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I didn't try to make my voice sound like Chris or Eddie or Lane.
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You know, I just I just sang and I was just playing around with my I had like about a year to just play around with my voice um of COVID, just in the in the car by myself, singing a bunch of different random pop songs, uh country songs, rock songs.
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But I I didn't I didn't know of those bands until until then.
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Sharing the soundtrack to your next session.
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Welcome to a new music Friday on Vigorously.
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Welcome to another edition of Vigorously with me, Val Kleinhands, diving into the grunge pool again in this episode, and I am super stoked for it, as I always am.
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Welcome, Michael from Scarhaven in the building.
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How are you, sir?
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Good, how are you?
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Thanks.
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Thanks for having me, Val.
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I'm looking forward to our conversation and talking about music.
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Yes, all the things about music, diving into the process thereof, but first let's establish the vibe.
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We have some some candlelight flickering happen.
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We got a red light happening.
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There is a mood setting.
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You were writing?
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Yes, I was in the middle of a writing session and um by candlelight and uh a little red light.
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Yeah.
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What is it about those things that help like get you to lock in whenever it's time to write?
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Just complete relaxation.
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Um with a little movement going on with the candle, kind of.
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I don't know.
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It it something's alive there.
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So I like keeping a candle on.
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Got it.
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Are you writing anything in particular, like possibly for a next project?
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Or just writing just to write?
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Just just um hopefully, you know, I'm always writing.
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So anything I do write, I send to the guys.
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And if they like it, um, we keep it.
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If they can tweak it, they're more than welcome to tweak it.
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It's very collaborative, but um, yeah, I just I like writing on my own too.
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I love that.
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I just watched the clouds video.
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I want to get into that, and I would love to know how y'all made New Jersey look like the Pacific Northwest.
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I mean, talk about grunge, like there was a vibe there in that video too.
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Yeah, well, luckily, luckily we had it was raining that day.
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So that's that helps.
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That's that that pretty much was the reason why it looked maybe like the Pacific Northwest Northwest.
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Also, the trees kind of the neighborhood we were in, it was I think it was um a little bit central, South Jersey.
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I'm not too sure.
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I'm not familiar with it, but um, yeah, I mean the the neighborhood looked very reminiscent of like the suburbs in Seattle.
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Um I've been to Seattle, so I I'm a I'm pretty familiar with what it what it looks like.
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Me too.
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My favorite thing about it is there's such a variety of Asian food.
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Like oh yeah, never like I was pleasantly surprised, and I was like, there's all the new things that I want to try.
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That was the point, like you go for the music, obviously.
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I think that's the uh for me anyway.
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That was why I went to Seattle.
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I wanted to do all the stereotypical touristy, like rock tours, and you know, find out where anybody recorded and go to Kirk Goldane's house that you've seen on MTV thousands of times when they reported his death, like just all the you know, stereotypical stuff that you want to do.
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And then as I'm about town, I'm like, hold on, they've got eats here, they have food.
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Yeah, no, no, they have some really good food there.
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Their seafood's great too.
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Um, yeah, it's it's so good.
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I love Seattle.
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Yeah, I know.
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I I'll go back anytime.
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I would live there if it wasn't so expensive.
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I've said that before.
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Like, really, I would, but we're in Minnesota now where it's a little more affordable and a lot a little quieter too.
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But I grew up in Pittsburgh, not far from your territory.
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So whereabouts in Pittsburgh?
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I was born and raised in Baldwin and then high school in Upper St.
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Clair, and I've got family just kind of scattered all throughout the area, but you know how it is on the East Coast.
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We we won't say anything up to at least an hour away as part of the metro, right?
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Yeah, like we'll do it, but yeah, so I grew up there and all the trees that I was seeing in this clouds video, I was like, uh, I want to go home.
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Because like we we want we have a lot of farmland here, at least at least my part of Minnesota.
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There is wooded part here, don't get me wrong.
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But like my part is kind of more prairie and like farm and not as much trees.
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So I was I was hankering for some change of the season.
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We're about to get into fall.
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I'm like, I need the trees.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No, I I love the fall.
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I love when the trees start falling down.
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It gets colorful, but then it looks it gets dead.
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And um, I just love the way the trees look when they're kind of barren, they look like banes to me.
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Nothing, yeah, nothing like falling the east coast.
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Nothing, nothing compares.
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I I was I was watching the video too.
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I of course I watched the behind the scenes.
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I need to know when the when the fight is happening with your love interest in the story.
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There's a at the blooper in the blooper reel in the behind the scenes.
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Do you have a Barbie that you're saying, what is this?
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Or a Betty Spaghetti or a Betty Spaghetti?
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I'm like, I know that pig box.
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What was it?
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Yeah, yeah, it was a Barbie.
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And um I just I wanted to break the ice a little bit with uh just having fun on set.
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It was very light on set, and uh it was a it was a great environment.
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Um, yeah, overall it's a great shoot.
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Good.
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Do you attribute that to your director setting the mood or just everybody being on the same page?
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And that's the vibe.
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Definitely our director and our our the whole team, um, our director Brianna Sista and our our uh DP Austin Rappapold.
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Um, I think that's how you say the last name, but they're they're great and their their chemistry was awesome.
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Um, the way they just made everyone comfortable on set was great too.
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Nice.
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And I know at one point you wanted to be an actor.
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So do those lessons sort of help when you're shooting things like this?
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Yeah, definitely.
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Um, they they do.
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Um I'm hoping at some point when I progress in my music, the the paths will I'll get an opportunity so the paths cross again.
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Um, but right now I'm just focusing on music.
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Um, but yeah, I started out as after high school, I went actually went to University of Pittsburgh for a year.
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Hell yeah.
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Okay, now we know.
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Yeah, so I I I wanted to do nursing.
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Oh, that's the school.
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Okay.
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Yeah, but that that to be a nurse is uh you gotta be a different species of human.
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Exhausting.
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Um yeah, there it's uh I credit them completely.
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Um, but that yeah, that fell through.
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I couldn't, I couldn't do it.
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Um, and I always kind of suppressed my creative uh juice in me.
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Growing up, I've always been super creative and imaginative.
