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four three. But everyone hold tight, we'll get through these calls.
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And then, by the way, Frank Pettiani joining us as
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articles every monthy and Tuesday afternoon, and so we are
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just excited to have him on the show. He was
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at MSG tonight and we'll hear all about what happened
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in the arenas. By the way, yesterday on the Raw
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Post show, we had a great outside correspondent, spent fifteen
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minutes give or take with him talking about all kinds
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of stuff that happened before and after Raw with Stone
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called Steve A. Stin and uh Ani's Canter and the
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Whole Art Truth twenty four to seven thing and what
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happened between commercial breaks, and a good assessment of crowd reactions.
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So if you didn't download and listen to yesterday's show, yeah,
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I encourage you to do it. We also had some
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really good emails and good conversation on that show. Cameron Hawkins,
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yesterday's co host. All right, so a first, uh, six
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one five, thanks for calling six one five. Please go
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ahead and state your name and where you're calling from.
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Hey, Wayne Jake, this is Sewan. I'm proud to be
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atty member of Murphys bro Tennessee. How you guys doing
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joined great?
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Sean, thanks for calling. What do you think of SmackDown?
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Oh god, I'm I'm still with you. That was awful.
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It's almost embarrassing to say I watched it and I
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actually gave time to it. That's how wait, that's how
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bad it was.
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It was that bad. Yeah, you said it. I mean
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kao's I mean it was, like you said, it was
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already destroyed anyway, But I mean, it was just embarrassing watching.
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Him do that.
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It hadn't have to go through that.
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It's like he's probably thinking in.
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His mind, not even on the show. Was from what
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they're taught to common hitter or saying, but even in
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his mind, he's like, why am I even with this
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company right now?
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Like what am I thinking? What am I doing? Like
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what am I.
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Doing with my life? Like I need to go do
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something else with my life because it was just an
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embarrassing Like the whole fine stuff we had talked about
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weeks before was dumb anyway, Why I got to feed
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my family like that was dumb to begin with, but
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then to continue going to this level with it, and
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and you know, Shane just again he's good in the
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heel roll, but it's just like I'm tired of him wrestling.
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I'm tired of him being around everything. He just needs
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to go away. It's just it's embarrassing, Like, stop Chad Gable,
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stop with the short jokes for crying out loud.
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That was stupid.
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Stop nobody cares about that.
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I love too. He's standing there slightly taller, it appears,
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than Apollo Cruise and just slightly less tall than Matt Hardy.
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I mean it's not like he's like just ridiculously or
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not ridicularly, but uh, significantly shorter than these other wrestlers.
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You have to be standing next to him and Shane
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continued the ongoing tired references to his height.
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Yeah, I just you know, again, that was just annoying.
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You know again, It's cool Gable got the win, but
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it means nothing at this point.
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It's like who cares?
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Like like you said, like Jake said, it makes his
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his character looks stupid because he just is involved in
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all this and just kind of gets all excited about
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winning in that way, which is like, I don't know,
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it just takes all the fun out of that. And then,
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I mean, the only good thing about the show in
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my opinion, was the you know, Orton Koche stuff.
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I do like that.
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I do.
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I am excited to see that match, even though Orton
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doesn't really give much when it comes to the championship matches.
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But you know, at least the storyline has been pretty good.
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Other than him yelling stupid like eighty times. I wish
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he'd stop that as well, But at least that's been
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a pretty good build up to that. I think that's
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been pretty good. What did you guys think about that?
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I thought it was pretty solid.
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Yeah, Jake, what do you think of Kofe's promo? Randy
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Orton firing back from behind the last row of the
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floor seats and then the re enactments of the boom
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drop at MSG.
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You know, I enjoyed the Kofe. I thought he came
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across the sincere. I think Orton being dismissive of him
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was exactly what should have been his tact with that.
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I mean, you have.
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Kofe and then you know he's going on about something
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that happened ten years ago, and he has been going
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on about it since this story began, and it was
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really the foundational moment of the relationship, at least on screen,
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between Kofe and Orton, and so I understand why they've
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gone down that road. But he does come across like
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a guy who was very, very stuck in time at
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one moment, and so I think it was refreshing to
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see a heel kind of point out that, you know,
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he's accomplished a lot more in the last ten years
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than he hasn't frozen himself in time, remembering, you know,
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what could have been ten years ago. And so I
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think the whole thing came across pretty well. The brawl,
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I mean it was okay, it kind of went off
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the rails a bit and the table broke on its
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own when I don't think it was supposed to. But
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I think the you know, they went for that moment
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of of reliving you know, the boom drop ten years ago,
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and at least that happened. The other thing that jumped
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out at me when it was over was like, I
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wonder if this is a sign that they may be
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changing the title on Sunday because they're giving Koffe his
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his big trumpet moment here on SmackDown.
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Yeah. Yeah, I'm not quite sure how I read into
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how that all played out. The way Randy talked it
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made me think Kofe's got to win. I mean, you
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can't talk the way Randy did about Koffee and then
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not have the Cinderella story of Kofe win. But of
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course you can always do some sort of finish that
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then leads to a rematch where Kofe ultimately does come
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out ahead. But there's all this heat on Randy. So yeah,
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I think we can look at the angle tonight as
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a success. Although I did I thought that the setup
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went out a little too long, Jake. I thought that
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once they started brawling by the tables, I felt like
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it went a minute longer than ideal. Maybe two minutes
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longer than ideal. It's just it felt to me like
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they kind of lost the crowd with the drawing out
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of it in the first table breaking setting up the
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second one. I don't know, I just was ready kind
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of for the big moment a couple minutes sooner than that.
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Did that strike you at all?
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Yeah?
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I think they probably did get thrown off by the
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fact that the table broke and then they had to
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reset the spot and it took up an extra thirty
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seconds or you know, a minute or whatever it was.
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I also think.
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They, you know, they might have had Randy interrupt him
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a little bit sooner. I think he might have gotten
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a little bit long on the microphone as well.
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Yeah.
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So, I mean, you know, hindsight's always twenty twenty in
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that regard. I think the segment was effective, it just
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wasn't perfect.
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Yeah. I Also, I think Randy is getting to swear
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on the air and get blead to make some kind
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of the badass and some people are going to cheer
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him for that, and that's always been a problem with
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him as a heel. Is being cheered. I hope they
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see that as a problem, because I think it is.
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It undercuts what the story they're trying to tell KOFE.
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If they're doing things that cause a tendency of want
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to cheer Randy because he's a cool legacy star with
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a great RKAO, you should be working against that. So
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being able to swear gives him, I think, an edge
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in terms of getting cheered when kofee's the pancake throwing, smiling,
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you know, goofball New Day, you know, doing the Goofball
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New Day act a lot of the time. And then
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Randy's got a good point. Kofe. You're talking about something
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you did ten years ago. Here's a list of all
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the things I've done since then, and that sort of
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rings true. It's like Randy might be a jerk about
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it to bring it up the way that he does,
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but it's only in response to Kofee going on and on,
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you know, about that moment of what it meant to him,
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and then he lists all these things he's done, and
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I think some fans are sitting at home going, yeah,
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I mean, Randy really has had a better career than Kofe.
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Now that is part of the Cinderella story, and they're
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selling Koffee as an underdog but I kind of would
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like to have, you know, have Kofee have a comeback,
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you know, like have you know, just say, hey, you know,
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how many years have I been winning taking titles with
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my brothers, with my friends as New Day, And I'm
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super proud of that record. But Randy, as soon as
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I went singles, I won a title. When's the last
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world title you held? I mean, I want to hear
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Kofe have a comeback, and they didn't give him that
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other than the physical you know, the chairs and the
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boom drop. Yeah.
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I hope he does eventually get a chance to respond
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to you know, because it's not the first time that
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Orton has essentially accused him of being a fraud, you know,
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like he like the whole Jamaican accent thing, and then
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he brought up the power of positivity, like you know,
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it's it's this insincere thing the New Day puts on.
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And I hope they do give Kofey a chance to
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respond to it, or if they domed, then you know,
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I think they've kind of made it clear that, you know,
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they're calling in to question the sincerity of what New
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Day does as an act, and maybe it is time
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for them to do that. I'm not sure, but it
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is curious that they didn't give him any kind of
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verbal response to that.
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All right, So Seawan, any uh follow up topics were
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closing words for me?
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Yeah, I wanted to say, you know again with the
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Rowan and Roman stuff, like again, I just this this
506
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that that storyline has been so bad, like nothing cantalvashed this.
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I mean, like what they did tonight was like, Okay.
508
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They made Rowan kind of a threat terrains, but like
509
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even even the crowd wasn't invested in it because it's
510
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been so bad that there was just like Roman came
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out and you think he's gonna get a big pop
512
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and there was like really like nothing, like they this
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storyline is so bad that nobody really cares about it,
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and so it's like, I mean I just thought that
515
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was bad too, Like you know, Rowan got him down
516
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with the camera, you know, the jib camera or whatever,
517
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but it was like who really cares? And then the
518
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only question I had for you guys was Bailey. I
519
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mean the Bailey Charlotte stuff. It's like they're they're doing
520
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the same thing with Bailey, like I don't know who
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her character is supposed to be, Like she's.
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Supposed to be a heel technically, and she's gotten this like.
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Kind of a little bit more of a swag to her.
524
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But like, who am I supposed to root for? When
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Bailey faced charlottees fun day, Like.
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Who do I root for? Like Charlotte sitting there, she
527
00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:04.759
gives nothing on commentary, Like where do you think they're
528
00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:08.599
going with that? It mainly a full blown heel or what?
529
00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:12.559
Yeah, Bailey's Bailey's a full blown heel who's delusional and
530
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thinks she's not. I think that's a story they're telling.
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But this is also brought to you by the folks
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00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:20.440
who wrote this horrendous Roman reigns Who's Done It and
533
00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:23.839
the horrendous Kevin Owen Shane storyline. So I don't want
534
00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:25.640
to read too much into the signals they're sending because
535
00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:27.759
they might be intending to do something completely different and
536
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even more awful. But that cynicism aside. Yes, Bailey is
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is the delusional or or lying to people's face saying
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I'm the same person, but she knows she's not. But
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00:25:39.319 --> 00:25:41.119
she's just you know, seeing if she can get away
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of saying she's not. Charlotte is just being Charlotte. Jake,
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what do you did they accomplish anything there. I mean,
542
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I'm not for turning Charlotte baby face, and it's bad
543
00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:53.880
timing having Bailey and Charlotte face each other. And I'm
544
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fine if they just have this match with ambiguity because
545
00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:58.279
the timing isn't great, and then move out to Charlotte
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as a heel against the face and Baileyott as a
547
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.039
champion heel against another baby face and have them go
548
00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:05.400
their separate ways. I'm fine with that. Of course, it'd
549
00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:07.480
be nice if there were babyfaces for them, two face
550
00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:11.599
who were over. But I didn't think the segment tonight
551
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accomplished a lot. Charlotte standing in the ring after the
552
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match with her arms extended smiling and Bailey smiling back
553
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and walking out of the ring did not get me
554
00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:22.400
excited for the match. It was a four minute match
555
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with a three and a half minute commercial in the middle,
556
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and Charlotte was on color commentary, so we got about
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twenty seconds of Charlotte saying almost nothing and another twenty
558
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seconds of Charlotte say almost nothing after the break, and
559
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so there wasn't much of a chance to establish much.
560
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I wasn't real high on this. I don't think it
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accomplished much. I don't think it did damage, but I
562
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think it reminded people like Shanna saying, I don't really
563
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have a strong preference for who wins.
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Yeah, they had Charlotte praised Bailey several times, you know,
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her new attitude or new aggressiveness, you know, said that
566
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she needed it. But they also had her say that
567
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this is the same Bailey that she's been the entire time.
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And that's that's what Sasha was saying, and that's what
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Bailey is saying. And you have you know, Ember Moon
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in a backstage segment kind of cold calling her out
571
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on it. But honestly, I do they really know what
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direction they're going with her. It's another one of those
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things where it's, well, they could be holding off until
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after Clash of Champions to pull the trigger on whatever
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the next step is. But it it I mean, I
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think I wrote in my report tonight, it feels like
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they've gone half assed on a full ass problem. You know,
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Bailey has been an issue as a character for a
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long time. They just have never quite figured out how
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to make it work on the main roster. They brought
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her in with far too much confidence, and it's kind
582
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of all spiraled out of control since then, and this
583
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feels like they're trying to do a make good on,
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you know, on the original pitch for Bailey, and I
585
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just don't quite understand why they didn't, you know, do
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an entire reinvention of her character. She needed to go
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full tilt in the other direction rather than this kind
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of soft pedaling they've been doing thus far.
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Yeah, yep, I agree. All right, Sean, appreciate the call.
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Thank you, Wade go v I P, Thanks everybody.
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I appreciate the endorsement p W Torch v I P
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info dot com. All right, uh, four four three is
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up and then eight six So after that we had
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a couple of people, uh unflagged themselves. So four for three,
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go ahead, state your name and where you're calling from.
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Ile from Baltimore, Maryland.
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Thick, thanks for calling. What do you think it is?
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Back town?
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Yeah?
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I thought, you know it was I you know, it
601
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was okay, I stuff like that. I might have really
602
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definitely definitely set out to me.
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Tonight was.
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First the it's really about tonight and about a little
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bit about yesterday what I heard over yesterday over yesterday's call.
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So tonight, though I thought UH Roman and Reign's UH
607
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compensated tonight was I thought it was good, but I
608
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think it was it was near the end where it's
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where he where own hit hit raised with the camera
610
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:06.039
and raised immediately we backed up. He didn't really sell
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00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:09.799
them get selled by the by the camera.
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00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:10.519
We talk about that.
613
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He just really just got up, didn't really feel anything.
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Thought that was weird and I got I just have
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to talking about So what do you think about that, Doug?
616
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First, I thought he was down for a reasonable amount
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of time. Maybe you know, when I'm writing my report,
618
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I you know, sometimes I get busy typing and I
619
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missed something. But it didn't seem like it was an
620
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:35.359
unreasonable uh time that he got back up. But I
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I guess my takeaway from the brawl was that maybe
622
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they could have saved some of that for the pay
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per view, because it felt like they kind of did
624
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the walking brawl and the and the stunt spot on
625
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the top of the ramp, and then they went and
626
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:51.200
immediately announced that their match at uh AT Class Champions
627
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:54.200
would be no d Q, and it kind of felt like, man,
628
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.640
you could have saved some of that in the in
629
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the reservoir for for that show, but I actually thought
630
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the same thing came across pretty well. Rowan got absolutely
631
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:05.960
no reaction for his entrance, which I guess is to
632
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be expected because he just hasn't been treated like a.
633
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:10.920
Star and he was part of the worst storyline in
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progressing history.
635
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Yeah, that's true, and and so I guess I can't
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be shocked there. It's going to take a long time
637
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to rehabilitate him.
638
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But I mean, this is the the end.
639
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Product of a long and arduous journey through a very
640
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bad storyline, And so I guess I think it's, uh,
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you know, they're kind of left with what they're left with. Roman.
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Roman didn't get the reaction he should get either, because
643
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of course he's just you know, they've deflated him with
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this terrible story as well.
645
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Yes, all of that, And I will say this, I
646
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think that Rowan is suddenly being thrust into a position
647
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to hold a microphone in the middle of the ring
648
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in New York City and Madison Square Garden, in front
649
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of a crowd that has hopefully in some cases been
650
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spared watching SmackDown in recent weeks to see this. This
651
00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:01.440
just unfathomably bad storyline that they've told that they seem
652
00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:04.799
to almost be backing away from like they're not really
653
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:08.400
like I mean, they're showing some replays and stuff, but
654
00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:11.559
it almost seems like they're self aware now of how
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bad it was. They're not like, you know, Rowan, Rowan
656
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.680
tried to end Roman Rains his career and maim him.
657
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:21.039
And now it's like, I think they realized the next
658
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:24.920
sentence is crazy, because then the next sentence is and
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now he's gonna try to get him to tap out
660
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or pin him for three seconds on Sunday to get
661
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.359
revenge for attempted murder. Like it just doesn't work. It
662
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:35.559
was such a bad idea to begin with that. Now
663
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:38.160
they're talking in a little bit more generalities, and I
664
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:40.559
don't know what was originally planned for this, if this
665
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:43.599
is what they had in mind. Five days before the
666
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:45.240
pay per view, Rowan standing in the middle of the ring,
667
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:49.599
cutting a promo, trying to establish his character five days
668
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:54.319
before he faces arguably wwb's top male star in Roman Reigns.
669
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:57.000
But that's what he was doing. And I felt like
670
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Rowan did fine as in terms of his his character,
671
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:06.359
his body language is his inflection. It felt like, you know,
672
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he had things he wanted to say. I think he
673
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got to them and said them believably. You know, I
674
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:14.200
don't just I don't do what people tell me, and
675
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people have always perceived me a certain way. I mean,
676
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:19.079
it wasn't like a home run, but I thought it
677
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:21.039
was fine. I just felt it was a real handicap
678
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:24.160
to be standing out there when the storyline seemed to
679
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:27.759
be more going towards You know, is Daniel Brian a
680
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.880
hypocrit or, a liar and now suddenly he's just not
681
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:33.440
part of this and everyone's supposed to be really geared
682
00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:36.599
up to see Roman get revenge against Rowan by trying
683
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:38.319
to pin his shoulders down for a three count to
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00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:41.079
make up for Rowan attempting to kill or maim him.
