Are We Becoming a New Species? — Adrian Emery on Consciousness, the Tao, and the New Paradigm

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Everything is now unity, and imagination is now manifestation.
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Welcome to Unity Manifest Podcast.
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Here is your host, Gary Cacciolillo. Enjoy the experience. Welcome, everyone,
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to another episode of Unity Manifest Podcast. I am your host,
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Gary Cacciolillo, and today our guest is Adrian Emery, a
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modern philosopher. and his book is The Tao of Tuning,
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The Art of Flow. Thank you for coming on today.
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Oh, it's a pleasure, Gary. Lovely to meet you, and
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very good morning to all of your guests. I'm in Australia,
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down under. It's very early in the morning here, so
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lovely to speak to you, Will.
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How does an Australian get into the Tao?
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Ah, well, that's a very good question. I noticed when
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you know that one of your key themes is curiosity
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and I've always had an innate curiosity from a very
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very young child and I wanted to learn how life works.
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I've always wanted to know how things work and But
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at a very early age, I turned my attention to life.
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And as I looked about me in the Western world,
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it seemed to me that life wasn't really working for
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the individual and neither for society or for humanity at large.
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So I studied pretty much every philosophy, every religion, everything
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I could get my hands on. And eventually I settled
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on the Tao, not as a one size fits all,
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but as probably the most realistic, um, interpretation of life
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that I could find.
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Hmm. So what other systems and philosophies did you look
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at before you settled on Tao? Like, I think, um,
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like I guess like in, um, Western you have things
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like Kabbalah, um, you know, things, Pythagoras, stuff like that.
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And then when you go over to the other side,
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I guess you have Buddhism and Taoism.
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Yeah, well, look, I wouldn't say I studied any of
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them deeply, but I did. And you've got to remember,
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as I said before, I'm a very young child. No,
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I get it. A lot of people come to this
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realization quite late in life. I mean, I'm talking about...
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Pre-teenage years.
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Really? Wow.
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Yeah. Wow.
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So.
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Obviously, at that age, you cannot do an in-depth study
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of Pythagoras, but I had this intuitive understanding or perception
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or I was troubled that, you know, there's something about
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this Western world that just didn't work or that wasn't right.
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And I distinctly remember imagining, well, when I was questioning
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a particular thing, I would think, well, let me... What
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if I was an ancient Sumerian or a Roman or
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an Inca or some ancient civilization and I realized that
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our paradigm or what I now call our paradigm or
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our belief system or our mores, the way that we
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structure our society is a very... Arbitrary thing, you know
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different different societies different civilizations different cultures even now today
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when you talk about more ethnic civilizations have a very
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very different interpretation and Philosophy of life, but I'm talking
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about maybe six or seven years old But then for
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the next 20 to 30 years. Yes, I did study
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pretty much every religion philosophy going and And but they
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all seem to be very contained meaning. And I like
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this in one of the things that you say is that,
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you know, they become a box. So if you become
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an adherent of any anything, any ism, any philosophy, anything,
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you basically have to accept that box and dice and exclude. And,
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you know, everybody says, well, we are the way, you know,
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we are the chosen one. This is this is the belief.
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This is the system. Whereas Taoism doesn't have any of that.
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It doesn't have a deity. It doesn't have any system. Basically,
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Taoism says, you know, you need to find it by
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being true to yourself. So the Tao is just the way,
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and your way is your way for you, for Gary.
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My way is my way for Adrian. I like to say,
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I mean, what I've eventually arrived at many, many years
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later is, you know, Christ said, I am the way,
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the truth, and the light. And unfortunately in the West,
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we misinterpret that as he is the way, the truth
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and the light. Whereas what I believe he's basically saying
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is I am the way and the truth and the
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light for me. You are the way and the truth
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and the light for you. You know, it's a very,
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very personal construct. So Daoism doesn't actually have a catechism
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or a book of rules or any sort of teaching
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whatsoever apart from be true to yourself. go within which
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brings me to your saying of you know experience is
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a mirror of awareness um and so the conclusion that
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i have come to after more than 50 years of
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studying this is that we've got the cart before the
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horse see in in western in the western paradigm we
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believe that life is out there and it happens to
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us so it's a very victim consciousness Whereas what you're saying,
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and I think what a lot of us are saying,
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is consciousness, awareness, the inner comes first and creates or manifests,
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or to use your word, mirrors a reality. And that's,
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I think, the key message at this point in time
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in human evolution, that who you are within yourself precedes
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and creates your daily reality. And so that's a really
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fundamental and diametric shift in perspective and the way one
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lives one's life, because it leads obviously to the realisation
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of what I call agency, that you are the agent,
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you are creating it. And what happens to you, yes,
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is a mirror, is a reflection, is a projection of.
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So basically, if you want to go back to, you know,
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the old real world, in the projector room, you know,
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and as a very young child, you're sitting in the
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movie theater and you're seeing it on the screen and
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we believe that it's on the screen, but we know really,
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we know that there's a projector room somewhere, or even
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if we turn on our television, we know that what's
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happening on the screen is not really happening in that screen.
