LaTocha: The breakup of Xscape, not getting credit for my work and being overlooked

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You were considered the big girl in the group. Yeah,
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but you had the biggest voice in the group.
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I was the big girl. I wasn't Latasha, and that
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bothered me.
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It was just like Gho saying, you go do this.
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So I did a lot of work, but definitely was
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in the background. I wrote a lot of songs that
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never got the credit for it. Biggie Smalls once he
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said that he would rather f rue Paul than the
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ugly Bes and escape.
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It was very hurtful.
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The group dynamic has changed over the years.
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All of us have kind of contributed to the demise.
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Yeah, of the group for sure.
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When things started to escalate for the last show, I
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was definitely on the out. I just didn't understand how
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seven women turned into one person being scrutinized.
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I was just ostracized to me in that way.
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When the tour was announced and you were trying to
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figure out what was going on, you had your lawyer
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to send a letter to.
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The group the fans. I never wanted to disappoint them.
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It's like, y'all don't know what's really going on, so
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y'all thinking I'm quitting that I'm adiva. They just choose
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to move on in the way that they're moving on
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without me. Nobody wants to be kicked out of it.
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A situation that you started created and nobody calls.
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They say they don't have the number. Yes they do.
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I've called my sister our texter's two years. Say you
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imagine not being talking to your sister for two years.
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You said that you've made some mistakes as a big sister.
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What do you think some of those mistakes have been.
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I know it's hard to talk about because you love
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your sister so much. Chirs, Yeah, would you sing with
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a group of game Welcome to Valdenpower's Talk. So we
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don't just scratch the surface, we dive deep into the
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lives of some of the world's most influential change makers.
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I'm your host, Brandy Harvey.
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Now, y'all, we didn't gotten the choir practice, we didn't
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already started. I have been tasked to sing before the
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end of this show. With a gifted voice deeply rooted
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in gospel music. Latasha is one fourth of the prolific
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R and B quartet Escape. In nineteen ninety three, they
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exploded onto the music scene, yielding six consecutive top ten
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hits and three platinum albums. In addition to singing, Latasha
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has a passion for health and wellness. In twenty eighteen,
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she became a staunch vegan and launched her brand, Made Girl,
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a healthy lifestyle company. She released her first cookbook in
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twenty twenty, Latasha's Planet Lifestyle and created a fitness line
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of premium May Girl Athleisure, where her philanthropic endeavor, Made
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Girl Foundation served to build creativity in young women through teaching,
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arts and music Bought Empowers Talks. Welcome singer and songwriter
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Latasha to the show.
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Listen that was just beautiful.
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Listen memory Lane to be honest, back damn memory Lane.
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Okay, I can't Natasha down Memory Lane Lane. I like it.
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At least you did it. Most people all right to
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do it.
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You do this out to listen call me bone bone,
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crush it because I ain't never scared Latasha. So here
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we are. I'm so happy that you were sitting down.
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We had to interview. Before the interview now, yeah, yeah,
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we we had to get get some things.
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What are we gonna talk about? What is following you
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in this season?
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But I told you before we got started that you
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really shaped my childhood, young adult life with your music.
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I mean, come on now, I was a black girl
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growing up in Cleveland, Ohio, and four girls came up
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when Bandana's in Leather vest One hit the scene talking
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about just kicking it. Listen, you and me listen, And
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so you've done that all the way to I told
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you my favorite album, Softest Place on Earth no skips.
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Yeah, it was Traces of My Lipstick, But Softest Place
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is your Oh that's my song.
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Yes, Traces of my Lipstick, Lipstick charistic, that's the intro. Yeah,
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Traces on my Lipstick.
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Yeah, that was an album for you. You know it
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was a lot during that time.
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I mean yeah, when you listen to that album, they
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always say the same things.
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The sound checking my life. There's a lot in.
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That that album, just recording and finding myself and the
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girls and music and shaping the next chapter. So yeah,
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when I think about Traces of My Lipstick.
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Is a lot Traces of my lipstick. This is the
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album cover y'all know they had on the red Yeah.
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Maybe all the videos y'all was popping. Honey, got a
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little bit more sexier, y'all. My little secret, no more
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baggy clothes. Yeah, Yeah, y'all came out more sensual. Y'all
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were like, y'all blossomed into the women on that album
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for sure.
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Because keep in mind, Jermaine was dressing us. When you
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said the baggy clothes with the leather, that was Jermaine. Yeah,
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he gave us that. He was like, you guys are
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like hood hood chicks. You're the ghetto in bold and
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we're like, oh really, I mean we did come from
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College Park, so in his eyes, it was the hood,
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but we had such big voices, incredible voices, so he
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was like, I want people to focus on that more
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so than what you had over.
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Yeah, that was an evolution for sure, and I thank
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God for it.
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No more cross colors, no more baggy pants wear emails
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were growing up.
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You know, I would have never put y'all us the
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ghetto involved. I would have put y'all the girl Jodasy
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though I like the girl version, like the girl Jodasy,
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That's what I saw, y'all.
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Yeah, that is true, but in his eyes ghetto in vote,
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we were ghetto.
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Damn.
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That's the first that's the first time I've ever heard that.
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I would have never put y'all as a ghetto in
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vogue at all.
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But I mean, here's the thing that.
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I do know, and like, even listening to your journey
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and prepping for this, you know, you were considered the
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big girl in the group during that time. I was yeah, yeah,
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you was the big girl in the group. Yeah, but
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you had the biggest voice in the group. And I
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think that I can imagine that that came with some
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level of insecurities on your part of not feeling maybe
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good enough in certain in certain instances, of always kind
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of feeling like they had to put you in the back.
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You know, what was that time like in those formative years.
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To be honest, I was just happy to have my
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voice heard, whether I was in the back of the front.
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It was a little it was hard at times because
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it's like, Okay, you're gonna sing all these songs, but
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we need you to stand here. And like you said before,
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I was a bigger I wasn't Latasha, and that bothered me.
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You know.
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Of course, the self esteements all at the bottom, so
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there were things that were said, going you go in
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and singing, and I wasn't even the type of person like, okay,
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am I gonna.
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Get paid for this? It was just like, go sing,
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you go do this.
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So I did a lot of work, but definitely was
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in the background, and it was it was very hurtful,
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but I covered it up with the voice.
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I'm like, I can sing.
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Let me just get onto mind, let me just let
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me sing my hurt, let me sing my pain. And
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I think that resonated with so many other people as
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well back in the day.
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I mean, for sure, I think it still resonates now.
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Yeah, I mean, but I have to wonder, you know,
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in in that space of trying to find yourself, how
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are you putting that into the music because people don't
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know that you were a songwriter on all the albums. Yeah,
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you know, what was that like in writing those songs?
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Well, to be honest with you, when I'm in something,
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I'm in it.
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You know.
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With the group, it was always, you know, myself and
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Candy would write as well.
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All of us really wrote what I wrote.
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A lot of songs that never got the credit for it,
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you know, And a lot of times I would say,
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you know, my sister wasn't always in the studio to write,
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but she would always get the credit for it. And
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that's that's just who I am, you know, As a sister,
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as a you.
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Know, just just me.
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So I would write songs and they would come in
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and some things they weren't even on, like when you
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hear the song keep on keeping on, that's just me,
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that's me singing. I think Candy came in and did
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some ad libs, but Jamaine would put Escape on it
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just to make sure that that name would kind of.
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Carry what that is.
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So yeah, I've had to write and just kind of
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sit back in this world and not.
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Say anything hmmm hmm, but still getting.
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My voice heard because at the at the end of
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the day, I was like, at least I'm able to
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write my feelings in right Howard you know what I saw?
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Yeah, I mean, what did it play into your mental
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because as this young girl growing up not considered because
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even recently Jermaine Duprie has been noted as saying, like,
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you know, you all weren't considered what would be this
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standard of beauty for the music industry. Yeah, and so
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sometimes it was a tough sell, very tough, and so
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how did that play into how you showed up, whether
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that was in performance or whether that was backstage. I mean,
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I've always felt, like, like I said before, as long
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as I can sing, as long as I can grab
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the microphone.
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Maybe you guys.
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Would not look at the body. Maybe you're not looking
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at what I have on. Maybe let me just give you, guys,
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what God has given me. It kind of helped it.
