Encounters x259

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Hi everyone I'm Peter Andre and I'm Emily Andre. Welcome
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to At Home with the Andres. You stole my line.
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I thought it said Peter twice. You said Peter thrice.
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That's why you need to pause. I'll go back I'll
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go back sorry can we pause there? I'm Peter Andre
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and I'm Emily Andre.
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I can't get this right okay one more time this
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is it.
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Join us for At Home with the Andres. Listen wherever
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Or watch on Spotify and YouTube.
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Keep watching.
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You had to add that bit in there. I know,
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because I'm trying to redeem myself.
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When you put your body in the hands of a surgeon,
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you assume your doctor will do you no harm.
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I'm looking at the surgery board for tomorrow going, these
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people are f * * * ed.
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But when your doctor's in it just for the money...
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something absolutely insane happens.
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One doctor says, yeah, I did a lumbar fusion. My
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kickback was 25,000. And the other doctor's going, well, I
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only got 12,000 because I did a neck.
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This is a story about a massive web of fraud
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and deception. Dozens of doctors all over Southern California.
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A fraud worth.
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Over $ 1 billion.
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Patients were committing suicide, losing their homes, losing their marriages.
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From Sony Music Entertainment and Western Sound, this is Dr.
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Billions.
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When I was an angsty teenager, I decided it would
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be cool to make a Ouija board with my own blood.
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What the fuck? Today, we're grateful for ghost stories. What
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the fuck is this thing? It's not what you picture
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when you're driving home for the holidays. Very spooky.
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Hey.
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Hey. Hegel, hey. Hegel, hey.
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We really need to make some new merch because we've
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come up with some great slogans lately that we need
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to put on something.
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I feel like on Patreon, people remind us of it.
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And I screenshot. I wrote them down. Okay, good. Because
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I've been screenshotting them. And then they get lost in
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the screenshots. Yeah.
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No, but I put it in our running list, to-do list.
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There's two. Witchy behavior. That's the one I screenshot at
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the end of the day. And go cleanse yourself. Oh,
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fuck yes. I love this brand. I'm so glad.
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That's actually really good news for me that you love
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this brand as much as me.
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Hey, news slash everyone. Corinne loves this brand. Oh, wait,
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the brand is us. I forgot. Who are we, by
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the way? Two girls, one ghost. Two And we clearly
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don't have any egos over here. We just love ourselves.
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I fucking love us. I love us. That's Corinne, who
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I love. And I'm Sabrina, who I also love. I
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love myself. It took a long time to get here,
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but hey, I love myself.
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And I'm still working on it every day because sometimes
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I hate myself, but most of the time I love myself.
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We give thanks to those moments. Oh my God, we
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do because it's Thanksgiving. It's Thanksgiving. The day that we
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slaughtered so many innocent people. Yes. No.
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Well, we didn't do it on that day. We paused
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it for the day.
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Not to be super political, but I feel like that's
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kind of on brand for American history.
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Slaughter?
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I don't know why I'm going to say it like that.
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Is it political? It's just history. It's just true. I mean, well,
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it's all of it. It's everything. And yeah, so we
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all get together. We're really great. With friends and family.
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And we pretend to ignore all of these things. And
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we say we're thankful for other people. We outline our
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hands on... craft paper and make little turkeys out of them.
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And today we're grateful for ghost stories. Yeah, this is...
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We'll just get away from that sadness real quick.
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I'm going to be in Amsterdam when it's coming out.
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Oh, yeah. What's your itinerary? Because you're gone for a while.
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10 days. That's a while. Not that long. Every day
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is so long to me.
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I haven't taken a vacation in how long? And I'm
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also going to be working on that trip, so it
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won't be really. But I'm going somewhere different, which is fun.
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I feel like you say that because like I think
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your idea of vacation is like something specific, but I
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feel like you're always gone because you're always taking little
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tiny weekend trips places.
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Yeah, I think I'm definitely taking advantage of the fact
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that we can work remotely.
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But like I have to touch your sweater. Oh, please
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touch me. It looks so freaking soft. I've had this
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sweater for like 10 years.
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It's from Zara. I've never been able to find it again.
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This is so nice. It's the best. I had ones
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in this material and I got holes in all of them.
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They like were pilling and coming out. Oh, there's one
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little pill coming. You better be careful. Don't touch that pill.
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If you can't find that sweater again, you're effed. It's
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the best.
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And it's like perfectly oversized and comfy.
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Love. Beautiful.
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My itinerary, I'm going to be in, Payne and I
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are going to Amsterdam. So it's Payne's birthday on the 21st.
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So we're going to be in Amsterdam for like five
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days at just like.
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A normal hotel. And then we're going to Bruges in Belgium.
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And this is kind of like a really monumental moment
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for me because I was conceived on Thanksgiving in Belgium.
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31 years ago.
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You've been called back. I'm coming back. I've never been.
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I don't know if it was Bruges, but either way
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we're going and we're staying at this super cool, super
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historic place, which obviously I'll talk a lot more about
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it when we go. And then we're going back to
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Amsterdam for two days and staying at this old, it
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used to be a notary.
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It's called the notary. It literally used to be a notary.
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Oh.
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Yeah. And the rooms are all themed and it's like
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a museum now.
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It's super cool. It kind of looks like a ship.
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So cool.
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Yeah. Oh, I need to see pictures of this. Yeah.
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This sounds awesome. Yeah. But I'm excited. Take a lot
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of photos. Because then when you talk about it, we
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can show everybody. Insert photo. It's like when people, because
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of course you want to see all of Sabrina's vacation photos, right?
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Isn't that the, I actually do, but it's like the
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classic thing where someone's like, oh, I took a trip
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and they show you like, 100 photos of them just
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like in the same spot in the ocean holding.
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A pina colada do you remember that was such a
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thing like after vacations i remember my mom would invite
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friends and family over and they'd have the printed photos
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that we picked up put them in a little scrapbook
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no like she would literally pass them out and like
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be like hey like this is us here.
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This is us here it's like Who cares? It feels
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like who cares, but like when you love someone, you
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do care.
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And I guess we have that equivalent now where it's
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all online and you just pick the best photos.
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And people who choose to follow you can look at it.
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They want to see your vacation photos.
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So it's the equivalent of you all coming over to
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my house and looking at my vacation photos.
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Yeah.
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So let's see this old ship place.
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We will.
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Okay, great.
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Until then, we have ghost stories.
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This is from our listener, Nadia, and it's called, I
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really believe that my entire family are alien hybrids.
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Am I too? I was just going to say, well,
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then that means you are, right? Unless you're adopted. I'm like, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay,
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I'm excited.
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Hey, my ghosty girly besties, I've been a listener for
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years and I would like to tell you my story.
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I believe my entire family have gifts and they don't
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fade with age. So I realized my connection with the
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other side a few years back when I pretty much
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felt death on my great aunt and cousin.
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Felt it on them.
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On two different occasions, I hugged them and got really
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sad and tears started coming down my face for no reason.
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Not two weeks later, both of them passed.
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Whoa. This is so interesting to actually feel it because
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people talk about auras. People talk about premonitions, but to
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just feel it, feel the energy of what's about to
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happen to someone when you're touching them. How confusing that
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must be too. Yeah.
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On Thanksgiving last year was when I actually heard the
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words from a loved one. My family and I were
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sitting around the kitchen laughing and enjoying our time together
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when all of a sudden I got an overwhelming feeling
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of sadness. Not necessarily death sadness, just a longing sadness
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and a message came through my mind like a thought.
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I heard, everything's going to be okay. He is going
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to be okay. And I somehow knew it was from
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my great aunt Eloise and I knew that I was
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supposed to tell my cousin that message, who was her daughter.
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And the he that was being referred to was her
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brother who was going through legal problems. And the sister
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was struggling trying to save him. So I told my cousin,
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who was sitting next to me because she noticed my
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sudden change of body language, what had just happened. And
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not five minutes later, my baby cousin came in and
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said she was talking to Aunt Eloise in the bathroom.
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She never met Aunt Eloise. She wasn't even born when
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Aunt Eloise passed away. So I had to tell everyone
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what had happened. Fast forward some years later to present day.
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My family laid my 90-year-old great-grandmother to rest. And last year,
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we laid my grandmother to rest. She was buried right
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beside her along with three of her other kids. As
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we were all leaving, everyone had gotten in the cars
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and were pulling off, but we had been struggling to
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get my one and a half year old son in
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the car. He continuously kept trying to go back to
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the grave site. This was about 50 yards away from
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our car. So my sister looked at me and said,
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let's just see where he goes. What really had me
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in tears was when he started laughing and waving both
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of his hands playfully. He went back to the grave
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and he was saying, bye bye.
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Oh, I have chills. Oh, my God.
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Later that same weekend, my family and I were sitting
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around the kitchen area talking, and one of my little
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cousins was sitting off to the side and just started pouting.
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I go, what's wrong? And he says, man, I'm mad.
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I ask, why? What's wrong?
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He says, man, Aunt Ree said I can't come with her.
