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Hey everybody, welcome back to Unsung Murder Ballads.
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This is episode 183.
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I am Janice Dead.
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And I'm Joyce Dead.
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All right.
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So last week we did part one of what's going to be three parts of our uh suspicious death surrounding Jeffrey Epstein case.
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So and I'm traumatized and I'm pissed off.
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And we're just going to get more traumatized and pissed off.
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I know it's not going to get any better, and that's the worst part.
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You know?
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I'm mentally prepared for that.
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I'm not expecting it to get any better.
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There's a coup, I mean, there's obviously a few more that are pretty pretty bad, but like I think Virginia Geffray's story is the worst of them.
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You know?
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So we've already covered that one, and we will mention her again because as she was an ongoing victim of and recruiter for Epstein, she will keep showing up here and there.
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Which is such a shitty situation.
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Very awful.
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I mean, I don't know what it's like to be in the situation they were in, but I mean she she was something was good enough for her to be an active recruiter.
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Or she was in enough danger.
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Or something.
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Yeah.
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It's weird.
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Because he felt that's what she had to do.
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It's weird.
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And it's hard to wrap my head around as someone who I don't know.
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I I speak my mind way too easily, I think.
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So Right.
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But you know, it's one of those things where, you know, maybe she was trying to justify to herself that she could survive it.
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Um justify to herself, like why she couldn't get herself out.
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I don't know.
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Not that any of it's okay, and I wouldn't excuse any of it, but that's just it.
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I don't excuse any of her behavior, but I can understand from the point of view of someone being victimized.
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Yeah.
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Cult victims often end up recruiting for the cult.
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Very, very true.
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So this is somewhat of a cult, I would say.
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I agree.
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So once again, we're diving back into some people.
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We're gonna just kind of keep going person to person, telling their life story, what happened, how they passed, and why it's suspicious around everything that's been going on.
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And some of them, I I I know I'm gonna say this now because I know I can hear it when we get there.
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Some of them, the actual death itself is certainly not um directly linked, but it's weird in totality.
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay.
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So with that said, the next person we're gonna be talking about is Lee Skypatrick.
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So Lee Skypatrick was born in 1988 in Fort Worth, Florida, working into a working class family where she grew up alongside her identical twin sister, Selby Patrick.
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Which is pretty cool.
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I've always wished I had a teen a twin.
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That'd be cool.
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Two of you?
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No, thank you.
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Fair, fair.
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As a teenager, as a teenager, she attended Wellington Christian School from which she graduated, but she was known amongst her friends and family as sort of a wild child who began drinking alcohol at an underage, often making impulsive decisions influenced by peer pressure and adolescent rebellion.
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Which normal teenager?
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I was gonna say, who doesn't?
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You know, it depends on how far we're taking it.
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I mean, I was pretty extreme, and luckily I wasn't influenced by alcohol.
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So thank goodness of that.
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Right.
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Her family described Lee as having had a close-knit sibling bond with her twin Selby, who later became a bank supervisor and would play a pivotal role in caring for Lee's child after her death.
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Lee's association with Epstein began in 2003 when she was just 16 years old, during a period of um youthful curiosity, we'll say.
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That year in 2003, while attending a party at a friend's house in in Palm Beach, which is the city that Epstein lived in, um, another acquaintance of hers suggested that they go over to what was described as an exclusive house party.
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Oh.
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However, Lee found herself alone in Epstein's mansion, and her friend just abruptly left.
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That's fucked up.
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Yeah.
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I'm not a fucking friend.
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Well, I understand that Virginia Geffray was not the only person that he was using to recruit other young girls.
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Right.
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It could have been, you know, that could have been one of her friends being used.
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Yeah, definitely.
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So it's fucked up.
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Now Epstein comes out wearing only a towel.
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Gross.
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And along with him is a woman who is very obviously Gollaine Maxwell, who introduces herself to the girls or tells the girls that they meet that her name is Jillian.
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And basically they start recruiting Lee in and lure her in and other friends of hers as well, with the promise of this glamorous life that they could have, as well as modeling opportunities.
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Which, of course, for any teenage girl, walking around a mansion that has to be quite the pitch.
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Just since I mean, even as a you know, grown woman.
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Yeah.
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Walking around, like you could I mean, not like a grown woman, like of like me at 30 years old, but like as a younger woman, walking me around a mansion.
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I'm like, ooh, wow, this is kind of cool.
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Like, what do you want me to do to live here?
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Oh, oh, just model, no problem.
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Except that the guy's walking around in a towel.
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Yeah, I mean that part, but pre prefrontal cortex development, then yeah.
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Yeah, it's true.
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Well, during that first visit, Epstein offered Lee$300 to give him a massage and to remove her shirt while doing so.
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But the situation escalated because he grew aggressive and demanded that she remove her bra.
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Now, when she refused, Epstein, according to her, Epstein even tried to rip it off of her himself, which prompted Lee to flee in absolute terror.
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However, despite how traumatic that first encounter with him was, Lee was tempted by money and for the potential future opportunities.
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And she returned to Epstein's mansion multiple times over the following year where she endured repeated assaults by Epstein.
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Now Lee would end up visiting the Palm Beach resident many residence many times, and each instance deepened the psychological scars that her family would later link directly to the onset of her addictions.
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That's what I mean.
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So even though their deaths might not be a direct link, it's very much the causality.
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You know, it may not be murder, but Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So years later, Lee and her and a friend of hers received fifty thousand dollars each from Epstein.
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And this is a Wow.
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Yeah, it's crazy.
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And this sort of provided like a relief, which fueled Lee's downward spiral as it enabled her to access more of her vices.
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So Lee did escape from Epstein and Maxwell, and she attempted to start a new life.
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By her early twenties, away from them, she became a mother to a son, a son that she gave birth to named Jaden in 2012.
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And she adored him despite her own personal struggles.
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In 2015, at the age of 27, she got engaged to Jaden's father and expressed opp expressed optimism about her future, having recently completed rehab and was applying for jobs in the insurance market while at the same time celebrating three years of sobriety.
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That's awesome.
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Three years is incredible.
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Yeah, that's no that's no easy feat.
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I mean, I can't even give up potato chips for three months, let alone three years.
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And that's just a potato chip.
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For real.
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However, Lee's Lee's life continued to be marred by legal troubles stemming from battles, uh, stemming from her battles with her addictions.
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And she was arrested twelve times between tw 2004 and 2017 for offenses of possession, domestic battery, resisting arrest, and battery on an officer.
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Oof.
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Yeah.
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Now most of the most of the time these incidents revolved around her desperate attempts to see her son Jaden, who was eventually taken away from her and kept with his father because of her behavior.
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Oh, that's sad.
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And at one point, Jaden was placed in the care of her sister Selby's custody due to her addictions.
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And then Lee was found dead on May 30th, 2017, while when the cleaning staff at a the treetops motel in West Palm Beach, Florida, had to force their way into her room after receiving no response from the occupant.
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In that dark hotel room, the hotel staff found Lee's nude body lying still, partially covered by a sheet on the bed.
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Just shy of her 30th birthday by a week, she was found dead.
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And the authorities were called and they and obviously they do their examinations, and they noted that her body was covered in bruises, abrasions, open wounds, and sores at the time of her death.
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Suggesting obviously physical distress, beatings, conflicts, whatever it may have been leading to her death.
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Right.
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Now, the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office investigation revealed that a man who had rented the room for her had picked Lee up earlier that evening, and that and he said that she appeared beaten and under the influence of something when he brought brought her to that motel.
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And that he he said he witnessed her use dangerous drugs.
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And I guess a like an autopsy report would show if they were fresh bruises or old bruises.
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Well, they're very vague about it.
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The anonymous individual, the guy, claimed that he later on that night had flushed some of her remaining drugs and a pipe down the toilet.
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A pipe down the toilet?
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I don't think so.
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I'm assuming he breaks it, you know.
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I guess.
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Sure.
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But he left her there, assuming that she would sober up and recover.
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And then, of course, she's found unresponsive the next day.
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So this autopsy that they did came back.
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Um they did the autopsy, and it came back with a toxicology analysis that determined her cause of death was an accidental overdose, attributing it broadly to the ongoing opiate crisis at the time.
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Yeah.
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So sad.
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Now, this tragic end came nearly two weeks after her most recent relapse from jail, where she had served a 17-day sentence for trespassing trying to see her son.
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Oh, it's just it's just so sad.
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Yeah.
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You can just imagine, like, she's no longer like kind of on this mortal plane with the rest of us, and it's just living in misery where she just wants to see her son, but she's probably really not a safe person for her son to be around.
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And if her own twin sister isn't allowing her to, there's your answer.
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Yeah.
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Ugh.
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Yeah.
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Now her sister Selby did say she has repeatedly asserted that her sister's downward spiral began immediately after Epstein, stating, quote, My sister suffered tremendously, and it started with Epstein.