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So and I loved all I always loved music and and film.
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Um so I went into acting school in New York City, pursued that, graduated acting school.
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Um, and as I was getting an agent and auditioning, COVID kind of shut New York City, shut the world down pretty much.
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So I was forced to move back home.
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Um, and that's when I taught myself guitar and was doing karaoke for fun.
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Um, and I figured, you know, for shits and giggles, I'll join a band because I wanted something creative to do while we were locked up.
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So um I joined a band.
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Um and yeah, that's how it kind of progressed.
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That's how I met Jared Edson, my bassist.
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Now uh we needed a bass at the time, so he came to join my band, and then he stole me for his band.
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That band fell through, and then it was just us two for a couple of years, just writing a body of work.
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And we made our connections like that on Instagram.
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You know, we put some ad money on Instagram, and uh we we kind of slowly grew like that.
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We met our producer Jim Kaufman and our manager Matthew Leon.
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Um, and they told us, you know, it's just two guys, but you guys sound like a four-piece rock band.
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And then um, that's when we added our guitarist Matt Kilroy and our drummer Shap Shapira.
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So we've been in a band for like about two years now, and um, as of right now, we're just getting ready for this alien ant farm tour that's coming up.
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Oh, I I want to talk about that too.
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There's so many things, but just backing up a little bit, the grunge of it all.
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I mean, was that a conscious decision between you and Jared from the beginning?
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Or no, no, um, it just happened.
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I I I I was late in the game when it came to listening to rock and metal.
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I grew up listening to a lot of seven, like with my mom, um, single mom.
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She she kind of raised me on 70s RB, 70s Motown, 70s, you know, what was popular in the 70s, um, along with a little bit of classic rock, but um her go-to was like Tina Turner, like the OJs, Elton John, um, a bunch of those, you know, big 70s artists.
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Um, and then I kind of found my own path with uh I liked a lot of alternative music, like alternative rock, um, so like U2, Coldplay, Radiohead.
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Um, so when I decided to join a band, those my first band, those members were like, You sound like Chris Cornell and Eddie Vetter and Lane Staley.
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And I didn't heard of Eddie or Lane, but I I the the name Chris Cornell kind of rang a bell, but I only knew him from Casino Royale because he wrote the the score.
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He he he wrote the song for that, you know, my name for that uh James Bond film.
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And um so I dove into that, I dove into those names, I dove into the bands, I dove into that whole scene in the 90s, and I completely fell in love.
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Um, I had no, I I didn't try to make my voice sound like Chris or Eddie or Lane, you know.
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I just I just sang and I was just playing around with my I had like about a year to just play around with my voice um of COVID, just in the in the car by myself, singing a bunch of different random pop songs, uh country songs, rock songs.
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But I I didn't I didn't know of those bands until until then.
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Well, I'm glad to hear that the process was fun for you.
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And I know that well, the the playing with your voice is what I'm talking about, but I know that you know, part of what it takes to be an actor, sometimes vocal coaches are involved.
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So is there a parallel there?
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Are we taking some of what you learned doing that?
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Yeah, for acting, it was more just so projection when you're on stage or behind the camera, uh, projection and intention with what you're saying.
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Um, but in terms of like singing, no.
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I I I was studying to be a film actor, so it it didn't, we didn't really get uh teaching or coaching on that for singing.
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So is it strange to you now to get the the comparisons and the comments on the YouTube, uh everything saying you sound like this person, you sound like that person, because you're like, maybe this was never the assignment, it just happened.
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Yeah, it I mean uh it's first of all, I'm completely I appreciate the compliments and I'm I'm so grateful that um they compare me to legends, you know, because these these singers that they are are legends.
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Um I'm honored for that, but uh I do want to be able to carve my own path with the band and myself as an original artist.
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Um, but yeah, I I find it it it's great, you know.
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It's a it's a huge compliment, and I appreciate it.
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It it's I'd be flattered, believe me.
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Like I think everybody has that list that they're like, if I ever hear this name in connection with my name, I know I made it, I know I'm doing something right, so that's always nice to hear.
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But and they can be a guide sometimes too.
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Like, hey, this is I know Youngblood is called Ozzy, his North Star, just for example.
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Like, it's it's good to have that in your life because I think it keeps you real and kind of hold you accountable sometimes.
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You're like, no, would this person do this?
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And uh if they wouldn't, then I probably wouldn't.
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What does being uh as a band?
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What does being authentic mean to you as a collective?
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All bands, all music, all they we all pull from something.
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We all pull from, we all have influences, um, and we know that.
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Um but to be original means to just listen to your heart, really, and and and do what makes you happy, do what makes you feel right in the moment.
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Um, luckily, I have four uh three brothers in my band that uh we all listen to each other, we're all very collaborative.
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And um, if we like something, if it's something genuinely moves us, we go in that direction.
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We all pull from different influences.
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Like Jared, um, he pulls a lot from the 90s to early 2000s rock, alternative rock.
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He loves Deft Tones, he loves Lincoln Park, um, also the grunge, the grunge fans, Foo Fi.
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He grew up on Lithium, and uh, but he's also a huge pop, like pop uh pop fan.
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He loves pop music, current pop music, uh early 2000s pop music.
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Um, our guitarist pulls a lot from the 50s and 60s, 70s rock and roll.
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He's a very big classic rock guy, so he pulls a lot from that.
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Um, and our drummer, Shap Shapira, um, he pulled he's a jazz drummer, so he's a he grew up playing jazz.
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He he so he's a jazz head.
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So all of that, we're we're kind of like a melting pot.
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And when we kind of let go of our influences, because our influences are able to, they they like they're all they almost become ingrained in you.
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But when you kind of accept that and let that go and just kind of lead with what you're feeling when writing the music or the lyrics, um, that's where the originality comes out because everyone has a different perspective when it comes to what they're putting in the art.
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And while you're exploring all of this, was there a specific moment that you just realized, okay, we found our sound.
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We know what we're doing now.
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Yeah, I mean, even with the first song, I think we we we uh we knew we had the influences, but we kind of let that go and just kind of went wherever we felt we wanted to go with the song.
