Episode 160: When Trees Send Warnings And Humans Build For Disaster

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As the world gets louder and louder, the lessons of our natural world become harder and harder to hear, but they are still available to those who know where to listen.
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I'm Jerry Olette, and I was honored to serve as Ontario's Minister of Natural Resources.
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However, my journey into the woods didn't come from politics.
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Rather, it came from my time in the bush and a mushroom.
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In 2015, I was introduced to the birch-hungry fungus known as Chaga, a tree conch with centuries of medicinal applications used by indigenous peoples all over the globe.
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Okay, as usual, we're thanking all our listeners and Angelo for and uh Fishing Canada, the Outdoor Journal Podcast Network for having us on the on the network.
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We appreciate all the work that all our our uh editors and producer and everything that does.
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That's uh I think I'm probably gonna have to get Angelo on because it's uh been um it's been a long time now since we've had him on.
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It's about due.
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So we'll have to see about that.
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Now, some of the other stuff is that uh we um usually give an update on what's happening with Gunnar, and I gotta tell you, uh him and Bell are like lost buddies now, where he's uh he's constantly they're always arguing and fighting and everything else between the two of them.
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And uh now they're like uh big time friends, which is uh my son's Garrett's dog and Brittany and and grandson Gritton.
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And uh, you know, things are going pretty good.
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It's uh um the the Chagga business is doing well.
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They it's you know, it's uh kind of like where we were prior to COVID, to be honest.
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So things have uh taken a long time to get back to where we need them to be, but they seem to be doing okay.
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We've got some uh new lines that uh are going over extremely well.
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The high it's a cold couple of cold brews that we added for the summer, which is the hibiscus red beet chaga, of course, a uh chicory and lemon extract, along with um a uh the another cold brew, which is the green tea chaga, of course, matcha and lemon extract.
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Now, matcha, you know, on uh last week's program we had John, the uh John Snell, the international tea expert, on to talk about actually how they made matcha.
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And I didn't know that they ground it up into a found pie flying powder the way it gets done there, so it was kind of interesting.
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And you know, the the caffeine level to uh which I found amazing, that uh certain tea manufacturing countries, like for example, in Japan, how they add nitrogen to their green tea areas as a fertilizer, because it increases caffeine.
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And I know that uh most of the time people ask, you know, is there caffeine in in the the chaga teas, which a majority of them there is not.
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So the the straight regular chaga, no caffeine, the chai has black tea in it, and black tea has caffeine, the apple cinnamon, no chaga there.
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Turmeric, ginger, black pepper, and chaga, no caffeine.
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The morning glory we call it, because uh we have it in the morning as a coffee alternative, or we use that as our water when we make coffee, and maybe I should explain that.
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So we have this one called Morning Glory, and what I do is I use the uh the water or the tea from the Morning Glory, which is roasted dandelion roasted chicken root and chaga, to make my coffee with, and I get the get everything directly in my coffee that way, so it works out pretty good.
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And no caffeine in that.
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And then the mint one we have no caffeine in there, and then the cold brews, the uh which is uh the Ruby G we call it, which is the hibiscus, red beet, chaga, chicory, lemon extract, extremely popular and going like gangbusters, which is good.
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Not only that, but the other cold brew I mentioned already.
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So those are going pretty good, and although we are currently exploring, because Josh, my oldest son, uh thought we should have a caffeine coffee, something with not a caffeine coffee, but a caffeine tea.
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Because we get a lot of people asking, you know, I need my morning coffee or caffeine.
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Now, one of the other interesting things on the program with John Snell was I didn't really realize that caffeine was a plant's way of deterring bugs.
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So when the caffeine comes out, it kind of chases bugs away, which is kind of interesting in itself.
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And though the I think it was the Vietnamese uh individual tea grower that sprayed his his plants, his tea plants with a egg spray of some kind in order to attract bugs, but they couldn't penetrate through the egg covering in order to stimulate a caffeine response.
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Which to me speaks volumes about the way plants react.
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I've been trying to get somebody else on to do a podcast, but I guess they're pretty important person and and uh uh they they kind of ticked me off because it was like wasting my time.