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But at the end of the day, we know as women,
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you know, anytime you feel I'm pretty, it just it
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weighs on you in so many different areas.
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You feel like you're not enough.
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You feel like, Okay, if I do this, it may
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not be worthy to have the accolades, or you don't
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have the confidence as you should. You know, when you're
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being scrutinized because of your weight or the way that
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you look.
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And that was always what it was.
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And I think Biggie Smalls once he said that we
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were he would rather f rue Paul. I think that's
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the words he said, than if the ugly be's an escape.
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So I was just like that.
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I don't even remember this. This was a lyric that
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that notorious Big said. Oh wow, yeah, wow. I mean,
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I can only imagine how that played into your psyche
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and how you showed up in the world.
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I mean, but it really helped fuel you.
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By the time two thousand and nine comes around, you
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start making this transition to change your life. You get
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you start adapting to a plant based diet and that
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has since carried you over the years. And now I
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mean you done roll back the clock, Latasha.
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I mean you, No, you done roll back the clock.
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And it's work everything, if it's disciplined, it's work. Is
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having to think about the things that you've gone through
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is shaping your character, is shaping everything about you. You know,
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what you've gone through as a writer, as a mother,
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as a as a daughter, as a person in the industry,
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all of those things, you know, And they say, what
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do they say?
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Adversity introduces a man to himself.
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And when I tell you the things that I've been
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through and the things that I've heard.
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And experience, it's definitely shaped me. You know.
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The Tasha back in the day with the back is
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I'm not the same not the same girl. And there
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were times I would go into rooms and people like, no,
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you you don't write on this one, but you go,
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you know. But now it's like, oh no, anytime somebody
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calls me, I'm gonna write my verse.
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Yeah, I'm gonna write my part. And I'm gonna sing.
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From my personal experiences because we were gonna male dominated industry,
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so we would come in and they would have everything
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written and people like y'all ain't know nothing about this,
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Like we just went in and sang it. But now
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I have the opportunity in the authority to say, mm hmmm,
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I'm gonna write, I'm gonna be a part of this.
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I want to have ownership. Yeah, because that's what it's
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about too. At the end of the day.
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Yeah, you've become a better advocate for yourself and for others.
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not just for you, and I have to learn that
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as well.
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It's like, girl, get over yourself.
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what you've gone through and that need that advice, that
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need to be inspired in that way.
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And I never looked at it like that.
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It's always okay, well i've been rejected over here, this
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person says something.
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It's like, but you have to be there for someone else.
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I think at the very beginning when you and I,
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when I first got here, you were you were saying,
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if the old if the latasha could.
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Talk to the younger person, that's what we do.
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We take that time, everything that we've learned and experienced
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and we give it to the younger.
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We give it to empower them, we give it to
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let them know.
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it from my grandmother all the time. She'll tell you, girl,
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I've been through this, don't you You'll be okay.
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I mean, I keep trying to tell my little cousin Lexi,
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she's twenty four. I do this all the time. I'm
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becoming a girl. I got the T shirt, I got
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the lug in the topad to try you want to go,
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get you one, you know.
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But in the industry, we didn't have that. We didn't
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have people saying, hey, let me talk for a second.
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This is what is expected and this is what you
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may go through.
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I got you. We never had that.
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So as we're transitioning becoming young women in this industry
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not knowing, very naive. You know, you actually thrust into
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an industry that you know nothing of, and you learn
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and then sometimes you know, when you look and you
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see people are judging and doing those things, it's like
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if you guys can only walk a year. I would
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give you guys a year. In this industry, it's a lot.
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Yeah, you talk about things you've had to learn.
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I really want to dive into some of the things
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you've had to unlearn because there are so many women
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who look at you and they see an inspiration because
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they may have been carrying some weight for a number
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of years and they had to share that weight. I
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want you to talk to those women. What have you
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had to lose? What if you had to unlearn while
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losing the weight?
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That everybody that comes around is not your friend. I'll
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start there first, because they're people who actually.
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Pray on your downfall.
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They pray on the fact that you don't know, so
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they take advantage of you. People who come into your life,
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they say, let me help you. Everybody's they're not that.
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And a lot of time they'll come in, they'll do
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their damage, and they'll spread little rumors and then they leave.
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So I had to unlearn that everybody that comes in here,
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it's not your friend, it's not a friend. Yeah, when
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a friend is a real friend, up and down. They
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don't I'm not gonna say they don't judge me. I
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think for me my friends. They hold me accountable. They
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tell me what it is. They tell me the truth.
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My family members tell me the truth is nobody like
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they say, blow smoke up my behind. They can't tell
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me what it is, don't do they don't say that.
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And when you were looking like that people, Yeah, and
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so I have to surround myself with people who are
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not yes men. M So I have to learn that
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and unlearn a lot of a lot of things being
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a female in this industry or just being a female
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in wife.
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Yeah, what if you had to unlearn about your health
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journey because you made this transition to be to live
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this plant based life. And at one point you told
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me off camera, you know, you were the pescatarian and
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then you made the full transition to being vegan. What
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did you have to What was the first step in that?
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Well, I start with the family dinners. You know.
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Growing up, my grandmother and grandfather they had like a garden, right,
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so they would go out there and they also had
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pigs and they would slaughter the pigs. And you know,
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I remember one Christmas, I named this pig Henry, Oh
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not Henry. Yeah, and my grandfather we ate good that
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Christmas and I go, where's Henry.
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He was like, you ate them? You ate Henry?
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And I was very sad. I was very sad, but
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I was like okay. Later on, it's like I didn't
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need the pork. I didn't need that part of it,
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you know. I learned good about the garden and planting
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with my grandmother and doing fried green tomatoes and that
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conversation that we had in the Kinchen. But I had
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to learn every food is just not good for you,
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and then it weighed you down. And a lot of
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times food is spiritual as well, and people don't know
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that there's something that goes along with it. But I
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also talk about the good part of food too, So
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I talk about family, how we're missing that part of
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just sitting down and talking to our children and our
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family members because we're so inundated with our phones and
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we never get a chance to sit down.
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And see what it really is.
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If you think about growing up and grandmother's in the
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kitchen and we're talking, and if Auntie is going through something,
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everybody's there to talk her through it, or we just
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were missing that part.
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But for me, it's about the food and what we're putting.
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In our bodies and being just very conscious about what
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that is.
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Yeah, and so you're very conscious about that right now
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because you did a cookbook during the pandemic twenty twenty.
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You did a cookbook, And so what are you hoping
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that people really walk away with when they get that cookbook,
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when they learn some of these recipes that have helped
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to change your life.
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Well, I use that book as a staple for me,
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and I have stories in there about me being in
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the industry and being called the big girl and the
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things that I've had to do.
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So I want the book to inspire.
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I want the book to make you more conscious of
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being able to eat healthier for yourselves. I know when
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my father found out he had diabetes and they were like, oh,
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it's genetic.
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I was like, I don't want it. And I was like,
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I have to make a change. I didn't want to
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be that.
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So I think with just that alone, it just that
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book inspired, you know, And it came at a time
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when I couldn't sing anymore. Like when COVID hit, I
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was like, Lord, I have to walk in my purpose.
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I can't get on stage and affect people in that way.
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So what can I do? You know, and he just
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kind of brought me back to when we did go
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on tour and so many people like what did you
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do to lose a weight? And people were coming to
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me telling me about their stories about their health, and
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he was like, take to the cookbook. You've always talked
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about that you still can inspire people in that way.
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So I think I feel like the cookbook is just
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that to inspire to think about what we're putting in
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our bodies and to allow these young girls and know,
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I mean, you know, we have these fast food restaurants,
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but that is not food. That's not healthy at all,
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and then we're fogging in the brain and certain things
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are happening and people can't think straight a lot about
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the food.
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It's so much about the food.
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I truly believe that I was vegan for five years,
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like full vegan for five years, and then you know, Natasha,
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one day I was spelling on Instagram and I saw
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some crab legs and I said, you know what.
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Girl, you still can't do the crab meat.
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It's heart palm. I don't want to know you exactly.
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I don't know baby, I know how to cook the baby.
