00:00:08Late-Night Chaos Returns
00:02:49Sophie Cunningham Controversy
00:07:44Safety in Women’s Sports
00:12:56Voices from the Trans Community
00:22:37Wrapping Up the Debate
ABOUT THIS EPISODE
Kate and Shaba kick things off the way only Two Talking Fools can—with personal stories, plenty of laughs, random life updates, and the kind of conversation that somehow goes completely off the rails before finding its way back.
Then the episode shifts into a much bigger and more complicated conversation surrounding Sophie Cunningham, transgender athletes, and the ongoing debate over participation in women’s sports. The Fools talk through the controversy, the public reaction, comments from athletes, and the questions at the center of the debate: How do we balance inclusion with fairness? Are there legitimate safety concerns for female athletes? And is there still room to have an honest conversation about biological differences without immediately attacking or labeling people on either side?
Kate and Shaba share their own perspectives while also acknowledging that this is a complicated and deeply personal issue for many people. Rather than pretending to have every answer, they discuss what they've heard, where they agree and disagree, and why conversations about women’s sports, transgender athletes, fairness, inclusion, and athlete safety have become so difficult to have.
As always, this isn’t a perfectly polished debate between experts—it’s two friends talking through a controversial subject in real time, asking questions, sharing opinions, and trying to understand different perspectives while keeping the conversation respectful.
And because it wouldn’t be Two Talking Fools without a little chaos, the episode eventually finds its way back to dogs, calendars, everyday life, plenty of laughs, and a preview of what’s coming next.
Two friends. Two mics. Different perspectives. One conversation.
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Welcome back to the late-night madness on WFool Radio.
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You tune into the only show where chaos comes complimentary.
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The only duo bravely.
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Shabba, welcome back. Welcome back to the podcast.
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Welcome. We're just doing an audio today. Welcome back to the Two Talking Fools.
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We are, we're doing it from my house, if you can't hear my dog in the background.
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I'm in his best life right now. He really is.
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We are the Two Talking Fools. We are just two average, and I mean average girls
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taking their phone calls to the podcast. Yeah.
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Welcome back has been quite some time since. Shabba and I have gotten on here
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and did just a regular good old podcast like the good old days.
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A regular degular podcast. The good old days when we were sitting in Cumberland
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Farms parking lot when we first started out.
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Shabba's currently going through old yearbooks of mine and.
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She saw her photo. Dude, I had the biggest ears, guys. I had the biggest ears.
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Holy shiitake mushrooms.
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Whew, those bad boys were huge.
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She complains about her ears. I have a schnoz of a nose. It's all relative.
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I mean, I think it's okay to admit our misfortunes.
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But I just have to ask you a question. That's what I'm looking for.
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I look at your ears now, and they're not in disproportion with your body.
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Thank you, Bessie. I appreciate that. And ears don't get smaller.
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Do you know that? like ears only get bigger.
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They say that your ears and your nose are the things that continue to grow.
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Okay, so I don't know how to take that, so do my ears get bigger or did I just
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finally grow into them maybe?
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No, what I'm saying is I don't think you ever had big ears to begin with.
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I think just— No, don't lie. I'm looking at your ears right now like,
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okay, hold on. I saw the evidence.
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Okay, look at, like, do that. Now see, you're already pushing up on your lobe.
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You're pushing up on your bottom lobe. Be more accurate. Okay,
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that's good. Just touch it, okay? Okay.
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Mine bigger like again i have a bigger ear see isn't that funny so it's just like okay.
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Welcome back to two talking fools podcast there's a lot going on there's a couple
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things that we were talking about and i was hesitant to talk about them but
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i'm like you know what they're going on in the world we should talk about them,
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real life events real life events,
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the first thing want to talk about is,
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sophie cunningham yeah go queen pop off queen go sophie.
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Where do you even start with the whole thing where do you start with the whole
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thing you know i'm feeling really bad because i have the utmost respect for
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her as somebody who simply was just saying.
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We need to keep female sports female, meaning those who were biologically born female.
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I don't think you have to pick a political side necessarily to want to just protect girls' sports.
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Now, if we think back, women had to fight for a lot of things.
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Women had to fight for equal opportunity.
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Women had to fight for rights to vote. Women had to fight for the ability to
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be able to work and not just be housewives.
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And if you're a housewife, more power to you. I'm just generally just listing
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off things that will not always equal for us. And then if we accidentally got
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knocked up, like, now we're like, you know.
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Right. Okay, exactly. So, like, there we have. Exactly. We've worked.
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We've come a long, we've come a long way.
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And now it's like everything nowadays is like, it has to be one side or another.
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So she responded that it's not politics for her. She just personally feels that
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female sports should remain female sports.
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Simple. simple and then unfortunately of course like everything else,
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I had to turn political because everything it everything does everything has
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to be political everything has to be a political it has to be a political thing
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and the wildest thing to me is like,
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I feel like a lot of people that.