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Something happened in her when she met him that got her out of control.
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Unquote.
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Ugh.
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So again, that that's not it's not a murder, but it might as well have been.
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Right.
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And for trauma directly is a huge predictor for addiction.
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Right.
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And for all we know, because 2017, we're talking about that's around, you know, the time he was arrested.
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So for all we know, someone could have gone in there and fed her those drugs.
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We don't know.
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Right.
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I mean, um that's a bit more extreme, I think, but it's not Or it could have been that seeing him in the news triggered her in.
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Brought it all back.
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Entirely possible.
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She was seeking solace.
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Yep.
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It's fucking crazy.
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Mm-hmm.
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So the next death we're going to talk about is Alfredo Rodriguez.
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Now, Alfredo Rodriguez was born in Bolivia and immigrated to the U.S.
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where he built a successful career as a house manager for affluent clients in South Florida.
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Rodriguez was described by his family as an honest, caring individual who served as a moral anchor for those around him, often prioritizing their well-being over his own.
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So like a father.
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Prior to his involvement with Epstein, Alfredo managed estates for other wealthy individuals, honing his skills in discretion and efficiency that made him a trusted employee in certain elite circles.
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His professional reputation was one of reliability, and he had no prior criminal record or indications of personal turmoil until the events surrounding Epstein.
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While he worked for Epstein, Alfredo worked and lived at Epstein's Palm Beach estate.
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Members emphasized that Alfredo's life had been exemplary up until that point.
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Family members, sorry.
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Marked by his dedication to his loved one and his loved ones and his strong work ethic.
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But something changed fairly quickly once he started living and working in Epstein's house.
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Yeah, that'll fuck you right up.
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And not only that, for all we know, he was fed a supply of drugs as well.
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100%.
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So working this job, Alfredo's duties included cleaning Epstein's bedroom after massages.
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Oh, yep.
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Oh, it sucked.
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And he was routinely disposing of and cleaning up items that were left behind, and he would assume, presumably, observe teenagers lounging around the pool and walking around the house.
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Yeah, there's no way he doesn't know what the fuck's going on there.
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Exactly.
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He witnessed Epstein viewing images of minors on his home computers and even engaging in contact with them, details he would later document in a personal journal, which he called, he himself called the Holy Grail.
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Huh.
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Well, clearly the people he's telling that he's told about this journal that he's calling the Holy Grail, he clearly already has his own blackmail in his in the back of his mind.
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That's for certain.
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So this journal chronicled the full scope of Epstein's exploitations and included lists of victims and high-profile contacts such as Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Mick Jagger, Barbara Walters, Henry Kissinger, and even members of the Kennedy family.
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The only one on that list that surprises me is Barbara Walter.
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I don't even know who that is.
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She was a famous news reporter back in the day.
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Like nationally famous.
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Yeah, like the name rings a bell, but I'm like, I couldn't tell you who that is.
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Yeah.
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So Alfredo also maintained a copy of Epstein's infamous black book, which contained phone numbers of dozens of young women allegedly assaulted by him and his by Epstein and his associates.
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Ooh.
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In January of 2007, during the FBI's grand jury investigation into Epstein, Alfredo was interviewed, but failed to disclose the existence of this material despite being asked to produce any relevant evidence.
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That's fucked up.
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Yeah, he's he doesn't I don't think I think he's thinking no one's gonna go really go down, and he's looking at his like golden egg over here.
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Frady's just like waiting for the right time or something, or he's hoping to get more through blackmail than he could through legal prosecutions, yeah.
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And he's still got a paycheck to worry about.
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Yeah.
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So by late July and August of 2009, fearing for his safety, Alfredo contacted an attorney representing Epstein's victims and attempted to sell the copy of Epstein's black book and his journal for$50,000.
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So it's kind of fucked up to sell it.
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Right?
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It's so weird.
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But I mean, again, he's definitely spiraled out of the whole I'm a good father thing, and now he wants the money.
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He's probably already jacked it up in his head that he was going to make this money at some point anyway.
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Mm-hmm.
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So now he's desperate to get it because he thinks maybe he thinks Epstein's going down for good this time.
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Mm-hmm.
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So it's fucked up.
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Getting his last paycheck before the source is gone.
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Exactly.
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Kind of fucked, yeah.
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And of course, he viewed that those journals, the journal and the black book, as like an insurance policy against Epstein's threats, which according to him, Epstein Epstein told him that he can make him disappear.
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And yeah, he was telling the truth, he can.
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Well, exactly, because Epstein, uh I'm sorry, Alfredo's widow later revealed that he knew intimate details about figures like former Prince Andrew and people like that.
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Mm-hmm.
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So Alfredo served approximately 13 months of an 18-month sentence in federal prison for obstruction for obstruction of justice in not turning his stuff over to Epstein.
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That doesn't seem like enough.
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To not just to not turn over a journal over a year.
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I don't know, maybe not.
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I guess it's like the crime in out of context, like, okay, whatever, but in context of like he's preventing sexual assault rape victims from getting justice.
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Yeah.
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Well, it did, but Epstein does get prison at this point in time.
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So barely, but he gets something.
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So they probably thought they had, you know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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Well, months after his release, Alfredo Rodriguez died on December 28th, 2014, after succumbing to quick acting mesaloma at his home in Miami.
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And and this is after just a six-month battle with aggressive cancer.
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This is the first of many people who are gonna die of cancer in a weird way.
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Oh.
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That's what I mean.
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Sometimes it's not of someone pulled a trigger, but it's weird that so many people on this list will die of cancer.
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Wait, do you mean mesothelioma?
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Maybe.
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Maybe I just spelled it wrong.
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Sorry.
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It's either melanoma or mesothelioma.
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No, it's the it's the mesothelioma.
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Yeah, that one.
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Right, right, right.
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I'm glad you're here.
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I'm glad you're here.
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The one where they had all the uh they used to have all the commercials about it.
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Like, dude, you were a loved one of metothelioma.
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Yeah, that's probably like asbestos.
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Yeah, I'm I'm sorry.
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I may have just in my quick typing, not like I might have cut out a couple letters.
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Oh, it's okay.
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You just hit on my um medical nerd.
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No, that's okay.
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Again, I'm glad you're here.
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I didn't I may look like an idiot, but at least you help.
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Together we have a brain cell.
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Well, unfortunately, no autopsies details beyond the cancer diagnosis were ever publicly released, and the death certificate listed his c his death as natural causes with no further elaboration.
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I guess when someone dies of cancer, you're not usually like investigating it.
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Exactly.
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And obviously, this holy grail of evidence has never surfaced.
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Fuck.
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Yeah.
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So again, maybe he died of can I mean he died of cancer, but it's still someone do something to induce that.
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Yeah, it's all fucked up.
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And it'd be weird if someone could give you cancer.
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Oh, it's there's lots of things that can give you cancer very easily.
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I guess.
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But while you're serving in prison, he wasn't that long out of prison before he died.
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Died of aggressive cancer.
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Yeah.
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It's fucking weird.
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Just saying.
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Yeah.
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And I couldn't not include it.
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Especially based on the shit this guy witnessed and did nothing about.
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Yeah.
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So but you'll see as we go.
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Could just be karma.
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Maybe.
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I mean, hopefully it was miserable for him then.
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Alright, so our next our next dad is Steven Hoffenberg.
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Stephen Hoffenberg was jump born on January 12th, 1945, in Brooklyn, New York to a Jewish family.
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In 1971, he pled guilty to attempted second-degree larceny after trying to steal a diamond in New York.
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What a classic heist.
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I think it's kind of awesome, right?
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Oh, I'm gonna try to steal a diamond.
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In the early 1970s, Hoffenberg found founded Towers Financial Corporation as a legitimate debt collection agency, initially buying debts owned to hospitals, banks, and phone companies, where he served as this company's CEO, chairman, and president.
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So he thinks he's gonna make money getting people to pay him the debts that other people can't get them to pay.
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Well, you know, debt collection is a business.
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Someone must be making money doing it.
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Right.
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And usually it's lawyers and their firms, but that's beyond the point.
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Yeah.
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Because they know how to take you to court for it, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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So that company quickly ballooned into one of the largest Ponzi schemes in US history, defrauding and defrauding investors of approximately four hundred and seventy-five million dollars between nineteen eighty-eight and nineteen ninety-three.
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Which is crazy.
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It's impressive sometimes when you when you really the I mean, look a scammer, but like when you create a Ponzi scheme that effective, like I have to have a little bit of respect.
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Right, I agree.
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It's just like that's impressive.
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It is, it's very impressive.
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I'm just to scam people that hard.
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Well, what he apparently what he was doing was he was taking like new funds that came in, and he used that money to pay off early investors so that they were kind of no longer looking at him.
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They were like they're that weight.