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And I'd rather just somebody tell me, don't waste your time rather than go through that.
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But uh the way plants talk to each other and and I think that uh there's uh some interesting books about plants in Africa and how they release something into the environment.
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So when giraffes are coming to eat the leaves, they let other plants know to release this that turn giraffes off from eating this.
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And it's just the way that plants continue to commute communicate.
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And I think we're finding out more and more about this all the time.
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But some time ago, I very specifically said that we need to bring uh Garrett back on the program to talk about what he's doing now or what he's applying for and how are things going.
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How's it going, Garrett?
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Good.
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Uh can't complain.
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Life's good.
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I've been busy, uh working steady right now, and of course I have my hands full with uh with Grenton here, and he's going through the big changes of you know, there's a four-month regression, they call it, where uh, you know, his sleep rhythm isn't quite set yet, so he'll be fussy, he'll be, you know, shorter nap, sometimes a little longer nap, and then wake windows are all kind of different here and there.
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And and Brittany, my wife, has been doing an amazing job with keeping on top of it as best she can, and you know, something like that I really appreciate as she, you know, I'm working and she takes a night shift, so it uh, you know, allows me to have a good sleep at night, and I'm really thankful for that.
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And but yeah, I I'm I'm good.
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Good.
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The weather's been more or less been nice, which is really nice you're working in because it's starting to get a little bit cooler now, especially in the morning.
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So, you know, at least we're not in the heat longer, we're in the heat shorter now, which is a nice part.
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So, where is it that you just to remind people where you're where you're working and what you're doing?
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Um, so I'm in Toronto.
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We're back in Toronto still.
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Um, we are doing the new uh Metrolink line.
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The LRT line?
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The LRT line.
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The late rapid transit.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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So they're uh it's about a five-year project.
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They're in year two now of it, and they're starting to do a lot more uh of the peer work, so they're getting starting to get ready on some of the bridge decks that are going up, but it's uh it's very hit or miss.
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But no, it's it's been good and it's uh it's a process because the way that they're building this is very, very um intricate work, and it takes a long time to piece it together because it's something that you can't do quite quickly.
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Just because some of the spacing and on the rebar, when when they space rebars, because it's designed to you know have the bars in a certain place to take the pressure or shifts or motion or movement from the trains and everything else going across it.
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So it's there's a lot of steel that's going into this project, and it takes a lot of time to do it.
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You know, other jobs you might place 100 bars an hour, this job you're placed in maybe 20.
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Yeah, and and you talk about placement of all that stuff and the vibrations from the train.
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I remember Les's soul, uh former mayor from Sault Ste.
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Marie when I was the junior minister for Northern Development and Mines.
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Um, John Roswell was his name, great guy and good friend Al Paet.
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Al worked with me for a number of years, um, was his campaign manager to get him to be mayor.
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And he was also an engineer, but in Sault Ste.
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Marie, the mayor was a part-time job, which kind of surprised me.
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But what he was working on was a bridge going over the French River, I believe it was, for snowmobiles, for the snowmobile trail, so that snowmobilers can drive over top of the the French bridge.
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And when you're heading up towards the Sioux from from um from southern Ontario, you'll go across the French uh, if you look to the west or to the left, heading to the towards uh the Sioux and and uh Sudbury, you'll see this kind of arching bridge there.
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But the reason I thought it was interesting was is that uh John was uh John Roswell was telling me that it was kind of interesting that they then told them that, of course, that uh people would be using this for walking across in the summertime.
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So they had to change the entire structure of the bridge because a walking vibration was very different than an AT or a snowmobile or ATV vibration going over the bridge.
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So they had to change it all to make sure that when people walked on it, because when you walk with your stride, you put certain stress and it causes the bridge to vibrate certain different ways, that they had to restructure the entire bridge to accommodate walkers to walk across it.
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Which I found interesting.
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So, same like you're saying about trains going over with the rebar and stuff like that?
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Yeah.