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Make these things political justify it by saying well I have to know because
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if you vote for this person or if you feel this way about this person like you're
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either stupid or you're a fascist or like whatever.
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And I'm talking about both sides. Like I'm saying literally both sides. Both sides.
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And so you have this woman here that is, has been like,
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Like, one of the best athletes out there, okay? A lot of little girls that look up to her.
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This chick was playing sports from, like, way back in the day.
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I think she was even playing, like, football for, like, a quick moment.
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And then that came out, well, oh, well, she was playing football,
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so then it couldn't have mattered then. And, like, you know,
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all these little things. Like, you try to dig for stuff from people's past.
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And it's like, I don't understand. Like, all she said is to keep girls' sports for girls. Right.
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And then she even said she doesn't have any issues with the trans community.
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I didn't take it that she did.
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I mean, when she made that statement, I was like, thank you.
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I didn't take that as if she had any hatred towards any different group of individuals.
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She just said, let's keep girls sports for biological girls.
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I don't think that there's anything wrong with that.
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But unfortunately, like I said, everything's political.
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So if you feel that particular way, you must be one side over the other.
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You know what I mean? It's crazy.
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It's so crazy. Now you have people coming for her. They're coming straight for the jungler.
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It's getting nasty, dude. It's getting really nasty out there. And it's wild.
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I can admit it. I'm not huge. I feel like I haven't been a huge somebody who
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chooses to watch WNBA simply because over the last few years,
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it has become increasingly very political.
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You can't watch a sports game without somebody trying to make some sort of standard.
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You know what I mean? So it's not even enjoyable anymore. Well,
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that's why I also appreciate what Caitlin Clark said, which was she just believes
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that, like, we're here to play basketball.
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Let's keep it about basketball. Let's keep it about basketball.
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I think that's an okay thing to do is to keep more of this stuff out.
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But then people could say, oh, she didn't take a stand. Like,
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I think a couple people have even said that.
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Like, well, of course she said that. That's an easy way out.
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It's like, no, it's not. It's actually not an easy way out saying that.
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It's not an easy way. Like, she wants to just play the game.
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She doesn't want to get involved in all of the drama and all of the nonsense.
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Sense just play the freaking game right enjoy the game for what it is right
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you know what i mean i just it's crazy like i think everything has to be political
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no matter what you do or say everything's political these days and then okay so i'll play,
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i will play it from an athlete's position.
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If you look at the last flagrant two-fowl that Sophie Cunningham had on her
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in this last incident, if that were a guy— Dude, that was downright assault.
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I'm sorry. That was downright assault.
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Imagine if that were a guy. Imagine if that were LeBron James that put that same force into that.
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Like, so when you talk about the trans community, the only thing I will say
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is that there's a reason why I don't play softball with men is because I'm legitimately
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scared of getting hit in the face.
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I'm not trying to play any sports with men. Get the fuck out of there.
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And there's women that do.
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Yeah, I want to play with two sports. But there's a lot of us that are like,
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listen, we can barely keep up with the women in our… In your league.
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Like, softball is a perfect example.
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I'm playing with women from 20 years, 18 years of age to almost 68, 70 years old.
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And there are some scary-ass players.
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Scary-ass players. So never mind. These are women. Never mind men.
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You hit that ball hard enough. My God, you take somebody right out with the right hit.
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That's the scary part of it. Whether it's basketball, softball,
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field hockey, it don't matter. Well, it was funny because I was actually thinking
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about field hockey this past year.
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Imagine. My youngest, she's a little brute. As we know, she is a brute.
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She don't give a shit. She is a brute. That kid is a brute.
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And she came home with waltz. When I say waltz, like massive.
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I'm not talking about like a fist size bruise. I'm talking about massive bruises.
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Like right where her ribs are. She had another one like right where his thigh
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was. I think it was a cheap shot with a stick.
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Like bruises. That kid has come home with so many bruises because she plays deep guts.
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And I'm like, could you imagine a high school male,
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playing on a team with her no and they're playing and she's playing defense absolutely not like,
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it's just i don't understand like it's not it's not a political thing guys it's
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more of a safety issue i don't i don't understand how anybody can make that political i don't,
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i really don't when they were younger it's fine middle school and under it's
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fine they're still all developing they're still growing like you know what i
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mean but i'm like once you get to high school and above.
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Why do you think in grammar school they come up with, you know,
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11 through 13, 13 to 15, 15? Why do you think they come up with these?
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Because you want to play amongst your peers to make it as fair as possible.
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Right. As fair as possible. Right.
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Taking the stronger gender and mixing that in, I'm so sorry,
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doesn't even make it fair. And there's no arguing.
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You know what I mean? There's no arguing. Why is it? Okay. Like, let's be real here.
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Why is it like, I know something needs to be done at work, something needs to be moved.
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Excuse me. Sometimes I will do it, right?
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If it is something extremely heavy, and I know I do not have the physical capability
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of doing so, and I'm not a small girl, like, let's be real. Like,
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I'm a curvy female. I got meat to me.
