Impactful UAP Cases

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UAP Unidentified anomalous phenomena. Are they extraterrestrial, inter dimensional time
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travelers in origin, or are they simply a result of
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top secret military projects, false flag alien invasions, silent drones,
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or other human made aircraft. Join the discussion now on
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UAP Crossfire.
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Good Ivan to the greatest podcast audience in the planet.
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You've tuned into UAP Crossfire, your podcast of choice for
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all things UAP, and here with the crew tonight we
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have your usual lineup of veteran investigators, of veterans, they
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have all served our nation. Well we solve you guys.
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Thank you for your service. Welcome to Chris Depernol.
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How are you doing, Chris, I'm doing great, dre It'll
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be a good shown.
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I think it will be. Commander Cobra, welcome, good to
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see it, brother. How are you doing.
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Good evening.
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And I'd also like to let the audience know that
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it's a little known fact, but the violin plane was
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Decker on our show. Just let you know that.
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Well, I didn't know that. Good evening, mister Decker, Maestro Decker.
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Should I say I'll thank you? Sunny California tonight.
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Very warm, very warm, and my wife has been on
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my case to get outside and pick up our doggie
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love deposits. And I said, when it's cooler, much cooler.
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I guess that's what December.
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Now, that'll be early wee hours in the morning.
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I see wee hours in the morning. There he is.
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I have just the opposite situation here done in the
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Great Northeast Territories. I have to wait till the sun's
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up around ten or eleven PM to clean up, so
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I don't have to use a pickaxe and a shovel.
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Yeah. I was going to ask you, you're in the
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North Country. As we get into the summer months, how
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late does the sun stay up up there in Maine?
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We get probably where I'm at, nine forty probably the latest. Wow. Now,
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when I was in Germany it would be ten forty.
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I was, you know, higher latitude. When I was in Vermont,
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right on the forty fifth parallel, it was ten fifteen,
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ten twenty at the height.
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Yeah.
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You know, people don't realize that most of Europe is
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like north of Minneapolis, Minnesota. Yeah, we got a map
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straight across. It's pretty far north up there.
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Once upon a time they were nothing but ice fields,
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like we were here in North America until the younger,
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driest thing and then they kind of melted.
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You were growing up, then tell us what it was
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like when.
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School cold, very cold.
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Okay, Well, we got a special show tonight for our listeners.
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Each of us has been asked to delve into our
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past and come up with the three most impactful UAP
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sightings or events that have touched our lives in some way.
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Maybe it was the one that kindled our interest, or
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something that was brought us an emotional response, something we
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found scientifically interesting. And we're going to go through those
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this evening, and I think as the way I'd like
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to do is just go around the horn, give us
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one at a time, and give us an opportunity to
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to talk about them. Commander a question, Yes, a question.
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Just I'd like to put a question out to the
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audience and and to my host. What will be the
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impact of tariffs on UAP sitings? Wow, look at the
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look at the the look as they're trying to analyze here.
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I am just trying to throw a little current event.
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We've you know, we've got the global trade war going
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on tariff. I just want to know if there's going
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to be an impact on UAP sightings.
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I was going to ask you, Commander, if you've been
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in the moonshine.
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Early of course, back where you're right, it's not that
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not early, my friend.
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Remember it's always five o'clock in Maine.
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That's an interesting question.
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I thought I would go first because what really got
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me interested in the whole thing was a story I
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read when I was about nine years old, and it
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was one of these books about the strange things of
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our planet and the mysteries that have been unsolved. I
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remember the name of it, but it had things in
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there about UFOs and Bigfoot, and there was this thing
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called the David Lang mystery. And maybe it's something that
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a lot of people haven't heard of. But what happened
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was on September twenty third, eighteen eighty is allegedly when
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this took place. There was an incident on a farm
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near is it Gallatin, Tennessee or Glatton, Tennessee? Forgive me
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if I'd mispronounced that, And it basically sounds like something
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that would be from the X Files. But here's what happened.
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There's a farm with David Lang and his wife, Emma Lang,
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and their two kids, George and Sarah kids are playing
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in the yard. Missus Lang is up there on the
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porch watching them play, and David starts to head across
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the pasture a check on some horses. Now, at just
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about that time, a local judge named August Heck and
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his brother in law roll up in their horse drawn buggy,
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catching the family's attention, and David waves and then he
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turns back towards the house and he supposedly just out
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of existence, right there in front of everybody. And so
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initially they thought, well, maybe he fell in a hole
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or an abandoned well, or a mine or something. So
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they all converge on the spot that they saw him,
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and there's nothing there. He's simply gone. And then supposedly
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what happened was a year later, his daughter, missing her
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dad terribly, is out around that same spot, and they
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know it's the same spot because the grass, depending upon
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the account, is either growing excessively or not growing at
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all in a circular formation. As she hears her father
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calling for help at that exact location, summon some others
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and they can hear him too, but it's getting faint,
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fainter and fainter, and that's the last anybody heard of
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David lying? Now, have any of guys heard of that
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story before?
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Yeah? Yeah, so absolutely, that's an old one.
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Huh yeah, eighteen eighty. But you know, when you're a
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nine year old kid and you read that people can
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suddenly just poof out of existence, it gets your attention
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and it scared me. But sadly it appears to be
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this was a hoax. And what happened was there was
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a science fiction horror writing contest and some researchers, Robert
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Forrest and Bob Rickards, smelled something fishy. They looked into this.
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They checked census records, property deeds, and local archives and
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Gallatin and in Nashville, and there's no record of any
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David Lang or m. A. Lang, No judge August Peck,
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no newspaper clippings about supposed disappearance, or a guy ev
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operating in the field. Just a dead end trail. A
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librarian named herschel Paine also poked around and found out
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that there's no trace of a written record of this event.
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So where to come from? Leading stories pointed to a
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short story by Ambrose Bierce called The Difficulty of Crossing
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a Field and I was published in eighteen eighty eight,
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later in a nine eighteen ninety three collection, Can Such
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Things Be? And that was the time in our country
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when a lot of people were really getting into this
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horror sci fi. Pulp magazines were coming in new existence,
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and a lot of people were putting forward things that
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they thought were just good campfire stories. Another account says
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it came from a lying contest. Apparently some of these
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towns looking for entertainment or cable or satellite dishes would
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get together and see who could tell the biggest lie.
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But nonetheless, you're a nine year old kid and you
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read something like that, it gets you to thinking. And
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that's what really got me going initially into what were
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then UFOs and cryptozoology and comments.
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Comments, Yeah, I'd first like to point out that Tennessee
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makes some of the finest whiskey, and that could have
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been an accelerant in this story.
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What do you think it's prove?
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I you know, even though that's lie and it's a
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fabricated story, those things are actually happening. David Polis wrote
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Missing four one one, and he has actual accounts of
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people who've lost their children and they are in the
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middle of a field or in the backyard or wherever
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they're camping at and they suddenly just disappear.
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You know.
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They said, I turned my head for one second and
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look back, and there's no way she can run that far.
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She's a small toddler. And you know, David's had many
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stories of that type of thing, and I actually investigated
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one in the the Dutchess County area of New York,
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where a woman said years ago, when her child was
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very young, she was playing in sandbox. She says, I
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got this and she actually showed me this big picture
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window and the child was playing in sandbox and you know,
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like every mother, there's something on the table, you're moving
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or you're doing something. And she says, it was only
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for a second, and I it's a you know, it's
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a big lawn, there's nothing the obstruct the view. But
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the child was gone, and she frantically went onside, didn't
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see where it is. She goes inside and the child
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is back playing in the sandbox again. And when you know,
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that night they saw a triangle hovering over the house
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across the street. So they're trying to put to we
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can't put two to do together because they never did
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see a craft over their house, but they did see
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one across the street over the neighbor's house. So there
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has been many, many sightings and many abductions in the
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Dutchess County. You know, the Pine Bush area became very famous.
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I call it the you know, the area fifty one
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of the East Coast.
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You know, people don't often think that you know, something
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like this happens that often, but you are a detective,
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and so is done, you would know that. We have
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I believe five hundred thousand reports of missing people each
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year in the United States, and missing person cases are
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probably the most common kind of a case. I've been
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told about half of those are eventually resolved. Now, just
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as a case where you mentioned Chris, where somebody wanders
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off and is gone for several hours, a quarter of
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a million people just gone that don.
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Well.
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Back in nineteen eighty nine, a friend of mine, who
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was at that time the state director for move on
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the state of Idaho. We met, found out, we had
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mutual interest, became friends, and he came to me one
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day with a story a case that just popped open.
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Now let me preface that by saying, back in nineteen.
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Eighty one, eighty two.
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I was involved, as a matter of fact, was lead
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investigator originally on two cattle mutilations in the state of Idaho,
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which incidentally, I might add, we're never solved. But with
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that being said, I was familiar with the mutilation phenomena.
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I had not at that point met Linda Moultenhowe, but
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I was aware of her when she.
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Was a reporter.
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Still a reporter did a special called A Strange Harvest
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that dealt with that. So, I mean, I was familiar
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with the mutilation thing. And this fellow, the state director
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of Idaho, his name was Don Mason, and he said, hey, Don,
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he said, I got something here. He said, I just
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don't know what to do with. And so I asked,
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I said, well, what is it. Well, between Jerome, Idaho,
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and I'm trying to remember now what the other town was,
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some people out I guess they were hiking, came across
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the nude body of a man who was He was dead,
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he was exangminated and he had parts of his body removed,
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just like the cattle mutilations. Now that kind of put
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me onto something because I knew John Keel periodically kill
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was in New York. I was out west I would
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talk to Keel, had a great respect for him for
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the stuff that.
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He brought forward over the years.
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And he said, oh man, he said, mutilations.
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It's an old story. And then he gave me some examples.
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Well, I said, what the hell, I got nothing else
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really going on, I'm going to jump into it.
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And I did for about three four solid years. I
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beat my head on the wall. Okay.
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Now, the reason I mention all this is that this
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is something that I thought David Palides would find of interest.
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Now I knew Palads all right, And as a matter
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of fact, I interviewed Polids and his missing four to
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one one books on my radio show, which at that
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time was on cyber Station USA out of Boston. Now,
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I'm gonna be very honest and blood okay, because that's
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that's the way you guys know me.
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I I've never counted.
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I'm going to say done. That's really not an announcement
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we really need. If we need the announcement that you're
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going to go off.
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That's that so okay.
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The stock contes teachers just took a dive because they
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got scared.
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For a second, David Pleades is an acquired taste all right,
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I had. I had a tremendous amount of audience interest
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in having him back on periodically, so I said, yeah, yeah,
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the hell.
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That's that's a great idea. So I called him and.
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Somebody picked up the phone and hung it up, and
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I called him back. Somebody picked up the phone and
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hung it up. Oh, I guess he didn't want to
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talk to anybody.
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Time and I called him again, not that day, but
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a different day, and reached nobody. Okay, So I figured, well,
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I don't know what's going on. I'm not going to
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bug the guy. Obviously he didn't want to be bugged.
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Then on from Facebook, out of the blue, I get
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a request for Facebook friendship with him, and I said,
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oh my god, yeah, and I approved it.
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Thirty seconds later.
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On my private Facebook page, He's got this.
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Big commercial, you know, thing for his books and.
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Everything on my private page, and I got to say
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that irritated me, and I immediately took it down, and
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then I got in touch with him. I said, look,
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I've got a dark Matage radio fan page on Facebook.
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You're more than welcome to put it up there. Well,
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what'd you say it down?
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I said, Well, I took it down because number one,
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it's my private Facebook page. Number two, I just said
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you could go on the Dark Matters page and put
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it there, and hey, the story's closed.
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Well nobody else ever did that.
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And then he immediately blocked me. Okay, so what are
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you gonna do that. That's not the way somebody professionally acts.
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And the guy is supposedly a next cop, so hey,
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all right, I'll be the first to admit I was
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a little pissed off about that.
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But either hide it well though, Decker as you hide
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and well, so it's funny you bring it up, because
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mister please, I tried to get him on Task Force
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Griffin and the phone got answered and the email got answered,
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and they said, we're not interested in your style of show.
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I said, okay, thanks so much of your time, like
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the books, like the research continued success. So maybe it
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was he knew that I was connected to you, don
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I don't know, that could be it.
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Maybe that's what happened to you, that.
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They knew that in the future you were going to
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be connected with me, because all that happened with you
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before you and I were were linked up.
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So I don't know.
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I just want to chime in. Don I think you're right.
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He's an acquired taste. And when I met him, he
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wasn't just he wasn't a flavor of choice for me.
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Well, you know, look, I try to treat everybody with
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their due respect.
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And hey, I'll sit there. I'm a great listener. Man.
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You wouldn't believe to some of the shit I've listened to.
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But you know, I'll sit there and you know, talk away.
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But you know that kind of thing.
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That that that's not good, that's not good.
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Trying a pastor all bet.
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You know, I would love to go into a confession
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booth one time. I wonder how many cases I could
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solve if I sit in a confession both I would
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you know I would do that. I would dress up
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as a priests, go in the confession booth and tell
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all you sitters call over here, anybody I can put
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the handcuffs that night.
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You're going You're going straight to hell.
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Chris, Commander, you didn't weigh in on the David Langer
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disappearance subject. And I know that you have participated at
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that in your day in some search and rescue type operations.
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What are your thoughts on disappears?
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Well, I took a different approach to the assignment tonight,
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Quadri being raised a good Catholic and going to parochial school,
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and I am no longer a practicing Catholic. So we'll
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let all those things work with the sanctity of the confession.
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In some doubt with Christaperno.
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I want to I want to take I have a
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three way run on this and the first one I'm
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going to talk about it's kind of what you talked about, Dan,
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What got what?
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What? What?
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Lift the spark?
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You know?
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What?
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What? What's what got it going? And I have to
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say it's my dad. My dad was a rabbit UFO.
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Enthusiast.