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So uh, you know, they're building something that's supposed to be just for people to understand, if it's supposed to hold, you know a thousand tons of pressure, they'll build it to withstand 10,000 pounds of stretch of stress and pressure and weight, because it's hard to always accurate or accurately judge how much weight you're gonna experience or what might happen.
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So if, for example, the strain stalls out and it's sitting on top of the stunning bridge, you know, now there's a concentration of weight.
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It's not like it's gonna be a motion where the some of the force is being moved forwards or backwards, or depending on what's going on.
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So if it sits there, then that's a factor in all that safety stuff as well.
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So it's built for all kinds of issues and things like that that can go wrong.
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Yeah, so and if it's sitting there and I get a heavy snow out, out there, all of a sudden this huge amount of weight of snow sitting on top of the train.
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Yep, that's going on all the structure.
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Yep.
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So that's good.
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Hi everybody, I'm Angelo Viola.
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And I'm Pete Bowman.
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Now you might know us as the hosts of Canada's favorite fishing show, but now we're hosting a podcast.
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Hmm.
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Now what are we going to talk about for two hours every week?
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Well, you know there's gonna be a lot of fishing.
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Okay, we're uh with Tristan in Belleville.
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Tristan, you've had some experience with Chaga, the regular tea.
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Tell us about it.
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Um, so I actually ran into you about a year ago, same place you are now.
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And uh I uh just was like, oh I'll get it back and try it.
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So I think four straight days of drinking one cup of tea every day, I noticed an immediate difference like like in my body just feeling better, and then definitely drink them after drinking the night before like alcohol, it kills hangovers big, big time.
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I'll usually have two afterwards, but what happens, Tristan, is uh hangovers are essentially a lot of free radicals in your brain.
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And the antioxidant level is so high in Chaga that it eliminates a lot of those.
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I get a lot of guys have the same thing when they've had a good night uh and the next day they're hurting feeling for it.
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And so you have the same result, right?
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A couple of cups in your That's right.
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I makes a big difference.
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I've taken them to basket parties multiple times, and friends of mine that don't drink tea ever, I'll have them drink one in the morning, and even they are saying the first time they've ever had them that they notice the difference that day that they don't miss with coffee.
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They're not so like blah, and kind of down, and like don't want to do anything.
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So definitely recommend drinking it regularly.
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Okay, thanks very much, Kristen.
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No problem.
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Okay.
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Hey, thanks for listening.
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Back to the episode.
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So, Garrett, you you were applying for a new job somewhere, and I found it unbelievable what you have to go through to um for this new job.
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Yeah, so the new job is uh Darlington, which is the OPG, which is Ontario Pen Power General Engine.
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And what's going on there is they're putting in nuclear reactors.
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Right.
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And it's a huge investment across actually a lot of Ontario because there's something going up in Pickering.
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Eventually, uh Port Hope's supposed to get a brand new one as well.
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I believe Sault Ste.
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Marie was supposed to get something out of this thing.
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I'm not, I can't quite remember for sure or not, but it's a big deal because what people don't understand, or what I didn't understand as well, is that nuclear setup, yes, it's here in Canada, but it is a worldwide standard.
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And by that I mean is when the floods were going on in Japan and the nuclear actors were getting exposed to the flood damage and everything else or tsunami, they had to make altercations to the nuclear plants there, and then because they did it there, and yes, we're not technically beside an ocean or a sea or anything of that scalable body of water, but we're beside the Great Lakes.
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Right.
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So we had to then implement barrier systems designed for flooding and tsunami and things like that, because this the Great Lakes can be big enough to have waves of, I believe it's like nine meters tall sometimes on the middle of the earth.
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Well, and still back in the the 1950s, Hurricane Hazel came through, um, died off until it hit the Great Lakes, and then it picked up strength over the Great Lakes, and it's like supposed to happen once every hundred years kind of thing.
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That hurricane will come into Darlington and Pickering in that area there.
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Yep.
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And so I guess they're preparing for all that kind of stuff.
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Yeah, so because of that, they had to make changes there.
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And like I said, what I was trying to get at it's a world scale because it happened in Japan.
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Now we have to do it here.