685
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:43.440
I mean, the whole thing's just a mess. So Ronan
686
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:45.200
was in a bad position, but I thought he did
687
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:48.759
fine given the material he had. I thought Roman was
688
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:52.359
fine playing the role that he did. I thought the
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00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:55.039
brawl was fine. I think they probably Jake went a
690
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:57.440
little further than they would have, just because they're just
691
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trying to get people excited about a match that nobody
692
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:01.200
had on the radar. Is a pay per view match
693
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:04.079
for Roman a month ago so maybe they wanted to
694
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just you know, give the crowd in the building, in
695
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the viewers at home something a taste of what Rowan
696
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:15.440
can do in how he can maybe hold his own
697
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and beat down Roman Reigns over an extended period of
698
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time to make the grudge match seem credible. That would
699
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:22.680
be my theory on why they did as much as
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They it was absolutely horrendous, you know what they had
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00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:06.720
done coming into this show. I mean they set both
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of these guys up for failure, and despite that, they
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00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:12.920
went out and had a decent brawl. And at least
715
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there's you know, maybe a little bit of interest in
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seeing how this concludes, you know, on Sunday, I think
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everybody assumes that Roman gets the wind, But where where
718
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does Eric Rowan go from there? What does he look
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like in the future? You know, I might have given
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him a few more the lions of dialogue to say,
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because it seemed like he was just getting around to explaining,
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you know, that he's a mastermind and that he's a
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schemer and that he always has been, and then Roman
724
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kind of interrupted him, and and so you know, I
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want to give him a chance to at least try
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to get his whatever this new character is over. But
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I'm just not certain he's going to get that opportunity.
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Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure that's the best way to
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I in part two. I just feel like Roman's been
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the lackey for so long, and unlike Luke Harper, Rowan
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wasn't perceived as being under pushed. So I think Rowan
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has a lot to prove. Now maybe he will, you know,
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and this is his chance to do it. I think
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we kind of know what we're gonna get with Roman
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and Rowan on Sunday, Will you know, we'll see I
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mean if if they both can come through with a
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surprisingly good match that again won't undo or justify the
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storyline leading up to it, but at least there'll be
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something good at the end for fans to enjoy. By
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the Way, this Friday on the Wade Keller Progresling podcast
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The Blue Logo Show, Matt McCarthy will be my co
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host my guest on the Friday show to preview Class
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of Champions. We'll also talk with Matt about other things
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going on in the wrestling scene, not just a clash preview.
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Matt is a former WWB Creative to You member, a
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frequent guest on the Way Keller podcast over the years,
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and also host of the We Watch Wrestling podcast. So
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join us Friday for that and we'll get you out
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primed up for the class, talk about all the storylines,
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00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:59.679
get his take as someone who used to be in
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00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:02.639
the right room on the job that they've done with
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Kevin Owens and this Rowan rains Brian Saga. I'm very
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eager to talk to him about that. But also we'll
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talk at a e W and more so that's coming
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up this Friday and then tomorrow on the Thursday, flagship
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Jason Powell from Progressing dot Net joined me for his
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once every three week visit on the flag ships. So
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a lot of good stuff coming up this week and
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a lot to talk about. Kyle. Back to you for
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either another topic or some closing words.
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Uh yeah, just this. I just hope un said they
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all digitals move on from didrain stain and rowan day?
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But I have another question about tonight and then the
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something that really really really stood out to me last
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day of another college that I had done before from
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from last night's show, But for Charlotte potentially be feel
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like becoming a serious baby face like Becky was and
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again being that being kind of kind of being off
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Becky a little bit again somewhat like she kind of
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did last year part of bumps virus or stuff like that.
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So I don't know if they're having her becoming more
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like Becking a way of turning her slowly into I
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just like, that's what I think of what they're doing,
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because Bailey being this crazy heel does she's a heel,
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but being mustache and everything, I just yeah, I don't know.
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I just I just feel like this whole thing with
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Bailey is just a little bit, at least to me,
778
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just not working for me personally. I just don't see it.
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I can't really buy into her. I mean, I mean,
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I mean I could buy here, I could buy her
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into being a baby I mean a heel, but it's
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just Charlotte. I don't know.
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Well, let's let's let me let me let me throw
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to Jake on this. Uh. In a perfect world, you'd
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have three red hot baby faces and three red hot heels,
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and Charlotte could be in the role that made the
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most sense, with three really good opponents no matter what,
788
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waiting for her to fill the next six to nine months.
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WW hasn't done that. They don't have that, and so
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it seems like Charlotte's just sort of being positioned opposite
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of Bailey because Charlotte's one of the few women wrestlers
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they've established as paper you made event worthy, and so
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if there's a heel champion and she's a challenger, then
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she sort of the de facto babyface and her character
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loses some of the edge that it would have if
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she had a strong babyface opponent. If you had your
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way and you had a deep roster of heels and faces.
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Is Charlotte a long term heel or a long term
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face or do you do you think there's an argument
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to be made of just let Charlotte be Charlotte and
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have crowds react to her Situationally, I think.
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She should be a heel. I don't think she's particularly
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sympathetic as a character. I think you will have her
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get cheered at various moments regardless, just because she's she's
805
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been promoted as one of, if not the most important
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female in the company. You know, people are going to
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recognize her stardom and they react to star power, which
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is something that the company lacks in general, you know,
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at this point in time. And so she's one of
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the few characters that stands out as being, you know,
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having a magnetic, charismatic, star power type personality. And so
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I would have her lean heel almost all the time.
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I think they have other characters that play baby face better,
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that get sympathy that she should be working with. I mean,
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and they have a lot. I mean, it's not that
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00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:28.519
they don't have a deep roster, they just they just
817
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don't do anything with it. I mean, outside of the
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four horse women, there probably aren't that many women on
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the roster that get much writing attention. And that's a
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00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:37.760
real shame because they have some, you know, some serious
821
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talent packed all over the place that they aren't using.
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00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:42.519
Yeah. Yeah, they absolutely could have been doing a better
823
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job with the women and creating more depth on the roster.
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And I don't think every Moon at all benefited from
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you know, she got some mic time today tonight on SmackDown,
826
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but then just sort of lost unceremoniously and it was
827
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just to fill some time until Charlotte could walk in
828
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the ring for an ineffective stared out with Bailey. It's
829
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just not inspired work from WWE. It's just the writing team.
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00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:09.079
Vincent Mann sets the tone and is sometimes almost entirely responsible.
831
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:10.559
Other times it's just the tone that he sets as
832
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:12.880
a leader and the inertia of how things are done.
833
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:15.119
They just don't keep their eye on that undercurrent of
834
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the next wave of stars they need ready to take
835
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:21.960
on the champion after a feud is over with. They
836
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don't do a great job with the men in that regard.
837
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.840
There's the few main eventors who just sort of incestuously
838
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:30.639
fight each other constantly to add nauseum, and then there's
839
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:32.199
this big drop off to the mid part, people who
840
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fight each other fifty to fifty and TV matches that
841
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:37.000
just sort of blend in into a blur. And there
842
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:40.440
should be stars right in between there who are having
843
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:42.920
credible winning streaks and there's this journey. They're on, a
844
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.880
story being told. The announcers are not they're leading the
845
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:48.599
fans with evidence and the rests are getting a chance
846
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:50.679
to show this is the next red hot star that
847
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:53.519
I'm eager to see face the champion once this match
848
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:57.079
is done. When UFC is working, when it's clicking, that's
849
00:40:57.119 --> 00:40:59.719
what's happening. You know what the next world title matches
850
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:03.360
for whatever division you're watching. But on the undercard or
851
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:06.360
on another recent show, there's one or two others who
852
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:09.079
are scoring impressive wins and you're like, I can't wait
853
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:13.840
to see them because they're waiting their next and WWE
854
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.079
is awful at that. And it's worse with the women
855
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:18.840
because they don't have as many women on the roster
856
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:20.519
full time because they don't do as many house show
857
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:22.920
matches with the women, so they don't fill the roster
858
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.320
with as many because they're still on this antiquated house
859
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:28.000
show payment formula for how they fill out their roster.
860
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:31.039
But they absolutely should be better at telling a story
861
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:34.559
following the USC model of I can't wait till this
862
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:37.320
woman wrestler who's on a hot street gets her chance.
863
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:39.639
NXT does a better job with one hour of TV
864
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:43.039
a week than WWE does with five, and WWE should
865
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:46.199
have plenty of time to tell that story. So, you know, again,
866
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:47.800
shame on them for not doing it, and now they
867
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:50.079
end up with the situation that they're in. It just
868
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:52.119
seems like Vince thinks about what's going on this week,
869
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:54.840
rewrites a script with an hour two to go, and
870
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:57.760
that long term planning that should be there isn't, And yeah,
871
00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:00.360
it's frustrating. The fans deserve better they do. This is
872
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:02.559
a billion dollar company. They should be able to hire
873
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:05.639
competent people who will stand with divinsick man and speak
874
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:07.960
truth to him when when bad stuff like this is happening,
875
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:12.519
or the the foundational work setting up where you're going
876
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:15.280
to be in two months isn't being done. And you
877
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:17.000
know they but they got the Saudi money and the
878
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:19.440
network money and the TV money and they don't have
879
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:24.639
to address their faults because that you know, they're going
880
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:27.800
to be fine financially otherwise. So that's unfortunate. But I
881
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:30.039
would hope pride would take over at some point. I'll
882
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:31.320
take anything you want to add to that.
883
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:35.159
Well, hopefully competition will will spur them on and we'll
884
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:35.840
see what happens.
885
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:38.199
Yeah, And that's the pride thing, because competition is not
886
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:41.320
going to hurt them financially in the in the immediate run,
887
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:43.920
you know, I mean, they're they're going to make so
888
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.800
much money from SEF and unless there's clauses with Fox
889
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:48.880
or NBC where they can get bumped from their day,
890
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:50.920
their time slid or their network to like you know,
891
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:55.320
SmackDown does terrible it gets bumped f s one, then
892
00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:59.880
that probably affects them in some way financially. I don't
893
00:42:59.920 --> 00:43:02.559
know how much of a guarantee they have, and I'd
894
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:04.000
like somebody to ask that, you know, in one of
895
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:06.880
these financial calls, you know, is there if the ratings
896
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:08.920
aren't good, do you guys lose this money that that
897
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:12.360
your investors believe is locked in. I'd hope somebody would
898
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:14.880
ask that when when they have the financial people there
899
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:17.079
who have to speak the truth legally, you know, they're
900
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:20.039
obligated to. But yeah, I would hope. I would hope AW.
901
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:22.679
And but again, AW beating NXT and the ratings or
902
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.199
vice versas doesn't really I just don't know how much
903
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:26.880
that affects RON SmackDown. The only way I think they
904
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:31.159
would AW would affect the quality of RON SmackDown would
905
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:33.440
be if aw's ratings are better than Raw or SmackDown
906
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:36.079
or close to it, even if it's on different nights.
907
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:38.400
And I'm just not sure how close that is to happen.
908
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:41.519
Oh, I don't think it's, you know, a short term
909
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:44.480
going to be some kind of revolutionary thing. But I
910
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:50.920
think competition and seeing competition may motivate people internally inside
911
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.440
the company to do something different or at least get
912
00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:56.000
the company moving in a different direction. I think the
913
00:43:56.719 --> 00:43:59.519
stagnation is the most frustrating part about the process, at
914
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:01.320
least from at least from the outside looking in.
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00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:10.719
Yeah, I'm Kelly Wells, host of p WT Talks NXT,
916
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:13.480
the longest running NXT podcast Anywhere.
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00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:16.760
Join me, along with Nate Lindberg, Bruce Lee, Hazelwood, and
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special guests, live every Tuesday night, just minutes after NXT,
919
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:23.239
where we cover the good, the bad, and the ugly
920
00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:26.159
on the way to becoming a star in WWE. Check
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us out live on YouTube or stream later wherever you
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get your podcasts.
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00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:41.360
Right, we'll go to thanks Kyle, by the way, our
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last followers from Baltimore. We'll go to eight to six
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00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:44.960
to oh, and then we just got a note from
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Frankie is out of the tunnel and standing by. We
927
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:49.519
don't really have to worry about tunnels with outside correspondence
928
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:50.840
on the show, but when they're at MSG, we got
929
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:53.480
to worry about tunnels. But Frank is ready for us.
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00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:55.440
We'll call him soon. But eight six oh, you've been
931
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on hold this whole time. Go ahead and state your
932
00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:00.920
name and where you're calling from. Jay Harper, what do
933
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:01.119
you think?
934
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I thought macdown was an okay show tonight, and I
935
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wanted to uh kind of touch on the King of
936
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the Ring Tournament overall, and you know, combined with what
937
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they did with Chad Gable. So for the last few weeks,
938
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I personally.
939
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:16.719
Thought the King of the Ring Tournament was going very well.
940
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:18.599
I like the way it played out, you having these
941
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:23.679
outstanding matches, you know, and then even the uh, the
942
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:26.639
whole ricochet Joe finished last week. That led to the
943
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:28.559
triple threat. I had no problem with that. I'm thinking,
944
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that's the nice you know, it's a nice little twist.
945
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:32.079
I've never seen a triple dat in the tournament, you know,
946
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:36.679
no problems until they advanced Chad Gable and Elias last week,
947
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:39.920
and it was kind of like, damn. You know, there
948
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:42.800
was no excitement there for me with that, simply because
949
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:46.400
you know, Gable hasn't been pushed much. This short guy
950
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:51.800
storyline is horrible. And Elias, while I'm a fan of
951
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:55.280
his character, he you know, his ring workings are the greatest.
952
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:56.280
And so You've had.
953
00:45:56.199 --> 00:46:00.000
All this talent in this tournament and you you put
954
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Life against Chad Gable in the semi finals. Kind of
955
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:06.280
made no sense to me. But I will say I
956
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:09.119
thought Elias had is absolutely like the best match I've
957
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:10.800
seen him have. I thought he had it last week
958
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:15.400
with Ali, So you know, I'm thinking, Okay. The tournament
959
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:18.119
for me was, you know, set up perfectly for Baron
960
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:20.880
Corbin to either win, which I don't have a problem with,
961
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:24.079
or for him to be dethroned, you know, in the finals,
962
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:26.480
and I was hoping that would be from the SmackDown
963
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:30.480
side by either maybe Ali or Buddy Murphy. So I
964
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:32.559
wasn't really on board with the host Chad Gable thing.
965
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:35.840
And then tonight, you know, you find out Elias is
966
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:39.679
injured and he's gonna face Shane McMahon, and I'm thinking, okay,
967
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:44.320
you know, we all, you know, from a k fame standpoint,
968
00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:45.639
I'll say, we're supposed to hate Shane.
969
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:46.559
We don't like him.
970
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:49.960
So beating Shane, to me, I thought, would give Chad,
971
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:53.920
you know, at least some momentum from from the fans
972
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:58.039
reaction standpoint, because right now he comes out to no
973
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.519
reaction I think most of the time, even though he's
974
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:02.719
a great worker. So you think, okay, you put him
975
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:05.199
over Shane. But I feel like, and I'm gonna, you know,
976
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:08.079
not Bablon too much longer here, but I feel like
977
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:12.840
tonight Chad Win and the whole thing played second fiddle
978
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:17.280
to Shane and Ko and so I just felt like
979
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:19.920
they did such great work with the him Marine Tournament
980
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:21.920
the last you know, three three weeks or whatever it was,
981
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.679
and then just this last week on the SmackDown side,
982
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:27.639
between having Gable and Elias, of all people in the
983
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.880
semi semifinals, and then what they did Chad Gable tonight,
984
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:34.599
just give it for him, to let him have a
985
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:36.840
great hero run with it, I mean, because yeah, I
986
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:39.840
just nik it's and and one more thing, I don't
987
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:41.920
know why I thought the finals were going to be
988
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:44.360
in Classic Champions I don't know if they had actually
989
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:47.159
said that, but you know, they throw it on Raw,
990
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:49.000
which I don't know, maybe four ratings loose, but I
991
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:51.000
feel like that kind of takes away from the prestige. Also,
992
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:52.559
like it's, oh, it's not good enough to be on
993
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:55.400
pay per view. So I don't know, I'm disappointed at
994
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:57.239
how it ended up playing out this whole tournament.
995
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:01.800
Yeah, Jake, your thoughts on Yeah, we've been focused on,
996
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:04.639
you know, the just the destruction of Kevin Owen's character.
997
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:07.559
I mean, it's it's almost like they're bearing him because
998
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:09.280
he didn't sign a renewal and he's going to a
999
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:13.000
w It's it's stunning that he is their asset and
1000
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:15.440
they are doing this to him because I don't think
1001
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:17.320
he's an effect a baby face overheel coming out of this.