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I mean, he was just absolutely taken with it. I
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think it was partially the outgrowth of what was going
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on with the Mercury Space program at that time to
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talk about going to the moon. And I believe it
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was Frank Edwards books. I am almost positive that UFO
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magazine was in the house at least once. And here
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we are with with Don and Vicky, we're here on
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the show. So the house was filled with paperbacks, and
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paperbacks was the medium in that day.
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I mean, there were just one after another.
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Some of it much like the story that you open with,
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you know, a very small shred of light in the
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sky turns into a a pulp masterpiece of you know,
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eighty to one hundred and fifty pages. And my parents
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had no problem explaining to me that extraterrestrials could exist.
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It was not a threat to their religious beliefs. It
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didn't I didn't see any of it. It just didn't
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make sense not to think that that. And one thing
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I do like to credit both my parents with is
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they've They've always given me a pretty good guidance son,
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never try to estimate or call how God has this
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set up. And I knew that was going to make
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the Padre smile because that seems to be where we
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where we get a little bit of muck as a
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group of people. Now, with that said, that very first
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really big deal that went on, I was very young
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when we had the Hills Barney and Betty right up
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the road from US Exeter, the Exeter UFO.
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Experience that happened.
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My parents would get in the car, we would drive
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up to those locations. We would look at the places
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where this went on. There was a report in Leminster,
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mass of something over the City Hall, and it was
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just part of my very early childhood that this was
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something that was happening, and that really starting with my dad.
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And I'd have to say that the Hills and Exeter
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probably was the really big tip off for me. And
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I'm you know, with thinking back, I probably was in
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the any place from three up to about six or
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seven with those activities, those things that were happening.
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So that really was what started.
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And you know, every area around this country and around
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this globe has UFO UAP activity and it goes up
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and down in different cycles of of things that are happening,
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what people are seeing with the reporting. And I live
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in wonder now with the kind of times that we're
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in now, why we're not seeing more.
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Had your father had a UFO experience? Did he recounted?
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No, he didn't. I think he would love to have
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had it. In fact, I remember, and I'm laughing because
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it was it was a family outing to the theater
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when the theater was the thing, and we went to
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see Close Encounters of the Third and my dad wanted
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to be Richard Dreyfus in that movie.
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He wanted that experience.
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We were driving home and my mom and Dad are
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in the front seat of the car, a Dodge Dart,
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a blue Dodge Dart, light blue, and I remember my
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mom saying, so you would have gotten on the spaceship
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and my dad without really thinking, you know, let the
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truth fall out. Yeah, I couldn't pass that up. So
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immediately that led to you know, well, what about me
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and your son and that whole thing that was going on.
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So a little inside.
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Look, this is a show that my parents will not
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be allowed to hear. They're both still living, thankfully, so
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they will not be allowed to hear this show because
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I don't want to relive that whole moment with them
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now in their late eighties, because I'm sure my mom
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will like that beyond it like it was back when
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that movie came up.
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Well, I know, I used to drive a Dodge Dark,
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the brown one with a white racing.
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Well that was that was the Swinger. We had the
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two door Swinger that had the that that Dodge brown
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with the white. I think we had the double piping
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if I remember correctly.
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I got t boned by a guy in a little
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red car that was adorned with marijuana leaves. Oh my gosh, shocking.
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I can't even imagine how that could have happened.
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I just wanted to come in quickly because you touched
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on something, and I got a question for all of you.
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But if I had to name three impactful cases for myself,
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because meeting him and getting to know him.
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Travis is number one on my list.
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Sure.
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Number two is the Betting and Betty and Bonnie Hill,
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not just because of the case, because if you think
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about what was going on at that time, absolutely with
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the civil rights movement, inter racial and they do you
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think they actually wanted all that attention to them coming
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out with this?
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I don't mister Hill.
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Barney Hill said he wanted nothing to do with this
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because he thought I was attracting from his work in
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the sivil Ice.
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Park, not to mention at the time they were an
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interracial couple when that wasn't around exactly.
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And third is Roswell because of all the things that
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attached to Roswell. But I want to ask all of
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you this question because for me, an impactful case is
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my own, my own personal experience, both in ninety five
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ninety nine, and I know Don has an experience, and
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I know maybe a few of you may have. It
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changes everything the way you perceive things the way you
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look at things. I mean, it is a life changing experience.
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And even when I was on the beach and Mount Hook,
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when I saw the lights over the ocean, I felt
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a spiritual connection to it. You know, it was something
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I was not scared, it was beautiful. I didn't It
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was like a personal connection to something that was going
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on in front of me, and it changed my whole perception.
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And believe it or not, it's because of those.
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Experiences that I sit here today with you doing what
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I do because I am still seeking for that truth
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and I want answers and I want to hear what
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all of you have to say, and the guests that
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come on and the people that interact in chat.
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I mean, for me, this is a journey and.
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I'm still on that journey and listening to all of
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you talking about this is just fascinating. So I'm going
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to let it get back to you. But have you
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My question going back to it is have any of
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you had any personal experience and did that change anything
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within you how you view things and your perception of things,
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Because it.
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Is I'm going to jump in on this one.
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Scott, I'm out, so I haven't had the benefit of
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that kind of reaction or that kind of interaction, but
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I have. As we've said before in the show, as
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I think we all, I don't need the government to
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tell me or anything else to tell me what this is.
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I believe in an invisible God to most too many
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people on this on this little blue planet. Now I
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see things connected to that belief and that experience that
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tell me that that God exists.
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So I it's not a hard lead for me to understand.
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Now the intricacies of are we talking about good guys,
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bad guys?
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Is there evil? Is there?
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Is there good spirituality connected with I think all those
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are possibilities, and I'm very intrigued to hear that. The
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couple things that I did have happened in the past
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turned out to be advanced military systems things, and in
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one of them it was actually comical what it was.
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Still can't really talk about it, but the technology they
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were going for a very specific way of not being
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seen easily and being able to stay in the air
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a long time, and it.
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Looked a heck of a lot.
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But it was like a lot of women that I
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do look better at a distance in the dark kind
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of thing. If that makes any sense, Please no letters
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to Bill SkyWatch or just send the hate email right
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to commandic cover kg dbgmail dot com. He doesn't need
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to say through that. So I did have one recent
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in the last four or five years where I saw
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the and I talked about it on the show a
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number of times, where the sphere, the ball of light,
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what it was, and how it moved, how it departed.
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That was extraordinary, the rapid acceleration that we hear talk about.
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And it was on a very very busy road as
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I was driving up through Connecticut coming back up into
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Maine where I lived, and it was because it's traffic
496
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was slow and we were just easing along and I
497
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:06.519
had the opportunity to look around very unusual place for
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this to happen, between Dan Barry and coming up to
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the line. So I understand that, and I think that
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it's a real gift that people have the experience where
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they have a positive spiritual kind of charging out of it,
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that they find some kind of fulfillment and it sets
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them up on.
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That don You have investigated probably tens of thousands of
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cases in your life. Is there a one that just
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stands out as a life changer for you.
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Are you talking criminal or are you talking uap?
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Okay, well, there are actually three cases that I consider
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of extreme importance.
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00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.680
But before I go there, let me say this.
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When my wife Vicki and I were publishing UFO magazine,
512
00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:21.279
we were often in contact with the DoD NASA, but
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00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:26.240
it heads with every skeptic of note across the United
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00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:33.880
States and in the UK. And in nineteen ninety one
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00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:42.119
ninety two, we became privy to a document that surfaced
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out of NASA. Okay, Now, before I go any further
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with that, I've got to say this, NASA, going back
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00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:57.319
to when Dwight Eisenhower created the agency was always considered
519
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:01.960
the good guys. Okay, going back to the very beginning
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00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:05.559
of the American race into space, and then of course
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under President Kennedy, we got the challenge to.
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Go to the Moon and so on and so forth.
523
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:20.240
Now, it wasn't until Congress, in its infinite wisdom, and
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00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.039
I say that with my tongue firmly in my cheek,
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00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:31.759
every time they would get into a cost cutting mode,
526
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.640
one of the first places they would go to is
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00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:39.400
NASA and chopped their legs out from under them. Perfect
528
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:44.119
case in point was the SETI program the NASA had
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00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:48.119
set up. Okay, they had scheduled it for ten years
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00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:53.039
to use NASA equipment, facilities, etc. To search for an
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00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:57.839
ET signal. Lasted one year and they cut it. Okay,
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00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:02.599
and it was infinitesimal, and the budget of things, well,
533
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:08.079
nineteen ninety one ninety two, there was a great deal
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00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:14.440
of controversy among a number of things dealing with NASA.
535
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:22.200
One of them involved a very small nuclear generator okay,
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00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:26.680
that they had intended to place on their probes and
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00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:30.400
spacecraft and what have you, which would give them, for
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00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:34.119
all intents and purposes, all the power they could want
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00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:37.839
to run that equipment until the thing crashed into a
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planet or something. Well, a lot of people had a
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lot of questions, and NASA, which always filed itself as
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the most open federal latency around, Okay, we're getting snowed
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00:33:52.319 --> 00:34:00.599
under with FOYA requests. Well, somewhere inside NASA somebody decided,
544
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:04.680
we're tired of this stuff. We don't have to answer
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00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.440
all these Foyer requests, so they.
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Put out a memorandum.
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The memorandum stated to all mid level management.
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This is what you do.
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You mix up the documents, you mix up the files,
550
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:23.320
you change the file names, and all this kind of stuff,
551
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:25.840
and we can circumvent all.
552
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:26.840
This foyer business.
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00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.519
Well, somebody got a copy of that and sent it
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to I believe it was a Michigan congressman by the
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00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:40.159
name of Howard Wolfe. Well, that story broke. Now at
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00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:45.840
that time, Admiral Richard Truly was the director of Nasson.
557
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:53.000
He saw that, he went livid, okay, and he.
558
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:56.639
Vowed he was going to clean house and get this
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squared away. Well, at that period of time, George hw
560
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:07.079
Bush was the president, Dan Quayle was the vice president.
561
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Something happened between Quail and Truly. George hw fired him,
562
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and then they brought in the next director who was
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from On. Jeez, right now the corporation is escaping me.
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00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:34.119
But the guys that built top secret spy satellites. That
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00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:39.719
was the new director of NASA. So the black curtain
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00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:44.000
came down. Now, many of the missions that NASA did
567
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:48.719
couldn't have been done on their budget. They didn't have
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the budget. So who came in and picked up the
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spat the DoD Department of Defense. And when that happened,
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by necessity, Terry's secrecy became the norm and many of
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these problems that we've been encountering today. Okay, with the
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UAP question, there's still Ladies and gentlemen, don't for a
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second think this disclosure business is going to go very far,
574
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because ultimately it's the people that are behind Donald Trump's
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00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:30.239
swamp that are keeping the lid camped down. Now, the
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00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:38.079
three UFO situations that I find most impressive for me
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00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:43.760
mostly take place in outer space, not down here on
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the planet. The first one being STS forty eight, all right,
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where a space shuttle encountered an object above New Zealand
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00:36:55.039 --> 00:37:02.159
and Australia, where something appeared to be fired at this
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buggy okay, which took violent evasive maneuvers to get out
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of the way of whatever that was. Personally, I think
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it was Ronald Reagan's Star Wars, Yes, the Star Wars
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they created, which basically was a massive gigantic shotgun called
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brigand pebbles which were to impact climbing ICBMs. I think
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that was used because that's what it looked like to me.
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But at any rate, Okay, that's the first case. The
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second case happened in ninety one with well, that's when
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it came to light the Soviet Union's Pobos two pro
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which got to Mars. NASA was a joint partner in
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that mission. Part of it was working on a plan
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to possibly do a joint manned and female mission to
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Mars using cosmonauts and astronauts. The timeframe they were shooting
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for was twenty fifteen. Well, obviously that's ten years ago now.
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00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:24.320
It never happened, but Fobos two encountered something that the
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Russians said rammed their probe, turning it into a spinner,
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and they lost complete contact.
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And control of it.
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The third case took place over not two but three
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weeks in the summer fifty two over Washington, DC, the
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Great Washington d C.
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Nineteen fifty two Saucer Flat, where.
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These things came in swarmed disguise over DC, flew with
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impunity through restricted air, the Pentagon, the White House, the Congress,
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you name it.
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They flew where they wanted to.
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And it caused the Pentagon and who incidentally lied through
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their damn teeth that it was actually a weather inversion
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that caused the Pentagon and John Samford to hold the
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biggest press conference since the end of World War Two.
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So those three cases I feel are extremely important.
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00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:37.480
Chris, you have been oddly quiet and it disturbed me.
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Well, first of all, I had some computer problems. I
614
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:42.840
think they just wanted to knock me off the station
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or something they couldn't get back on.
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But I.
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When I became a move on field investigator, I was
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getting all kinds of cases, and one of the things
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that I found remarkably interesting was these cases that the
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cops were bringing in. I was talking to cops all
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over the New York and they said, I don't want
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to make an official report. I don't want to my
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name put it anywhere. But Chris, here's what I saw. Now,
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I will tell you most police police officers if they
625
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:20.519
see it. And today it's a little different. But when
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I was working, I don't care if an alien fell
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on the hood of your car. You would just roll
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them off and just keep driving. You know, you might
629
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even run over him with a back tire just to
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make sure he can't make a report. So I mean,
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you would never go into your captain and say, hey,
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I saw a flying saucer, I saw an alien, because
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you'd be seeing the departmental shrink within an hour. So
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00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:47.719
that was really a taboo, and Commander will tell you,
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00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:49.960
and Don will definitely tell you. If you went in
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00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.400
the locker room and said, hey, I saw a UFO,
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00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:55.440
you'd have all kinds of aliens on your locker. The
638
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:59.159
next day, you'd have all kinds of green goob coming
639
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:02.199
down your locker where you know pictures. I was here,
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00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:06.039
you know, I had sex with your wife. I'm an alien,
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00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:08.719
And I mean it was just all crazy shit. So
642
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:12.039
it's very personal when a cop calls you and says,
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I don't want to do a report. But one of
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00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:18.239
them was so remarkable. In near punning Bush, there was
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00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:21.480
a place called Tuxedo Park, the village of Tuxedo Park,
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And to this day it still fascinates me because it's
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a village. But what people don't realize it's an enclosed
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village and it has its own police force, and the
649
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:37.639
police force is to protect people from coming into the park.