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We know that it's, you know, being streamed or coming via,
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you know, you know television or even radio or us
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for example me looking at you or you looking at
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me it's an electronic projection but we don't seem to
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be able to translate that understanding into daily reality that
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i am actually a projector and i am projecting what
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happens on the screen of my life which means that
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if i want to change it i can change it
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we don't seem to yet have that sense of power,
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of agency, and of determinism.
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I think it's a strange concept for people to grasp.
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Only recently have I been playing with this idea that
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I've come from a Zen background, so I was always
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very big on the only thing that exists is the moment.
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The only thing that exists is the moment. But then
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I questioned a little bit deeper, okay, well then what
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is the moment? And the best idea that I can
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come up with right now, I always change my mind
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on these things, is that the moment is a reflection.
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My experience I'm having in the moment is a reflection
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of my own awareness. Yeah.
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Look, I think that's a really good point. And I
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agree with you. And I have a number of principles. And,
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you know, I call it being now. You know, Ram
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Dass said be here now. Now, one of the other
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really big problem for the Western paradigm is this whole
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concept of time. You know, we spend most of our
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time going back to what you're calling awareness. Most of
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our awareness is either stuck in the past or anticipating
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the future. Very few people, you know, let's talk about 100%,
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So for me, one of my major teachings and beliefs
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is that if you have a lot of your awareness
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stuck back in the past or anticipating the future, you've
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got a lot less awareness that can be focused on
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the present. So your creation mechanism doesn't work really well.
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And if you think about it, most people spend a
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lot of time in regret or hope or fear about
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what is going to happen. The more you can focus
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on that present, the more that you can be in
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that present, then going back to the analogy of the projector,
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I think, so if you think about the projector, if
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it's got a lot of static or, you know, if
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all of a sudden, the last podcast I did, the
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internet was really, really bad and it kept flickering and
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folding because it was obviously something wrong. So there's not clarity.
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So for me, clarity is probably the most important thing.
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And you can, or think of a lens of focus,
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you know, you can change that lens to get a
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really clear picture. Um, and your awareness is the same.
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So in your, in your terms of, of, um, experience
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being the mirror if the mirror is really foggy or
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dusty or not clear then the projection reflecting mechanism doesn't
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work so I think to come back to your question
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for me is that the more I can focus in
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the present the more focused my lens is.
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Yeah and then yeah because most of the time when
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our focus is in two directions two directions that don't
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even exist where the energy is just pulled away from us.
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But when we focus on only the moment, it gives
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us more of just energy, really. It's just when you
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refocus your energy, you have more energy to put into something. Yeah.
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And look, Gary, I think the other thing too is
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that if you really examine the things that trouble us
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that we worry about or that we become anxious about
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they are all either in the past or the future
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yes and as soon as you can pull your energy
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back to the present it's like it's gone you know
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what i mean like if i'm worrying or anticipating about
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oh that's going to happen or why did i say
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that if the more discipline and control i have in
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pulling my energy my focus my attention my awareness back
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to the present all of a sudden that's gone because
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look if it's in the future there's there's no much
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point in worrying about it right now if it's going
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to happen it's going to happen and i'll deal with
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it then and if in the past i have done
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something wrong which we all have not necessarily wrong in
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moral terms but an error then well you know i
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can fix that i need to do something to alter
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my course so i think by staying in the present
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and by being here now, it's a really, really healthy
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way to live one's life. I mean, we now know
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that the WHO, World Health Organization, has declared loneliness, depression,
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or mental illness as the biggest epidemic on the planet today,
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particularly in the Western world. And I guess what I'm
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saying is that That mental illness is a malfunction in
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our awareness, in our mind, in the way that we
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are processing, in that we are so distracted by social media,
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by the narrative, by the past, by the future. We're
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not really just in the present. If you look at
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a little child and to be really happy, you need
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to be in the present.
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It's true. Our direction is pulled in so many different
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directions that we're never actually with the person we're with. Yeah.
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Yeah. We miss every moment. You know, you think about it.
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The average person misses every moment of their lives because
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it's what's next. You know, it's the to-do list. Where
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have I got to go? What have I got to do?
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What haven't I got? And so you can't really... And
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going back to your point, which I think is very,
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very important, and probably to come back to your first question,
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I did get into the Dharma via Zen. So on
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my exploration of philosophies and that, I did come across Zen,
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and I really like that be here now, be totally focused,
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be in the present, don't allow your mind to pull
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you off track. And then from Zen... I sort of
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learned more about the Tao. And so, yeah, I think
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that Zen practice, Zen meditation, I meditate every day. And
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I think that there are two basic types of meditation.
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One is like transcendental meditation where you use a mantra
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or something, which is just basically a form of hypnosis,
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but is closing your awareness down from what's happening. Zen
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meditation is being aware, right? You know, so that, you know,
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being totally aware of what's going on all the time
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and basically switching on as opposed to switching off. So
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that really appealed to me and that's how I try.
