Remembering PAC : The Man Gravity Forgot - Episode 250

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Football Sundays, it comes in handy.
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Is that why we're recording this so late? Because of
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Football Sundays?
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No, I had a fantasy team to watch.
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Had a fantasy team to watch. How is that going
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for you?
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One and two in both weeks. I'm all right.
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All right. All right. Well, I guess it's only been
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like two weeks, right?
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Yeah, we're week three. I had a slow start, but
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it's all right. I don't mind.
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I guess initially what the plan was, and we meant
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to like, I meant to come over for like two days,
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but we meant to record. I think it wasn't, I
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was like, it was Friday, but we didn't have time
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to record. But then we decided, you know what? It's
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probably better we record on Sunday anyways, because it'll be
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after all out and we'll review all out. but obviously
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today we got some tragic news. The passing, shockingly, like
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out of nowhere, the passing of Pac, a.k.a. Adrian Neville Pac,
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whatever you want to call him. He just wrestled yesterday
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on All Out. So I think, I don't know, I
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think to scrap the All Out review, we'll talk a
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little bit about Pac. Overall, the All Out was a
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good show. There was nothing, you know, I wouldn't say
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it was one of the better previews of the year,
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but it was a solid show. The TLC matches were fun.
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There was other matches that were great. But I don't know.
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It just feels weird to try to review all out
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when we get news like we just got. And it's
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crazy because Pac wrestled. He opened the show yesterday facing
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off against Andrade. He came out at the end of
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the night helping out Jon Moxley against United Empire. And
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then less than, like, not even, like, maybe 24 hours
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later because the show ended late, like, We find out
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he passed away. Pac, I don't know about you, but
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I'm not even saying this. If you followed my page
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for a very long time, you guys know I was
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an Adrian Neva Pac fan, especially I think my peak
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Pac fandom was early AEW when he came in there
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as a bastard and he was cutting those vignettes and
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he beat Kenny Omega. I think it was the first
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All Out, if I'm correct. Maybe it wasn't the first
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All Out, but it was a fighter fest or one
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of those events. He beat Kenny Omega there. And I'm like, wow,
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this guy has the potential of being like a future
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AEW world champion. Obviously, Tony kept signing more people and
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that wasn't the case. But what are your thoughts on Pac?
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I mean, my memories of him obviously started at WWE, right?
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And I know people got upset at me because I
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ranked his finisher, I think like fourth or fifth in
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the blind rankings. But the first time I saw his finisher,
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I was just like blown away. and just the sheer
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size of this guy and how athletic he was. And
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he was gifted in the ring. He definitely was. And it's,
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it's weird now because I'm going to go back and
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rewatch the last match knowing shit that that was his
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last match. It's just kind of weird to think about that.
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That was the last time, like, you know, and you
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and I were texting throughout the match. You're like, yeah,
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whatever we're watching wrestling and just shooting the shit. And
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then not knowing that, Hey, that was his last match.
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It just feels a little weird knowing like he seemed healthy.
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He seemed, He seemed good.
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Truly physically gifted. Extremely talented. He's kind of in that position.
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I was saying this to someone I was talking to earlier.
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The thing about Pac, he's one of those guys that
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he was so good. He's like an AJ Styles. You
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know the guy's so good. You know he's not going
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to have a bad match.
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No i don't remember any bad matches of parker so
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so so sometimes you take him for granted because of
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that you know what i mean like because you know
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he's not gonna have a bad match like you take
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him for granted because of that um he was just
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so smooth in the ring um looking at all.
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The the tweets and the instagram posts that people are
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making about him like his colleagues his co-workers like he
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was universally beloved um it's it's insane like you know
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like someone passes away and they get their flowers and
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everybody says a lot of great things about them. That's
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just kind of the, the way it works. But it's like,
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I like, I, even me, I don't, I've never, I
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don't know him. Right. Like, I don't know Park personally,
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this and that, but as a fan that like, you know,
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was listening to all the podcasts, reading all the books
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and stuff like there isn't really anyone that's ever said
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anything bad about him. Like he actually is one of
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those guys who would seem like everything I've heard about
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him was him helping other people. Like I read the
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young bucks book and they talk about how he helped
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them get to Japan and, I listened to someone's interview
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recently and they talked about Pac and they said the
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same thing. He was one of the reasons I got
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to Japan. He was our gateway to get to Japan
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because he was working in Dragon Gate. He just seemed
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like a more private, low-key, loved to wrestle, had his friends,
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and just kind of not problematic at all. There was
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no Pac drama ever. There was no Neville drama. The
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biggest drama you probably heard about Neville was that he
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did stand 10 toes down to fight against, you know,
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the corporate world of trying to get the best for
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the cruiserweight division and trying to get the best for
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205 live back in those days. Like, um, some of
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those very passionate about wrestling and want it to be
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taken seriously. Uh, it's crazy because like I said, like
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there was a point when he first came as the
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bastard and AW and I really was a fan. I'm like,
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this guy's like, I just, AW is full of wrestlers.
