"Tom Johnson"

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This episode contains graphic content that may not be suitable
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for all ages. Listener discretion is advised. If you or
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someone you know is struggling or in crisis, help is available,
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call or text nine eight eight, or chat with someone
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at nine eight eight lifeline dot org. Those outside of
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the US, reach out to someone at your local crisis
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center or hotline. Please do not suffer in silence. In
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September of nineteen ninety two, a small music and video
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production company in Nashville, Tennessee, placed two classified advertisements in
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a local trade publication called the Trader's Post. The company
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was called the Halsey Company, and they were selling a
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piece of equipment that, in nineteen ninety two was about
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as high end as consumer technology got. It was an
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Apple Macintosh Quadrant fifty computer system, complete with a twenty
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four inch high resolution color monitor. The system was used
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for desktop publishing and videotape editing. The asking price was
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around twenty four thousand dollars or best offer, though the
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final sale price would end up being negotiated to thirty
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one thousand. Let me say that again, thirty one thousand
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dollars in nineteen ninety two money for a computer To
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put that in context, the median household income in the
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United States that year was about thirty thousand dollars. This
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was a machine built for professional grade work, and it
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costs more than most Americans earned in a year. You
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could buy a new car for less. Hell, you could
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put a down payment on a house. Back in nineteen
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ninety two, selling something this expensive meant advertising in trade
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publications and waiting for the phone to ring. There was
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no eBay, no Facebook marketplace, no Craigslist, nothing really with
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buyer ratings and sellar protections and PayPal holding funds in
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escrow until delivery was confirmed. Back then, you just placed
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a classified ad, someone called you, and you arranged to
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meet a stranger to exchange a very expensive piece of
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equipment for a very large check or cash if you
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could get it. The entire transaction was built on trust,
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on the assumption that both parties were who they said
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they were. The Halsey Company put a twenty two year
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old named Jeremy Rolfs in charge of the sale. Jeremy
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was a part time videotape editor for the company and
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a senior at Middle Tennessee State University in Murphysboro, where
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he was majoring in mass communications. He was young and
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bright and a technical prodigy. He managed the student television
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station at MTSU, running nightly newscast and original programming. People
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who knew him described him as a talented super genius
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who kept things running smoothly. He was also engaged to
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another student from MTSU, a twenty two year old English
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major named Heather Offelman. Heather worked at the school's radio station,
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w MOT, and she tutored in the developmental studies writing lab.
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The people who knew her said that she was one
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of the nicest people you could ever meet. Her greatest joy,
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by all accounts, was helping others. She and Jeremy had
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met while working at the student television station. They had
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since fallen in love and gotten engaged. They were planning
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a wedding for the following spring. On October seventh, nineteen
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ninety two, a man called the Halsey Company in response
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to one of the classified ads. He said he was
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a freelance computer programmer and a database consultant. He sounded professional.
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He asked detailed, knowledgeable questions about the system, the kind
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of questions only someone who genuinely understood computers would ask.
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Over the following days, Jeremy met with this man several times,
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first in Nashville for a demonstration of the computer and
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its operating system, and then in Murphysboro to answer additional questions.
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The man was cordial and articulate. He was clearly familiar
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with the technology. Everything about him suggested that he was
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a serious buyer. After some haggling, a price was agreed
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upon thirty one thousand dollars. The man asked that the
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equipment be delivered to his office in Marietta, Georgia, a
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suburb of Atlanta, about two hundred and thirty miles south
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of Nashville. The Halsey Company agreed, and Jeremy was assigned
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to make this delivery. The man he was delivering this
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computer system too, called himself Tom Johnson, but as Jeremy
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would soon learn, that was not his real name. Welcome
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to Unresolved. I'm your host, Michael Wheelan. If this is
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let's get back into today's story. The original plan was
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for Jeremy to deliver the computer to Tom Johnson's office,
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which Johnson said was located in an industrial park in Marietta, Georgia,
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But shortly before the delivery date, Johnson called and changed
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the arrangement. He said the directions to the industrial park
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were complicated and difficult to follow. He suggested they meet
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at a motel instead, a night's in off of Interstate
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seventy five in Marietta, and go from there. Jeremy did
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not think much of it. He had spent plenty of
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time wandering through industrial parks looking for unmarked addresses. Meeting
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at a motel first seemed reasonable enough. In nineteen ninety two,
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this kind of arrangement did not carry the same red
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flags that it might carry today. If a person said
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they were a freelance computer prob Grammar with an office
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in an industrial park, you either believed them or you didn't.