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I don't want no hearts of palm, crab cake, aut
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mushrooms and all that other stuff. Give me a fact,
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it's nothing wrong. But but I think when we're more
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conscious of smaller things like vegetables and things that we're
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putting in. I'm not saying stop eating this stuff, but
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people are not eating that's at all.
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No I am.
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I call myself plant based right because I really eat.
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Most of my meals are fruits and vegetables, whole food diet.
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I like, I just recently gave up alcohol, so I'm
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probably like, you gave up alcohol. I gave up alcohol,
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oh yeah, uh huh and all processed foods.
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I feel absolutely amazing. I think over forty.
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I realize that alcohol does not do me well. And
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I keep talking about this on all the episodes because
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I just feel so good. You know, you look good,
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Thank you?
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I know, you know, friend, I'd be doing my little
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one and exercise.
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Is key as well.
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Oh yeah, well I eat, will give it that and
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move my body every day.
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I do every day, you know.
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I mean, but I think that there's something because I
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know when women are carrying weight, that the weight is
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attached to so many different emotions. It's attached to so
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many different things, and I can only imagine years of
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having compounded, you know, self esteem hits and feeling these
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moments of I only feel worthy when I'm on the stage,
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you know, doing my thing. I can only imagine what
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that feels, what you've been carrying all those years, and
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to start to let that go has been probably so
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freeing for.
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You, so so freeing.
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It's in the music, it's in my walk, it's in
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empowering other women, you know. I think when we did
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that last show, it was for the Lady of I
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think it was Lady of So Soul trained, and I
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think I took to the stage and I told everybody listen,
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that's not them, anybody's light. And I meant that. It
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wasn't anything about the group and anything like that. It
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was about life. And it's like I've done all these things.
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I've accomplished all these goals, and yes, the self esteem
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was low, and now I'm at a place where I
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can help somebody else and I don't wanted them the light.
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I want the light to shine.
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And even what I've gone through, I feel like God
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has brought me closer to him so that I could
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be a light.
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I mean, you said this in one of your your
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recent interviews. You said that the things that you've gone through,
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you said, has been God was making you uncomfortable in
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a situation to bring you closer to Him. And so
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when we think about that situation, I mean, you've gone
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through a lot with the group. The group dynamic has
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changed over the years, and that has been to some
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things on your part and some on the other lady's part.
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I think it's all of us collectively.
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I don't think that one person can point the finger
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just at one person. I think all of us. You know,
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like I said, we're very young in the industry. We
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never had someone to sit down and have therapy or
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talk it out. It's like we were always moving thirty years.
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It's just like ongoing and we never talked about anything.
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And when you ever, when you have a group, a partnership,
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anything that you don't communicate, you already know.
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How that's gonna end. It's not gonna end well.
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And then you have people who become successful and they
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start making more money. So when with that comes even worse,
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it's even worse because it's like I don't have time
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to talk about it. Now I have money, I can
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move on and do that. But we never really sat
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down to talk about any of the differences. We just
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kind of carried that all of us and so all
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of us have you know, kind of contributed to the
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demise of the group for sure.
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So when you think of the lack of communication, if
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you look back over this the group in the thirty years,
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when do you think was the first breakdown of communication?
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It was going to It was coming out of the
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second album going into the third album. That was Off
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the Hook, Off the Girl, because it was funny, Get
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Me Yeah, Hamma Coming at You was the first one,
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and then Off the Hook was the second one. And
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that is when the girls were more vocal about singing,
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you know, they were like, Okay, we want to sing more,
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you know, and everybody's when we come in the studio,
490
00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:37.559
they're asking Tasha to sing a lot of the songs.
491
00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:39.319
So for the third album, I had oppotion.
492
00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:40.359
So wait, just for clarity.
493
00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:43.519
At this point, you were pretty much the lead singer
494
00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:44.960
on most of the records.
495
00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:48.599
I wouldn't because I don't want to say the lead
496
00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:51.720
who was? Who was? Who can run to? And that
497
00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:54.640
story is such a long story. Who can I run to?
498
00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:57.240
Jermaine and I were in his basement listening to records.
499
00:21:57.480 --> 00:21:58.880
And keep in mind, I grew up in the church,
500
00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:02.200
so we couldn't listen into secondly, like, we couldn't listen
501
00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:03.119
to music like that.
502
00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:07.920
So it was pentecostal holiness. Yeah, long skirts, no maker,
503
00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:12.400
no makeup, no no finging up out.
504
00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:15.319
You know they gonna say something about me now. But yeah,
505
00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:16.720
like we didn't. We didn't grow up listening to that.
506
00:22:16.759 --> 00:22:19.880
And so when Jermaine put on the Jones Girls Brandy,
507
00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:23.200
I was like, oh my god, the harmon is beautiful.
508
00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:26.160
And so I was like, we need to do this record.
509
00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:28.240
He was like, okay, who's gonna do the record with you?
510
00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:30.359
I was like my sister. He was like, oh no,
511
00:22:31.119 --> 00:22:33.880
mm hmmm, because my sister, when it came down to recording,
512
00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:36.920
she just took a little longer than most. And so
513
00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:39.640
with that he was I said, listen, let me let
514
00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:42.440
me have this, let me help, let me do my part,
515
00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:44.880
and he was like okay. So we recorded that song
516
00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:46.920
and she fought me. She was like, I don't like it.
517
00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:48.359
I don't want to sing it. I don't like it.
518
00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:48.880
Your sister.
519
00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:53.200
She fought me. Literally, Oh y'all, was fighting, fighting, like
520
00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:56.519
she threw the tape out, like I don't want it.
521
00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:57.039
Oh wow.
522
00:22:57.160 --> 00:22:59.039
Back then it was tapes. Yeah, everybody was tapes by
523
00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:00.839
cassette tape, yeah.
524
00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:01.960
Album.
525
00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:04.319
So I'm listening to it and I, you know, I
526
00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:05.839
told my mom. I was like, what do you how
527
00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:07.519
you feel about this song? She was like, it's beautiful.
528
00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:09.519
And Tamika came over. She was like, why don't you
529
00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:11.240
want to sing the song? And she was like, listen
530
00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:14.359
to it. So we thought about it and then Jermaine
531
00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:15.920
asked and I said, she's gonna do it, and I
532
00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:18.599
made her come to the studio, sang it with her,
533
00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.319
and we went through the whole process. And to me,
534
00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:25.079
that is one of Escape's best records. Like and that
535
00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:28.480
song comes on, it's oh biggest hits. And to this
536
00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:30.400
day they think it's our song. It's not even our song.
537
00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:31.799
It's it Jones girls. It's a remake.
538
00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:36.160
I did not know it was a remake until until
539
00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:39.480
when you guys dropped that album, when you dropped the single.
540
00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:42.680
I'm driving riding in the car with my mom and
541
00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:46.200
I'm jamming to y'all singing on the radio, singing who
542
00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:46.920
can I run to?
543
00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:49.319
And my mother said this is a.
544
00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:53.119
Remake, and I said, Mama, knew, how is it a remake?
545
00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:55.440
This? They just they song and she said, no, the
546
00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:57.799
Jones girls made And that was how I found out
547
00:23:58.519 --> 00:24:00.640
when you all song was on the radio, y'o and
548
00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:03.400
I'm riding in the car my mama and she said, no, no, no,
549
00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:04.079
that's a remake.
550
00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:06.759
Yeah yeah, but y'all own that record, owned it.
551
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:10.079
I loved it, lived with it, and I was like,
552
00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:10.680
I gotta do it.
553
00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:13.079
We did the record. That's one of the big ones.
554
00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:16.680
But like I said, I didn't want to overcrowd the
555
00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:18.799
third going into the third album, so I told them
556
00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:20.160
I'm not singing on anything.
557
00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:23.079
I'm not traces up my lipstick. You go into the
558
00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:26.160
studio saying I'm not not saying anything. You weren't gonna
559
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:27.319
sing anything, or you just were sing.
560
00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:30.480
I'm gonnay, I'm not singing lead, you just sing background.
561
00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:37.400
I focused on it. I told Rocky my family not singing.
562
00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:41.039
So every studio we go in, they're like why. The
563
00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:43.960
producers are like, why aren't you singing? And I didn't
564
00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:46.400
want to explain it, so they were like, why is
565
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:50.519
it she singing? And then people would explain it and
566
00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:54.279
they would go, that doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense.