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And he had a character at that point that was
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very like distinct and like badass. I'm like, Oh, I
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can see this guy. you know, we always talk about
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the time, like AW, like you can be smaller and
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be a top guy, which might not have been the
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case in WWE.
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It looked great on AW.
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Yeah, for sure. Yeah. But let's talk about it because
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obviously first he came in as the man that gravity forgot,
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which I tell this day, I think is a great
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little moniker nickname, the man gravity forgot because the way
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he moved, it really felt like he was a man
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gravity forgot. Um, obviously he was one of the early
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NXT world champions. Um, he had bangers with, uh, you know,
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Tyson kid and Sammy Zane and, all those guys during
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that era of NXT, he was, you know, main eventing,
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like the first takeovers, like the original first takeovers was
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Adrian Neville in NXT. You know, we already, you know,
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we heard the rumors back in the day about like
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Vince McMahon looked at him like he was mighty mouse.
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Like we're going to put a cape on him and
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do that stuff, which they did when he came to
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the main roster, putting a cape on him and making
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him like this mighty mouse character. And, you know, he
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was involved with Stardust and Stephen Amell and stuff like that. Like,
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He was always someone that, once again, in the land
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of giants at WWE, he seemed like a smaller guy,
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but he could go and you could see him maybe
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potentially becoming a future Intercontinental Champion, US Champion. And he
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never reached the level he did in NXT as the
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NXT World Champion on the main roster. But when they
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brought back the Cruzoid division and it was 205 Live
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and he became the king of the Cruzoids, And it
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was like almost like, I want to say the first,
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because from that point when he was in NXT up
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until the King of the Cruiserweights, like he was mainly
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a good guy. Like he was a baby face. So like,
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I don't know, like I think Pac being a bastard
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and being an asshole just played off better Neville. So
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when he was the King of the Cruiserweights and he
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turned heel and he was like leading the division, like
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a lot of people that were on that roster, Mustafa Ali,
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Lince Dorado, a bunch of them were talking about how like, no,
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like he fought for this Cruiserweight division. Like he wanted
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this to be, taken seriously and he was someone that
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was very passionate about it um i remember he had
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a banger with austin aries uh like it was on
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the wrestlemania pre-show for wrestlemania 33 or something i used
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to be so upset i'm like honestly i was like
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you know think about wrestling 33 i was filled with
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great moments right like you had the hardys return and
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john cena proposed to nicky and we thought the undertaker
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retired and um but to everybody that just watched the
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show they'll probably be like oh the best match was
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shane mcmahon versus aj styles that opened the show because
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it was such a good match compared to all the
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rest of the matches on the card, which was mainly
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known for, like, the moments. And I was always like,
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that pre-show match between Aries and Neville, like, should have
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been on the main card, because that would have been
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the best wrestling match of the show.
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I remember that. I remember that match. And he, you're right,
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when he was in the Cruiserweight, I guess, division there,
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he felt like the original Tribal Chief, because he was
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going through that division, and no one stood a chance,
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and it was really hard to believe, like, Who was
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going to take this guy down? Because he was just
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that damn good. He had the look. He had the demeanor.
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Just the way he was carrying himself. But, again, I
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was always a fan. Like you said, there's never a
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point where I really ever– that I can think of.
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I mean, maybe if we go back and really search deep,
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but like I ever made fun of his match or
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I said, oh, it's just Pac, who cares? Like, you know,
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I don't think anything ever, anything disrespectful was ever said
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during his matches or just about him.
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Yeah, no, he was someone that, once again, if he
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was wrestling, you knew you were going to get a
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good match. And you honestly can't say that about everyone. Sometimes, like,
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you know, there's some wrestlers, I won't say names, but
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I'm just like, oh, I know I'm going to get
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a good match, but it's going to be a marathon.