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And this Tom Johnson had given Jeremy Rolfs no reason
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not to believe him. He had seemed legitimate, pleasant across
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multiple meetings. Because of other work projects, Jeremy planned to
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make the two hundred and thirty mile drive overnight. He
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had been working for roughly thirty hours on another project
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and was exhausted. His fiance, Heather, decided to come along,
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partly because they enjoyed taking trips together and partly because
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she was worried that he would fall asleep at the
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wheel if he went alone. So at one thirty in
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the morning on October twenty fourth, nineteen ninety two, Jeremy
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and Heather loaded the Apple Quadron nine to fifty into
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their car and set off from Murphysboro, Tennessee, for Marietta, Georgia.
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It was a six hour drive. Heather did most of
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the driving while Jeremy tried to rest. Jeremy and Heather
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arrived at the Night's Inn motel in Marietta at approximately
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seven thirty in the morning on October twenty fourth. They
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had driven through the night. They were tired, but they
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were there and the transaction was almost complete. They went
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to room three thirty two, which was registered to Tom Johnson.
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Johnson greeted them and explained that his business partner would
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be arriving shortly with a certified check for the computer.
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He said it would be somewhere between thirty and forty
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five minutes. Jeremy and Heather decided to go get breakfast
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while they waited. There was a Denny's nearby. They left
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the motel and ate breakfast, then returned. About half an
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hour later. Tom Johnson's business partner still hadn't arrived. Johnson
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told them he had spoken to his partner by phone
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and that the partner was on his way and would
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be there shortly. Johnson suggested that they go ahead and
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load the computer into his car while they waited. His
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car was a dark colored Dodge Dynasty with Tennessee license plates.
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Either black cherry or dark brown with a red interior.
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Jeremy and Heather helped him load the equipment. At this point,
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it was approximately eight o'clock in the morning. The three
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of them then returned to the motel room. They made
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small talk for about twenty minutes, mostly discussing the impact
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of computers on society and how they were changing the
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world back then in nineteen ninety two. I bet they
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had no idea. The man that Jeremy and Heather were
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talking to, Tom Johnson, seemed warm and friendly. Throughout their conversation.
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He continued to display his impressive knowledge of computers and
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computing systems. Nothing about his behavior was alarming. After about
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twenty minutes, though, Jeremy told Tom Johnson that if his
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business partner did not arrive soon, they would have to
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cancel the sale. After all, they had driven through the night,
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they were tired, they needed to get back. It was
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at this moment that Tom Johnson's demeanor changed completely. The
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strange man pulled a small caliber handgun and pointed it
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at Jeremy and Heather. He ordered them to pull the
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bedspreads off of the beds and to roll themselves up
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in them. They complied. Johnson had Jeremy turn so that
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he was facing away from Heather. Then Jeremy heard a
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loud buzzing in his ear and the room began to spin.
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Johnson had struck him in the back of the head
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with something. As he would find out, it was a
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claw hammer, still wrapped in its original plastic packaging. Jeremy
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went down but remained conscious. Tom Johnson then turned to
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Heather and struck her with the hammer. Heather began screaming. Jeremy,
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disoriented and bleeding, told Heather to stop screaming, believing that
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if she was quiet, Tom Johnson would just take what
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he wanted and leave. Instead, Tom Johnson came back to
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Jeremy and hit him in the head several more times.
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Then he returned to Heather. Jeremy remained conscious through the
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entire attack. He couldn't move, but he could see, and
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what he saw was Tom Johnson, after he had finished
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with Heather, calmly walking to the motel room counter and
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dusting it to remove fingerprints. This man had just beaten
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two people nearly to death with a hammer, and his
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immediate next step was to methodically wipe down surfaces. This
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was clearly someone who had planned for this exact moment
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and was executing a checklist. As soon as Tom Johnson
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left the room, Jeremy worked to free himself from the bedspread.
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He was covered in blood. He crawled over to Heather
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and told her that he was going to get help,
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that they were going to be all right. What he
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saw when he reached her would haunt him for the
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rest of his life. Jeremy staggered out of the motel room,
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bloodied and barely able to stand. A motel maid saw
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him and called nine one one. Jeremy and Heather were
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both rushed to the hospital. Heather Offelmann was pronounced dead
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just a few hours later, at around twelve thirty in
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the afternoon. She never regained consciousness after the attack. Jeremy
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was released from the hospital three days later, ter on
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October twenty seventh. He survived, but suffered vertigo and partial
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hearing loss as a result of the hammer blows to
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his head. The physical injuries would heal mostly the psychological
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ones never would. The murder weapon was found on the
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floor of room three thirty two, a claw hammer, still
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wrapped in its original plastic packaging, with no fingerprints on it.