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We we didn't have any kind of boundaries or we didn't have any kind of set path to say, oh, we want to sound like this, let's do it like this way, you know.
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We just kind of let everything go and kind of went with wherever the song took us.
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And lyrically, you know, I pulled from however that music instrumentally made me feel at the time.
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All based on feeling.
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Why do you think that Gen Z feels a connection to Grunge and the style of music that you guys are doing?
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Um I I'm not entirely uh too sure.
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I know, I know music and film is is cyclical.
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Yeah.
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Um I know we we we our sound does resonate a lot with um the older crowd too, which we appreciate.
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But Gen Z today, I guess um they just maybe it has to do with social media and you know, past within the last 10 years, music has been a little bit too polished, too superficial.
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Um, everyone's trying to be a follower nowadays and look perfect on social media, so they appreciate maybe when something's a little bit more honest and dialed back and just more raw and um can connect with someone more emotionally and has depth to it, you know.
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Yeah, and I think that that you kind of sort of touch on in my way, at least that's the spirit of it.
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I mean, it is very rock and roll in that it promotes choosing your own path in life.
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So while you're on this wild ride as a band, what do you think keeps you authentic?
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Just staying grounded and and uh never forgetting where we came from, you know, um, never, you know, having our egos checked, um, not having an ego, um, and just being being a real human being, having love in our hearts, having compassion, um, being accepting.
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Um, that's really what it all comes down to when it comes to being authentic and and real.
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Um, not trying to be anyone else but yourself.
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Yeah.
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I have to wonder if part of this is the we'll call it a pseudo-mission statement that I'm aware of with the band.
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I know you said before that part of the reason why you have the name Scarhaven is that you hope to provide a haven for anybody listening experiencing struggle in life.
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I mean, and you've been uh you just said you've been at this for a little while now.
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Is this still the mono?
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Is this still the goal?
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Yeah, I mean, absolutely.
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Uh Scarhaven actually is the name of a book that was written around this like 17th century, 18th century, something pretty long time ago.
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Um, and I had no idea that it was a book until I looked up the name Scarhaven.
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But uh those two words kind of combined in my head, and I was like, Scarhaven, that sounds really cool, but also has a double meaning.
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Like anyone who has experienced life, has gone through life, has experiences, you know, dark moments, ups and downs that create scars on us, like mental scars.
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And um I want our music, whether we're writing something lighter and positive or a little darker and more real, um, I want them to have a haven uh in our music and be able to resonate with that and feel something and know that they're not alone in the music.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Is that something that you just refuse to compromise on as a band?
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Like this is what we're doing.
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In terms of like uh being as real as as honest as possible, not selling yeah, yeah, just keeping it um just keeping it real.
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Um if we want to make something lighter and more just I guess the the lyrics focus on something a little bit more positive and hopeful, you know, that's we're still gonna pull from positive and happy moments in our life, you know.
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Do you think it's possible to be authentic, stay authentic while consciously building a brand?
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Because I I mean a lot of the time at the end of the day, a band can be a brand.
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I think it's possible, yeah, for sure.
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I do just a sense of knowing who you really are, and and like I said a million times, like don't be afraid to just like what you like and say what you want to say.
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Um obviously being respectful and not hurting anyone, but um yeah, I think it's possible to still feel and be authentic while uh creating a brand as a band, you know.
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Totally and especially nowadays, you know, I think that could be the leading factor in a brand is just being as authentic as possible when many of today's society and generation is kind of like maybe a little bit superficial.
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Well, yeah, it's social media adds to that for sure.
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Like I've always looked at social media as something that has pros and it has cons.
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The nice thing about it, there's a lower barrier to entry for up-and-coming bands, and it's a lot easier to get your stuff out there now, and it's a lot easier to get noticed now.
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Cons, it's a perpetual motion device, you have to constantly feed it.
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I know you know what that feels like.
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Oh, yeah.
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In a world where artists are just kind of sort of expected to be brands and stay on sometimes.
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How do you protect the actual art?
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Man, that's a good question.
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All my my band, myself and my band members, like we're we are not content creators, um, we are not social media like people.
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I I personally am not a fan of social media at all, but I understand that's the name of the game in today's uh generation with promoting any kind of art.
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And I know social media has its pros for sure, but it also has its pretty deep cons and and can affect someone mentally.
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Having having boundaries with your social media and and and um maybe not not not feeding it, you know.
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I know I know it can be addicting, so I guess having strong boundaries in social media and not being on it too much.
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I feel you.
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And whatever you've been doing has been working because you hinted at this earlier, talking about building a brand and getting more eyes on you.
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One way you're gonna do that is this anthology tour with Alien Antharm.
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Super exciting! You've got to be stoked.
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Yeah, I'm I'm super stoked.
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Um, we just finalized our our last piece of the puzzle for the tour.
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We secured a van that we just bought.
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Um, it's a massive van, so it'll be fun taking turns driving that.
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Uh, but yeah, we're we're super excited, and we we got our first taste of what that could look like when we opened up for Buck Cherry a couple months ago.
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So that that was super fun, huge learning experience, and then seeing just like the crowd on a on a on a different kind of a stage um was a lot of fun too.
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Tell me about touring with Buck Cherry too.
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I mean, lessons learned from that.
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Yeah, no, we didn't we didn't tour with them, but we did get a chance to open up for them when they were in um I think it was PA, um, if I'm not mistaken.
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Um, but yeah, it that that was super fun.
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The the amount of energy and supply and people that you need to make a tour happen is is insane, and and we're so grateful to be in the position that we are to the opening up for Alien Antfarm.
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Yeah.
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Um, but that that experience opening up for Buckchair was great.
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Like the amount of people, the size of the stage, um, the gear on a different level is just it was a lot of fun.
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It sounds like seeing people looking out, there's a huge crowd.
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That was the thing that like took some adjusting too.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
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Um, my me and my my band members and I were we were so it was like a nervous excitement.
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Um, and we kind of did a little huddle.
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We we always do like a little huddle before we go on stage and say what we're grateful for, and let's go out there and and show the people our music and our art and let's have them connect with us.
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And we did that.