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To live my life. Like the two basic texts that
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I guess I'm aware of that have to do with
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the Tao is the Tao Te Ching and I think
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the other one, I don't even remember the name of it,
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but I think it was by some guy, Chuang Tzu,
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or something like that. And one of the stories in
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his book is about how Lao Tzu is swimming in
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a river, and Confucius is walking by, and he sees
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Lao Tzu bobbing up and down, and he thinks it's
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some guy drowning. And he's not drowning. He's just letting
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the water follow him. He's like, well, how do you
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And the Confucius asks Lao Tzu, like, how do you
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do that? And he goes, I don't. I just go
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with the current.
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Taoism that, you know, like one of the most, like
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there's a saying, you know, the sage does nothing, but
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nothing remains undone. So the whole point of Zen and
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Taoism is this paradoxical nature of the universe that the
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more we try to have control, the more we try
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to control life. It's like what the saying is, you
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can't hold water in your hand. The more you try
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to hold the water in your hand, the more it's
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just going to fall through. And so, you know, the
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Tao is that ability, and that's why the book is
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called The Art of Flow, that ability to flow, to allow,
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and yet it's not a surrender in the Western sense of, oh, well,
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you know, like, she'll be right. It's not a passivity.
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It's a very conscious, active flowing. But as he said,
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I'm not doing it. You know, it's a co-creativity where
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you are very conscious, you are very disciplined, but at
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the same time, you're not imposing your will. Now, for example,
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in the West, we're really big on willpower. You know,
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I've got to discipline my will. I've got to go
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to the gym and I've got to sort of impose
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my will and I've got to have a strong willpower
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to be successful, to create my life. Whereas Daoism is
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more about allowing that will to join with the divine
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will or whatever you want to call it and allowing
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the wave. And that's why in Dao tuning, I talk
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a lot about surfing because anybody who has ever surfed,
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who has actually got onto a wave, you know that
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magic moment when the wave actually takes over and you're
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riding that wave. I mean, And it's not just for surfing.
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It could be skiing. It could be many, many. If
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you look at any elite athlete, you can see when,
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you know, the autonomic nervous system actually takes over and
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they're just one with what they're doing or a musician
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or anybody, you know, that when you get into that
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state of awareness, of oneness, of being with whatever it
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is that you are doing, you do cease to exist.
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and you just become part of the flow. Yes, you're
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still there. I mean, you know, if a surfer falls asleep,
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he's going to pull up his board. You know, if
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the athlete stops focusing. So there is an intense focus,
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but that intense focus, going back to what we were
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talking about a minute ago of being in the now,
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requires immense discipline, but it's not so much practice. an
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execution of the will. I mean, Zen and Dao are
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very hard to put into words. That's part of the reason.
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That's part of the point. The sound of one hand clapping.
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Yeah, and I think that's why the Western world doesn't
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really embrace it. I mean, part of why I do
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what I'm doing now is that I believe that humanity
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is on the cusp of a huge paradigm shift. And
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I think that paradigm shift basically revolves around the way
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we do use our mind. You know, the paradigm that
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we exist within today, the Western paradigm, is about 500
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years old. It started in the Renaissance period. And it
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was all about rationality. You know, it was the age
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of reason, the age of science. It was coming out
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of the superstition of the Middle Ages. it was uh
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at the end of the black plague but there was
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a really big focus on you know the uh left
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brain linear logic language reading writing arithmetic all of those
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you know egoic uh mental activity at the expense of intuition,
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gut feeling, gestalts of awareness. You know, they were anything
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that was not rational, non-logical, was suspicious, was suspect and
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was tabooed. And so with the last 500 years, we
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really haven't allowed that inner awareness, like, you know, saying
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experience is a mirror of our awareness. But what is awareness?
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But I think also we lost one other thing. We lost,
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for some reason, the idea that we're connected to nature,
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that we're connected to a larger ecosystem. All of a sudden,
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we think we're separate from it. And I think that, too,
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is an odd thing about humans. For us to walk
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around and think we're separate from nature and to think
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that we're separate from the rest of the universe in general.
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Exactly. I mean, we believe, and this is when I
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talk about the paradigm, I mean, the fundamental erroneous belief
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of the Western male, for want of a better word,
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Western humanity, is that we believe that we are separate, beyond,
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and superior to nature, to life. We are the supreme
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being and somehow we've managed to convince ourselves that we
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are superior to life. So we have disconnected exactly what
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you're saying. We have disconnected ourselves from nature. We have
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disconnected ourselves from life. We have disconnected ourselves from Gaia,
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the earth. We have completely disconnected ourselves from everything. And
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thus we're unplugged. I mean, we all know now that
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if our phones or our computers or anything runs flat,
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if the battery runs flat, it's got no energy. We
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are running out of energy because we're disconnected. And so
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we don't have energy. We don't have resilience. We don't
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have this ability to focus because we're all so sick.
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We're weak. We're vulnerable. And we're very, very low on
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energy because, as you're saying, we've unplugged ourselves. You know,
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how long can you– anything exists– And I like to
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also say that we've become a rogue species. Because we
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have separated ourselves from nature, I really totally believe that
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Homo sapiens is extinct. We're in an extinction process. And
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it's important to understand that doesn't mean the end of humanity.