1002
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:20.360
I mean, I just think he's wrecked and he's so talented,
1003
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:22.039
but I don't think he can, I don't. I don't
1004
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:23.559
believe he can talk his way out of the damage
1005
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:25.480
done in this. I think it's one of the worst
1006
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:27.880
things that's been done to a WWE main event wrestler
1007
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.239
that I can remember. I mean, the stupidity of the
1008
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:31.880
rains Row and Brian thing. I mean, that was just
1009
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:33.719
stupid to watch. But I don't know that Brian and
1010
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:38.320
Roman were necessarily damaged by it. Kevin Owens owns it's
1011
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:40.519
just it's amazing. So but yeah, we talked a lot
1012
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:43.559
about that. But the what about Chack Gable and just
1013
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:46.239
what they did with the King of the Ring and
1014
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:49.119
how this sets up the finals because it did seem
1015
00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:51.719
to this is all about Chaine and Ko and and it,
1016
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:53.840
you know, the idea of Gable having a chance to
1017
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:55.639
have this Cinderella story of his own and when King
1018
00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:57.360
of the Ring definitely took a backseat.
1019
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:00.159
Yeah, I mean, the whole who done his storyline and
1020
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:03.679
was it was stupid And but I don't it didn't
1021
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:07.960
feel like the same level of character assassination like they
1022
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:11.400
did with Kevin Owens, And I do think they were
1023
00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:15.239
presented with an issue with Elias, you know, having a
1024
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:19.519
legitimate ankle injury, and they were going to be reintroducing
1025
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:22.440
Shade the Command on this show after being gone for
1026
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:24.639
several weeks, which I believe it was reported he was
1027
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:25.719
on Jerry duty or something.
1028
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:26.159
I don't know.
1029
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:29.480
I don't even know if that's real, but uh, at
1030
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:31.880
the end of the day, like they had an opportunity
1031
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:33.920
and they decided to try to kill two birds with
1032
00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:38.320
one stone, and I think they they managed to kill
1033
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:40.880
the birds, but it wasn't you know, it wasn't clean.
1034
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:44.800
You know, it didn't come across well for either Chad Gable.
1035
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:46.880
And of course, you know, we've already beaten the Kevin
1036
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:50.480
Owens situation to death, and I you know, I don't
1037
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:53.199
think Chad Gable loses a whole lot here because he didn't,
1038
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:57.519
you know, he was already pretty far down in terms
1039
00:49:57.519 --> 00:49:59.519
of where he had been recently in terms of storyline.
1040
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.840
I mean that the short jokes and everything else. But yeah,
1041
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:06.559
Owen's definitely got the worst of this in a way
1042
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:10.760
that few WWE storylines have really beaten somebody down. You know.
1043
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:16.079
It's one of those deconstructing a guy moments where you're
1044
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:18.480
just like, we have no idea what he stands for.
1045
00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:20.400
Anymore. And that's a problem that a lot of ww
1046
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:21.159
WE characters have.
1047
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.679
But you know, Kevin Owens has been much higher profile
1048
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:27.000
than most of the other characters we talk about in
1049
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:28.760
that context, and so I.
1050
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:30.760
Hope it goes well for Gable.
1051
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:32.800
You know, I think he's a talented guy. I think
1052
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:35.599
I hope they snap out of it with the short
1053
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:39.039
guy shtick. But the you know, the more crowds cheer
1054
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:41.679
for him, the more the people backstage will be convinced
1055
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:44.280
that it's their short guy stick the shtick that's making
1056
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:48.159
that happen. And it's kind of this self reinforcing problem.
1057
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:50.519
But I've said from the beginning when we were, when
1058
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:53.039
Jason and I were, you know, talking about this King
1059
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:55.360
of the Ring tournament, it seemed designed to get a
1060
00:50:55.400 --> 00:51:00.119
heel over because they desperately needed a strong heel in
1061
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.760
a sense WrestleMania. They just haven't had one other than
1062
00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:06.000
you know, brock Lesnar to rely on. And so I'm
1063
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:08.599
assuming Baron Corbyn's going to get the win next Monday,
1064
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:12.559
but you know, we'll see what shakes out. I don't think,
1065
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:15.599
you know, given the way that this has gone down
1066
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:18.679
with the you know, with the last minute replacement with Shane,
1067
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:20.840
and then the kind of the klue G booking of
1068
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:23.880
the Triple Thread and the tournament. You know, I don't
1069
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:25.039
know if it's going to have the same kind of
1070
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:27.679
impact that it would have it remained a singles tournament
1071
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:28.400
throughout that thing.
1072
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:31.360
Yeah, yeah, I think they They got a little cute
1073
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:34.159
with some of the booking and sometimes a lot. Most
1074
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:36.599
of the time, straightforward works best because you can do
1075
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:38.920
it straightforward. It's like, if you're a good writer, you
1076
00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:41.559
don't need to use a bunch of symbols and special
1077
00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:44.280
fonts and stylized words. You can just write straight out
1078
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:47.360
and let your words do the talking. And with booking,
1079
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:48.960
I feel the same way. If you've got wrestlers who
1080
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:51.079
are over and you've you've been in, their characters have
1081
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.880
been built with there's integrity to their characters. And I
1082
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:55.719
don't mean that in a following the rules way, but
1083
00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:58.519
there's a consistent integrity to the heels. They act a
1084
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:00.519
certain way based on the certain that as they're in
1085
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:03.320
and same with the faces, and people care about them
1086
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:04.719
winning and losing, you don't have to do all this
1087
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:08.639
other stuff and and it'll work so and you you
1088
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:13.079
it continues to be ever counterproductive to put promoters or
1089
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:16.239
sons of promoters in in the ring or in authority,
1090
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:19.599
in positions of authority. It's just it's I mean, it'll
1091
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:21.559
be a story to watch with the e vps over
1092
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:25.519
at ae W and see how how how that plays out.
1093
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:28.159
But again, it just seemed like everything was about Shane tonight,
1094
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:29.960
and it should have been about the story in Journey
1095
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:31.440
that chat Gable is on. It should have been about
1096
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:33.559
the King of the Ring tournament. I did enjoy Shane
1097
00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:35.840
telling a backstage worker on headset that he wants the
1098
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:38.760
crowd to fit his head perfectly. That was a nice
1099
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:41.679
comedic moment. I appreciated that. But yeah, in the end,
1100
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:45.000
people were thinking about Shane and not and and Kevin
1101
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.719
Owens was awful and destroyed and and not Gable. And
1102
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:49.800
this should have been Gable's night, even with the audio,
1103
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:53.760
even with having a change course with Elias Jay. Appreciate that.
1104
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:54.800
Any closing words for.
1105
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:58.480
You, Oh yeah, just before I go what you said
1106
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:00.840
about you know, we're all thinking about Shane now instead
1107
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:04.199
of Gable. I was just touch briefly on the you
1108
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.159
know there. You guys talked about it a little last
1109
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:10.599
night with their lack of effort in building new stars
1110
00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:14.920
and you know you're pushing newer guys on television. But
1111
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:18.679
we're left with, you know, Gable's gone and the show
1112
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:22.719
ended with uh, you know, ko Or being fired by Shane,
1113
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:25.000
and you know, kind of remind me of last night.
1114
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:29.079
Gablesn't haveter thought last night. And I'll say I loved
1115
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:32.400
Austin last night. He was my god, I mean he
1116
00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:35.599
was he was so cold, you know. But when when
1117
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:39.360
Cedric got the pinfall, the glass shet right away, like
1118
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:42.639
they just play the music for two seconds. It's like,
1119
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:45.280
do you want to build new stars or don't you
1120
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:47.320
you want to? It's all about the mcmands. It's all
1121
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:51.079
about the legends. It's it, you know. So I don't
1122
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:54.199
know that, you know, I just hope they It's like
1123
00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:55.800
vince me. You know, I'm not there.
1124
00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:56.400
What do I know?
1125
00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:58.840
But it's like, you know, you have guys coming along
1126
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:02.559
saying let's push these newer, younger talent, but thick man.
1127
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:04.960
You know, steps up and says, oh wait, you know, has.
1128
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:06.880
Be about stone colde or has be about saying or
1129
00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:07.960
you know, he'll.
1130
00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:09.039
Let you do only so much.
1131
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:11.719
Yeah, So that's all that's all I got.
1132
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:15.679
Guys, Thanks, thanks, Ja appreciate it. As always, give yourself
1133
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1149
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:16.679
Todd Martin in all the years he's done The Fix
1150
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:19.920
podcast with me midweek for VIP members, I don't think
1151
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.840
he's ever texted me and said what he wants to
1152
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:24.800
talk about first. In fact, it's kind of running joke
1153
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:27.039
in our production meetings because I like try to go
1154
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:29.159
to him into taking a stand and picking what we
1155
00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:31.000
go first with, and he never will. He's like, whatever
1156
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:33.480
you want. Wait, whatever you want. He texted me a
1157
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:38.239
few minutes ago and said, I and I quote here,
1158
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:41.920
we're talking about that final segment first this week. So
1159
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:44.599
I think he's got something to say all right, to.
1160
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:48.159
Probably be a eulogy for Kevin Owens if he agrees
1161
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:49.000
with what we're talking about.
1162
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:52.639
Well, Todd is as big a proponent of Kevin Owens upside,
1163
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:54.559
or used to be, you know, until the summer and
1164
00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:57.880
until the last few months especially, And I think he's
1165
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:00.360
pretty worked up right now because Ko would be one
1166
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:02.639
of his first a year ago, and two years ago
1167
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:04.119
and three years ago, Kevin Owens would have been one
1168
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:06.039
of his top draft picks, if in terms of the
1169
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:08.840
most valuable guy to have on your roster, and it's
1170
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:12.920
it's just stunning. We might be beating a dead horse
1171
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:14.519
to you. You know, you brought that cliche up and
1172
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:18.360
it deserves more of a beating. I mean, this was
1173
00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:20.599
this was a dead horse of an angle that that
1174
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:24.719
needs to be just anyway, all right, let's cut to
1175
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:28.880
a break, come back and uh, and then we'll talk
1176
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:30.960
to Frank Petty and and get his take on this
1177
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:33.760
and and what happened in the building. I am eager
1178
00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:38.239
to hear about crowd responses for h for koffee and uh.
1179
00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:40.480
Heck the the Shane Kevin Owens thing and how engaged
1180
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:43.400
the fans were. And so we'll talk to him after this,
1181
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:45.639
and then after that our mail bank segment. So if
1182
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:48.760
you're listening on our live stream, you can still email
1183
00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:51.039
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1184
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:55.440
Keller podcast at ptew torch dot com. A Waight Keller
1185
00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:58.519
podcast at petew torch dot com. Over on the Blue
1186
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:00.960
Brand later this week. Jason Paul from Progressing dot Net
1187
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:03.079
on the Thursday flag Ship and then Friday, I'm joined
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by ex creative team member Matt McCarthy to preview the clash.
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And I always feel like I'm back in the nineties
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when I say preview the clash. It's kind of cool.
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00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:15.280
And then also talk about other things with Matt. I'm
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00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:16.760
eager to talk to him. We've been trying to schedule
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00:57:16.760 --> 00:57:18.519
the show with him. For the last month or so.
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00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:20.480
It's so much going on with ae W and the
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00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:23.360
NXT Wednesday Night move, so we'll get his take on
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00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:25.480
all of that, and as an ex writer, his take
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00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:30.440
on WWE's horriendous storytelling Unsmackdown in particular the last month
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00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:33.280
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00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:55.400
up with Frank on the phone here and talking to him.
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All right, we are back with our on site correspond
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00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:00.960
and Frank petty Ani, who is a PW Torch contributor
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writing the best in the business raw previews and Spackcound
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00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:07.440
previews every Monday and Tuesday afternoon. Frank, you attended it
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00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:12.199
SmackDown at MSG tonight. Overall impression of fun experience, Did
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00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:14.599
it feel like a special occasion or are you kind
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00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:16.440
of let down at the final product?
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00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:18.519
I mean it was fine mostly I mean I was
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00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:21.480
talking to my wife about it, and you know, I
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00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:23.880
mean we enjoyed it and everything like that, but like
1215
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:26.639
it didn't feel like a Madison Square Gardens show, you
1216
00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:28.800
know what I mean, Like you and I grew up
1217
00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:31.639
watching shows at Madison Square Garden and it was a
1218
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:33.679
different feel, you know, when they were there, you do
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00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:37.000
it was a special event, and it didn't really feel
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00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:39.559
that way tonight. It was. It was bad, you know,
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00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:42.360
but I mean, you know, listen, every role and every
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00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:44.719
SmackDown looks the same. They have the same titan tron,
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00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:46.639
you know, things of that sort, so it kind of
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00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:49.519
doesn't make it stand out. But I mean still at
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00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:51.760
the end of the day, it was fine, and I
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00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:53.760
would say overall, we enjoyed our experience.
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00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:57.800
How was the crowd You did not attend raw right, No? Yeah,
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00:58:57.920 --> 00:58:59.000
we did. Yeah, yeah, so.
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00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:02.760
That that was an easy decision.
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00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:03.039
It was.
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00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:05.039
It smacked down all the way.
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00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:08.800
Yeah, serving sides, yes, So so we can't compare the
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00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:10.599
crowds from the same set of ice. But how how
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00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:15.039
full was the building tonight? How many empty seats were visible,
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00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:17.159
not counting those you know, blocked by the stage.
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00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:19.559
It was it was a handful of empty seats. Like
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00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:21.880
on our side, we were on the hard camera side,
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00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:26.159
so there were there was sporadic sections of empty seats.
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00:59:26.559 --> 00:59:28.440
And on the other side, we think that you know,
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00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:31.239
people would want to be on camera, as as Aaron
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00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:34.199
was pointing out, there were a lot of sections that
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00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:36.920
were empty, and it was like on the other side
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00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:39.559
by completely like on the opposite side of the Titan Tron,
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00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:42.320
there was one section that was blocked off, and we
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00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:44.079
thought maybe something was going to happen, maybe there was
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00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:46.639
going to be some kind of an angle, and nothing
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00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:48.599
took place. So I don't, you know, I don't know
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00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:53.039
what that was all about. But it's eighteen five the
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00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:59.079
capacity i'd say about sixteen maybe you know something like that.
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01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.000
Well, I think they block about three four thousand seats
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01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:03.760
off just with a staging, so I would I would
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01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:05.840
think that that would mean every seat of elbow was packed,
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01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:07.239
unless you're saying it's eighteen to five.
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01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:13.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, behind the behind the Titan Tron. Yeah,
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01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:16.000
I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, you know you're gonna
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01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:18.320
have those. And then like the on the like on
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01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:20.360
the way on the upper deck, like the Chase bridge,
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01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:22.639
which is normally open for like the range of games
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01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:24.760
and the nick games and stuff like that. None of
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01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:27.000
those seats sold. You know, there were some people that
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01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:30.079
were like they were like standing room only or whatever,
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01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:33.800
and those like when I was looking at the tickets,
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01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:36.480
those were available, but I think people bought, you know,
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01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:39.000
the better seat. They weren't gonna you know, stand up,
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01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:40.480
you know, way at the top, but like the view
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01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:44.039
was obstructive and things like that for those seats empty too.
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01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:47.719
So interesting. Yeah, all right, Jake, why don't you ask
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01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:50.000
Frank a question about smackel tonight.
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01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:55.400
I'm curious just as a TV viewer, I the Undertaker's
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01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:59.760
segment was not particularly interesting to me, and I know
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01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:04.400
it's typically a lot more special to see him in person,
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01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:06.920
But outside of you know, just the you know, the
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01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:11.159
initial reaction to the Undertaker making his entrance and all
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01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:14.039
the pageantry that goes along with that, was there, you know,
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01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:15.320
much of a reaction in the.
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01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:16.519
Building for what he was saying.
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I mean, it was just kind of this, you know,
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01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:22.480
very focused on respect type of promo, and it didn't
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01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:24.320
seem like the crowd was really hanging on all of
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01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:25.239
his words.
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01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:29.559
Yeah, I mean I would agree with that, but I
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01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:32.280
think they were still I think there was still for
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01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:35.320
the Boss of Art into it. Uh it's kind of
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01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:35.880
a weird noise.
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01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:36.679
I don't if that was me.
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01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:43.679
Or or anyway. No, I mean they were still into it.
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01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:48.079
They weren't hanging on every word, but they were still
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you know, anytime he finished the sentence, you know, like
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heroes were born here and you know, all of that
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stuff that there was. Uh, it was a pretty good
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01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:59.480
at Mamaate hearing. So I would say, you know, and
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01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:01.400
we were talking about this on the way out. I
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01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:05.960
think that most people were there, truthfully to see the Undertaker.
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01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:08.880
I'm not sure that they would have sold as many
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01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:12.960
seats unless you know, the Undertaker was there, you know,
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01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:15.079
unless they put somebody else. I don't know. It's hard
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to say, but I think that's the reason that a
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01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:22.559
lot of people showed up. So, yeah, not a tremendously
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01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:25.800
interesting promo, but they were still I would still say
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01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:28.400
they were hanging with it pretty much all the way through.
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01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:33.119
Who who was the most over active babyface on the
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01:02:33.199 --> 01:02:36.480
show tonight? I mean there wasn't a ton to choose from,
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01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:39.360
but yeah, who who jumped out to you? And at
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01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:42.199
what level were they over Initially?
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01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:46.840
I would have said the undertaker. But after the ball,
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01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:51.480
as the ball unfolded with Rowan, I would say Roman reigns.
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01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:54.159
And I was really surprised about that because I figured
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01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:58.239
New York City, I figured you would still get the
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01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:01.440
uh the fifty to fifty you know, booze, and and
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01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:04.320
you know, it made me even more booze like John
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01:03:04.360 --> 01:03:07.559
ZENI used to get anytime he crawled into New York.
