396 Super J-Cast EVIL and Others Wave Goodbye

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[SPEAKER_02]: So everybody, welcome to the SuperJayCost.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll show the joint by David McDonald.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is Wednesday 21st of January 2026.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is episode 396, David, how we did it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: 5% of the year have gone already, y'all, and I don't even know that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 5% of the most depressing week of the year, right week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was last week, I heard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love winter, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're end supposedly this weekend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Potatoed with some snow, they're expecting anywhere from several inches to feet of snow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're gonna get our fucking, we're gonna get a hand into us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna get it fist right in a butt with the snow monsters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I probably like winter, I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I prefer it over the summer any day of the week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's shit here, it's all gray and cold and rainy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is this thing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, you live in fucking paradise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if you take a little bit of bed weather, yes, it appeared to be paradise when you visit go over the sun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'd love to help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what the best part was was, the
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[SPEAKER_01]: morning when we went out on your back deck patio area and overlooking the wonderful scenery and the little breeze that was coming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, fucking heaven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lovely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lovely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's like it's freezing fucking cold right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like single digits outside right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, we're going to get hit with some fucking snow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, this weather report brought to you by Verizon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's what people have cheated to hear, then what do you hear?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it takes about the weather.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, everything's British winters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Chew it into a fight out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ted, don't let's please dig in your wallet, meteorology buffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mother Watchers, I hate people who get so fucking...
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... pernicky over snow it's like you have you you you you you're not going to starve to death number one uh... number two uh... you'll be out of your driveway by it like in an hour or two like fucking relax people the people going to a panic a do a fucking panic like that like their aliens phoning from the fucking sky it's snow you've seen that last year read a fucklacks
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that was a great smokey is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what else?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He knows, I don't like people on my lawn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're too old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fox talking about weather, but we have news.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have lots to talk about today because if you are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as Joe likes to say, if you got your fucking wallet out already, you know, we'll give you as much details as we can, but yeah, a lot of, a lot of, a lot of, a lot of shaking going on in the world, the New Japan pro wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, $10 subscribers would have enjoyed me, Jay Michael, have a little fight side chat about the state of New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you want some bonus audio content, it's a $10 feed, but it's the $5 feed, which is red hot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's white hot today, don't pop it off with delicious juicy bits of Australia, be all over the shop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And,
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're listening to this live on YouTube, or if you're listening to the Patreon early upload of this, then you will already do this information, but I think we're just gonna discuss it openly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: With this option, that's gonna break containment at some point because I've already seen Sean Rossap doing little gift quote tweets about stuff related to this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to come out sooner or later, but we were first, that's the important thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I will say this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we were first to make it official, but I believe Sean put out something like the first week of something like hinting that it might be a possibility, but here we go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To be fair, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're talking about evil, basically, and evil does that every year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what we have been told, just get straight to the point, shall we?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have been told that evil is done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Finish with New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: his last match was yesterday the show on January 20th and he's said if a WWE to join his partner is a e-o-sky
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's that, which, like, what was your initial reaction to that, David, when you heard a bit surprising?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know that there was little rumbles, little, you know, things that had kind of happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I heard that sort of, he had been going, he'd been saying goodbye to everyone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I've, everyone just assumed that he was just taking the same earlier break that he had done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Last year, I don't know if he'd done that the year before that, but nobody was saying to me, oh, yeah, he's he's gone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So waking up to that news was a bit shocking and then
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was followed up with more texts and conversation about a litany of people who will be saying goodbye in the very near future to New Japan Pro Wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where you come in, Joel, and you said, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'll give it to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give it to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you the ball to spill the beans, if you will.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got distracted because they'll write Alvarez and wrestling was ever used letter at talking about this as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, we got caught, brought us to talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I've well done those people who are smart enough to pony up the five bucks because you would have heard this way before anyone else did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, I don't know, I've just looked at a tweet here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's not really much detail of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, well, where should we have, where should we start, which, which name should we start with first?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I just talk about evil first.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know a lot of Western fans are going to be popping out the sharing page for this one, because they don't like evil.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They don't know how to torture.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't necessarily think this means how to torture is going away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think more than likely that they just pass leadership to someone else where the, you know, maybe it's docking, you know, they positioned him as this god of the genius division could be him could have a genius lead in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think this necessarily means house of torture is going anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just,
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[SPEAKER_02]: For me personally, I think this is a loss for New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think evil whilst you weren't not like the way he's been booked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a consummate professional and he was there at the end of the day to put people over and make other people look good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was fucking great at that as we outlined for our rest of Kingdom Review.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was an absolute masterclass, the way you put over Aaron Wolf.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a shame, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a loss.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, all roasters need someone like E4 and on another note, I was hoping that at some point we would get the redemption arc for him, where he turns baby face and rejects how his torch and does with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But this is the nature of the beast, isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like when?
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[SPEAKER_02]: guys leave the company, you don't always get them having done everything you want of them to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's always a few things to say, oh, you know, I just wish they'd done this wish to them this, but with that being said, Evalid accomplished pretty much everything there is to accomplish in Egypt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: relative to his, his level of talent, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this is not a guy who you would have expected or demanded to be like headlining a Wrestle Kingdom or being the ace of a company, but for a guy who was a very solid, if unspectacular worker, reliable, selfless, he achieved a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He had
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[SPEAKER_02]: think you deserve that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's not like, oh, we've left so much money on the table with evil, leaving the company.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the big picture thought from me here is that roster, I need to say, roster over, roster turnover is good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So whilst, you know, I might be a little bit disappointed for the reasons I've outlined, him leaving gives a huge opportunity for someone else to step up to that role.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it does make me want to, you know, all this stuff that's been going on with
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[SPEAKER_02]: evil so it's way out and like is is it calumnum is going to be the top here in the company no because could be that could be Jake Lee I don't know could be someone else in house the torch and maybe there's so many possibilities and that that is exciting that when a big name like evil leaves it that frees up a spot of the roster for someone else to step up and take the opportunity so there's a silver lining so that I agree I agree would just add everything you said in a sense of
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[SPEAKER_01]: The guy is one of the rare New Japan Pro Wrestling Mainstays, so to speak, that has done it all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, for ever, he will be in that video montage of IWGP Champions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he's had great matches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's had some disappointing matches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's had like, like, I, like, there's not a guy on that roster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do I think, you know, maybe like guys like Kenny or, um, oh, like, I was probably
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[SPEAKER_01]: like the evil is probably as long as we've been doing this show is probably top of if not the top of the list when it comes to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, again, there are times where you just shake your head and you're like, why is he doing this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's other times where it's like, well, yeah, of course they trusted him in a big spot to put over a guy in his first pro wrestling match in front of, you know, near 50,000 at the Tokyo Do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, but yeah, makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think even when he was at his most controversial, I don't feel any of the anger and the vitro was ever directed at him specifically.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was more the booking, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he think that he was doing with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, you know, it was generally accepted that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a, you know, good company guy who's just doing what it's told.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And especially with this one, this one wasn't a bad blood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A, I'm leaving to to get the bag.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He saw that little clip of EOS guy leaping into triple H's arms of rap at a legs round.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like fucking really wriggle on the phone now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're putting a fucking end of this shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I can't imagine trying to have a relationship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like it's already difficult being a pro wrestler and having that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's your job and you're on the road so often and you're rarely home and when you are home, you're trying to make the most of it, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a tough life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, both of them, in separate areas of the world, yeah, I mean, I can't fault the guy at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll probably make a little extra money on the side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I'm really looking forward to seeing all the WWE fans like trying to gas him off and say how brilliant he was like, what a huge get this is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually kind of curious how WWE might use him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's pure sports sense to type of, isn't he?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he really is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The rest of Kigden was like, yeah, this guy's like tail-abade for that kind of American style pro wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, fuck yeah, I mean, yes, no doubt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, again, the problem is, is that, again, taking the at home, the relationship, the marriage, the whole nine yards, just try to take that out of the equation, maybe difficult to do, but let's just,
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[SPEAKER_01]: let's just humor ourselves, take that out of the equation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it was a bit of a shock to have him be a guy that would be going to WWE, just like on the surface, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like what you said is absolutely true, where you know, looking at it without New Japan goggles, he is perfect for WWE.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But still, it was just like one of those, wow, we, like a very interesting move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there I say a little bit ballsy, because again, you would hope that WWE would do something with them and make him bigger than he is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Currently, in the pecking order of professional wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we also know that WWE sometimes shits the fucking bet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of times shits the fucking bet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, I think everyone's expecting a, we're going to enhance the comic book aspect of evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure that'll be magnified a thousand percent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And but I am curious like I will I will absolutely watch his debut.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of am curious what not kind of I am curious as to what they might do with them for new Japan again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It opens the door for a lot of people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does remove an element and I'm speaking for the Western fan base.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's there's a lot that are just like file drive them to the fucking airport.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just just so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to be subjective to more house a torture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it doesn't mean house a torture is done, but it gives them an opportunity to put it the bed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that could be exciting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that could be fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think to put the spotlight on other people, I think, let's see what happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm down for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking forward to like a big WWE show that's headline by Cody again's evil.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can I just somewhat tell you that in 2018?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no big stars in the WWE.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What a time to be alive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Will he be on this year's WrestleMania show?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, why don't like let's put me the Royal Robble.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go big.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, when is the Royal Robble?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that like this weekend?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's in Saudi Arabia, isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Okay, I'll I'll I'll he would have a hell of a resubated entrance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you kidding me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It would be amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was really, it's not a WWE fan so badly, David, they're going to be like, oh, fucking super Jake, guys, that glazing WWE.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy for the guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's an RB?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Finally making it to the big leagues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, geez, Louise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Joel, when you have reached the top wrestling company in the world, you got to be happy for the guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm proud of him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My boy, what's an RB?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's done it now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, listen, I'm glad he gets to spend time with his fucking wife, you know, and again, gets to be on national television, Netflix, if that's national television, wherever the fuck they are now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good for everybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's happy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so that's evil.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who else, who are we seeing there's more?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll just read the quote we're given.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the season's chopping block seems to be Sanada, Evil, Fiddly, Gabe, and Hiromu.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Sanada, Nick Fusion, Surgery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we've heard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is a long tough road.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no guarantees about coming out the other edge of that, being able to wrestle again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would say, by the way, because I wouldn't be holding my breath to see, so that a back in New Japan in the future, are you able to say, page?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, when you start talking about spine, neck, and especially, again, I'm at saying, like, he's 65 and he's already the collector pension, but, you know, he's up there