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So there were nerves before we went on, but they kind of just dissipated when we got on stage and we just left it out on the stage and gave it to them.
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Adrenaline, baby.
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That's what it is every single time.
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So when you're in those huddles, more often than not, what are all of you most grateful for?
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What what do you hear yourself saying most often?
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We just say thanks to you know, whether you believe in God or Because you know, I I I'm Catholic, but we we we just say thanks to for for having this opportunity that we're in and and um uh being in the position that we're in and and having the ability to be able to make and create art and to be able to have that art connect with people.
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Um and then we just kind of hype ourselves up in that puddle too.
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I mean, yes, yeah.
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So Ship Rock is also on the calendar too.
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Let's correct on that.
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That's also exciting.
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Is this your first cruise like ever, ever?
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Because I have not been on one, but I hear they're fun.
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It it's my first cruise.
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I know Shap has been on a jazz cruise, but I know it's gonna be a different animal, this rock cruise.
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Um, so we're we're super stoked.
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I know it'll it'll be nice to get out of like the cold weather in January on the East Coast.
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Um, so yeah, we're we're super psyched.
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It's it's like five days and we play three times.
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So the rest of the times we're just gonna be enjoying the bands, enjoying the people, enjoying the the food and stuff like that.
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So that's the way to do it.
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And when we're packing for these excursions, be a tour, be a chip rock, what what are some of the essentials?
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Like what do we got on the bus?
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What what what do what do we need?
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Or van?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So like uh a good dose of vitamins and vitamin C.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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We don't need to get sick.
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We we don't want to, we definitely don't want to get sick.
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We we have a joke with our drummer that he's eternally sick because he's a he he's like since the moment I've met him, I feel like he's always coughing and sneezing, but it's just a joke.
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Um, so like vitamins, uh wipes, so we're we're all sanitary.
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Um, those are some essentials, some water, definitely.
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We don't want to die out there, no, um, but yeah, and and then obviously just our our goat, our gear that we need to perform.
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Yes, responsible choices.
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I love that.
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Are we are we maybe watching anything on a phone or something, like while we're in the van or favorite movies, video games?
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Yeah, sometimes um my band is well, all of us, we kind of have the same kind of energy when we're traveling.
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Sometimes it's just super chill, no one really talks.
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We're just enjoying, we're just enjoying the view, we're enjoying what's being played on the radio.
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We take turns playing what songs we like, and then sometimes we just goof around and have a conversation.
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Um, other times we just plug into our own headphones, we watch something or we listen to our own music.
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It's super chill though.
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It's it's it's fun.
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They're group, good group of guys.
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I'm I'm very fortunate to have met them.
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That's on reading a room because I can I can't tell you how many times like I sit somewhere and somebody really wants to talk, and I'm like, I really feel like talking right now.
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And like, but they but they talk because they feel like they have to fill the silence, and I'm like, dude, sometimes silence is all right.
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Yeah, yeah, that's exactly how we are.
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Like we we talk when it's necessary, but otherwise we just we're chill and we don't really have the need.
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It's not never awkward when we're we're not talking, you know.
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Yeah, because that there's a there's kind of an unspoken understanding, and I get that in the example I gave, you it's a stranger, they have no idea what the vibe is, but like it's just funny how that turns out sometimes.
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Yeah.
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What's something that you wish people knew about you before judging the band or making an assumption about the band?
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We're we're really funny, goofy, really funny, goofy guys when you get to know us.
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Um, we're always cracking jokes.
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Um, I feel like I'm with a group of like my eighth grade buddies, you know.
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It's just like we're pretty immature about it.
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Just kind of goofy guys, honestly.
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We may present like we're very silent and awkward and brooding and moody, but um, if you get to know us, we're just really chill and funny, fun, fun to hang out with.
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There's a poop joke, fart joke somewhere, yeah.
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Something happening.
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Yeah, our big word is uh our two big words are nasty and poopy.
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Nasty and poopy.
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Yeah.
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Hopefully, you're not throwing those out like after a show, like, oh, that was nasty.
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Oh, that was poopy.
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No, no, no.
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The shows are going better, that's good to hear.
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Yeah, so and I know at this point we have a few singles out right now.
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So is this leading up to an EP, an album?
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What can you say?
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Yeah, so um Clouds that was just released.
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That was our second song off our second EP.
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Uh, our second EP is gonna have a total listing of like seven tracks.
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Um, and that'll be out by the probably the end of the year or beginning of next year.
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And then we're probably gonna really promote those first two EPs, and then around maybe the end of next year or um 2028, we'll have like the beginning of 2028, we'll have a full album.
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Yeah, there's a long-term plan here, and you're and you're kind of catching people at a good time.
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You're like you're getting interest from being on tour with the alien hand farm, boom, hit them with some music, and then you go away on the ship rock, boom, hit them with some music.
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Yeah, it's kind of one-two, one-two.
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Is that intentional?
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Is that something and an idea that you guys might have had, like an approach you might have wanted to take?
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Um, I know it was our plan for a while now to just do single by single.
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Um just to kind of build up our our fan base and just kind of milking it out.
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We have a couple other plans uh starting 2027.
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Um, some festivals and uh a couple other little tours that I have to keep on the on the down low, but that's okay.
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We we know where to watch you.
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We'll watch you on all the socials, those are updated all the time.
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Michael, I cannot wait for what's next.
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I can't wait to see how this all unfolds, how this all develops.
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Good luck on tour and enjoy Show.
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Thank you, Val.
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A modern approach to grunge is exactly what you're getting with Scarhaven.
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Definitely check them out.
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I'll give you all the links to do so in the captions, show notes, wherever it is that you're getting this podcast.
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Thank you for listening.
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You can find all the links to stay following for all the noon on the way, because you just heard that there's a ton of live performances on the way.
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There's even some more music on the way.
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There's still some more to come here, so stay paying attention.
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I will give you the links to do so to connect you with Scarhaven, uh, the show notes, captions, all that good stuff.
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So you can follow them on socials and at valclinehands.com where you can get the recap of this episode as well.
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And you can recap other episodes too, just in case you missed any.
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We'll see you next time.
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Bye.