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You're not allowed into this village. And that was remarkable.
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And I had a call from a detective sergeant there
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00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:48.960
and said, Chris, I'd like to tell you something. And
653
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he says, as I was working on a case, and
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as we're driving through the park, I was near the
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lake Tuxedo Park lake, and I watched a triangle hover
656
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over the lake and it dropped a barrel side object
657
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:04.400
into the lake. Now it wasn't a barrel, but it
658
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:07.599
was a barrel sides object. And I actually this is
659
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:12.480
an artist's rendition of what he actually saw. And as
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you could see, there was something he dropped into the
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00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:20.559
lake at that time. And I says, okay, well, you know,
662
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:22.920
I says, tell me about it. He says, Chris had
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00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:25.599
just hovered over the lake, it dropped something and then
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00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:29.159
took off. But the strange thing is the next three
665
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:33.000
nights people were reporting something that looked like headlights in
666
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:36.320
the lake moving around and they couldn't figure out what
667
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:46.400
it was. Now, the thing about Tuxedo Park was around
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00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:48.880
that place they were getting many UFO sightings. They were
669
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:50.840
starting to get all these sightings and nobody could really
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00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:54.639
understand why. And one of the things that during the
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time is they had a landing right outside the village.
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They had an actual landing that took place. And we're
673
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:02.920
trying to figure out why Guy's name were they having
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landings and stuff and all this activity. Well, unspeknowns the
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00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:10.639
people of the park. Unsbin knows a lot of people there.
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00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:14.599
There was a nuclear reactor that DuPont built and they
677
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:18.000
kept it quiet. They called it a bio lab, but
678
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:22.239
they actually built a nuclear reactor into the park and
679
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:28.280
they sprung a leak. It was leading leading, leaking radioactive
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00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:34.280
material into the reservoir of the water there. And actually
681
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:37.559
here here's a picture of the actual research center that
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00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:41.119
they had there, and in that mountain area. In that
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00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:44.480
mountain area is a nuclear reactor. They built it into
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that there. But none of these citizens knew about that, Chris, No,
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00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:52.519
not very many. I'll tell you. The only reason I
686
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:56.400
found out is because I was looking for some information
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on this Tuxedo Park stuff, because there's a laboratory within
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00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:03.679
the park that a billionaire made by the name of
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00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:07.159
Alfred Loomis, and he had created this secret lab for
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00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:11.320
mind control and mind behavior and direct energy weapons and
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00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:12.880
actually all the combinations.
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When you think about it, it's really good combination.
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Yeah, it is pretty well and stuff. But they had
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all the Nazi scientists from Operation paper Clip first stopped
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there right at the park. So in this mountain they
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were leaking the material into the reservoir. So when I
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went to go look, I actually stopped at the Historical
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Society there, and there was a very nice lady I see.
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00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:37.719
She goes, can I help you? I go, yeah, you know,
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I'm trying to find out I told her, you know,
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00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:44.079
I'm studying UFOs. I'm trying to find out what you
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00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:46.840
got there. And she kind of looked around and she
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00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:50.119
and I go, yeah, because I know she wanted to
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say something to me. She says, well, we're not really
705
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:54.920
supposed to talk about it, but you know right where
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00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:58.559
that supposed landing and stuff was. I go, yeah, well,
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there was a nuclear reactor there and at leaked. And
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she actually pulled out a postcard and made a photocopy
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of the postcard. We're on the back of the DuPont
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photoc card and that it was bought by Union card
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by but it was actually made by DuPont. That it
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00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:16.320
said coma the nuclear reactor right on the back of
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the postcard. I go, whoa. So we actually, Linda Zimmerman
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and I actually found the plans on how to dispose
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of the material. And it was so radioactive that they
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00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:31.840
were afraid that people walking their dog are jogging by
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the dump trucks that they were going to try to
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00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:38.119
load get the stuff out, and then of course they said, yeah,
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we tested your water several kinds, it's safe. Well, when
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00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:45.639
you know that after this, they had all these sightings
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there and they had this thing dropped in the lake
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and it was probing around the lake and.
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Hey, we're from the government, we're here to help.
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Yeah. Yeah, but here's this is a picture of the lake. Now,
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00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:02.159
they never had this happened until after this incident. But
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00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:05.199
the spot here at the Tupper Lake does not freeze
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00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:10.199
over anymore. It's a circle and this and you could
728
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:12.320
see this here. It was sent to me by the
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00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.360
detective Sergeant, says Chris. We have two things that we
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00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:19.039
never happened before. One, we're getting algae blooms in the
731
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middle of the lake that we didn't have before. Oh okay,
732
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:24.360
algae blooms happened in a lot of lakes before and
733
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:27.000
stuff like that. But the funny part about it is
734
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:30.199
there's no nitrates or phosphates at the edge of the
735
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lake the shores, so whatever is causing that algie bloom's
736
00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:35.360
got to be in the middle of the lake. The
737
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second thing is they've never had this happen before. They
738
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:41.960
never had a complete circle that does not freeze over
739
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:45.480
in the winter anymore where the triangle.
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Was, So you have a population of fish there, Chris.
741
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:52.360
You know what, You're not allowed to put a motor boat.
742
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:54.320
You can only have a sailboat there. So I don't
743
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:56.599
know what the fishing is like. But you were not
744
00:46:56.679 --> 00:47:00.039
allowed to dive in the lake. You're not allowed to
745
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:04.039
put a motor boat on the lake there, and you
746
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:06.320
cannot have access to this like if you do not
747
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.920
if you do not live in this village, you have
748
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:13.079
to stop at the gate. The police officer will come
749
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:16.039
out and say what is your business here? They will
750
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:18.760
they will call up the person that you're going to
751
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:22.360
visit or deliver something to, and they will escort you
752
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.719
to there. And then he was asking you out. Now
753
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:27.519
I was wondering why. Well, the reason why they were
754
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:30.960
doing this is because m I t Living, Morton Lab
755
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:33.679
and all these other places that had think tanks there.
756
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:38.840
They actually had where they would bring a bunch of uh,
757
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:42.800
you know, very brilliant students or teachers or whatever and
758
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:45.840
say pretty much lock them in a room and say
759
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:48.719
figure out how we can break space and time, or
760
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:51.320
how do we make a direct energy weapon, how do
761
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:54.920
we do this and the equations would actually be done there.
762
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:58.400
And and what I didn't know is that at this
763
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:03.440
laboratory the equations for the atomic bomb were actually done there.
764
00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:07.639
They brought into reconfirming very quietly Albert Einstein and everybody,
765
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:11.719
and not the bomb was built, but the equations were
766
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:16.519
actually sent to Los Alamos from there. And if you
767
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:19.639
ever want to check out called the Tower building. They
768
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:22.199
wrote a book about Alfred Loomis, who was a brilliant
769
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.719
physicist and a billionaire. He started the lab there. But
770
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.599
there is a military presence there at one time because
771
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:33.960
the detective sergist says, Chris, I found this out in
772
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:36.719
the woods there, and that to me, and maybe a
773
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:40.960
commander can say, is that not an Air Force sticker?
774
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:45.119
This is an old jeep that they put out. I
775
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:47.320
how it got in the middle of the woods, I'll
776
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:53.079
never know. But what do you think that is, commander, Well,
777
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:53.679
it looks.
778
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:55.639
Like an eagle on the left there.
779
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:59.519
And does it look like a missile command.
780
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Air Defense command?
781
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So that would be the interceptor guys that used to
782
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protect the continent.
783
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:14.159
Of the units that looks like Air defense Command.
784
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:17.719
Now, I will tell you during our research, we found
785
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:21.639
out that right near that park were Nike missiles. I
786
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guess they were.
787
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:25.159
That's very popular. They were all over the United States.
788
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:28.480
Right, so some they maybe had maybe they had him
789
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:30.159
in this park, I don't know, and.
790
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Stuff, But that wouldn't have been the Air Force. That
791
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would have been the army.
792
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:37.559
Though, would have been the army or I mean missiles.
793
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And the and the interceptors were obviously the air Force.
794
00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:45.920
Let me let me ask you, Chris, who has control
795
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:47.760
of that area?
796
00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:50.320
Is it federal, state or local?
797
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:57.159
It's a local it's closed off. But from what the detectively,
798
00:49:57.239 --> 00:49:59.440
I don't know how they could do that. Well, they
799
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do it, Hey, they do it. But I will tell
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you this. In the park, the detective sergeant told me
801
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there is a security group that nobody talks to. They
802
00:50:11.239 --> 00:50:13.320
are there to guard the thing takes.
803
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:16.599
Well, then there's more to it than just well.
804
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:20.280
Yeah, yes, yeah, and stuff. But I mean it's is
805
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:25.159
a very complex and very secretive place. They don't talk
806
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:28.760
about the sightings that they have there. This I was
807
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:32.679
very surprised that this detective sergeant actually, you know, got
808
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:36.760
me these photos and stuff of that nature. But he says, Chris,
809
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:40.960
I know for a fact that they've been developing direct
810
00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:44.119
energy weapons in this park and stuff of that nature.
811
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There are underground bunkers there. There are things that people
812
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:50.800
don't even realize. And like it says, one of the
813
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:53.880
things we were getting is UFO sightings and we couldn't
814
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:56.519
figure out why. But then we found out that the
815
00:50:56.599 --> 00:51:00.559
reactor was leaking into into the reservoir and things of
816
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:01.159
that nature.
817
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:08.119
Wow, we have a gallon chat Kathleen who says confirms
818
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you cannot fish in the lake.
819
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:10.880
What's that?
820
00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:14.960
She says, you cannot fish in the lake. It's not
821
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you cannot fish fish.
822
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:19.880
You can't fish there, Okay.
823
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:25.119
But that's very restrictive on a waterway. Just from my
824
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science background, I recall algae blooms require a warmer water
825
00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:34.000
source in order to bloom. And that would you know,
826
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.559
if you had a place that wasn't freezing, would that
827
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:38.199
the water in the middle of the lake.
828
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:42.519
Is Well to Linda Zimmern for her bravery and I
829
00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:45.159
hope she doesn't get arrested when I say that snuck
830
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:49.400
into the park. Oh oh, and yeah, I don't know
831
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:51.280
how she did it. I don't want to know, but
832
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:53.719
she got a water sample and actually send it to
833
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:57.679
the mouf On lab and there was no nitrates or phosphates.
834
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:00.559
That's how we know that. They took us sample of
835
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:04.719
the water from the shorelines, which would be the highest concentration,
836
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:08.079
I believe, and there was nothing there.
837
00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:12.239
It had nothing that's really strange.
838
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:14.639
So that's that's my first story.
839
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It's first story. Good deal. I wanted to ask here
840
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before we have just a few minutes before we have
841
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:26.719
to break coming up here, and before we do, did
842
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:30.039
any of you get a chance to see the videos
843
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:35.000
that were released by the Skywatcher program here this week
844
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:40.719
of the jellyfish UAPs They went out on X and
845
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:45.800
I got to say, they are the clearest UAP images
846
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:48.000
that I've seen in a while. They got some really
847
00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:52.079
good pictures and I have no idea what to think
848
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:55.280
of what I saw in them. To get a chance,
849
00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:58.440
I know they're out on X and you can follow
850
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:01.880
the Skywatcher program. This is the gentleman who was with
851
00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:05.440
Russ coltheart who said that they can summon these things
852
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:11.880
through something called psiotics, and they were apparently bringing in
853
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:16.119
some very strange looking craft that seemed to have the
854
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:20.760
ability to well to morph into other things. It's almost
855
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:25.280
like watching a transformer toy, you know, turn into things,
856
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:28.760
and one of them is this jellyfish looking thing. And
857
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:33.159
I've got no clue how something like that would fly thoughts.
858
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:37.239
Well, as a balloon, it makes sense to me that
859
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:38.159
I could fly that way.
860
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:42.760
Well, but it was behaving, you know, it would change direction,
861
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:47.519
and I don't think balloons change direction unless the wind
862
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:53.199
changes direction or they're powered in some way, and altitudes
863
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:57.039
would change as well. It just didn't look a balloon like.
864
00:53:57.079 --> 00:53:59.079
But you know, one second you're looking at a jellyfish
865
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:02.760
and the next second you're looking at something that is
866
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:08.519
kind of a trapezoid and some some other stuff, you know,
867
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:12.079
like a what do you call it? Just to make
868
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:14.679
these shapes in geometry class are kind of around and
869
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:22.039
multi sided and tesselations. Yeah. Yeah, So it's changing right
870
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:25.639
in front of you. Guess do we have any kind
871
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:29.199
of technology that's a shape shifting technology?
872
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:32.719
Yeah? We do, we do.
873
00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:36.679
I'll see you. What do you know about that?
874
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:41.679
C G I move you.
875
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:43.719
Degenerated imagery is what he's saying.
876
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:48.119
Oh well yeah, yeah, but I mean how many people
877
00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:51.599
have seen orbs morphine the right So you know.
878
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:54.400
I'm not I'm not going to discount with the padres take.
879
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:57.239
But I remember we had when we we had Mark
880
00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:00.800
D'Antonio on and we had the thing float over in
881
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:06.880
Iraq or Afghanistan whatever it was, you know, pep it
882
00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:10.199
was it was. It was a jellyfish thing. And then
883
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:12.679
it was reports that went down to the water stand by.