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A card identifying the hammer's weight and its skew number.
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The stock keeping unit number assigned by the retailers was
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still attached, but investigators were unable to identify the store
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where it had been purchased. No fingerprints were found anywhere
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in the room. It seems that the man calling himself
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Tom Johnson had been thorough. Investigators would note several unusual
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aspects of the crime. The attacker had allowed himself to
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be seen in the parking lot of a busy motel
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during broad daylight. He had displayed a handgun, but chose
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not to use it as the murder weapon, instead opting
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for a hammer, a more personal, more violent method of
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killing that carried a higher risk of the victim surviving,
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but also a quieter one. He had loaded the computer
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into his car before the attack, in full view of
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anyone who might have been looking it. Had also meticulously
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wiped the room for fingerprints before leaving. The whole thing
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suggested a level of planning that was chilling in its calculation.
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But there was a detail from earlier that morning that
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investigators found deeply troubling. The manager of the nights in
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motel told police about something that had happened approximately an
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hour before the attack. While Jeremy and Heather were at
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the Dennis having breakfast, a woman had come to the
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motel's front do complaining about excessive noise coming from the
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room registered to this Tom Johnson. The front desk clerk
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dismissed it as a domestic dispute and did not investigate. Separately,
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another motel guest reported seeing a man and a woman
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enter Room three thirty two together. Investigators believed that this
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woman may have been an accomplice, someone who is involved
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in the scheme and who may have tried to intervene
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or abort the plan when she realized Tom Johnson intended
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to commit violence. The noise complaint, if it came from her,
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could have been a paniced attempt to get someone to
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come to the room and disrupt whatever was about to happen,
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or it could have been the sound of a confrontation
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between two people who disagreed about how far the plan
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was supposed to go. Either way, the front desk clerk's
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decision to dismiss the complaint as a domestic dispute and
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not investigate may have been a missed opportunity to prevent
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what came next. This woman was never identified. If she
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was an accomplice, she has kept her silence for more
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than three decades now. If she was a bystander or
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an unwilling participant, she may be carrying a burden that
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could help solve a murder. And there was another troubling
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detail that investigators would soon learn. One week before the
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attack on Jeremy and Heather, a man calling himself Tom
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Johnson had made a similar arrangement for the purchase of
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another computer from a different seller. He had also set
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up a meeting, but never showed. Investigators believed that he
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may have been working up the nerve, testing the plan,
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rehearsing the logistics, before backing out at the last moment
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before going through with it. This detail has always struck
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me as one of the most revealing pieces of evidence
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in this entire case. I think it tells us something
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about the psychology of the attacker. This was someone who
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had to build up to it. He had the plan,
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the alias, maybe even the hammer already, and the first
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time he couldn't do it, he drove to wherever the
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meeting was supposed to happen, and he turned around and
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went home. A week later he tried again, and even
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then he had to stall moremultiple times because it seems
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like he couldn't build up the courage to just do it,
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but then eventually he went through with it. To me,
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that suggests a person who was conflicted about what he
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was about to do, but not conflicted enough to stop
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the loss of Heather Uffelman devastated her family, her friends,
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and the MPSU community. She was a senior who was
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just weeks away from graduating with a degree in English.
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She was engaged to be married. She was a twenty
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two year old who, by every account, was orienting her
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entire life around helping other people. She tutored students who
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were struggling with writing. She worked at the campus radio station.
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She drove through the night to keep the person she
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loved most from falling asleep at the wheel. The town
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of Marietta, Georgia, was also shaken by the crime. Local
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newspapers ran headlines about the shocking murder at the night's
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in motel one that many writsidents drove past every day.
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The idea that someone had been beaten to death with
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a hammer in a motel room off the interstate in
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broad daylight while other guests were sleeping or ate breakfast
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just feet away was profoundly unsettling for Jeremy, though. The
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aftermath was awaking nightmare. He had survived the initial attack,
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but he carried the physical and psychological scars of what
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had happened in that motel room. He had been conscious
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for the entire assault. He had heard Heather screaming, He
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had seen what was done to her, and he had
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been unable to stop it. He had told her to
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stop screaming, believing it would make the attacker leave. Instead,
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it hadn't made any difference. He would live with that
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for the rest of his life. On December twentieth, nineteen
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ninety two, less than two months after the attack, Jeremy
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wrote an essay for the Tennesseean newspaper titled When It
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Happens to You. In it, he wrote about the experience
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of becoming a crime victim, about the way people read
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stories like his and assume they'll always happen to someone else.