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, is it worth it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are all questions he's going to have to answer for himself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would make a nice story, if you were able to make that happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would, I would, and I did that in my story in pro-Resting Noah, please.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I would, I thought I'd need your time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, like, give me one match and I'm rooting for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, I'm rooting for him, the fucking,
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[SPEAKER_01]: come on the other side of this and be able to wrestle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's that's tricky, it's tricky.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd rather, well, he is, he's erring on the side of caution at this point in the sense of he's going away and getting surgery and getting taken care of his health and as he should.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we can only hope that, you know, again, he's able to get back in the ring once again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So third day there was Fiddly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think I've sort of been higher than David Fiddly than most people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's a tremendous wrestler.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's been crucial in helping this new crop of homegrown stars, I say stars, but homegrown guys do his absolute best to get them over by having really high quality matches.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think sort of technical standpoint in rigs, he's an outstanding wrestler.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, kind of in the evil, I think he's, I know he's not won the world title, but he's one of these guys where I think him not winning the world title makes the world title more prestigious.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's not everyone should win the world title.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he'll be in a nearly guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's actually good for the IWGP championship.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, probably he's seeing it in the company.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think
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[SPEAKER_02]: you've had ever saw him as a top-top guy, like as someone who could win a G1 or head-line a rest of Kingdom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think similar to evil, like very talented, committed, professional, solid how to do everything he can to make the other wrestlers look good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But again, I'm filing this one on dirt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: roster turnover is good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And him leaving is going to free up a spot for someone else, which is probably Kalam Yumid, who seems to have very nicely slid into that spot as being the top foreign heel in the company.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And those two are going to wrestling each other at new beginning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, this is not confirmed that David Finley is going, but there have been plenty of rumors circulating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously there's the connections with WWWW with his dad's
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a fair chance he ends up in NXT and not from anything we've heard, but just by looking at the way he has booked the fact that he has been downcycleed since winning the New Japan Cup.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To me, indicates that there's a kind of mutual understanding that he's probably not going to stick around and
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, maybe he wouldn't that huge a pan cut was, I don't know if they would have known that back there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be probably not kind of stretching a bit, but that could have been his sort of gold watch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for all the years of service.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Having huge a pan cut off you go, but that's just probably a bit of a stretch, but yeah, tremendous wrestler, but time to move on, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See, and to be clear, his name was in the list of people that were moving on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We, at thousands of percent, understand that he has a match at new beginning against Calum, we would assume that that will tie into this in some way, shape, or form, whether that's, you know, they pull a J-white and say, okay, you can't wrestle here anymore or it's a battle of, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But his name definitely was on that list of a person who would very near future not be with New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he never got a fair shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if New Japan kind of felt that way, it was really, I don't know, you can't put a guy in what,
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[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of people associate with New Japan pro wrestling and tell that he's the leader of this faction of bullet club and then kind of go half-hearted on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He, I think he's very much underrated and very much underappreciated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, another name, and we have a few that we'll talk about here, another name that came up through the New Japan system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I think there's always been whispers and always been, you know, when we talk about guys that could potentially be leaving without any information.
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[SPEAKER_01]: his name always seemed to surface, and I think, you know, the things where, you know, I think it was his dad that was talking about stuff of him may be possibly leaving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was, you know, a good couple of years ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it is, again, this is not an ococious situation where it's a fuck this company I'm out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like David Finley,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just time to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, everything I heard backstage was like, he is like a proper New Japan soldier.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He would do whatever the company telling to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think any kind of bad blood whatsoever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, none.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That said, again, I don't know if he's ever really got his due at New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a tough, like everything that he was able to do
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[SPEAKER_01]: while in New Japan was, and I think he would be the first to say it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to put words into the guy's mouth, but it was an up, you see, he's swimming upstream, constantly swimming upstream, and, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's that perfect example of if you don't treat a guy like he's serious then it's hard to for people to get invested in it and I never really thought they went all in on him and again if they felt like he wasn't a guy that could be put in those spots then don't put him in it Spot like that like create something new for the guy
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[SPEAKER_02]: You just declare it like, do you think they should have gone all in with it because I never thought he'd never had that like tip top charisma of like a Acadio maker or J.
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[SPEAKER_02]: White and AJ Styles like he was brilliant in the ring, but he just he never had that I don't know
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's hard because it's a perception, like a lot of people see him and saw him as young lion David Finley, and it was hard for people to, and not only young lion David Finley, but it felt like always in the lower middle car David Finley, and it was just such a fucking grind to get him to a certain point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And once they did get him to a certain point, it was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: he's the new leader of Bulletcloth and people kind of weren't into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's partially the company.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, there is an argument to be made.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if we're going down the list of, of, of, of
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[SPEAKER_02]: go shoulder to shoulder with Kenny and AJ and even Jay White so they will give it like big things out of the game whether it be like G1 wins or IWGP title wins to really submit the fact that there are a top guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you have to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, just by making, putting him in that position, that's a tough road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't, again, if the company's not going to go all in, if they're going to go 75%, that's tough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, to me, he's a guy that I feel like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: is going to be it's going to be a bigger loss than people think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying like Gates are going to drop in businesses in the shitter and oh, but I think like they're he is people throw around solid hand a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like like he's a guy that I think will be missed
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[SPEAKER_01]: with the current group that's waving goodbye, like that's what there are a lot of holes to be filled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, with the one thing that just troubles me a little bit is the fact that these are all homegrown guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Except Sonata, let me take them back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sonata, obviously not, but you get my point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So far, evil David Finley, but there is more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just will cover to the next one, but I just think this is the natural life cycle of a foreign wrestler in New Japan and I think people might miss and not give credit for what he did for his opponents if you think of his series of matches with guys like
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, to sugy or er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er, er er, er er, er er, er er, er er, er er er er er er er er er er er er er er er er er
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[SPEAKER_01]: the upper middle of the car gets a little bit lighter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's people that are going to need to step up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it is opportunity for a lot of people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know there are probably a lot of salivating mouths there, just waiting for that opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, those are evil and David Finley are two really solid guys in the middle of your show that's going to be missed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the next game, gay kids, I think we've talked plenty of about him before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's not a huge amount to say there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, my understanding was that he would like to have a dual contract, but I'm a bit skeptical on the value of those because, you know, you don't want to share your toys with other people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's no good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I'd just be repeating myself at this point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think from an overexstant point, there is still a lot of value in gay kids and maybe playing that role that fully played in helping the new guys get to that next level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, have a program matches where he's against the guy like you, or a guy like, oh, well, or a guy like you to ice, like that will be really, really good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not chasing gay about the door, but I think the ship has settled in him ever being a top guy in New Japan,
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[SPEAKER_02]: the potential was absolutely there after Wrestle Dynasty last year in that match with Kenny Omega, but he wanted to have his cake and eat it and I do stand by my original assessment that the work he did in a W.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fundamentally compromised the character he was trying to present in New Japan and he never really recovered from that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So whilst he's still You know, very talented wrestler with a lot to offer He's never gonna be a top New Japan guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm a bivalent on him with whether he stays or go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm probably expected him to go He's
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that this one was at this appointment in the sense of, you know, this time last year, we couldn't rave enough about him and the potential and how he's leaning into this, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: defender of New Japan and how everything felt authentic and everything felt like touches and tastes of how a lot of people were feeling in the state of New Japan and being a fan of New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was kind of saying the things we were all thinking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then that kind of dried up rather
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[SPEAKER_01]: in the opening week of G1 that didn't help at all, um, and then, you know, he's out jumping off fucking cages and shit net AEW, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just kind of like, well, wait, what's happening here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's happening?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's happening?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's going on?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that is a big disappointment
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, injuries never help, obviously, but it was more than that, and I think when the Native New Japan Pro Wrestling fan started to feel, what the fuck is this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're a lot of talk, but you're saying one thing, but you're doing another thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that it was more of a Japanese kind of, what the fuck's going on as opposed to Western dorks, you know, kind of spewing off of the mouth about what they went from a Japanese-pergressing promotion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, again, we always say, we're not going to fall a guy for chase in the bag.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, again, I don't think this is a situation where I mean, look, gay kids are not liked by everyone in that fucking company.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me be very clear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, you know, it's, it's a matter of,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You made your bad, and good luck, you know, that's really what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there is a big taste of disappointment for me anyway of what could have been.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the last day that's rumored by our sources to be on as well is, you know, which, again, it would be a big surprise for a lot of people, but I understand, like, well, I remember
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[SPEAKER_02]: years ago, David, we were talking about him like he was a transcendental cannot miss an absolute nail doll maker staff at this company, if they just move you to heavyweight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And for what we hear, he was asked to do that, but he was quite happy with the role that he had in the
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[SPEAKER_02]: could be complete bullshit, who knows?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It felt like last year the match as he had put it over Jose Fujita and Francisco Akira in best of the super Judas and the post match probos he was giving in that tournament really to me felt like that was it he was dollars a junior and he was going to be moving up to heavyweight but then obviously something has changed
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[SPEAKER_02]: and that never happened, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He had his heavyweight tag run, well, Oprah weight tag run.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For call it that with nighto, you know, flirted a bit with heavyweight, where he'd had these Oprah weight matches with nighto, with in R.A. People like that, but whatever reason, never really pulled the trigger on him becoming a heavyweight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it seems like, again, that chip was sold at this point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And from what we hear,
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[SPEAKER_02]: possibly more interested in following Nito down whatever path he's going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's hard not to look at who I was leaving potentially leaving as another missed opportunity, but...