884
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.960
We're going to see that at a later date, flying by,
885
00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:17.719
and I looked at it, and somebody's well, it's just
886
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:20.440
dirt stuck on the lens of the of the sensor
887
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:22.840
that's looking at it. How can they how come they're
888
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:25.719
not shooting at it? It's right over their heads. And
889
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:30.320
it was a balloon for Eid, which is just finishing
890
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:34.920
up now in the in the Muslim world, it's the
891
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:36.960
end of Ramanan and it's the biggest holiday. And they
892
00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:40.159
make these balloons in they're in like Arabic letters, and
893
00:55:40.159 --> 00:55:42.000
they get they get away and they partially eat the
894
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:44.679
flight and flying around the dark and you get partial
895
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:46.880
light and they don't make any noise, and they whip
896
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:49.199
around because they go over the top of a generator
897
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:51.960
and there's heat exhaust coming from the generator and they
898
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:55.039
do all these crazy things. And you can have two
899
00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:57.199
people walking underneath them that don't look up and never
900
00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:00.239
see it. I'm not saying that's what this with the
901
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:03.880
the jellyfish of what the padre is talking about, but
902
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:09.679
again one I'm always going to go for the most direct,
903
00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:14.519
simple answer. Just run the razor right off the bat
904
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:17.519
and then eliminate those things, and then you end up
905
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:20.280
with what I think is the interesting stuff when you
906
00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:24.400
can't just solve it away.
907
00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:27.360
Well, as we wrap up our first hour here, gentlemen,
908
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:30.920
we want to invite our viewers and listeners to stay tuned.
909
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:33.679
We have one more hour to go this evening. We
910
00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:37.159
got some more blasts from the past. We're going to
911
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:37.800
talk about them.
912
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:40.679
I think I have the oldest one that's going to
913
00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:41.599
be talked about tonight.
914
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:44.519
Oh okay, well good, and I look forward to hearing
915
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:47.000
that I've got coming up on my end. The flat
916
00:56:47.079 --> 00:56:52.320
Woods Monster, the Great UAP Flap in northeastern Colorado and
917
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:57.039
southern Nebraska Panhandle that was in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty.
918
00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:00.400
So those are all straight ahead. Don't go anywhere. We'll
919
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:05.400
be back at about two minutes at UAP Crossfire. Welcome
920
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:09.199
back to UAP Crossfire, everybody. We're here to discuss all
921
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:12.880
things UAP, and we're kind of going into our past tonight.
922
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:16.239
Each of us were relating the cases that influenced us
923
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:20.039
most and our journey of investigation. Next one is another
924
00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:23.159
one from my childhood. I read about this maybe when
925
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:26.599
I was about twelve years old, and I was obsessed
926
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:29.599
with this case for probably a good half a year,
927
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:31.880
and I read up everything that I could on it.
928
00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:36.960
I speak of the Flatwoods Monster incident. And this took
929
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:41.360
place September twelfth, nineteen fifty two, near a small town
930
00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:47.440
of Flatwoods in Braxton County, West Virginia. Here's how it
931
00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:50.519
went down the notes that I have here. A group
932
00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:54.760
of local kids, brothers Edward he was thirteen, and Fred
933
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:58.480
May he was twelve, along with our friend Tommy Higher,
934
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:02.199
age ten. We're playing outside near the Flatwoods Elementary School
935
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:05.920
when they saw a bright pulsating object streak across the
936
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:08.920
sky and it looked to them like it crashed or
937
00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:13.320
landed on a hill nearby owned by a farmer named g.
938
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:18.079
Bailey Fisher. Excited and curious, they ran to the Maze
939
00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:21.679
brother's house and told Edward and Fred's mom, Kathleen May,
940
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:24.440
what they'd seen. She grabbed a flashlight and together with
941
00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:26.559
the boys ps a few others who joined in along
942
00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:30.400
the way, Neil Newtley, aged fourteen, Ronnie Shaver, age ten,
943
00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:34.960
and seventeen year old National Guardsman Eugene gene lemon I
944
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:38.480
all ran up the hill to investigate. When they got there,
945
00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:42.639
that's when things took an interesting turn. They spotted a glowing,
946
00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:46.920
pulsating red light in the distance, and as they approached
947
00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:50.599
there was this thick acrid mist that filled the air,
948
00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:54.559
stinging their eyes and noses. Then gene lemon pointed this
949
00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:58.519
flashlighted something ahead, and they all froze in their feet
950
00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:02.360
right where they stood. It was and twelve to ten
951
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:07.679
to twelve feet tall, a figure described as having a round,
952
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:15.480
blood red face with glowing greenish orange eyes, eyes like shapes,
953
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:20.000
surrounded by a pointed, hooded like structure. They gave it
954
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:23.599
the look of a red ace of spades. The body
955
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:28.000
was dark, perhaps black or dark green, with short, stubby
956
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:31.800
arms that ended in claw like hands. Some accounts say
957
00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:34.840
it wore a metallic skirt like lower half with folds
958
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:39.320
underclaimed it had no visible arms at all. The thing
959
00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:45.239
then hissed, made a shrill noise and started gliding toward them. Well,
960
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:48.320
Lemon freaked out, dropped his flashlight. The whole group bolted
961
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:51.519
down the hill and panic Their dog Ricky tangled on
962
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:57.559
tailed between the legs. Yeah, this thing has been a
963
00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:02.480
very popular UAP monster sighting for many years, made its
964
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:06.320
way into a couple of video games. It's been sort
965
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:11.159
of themed set the pattern for monster movies related to
966
01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:16.840
UAP's mystery. Those still laders that some investigators did look
967
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:19.960
into this thing and thought that maybe what they saw
968
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:25.400
was a barn owl. Well, gentlemen, you all are familiar
969
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:29.559
with the case. Let's begin with you don your thoughts.
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Well, this is West Virginia, right, going back centuries, hundreds
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of years, there were areas in West Virginia that not
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even the Native Americans. We used to call them in
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01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:49.039
dens and then we got politically correct, but there were
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areas where not even the Native Americans would go. Now,
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West Virginia has had those areas that are hotbeds of cryptids. Okay,
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01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:06.039
case in point John Keel and the moth men all
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right in the point Pleasant and I might add many others. Now,
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I'm not saying that that is what this was. What
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I am saying is that you have to take that
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into consideration if you consider the subject of cryptids to
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even be real. So yeah, I've been familiar with that
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for a long time, with that story for a very
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long time. It's fascinating, it's interesting, but ultimately nothing happened.
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The thing, the creature, whatever, the lights disappeared.
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So I don't know, Andrew Cobra your thoughts on the
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flat Woods Monster.
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01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:55.880
Well, obviously, as John talked about, you know when that area,
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01:01:56.519 --> 01:02:00.719
I've lived and worked in that area a bit, a
989
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:05.400
lot of paranormal energy and activity there. There's a famous
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01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:13.320
prison there that still generates incredible amount of participation by researchers.
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What I found striking about this case is that I
992
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:21.639
never could find where this creature or this event something
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01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:26.079
like it showed up again this particular description, and there
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01:02:26.119 --> 01:02:29.599
were parts of it and I'm not connecting anything. I'm
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not saying there was any intentional grafting of stories, but
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01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:41.159
parts in pieces literally of the description. The case of
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01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:44.519
in Biloxi, Mississippi, where the two fishermen were in the
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01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:48.639
boat and they had the UFO combined and it almost
999
01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:52.760
seemed like a robotic but it had crab like hands
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01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:56.360
or arms, or manacles. At the end of it. Even
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01:02:56.360 --> 01:02:59.599
the basic description kind of matched this one. So it's
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01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:02.079
interesting when you if you look at a lot of these,
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you start to see some patterns and you see things
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01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:07.480
coming back. But this particular description never showed up again,
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01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:11.280
and I've never heard it repeated any other time and
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01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:17.440
place in West Virginia. I think cryptids, especially when you
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01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:21.599
when you talk with the people that are into that
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01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:25.280
part of the study of it, leads to that what
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01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:29.639
I think we're all coming up against almost constantly. Last
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01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:37.480
week's guests Stan Gordon and his work, the interdimensional activity,
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01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:41.719
the intersections that are happening, the rapid appearance and disappearance,
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01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:47.079
the s the sighting of cryptis obviously bigfoot, YETI being
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01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:53.559
the most popular that are in there leading physical manifestations
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01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:59.400
and and and they're just not separate events. I know
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01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:02.480
we all agree with that, but I've been at enough
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01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:05.079
conferences where if you bring this up and you're at
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01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:10.239
the UFO UAP table, they kind of politely stopped talking
1018
01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:12.199
to you. It's like it's a repeat of me trying
1019
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:14.440
to find a table to sit they have lunch in
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01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:16.880
high school. You know, no room here, me to go
1021
01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:22.639
someplace else. So I think that you cannot dismiss that
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01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:31.239
this is connected. That we have these kinds of events
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01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:34.239
that are going to intersect. And I know intersect has
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01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:39.199
changed in our modern lingo, but in this case, I'm
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01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:42.960
talking in a more traditional where you're having overlaps between
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01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:47.559
different phenomena, different dimensions that we seem to be operating.
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Well. Before I throw it to Chris for his thoughts
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01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:53.199
on this, I'll just add this that there was a
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01:04:53.239 --> 01:04:56.039
writer that came about who was a native of the area.
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01:04:56.719 --> 01:05:00.400
UFO writer named Gray Barker back in the nineteen fifties,
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01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:05.559
and he had Fate magazine something I've not seen, but
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01:05:05.679 --> 01:05:06.239
I guess it was.
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01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:09.239
Oh my god, Fate was extremely popular.
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01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:12.920
I was too busy reading Mad magazine, so I really
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01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:13.480
have time for it.
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I love Mad Magazine.
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01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:19.639
Great Marker. It is a story in himself.
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01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:25.239
Absolutely, he is, okay, we'll get a story or two
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01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:27.719
for you in a moment. But he wrote a book
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01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:32.519
called They Knew Too Much about Flying Saucers in which
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01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:35.480
he mentions the flat Woods Monster and he ties it
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01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:39.960
in with the Men in Black incident that supposedly took
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01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:44.039
place after this, where there were some suspicious looking characters
1044
01:05:44.199 --> 01:05:51.159
asking questions who were dressed in black? Decades later, skeptic
1045
01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:55.320
Joe Nickel investigated the case and he's still sticking to
1046
01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:58.119
his They saw a meteor crash and then an owl.
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01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:02.079
Now my farm in Nebraska where I used to live,
1048
01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:08.079
we had owls. I have never had one with a red,
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01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:11.320
big face and blowing green.
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01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:12.960
You don't drink this, do your padre?
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01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:15.440
You know? I don't.
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01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:18.679
I bet you see a lot of things after a
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01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:20.199
gallon of that.
1054
01:06:20.719 --> 01:06:22.880
Yeah, but I don't really think that, you know, when
1055
01:06:22.920 --> 01:06:25.880
you look at the incident itself. You had some people
1056
01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:30.480
here in their very early teens, aged ten to fourteen,
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01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:34.639
and we would hope that they wouldn't Well. Sure, West Virginia, Chris,
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01:06:34.639 --> 01:06:38.199
what are your thoughts on flats moster cryptis?
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01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:41.199
Well, first, I agree with Commander. After about four or
1060
01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:44.320
five bourbons, I've seen everything from aliens to cryptids that
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01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:46.840
God knows what I can tell you right now.
1062
01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:49.519
I've written at least four or five books in that state.
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01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:54.639
They're not publishable. They're very hard to decipher, and I
1064
01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:56.599
have to kind of go back into that state to
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01:06:56.639 --> 01:06:59.039
actually read them, you know.
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01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:01.960
And the thing is cryptids are so hard, very harder
1067
01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:05.840
than UFOs to try to determine if they're real or
1068
01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:08.880
how they are and stuff of that nature, because there's
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01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:11.840
very little evidence. That's late. I mean, you can't find
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01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:16.320
you know, I have never heard of anybody finding skeletons
1071
01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:19.440
of a cryptid or you know, something of that nature
1072
01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:23.119
that they can say, hey, wow, this is this is crazy.
1073
01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:26.800
But I did try one time to try to get
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01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:30.920
something with a ENCRYPTID and we actually put a person
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01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:33.760
under hypno regression. I don't have a lot of I'm
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01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:36.239
going to be honest with you, I don't have a
1077
01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:38.840
lot of faith in hypno regression. It's got to be
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01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:41.239
done just a certain way and got to be done
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01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:43.599
the right way or it goes right down the tubes.
1080
01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:49.519
So but we tried it and remarkably, the guy when
1081
01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:54.480
he was young, spotted this crypto type of creature. And
1082
01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:59.199
what we did was we tried to get him to
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01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:02.199
go under him know what she did, and have an
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01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:05.920
artist draw what he saw. And this is exactly what
1085
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:11.360
we came up with. So we don't know really what
1086
01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:14.719
it is. But this type of creature was in the
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01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:18.840
Tully Woods, uh near Kelly, New York. This is where
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01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:22.359
he saw it. And you know, some people have said
1089
01:08:22.399 --> 01:08:25.279
this is exactly what they've seen down in West Virginia
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01:08:25.479 --> 01:08:30.720
or some places in Virginia area, or wooded areas all over.
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01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:36.359
It's a wind creature, some kind of cryptoid that you know,
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01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:40.479
can fly, can partially like the Mothman and partially like
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01:08:41.560 --> 01:08:41.840
you know.
1094
01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:43.840
New Jersey Devil. Kind of looked to it.
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01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:45.720
Yeah, a little bit.
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01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:48.680
I mean, I think the New Jersey Devil when everybody
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01:08:48.680 --> 01:08:50.720
comes down to the Jersey Shore, goes up to the
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01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:53.279
West Virginia just to you know, relax.