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And then he would just continue, use the rest to fuel this extravagant lifestyle he was living.
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Yep, that makes sense.
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So in February of '93, amid the Ponzi scheme's eventual unraveling, Hoffenberg briefly owned the New York Post.
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But his tenure.
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But his tenure only lasted like a month and a half or something.
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Even on the on that shit rag, like they couldn't keep this guy?
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Well, he was that bad?
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It ended in chaos with mass layoffs, a staff walkout, and a ton of missed publication deadlines.
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So he was trying to run it like his Ponzi scheme and not run it like a newspaper, basically.
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Right.
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Unfortunately, that in this business there are actual deadlines, and you do have to produce something.
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Right, or no one's gonna pay you, but no one's gonna buy your shit, right?
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Right.
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It's not runoff of investors.
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It's like you sell a product.
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Well, Towers Financial filed for bankruptcy that same month, and that exposed the Ponzi scheme's full scope of crimes, leading to him having to plead guilty in April of 1995.
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Interesting.
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All right, what were the consequences?
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Well, he was sentenced to 20 years in federal prison in 1997 and was eventually released in October of 2013.
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So he spent 16 years in prison.
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Wow, I love to see a scammer going to prison.
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Yeah, so he did pay for his crimes.
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After his release, Stephen sought to make amends with his victims.
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He married a woman named Maria Santiago and tried to enjoy his life.
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And this is this story that I've told you so far has excluded his interaction with Epstein.
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I was just wanna I that part was there to tell you how big of a douchebag he was without telling you what he's done for Epstein.
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Because here we go.
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Great.
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Hoffenberg's association with Jeffrey Epstein began in 87 when he met the then 34-year-old through a British defense contractor named Douglas Lease, who praised Epstein as a genius at selling securities despite lacking a moral compass.
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Well, you don't need a moral compass to do shit like that.
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Agreed.
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Now, Hoffenberg hired Epstein as a paid consultant for Tower Financial from 87 to 93.
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So during this time that they're making$400-something million dollars.
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Epstein is a part of this.
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And making money off of it.
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He was compensating Epstein$25,000 a month and provided and provided him with a$2 million loan in 1988 that Epstein never bothered to repay.
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Why would he?
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Right.
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Hoffenberg and Epstein traveled frequently on his private jet, shared offices on Madison Avenue, and pursued ambitious but failed takeover bids for various companies.
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Yeah.
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And Epstein's Epstein was earning a million dollars in fees during this time.
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And in doing nothing successfully.
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Correct.
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How do you fail up?
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This is what this is teaching us.
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Yeah, it's insane.
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Hoffenberg later claimed in court documents and interviews that Epstein himself was the architect of the Ponzi scheme with the Tower Financial Company.
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Which maybe.
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Of course he was.
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What a fucking scammer.
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Although he might just be trying to like be like, oh, I didn't invent it.
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:09.680
Exactly.
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It was the pedophile.
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Well, I don't think they know he's a pedophile at this point, but yes.
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I think everyone around him knows he's a pedophile, but the courts probably not the courts, not the public.
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Right.
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In August of 2018, there was a lawsuit, and former Towers investors alleged that the stolen$475 million had served as seed capital for Epstein's subsequent hedge fund, which they valued over time as a being worth$50 billion.
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:42.880
Whoa.
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Yeah.
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Now that's fucking crazy because they should have seized those assets.
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Right.
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And I I they I think they eventually did, but I mean he's obviously accessing that money over that time.
00:28:58.160 --> 00:28:59.200
Right, and exactly.
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Like they're see if they're seizing that after it's already grown to all that money, then they're taking a fraction.
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Now, following Epstein's 2019 arrest, Steven Hoffenberg publicly labeled Epstein as his uncharged co-conspirator and best friend, and said that he and Epstein had a special relationship, even going so far to claim that Epstein was the smartest person he knew.
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A weird time to be praising someone like that.
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:31.519
Yup.
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Now, strangely, Hoffenberg began connecting with Epstein victims after his release from prison.
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Hoffenberg allegedly revealed that he possessed knowledge of incriminating tapes that Epstein had collected, where Epstein and Maxwell recorded like the elites, these people, like their clients, for blackmail.
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He claimed he had a hell of a scam.
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Right.
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And that's why that's where some of the things, like when you're hearing like who's redacted from these files, some people are mentioned simply for blackmail purposes.
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They're not necessarily traveling to this island.
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Right.
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So but Hoffenberg claimed that the FBI had held on to those tapes since 2019 and never released them and he bear and that the FBI had buried them to protect powerful figures, which at this point we're well aware of.
00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:25.759
Right, like we all know that.
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That's what they do.
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Right.
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On August 23rd, 2022, police in Derby, Connecticut responded to a welfare check at Hoffenberg's apartment after a private investigator acting on behalf of a woman identifying herself as an Epstein victim reported that she hadn't been able to reach Hoffenberg for five days.
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What I find interesting, despite the fact that this woman's calling in the welfare check, is that he is at this point he's trying to work with the victims to fuck over Epstein.
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Right, and of course that's why he's gonna end up dead.
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Well, upon entering the apartment, officers discovered Hoffenberg's barg body in an advanced state of decomposition decomposition on the floor, and estimated that he had been dead for approximately one week.
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Yeah.
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Due to the body's condition, authorities initially could not positive positively identify him, but eventually confirmed his identity through dental records.
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:34.400
Oh that's a level of decomposition.
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That's awful.
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So fucked up.
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The autopsy performed revealed that there was no evidence of trauma, and investigators noted there was no sign of a struggle, no forced entry or foul play, and suggested that Stephen had simply died alone in his modest one-bedroom apartment.
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:56.079
From what though?
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:57.920
Undetermined.
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:10.640
Yeah, they're calling it natural causes, and they claim it's consistent with his poor self-care, including irregular eating and health neglect.
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:13.519
Not a lot of detail.
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:14.480
That's really sus.
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Super sus.
00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:18.799
See, this one more so than the others.
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:22.160
Like Yeah, it's like that's not a real cause of death.
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It's so weird.
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:25.119
It is so weird.
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:31.920
And this is why I couldn't not I mean he's on here for an obvious reason, but like you can't just not include all these people.
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:32.720
Yeah.
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It's fucking crazy.
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It's all really suspicious.
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Now, this next one, you may recognize the name.
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I you may not.
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:44.720
I certainly recognize it because of what happened in the early 2000s.
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:46.960
But it's Kenneth Starr.
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:49.440
I do not Okay.
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:54.079
You're gonna well, as we go, you're gonna hear why maybe I thought you might have known him.
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:59.119
But Ken Starr was like it was a name that was everywhere in the early 2000s.
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:01.359
And again, I know you were a child then, so.
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:02.079
Who was he?
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:03.279
A Backstreet Boy?
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:05.440
No, no.
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:14.480
So Kenneth Winston Starr was born on July 21st, 1946 in Texas to a middle class family.
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He had an impressive career in law.
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He worked for the Supreme Court from 1975 to 1977.
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He was a counselor to the Attorney General William French Smith.
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:31.519
He had lots of connections to obviously high profile political people.
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He was appointed the U.S.
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Solicitor General by George H.W.
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Bush in 1989 and argued over 25 cases before the Supreme Court defending key administration policies.
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Powerful guy.
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Very powerful guy.
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Starr left the government in 1993 and entered private private practice at a place called Kirkland and Ellis, but his career peaked as an independent counsel investigating the Whitewater scandal from 1994, which involved Bill Clinton and the Monica Lewinsky affair.
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This guy was all over them.
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He was all over the news.
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He was the main push.
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That's why I thought you might have known who he was.
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:17.760
Gotcha.
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.519
No, I don't have any memory of the that trial.
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:24.559
I guess that did happen during my life, didn't it?
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:25.280
But I was so young.
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:26.239
That's what I meant.
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You were a kid.
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:31.840
Like I don't remember much about what happened in the late 70s from actual memory.
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:35.519
Yeah, no one was telling me about Monica Lewinsky when I was five.
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:36.639
Thank God.
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:38.639
If someone had, it would have been you.
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:41.599
And why would I do that?
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:44.400
No, because no one else would tell me anything.
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:46.719
That's true, but you were so young, there was no way.
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:47.440
I was.
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:49.440
Yeah, there's no good reason for that.
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.119
Alright, so it's so funny.
00:34:54.079 --> 00:35:02.239
So he authored the 1980s, sorry, the 1998 Star Report that led to President Bill Clinton's impeachment.
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:03.119
Wow.
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:05.920
Yeah, so he was tangled up with the Clintons pretty hard.
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:08.880
Pretty baller to have star as your last name.
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The Star Report.
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:10.559
Right.
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:11.280
And that's what I mean.
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:13.679
When you hear it, you're like, we're talking about the Daily Star?
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:15.119
Are we talking about Right?