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But if I can't do it, I'm not doing it. You know what I'm doing?
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I'm calling one of the men that I work with and being like, hey,
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can you guys help with it?
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And they take care of it. And there's a reason for that. Guys are built differently.
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100 muscle structures are different like everything's different about a man like,
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let's be real it's not it's just it's so annoying to me how political like i
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keep i can't emphasize that enough like how political things get,
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men are built differently than women they are they are they're built differently they are,
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and that's just and it's that's all i'm saying from my standpoint is to have
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a male okay it's like having he's kind of a big he's kind of a bigger male to
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be doing a comparison here but,
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there's talks of a couple players i think from overseas that are like oh we'll
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play in the wnba that are trans players or something like that or we'll become
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trans or i i don't i'm not sure if the whole.
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Please do not quote me on this because i'm not quoting myself but imagine having
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a shaquille o'neal play against like pagebackers like get out of here could
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you imagine that what or a david robinson or carl malone
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or like a dominique wilkins like you have any of these guys playing the wmba
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they're smashing these girls could you could you literally no no no.
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That'd be so wild and then what do you say oh,
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okay well then you know oh we'll adjust this like what are you gonna adjust
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to make it fair like there's nothing fair about that and if you're not an athlete,
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with all due respect, I really don't think that you have any.
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I think a big part of this comes into play. Like, if you're an athlete,
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you understand it's not fair. It's not the same. Men play at a different level.
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Women play at a different level. In order to be competitive with one another,
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they have to be separated.
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That's all there is to it. But if you're not an athlete, if you don't like athletics
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or understand athletics, how do you even have a say in this if you're just coming
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at it from a political standpoint?
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There is a 100% athletics portion to this.
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So I, I've been seeing on like TikTok and Instagram reels and stuff like that,
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which I'm pleasantly surprised about where you have trans, trans women,
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who are coming out and saying that they also agree that trans women should not
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be in sports with biological women.
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And I'm like, oh my God, like, you know, to hear this, I'm like,
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are people like watching this?
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Like for a trans woman to come out and say that, there's this person out of Massachusetts.
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I want to say that their female name is Davina, but like...
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Their first name was David. I'm trying to be mindful of, like, how I say things.
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And so Davina shares her journey on social media, and she has a young child.
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Like I said, she's out of Massachusetts. Very interesting to watch.
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And she shares her story about how she explains to her daughter,
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like, how he trapped this.
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And when she brings the daughter to school, I think she might have shared custody with her ex.
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And so she'll ask the daughter, do you want me to wear makeup and wig to drop
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you off? Or do you want me to be how I am without it?
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And so based off of what the daughter says, Davina will dress that way.
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Well, Davina has spoken out about some of this stuff where she also,
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doesn't like she doesn't understand how the argument is like,
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trans females should be treated the same way as biological women,
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because they're not the same and it was just crazy hearing that from somebody
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who's trans because I always want to hear insight from everybody like
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you know how how does somebody how does one person feel about this and granted
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she's one person but there's a lot of trans women that are coming out and saying
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they don't agree Okay. Let me ask you this.
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And if there's anybody that knows, I want to know. Yeah. Please clarify and educate me. Oh, yeah.
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How many trans men do you see playing...
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Sports. Biological male. Yes.
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How many? You don't. Why? I don't know. That's a valid question.
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Probably because regardless of how much testosterone or other things it takes
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to make them biologically transformed to a man, I still don't think it's enough,
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to change their overall build.
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Muscle structure, in order to compete at a fair level with other men.
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I agree with that. I do agree with that. That's an excellent point,
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my friend. I've actually wondered the same thing myself.
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And so then based on that, I would say it all goes back to, you know,
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is it fair for a biological male to play with women? And if we're just talking
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about that, I don't believe it's fair.
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It's not. But I also wondered where any of this came from.
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Like, I feel like back when we were in school, like this wasn't even a topic
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of discussion like you know what I mean you respected people's differences you
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did you respected people's differences and you just let like things were just
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the way they were it wasn't this like,
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in my opinion what feels like this almost backwards way of thinking where like
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you give women the opportunity to have their own league for all of these different
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sports programs but then at the same time you're telling them that they're like,
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discriminatory if they choose not to play with a trans female
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like all right how do you take that away like you give those rights or
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i should say give those rights like women earned those rights they earn those
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spaces they've earned those safe spaces but then at the same time you try to
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take that away from them and if they're uncomfortable then they're discriminatory towards a group,
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i'm like that's wild what yeah.
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I don't think it's exclusivity the same way that the Fever coach said it was.
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You know, her response to it was that she doesn't believe that exclusivity is good anytime.
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And I understand what she's saying. In an ideal world, I suppose you would have
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enough trans athletes that wanted to compete at that level that you could create
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its own league. Correct. Right?
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I just don't think it's there yet. but I don't think it's exclusivity.
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I think it's still trying to understand these waters.