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It's going to be, like, 40 minutes. Even if they're
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great wrestlers, like, Pac just had good matches. They weren't 30,
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40-minute matches. Even if they were, it was rare. It
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wasn't a normal occasion. And they were really good. I
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also just, like, really remember, tell me if you remember this.
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Seth Rollins did a world title open challenge and never
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answered it. And it looked like Neville almost won. Do
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you remember that? And it was like a viral thing
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that was going all over the internet because they thought
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it was a three count and it looked like he
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won the world title.
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Was that on Raw?
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It was on Raw. Yeah, yeah.
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I remember that coming up.
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Yeah, yeah. And like that's another moment that really stood
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out to me when I was younger because once again,
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as someone that was a fan of his, I'm like, oh,
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they might actually pull the trigger on him, which is
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crazy because now you look at the landscape and yeah,
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it took 10, 15 years, but you see guys like
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Sami Zayn winning the world title. You saw guys like
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Brian and stuff winning the world title. So it's like,
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There might have been potential there, but it just never
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happened in the WWE. And I really thought AEW was
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the perfect fit for him. And he was putting on
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banger after banger after banger. And it's just really sad
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to know that he was 40 years old and he
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passed away. Obviously, there's no details yet of how or why.
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He just wrestled yesterday. He interfered in the main event.
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A friend of mine said he was just talking to
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him yesterday at 1 a.m. Lance Archer said they just
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kind of found him tonight on a post-match promo that
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he did. Because a lot of these guys, they're doing
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indie books now. Vance Arjo's on indie, and he cut
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a promo after his match about Pac. Marina Shafir just
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wrestled at Warrior Wrestling in Chicago. And after the match,
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he cut a promo talking about Pac, a very emotional promo,
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talking about, like, I was just hugging him yesterday. Like,
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this is insane.
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And, like, Claudio Moxley. You know, they came up together, too,
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and it's going to be weird for these guys, right?
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It's going to be weird seeing the death riders without him.
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Because honestly, there was a gap where it looked like
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they didn't really know what to do with him. He
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was in the Death Triangle with the Lucha Brothers for
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a minute there, and they were one of the trio's titles.
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That was an awful tag team, man.
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That was really cool.
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That was definitely really cool.
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Yeah, the Lucha Brothers and Pac, they were called the
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Death Triangle. They were every bangers against the Bucks and
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Omega and the other trios. And then he was kind
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of in limbo for a bit after that. He won
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the All-Atlantic title and all that stuff, had a great reign,
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and then kind of found himself again with the Death Riders. Um,
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and like him, Mox, and it happened after they broke
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up to obviously the Blackpool Combat Club. Moxie guys turned
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on Brian. Pac joined them for the beatdown. You're like, wait,
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he's joining them now too. This new group, like this
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is what's happening here. And like him, Claudio and Mox
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were like the three vets. And then you had like
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the younger guys with Wheeler and Garcia. And then obviously
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Marina being like their female enforcer. But like, um, it
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was just a cool fit. And like, it's crazy because
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in the past few weeks we've been seeing Pac kind
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of have like animosity towards Moxley and it would look
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like we're building to something where like maybe they're like
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I don't know man Moxley like even last night like
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if we're going to talk about all out for a
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second um there was at the end of the match
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between Osprey and and Moxley there was a point where
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Moxley sat up but he kind of smiled kind of
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like accepting his destiny that he was going to get
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hit with a hidden blade and lose which as a
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fan I'm like it just kind of looks like you
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threw the match kind of looks like you kind of
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looks like you said you know what i'm gonna lose
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let him get let him have it and like then
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you put the title on each other so i'm like
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oh like literally like it's so crazy because i was
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on the phone with someone when we found out the
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news and literally we were talking about the show last
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night and i was like you know i mean i
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mean what they could do now is like slowly build
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up to like these guys getting mad at him, being like, yo, like,
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you're way too nice to Will. Like, you gave him
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the match when you could have beat him. Like, you smiled. Like,
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you knew what was happening. Like, I'm like, oh, they
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can build this in the coming weeks. I'm like, but
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then I was like, I don't know if AEW's that creative.
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Next thing you know, we're just going to get an
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eight-man tag next week and never talk about it again.