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It doesn't mean the end of the world. Because Homo
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sapiens is the seventh species of the genus Homo. And
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I believe that we're going into the eighth, which will
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be the new human, which will be a more noble
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human where we will reconnect to all these things, life, nature.
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Because if you look at pretty much every ethnic civilization, Aboriginal, Indian,
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they're all very much connected to the earth, very much
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connected to nature and understand their part in that holistic paradigm.
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It's really only Western European humanity that has completely disassociated itself.
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I think about space travel a lot. And I think
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about what the people who are thinking about space travel
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think about, the people who are planning it. Because I...
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I mean, I think for the human species to evolve,
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and I think we're getting there, is going to have
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to leave the planet. We would expand, just like any
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other natural species. I think that's sort of the point
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for us to do, is to keep going outward. But
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for us to do that, and be able to survive
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in space for any amount of time, We have to
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genetically modify ourselves because we can't wait for ourselves to
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do it naturally. So I think we can create our own,
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you know, person, people.
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Do you think that that means.
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Civilizations.
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Are you talking about leaving the earth as in abandoning
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it or using it as a base....
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I think one thing that we could do is we
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could go to a different place, create a sustainable habitat,
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take genetically modified humans, and just test them out to
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see which ones come out the best.
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Yeah. And there's really nothing to prevent us from doing that.
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I mean, in space, we don't have the same rules
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that we have here.
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Yeah. I tend to agree with you. I think that
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in order to be able to do any of that,
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we first need to learn to work together. Because a
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part of this paradigm that we live in, in what
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I call the Western paradigm, is The biggest, single biggest
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problem is we just don't seem to be able to
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work together. We don't seem to be able to live together.
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I mean, cruelty, violence, killing, war. So let's just follow
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your analogy through. We put 100 people on a spaceship
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or 1,000 or whatever it is and we send them
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to wherever. If they can't cooperate, if they end up
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in conflict within this confined space or on this new planet,
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we haven't really got anywhere, have we? Because we're just
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going to end up in this same place violence. So
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for me, it's the awareness, going back to your point
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of experience is a mirror of awareness. The awareness that
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we have today is what I call an atomic awareness.
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In other words, we believe that we are all separate.
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I believe that I'm separate from you. You believe that
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you're separate from me. So we're very atomistic. meaning we're
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all these little atoms that are separated from everybody else.
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The new awareness has to be one of unity, that
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we are all connected.
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So it needs to be collective. It's not just about life.
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It's this, yeah, the collective consciousness.
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You have to become like the Borg.
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Yeah, so I like to use the analogy of your body.
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Now your body, I don't know how many trillions, I
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think it's eight trillions cells. But Each of those cells
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understands on some level that it's a part of your
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body so that it works together, whether it's a finger
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cell or a heart cell or a brain cell. They're
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working holistically to keep my body functioning and alive. We've
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become dysfunctional as a species in the sense that we're
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just totally in this conflict with each other because we
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believe we're separate and we believe in the zero-sum game.
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if I'm going to gain, you have to lose as
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opposed to, you know, uh, if we all work together collectively, um,
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then I think then, so what I'm saying is that
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that change has to happen first, because if there is
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a hundred of us on this spaceship, we really do
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need to learn to work together or we land on this,
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you know, a new planet and we need to build it. Um,
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So it's really interesting in the age of empires that,
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you know, Ray Dalio says that the first characteristic of
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a new empire is the way people treat each other.
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I mean, you're in America. It's very, very clear now,
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I think, to pretty much everybody that, you know, America
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was built on this spirit of working together, creating this
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brave new world, whereas now they're It's just polarized. I mean,
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there is no working together. I mean, it's become very,
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very dysfunctional. And I'm not picking on America.
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Oh, no, it is.
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But you're the leader of the pack. And, you know,
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the whole Western world is just, well, you turn on
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the nightly news. I mean, it's all about killing. It's
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all about murder. It's all about violence. It's all about crime.
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Except if you watch the news here. If you watch
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the news here, it's about like Miley Cyrus.
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It's about what?
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Miley Cyrus or some celebrity. Our news is fake, really fake.
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Okay. Our news is all about just, you know, who
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killed who. It's very, very depressing and sad. But you
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understand what I'm saying is that it's the way we
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are treating each other as a species is very dysfunctional.
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Yeah, yeah. I do think it's going to change, and
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I think it can change. And we're in the process
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of that. In fact, we have no choice. Truthfully, I
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think for survival purposes, there is no choice. Maybe the
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only choice is how we do it and how many people...
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decide to cooperate and how many people don't want to
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cooperate and how all of that gets worked out.
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Yeah, I agree. The choice is, do we do it voluntarily, willingly,
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early on, or are we forced into it by some
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calamity whereby we all have to cooperate? Because we've seen
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in history that humans, after a disaster, always turn around
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and start cooperating because they don't have a choice, you know. Unfortunately,
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particularly again in the Western paradigm, it's too affluent and
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so we don't really have to cooperate because of the
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wealth that we have created. But if all of a
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sudden things got really tough, then people would have to.
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So you're right. The choice is, do we do it now?
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Do we do it elegantly? Do we do it easily?