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:18.800
Like that's kind of iconic, but I'm sure I hate him.
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:19.599
I'm just guessing.
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:23.760
Well, he's also deeply entangled with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:26.400
They all are, man.
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:28.159
Well, everyone on this list, certainly.
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:29.039
Well, yeah, that's true.
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:30.400
Well, just so many people are.
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:43.199
So Starr's association with Epstein emerged in 2007 when he was hired to represent Epstein amidst the mounting federal investigation into what he had done to teenage girls in Palm Beach, Florida.
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:54.239
As Epstein's defense lawyer, Kenneth Starr orchestrated a scorched earth strategy that was detailed in Julie K.
00:35:54.320 --> 00:36:11.599
Brown's 2021 book, Perversion of Justice, which involved aggressive tactics against the victims, witnesses, and even the Palm Palm Beach police detective Joe Ricari, who also died of cancer and could have been on this list.
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:14.639
What the fuck?
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:16.480
Really fucking weird.
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:29.599
Now Ken Starr went after Joe Ricari, basically trying to discredit him through like subpoenas and character attacks as Ricari was there as a you know a witness against Epstein.
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:33.119
I could have included Ricari, I probably should have.
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:41.360
There wasn't a lot of information, but he definitely was after Epstein, he had information, and he died strangely, he died of cancer.
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:44.159
So really fucking weird.
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:45.119
Mm-hmm.
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:51.440
So Ken Starr also collaborated closely with the U.S.
00:36:51.599 --> 00:37:03.360
attorney and Epstein's other lawyers to negotiate that famous non-prosecution agreement where where he didn't really spend much time in prison for everything he's done.
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:04.079
Mm-hmm.
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:06.559
So yeah, Ken Starr is that kind of scum.
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:08.159
Disgusting fucking person.
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:09.360
Exactly.
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:19.039
So in 2019, after Epstein was rearrested, Ken Starr defended his role in interviews with the media.
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:21.760
The stuff that he did back in the early 2000s.
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:22.800
Oh yeah?
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:31.199
He frame he was trying to frame that plea deal as pragmatic resolutions given the evidence they had at the time.
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:33.360
Oh, fuck off.
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:34.400
Yeah.
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:47.599
So Ken Starr died on September 13th, 2022, after after succumbing to complications from an elective surgery in Houston, Texas.
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:48.880
Although he is old.
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:49.840
He is.
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But his family issued a statement confirming the cause, noting that Starr had undergone the procedure and made a non-disclosed chronic illness.
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No autopsies were ever mentioned in any reports, and the death certificate attributes his death to surgical aftermath.
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Now, some people on are pointing the fingers at Clinton, that the Clintons for orchestrating Ken Starr's death as a revenge against Clinton's impeachment, but I don't think that's the likely side of it.
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No, I don't think so.
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He either really did die of what he died of, or with Gisl uh Ghlaine Maxwell's criminal thing happening, maybe it had to do with that more than certainly more than the Clintons.
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Right.
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And also, like that would be a really belated revenge for the Clintons.
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Right.
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It's really fucking weird.
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Like I feel like they just kind of have to accept like Clinton has to accept that he was impeached for a reason.
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I mean, there the evidence against him, the stupid shit he was doing and saying revolving around Monica Lewinsky, was just awful.
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He deserves he deserved everything he got.
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Exactly.
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It wasn't like I mean, I'm sure like this guy was scathing and dug deep and maybe, I don't know, did some shit.
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But uh he deserved to be impeached.
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Agreed.
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He did the thing.
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Agreed.
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And I might and even as a liberal democrat, I say if Clinton did anything to children, he deserves to be fucking punished.
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Absolutely.
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I think most people are on that side.
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Right.
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I don't care who the fuck you are, if you hurt children, if you are a rapist, get fucking punished.
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100% don't care if you're my hero.
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Exactly.
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100% agree with you.
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And also like Bill Clinton, as if I loved him anyway.
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Well, and I would argue for me, for like you said, even if it was your hero, like if I had to pick a hero from my youth, it would be someone like Gene Simmons.
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And if Gene Simmons did that to children, then yeah, even as a rock star, I get it.
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Maybe he did have a sex with like a 17-year-old here and there, because you know, you're on tour, you're not really IDing people.
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Right?
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But like if you were actively seeking out underage kids to abuse, then yeah, you deserve to be punished.
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Abso fucking lutely.
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I don't and you're dead to me.
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Right.
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And if it comes if it did come out that he slept with a 15-year-old while on tour, well then you deserve to be punished.
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Abso fucking lutely.
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Yeah.
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So regardless.
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Alright, so the last person we're going to talk about in part two was named Mark Middleton.
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And he also worked in the Clinton administration.
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He joined in 1993 as a special assistant in the White House and rose to the role of special advisor, where he facilitated high-level meetings and access for donors and influencers.
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So he was basically helping people come in to work with the Clintons.
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His association with Epstein began in the 90s when he authorized at least seven of Epstein's 17 documented White House visits between 93 and 95.
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Exactly.
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Middleton himself often signed Jeffrey Epstein into the White House personally for his meetings with Bill Clinton and other officials.
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Flight logs revealed that Middleton had traveled on Epstein's private jet at least once, which further intertwined their professional and social circles amidst the reputation that Epstein was creating.
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Mm-hmm.
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After leaving the White House in ninety five, Middleton founded Aetna Consulting, a lobbying firm that represented foreign entities, including the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Kazakhstan's interests.
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Oh great.
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He was amassing wealth through international deals while maintaining ties to the Clinton World alumni.
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Mm-hmm.
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However, on May 7th, 2022, 59-year-old Mark Middleton was discovered deceased at the Heifer Ranch, a nonprofit cattle farm in Perryville, Arkansas, approximately 50 miles from his home in Little Rock.
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Middleton has had no prior connections to this ranch, so he specifically went there to meet someone.
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Middleton weird.
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Middleton was found hanging by an extension cord in an apparent suicide with a gunshot wound to his chest.
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That's a weird suicide.
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How do you hang yourself and shoot yourself at the same time?
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I don't know.
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You'd have to be hanging there and be able to somehow not be freaking out and control the gun to do it.
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Yeah, that's just weird.
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Arkansas State Crime Lab conducted an autopsy that allegedly confirmed the cause of death was suicide by a combination of hanging and gunshot blast.
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He had no weird.
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Yeah, and he had no illicit illicit substances or alcohol in his system at the time of his death.
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Hmm.
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Yep.
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Weird.
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I'm telling you, this there, and there's more to go.
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This is just the end of part two.
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We still have one more part to go.
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And um, I'm saving the biggest one for last, because that's just crazy.
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Or the last part, I should say.
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Um, but yeah, there's um it it's too coincidental.
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Yeah, it's all just so weird, and some of them it's like, yeah, okay, but there's just so many of them.
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And and again, we're not even done.
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Yeah.
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So either these people know things that even we aren't aware of and may never now be aware of, or it's just the weirdest coincidence in the history of coincidences.
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Mm-hmm.
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And some of them may just be that.
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But yeah, it's I mean, yes, and of course, some will just be a coincidence.
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But that doesn't mean that it's many of them.
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It's just it's so fucked up.
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I don't even know how to begin to wrap my head around it because it's such a big conspiracy, even if only 20% of what we're talking about is true.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Well, I know I'm gonna need to go figure out how you would cause someone to get cancer, and I'm gonna end up on a list, but I need to understand.
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I mean, maybe those people, it's just a coincidence.
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And I'm hoping it is, because if we have the means of giving people cancer, I'm terrified.
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Well, I mean, there's certainly things that you can do to really increase someone's risk.
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Like, there's a lot of substances that are actively cancer-causing.
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Like, true.
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One of the substances I I work with.
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Well, I don't have to work directly with it, thank God.
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But one of the things some of the things we use to sterilize things, like so that they could be used in the human body, they have to be the most murderous substances in existence.
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And some of them work by just straight up blasting DNA, which is how you cause cancer.
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So but I don't know how quickly that can cause cancer.
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Weird.
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Okay.
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I mean, I maybe I know like radiation, exposure to certain radiations, and there's a lot of ways, but like I was just I I just suddenly imagine like X-files kind of shit.
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Like they drop something in your coffee, and the next thing you know, you have fucking cancer.
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Right, that would be nuts.
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That's what I'm saying.
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That would be bad.
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Yeah, it'd be really bad.
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All right, but um, so yeah, so next week we will wrap this up.
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Thank you everyone for joining us.
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Once again, I'm Janice Dead.
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And I'm Joyce Dead.
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And we'll see you next week.
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Bye.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Unsung Murder Ballads.
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This is episode 183.
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I am Janice Dead.
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And I'm Joyce Dead.
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All right.
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So last week we did part one of what's going to be three parts of our uh suspicious death surrounding Jeffrey Epstein case.