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But I was like, that'd be sick if they, like,
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slowly have dissension because they're like, we don't trust Mox
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anymore as a leader because he has this infatuation with
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Ospreay where he just wants to, like, have him win. Like,
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you know? And literally on that same phone call, I
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found out, like, yo, pock passed away and i'm like
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what like what the hell like then i was so
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confused i'm like are you saying pat they're like no
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pock and like i think i heard pock but like
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subconsciously i just didn't think that would be true like
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that's weird like i want to be pock you're saying
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pat i'm like who like pat buck like i'm like
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better not be like pat mcafee i'm like who are
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you talking about like and she's like no pock and
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i was like oh shit and then like just went
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down a rabbit hole on twitter you know looking at
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everybody's responses and like and even the person was on
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the phone with so the same thing like oh he
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was always so nice like He would always give me advice.
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He was super cool, yada, yada, yada. And then I
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read the tweets from younger stars like Nick Wayne and
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Casey Navarro, and they're all sharing these stories about, no,
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he was so nice to us. Nick Wayne's like, I
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went to him and said, you're one of my favorite wrestlers.
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I hope I can be like you. The rest will
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be like you one day, and Pac responding to me like, no,
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one day you're going to be better than me. Or
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Casey Navarro was talking about how when he did extra
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work in 2021 for AEW Dark, And he saw Pac
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at his gate at the airport. And Pac was all, like,
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he was, like, inside. I was, like, marking out. But, like,
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you know, we've been in this situation where we see
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a wrestler in an inconvenient place. And we're kind of
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marking out. But, like, we don't want to bother them. Like, that's, like,
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we know as older fans, like, we're not little kids.
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We can't run up to a wrestler in the airport
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or something. So he's, like, I don't want to bother him. He's, like,
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I was marking out inside. Like, I don't want to
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bother him. And then he's, like, well, then he waved
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me down. And he told me to come sit next
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to him at the gate. And then he's, like, he
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started asking me about myself, this and that. And it
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just shows his character. Cause you know what I mean?
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Like there's a lot of crazy wrestling stories I've heard
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in the past 10, 11 years of the wrestling classic,
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like behind the scenes stuff, stories about people's crazy lives
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and cheating and bad things they've done and drugs. And
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I've never really heard a bad thing about Pac. So
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it's like, it's insane. And then also it being like
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two weeks after the butcher, Andy Williams passed away, And
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I remember when we found out that news, I believe
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we were like sitting at red Robbins when we found
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out he went to the hospital. And, uh, and, and
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when Andy passed away and the thing I learned about Andy,
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the butcher, and I'm, I'm a fan of, you know,
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I was a fan of the butcher and the blade.
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I liked the little lunch thing he used to do.
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And I, I thought they were a pretty bad-ass tag
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team at the beginning of AW and, um, is how
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close everybody was with the butcher. Like I, that didn't
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resonate with me on screen from what I saw, but like,
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after he passed away, we, we saw like Malachi speak
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very highly of him. Cause I didn't realize like, obviously
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the butcher was a musician before he was a wrestler.
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And a lot of these fans, a lot of the
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wrestlers were fans afterwards too. Yeah.
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So I'm a good buddy. And he was telling me,
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he's like, Hey, I actually listened to music before I
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started following him as a wrestler. He's like, his music
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got me through high school. I was like, Oh shit.
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I didn't, I was not aware of that.
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Yeah. He was in a band. Um, And, uh, and,
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and a lot of these, a lot of the wrestlers
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and like the ones that you would assume would listen
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to that kind of music. We're all like, no, we like,
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we knew him from before. And like, I, we remember
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when the band broke up and he decided he wanted
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to give a wrestling a shot and he came in
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here and he, and he did this stuff. Yeah. So
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it's like, so it's like, I didn't realize, like, I
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actually knew he played music. Cause like, even on his
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Instagram page, he'd still be like in a band playing music,
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but I didn't realize he was like in some really
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super popular band beforehand that was around for years. And, um, And,
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but my point is, is like, I didn't realize how
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close a lot of people were with him. And then, um,
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you know, I found out, especially on the tribute show
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for Andy Williams, that Pac was really close with them.
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So like, it's just, it's sad that like the two
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friends passed away very close to each other. And like,
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it was very emotional a couple of weeks ago about Andy, uh,
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Andy Williams, the butcher. And now this happened. And it's
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just like, I don't know, like, cause we don't know
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what exactly happened to him. It's just like, it leaves
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a lot to your imagination and speculation. Um, But it
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just sucks because Pac was so good, man. Pac, he
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was so good.