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I'm looking at it in terms of him freeing up space in the junior division, a roster turnover, like I think I've seen enough of where we've tack-hashed at this point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Love the guy, great rest there, very charismatic, but I'm not going to be credited to my call flakes about him moving on to do something else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, there was that stretch where he was,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, wait honestly, one of the hottest guys in New Japan, and a lot of that had to do with that, and I put in air quotes that Reckless Style, and
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[SPEAKER_01]: injuries mounted and, you know, you can't work that style in a sense of, you know, me, you want to hurt yourself again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think back I like to come out touchy days and
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't see him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he could definitely wind up doing tours and doing shows, but I don't expect him to sign full time anywhere in the States.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think he's night tow bound, whatever that might look like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's weird because,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The proofs in the pudding, again, if what we were told actually was the case, you know, we sit and we sit behind these microphones and we, you know, we talk about the information that we get and share with you the listeners.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of time, we assume, and we talk as if,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the company and the company is deciding this path and why won't they pull the trigger and why won't they do it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, sometimes it's the wrestler that might be holding that back because they're content with where they are and what they're doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they don't necessarily want to make a move to a heavyweight division.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That being said though, we've seen countless times with juniors where
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[SPEAKER_01]: they either a, grow stagnant and move up to heavyweight or B, there's a ceiling and they have to go because they've done everything and it's like, okay, how many more times are we going to see her all movers as you should worry?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How many times are we going to, you know, it kind of, it's like, okay, we get it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's the case here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a fantastic pro wrestler.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think at one time, he was maybe one of the more exciting wrestlers that this roster had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would say the entire state of pro wrestling, like you look forward to those match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those Dragon Lee matches were some of the fucking best junior matches on God's Green Earth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a while ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a decent amount of time ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and now here we are in 2026.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, now what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the guy went to Noah to, you know, just to, to what else can I do?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, most interesting stuff he's done over the last 12 months has been outside of New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I don't know what that will look like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever that promotion or whatever that thing that nighto wants to do, looks like I don't know if he winds up in Noah, who knows?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it sounds like he would ever nighthows doing he's doing so again, that doesn't necessarily mean that he won't show up on an AEW television taping and do a couple of shows here and there and yeah, but as it stands right now he's he's put whatever nighthows doing he seems to be on board.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So a big picture, like if all these come to pass, is that it's the amount of roster to over here, something that concerns you or excites you, because to me, I'm definitely in the latter cap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it excites me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, the biggest issue I have,
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[SPEAKER_01]: is that they're all, again, minus synodermine you, home-grown talent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've all gone through the dojo system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've all, you know, have been with this company throughout.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a little bit sad when those people that you're used to seeing show after show after show, are no longer there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But,
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[SPEAKER_01]: there is something fresh and exciting and vibrant about the idea of who and how is it and what is next.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's, that's something exciting thing in an exciting time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean it's going to be as good as it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We might take a step backwards here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we also might take two steps forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it does give people opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the silver lining in all this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to give guys opportunity and we'll see if they take the ball and run with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so let's dip into these roads that you beginning to show is that two place at Kara Quinn Hall.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not gonna go match by March or anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just sort of talk about some of the key things that emerged from it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's do a little young line cup date.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think arguably the most interesting thing that happens so far in this young loan cup was Zay J.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Going rogue, so during this match with Dike and a guy, Call of Newman, popped up, ringside and started to figure out the match.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a chair into the ring and Zay J used it to attack Dike and a guy at four of you at the referee got himself to squallified.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Zay J has now been taken on as the new protégé
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love the angle, I thought it was great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was exciting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've not done anything like that with young guys for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a really great way to make Zain J stand out rather than go down the game, kid path of being like, oh, you know, Shinni Hon, blah, blah, blah, dojo, boy, Ra Ra, like, instantly he's become a detestable heel and I love the work that kind of human did in that as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just being this bitter, corrupting influence, like ruining it for everyone else and getting in people's ear
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[SPEAKER_02]: winning the Brought to his diabolical where Fink here, I just thought, all round, really excellently done, angle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was quite honestly, I mean, I was excited for the Young Alliance Cup to begin with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will also say that I think Chris Charlton did an outstanding job on that show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do want to point it out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, specifically with the history of the Young Alliance Cup and previous winners.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he did a really good job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was flying solo, too, for the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I got to tip my cat there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, after Calam walks out, you know, you knew things were about to get interesting, but I think no one was expecting the fact that he was gonna walk out, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that he was gonna show up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And...
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[SPEAKER_01]: It did add an extra little extra flavor to a tournament that I think everyone is you know at least sitting upright watching and you know interested in which way they go with a lot of these young guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It made it, you know, one, they booked themselves out of a guy who had to, you know, lie down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody had to lie down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody's moving forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody's winning the tournament.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was a creative way to kind of give somebody a loss and at the same time make them bigger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which is not always an easy thing to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I mean, it was unexpected.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of jolted you a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, like you just made somebody a bigger name than he was when he walked in the ring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, success, yeah, I can't shit on that at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it just sort of contributes to the overall aura of United Empire who, the hottest faction of the company right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that is a hell of a turn around where they were pretty much the punchline of the whole faction thing prior to rest of Kings.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But now, make your waves is tremendously exciting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've still got more United Empire hoodie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be wearing that one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's anyone who's going to know what it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so we've got a show Makato and Katsoomura Schema, as expected, as predicted, to go through to the final, so the two more senior young guys, they're going to face each other at the show at Korakuen Hall at the start of next month.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Does anyone else impress you from the young long cut matches?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really enjoyed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was it yesterday who did like the bot stand, you chased our present.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did a good chocolate that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, you know, what stood out to you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Any more really catch right at those other young low matches?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought every match was good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's funny, you know, you're just who you're getting the win with a boss and crap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we made comments about that, you know, but what's the quote, you know, I respect the guy who does what we've seen in the man who practiced one kick a thousand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't fear not the man who practiced a thousand kicks one time at the man who practiced one kick a thousand times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like that wasn't before for the young lion matches, but again, it kind of gave it a little bit extra juice when it's locked on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was the one thing, like I was very happy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he could have won, you know, he could have, you know, a suplex or maybe a fucking, whatever, a basic hold, but I know Boston crabs are, you know, a staple when it comes to these things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, it was just a nice little extra, extra spicy Boston crab, just because of what we saw a few weeks earlier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, now I definitely did, that did not go unnoticed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: also pretty cool that they're all getting merchandise though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll let you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to share it with the big catacatter symbol that just says, move on the front.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish I could have bought myself a blue shirt while I was in Japan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody's going to get this reference, but it's like in spiral carpet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, move on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's good once again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're now these prepop reference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's deal with, you know, in Empire for now, because they did some cool stuff on these shows.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Call of Newman said backstage that he is the only foreign wrestler with a multi-year contract.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Apparently that is legit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He does have a multi-year contract, so that's exciting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting that he is the person that they chose to tie down to a long-term deal, so they're obviously seeing the value there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's always the flight risk element with white people being pushed, but hopefully we'll get a good few years out of column before that happens because I can see the talent, I can see the the potential.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've been singing his praises.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like longer than most, you know, from early last year, I could see that there was something there and his work in the G1 was outstanding and you could see those rough edges emerging in the real.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then he thought to face any
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he did fall off the face here, I think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know what that was all about, but he's back and I don't know, happy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's back because he's got a real attitude and Swagger just as this bit a little shithead who's still nursing all these grudges and grievances that have been inflicted on him over the last few years and he's just taken it out on everyone else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, we're mixing real life with Storinlo's stuff, which is the best kind of job you get in pro wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I really enjoyed the angle that they did when they took out Shingo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: injured his ribs, he's going to be missing the rest of the tour, which is a shame, you know, there's probably really, there's plenty of money on his face going on anymore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bloody Jately, they've just, they've ruined everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But Shingo is due to be back at a new beginning in Osaka, but kind of just sort of a very good angle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just if they've gone all out here, pulled out all the stops to make, you're not an empire and Kalimdhuman and Jately, look, like a bunch of bad asses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the good news is that there's obviously more to come and bigger things to come, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're getting just a taste, you know, we're the appetizer course and things are looking good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we haven't even hit the fucking, you know, the entree yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we know that's coming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know that's right around the corner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, he's committed, obviously the company's committed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously there's open spaces for people to move up at the pecking order and up the ladder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to make the most of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to make the most of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it looks like they're going to give it to him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, should be an interesting year for Kal and Newman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's for fucking sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think Calum is, I'm not gonna say he's made of adding restricting them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But do you think he's in the upper three matches of restricting them?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Depends how good he gets.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like there's really is an extremely high potential for him to be, it's hard to avoid the Osprey comparison, isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just by the fact that he's so young,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's all, he's better at the 80s at now than Osprey was at the same age.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's bigger than Osprey, he's still got room to grow out and already, he's a big dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a muscular guy and could get even bigger and if he's able to,