1099
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:57.600
Maybe I mean, maybe a wrong exit and ended up
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01:08:57.600 --> 01:08:59.359
in Telling New York. I don't know, but I mean
1101
01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:04.319
that certainly. Now I'd like to you denied taking a
1102
01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:08.199
drug test, so you know, I want to come. Well,
1103
01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:10.600
you know you will do a lot of crazy things
1104
01:09:10.600 --> 01:09:11.520
for you, so.
1105
01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:21.000
Well, I would say this that with cryptids, and people
1106
01:09:21.039 --> 01:09:24.520
always say, how come I don't see a body? And
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01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:28.359
I've said this before. I'm an avid outdoorsman. I've spent
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01:09:28.479 --> 01:09:32.359
a lot of time in the wild in really remote
1109
01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:36.199
areas all the way from the Rio Grande River down
1110
01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:41.600
in the South Texas to Prudo Bay, Arctic Osian Shore
1111
01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:46.079
community up there in northern Alaska. I have never seen
1112
01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:52.119
a bear carcass killed you the diet of natural causes.
1113
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:58.279
I've run across deer, I've run across you know, prey animals,
1114
01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:00.680
which tend to be more numerous, but I've I've been
1115
01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:03.720
in areas thick with mountain lions. I've only seen live once.
1116
01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:08.319
You know, if you have something that is a predator,
1117
01:10:10.199 --> 01:10:12.520
do you, guys, spend any time outdoors? You ever seen them?
1118
01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:15.760
Just naturally dead carcass of a.
1119
01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:22.000
Major predator usually only bones if that, and the bones
1120
01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:27.079
are generally scattered looking. In the wild, everything is either
1121
01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:32.239
a predator or food. And if something dies, and yeah,
1122
01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:36.920
I spent an in or the amount of time out
1123
01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:39.760
in the field, in the woods and what have you.
1124
01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:44.079
When I was a kid, I used to get in
1125
01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:47.560
trouble with my parents because I grab my twenty two
1126
01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:51.640
rifle and a backpack and go up into the alleghenies
1127
01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:54.119
and I'd stay up there for a long time.
1128
01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:56.319
My mother went nuts with me.
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01:10:56.520 --> 01:11:03.119
Okay, but yeah, yeah, gets consume very quickly.
1130
01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:08.720
Well, I mean just a simple thing like the antler
1131
01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:14.000
droppings of moose and deer where I live. If you
1132
01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:18.000
don't get to them. Within a very short period of time,
1133
01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:22.079
mice will start chewing and a lot of other animals
1134
01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:24.760
will start chewing on it. Because of the mineral deposits
1135
01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:27.640
that are in there, they don't break down very easily,
1136
01:11:28.159 --> 01:11:32.159
but other animals will rapidly start working on them because
1137
01:11:32.199 --> 01:11:37.319
it is a critical mineral source for you know, the
1138
01:11:37.319 --> 01:11:42.239
cycle of life that goes on. I have a lot
1139
01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:45.159
of acreage, I'm on it a lot. I've only found
1140
01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:48.479
one shed of a moose and all the time I
1141
01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:50.920
find evidence all the time where they're rubbing up against
1142
01:11:50.920 --> 01:11:53.680
the trees just to not rubbing up against the trees
1143
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:56.239
at the times that they questioned their antlers off. Only
1144
01:11:56.279 --> 01:11:59.199
one that has been found. My neighbor found a moose
1145
01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:02.119
that had gone through the ice where I am and
1146
01:12:02.399 --> 01:12:05.840
got the whole rack on it. But that was obvious,
1147
01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:08.359
like Don said, it was there for a long time.
1148
01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:09.880
Yeah, so.
1149
01:12:12.319 --> 01:12:15.760
It doesn't surprise when we don't find it. But you
1150
01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:20.479
would think that something, especially when you talk about bigfoot
1151
01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:25.840
type activity that does seem to leave physical traces behind it.
1152
01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:31.239
And not to throw this off too much, but I've
1153
01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:34.760
never heard anyone say they have found the scat the
1154
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:39.640
excrement from these animals they find the footprints from Bigfoot.
1155
01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:44.199
Yeah, oh we've heard about scat being found.
1156
01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:49.560
Absolutely yeah, basically humans human shaped, but the size of
1157
01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:55.319
a horse would produce not something you want to step in.
1158
01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:58.399
Try bringing that to the laboratory.
1159
01:12:59.680 --> 01:13:02.439
For the sampling of it. One quick thing, you noticed
1160
01:13:02.439 --> 01:13:05.600
that my eyewear changed. This is just to let the
1161
01:13:05.640 --> 01:13:09.359
audience know that. On the break, I do check the
1162
01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:14.199
email page and I was. I had a listener who
1163
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:17.399
asked not to be named on air. Did I break
1164
01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:20.439
my alien eyewear? Because they hadn't seen it in a
1165
01:13:20.479 --> 01:13:24.159
long time, and I guess they were. They were jonesing
1166
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:28.640
for a little of the ETI's of Commander Cobra before
1167
01:13:28.680 --> 01:13:31.600
I disappear for a bit. So I wanted to make
1168
01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:35.279
sure that I fulfilled every wish that I possibly could. Also,
1169
01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:38.800
if I can't, Bill Frankenberger send us a nice note
1170
01:13:39.279 --> 01:13:42.319
from last week's show with the Paranormal Rangers. He had
1171
01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:46.279
he really enjoyed the show. He's out in California and
1172
01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:48.399
I hope he's doing well. He was up to northern
1173
01:13:48.399 --> 01:13:51.239
California and I know that we had some earthquake activities,
1174
01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:54.439
so I hope so that he's doing well well.
1175
01:13:54.479 --> 01:13:55.880
In the chat too, we have a we have a
1176
01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:59.720
question for mister Dicker along with a flurry of emojis
1177
01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:03.960
from ginghis Khan, a number of poop emojis and then
1178
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:07.800
an alien that looks like you prog.
1179
01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:09.720
And then I see something well poop done.
1180
01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:15.279
So I'm not sure what what's being said there? Yeah,
1181
01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:17.640
well what was that?
1182
01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:21.359
What I can I can say that that my GI
1183
01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:24.600
tract has been working wonderfully recently, so.
1184
01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:29.119
Oh praise Scott. Let me look at this comment here
1185
01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:33.520
from a viewer for you, Detective Decker. Were you a
1186
01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:37.920
police officer when you were investigating the cattle utiligions?
1187
01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:38.520
Yes?
1188
01:14:39.119 --> 01:14:42.960
Yes, yes, that was from Wyatt. Thank you Wyatt for
1189
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:44.640
that and others. If you have questions you want to
1190
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:49.239
pop them up in chat. Appreciate you interacting with the show.
1191
01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:52.520
I'm going to move to another one of my experiences.
1192
01:14:52.600 --> 01:14:54.840
This is the one that I think really just launched
1193
01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:59.199
me back into the whole UAP thing after a big hiatus.
1194
01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:02.760
And we've talked about this before on the show. I've
1195
01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:07.239
got some new information tonight about it. But will New
1196
01:15:07.319 --> 01:15:12.039
Jersey has been in the news lately for their drone
1197
01:15:12.119 --> 01:15:18.600
and UAP activity. There was one that was very long
1198
01:15:18.680 --> 01:15:25.640
duration and impactful flap i'll call it of Mysterious Objects
1199
01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:29.119
in the sky that ran from December twenty nineteen to
1200
01:15:29.279 --> 01:15:32.960
March of twenty twenty. And the area of concentration was
1201
01:15:33.119 --> 01:15:38.239
far northeastern Colorado, in the southern counties of the Nebraska
1202
01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:40.560
pan Him. And this is near or dear to me
1203
01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:43.880
because I was there and I was involved in this thing,
1204
01:15:43.960 --> 01:15:47.319
in investigating trying to figure out what they were. I
1205
01:15:47.399 --> 01:15:52.600
had a farm in Cheyenne County, Nebraska, and that's the
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01:15:52.720 --> 01:15:58.600
big biggest town nearby, Sydney, about six thousand people. I
1207
01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:02.479
lived a few miles outside Girly, population one hundred and
1208
01:16:02.479 --> 01:16:06.039
thirty six at the time. But we were in an
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01:16:06.119 --> 01:16:09.840
area where there were a number of missile silos. This
1210
01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:13.640
was the minute Man three missiles from fi wore an
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01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:17.920
Air Force base in the vicinity of Cheyenne, Wyoming. And
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01:16:18.119 --> 01:16:23.560
if you haven't seen a missile silo, well you probably
1213
01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:28.680
if you've driven across western Nebraska or northeastern Colorado or
1214
01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:31.760
eastern Wyoming, you've driven right by them, but you just
1215
01:16:31.760 --> 01:16:38.079
didn't know what they were. These enclosures are cyclone wire
1216
01:16:38.159 --> 01:16:41.720
fence and they're very tall razor wire on the top
1217
01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:46.359
and they encompass a square that I don't know the
1218
01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:49.880
exact size, but let's call it one hundred yards square
1219
01:16:50.159 --> 01:16:53.199
something like that. In the middle of this just looks
1220
01:16:53.239 --> 01:17:00.359
like this very flat concrete slab. That's the lid, if
1221
01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:04.920
you will. And beneath that is where the missile is scattered.
1222
01:17:04.960 --> 01:17:09.039
Throughout these clusters of these missile silos, you have the
1223
01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:14.720
command center and that is a larger area, again fenced off,
1224
01:17:15.399 --> 01:17:20.000
and that is where the security personnel stay with jurisdiction
1225
01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:23.159
over a certain number of missile silos in their vicinity.
1226
01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:28.119
That is where their vehicles are kept. These are armored
1227
01:17:28.199 --> 01:17:33.119
humvies with fully automatic thirty caliber machine guns mounted up
1228
01:17:33.159 --> 01:17:35.760
in the back in a turret or, in the case
1229
01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:38.640
of the ones that often frequented my area, a fully
1230
01:17:38.680 --> 01:17:41.760
automatic forty millimeters in your navy launcher, a chain fed
1231
01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:44.800
one that can pump a lot of grenades out into
1232
01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:49.079
a small area very quickly. There was one of these
1233
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:52.039
missile silos less than three hundred yards from my front door,
1234
01:17:52.720 --> 01:17:54.840
so it was just there all the time, and we
1235
01:17:54.880 --> 01:17:59.159
would interact with the Air Force personnel as they serviced
1236
01:17:59.279 --> 01:18:03.720
the silo and looked at it. And inside these fenced
1237
01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:11.920
enclosures are sophisticated detection equipment. Someone shot a pheasant near
1238
01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:15.920
my farm that flew into the enclosure, and of course
1239
01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:19.039
cameras come on at the side of motion activation and
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01:18:19.079 --> 01:18:22.520
you see someone with a gun standing outside a missile enclosure.
1241
01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:26.239
You want to talk about response time. The air force
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01:18:26.279 --> 01:18:29.079
gets there very swiftly and they want to know what's
1243
01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:34.560
going on. But that set with this flap. What happened
1244
01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:37.800
is we begin to see objects in the night sky
1245
01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:41.279
that would appear in the vicinity of the command centers
1246
01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:44.600
in the silos, as well as many other areas. They
1247
01:18:44.840 --> 01:18:50.920
would fall appear over farm fields, they would appear over
1248
01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:55.239
the smaller towns like Dalton and Gurley and lodge Pole
1249
01:18:55.359 --> 01:19:00.920
in my area. And these were seen by reputable people,
1250
01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:06.239
including law enforcement. It kicked off in mid December twenty nineteen,
1251
01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:10.439
apparently in Phillips County, Colorado, which is near the Nebraska
1252
01:19:10.520 --> 01:19:15.960
border odd lights hovering overhead. The Denver Post picked up
1253
01:19:15.960 --> 01:19:19.560
the story on December twenty third, quoting Sheriff Thomas Elliot,
1254
01:19:20.159 --> 01:19:23.319
We said that the objects were estimated to have six
1255
01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:26.359
foot point spans and flying in a grid like pattern.
1256
01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:30.800
They would appear around seven pm in Vanish by ten pm,
1257
01:19:31.039 --> 01:19:33.079
and they were cruising at two hundred to three hundred
1258
01:19:33.079 --> 01:19:35.840
feet off the ground. Now I can attest to that
1259
01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:38.760
because in our area they would also appear almost because
1260
01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:41.880
you're watched by seven pm. By that time, the sun
1261
01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:43.680
had been down for a couple of hours. It was
1262
01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:47.479
quite dark, and there they were. Now I never saw
1263
01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:51.119
enough of a structure to calculate the wingspan, but I
1264
01:19:51.199 --> 01:19:54.960
did see these several times. We had a Facebook chat
1265
01:19:55.119 --> 01:19:58.319
going where people would say where they were, and people
1266
01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:00.199
would go out to take pictures, but all you be
1267
01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:03.640
seen in the picture would be a light in the
1268
01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:07.479
sky or a short video of something that was flying around.
1269
01:20:08.600 --> 01:20:12.279
These were blinking red, green, and white lights. I also
1270
01:20:12.359 --> 01:20:15.399
saw blue lights on them. But they were also sometimes
1271
01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:18.439
seen in the vicinity of what people called the mothership.