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Right. I don't think it's fair to say that. Right. I don't know.
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I think that's a very interesting topic. And I think we live in a very sensitive
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time all around where people can't have open discussions without feelings getting hurt.
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And therefore, if you don't agree with somebody, You know, on one hand,
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you're either like transphobic or a bigot or a fascist or whatever.
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And then on the other hand, you know, you're an idiot, you're a snowflake, you're like, whatever.
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It's like there's no happy balance. But to me, that's not a political thing.
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It has everything to do with equal rights. But when we talk about equal rights,
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I'm specifically talking about equal rights for women.
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Right. So we go back to make everybody comfortable, but then you're taking away
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those same rates that when fought for. To me, that just doesn't make any sense.
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Right. In some regards, people may even call it contradictory. Right.
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And I have nothing but the utmost love for the trans, you know,
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the trans community. I don't discriminate towards anybody. I think we should
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let people, you know, just be how they want.
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It's the greatest time to be alive, especially if you want to be what you want.
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I mean, I'm a little mad that some of these trans women look better than I do.
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Like, I'm a little mad about that. That'd be so for real, some of them.
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I'm like, oh my God, it's not even right that you are legitimately hot AF.
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And I'm just sitting over here in this average land. And I'm like,
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there's this other, um, there are some wicked.
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There's this baddie. She's a little, she's a little on the wild side,
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but her name's Morgan something.
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And she's on Tik TOK, like fire, red hair, fire, fire, red hair.
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And she like scares off these guys because when they see her they're like oh
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my goodness you're so beautiful and then she talks about being trans and stuff like that but she even
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is another one who has said that trans women are not women like they're not it's not the same
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and I was like shocked I'm like oh my goodness there's you know it's another
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trans person that's coming out openly saying this and she is open about being
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trans she doesn't hide it
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and like some of her videos are crazy because she'll go on these like calls,
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like, what is it, Omegle or whatever?
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Like, you can, you randomly can call and talk to people from,
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like, all over the world and you don't know who you're going to end up talking to. What?
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Yeah, something like that. I don't know if it's Omegle or what.
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Wait, what, girl? Yeah, you literally, there's that.
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You can go on and you... What is this for, dating or just for fun? Random conversations.
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I think this is fascinating. You have no idea who you're going to talk to.
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You have absolutely no idea who you're going to talk to.
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And so she does this, and these people, when they see her.
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They're like, oh, my goodness. And they, like, fall in love because she's absolutely
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stunning. She really is absolutely beautiful. She's, like, beautiful.
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But these guys are only thinking one thing because if you look at her,
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they're like, mm, you know what I'm saying? Going to get some. Right.
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So when they're creepy like that, what she'll do is she does this scary thing
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where she's, like, you know, she'll, like, be, like, flirting with them.
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And then all of a sudden she, like, does this, like, scary voice and face or whatever.
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And then usually they'll click off. You have some that are a little on the freaky side.
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So then they start laughing and like they'll play along whatever and she's like
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you're like you're crazy too and then she'll get to know them there was this
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one guy who was like acting as if he was jesus or whatever,
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and oh he's so sweet there's this guy that was acting like he was jesus and
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the guy was so polite and she did the same thing to him and he just like was
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so calm the whole time he was dressed up as if he was jesus it was like the craziest thing
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but yeah she will post these videos and that's why i'm always intrigued because
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i'm like oh my god what is the coming of this one Like, what happened with this
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one? Like, what does this guy do?
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But she even said, she's like, I acknowledge trans women are not biological women.
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We are different. And that's what she says. And I'm like, wow,
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there's a lot more people in the trans community that are also in agreement
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that, like, you have to acknowledge that there are differences.
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Right, right, right.
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And again, you're talking, it goes back to athletics.
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We're not talking about everyday life, living your life. At least that's not
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what I'm talking about. You live your life as you see fit. Exactly.
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I agree with that. But when it comes to athletics, I think men born men should
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play against men. Women born women should play against women.
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Right. And maybe the conversation should be, maybe instead of allowing trans
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to play women's sports, maybe the trans should be allowed to play men's sports. Correct.
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Why isn't that ever a thing? I don't know. That's a great question.
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I think that's valid. What do you guys, like, those of you who are listening,
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like, if you're still listening, we hope we haven't, you know,
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upset anybody, but we need to have these conversations.
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What are you guys thinking? Like, what do you think about this?
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No, and I don't think that you can get upset when it comes from a place of honest,
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genuine conversation. Right, and you just want to know people's input.
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And you just want to talk. Like, we have to be able to create a safe space where people can talk.
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Even if you don't agree with how we're necessarily talking, then by all means,
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please shed light. We can have dialogue without killing each other.
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I'm so for real on that. Why can't we do that? We are going to go because we
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have another topic we're going to talk about.
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Oh, and Shama just really impressed me. She actually brought out the calendar,
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the one that she had replaced from the one that I bought her,
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the dollar calendar from the Ocean State Dog.