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[SPEAKER_02]: improve the rate he's already improving like what we saw in that Don Taku match against Goto that was very encouraging and it's not as if since then he's been given big singles made events with 25 minutes to work the main event star.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he absolutely could do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to see what that looks like first because there's every chance that this could be a guy who can deliver those tippy-toppy snowflake matches that the Western fans love so much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then if that is the case, what are we missing then?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why not go all the way with him?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's always that ceiling on the Western wrestlers where
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[SPEAKER_02]: you're sealing is probably losing in a wrestle king's and main of him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's going to be winning one, but you know, with the exception of Zack Saber Jr.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, you think you guys like your Kenny Omega's, your Jay White's, who will last phrase, but still that's that will be a hell of a spot for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't see any reason why you couldn't get there because he's taken all the boxes for me so far.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we forget that he that he is young and he's still growing into his body and he's going into himself as a pro wrestler.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We forget that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the only thing like barring injury, I think the sky's the fucking limit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It will be the worst right match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The match he
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've said this about Will, where, again, this was, you know, a year, the least over a year ago talking about Will and he could have a great match with just about anybody and he's everyone's best match and blah, blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I still think he has that in him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is he the same Will Osprey as he was three years ago, four years ago?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, injuries have caught up with him significantly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That said,
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[SPEAKER_01]: like if there's going to be a match where it's going to be like okay you need to tune in and see this match like he's a guy that I would trust wholeheartedly to help elevate him and their pals and they have relationships outside the ring and yeah I mean I think not only is it will but
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like David Finley is a guy that can do that to, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, I think people need to circle that new beginning match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk a bit about Jake Lee.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We were question if from Duma Fios, is what do you make of Jake Lee's presentation?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't been a fan in the past, but his new character is quite intriguing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm willing to give him a more of a chance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think this is better than tag jakely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know that we were hyping up jakely and and Gabe kid and the idea of him being in a tag situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, look, I think the biggest
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[SPEAKER_01]: challenge that people have with Jake Lee being put in this position is when the bell rings and I need you to fucking have a great match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you make that work for us?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm willing to hold out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's put this way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I've seen so far has been more than fine, more than fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My issue is, was when the bell rings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's a lot of people's problems too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, some people still aren't sold on him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, people are just like he's a bag of fucking socks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm, I like what I see so far.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a little bit different than what we've seen so far.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Previous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the match, Joel, that I think a lot of people are concerned with, and until he has a good match in a higher profile spot, I think the jury is going to be still out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the best thing that they can probably do for that new beginning match is to keep it short.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, don't feel the need to do the, you know, 25 plus minute, New Japan start epic because I don't think that will necessarily play to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the strengths of either he or Suji, but I do really like the presentation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like the music, I like the entrance, I like the he's got different differently colored eyes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like probably very charismatic and quiet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: sinister, I just like all the little, the darks as he does and the thing he does where he points at the camera and smiles and then catches his fist and the smile melts away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's very, very medicine, it's very intimate, I like it, I think it's a very interesting take on the character.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll remind you a bit, if anyone's seen
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[SPEAKER_02]: Battle Royale, the psychopath character of that Kiriyama, it reminds me a bit of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I'm sure there's plenty of sort of Japanese media, you know movie, film, TV, video game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: characters of that ilk that's sort of like charismatic psychopath character.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And to be clear, I don't think he is necessarily being positioned as a top guy in New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is like it's the kenta challenge isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: See, I think he's going to be an upper midcard or I don't think this is him nailed on as a main eventer for the foreseeable future.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there was an interview that just dropped recently actually with him talking to Tokyo Sports
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a quote here, Andrews put on the discord.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He said, Jake, causes off the court jester who can speak truth to the king here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, that kind of indicates that column is the leader.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, Jake, he is the court jester, which is like a fun way of putting it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, join the presentation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I find him very, very fun to watch, very absorbing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, if he can
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[SPEAKER_02]: make that enjoyable and watchable in the interstitial moment of his match between the moves, then I think we're on to something there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it could be quite successful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: With the Suji match specifically, my fear is that this match doesn't hit, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: and people are going to be like, wow, fucking New Japan's clocked because now they have this champion who can't carry jakely to a 92, 75,577 star match.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do I have concerns about that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't really, I mean it's only new beginning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: if it can scare off some of the, the monthly is the tourists then, uh, uh, more, more, the better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, no, I, I think it will be really good.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, listen, I'm, I'm, I'm will, I'm cautiously optimistic about that cautiously optimistic because to me, that's, that's going to be a big challenge for Suji and it's going to be, uh, you know, again, that depends on how the match is structured, I'm not going to sit here in line, say I have no concerns, but I'm cautiously optimistic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's worth a try, because it is worth kicking the toss on him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, let's talk about some of the type matches then.
57:53.486 --> 58:06.181
[SPEAKER_02]: So there was an ever open way six main tag team championship match where the challenges bishop on tin, oligbolting your shiaxian to rock and goto defeated the champions, hardly jacks into your hit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was actually a junior 18 minutes and seven seconds as I goto pinned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I were after a GTR, com factor, com factor says was that the best never six man tag match of all time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it was really good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was really good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I was a little disappointed in the title change.
58:26.710 --> 58:33.744
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt I felt like he was hardly was just, you know, he finally gets his fucking moment in the sun and they take it away that quick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and on the other hand, I was a little bit happy in the sense that, okay, that does free up sack a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Bolton and Ghotel and Yoshihashi are probably the best never six man tag team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it gives all of them something to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It helps fill out that midcard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, again, there's little tiny things with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It sucks that the TMDK lost the titles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But...
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm totally okay with who holds the title because I think they can have more of a run keep those titles interesting and fresh have great matches like they add here and yeah it frees up guys on the TMD case side so I'm okay with them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, I'm still here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just went to get some water.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got really thirsty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god
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[SPEAKER_02]: the COVID team.
01:00:01.458 --> 01:00:01.919
[SPEAKER_02]: Who was it?
01:00:01.939 --> 01:00:04.603
[SPEAKER_02]: Was it goto Yoshi Hashian ECE?
01:00:04.803 --> 01:00:06.005
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember in that correcting.
01:00:06.286 --> 01:00:08.169
[SPEAKER_02]: I said then my frame, I kind of remember who they are.
01:00:08.189 --> 01:00:16.080
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it was those three, who that they just gave us a little slice of joy in what was a pretty fucking miserable time to be honest.
01:00:17.202 --> 01:00:23.772
[SPEAKER_02]: So then my favorite, and I think there's a case to be made for, was it a Akada Tanahashi ECE?
01:00:23.752 --> 01:00:31.010
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a pretty crap never how about ricochet was a ricochet Tana Hashie and who was it?
01:00:31.210 --> 01:00:40.714
[SPEAKER_01]: Yano like to teach you oh yeah some fucking crazy team oh my god there's been some crazy went oh Elgin and
01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:48.432
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think Elgin Tana has she in somebody 14 or were for the mix boy what those titles man.
01:00:48.512 --> 01:00:53.520
[SPEAKER_01]: I was I got a Wikipedia that and just go through some of those names and be like what in the fuck.
01:00:54.020 --> 01:00:54.261
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
01:00:54.902 --> 01:00:58.027
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like I like what we're at with the ever six man.
01:00:58.047 --> 01:00:58.888
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're good here.
01:00:59.999 --> 01:01:06.207
[SPEAKER_02]: What I really liked about it was I felt the focus of the merch was on the younger guys.
01:01:06.247 --> 01:01:10.232
[SPEAKER_02]: It was on Oleg Bolton in New York, O'Ware.
01:01:10.252 --> 01:01:13.957
[SPEAKER_02]: So whilst they were there, it was O'Ware that ate the pin.
01:01:13.997 --> 01:01:24.370
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there was enough in the match that sort of threw more fuel into that fire that I felt was kindled during World Targeting, and specifically in that new, your dash main event where
01:01:24.839 --> 01:01:34.269
[SPEAKER_02]: we've really got something here and he started to find himself, he started to fill the love of the crowd and like I said, like these guys are starting to get it, right?
01:01:34.369 --> 01:01:42.899
[SPEAKER_02]: The big dogs have moved on, so new era and you've got to stay with him like you deliver or someone else is going to take his spot.
01:01:43.980 --> 01:01:51.488
[SPEAKER_02]: And to me, for what I've seen so far, given that, you know, he's been
01:01:51.721 --> 01:01:59.073
[SPEAKER_02]: I was delivering a good so far, and I'm excited to see what a single's word looks like now, and he's got some interesting stuff coming up.
01:01:59.113 --> 01:02:03.981
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's got a main event with Gotto, if I'm not mistaken.
01:02:04.101 --> 01:02:16.902
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's got a main event with Gotto and February 2nd at Goroco and Hall, so I think that's going to be a really nice indicator of where we're at with Oowa, and Bolton has got a special singer's much with Hartley Jackson, so
01:02:16.882 --> 01:02:21.147
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you're interested to see where, like, there is a, he's also, he's Bolton's face in E.C.
01:02:21.188 --> 01:02:25.653
[SPEAKER_02]: for the strong championship in the, the, the trend coach, I was well.
01:02:26.134 --> 01:02:27.395
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I'm going to go to that.
01:02:27.536 --> 01:02:30.179
[SPEAKER_01]: I told you I was like, tickets are fucking dirt cheap.
01:02:31.040 --> 01:02:34.465
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll be there.
01:02:34.485 --> 01:02:36.727
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, how about that one spot?
01:02:37.168 --> 01:02:46.500
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, all he's just fucking doing his little
01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:49.505
[SPEAKER_01]: big boys, big boys, bag it on in there and that ring.
01:02:49.786 --> 01:02:50.086
[SPEAKER_01]: It's nice.
01:02:50.687 --> 01:02:50.947
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
01:02:54.994 --> 01:02:55.495
[SPEAKER_02]: Go get your word.
01:02:55.515 --> 01:03:09.899
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is what's been like a case in point for what I've enjoyed at the moment using the veteran wrestlers to be there, to showcase and compliment the younger guys.
01:03:09.939 --> 01:03:10.480
[SPEAKER_02]: So
01:03:11.303 --> 01:03:29.122
[SPEAKER_02]: Zach and Hartley and Goto and Yoshi has she like, they're all really good in this match, but I felt everything that they did was there to service, Ewa and Bolton, which I think is exactly the way I want to see the more experienced wrestlers used.
01:03:29.162 --> 01:03:39.032
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there is absolutely a place for, you know, guys like Zach or Goto, whoever to have their runs in the main event and
01:03:40.058 --> 01:03:42.000
[SPEAKER_02]: swarrays with the world title.
01:03:42.841 --> 01:04:08.344
[SPEAKER_02]: But quite large, like this is still fitting into this theme with the new era where, you know, we're going to talk about this in the, the heavyweight tag match on the same show, the main event here, which was the IWGP tagting challenge, it number one contenders match where you show, you, when we're in show to Umano defeated
01:04:09.387 --> 01:04:09.928
[SPEAKER_02]: good shit.