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I ask, when did she say that? And he said
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that she said it this morning. But y'all, his Aunt Ree...
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is my grandma who passed last year. Thanks for reading
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my story. See you on the other side, Nadia.
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I just got chills again. Oh my God. It's like.
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kind of beautiful.
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I love it because they're all so connected and intertwined.
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Right. It's all positive.
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I mean, it's sad to feel death on people and
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then for them to pass away and also sad to
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bury so many loved ones.
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But like, clearly.
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you're all so connected to one another because all of
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these hauntings are related to family members.
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And I also think that it's so beautiful that her
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son can see relatives so clearly because I feel like
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that's another thing when people lose family members, like when
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they're pregnant or when they're, I think it's just like
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a common thing where people are like, oh, I wish
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you could have met. Like my mom says all the
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time about my dad's dad. Like, oh, I wish you
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could have met your grandpa. Like he was such a
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great guy. And I think it's really beautiful that like,
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Sometimes they do. Sometimes they do. Just because they're gone
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doesn't mean they never get to meet them.
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Yeah.
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They most certainly will. Yeah. That's really sweet. That is
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really sweet. Also, this is our reminder.
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I feel like every year on Thanksgiving, we do say this.
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I mean, this is a note for everyone all the time,
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but I think we say it a lot on Thanksgiving
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because it is a time when you're gathered with family, friends,
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people that perhaps you don't see.
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All the time. Sit them down. Break that wishbone.
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I don't know. And say, so what ghost stories have
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you been keeping from me and withholding from me? Because
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I need to know them so I can tell my
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good friends, Corinne and Sabrina, Two Girls, One Ghost podcast.
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It's the perfect opportunity. I would also argue that this
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is a conversation starter that will get people excited, riled up.
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And also, it's not overly divisive, although maybe some people
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feel like it is. But I feel like it's kind
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of a safe. Doesn't that sound like drums? It sounded
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like drums. Hello? The British are coming. The Americans are coming.
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That was so weird. That is weird.
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It really sounded like reenactment militia drums.
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I don't know. Interesting. Anyway, ask friends and family for
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ghost stories. And if you are someone who doesn't have
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the opportunity to be with friends and family this Thanksgiving,
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we can be your friends and family and you can
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tell ghost stories right now with us. Hey! Let's meet
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to do Girls and Ghosts. We'll be your company.
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Yes.
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I love football season. The games, the rivalries, the food,
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getting everyone together. No game day feels complete without a
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trip to Total Wine & More. I can find everything
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from cold beer and canned cocktails to wines and spirits
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for the whole crew. And if I want to bring
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something different to the watch party, the Total Wine team
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always has ideas. Plus, it's nice knowing I'm getting the
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lowest prices. Get your game day lineup ready at Total
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North Carolina. Drink responsibly.
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Be 21.
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So.
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I feel like every year I usually pick ones that
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are like really heartwarming because it's like, oh, whatever Thanksgiving.
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And this year I picked one that is and one
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that's not because they both happened around Thanksgiving time. So
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I was like, okay, that's the direction I'm going to
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take this year.
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I went for like, I searched Thanksgiving, but then I
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also picked something that was like clearly a subject line
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for me.
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And I'm grateful for that. I made it about me.
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I'm selfish. No, you are for you. You are not
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for everyone else. This is witchy behavior.
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I'm just being us.
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Yeah. Yeah. I'm just being us. Because you and I
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are one. I'm just being me. I'm just being us.
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It's funny that you're like, I'm just being us. Because
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when Marissa was here visiting, I caught myself one time
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and I said, okay, I promise that this is the
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last time I'm going to bring up Sabrina because you
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were just in all of my stories. So, like, I
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talk about you constantly. Yeah. I was like, I promise
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I'm not obsessed with Sabrina. I mean, every second of
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my life.
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We like don't do much outside of spend time with
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each other.
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Right. Yeah. Every story I had for the past year.
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I'm like, so me and Sabrina. So Sabrina told me.
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So Sabrina this, Sabrina that. I'm like, wow. And I'm
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also like your capsule into the outside world. Yeah. You
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tell me what happens beyond those walls. Yeah. I follow
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you on social media. I see some things. Is this
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called shapeshifter? Cannibal deer? Not deer? Maybe.
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Hola. Hola.
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I just recently started listening to your podcast. I didn't
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start at the beginning. I'm working my way backwards. I
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would be lying if I said I knew which episode
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I'm on and nobody wants to start something on a lie.
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So yeah. My name is Jenny. You pronounce it like
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Forrest Gump says Jenny without the southern twang. So just Jenny? Well,
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it's interesting because it's spelled G or no, J-E-N-N-A-Y. Like, oh, Jenny.
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So is it Jenny? It's Jenny. Not Jenny. Jenny. Instead
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of Janae. Or is it just Jenny, but it looks
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like it's spelled Janae? Oh, no. Okay, we'll say it.
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Janae.
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Janae. I'm sorry. I think it's Janae. I'm going to
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say Janae.
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Okay.
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Okay. I have a few stories to share with you,
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but I am writing this on a whim, so I
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will stick with one that won't require me to sit
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down and think about the timeline. Fair. Picture this somewhere
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in Pennsylvania, 2016. Okay. I was driving back home to
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New York for Thanksgiving from Nashville. I was rocking out
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to Metallica, minding my own business. And I started feeling
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very nervous. I couldn't explain it. So I convinced myself
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that it was just the insane amount of coffee and
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Red Bull that I was smashing during my journey. Smashing.
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All of a sudden, my Bluetooth started going out and
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I was pissed. I was like, what the fuck? This
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shouldn't be happening. I hadn't listened to FM radio in years.
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I was damn sure I wasn't about to start doing
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that during this long-ass boring drive.
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Hell no.
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And yes, I cuss a lot. It is my thing.
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Fuck it. Thankfully... Fuck it, Jenna. Thankfully, whatever malfunction was
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going on remedied itself. Now to the juicy part. Juicy. So,
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you like caressed your thigh while you said that. Juicy.
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It's like the Mean Girls dance. Yeah. So along the
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deserted highway was something in the median on the driver's side.
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I was cruising on the left lane, so I slowed
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down because crashing equals a horrible fucking road trip. Don't
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want that.
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No.
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I've never seen a creature like this before. Oh, no.
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It resembled a deer, but it was on its back
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legs and it was eating roadkill. Yes, all of that
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is fucked up. Deer don't do that. But that's not all, though.
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It had these fangs, sort of like a werewolf, and
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had these black eyes that radiated their darkness through the
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dark night. And I know that this makes zero sense,
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but now imagine being me. So the radio, I just
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about died when it stopped working. It literally turned off.
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I didn't realize it at the time, but it did.
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Me and this fucking thing held eye contact as I passed.
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I looked in the rearview window as I passed it,
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and it was there, in the road, looking back at me.
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I know because of the eyes. They were black, but
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they were glowing, and I can't articulate it. I spent
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about five minutes driving like a bat out of hell
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in silence, and that's when I realized that the music
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had turned off. Again? Well, I think it started to
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go in and out, and then the second they made
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eye contact, it just... I was so scared I didn't
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even try to turn it back on. Now I was
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listening to One by Metallica, but when the radio kicked
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back on about 10 minutes later, I was on Enter
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Sandman during the prayer hook. I turned off my fucking
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radio so fast and started saying the Lord's Prayer over
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and over and over again. And I didn't talk about
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it for a while because who the fuck would believe that? Well,
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we would. Us. This is horrifying. So that's it. My
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short story explaining whatever the fuck I saw in the
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mountains of Pennsylvania. I fucking hate driving through there. So
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I guess it's a thing to say, see you on
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the other side. So yeah, I'll see you there. Jai Nye.
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What the fuck is this thing? I feel like I'm
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just going to curse a lot because Jenna.
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Jenna said it's cool. So we're going to curse all
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over the place. Sorry.
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I would try to think of a curse word to
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say in that sentence and I couldn't. We're trying to
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absorb your personality right now. The one that we made
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up from the time of your email. Yeah.
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But what the fuck?
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It seems like that moment probably was in reality only
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30-ish seconds, but feels like in the way that Jenna
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experienced it was 10 minutes long and like the eye contact.
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Seeing every detail of this not dear creature.
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Yeah. And it's like being alone on the road. Eating something.
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Just like doing your normal. It's Thanksgiving. This is the
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beginning of a horror movie. It is. It is what
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it is. And it's eating the roadkill. Standing on its
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back two legs.
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Ew.
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It's got New Jersey devil vibes mixed with not dear.
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Yeah. Mixed with cannibalism. It was Thanksgiving. It was feasting.
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It was feasting. Yuck. It's not what you picture when
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you're driving home for the holidays. No, it's not.
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But oftentimes I feel like those drives do conjure up
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the weirdest things because so many people are on the
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road trying to get places and go places. There's probably
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just weird energy just festering all over the place.
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Everyone's anxious.
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Yeah.
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There's always anxiety. Yeah. I feel like no one just
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goes home without it, right?
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Actually, I had a friend in college. And we've talked
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about this recently, like sometimes knowing too much, I think,
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plagues you.