567
00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:57.279
So with the girls Softest Place, I wasn't. I wasn't
568
00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:00.680
on that song. That was not my song. All of
569
00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:03.359
them tried it. Joe at the time, who wrote it.
570
00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:06.880
Joe wrote that song, wrote and produced it. I didn't
571
00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:08.920
even listen to the I didn't want to listen to it.
572
00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:11.559
I got there and we had to do the backgrounds
573
00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:13.519
and he, of course he had the demo version of
574
00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:14.799
him singing and sound amazing.
575
00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:18.559
His voice is Joe is hands down favorite artists.
576
00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:21.359
So I got to golf to just his voice period.
577
00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:23.160
And so we go in and do the background vocals.
578
00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:24.880
So we would sit I was sitting outside waiting on
579
00:25:24.920 --> 00:25:28.039
them to do the vocals for the lead and then
580
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:30.599
he came out. They didn't like it. The next person
581
00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:32.359
went in, he didn't like it, and he was like, gonna
582
00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:34.039
try you. I said, no, I'm not gonna sing on
583
00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:37.279
this song. So there was a whole hour that went
584
00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:40.720
back and forth, and then finally there was a representative
585
00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:43.160
from So So Deaf named Skeeter Rock. He came in
586
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:46.000
and said, Jermaine is unhappy with y'all taking all this
587
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:48.240
time on this one song, you need to go in
588
00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:48.799
and try it.
589
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:52.359
The girls told Rocky and the.
590
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:54.319
Management team that they were ready to go home. He
591
00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:56.279
flew them home, and I stayed up there and I
592
00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:57.160
finished the record.
593
00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:00.440
You bring in the bridge because there's a bridge on
594
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:02.400
the song. This is when when songs used to have
595
00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:05.319
a bridge and a hook. This is the bridge. You
596
00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:08.640
bring the breakdown in. Now you do the breakdown of
597
00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:09.119
the song.
598
00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:10.240
Yeah. Yeah.
599
00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:12.000
And I didn't even know I was pregnant at that time.
600
00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:13.160
I was pregnant with my son.
601
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:14.720
Wow.
602
00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:16.480
Yeah wow.
603
00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:19.039
So it was a lot of emotions when I think
604
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:22.759
about that one record, Softest Place, which now I heard
605
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:24.599
just went platinum.
606
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:26.640
I think because it was all on TikTok again, it
607
00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:29.839
was like a like like it was. It was definitely
608
00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:33.799
hidden viral on so many different reels and tiktoks and stuff.
609
00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:36.680
Isn't that the power and the beauty of music?
610
00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:40.839
Like so many people have these resurgence because you know,
611
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:44.119
now the younger generation is finding these songs. Yeah, and
612
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:47.960
they're finding all this music that you all have such.
613
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:48.680
A great catalog.
614
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:51.559
I mean when you all did the Versus, I just
615
00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:55.880
knew that a new album was gonna come after during
616
00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:59.319
the pandemic you all did the verses. I shout out
617
00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:01.400
to DJ a One, who was your DJ on the
618
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:04.799
on the show, he DJ my forty birthday party because
619
00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:07.599
I saw him on your I'm in a Liverpool.
620
00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:12.200
Yeah. I said, oh, is this Negro cutting up on
621
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:13.640
this here show? Yeah?
622
00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:18.720
DJ one DJ DJ yeah my birthday party because of
623
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:22.039
you all had such a great showing you and s
624
00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:26.079
w V. So it's like to see the dynamic when
625
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:29.079
the show comes out. You all do the reality show
626
00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:32.200
and then for you to say you found out about
627
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:36.279
a tour because Coco and ToJ called you on the phone,
628
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:38.880
it just feels like what happened.
629
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:40.480
I mean I was saying what happened as well.
630
00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:42.720
You got to keep in mind before the verses happened,
631
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:46.240
I was very intentional with making that happen.
632
00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:46.720
You know.
633
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:49.559
I even went on to tell Coco, hey, let's go
634
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:53.400
online and let's have this kind of back and forth.
635
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.559
You know, I seen one of your songs, you seen
636
00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:58.000
one of our songs. Maybe that'll help get the verses.
637
00:27:58.000 --> 00:27:59.680
And I say, then, who knows, we could probably do
638
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:01.880
a tool. So I was always.
639
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:05.359
I don't want to say intuitive with that, but I
640
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:06.359
always felt like that was.
641
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:08.359
You had a vision. You were always a vision.
642
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:10.400
Definitely, And so when I told her, she was like
643
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:12.039
girl and she ended up doing it.
644
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:14.079
I did it, and then after that the verses happened.
645
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:17.279
So immediately the phone started to ring and I was like, Okay,
646
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:19.680
we're getting somewhere. We may one day do a tour,
647
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.759
which ended up leading to a TV show, and normally
648
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:25.559
when you do TV it kind of helps to spearhead
649
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:27.720
a lot of things. And I was excited about the
650
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:29.599
TV show because I was like, Okay, we're finally gonna
651
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.720
do some stuff together the world to see two supergroups
652
00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:35.359
who whether the storm still here thirty years?
653
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:37.559
I think there's a thirty one years. I think that. Yeah,
654
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:39.559
they came out before us, so I was like, who
655
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:40.599
better to do it than us?
656
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:43.680
And then to come to find out that, yeah, no,
657
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:46.519
they didn't. They didn't want me, and I'm like, I
658
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:49.640
spearheaded all this, so I can't be a part of
659
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:52.400
what this is. And the group just nobody was talking
660
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:54.599
to me at that time. Not group members weren't, but
661
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:55.759
the other group members were.
662
00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.680
So this communication riff that started off coming off the
663
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:04.599
second album, you all were kind of lacking communication. Yep,
664
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:09.039
now fuels you guys into this new season of you
665
00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:11.480
guys are still not talking and communicating.
666
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:14.880
Yeah, And then I'll say this, Even in between the breaks,
667
00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:18.200
we did have somebody that was trying to take the
668
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:21.000
bio pic from us, like talk about our story, and
669
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.240
the girls felt like nobody could tell our story, like
670
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:29.240
we can talked about that, and so they were trying
671
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:31.279
to compile all of this information and tell the story
672
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:31.920
about Escape.
673
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:34.799
Nobody knows the story of Escape except Escape.
674
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:37.799
And so I got a call from my sister, she goes, hey,
675
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:40.279
you know, the girls called me. They said, don't talk
676
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:42.720
to nobody. You know, people are trying to get our story.
677
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:45.839
So it brought us together to talk about that. And
678
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:47.640
once we started to talk about that, I was out
679
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:49.519
of town on the West Coast, and then they called
680
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:51.400
me and said that they were on the big ticket
681
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:54.000
show and they said Escape is back together. And I
682
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:57.759
was like, Escape is back together. I knew nothing of it.
683
00:29:58.240 --> 00:29:59.960
I just knew that we didn't like what was happening,
684
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:01.440
but I didn't know we were back together. And so
685
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:03.480
the fans started to weigh in, like, oh my god,
686
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:06.920
the TV show happened. We did Still Kicking It got
687
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:09.839
through that time, we still didn't talk a lot. It
688
00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:13.119
was cameras on Let's Go, and so we still weren't
689
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:15.480
able to talk about, you know, what the problems really were.
690
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:17.400
We kind of touched on a couple of things, and
691
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:19.279
after that we went on tour.
692
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:22.640
But I felt like when I watched that show versus
693
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:26.440
the last reality show you all did, it seemed like
694
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:29.279
there was a split between Candy and Tiny and you
695
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:31.920
and your sister. It kind of felt like the line
696
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:37.400
was kind of between team sisters team team Candy and Tiny,
697
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.640
and then when the new reality show came, it appeared to.
698
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.799
Me, just to me, that you were the outlier at
699
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:46.279
that point.
700
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:51.079
Well, I think when Still Kicking It came on, I
701
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.599
can say for myself that Tiny and I became closer.