01:04:10.770 --> 01:04:11.031
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
01:04:12.134 --> 01:04:12.715
[SPEAKER_01]: Really great.
01:04:12.815 --> 01:04:23.802
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I would go so far as to say, if you haven't watched it, and again, I can understand why you might be a little bit like, you know, I got better things to do with my weekend or whatever.
01:04:24.187 --> 01:04:25.328
[SPEAKER_01]: Go on you while you watch that match.
01:04:26.069 --> 01:04:26.690
[SPEAKER_01]: I got me, how's it?
01:04:26.730 --> 01:04:27.991
[SPEAKER_01]: Go on you while you watch the entire show.
01:04:28.031 --> 01:04:28.752
[SPEAKER_01]: It flew by.
01:04:29.773 --> 01:04:31.175
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a good show.
01:04:31.676 --> 01:04:37.783
[SPEAKER_01]: And I really felt like, with what we know now, there was a lot of, okay, we can't fuck about.
01:04:38.043 --> 01:04:44.771
[SPEAKER_01]: We gotta make a show that helps help steer us in the right direction, right?
01:04:46.573 --> 01:04:53.080
[SPEAKER_01]: Really, maybe my favorite show to match period.
01:04:54.595 --> 01:05:01.264
[SPEAKER_01]: outstanding job by Tai Chi and EG, like they, look, if you're going to trust.
01:05:02.830 --> 01:05:11.619
[SPEAKER_01]: veterans to give out a performance and let all on the line to help make God people.
01:05:11.839 --> 01:05:13.701
[SPEAKER_01]: This was not the tag titles.
01:05:14.041 --> 01:05:15.182
[SPEAKER_01]: They weren't not on the line.
01:05:15.602 --> 01:05:20.768
[SPEAKER_01]: This was an opportunity to wrestle knock-app brothers for the title.
01:05:21.428 --> 01:05:25.392
[SPEAKER_01]: And the match fucking had all the drama you could want.
01:05:26.013 --> 01:05:29.496
[SPEAKER_01]: It really was a great match.
01:05:29.476 --> 01:05:34.109
[SPEAKER_01]: and I'm telling you flat out, watch it, and I dare you to think otherwise, like it.
01:05:34.129 --> 01:05:39.745
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I... this night, mark it down in your calendar.
01:05:40.166 --> 01:05:41.089
[SPEAKER_01]: Circle it.
01:05:41.390 --> 01:06:04.568
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, again, I'm not saying that the momentum of this match catapults him into the fucking stratosphere, but what this match did was it solidified a young tag team that looks like a good, fun, baby face tag team with a little bit of sandpaper.
01:06:05.409 --> 01:06:07.633
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they look the fucking part.
01:06:07.681 --> 01:06:08.622
[SPEAKER_01]: they're exciting.
01:06:09.483 --> 01:06:26.061
[SPEAKER_01]: They're they like they felt like they should be together and now they move on to knock out brothers and now maybe we have a nice long flip flop the belts back and forth.
01:06:26.101 --> 01:06:31.306
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't give a fuck, but that those matches should be great.
01:06:31.326 --> 01:06:34.870
[SPEAKER_01]: And it gave me hope for shelter.
01:06:35.288 --> 01:06:36.229
[SPEAKER_01]: it really did.
01:06:36.249 --> 01:07:03.675
[SPEAKER_01]: It showed me that he has all those critiques and all those things that we've talked about him throughout the years of just not having the sandpaper and he's cost playing a pro wrestler and it just doesn't feel authentic and it just doesn't feel like he's even comfortable in the ring, let alone in the position that he's in.
01:07:03.807 --> 01:07:09.615
[SPEAKER_01]: this match will give you hope, a promise you, promise you.
01:07:10.456 --> 01:07:16.504
[SPEAKER_01]: And once again, I don't care if he's 40, 50, 60, 107.
01:07:17.746 --> 01:07:21.031
[SPEAKER_01]: He is fucking great.
01:07:21.892 --> 01:07:29.983
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't care that it's, oh, you get one
01:07:29.963 --> 01:07:35.334
[SPEAKER_01]: He delivers Tai Chi, fucking delivers.
01:07:35.735 --> 01:07:39.482
[SPEAKER_01]: How many opportunities did Tai Chi get in 2025?
01:07:39.502 --> 01:07:46.877
[SPEAKER_01]: And yet, he shows up and it's like, all right, let me fucking go and do this and he did.
01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:51.567
[SPEAKER_01]: And the youngsters showed up as well.
01:07:51.614 --> 01:08:21.030
[SPEAKER_01]: like this match ruled I'm telling you flat out and it's shocking to say it's not for the titles so now what you did was you're you're making the titles important without even having the title match like that's a great job I knew Japan that is a great fucking job and it's a great fucking job by those four guys in that ring hands down go
01:08:21.128 --> 01:08:30.320
[SPEAKER_01]: And this match, I'm telling you, I was excited to go into this show and you texted me saying, that tag match was great.
01:08:30.941 --> 01:08:33.104
[SPEAKER_01]: Make sure you catch it today.
01:08:33.124 --> 01:08:35.508
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll catch it when I get, I'm going to have done work.
01:08:35.528 --> 01:08:41.596
[SPEAKER_01]: And I popped that fucker on and I was like, God damn, the words came out of my mouth.
01:08:42.157 --> 01:08:42.717
[SPEAKER_01]: We're back.
01:08:45.301 --> 01:08:45.781
[SPEAKER_01]: We're back.
01:08:45.802 --> 01:08:46.362
[SPEAKER_01]: We're back.
01:08:46.382 --> 01:08:47.143
[SPEAKER_01]: We're back.
01:08:47.163 --> 01:08:47.844
[SPEAKER_01]: We're back.
01:08:47.864 --> 01:08:48.385
[SPEAKER_01]: We're back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that, again, I'm telling you, go out of your way to watch it, it's really that good.
01:08:57.258 --> 01:09:22.708
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've matched the year contender for me and I know like it's only January, but I put it on the shortlist because like you know that's I can excellent and arguably as good as the match or even more exciting that match was the promo in the ring afterwards by show to Umano and it's a guy who's really sort of struggled with his character is identity and I've said.
01:09:23.988 --> 01:09:28.554
[SPEAKER_02]: for a long time now, the problem we showed to him is he's not cool, right?
01:09:28.574 --> 01:09:42.951
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can't force someone to be called by slapping nicknames or haircuts or ringgames or facial features or motorcycles or connections to other cooler wrestlers.
01:09:43.332 --> 01:09:46.355
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't force that, you're either cool or you're not.
01:09:46.576 --> 01:09:48.578
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why it was
01:09:48.558 --> 01:09:56.885
[SPEAKER_02]: So gratifying to hear him, like almost word for word, what I've said about him, he's sadly still don't agree.
01:09:56.906 --> 01:09:58.367
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, I'm not cool.
01:09:58.887 --> 01:09:59.748
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the loser.
01:09:59.768 --> 01:10:05.753
[SPEAKER_02]: The only way I can be cool is by fighting and struggling and being people up.
01:10:06.034 --> 01:10:08.996
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, yes, finally, he's starting to get it.
01:10:09.877 --> 01:10:18.565
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think this is something that we've seen historically with other
01:10:18.545 --> 01:10:44.181
[SPEAKER_02]: When they have that moment where they are honest with themselves and honest with the fans and acknowledge their own failures and shortcomings, that is what allows you to plant the seeds for the future and the way that you stood there and we're speaking with such fire and passion about the humiliation he's had to endure and the you know the booing and the ridicule again and again and again and again.
01:10:44.161 --> 01:10:51.232
[SPEAKER_02]: and how he wasn't using his father as a crutch and you know, that doesn't work, that doesn't fly in New Japan pro wrestling.
01:10:51.953 --> 01:11:06.315
[SPEAKER_02]: And even though he was getting the piss ripped out of him and everyone booing him when he was putting his neck on the line to entertain the fans, there were still people cheering for him and coming up to him and saying, hey, hope you come back next time and giving him that will to go on.
01:11:06.355 --> 01:11:06.996
[SPEAKER_02]: So
01:11:08.022 --> 01:11:17.948
[SPEAKER_02]: You find yourself in a really interesting spot, doesn't it, whereas, you know, I don't, the temptation for a lot of fans will be like turn him heel, but I'm not sure that's
01:11:18.839 --> 01:11:19.861
[SPEAKER_02]: what would be best here.
01:11:19.921 --> 01:11:33.403
[SPEAKER_02]: I really think that somewhere in there, there's quite an endearing babyface who has acknowledged that he's a bit of a failure and can try and grow something from the ashes of that.
01:11:33.643 --> 01:11:38.551
[SPEAKER_02]: When I heard him pouring his heart out like that, I was like, fuck, I want to see this guy succeed now.
01:11:38.571 --> 01:11:45.623
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to see him get his redemption after hitting
01:11:45.603 --> 01:12:03.527
[SPEAKER_02]: found that incredibly compelling and I'm really glad that he seems to be acknowledging that and leaning into that and he's not someone that I think can be quite on quite fixed by giving him a different gimmick or different ringgir or a different haircut or a different nickname or different entrance music.
01:12:04.115 --> 01:12:06.580
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, fundamentally, he's a fucking good wrestler.
01:12:06.660 --> 01:12:08.804
[SPEAKER_02]: He is really good at that hard hitting style.
01:12:08.824 --> 01:12:14.054
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I started to see that with his run in the New Japan Cup last year.
01:12:14.074 --> 01:12:16.319
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that New Japan Cup final with David Finnell.
01:12:16.339 --> 01:12:18.523
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just like, well, where has this guy been hiding?
01:12:18.543 --> 01:12:19.825
[SPEAKER_02]: He was outstanding.
01:12:20.226 --> 01:12:21.809
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought he had a really good G1 as well.
01:12:22.871 --> 01:12:24.274
[SPEAKER_02]: The tag stuff has been excellent.