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It's sometimes nicer to be more naive.
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Anyway, I had a friend in college who was the
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most pleasant person pure human I've ever met I think
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about her so often because I've never met anyone else
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like this where I'm like she's a unicorn she's a
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ray of sunshine a literal ray of sunshine.
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Like her voice every just everything about her I mean
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I don't know this person but I follow this person
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on social media her name is Kristen Johns and I
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feel like she is reminds innocence, just like a happy
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person with like that light, sweet voice and just everyone
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who sees, like they're so smiley and just happy.
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Sees the best in everything, in every situation. Hopefully, Knockham Wood,
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it seems like, has never experienced any trauma, was really
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well adjusted, had great parental figures. They communicate through their
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issues or don't even have issues to communicate through.
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Yeah. If you exist, let us know. Well, the person
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we're thinking of probably doesn't have anxiety driving home for Thanksgiving. Yeah, true.
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They probably live at home. Do they get road rage?
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They probably do live at home. I think they did
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after college, didn't they? She did. There we go.
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Yeah.
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If I lived at home, my mother and I would
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have some scars. This is a great email to read
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based on this conversation. It's called Teen Angst, Demons, and
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Cute Cursed Items and Ouija Things. Hey, so when I
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was a teenager, I used to live in a haunted house.
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Many things happened over the years, and we generally concluded
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as a family that the.
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House had bad vibes.
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But we did have a lot of great memories there. However,
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it was a house that had a lot of bad
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memories too, because at the time, my family was not
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getting along very well. Anyway, we had someone come bless
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the house this one time, and the person blessing the
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house asked my dad if he kept anything in the
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house that might be an antique. This guy blessing the
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house pointed in a direction where he thought the antique
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might have been. And my dad was quite surprised that
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he pointed that way because in that room, in the closet,
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he had a knife that was given to him by
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his father, which he had gotten in Bali. The handle
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of the knife had a face that looked like a
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demon or a goblin. This person who blessed the house
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said that the knife had an attachment to it, that
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it was large and a dark being causing havoc in
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the house. And it hangs around the house or in
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the backyard in a tree because it was not being
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taken care of properly.
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Interesting.
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In our region, certain knives and certain objects need to
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be taken care of with rituals where you cleanse the
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item and sort of give it a mini sacrifice. My
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dad did not know this, nor did his dad tell
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him that he had to do anything like that because
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he probably didn't know either. So this object was just
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collecting dust in the closet for years. So anyway, I
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and my siblings used to get a lot of sleep
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paralysis in that particular house. I used to get it
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quite often in my rooms. But I remember the very
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first time that I had sleep paralysis. I couldn't move
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and I saw a tall, dark figure hovering above me,
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sort of crouching down above me from the edge of
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my bed. I remember being terrified. But as I came to,
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being a fan of the paranormal even back then, I
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ran right to my family computer in the pitch darkness
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in the middle of the night to Google.
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What the heck it was.
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And that is when I found all about sleep paralysis
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on the internet.
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I love this.
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I love like not even turning the lights on being like,
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I need to know what this was.
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Yeah. I'm so excited. Straight to like the blue screen
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opened up in the darkness. Yeah.
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Like horrifying, but I'm so stoked. Around that time, my
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sister used to sleep in my room with me. And
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in my room, she too had her first experience of
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sleep paralysis. It was a very similar experience. But instead
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of the dark figure hovering above my sister, my sister
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watched it hover over me.
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Oh, my God. This reminds me so much of your
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story with your sister, just like knowing everyone's parts or
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specifically their parts. Right.
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But our listener is saying that her sister was paralyzed
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seeing her experience the sleep paralysis.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. It's wild.
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So she couldn't move or speak. When we spoke about
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it later, we started to call this thing Blackie. I
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don't know why, but this house, every time we talk
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about ghost experiences, we link it to our friend Blackie.
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You could imagine me and my sister surprised after someone
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described Blackie again years after both of us experienced the
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sleep paralysis.
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Here are two.
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Theories on why we experienced it. One, it had something
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to do with that knife that my dad had in
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the closet. Or two, is that I probably did not
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make things better because when I was an angsty teenager...
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I decided it would be cool to make a Ouija
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board with my own blood.
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What the fuck? Some evil thing happened here.
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Three people die in a quiet suburb in the same house,
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years apart.
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It's not a coincidence. This wasn't ghosts and goblins, okay?
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These were murders.
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From Sony Music Entertainment, this is what happened to the Harrisons.
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Start listening today, wherever you get your podcasts. Subscribers to
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The Binge can listen to all episodes, all at once, ad-free.
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Oh, my God. When I played.
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Also, like, I need to know all the other materials. Like,
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it's not just, like, a pool of blood and then
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you wrote, like, the letters in it, right? Yeah.
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I imagine the letters were written in blood. And did
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the idea come, like, when you cut yourself and you
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were like, oh, I'll use this blood? Or did you, like...
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prick your finger to create it.
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I think there was an active choice in creating it. Man,
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we need more information.
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This is a weird question, but I wonder how long
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blood stays. Like if you were to get like a
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nosebleed and you just collected it in a jar and
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you put it in the fridge, like how long is
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that good for? Good for?
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Like you're going to be drinking it?
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Oh, for crafting. Yeah.
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Like how long does it stay liquid?
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How long can you use it To create a blood
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Ouija board until it's like, this is... And does it
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become like dangerous? Does it grow mold? Oh, that's interesting.
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Does blood grow mold?
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I like how I look to the cameras as if
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someone is going to respond immediately.
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Someone will. We should just take to the internet. Hey Siri.
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We need a phlebotomist. Hey Siri. Is that the right word? Phlebotomist?
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A phlebotomist? I don't know. I think those are the
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blood people. The blood people. Does blood grow mold outside
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of the body?
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It can get moldy or bacterial contamination, especially if left
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at room temperature.
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Okay. Curious how long this blood Ouija board was good for.
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Can I tell you the three or the four different
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Reddit threads that came up when I Googled that?
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Lab rats, witchcraft, morbid questions, moldy interesting. I feel like
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all four of those perfectly correspond. are encapsulated in what
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we talk about. Exactly. Those are our favorite Reddit threads.
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That's our genre.
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Okay, here Saz is with a blood-made Ouija board. And
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when I played the Ouija board, I didn't really have
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any responses. But when I look back, I do think
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all of the sleep paralysis and encounters with Blackie happened
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after my blood Ouija board creation. So maybe I summoned him?
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Was it a result of keeping this Ouija board a
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secret from my family? We moved out eventually, but my
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sister and brother stayed for a few months after the
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rest of the family moved to.
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A different house.
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They were eventually forced to move out of the house
587
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because it was mostly empty and also because they got
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scared of the strange noises and happenings. They amplified when
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the rest of us had moved out and the house
590
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eventually felt oppressive and dark the longer they stayed.
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Oh, no.
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Anyway.
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I'm a much calmer adult now, and despite my curiosity
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to the paranormal, I can safely say that I am
595
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only a content consumer of the occult, observing from a
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distance rather than being a practitioner by any means.
597
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Although I feel like practicing comes naturally because instead of
598
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just being like, oh, let me get a piece of
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paper or let me go buy a Ouija board from
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Toys R Us, Saz is like, I know how to
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make this from my own blood and body. I think
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Saz has changed their toot about it.
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It's like, I'm no longer craftin'. No longer craftin'. No
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longer craftin'. Is that where witchcraft comes from?
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It's like a little craft corner? That's exactly what my
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train of thought was just going to. I was like,
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how fun is this? Okay. And it also makes me
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especially happy talking about it this way because from our
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Discord channel, the Two Girls One Ghost Discord channel, you
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guys can join it. It's open to anyone. There is
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a group of people who do crafts together.
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They do.
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Witchcraft. There we go. You've heard it here first. Prediscovered witchcraft.
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It's ours.
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TM.
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Witch. Witch. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed my story. Thank you, TGOG.
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Much love. Saz from Brunei?
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Bruni?
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I don't know where that is. Me neither. Anyway, thanks, Saz. Interesting, Saz.
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Anyone else create a Ouija board with their own blood?
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Because I would love to know more about that.
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I know.
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And how long did Saz keep this board? I need
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to know that. How much blood does it take is
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my question. And do we have a picture? Is there
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a Polaroid? Do you still have the board? What did
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you do with the board? Did you scrapbook? Did you
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scrapbook of your... Of your blood?
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Have you ever done a bloodletting ceremony?
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No, have you? Have you ever become like.
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No. Have you ever become blood brothers with anyone?
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No. Would you like to become one? No.
633
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This does seem like something we would do with the brotherhood.
634
00:28:31.650 --> 00:28:34.710
Yes, but I'm so aware of diseases. Okay, well, we can.
635
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Drip it into like a bowl and like, you know,
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like a mortar and pestle. Well, mortar and pestle are.
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00:28:40.829 --> 00:28:44.509
I would mortar and pestle my blood with you. Okay. Great. Quick.