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He wrote about Heather's greatest joy being the act of
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helping others about a memorial scholarship they had created in
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her name at mtsu'd help students who wanted to go
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to college, but could not afford it. He wrote about
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wanting to be helpless no more. Jeremy and Heather's families
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established the Heather Offfulman Memorial Scholarship at Middle Tennessee State University.
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It would be awarded to students in need of financial aid,
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the kind of people that Heather had spent her young
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life trying to help. The investigation into Heather's murder and
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the assault on Jeremy was aggressive but frustrating. Investigators had
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a surviving victim who could describe the attacker with pretty
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decent detail. As a result, they had a composite sketch
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put together. They also had a description of the suspects
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car a dark Dodge Dynasty with Tennessee plates. They had
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the skew number from the hammer. They had testimony from
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the motel desk clerk who had gotten a good look
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at the man who checked in as Tom Johnson. Based
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on Jeremy's recollections and sightings by motel personnel and other guests,
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the man calling himself Tom Johnson appeared to be in
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his twenties or early thirties. He stood approximately six feet
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tall and weighed between one hundred and sixty and one
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hundred and seventy five pounds. He had sandy brown hair
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and sometimes wore glasses. He had no Southern accent. At
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the time of the attack, he was wearing an expensive
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pair of boots made of either snake or alligator skin.
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Investigators attempted to track the sales of hundreds of Apple
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Quadron nine to fifty computers, trying to find one that
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might have been resold by the killer. They couldn't trace
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any of them to the crime. The computer was never recovered.
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Its CPU serial number F six two one sixty four
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j W six seven one one was circulated to law
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enforcement agencies in computer retailers, but nothing came back. If
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Johnson resold the computer, he did so in a way
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that left no trail. If he kept it, he kept
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it hidden. And if he destroyed it. If thirty one
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thousand dollars worth of equipment was simply discarded, then the
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entire crime was committed for nothing more than the act
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of committing it. That possibility is more disturbing than it
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might initially seem. If the computer was the motive, then
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the attack was a calculated robbery gone to its violent extreme.
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But if the computer was never resold. If the money
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was never realized, then the question shifts. Was the computer
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the real target or was the violence itself? The point?
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Was Tom Johnson a thief who killed to cover his
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tracks or was he something else entirely? The case was
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featured on Unsolved Mysteries in April of nineteen eighty four,
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which generated tips but led no breakthrough. A ten thousand
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dollars reward was offered for information leading to the identification
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and arrest of Tom Johnson, and then in the spring
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of nineteen ninety four, right around the time that Unsolved
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Mystery segment aired, in fact, something happened that made investigators
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take a very hard look at a man named Thomas E.
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Steeples.
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On the evening of March seventh, nineteen ninety four, about
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seventeen months after Heather Uffelman's murder, a young married couple
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walked into a bar called the Stagecoach Lounge in Nashville, Tennessee.
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Their names were Rob and Kelly Phillips. Rob was twenty four,
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Kelly was twenty eight. They were newlywed who had driven
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over two thousand miles from San Diego, California, to Nashville
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in a battered old GMC pickup truck. Rob was an
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aspiring country musician, a Navy veteran who had served aboard
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the aircraft carrier USSU Constellation before deciding to pursue a
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career as a singer guitarist. His wife, Kelly believed in
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him completely. They had arrived in Nashville that afternoon with
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almost no money, running on dreams and fumes. The couple
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had already been burned once on the road. Before reaching Tennessee.
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They had been scammed by someone who held Rob at
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gunpoint and demanded four thousand dollars, money that a tearful
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Kelly had to have her family wire. Their family's nest
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egg was gone. They were personally down to their last
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few dollars, but Robin Kelly still trusted people. They still
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believed in their dream. They had come to Nashville to
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make it, and nothing that had happened so far had
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shaken that faith. They checked into an Ocono Lodge motel
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on Murphysborough Road. The sign out front read where the
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stars stay. To Rob, it was a good omen. Kelly
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agreed that evening the Stagecoach Lounge was hosting an open
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mic amateur talent night. Rob took the stage with his
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Yamaha acoustic guitar and performed some country covers. Kelly sat
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at a table in the front row and beamed. This
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was exactly why they had come out to Nashville. This
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was the opening night of their dream. Sitting near Kelly
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was a middle aged man who introduced himself as a
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record producer. He was charming and complimentary about Rob's talents.