702
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.000
We had, you know, we were always the closest ones
703
00:30:57.039 --> 00:30:58.920
anyway in the group, and so we started to talk more,
704
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:02.720
started to spend more time together. I was always there
705
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:04.680
for her, you know, in certain times that she needed
706
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:08.000
and vice versa. So don't I didn't see the two
707
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:12.119
way split. I felt like we started to communicate more,
708
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:17.039
and our husbands, you know, they started to get to
709
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:19.039
get together talk, we had family night. It was a
710
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:21.720
lot of things that were going on, you know, during
711
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.519
that time. But I didn't see that part of it.
712
00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:27.119
But I do know that when things started to escalate
713
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:31.279
for the last show, yes, I was definitely on the out.
714
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:32.640
It was seven women.
715
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:35.640
I just didn't understand how seven women turned into one
716
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:39.359
person being scrutinized and kind of placed.
717
00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:41.880
I was just ostracized to me in that way.
718
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:46.000
I mean I saw one of the interviews and then
719
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:48.200
I've read this and some of the publications that have
720
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.359
come out about this. When the tour was announced and
721
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:53.960
you were trying to figure out what was going on,
722
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:57.359
you had your lawyer to send a letter to the
723
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:00.920
group to see if this was what was this tour?
724
00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:02.160
What was with this tour?
725
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:03.839
Ye did no response.
726
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:07.480
Do you feel like there was some opportunity for you
727
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:10.680
to just pick up the phone and call them or
728
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:12.000
was the lawyer necessary?
729
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:14.640
But then the lawyer was very necessary because you already
730
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:19.680
have dates, you already have your infringement rights on the trademark.
731
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:21.519
It was so many different things that you.
732
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:24.319
Owned the trademark. You owned the trademark of escape.
733
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:28.039
My sister and I Yesah, So at that point it's like,
734
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:29.559
you guys are not talking to me, and you guys
735
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:33.240
are having meetings. Coco was in Atlanta for a meeting
736
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:36.400
that was called for them to have communications to squash
737
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.799
the differences, but I was never called. So she calls
738
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:42.519
me and says, hey, they flew me in. Are you
739
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:45.559
going to be here? And I said, beware, we're having
740
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:49.759
a meeting. They called this big meeting downtown and I
741
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.759
was not invited. And I told her I know nothing
742
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:53.720
of it. So she said me.
743
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:54.400
Find out about it.
744
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:57.799
I'll call you back. She calls me back and says, yeah,
745
00:32:57.799 --> 00:32:59.960
they're trying to do the tour. We squashed the differences.
746
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.000
We all said what it was. I hate that you
747
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:03.559
weren't there. What is going on? I told her, I
748
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:05.160
don't know. She said, they're not talking to you. Still,
749
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:08.119
I mentioned, why aren't y'all talking to don't worry about
750
00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:10.680
this basically our business. So they didn't want to get
751
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:13.519
into why they weren't talking to me. And after that,
752
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:15.680
it's like, okay, I sent a lawyer to make sure
753
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:19.160
that legally, you guys understood that I didn't know anything
754
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:23.119
about the tour. Who was gonna call me? Live Nation
755
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:26.559
was on the letter. Mona me was on the letter.
756
00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:28.799
All the people that were involved were on the letter.
757
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.279
It wasn't to the group to say you know anything?
758
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:32.640
Crazy?
759
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:34.759
Is y'all not telling me nothing? I didn't know nothing
760
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:36.519
about the tour? And then the fans. I never wanted
761
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.079
to disappoint them. It's like, y'all don't know what's really
762
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:42.000
going on. So y'all thinking I'm quitting that I'm adiva
763
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:44.319
that I said, I'm not gonna. I never quit the group.
764
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.559
Never. You have never quit the group. Never quit the
765
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:50.640
group even to this day, never quit the group.
766
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:51.680
You have never quit the group.
767
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:54.119
No, they just choose to move on in the way
768
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:56.920
that they're moving on without me. So yeah, you get
769
00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:59.720
your legal involved. It's not just a conversation anymore. You
770
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.160
guys are doing more than too much.
771
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:06.880
So if given the opportunity, if there's some conversations that
772
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:12.599
happen and communication becomes a thing again, would you sing
773
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:13.400
with the group again?
774
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:16.119
I mean that's the group that I started out singing with, Like,
775
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:19.599
why wouldn't I want to sing? Do you think I'm
776
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:23.320
going through all these lenks to do? What do you
777
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:24.920
get Layi's and you know how much that's a lot
778
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.920
of money get Lauries involved. To just sit back and
779
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:30.239
be like what that I don't want to sing that,
780
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:31.719
I don't want to be on the stage and give
781
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:33.400
the fans what they're used to. That I don't want
782
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:35.880
to see the soundtracks of their lives, what they know
783
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:37.800
because she's unfair.
784
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:41.519
You are a missing link for them on stage for sure.
785
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:42.639
I mean those are my sisters.
786
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.320
Yeah, of the day, like, nobody wants to be kicked
787
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:47.639
out of it a situation that you started, that you created.
788
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:50.400
You don't want to be kicked out. But at the
789
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:52.199
end of the day, it is what it is, you know.
790
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:56.719
I can imagine that has got to be a little hurtful,
791
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:58.559
though a lot hurtful.
792
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.320
You got your sister the group, you got two other
793
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:05.320
girls who you grew up with, and nobody calls. They
794
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:07.000
say they don't have the number. Yes they do.
795
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:10.599
I told you before we got started, because I want
796
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:12.840
everybody to know I did. I went over all of
797
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:14.960
these things are questions with you before we started.
798
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.320
So she is not being like, oh here go Brandon,
799
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:19.480
trying to be no, no, no.
800
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:21.199
We talked about this and that was one of the
801
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:22.880
things that I brought up to you. I was like,
802
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:26.400
I saw the video the and heard your sister called
803
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:29.719
into the Ricky Smiley Morning Show. And we love Ricky Smiley.
804
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.480
He's a great friend of the show over here. She
805
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:35.920
called into the show after you did your Residuals challenge
806
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:40.559
and which was phenomenal. You know, you had great response
807
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:42.239
when you did the residuals challenge.
808
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:43.519
I mean, who.
809
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:45.400
Record exact artist.
810
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:47.719
It's like, you know how people take our music now
811
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:49.719
when sample, I was like, I'm ready to get jump
812
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:51.800
on this now, and it was time for me to
813
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.840
just kind of express myself in a way that I
814
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:56.079
can only express myself with.
815
00:35:56.400 --> 00:36:00.239
I mean, it reached my sister, It reached her.
816
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:02.719
Yeah, you know how many times I've called You wouldn't know.
817
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:05.480
I've called my sister a texter, her birthdays, christ Like,
818
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:08.639
you know, it's two years. Can you imagine not being
819
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:10.559
talking to your sister for two years and we've been
820
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:11.079
like this.
821
00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:14.400
I cannot Latasha, And I told you before we started,
822
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:17.159
I was like the sister piece was it was such
823
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:19.519
a challenge to watch on the reality show. I said,
824
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:21.920
because I am so close with my sister. I have
825
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:24.800
a twin sister. Her name's Carly and she and I
826
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:27.280
talk all day every day, Like literally before you got here,
827
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:29.639
we were on the phone in there talking on the phone.
828
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:31.119
Right, She's like, how'd your first interview go?
829
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.960
We're doing the whole rundown right of the morning, Like
830
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:36.880
literally by nine o'clock. We talked by nine o'clock in
831
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:39.280
the morning. Every morning we talk on the phone. So
832
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:43.159
I couldn't imagine two years of going without talking to
833
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.039
my sister, right, And so I can only know how
834
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:49.199
hurtful that is. And then it gets played out in
835
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:51.840
the media because I told you your sister she called
836
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:55.360
in Yeah, Rickie Smiley morning, she said you you have
837
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:58.719
her number, said she was cooking breakfast right then said
838
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.119
you can pull up any time she misses you. She
839
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:04.159
wants to have the relationship. She just wants to talk
840
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:05.920
and yourself that.
841
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:08.199
That was perfect for me because I've been calling you,
842
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:10.480
so you mean to tell me? Because she said her
843
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:12.320
phone was going off and everybody's like, oh my god,
844
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:13.480
your sister just did the song.
845
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:16.840
So she responded and she said she thought you were
846
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.639
talking to her. She felt like that was like a
847
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:23.159
message to her when she first heard it.