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Despite if it may never have been a situation to happen or not, we still have to do it here because it's like I said, it's a very wide-scale perspective.
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Right.
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So the safety and protocol and the background track is quite extensive because it's flat across the board.
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Well, and that's what I wanted to to talk about was I found it more difficult to be what you're doing basically a rebar construction job, an iron worker job there than it was to become a police officer with the background checks and everything.
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Yeah, so this check is um how long does it take?
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Well, it's a three-month process.
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Three months through a background check.
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And that's I think that's on the fast end.
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So they said actually it was six months still.
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No, they they've gotten it they ramped it up a little bit.
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They brought in more companies to kind of note the numbers or help along the process.
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So it's like a six-stage process.
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So there's your original application, then it's a screen process.
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What's involved in the screen process?
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What does that mean?
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Screen process.
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So the screen process is pretty much they call you and they say, Hey, we now need you to verify your identifications.
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We need to ask you brief questions about your application there, just to kind of do like a quick check to make sure it's like, hey, you have at least some base level of you're not faking it, I guess, or you're not lying about it, you know, just quick clarification stuff.
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So that way they're going through it, they're like, okay, like they didn't miss anything, they didn't miss any stuff.
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And so, for example, like traveling outside of Canada, they want to know all your travel history for not just the last year or two, it's like for the last seven years.
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Traveling outside of Canada, so they check whether you traveled outside of Canada in the last seven years or so.
00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:29.279
Yeah.
00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:31.359
Okay, and then what are they checking for?
00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:35.599
Like where you went or where you went, what are you doing, who are you affiliated with?
00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:37.839
So how do they do that?
00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:47.519
You have to I I the way you talked about it, I thought you were supplying like when you went to Florida and went to Disney, you had to have Disney receipts and hotel receipts and all that kind of stuff.
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Not that extensive.
00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:54.559
They just had to verify, like, you know, that my last trip was to Disney.
00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:57.440
So I had to verify that hey, do you go to Disney?
00:21:57.519 --> 00:21:58.480
How long do you go for?
00:21:58.640 --> 00:21:59.279
What else would you do?
00:21:59.359 --> 00:21:59.839
Blah blah blah.
00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:00.880
Right.
00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:09.839
And I I understand it to a degree, but there there is a point of like you know, I went to Disney and you can check.
00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:11.680
I didn't travel anywhere else.
00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:16.000
So, you know, does going to Disney mean I can't work at a nuclear power plant?
00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:36.480
I think what they're trying to do is find out to make sure that there was an alternative intentions for terrorists who try to get in and do work there or get on-site access to the to the working facility there at the nuclear plants, I think.
00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:36.799
Yeah.
00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:38.559
I'm assuming that's what it's for.
00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:42.319
Yeah, so it's um it's a process.
00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:52.799
So it's like I'm saying it was six stages there, so it's your application, your pre-screen, and then they send it off to three um background agencies.
00:22:53.039 --> 00:23:00.559
And then the fourth one is I don't know if it's one of the like the big worldwide one or something like that, but that's the fourth one.
00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:03.759
And then if once you pass all that, then you get your approval.
00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:09.359
No, they start this process with the understanding that there's a job at the end of it if you pass.
00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:14.319
Or does that mean you just you're in the queue now, and when something comes available, they can call you?
00:23:14.559 --> 00:23:15.359
You're in the queue.
00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:16.000
That's it.
00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:20.160
Yeah, so your screen's good for 10 years, and then every 10 years you have to redo a new screen.
00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:23.759
Even if you're working there or working there, you still have to do a background screen.
00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:24.240
Really?
00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:24.720
Yeah.
00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:26.000
Wow.
00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:29.920
Because uh a couple of uh the bosses explain how the process works.
00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:31.680
It's like, yeah, it's like, oh, did you have it before?
00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:34.720
I'm like, no, I didn't have it before.
00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:36.079
I didn't work there before.
00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:44.880
And he's like, Oh, if you have it for you, you know, sometimes you can if it's still good, and you have 10 years once you have your initial screen process go through.