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He bought them drinks. Round after round of drinks, He
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talked about getting Rob's studio time, about introducing him to
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the right people in the Nashville music scene. He elicited
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details about where they were staying, what room they were in.
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The man's name was Tom Steeples. He was not a
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record producer. In fact, he was the owner of a
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small computer company. He also had a history that if
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Robin Kelly had known about, it would have sent them
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running from that bar. After about two hours of buttering
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up the young couple, Steeples said good night and told
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them that he would call their room when he had
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more deep detales about studio time. Rob and Kelly went
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back to Room one twelve at the Econo Lodge, elated.
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They had been in Nashville for less than twelve hours,
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and it already seemed like Rob was about to get
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his big break. When the motel chambermaid opened the door
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for her housekeeping round the next morning, Tuesday, March eighth,
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at approximately nine o'clock in the morning, she found a
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scene of absolute horror. Rob and Kelly Phillips were both dead.
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They had been beaten to death with a plunt object.
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Kelly had been sexually assaulted. She had ligature marks on
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her wrist, she had been tied up. The evidence suggested
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that whoever killed them had forced Kelly to watch as
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he bludgeoned Rob to death before raping her and beating
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her to death as well. The investigation into the Phillips
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murder initially moved slowly, but in May nineteen ninety four,
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DNA evidence from the crime scene was matched to one
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Thomas E. Scheeple's body. Fluid samples taken from Steeples with
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a search warrant were linked through DNA analysis to evidence
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found in the Econo lodge room. By this point, Steeples
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was already under investigation for another murder. On October seventeenth,
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nineteen ninety three, roughly one year after Heather Offelman's murder
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and five months before the Phillips killings. A passing driver
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had noticed smoke coming from a Nashville bar called The
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Corral Club at around five o'clock in the morning. When
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police arrived, they found the bar's owner, forty six year
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old Ronnie Bingham, seated on a chair that had been
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set on fire. The rest of the bar was untouched.
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Only Bingham and the chair beneath him were burning. A
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gas can sat nearby. An autopsy revealed Bingham had been
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shot to death before being set ablaze. A thirty eight
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caliber bullet was found lodged in the left side of
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his neck. The fire had been set to destroy evidence,
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not to burn down the building. A customer at the
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bar told police that when he had left at around
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one a m. Only two people remained, Ronnie Bingham and
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another man he recalled being named Tom. At the scene,
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police found the business card of Tom Steeples, a detail
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so brazen it almost defies belief. Investigators determined that Steeples
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had been trying to sell computer software to Bingham. Some
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accounts suggest that the two had previously been business partners
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and that the relationship had soured. Police located a man
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who said he had sold Tom Steeples a thirty eight
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caliber handgun approximately one month before Ronnie Bingham's murder. This
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man had previously fired the gun in his backyard, and
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a projectile recovered from a tree stump was found to
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match the ballistics of the bullet that killed Ronnie Bingham.
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By the summer of nineteen ninety four, Tom Steeples was
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charged with three murders, Ronnie Bingham, Rob Phillips, and Kelly Phillips.
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He was also charged with the rape of Kelly Phillips.
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Nashville Police detective Bill Pridemore Junior summed up the department's
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assessment of Steeples. He is a cold, the blooded man.
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Steeples had been arrested after a short pursuit during which
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police found crack cocaine in his car. His drug habit,
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his gambling debts, and his increasingly reckless behavior all pointed
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to a man whose life was spiraling out of control
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and who seemed to be leaving bodies in his wake.
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This is where investigators looking at the Heather Offfelman case
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sat up and started to pay attention the similarities between
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the attack on Jeremy Rolf's and Heather Affelman in Marrietta, Georgia,
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and the murders of Rob and Kelly Phillips in Nashville,
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Tennessee were striking. In both cases, a couple was killed
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inside of a motel room. In both cases, the attacker
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used a blunt object to beat the victims, and in
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both cases the perpetrator used charm and deception to gain
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the victim's trust before attacking. And then there were the
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specifics about Tom Steeples himself. I mean, right off the bat,
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his first name was Tom, the same first name used
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by the man who called himself Tom Johnson. He owned
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a computer company in Nashville, the same city where Tom
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Johnson had answered the classified ad for the Apple Quadron
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nine fifty. He was knowledgeable about computers. He bore a
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resemblance to the composite sketch of Tom Johnson. His body
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structure was similar to the description that Jeremy Rolfs had given.
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The car Tom Johnson had been driving had Tennessee license plates.