638
00:28:44.890 --> 00:28:47.890
We've got to text the brotherhood. First, the hair rat
639
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tail braid. I don't know if we've talked about that.
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Second book club. I think we did. Yes, we did.
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It might have been in the unrecorded episode. Oh, was it?
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I think so.
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Oh.
644
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We made a strange Ghost Girls Brotherhood Colton Coven.
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Colton Coven. It's such a hard name to remember.
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00:29:02.650 --> 00:29:05.390
We have a Brotherhood Colton Coven with Ash and Elena
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of Morbid. That is a book club slash paranormal investigative
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group slash friendship slash friendship.
649
00:29:11.420 --> 00:29:13.000
It's just a friend group that does weird things.
650
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:14.900
That does weird things together. And one of the weird
651
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:16.720
things we did, it's a yes and group.
652
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:21.299
It is. No one's ever said no to anything anyone's pitched. Ever.
653
00:29:21.700 --> 00:29:25.519
Inspired by the book Slew Foot by Brahm, we cut
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off chunks of our hair and braided them all together,
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making a witchy rat tail that is traveling.
656
00:29:33.190 --> 00:29:35.329
It's a traveling rat tail. Yeah. I'm trying to find
657
00:29:35.369 --> 00:29:39.049
my little spot. I haven't been able to find it. Oh,
658
00:29:39.089 --> 00:29:39.509
I found it.
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00:29:39.509 --> 00:29:39.950
Okay.
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00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:42.779
You're i know exactly where it is i can feel
661
00:29:42.980 --> 00:29:45.099
ash on the back of my head chopping it off
662
00:29:45.460 --> 00:29:47.319
and now we are gonna have a mortar and pestle
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blood coven yeah yeah okay next book club okay i
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have a email that is called jesus gave me golden
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wings a grandfather sets me free, and the cat sees
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a ghost. This does sound lovely. It does, right? Hi, ghostesses.
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I'm fairly new to the podcast. Oh, how interesting. As
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I first learned about you from the morbid gals. Ha ha, serendipity.
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I joined your Patreon and I'm trying to go through
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all of the archives a few at a time while
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also listening to all of the new stuff. Obviously, I
672
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love the podcast or I wouldn't be here sending in
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my stories to you. Or a Patreon member. Or a
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Patreon member. Thank you. But I wanted to say one
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thing about you guys that I really appreciate. Oh, starting
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off with compliments. Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thanks to us. It's Thanksgiving. It's Thanksgiving. Thank you. So
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send us compliments. Compliment us. I feel like everyone who
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emails us starts with a compliment. They do.
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We always read them.
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We could omit them, but why? But why? Most, if
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not all, of what you cover is material that gets
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a hefty helping of side-eye from the vast majority of
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the population, including my husband. Every time you read others' stories,
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you take the time to explore the details and share
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your thoughts on the possibilities of meanings and causes. including
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new theories of your own. It's really validating to those
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who write in because we all believe in what we've
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experienced because we experienced it. So thank you for creating
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space where people can share and feel believed and encouraged.
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That's really nice. That is nice. Sometimes I forget. Because
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we believe in it so much. I don't even consider
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it not being possible. Yeah. It doesn't feel like we're
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putting effort into believing anyone's thoughts.
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We're also just like, we genuinely want to know and
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we are so curious.
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Yeah. Because there is no right.
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Now where we are in history and in knowledge. We
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don't have explanation yet. So it is a lot of
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hypothesizing and exploring what ifs and maybe it's this. And
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I think that's so much of the fun of the paranormal.
703
00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:43.000
Yeah. Why not? Why not?
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Right.
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That's our slogan. It's like got milk or like just
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do it. Two girls, one ghost.
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Why not?
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Yeah.
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I've always been very sensitive to energy and can often
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feel things that others don't. I've had wild sensory experiences
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that I can't explain or justify. For example, during the
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attacks on 9-11, I could feel the chaos inside the towers.
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I could smell smoke. I could hear the alarms and
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the screams. I felt lost in the darkness of the stairwells,
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and I could even hear the wind in the ears
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of people jumping to their deaths. I didn't try to
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feel these things. It just happened to me. How old
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was she? I have no idea.
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Jeez.
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Unfortunately, I could turn it on and off, but even
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to this day, I can clearly recall the experience.
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00:32:26.329 --> 00:32:29.460
That to me, it feels like it backs up this
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idea of universal consciousness so much that like we are
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all connected to one another.
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Yeah.
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And- If you are able, like you can connect to that.
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I think of it as like the computer web systems
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and the way that everything's pinging off of each other.
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00:32:45.819 --> 00:32:48.700
Literally fungi. Yeah. What was that study? There was like
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some study where they like took some fungi and like
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it has like some sort of reaction. Oh, God, I
732
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:57.190
can't remember. But basically it was like they took something
733
00:32:57.269 --> 00:32:59.950
that in like a group of mushrooms or fungi or whatever.
734
00:33:00.380 --> 00:33:03.180
like has a certain reaction. They like brought it 3,000
735
00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:05.140
miles away from like where it was and it still
736
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:09.970
was like interacting and communicating with its like host colony
737
00:33:09.990 --> 00:33:13.390
of cells. It is wild. We are fungus. We are.
738
00:33:13.410 --> 00:33:16.109
We're stardust. We're fungus. We're creepy little meat suits.
739
00:33:16.390 --> 00:33:16.589
Yeah.
740
00:33:16.910 --> 00:33:20.299
And we're just here to have a fun time. Why not?
741
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:22.039
We don't know what to say. We're just like, why not?
742
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:26.279
Another time, I was in my third of a series
743
00:33:26.339 --> 00:33:29.690
of craniosacral therapy sessions trying to get relief from severe
744
00:33:29.769 --> 00:33:32.430
pain from TMJ disorder. If you don't know what that is,
745
00:33:32.890 --> 00:33:36.049
it's an alternative therapy using gentle touch to feel and
746
00:33:36.069 --> 00:33:39.390
manipulate the energy of the craniosacral fluid that flows along
747
00:33:39.410 --> 00:33:43.259
the spinal cord. Listen, I was the biggest skeptic, but
748
00:33:43.380 --> 00:33:46.420
I was desperate as I was getting zero pain relief
749
00:33:46.460 --> 00:33:49.000
from anything that I could take and still pick up
750
00:33:49.019 --> 00:33:52.460
my children from school without getting a DUI. Anyway... The
751
00:33:52.500 --> 00:33:55.279
first two sessions were uneventful, but I'd paid for three.
752
00:33:55.500 --> 00:33:58.660
There I was. About halfway through the session, the therapist
753
00:33:58.809 --> 00:34:01.569
asked me if I had anxiety, and if so, what
754
00:34:01.609 --> 00:34:04.289
part of the body did it reside? I said, yes,
755
00:34:04.809 --> 00:34:06.769
and then I felt it in my chest. I can't
756
00:34:06.789 --> 00:34:08.969
recall what she said after that, but it was something
757
00:34:08.989 --> 00:34:11.150
along the lines of, close your eyes and visualize it
758
00:34:11.170 --> 00:34:14.329
leaving your body. So I started imagining it as this black,
759
00:34:14.409 --> 00:34:18.219
sticky substance completely covering my lungs. I'm an artist, so
760
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:22.059
visualizing weird shit is my jam, but it got really weird.
761
00:34:22.570 --> 00:34:27.980
Huge golden wings started growing outward from my back. Not literally, duh,
762
00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:30.559
but all of this just was happening in my imagination
763
00:34:30.619 --> 00:34:34.559
without any intention or effort on my part. So I
764
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:41.599
grew wings and then Jesus appeared. That's right. The big J,
765
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:44.820
the man himself. And I'm not even religious, mind you.
766
00:34:45.429 --> 00:34:47.889
I kind of believe anything is possible and that we've
767
00:34:47.929 --> 00:34:50.880
never really had all the answers to the other side
768
00:34:50.900 --> 00:34:52.460
of the bill. Literally what we were just talking about.
769
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:55.679
Why not? Why not? So I just accepted everything as
770
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.900
could be the truth. Jesus proceeded to place his hands
771
00:34:59.219 --> 00:35:01.860
on my lungs, which caused all the black gunk to
772
00:35:01.909 --> 00:35:05.349
start melting. He then put his hands below my lungs
773
00:35:05.409 --> 00:35:07.949
to catch it all as it ran out. But as
774
00:35:08.030 --> 00:35:10.670
soon as it hit his hands, all of it turned
775
00:35:10.809 --> 00:35:14.150
to streams and streams of pearls that spilled and poured
776
00:35:14.210 --> 00:35:16.849
out all over the place. This is beautiful. I know.
777
00:35:17.449 --> 00:35:19.389
And then it was over. I opened my eyes. I
778
00:35:19.409 --> 00:35:23.130
looked at the therapist and said, what the fuck was that?
779
00:35:23.590 --> 00:35:25.320
And I don't remember what she said, but I left
780
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.280
that place absolutely stunned. And oddly enough, I never had
781
00:35:28.539 --> 00:35:32.480
any more trouble with TMJ pain. Whoa. I have seen
782
00:35:32.619 --> 00:35:35.000
or felt a few ghosts in my years. One time
783
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:37.699
I saw a boy from the 1800s running and skipping
784
00:35:37.739 --> 00:35:39.860
along the porch of this very old house in my town.