1272
01:20:18.680 --> 01:20:23.239
This was a larger drone that was in the vicinity
1273
01:20:23.479 --> 01:20:26.920
of these smaller ones. The smaller craft for five to
1274
01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:31.000
six feet in diameter. The larger one was the size
1275
01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:37.279
of an suv. According to law enforcement, by the Christmas time,
1276
01:20:37.960 --> 01:20:42.359
this was just going rampant. Ranchers and farmers were reporting
1277
01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:47.079
drones buzzing their properties, disturbing cattle and horses, and some
1278
01:20:47.159 --> 01:20:49.760
people started talking like they're in New Jersey. We're going
1279
01:20:49.800 --> 01:20:51.920
to take one of these things down. We're gonna start
1280
01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:54.720
shooting on it. And I remember that the county sheriffs
1281
01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:57.920
were warning us, saying, don't do that. You just don't
1282
01:20:57.920 --> 01:20:59.680
go out and shoot something in the sky that you
1283
01:20:59.680 --> 01:21:01.840
don't know what it is. You need a lot of
1284
01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:05.520
trouble in that. But in Chase County, for instance, Nebraska
1285
01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:10.880
deputy report had seen thirty to fifty flying independently in
1286
01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:15.760
one area around a mothership that hovered over that area
1287
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:20.119
for hours. This is really interesting because drones typically don't
1288
01:21:20.119 --> 01:21:23.880
have that kind of duration, but there they were reported
1289
01:21:23.920 --> 01:21:28.000
by law enforcement. A Kansas Highway Patrol trooper near the
1290
01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:32.800
Colorado border described a spotlight equipped drone with ten to
1291
01:21:32.840 --> 01:21:38.479
fifteen others weaving patterns around. They re spotted flying grid
1292
01:21:38.720 --> 01:21:44.159
patterns over pastures and the scale was staggering. Over three weeks,
1293
01:21:44.600 --> 01:21:48.760
sightings popped up nightly across this whole region. The story
1294
01:21:48.920 --> 01:21:52.479
was even picked up by The Daily Mail in England,
1295
01:21:53.000 --> 01:21:56.800
who reported that they had seen reports of the forty
1296
01:21:56.800 --> 01:21:59.920
to fifty SUV sized drones moving at speeds up to
1297
01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:04.439
one and twenty miles per hour, swarming the area, sometimes
1298
01:22:04.520 --> 01:22:09.279
toying with law enforcement or harassing livestock with blinding lights.
1299
01:22:09.680 --> 01:22:12.520
One share of recounted a chase where a massive drone
1300
01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:15.359
bathed his team in lights so bright they couldn't look
1301
01:22:15.439 --> 01:22:18.600
at it, illuminating one hundred and fifty to three hundred
1302
01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:24.600
yards with daylight level light around their unit. By January sixth,
1303
01:22:24.680 --> 01:22:28.159
twenty twenty, the tiny town of Brush, Colorado, hosted a
1304
01:22:28.239 --> 01:22:32.000
meeting of seventy seven sheriffs and state officials and federal
1305
01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:37.319
reps from the FBI, the FAA and others scrambling for answers,
1306
01:22:37.560 --> 01:22:41.600
but the press was locked out of that meeting. The
1307
01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:45.439
FAA launched an investigation, joined by the FBI and the
1308
01:22:45.439 --> 01:22:48.359
Air Force and local law enforcement forming a task force,
1309
01:22:49.159 --> 01:22:53.840
and they ruled out covert military ops with a high
1310
01:22:53.920 --> 01:22:58.840
level of confidence per FAA documents. Now, where have we
1311
01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:04.680
heard of the FAA a denying the existence of these? Yeah, exactly,
1312
01:23:04.720 --> 01:23:09.760
these pione type objects. Well, the theories floated around, and
1313
01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:14.279
posts on what was then Twitter called them creepy and unexplained.
1314
01:23:15.079 --> 01:23:20.920
But then by January thirteenth, the activity had significantly diminished,
1315
01:23:20.920 --> 01:23:24.680
though it was here and there going on into March
1316
01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:29.239
of that year. By March twenty twenty, Douglas D. Johnson,
1317
01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:33.680
a researcher with a scientific coalition for UAP studies, dug
1318
01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:38.359
into FAA files via FOYA a Freedom of Information Act
1319
01:23:38.399 --> 01:23:45.960
requests and found consistent eyewitness details mothership grid patterns, but
1320
01:23:46.159 --> 01:23:50.600
was not able to find any more information. Colorado Senator
1321
01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:54.760
Cory Gardner Dubrasca Senator Deb Fisher pressed for answers, studying
1322
01:23:54.800 --> 01:23:58.039
that some cattle had been injured and that there were
1323
01:23:58.119 --> 01:24:01.840
aviation risks posed by these things flying around, but they
1324
01:24:01.880 --> 01:24:06.359
were unsuccessful in getting any additional information. You m Colorado's
1325
01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:10.399
mayor floated the idea of droll restriction laws and the
1326
01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:14.960
Faas Steve Dixon mused in a December thirty first email,
1327
01:24:15.359 --> 01:24:18.079
not too long ago we would have called these UFOs
1328
01:24:18.520 --> 01:24:20.920
hinting at how they were behaving and being a senior
1329
01:24:21.319 --> 01:24:28.239
by the public. So there was also then later we
1330
01:24:28.319 --> 01:24:34.399
found out fifty seven incidents over five years related to
1331
01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:39.960
sightings near nuclear facilities. Again, we find this happening with
1332
01:24:40.159 --> 01:24:47.359
UAPs interested in nuclear facilities, and no resolution on any
1333
01:24:47.439 --> 01:24:50.600
end of this one night I looked out and I
1334
01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:52.279
saw one of these things that was going to come
1335
01:24:52.399 --> 01:24:56.000
right over my farm. I got Missus Carlson. We got
1336
01:24:56.000 --> 01:24:59.319
in my pickup truck. He said, we're going to chase
1337
01:24:59.319 --> 01:24:59.600
this thing.
1338
01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:03.640
We're going to following and the road like a date
1339
01:25:03.720 --> 01:25:04.479
night with Padre.
1340
01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:09.880
Yeah. Yeah, Well she was up for it. So we
1341
01:25:09.960 --> 01:25:12.960
got We got in in the roads in this part of.
1342
01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:16.600
No moonshine, Padre, No, No, The.
1343
01:25:16.520 --> 01:25:19.239
Only moonshine is the one that comes down from the
1344
01:25:19.319 --> 01:25:24.199
celestial body onto the earth poet, poetic.
1345
01:25:23.840 --> 01:25:27.520
Commander, the other land of a thousand vales.
1346
01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:33.039
Well, we took off past the Mississato and down the
1347
01:25:33.159 --> 01:25:37.479
road into the the area where it was heading. It
1348
01:25:37.520 --> 01:25:41.199
was a really remote part where Cheyenne County goes into
1349
01:25:41.239 --> 01:25:45.359
Kimball County. The roads there are are bad. I mean
1350
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:49.880
they're not even graveled. They are literal dirt rutted roads.
1351
01:25:50.239 --> 01:25:52.680
And we reached speeds up to sixty miles an hour
1352
01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:56.680
chasing this thing, and it was always the same distance
1353
01:25:56.720 --> 01:25:59.239
in front of us. It was that toying with us.
1354
01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:03.159
When we slowed down, it would slow down, and then
1355
01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:07.319
when it would try to speed up and catch it,
1356
01:26:07.319 --> 01:26:10.279
it sped up just enough to stay just in front
1357
01:26:10.279 --> 01:26:13.479
of us, and eventually, after about a half hour race
1358
01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:16.359
him down these these roads, we gave up on it.
1359
01:26:16.439 --> 01:26:20.159
It's kind of disappeared into the southern horizon. But that
1360
01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:24.920
that was a very strange experience for me, and I
1361
01:26:25.079 --> 01:26:29.399
do not think there's anything extraterrestrial about it. There's obviously
1362
01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:35.880
some kind of intelligent control. Whoever was controlling that knew
1363
01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:38.840
what was in the vicinity of the droll because they
1364
01:26:38.960 --> 01:26:44.560
responded to our pursuit in that way. So let's go
1365
01:26:44.640 --> 01:26:50.159
around the Horn. Because he's our aviation expert, I'll start
1366
01:26:50.199 --> 01:26:53.600
with Commander Kobra, what are your thoughts on this?
1367
01:26:54.439 --> 01:26:57.920
So many I was drotten down a few notes while
1368
01:26:57.960 --> 01:27:01.840
you were talking. You touched upon one of the three
1369
01:27:01.880 --> 01:27:06.039
cases or three situations that I was going to cite
1370
01:27:06.079 --> 01:27:06.399
as well.
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01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:08.279
Can I have a couple of those around this one
1372
01:27:09.119 --> 01:27:10.199
that will hopefully.
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01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:11.159
Get to So.
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01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:15.680
I agree with you that this is probably some other
1375
01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:21.920
kind of technology of our terrestrial sense. I think this
1376
01:27:22.119 --> 01:27:25.359
was probably when you see things that are doing operations
1377
01:27:25.359 --> 01:27:30.560
in grid squares, that's usually some kind of organized reconnaissance,
1378
01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:34.279
some organized information gathering, and it could be for anything.
1379
01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:37.760
It can be for gas leaks, it can be for crops.
1380
01:27:37.800 --> 01:27:40.560
It could be crop dusting. I mean they're using drone
1381
01:27:40.600 --> 01:27:45.239
technology now to put crop dusting. And the reason I
1382
01:27:45.319 --> 01:27:48.159
like doing that is because it can be very very precise.
1383
01:27:48.279 --> 01:27:52.479
You don't have to carry huge amounts of the of
1384
01:27:52.520 --> 01:27:56.079
the fertilizer or the pesticide, and you can do a
1385
01:27:56.279 --> 01:28:03.039
very very specific app location. It just requires a lot
1386
01:28:03.079 --> 01:28:07.000
of turnover. What you were describing at the end when
1387
01:28:07.039 --> 01:28:10.159
you're out on date night with missus Carlson chasing. This
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01:28:11.800 --> 01:28:16.199
is a technology that is very important into the future
1389
01:28:16.439 --> 01:28:21.720
what the drones and drone delivery, unmanned vehicle delivery is
1390
01:28:21.760 --> 01:28:26.640
going to be. And that's the collision avoidance aspect. I'm
1391
01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:29.000
sure almost all of you drive a vehicle now that
1392
01:28:29.079 --> 01:28:30.880
if you put it on the cruise control and a
1393
01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:33.359
vehicle comes in front of you, your car will slow
1394
01:28:33.399 --> 01:28:35.640
down and you can set the distance on how close
1395
01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:37.960
you can follow the car in front of you, and
1396
01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:40.159
then when that car moves out of the way, then
1397
01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:47.359
you can increase that. So that kind of description really fits,
1398
01:28:47.520 --> 01:28:50.039
and it fits in a situation where you may be
1399
01:28:50.119 --> 01:28:56.680
testing or operationally testing. Now you talk about then the
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01:28:56.720 --> 01:29:01.039
missile silos and the nuke strike capability. Obviously that is
1401
01:29:01.119 --> 01:29:07.159
a critical part of national defense. It wouldn't surprise me
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01:29:07.560 --> 01:29:12.319
if there were ways that they were looking for reducing
1403
01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:15.439
or improving maybe that's a better word to use, the
1404
01:29:15.560 --> 01:29:19.720
kind of surveillance and maybe even active response to anything
1405
01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:21.039
around the silos.
1406
01:29:22.279 --> 01:29:23.279
We have a large.
1407
01:29:23.079 --> 01:29:28.520
Helicopter contingent that services, moves people, moves support supplies in
1408
01:29:28.720 --> 01:29:34.199
security forces around those facilities very sensitive, but they're also
1409
01:29:34.239 --> 01:29:37.800
as you described Padre, as sensitive they are, and it
1410
01:29:38.159 --> 01:29:42.279
there is a almost an openness about how they're laid
1411
01:29:42.319 --> 01:29:45.720
out there in that and then partially that's to make
1412
01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:49.159
it more difficult, I think in theory now more than
1413
01:29:49.199 --> 01:29:52.880
it was. It may have been more in practice earlier
1414
01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:54.640
to detecting.
1415
01:29:54.159 --> 01:29:54.760
Where they're at.
1416
01:29:54.840 --> 01:29:57.680
You know, you don't have a large structure around them.
1417
01:29:58.920 --> 01:30:01.319
So all the things you just debscribe make me think
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01:30:01.359 --> 01:30:05.159
that this was maybe something that was fairly well organized,
1419
01:30:05.319 --> 01:30:07.760
something that was set up to go forward with it.
1420
01:30:08.479 --> 01:30:13.039
And the parallels which is in my notes to talk
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01:30:13.680 --> 01:30:14.479
is New Jersey.
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01:30:15.319 --> 01:30:17.159
Now I can understand why you're not going to get
1423
01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:21.840
answers when you're possibly talking about how we're protecting around
1424
01:30:23.359 --> 01:30:29.960
a nuclear facility, a missile facility. I don't quite understand,
1425
01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:33.319
except for the occasion that we were in a presidential election,
1426
01:30:33.439 --> 01:30:36.359
what was going on in the New Jersey corridor, although
1427
01:30:36.399 --> 01:30:39.000
I do have an article that I sent to all
1428
01:30:39.039 --> 01:30:42.359
of you earlier this week on that what.
1429
01:30:42.560 --> 01:30:44.960
Was happening there and the test that was going on.
1430
01:30:46.359 --> 01:30:54.520
So in summation, we have seen a lot of things
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01:30:54.640 --> 01:30:59.399
happen around missile sites. Our friends that are on the
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01:30:59.439 --> 01:31:02.439
point the end of tariffs right now have bought a
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01:31:02.479 --> 01:31:06.920
lot of farmland and bought a lot of spaces around there.
1434
01:31:07.960 --> 01:31:10.920
Is this one of the ways that they're looking to
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01:31:11.039 --> 01:31:16.000
counter and respond, or possibly is this something that was
1436
01:31:16.079 --> 01:31:19.039
being done by a foreign power. I'm pretty sure the
1437
01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:22.119
foreign power would have been taken down pretty quickly. I
1438
01:31:22.119 --> 01:31:25.039
don't think there would have been much hesitation going on there.
1439
01:31:25.600 --> 01:31:28.319
But remember a couple of the things have happened since
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01:31:28.760 --> 01:31:31.720
this event, and this is a pivotal event. What happened
1441
01:31:31.760 --> 01:31:35.800
in the West of the United States around this time period.