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Do we do it voluntarily? Or do we wait until...
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disaster pushes us into a corner and then we have
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to but that to me is the new paradigm one.
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Of the things I've been thinking and I've been running
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into I wrote a book about Saint Germain and you
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know the extended master Saint Germain and then there's the
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historical Saint Germain and the historical Saint Germain is a
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really really interesting guy because he's a musician he travels
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all around the world which is not an easy thing
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back then to do He has sort of an unknown origin,
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but he seems to have unlimited money. And why is
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he going around to all these different secret lodges? And
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so are other people that seem to be pretty important.
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They seem to congregate, like, oh, a whole bunch of
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them are over in France. Now a whole bunch of
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them are over in Germany. Now there's a whole bunch
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of them over in the United States. And I'm thinking
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to myself, are these guys seeing what's coming? do these
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guys see, I'm thinking at this time, they probably were
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seeing the industrial revolution coming. And were they trying to
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set up certain safeguards to prepare humanity for what could
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happen next with the industrial revolution?
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Well, I think going back to my original comment, which
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I think I made to you before we went online,
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about you guys, the podcast hosts, being the town crier.
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And as I said in the second point, when I
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was a young child, I had this ability to go, well, okay,
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let's say I was in the year 1300 and I
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would just be able to visualize myself. So you've got
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to remember that In those days, with those people in
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Saint Germain, they didn't have an internet. They couldn't do
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what we're doing sitting in Zoom. So if I wanted
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to talk to you, I had to figure out how
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to get to New Jersey. If you wanted to talk
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to me, you had to figure out how to come
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to Australia. It's a very, very different paradigm. But they
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did it. I mean, they all did it. And then
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you had the massive change when Columbus went out and
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discovered America and you had the age of the explorers
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going out discovering the new world. But In the Middle Ages, yes,
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I think you did have these little communities, I suppose,
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even going back all the way to the Essenes. You know,
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there have always been communities of lightworkers, of more enlightened people.
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And I think the other thing that I totally accept
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is that these guys that we're talking about, like Saint
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Germain and the Ascended Masters or Christ, I mean, they
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incarnate with a... They don't lose all of their awareness
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and knowledge. So they have powers, you know, they do.
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I mean, as you say, where'd the money come from?
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Where does this come from? I mean, they probably... I mean,
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Saint Germain doesn't become Saint Germain at the end of
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his life. He's, you know, he incarnated many times in
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many forms. But my belief is that they... they bring
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in with them a certain amount of their manifestation powers
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that we believe are miraculous. It's not really miraculous, it's
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just that they understand the powers of manifestation, you know,
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and they have that ability to... But to come to
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your point, yes, I think there have always been small
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groups of humans who have been the heralds I think
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the difference now is that it is a mass awakening.
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So what we are going through now in the next,
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I think, five to ten years is that this is
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going to be, and when I say mass, I'm talking billions.
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So it's not, because even if we add up all
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of those people, all of those lightworkers back then, I
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don't know, it may have been 10,000 on the planet.
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It was just for argument's sake to make the maths easy.
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Whereas I think now this will be the first time
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So one of the words that I'm using a lot
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at the moment is species perspective, because going back to
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the ecosystem and pollution and everything, we are being forced
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to see that as a species, what are the effects
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that we are having on the planet, on Gaia, on
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our ecosystem and on ourselves. And so as we become
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aware of of ourselves as a species, this collective consciousness
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of awareness will grow so that we go back to
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your saying that experience is a mirror of awareness individually.
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Experience of humanity is a mirror of our awareness as
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a species. And that's just happening. You know what I mean?
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That's good. That is awesome. You just took my idea
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and pushed it out like you were a bird.
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Yeah, so a two-year-old picks up the pen, sticks it
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in its mouth, touches everything, you know, because what's it doing?
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It's going, oh, I'm into reacting with the world out there,
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what happens, blah, blah, blah. I see humanity as now
541
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going through this process. Oh, shit. Oh, we've got nuclear weapons. Oh,
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we're doing, oh, my God. You know, so the awareness
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of us as a species and our experience that we
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are creating out there is mirroring, is reflecting back to
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us going, guys, you're pretty dysfunctional. You really need to
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get this together. And you see that happening. You know,
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you see it with what Trump and Iran and, oh,
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my God, look at what we, this is insane. You know,
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the whole, I mean, I often think about it, I think,
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you know, the whole of humanity is, can see that
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what is happening in Gaza, in Iran, is insane. But
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we don't stop it. It's like, this is just crazy,
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you know. I was even thinking this, and I thought, now,
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if you go for a walk in, we call it
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Bush in Australia, but, you know, National Park for you guys.
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If you go for a walk in a national park
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and all of a sudden there's a snake there, you
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don't sit down and think about it. You don't sit
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down and have a conversation with us. You respond. You react.
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You get out of there real quickly. We are on
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a species side, meaning suicide of the species, trajectory really fast,
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yet no one seems able to put the brakes on.