00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:48.400
That's pretty extensive from what I found.
00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:57.200
It's just uh, you know, so obviously we're looking at things like passports to verify trips and outside where you went outside the country and things like that, et cetera, et cetera.
00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:18.640
Yeah, because and to me it was like I understand nuclear is a different scale, but when I was at Site C in BC, it was it was like a three-week, two-week process, whereas fill up the application, we send it down to a police background check, and it's you know, two, it's more and it's the more extensive police background check, and it's like a two-week process or something like that.
00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:19.119
Yeah.
00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:22.960
And you get back, it's like, yeah, clean, you know, good to go.
00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:29.119
Well, and those police background checks, I gotta tell you, because I'm the guy responsible for a lot of those background checks now.
00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:38.720
So what happened was when uh when I was a kid, I recall uh my father saying, uh, whatever happens, you stay away from him, you don't go near him, anything else.
00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:44.319
And uh um, and I asked why, and he went into cop mode because he was a cop, because I said so.
00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:53.279
And then uh two years later, uh um I remember asking uh my dad, your grandfather, uh, why did you tell me to stay away from that guy?
00:24:53.440 --> 00:25:06.160
He said, Because he had um arrested him for sexually molesting a 14-year-old in downtown Oshawa, and there was no way to identify him or remove him from his position at that time.
00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:08.799
And so I thought that was completely wrong.
00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:17.039
So then I worked and brought in background checks, vulnerable person checks to make sure that any individuals are identified, at least.
00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:18.960
And that's only if somebody's been convicted.
00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:21.440
I mean, if if somebody hasn't been caught, then it's not a problem.
00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:25.839
People whined about that, but you had to start somewhere and you had to start to deal with the stuff.
00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:34.880
And quite frankly, it was because when you were playing hockey, one of the parents came to me and said, that guy in the ice should not be there uh refing with those with those kids.
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:35.359
What?
00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:36.400
Well, how do you know that?
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:37.279
I can't tell you.
00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:38.559
Well, why can't you tell me?
00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:39.279
Because of my job.
00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:39.920
Well, what?
00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:45.200
Anyways, and found out, yeah, that person should not be out there with kids and was quickly removed.
00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:58.160
So what took place then was we brought in, I brought in legislation that had uh background checks for all the coaches and people that were dealt with kids and vulnerable people, and it went Canada wide.
00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:00.079
So I was the one responsible for that.
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.359
So but believe me, the referees didn't like that.
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:09.279
So when they found out that was the guy who made us do that, then boy, is he ever in trouble.
00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:16.720
So that was some of the reason why it was to make sure that the right individuals were were not out there.
00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:34.319
And the uh the background checks, obviously, like you said, for Site C, which is uh Canada's largest hydro dam on the Peace River that you did, was uh was necessary to to make sure not only that, but you had to do uh blood uh drug testing too for that one, I believe, did you not?
00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:43.279
Yeah, so then it's drug testing, and then it was um there's one other test you do, I can't remember what it was, but it was like drug and alcohol test.
00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:46.720
And they just have to make sure that's like you're not on anything.
00:26:46.799 --> 00:27:01.519
And yes, weed was legal all the time, but you're not allowed to partake in that recreational thing during any work facility or during any time when you were there because it's very strict of you know like it's a major project.
00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:12.640
It's and it's also again, so it's not a nuclear plant, but if that dam was ever sabotaged, if that's the theory of what's going on, you know, that's a major energy producer for BC.
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:21.279
That's a major dam structure on the Peace River that at the time I'm sure if that went down or something happened, the flooding that would cause would be very significant, yeah.
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:21.920
Yeah.
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:27.279
So you know, it's there's still a huge level there of risk that you have to consider.
00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:36.480
Yeah, so a lot of those checks, but I I found the working uh applying to the nuclear plant three years, and you know, where'd you go on your holiday?
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:37.200
What'd you do?
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:42.480
Check your passport to make sure that's what it says you went to, and things like that, to verify everything.
00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:44.559
It was it was rather elaborate, mind you.
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:50.559
I haven't applied or talked to anybody about the police application uh for working in in those sectors.