1442
01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:42.760
The Ukraine War exploded with the use of UAP's drones
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in a responsive combat situation, and in many ways, you know,
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with very simply jury rate with an offensive weapon or
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an explosive of some kind, flying it right into vehicles,
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disabling performing the reconstants that's going on. I just read
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an article this morning that the United States Marine Corps
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that says every marine will be a drone operator, which
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goes on to the very much that every marine is
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a rifleman. No matter what your specific code is in
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the Marine Corps, everyone knows that the primary Premia Faci
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mission is to be a rifleman in the Marine Corps.
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And now they're adding into that that every marine will
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be a drone operator, talking about a small drone that
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can be unfolded sent out in the battlefield. It's an
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01:32:36.479 --> 01:32:39.960
innovative approach to where we're at. But think about when
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all this was happening, how it was making the news,
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and then what happened afterwards, things that happened in Ukraine,
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01:32:46.920 --> 01:32:50.960
what we saw happen during the flight test in New
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Jersey right around the time of the election.
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Okay, I'm going to add a little bit more information
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here before we check in with our other two jen Life.
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Shortly after this was publicized by the Air Force Operation Sentinel,
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the United States has been trying to upgrade its intercontinental
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holistic missile program and hardware for some time. The program
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called Sentinel is now underway and it is impacting this
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exact same area, the exact same missile silos. The Air
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Force is replacing the Minuteman three missile with the Sentinel missile.
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They are upgrading the censor suites around the various launch
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sites and the individual silos, and I put forth something online.
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I published quite a long post. Well, we were in
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the middle of this a theory I had that they
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were testing, as Commander Cobra astutely observed a new type
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01:33:53.439 --> 01:33:58.800
of the surveillance system, and I had this weird idea
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that maybe what they're doing is taking an object of
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some source, and during the day they're running out and
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they're putting it somewhere, and then at night they're letting
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the drones go and try to find that item. Well,
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my Internet response suddenly blew up. I had the associated
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01:34:18.439 --> 01:34:22.520
press calling me for interviews. I had people who were
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very interested in this wanting to talk to me about
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01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:27.680
this idea because it made sense. What do you think
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01:34:27.680 --> 01:34:28.920
about that idea?
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01:34:29.039 --> 01:34:36.720
Commitment are you dragging into Yes, Oh, absolutely, it makes
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01:34:36.760 --> 01:34:37.439
perfect sense.
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That was what I missed.
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The three critical things that have to happen. One is
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you have to have the autonomy or a good link
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that allows it to be flown from a ground position.
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So however, you doing one of those two things or
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maybe a combination. What I mean by the autonomy is
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you send you program a flight into your aircraft. It
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goes out and it does this work, and then it
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01:35:04.319 --> 01:35:08.319
has some higher order of functionality. It's looking for something
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01:35:08.319 --> 01:35:11.439
that that's not supposed to be there. It's looking for
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01:35:11.479 --> 01:35:14.239
what we sometimes refer to as change technology, where it
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01:35:14.279 --> 01:35:18.560
looks for something that's different in the in the terrain
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from a database that was established so or it looks
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01:35:22.640 --> 01:35:27.760
for changes that are made footprints, road entire tracks, things
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like that, not new.
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We did this manned assets.
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That's how we my personal experience in Iraq, we would
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01:35:36.640 --> 01:35:42.760
fly and check the oil pipelines because there were a
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favorite target from the part of Iraq I was act
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01:35:45.319 --> 01:35:46.840
to where they would shift it over to the central
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01:35:46.880 --> 01:35:49.840
Iraq and if they blew those up, it was you know,
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01:35:50.159 --> 01:35:52.640
the insurgency was causing all kinds of problems because it
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01:35:52.680 --> 01:35:55.319
shut down a lot of money that Iraq was trying
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to generate with their oil sales. You'd fly by and
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01:35:59.760 --> 01:36:02.079
you could tell when the people who had footprints. You
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01:36:02.119 --> 01:36:04.319
could pick up the footprints if you look careful enough.
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Then we had other things that can not super fancy
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technology is just really good optics, or you could tell
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by heat source at night when the activity was going on.
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So if you now have this that's responsible goes out
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and does that, it makes perfect sense. The other thing is,
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many times, if you have a possible threat vector and
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you are in a very high state of experimentation, you
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will field it to see how it.
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Does against real things.
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During Desert Storm, everything that was past bench level kind
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01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:42.439
of testing was sent over to Desert Storm. We had
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01:36:42.520 --> 01:36:45.520
all kinds of things flying over it, permissive airspace. We
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01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:48.840
had air superiority set up pretty quickly, and they were
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doing live operational work with a multitude of devices and
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capabilities because the environment was permissive.
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We have a threat is the best place to test it?
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Okay, Chris, your thoughts.
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One thing, Padre before we go on. Speaking of drones.
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Yesterday I saw, excuse me, I saw a report dealing
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with our situation here on the southern border. Now, the
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current administration has already designated those Mexican drug cartels as
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terrorists Okay.
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Not only are.
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01:37:31.000 --> 01:37:35.880
They bringing fentanyl into the country by the ton, they're
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01:37:35.920 --> 01:37:41.960
trafficking women, children, et cetera. These people have been designated
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01:37:42.840 --> 01:37:47.560
in essence enemy combatants. There is talk now about the
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01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:54.880
possibility of armed drones making strikes down on the southern border. Now,
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my question to the panel is, what do you guys
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think about that?
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01:38:02.079 --> 01:38:04.359
Need I say it? I'm all in favor of it.
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01:38:06.720 --> 01:38:09.800
Dom Nation is breathless for a moment. Which way will
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01:38:09.920 --> 01:38:11.319
Decker come down on this?
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01:38:11.720 --> 01:38:12.760
Oh? Such a mischief?
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01:38:13.760 --> 01:38:15.800
He was saying with.
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King Solomon, Shall I split the baby?
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01:38:23.319 --> 01:38:27.079
Okay? Chris, Sorry, you look like you were getting a
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01:38:27.079 --> 01:38:27.560
little drops.
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01:38:27.760 --> 01:38:30.199
No, no, I I just love to hear. Don I
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01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:33.159
know that secretly he goes, let the elite goes go,
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01:38:33.720 --> 01:38:37.159
Let the elite goes go. But but we won't talk
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01:38:37.199 --> 01:38:41.479
about that anyways. Yeah, you're had Decker. What do you
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01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:45.720
gotta say is, well, anyway.
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01:38:45.399 --> 01:38:47.920
You're very slick about that. Do you think we would
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01:38:47.960 --> 01:38:49.760
be uh, we would be.
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01:38:51.720 --> 01:38:55.399
Currently on the we're flying YouTube missions and open press.
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01:38:55.399 --> 01:38:59.840
We're flying YouTube missions and RIVET joint missions right now
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01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:03.279
and we have been for over the last two three weeks.
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01:39:03.560 --> 01:39:07.039
Those are two very sophisticated reconnaissance assets. Everyone knows the
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01:39:07.079 --> 01:39:11.520
you too, the Dragon Lady, the black airplane that does
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01:39:11.560 --> 01:39:15.159
that work. What's interesting is the way they're flying the
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01:39:15.680 --> 01:39:17.960
Rivet Joint, which is a built on a seven H
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01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:22.600
seven air frame and it's a very sophisticated electronic reconnaissance aircraft.
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01:39:23.119 --> 01:39:27.960
Is it never enters the Mexican airspace. It flies right
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up into the I can't think of the name of.
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01:39:31.399 --> 01:39:32.520
The Gulf of Baja there.
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01:39:32.520 --> 01:39:34.159
I can't think of the right name for that body
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01:39:34.159 --> 01:39:37.279
of water in there, and President Trump hasn't renamed yet.
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01:39:37.359 --> 01:39:41.000
I'm sure that's coming next year. But what I'm getting
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01:39:41.039 --> 01:39:43.880
at is we probably have that well target. We do
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01:39:43.960 --> 01:39:47.960
predator strikes very very easily. We also have other airplanes
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01:39:47.960 --> 01:39:52.960
that do this work very very well. I think, if
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01:39:52.960 --> 01:39:58.199
you want to thwart and really get more kick for
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01:39:58.600 --> 01:40:02.960
your punch, if you can follow my crazy analogy here,
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01:40:04.079 --> 01:40:08.439
using something like a drone, a predator type aircraft, a
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01:40:08.479 --> 01:40:15.760
reaper type airplane presents an unbelievable fear factor for these
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01:40:15.840 --> 01:40:20.199
terrorist organizations because although they are enemy combatants, they're not
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01:40:20.439 --> 01:40:23.000
very dedicated and they have very little discipline. They have
1579
01:40:23.039 --> 01:40:25.800
a very strange you know, they have a not even
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01:40:25.880 --> 01:40:28.640
it's more of a gang type hierarchy, and I think
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01:40:28.640 --> 01:40:29.760
that does not even fair.
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Meaning if you have an aircraft that stays on station.
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01:40:34.960 --> 01:40:38.520
For up to twelve to eighteen hours and can react
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01:40:38.600 --> 01:40:44.479
real time and very precisely take out one vehicle, one building,
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01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:47.880
and still stay there to be relieved by another one,
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01:40:48.520 --> 01:40:53.439
it makes it very threatening to the point of hysteria
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01:40:53.640 --> 01:40:56.079
for those people. I think they're going to very quickly
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01:40:56.119 --> 01:40:58.840
find something else to do.
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01:40:58.680 --> 01:41:01.199
And don't you have like a new jabomb now that
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01:41:01.279 --> 01:41:05.439
has swords to come out just to basically slice and
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01:41:05.479 --> 01:41:07.479
dice a guy from it, Well.
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01:41:08.399 --> 01:41:12.680
It'll penetrate a lot of things of metal on there.
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01:41:13.119 --> 01:41:16.840
The switch blade what you're referring to as the switchblade munition.
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01:41:16.960 --> 01:41:21.520
It's pretty impressive. The very important part is you can
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01:41:21.640 --> 01:41:24.960
hit these things and not disturb the neighbors. I mean,
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01:41:24.960 --> 01:41:28.680
you might wake them and you might break some windows
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01:41:28.720 --> 01:41:31.399
in China, but you're not taking their house down. So
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01:41:32.039 --> 01:41:35.760
this is this is the big thing that is now happening.
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01:41:35.760 --> 01:41:39.880
When you're trying to put this. It's a huge burden
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01:41:40.039 --> 01:41:43.039
that the United States military was forced to take on.
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01:41:43.760 --> 01:41:45.640
And what I mean by that is very.
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01:41:45.479 --> 01:41:49.359
Precise striking not just for the particulars the target, but
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01:41:49.399 --> 01:41:52.920
to have very low collateral damage. We are very sensitive
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01:41:53.520 --> 01:41:56.159
and our public is very is very demanding that collateral
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01:41:56.239 --> 01:41:58.039
damage be held to a minimum. And that's a good thing.
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01:41:59.279 --> 01:42:02.399
But what that created these things like small diameter to bombs.
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01:42:02.600 --> 01:42:04.720
I can't even tell you how many of those you
1608
01:42:04.760 --> 01:42:08.640
can stick into something like a be too that as
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01:42:08.680 --> 01:42:12.079
long as it's up there and dropping these very precisely.
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01:42:12.920 --> 01:42:15.600
You saw that during desert storm they were putting them in.
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You just tay the what window you wanted them to
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01:42:18.159 --> 01:42:20.520
go into, and they were putting them into that window.
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What people don't realize is they have the ability to
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01:42:27.880 --> 01:42:30.439
have the endurance so that you do not. I had
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01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:32.880
a target in Iraq. I've talked about it in the past.
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01:42:33.720 --> 01:42:36.279
We had caught some of the worst bad guys in
1617
01:42:36.319 --> 01:42:40.439
my part of the country and they just conveniently also
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01:42:40.479 --> 01:42:42.720
were running a daycare out of the place that they
1619
01:42:42.760 --> 01:42:46.880
were staying at, and we had we were within seconds
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01:42:46.920 --> 01:42:51.039
of releasing the rounds that was going to level where
1621
01:42:51.039 --> 01:42:54.640
they were at until my back seater spotted and saw
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01:42:54.760 --> 01:42:57.159
kids running around there, and we were to pull that off.
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And I'm one of my most proud moments for my
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01:43:00.560 --> 01:43:04.119
backseater and doing that because we were after these bad guys,
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01:43:04.119 --> 01:43:08.399
but we were not going to throw innocence into that mess.
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01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:11.439
And we were not even near the precision that we
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01:43:11.520 --> 01:43:15.720
have today. Pretty close, but it's far surpassed where we
1628
01:43:15.760 --> 01:43:16.199
are now.
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01:43:16.720 --> 01:43:18.800
Chris, we have not heard enough from you this hour,
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I want.
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01:43:19.199 --> 01:43:21.800
To ask, you've heard plenty from me. Well, I kind
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01:43:21.800 --> 01:43:23.640
of agree with Commnity. You know, they always say the
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01:43:23.680 --> 01:43:27.560
military's equipment is probably one hundred years more advanced than
1634
01:43:27.560 --> 01:43:30.520
what we know. President Trump has already said that he's
1635
01:43:30.560 --> 01:43:33.960
got stuff that we haven't seen that can do a
1636
01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:36.119
hell of a job that has been kept.
1637
01:43:36.319 --> 01:43:38.479
Jumping on that end of that, Chris, go ahead, I
1638
01:43:38.479 --> 01:43:39.359
want to jump in the end.
1639
01:43:39.800 --> 01:43:44.640
But there's two destroyers in the Gulf of America right now.
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01:43:45.720 --> 01:43:50.079
They can use drones anytime. I just think that they're
1641
01:43:50.159 --> 01:43:53.199
just kind of filling out the Mexican government now how
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01:43:53.239 --> 01:43:55.640
far they can go with this. But if I was
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01:43:55.680 --> 01:43:58.239
a head of the cartel, I'd be up with my
1644
01:43:58.319 --> 01:44:02.479
life insurance policy because I got to feel they're not
1645
01:44:02.640 --> 01:44:05.560
long for this world. I think exactly what Commanders says,
1646
01:44:05.560 --> 01:44:09.039
they're going to pinpoint didn't take these cartel heads out. Now,
1647
01:44:09.079 --> 01:44:12.039
once you take these cartels out, the other guys are
1648
01:44:12.039 --> 01:44:14.319
going to go. I don't know if I want that position,
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01:44:15.159 --> 01:44:15.439
you know.