848
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:24.960
Well, when I sing from my heart is a message
849
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:27.880
to anybody just going through, but for sure my sister.
850
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:30.639
I missed her. I'm like, can y'all imagine.
851
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:34.400
And when she said call me pull up, I'm like,
852
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:36.480
I've been calling, said this is perfect. I even went
853
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:38.639
on her page and said, I'm getting ready to call
854
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:41.400
you right now. And the plethora it was so many
855
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:43.760
people like, oh my god, you know, praying hand saying
856
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:47.320
they were so happy. And I called her and she
857
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.480
was like, I'm busy, I'll call you back. I'm doing
858
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.039
an interview, I'm doing this. And I was like, okay,
859
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:54.880
I'm gonna wait, I'll called her again. She didn't answer,
860
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:57.239
and then she ended up calling me back. So we
861
00:37:57.280 --> 00:37:59.960
had a very quick conversation. I told her I loved her,
862
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.719
told her I missed her, and it's just that's what
863
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:03.119
it was.
864
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:05.840
And how long ago was that?
865
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:07.119
Uh?
866
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:10.599
It was the when was the Rickie Smiley show? It
867
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:11.239
was the same day.
868
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:14.519
Okay, so this is just a couple months ago. Yeah,
869
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:17.639
so this is probably like March maybe, yeah, maybe March.
870
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:18.400
Yeah.
871
00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:21.719
I mean, what's so, what's so interesting is that you
872
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:23.239
both are saying the same thing.
873
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:25.039
I know, I want to talk to her.
874
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:26.639
I want to talk to her, to talk to her
875
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:31.159
and yet somehow and you guys are but it's.
876
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:32.719
Never the conversation.
877
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:35.480
I even told her I would love to just us
878
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:37.679
pull up, just to sit down and talk. And we
879
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:39.400
kind of laughed about it because she knows I don't drive.
880
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:41.400
On that part, we did laugh about it. I was like, listen,
881
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:43.400
you know I don't eat no meat. You know, I
882
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:45.000
ain't trying to go to no restaurant so people can
883
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:46.639
hear where we're gonna go, you know. And I was like,
884
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:48.679
and you know, I don't drive far. And I was like,
885
00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:51.119
I'm stilling on my Patty LaBelle. And she laughed a
886
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:52.679
little bit. She was like, you still don't drive far.
887
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:53.000
You know.
888
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:56.679
It was that, But just hearing her voice and talking
889
00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:57.800
to her was cool.
890
00:38:58.159 --> 00:38:58.320
You know.
891
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.400
It's it's like, Okay, after two years, I found heard
892
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:03.199
her voice, not the world, not the critics, like all
893
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:05.320
these people on our situation.
894
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.119
Yeah. Yeah.
895
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:10.639
You said in one of your most recent interviews that
896
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:13.079
you've made some mistakes as a big sister. What do
897
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:14.679
you think some of those mistakes have been?
898
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:19.880
She had a big voice, my still said, a big,
899
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.119
big voice, and it was times when she would just
900
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:27.920
yell and scream out and I'm like, calm down. Maybe
901
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.320
I should have just let her get it out, you know,
902
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:31.119
maybe I should just.
903
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:35.000
See emotions emotions. Even when we were dealing with Jermaine,
904
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:36.000
she told me some things.
905
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:37.599
She's like, you know, it made her feel a way
906
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.519
that I was when I got in the studio. Jermaine
907
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.960
was more like into me singing, but with her it
908
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:48.320
made her feel like she couldn't sing or you know,
909
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:51.320
she just didn't have that voice. And maybe I should
910
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:52.840
have said, Jermaine, this is how she feels. But I
911
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:54.800
never said it to Jamain. I just pulled her in,
912
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:58.519
you're gonna sing this. I didn't go off on Jamaina.
913
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:00.079
It's like he was giving us an opportunity. So so
914
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:03.119
how dare I go talk to him about my sister
915
00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:05.000
and her not feel in a certain way. So I
916
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:07.320
just kind of poured her in on that way. I
917
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.840
never put them in a room and say, hey, tell
918
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:11.639
him how you feel, you know.
919
00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:13.599
And that may have been a layer for her too.
920
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:15.639
It's like every time I go somewhere, Tasha's the one singing,
921
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:17.360
she's the one writing the songs, and I go in.
922
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:19.519
The studio and it's like, you guys are saying I.
923
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:21.000
Take forever and you don't want me to sing, so
924
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:23.119
that could be a lot to do with it as well.
925
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:26.280
And then be me being the oldest sister and every time,
926
00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:27.920
you know, we would go somewhere else. She's the oldest
927
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.159
And I don't know, but do you.
928
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:32.679
Think that's a mistake? Would you look at that as
929
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:35.440
a mistake if I had to say so?
930
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:37.800
You know, cause normally when you are a big sister
931
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.239
or a person who could kind of mend the fence,
932
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:45.039
and you don't mend the fence, it does probably look
933
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.880
crazy to the person who's coming to you saying these things.
934
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:49.880
And I maybe I did it in a way that
935
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:52.559
I only knew to do it and not the way
936
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:53.880
that she needed it to be done.
937
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:57.960
You know, Yeah, what are you willing to do in
938
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.719
this season to build a bridge for you and your sister?
939
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:06.519
Keep telling our lover, keep on being a pest, but
940
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:11.679
also letting her know that family is important because nobody's
941
00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:15.400
winning when we're doing this, that my nieces, nobody's winning.
942
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:16.519
Yeah.
943
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:20.840
Yeah, there's so much time, right, you said two years right, two.
944
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:23.840
Years went Bible. When you look at life though, on
945
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:25.280
this side, is less time?
946
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:30.880
Yeah, And that that's a challenge though, you know, to
947
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:34.239
work through because now you're writing new music.
948
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:36.239
Yep, excuse me.
949
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:47.079
Yeah, it's a lot to take care of them, for sure,
950
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:50.159
because I know it's hard to talk about because you
951
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:51.360
love your sisters so much.
952
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:54.599
Yeah, you love them, but at the same time, you
953
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:58.320
want everybody to understand this is family and everybody's weighing
954
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:00.800
on things that you know nothing of. You don't know
955
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:02.440
what we went through in the industry. You don't know
956
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:04.360
what I've had to go through. You don't know what
957
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:06.920
I've said to her and how we've had to come
958
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.360
together as sisters at the end of the day. So
959
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:11.880
now it's just a bad space. That's all, just a
960
00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:12.679
really bad space.
961
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.559
Yeah. Yeah, what would you give to get it back?
962
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:20.400
Time?
963
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:26.840
Love conversation, blocking everybody else out. I don't care about
964
00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:28.679
what nobody else is saying, just as long as she
965
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:30.960
and I, like you said, I'm up talking to my
966
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:31.840
sister in the morning.
967
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:33.519
That that right there?
968
00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:37.039
Yeah yeah, yeah, it's got to feel like I'm missing
969
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:38.199
puzzle for you for sure.
970
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:38.800
Yeah.
971
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:46.119
Our whole lives together, we talk about in tandem. Come on, yeah, yeah.
972
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:49.360
How is this kind of trickled into your other relationships?
973
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:53.000
Because you've had a very public your marriage has been
974
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:53.679
very public.
975
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:56.000
All the things have been public for your life.
976
00:42:56.840 --> 00:42:59.320
So how is this played into some of the other
977
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:00.679
relationships in your life?
978
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:10.599
I'm very guarded. Trust is you gotta really really earn trust.
979
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:11.159
You can't.
980
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:13.400
There's no like I said before about friendship, are you
981
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.440
really a friend? You come in to find out what
982
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:18.800
my mental was that you come in to find out
983
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:21.199
what I'm going through so you can go take it
984
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:25.239
back to talk, you know. So trust is not something
985
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:29.119
that you know, it's you really got to show improve,
986
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.960
you know. Yeah, because I'm a show improve I'm gonna
987
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:35.800
always be there. I'm that person because I know people
988
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:37.960
they ask me even today, well, you know, and all
989
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:39.679
the stuff they did to you, and they said these
990
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:41.880
things to you, Why don't you just tell all their dirty,
991
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:44.920
nasty secrets, like you know everybody's business, and I do.
992
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:47.000
But what does that do for me?
993
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:47.840
Yeah?