01:12:24.935 --> 01:12:26.899
[SPEAKER_02]: He just seems to have found
01:12:27.048 --> 01:12:50.980
[SPEAKER_02]: his niche like he's found a style in ring that works him which is just like again it is that classic never style he is working that style like you know you're taking some issues where it's just you know laying in the the chops and the forearms and the elbows the clothes lines the the lower it's the knees I think he's really good at it I think he's a really really good pro wrestler and he started to find confidence now
01:12:50.960 --> 01:13:06.657
[SPEAKER_02]: I really hope they don't just break up the tag team, which, you know, seems like the obvious thing to do and it seems inevitable at this point, but I just think a tag division is such a great vehicle to rehabilitate and find meaning and purpose for
01:13:06.738 --> 01:13:22.890
[SPEAKER_02]: singles wrestlers who have kind of lost their way a bit, like tremendous use of this much of the Vesra's Tai Chi in ECE, who would just stop standing here and can always be relied on it and it's going to be instrumental for helping to get.
01:13:22.870 --> 01:13:42.533
[SPEAKER_02]: the new generation to where we want them to be and yeah like we're like putting some love into the tag division it just seems like it's such an easy win when you've got what is a pretty deep roster and you can't be pushing everyone all the time but just take four guys who aren't really doing much and put them in a tag title a little later.
01:13:42.513 --> 01:13:44.376
[SPEAKER_02]: and they got there and they kill each other.
01:13:44.516 --> 01:13:56.695
[SPEAKER_02]: And if it continues to be bookless, well, then the prestige will come, like the heavyweight tag titles will feel like one of the most sought after championships in the company and people will look for it.
01:13:56.776 --> 01:13:58.378
[SPEAKER_02]: I looked at the...
01:13:58.358 --> 01:14:11.475
[SPEAKER_02]: the card for new beginning of Osaka, so semi-main event, tag team titles, I was like, fuck yes, I'll rub in my hands together to have a tag title match is the penultimate match on the show in Osaka.
01:14:11.996 --> 01:14:14.659
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how well they've done with the tag division so far.
01:14:15.280 --> 01:14:20.046
[SPEAKER_02]: And even the stuff that's going on outside of this match, like the second
01:14:20.026 --> 01:14:30.135
[SPEAKER_02]: showed that the child of the 20th, where they had the tag match with knockout brothers against showtor and Ernest Muscleman, Matt Simoto, which just turned into a squash.
01:14:30.155 --> 01:14:35.660
[SPEAKER_02]: They threw showed you out the ring and just absolutely destroyed Matt Simoto, pinned in one hand, and did after about a minute.
01:14:36.261 --> 01:14:36.981
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
01:14:37.181 --> 01:14:38.443
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd love to see them.
01:14:38.563 --> 01:14:40.805
[SPEAKER_02]: It's established your champs as killers.
01:14:41.365 --> 01:14:50.033
[SPEAKER_02]: So they've managed to make these tag titles, argue, but like one of if not the most exciting
01:14:50.013 --> 01:14:50.608
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
01:14:51.683 --> 01:15:11.569
[SPEAKER_01]: And the good news is that it's not like you have one element of any one of those four where it's like, okay, he's the odd man out or he's up in age and he's kind of wet nursing three other guys in it.
01:15:11.649 --> 01:15:14.192
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, they're making it on their own.
01:15:14.913 --> 01:15:21.201
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have something that is
01:15:21.181 --> 01:15:23.884
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and it doesn't necessarily have to be over the tag titles.
01:15:23.944 --> 01:15:28.769
[SPEAKER_01]: It can be over, you know, any one of those four fighting over a never title first.
01:15:28.869 --> 01:15:43.143
[SPEAKER_01]: And then maybe, uh, you know, a TV title or maybe a vice versa or maybe, uh, like this can go on, like this just gives you confidence and it gives you, um, something to really hit your wagon to.
01:15:44.104 --> 01:15:47.087
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they did this without the titles,
01:15:47.270 --> 01:16:00.182
[SPEAKER_01]: they did this without any bullshit, like it was, I want to be the number one contender and the number one contender means a lot because then we got to take on.
01:16:00.685 --> 01:16:10.995
[SPEAKER_01]: the tag team champions and win and we care about winning these titles, like that's what was conveyed in that 30 minutes, which is fantastic.
01:16:12.657 --> 01:16:26.710
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and just to bring back to another point, it's like nobody was sitting here and saying, oh, show to stinks in the sense of he shouldn't
01:16:27.449 --> 01:16:28.371
[SPEAKER_01]: give me something.
01:16:28.612 --> 01:16:30.016
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are you here?
01:16:30.617 --> 01:16:36.994
[SPEAKER_01]: You're being shoehorned in a situation where you can't even acknowledge you're not ready for it.
01:16:38.257 --> 01:16:40.724
[SPEAKER_01]: Let alone us to sit there and accept it.
01:16:42.388 --> 01:16:43.230
[SPEAKER_01]: Again.
01:16:43.312 --> 01:16:45.635
[SPEAKER_01]: we have a lot of opportunity this now on the table.
01:16:45.836 --> 01:17:00.898
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of opportunity and we have four young studs that are going to make the most of their opportunity with titles that traditionally are hot and cold.
01:17:00.878 --> 01:17:01.479
[SPEAKER_01]: hot and cold.
01:17:02.080 --> 01:17:10.592
[SPEAKER_01]: And we could sit there and be skeptics and be, uh, well, to tag titles and yeah, okay, they can heat them up, but, you know, eventually they're going to cool down and all, now let's ride this.
01:17:11.013 --> 01:17:16.401
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's, and I hope, and this is me saying this shockingly, I hope they take their fucking time.
01:17:17.222 --> 01:17:22.330
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's no need to rush any of these guys into being a singles right now.
01:17:22.871 --> 01:17:29.080
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's milk this or all that's fucking worth because it has potential to be
01:17:29.853 --> 01:17:33.703
[SPEAKER_01]: like a definitive moment in all four of these guys careers.
01:17:34.064 --> 01:17:41.382
[SPEAKER_01]: There will be videos and high packages, like bookmarking
01:17:42.037 --> 01:17:46.664
[SPEAKER_01]: this moment, these moments in all of these guys career.
01:17:47.245 --> 01:18:08.517
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, all I ask is that they take their time, they they understand what they have and let these guys cook like because right now and you have arguably the hottest thing in the promotion with knockout brothers and you
01:18:08.497 --> 01:18:35.297
[SPEAKER_02]: show to a new year like that like what else we're we're we're cooking we're fucking cooking here even like looking at the new beginning in Osaka card and the second match on that is a special tag match Drilla Maloney and Shiga Takagi vs Greco Khan Henry great is exactly the thing I'm talking about were you taking four guys not really doing anything at the moment and presumably
01:18:35.277 --> 01:18:53.272
[SPEAKER_02]: setting up a future challenger or a contender for those tagging championships because there's so much depth in this company and well tag leave, you know, a lot of people have skipped it, but for those people who watched it, it was really quite exciting and rewarding and it was at I open it for a lot of people to think, wow, that's a lot of talent.
01:18:53.292 --> 01:19:04.862
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a really deep roster and a lot of exciting things could happen, which is why, as we talked earlier, this roster title
01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:12.591
[SPEAKER_02]: Do Murphy else says, you think we'll look back at Ishi wasting three years sticking around in meaningless AEW trust as a tragedy given he can still go to this degree.
01:19:13.938 --> 01:19:18.943
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, he got a fucking plane ticket to come to the States.
01:19:19.123 --> 01:19:20.484
[SPEAKER_01]: We probably eat like a king.
01:19:21.765 --> 01:19:23.827
[SPEAKER_01]: You probably had plenty of in and out burger.
01:19:24.188 --> 01:19:30.754
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and he got to be on TV and get a little payday and all that nonsense.
01:19:30.774 --> 01:19:33.616
[SPEAKER_01]: And you got the strong title, strong title with baby.
01:19:33.716 --> 01:19:35.178
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still got that strong title, you know.
01:19:37.200 --> 01:19:42.865
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck, there's a, like, there's, we can go through a lot of questions.
01:19:43.553 --> 01:20:09.797
[SPEAKER_01]: like this about the past five years, the past six years, there's plenty of it, but like to me, he's, I know people sometimes wanna point fall at the sameness and you get what you get with an easy match, about the love of, and sometimes he leans into that a little hard, especially when he's in the States, he becomes a little bit of a character of himself,
01:20:09.777 --> 01:20:17.560
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he's still got he he can still fucking go like he's he's just a fucking Pipple like thus the name on his teacher
01:20:19.514 --> 01:20:22.198
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's like absence makes the heart of growth on for me.
01:20:22.258 --> 01:20:27.284
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't want to see him doing that kind of match every week or even necessarily every month.
01:20:27.364 --> 01:20:34.994
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I give me an issue in a big spot like that where he's getting bloody up and fighting as if his life depended it like four times a year.
01:20:35.034 --> 01:20:37.017
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck yeah, some me up for that.
01:20:37.297 --> 01:20:43.125
[SPEAKER_02]: So yep, I think I'm enjoying him being used more sparingly to help get the new guys over.
01:20:43.257 --> 01:20:44.018
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no doubt.
01:20:44.218 --> 01:20:45.920
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's his role at this point.
01:20:46.280 --> 01:20:50.545
[SPEAKER_01]: And once again, I mean, a busted up nose, busted up lip.
01:20:53.067 --> 01:20:57.031
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't accuse him of taking a day off.
01:20:57.632 --> 01:20:58.212
[SPEAKER_01]: It really can't.
01:20:58.973 --> 01:21:04.319
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, he might be a bit of a character of himself when he's in the States.
01:21:05.540 --> 01:21:07.442
[SPEAKER_01]: He can't accuse him for taking a night off.
01:21:10.342 --> 01:21:15.210
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so on the show, on the 20th, there was IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championships.
01:21:15.891 --> 01:21:18.556
[SPEAKER_02]: The H-Bad Sweep Boys, Co-Safe Food, just a Robert Eagle's defeated.