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So and I'm traumatized and I'm pissed off.
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And we're just going to get more traumatized and pissed off.
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I know it's not going to get any better, and that's the worst part.
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You know?
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I'm mentally prepared for that.
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I'm not expecting it to get any better.
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There's a coup, I mean, there's obviously a few more that are pretty pretty bad, but like I think Virginia Geffray's story is the worst of them.
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You know?
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So we've already covered that one, and we will mention her again because as she was an ongoing victim of and recruiter for Epstein, she will keep showing up here and there.
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Which is such a shitty situation.
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Very awful.
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I mean, I don't know what it's like to be in the situation they were in, but I mean she she was something was good enough for her to be an active recruiter.
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Or she was in enough danger.
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Or something.
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Yeah.
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It's weird.
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Because he felt that's what she had to do.
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It's weird.
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And it's hard to wrap my head around as someone who I don't know.
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I I speak my mind way too easily, I think.
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So Right.
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But you know, it's one of those things where, you know, maybe she was trying to justify to herself that she could survive it.
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Um justify to herself, like why she couldn't get herself out.
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I don't know.
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Not that any of it's okay, and I wouldn't excuse any of it, but that's just it.
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I don't excuse any of her behavior, but I can understand from the point of view of someone being victimized.
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Yeah.
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Cult victims often end up recruiting for the cult.
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Very, very true.
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So this is somewhat of a cult, I would say.
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I agree.
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So once again, we're diving back into some people.
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We're gonna just kind of keep going person to person, telling their life story, what happened, how they passed, and why it's suspicious around everything that's been going on.
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And some of them, I I I know I'm gonna say this now because I know I can hear it when we get there.
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Some of them, the actual death itself is certainly not um directly linked, but it's weird in totality.
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay.
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So with that said, the next person we're gonna be talking about is Lee Skypatrick.
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So Lee Skypatrick was born in 1988 in Fort Worth, Florida, working into a working class family where she grew up alongside her identical twin sister, Selby Patrick.
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Which is pretty cool.
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I've always wished I had a teen a twin.
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That'd be cool.
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Two of you?
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No, thank you.
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Fair, fair.
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As a teenager, as a teenager, she attended Wellington Christian School from which she graduated, but she was known amongst her friends and family as sort of a wild child who began drinking alcohol at an underage, often making impulsive decisions influenced by peer pressure and adolescent rebellion.
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Which normal teenager?
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I was gonna say, who doesn't?
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You know, it depends on how far we're taking it.
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I mean, I was pretty extreme, and luckily I wasn't influenced by alcohol.
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So thank goodness of that.
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Right.
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Her family described Lee as having had a close-knit sibling bond with her twin Selby, who later became a bank supervisor and would play a pivotal role in caring for Lee's child after her death.
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Lee's association with Epstein began in 2003 when she was just 16 years old, during a period of um youthful curiosity, we'll say.
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That year in 2003, while attending a party at a friend's house in in Palm Beach, which is the city that Epstein lived in, um, another acquaintance of hers suggested that they go over to what was described as an exclusive house party.
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Oh.
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However, Lee found herself alone in Epstein's mansion, and her friend just abruptly left.
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That's fucked up.
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Yeah.
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I'm not a fucking friend.
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Well, I understand that Virginia Geffray was not the only person that he was using to recruit other young girls.
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Right.
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It could have been, you know, that could have been one of her friends being used.
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Yeah, definitely.
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So it's fucked up.
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Now Epstein comes out wearing only a towel.
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Gross.
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And along with him is a woman who is very obviously Gollaine Maxwell, who introduces herself to the girls or tells the girls that they meet that her name is Jillian.
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And basically they start recruiting Lee in and lure her in and other friends of hers as well, with the promise of this glamorous life that they could have, as well as modeling opportunities.
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Which, of course, for any teenage girl, walking around a mansion that has to be quite the pitch.
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Just since I mean, even as a you know, grown woman.
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Yeah.
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Walking around, like you could I mean, not like a grown woman, like of like me at 30 years old, but like as a younger woman, walking me around a mansion.
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I'm like, ooh, wow, this is kind of cool.
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Like, what do you want me to do to live here?
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Oh, oh, just model, no problem.
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Except that the guy's walking around in a towel.
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Yeah, I mean that part, but pre prefrontal cortex development, then yeah.
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Yeah, it's true.
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Well, during that first visit, Epstein offered Lee$300 to give him a massage and to remove her shirt while doing so.
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But the situation escalated because he grew aggressive and demanded that she remove her bra.
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Now, when she refused, Epstein, according to her, Epstein even tried to rip it off of her himself, which prompted Lee to flee in absolute terror.
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However, despite how traumatic that first encounter with him was, Lee was tempted by money and for the potential future opportunities.
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And she returned to Epstein's mansion multiple times over the following year where she endured repeated assaults by Epstein.
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Now Lee would end up visiting the Palm Beach resident many residence many times, and each instance deepened the psychological scars that her family would later link directly to the onset of her addictions.
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That's what I mean.
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So even though their deaths might not be a direct link, it's very much the causality.
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You know, it may not be murder, but Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So years later, Lee and her and a friend of hers received fifty thousand dollars each from Epstein.
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And this is a Wow.
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Yeah, it's crazy.
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And this sort of provided like a relief, which fueled Lee's downward spiral as it enabled her to access more of her vices.
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So Lee did escape from Epstein and Maxwell, and she attempted to start a new life.
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By her early twenties, away from them, she became a mother to a son, a son that she gave birth to named Jaden in 2012.
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And she adored him despite her own personal struggles.
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In 2015, at the age of 27, she got engaged to Jaden's father and expressed opp expressed optimism about her future, having recently completed rehab and was applying for jobs in the insurance market while at the same time celebrating three years of sobriety.
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That's awesome.
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Three years is incredible.
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Yeah, that's no that's no easy feat.
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I mean, I can't even give up potato chips for three months, let alone three years.
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And that's just a potato chip.
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For real.
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However, Lee's Lee's life continued to be marred by legal troubles stemming from battles, uh, stemming from her battles with her addictions.
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And she was arrested twelve times between tw 2004 and 2017 for offenses of possession, domestic battery, resisting arrest, and battery on an officer.
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Oof.
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Yeah.
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Now most of the most of the time these incidents revolved around her desperate attempts to see her son Jaden, who was eventually taken away from her and kept with his father because of her behavior.
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Oh, that's sad.
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And at one point, Jaden was placed in the care of her sister Selby's custody due to her addictions.
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And then Lee was found dead on May 30th, 2017, while when the cleaning staff at a the treetops motel in West Palm Beach, Florida, had to force their way into her room after receiving no response from the occupant.
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In that dark hotel room, the hotel staff found Lee's nude body lying still, partially covered by a sheet on the bed.
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Just shy of her 30th birthday by a week, she was found dead.
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And the authorities were called and they and obviously they do their examinations, and they noted that her body was covered in bruises, abrasions, open wounds, and sores at the time of her death.
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Suggesting obviously physical distress, beatings, conflicts, whatever it may have been leading to her death.
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Right.
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Now, the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office investigation revealed that a man who had rented the room for her had picked Lee up earlier that evening, and that and he said that she appeared beaten and under the influence of something when he brought brought her to that motel.
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And that he he said he witnessed her use dangerous drugs.
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And I guess a like an autopsy report would show if they were fresh bruises or old bruises.
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Well, they're very vague about it.
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The anonymous individual, the guy, claimed that he later on that night had flushed some of her remaining drugs and a pipe down the toilet.
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A pipe down the toilet?
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I don't think so.
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I'm assuming he breaks it, you know.
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I guess.
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Sure.
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But he left her there, assuming that she would sober up and recover.
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And then, of course, she's found unresponsive the next day.
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So this autopsy that they did came back.
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Um they did the autopsy, and it came back with a toxicology analysis that determined her cause of death was an accidental overdose, attributing it broadly to the ongoing opiate crisis at the time.
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Yeah.
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So sad.
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Now, this tragic end came nearly two weeks after her most recent relapse from jail, where she had served a 17-day sentence for trespassing trying to see her son.
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Oh, it's just it's just so sad.
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Yeah.
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You can just imagine, like, she's no longer like kind of on this mortal plane with the rest of us, and it's just living in misery where she just wants to see her son, but she's probably really not a safe person for her son to be around.
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And if her own twin sister isn't allowing her to, there's your answer.
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Yeah.
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Ugh.
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Yeah.
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Now her sister Selby did say she has repeatedly asserted that her sister's downward spiral began immediately after Epstein, stating, quote, My sister suffered tremendously, and it started with Epstein.
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Something happened in her when she met him that got her out of control.
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Unquote.
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Ugh.
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So again, that that's not it's not a murder, but it might as well have been.
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Right.
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And for trauma directly is a huge predictor for addiction.