994
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:48.840
Not that?
995
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:53.199
Yeah, what do you think? What do you think this
996
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:56.079
season is teaching you? With all these different ebbs and
997
00:43:56.119 --> 00:44:01.719
flows and trials and tribulations and relationship upsets and devastations
998
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.880
and betrayals, what is the season teaching you?
999
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:06.039
Ah?
1000
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:12.440
Faith, holding on to it, knowing that at the end
1001
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:14.480
of the day, it's about the relationship that I have
1002
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:20.079
with the creator with the most high resilience. Just because
1003
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.440
somebody tells you no, it does not mean that that
1004
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:27.760
is the end result for you. And also being a
1005
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:29.880
light because like I said before, you go through these
1006
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:33.559
things in life. You can neither bend and break or
1007
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:38.159
you can stand up, get through it, persevere, be that light,
1008
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:43.679
help somebody inspire, keep moving, keep proving, you know, show
1009
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:47.199
and prove. Be there for your family so they can know.
1010
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:49.960
Oh no, You're gonna have rough, rough patches in life.
1011
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.119
Adversity is gonna always hit you. But that's how you
1012
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:54.719
weather the storm, how you get through it. You know
1013
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:58.400
that makes you the person that you are. So strength
1014
00:44:58.480 --> 00:44:59.239
at the end of the day.
1015
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:01.880
Yes, teaching you strength is teaching you faith.
1016
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:06.039
Yeah, you're writing a new album, Yes, right now, I
1017
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:06.360
have to.
1018
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:08.360
That's my therapy. You know.
1019
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:11.519
I could talk about eight things all day, but until
1020
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:14.719
I write them down and I get in the studio
1021
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:19.880
and just convey that emotional side of me, it never
1022
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:23.320
feels I literally just did a song called Love Changes,
1023
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:26.480
and it's just about the transformative power of love and
1024
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:30.320
how it heals and how it inspires and how there's
1025
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:32.320
a journey that goes along with it and we just
1026
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:35.239
have to embrace that journey. And so I allowed some
1027
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:37.559
people to hear it and when I tell you, the.
1028
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:42.440
Guys were crying, guys wow, And.
1029
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:45.320
I'm just like, it was like, oh my god, this
1030
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:46.960
song it does something to me.
1031
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:50.440
I have some people who that heard it for the first.
1032
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:53.199
Time and they made me teary out and I'm like,
1033
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:54.920
I just got out of the studio singing a song.
1034
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.320
So so that's what what I have to do.
1035
00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:59.119
I have to continue to allow my music to be
1036
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:03.119
therapy from myself and to just be my voice still.
1037
00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:05.480
Yeah, because it needs to be heard. It needs to
1038
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:05.880
be said.
1039
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:09.239
Everybody's going through Nothing is perfect, No one is perfect.
1040
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:11.519
We go through things in life. It's just how you
1041
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:15.719
weather the storm. Yeah, and then having good people, you know,
1042
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:18.400
my grandmother and my aunties who I can call on
1043
00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:21.519
her and say, listen, this is a lot. Come over here, girl,
1044
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:24.480
let's talk. Let's eat, let's let's talk about whatever it is. Well,
1045
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:25.519
let's let's not talk.
1046
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:27.400
Yeah, let's just be.
1047
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:27.960
Let's be.
1048
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:33.360
Weathering the storm and kind of finding and navigating your
1049
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:36.119
way through it. You just said music has been that
1050
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:41.920
therapy and writing has been a therapy. Has therapy been
1051
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:43.079
a part of the journey.
1052
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:47.599
Oh, yes, I've gone on a sabbatical talk to some people. Yeah,
1053
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:51.000
spent time with myself to learn to love me again,
1054
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:54.800
and not so much as the industry or what I
1055
00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:56.920
felt like people needed to hear from me. Is like,
1056
00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:00.639
I learned to love Tashi again. How did you do
1057
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:04.119
things that I like fishing? And I started to you know,
1058
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:07.920
read more books and spend time with my son, you know,
1059
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:09.920
be in his life more.
1060
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:12.880
Yeah. Yeah, has that been challenging?
1061
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:14.880
He travels a lot.
1062
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:17.679
He plays basketball for me, Yes, Because when you're on
1063
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:20.159
the movie, you're trying to create, you know, new things,
1064
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:23.400
You're always doing this, but it's okay to be still.
1065
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:24.440
Yeah.
1066
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:29.320
I got more clarity by being still. Yeah, much much.
1067
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:31.119
More than I would have just jumping on the road,
1068
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:34.639
getting the microphone, doing this, getting the wardrobe together, making
1069
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:37.000
sure the makeup and the hair is right at the
1070
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:37.639
end of the day.
1071
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:39.280
Are you right, yeah?
1072
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:42.199
Is what the inner was saying. Are you right?
1073
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:44.760
Because I'm sure it's probably been easy to fall into
1074
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:48.559
that over the years of just jumping on tour getting
1075
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:50.719
into a new thing. Let me go, let's go record
1076
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:53.840
a new album. I'm sure that's probably been an easy
1077
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:54.760
way to fall into.
1078
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.280
Yes, yeah, but when you don't have those things, can't
1079
00:47:57.320 --> 00:47:59.199
go on tour. They don't want you on the tour.
1080
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:01.880
Now what you're gonna do, Tasha, Yeah, you can't go
1081
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:06.000
saying with what you created, now what you're gonna You're
1082
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:06.840
gonna end your life.
1083
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:08.760
You're gonna lay down and die.
1084
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:12.519
Yeah, you have to find new ways, have to have
1085
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.840
to live. Yeah, this a gift that God has given us.
1086
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:18.599
How dare me say, oh, that's the end.
1087
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:20.840
No, it's not the end.
1088
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:22.480
It's not the end.
1089
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:27.440
No, the residuals challenge you said there was your marriage
1090
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:29.800
was ended, and then you came back and said that
1091
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:30.320
it's not.
1092
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:36.280
Ended, separated, it'esn't mean ended, And everybody said divorce.
1093
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:39.119
I never said that. That's why you hear Tasha. We're
1094
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:41.199
gonna get the clarity, but I never said that.
1095
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:43.440
I think too, when I talk about thirty years, is
1096
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:46.480
the group as well as my relationship. That's a long
1097
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:49.039
time to be with somebody. To me, the group was
1098
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:50.000
just as much as a marriage.
1099
00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:52.639
It's absolutely I totally see that.
1100
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:54.880
So me writing for my heart and speaking that way.
1101
00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:56.679
And you got to keep in mind this was two
1102
00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:59.880
years ago, so I've held on to these things. Things
1103
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:03.159
happened after two years. I've gotten counseling, and we've gone
1104
00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:06.239
through marriage. So there have been things that have happened
1105
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:08.719
that people don't know about. So what I'm writing doesn't
1106
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:11.559
mean is right now. That means I've gone through it.
1107
00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:14.079
And these are the feelings that I've had this inside
1108
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:16.159
that I haven't been able I haven't been able to sing. Yeah,
1109
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:18.119
So this is me being able to write and say
1110
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:19.280
this is what I'm feeling like.
1111
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:22.719
I think it was so interesting is for people when
1112
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:26.000
they when they talk about people and their marriages, right,
1113
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:30.320
you kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't. Right,
1114
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:33.639
they damn you if you stay. Yeah, and then they
1115
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:37.000
condemn you if you Yeah. But you have to be happy,
1116
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:38.320
that's the thing.
1117
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:38.920
Yeah.
1118
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:40.800
If you're happy and you guys have.
1119
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:45.039
You're comfortable, and you know each other and you know
1120
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:48.159
what you like and what you don't like, that's your union.
1121
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:50.679
That's your situation. Nobody else is. Because when the lights
1122
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:52.400
go off and you're in the room by yourself, it's
1123
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:55.000
just the two of you or you by yourself.
1124
00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:56.159
Yeah, and you.
1125
00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:58.440
Still have to be comfortable with that, whatever decision that
1126
00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:00.519
you make. And I've never made my decisions on people.
1127
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:04.960
Never anything I've ever, I've always had to go to God.
1128
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:08.519
I've always felt that thing inside. I've never had to say.
1129
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:10.880
Well, what do you think about this? Same what do
1130
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:11.559
you think about that?