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The United Nations, I mean, England yesterday has just said, okay,
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we're not. are going to be importing anything from the
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West Bank. I mean, big deal. That's not really going
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to make that much difference. So my point is that
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we are developing awareness of ourselves as a species, as
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opposed to what I'm calling this atomistic thing, where it's
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just me and I don't really care about you. And
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I'm really caring about the effect that I am having
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as an individual localized consciousness. But when I start to
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realize that, you know, I am a human being and
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I am part of humanity and humanity is one, then
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I think that's when, and as you're saying, I think
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when we get that consciousness, then we will be able
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to go to other planets because we'll have transcended this
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inner war, inner conflict that just at the moment is
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driving us crazy.
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I have probably an outrageous theory on what it is
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that goes on in the Middle East. I don't think it's...
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I think there's something else there sometimes. You know, like maybe...
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A buried UFO or something like that. I don't know.
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Or is there something they don't want people to find? Stargate?
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I have no idea what it is. But to me,
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it just always feels like there's just something more to
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what's actually going on than oil and religion and things
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like that. i think there's something else.
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And that's that's the point i'm making is that you
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see that the problem we have gary is that there's
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the narrative out there you know and then there's what's
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happening to the Millions if not billions of people there
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are billions of people who totally agree with what you're
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saying who totally agree with what I'm saying But we're
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still the fringe, you know, we're still disenfranchised so you
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and I can't really have this conversation on Mainstream media,
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you know on the nightly news on you know, the
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Whatever paper it is or in the United Nations or
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any normal voice piece It does not allow Orkin to.
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But you're never going to see something on TV that says,
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a guy come on TV and say, well, maybe this
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war is really over a UFO that crashed 3,000 years
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ago or something like that.
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Yes, you know, or the American military coming out and going, well, yeah,
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we actually have been working with aliens for the last
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35 years, guys. You know, like, we're just going to
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come clean and tell you. But I think that's going
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to happen pretty soon. You know, I mean, there's a
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lot of channeled stuff saying that disclosure is going to
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happen in the next few years. But I think you're right.
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And I think that's what makes you, you and me, me.
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As I said, when I was a child, there was
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just something I thought, no, there's more to life than
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what we're being told. And so, I mean, I know
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00:41:03.550 --> 00:41:07.059
one of your things is curiosity. And it's the same
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with me. I just had this curiosity, and I just
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00:41:09.769 --> 00:41:14.050
had to keep looking until I answered that. And that
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was the other thing that I really liked about what
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00:41:16.030 --> 00:41:18.090
you say is, you know, the question is more important
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than the answer.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't know. As long as
621
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I'm questioning, I think I'm okay. When I start thinking
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I actually know something for sure, then I have to
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question it even more.
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00:41:30.940 --> 00:41:34.300
That's right. Yeah. Because that's what happens. As soon as
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you think you know... you start closing down. And that's
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what I said before about most religions. It's like, okay, well,
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this is the way, this is the catechism, these are
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the rules, and it's non-negotiable. Don't think about it, don't
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00:41:49.710 --> 00:41:52.059
question it, just have faith, accept it.
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00:41:52.090 --> 00:41:58.150
Yes, I understand. I live around very, very, in a very, very,
631
00:41:58.449 --> 00:42:03.260
very religious community. Yes.
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So I agree with you. You've got to keep questioning.
633
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And interestingly, you know, neurologically, you know, again, going back
634
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and looking at a very young child, that just glee,
635
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that joy, that exploration, that... You know, and as you
636
00:42:21.969 --> 00:42:24.909
get older, it's like, well, I don't really want anything
637
00:42:24.949 --> 00:42:25.769
to rock the boat.
638
00:42:25.929 --> 00:42:28.369
Yeah, you have a love for adventure and life.
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You know, I don't want anything to disturb my comfort. Just,
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you know, I just want my nice little routine. But
641
00:42:37.619 --> 00:42:41.000
what people don't understand is the routine becomes a rut.
642
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:45.610
The rut becomes a coffin. And, you know, you become
643
00:42:45.670 --> 00:42:47.949
pretty soon you become the living dead. You know, it's
644
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just what happens, you know. So I agree, you know,
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I think you've got to have that curiosity and wonder
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and awe and, wow, I wonder what's going to happen today.
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And every morning I get up and go, wow, I
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wonder what, you know, that wonder of a positive thing
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as opposed to, oh, shit.
650
00:43:06.780 --> 00:43:13.699
What's going to happen? I woke up this morning and
651
00:43:13.739 --> 00:43:17.099
you're like, wow, I have three podcasts in one day.
652
00:43:18.849 --> 00:43:20.769
Yeah, but think of joy.
653
00:43:20.789 --> 00:43:23.050
It ended with the best one.
654
00:43:24.099 --> 00:43:27.239
Yeah, you know, the energy that you get from it,
655
00:43:27.340 --> 00:43:31.760
the interreaction and the good that you're doing, man, you know,
656
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:34.989
you've got to. But it's interesting, you know, like that's
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what I was saying before. That was in the future.
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00:43:39.369 --> 00:43:41.050
Yeah, I was projecting.
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But now when you're in the doing... In the.
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Moment, completely different reality than the one I had this
661
00:43:49.869 --> 00:43:52.469
morning when I opened my eyes. Completely different.