00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:54.720
So I was quite surprised, but uh it was rather interesting.
00:27:54.960 --> 00:28:01.039
So and then so you're nearing the end of that now, and you think there might be a job at the end of it?
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:10.720
Yeah, so I was um I actually received an email last week about my screening that it was into stage two or no, three or four now.
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:11.359
Right.
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:17.839
And at that stage, you can't they can apply for if you need it to get sooner, right?
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:33.200
You can apply for a work permit or work and training permit, right, which will allow you to do like a three-day safety course, and I guess like you know, pre-job hiring.
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:40.880
Um then you can go do that course and get there about a couple weeks earlier while you're still waiting for your full clearance.
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:41.440
Right.
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:44.640
Um but yeah, it's quite the process still.
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:53.440
But, anyways, going back to something you said earlier, though, on the start here, you said how something about giraffe in Africa will start eating a tree and then it sends out signals.
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:57.920
Yeah, you read some book or told me that with some books that you read that kind of indicated that, talked about that.
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:06.880
Yeah, I just wanted to touch on it because it was something that was kind of cool because you don't really think of, you know, you don't think of like the intelligence of animals, but you also don't think of the intelligence of trees.
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:07.839
Yeah, and plants.
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:10.400
So they send out electrical pulses.
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:14.559
So say a giraffe is eating a tree at X location, right?
00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:22.000
Right, and it'll send out electrical pulses through the ground that will be received by other trees.
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:27.680
And then usually I don't remember what type of tree the giraffe is supposed to be eating or what their diet is there, right?
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:33.759
But the tree will then pump toxins into its needles and barbs or whatever the giraffe is eating.
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:34.319
Yeah.
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:45.119
And what happens is the giraffe won't just go to the next tree because the electrical signals that are sent out are going in like kilometers or miles of radius.
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:45.680
Right.
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:58.799
So, yes, there's lots of food in certain locations, but it becomes scarce because the toxins being pumped into the leaves or the needles of the trees that the giraffes are eating are turning the nutrients bitter.
00:29:58.960 --> 00:29:59.119
Yeah.
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:11.200
So then they'll only eat for a certain thing, and then they'll have to walk for like miles and miles because that signal would have died off, or the threat would have been, okay, well, it's coming from three miles away.
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:12.640
Oh, it's not concerning me.
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:12.960
Yeah.
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:19.119
And instead just jump into the next one, which is already pumping toxins into its needles to stop people or stop the giraffes from eatings.
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:23.119
They'll walk like three or four or five miles, even more, yeah, and feed for the next one.
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:37.039
Well, for for the listeners that are listening, if you um if you do a YouTube search on the secret uh secret language of trees, um, you'll see where they connect through their roots through a a fungal relationship.
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:44.319
It's an arbuscular one that circles the roots and then it communicates to each other that way through the through the ground.
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:54.720
But uh the one uh that you told me about before in Africa I found interesting, but I wasn't sure how it was um communicated to the other trees to release the the stuff that turns the leaves bitter.
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:57.119
Yeah, so like I said, it's just a process.
00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:05.920
And then the same goes, another example is given was um I believe it was with beetles somewhere in North America.
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:16.079
And you know, these beetles are insects that are chewing the leaves, it'll do the exact same thing where it'll send out these pulses and warnings and it will stop.
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:18.960
And actually, what these trees do is different.
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:23.920
It'll pump out a uh pheromone that'll attract insects, right?
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:26.160
That'll eat these other bugs.
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:26.960
Oh yeah.
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:30.880
And that's what it'll do to protect itself.
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:31.359
Right.
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:38.960
So there you just sit there and use like, you know, you walk through the forest hundreds of thousands of times, but you don't sit there and think about like, what is a tree thinking about?
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:39.440
Yeah.
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:41.359
Yeah, how does it communicate?
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:46.559
How does it yeah, it it's it's fascinating to see these these sorts of things taking place.
00:31:46.640 --> 00:32:02.079
And I think the it's in uh one of the northwestern states where the the largest living organism in the world is uh uh a huge mass of uh fungal network, which is kilometers long, is what I understand.