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Steeples was from Tennessee. The pattern of behavior also seemed
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eerily consistent. He was a man who operated through deception,
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presenting himself as something he wasn't. A record producer, a
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computer consultant, a business man. The real Tom Steeples was
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a crack addict with a gambling problem, a violent criminal history,
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and a growing desperation for money. But this leads us
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to one of the most frustrating aspects of the entire case.
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According to reports, investigators did not consider Tom Steeples a
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viable suspect in the heather Offfelman case, primarily because of
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his age. Tom Johnson had appeared to be in his
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twenties or early thirties. Tom Steeples, though, was born in
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nineteen forty four, which would have made him at least
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forty seven years old at the time of the Marietta attack,
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significantly older than the man Jeremy and the motel staff
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had described. But age estimation by witnesses is notoriously unreliable,
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particularly under stressful circumstances or when the observer is young.
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A twenty two year old estimating a stranger's age after
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being awake for thirty plus hours might easily misjudged by
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ten or fifteen years, and Tom Steeples, based on available photographs,
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was not a man who looked obviously middle aged. The
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resemblance to the composite sketch was noted by multiple people
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who examined both images. No forensic evidence linked Tom Steeples
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to the Heather Uffelman crime scene. Articles from the Tennesseean
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in nineteen ninety four state plainly the investigators did not
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consider him a suspect. But the absence of forensic evidence
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in a case where the attacker meticulously wiped down every
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surface in the room before leaving is not the same
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as exculpatory evidence. It tells us that the man calling
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himself Tom Johnson was careful. To understand why so many
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people who have followed this case remained unsatisfied with that conclusion,
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you need to understand who Tom Steeples was. Thomas E.
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Steeples was born in November nineteen forty four in Nashville, Tennessee.
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On the surface, he appeared to be a successful businessman,
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a married father of two who owned a computer company.
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He was articulate and socially adept. He could walk into
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a bar and charm a young couple into believing that
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he was a record producer, or set across from a
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college student, and convincingly discussed database consulting. He was, by
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all accounts, a skilled manipulator, a man who could project
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whatever version of himself a city situation required, but beneath
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that surface was something much darker. Steeples had a documented
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history of violence against women, stretching back nearly twenty years,
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and a pattern of behavior that in retrospect looks like
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a textbook escalation from assault to rape to murder. In
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nineteen seventy five, Steeples was arrested in Memphis after attacking
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a woman and her date. The woman told police that
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Steeples beat her and raped her in a van next
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to his apartment. For reasons that are not entirely clear,
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the charge was reduced from rape to assault. Steeples pleaded
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guilty and was sentenced to just one year in jail.
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When Steeples's wife, Tilly, filed for divorce in nineteen eighty one,
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she made a series of alarming allegations. She said that
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her estranged husband had beaten and attempted to rape a
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young woman in a makeshift teepee behind the couple's home
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in Mount Juliet, Tennessee. When Tilly found him in the act,
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she said he beat her and nearly choked her to death.
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Did not report the incident to police, saying that she
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was afraid of her husband. The young woman apparently felt
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the same way. No criminal charges were ever filed. Tilly
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also alleged in her divorce petition that Steeples bragged to
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her about frequently having sex with prostitutes who gave him
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venereal diseases that he then transmitted to Tilly. Steeples was
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also battling addictions to alcohol, cocaine, and gambling. These addictions
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were expensive, and they appeared to have been a driving
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factor behind his escalating criminal behavior. By nineteen ninety two,
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Steeples was a man with violent tendencies, a drug habit,
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and a desperate need for money. He also knew computers.
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On August tenth, nineteen eighty four, while in jail on
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drug charges and awaiting trial on the three murder charges,
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Tom Steeples was found dead in his cell. The cause
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of death was a cop caine induced heart attack. The
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circumstances of his death were unusual, to say the least.
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Investigators determined that the lethal dose of cocaine had been
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supplied too Steeples by his ex wife Tilly, the same
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woman who had filed for divorce from him three years earlier,
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who had described his violence and sexual predation in court documents.