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01:03:08.119 --> 01:03:10.159
But it wasn't like that at all. I mean, uh,
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01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:13.079
as the brawl unfolded and as they went up the stage,
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01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:15.679
you can hear a pretty good you can hear a
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01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:22.239
pretty good Roman chance. So at that point I would say, Roman, how.
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01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:25.280
Did Kofe do? In terms of crowd response.
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01:03:26.599 --> 01:03:30.960
Koffe was Cofee was over, definitely over. Yeah, I think uh,
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01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:33.920
I think a lot of people. I think a lot
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01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:37.159
of people remembered the match from ten years ago. I
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01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:39.960
think a lot of people, uh remember the spot. I
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01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:43.920
know I remembered it for Shore and uh yeah, that
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01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:46.639
was a pretty That was a pretty significant time because
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01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:51.679
Aaron actually started watching around that time, so we remembered,
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01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:54.039
you know, when Kofe had that match with Randy and
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01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:56.280
I remember like a lot of conversations we would have.
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01:03:56.360 --> 01:03:58.599
Through the years, we always said, Gee, I wonder if
1327
01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:00.679
Kofe just got a Mean Invents spot once, you know,
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01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:02.840
I wonder if you got the old title. You know,
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01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:04.280
what would it be like? And here we are.
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01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:06.559
You know it took ten years, right, but.
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01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:11.559
Here we are. But what kind of crowd was definitely
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01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:15.760
into him?
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01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:19.119
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How did the crowd respond to Randy relative to Kobe? Because,
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01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:36.840
I mean, Randy gets baby face pops, he's a legacy star,
1361
01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:40.760
he got to swear, he's got the cool finishing move.
1362
01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:43.679
He made some pretty good points to Kobe. Hey, that
1363
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:45.719
was ten years ago. Think of all I've done since then.
1364
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:48.679
Kobe didn't get a chance to rebot him verbally. I mean,
1365
01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:50.559
did did Randy went over the crowd? Were there people
1366
01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:53.039
cheering form or was this a crowd that was really,
1367
01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:56.079
you know, like you said, they're chairing Roman so it
1368
01:05:56.400 --> 01:05:59.119
may be they're a compliant crowd that's sort of just
1369
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:02.079
going along with with the framework of the characters.
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01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:05.159
I don't nah. I don't think they were cheering. Uh.
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01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:07.039
I don't think they were sharing him at all. I
1372
01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:09.639
think they were he was getting a lot of heat.
1373
01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:13.039
The stupid stupid stupid stuff really helped, yeah, to help
1374
01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:16.519
get him the heat. Even though I'll be honest with you,
1375
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:18.760
I'm not a particular fan of that. I think it's
1376
01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:20.760
and as I wrought up my primer today, it's not
1377
01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:24.320
getting annoying. It is annoying, you know, But I think
1378
01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:27.079
that helped when he as he was doing the stupid,
1379
01:06:27.119 --> 01:06:30.960
stupid stupid stuff and we actually we actually couldn't find
1380
01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:31.960
him for it was like where is he?
1381
01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:32.440
Where is he?
1382
01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:35.679
Because it was really weird. The Titan tron went out
1383
01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:39.280
when I don't know if that day TV, but the
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01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:43.360
Titan tron went out when he was you know, when
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01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:46.199
WW was showing the table spot in two thousand and nine,
1386
01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:49.400
the Titan tron went out and I thought, oh, maybe
1387
01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:51.639
you know, Randy did that. You know, maybe Randy did that.
1388
01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:55.000
And then you know, as Kofe's talking, he's gonna come
1389
01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:57.199
back on and that wasn't it at all. I guess
1390
01:06:57.239 --> 01:06:59.760
maybe they just had technical issues or whatever. But uh,
1391
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:02.239
you know, as he started doing that, as he was
1392
01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:04.880
making his points, he was getting he was getting a
1393
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:08.000
pretty good amount of heat from from the crowd. He
1394
01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:09.880
wasn't getting that usual And I know what you're talking
1395
01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:13.280
about too with Randy, because even as a heel, he
1396
01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:16.880
does get that that handful of cheers, and I don't
1397
01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:19.039
sense he was getting that at all. You know, he
1398
01:07:19.119 --> 01:07:24.000
was the crowd was definitely definitely against him, definitely in
1399
01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:27.199
favor of KOFE. And you know, they ate it up
1400
01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:29.519
when he went out, he ran out into the table spot,
1401
01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:31.400
they completely hit it up.
1402
01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:33.679
Jake go out with another question for Frank.
1403
01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:37.920
Yeah, I'm curious about the the women's segment and match
1404
01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:42.599
from a live perspective, I guess the you know, the
1405
01:07:42.639 --> 01:07:46.039
Bailey character has been a point of contention, you know, online,
1406
01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:49.480
and I mean even when we were discussing it earlier
1407
01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:52.119
about how people feel about it, did you get a
1408
01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:54.760
sense that people were really into the Charlotte and and
1409
01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:58.440
and Bailey feud or were they as luke am about
1410
01:07:58.440 --> 01:07:59.079
it as we were.
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01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:04.400
I would say the crowd was moved warm about bailing,
1412
01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:08.360
and I don't know, and I'll have to listen to
1413
01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:10.719
the show tomorrow. Here what you're talking points where, But
1414
01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:13.800
I don't know if they just don't know how to
1415
01:08:13.880 --> 01:08:16.520
take the turn right now, if it even is a turn,
1416
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:20.520
because like I turned around one of the guys behind me,
1417
01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:22.600
you know, we were chatting a little bit throughout the night,
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01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:25.960
and I said, this is the weirdest heel turn that
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01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:28.920
I've ever seen, and the guy's responsible. I don't even
1420
01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:32.319
think it's a heel turn. And I'm like, I don't know,
1421
01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:34.840
maybe maybe it isn't. Maybe you know, I don't know
1422
01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:38.119
what they're doing. But overall, with the character, I don't
1423
01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:40.319
think they were into it at all. I don't think
1424
01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:42.800
they I don't think they were into her, and I
1425
01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:45.319
don't think they knew how to take her. And with Charlotte,
1426
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:48.079
she got a positive reaction. I mean, it wouldn't call
1427
01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:51.079
her pop, you know, as Roman God or Undertaker got
1428
01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:54.319
or anything like that, but she was getting a pretty
1429
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:57.199
good reaction. And I don't I would think maybe that's
1430
01:08:57.239 --> 01:09:00.560
because it's New York and it's a flair she's gonna
1431
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:04.520
get cheered. But yeah, overall with Bailey. I would I
1432
01:09:04.520 --> 01:09:06.840
would say some's like I'm in the middle because I
1433
01:09:06.960 --> 01:09:08.000
just didn't know how to take it.
1434
01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:13.000
Do do you think the crowd bought into Chad Gable
1435
01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:16.000
or were they more preoccupied what was going on with
1436
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:19.319
Ko and Shane? And describe the the eb and flow
1437
01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:20.800
with the emotions in the building during that.
1438
01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:27.279
Well, let's see. Yeah, as my wife is laughing, what
1439
01:09:27.680 --> 01:09:30.800
chance did we get? We got CM punk and we
1440
01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:36.279
got a e w this is boring, you suck, you
1441
01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:39.720
can't wrestle. What are the chants that about it? Yeah?
1442
01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:40.680
That was pretty much.
1443
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:43.720
No, No, that was pretty much. I someone could say
1444
01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:45.680
that's a success. Shane was getting heal heat. He calls
1445
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:48.079
himself best in the world chancer pelting with sea On Punk.
1446
01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:52.039
Was this like genuine heal heat or was this this
1447
01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:53.800
we don't want to see you wrestling? We were hoping
1448
01:09:53.800 --> 01:09:54.439
for something else.
1449
01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:56.319
I think it's the ladder.
1450
01:09:56.479 --> 01:09:57.840
Yeah, I think it's the ladder.
1451
01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:01.720
And and and Eric could tell you, you know, she
1452
01:10:01.880 --> 01:10:11.359
actually used to like shamee and she now sorry we
1453
01:10:11.439 --> 01:10:13.399
forgot to mute the guidance on the uh.
1454
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:20.279
Now you know Bruce Mitchell with his alerts, right.
1455
01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:23.159
Yeah, I know. And oh, by the way, by the way,
1456
01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:26.199
I request that your dog is a part of the
1457
01:10:26.199 --> 01:10:29.399
Fix every week that when you when your dog, when
1458
01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:30.239
your dog walked.
1459
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:31.960
About, I was like, oh, that's awesome, that's great.
1460
01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:34.000
And the cat too. I'm like, this is great.
1461
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:36.279
This is uh, this is amazing.
1462
01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:39.119
Take that.
1463
01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:41.800
So take that, Cody and Pharaoh.
1464
01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:43.800
Yeah, right right there you go.
1465
01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:45.119
Oh god, that's that whole thing.
1466
01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:48.600
No, no, I'm glad you don't you Pyro for the fix.
1467
01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:50.359
That would be that would be better.
1468
01:10:53.800 --> 01:10:58.000
I what's that I was talking about you and Shane.
1469
01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:01.119
Oh yeah, yeah, I could tell you that. You know, yeah,
1470
01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:03.159
she used to like him. She doesn't like him anymore.
1471
01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:07.199
And that's because he's pretty much worn out as welcome,
1472
01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:10.520
you know what I mean over the past, you know,
1473
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:12.680
ever since he turned heel. He's on TV every week.
1474
01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:14.399
I mean, he hasn't been in the last couple of weeks,
1475
01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:16.840
but I think he's worn out as welcome. I think
1476
01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:19.600
the fact that he can't wrestle the punches look horrible,
1477
01:11:20.439 --> 01:11:22.840
you know, And I think I even saw it in
1478
01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:25.079
your report about you know, Chad should be happy that
1479
01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:27.960
he has to wrestle a a fifty year old, you know,
1480
01:11:28.159 --> 01:11:32.479
like he shouldn't be uh, he shouldn't be disappointed, But uh, yeah,
1481
01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:34.720
I think they were more. I think they were more
1482
01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:37.600
concentrated on that. You know, we got some this is
1483
01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:42.239
bs you know when uh, when Kevin was was slow
1484
01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:44.800
counting and things of that sort. So yeah, definitely more
1485
01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:46.680
on the side of that than uh, I don't know
1486
01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:49.640
happy happy for the gable, don't get me wrong, but
1487
01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:52.039
more into that story than anything else.
1488
01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:54.239
What how did the how did it play in the
1489
01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:57.720
building with Kevin Owens at first looking to to give
1490
01:11:57.720 --> 01:11:59.520
Shane a piece of his own medicine and how do
1491
01:11:59.600 --> 01:12:02.760
the crowd to that and then did anything We didn't
1492
01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:05.399
get a sense on television of why Kevin Owens went
1493
01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:08.640
from I don't care about my my kids college education.
1494
01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:10.199
I'll find another way to pay for it. I'm not
1495
01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:12.760
gonna play, I'm not gonna do what Shane orders me
1496
01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:14.199
to do, and I'm not gonna be as Patsy And
1497
01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:17.159
then suddenly he's like, ah, yeah, I better think about
1498
01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:19.319
I better quote think about my family and my job
1499
01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:21.399
and do the right thing. Was there any kind of
1500
01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:23.840
transition in the building and how did fans deal with that?
1501
01:12:24.199 --> 01:12:26.439
What appeared on TV to be a pretty jarring change
1502
01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:31.239
in his his his will, his willingness to play by
1503
01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:32.159
Shane's rules.
1504
01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:34.720
Well, it was weird because it was like a little
1505
01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:37.119
bit of walkward silence, like it was nothing going on.
1506
01:12:37.199 --> 01:12:42.199
So I figured they went to break and then they said, well,
1507
01:12:42.279 --> 01:12:45.880
I assume that on TV Shane said that the Smashes
1508
01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:47.119
now two out of three falls?
1509
01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:48.359
Is that on television? Yep?
1510
01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:50.159
Yep, okay it was?
1511
01:12:50.680 --> 01:12:52.479
Now was Kevin.
1512
01:12:52.159 --> 01:12:55.720
Owens going to Greg Hamilton and Greg Hamilton having to
1513
01:12:55.720 --> 01:12:57.720
make the announcement that it's two out of three falls?
1514
01:12:57.720 --> 01:12:59.479
With that on TV? I assume that was not?
1515
01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:01.880
I don't think so, Jake, do you remember that?
1516
01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:02.119
No?
1517
01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:03.600
That was that was not? Okay?
1518
01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:06.479
Yeah, yeah, okay, So I think there was. I think
1519
01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:08.560
there was a verb. There was a little verbal exchange.
1520
01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:10.600
I mean, from where we were sitting, we couldn't tell,
1521
01:13:11.199 --> 01:13:14.199
but I'm assuming that it was something like a like
1522
01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:17.359
a Shawn Michael's JBL from two thousand and eight, you know,
1523
01:13:17.359 --> 01:13:19.359
when they ran that angle when Sean lost all his
1524
01:13:19.439 --> 01:13:22.000
money and things of that sort. It was some kind
1525
01:13:22.039 --> 01:13:27.960
of exchange where like, if you know, if Kevin did
1526
01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:31.239
didn't do the right thing for Shane, that you would
1527
01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:34.800
end up being fired, so you know, there was that,
1528
01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:37.439
and then he went over like Kevin went to Greg Hamilton.
1529
01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:40.159
Greg Hamilton made the announcement, which your thought was a
1530
01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:43.239
little odd because Shane had said it anyway, so we
1531
01:13:43.319 --> 01:13:45.920
figured by Shane saying it was two out of free falls.
1532
01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:48.439
So then after that, you know, you saw what you saw.
1533
01:13:48.479 --> 01:13:52.039
And then obviously he got you know, quote unquote fire
1534
01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:55.359
at at the end of the show. So I'm assuming
1535
01:13:55.359 --> 01:13:57.880
there was some kind of, uh, some kind of discussion
1536
01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:02.920
after shamee then announcement between that and between Kevin going
1537
01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:04.560
to uh Greg Hamilton.
1538
01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:07.920
Did the fans like pop big for Kevin Owens when
1539
01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:09.199
he came out, or were they on the edge of
1540
01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:11.920
their seat wondering how he'd react? And I mean, to me,
1541
01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:15.439
it just it feels like a complete, a complete betrayal
1542
01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:18.560
of of what he stood for in that first round.
1543
01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:22.079
I can't imagine what Shane told Kevin Owens to justify
1544
01:14:22.680 --> 01:14:25.640
Kevin Owens turning on him. That would be within the
1545
01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:29.319
realm of of you know, reasonable storytelling and professional wrestling.
1546
01:14:29.359 --> 01:14:31.279
I mean, if if Shane said I've got you know,
1547
01:14:31.359 --> 01:14:34.720
sixteen puppies that I'm gonna drown if you don't, if
1548
01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:38.000
you don't you know, side with me and as someone
1549
01:14:38.119 --> 01:14:40.239
standing by behind the scenes. I mean, that's the kind
1550
01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:41.920
of story they'd have to tell for Kevin Owens to
1551
01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:44.479
then later explain that. But that doesn't fit wrestling. Other
1552
01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:46.840
than that, I'm not quite sure what would explain Kevin
1553
01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:48.119
Owens' turn.
1554
01:14:48.600 --> 01:14:51.119
Yeah, I don't know. They didn't really like when Kevin
1555
01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:53.359
Owens first came out, they didn't pop for him at all.
1556
01:14:54.199 --> 01:14:58.479
And when they like, it was weird, like when the
1557
01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:02.479
fans count was made, everybody popped, but that that everybody
1558
01:15:02.520 --> 01:15:03.960
popped for. But it was a little odd to me
1559
01:15:03.960 --> 01:15:05.840
because I'm looking at my clock and it's you know,
1560
01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:08.880
it's nine forty eight, and I'm saying, nah, it's not
1561
01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:10.840
you know what I mean, like, it's not you. So
1562
01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:14.760
that doesn't that that doesn't make any sense. And then
1563
01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:18.640
you know what what uh, what happened happened with the
1564
01:15:18.720 --> 01:15:22.479
exchange and then uh, that's when I think people honestly,
1565
01:15:22.520 --> 01:15:25.239
I think people just didn't understand what was going on
1566
01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:28.079
kind of to your point, and that's when all the
1567
01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:29.920
chants started. That's when we were getting the you know,
1568
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:31.640
e w CF.
1569
01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:32.880
Blah blah blah blah blah.
1570
01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:35.680
I think people just didn't understand what was going on
1571
01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:38.800
and then uh, you know obviously going to tap out
1572
01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:41.840
and you know you're fired, so we'll see what happens there.
1573
01:15:42.199 --> 01:15:46.199
So yeah, just a it's a lot of confusion that
1574
01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:52.600
the story.
1575
01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:55.600
You don't have to wait for the Weight Killer Progressling
1576
01:15:55.600 --> 01:15:57.560
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1577
01:15:57.600 --> 01:15:59.720
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01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:03.079
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01:16:03.399 --> 01:16:06.840
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1580
01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:09.119
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1581
01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:12.079
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1582
01:16:12.199 --> 01:16:16.000
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1583
01:16:16.039 --> 01:16:18.239
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01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:23.279
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1585
01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:25.640
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01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:28.359
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1587
01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:30.800
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1589
01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:37.720
Check it out pw torch dot com your first stop
1590
01:16:37.880 --> 01:16:52.399
for TV and pay per view written reports, Jake, anything
1591
01:16:52.439 --> 01:16:53.720
else you want to ask the frame?