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I didn't try to make my voice sound like Chris or Eddie or Lane.
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You know, I just I just sang and I was just playing around with my I had like about a year to just play around with my voice um of COVID, just in the in the car by myself, singing a bunch of different random pop songs, uh country songs, rock songs.
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But I I didn't I didn't know of those bands until until then.
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Sharing the soundtrack to your next session.
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Welcome to a new music Friday on Vigorously.
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Welcome to another edition of Vigorously with me, Val Kleinhands, diving into the grunge pool again in this episode, and I am super stoked for it, as I always am.
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Welcome, Michael from Scarhaven in the building.
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How are you, sir?
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Good, how are you?
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Thanks.
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Thanks for having me, Val.
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I'm looking forward to our conversation and talking about music.
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Yes, all the things about music, diving into the process thereof, but first let's establish the vibe.
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We have some some candlelight flickering happen.
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We got a red light happening.
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There is a mood setting.
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You were writing?
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Yes, I was in the middle of a writing session and um by candlelight and uh a little red light.
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Yeah.
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What is it about those things that help like get you to lock in whenever it's time to write?
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Just complete relaxation.
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Um with a little movement going on with the candle, kind of.
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I don't know.
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It it something's alive there.
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So I like keeping a candle on.
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Got it.
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Are you writing anything in particular, like possibly for a next project?
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Or just writing just to write?
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Just just um hopefully, you know, I'm always writing.
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So anything I do write, I send to the guys.
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And if they like it, um, we keep it.
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If they can tweak it, they're more than welcome to tweak it.
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It's very collaborative, but um, yeah, I just I like writing on my own too.
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I love that.
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I just watched the clouds video.
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I want to get into that, and I would love to know how y'all made New Jersey look like the Pacific Northwest.
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I mean, talk about grunge, like there was a vibe there in that video too.
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Yeah, well, luckily, luckily we had it was raining that day.
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So that's that helps.
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That's that that pretty much was the reason why it looked maybe like the Pacific Northwest Northwest.
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Also, the trees kind of the neighborhood we were in, it was I think it was um a little bit central, South Jersey.
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I'm not too sure.
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I'm not familiar with it, but um, yeah, I mean the the neighborhood looked very reminiscent of like the suburbs in Seattle.
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Um I've been to Seattle, so I I'm a I'm pretty familiar with what it what it looks like.
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Me too.
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My favorite thing about it is there's such a variety of Asian food.
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Like oh yeah, never like I was pleasantly surprised, and I was like, there's all the new things that I want to try.
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That was the point, like you go for the music, obviously.
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I think that's the uh for me anyway.
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That was why I went to Seattle.
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I wanted to do all the stereotypical touristy, like rock tours, and you know, find out where anybody recorded and go to Kirk Goldane's house that you've seen on MTV thousands of times when they reported his death, like just all the you know, stereotypical stuff that you want to do.
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And then as I'm about town, I'm like, hold on, they've got eats here, they have food.
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Yeah, no, no, they have some really good food there.
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Their seafood's great too.
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Um, yeah, it's it's so good.
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I love Seattle.
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Yeah, I know.
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I I'll go back anytime.
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I would live there if it wasn't so expensive.
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I've said that before.
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Like, really, I would, but we're in Minnesota now where it's a little more affordable and a lot a little quieter too.
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But I grew up in Pittsburgh, not far from your territory.
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So whereabouts in Pittsburgh?
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I was born and raised in Baldwin and then high school in Upper St.
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Clair, and I've got family just kind of scattered all throughout the area, but you know how it is on the East Coast.
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We we won't say anything up to at least an hour away as part of the metro, right?
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Yeah, like we'll do it, but yeah, so I grew up there and all the trees that I was seeing in this clouds video, I was like, uh, I want to go home.
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Because like we we want we have a lot of farmland here, at least at least my part of Minnesota.
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There is wooded part here, don't get me wrong.
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But like my part is kind of more prairie and like farm and not as much trees.
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So I was I was hankering for some change of the season.
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We're about to get into fall.
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I'm like, I need the trees.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No, I I love the fall.
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I love when the trees start falling down.
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It gets colorful, but then it looks it gets dead.
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And um, I just love the way the trees look when they're kind of barren, they look like banes to me.
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Nothing, yeah, nothing like falling the east coast.
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Nothing, nothing compares.
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I I was I was watching the video too.
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I of course I watched the behind the scenes.
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I need to know when the when the fight is happening with your love interest in the story.
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There's a at the blooper in the blooper reel in the behind the scenes.
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Do you have a Barbie that you're saying, what is this?
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Or a Betty Spaghetti or a Betty Spaghetti?
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I'm like, I know that pig box.
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What was it?
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Yeah, yeah, it was a Barbie.
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And um I just I wanted to break the ice a little bit with uh just having fun on set.
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It was very light on set, and uh it was a it was a great environment.
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Um, yeah, overall it's a great shoot.
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Good.
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Do you attribute that to your director setting the mood or just everybody being on the same page?
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And that's the vibe.
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Definitely our director and our our the whole team, um, our director Brianna Sista and our our uh DP Austin Rappapold.
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Um, I think that's how you say the last name, but they're they're great and their their chemistry was awesome.
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Um, the way they just made everyone comfortable on set was great too.
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Nice.
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And I know at one point you wanted to be an actor.
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So do those lessons sort of help when you're shooting things like this?
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Yeah, definitely.
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Um, they they do.
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Um I'm hoping at some point when I progress in my music, the the paths will I'll get an opportunity so the paths cross again.
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Um, but right now I'm just focusing on music.
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Um, but yeah, I started out as after high school, I went actually went to University of Pittsburgh for a year.
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Hell yeah.
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Okay, now we know.
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Yeah, so I I I wanted to do nursing.
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Oh, that's the school.
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Okay.
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Yeah, but that that to be a nurse is uh you gotta be a different species of human.
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Exhausting.
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Um yeah, there it's uh I credit them completely.
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Um, but that yeah, that fell through.
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I couldn't, I couldn't do it.
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Um, and I always kind of suppressed my creative uh juice in me.
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Growing up, I've always been super creative and imaginative.