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Despite the divorce filing, the two were still legally married,
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just separated. Tilly had mailed a package to another inmate
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at the jail, a man named Michael Evans. The package
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contained clothing with crack cocaine concealed inside. Evans provided the
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drug to Steeples. Steeples consumed it and died. Tilly had
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reportedly told acquaintances beforehand that her jailed husband was going
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to commit suicide and that she would collect his five
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hundred and eighty thousand dollars life insurance policy. I guess
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it was, in the most literal sense, an assisted suicide,
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orchestrated by a wife who stood a profit from her
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husband death and facilitated through the smuggling of narcotics into
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a county jail. But Tilly was eventually sentenced to six
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years in prison for her role, and I doubt she
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ever got that life insurance money. But with Tom Steeples
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now dead, the three murder charges died with him. He
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was never tried or convicted. The families of Ronnie Bingham
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and Rob and Kelly Phillips were denied the closure of
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a courtroom verdict and Steeples was never officially connected to
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the attack on Jeremy Rolf's and Heather Offelman. Meanwhile, the
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story of Tilly Steeples did not end with her prison
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sentence for the assisted suicide. After serving her time, she
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was later convicted in a separate fraud scheme that earned
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her seventy months in federal prison and nine million dollars
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in restitution. She used a phony name to help run
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a securities company. Her status as a convicted felon apparently
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no obstacle. So was Tom Steeples, the man who called
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himself Tom Johnson. There are compelling reasons to think that
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he might have been. The m was strikingly similar, luring
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victims to motel rooms with a ruse, then attacking them
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with a blunt object. There was also the computer connection,
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the Tennessee connection, the first name, the physical resemblance to
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the composite sketch. The timeline Heather's murder in October nineteen
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eighty two, Ronnie Bingham's murder in October nineteen eighty three,
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than the Phillips murders in March nineteen ninety four suggest
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an escalating pattern of violence from a man who is
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becoming more brazen and more dangerous with each crime. But
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there are also significant problems with the theory, the age
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discrepancy being the most obvious one. According to all of
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the witness reports, Tom Johnson appeared to be in his
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twenties or early thirties. Tom Steeples was forty seven. Some
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people look younger than their age, but looking twenty years
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younger is a stretch. Jeremy Rolfs had spent hours with
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this man over multiple meetings in Nashville, in Murphy's Borough,
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and then in Marietta. He had ample opportunity to observe him,
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and while Jeremy wanted to view photos of Tom Steeples,
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police apparently did not arrange this, so we don't know
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what Jeremy's reaction would have been. No forensic evidence tied
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Tom Steeples to the Marrietta crime scene. No physical evidence,
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no fingerprints, no DNA, no trace of the stolen computer
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ever connected him to the attack. It was reported that
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Tom Johnson spoke with no Southern accent. Tom Steeples was
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born and raised in Nashville. Now, he very well might
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not have had a Southern accent. I don't know that,
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but considering he died thirty something years ago. It's kind
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of hard to go back and find audio of him.
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There is also one more thing that doesn't quite fit.
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In the attack on Jeremy and Heather, the assailant used
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a gun to control the victims, but a hammer to
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attack them. In the Phillips murders, the victims were also
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beaten with a blunt object, but Steeples also sexually assaulted
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Kelly Phillips and bound with ligatures. The sexual component was
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central to that attack. In fact, it appears to have
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been the primary motivation. There was no sexual component reported
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in the Uffelman attack. A Marietta crime appears to have
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been purely motivated by theft. The computer was the target,
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not Jeremy or Heather, who it seems was a last
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minute addition that Tom Johnson might not have been prepared for.
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The Nashville crime appears to have been motivated by predatory
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sexual violence, with the ruse of the music career serving
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as the bait to get close to the victims. At
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the end of the day, these are meaningfully different crimes,
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even if they do share some surface similarities. The question
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is whether those differences are significant enough to suggest different perpetrators,
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or whether they simply reflect a predator adapting his methods
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to different circumstanceances in different targets, perhaps one growing more
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reckless as the days go by. If Tom Steeples was
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not Tom Johnson, then the real killer is still unidentified
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and the window for identifying him has narrowed considerably. Jeremy Rolfs,
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the only surviving witness who could identify the attacker, did
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not live to see this case resolved. After graduating from
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Middle Tennessee State University, Jeremy joined the Peace Corps as
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a telecommunications advisor to the Ministry of Information for the
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Kingdom of Lesotho, a small country entirely surrounded by South Africa.
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He wanted to contribute to help people, like Heather would have.
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He wanted to apply his telecommunication skills in a place
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where they could make a difference. The people who knew
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him said that he had always wanted to join the
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Peace Corps. Sadly, on March thirty first, nineteen ninety seven,
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Jeremy was killed in an automobile accident in Windberg, South Africa.
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He was hit head on by a driver who had
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apparently fallen asleep at the wheel his mother, Alma, who
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had been visiting him, was a passenger in the car.