1592
01:16:54.319 --> 01:16:56.680
No, I can't think of anything else. Actually, I think
1593
01:16:56.680 --> 01:16:59.279
most of the rest of the show is unfortunately pretty forgettable.
1594
01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:02.319
I'll ask quick, did have you Machinery get a get
1595
01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:03.760
a nice pop coming out? Did it seemed like the
1596
01:17:03.880 --> 01:17:05.760
MSc crowd was into them.
1597
01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:09.560
I'm glad you asked that question because yes, and this
1598
01:17:09.680 --> 01:17:12.039
is a question that was posed to you in the
1599
01:17:12.359 --> 01:17:16.760
hotline the other day about squash matches and the heavy
1600
01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:20.439
Machinery match. Was really a case for putting those squash
1601
01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:23.239
matches on TV, you know, because they get to come out.
1602
01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:26.319
They did their entrance, they were actually fairly over. I
1603
01:17:26.600 --> 01:17:29.520
would say, uh, you know, not roaming or undertake girls,
1604
01:17:29.560 --> 01:17:32.880
but they were fairly over and uh you know when
1605
01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:35.880
they were doing their moves, they people were into where
1606
01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:40.439
people bought it. People bought if they like him. He's funny, entertaining,
1607
01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:43.600
you know, and uh, you know, you got to see
1608
01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:47.359
you know what four or five minutes of them doing
1609
01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:50.640
their stuff, and the crowd genuinely popped when they won.
1610
01:17:51.239 --> 01:17:54.439
So I think it's a good case to have a
1611
01:17:54.439 --> 01:17:56.279
few of those, uh you know, a few more of
1612
01:17:56.279 --> 01:17:59.800
those matches uh, you know on television because they weren't.
1613
01:18:00.439 --> 01:18:02.800
Yeah, yep, did you get there in time to see
1614
01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:04.199
what happened before smacked on What Live?
1615
01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:09.119
Yeah, we apparently got there. We we barely made it
1616
01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:14.760
was ally and yeah, Alli got a pretty good pop.
1617
01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:18.600
Bunny Murphy got a decent reaction. I'm not sure people
1618
01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:22.720
know how to take him yet, but they had a
1619
01:18:22.720 --> 01:18:25.760
pretty good match. We we got in about uh four
1620
01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:29.880
or five minutes in and uh, Allie went over and
1621
01:18:30.039 --> 01:18:32.840
uh to a nice reaction and then they they ended
1622
01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:37.479
up shaking hands afterwards. And you know, there was no attack,
1623
01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:40.279
no nothing like that. So what kind of makes me
1624
01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:43.520
curious as to uh as to what they're doing with Buddy,
1625
01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:47.520
you know, after get the window with Daniel Bryan and
1626
01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:50.199
you know, having that match with Roman Reigns. I don't know,
1627
01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:54.479
you know, what his direction is, so we'll have to see.
1628
01:18:54.520 --> 01:18:57.399
I mean, I know there's rumors of uh like two
1629
01:18:57.399 --> 01:19:00.640
O five Live getting folded nxt s they move Buddy
1630
01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:03.960
Murphy there, you know who knows, and I think you
1631
01:19:04.079 --> 01:19:06.359
also mentioned it might be a draft, so you know,
1632
01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:08.079
I don't know if they're going to separate those two
1633
01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:12.119
and you know, maybe stick Buddy Murphy on Raw, so
1634
01:19:12.159 --> 01:19:13.319
we'll see what happens.
1635
01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:17.000
Did they advertise dark match or a match to help
1636
01:19:17.039 --> 01:19:19.439
sell tickets? And then did they change that or remind
1637
01:19:19.479 --> 01:19:21.840
people of it during SmackDown to keep people in their
1638
01:19:21.880 --> 01:19:24.039
seats for speaking up to a five Lives that followed.
1639
01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:25.680
So I couldn't tell you.
1640
01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:27.640
I couldn't tell you what they advertised, like on the
1641
01:19:27.640 --> 01:19:30.600
website or anything like that. I gave up on checking
1642
01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:34.479
that stuff because every week it's the same thing and
1643
01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:37.479
it never comes to fruition. But advertise the dark match,
1644
01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:41.520
and I couldn't believe it. It was the B team
1645
01:19:41.960 --> 01:19:51.479
in a handicap match against Bray Wyatt, And I said, what, like, like,
1646
01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:55.079
that's what you're doing to get people to stay? I mean,
1647
01:19:55.119 --> 01:19:58.239
the only thing I could Yeah, the only thing I
1648
01:19:58.399 --> 01:20:00.800
come up with is maybe the connection in between Bow
1649
01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:04.800
and Bray maybe you know people, maybe people are aware
1650
01:20:04.800 --> 01:20:06.920
of that, but they never really you know, talked about
1651
01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:11.239
it on TV. So I can't see that, you know,
1652
01:20:11.800 --> 01:20:13.960
being a way to keep people in the building.
1653
01:20:14.199 --> 01:20:18.920
But so yeah, so that was the that was the.
1654
01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:21.119
Main event match they advertised. I was waiting for, like
1655
01:20:21.199 --> 01:20:23.359
Kevin Owens against Sammy Vane or something. But then they
1656
01:20:23.359 --> 01:20:25.279
fired Kevin Owens.
1657
01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:28.039
I guess they just figured people will stick around to
1658
01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:30.239
see the Fiend in person, and I mean they might
1659
01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:32.039
be right, but yeah, that's and they don't want to
1660
01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:34.800
give away, you know, a full fledged competitive Fiend match.
1661
01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:39.279
But they that match actually did happen, and it lasted
1662
01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:40.960
a minute in five seconds.
1663
01:20:40.600 --> 01:20:45.279
Okay, yeah, oh yeah, congratulations to B team for stopping
1664
01:20:45.279 --> 01:20:47.800
the Fiend before he got his momentum. Oh wait, I
1665
01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:51.319
shouldn't assume that, but it was two on one, So
1666
01:20:51.520 --> 01:20:55.079
all right, Frank, anything else you want to share with
1667
01:20:55.159 --> 01:20:57.520
us from the experience or any a w T shirts,
1668
01:20:57.560 --> 01:21:00.760
any other noteworthy chance, any crowdfight. I don't know anything
1669
01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:01.680
else from the building tonight.
1670
01:21:03.279 --> 01:21:06.479
I didn't see any aw shirts. It was there was
1671
01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:09.039
a lot of families, there was a bunch of kids.
1672
01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:12.000
I didn't see much in the way of T shirts,
1673
01:21:12.399 --> 01:21:14.239
like you know, people wearing shirts and stuff like that.
1674
01:21:14.279 --> 01:21:17.159
I mean I caught like an Undertaker shirt, maybe an
1675
01:21:17.279 --> 01:21:20.680
nWo shirt. Here and there they were selling a Bruno
1676
01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:27.079
shirt and I ended up getting that. And the varieties
1677
01:21:27.079 --> 01:21:29.159
were what was it like Becky Lynch and like you'll
1678
01:21:29.199 --> 01:21:32.800
see stuff like that. There wasn't really a ton of variety.
1679
01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:36.840
So they were selling the universal title for four hundred
1680
01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:37.800
and twenty five dollars.
1681
01:21:37.800 --> 01:21:39.159
I got the big no on that.
1682
01:21:39.279 --> 01:21:45.319
No, and no, I wasn't gonna buy it.
1683
01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:46.840
Maybe the WWE.
1684
01:21:46.560 --> 01:21:49.720
Title, but yeah, there was that.
1685
01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:51.319
The other thing.
1686
01:21:52.319 --> 01:21:54.560
I don't know if ww thinks they're funny, but like
1687
01:21:54.600 --> 01:21:57.199
the lights. Do you remember the issue at WrestleMania with
1688
01:21:57.239 --> 01:22:00.720
the lights shining in people's faces. Yeah, they did that
1689
01:22:00.760 --> 01:22:02.279
a couple of times, and I don't know if it's
1690
01:22:02.399 --> 01:22:04.159
just you know, maybe it's just the way that but
1691
01:22:04.600 --> 01:22:06.640
like there were a couple of times where the lights
1692
01:22:06.720 --> 01:22:09.000
rolled and it was like right in your face. So
1693
01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:12.840
that was kind of a glane. So there was that,
1694
01:22:13.199 --> 01:22:16.439
and uh, what did they do? I'm trying to think
1695
01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:19.880
of in between Uh, I'm trying to think of in
1696
01:22:19.960 --> 01:22:25.159
between commercials. I told you Charlotte got a pretty good pop.
1697
01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:28.560
Shinskate came out with his music. People were singing it initially,
1698
01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:32.239
but then they stopped on that. Oh that's what I
1699
01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:34.399
wanted to tell you. I don't know if you're I
1700
01:22:34.680 --> 01:22:36.319
listened to most of the raw post show. I didn't
1701
01:22:36.319 --> 01:22:37.640
get a chance, to be honest with you, to listen
1702
01:22:37.680 --> 01:22:39.159
to the whole thing. I was kind of busy today.
1703
01:22:39.199 --> 01:22:44.720
But the banner, like when you walked in, Yeah, the
1704
01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:47.920
banner for raw showed Stone Cold and the banner for
1705
01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:51.279
Smackdowns showed Undertaker. I don't know if your correspondent pointed
1706
01:22:51.279 --> 01:22:54.479
that out last night, but I thought that was really interesting.
1707
01:22:54.640 --> 01:22:56.960
And even like the SmackDown like they had they had
1708
01:22:57.000 --> 01:23:00.359
those two banners and then they had another banner with
1709
01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:03.279
SmackDown wrestlers and they had the Undertaker in the middle.
1710
01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:05.279
And I thought that was pretty.
1711
01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:08.399
Interesting because I mean, like you would think, I think,
1712
01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:12.800
like I'll message you the picture later, but I think.
1713
01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:15.119
Charlotte was in it Roman Reigns or whatever, but the
1714
01:23:15.199 --> 01:23:18.560
Undertaker was in the middle of it too, So uh,
1715
01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:21.319
I thought that was interesting. It kind of told me that,
1716
01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:24.199
you know, hey, these guys are still the stars. You know,
1717
01:23:24.279 --> 01:23:27.760
these are still the uh these are still the people that,
1718
01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:31.119
uh that people come to see. Because honestly, I think
1719
01:23:31.159 --> 01:23:33.880
the majority of that crowd last night, just looking at
1720
01:23:33.880 --> 01:23:36.039
the reactions on television, I think they were there to
1721
01:23:36.039 --> 01:23:39.279
see Stone Cold, and I think people tonight were there
1722
01:23:39.319 --> 01:23:42.840
to see the Undertaker, and they were smart to, uh
1723
01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:44.840
to start out with Parker because had they done it
1724
01:23:44.920 --> 01:23:45.800
later in the evening.
1725
01:23:46.039 --> 01:23:48.279
With that, I was gonna say, and and the other
1726
01:23:48.319 --> 01:23:53.920
star was on plastered on the truck outside the building. Yeah, yeah,
1727
01:23:53.960 --> 01:23:57.479
that was awesome. So so Frank very messages me a
1728
01:23:57.479 --> 01:24:00.319
photo and on the on the trailer outside of MSG
1729
01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:03.800
there's this gigantic picture of Dean Ambrose. They haven't painted
1730
01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:06.479
over his face yet, or you know, drawn a mustache
1731
01:24:06.479 --> 01:24:09.079
on it or something. I don't know. Yeah, you think
1732
01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:10.920
with our budget they could have repainted the truck by now.
1733
01:24:10.920 --> 01:24:13.199
It's only been you know how many months that they've known.
1734
01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:18.279
I think, I said to the other side of the truck, Frank, Frank,
1735
01:24:18.319 --> 01:24:19.520
I'm sorry. On the other side of the truck, I
1736
01:24:19.560 --> 01:24:20.720
wonder I see Himunk was on it.
1737
01:24:23.159 --> 01:24:26.560
Oh and there was well, speaking of trucks, there was
1738
01:24:26.600 --> 01:24:30.159
another truck. It had Gender maholl Oh my god, it
1739
01:24:30.199 --> 01:24:31.079
has at Royce.
1740
01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:33.800
I forget.
1741
01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:35.239
I'll send it to LA.
1742
01:24:35.279 --> 01:24:37.199
I'm like, is gender Mahole even still alive?
1743
01:24:37.239 --> 01:24:39.359
I mean they haven't used this guy in uh, not
1744
01:24:39.399 --> 01:24:41.119
that I'm dying to see him on TV, but I
1745
01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:42.600
mean they could use him in a squash one.
1746
01:24:42.680 --> 01:24:46.800
Frank, I thought society. I thought society had an unspoken
1747
01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:49.000
agreement to not mention his name, hoping that he would
1748
01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:50.760
never be brought up again. And now you've broken the
1749
01:24:50.880 --> 01:24:52.640
unspoken societal agreement.
1750
01:24:53.319 --> 01:24:54.960
Oh man, I did it.
1751
01:24:55.119 --> 01:24:56.279
I did nobody.
1752
01:24:56.800 --> 01:24:59.840
This reminds me of I know, this reminds me of
1753
01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:02.760
year because I was on the I was on Wrestling.
1754
01:25:02.439 --> 01:25:06.039
Night in America with Greg and Zach and uh, we
1755
01:25:06.319 --> 01:25:08.640
all agreed not to bring up Roman, like we quietly
1756
01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:11.159
agreed not to bring up Roman reigns. And I think Zach.
1757
01:25:11.039 --> 01:25:13.079
Brought it up. And I said, Zach, you brought up
1758
01:25:13.079 --> 01:25:18.000
the R word? How dare you you know? It was?
1759
01:25:18.199 --> 01:25:20.319
It was one other thing I was going to Oh yeah,
1760
01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:22.560
and there was one quick note, not a big deal.
1761
01:25:22.600 --> 01:25:26.319
There was actually an XFL commercial. I don't know if
1762
01:25:26.359 --> 01:25:34.159
that when they went to break that, but yeah, right, yeah,
1763
01:25:34.319 --> 01:25:36.880
I don't think people really uh don't being really caring
1764
01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:38.600
about it. People really caring about it.
1765
01:25:38.640 --> 01:25:39.119
But uh.
1766
01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:42.760
I messaged Greg about it and he said they I
1767
01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:44.680
guess they did it in DC or something like that.
1768
01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:48.119
So I guess that's gonna start. Uh, that's gonna start
1769
01:25:48.119 --> 01:25:49.079
taking shapes.
1770
01:25:50.319 --> 01:25:50.640
All right.
1771
01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:54.039
Cool? Well, Frank and Aaron, thank you for contributing.
1772
01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:54.880
Tonight no problem.
1773
01:25:54.920 --> 01:25:56.239
We'd always a pleasure talking to you.
1774
01:25:56.359 --> 01:25:56.600
Jake.
1775
01:25:57.239 --> 01:25:59.399
Good talking to you for the first time after uh
1776
01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:03.199
a month or actually about a year of just messaging
1777
01:26:03.239 --> 01:26:03.560
each other.
1778
01:26:03.640 --> 01:26:03.800
Nice.
1779
01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:04.319
That's off you.
1780
01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:07.439
Yeah, we'll talk soon. Thanks again, you got in a man.
1781
01:26:07.399 --> 01:26:07.680
Take a.
1782
01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:15.640
Longing for some nostalgia, or maybe you want to learn
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01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:19.600
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01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:23.000
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Patrick will transport you thirty years into the past by
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01:26:26.399 --> 01:26:29.159
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All right, we're back with mail Bank segment. Jake Barnett
1792
01:26:58.159 --> 01:27:00.760
for Progressing dot Net is with me. If you have
1793
01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:03.079
a question for the Flagship this week, get your question
1794
01:27:03.159 --> 01:27:06.520
in quick because Jason Powell and I will be recording
1795
01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:11.720
on Wednesday afternoon the Thursday Flagship. So the email address
1796
01:27:11.880 --> 01:27:14.960
is Wade Keller Podcast at PW Torch dot com and
1797
01:27:15.039 --> 01:27:20.560
just put Flagship in the subject line as Philip and Andrew.
1798
01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:23.039
I'm okay at the inbox here. Many people are doing that,
1799
01:27:23.079 --> 01:27:25.520
so it's very good that you're doing that. Wadekeller podcast
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01:27:25.560 --> 01:27:28.000
at petew torch dot com. Also if you have questions
1801
01:27:28.039 --> 01:27:33.199
for Matt McCarthy specifically, we'll introduce some mailbag questions to
1802
01:27:33.399 --> 01:27:36.880
our Friday show. Also, if you want so, again, Weadekeller
1803
01:27:36.920 --> 01:27:41.279
podcast at pw torch dot com. All right, let's have
1804
01:27:41.640 --> 01:27:46.520
Jake plug his contributions to prosing dot net and send
1805
01:27:46.520 --> 01:27:48.239
people to hear more from him.