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So and I loved all I always loved music and and film.
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Um so I went into acting school in New York City, pursued that, graduated acting school.
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Um, and as I was getting an agent and auditioning, COVID kind of shut New York City, shut the world down pretty much.
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So I was forced to move back home.
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Um, and that's when I taught myself guitar and was doing karaoke for fun.
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Um, and I figured, you know, for shits and giggles, I'll join a band because I wanted something creative to do while we were locked up.
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So um I joined a band.
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Um and yeah, that's how it kind of progressed.
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That's how I met Jared Edson, my bassist.
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Now uh we needed a bass at the time, so he came to join my band, and then he stole me for his band.
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That band fell through, and then it was just us two for a couple of years, just writing a body of work.
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And we made our connections like that on Instagram.
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You know, we put some ad money on Instagram, and uh we we kind of slowly grew like that.
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We met our producer Jim Kaufman and our manager Matthew Leon.
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Um, and they told us, you know, it's just two guys, but you guys sound like a four-piece rock band.
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And then um, that's when we added our guitarist Matt Kilroy and our drummer Shap Shapira.
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So we've been in a band for like about two years now, and um, as of right now, we're just getting ready for this alien ant farm tour that's coming up.
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Oh, I I want to talk about that too.
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There's so many things, but just backing up a little bit, the grunge of it all.
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I mean, was that a conscious decision between you and Jared from the beginning?
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Or no, no, um, it just happened.
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I I I I was late in the game when it came to listening to rock and metal.
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I grew up listening to a lot of seven, like with my mom, um, single mom.
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She she kind of raised me on 70s RB, 70s Motown, 70s, you know, what was popular in the 70s, um, along with a little bit of classic rock, but um her go-to was like Tina Turner, like the OJs, Elton John, um, a bunch of those, you know, big 70s artists.
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Um, and then I kind of found my own path with uh I liked a lot of alternative music, like alternative rock, um, so like U2, Coldplay, Radiohead.
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Um, so when I decided to join a band, those my first band, those members were like, You sound like Chris Cornell and Eddie Vetter and Lane Staley.
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And I didn't heard of Eddie or Lane, but I I the the name Chris Cornell kind of rang a bell, but I only knew him from Casino Royale because he wrote the the score.
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He he he wrote the song for that, you know, my name for that uh James Bond film.
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And um so I dove into that, I dove into those names, I dove into the bands, I dove into that whole scene in the 90s, and I completely fell in love.
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Um, I had no, I I didn't try to make my voice sound like Chris or Eddie or Lane, you know.
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I just I just sang and I was just playing around with my I had like about a year to just play around with my voice um of COVID, just in the in the car by myself, singing a bunch of different random pop songs, uh country songs, rock songs.
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But I I didn't I didn't know of those bands until until then.
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Well, I'm glad to hear that the process was fun for you.
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And I know that well, the the playing with your voice is what I'm talking about, but I know that you know, part of what it takes to be an actor, sometimes vocal coaches are involved.
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So is there a parallel there?
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Are we taking some of what you learned doing that?
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Yeah, for acting, it was more just so projection when you're on stage or behind the camera, uh, projection and intention with what you're saying.
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Um, but in terms of like singing, no.
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I I I was studying to be a film actor, so it it didn't, we didn't really get uh teaching or coaching on that for singing.
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So is it strange to you now to get the the comparisons and the comments on the YouTube, uh everything saying you sound like this person, you sound like that person, because you're like, maybe this was never the assignment, it just happened.
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Yeah, it I mean uh it's first of all, I'm completely I appreciate the compliments and I'm I'm so grateful that um they compare me to legends, you know, because these these singers that they are are legends.
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Um I'm honored for that, but uh I do want to be able to carve my own path with the band and myself as an original artist.
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Um, but yeah, I I find it it it's great, you know.
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It's a it's a huge compliment, and I appreciate it.
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It it's I'd be flattered, believe me.
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Like I think everybody has that list that they're like, if I ever hear this name in connection with my name, I know I made it, I know I'm doing something right, so that's always nice to hear.
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But and they can be a guide sometimes too.
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Like, hey, this is I know Youngblood is called Ozzy, his North Star, just for example.
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Like, it's it's good to have that in your life because I think it keeps you real and kind of hold you accountable sometimes.
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You're like, no, would this person do this?
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And uh if they wouldn't, then I probably wouldn't.
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What does being uh as a band?
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What does being authentic mean to you as a collective?
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All bands, all music, all they we all pull from something.
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We all pull from, we all have influences, um, and we know that.
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Um but to be original means to just listen to your heart, really, and and and do what makes you happy, do what makes you feel right in the moment.
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Um, luckily, I have four uh three brothers in my band that uh we all listen to each other, we're all very collaborative.
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And um, if we like something, if it's something genuinely moves us, we go in that direction.
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We all pull from different influences.
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Like Jared, um, he pulls a lot from the 90s to early 2000s rock, alternative rock.
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He loves Deft Tones, he loves Lincoln Park, um, also the grunge, the grunge fans, Foo Fi.
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He grew up on Lithium, and uh, but he's also a huge pop, like pop uh pop fan.
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He loves pop music, current pop music, uh early 2000s pop music.
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Um, our guitarist pulls a lot from the 50s and 60s, 70s rock and roll.
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He's a very big classic rock guy, so he pulls a lot from that.
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Um, and our drummer, Shap Shapira, um, he pulled he's a jazz drummer, so he's a he grew up playing jazz.
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He he so he's a jazz head.
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So all of that, we're we're kind of like a melting pot.
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And when we kind of let go of our influences, because our influences are able to, they they like they're all they almost become ingrained in you.
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But when you kind of accept that and let that go and just kind of lead with what you're feeling when writing the music or the lyrics, um, that's where the originality comes out because everyone has a different perspective when it comes to what they're putting in the art.
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And while you're exploring all of this, was there a specific moment that you just realized, okay, we found our sound.
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We know what we're doing now.
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Yeah, I mean, even with the first song, I think we we we uh we knew we had the influences, but we kind of let that go and just kind of went wherever we felt we wanted to go with the song.