662
00:43:53.630 --> 00:43:55.650
And that energizes you.
663
00:43:55.730 --> 00:43:57.409
I can't believe my own thoughts.
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Yeah. I mean, it keeps you humble and it keeps
665
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you real, doesn't it? Because you're exposing yourself to... uh
666
00:44:06.150 --> 00:44:09.909
contrarian points of view and different people and it's you
667
00:44:09.929 --> 00:44:12.150
know and i i mean this is part of my
668
00:44:12.309 --> 00:44:19.719
ethos is um everybody needs to find out what energizes
669
00:44:19.820 --> 00:44:23.619
them like what we were saying before about becoming unplugged
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00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:27.539
so whether it's a podcast host whether it's a musician
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whether it whatever it is that is your passion that
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00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:35.699
drives you And it's not about success in the material
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00:44:35.739 --> 00:44:38.429
sense of the word. It's about success in, I believe,
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of following your own path, you know, of being true
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to yourself. I mean, I was actually thinking this morning,
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you know, getting ready for this, and I'm thinking, I
677
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wonder what, and I might ask you, I mean, what
678
00:44:50.769 --> 00:44:56.429
drove you to become a podcast host? What motivated you?
679
00:44:59.059 --> 00:45:03.139
I had like a near-death experience. And then COVID hit
680
00:45:03.219 --> 00:45:06.599
right after, so there was really nothing to do. So
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00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:10.000
I started it pretty much when everybody else started their podcast.
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And I've just sort of, I've stuck it out over
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the years.
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Yeah.
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And it's just grown.
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Yeah. Yeah. As I said before, I think that the,
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I think that the pod, I mean, you think about
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it 10 years ago, I don't know, were there any
689
00:45:26.949 --> 00:45:29.170
podcasts 10 years ago? I mean, it was pretty embryonic.
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00:45:29.289 --> 00:45:29.789
There was.
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00:45:30.460 --> 00:45:32.309
Yeah, there's podcasts. Not like now.
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Long time.
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00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:38.119
Long time. Yeah. But only since the internet.
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00:45:38.980 --> 00:45:45.510
Yeah, only since... I don't remember iPodcasts as far back
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as the iPod.
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Right.
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Because that's why they're called podcasts.
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Right.
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Because they came from the iPod.
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You've just answered a B. I could never work out why.
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00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:06.420
That's where the pod came from. Right.
702
00:46:07.940 --> 00:46:13.099
But still, that's... I don't know, is that 15 years? 20?
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00:46:13.099 --> 00:46:19.019
Probably 20. 20, maybe. I'm really bad with chronology. In
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00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:22.420
my world, time does not exist.
705
00:46:23.659 --> 00:46:29.420
Now, there must be literally... thousands and thousands of podcasts.
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00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:32.079
Yes in all different genres yeah there's everything out.
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00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:35.079
There yeah that's it you know you've only got to
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00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:39.539
go on YouTube and you know you can learn whatever you.
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00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:44.440
Want yeah it's really cool so it has been a
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00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:49.219
pleasure having you um you've been a fantastic guest but
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before we wrap it up one I'm definitely going to
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have you back on definitely good there's a lot more
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that we could cover um where can my listeners find
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you and your, and pitch your book?
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Okay. So best, uh, place to start is my website,
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Adrian Emery.com. Um, and then that will lead you into
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all the other areas. Uh, I do a sub stack.
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I was doing a blog, but I'm just now moved
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over to sub stack. Um, I, I'm a prolific writer. Um, uh,
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but self-published, so a bit difficult to get it out there.
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But I'm also, I'm working on another book at the moment,
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which is called Map Maker. And that is all about
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tracing the old paradigm, the paradigm that we live in,
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that I believe started with the old map makers, Christopher Columbus, Magellan,
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all those guys who went out into the unknown, not
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knowing if they were going to fall off the edge
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of the world and, you know, proving that the world
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was round. And Again, it's very hard for us to
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visualize and live within what they must have gone through
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not knowing, you know, what was out there.
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The stuff they went through, man. I dedicated my book
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to Giordano Bruno.
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Yeah, who was burnt at the stake because he said
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the world was round. It was 1600.
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I mean....
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That is exactly my point, that there were guys back then,
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like him, he was one of them, and because the
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Catholic Church had the authority of the paradigm, had the
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authority to say to people, no different to COVID, what
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you could and couldn't say, what you could and couldn't believe,
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and if you went against that, you were a heretic,
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and like poor old Brunner, you were burnt at the stake.
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I mean.
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Not that much different to today, but a little bit
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more civilized about it. But now we just cancel people,
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you know, or the CIA just, you know, pushes you
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out of a window. So, you know, there's not a
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lot of difference.
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Seems like people seem to hang themselves a lot.