785
00:35:40.409 --> 00:35:42.769
I've seen a woman in a white dress and all
786
00:35:42.809 --> 00:35:45.269
kinds of shadowy movements. When I was a kid, I
787
00:35:45.309 --> 00:35:48.889
had several experiences where I felt this overwhelming evil presence
788
00:35:48.949 --> 00:35:51.360
in my house. And it was extremely dangerous and it
789
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:53.599
took the form of witches in my mind. But that's
790
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:56.719
probably because my parents watched Salem's Lot one night after
791
00:35:56.739 --> 00:35:58.590
I'd gone to bed and I could hear the terror
792
00:35:58.650 --> 00:36:01.969
from my room. But no, thank you. I've never been
793
00:36:01.989 --> 00:36:04.530
a horror flick kind of gal. And I can watch
794
00:36:04.570 --> 00:36:06.329
and I can listen to the horrors of true crime
795
00:36:06.449 --> 00:36:08.389
all day long. But do not come at me with
796
00:36:08.429 --> 00:36:12.019
demons or clowns that can control your mind. Anyway, this dark,
797
00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:15.099
heavy presence would arrive suddenly and take over my body.
798
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:17.360
I would be unable to move a single muscle.
799
00:36:17.380 --> 00:36:17.460
Shit.
800
00:36:17.769 --> 00:36:19.150
And when I tried to call out for my mom,
801
00:36:19.230 --> 00:36:22.030
I couldn't make any sound at all. Oh, so sad.
802
00:36:22.449 --> 00:36:24.980
All I could feel was white hot fear until I
803
00:36:25.019 --> 00:36:27.000
would finally be able to break the silence and call
804
00:36:27.139 --> 00:36:29.280
out for her to help me. She always told me
805
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:32.699
that I just had this overactive imagination. But why would
806
00:36:32.889 --> 00:36:36.530
I choose to imagine something like that? No, you wouldn't.
807
00:36:37.030 --> 00:36:39.289
I didn't know anything about sleep paralysis back then, but
808
00:36:39.309 --> 00:36:41.630
my experience sounds similar to other stories that I've heard
809
00:36:41.670 --> 00:36:44.719
about that. And I never saw a figure... But I
810
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:49.599
sure did feel it. That's enough. My favorite ghost experience
811
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:52.800
was one I had with my grandfather. My father's dad
812
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:55.039
was a very quiet man and he didn't really have
813
00:36:55.179 --> 00:36:57.420
much to say when the family got together. He would
814
00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.400
just sit quietly enjoying the rest of us as we
815
00:36:59.460 --> 00:37:02.119
chattered and laughed. As a result, I didn't really get
816
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:04.159
to know him that well. One fall when I was
817
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:06.559
in college, I had a long weekend break and didn't
818
00:37:06.579 --> 00:37:08.780
have any school on Monday or Tuesday. My parents had
819
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:10.500
told my grandparents that we would be over for the
820
00:37:10.539 --> 00:37:13.119
weekend to visit and Sunday morning, they got the call
821
00:37:13.139 --> 00:37:15.599
from my grandfather asking if we were still coming. I
822
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:17.780
think he had assumed that I would have to get
823
00:37:17.820 --> 00:37:20.239
back to school on Sunday, it was a three-hour drive away,
824
00:37:20.619 --> 00:37:23.199
and that we weren't visiting after all. He must have
825
00:37:23.219 --> 00:37:26.530
been very concerned because he never called. Calling was always
826
00:37:26.590 --> 00:37:28.849
up to my grandmother. I do not remember one other
827
00:37:28.889 --> 00:37:31.369
time that he's ever called our house. That night, we
828
00:37:31.389 --> 00:37:33.949
were all sitting in the living room, visiting, when he
829
00:37:33.989 --> 00:37:36.289
had to excuse himself to go to the bathroom. He
830
00:37:36.309 --> 00:37:38.570
came back shortly after, but when he sat back down
831
00:37:38.590 --> 00:37:41.090
in his chair, his eyes rolled back in his head.
832
00:37:41.510 --> 00:37:44.949
He was having a heart attack. Everyone lost their shit.
833
00:37:45.349 --> 00:37:47.690
Dad got him to the floor and started CPR, yelling
834
00:37:47.710 --> 00:37:50.409
at him to wake up. My grandmother was screaming and
835
00:37:50.449 --> 00:37:52.530
he died right there in front of us. Oh my gosh.
836
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:54.880
And I will never forget how awful it was. I'm
837
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:57.860
so sorry. I was certain he knew that his time
838
00:37:57.920 --> 00:37:59.920
was near and that he wanted to see me one
839
00:37:59.960 --> 00:38:02.519
last time. After his funeral in the coming weeks, I
840
00:38:02.539 --> 00:38:05.639
felt overwhelmed with guilt now that he was gone. I'd
841
00:38:05.739 --> 00:38:08.050
never thought to chat him up, to ask him questions
842
00:38:08.090 --> 00:38:10.190
about his life or really get to know him. And
843
00:38:10.230 --> 00:38:12.590
now he was gone. And I struggled a lot with this.
844
00:38:13.170 --> 00:38:15.789
Around Thanksgiving, I was back at home and I was
845
00:38:15.829 --> 00:38:17.469
telling my mom what a hard time I was having
846
00:38:17.530 --> 00:38:20.349
moving past that guilt. That night, I was laying in bed,
847
00:38:20.469 --> 00:38:22.730
not thinking of anything in particular, just trying to go
848
00:38:22.750 --> 00:38:25.090
to sleep. When all of a sudden, the room got
849
00:38:25.190 --> 00:38:29.150
super still and quiet. Not the usual stillness and quiet
850
00:38:29.190 --> 00:38:32.050
during sleeping hours, but like I was suddenly in a vacuum.
851
00:38:32.750 --> 00:38:35.130
And I remember looking at the ceiling fan, wondering why
852
00:38:35.230 --> 00:38:37.769
on earth I couldn't feel a breeze anymore. And then
853
00:38:37.809 --> 00:38:40.949
I smelled dirt. like a dusty kind of old dirt
854
00:38:41.010 --> 00:38:43.510
that you would find piled up on left-behind furniture in
855
00:38:43.550 --> 00:38:45.909
an abandoned house. I wasn't sure what to make of
856
00:38:45.989 --> 00:38:47.750
any of this, and I wasn't scared at all, I
857
00:38:47.769 --> 00:38:50.239
was just perplexed, so I rolled over to my side
858
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:52.199
to try to go to sleep, but there was something
859
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:54.360
there in front of me, beside my bed. And I
860
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:57.099
couldn't see any kind of form, but something was there.
861
00:38:57.539 --> 00:38:59.780
I wasn't looking at the wall beyond, but rather the
862
00:38:59.820 --> 00:39:01.820
space between me and the wall, as if there was
863
00:39:01.860 --> 00:39:04.699
some solid form that was blocking my view of anything else.
864
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.119
And I knew immediately that this was my grandfather. He'd
865
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:10.630
come to help me move on. He didn't stay long,
866
00:39:10.690 --> 00:39:13.349
but long enough for me to know that all was okay. Yeah.
867
00:39:13.550 --> 00:39:14.989
I was a bit freaked out after this, and I
868
00:39:15.030 --> 00:39:17.360
did call out for my mom. And when I explained
869
00:39:17.380 --> 00:39:19.340
to her what happened, I didn't say that I thought
870
00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:22.239
I'd been visited for fear that she wouldn't believe me.
871
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:25.000
I just explained about the air and the smell, etc.
872
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:28.039
But she asked me, Do you think it was your grandfather?
873
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:31.880
oh and i said i know it was and after
874
00:39:31.900 --> 00:39:33.800
that i was able to leave the guilt behind and
875
00:39:33.860 --> 00:39:36.139
enjoy the memory of him just as he was in
876
00:39:36.179 --> 00:39:40.159
my life that is so beautiful now for my spooky
877
00:39:40.219 --> 00:39:45.710
cat who had his own little ghost visitation Oh my God,
878
00:39:45.730 --> 00:39:46.449
I love that.
879
00:39:46.510 --> 00:39:46.750
Yeah.
880
00:39:47.010 --> 00:39:50.150
I guess that makes sense. Like cats, dogs, animals do
881
00:39:50.170 --> 00:39:52.119
see things on the other side. Yeah, they also can
882
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:54.960
have paranormal encounters. Yeah, they just often can't tell us.
883
00:39:55.739 --> 00:39:57.940
They just freak the fuck out. Yeah. We have a
884
00:39:57.940 --> 00:40:02.530
10-month-old black cat named Boo Radley, a Tequila Mockingbird reference.
885
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:06.880
We call him Boo, Pookie Boo, Pumpkin, and occasionally Turd
886
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.400
because he acts like one sometimes. I call Aya a
887
00:40:10.409 --> 00:40:13.449
little turd too. He's an indoor kitty, but we have
888
00:40:13.570 --> 00:40:16.230
a screened-in porch that he gets to go on. So sweet.