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Look at that full. Well, I liked my big calendar, and then I'd go to meetings,
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and it was nice because it was visible, because as you get older,
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you know, your eyesight changes, but I wear small purses now.
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I don't wear big, clunky purses, and I need my calendar with me.
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And I know some of you by this point are like, Shava, just use your damn phone.
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I don't trust technology enough, so if I lose stuff on my calendar,
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I'm so screwed. I need it, like, physically.
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I mean, I could do both, I suppose, but yeah. Anyways, I digress. Love you guys!
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Yeah, we're going to go. We're just babysitting my dog, Cooper.
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And as you can hear, he is having fun with his toys. And driving is crazy.
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On to the next episode. Peace.
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Two Tongues. Shake the boo.
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Welcome back to the late-night madness on WFool Radio.
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You tune into the only show where chaos comes complimentary.
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The only duo bravely.
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Shabba, welcome back. Welcome back to the podcast.
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Welcome. We're just doing an audio today. Welcome back to the Two Talking Fools.
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We are, we're doing it from my house, if you can't hear my dog in the background.
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I'm in his best life right now. He really is.
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We are the Two Talking Fools. We are just two average, and I mean average girls
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taking their phone calls to the podcast. Yeah.
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Welcome back has been quite some time since. Shabba and I have gotten on here
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and did just a regular good old podcast like the good old days.
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A regular degular podcast. The good old days when we were sitting in Cumberland
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Farms parking lot when we first started out.
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Shabba's currently going through old yearbooks of mine and.
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She saw her photo. Dude, I had the biggest ears, guys. I had the biggest ears.
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Holy shiitake mushrooms.
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Whew, those bad boys were huge.
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She complains about her ears. I have a schnoz of a nose. It's all relative.
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I mean, I think it's okay to admit our misfortunes.
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But I just have to ask you a question. That's what I'm looking for.
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I look at your ears now, and they're not in disproportion with your body.
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Thank you, Bessie. I appreciate that. And ears don't get smaller.
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Do you know that? like ears only get bigger.
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They say that your ears and your nose are the things that continue to grow.
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Okay, so I don't know how to take that, so do my ears get bigger or did I just
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finally grow into them maybe?
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No, what I'm saying is I don't think you ever had big ears to begin with.
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I think just— No, don't lie. I'm looking at your ears right now like,
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okay, hold on. I saw the evidence.
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Okay, look at, like, do that. Now see, you're already pushing up on your lobe.
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You're pushing up on your bottom lobe. Be more accurate. Okay,
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that's good. Just touch it, okay? Okay.
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Mine bigger like again i have a bigger ear see isn't that funny so it's just like okay.
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Welcome back to two talking fools podcast there's a lot going on there's a couple
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things that we were talking about and i was hesitant to talk about them but
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i'm like you know what they're going on in the world we should talk about them,
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real life events real life events,
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the first thing want to talk about is,
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sophie cunningham yeah go queen pop off queen go sophie.
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Where do you even start with the whole thing where do you start with the whole
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thing you know i'm feeling really bad because i have the utmost respect for
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her as somebody who simply was just saying.
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We need to keep female sports female, meaning those who were biologically born female.
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I don't think you have to pick a political side necessarily to want to just protect girls' sports.
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Now, if we think back, women had to fight for a lot of things.
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Women had to fight for equal opportunity.
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Women had to fight for rights to vote. Women had to fight for the ability to
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be able to work and not just be housewives.
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And if you're a housewife, more power to you. I'm just generally just listing
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off things that will not always equal for us. And then if we accidentally got
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knocked up, like, now we're like, you know.
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Right. Okay, exactly. So, like, there we have. Exactly. We've worked.
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We've come a long, we've come a long way.
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And now it's like everything nowadays is like, it has to be one side or another.
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So she responded that it's not politics for her. She just personally feels that
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female sports should remain female sports.
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Simple. simple and then unfortunately of course like everything else,
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I had to turn political because everything it everything does everything has
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to be political everything has to be a political it has to be a political thing
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and the wildest thing to me is like,
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I feel like a lot of people that.
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Make these things political justify it by saying well I have to know because
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if you vote for this person or if you feel this way about this person like you're
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either stupid or you're a fascist or like whatever.
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And I'm talking about both sides. Like I'm saying literally both sides. Both sides.
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And so you have this woman here that is, has been like,
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Like, one of the best athletes out there, okay? A lot of little girls that look up to her.
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This chick was playing sports from, like, way back in the day.
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I think she was even playing, like, football for, like, a quick moment.
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And then that came out, well, oh, well, she was playing football,
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so then it couldn't have mattered then. And, like, you know,
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all these little things. Like, you try to dig for stuff from people's past.
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And it's like, I don't understand. Like, all she said is to keep girls' sports for girls. Right.
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And then she even said she doesn't have any issues with the trans community.
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I didn't take it that she did.
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I mean, when she made that statement, I was like, thank you.