1806
01:27:48.520 --> 01:27:51.600
Yeah, so you can find me weekly on at the
1807
01:27:51.600 --> 01:27:54.560
Flagship Audio Show dot net weekly and pro us and
1808
01:27:54.600 --> 01:27:59.760
dotnet also do SmackDown live coverage every week possibly aw
1809
01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:03.399
in a little while as well, and we'll see where
1810
01:28:03.439 --> 01:28:05.439
that goes. But that's where you can find me also
1811
01:28:05.520 --> 01:28:07.119
on Twitter at barnet Jake.
1812
01:28:07.560 --> 01:28:10.520
All right, very good, Let's go to the email and
1813
01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:15.439
began with Andrew. A lot has been said about rob
1814
01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:17.319
being the A show and getting the bigger stars of
1815
01:28:17.359 --> 01:28:19.359
SmackDown usually getting the short end of the stick. With
1816
01:28:19.399 --> 01:28:21.000
that in mind, you what do you think about Raw
1817
01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:24.279
getting stone Cold and SmackDown getting Undertaker? Is Undertaker consolation
1818
01:28:24.359 --> 01:28:25.880
prize or is he just as big of a deal,
1819
01:28:26.119 --> 01:28:28.319
if not a bigger deal than Stone Cold as someone
1820
01:28:28.359 --> 01:28:30.680
who missed the Attitude era and both and both guys
1821
01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:34.039
in their prime. I'd rather see the Undertaker than Steve Austin.
1822
01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:36.680
So that's Andrew G. Jake. We went the whole first
1823
01:28:36.720 --> 01:28:39.119
segment with Collers not bringing up the Undertaker segment because
1824
01:28:39.119 --> 01:28:42.039
it wasn't all that newsworthy. You know, Taker came out
1825
01:28:42.119 --> 01:28:45.159
longering entrance, announcer's fawn over him. They find the guy
1826
01:28:45.199 --> 01:28:46.680
in the crowd who's wanting to go bug eyed with
1827
01:28:46.720 --> 01:28:51.159
amazement at the sheer presence of Undertaker, and then Undertaker
1828
01:28:51.359 --> 01:28:54.560
talked about MSG and sort of generic terms and didn't
1829
01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:56.600
really share too many specific memories, but said he took
1830
01:28:56.640 --> 01:28:59.359
a piece of many souls in that building. And then
1831
01:28:59.800 --> 01:29:03.159
Sammy's an interrupted, and I thought Sammy was good, really
1832
01:29:03.159 --> 01:29:05.840
good in the role and fans to great satisfaction, and
1833
01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:08.920
Undertaker choke slamming him. I don't think it's setting up
1834
01:29:09.119 --> 01:29:11.800
Shinsky against Undertaker, but if it is, I'm happy with that.
1835
01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:14.600
I'd like to see Undertaker and Shinsk have a match.
1836
01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:17.159
I wish they did it when Shinsk first arrived. I
1837
01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:20.399
think it could have made shinske even in losing, so
1838
01:29:20.560 --> 01:29:21.720
it's not going to be the same thing if they
1839
01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:24.119
do it again. And my vote, initially, my number one
1840
01:29:24.199 --> 01:29:26.840
vote is Undertaker never wrestles again, But if he does wrestle,
1841
01:29:27.399 --> 01:29:29.439
I think a Shinsky match is intriguing. With Sammy being
1842
01:29:29.439 --> 01:29:32.319
an agitator, I have a feeling this was done just
1843
01:29:32.359 --> 01:29:35.119
because Sammy's a good agitator and they wanted Undertaker to
1844
01:29:35.199 --> 01:29:39.159
choke slam someone. I think Steve Austin is a bigger
1845
01:29:39.199 --> 01:29:42.680
star than Undertaker. I'm curious your take, Jake. He wasn't
1846
01:29:42.720 --> 01:29:45.159
his day and he still is. And I think because
1847
01:29:45.159 --> 01:29:47.960
he appears less often, there's a novelty of seeing him.
1848
01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:50.439
He didn't sell out and go to Saudi Arabia, he
1849
01:29:50.520 --> 01:29:53.399
hasn't had bad matches that this generation has seen. All
1850
01:29:53.520 --> 01:29:56.479
kinds of reasons that Stone Cold's legend and star is
1851
01:29:56.520 --> 01:29:59.479
brighter than Undertaker at this point. But Undertaker was more
1852
01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:02.079
associated with I think with the SmackDown brand, and Steve
1853
01:30:02.079 --> 01:30:04.640
Austin more so with Raw. So even if the days
1854
01:30:04.640 --> 01:30:07.039
were reversed, with the reputations were reversed, I think it
1855
01:30:07.119 --> 01:30:09.479
made sense for Austin to be on Raw and Undertaker
1856
01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:11.760
on SmackDown, So I wouldn't read too much into it
1857
01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:15.239
now that all said, because I think Austin's a bigger
1858
01:30:15.239 --> 01:30:17.920
star and makes appearances less often. I do think Undertaker
1859
01:30:17.960 --> 01:30:20.359
was a consolation price, but mostly I think it's brand
1860
01:30:20.399 --> 01:30:23.520
allegiance and they're pretty close, and I don't think either
1861
01:30:24.079 --> 01:30:26.840
brand should feel slighted. So Jake, do you back that up?
1862
01:30:26.880 --> 01:30:28.159
Do you have anything that or do you disagree with
1863
01:30:28.199 --> 01:30:28.560
any of that?
1864
01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:30.439
No?
1865
01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:32.880
I agree with the vast majority of it. I think,
1866
01:30:33.399 --> 01:30:36.760
you know, the purpose of having Steve Austin and the
1867
01:30:36.840 --> 01:30:39.960
Undertaker on these shows was, you know, they announced it
1868
01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:44.159
because everybody knew they were having issues moving tickets, and
1869
01:30:44.199 --> 01:30:47.119
they're the two biggest ticket draws that I think they
1870
01:30:47.159 --> 01:30:51.399
have remaining. If you're a if you're somebody who was
1871
01:30:51.439 --> 01:30:55.239
going to these shows live, maybe maybe the Undertaker might
1872
01:30:55.279 --> 01:30:57.920
be a little bit more interesting, because you know, if
1873
01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:01.760
you haven't seen Taker and do the entrance, you know
1874
01:31:01.800 --> 01:31:06.159
there's a lot more, uh, you know of sort of
1875
01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:09.760
this mysticism and intrigue around the Undertaker character. But for
1876
01:31:09.840 --> 01:31:14.159
a TV viewer, Steve Austin is by far the more
1877
01:31:14.279 --> 01:31:17.880
entertaining charismatic personality, and so if I was going to
1878
01:31:17.920 --> 01:31:21.159
pick one, uh, you know, as a television viewer, I'd
1879
01:31:21.199 --> 01:31:23.359
probably pick Steve Austin if I was going to go
1880
01:31:23.439 --> 01:31:26.640
see a show in person. It's kind of a flip
1881
01:31:26.680 --> 01:31:29.439
a coin thing, but I think, you know, there probably
1882
01:31:29.479 --> 01:31:31.720
is an audience that's never seen the Undertaker live that
1883
01:31:31.760 --> 01:31:32.760
would buy a ticket for that.
1884
01:31:33.119 --> 01:31:35.479
Yeah. Yeah, and if you hadn't seen the Attitude era,
1885
01:31:35.840 --> 01:31:37.000
and they make such a big deal a lot of
1886
01:31:37.039 --> 01:31:39.520
being present for the Undertaker entrance if you had never
1887
01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:41.600
seen either of them. But I don't I mean, I
1888
01:31:41.640 --> 01:31:43.880
think being there for the glass breaking on a guy
1889
01:31:43.920 --> 01:31:46.399
who was a decidedly bigger star during his time on Top,
1890
01:31:46.720 --> 01:31:49.920
which is Austin, whereas Undertaker has had a longer career,
1891
01:31:50.720 --> 01:31:53.039
but also I think diminished himself with some of his
1892
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recent performances and where he performed. Uh yeah, yeah, I'd
1893
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be interested in in how most people would race on
1894
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to that. I mean, it's a cool choice. I mean,
1895
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I don't think it's I don't know, you're crazy to
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choose one or the other. But my hunch is more
1897
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people inside with Austin just because of the how rare
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it is that he actually appears. All right, good question,
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Thank you. Andrew up next, Jamie from Northern Ireland. I
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am still an hour one, but I have some things
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that have bothered me.
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One.
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I get they bring back the Undertaker for a rating
1904
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spop every once in a while, but what is the
1905
01:32:24.359 --> 01:32:27.119
point of a chokeslam on Sammy's ain no story advancement,
1906
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just putting the undertaker there because it's the garden. I
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kind of wish you would retire now, and his entrance
1908
01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:33.159
now bothers me more than Roman Ragin staring at their
1909
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afters for ten minutes at nothing in particular. I may, however,
1910
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have felt differently if I were there, as I'm sure
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it's quite the spectacle in person. Stop the small jokes
1912
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about Chad gabl please stop now androtte with another loss.
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I get that would be booking, the booking mentality of
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the challeng addressed to look strong and I like the mizz,
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but why not someone else other than Andrade who hasn't
1916
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been completely defined down. I personally thought ANDRETTI would have
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been a good shout for the King of the Ring,
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as you had previously mentioned on your podcast, Go Away.
1919
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Shane McMahon things have been fine without your terrible punches
1920
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in general, lack of ring finesse, Mandy Rose calling Nikki
1921
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Cross ugly, not really happy about that. Now we're halfway through.
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I don't know. I almost help with this list. But
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Jake a couple things we had talked about on his
1924
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list of gripes. What about Mandy calling Nicky ugly? Mandy's
1925
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a heel byrons Axton spoke up in defense of Nicky.
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Is this, you know, is it fine? Is it with
1927
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it totally within the you know, grounds of of pro wrestling?
1928
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Or is this not a place ww we should go
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given their target demographic and aiming at kids and and
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and having a heel makes such a spectacle out of
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somebody who will never look like her. And do you
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have any discomfort with it?
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I mean, other than not finding you particularly interesting, I
1934
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don't really have a discomfort with it. YE mean, it's
1935
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not you know, it doesn't offend me or anything. I mean,
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I guess I'd love to hear what Mandy and Nikki
1937
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you think about it, to be honest, that their perspective,
1938
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but performing it would be interesting. But I think you
1939
01:34:05.239 --> 01:34:09.359
know whether or not it's you know, it runs you know,
1940
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contradictory to their B star efforts and things of that nature.
1941
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Really depend on where the story goes and what their
1942
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planned outcome is. I don't foresee a title change on Sunday,
1943
01:34:18.680 --> 01:34:21.000
so maybe they'll just consider that at the end of it.
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I am very hesitant to suggest bad skits for WWE,
1945
01:34:25.640 --> 01:34:28.199
and this would be a bad skit, but I could.
1946
01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:30.760
I would hope if they have some sort of punchline
1947
01:34:30.760 --> 01:34:33.079
to this, it would be Mandy Rose gets a new
1948
01:34:33.119 --> 01:34:35.319
mail assistant who looks like, you know, he could be
1949
01:34:35.319 --> 01:34:39.439
a Chippendale dancer or a GQ model, and she's chatting
1950
01:34:39.439 --> 01:34:41.520
with him and he kind of looks like, yeah, you know,
1951
01:34:42.119 --> 01:34:44.880
I work for whatever I'm hers And then Nicky crosswalks
1952
01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:47.279
in the room and he can't pay attention to Mandy anymore,
1953
01:34:47.479 --> 01:34:49.800
and she notices that his eyes are darting over to her,
1954
01:34:50.039 --> 01:34:52.000
and the next thing you know, they're dating. And now
1955
01:34:52.680 --> 01:34:54.680
the less the moral of the story is, you know,
1956
01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:57.479
different people have different tastes and different ways to judge
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01:34:57.720 --> 01:34:59.520
who the hot woman is, which may be shocking the
1958
01:34:59.560 --> 01:35:01.039
Vincent man and Kevin Down, who seemed to have a
1959
01:35:01.159 --> 01:35:04.560
very narrow description of the measurements of the blonde women
1960
01:35:04.600 --> 01:35:07.159
that they thrust upon everybody as the hottest thing that
1961
01:35:07.159 --> 01:35:11.159
everyone should drool over on Color commentary. But that said, again,
1962
01:35:11.239 --> 01:35:13.960
BET's git not recommending it. But if they're going that direction,
1963
01:35:14.119 --> 01:35:17.000
and the idea is Mandy's going to get proven that,
1964
01:35:17.119 --> 01:35:20.359
Hey to each their own, and there's people out there
1965
01:35:20.359 --> 01:35:24.640
who would much rather, you know, hook up with Nicki
1966
01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:26.720
than Mandy. They can tell that story, and I'd be
1967
01:35:26.720 --> 01:35:29.359
happier with that than if in the end Mandy is
1968
01:35:29.439 --> 01:35:31.600
right or Nicky never gets to speak up on her behalf.
1969
01:35:33.199 --> 01:35:35.680
So we had the change the Andrai loss too. Yeah,
1970
01:35:35.840 --> 01:35:37.760
I was thinking of miss Andratti, just thinking why are
1971
01:35:37.760 --> 01:35:41.479
they doing this? You know, it just feels like, well,
1972
01:35:41.479 --> 01:35:43.359
we got a fil TV time with with two wrestlers
1973
01:35:43.399 --> 01:35:45.399
in a competitive match, and that's where you know, I
1974
01:35:45.439 --> 01:35:48.319
advocate for what Heavy Machinery did squash matches, and I'd
1975
01:35:48.399 --> 01:35:50.199
rather see Androratti get a squash win and mis get
1976
01:35:50.239 --> 01:35:52.439
a squash win and then kind of back and forth
1977
01:35:52.479 --> 01:35:55.279
match where it's just a lean interference and then and
1978
01:35:55.319 --> 01:35:57.800
in the end, you know, nothing is accomplished in Andratti
1979
01:35:57.880 --> 01:35:58.720
is to find down more.
1980
01:35:59.520 --> 01:36:02.039
I think we would probably argue that nobody's going to
1981
01:36:02.079 --> 01:36:04.920
remember it next week, And then the counter argument is, well, yeah,
1982
01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:06.399
nobody's going to remember it next week.
1983
01:36:07.159 --> 01:36:09.039
If I'm wrestling promoter, I don't want to be putting
1984
01:36:09.039 --> 01:36:11.279
on matches with my excuse for why book it is
1985
01:36:11.319 --> 01:36:13.560
no one's going to care about it ever or remember it. Like,
1986
01:36:13.880 --> 01:36:16.039
you know, that's a problem in and of itself. I mean,
1987
01:36:16.920 --> 01:36:19.239
you want people to remember everything you do. You shouldn't
1988
01:36:19.239 --> 01:36:20.840
resign yourself to the fact that you're putting out a
1989
01:36:20.840 --> 01:36:23.560
product that you can only defend by saying people aren't engaged,
1990
01:36:23.720 --> 01:36:24.840
so it doesn't matter what we do.
1991
01:36:25.720 --> 01:36:29.159
Yeah, I think that's It's something that we've heard repeatedly though.
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01:36:29.560 --> 01:36:31.960
You know, Vince believes that the audience has short memories,
1993
01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:33.479
so it doesn't really matter what they do in the
1994
01:36:33.520 --> 01:36:34.199
short term.
1995
01:36:34.319 --> 01:36:39.680
Yeah, anytime you're watching WWE Raw or SmackDown or aw
1996
01:36:39.880 --> 01:36:42.439
Dynamite in particular, send us an email if you've got
1997
01:36:42.479 --> 01:36:44.319
thoughts on the show or a topic you want us
1998
01:36:44.319 --> 01:36:47.640
to address or a question for us. Wade Keller Podcast
1999
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at pwtorch dot com. Weadkeller Podcast at pewtorch dot com.
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If there's anything else going on in pro wrestling that
2001
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you want us to address on our main podcast during
2002
01:36:57.359 --> 01:37:01.039
our mailbank segments. That same email applies Wade Keller podcast
2003
01:37:01.119 --> 01:37:04.520
at PW torch dot com. We invite that interaction. Let
2004
01:37:04.600 --> 01:37:06.399
us know what you think of what we're saying, and
2005
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let us know what you want us to talk about
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01:37:08.720 --> 01:37:12.159
and ask us specific questions. Wade Keller podcast at PW
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01:37:12.159 --> 01:37:18.640
torch dot com. Yeah, added as nicely at squatch Match
2008
01:37:18.680 --> 01:37:20.800
as having machinery. I heard you. I heard you talking
2009
01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:23.439
about this on the VP hotline. That's as far as
2010
01:37:23.479 --> 01:37:25.159
I've watched, so I guessing Chad Gables still win to
2011
01:37:25.159 --> 01:37:27.760
set up the face Heel final on Sunday. I see
2012
01:37:27.800 --> 01:37:30.039
no sign of improvement from SmackDown to fight better matches
2013
01:37:30.039 --> 01:37:31.760
over the last couple of weeks. The stories being killed
2014
01:37:31.760 --> 01:37:33.800
are terrible, and I'd argue the matches have only been
2015
01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:35.359
better due to the King of the Ring tournament making
2016
01:37:35.359 --> 01:37:37.760
matches that would otherwise have been made. If this is
2017
01:37:37.760 --> 01:37:39.479
a work of Bishoff, I'm thinking you should have stayed
2018
01:37:39.479 --> 01:37:41.760
in the nineties, Nitro Era, thanks again for all the
2019
01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:44.399
fantastic content you guys put out. Everyone go VIP. I
2020
01:37:44.479 --> 01:37:46.680
also have to add I'm eagerly anticipating the thoughts of
2021
01:37:47.159 --> 01:37:49.279
Jason Australia when he returns as a co host on
2022
01:37:49.319 --> 01:37:51.840
the pod. I wonder what he would think at this moment.