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:05.680
So it it's kind of huge just the way they communicate and everything else.
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:09.279
But there there's so many things that we don't realize that take place out there.
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:15.039
And I uh yeah, I remember you telling me about the giraffes, but I didn't realize it was an electronic pulse.
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:22.880
Yeah, yeah, it was an electronic pulse, they said, and uh it sends it out through the ground to the root systems, and other trees pick up.
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:24.880
Kind of like a radio frequency in a way.
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:25.519
Yeah.
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:26.799
Well, very interesting.
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:27.599
All right, Garrett.
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:37.759
Well, I think we got a good update on what's happening and all the process that you're going through and what's taking place over uh potentially at Darlington, which is uh a lot closer to home, so to speak.
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:40.079
Yeah, it's a lot closer to home, which is nice.
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:42.559
And uh, you know, it's a big project.
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:57.839
There's I believe it's eight structures in total, but there might be more because there's, you know, these projects, there's always add-ons because they'll get halfway through something and they go, Well, the ground's already cleared and regulation might come out in 20 years, so let's just do it now.
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.480
So they might add on more things and more things to it.
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:26.640
Yeah, there was a lot of that theory for things on it, because I can recall when the the major free ray uh structures were taking place, uh it was something that I I kind of learned was that a lot of times they will build interchanges now because even though the population isn't going to utilize it extensively, but within 10, 15 years, it'll start to use it then.
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:35.359
And the cost to build the interchange and shut down the highways 10, 15 years from now is significantly higher than what it is now.
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:41.519
So it was more cost effective when they have the funds to do that to build it then, even though it's gonna not be used for a while.
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:42.240
Oh, absolutely.
00:33:42.400 --> 00:34:00.240
And it to me it makes sense because the way like things are going around here with traffic, like you know, and driving back into it every day now on a regular, you do realize it's like the traffic is such backed up that they are scrambling for solutions to get heck, it means they get a thousand cars off the road.
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:00.559
Yeah.
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:04.480
You know, it doesn't make that big of a dent, but a thousand cars is still a thousand cars.
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:04.960
Yeah.
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:23.519
Well, my sister Charmaine, great person, she was just here, just took her to the airport today because she was here for for over three weeks, uh staying at uh mom's place at uh um my mom's and mum's 91, and she was spending some time, quite a bit of time with her.
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:27.119
And I took her to the airport, and sure enough, you know, the backlog there.
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:36.400
But when the the the other highway it's reducing a lot of the stress on the main highway 401 here just uh east of Toronto.
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:37.679
But it was interesting.
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:50.800
Um I found out that they did a see the 407, which was originally a toll highway, uh, it was put in place and it was not added to the provincial debt because it was a toll highway.
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:58.320
So uh that was a great way to provide jobs for the construction sector to build major roads.
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:01.440
And so what that did was it's kind of a snowball effect.
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:15.440
So while all the major construction companies are doing that, they're not bidding on all the small jobs in local municipalities, so that freed up construction workers to work in other municipalities and not compete with the big players.
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:25.599
But what I found interesting was that they couldn't do the expansion on the 401 until after the highway called 407 here was built.
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:34.480
Otherwise, if 407 was built, the cost feasibility would be, it would not be able to cover itself and would be added to the provincial debt debt.
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:45.199
So they had to build the 407 first in order to supply the to comply with the auditor general's requirement to have it not part of the debt before they did an expansion on the 401.
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:52.320
So 401 expansion is going through now, but uh just the way some of these things take place, you you don't really understand it.
00:35:52.639 --> 00:36:01.039
Doesn't make a lot of sense overall, but in order to make sure the books are balanced and everything is in compliance, that's the way those b structures had to get done.
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:17.440
407 first, because it was cost feasibly um figured to cover the cost, so it wouldn't be added to provincial debt based on the the current usages before they did any expansion, because if they did expansion on 401, then it wouldn't be cost feasible and would have been added to provincial debt.
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:18.079
Yep.
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:24.960
And you know, and there's other things too that just mesmerizing is like the engineering that goes into the highway.