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I didn't take that as if she had any hatred towards any different group of individuals.
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She just said, let's keep girls sports for biological girls.
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I don't think that there's anything wrong with that.
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But unfortunately, like I said, everything's political.
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So if you feel that particular way, you must be one side over the other.
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You know what I mean? It's crazy.
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It's so crazy. Now you have people coming for her. They're coming straight for the jungler.
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It's getting nasty, dude. It's getting really nasty out there. And it's wild.
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I can admit it. I'm not huge. I feel like I haven't been a huge somebody who
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chooses to watch WNBA simply because over the last few years,
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it has become increasingly very political.
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You can't watch a sports game without somebody trying to make some sort of standard.
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You know what I mean? So it's not even enjoyable anymore. Well,
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that's why I also appreciate what Caitlin Clark said, which was she just believes
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that, like, we're here to play basketball.
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Let's keep it about basketball. Let's keep it about basketball.
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I think that's an okay thing to do is to keep more of this stuff out.
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But then people could say, oh, she didn't take a stand. Like,
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I think a couple people have even said that.
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Like, well, of course she said that. That's an easy way out.
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It's like, no, it's not. It's actually not an easy way out saying that.
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It's not an easy way. Like, she wants to just play the game.
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She doesn't want to get involved in all of the drama and all of the nonsense.
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Sense just play the freaking game right enjoy the game for what it is right
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you know what i mean i just it's crazy like i think everything has to be political
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no matter what you do or say everything's political these days and then okay so i'll play,
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i will play it from an athlete's position.
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If you look at the last flagrant two-fowl that Sophie Cunningham had on her
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in this last incident, if that were a guy— Dude, that was downright assault.
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I'm sorry. That was downright assault.
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Imagine if that were a guy. Imagine if that were LeBron James that put that same force into that.
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Like, so when you talk about the trans community, the only thing I will say
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is that there's a reason why I don't play softball with men is because I'm legitimately
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scared of getting hit in the face.
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I'm not trying to play any sports with men. Get the fuck out of there.
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And there's women that do.
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Yeah, I want to play with two sports. But there's a lot of us that are like,
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listen, we can barely keep up with the women in our… In your league.
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Like, softball is a perfect example.
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I'm playing with women from 20 years, 18 years of age to almost 68, 70 years old.
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And there are some scary-ass players.
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Scary-ass players. So never mind. These are women. Never mind men.
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You hit that ball hard enough. My God, you take somebody right out with the right hit.
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That's the scary part of it. Whether it's basketball, softball,
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field hockey, it don't matter. Well, it was funny because I was actually thinking
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about field hockey this past year.
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Imagine. My youngest, she's a little brute. As we know, she is a brute.
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She don't give a shit. She is a brute. That kid is a brute.
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And she came home with waltz. When I say waltz, like massive.
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I'm not talking about like a fist size bruise. I'm talking about massive bruises.
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Like right where her ribs are. She had another one like right where his thigh
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was. I think it was a cheap shot with a stick.
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Like bruises. That kid has come home with so many bruises because she plays deep guts.
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And I'm like, could you imagine a high school male,
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playing on a team with her no and they're playing and she's playing defense absolutely not like,
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it's just i don't understand like it's not it's not a political thing guys it's
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more of a safety issue i don't i don't understand how anybody can make that political i don't,
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i really don't when they were younger it's fine middle school and under it's
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fine they're still all developing they're still growing like you know what i
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mean but i'm like once you get to high school and above.
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Why do you think in grammar school they come up with, you know,
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11 through 13, 13 to 15, 15? Why do you think they come up with these?
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Because you want to play amongst your peers to make it as fair as possible.
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Right. As fair as possible. Right.
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Taking the stronger gender and mixing that in, I'm so sorry,
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doesn't even make it fair. And there's no arguing.
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You know what I mean? There's no arguing. Why is it? Okay. Like, let's be real here.
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Why is it like, I know something needs to be done at work, something needs to be moved.
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Excuse me. Sometimes I will do it, right?
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If it is something extremely heavy, and I know I do not have the physical capability
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of doing so, and I'm not a small girl, like, let's be real. Like,
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I'm a curvy female. I got meat to me.
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But if I can't do it, I'm not doing it. You know what I'm doing?
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I'm calling one of the men that I work with and being like, hey,
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can you guys help with it?
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And they take care of it. And there's a reason for that. Guys are built differently.
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100 muscle structures are different like everything's different about a man like,
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let's be real it's not it's just it's so annoying to me how political like i
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keep i can't emphasize that enough like how political things get,
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men are built differently than women they are they are they're built differently they are,
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and that's just and it's that's all i'm saying from my standpoint is to have
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a male okay it's like having he's kind of a big he's kind of a bigger male to
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be doing a comparison here but,
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there's talks of a couple players i think from overseas that are like oh we'll
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play in the wnba that are trans players or something like that or we'll become
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trans or i i don't i'm not sure if the whole.