2023
01:37:52.319 --> 01:37:54.039
And as a side note, I'm really looking forward to
2024
01:37:54.079 --> 01:37:55.640
the Classic Champions. I think some of the matches have
2025
01:37:55.720 --> 01:37:59.960
potential to be really awesome WWB speak. Thanks again Jamie
2026
01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:03.720
in Northern Ireland. So thanks Jamie for your thoughts. Okay, So,
2027
01:38:03.720 --> 01:38:07.119
speaking to Mandy Rose, David from Our Dave from Harrisburg,
2028
01:38:07.159 --> 01:38:10.800
PA says, so with much Oh's what the absolute hell
2029
01:38:10.880 --> 01:38:13.239
was the deal with Mandy Rose's promo tonight? Who wrote that?
2030
01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:16.399
Because whoever did needs to be fired immediately, calling Nikki
2031
01:38:16.560 --> 01:38:19.159
ugly and just all around shaming her. Looks did we
2032
01:38:19.199 --> 01:38:21.960
go back in time? That was in super bad taste.
2033
01:38:22.359 --> 01:38:24.760
Thanks for all you and your team do. Going VIP
2034
01:38:25.079 --> 01:38:28.079
was one of the easiest decisions ever. Thank you, David,
2035
01:38:28.119 --> 01:38:30.960
appreciate it. So yeah, I mean there's someone who saw
2036
01:38:31.000 --> 01:38:34.039
that as not within the realm of what WWB can
2037
01:38:34.039 --> 01:38:36.119
pull out successfully, so they ought to stay away from it.
2038
01:38:36.159 --> 01:38:38.079
And my initial thought when Mandy was yelling that at
2039
01:38:38.159 --> 01:38:41.000
Nikki last week was kind of like wow, Like I
2040
01:38:41.000 --> 01:38:42.920
hope she got approval to say that and now it's
2041
01:38:42.960 --> 01:38:44.560
clear she did and that was setting the stage for
2042
01:38:44.600 --> 01:38:46.159
this week, unless she did it on her own and
2043
01:38:46.159 --> 01:38:48.000
they loved the idea and had her talk about it
2044
01:38:48.039 --> 01:38:50.600
more this week. But yeah, I just I don't know.
2045
01:38:50.720 --> 01:38:52.199
I think it's a dangerous place to go, but I
2046
01:38:52.239 --> 01:38:54.479
think if you do it right, you can make it work.
2047
01:38:54.680 --> 01:38:56.760
I just again have no faith in WWW doing it
2048
01:38:56.840 --> 01:38:57.399
doing it right.
2049
01:38:57.840 --> 01:39:00.479
There weren't kind of a weird place where people react
2050
01:39:00.600 --> 01:39:05.520
to WWE stories, not in the context of, oh, you know,
2051
01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:09.079
she said something really you know, disgusting. I want to
2052
01:39:09.079 --> 01:39:11.359
see Nicky, you know, come out and beat the tar
2053
01:39:11.439 --> 01:39:13.800
out of her. You know, the reaction is I can't
2054
01:39:13.800 --> 01:39:16.600
believe they would have her say something like that. You know,
2055
01:39:16.680 --> 01:39:21.279
it's it's a different context than I think WWE anticipates
2056
01:39:21.319 --> 01:39:24.000
people reacting to their stories, and I don't know if
2057
01:39:24.000 --> 01:39:28.640
there's a necessarily one hundred percent bulletproof way to get
2058
01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:29.119
around it.
2059
01:39:29.159 --> 01:39:29.399
Either.
2060
01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:31.439
You know, people are going to react the way they're
2061
01:39:31.439 --> 01:39:34.000
going to react, But it's certainly, you know, now that
2062
01:39:34.319 --> 01:39:39.039
wrestling is more online and more fan interactive than it's
2063
01:39:39.079 --> 01:39:42.119
ever been, I think they they have to consider more
2064
01:39:42.159 --> 01:39:44.600
often sometimes the context of what they're going to have
2065
01:39:44.640 --> 01:39:47.560
some of these characters say and whether or not it's
2066
01:39:47.600 --> 01:39:49.920
worth the risk of offending part of your audience.
2067
01:39:50.239 --> 01:39:56.319
Yeah, yep, Byron's accent did say after maybe made fun
2068
01:39:56.359 --> 01:39:58.960
of Nicky's looks and called her an oversized rat crawling
2069
01:39:59.000 --> 01:40:01.479
out of the Lincoln Tunnel, which is quite the insult.
2070
01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:05.720
Byron's axton did say, how shallow is Mandy Rose? Now
2071
01:40:05.840 --> 01:40:09.920
I'm glad a babyface commentator spoke up, But it's almost
2072
01:40:09.960 --> 01:40:12.479
like Byrn is saying that's true, but we're not supposed
2073
01:40:12.520 --> 01:40:15.159
to say it, you know, like how shallow to pick
2074
01:40:15.159 --> 01:40:17.119
on Nicky's horrible looks in the fact that she looks
2075
01:40:17.119 --> 01:40:21.439
hissells like a rat. Yeah, Like, I just I'd like
2076
01:40:21.479 --> 01:40:23.920
to see Tom. I know, Tom Phillips is a robot
2077
01:40:23.960 --> 01:40:26.600
who's just programmed to speak in W to B speaking,
2078
01:40:26.640 --> 01:40:29.840
doesn't actually like, can't improvise, so I'll leave him out
2079
01:40:29.880 --> 01:40:33.600
of this. But a Byron does seem to be a
2080
01:40:33.680 --> 01:40:37.800
human being with with you know, largely likable human emotions
2081
01:40:38.000 --> 01:40:40.199
and expresses them when when he does get a chance
2082
01:40:40.199 --> 01:40:42.760
to speak. And I would have I mean I would
2083
01:40:42.760 --> 01:40:45.439
have I would have liked to have heard Byron's axton
2084
01:40:46.159 --> 01:40:49.439
say you know, I've never I've never looked at Nicky
2085
01:40:49.439 --> 01:40:51.960
and thought when Mandy's saying about her and Mandy sure
2086
01:40:52.000 --> 01:40:53.840
is stuck on her, you know, just like have some
2087
01:40:53.880 --> 01:40:57.000
sort of defense of Mandy's looks. It's like Piggy James,
2088
01:40:57.119 --> 01:41:01.880
or when when Norah Greenwall was was you know, sort
2089
01:41:01.920 --> 01:41:04.479
of fat chained and behind the scenes in WWE, or
2090
01:41:04.520 --> 01:41:06.520
scene is not wearing enough makeup and being blonde enough
2091
01:41:06.520 --> 01:41:08.800
and tall enough and thin enough. If there wasn't that
2092
01:41:08.960 --> 01:41:10.800
history there with this company, I think people would be
2093
01:41:10.880 --> 01:41:13.920
less apt to react the way that they are. Or
2094
01:41:13.960 --> 01:41:16.159
if Byron Saxon made a stronger defense and people had
2095
01:41:16.159 --> 01:41:19.000
faith Nikki will will win in the end, not just
2096
01:41:19.039 --> 01:41:21.680
be a better wrestler, but win in the end. Improve that.
2097
01:41:21.800 --> 01:41:26.039
As Byron said, uh, Mandy is shallow and and also wrong.
2098
01:41:27.079 --> 01:41:29.880
But I mean, Mandy is who she is, and it's
2099
01:41:29.880 --> 01:41:31.560
hard to tell that story and have her be wrong.
2100
01:41:31.640 --> 01:41:34.319
So anyway, Jake, you're you're gonna say, oh.
2101
01:41:34.239 --> 01:41:34.479
I was.
2102
01:41:35.279 --> 01:41:38.479
I'm not entirely convinced that Byron isn't a robot. He
2103
01:41:38.520 --> 01:41:40.680
may just have some kind of personality module.
2104
01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:45.239
I'm sure, yes, but you're with me on Tom Phillips
2105
01:41:45.239 --> 01:41:48.239
being a robot who is looks human and mannequin like.
2106
01:41:48.880 --> 01:41:51.000
But yeah, I don't think he has many opinions at
2107
01:41:51.000 --> 01:41:52.720
this point in his life. That's just the way it
2108
01:41:53.159 --> 01:41:55.199
wasn't programmed to have any exactly.
2109
01:41:55.279 --> 01:41:59.840
Yeah, someday they can add that. All right, Let's see
2110
01:42:00.520 --> 01:42:02.439
what else was I gonna say about that?
2111
01:42:02.479 --> 01:42:02.840
I remember?
2112
01:42:02.880 --> 01:42:06.800
Okay up next, John F. Tennessee SmackDown is a trade wreck.
2113
01:42:07.239 --> 01:42:10.039
Kevin Owens run as a bad, badass. Baby Face is
2114
01:42:10.079 --> 01:42:13.079
dead and now we're getting your fired. Storyline that we've
2115
01:42:13.119 --> 01:42:16.159
seen a dozen times in the past twenty years. Is
2116
01:42:16.199 --> 01:42:18.960
Sammy's no longer? The mouthbeats for Shinsky Nakamura, Babyface, miss
2117
01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:21.279
is super cold, the rain story is a mess, and oh,
2118
01:42:21.279 --> 01:42:23.000
the King of the Ring Finals is on Raw. Now
2119
01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:27.720
wtf did I just watch? Go vip looking forward to
2120
01:42:27.760 --> 01:42:31.600
the post Clash Roundtable on Sunday. Yes, Todd Martin, Bruce Mitchell,
2121
01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:35.760
and I will be recording the post the Post Clash
2122
01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:38.640
Roundtable on Sunday night, so go VIP to join us.
2123
01:42:38.680 --> 01:42:40.640
That'll be available about an hour hour and a half
2124
01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:42.520
after the pay per view ones on Sunday only for
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01:42:42.640 --> 01:42:45.279
VIP members. But Greg Parks will be hosting Wrestling Night
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in America at the same time at PW torch Daily Cast,
2127
01:42:48.840 --> 01:42:50.800
and you can find a link to that live stream
2128
01:42:51.199 --> 01:42:53.199
in my pay per for report on Sunday night at
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01:42:53.199 --> 01:42:56.680
pw torch dot com. Also check out I assume Jason
2130
01:42:56.680 --> 01:43:00.479
Paul's doing the Clash report on Sunday over at wrest
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01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:03.800
ne Chick. He is, And then are you doing audio
2132
01:43:03.800 --> 01:43:07.560
with them after that? Okay, yep, so everyone can check
2133
01:43:07.600 --> 01:43:11.880
that out too over at progressing dot Net. All right, So, yeah,
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01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:14.000
train Wreck, I mean, John's just kind of hitting the
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01:43:14.039 --> 01:43:15.720
notes we've already hit, but he's backing it up. I
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01:43:15.720 --> 01:43:16.880
don't know if you have anything to add on that.
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01:43:17.039 --> 01:43:18.760
Yeah, I mean it's you know, they've just had this
2138
01:43:18.840 --> 01:43:21.079
kind of shotgun approach to try to fix their problems
2139
01:43:21.119 --> 01:43:24.319
where they you know, it's kind of spastically throwing out
2140
01:43:24.359 --> 01:43:28.279
different pairings and stories and characters, and it just seems
2141
01:43:28.279 --> 01:43:30.399
like they know they have a problem, but they haven't
2142
01:43:30.479 --> 01:43:33.159
quite figured out what it is yet, and maybe maybe
2143
01:43:33.199 --> 01:43:35.479
everybody in the room is kind of under their breath
2144
01:43:35.520 --> 01:43:37.439
pointing at Vince McMahon, but they just don't have the
2145
01:43:37.479 --> 01:43:39.279
courage to say it at this point. But yeah, he's
2146
01:43:39.319 --> 01:43:40.319
definitely the issue.
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01:43:40.399 --> 01:43:44.880
Yeah, all right, let's see. Christopher T says, my girlfriend
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01:43:44.920 --> 01:43:47.079
twenty eight years old and I thirty three years old,
2149
01:43:47.159 --> 01:43:50.680
recently moved in together, so now she is forced to
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01:43:50.720 --> 01:43:53.079
watch a lot of pro wrestling. Don't get me wrong.
2151
01:43:53.119 --> 01:43:54.760
We've been dating for three years, so she's seen her
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01:43:54.800 --> 01:43:56.600
fair share, and she grew up with her male cousins
2153
01:43:56.640 --> 01:44:00.279
watching wrestling, but she's never watched an entire episode until out.
2154
01:44:00.680 --> 01:44:02.399
I'll share with you some of her thoughts. These are
2155
01:44:02.399 --> 01:44:06.760
fun four bullet points Undertaker segment. Didn't they basically do
2156
01:44:06.800 --> 01:44:08.840
this exact same opener on wrestling last night just with
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01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:12.760
a different guy. These guys are really creative. Number two
2158
01:44:12.840 --> 01:44:15.520
Chad Gabel and Shane McMahon segment, Who is that little boy?
2159
01:44:15.800 --> 01:44:19.920
And why is that old man still wrestling? Number three
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01:44:20.119 --> 01:44:23.039
Rowan and Roman. These storylines are so bad even The
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01:44:23.079 --> 01:44:25.880
Real Housewives has better storylines, and guess what, they're both
2162
01:44:25.920 --> 01:44:29.760
fake and Fourth Alexa Blissiniki Cross. I feel like these
2163
01:44:29.760 --> 01:44:32.279
are two girls in high school where the one Alexa
2164
01:44:32.359 --> 01:44:34.159
is the hot popular girl and her friend Nicki is
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01:44:34.199 --> 01:44:37.359
secretly a lesbian and in love with her. By the way,
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01:44:37.399 --> 01:44:41.239
that that was an idea for Mandy and Sonya at
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01:44:41.279 --> 01:44:43.439
one point that they were gonna that was pitched to
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01:44:43.520 --> 01:44:47.039
tell on the air, So your girlfriend's not that far off.
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01:44:47.640 --> 01:44:50.760
But anyway, those are our unfiltered views from a non
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01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:54.399
fan being quote forced to watch with her boyfriend that
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01:44:54.439 --> 01:44:56.720
she moved in with. So Jake, Yeah, I mean diferent
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01:44:56.720 --> 01:44:59.600
people see through different lenses, but sometimes the purest lenses.
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01:44:59.640 --> 01:45:02.319
Somebody who there's no bagage, they just react in the
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01:45:02.359 --> 01:45:04.680
moment to what they're watching and judge it on the
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01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:09.239
standard of regular storytelling on TV, as opposed to making
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01:45:09.279 --> 01:45:13.000
excuses for it either way on the wrestling As long
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01:45:13.039 --> 01:45:13.760
time wrestling.
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01:45:13.520 --> 01:45:16.760
Viewers, I couldn't imagine being a new fan at this point.
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01:45:16.880 --> 01:45:19.720
And maybe it's just because I'm so deep into this
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01:45:19.800 --> 01:45:23.039
process that it's difficult to see that perspective, but I
2181
01:45:23.039 --> 01:45:26.199
would imagine that it's basically incomprehensible for anybody who's just
2182
01:45:26.239 --> 01:45:28.479
starting to watch for the first time, Like, how could
2183
01:45:28.479 --> 01:45:32.079
you even begin to, you know, try to digest all
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01:45:32.119 --> 01:45:37.840
of the built in excuses and you know, references and
2185
01:45:38.479 --> 01:45:42.439
you know, storyline callbacks. It must be an incredibly difficult
2186
01:45:42.479 --> 01:45:45.560
thing to get through, because if you're somebody who hasn't
2187
01:45:45.560 --> 01:45:47.520
watched for years. There's just a lot of things that
2188
01:45:47.560 --> 01:45:50.079
happen on this show without explanation that you're just supposed
2189
01:45:50.079 --> 01:45:53.279
to understand. And I for a new viewer without somebody
2190
01:45:53.319 --> 01:45:55.000
there to explain it to you, it just must be
2191
01:45:55.119 --> 01:45:56.880
like some kind of alien language.
2192
01:45:56.920 --> 01:46:00.079
You're trying to figure out. Alien language you're trying to
2193
01:46:00.119 --> 01:46:02.359
figure out. Yeah, I would, I would. I would not
2194
01:46:02.399 --> 01:46:07.319
want to be the government person decoding WWE the WWE
2195
01:46:07.359 --> 01:46:11.079
language and try to figure out the stories because it's nonsense.
2196
01:46:11.119 --> 01:46:16.119
But okay, Stevie says, do you think maybe Rowan is
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01:46:16.159 --> 01:46:18.000
filling in for a role that might have been meant
2198
01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:20.359
for Lars Sullivan. It feels as if they have changed
2199
01:46:20.399 --> 01:46:22.479
Rohan's character to fit some of the characteristics that were
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01:46:22.479 --> 01:46:24.399
a parent in Lars might have just spent the match
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01:46:24.720 --> 01:46:26.920
B was building towards before his departure.
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01:46:27.479 --> 01:46:30.479
I hadn't thought about it that way, but I could.
2203
01:46:30.600 --> 01:46:34.800
I could definitely see where the emailer would get that impression.