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We we didn't have any kind of boundaries or we didn't have any kind of set path to say, oh, we want to sound like this, let's do it like this way, you know.
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We just kind of let everything go and kind of went with wherever the song took us.
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And lyrically, you know, I pulled from however that music instrumentally made me feel at the time.
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All based on feeling.
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Why do you think that Gen Z feels a connection to Grunge and the style of music that you guys are doing?
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Um I I'm not entirely uh too sure.
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I know, I know music and film is is cyclical.
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Yeah.
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Um I know we we we our sound does resonate a lot with um the older crowd too, which we appreciate.
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But Gen Z today, I guess um they just maybe it has to do with social media and you know, past within the last 10 years, music has been a little bit too polished, too superficial.
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Um, everyone's trying to be a follower nowadays and look perfect on social media, so they appreciate maybe when something's a little bit more honest and dialed back and just more raw and um can connect with someone more emotionally and has depth to it, you know.
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Yeah, and I think that that you kind of sort of touch on in my way, at least that's the spirit of it.
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I mean, it is very rock and roll in that it promotes choosing your own path in life.
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So while you're on this wild ride as a band, what do you think keeps you authentic?
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Just staying grounded and and uh never forgetting where we came from, you know, um, never, you know, having our egos checked, um, not having an ego, um, and just being being a real human being, having love in our hearts, having compassion, um, being accepting.
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Um, that's really what it all comes down to when it comes to being authentic and and real.
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Um, not trying to be anyone else but yourself.
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Yeah.
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I have to wonder if part of this is the we'll call it a pseudo-mission statement that I'm aware of with the band.
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I know you said before that part of the reason why you have the name Scarhaven is that you hope to provide a haven for anybody listening experiencing struggle in life.
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I mean, and you've been uh you just said you've been at this for a little while now.
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Is this still the mono?
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Is this still the goal?
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Yeah, I mean, absolutely.
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Uh Scarhaven actually is the name of a book that was written around this like 17th century, 18th century, something pretty long time ago.
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Um, and I had no idea that it was a book until I looked up the name Scarhaven.
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But uh those two words kind of combined in my head, and I was like, Scarhaven, that sounds really cool, but also has a double meaning.
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Like anyone who has experienced life, has gone through life, has experiences, you know, dark moments, ups and downs that create scars on us, like mental scars.
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And um I want our music, whether we're writing something lighter and positive or a little darker and more real, um, I want them to have a haven uh in our music and be able to resonate with that and feel something and know that they're not alone in the music.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Is that something that you just refuse to compromise on as a band?
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Like this is what we're doing.
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In terms of like uh being as real as as honest as possible, not selling yeah, yeah, just keeping it um just keeping it real.
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Um if we want to make something lighter and more just I guess the the lyrics focus on something a little bit more positive and hopeful, you know, that's we're still gonna pull from positive and happy moments in our life, you know.
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Do you think it's possible to be authentic, stay authentic while consciously building a brand?
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Because I I mean a lot of the time at the end of the day, a band can be a brand.
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I think it's possible, yeah, for sure.
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I do just a sense of knowing who you really are, and and like I said a million times, like don't be afraid to just like what you like and say what you want to say.
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Um obviously being respectful and not hurting anyone, but um yeah, I think it's possible to still feel and be authentic while uh creating a brand as a band, you know.
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Totally and especially nowadays, you know, I think that could be the leading factor in a brand is just being as authentic as possible when many of today's society and generation is kind of like maybe a little bit superficial.
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Well, yeah, it's social media adds to that for sure.
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Like I've always looked at social media as something that has pros and it has cons.
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The nice thing about it, there's a lower barrier to entry for up-and-coming bands, and it's a lot easier to get your stuff out there now, and it's a lot easier to get noticed now.
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Cons, it's a perpetual motion device, you have to constantly feed it.
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I know you know what that feels like.
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Oh, yeah.
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In a world where artists are just kind of sort of expected to be brands and stay on sometimes.
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How do you protect the actual art?
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Man, that's a good question.
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All my my band, myself and my band members, like we're we are not content creators, um, we are not social media like people.
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I I personally am not a fan of social media at all, but I understand that's the name of the game in today's uh generation with promoting any kind of art.
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And I know social media has its pros for sure, but it also has its pretty deep cons and and can affect someone mentally.
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Having having boundaries with your social media and and and um maybe not not not feeding it, you know.
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I know I know it can be addicting, so I guess having strong boundaries in social media and not being on it too much.
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I feel you.
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And whatever you've been doing has been working because you hinted at this earlier, talking about building a brand and getting more eyes on you.
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One way you're gonna do that is this anthology tour with Alien Antharm.
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Super exciting! You've got to be stoked.
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Yeah, I'm I'm super stoked.
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Um, we just finalized our our last piece of the puzzle for the tour.
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We secured a van that we just bought.
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Um, it's a massive van, so it'll be fun taking turns driving that.
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Uh, but yeah, we're we're super excited, and we we got our first taste of what that could look like when we opened up for Buck Cherry a couple months ago.
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So that that was super fun, huge learning experience, and then seeing just like the crowd on a on a on a different kind of a stage um was a lot of fun too.
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Tell me about touring with Buck Cherry too.
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I mean, lessons learned from that.
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Yeah, no, we didn't we didn't tour with them, but we did get a chance to open up for them when they were in um I think it was PA, um, if I'm not mistaken.
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Um, but yeah, it that that was super fun.
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The the amount of energy and supply and people that you need to make a tour happen is is insane, and and we're so grateful to be in the position that we are to the opening up for Alien Antfarm.
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Yeah.
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Um, but that that experience opening up for Buckchair was great.
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Like the amount of people, the size of the stage, um, the gear on a different level is just it was a lot of fun.
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It sounds like seeing people looking out, there's a huge crowd.
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That was the thing that like took some adjusting too.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
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Um, my me and my my band members and I were we were so it was like a nervous excitement.
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Um, and we kind of did a little huddle.
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We we always do like a little huddle before we go on stage and say what we're grateful for, and let's go out there and and show the people our music and our art and let's have them connect with us.
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And we did that.
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So there were nerves before we went on, but they kind of just dissipated when we got on stage and we just left it out on the stage and gave it to them.