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01:44:15.920 --> 01:44:19.760
Especially benefit. There'd be a lot of infighting about who
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01:44:19.840 --> 01:44:20.359
takes over.
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01:44:21.760 --> 01:44:24.800
Yeah, correct, Yeah, that's true. That's very true.
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01:44:24.880 --> 01:44:27.720
Don So obviously, if you read Tom Clancy back in
1654
01:44:27.760 --> 01:44:31.199
the day, Claire and President danger not a new concept
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01:44:31.239 --> 01:44:34.199
but around a long time. And of course there was
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01:44:34.359 --> 01:44:37.680
very very controversial because you know, they used they used
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01:44:37.800 --> 01:44:40.920
very precise strikes to take out all the king fins
1658
01:44:40.920 --> 01:44:42.760
when they were at you know, meetings and things that
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01:44:42.800 --> 01:44:43.439
were going on.
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01:44:44.600 --> 01:44:47.520
I've got a question for you, so I really quick.
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01:44:47.520 --> 01:44:51.720
One thing you talked about the president saying advanced technology,
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01:44:52.119 --> 01:44:55.039
and a couple of weeks back, we had Steve Douglas
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01:44:55.039 --> 01:44:58.479
on with us and talking and we talked about some
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01:44:58.560 --> 01:45:03.279
pictures and he showed the the flying Wing. There's a
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01:45:03.439 --> 01:45:07.560
very strong argument going around on Twitter or excuse me
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01:45:07.800 --> 01:45:12.840
X and the rest that the things that he had
1667
01:45:12.880 --> 01:45:16.720
taken pictures of, that he had reported on and what
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he had intercepted radio calls on maybe the technology that
1669
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you're seeing with the F forty seven that's coming out
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01:45:24.800 --> 01:45:27.760
in the end, Get and the Padre and I had
1671
01:45:27.960 --> 01:45:32.600
a real rolling discussion about this a week or so
1672
01:45:32.720 --> 01:45:35.560
back on this very particular subject.
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01:45:35.800 --> 01:45:37.399
Do we already have these planes flying?
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I don't think we have a large number flying because
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we haven't produced a sizeable number of these aircraft. But
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I think that there is a lot of validity to
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that remark about that we're a little bit further ahead.
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And now you back that in.
1679
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I started the show out about tariffs, and I think
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it does have relevance to our WAP discussion. We're cranking
1681
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things up in a lot of areas. One of the
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reasons that everyone is playing very careful with the narco
1683
01:46:09.039 --> 01:46:15.680
business is the amount of money globally that that industry,
1684
01:46:15.880 --> 01:46:21.079
as heinous as it is, is performing. Oh yeah, roads
1685
01:46:21.119 --> 01:46:24.199
don't get built in parts of the world because they
1686
01:46:24.199 --> 01:46:27.560
collect the taxes and tolls. They get built because of
1687
01:46:27.600 --> 01:46:31.560
the ill gotten gains of what is going on in
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01:46:31.640 --> 01:46:32.560
the narco terrorism.
1689
01:46:33.520 --> 01:46:35.880
Well the Mexican government from tap to bottom.
1690
01:46:37.960 --> 01:46:41.439
But John, I mean also tell you, John, the United
1691
01:46:41.439 --> 01:46:45.399
States benefit from it. Parts of Florida were developed. You
1692
01:46:45.439 --> 01:46:47.920
didn't build the strip models, you didn't build the real
1693
01:46:48.079 --> 01:46:51.800
estate development that went on on the Gulf of America
1694
01:46:51.920 --> 01:46:55.960
coast all the way through you know, Mississippi, Alabama, going
1695
01:46:56.000 --> 01:47:02.119
into into Texas because of oil profits solely, there's a
1696
01:47:02.159 --> 01:47:06.000
lot generated because of what was going. My god, the
1697
01:47:06.039 --> 01:47:13.239
CIA has been caught being drug dealers to gain budgetary control,
1698
01:47:13.319 --> 01:47:17.000
as well as other activities going on. All those things said,
1699
01:47:18.319 --> 01:47:21.359
I think very precise and takedowns, and I think there's
1700
01:47:21.359 --> 01:47:23.720
a new sheriff in town. I don't think he's playing
1701
01:47:23.760 --> 01:47:25.920
by the rules. I think most of the world is
1702
01:47:26.000 --> 01:47:29.960
kind of waking up to that. Again, what does that
1703
01:47:30.079 --> 01:47:33.199
mean about you? I kind of said it in jest,
1704
01:47:33.479 --> 01:47:37.520
but what does this mean for UAP activity and sightings?
1705
01:47:37.880 --> 01:47:44.119
I think you may actually see more being reported being
1706
01:47:44.199 --> 01:47:51.159
experienced from a terrestrial and maybe other places, because when
1707
01:47:51.239 --> 01:47:55.640
we have this activity level come up, the traditional UFO
1708
01:47:56.199 --> 01:47:59.520
or now UAP vernacular seems to increase.
1709
01:48:01.079 --> 01:48:07.720
I saw a video clip today from Stephen L. Cost
1710
01:48:07.880 --> 01:48:13.119
He's a general in Space Force, and he was speaking
1711
01:48:13.439 --> 01:48:18.359
to a group at Hillsdale College, and if I understood
1712
01:48:18.399 --> 01:48:22.680
him correctly, he says, we have the technology today they
1713
01:48:22.720 --> 01:48:26.680
can take a person from where you are to anywhere
1714
01:48:26.720 --> 01:48:28.960
else on Earth in one hour.
1715
01:48:30.159 --> 01:48:31.920
It's called it's called SpaceX.
1716
01:48:34.319 --> 01:48:36.840
I mean, we'll watch them on a missile to.
1717
01:48:38.319 --> 01:48:42.760
Think about what Musk is doing. Musk has taken nineteen
1718
01:48:42.840 --> 01:48:48.119
fifties nineteen sixties mainly Japanese sci fi movies where the
1719
01:48:48.319 --> 01:48:52.119
rockets take off and they land on their tail okay,
1720
01:48:52.920 --> 01:48:56.199
with the smoke and flames coming out, and they land
1721
01:48:56.239 --> 01:49:00.880
on paths. He's made it kind of like every day
1722
01:49:00.880 --> 01:49:03.640
in the activity when you launch these things, they're landing
1723
01:49:03.640 --> 01:49:08.600
on barges in the water. Okay, now they cut them
1724
01:49:08.600 --> 01:49:12.960
with the giant chopsticks. There are people sitting in spaceflight
1725
01:49:13.039 --> 01:49:16.279
that that is almost up there to when we successfully
1726
01:49:16.279 --> 01:49:19.359
first landed on the moon because of what that technology means.
1727
01:49:20.560 --> 01:49:23.479
And as I know, everyone loves, he's the guy that
1728
01:49:23.560 --> 01:49:25.880
love to hate right now. I never would have bought
1729
01:49:25.880 --> 01:49:27.720
a Tessela, and now I want to buy a Tessela
1730
01:49:27.800 --> 01:49:28.840
only because they just wanted to.
1731
01:49:30.880 --> 01:49:33.319
You know, I never would have.
1732
01:49:33.359 --> 01:49:33.640
I would.
1733
01:49:33.760 --> 01:49:37.079
I can't stand that technology. I got a presidence run
1734
01:49:37.119 --> 01:49:40.840
around saying it's a computer or it's computer, not even it.
1735
01:49:40.960 --> 01:49:44.800
There's no article in that that got Have you ever
1736
01:49:44.840 --> 01:49:48.920
seen a man that can take the language and absolutely
1737
01:49:48.920 --> 01:49:52.680
embody it in a way that he just he owns it.
1738
01:49:53.319 --> 01:49:55.880
He talks and memes and he doesn't even have to
1739
01:49:55.920 --> 01:49:59.640
show a meme. It's amazing, absolutely amazing. Okay, enough of
1740
01:49:59.680 --> 01:50:03.039
my of just loving when he's going on that stuff.
1741
01:50:03.960 --> 01:50:08.199
So the military is very strongly looking at and I
1742
01:50:08.239 --> 01:50:10.720
think this is part of the crunch that you're going
1743
01:50:10.800 --> 01:50:15.359
to see with mainly the PRC. Where they're really feeling
1744
01:50:15.399 --> 01:50:20.920
the pressure here is that you have the ability to
1745
01:50:21.119 --> 01:50:25.920
put pinpoint doesn't mean there's a return flight out of that,
1746
01:50:26.039 --> 01:50:32.520
but pinpoint drop and insert almost anything, troops, weapons, whatever.
1747
01:50:33.239 --> 01:50:34.359
That's where we're approaching.
1748
01:50:36.520 --> 01:50:41.159
I hadn't even thought of that. Launching herverrenes to distance shorts.
1749
01:50:42.239 --> 01:50:46.439
We've been talking about that in the community since the nineties.
1750
01:50:47.399 --> 01:50:51.079
There was talk about being able to launch a glider
1751
01:50:51.199 --> 01:50:54.439
type spacecraft that could get almost anywhere on the globe
1752
01:50:54.920 --> 01:50:58.800
between one to two hours, and it would glide back
1753
01:50:58.840 --> 01:51:01.520
down through the atcoacery. Really tricky part of courses when
1754
01:51:01.560 --> 01:51:04.279
you go suborbital and you have all that friction, come
1755
01:51:04.319 --> 01:51:08.640
back down and then be able to make a survivable
1756
01:51:08.720 --> 01:51:14.119
crash type landing where you would either deploy parachutes or whatever,
1757
01:51:14.199 --> 01:51:15.640
you know, so you're partially flying and.
1758
01:51:15.840 --> 01:51:18.880
You would do that and then you would emerge, and.
1759
01:51:18.840 --> 01:51:23.640
Now fifty miles behind your lines, you have established a
1760
01:51:23.800 --> 01:51:27.399
large number of marines that are moving or have established
1761
01:51:27.439 --> 01:51:29.560
a base, and it can be resupplied the same way.
1762
01:51:30.239 --> 01:51:34.520
Complete game changer, Complete game changer. Remember that's the service
1763
01:51:34.560 --> 01:51:40.399
though that chased the tall aircraft meaning the Harrier, and
1764
01:51:40.479 --> 01:51:44.319
over the horizon capability with helicopters to where we are today.
1765
01:51:45.840 --> 01:51:48.319
I guess ICBM is going to stand for inter kind
1766
01:51:48.359 --> 01:51:52.399
of less interkind of metaballistic marine. We're going to be
1767
01:51:52.399 --> 01:51:56.640
shooting them all over the planet. We only have two
1768
01:51:56.640 --> 01:51:59.920
minutes left. Let's just go around the horn with supposing thoughts.
1769
01:52:00.039 --> 01:52:01.840
Let's start with you, mister Depernel.
1770
01:52:02.600 --> 01:52:07.359
Closing thoughts. I just think that, you know, I think
1771
01:52:07.399 --> 01:52:10.000
the most exciting time for UAP is going to be
1772
01:52:10.039 --> 01:52:12.399
coming up, maybe this year. I don't think we're going
1773
01:52:12.439 --> 01:52:15.880
to get disclosure, But like Commander says, I don't need
1774
01:52:15.920 --> 01:52:17.840
the president to come out. I know what's going on.
1775
01:52:19.079 --> 01:52:24.720
Commander sixteen thirty nine, John Wittherp, Governor, Boston Bay Colony.
1776
01:52:25.359 --> 01:52:25.920
The audience.
1777
01:52:26.039 --> 01:52:32.000
Look it up, the first recorded UAP UFO in the colonies.
1778
01:52:32.960 --> 01:52:34.640
It's great to see you guys are going to be
1779
01:52:34.640 --> 01:52:37.079
gone for a few weeks. I will try to join
1780
01:52:37.159 --> 01:52:41.960
you from my remote location in the Kingdom of Saudi
1781
01:52:41.960 --> 01:52:47.520
Arabia over the next few weeks. And as always, it's
1782
01:52:47.520 --> 01:52:49.239
just always a privilege to run around with you guys
1783
01:52:49.239 --> 01:52:49.680
and have fun.
1784
01:52:51.000 --> 01:52:52.319
Don Decker your thoughts.
1785
01:52:52.720 --> 01:52:56.199
I love it when Commander comes on and gets a
1786
01:52:56.239 --> 01:53:02.680
little looped. I love to hear his solic is. Okay, uh, Commander,
1787
01:53:03.239 --> 01:53:05.159
it's it's a genuine trip.
1788
01:53:06.960 --> 01:53:08.439
So we're gonna find that word.
1789
01:53:08.319 --> 01:53:09.520
He meant to say, soliloquy.
1790
01:53:10.199 --> 01:53:16.039
Yeah, I was like, I have to aretikbra a real
1791
01:53:16.119 --> 01:53:16.800
smart ass.
1792
01:53:17.560 --> 01:53:18.119
You not me.
1793
01:53:19.840 --> 01:53:22.239
Words in the dictionary. Done, mm hmm.
1794
01:53:24.199 --> 01:53:25.720
I'm married to the word lady.
1795
01:53:27.079 --> 01:53:30.800
As the designated driver on this particular ship. This evening,
1796
01:53:30.960 --> 01:53:33.359
I'm going to have to close this out. I want
1797
01:53:33.399 --> 01:53:36.520
to thank you Wall for tuning in and listening. Gentlemen,
1798
01:53:36.600 --> 01:53:39.239
always a pleasure. I hope to see you here next
1799
01:53:39.279 --> 01:53:41.920
Thursday night. Good night from up Crossfire.