1131
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:13.559
Moving through the industry, I didn't have time to ask
1132
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:16.639
somebody what did they think anyway? So that to me,
1133
00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:20.199
I don't care. You know when people did you read
1134
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:20.519
the comment?
1135
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:24.280
I don't. Don't somebody have to tell me, oh, somebody
1136
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:26.599
said that. Really, that's what they said.
1137
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:28.400
Like you just said something earlier. I'm like, that's what
1138
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:32.079
they said. Yeah, they know it, But that's just me.
1139
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:34.360
I don't care about that. You know, I never lived
1140
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:36.679
my life, even being the big girl, I didn't. Can
1141
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:41.000
you imagine if I would have read the comments?
1142
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:41.880
Right?
1143
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.000
So I didn't come from that era. I come from
1144
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:48.159
an era of really having to go through it. You know,
1145
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:50.719
we came it wasn't no internet. We had to get
1146
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:53.760
them in buses and go to cities and stand up
1147
00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:56.559
and sing and actually allow people to hear what we
1148
00:50:56.599 --> 00:50:58.039
had to say and if they didn't like you, then
1149
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:00.920
you're out, you know. So we had to the chipmin circuit.
1150
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:03.280
We were always on the road. Never have the oh
1151
00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:05.119
we're gonna go on Instagram and set this camera up
1152
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.440
real quick, right and get on here and sing a
1153
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:08.000
couple of songs.
1154
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:08.960
No, it was never that.
1155
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:13.159
So I don't ask people's opinion now if I if
1156
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:15.400
I do as a pastor, like go get you know,
1157
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:19.199
spiritual advice, and that's for me internal.
1158
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:21.280
It's not for the world to weigh in on.
1159
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:25.559
Yeah, I mean, thirty years in marriage and partnership.
1160
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:28.320
What does it taugh to you about yourself.
1161
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:33.119
That I'm stronger than I thought I was. Your marriage
1162
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:33.719
ain't for the week.
1163
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:37.039
No, it's not for the week, Tasha. I think that's
1164
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:38.079
probably why I haven't done it.
1165
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:44.599
You know what I'm saying, is that right. I've watched enough.
1166
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:46.760
I've seen I've seen quite a few. I think I
1167
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:50.880
have some trepidations. I will, I will be very honest
1168
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:54.039
about it. There's quite a few trepidations about it.
1169
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:56.960
Yeah, okay, And I'm sure at the end of the day,
1170
00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:59.360
you could talk to your sister, you call her anybody else.
1171
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:02.480
Listen, she she's coming up on ten years. She'll be
1172
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:06.119
married ten years this year, and so I see that.
1173
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:09.079
It's it's not easy.
1174
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:12.840
Nothing that I've ever done has been. Yeah, the industry,
1175
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:15.599
my mom and dad splitting up, it was a lot.
1176
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:18.760
So for a person like me, I'm not easily swayed.
1177
00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:23.079
I work for what I have, always have. I don't
1178
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:26.039
care what it is business. Me being a songwriter, I'm
1179
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:29.119
getting getting better. Everybody gotta keep going. Yeah, me being
1180
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:32.039
a sister or a aunt or mother, I'm working at
1181
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:32.679
it every day.
1182
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:34.159
A daughter, I'm working on it.
1183
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:34.719
Yeah.
1184
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:37.280
So I'm never gonna give up on things that I love.
1185
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:40.400
That's that's first. I don't care what anybody says.
1186
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:42.360
Yeah, you're never going to give up on the things
1187
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:42.760
that you love.
1188
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:45.239
I didn't even give up on this gate. They gave
1189
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:47.559
up on me. So yeah, no, it's not.
1190
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:48.559
That I mean.
1191
00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:51.440
In this season, though, I think the audience is like,
1192
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:57.079
is if this communication comes we almost in the in
1193
00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:00.679
the in the we almost halfway in twenty twenty five,
1194
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:05.960
if the Lord works, come on, Lord, come on, come on, look,
1195
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:10.719
come on, I said, don't give me no singing to listen.
1196
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:16.039
If there's a miracle that happens and some communication lines.
1197
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:18.559
EMC, I come back.
1198
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:19.440
From the dead. Listen.
1199
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:24.199
Wow, okay, MC, I come back. Listen.
1200
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:27.239
You would get on that stage again with those girls
1201
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:27.639
and sing.
1202
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:31.519
Do the fans want me back out? Do the girls
1203
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:34.719
want me back out? That's the question, not do I
1204
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:37.039
want to sing? Everybody knows that I don't send lawyers
1205
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.719
letters from lawyers to sit on the sideline.
1206
00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:40.880
Don't.
1207
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:43.960
But the communication has to be there, and we all
1208
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:46.679
have to be transparent one another, you know, because the
1209
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:48.760
love isn't lost. I just hate what has been done
1210
00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:52.000
to me. Yeah, you know, seven girls on that road,
1211
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:56.039
and I spearheaded the whole verses to look to bring
1212
00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:58.239
the tour of life to not be a part of it.
1213
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:01.119
That's that's hurtful. That's a lot of different things.
1214
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:04.920
But in life sometimes I do believe as well that
1215
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:08.960
the rejection is a new direction that God has for
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you as well. And you don't want to think about
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it like that, especially when you keep going and it's
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like the walls the doors keep closing. I don't want
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to let that be the last chapter.
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For my life.
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Yeah, you know, I don't want people to say, oh,
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you know, it's good to escape. No, it's no Tasha. Still,
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I'm still gonna sing. Even if they don't, I'm still
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gonna sing this. This is what I was born to do.
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This is an assignment that I have on my life
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that I can I didn't give myself this gift. God did,
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and I would be remiss if I didn't use the gift.
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I couldn't do that. I couldn't sit on the gift.
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And then the words of Whitney Houston, I have to sing.
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I gotta sing on them.
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Yeah, you gotta sing. As we begin to close out,
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one word you're committed to in the season of your life,
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one word.
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M one word that.
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I'm committed to in this season in my life. I
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would have said myself, but I've already I'm good with that.
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My family.
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Family, why, I.
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Mean, that's everything, everything, at the beginning and the end
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of the day, because that's all you got. You wake
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up to yours and you go to sleep to yours.
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It's a blessing that God has given us.
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So yeah, family, this season, you and your sister, this
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commitment to family, that means you and your sister.
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Is on y'all on the clock now, I mean we've
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been on the clock.
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Now, how we approach the situation. It's totally up to us,
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you know. And it's not like I said, it's not
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for the world A weag in on them. You guys
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can have your comments.
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I don't care. I don't read them. I don't if
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I hear him, if somebody else tells me. But I
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don't care about him.
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I care about my family and in this season, yes,
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I'm gonna do my part.
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Always have.
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Yeah.
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Family, what's that as we close out? What's the song
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that encapsulates family?
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Family? Family?
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That's not in my range? Tasha, I can bring it down.
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I can bring it down to the alto to the bottom.
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Oh my god, really my range. I got all my
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sisters and me. Hey, we are family. See she's doing
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too much harmony.
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Can't you can't sing?
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You listen? That's all I got, Tasha. Don't try to
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get no more.
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You got be a clip. They're gonna cut a clip
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on the internet for my God. That's okay.
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Bald and Powers talks another good one, Natasha. Thank you
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for coming to share your truth with me today. I
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am so grateful. Thank you for being so vulnerable. I
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think this is probably the most vulnerable I've seen. You
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really in your interviews thus.
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Far, you make it comfortable. Its sister is talking and
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you understand what that is. You have sisters of your own,
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and you know that that's a very sacred place.
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Yeah.
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So I appreciate you for just this time and using
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this platform in this way. It's so many platforms that
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have been used to demise, you know, demolition for the
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group and myself, but this one I feel comfortable with.
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So thank you.
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You are so welcome. I'm so glad I can handle
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people with care. You guys, I'm so glad God can
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trust me in this season. It's a big one. I
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don't take it for granted, y'all. Thank you Latasha for
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joining me today Vaudempower's Talks. Share this with somebody who
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needs a bridge to bring their family together in this
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season of their life.
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Until next time, I'm your girl.
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Brandy Harvey, eat well, give a damn move your body
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every single day.
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Body peace. Yes,