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Adrenaline, baby.
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That's what it is every single time.
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So when you're in those huddles, more often than not, what are all of you most grateful for?
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What what do you hear yourself saying most often?
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We just say thanks to you know, whether you believe in God or Because you know, I I I'm Catholic, but we we we just say thanks to for for having this opportunity that we're in and and um uh being in the position that we're in and and having the ability to be able to make and create art and to be able to have that art connect with people.
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Um and then we just kind of hype ourselves up in that puddle too.
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I mean, yes, yeah.
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So Ship Rock is also on the calendar too.
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Let's correct on that.
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That's also exciting.
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Is this your first cruise like ever, ever?
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Because I have not been on one, but I hear they're fun.
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It it's my first cruise.
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I know Shap has been on a jazz cruise, but I know it's gonna be a different animal, this rock cruise.
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Um, so we're we're super stoked.
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I know it'll it'll be nice to get out of like the cold weather in January on the East Coast.
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Um, so yeah, we're we're super psyched.
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It's it's like five days and we play three times.
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So the rest of the times we're just gonna be enjoying the bands, enjoying the people, enjoying the the food and stuff like that.
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So that's the way to do it.
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And when we're packing for these excursions, be a tour, be a chip rock, what what are some of the essentials?
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Like what do we got on the bus?
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What what what do what do we need?
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Or van?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So like uh a good dose of vitamins and vitamin C.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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We don't need to get sick.
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We we don't want to, we definitely don't want to get sick.
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We we have a joke with our drummer that he's eternally sick because he's a he he's like since the moment I've met him, I feel like he's always coughing and sneezing, but it's just a joke.
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Um, so like vitamins, uh wipes, so we're we're all sanitary.
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Um, those are some essentials, some water, definitely.
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We don't want to die out there, no, um, but yeah, and and then obviously just our our goat, our gear that we need to perform.
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Yes, responsible choices.
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I love that.
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Are we are we maybe watching anything on a phone or something, like while we're in the van or favorite movies, video games?
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Yeah, sometimes um my band is well, all of us, we kind of have the same kind of energy when we're traveling.
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Sometimes it's just super chill, no one really talks.
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We're just enjoying, we're just enjoying the view, we're enjoying what's being played on the radio.
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We take turns playing what songs we like, and then sometimes we just goof around and have a conversation.
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Um, other times we just plug into our own headphones, we watch something or we listen to our own music.
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It's super chill though.
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It's it's it's fun.
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They're group, good group of guys.
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I'm I'm very fortunate to have met them.
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That's on reading a room because I can I can't tell you how many times like I sit somewhere and somebody really wants to talk, and I'm like, I really feel like talking right now.
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And like, but they but they talk because they feel like they have to fill the silence, and I'm like, dude, sometimes silence is all right.
00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:52.720
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly how we are.
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Like we we talk when it's necessary, but otherwise we just we're chill and we don't really have the need.
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It's not never awkward when we're we're not talking, you know.
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Yeah, because that there's a there's kind of an unspoken understanding, and I get that in the example I gave, you it's a stranger, they have no idea what the vibe is, but like it's just funny how that turns out sometimes.
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Yeah.
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What's something that you wish people knew about you before judging the band or making an assumption about the band?
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We're we're really funny, goofy, really funny, goofy guys when you get to know us.
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Um, we're always cracking jokes.
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Um, I feel like I'm with a group of like my eighth grade buddies, you know.
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It's just like we're pretty immature about it.
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Just kind of goofy guys, honestly.
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We may present like we're very silent and awkward and brooding and moody, but um, if you get to know us, we're just really chill and funny, fun, fun to hang out with.
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There's a poop joke, fart joke somewhere, yeah.
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Something happening.
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Yeah, our big word is uh our two big words are nasty and poopy.
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Nasty and poopy.
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Yeah.
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Hopefully, you're not throwing those out like after a show, like, oh, that was nasty.
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Oh, that was poopy.
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No, no, no.
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The shows are going better, that's good to hear.
00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:12.559
Yeah, so and I know at this point we have a few singles out right now.
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So is this leading up to an EP, an album?
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What can you say?
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Yeah, so um Clouds that was just released.
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That was our second song off our second EP.
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Uh, our second EP is gonna have a total listing of like seven tracks.
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Um, and that'll be out by the probably the end of the year or beginning of next year.
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And then we're probably gonna really promote those first two EPs, and then around maybe the end of next year or um 2028, we'll have like the beginning of 2028, we'll have a full album.
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:52.319
Yeah, there's a long-term plan here, and you're and you're kind of catching people at a good time.
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You're like you're getting interest from being on tour with the alien hand farm, boom, hit them with some music, and then you go away on the ship rock, boom, hit them with some music.
00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:05.359
Yeah, it's kind of one-two, one-two.
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Is that intentional?
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:11.680
Is that something and an idea that you guys might have had, like an approach you might have wanted to take?
00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:16.799
Um, I know it was our plan for a while now to just do single by single.
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Um just to kind of build up our our fan base and just kind of milking it out.
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We have a couple other plans uh starting 2027.
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Um, some festivals and uh a couple other little tours that I have to keep on the on the down low, but that's okay.
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:39.359
We we know where to watch you.
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We'll watch you on all the socials, those are updated all the time.
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Michael, I cannot wait for what's next.
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I can't wait to see how this all unfolds, how this all develops.
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Good luck on tour and enjoy Show.
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Thank you, Val.
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:55.440
A modern approach to grunge is exactly what you're getting with Scarhaven.
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Definitely check them out.
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I'll give you all the links to do so in the captions, show notes, wherever it is that you're getting this podcast.
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Thank you for listening.
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You can find all the links to stay following for all the noon on the way, because you just heard that there's a ton of live performances on the way.
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There's even some more music on the way.
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There's still some more to come here, so stay paying attention.
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I will give you the links to do so to connect you with Scarhaven, uh, the show notes, captions, all that good stuff.
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:25.519
So you can follow them on socials and at valclinehands.com where you can get the recap of this episode as well.
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And you can recap other episodes too, just in case you missed any.
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