01:21:19.217 --> 01:21:20.619
[SPEAKER_02]: You're sure not be kind of more, and show.
01:21:22.763 --> 01:21:23.825
[SPEAKER_02]: I got nothing, David.
01:21:25.768 --> 01:21:31.879
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I thought the match was okay.
01:21:32.059 --> 01:21:33.902
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the match was good.
01:21:34.591 --> 01:21:41.821
[SPEAKER_01]: And here's where people are going to be like thank god he was gone because house a torture and we won't have to again, I don't know if that's the case.
01:21:42.402 --> 01:22:02.370
[SPEAKER_01]: And here's the thing, I'm not putting everything on house a torture matches and and by no means am I sitting here and trying to tell you and blow smoke up your ass to tell you that, you know, TMDK where the reason why this match wasn't as spectacular, I mean we know the reasons.
01:22:02.975 --> 01:22:04.356
[SPEAKER_01]: it wasn't a terrible match.
01:22:04.636 --> 01:22:06.378
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't, it was a good match.
01:22:07.239 --> 01:22:16.066
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, it was house a torture having somewhat of their working shoes on and not falling into the same tire tropes.
01:22:17.348 --> 01:22:20.410
[SPEAKER_01]: Bobby was good, Vegeta was good, everybody was good.
01:22:21.191 --> 01:22:32.661
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we love to talk about
01:22:33.518 --> 01:22:42.571
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of at the end of my rope a little bit for that and the spraying of the alcohol and all that.
01:22:42.712 --> 01:22:43.613
[SPEAKER_01]: It is what it is.
01:22:43.653 --> 01:22:48.200
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you going to do?
01:22:48.220 --> 01:22:51.705
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I'll say about that.
01:22:51.725 --> 01:22:54.409
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, cosine on all of that, the match was fine.
01:22:54.429 --> 01:22:56.031
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just just really interesting.
01:22:56.071 --> 01:22:57.914
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad that fidgetarian equals a ket.
01:22:58.455 --> 01:22:59.897
[SPEAKER_02]: The titles.
01:23:00.704 --> 01:23:06.130
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, the junior tag team wrestling can be outstanding.
01:23:06.591 --> 01:23:24.471
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we cast our minds back to the match that these two had with Akira and TJP, which was one of my favorite matches of 2024, which is why I can't must that any enthusiasm or takes for something like this when it's all the stuff we've seen a million times before.
01:23:24.531 --> 01:23:25.072
[SPEAKER_02]: It was fine.
01:23:25.092 --> 01:23:26.754
[SPEAKER_02]: It was relatively offensive.
01:23:26.774 --> 01:23:29.597
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not angry about it or upset.
01:23:29.577 --> 01:23:31.720
[SPEAKER_02]: Glad's each last week was one of the titles.
01:23:31.820 --> 01:23:34.304
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's move on and get some fresh challenges, please.
01:23:35.265 --> 01:23:36.066
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, absolutely correct.
01:23:36.206 --> 01:23:38.469
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was a good cheeseburger.
01:23:38.489 --> 01:23:49.104
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a bit of a and made of it was the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship where Docky defeated El Desprado 16 minutes and 30 seconds with these suplex.
01:23:49.124 --> 01:23:58.217
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell Alouda, Docky is still your junior
01:23:59.362 --> 01:24:00.383
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually was.
01:24:00.684 --> 01:24:05.110
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought we were we were destined for a title change here.
01:24:05.370 --> 01:24:06.312
[SPEAKER_01]: I really did.
01:24:06.332 --> 01:24:17.988
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, considering, I don't know trying to play, you know, prognosticator with the things that speed up to not only, you know, here in the States, but in Japan.
01:24:18.048 --> 01:24:25.639
[SPEAKER_01]: And it did feel like a little bit of, yeah, they're probably going to move the title, but
01:24:26.260 --> 01:24:27.361
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the match was okay.
01:24:28.102 --> 01:24:33.409
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the match was, was, was, I don't know.
01:24:33.449 --> 01:24:38.175
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to put my finger on what I really thought was missing from it.
01:24:39.797 --> 01:24:56.098
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it just, it was, not that it was flat, but it was, I don't know, I was really kind of indifferent toward it.
01:24:57.057 --> 01:25:03.003
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, goky in house or torture, it might be that, okay, I really thought that would be going to be a title.
01:25:03.043 --> 01:25:06.887
[SPEAKER_01]: And not that I was like sitting here on an edge of my chair, like, I need a title change to occur.
01:25:07.587 --> 01:25:15.655
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just kind of, I guess I was resigned in my mind that it was going to happen and let's, I think I was more excited about, okay, where do we go from here?
01:25:16.696 --> 01:25:26.946
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it felt like they thought the same thing in during the match, like let's just move on kind of thing.
01:25:26.926 --> 01:25:27.888
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
01:25:27.908 --> 01:25:29.310
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, there was something missing.
01:25:29.731 --> 01:25:33.998
[SPEAKER_01]: I had some some connective tissue that was missing in this match that it just didn't hit for me.
01:25:36.202 --> 01:25:40.429
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the match was good, but forgettable.
01:25:41.391 --> 01:25:51.128
[SPEAKER_02]: I've just had my fill of L. Desparado, so I can acknowledge that he's tremendous wrestler, I had a brilliant year and he's very, very good at what he does.
01:25:51.817 --> 01:25:53.919
[SPEAKER_02]: but I just, I want something else.
01:25:54.600 --> 01:25:56.622
[SPEAKER_02]: This doesn't excite me for the genius vision.
01:25:56.662 --> 01:26:01.488
[SPEAKER_02]: I really want to sort of fast forward so we can get into some more exciting stuff.
01:26:01.508 --> 01:26:03.951
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to see Francesco accurate in the mix.
01:26:03.971 --> 01:26:05.513
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to see co-save food eater in the mix.
01:26:05.533 --> 01:26:08.916
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to even see fucking master Wato back in the mix.
01:26:09.397 --> 01:26:13.061
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, yeah, again, it just doesn't interest me.
01:26:13.361 --> 01:26:15.664
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it's very, very harsh, but
01:26:16.167 --> 01:26:39.103
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I think, you know, this was a match that we anticipated, that was the last rest of the kid, it wasn't it where great entrance and, and Doc he had his, broke his elbow and that had so much potential for huge, feel good moments when he came back when they finally did the rematch.
01:26:40.180 --> 01:26:45.026
[SPEAKER_02]: And this, this was it, it was fine, and that just, you think that that's renderously disappointing to me.
01:26:45.627 --> 01:26:48.190
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, do you think that's Despy or do you think that's Doki?
01:26:48.450 --> 01:26:49.111
[SPEAKER_02]: It's everything.
01:26:49.231 --> 01:26:51.153
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's Despy over exposure.
01:26:51.354 --> 01:26:55.539
[SPEAKER_02]: It's always having this title defended at Korakun Hall.
01:26:56.059 --> 01:26:57.541
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Doc is stupid.
01:26:58.142 --> 01:26:59.824
[SPEAKER_02]: He all turned when they didn't even show the he all turned.
01:26:59.844 --> 01:27:01.306
[SPEAKER_02]: He just came out with house and torture.
01:27:01.406 --> 01:27:03.268
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's, everything like,
01:27:03.248 --> 01:27:10.882
[SPEAKER_02]: The lackluster booking of the junior division as a whole is just maybe feel a deep sense of malaise towards it.
01:27:12.425 --> 01:27:12.525
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:27:12.565 --> 01:27:14.869
[SPEAKER_01]: I really feel like this company can't do more than one thing it wants.
01:27:15.390 --> 01:27:16.652
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I can't walk and shoot them.
01:27:17.053 --> 01:27:21.882
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they have to just be hyper focused on one area.
01:27:22.081 --> 01:27:23.863
[SPEAKER_01]: And they can make it great.
01:27:24.404 --> 01:27:26.667
[SPEAKER_01]: But everything else is fucking full of part around them.
01:27:27.388 --> 01:27:29.371
[SPEAKER_01]: I got full part, maybe, is it not the turn.
01:27:29.391 --> 01:27:30.813
[SPEAKER_01]: But you get what I'm saying.
01:27:30.833 --> 01:27:40.026
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like, man, I know I go back to the 90s where it's like, OK, show show was booking the heavies and Lager was booking the juniors.
01:27:40.286 --> 01:27:42.289
[SPEAKER_01]: And everything was clicking.
01:27:43.190 --> 01:27:45.994
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that's a little bit revisionist history.
01:27:46.034 --> 01:27:50.620
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's a little bit being waxed and nostalgic.
01:27:51.967 --> 01:27:54.631
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it just doesn't seem like they can do fucking two things at once.
01:27:55.752 --> 01:28:00.078
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a zero some game with New Japan book in like something else becomes good.
01:28:00.118 --> 01:28:02.982
[SPEAKER_02]: Then another division becomes shit as a result, right?
01:28:03.242 --> 01:28:04.284
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand that.
01:28:04.344 --> 01:28:07.889
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand why that has to be, but it is, no worries.
01:28:10.993 --> 01:28:13.757
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, then let's see what we have got coming up.
01:28:13.797 --> 01:28:17.502
[SPEAKER_02]: So there is a show that is coming up on the
01:28:19.118 --> 01:28:21.480
[SPEAKER_02]: February, let me fucking find it.
01:28:21.840 --> 01:28:23.942
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm flacking a bit here so you can probably tell.
01:28:23.962 --> 01:28:24.823
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm certainly enjoying.
01:28:26.725 --> 01:28:35.193
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, Sunday, February 1st, Korakon Hall, the Young Lung Cup Final, Shama Kato versus Katsumura Shima, we'll preview that next week.
01:28:35.853 --> 01:28:43.720
[SPEAKER_02]: We have special tag match Hiromu and Finley, a team that wants again to take on Jacob Austin Young and Kalimnuman, so nicely Jacob getting a big spot there.