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:27.360
Uh like the engineering there, sorry.
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:27.679
Yeah.
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:38.239
Um it's just remarkable, because I know a statement that you said to me that always just kind of stuck when I was a kid is that the the 401 is running at a hundred times its built capacity.
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:39.840
Yeah, it's design capacity, yeah.
00:36:40.159 --> 00:37:09.280
And it's and it's a hundred times, and you know, and you look it up and it's actually like a factor, and it's just you sit there and you go, a hundred times its capacity, and we're only recently just doing any you know development for road and trying to get traffic going or taking less like more vehicles off the road, make transporting easy, like yeah, we it was amazing because uh the the chief engineer Kevin Pask at uh Ministry of Transportation when I was junior minister there, he was the one who told me that it was operating at a hundred times its design capacity.
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:12.800
They had no idea that that many vehicles would be able to utilize it.
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:15.440
And and people, you know, they they adjust and adopt.
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:20.159
I mean, when we were in Egypt, do you remember the the traffic there in Egypt at all?
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:24.559
There'd be like three lanes, but there'd be five lanes of cars because nobody stayed in the lanes.
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:32.400
They just made extra lanes and used all the curbs and everything else and and the shoulders to drive on because the the the traffic was so bad there.
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:44.480
And the other thing that was really neat, I thought, when we were in Egypt, was the license plates there, people painted them on a uh on a piece of uh plywood and stuck it on the back of their car.
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:45.199
Their numbers.
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:48.800
It didn't have to be a a structured license plate like we get here.
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:56.880
And so it just had to be numbers on a on a on a those ones were plywood, and they were just painted on the plywood and put in the license plot.
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:04.719
But yeah, so even there, the lanes were three lanes, there'd be five lanes of cars going through to accommodate all that.
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:06.400
And it's the same thing here.
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.760
People learn how to adjust and modify to accommodate for it.
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:10.320
Yep.
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:10.800
Yep.
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:18.880
Well, you know, and people will still complain it's all the highway's too slow, and and but you sit there and it's like it's running at a hundred times its capacity.
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:19.360
Yeah.
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:25.679
So there's a point of like, you know, we're complaining, but it's like, hey, it's still doing its job.
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:26.079
Yeah.
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:37.360
Well, when Pierre came down from just outside of Timmins to work with me when I was minister, he, you know, he he he was his big thing was we need more, we need better roads in northern Ontario.
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:42.239
So after a month here, I said to him, I said, okay, Pierre, which is it?
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:43.679
Where would you spend the money now?
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:46.159
On the roads in northern Ontario or southern Ontario?
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:47.679
And there was no hesitation at all.
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:50.400
Southern Ontario, they need the roads built down here.
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:55.360
We got nothing to complain about up there until they see these backlogs of cars here.
00:38:55.679 --> 00:39:01.039
Yeah, well, like I said, sometimes you get to work in half an hour and you get home, it takes you two hours.
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:01.519
Yep.
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:03.679
You know, I'm lucky where my location is.
00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:09.599
I'm not on the like the far end or the south end of the uh LRT.
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:12.960
I'm on the north end of it, so I'm missing most of the downtown traffic.
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:22.559
But if I for sure it was downtown, my drive would be from an hour and uh 20-15 minutes to uh probably close close to two hours, I'd say.
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:23.360
Yeah.
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:24.719
All right, Garrett.
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:30.480
Well, I appreciate the updates, and I know my listeners who were answering questions about that, they like to hear about the updates.
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And everything's going good with uh your son Gritton.
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Yeah, Gritton's good.
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He's he's growing.
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Uh I keep hearing that he's gonna be a tall baby, or gonna be a tall kid, or a tall man when he grows up, and you know, because he's measuring in the over 90 percentile for his height.
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Um, and he's already, yeah, he just turned four months there, and he's already in uh six-month outfit.
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So quite the jump there.
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Well, all is good, and thanks, Garrett, for the update on everything, and just some more information about what's happening out there under the canopy.
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Thanks, Garrett.
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No problem.
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