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She was injured but survived. Jeremy Rolfs was twenty seven
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years old at the time of his death. In the
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years that followed, Jeremy's mother, Alma poured her grief into
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poetry and into correspondence with other families who had lost
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loved ones in the Peace Corps. Her letters became a
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lifeline for other parents navigating the same unimaginable loss. One
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woman who corresponded with Almah for years wrote that emptying
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their souls to each other in those letters was the
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biggest help she had in the early years of her
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own grief. They had never met in person, they lived
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on opposite coast, but they understood each other in a
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way that almost no one else could. Colleagues who had
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worked with Jeremy at the MPSU radio station remembered coming
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back to his page on the Fallen Peace Corps Volunteer's
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Memorial project year after year, reading the story and poems
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left in his memory. One person wrote, I just can't
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seem to get you off my mind. For some reason,
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I've been thinking about you and Heather more and more.
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I'm remembering how precious the two of you were together.
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The two people who had loved each other most, who
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had driven through the night together on a routine delivery,
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who had been planning their wedding, who had sat in
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a Denny's and Marietta eating breakfast while the stranger prepared
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to kill them, were both dead before either of them
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turned thirty. One was murdered, the other survived that attack,
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dedicated himself to service, and was killed by a sleeping
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driver on a South African highway. Five years later, one
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of Jeremy's teachers established the Jeremy Rolf's Memorial Scholarship Fund
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at MPSU, so now there were two scholarships, one for Heather,
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one for Jeremy, created in memory of two young people
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whose greatest shared trait was their desire to help others.
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The attack on Jeremy Rolf's in the murder of Heather
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Effelman remains officially unsolved. It is classified as an open
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investigation with the Marietta, Georgia Police Department. Over the years,
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various true crime podcasts, blogs, and online communities have revisited
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the case, and the discussion always comes back to the
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same unresolvable question. Was this the work of Tom Steeples
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or someone else. Amateur investigators have noted the resemblance between
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Tom steeples known photograph and the composite sketch. Others have
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pointed to the Dodge dynasty with Tennessee plates, a detail
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that could theoretically be cross referenced with vehicle registration records
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from the era, though whether such records still exist is
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an open question. There are those who believe that Then
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died with Jeremy. Some accounts suggest that investigators felt Jeremy
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knew more than he was willing to share publicly, that
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he was unwilling to fully cooperate for reasons that were
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never made clear, whether this was a function of trauma
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or distrust toward the police, or of something else. Entirely,
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the fact remains that the only person who sat across
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from the man calling himself Tom Johnson, who watched him
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demonstrate his knowledge of computers, who shook his hand and
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loaded equipment into his car and made small talk, That
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person is gone. The woman who was seen entering room
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three thirty two before Jeremy and Tether arrived, the possible
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accomplice whose complaint about noise was dismissed as a domestic dispute.
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She was never identified. If she exists, she may hold
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answers that no one else can provide. And if Tom
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Johnson was not Tom Steeples, then he was a man
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in his twenties or early thirties back in nineteen ninety two,
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which would put him in his fifties or early sixties today.
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He is possibly still alive. If so, he got away
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with murdering a twenty two year old woman and nearly
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killing her fiance, and he has been living with that
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for more than thirty years. The stolen Apple Quadron nine
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fifty with serial number F six' two one six' FOUR
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j w six seven one was never recovered in nineteen,
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ninety two it was state of. The art today it
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would be a. Bulky relic if it still exists somewhere
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gathering dust in an attic or, storage unit it might
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be the last physical link to the man Who. Killed
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heatheruffelman there is also the question of whether the filled
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transaction from a week before, the attack when a man
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Calling Himself tom johnson arranged to buy a different computer
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and then never, showed up might. Be Connected if johnson
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was a different Person From. Tom steeples this earlier attempt
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could represent a, learning curve a first aborted run at
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a scheme that he refined and executed the. Following week
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the seller from that earlier abandoned transaction may have information
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about the buyer that was never fully explored. By investigators
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the case has been Covered By, unsolved mysteries multiple true
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crime podcasts before, this one and online, investigative communities but
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no new forensic breakthroughs have ever. Been announced in the
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age of genetic genealogy and COLD case. Dna initiatives it's
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worth noting that the hammer found of the scene was
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wiped clean of prints and the room was. Similarly sanitized
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whether ANY recoverable dna exist in the remaining evidence. Is
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Unclear The Marietta police department maintains the case as an.
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Open investigation if you have any information about the true
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identity of the man who Called Himself, tom johnson you
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are encouraged to Contact, The Marietta Georgia police department at
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