889
00:40:16.269 --> 00:40:17.630
And it's his favorite hangout.
890
00:40:18.090 --> 00:40:18.230
Aw.
891
00:40:18.610 --> 00:40:21.789
His catio. His catio! He was out there one morning
892
00:40:21.809 --> 00:40:23.949
and I was sitting just inside having my cup of
893
00:40:24.010 --> 00:40:26.190
coffee in bed and all of a sudden he approached
894
00:40:26.230 --> 00:40:28.659
the sliding glass door with his tail tucked butt low
895
00:40:28.699 --> 00:40:30.559
to the ground like a cat does when they're curious
896
00:40:30.579 --> 00:40:32.559
about something that frightens them a little bit.
897
00:40:32.730 --> 00:40:33.010
Yeah.
898
00:40:33.130 --> 00:40:35.750
I figured he was just looking at his reflection, but
899
00:40:35.829 --> 00:40:37.650
he's used to seeing that a lot in our house,
900
00:40:37.849 --> 00:40:40.210
in the glass doors, the various mirrors here and there.
901
00:40:40.230 --> 00:40:42.909
The mirrors specifically for Boo Radley. I like to think
902
00:40:42.929 --> 00:40:44.389
that there's just like little cat mirrors.
903
00:40:44.409 --> 00:40:47.159
Yeah, all set up on the ground. It's like tummy
904
00:40:47.179 --> 00:40:47.840
time for him.
905
00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:50.420
It's like when we were at Ash's house and there
906
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:51.800
were the little like water bowls.
907
00:40:51.659 --> 00:40:53.559
On the floor. Oh, I love those bowls. And your instant,
908
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:56.800
your first thought was... Oh, Noah will love these when
909
00:40:56.840 --> 00:40:57.840
he's a little bit older.
910
00:40:57.860 --> 00:40:59.900
It's like Noah's going to be drinking.
911
00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:02.400
Water out of like cat bowls. Ash had these like
912
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:04.769
cat bowls that were like little fountains. It was like
913
00:41:04.829 --> 00:41:06.909
fresh water like circulating through. And I was like, I
914
00:41:06.929 --> 00:41:09.710
should put my breast milk in that when Noah can like.
915
00:41:10.230 --> 00:41:12.969
Crawling around. When he can crawl. I was like, that
916
00:41:12.989 --> 00:41:15.409
will make it easier for me. I'll be independent. I'll
917
00:41:15.429 --> 00:41:18.480
just leave a bowl of breast milk. Noah is now
918
00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:21.000
a little cat. I mean, you do a lot of
919
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:22.340
the same things that you do for animals for babies.
920
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:26.070
That's true. Generally, he ignores his reflection, but his behavior
921
00:41:26.110 --> 00:41:28.989
was really off. He stopped about three feet from the door,
922
00:41:29.130 --> 00:41:30.929
raised his front paws up like he was trying to
923
00:41:31.050 --> 00:41:35.190
feel something in front of him, eyes remaining transfixed towards
924
00:41:35.230 --> 00:41:37.409
the door. And after a few seconds, he dropped his
925
00:41:37.449 --> 00:41:39.699
front legs down by his side, but remained upright on
926
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.860
his haunches, just staring. And this is when I started
927
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:46.360
recording him on my phone. He stood there for the long... No,
928
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:49.599
there's just a picture. He stood there for the longest
929
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:53.960
time for a cat in this trance-like state. his ears
930
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:56.880
darting around as if he was hearing the sound, but
931
00:41:56.900 --> 00:41:59.679
the sound coming from every direction. His body would twitch
932
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:01.599
every now and then like he was just a little
933
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:04.960
bit startled. And he sometimes was looking slightly left or
934
00:42:05.019 --> 00:42:09.159
right as if he could see something. But what? There
935
00:42:09.179 --> 00:42:12.059
was nothing there. Nothing was moving, not inside the house
936
00:42:12.099 --> 00:42:14.000
or out. There was no bugs, nothing unusual in the
937
00:42:14.059 --> 00:42:16.639
reflection from behind him. There was not one thing that
938
00:42:16.699 --> 00:42:19.079
I could discern or garner such a response from him.
939
00:42:19.860 --> 00:42:22.989
I can't stress enough how weird this behavior was. I've
940
00:42:23.070 --> 00:42:25.639
never seen him sit or act like this before or since.
941
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:28.000
And if he thought that he was seeing another cat,
942
00:42:28.099 --> 00:42:30.800
he would not act like this at all. Remember us
943
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:32.820
calling him a little turd? Well, that's because when he
944
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:35.679
sees other cats, he stalks them and he plays attack cat.
945
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:40.119
He's never passive. And we have two older cats and
946
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:43.860
he drives them crazy, always trying to start something. Now,
947
00:42:43.980 --> 00:42:45.739
I probably would have just chalked this up to cats
948
00:42:45.780 --> 00:42:48.440
being these delightful little weirdos that they are. But then
949
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:51.210
he started moving towards the door. He was very careful.
950
00:42:51.230 --> 00:42:53.989
He was moving super slow, pausing every few inches to
951
00:42:54.070 --> 00:42:57.530
survey what might be ahead. He peeked inside, looked around,
952
00:42:57.550 --> 00:43:00.670
took a few tentative steps forward, saw me, and then
953
00:43:00.789 --> 00:43:03.289
darted under the bed to hide, where he stayed for
954
00:43:03.309 --> 00:43:07.840
the next several hours. Oh my gosh. The porch behavior
955
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:10.539
was certainly weird, but hiding under the bed is not
956
00:43:10.579 --> 00:43:14.820
his personality at all, especially for that long. Something had
957
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:17.619
spooked him enough that he was not taking any chances.
958
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:20.980
I'm convinced he had some sort of paranormal experience. His
959
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:23.239
eyes stayed level with his own. So I'm guessing he
960
00:43:23.260 --> 00:43:25.679
was seeing maybe a ghost kitty. We did lose our
961
00:43:25.699 --> 00:43:28.050
beloved cat Peanut last year and she was 20 years
962
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:32.090
old and an absolute queen of our household. She never
963
00:43:32.230 --> 00:43:35.070
was particularly friendly with other cats. So maybe she just
964
00:43:35.110 --> 00:43:36.929
stopped by to let him know that this was still
965
00:43:37.349 --> 00:43:40.690
her house. Okay. I'm not sure. I have to say
966
00:43:40.710 --> 00:43:43.730
that Peanut put Boo in his place and he's been
967
00:43:43.769 --> 00:43:47.329
an angel ever since. But alas, he is still a turd.
968
00:43:47.929 --> 00:43:51.909
See you and all the fur babes on the other side, Jennifer. Interesting.
969
00:43:52.210 --> 00:43:54.900
Very interesting. That's a lot to unpack.
970
00:43:54.980 --> 00:43:55.219
Yeah.
971
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:57.980
I mean, Jennifer is experiencing a ton, just like a
972
00:43:58.099 --> 00:44:05.329
lifetime of paranormal experiences, intuition, psychic abilities, basically. experiencing and
973
00:44:05.409 --> 00:44:08.349
witnessing the death of a loved one. I'm so sorry.
974
00:44:08.389 --> 00:44:09.170
That's so hard.
975
00:44:09.250 --> 00:44:12.190
But I do love that her grandfather did come to
976
00:44:12.210 --> 00:44:15.760
like give a final goodbye and help ease any sadness
977
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:19.639
and pain that Jennifer was experiencing. The moment that Jennifer
978
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:22.360
explained like the Jesus giving her wings and like the
979
00:44:22.619 --> 00:44:25.199
melting away that black tar and turning it into pearls.
980
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:30.489
reminds me so much of somatic therapy mixed with EMDR work.
981
00:44:31.050 --> 00:44:31.190
Oh.
982
00:44:31.630 --> 00:44:33.869
Which is, again, we've talked about this, how like therapy
983
00:44:33.949 --> 00:44:37.570
and magic and witchcraft all to me seem so intertwined.
984
00:44:37.710 --> 00:44:37.989
Yeah.
985
00:44:38.130 --> 00:44:41.340
Like shadow work is literally a combination of therapy and.
986
00:44:41.510 --> 00:44:45.099
Right. Yeah. Energy work and all that. It is magic.
987
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:46.940
And it also makes me wonder, like, I know we
988
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:48.699
won't ever have the answers, but how much of it
989
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:52.349
is our brain fixing itself? And how much of it
990
00:44:52.550 --> 00:44:56.900
is just like actual energy and like taking from things
991
00:44:56.960 --> 00:45:00.179
around us. It's also, you know, it creeps me out
992
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:04.130
and I don't understand how atoms like we're like, how
993
00:45:04.150 --> 00:45:04.750
do we exist?
994
00:45:05.579 --> 00:45:05.820
I know.