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Please do not quote me on this because i'm not quoting myself but imagine having
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a shaquille o'neal play against like pagebackers like get out of here could
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you imagine that what or a david robinson or carl malone
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or like a dominique wilkins like you have any of these guys playing the wmba
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they're smashing these girls could you could you literally no no no.
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That'd be so wild and then what do you say oh,
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okay well then you know oh we'll adjust this like what are you gonna adjust
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to make it fair like there's nothing fair about that and if you're not an athlete,
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with all due respect, I really don't think that you have any.
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I think a big part of this comes into play. Like, if you're an athlete,
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you understand it's not fair. It's not the same. Men play at a different level.
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Women play at a different level. In order to be competitive with one another,
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they have to be separated.
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That's all there is to it. But if you're not an athlete, if you don't like athletics
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or understand athletics, how do you even have a say in this if you're just coming
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at it from a political standpoint?
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There is a 100% athletics portion to this.
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So I, I've been seeing on like TikTok and Instagram reels and stuff like that,
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which I'm pleasantly surprised about where you have trans, trans women,
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who are coming out and saying that they also agree that trans women should not
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be in sports with biological women.
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And I'm like, oh my God, like, you know, to hear this, I'm like,
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are people like watching this?
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Like for a trans woman to come out and say that, there's this person out of Massachusetts.
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I want to say that their female name is Davina, but like...
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Their first name was David. I'm trying to be mindful of, like, how I say things.
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And so Davina shares her journey on social media, and she has a young child.
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Like I said, she's out of Massachusetts. Very interesting to watch.
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And she shares her story about how she explains to her daughter,
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like, how he trapped this.
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And when she brings the daughter to school, I think she might have shared custody with her ex.
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And so she'll ask the daughter, do you want me to wear makeup and wig to drop
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you off? Or do you want me to be how I am without it?
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And so based off of what the daughter says, Davina will dress that way.
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Well, Davina has spoken out about some of this stuff where she also,
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doesn't like she doesn't understand how the argument is like,
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trans females should be treated the same way as biological women,
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because they're not the same and it was just crazy hearing that from somebody
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who's trans because I always want to hear insight from everybody like
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you know how how does somebody how does one person feel about this and granted
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she's one person but there's a lot of trans women that are coming out and saying
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they don't agree Okay. Let me ask you this.
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And if there's anybody that knows, I want to know. Yeah. Please clarify and educate me. Oh, yeah.
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How many trans men do you see playing...
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Sports. Biological male. Yes.
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How many? You don't. Why? I don't know. That's a valid question.
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Probably because regardless of how much testosterone or other things it takes
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to make them biologically transformed to a man, I still don't think it's enough,
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to change their overall build.
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Muscle structure, in order to compete at a fair level with other men.
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I agree with that. I do agree with that. That's an excellent point,
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my friend. I've actually wondered the same thing myself.
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And so then based on that, I would say it all goes back to, you know,
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is it fair for a biological male to play with women? And if we're just talking
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about that, I don't believe it's fair.
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It's not. But I also wondered where any of this came from.
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Like, I feel like back when we were in school, like this wasn't even a topic
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of discussion like you know what I mean you respected people's differences you
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did you respected people's differences and you just let like things were just
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the way they were it wasn't this like,
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in my opinion what feels like this almost backwards way of thinking where like
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you give women the opportunity to have their own league for all of these different
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sports programs but then at the same time you're telling them that they're like,
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discriminatory if they choose not to play with a trans female
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like all right how do you take that away like you give those rights or
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i should say give those rights like women earned those rights they earn those
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spaces they've earned those safe spaces but then at the same time you try to
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take that away from them and if they're uncomfortable then they're discriminatory towards a group,
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i'm like that's wild what yeah.
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I don't think it's exclusivity the same way that the Fever coach said it was.
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You know, her response to it was that she doesn't believe that exclusivity is good anytime.
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And I understand what she's saying. In an ideal world, I suppose you would have
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enough trans athletes that wanted to compete at that level that you could create
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its own league. Correct. Right?
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I just don't think it's there yet. but I don't think it's exclusivity.
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I think it's still trying to understand these waters.
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Right. I don't think it's fair to say that. Right. I don't know.
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I think that's a very interesting topic. And I think we live in a very sensitive
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time all around where people can't have open discussions without feelings getting hurt.
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And therefore, if you don't agree with somebody, You know, on one hand,
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you're either like transphobic or a bigot or a fascist or whatever.
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And then on the other hand, you know, you're an idiot, you're a snowflake, you're like, whatever.
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It's like there's no happy balance. But to me, that's not a political thing.
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It has everything to do with equal rights. But when we talk about equal rights,
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I'm specifically talking about equal rights for women.
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Right. So we go back to make everybody comfortable, but then you're taking away
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those same rates that when fought for. To me, that just doesn't make any sense.
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Right. In some regards, people may even call it contradictory. Right.