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Right.
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And for all we know, because 2017, we're talking about that's around, you know, the time he was arrested.
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So for all we know, someone could have gone in there and fed her those drugs.
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We don't know.
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Right.
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I mean, um that's a bit more extreme, I think, but it's not Or it could have been that seeing him in the news triggered her in.
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Brought it all back.
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Entirely possible.
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She was seeking solace.
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Yep.
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It's fucking crazy.
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Mm-hmm.
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So the next death we're going to talk about is Alfredo Rodriguez.
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Now, Alfredo Rodriguez was born in Bolivia and immigrated to the U.S.
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where he built a successful career as a house manager for affluent clients in South Florida.
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Rodriguez was described by his family as an honest, caring individual who served as a moral anchor for those around him, often prioritizing their well-being over his own.
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So like a father.
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Prior to his involvement with Epstein, Alfredo managed estates for other wealthy individuals, honing his skills in discretion and efficiency that made him a trusted employee in certain elite circles.
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His professional reputation was one of reliability, and he had no prior criminal record or indications of personal turmoil until the events surrounding Epstein.
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While he worked for Epstein, Alfredo worked and lived at Epstein's Palm Beach estate.
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Members emphasized that Alfredo's life had been exemplary up until that point.
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Family members, sorry.
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Marked by his dedication to his loved one and his loved ones and his strong work ethic.
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But something changed fairly quickly once he started living and working in Epstein's house.
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Yeah, that'll fuck you right up.
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And not only that, for all we know, he was fed a supply of drugs as well.
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100%.
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So working this job, Alfredo's duties included cleaning Epstein's bedroom after massages.
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Oh, yep.
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Oh, it sucked.
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And he was routinely disposing of and cleaning up items that were left behind, and he would assume, presumably, observe teenagers lounging around the pool and walking around the house.
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Yeah, there's no way he doesn't know what the fuck's going on there.
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Exactly.
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He witnessed Epstein viewing images of minors on his home computers and even engaging in contact with them, details he would later document in a personal journal, which he called, he himself called the Holy Grail.
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Huh.
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Well, clearly the people he's telling that he's told about this journal that he's calling the Holy Grail, he clearly already has his own blackmail in his in the back of his mind.
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That's for certain.
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So this journal chronicled the full scope of Epstein's exploitations and included lists of victims and high-profile contacts such as Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Mick Jagger, Barbara Walters, Henry Kissinger, and even members of the Kennedy family.
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The only one on that list that surprises me is Barbara Walter.
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I don't even know who that is.
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She was a famous news reporter back in the day.
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Like nationally famous.
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Yeah, like the name rings a bell, but I'm like, I couldn't tell you who that is.
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Yeah.
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So Alfredo also maintained a copy of Epstein's infamous black book, which contained phone numbers of dozens of young women allegedly assaulted by him and his by Epstein and his associates.
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Ooh.
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In January of 2007, during the FBI's grand jury investigation into Epstein, Alfredo was interviewed, but failed to disclose the existence of this material despite being asked to produce any relevant evidence.
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That's fucked up.
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Yeah, he's he doesn't I don't think I think he's thinking no one's gonna go really go down, and he's looking at his like golden egg over here.
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Frady's just like waiting for the right time or something, or he's hoping to get more through blackmail than he could through legal prosecutions, yeah.
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And he's still got a paycheck to worry about.
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Yeah.
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So by late July and August of 2009, fearing for his safety, Alfredo contacted an attorney representing Epstein's victims and attempted to sell the copy of Epstein's black book and his journal for$50,000.
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So it's kind of fucked up to sell it.
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Right?
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It's so weird.
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But I mean, again, he's definitely spiraled out of the whole I'm a good father thing, and now he wants the money.
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He's probably already jacked it up in his head that he was going to make this money at some point anyway.
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Mm-hmm.
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So now he's desperate to get it because he thinks maybe he thinks Epstein's going down for good this time.
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Mm-hmm.
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So it's fucked up.
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Getting his last paycheck before the source is gone.
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Exactly.
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Kind of fucked, yeah.
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And of course, he viewed that those journals, the journal and the black book, as like an insurance policy against Epstein's threats, which according to him, Epstein Epstein told him that he can make him disappear.
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And yeah, he was telling the truth, he can.
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Well, exactly, because Epstein, uh I'm sorry, Alfredo's widow later revealed that he knew intimate details about figures like former Prince Andrew and people like that.
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Mm-hmm.
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So Alfredo served approximately 13 months of an 18-month sentence in federal prison for obstruction for obstruction of justice in not turning his stuff over to Epstein.
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That doesn't seem like enough.
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To not just to not turn over a journal over a year.
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I don't know, maybe not.
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I guess it's like the crime in out of context, like, okay, whatever, but in context of like he's preventing sexual assault rape victims from getting justice.
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Yeah.
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Well, it did, but Epstein does get prison at this point in time.
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So barely, but he gets something.
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So they probably thought they had, you know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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Well, months after his release, Alfredo Rodriguez died on December 28th, 2014, after succumbing to quick acting mesaloma at his home in Miami.
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And and this is after just a six-month battle with aggressive cancer.
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This is the first of many people who are gonna die of cancer in a weird way.
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Oh.
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That's what I mean.
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Sometimes it's not of someone pulled a trigger, but it's weird that so many people on this list will die of cancer.
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Wait, do you mean mesothelioma?
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Maybe.
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Maybe I just spelled it wrong.
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Sorry.
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It's either melanoma or mesothelioma.
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No, it's the it's the mesothelioma.
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Yeah, that one.
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Right, right, right.
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I'm glad you're here.
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I'm glad you're here.
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The one where they had all the uh they used to have all the commercials about it.
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Like, dude, you were a loved one of metothelioma.
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Yeah, that's probably like asbestos.
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Yeah, I'm I'm sorry.
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I may have just in my quick typing, not like I might have cut out a couple letters.
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Oh, it's okay.
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You just hit on my um medical nerd.
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No, that's okay.
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Again, I'm glad you're here.
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I didn't I may look like an idiot, but at least you help.
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Together we have a brain cell.
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Well, unfortunately, no autopsies details beyond the cancer diagnosis were ever publicly released, and the death certificate listed his c his death as natural causes with no further elaboration.
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I guess when someone dies of cancer, you're not usually like investigating it.
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Exactly.
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And obviously, this holy grail of evidence has never surfaced.
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Fuck.
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Yeah.
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So again, maybe he died of can I mean he died of cancer, but it's still someone do something to induce that.
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Yeah, it's all fucked up.
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And it'd be weird if someone could give you cancer.
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Oh, it's there's lots of things that can give you cancer very easily.
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I guess.
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But while you're serving in prison, he wasn't that long out of prison before he died.
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Died of aggressive cancer.
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Yeah.
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It's fucking weird.
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Just saying.
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Yeah.
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And I couldn't not include it.
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Especially based on the shit this guy witnessed and did nothing about.
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Yeah.
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So but you'll see as we go.
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Could just be karma.
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Maybe.
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I mean, hopefully it was miserable for him then.
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Alright, so our next our next dad is Steven Hoffenberg.
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Stephen Hoffenberg was jump born on January 12th, 1945, in Brooklyn, New York to a Jewish family.
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In 1971, he pled guilty to attempted second-degree larceny after trying to steal a diamond in New York.
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What a classic heist.
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I think it's kind of awesome, right?
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Oh, I'm gonna try to steal a diamond.
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In the early 1970s, Hoffenberg found founded Towers Financial Corporation as a legitimate debt collection agency, initially buying debts owned to hospitals, banks, and phone companies, where he served as this company's CEO, chairman, and president.
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So he thinks he's gonna make money getting people to pay him the debts that other people can't get them to pay.
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Well, you know, debt collection is a business.
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Someone must be making money doing it.
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Right.
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And usually it's lawyers and their firms, but that's beyond the point.
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Yeah.
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Because they know how to take you to court for it, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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So that company quickly ballooned into one of the largest Ponzi schemes in US history, defrauding and defrauding investors of approximately four hundred and seventy-five million dollars between nineteen eighty-eight and nineteen ninety-three.
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Which is crazy.
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It's impressive sometimes when you when you really the I mean, look a scammer, but like when you create a Ponzi scheme that effective, like I have to have a little bit of respect.
00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:04.720
Right, I agree.
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It's just like that's impressive.
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It is, it's very impressive.
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I'm just to scam people that hard.
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Well, what he apparently what he was doing was he was taking like new funds that came in, and he used that money to pay off early investors so that they were kind of no longer looking at him.
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They were like they're that weight.
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And then he would just continue, use the rest to fuel this extravagant lifestyle he was living.
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Yep, that makes sense.
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So in February of '93, amid the Ponzi scheme's eventual unraveling, Hoffenberg briefly owned the New York Post.