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People seem to hang themselves mysteriously. um well you know
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or putin just uh poisons them anyway uh so map
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maker is about us you i um many many podcast
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hosts but not just podcast hosts who are what i
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am calling creating the new maps of consciousness coming back
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to your saying you know that uh experience is the
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mirror of awareness, or in my terms, experience is the
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mirror of consciousness, that we are explorers in consciousness. Because
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I believe that evolution is no longer biological. We're not
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going to grow a tail or change anatomically, although I
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do take your point that we might engineer it in
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order to be able to live on another planet. But
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I believe that evolution is now moving forward. on the
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plane of consciousness. So that what we are doing and
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what the podcast industry, I believe, is mainly doing is
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exploring these alternative points of view, disseminating these ideas. And
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so the consciousness of humanity is changing. And we are
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creating maps of a new way of being, going back
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to the Zen Tao concept of Which is not new.
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I mean, that's the really interesting thing, is that nuclear physics,
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the quantum and the Dow are exactly the same. They're
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saying exactly the same thing.
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Yeah, if you read things like the Copenhagen Interpretation and
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all that kind of stuff, definitely.
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Yeah, and they all, the quantum physicists all got to
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a point where they went, Newtonian physics doesn't work. You know,
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And they all went through a spiritual metamorphosis where they
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had to reach back into the Tao, into the old
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ancient concepts, whether it's Vedic or whatever it is, of going, okay,
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nature is not Newtonian. Nature is not atomistic. Nature is not,
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you know, what I call insularity. And so we're moving
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from a paradigm of insularity to what I'm calling a
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paradigm of singularity. So most of my work now is
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focused on what is the new paradigm? Who are the
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map makers? What are we doing in terms of... So
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we're not getting in these boats and, you know, sailing
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around the world, but we are getting in our metaphorical boats,
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which is our mind, so to speak, our consciousness, our awareness.
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And we're exploring inner space. We're exploring different dimensions of
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our being, of being now, being focused, being curious, having integrity,
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going back to values. I mean, there's no values anymore.
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So when I say that I believe that we're going
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into being a new species, I think it's going to
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be a more noble species. I think it's going to
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have this integrity, this honesty, this.
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As I said before, will we treat each other right?
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Because one of the really interesting things about the Western
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paradigm is the amount of money we spend on arms.
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I mean, it's just unbelievable. I mean, America, for example,
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as an empire, spends much, much more money on arms
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than it does on you guys. You know, like America
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as a society is now so dysfunctional in terms of
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your infrastructure because all the money is going into the
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military-industrial complex. And I always envisage a world where no arms,
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you know, because it's only if you have one empire
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and then you have another one that has to fight it.
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So it's not just the American empire military-industrial complex. It's
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the Russian and the Chinese and the, you know, I mean,
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Trump is going around the world saying, you guys have
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all got to spend 2% of your GDP.
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That's why I think it's best to get off the planet.
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So sorry to come back to your question. So my
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work now, so I believe that I'm a map maker
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and I believe that there are many millions of us
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on the world and that we are exploring consciousness and
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creating a new species. Not so much in what you're
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saying about getting off the planet and and bioengineering ourselves
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although i believe that that will eventually happen but first
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of all as i said before i think we need
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to change our consciousness to a holistic paradigm of understanding
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that we are not separate you and i are not
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separate um we are part of one species and we
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are part of divinity um and so it's not even
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just about species consciousness of being one species of being
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human but it's also understanding that all life is sacred
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every life form is sacred that i don't have the
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right to chop down a tree just because it's in
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my way.
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Yeah like have empathy for the environment.
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You know i don't have the right to um i
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don't know kill an animal for fun or for sport
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or if i need to eat it yes perhaps but
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again going back to all the ethnic civilizations the aboriginal
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civilizations they all understood that to take a life to
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eat was okay but you didn't kill wantonly you didn't
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destroy and you had reverence with that killing and you
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had gratitude for that food and you honored the spirit
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or the soul or whatever you want to call it
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of that being and so there was a it was
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a consecration there was a reverence And I think that's
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the other thing going back to the beginning of where
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religion has gone wrong is that religion has lost reverence.
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You know, religion really to me means having a religious
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attitude towards life. You don't need a catechism. You don't
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need commandments. You don't need rules. You don't need anything.
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You just need to be really what I call humble
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and real and have this divine perception within yourself that,
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I am no better or worse than a blade of
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grass or a grain of sand. You know, everything is divine.
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Everything is sacred. Everything is part of this holistic life
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concept of evolution. And as soon as you get that,
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it's like the whole paradigm changes, you know, because I
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don't need a set of rules to tell me what
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to do. It's intrinsic. It just comes out of my
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inner being, going back to the Tao and to Zen,
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is that Zen and Taoism say, go with him, and
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that's where you will find the truth. That's where you
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will find whatever rules are relevant for you. So it's
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just a very, very different world.
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Fantastic. Thank you for coming on. It has been great
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having you.
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Thank you, Gary. Lovely to talk to you.
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For my listeners, I don't have an outro right now,
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but Everybody can find me right here at Unity Manifest Podcast,
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available on all platforms. You can also check out my website, unitymanifest.com.
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I have a whole bunch of free things there. PDFs
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of all the cult books that I've been translating into
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English so people can read them. I also have some
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stuff on Amazon. And you can also find me on
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Facebook at Order of the Violet Flame. Thank you for watching.
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Until next time.
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Thank you, Gary.
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And.