2204
01:46:34.960 --> 01:46:38.239
Although if that were the case, why wouldn't you just
2205
01:46:38.399 --> 01:46:41.039
scrap it until he got back. I don't know why
2206
01:46:41.039 --> 01:46:45.279
you would proceed forward with a member of the of
2207
01:46:45.319 --> 01:46:48.399
the roster that you haven't taken seriously in any way
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01:46:48.439 --> 01:46:50.800
in years. You know, it just seems like a strange
2209
01:46:51.319 --> 01:46:54.039
audible to call in that sense. But I mean I
2210
01:46:54.079 --> 01:46:57.079
could see where he would correlate some of the personality
2211
01:46:57.119 --> 01:47:00.680
traits to what Lars had been doing. But at the
2212
01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:03.239
same time, I just don't know why you wouldn't shelve
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01:47:03.239 --> 01:47:05.079
it until you were ready to make it happen when
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01:47:05.119 --> 01:47:05.680
he got back.
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01:47:05.920 --> 01:47:08.600
Yeah, And I mean, if this was a well done storyline,
2216
01:47:08.600 --> 01:47:10.960
that would be a whole other thing too, but it's not.
2217
01:47:13.039 --> 01:47:16.000
So Yeah. I mean, and for those wondering he's probably
2218
01:47:17.159 --> 01:47:20.560
going to be back in in the like next summer,
2219
01:47:21.439 --> 01:47:24.479
it's a it's a rough knee injury, and he he
2220
01:47:24.560 --> 01:47:27.439
got last time he had uh he had I guess
2221
01:47:27.520 --> 01:47:29.720
surgeries back in June, And last time he had that
2222
01:47:29.800 --> 01:47:33.079
kind of surgery he was out about six months. It's
2223
01:47:33.079 --> 01:47:35.439
a six to nine month recovery. So you can kind
2224
01:47:35.439 --> 01:47:37.000
of do the math on that and figure it out.
2225
01:47:37.039 --> 01:47:40.760
So probably post WrestleMania all all goes well on the timeline.
2226
01:47:42.199 --> 01:47:45.680
But yeah, I mean, if they had, if they were
2227
01:47:45.720 --> 01:47:47.319
in love with a storyline, I think they have to
2228
01:47:47.319 --> 01:47:51.000
revisit what what storylines they fall in love with because
2229
01:47:51.520 --> 01:47:55.039
Rowan or Lars Uh, it wasn't wasn't good. But anyway,
2230
01:47:55.520 --> 01:47:59.039
all right, let's see who's up. Max and Stevie. Sorry
2231
01:47:59.039 --> 01:48:01.680
for bearing yesterday with your attraction. I was not trying
2232
01:48:02.760 --> 01:48:05.439
to bury him, although I might have called him out
2233
01:48:05.439 --> 01:48:07.079
a little bit. Anyway, you can listen to yesterday show.
2234
01:48:07.239 --> 01:48:09.159
He said it was heel Wayne who only shows up
2235
01:48:09.159 --> 01:48:11.079
on the Fix, and he thinks I showed up on
2236
01:48:11.359 --> 01:48:12.239
Raw and I should get food.
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01:48:17.800 --> 01:48:20.800
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All Right, The Beans prom La says Smackdonald's writing team
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01:48:58.720 --> 01:49:00.000
seems to be on a mission to roll you up.
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01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:03.399
Weighed with their ological storytelling that Kevin Owens behavior made
2252
01:49:03.399 --> 01:49:07.600
no sense. Mission accomplished. I guess awful, so yeah, we
2253
01:49:08.640 --> 01:49:12.439
cover that this subject line. What the hell are they doing? Wait,
2254
01:49:12.479 --> 01:49:14.119
I'm frustrated. I've been a loyal to w TOB fan
2255
01:49:14.159 --> 01:49:15.600
for thirty four years. I've been through the good times
2256
01:49:15.600 --> 01:49:18.319
in the bat. What I watched tonight was a complete
2257
01:49:18.359 --> 01:49:20.800
slap in my face. I'm aware injuries happened, but to
2258
01:49:20.800 --> 01:49:24.000
put Shane in the position as Eliza's replacement is insane.
2259
01:49:24.199 --> 01:49:25.680
It would have been better and given more shine to
2260
01:49:25.720 --> 01:49:27.600
Gable if he ran a many gauntlet. At the end
2261
01:49:27.600 --> 01:49:29.560
of the night, no one was thinking about Gable. It
2262
01:49:29.640 --> 01:49:32.399
was all about Shane and his shitty punches. Oh, in
2263
01:49:32.439 --> 01:49:34.880
another firing angle. Give me a break. I'll be forty
2264
01:49:34.920 --> 01:49:37.439
next year and it might be time to give WWE
2265
01:49:37.680 --> 01:49:40.439
a break. From week to week, it's like they take
2266
01:49:40.439 --> 01:49:44.399
two steps forward and twenty steps back. Signed frustrated fan
2267
01:49:44.600 --> 01:49:49.600
Trevor from Coconut Creek, Florida. I mean, Jake, serious question.
2268
01:49:49.680 --> 01:49:54.960
How much do you think these storylines are driving people
2269
01:49:55.039 --> 01:49:57.600
away or on the or are causing them to be
2270
01:49:57.600 --> 01:49:59.119
on the verge of being driven away? Like do you
2271
01:49:59.159 --> 01:50:02.840
think it matters or do you think we're right in
2272
01:50:02.920 --> 01:50:06.159
our criticism, But in the end that this type of
2273
01:50:06.159 --> 01:50:08.279
thing isn't enough to drive away significant number of people,
2274
01:50:08.279 --> 01:50:09.960
because they really stay around for other things.
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01:50:10.680 --> 01:50:10.880
You know.
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01:50:12.279 --> 01:50:14.239
I think there's a certain element to the audience that
2277
01:50:14.319 --> 01:50:16.880
does get driven away, you know, by these things, and
2278
01:50:16.920 --> 01:50:20.920
I don't know how significant it is in comparison to
2279
01:50:21.720 --> 01:50:25.119
the overall drop the company has been experiencing because of
2280
01:50:25.159 --> 01:50:29.399
the cable decline. You know, trying to find the you know,
2281
01:50:29.560 --> 01:50:32.439
the drop of water that we're looking for in that
2282
01:50:32.680 --> 01:50:36.439
flood would be difficult. But I do think, you know,
2283
01:50:36.479 --> 01:50:39.159
people are right to criticize the bad stories. I do
2284
01:50:39.199 --> 01:50:43.399
think that WWE has a lot of untapped potential because
2285
01:50:43.439 --> 01:50:47.920
they're held back by their their creative misfires and issues
2286
01:50:47.960 --> 01:50:51.760
that would not be allowed to happen on any competently
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01:50:52.640 --> 01:50:56.880
produced television show. You know, the types of you know,
2288
01:50:57.279 --> 01:51:02.720
plot holes and drop stories and one dimensional characters, and
2289
01:51:03.199 --> 01:51:06.560
you know, there's issues that you know, if you if
2290
01:51:06.600 --> 01:51:10.399
you weren't such a fan of the I guess of
2291
01:51:10.680 --> 01:51:13.760
the of the business of professional wrestling, it would be
2292
01:51:13.800 --> 01:51:17.359
difficult for anybody logically to excuse many of these things.
2293
01:51:17.399 --> 01:51:19.760
But you know, if you're a fan, you love it,
2294
01:51:19.840 --> 01:51:22.039
and so you know, I think at the end of
2295
01:51:22.039 --> 01:51:25.399
the day, where there. Most people are probably sticking around,
2296
01:51:25.399 --> 01:51:27.600
but there are you know, fans like the emailer who
2297
01:51:27.680 --> 01:51:29.600
eventually reach a breaking point where they're just like, I
2298
01:51:30.319 --> 01:51:33.880
can't put up with this anymore. And so where you
2299
01:51:33.920 --> 01:51:36.680
know what percentage of the overall fan base that is
2300
01:51:36.359 --> 01:51:40.680
is difficult and probably unknowable, but I think there, you know,
2301
01:51:40.880 --> 01:51:43.960
it's not insignificant because I you know, if you follow
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01:51:44.119 --> 01:51:47.399
WWE's social media, there's people who say that all the time. Now,
2303
01:51:47.640 --> 01:51:49.479
whether or not they watch the next Tuesday is a
2304
01:51:49.680 --> 01:51:50.359
thing altogether.
2305
01:51:51.600 --> 01:51:55.039
Another frustrated fan, Freddy from the UK, a v IP member,
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01:51:55.079 --> 01:51:57.479
Thank you, Freddie for your people to torture me FP membership,
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01:51:57.760 --> 01:52:01.279
says Highway to Jake. The current owned storyline situation frustrates
2308
01:52:01.319 --> 01:52:04.359
me immensely. WWE has dropped the ball with Owens on
2309
01:52:04.359 --> 01:52:06.800
a number of occasions. Now Owens has a major upside,
2310
01:52:06.800 --> 01:52:08.359
in my opinion, one of the best on the mic,
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01:52:08.720 --> 01:52:12.000
but typical WWB booking has made him look pitiful. I
2312
01:52:12.039 --> 01:52:14.520
think that's actually a really good description. Ko seemed his
2313
01:52:14.640 --> 01:52:17.399
character is pitiful at this point. Having him worry about
2314
01:52:17.399 --> 01:52:20.239
a fine from the WWE hierarchy and bowing to Shane's
2315
01:52:20.239 --> 01:52:24.079
proposal made Owens lose credibility, the positive similarities to Steve
2316
01:52:24.119 --> 01:52:26.960
bos that appear to me no more. How do you
2317
01:52:27.000 --> 01:52:30.199
feel WWW has handled a booking and creative Kevin Owens. Well,
2318
01:52:30.359 --> 01:52:33.119
just rewind and listen back, because we certainly cover that.
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01:52:33.800 --> 01:52:38.000
They get an F an absolute F grade for what
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01:52:38.039 --> 01:52:40.159
they've done to Ko. I mean it feels like they're
2321
01:52:40.159 --> 01:52:41.720
trying to bury him on his way out of the company.
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01:52:41.840 --> 01:52:43.520
I mean, this is not what you do if you're
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01:52:43.520 --> 01:52:46.159
trying to build somebody into a money player. And I
2324
01:52:46.159 --> 01:52:48.199
put money in quotes, but you know, somebody who you
2325
01:52:48.279 --> 01:52:52.479
bank on to be a central part of main events storylines.
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01:52:52.880 --> 01:52:56.439
I'm yeah, it's pitiful. Yeah, I don't really have a
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01:52:56.439 --> 01:52:56.960
ton to add.
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01:52:57.000 --> 01:53:01.159
I mean, other than you know, I do think, as
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01:53:01.199 --> 01:53:04.279
somebody who's been a proponent of of you know, a
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01:53:04.279 --> 01:53:07.560
more prominent role for Kevin Owens, that they were on
2331
01:53:07.600 --> 01:53:10.479
the right track at one point. You know, I think
2332
01:53:10.560 --> 01:53:14.479
Kevin Owens as a as a blue collar every man,
2333
01:53:14.880 --> 01:53:17.960
kind of family man type character could have been a
2334
01:53:18.000 --> 01:53:20.600
success story if it would have been played the right way.
2335
01:53:20.680 --> 01:53:23.640
But I think they've you know, they've they've ruled him
2336
01:53:23.680 --> 01:53:27.359
full of plot holes and and and bad character choices
2337
01:53:27.359 --> 01:53:29.479
at this point, it's impossible to get a handle on
2338
01:53:30.119 --> 01:53:33.800
who he thinks he is. And I think that's that's
2339
01:53:33.800 --> 01:53:35.239
something that you could apply to a lot of the
2340
01:53:35.279 --> 01:53:37.520
wrestlers on the show in terms of some of the
2341
01:53:37.520 --> 01:53:40.319
waffling they do from a character perspective. But it's just
2342
01:53:40.359 --> 01:53:43.359
been another level of egregious with Owens lately.
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01:53:43.600 --> 01:53:46.520
Yeah, all right, that's the end of the email the
2344
01:53:46.560 --> 01:53:49.119
mail bag, although we did get an on site report
2345
01:53:49.199 --> 01:53:52.600
from uh Stephen M who was in MSG. So Frank
2346
01:53:52.600 --> 01:53:55.000
didn't stay for the dark match after two five lives,
2347
01:53:55.000 --> 01:53:56.399
So I'll just read a couple of bullet points here
2348
01:53:56.399 --> 01:53:59.039
that he said about the fiend Bray Wide against me
2349
01:53:59.159 --> 01:54:01.680
tem match. The entrance was longer than the match. I
2350
01:54:01.720 --> 01:54:03.640
was on the opposite side of the ring from the entrance.
2351
01:54:03.760 --> 01:54:05.640
Bray had a lantern. Not one hundred percent sure if
2352
01:54:05.640 --> 01:54:08.239
it was the head, but probably was one or two
2353
01:54:08.319 --> 01:54:11.039
moves on each then a quick sister Abigail to bow
2354
01:54:11.119 --> 01:54:14.199
and amandable claw to axle for the win. Strobe light
2355
01:54:14.239 --> 01:54:16.199
effect was cool to see. He posted in the ring
2356
01:54:16.279 --> 01:54:18.039
for a second, the lights went off, and then we
2357
01:54:18.039 --> 01:54:20.079
saw him run up the ramp and then he posed again.
2358
01:54:20.239 --> 01:54:22.800
With the strobe. Then the lights came on, the house
2359
01:54:22.800 --> 01:54:25.760
flights came on, and the ringnouncer said, good night. I
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01:54:25.760 --> 01:54:29.119
guess your course finding didn't stay a legit. The biggest
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crowd ration was a baby during two of five Live.
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There were multiple chants, probably not the Father of the Year,
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01:54:34.720 --> 01:54:40.079
but I most enjoyed it restlessly waiting for Bray. He said.
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The entrance postmatch range for the whole Bray thing was
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01:54:43.840 --> 01:54:46.560
four to five minutes for Bray, and the match itself
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01:54:47.079 --> 01:54:50.439
was under two. So anyway, so that just kind of
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01:54:50.520 --> 01:54:54.479
rounds out what we didn't hear from. Franko left before that. Jake,
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01:54:54.520 --> 01:54:56.720
thanks so much. Next time you're on, I hope that
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we talk about the redemption of SmackDown with whatever they
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do on Fox to improve things.
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Yeah, I'm with you. I hope we have a lot
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01:55:03.720 --> 01:55:06.279
more positive things to say. I don't like talking negatively
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01:55:06.319 --> 01:55:07.920
about wrestling, but you got to call them like you
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01:55:07.960 --> 01:55:08.319
see him.
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01:55:08.840 --> 01:55:09.039
I know.
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Yeah, that's the thing, And I mean, nobody who's a
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01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:14.079
w B fan should apologize for being critical. Don't say
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01:55:14.079 --> 01:55:16.560
you're a hater. You are a consumer who should have
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01:55:16.640 --> 01:55:20.279
high standards that WWE should meet in order to retain
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01:55:20.319 --> 01:55:23.520
your viewership and attract you to spend money on them
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01:55:23.560 --> 01:55:25.880
with your limited budgets, and they are not living up
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to the standards that you deserve as a wrestling fan.
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01:55:29.479 --> 01:55:32.000
So do not feel bad being critical anymore than a
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01:55:32.039 --> 01:55:34.119
team that a sports team that you follow that does
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01:55:34.159 --> 01:55:35.960
bone headed things on the field or off the field.
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01:55:36.199 --> 01:55:39.520
You have every right to complain and demand better. And
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01:55:39.760 --> 01:55:43.199
this is I think undeniably a really really bad stretch
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01:55:43.319 --> 01:55:46.520
of time for WWE with some of these key storylines.
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Not everything they're doing is bad, and there's absolutely shows
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01:55:49.000 --> 01:55:53.319
I enjoy, but the asterisk of how poor a job
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01:55:53.359 --> 01:55:56.319
they're doing with some of these top storylines is just alarming.
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01:55:56.359 --> 01:55:58.680
I mean, I just I don't understand how they can
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01:55:59.720 --> 01:56:02.960
produce use a script or a storyline and not have
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01:56:03.079 --> 01:56:06.239
it jump off the page as as as pitiful. And
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01:56:06.479 --> 01:56:08.439
I think it's pitiful, and I think, honestly, I think
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people should be should should reside or be fired over this.
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01:56:10.840 --> 01:56:13.920
And and that does not stop shorter thancent man if
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01:56:13.920 --> 01:56:16.199
this is what he's coming up with, reproving it really
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01:56:16.319 --> 01:56:18.800
is time to h to reshuffle things because I don't
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01:56:18.800 --> 01:56:25.039
think this is sustainable for viewers. Okay, thanks Jake once again,
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01:56:26.000 --> 01:56:28.279
thank you you too. It's like you pull the string
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01:56:28.359 --> 01:56:31.439
and then another rant about the terrible storyline just comes out.
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01:56:32.640 --> 01:56:36.479
But yeah, well anyway, follow me on Twitter at the
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But next week we've got a triple header for you
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I'll be on the air after the two hour RENX
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show premieres on USA Network, the first hour in USA,
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the second hour on WWE Network. After that WWE Network
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second hour, we will go live on the air, taking
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just like the format for Ron SmackDown. So keep that
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