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But his tenure.
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But his tenure only lasted like a month and a half or something.
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Even on the on that shit rag, like they couldn't keep this guy?
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Well, he was that bad?
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It ended in chaos with mass layoffs, a staff walkout, and a ton of missed publication deadlines.
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So he was trying to run it like his Ponzi scheme and not run it like a newspaper, basically.
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Right.
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Unfortunately, that in this business there are actual deadlines, and you do have to produce something.
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Right, or no one's gonna pay you, but no one's gonna buy your shit, right?
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Right.
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It's not runoff of investors.
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It's like you sell a product.
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Well, Towers Financial filed for bankruptcy that same month, and that exposed the Ponzi scheme's full scope of crimes, leading to him having to plead guilty in April of 1995.
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Interesting.
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All right, what were the consequences?
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Well, he was sentenced to 20 years in federal prison in 1997 and was eventually released in October of 2013.
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So he spent 16 years in prison.
00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:51.759
Wow, I love to see a scammer going to prison.
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Yeah, so he did pay for his crimes.
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After his release, Stephen sought to make amends with his victims.
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He married a woman named Maria Santiago and tried to enjoy his life.
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And this is this story that I've told you so far has excluded his interaction with Epstein.
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I was just wanna I that part was there to tell you how big of a douchebag he was without telling you what he's done for Epstein.
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Because here we go.
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Great.
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Hoffenberg's association with Jeffrey Epstein began in 87 when he met the then 34-year-old through a British defense contractor named Douglas Lease, who praised Epstein as a genius at selling securities despite lacking a moral compass.
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Well, you don't need a moral compass to do shit like that.
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Agreed.
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Now, Hoffenberg hired Epstein as a paid consultant for Tower Financial from 87 to 93.
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So during this time that they're making$400-something million dollars.
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Epstein is a part of this.
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And making money off of it.
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He was compensating Epstein$25,000 a month and provided and provided him with a$2 million loan in 1988 that Epstein never bothered to repay.
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Why would he?
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Right.
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Hoffenberg and Epstein traveled frequently on his private jet, shared offices on Madison Avenue, and pursued ambitious but failed takeover bids for various companies.
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Yeah.
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And Epstein's Epstein was earning a million dollars in fees during this time.
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And in doing nothing successfully.
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Correct.
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How do you fail up?
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This is what this is teaching us.
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Yeah, it's insane.
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Hoffenberg later claimed in court documents and interviews that Epstein himself was the architect of the Ponzi scheme with the Tower Financial Company.
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Which maybe.
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Of course he was.
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What a fucking scammer.
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Although he might just be trying to like be like, oh, I didn't invent it.
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Exactly.
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It was the pedophile.
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Well, I don't think they know he's a pedophile at this point, but yes.
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I think everyone around him knows he's a pedophile, but the courts probably not the courts, not the public.
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Right.
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In August of 2018, there was a lawsuit, and former Towers investors alleged that the stolen$475 million had served as seed capital for Epstein's subsequent hedge fund, which they valued over time as a being worth$50 billion.
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:42.880
Whoa.
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:44.559
Yeah.
00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:50.240
Now that's fucking crazy because they should have seized those assets.
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Right.
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:57.200
And I I they I think they eventually did, but I mean he's obviously accessing that money over that time.
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Right, and exactly.
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Like they're see if they're seizing that after it's already grown to all that money, then they're taking a fraction.
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Now, following Epstein's 2019 arrest, Steven Hoffenberg publicly labeled Epstein as his uncharged co-conspirator and best friend, and said that he and Epstein had a special relationship, even going so far to claim that Epstein was the smartest person he knew.
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A weird time to be praising someone like that.
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:31.519
Yup.
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Now, strangely, Hoffenberg began connecting with Epstein victims after his release from prison.
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Hoffenberg allegedly revealed that he possessed knowledge of incriminating tapes that Epstein had collected, where Epstein and Maxwell recorded like the elites, these people, like their clients, for blackmail.
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He claimed he had a hell of a scam.
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Right.
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And that's why that's where some of the things, like when you're hearing like who's redacted from these files, some people are mentioned simply for blackmail purposes.
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They're not necessarily traveling to this island.
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Right.
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So but Hoffenberg claimed that the FBI had held on to those tapes since 2019 and never released them and he bear and that the FBI had buried them to protect powerful figures, which at this point we're well aware of.
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Right, like we all know that.
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That's what they do.
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Right.
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On August 23rd, 2022, police in Derby, Connecticut responded to a welfare check at Hoffenberg's apartment after a private investigator acting on behalf of a woman identifying herself as an Epstein victim reported that she hadn't been able to reach Hoffenberg for five days.
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What I find interesting, despite the fact that this woman's calling in the welfare check, is that he is at this point he's trying to work with the victims to fuck over Epstein.
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Right, and of course that's why he's gonna end up dead.
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Well, upon entering the apartment, officers discovered Hoffenberg's barg body in an advanced state of decomposition decomposition on the floor, and estimated that he had been dead for approximately one week.
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Yeah.
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Due to the body's condition, authorities initially could not positive positively identify him, but eventually confirmed his identity through dental records.
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Oh that's a level of decomposition.
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That's awful.
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So fucked up.
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The autopsy performed revealed that there was no evidence of trauma, and investigators noted there was no sign of a struggle, no forced entry or foul play, and suggested that Stephen had simply died alone in his modest one-bedroom apartment.
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From what though?
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Undetermined.
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Yeah, they're calling it natural causes, and they claim it's consistent with his poor self-care, including irregular eating and health neglect.
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Not a lot of detail.
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That's really sus.
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Super sus.
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See, this one more so than the others.
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Like Yeah, it's like that's not a real cause of death.
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It's so weird.
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It is so weird.
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And this is why I couldn't not I mean he's on here for an obvious reason, but like you can't just not include all these people.
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Yeah.
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It's fucking crazy.
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It's all really suspicious.
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Now, this next one, you may recognize the name.
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I you may not.
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I certainly recognize it because of what happened in the early 2000s.
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But it's Kenneth Starr.
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I do not Okay.
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You're gonna well, as we go, you're gonna hear why maybe I thought you might have known him.
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But Ken Starr was like it was a name that was everywhere in the early 2000s.
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And again, I know you were a child then, so.
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Who was he?
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A Backstreet Boy?
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No, no.
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So Kenneth Winston Starr was born on July 21st, 1946 in Texas to a middle class family.
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He had an impressive career in law.
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He worked for the Supreme Court from 1975 to 1977.
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He was a counselor to the Attorney General William French Smith.
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He had lots of connections to obviously high profile political people.
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He was appointed the U.S.
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Solicitor General by George H.W.
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Bush in 1989 and argued over 25 cases before the Supreme Court defending key administration policies.
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Powerful guy.
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Very powerful guy.
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Starr left the government in 1993 and entered private private practice at a place called Kirkland and Ellis, but his career peaked as an independent counsel investigating the Whitewater scandal from 1994, which involved Bill Clinton and the Monica Lewinsky affair.
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This guy was all over them.
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He was all over the news.
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He was the main push.
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That's why I thought you might have known who he was.
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Gotcha.
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No, I don't have any memory of the that trial.
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I guess that did happen during my life, didn't it?
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But I was so young.
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That's what I meant.
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You were a kid.
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Like I don't remember much about what happened in the late 70s from actual memory.
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Yeah, no one was telling me about Monica Lewinsky when I was five.
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Thank God.
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If someone had, it would have been you.
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And why would I do that?
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No, because no one else would tell me anything.
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That's true, but you were so young, there was no way.
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I was.
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Yeah, there's no good reason for that.
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Alright, so it's so funny.
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So he authored the 1980s, sorry, the 1998 Star Report that led to President Bill Clinton's impeachment.
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Wow.
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Yeah, so he was tangled up with the Clintons pretty hard.
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Pretty baller to have star as your last name.
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The Star Report.
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Right.
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And that's what I mean.
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When you hear it, you're like, we're talking about the Daily Star?
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:15.119
Are we talking about Right?
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Like that's kind of iconic, but I'm sure I hate him.
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I'm just guessing.
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Well, he's also deeply entangled with Jeffrey Epstein.
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They all are, man.
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Well, everyone on this list, certainly.
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:29.039
Well, yeah, that's true.
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Well, just so many people are.
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So Starr's association with Epstein emerged in 2007 when he was hired to represent Epstein amidst the mounting federal investigation into what he had done to teenage girls in Palm Beach, Florida.
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:54.239
As Epstein's defense lawyer, Kenneth Starr orchestrated a scorched earth strategy that was detailed in Julie K.
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Brown's 2021 book, Perversion of Justice, which involved aggressive tactics against the victims, witnesses, and even the Palm Palm Beach police detective Joe Ricari, who also died of cancer and could have been on this list.
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What the fuck?
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Really fucking weird.