995
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:09.360
Because like the atoms don't touch each other. They're just like,
996
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:11.760
how do we stay solid and not just like fully
997
00:45:11.780 --> 00:45:14.800
evaporate and just like crazy. How does that happen? And
998
00:45:14.820 --> 00:45:16.300
then how do we like make wallpaper?
999
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:20.099
We've had this conversation. How do you make any, anything?
1000
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:22.239
Like how do you make metal? How do you make?
1001
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:24.679
It doesn't make sense. Yeah.
1002
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:26.920
And like people can be like, oh, here are the
1003
00:45:26.980 --> 00:45:29.550
processes to make it. But like when you go down
1004
00:45:29.619 --> 00:45:33.449
to how do atoms stay together? It makes no sense. No,
1005
00:45:33.489 --> 00:45:37.340
it does not. But I do have one last story.
1006
00:45:37.380 --> 00:45:39.800
And this is a great me being grateful for someone
1007
00:45:39.860 --> 00:45:42.019
sending me or us a story that.
1008
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:42.820
Sending me a story.
1009
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:44.389
Sending me a story.
1010
00:45:44.590 --> 00:45:48.469
Because this is from our listener, Amanda. And it is called,
1011
00:45:48.829 --> 00:45:50.610
do ghosts watch you having sex?
1012
00:45:51.889 --> 00:45:53.570
Thank you. Okay. This was sent for Sabrina.
1013
00:45:53.590 --> 00:45:53.750
Yeah.
1014
00:45:53.789 --> 00:45:56.960
Past lives and astral projection. And then just straight into it.
1015
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.010
But seriously, it's a huge concern of mine. My mom
1016
00:46:00.050 --> 00:46:02.619
recently passed away and I'm constantly looking for signs of
1017
00:46:02.659 --> 00:46:05.559
her presence, hoping any little sound is her. And as
1018
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:07.590
much as we all believe ghosts are around us and
1019
00:46:07.619 --> 00:46:10.030
some of us are hoping they're around us, has anyone
1020
00:46:10.050 --> 00:46:12.969
else been disturbed that their ghostly loved one, like their mom,
1021
00:46:13.030 --> 00:46:15.019
is also there while you're having sex?
1022
00:46:15.340 --> 00:46:17.539
This is... It reminded me of, we might have it
1023
00:46:17.579 --> 00:46:19.019
on the bookshelf at this point. I kissed a ghost
1024
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:22.369
and I liked it. Well, Conchita Bertoldi's other book where
1025
00:46:22.389 --> 00:46:25.369
it's like, do ghosts watch you shower or something like that?
1026
00:46:25.809 --> 00:46:26.190
Oh, yes.
1027
00:46:26.610 --> 00:46:28.989
Yeah. Yes. Or do dead people. I don't know what
1028
00:46:29.010 --> 00:46:31.219
it is, but Conchita Bertoldi. She's done multiple books.
1029
00:46:31.619 --> 00:46:33.559
Seriously, though, I knew this group would feel me on
1030
00:46:33.579 --> 00:46:37.239
that huge concern of mine. Oh, like for sure, ghosts
1031
00:46:37.260 --> 00:46:38.179
are watching you have sex.
1032
00:46:38.539 --> 00:46:40.190
I think about it a lot. Every time you hear
1033
00:46:40.210 --> 00:46:41.949
like a little creak or a pop, you're like, who
1034
00:46:42.010 --> 00:46:42.250
is that?
1035
00:46:42.489 --> 00:46:42.730
Yeah.
1036
00:46:42.909 --> 00:46:44.199
I don't think about it when I'm having sex. I
1037
00:46:44.260 --> 00:46:46.059
think about it when I'm pooping.
1038
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:49.239
I think about it pretty much all the time. Like
1039
00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:53.219
if I'm in the shower, sometimes when the thought crosses
1040
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:55.780
my mind and I am like in the shower, I'll go, ooh.
1041
00:46:57.099 --> 00:46:59.199
Just a random little shimmy. Put a little show on.
1042
00:46:59.219 --> 00:47:04.010
You're going to get a reputation in the actual ghostly world.
1043
00:47:04.030 --> 00:47:05.590
They're going to be like, so I was just popping in,
1044
00:47:06.070 --> 00:47:09.269
cruising by, and then this random naked lady just shimmies
1045
00:47:09.309 --> 00:47:10.980
every once in a while. You've got to come see it.
1046
00:47:10.989 --> 00:47:13.679
You've got to come see her tits. Weirdest thing, this
1047
00:47:13.860 --> 00:47:18.500
one human, she showers and shimmies. Maybe that's how you'll
1048
00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:20.280
get abducted. The aliens will hear about it and be like,
1049
00:47:20.420 --> 00:47:21.719
that's a curious one. Listen, I do that all the
1050
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:24.219
time for the aliens, too. Keep doing it. I'm going
1051
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:26.800
to go out in the woods and just be like, aliens!
1052
00:47:26.820 --> 00:47:28.559
You're going to make it into the Marblehead newspaper again,
1053
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:29.619
but for a different reason.
1054
00:47:30.099 --> 00:47:33.340
Okay, well, if we go over to, what's the place
1055
00:47:33.389 --> 00:47:36.949
in New Hampshire? The mountains where Betty and Barney Hill
1056
00:47:36.989 --> 00:47:37.510
were abducted?
1057
00:47:37.530 --> 00:47:40.150
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the White Mountains. The White Mountains.
1058
00:47:40.170 --> 00:47:40.949
Yeah, yeah.
1059
00:47:41.309 --> 00:47:44.010
I will shimmy my tits there for the aliens. Okay.
1060
00:47:44.309 --> 00:47:44.750
Catch you there.
1061
00:47:44.969 --> 00:47:47.110
Anyway, I'm actually emailing you guys to tell you of
1062
00:47:47.190 --> 00:47:50.050
my coworker's story about how she hypnotized herself and saw
1063
00:47:50.090 --> 00:47:53.320
her past lives, along with how she died and chose
1064
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:56.989
another dimensional version of herself to jump into. No way.
1065
00:47:57.219 --> 00:47:58.380
Everything, everywhere, all at once.
1066
00:47:58.719 --> 00:47:59.059
Crazy.
1067
00:47:59.260 --> 00:47:59.500
I know.
1068
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:02.079
So I have to say, she does compliment us. Oh,
1069
00:48:02.380 --> 00:48:02.699
thank you.
1070
00:48:02.940 --> 00:48:05.219
Before your lovely podcast, which I am obsessed with, by
1071
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:08.300
the way, and have been since 2019, I never believed
1072
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:11.840
in reincarnation, past lives, or other dimensions. It all sounded
1073
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:14.130
really crazy to me. But you guys have opened up
1074
00:48:14.170 --> 00:48:16.769
my eyes to how amazing people and this world can
1075
00:48:16.809 --> 00:48:20.050
be more than we can see. So my coworker, let's
1076
00:48:20.070 --> 00:48:22.550
call her G, is a very spiritual person who is
1077
00:48:22.630 --> 00:48:26.949
very into feeling people's auras, hypnotizing, reading people's cards, etc.
1078
00:48:26.969 --> 00:48:29.730
And the other day I heard her chit-chatting about how
1079
00:48:29.829 --> 00:48:33.190
she thought a kid had been hypnotized into a previous life.
1080
00:48:33.929 --> 00:48:36.170
The second I heard her say this, I pull her
1081
00:48:36.190 --> 00:48:37.260
aside to talk to her.
1082
00:48:37.659 --> 00:48:39.929
So these are her stories. So this was like a
1083
00:48:39.949 --> 00:48:41.820
past life regression sort of thing. I think so. Yeah.
1084
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:41.920
Yeah.
1085
00:48:42.460 --> 00:48:45.059
This is like a quote from G. I had this
1086
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:47.500
intense fear of dogs. I had no rhyme or reason
1087
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:50.650
for that fear, but it would just consume me. So
1088
00:48:50.710 --> 00:48:53.829
I decided to hypnotize myself. Next thing I knew, I
1089
00:48:53.909 --> 00:48:57.070
was a young child, probably around six, and I was
1090
00:48:57.150 --> 00:48:59.889
foraging for some food when out of nowhere, some kind
1091
00:48:59.929 --> 00:49:03.179
of prehistoric animal, like a big dog, but the size
1092
00:49:03.219 --> 00:49:05.559
of a lion with a gigantic horn on its head,
1093
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:09.619
charged me and impaled me in the stomach, destroying a
1094
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:12.539
vital organ, which resulted in my death. The next time
1095
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.400
I hypnotized myself was because I hate to cook, like
1096
00:49:15.619 --> 00:49:17.530
absolutely hate it. I just knew there had to be
1097
00:49:17.550 --> 00:49:20.460
a reason behind it. So I hypnotized myself again. and
1098
00:49:20.699 --> 00:49:22.880
I was back in the colonial days. I was a
1099
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.760
young girl and I had a pet goat. We were poor,
1100
00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:28.139
no money for food, and we were starving. So my
1101
00:49:28.179 --> 00:49:32.070
parents decided to slaughter my pet goat and forced me
1102
00:49:32.110 --> 00:49:33.530
to help cook the goat for dinner.