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And I have nothing but the utmost love for the trans, you know,
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the trans community. I don't discriminate towards anybody. I think we should
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let people, you know, just be how they want.
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It's the greatest time to be alive, especially if you want to be what you want.
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I mean, I'm a little mad that some of these trans women look better than I do.
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Like, I'm a little mad about that. That'd be so for real, some of them.
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I'm like, oh my God, it's not even right that you are legitimately hot AF.
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And I'm just sitting over here in this average land. And I'm like,
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there's this other, um, there are some wicked.
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There's this baddie. She's a little, she's a little on the wild side,
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but her name's Morgan something.
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And she's on Tik TOK, like fire, red hair, fire, fire, red hair.
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And she like scares off these guys because when they see her they're like oh
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my goodness you're so beautiful and then she talks about being trans and stuff like that but she even
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is another one who has said that trans women are not women like they're not it's not the same
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and I was like shocked I'm like oh my goodness there's you know it's another
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trans person that's coming out openly saying this and she is open about being
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trans she doesn't hide it
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and like some of her videos are crazy because she'll go on these like calls,
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like, what is it, Omegle or whatever?
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Like, you can, you randomly can call and talk to people from,
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like, all over the world and you don't know who you're going to end up talking to. What?
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Yeah, something like that. I don't know if it's Omegle or what.
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Wait, what, girl? Yeah, you literally, there's that.
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You can go on and you... What is this for, dating or just for fun? Random conversations.
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I think this is fascinating. You have no idea who you're going to talk to.
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You have absolutely no idea who you're going to talk to.
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And so she does this, and these people, when they see her.
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They're like, oh, my goodness. And they, like, fall in love because she's absolutely
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stunning. She really is absolutely beautiful. She's, like, beautiful.
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But these guys are only thinking one thing because if you look at her,
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they're like, mm, you know what I'm saying? Going to get some. Right.
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So when they're creepy like that, what she'll do is she does this scary thing
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where she's, like, you know, she'll, like, be, like, flirting with them.
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And then all of a sudden she, like, does this, like, scary voice and face or whatever.
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And then usually they'll click off. You have some that are a little on the freaky side.
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So then they start laughing and like they'll play along whatever and she's like
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you're like you're crazy too and then she'll get to know them there was this
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one guy who was like acting as if he was jesus or whatever,
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and oh he's so sweet there's this guy that was acting like he was jesus and
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the guy was so polite and she did the same thing to him and he just like was
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so calm the whole time he was dressed up as if he was jesus it was like the craziest thing
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but yeah she will post these videos and that's why i'm always intrigued because
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i'm like oh my god what is the coming of this one Like, what happened with this
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one? Like, what does this guy do?
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But she even said, she's like, I acknowledge trans women are not biological women.
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We are different. And that's what she says. And I'm like, wow,
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there's a lot more people in the trans community that are also in agreement
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that, like, you have to acknowledge that there are differences.
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Right, right, right.
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And again, you're talking, it goes back to athletics.
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We're not talking about everyday life, living your life. At least that's not
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what I'm talking about. You live your life as you see fit. Exactly.
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I agree with that. But when it comes to athletics, I think men born men should
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play against men. Women born women should play against women.
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Right. And maybe the conversation should be, maybe instead of allowing trans
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to play women's sports, maybe the trans should be allowed to play men's sports. Correct.
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Why isn't that ever a thing? I don't know. That's a great question.
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I think that's valid. What do you guys, like, those of you who are listening,
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like, if you're still listening, we hope we haven't, you know,
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upset anybody, but we need to have these conversations.
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What are you guys thinking? Like, what do you think about this?
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No, and I don't think that you can get upset when it comes from a place of honest,
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genuine conversation. Right, and you just want to know people's input.
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And you just want to talk. Like, we have to be able to create a safe space where people can talk.
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Even if you don't agree with how we're necessarily talking, then by all means,
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please shed light. We can have dialogue without killing each other.
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I'm so for real on that. Why can't we do that? We are going to go because we
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have another topic we're going to talk about.
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Oh, and Shama just really impressed me. She actually brought out the calendar,
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the one that she had replaced from the one that I bought her,
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the dollar calendar from the Ocean State Dog.
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Look at that full. Well, I liked my big calendar, and then I'd go to meetings,
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and it was nice because it was visible, because as you get older,
00:23:01.416 --> 00:23:04.806
you know, your eyesight changes, but I wear small purses now.
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I don't wear big, clunky purses, and I need my calendar with me.
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And I know some of you by this point are like, Shava, just use your damn phone.
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I don't trust technology enough, so if I lose stuff on my calendar,
00:23:15.196 --> 00:23:17.635
I'm so screwed. I need it, like, physically.
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I mean, I could do both, I suppose, but yeah. Anyways, I digress. Love you guys!
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Yeah, we're going to go. We're just babysitting my dog, Cooper.
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And as you can hear, he is having fun with his toys. And driving is crazy.
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On to the next episode. Peace.
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