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:29.599
Now Ken Starr went after Joe Ricari, basically trying to discredit him through like subpoenas and character attacks as Ricari was there as a you know a witness against Epstein.
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:33.119
I could have included Ricari, I probably should have.
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There wasn't a lot of information, but he definitely was after Epstein, he had information, and he died strangely, he died of cancer.
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So really fucking weird.
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Mm-hmm.
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:51.440
So Ken Starr also collaborated closely with the U.S.
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attorney and Epstein's other lawyers to negotiate that famous non-prosecution agreement where where he didn't really spend much time in prison for everything he's done.
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:04.079
Mm-hmm.
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:06.559
So yeah, Ken Starr is that kind of scum.
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:08.159
Disgusting fucking person.
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:09.360
Exactly.
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:19.039
So in 2019, after Epstein was rearrested, Ken Starr defended his role in interviews with the media.
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The stuff that he did back in the early 2000s.
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Oh yeah?
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:31.199
He frame he was trying to frame that plea deal as pragmatic resolutions given the evidence they had at the time.
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:33.360
Oh, fuck off.
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:34.400
Yeah.
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:47.599
So Ken Starr died on September 13th, 2022, after after succumbing to complications from an elective surgery in Houston, Texas.
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:48.880
Although he is old.
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He is.
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But his family issued a statement confirming the cause, noting that Starr had undergone the procedure and made a non-disclosed chronic illness.
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:10.320
No autopsies were ever mentioned in any reports, and the death certificate attributes his death to surgical aftermath.
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:26.480
Now, some people on are pointing the fingers at Clinton, that the Clintons for orchestrating Ken Starr's death as a revenge against Clinton's impeachment, but I don't think that's the likely side of it.
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No, I don't think so.
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He either really did die of what he died of, or with Gisl uh Ghlaine Maxwell's criminal thing happening, maybe it had to do with that more than certainly more than the Clintons.
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:44.239
Right.
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And also, like that would be a really belated revenge for the Clintons.
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:49.599
Right.
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:51.440
It's really fucking weird.
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:57.760
Like I feel like they just kind of have to accept like Clinton has to accept that he was impeached for a reason.
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I mean, there the evidence against him, the stupid shit he was doing and saying revolving around Monica Lewinsky, was just awful.
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:08.880
He deserves he deserved everything he got.
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:10.079
Exactly.
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:15.840
It wasn't like I mean, I'm sure like this guy was scathing and dug deep and maybe, I don't know, did some shit.
00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:19.760
But uh he deserved to be impeached.
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:20.639
Agreed.
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He did the thing.
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Agreed.
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And I might and even as a liberal democrat, I say if Clinton did anything to children, he deserves to be fucking punished.
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Absolutely.
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I think most people are on that side.
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:35.039
Right.
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:43.440
I don't care who the fuck you are, if you hurt children, if you are a rapist, get fucking punished.
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100% don't care if you're my hero.
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:47.280
Exactly.
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:49.119
100% agree with you.
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And also like Bill Clinton, as if I loved him anyway.
00:39:55.280 --> 00:40:02.639
Well, and I would argue for me, for like you said, even if it was your hero, like if I had to pick a hero from my youth, it would be someone like Gene Simmons.
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:06.880
And if Gene Simmons did that to children, then yeah, even as a rock star, I get it.
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:13.440
Maybe he did have a sex with like a 17-year-old here and there, because you know, you're on tour, you're not really IDing people.
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:14.000
Right?
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:22.079
But like if you were actively seeking out underage kids to abuse, then yeah, you deserve to be punished.
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:23.519
Abso fucking lutely.
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I don't and you're dead to me.
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:25.840
Right.
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:33.360
And if it comes if it did come out that he slept with a 15-year-old while on tour, well then you deserve to be punished.
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:34.719
Abso fucking lutely.
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:35.199
Yeah.
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:37.360
So regardless.
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:43.360
Alright, so the last person we're going to talk about in part two was named Mark Middleton.
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:47.039
And he also worked in the Clinton administration.
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He joined in 1993 as a special assistant in the White House and rose to the role of special advisor, where he facilitated high-level meetings and access for donors and influencers.
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:06.000
So he was basically helping people come in to work with the Clintons.
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:19.840
His association with Epstein began in the 90s when he authorized at least seven of Epstein's 17 documented White House visits between 93 and 95.
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:23.119
Exactly.
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:32.559
Middleton himself often signed Jeffrey Epstein into the White House personally for his meetings with Bill Clinton and other officials.
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:48.880
Flight logs revealed that Middleton had traveled on Epstein's private jet at least once, which further intertwined their professional and social circles amidst the reputation that Epstein was creating.
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:50.079
Mm-hmm.
00:41:51.760 --> 00:42:06.159
After leaving the White House in ninety five, Middleton founded Aetna Consulting, a lobbying firm that represented foreign entities, including the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Kazakhstan's interests.
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:07.679
Oh great.
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:15.519
He was amassing wealth through international deals while maintaining ties to the Clinton World alumni.
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:17.440
Mm-hmm.
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:35.280
However, on May 7th, 2022, 59-year-old Mark Middleton was discovered deceased at the Heifer Ranch, a nonprofit cattle farm in Perryville, Arkansas, approximately 50 miles from his home in Little Rock.
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:42.960
Middleton has had no prior connections to this ranch, so he specifically went there to meet someone.
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:46.320
Middleton weird.
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:55.199
Middleton was found hanging by an extension cord in an apparent suicide with a gunshot wound to his chest.
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:58.719
That's a weird suicide.
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:10.719
How do you hang yourself and shoot yourself at the same time?
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:12.239
I don't know.
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:20.079
You'd have to be hanging there and be able to somehow not be freaking out and control the gun to do it.
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.079
Yeah, that's just weird.
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:32.880
Arkansas State Crime Lab conducted an autopsy that allegedly confirmed the cause of death was suicide by a combination of hanging and gunshot blast.
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:36.880
He had no weird.
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:43.679
Yeah, and he had no illicit illicit substances or alcohol in his system at the time of his death.
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:44.960
Hmm.
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:46.400
Yep.
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:48.079
Weird.
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:51.599
I'm telling you, this there, and there's more to go.
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:52.800
This is just the end of part two.
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:54.880
We still have one more part to go.
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:59.440
And um, I'm saving the biggest one for last, because that's just crazy.
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:01.840
Or the last part, I should say.
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:08.159
Um, but yeah, there's um it it's too coincidental.
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:14.480
Yeah, it's all just so weird, and some of them it's like, yeah, okay, but there's just so many of them.
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.119
And and again, we're not even done.
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:18.400
Yeah.
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:30.800
So either these people know things that even we aren't aware of and may never now be aware of, or it's just the weirdest coincidence in the history of coincidences.
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:31.599
Mm-hmm.
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:35.119
And some of them may just be that.
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:42.320
But yeah, it's I mean, yes, and of course, some will just be a coincidence.
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:45.039
But that doesn't mean that it's many of them.
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:47.119
It's just it's so fucked up.
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:57.599
I don't even know how to begin to wrap my head around it because it's such a big conspiracy, even if only 20% of what we're talking about is true.
00:44:58.000 --> 00:44:58.639
Right.
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:00.000
Yeah.
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:07.679
Well, I know I'm gonna need to go figure out how you would cause someone to get cancer, and I'm gonna end up on a list, but I need to understand.
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:12.079
I mean, maybe those people, it's just a coincidence.
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:18.159
And I'm hoping it is, because if we have the means of giving people cancer, I'm terrified.
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:22.800
Well, I mean, there's certainly things that you can do to really increase someone's risk.
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:26.960
Like, there's a lot of substances that are actively cancer-causing.
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:28.159
Like, true.
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:30.639
One of the substances I I work with.
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:32.639
Well, I don't have to work directly with it, thank God.
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:44.320
But one of the things some of the things we use to sterilize things, like so that they could be used in the human body, they have to be the most murderous substances in existence.
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:50.159
And some of them work by just straight up blasting DNA, which is how you cause cancer.
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:53.199
So but I don't know how quickly that can cause cancer.
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:53.920
Weird.
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:54.320
Okay.
00:45:54.480 --> 00:46:03.679
I mean, I maybe I know like radiation, exposure to certain radiations, and there's a lot of ways, but like I was just I I just suddenly imagine like X-files kind of shit.
00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:07.280
Like they drop something in your coffee, and the next thing you know, you have fucking cancer.
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:08.719
Right, that would be nuts.
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:09.599
That's what I'm saying.
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:11.199
That would be bad.
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:13.360
Yeah, it'd be really bad.
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:16.639
All right, but um, so yeah, so next week we will wrap this up.
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Thank you everyone for joining us.
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Once again, I'm Janice Dead.
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And I'm Joyce Dead.
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And we'll see you next week.
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Bye.