1103
00:49:34.409 --> 00:49:36.190
No wonder why I hate to cook.
1104
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.579
G's last story has to do with an experience with
1105
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:40.800
another dimension.
1106
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:42.420
So G had to get surgery.
1107
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.019
And this surgery felt after her as if she had
1108
00:49:45.059 --> 00:49:48.920
a piece about her life and it was complete. And
1109
00:49:48.980 --> 00:49:51.300
in this surgery, the doctors had done something wrong and
1110
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:54.449
it ended up killing her. At this time, her soul
1111
00:49:54.510 --> 00:49:57.590
left her body. She astral projected and was able to
1112
00:49:57.650 --> 00:50:00.110
see herself below. In front of her astral self were
1113
00:50:00.130 --> 00:50:03.690
all these geometrical shapes. She explained having the feeling like
1114
00:50:03.710 --> 00:50:06.300
there were different versions of her life in other dimensions.
1115
00:50:06.780 --> 00:50:08.960
So she grabbed one and it brought her back to
1116
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:12.559
her body, back to a surgery, back to life. But
1117
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:15.179
she had no mental connection to anything or anyone that
1118
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:17.800
was previously in her life. Even with her two kids,
1119
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:20.460
she couldn't remember her feelings of them being born or
1120
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:22.699
when they were little and they were opposite of what
1121
00:50:22.739 --> 00:50:25.940
she remembered them as. Her daughter acted like her son
1122
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:28.639
and her son acted like her daughter from this life
1123
00:50:28.699 --> 00:50:31.710
where she had died in surgery. She feels as if
1124
00:50:31.829 --> 00:50:34.050
grabbing one of those shapes allowed her to use one
1125
00:50:34.070 --> 00:50:36.719
of her other lives, but it pulled her into her
1126
00:50:37.099 --> 00:50:39.860
current life, the one where I know her, and the
1127
00:50:39.940 --> 00:50:43.469
emotional aspect stayed the same of the person that she
1128
00:50:43.610 --> 00:50:44.090
took over.
1129
00:50:44.349 --> 00:50:46.650
This is so wild. And it reminds me so much
1130
00:50:46.670 --> 00:50:49.030
of the stories that people share. Like I've seen some
1131
00:50:49.070 --> 00:50:51.289
on like TikTok and Reddit and stuff where people are like,
1132
00:50:51.610 --> 00:50:53.750
where they wake up from like a dream that feels
1133
00:50:53.789 --> 00:50:56.260
like they lived a lifetime. And in this life, they
1134
00:50:56.300 --> 00:50:58.860
don't have a child or something. Things are different or
1135
00:50:58.940 --> 00:50:59.679
slightly off.
1136
00:50:59.900 --> 00:51:00.179
Yeah.
1137
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:02.079
Things are slightly off or it's like they had like
1138
00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:05.360
a relationship or like a certain job or like a
1139
00:51:05.420 --> 00:51:07.239
kid and they have to grieve that. It just like
1140
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:09.019
doesn't exist in the current life that they have.
1141
00:51:09.260 --> 00:51:11.750
It makes me think also, We read a story of
1142
00:51:11.809 --> 00:51:14.949
someone who like doesn't connect with their family and has
1143
00:51:14.969 --> 00:51:16.920
like different memories than all of their family members.
1144
00:51:16.940 --> 00:51:18.619
We read this like not too long ago. Do you
1145
00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:22.760
remember that one? Not really. Because you read it. It's
1146
00:51:22.780 --> 00:51:24.820
funny because I feel like we remember better like what
1147
00:51:24.860 --> 00:51:27.019
we hear from the other person versus what we're just
1148
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:29.289
like saying. So our listening retention is better than our
1149
00:51:29.309 --> 00:51:31.630
reading retention? I guess so. But it's reminding me of
1150
00:51:31.929 --> 00:51:35.050
an email that we've read years ago about that girl
1151
00:51:35.230 --> 00:51:40.340
who graduated from two different colleges. But like only graduated
1152
00:51:40.380 --> 00:51:43.280
from one, but has like, wait, did we read this
1153
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:45.170
or did I see this online? I don't know. Wait,
1154
00:51:45.210 --> 00:51:48.809
maybe this was on TikTok. We have no retention. But
1155
00:51:48.829 --> 00:51:50.570
there was a girl who it was like kind of
1156
00:51:50.610 --> 00:51:52.590
like a glitch in the matrix situation where like she
1157
00:51:52.659 --> 00:51:55.639
remembers graduating from this one specific college and has photos
1158
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:59.159
of her graduation from this college, but simultaneously in a scrapbook.
1159
00:51:59.550 --> 00:52:02.139
There are photos of her graduating from a completely other
1160
00:52:02.179 --> 00:52:05.199
college that she never, like, recalls going to. But, like,
1161
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:09.159
it exists. Like, both. Proof of both. They both exist? Exist.
1162
00:52:09.420 --> 00:52:12.519
Which one's real? Good question. That is her question too.
1163
00:52:12.539 --> 00:52:13.510
Which school has the record?
1164
00:52:14.070 --> 00:52:17.340
But that's also like a weird glitch in a glitch. Like,
1165
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:18.719
that's a bug in the programming.
1166
00:52:18.820 --> 00:52:19.000
Yeah.
1167
00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:20.519
Anyway. Fix it, you guys.
1168
00:52:20.980 --> 00:52:23.989
Amanda said, I was blown away by G's stories. And
1169
00:52:24.050 --> 00:52:26.030
being in a world where people still don't believe in ghosts,
1170
00:52:26.150 --> 00:52:28.010
I knew you guys would be the only other people
1171
00:52:28.070 --> 00:52:30.269
who would be excited to hear stories of past lives
1172
00:52:30.670 --> 00:52:33.239
and starting new lives. Hope this was as mind-blowing to
1173
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:34.239
you as it was to me.
1174
00:52:34.500 --> 00:52:34.780
It was.
1175
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:37.320
See you on the other side, but hopefully see you
1176
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:38.380
on this side, Amanda.
1177
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:38.980
Wow.
1178
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:41.739
Those are wild. And it's, I mean, again, like, many lives,
1179
00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:44.019
many masters. Brian Weiss, we have it right up there.
1180
00:52:44.179 --> 00:52:44.420
Right.
1181
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:48.610
The past life regression and connecting phobias to what happened
1182
00:52:48.630 --> 00:52:50.670
to you in a past life. The being attacked by
1183
00:52:50.710 --> 00:52:54.150
that horned animal is really scary. It feels very prehistoric.
1184
00:52:54.289 --> 00:52:56.869
It does. That's why I was like, what is this animal?
1185
00:52:57.070 --> 00:53:01.590
My biggest question about this, like, glitching into another version
1186
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:06.159
of yourself story is what happened to that one version
1187
00:53:06.179 --> 00:53:09.579
that one iteration where did they go yeah exactly which
1188
00:53:09.820 --> 00:53:14.139
version of yourself had to die because you can't all
1189
00:53:14.219 --> 00:53:17.809
that person's right soul or is this kind of like
1190
00:53:17.849 --> 00:53:19.829
what we had talked about before where like every human
1191
00:53:19.869 --> 00:53:22.429
is all connected to the same consciousness and we're just
1192
00:53:22.510 --> 00:53:26.510
fragments chipped off For this, like, one celestial being to
1193
00:53:26.570 --> 00:53:28.510
experience life in many different forms.
1194
00:53:28.969 --> 00:53:30.909
And it's just absorbed into the next one. So, like,
1195
00:53:30.949 --> 00:53:34.639
maybe when she jumps, like, it's just, like, two pieces. Like, splitting?
1196
00:53:34.900 --> 00:53:37.679
Almost coming together. So, like, she died there. And that
1197
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:40.039
part of her joined another part of her that already exists.
1198
00:53:40.219 --> 00:53:42.659
So, it's like... But she has, like, no connection. And, like,
1199
00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:46.699
it's weird what part of consciousness is hers and what
1200
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:49.099
part is the other version of hers. This is why
1201
00:53:49.139 --> 00:53:52.510
it's confusing and complicated. And, again, we know nothing.
1202
00:53:53.050 --> 00:53:57.260
But... Why not? Why not? Why not question? Why not ask?
1203
00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:59.869
Why not believe? Why not email us your ghost stories
1204
00:53:59.929 --> 00:54:05.510
at 2girls1ghostpodcast. gmail. com?
1205
00:54:02.230 --> 00:54:04.409
And why not ask all your friends and family and
1206
00:54:04.469 --> 00:54:07.750
strangers and mailmen and milkmen, if those still.
1207
00:54:07.570 --> 00:54:09.949
Exist in your timeline, their ghost stories.
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Yeah.
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And email them to us.
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Join our Patreon if you want to get bonus content,
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full-length episodes, episodes ad-free and one week early, campfire stories,
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book club, all the good things. All the fun. Yeah.
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Thank you so much to our editor, Jamie Ryan, for
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editing and producing our podcast.
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And thank you to all of you. We love you
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so much. And we will see you on the other side.