01:28:43.740 --> 01:28:47.944
[SPEAKER_02]: And main event is a special tag match, Ishimori and
01:28:49.122 --> 01:29:00.177
[SPEAKER_02]: And then February the 2nd, next day, Corrican Hall, notable matches from the show are a trio of special singles matches, Oleg Bolton against Hartley Jackson, Yoshi Hatchy versus Zack Saber Jr.
01:29:00.597 --> 01:29:02.560
[SPEAKER_02]: Here, I've got over us, New York, Iowa.
01:29:03.061 --> 01:29:07.827
[SPEAKER_02]: And we also have a full card now for the new beginning in Osaka.
01:29:07.847 --> 01:29:10.911
[SPEAKER_02]: So this isn't Eddie and Arena, Wednesday, February 11th.
01:29:10.891 --> 01:29:17.920
[SPEAKER_02]: First match, Special Tag Match, Taiji Shimori and Hiromotaka Hashi, against Jacobo Stingunk and Francesca Akira.
01:29:17.940 --> 01:29:22.246
[SPEAKER_02]: Second match, Special Tag Match, Drilla Maloney and Shingo Takagi against Great O'Con and Henare.
01:29:22.966 --> 01:29:26.391
[SPEAKER_02]: Third match, never open weight 6-man Tag Championship is a rematch.
01:29:26.411 --> 01:29:29.395
[SPEAKER_02]: Bolton, Yoshihashi and Gato against Hartley, O'Were and Zack.
01:29:29.895 --> 01:29:34.401
[SPEAKER_02]: Fourth match, Special Single's match, Gabe Kid vs. on Friday, L.E.D.L.O.
01:29:34.381 --> 01:29:44.459
[SPEAKER_02]: 5th match, special singles match, David Finlay vs. Callum Newman, 6th match, never overweight championship, Aaron Wolf against Renarita, 7th match, IWGP tag team championships.
01:29:44.960 --> 01:29:53.575
[SPEAKER_02]: Lockout Brothers against Yuya and Shota and 8th match, IWGP Heavyweight Championship, Yodsuji vs. Jake Fleet, that is a sexy fucking card.
01:29:54.436 --> 01:29:56.119
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet, I mean, I'll take that.
01:29:56.470 --> 01:30:00.516
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we're all, we're all a little cautiously optimistic on the main event.
01:30:01.437 --> 01:30:05.162
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there are a lot of guys that this might be their last New Japan show.
01:30:06.725 --> 01:30:10.810
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think they'll have, I don't know, I don't think they're going to go through the motions.
01:30:11.251 --> 01:30:17.460
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, obviously, new beginning usually is one of my favorite shows of the year.
01:30:17.600 --> 01:30:21.786
[SPEAKER_01]: Last year, I mean, it would want to show the year last year.
01:30:23.268 --> 01:30:24.733
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a, that's a sexy show.
01:30:25.114 --> 01:30:30.632
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we're cautiously optimistic for the main event, but you know, let's fucking hit your wagon to it.
01:30:30.652 --> 01:30:30.973
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
01:30:31.455 --> 01:30:32.097
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good show.
01:30:34.608 --> 01:30:53.983
[SPEAKER_02]: So, like, big picture thoughts after everything we talked about here, I don't know, it just feels to me that something significant has changed with fuel gunization, with a book in of this company, like maybe, again, I'm just speculating here that the booking prior to Wrestle Kingdom have been
01:30:53.963 --> 01:30:56.187
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, like, ham strung by something.
01:30:56.227 --> 01:31:02.079
[SPEAKER_02]: And now, ham break is off and they can put the best foot forward and do what they want to do.
01:31:02.099 --> 01:31:03.101
[SPEAKER_02]: Push the guys they want to push.
01:31:04.083 --> 01:31:13.602
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it was the the theory about the Tana Hashi retirement being put back a year and then moving to trade water for a year or they could be any number of other factors.
01:31:13.622 --> 01:31:15.145
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, maybe it was like,
01:31:15.125 --> 01:31:22.975
[SPEAKER_02]: to cash the obligations that he had to be booked certain where winners, certain number of things, or maybe it was even like TV aside he didn't mind.
01:31:22.995 --> 01:31:25.725
[SPEAKER_02]: Like who knows, I'm just speculating here, but I
01:31:26.043 --> 01:31:27.625
[SPEAKER_02]: Either way, the end result is the same, right?
01:31:27.645 --> 01:31:30.830
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a clear sense that this is a new era.
01:31:30.991 --> 01:31:42.889
[SPEAKER_02]: It's tangible, and there's a shift in a focus away from guys like Goto and Zack, Finley and Sanada, Evil, Shingo, Gabe, to Kester.
01:31:44.011 --> 01:31:49.759
[SPEAKER_02]: And using the veterans to get the younger guys where they need to be guys like Ishian and Tai Chi and ambition one.
01:31:50.541 --> 01:31:54.126
[SPEAKER_02]: And like I spoke before, like this power vacuum,
01:31:54.646 --> 01:32:14.325
[SPEAKER_02]: Suji is your top guy, but there's so many other big spots for grabs and this pack of young hungry, homegrown talent, Suji, Shota, Oywa, Yuya, Yuta, Ice, Aaron Wolf, even though the foreign guys came here with a dojo, like Oleg Bolton and Oscar,
01:32:14.390 --> 01:32:22.562
[SPEAKER_02]: and you've got these outsiders with a point to prove, guys like Jake Lee and Calam Newman, and maybe even on dry day to some extent.
01:32:23.223 --> 01:32:31.875
[SPEAKER_02]: And they've made some really bold, quite surprising booking moves to show that the opportunity is at there, like there is that.
01:32:32.193 --> 01:32:56.479
[SPEAKER_02]: figurative brass ring to be grabbed like knock out brothers getting the strong push out of the gate and Aaron Wolf win in the never title on his debut match and you know even little things like that Zane J ankle it it shows that they're exciting opportunities there for people who prove themselves worthy of them is it's synchos whip like there's no excuses opportunities are there you have to go and grab them you got to deliver the goods
01:32:56.459 --> 01:32:59.936
[SPEAKER_02]: get yourself over or someone else is going to take that spot.
01:33:00.479 --> 01:33:05.322
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like for the first time in a while it feels like a meritocracy to me.
01:33:05.572 --> 01:33:33.688
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's nothing in their way, you know, every at every time there was a, what felt like could be a reboot, you always had people in, I want to say in the way, but like you had to kind of navigate around Naito, Tonahashi, Okada, to a certain degree go to Abushi, that's, that's not the case, like, like there, there are,
01:33:35.440 --> 01:33:58.528
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a empty highway, like it's maybe one of the more exciting times to be a fan of New Japan pro wrestling because you're putting your chips on the table and going all in on this
01:33:59.487 --> 01:34:01.049
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that can be exciting.
01:34:01.230 --> 01:34:02.111
[SPEAKER_01]: It can be fresh.
01:34:02.712 --> 01:34:11.464
[SPEAKER_01]: You could beat on the ground floor as this thing perculates and gains momentum and now the train is fucking barreling down the tracks.
01:34:12.085 --> 01:34:18.154
[SPEAKER_01]: And before you know it, you're in the middle of something really fucking special and good.
01:34:20.142 --> 01:34:24.308
[SPEAKER_01]: have there been times in history where that's been the case?
01:34:25.070 --> 01:34:45.120
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, to a certain degree, but even like if you go back to, you know, the early town of Hashi years, it's not like, you know, he was, I don't want to say the chosen one, so to speak, but him, Shinsuke,
01:34:45.539 --> 01:34:50.548
[SPEAKER_01]: were all those guys that were waiting for them to kind of make the leap.
01:34:50.949 --> 01:34:56.419
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Tanahashi didn't just show up with his fucking hair extensions and become great.
01:34:57.060 --> 01:35:02.169
[SPEAKER_01]: Nighto, it took a long time for him to kind of find his groove.
01:35:02.670 --> 01:35:06.417
[SPEAKER_01]: Shinsuke, his first title reign wasn't the greatest.
01:35:06.616 --> 01:35:34.767
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, again, these are all things that if there was a podcast in 1999 and 2000 and it went on to, you know, in the 2005s and, you know, we would be bitching the Logan moaning about Togumakabe and tens on and all these guys that might be in the way and just fucking rocket ship these guys and why aren't they connecting them nighto, Jesus Christ and, you know, let's remember back nighto was at a tag team with fucking newgero.
01:35:34.747 --> 01:35:44.969
[SPEAKER_01]: And trust me, usual was the guy that people were like, hey, look at that, look at that, look at that guy, how the, how the tables turn.
01:35:46.051 --> 01:35:51.102
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying that right now we have a moment in time.
01:35:52.516 --> 01:35:55.701
[SPEAKER_01]: that people should be really fucking geared up for.
01:35:56.462 --> 01:36:00.769
[SPEAKER_01]: Because like I said, there's not a lot of things in their way.
01:36:01.570 --> 01:36:06.137
[SPEAKER_01]: If they, if they, just, the ball is in their hands.
01:36:07.659 --> 01:36:11.665
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, all the names that you rattled off, the tag situation.
01:36:12.286 --> 01:36:13.608
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a new world champion.
01:36:15.130 --> 01:36:21.460
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it just feels fresh.
01:36:22.469 --> 01:36:24.232
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, can they do it?
01:36:24.712 --> 01:36:30.441
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think we have a very talented roster, but we don't know.
01:36:30.481 --> 01:36:40.996
[SPEAKER_01]: And I will say that's the exciting part and that's why we do this podcast because, let's see where we are in 2000, like, 207 January 4th.
01:36:41.717 --> 01:36:44.541
[SPEAKER_01]: And let's see where we're at 208 January 4th.
01:36:45.302 --> 01:36:48.527
[SPEAKER_01]: And let's see where we're at with G1 in between it.
01:36:48.845 --> 01:36:51.958
[SPEAKER_01]: We got a lot to be excited about, but I truly believe that.
01:36:52.279 --> 01:36:54.348
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this roster feels it, too.
01:36:57.019 --> 01:36:57.842
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see a nice week.