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It makes you just, I mean, unfortunately, this is the
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only time you remember things like death or, you know,
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I guess like dark times, I guess you want to say.
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But just don't take anything for granted. Like, you know,
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I know it's just wrestling and sometimes we watch these
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guys and, you know, we tune them out because we're
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so used to watching the same stuff over and over.
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But like now that we'll probably not, we're never going
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to see pop wrestle again. You're like, holy shit. Like
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what he used to do was unbelievable, you know, but
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when he was around, you know, we would kind of
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zone out and not appreciate it as much. I'm not
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saying we didn't appreciate it, but you take, you take
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shit for granted. Right.
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We talked about when he was young. I, you asked me,
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I'm like, Oh, he'd be around for like another five,
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10 years.
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Exactly. But you know, life doesn't work like that. Unfortunately,
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you know, nobody knows when.
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Yeah. Um, okay.
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Great. Unfortunately.
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I think I always enjoyed him as a heel. I
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always enjoyed him as a bad guy more than a
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good guy. And yeah, I'll admit it. I did. I
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think even now in this Death Rider Zone, there's points
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where I take him for granted. I'll be like, oh,
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pox wrestling. I know this is going to be a
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good match. AEW gives us a lot of good wrestling.
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And you kind of just take it for granted, right?
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Because he wasn't really involved in any major storylines or feuds.
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I didn't think for him to win a big title
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again for a while. I just didn't.
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Yeah, unless it was like a trios title or a
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tag title. I didn't see it because he was kind
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of like an assisting figure in the deck. Riders you
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know like one of the vets but like not really
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one of the main guys top guys in that picture
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which is a place I always wanted to see him
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once again when he was first came to AEW as
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the Bastard I saw this guy, one of the eight.
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He beat Kenny Omega. I got to remember what show
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that was because he was like a replacement for somebody.
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He wasn't supposed to be in the match. I had
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never seen, you know, I knew him as Neville. I
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never knew him as Pac or the bastard Pac or
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what he was before NXT. So when I saw him
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in AEW and the look that he had with his
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long hair and looked.
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Like this guy just woke up and, you know, pissed off,
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ready to kill everybody.
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It was cool.
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But again, outside of wrestling, we only know him as
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a wrestler and what we've seen on TV. But it's
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just shitty news for everyone. And it seems like everyone's
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pretty hurt about it.
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They had a trilogy, Neville and Omega. And this is
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what it was. Pac replaced the ninja Jon Moxley and
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shocked the rest of them by beating Kenny Omega for
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the first ever AEW All Out in 2019. That's what
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it was. And I was like, oh, they had him
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beat Kenny Omega. And 2019, that was a big deal.
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And Omega was supposed to fight Mox. And Mox couldn't wrestle,
472
00:21:02.789 --> 00:21:04.430
so they replaced him with Pac as their replacement. And
473
00:21:04.450 --> 00:21:06.619
I was hyped. Because I'm telling you, you just said
474
00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:07.799
it too with this hair in front of him looking
475
00:21:07.819 --> 00:21:10.579
disheveled and stuff like that. Neville was cool right like
476
00:21:10.630 --> 00:21:13.559
Neville was cool we kind of started seeing that version
477
00:21:13.579 --> 00:21:14.920
of him when he was a king of the cruiserweights
478
00:21:14.940 --> 00:21:17.980
especially when he lost the title to like Enzo or
479
00:21:18.019 --> 00:21:19.839
Mori who was like the complete opposite of who he
480
00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:22.599
was and then he started getting like angry and depressed
481
00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:23.799
he put his hair in front of him because he's
482
00:21:23.819 --> 00:21:26.140
like I lost to Enzo like I'm gonna kill this
483
00:21:26.180 --> 00:21:29.059
guy and like that's when we first kind of started
484
00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:31.720
seeing that version and then when he came to AEW
485
00:21:31.740 --> 00:21:33.849
and the best thing about Pac in the early years
486
00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:36.130
of AEW like the Death Riders he kind of started
487
00:21:36.170 --> 00:21:38.829
wearing like Death Rider clothes and a beanie and stuff
488
00:21:38.849 --> 00:21:42.420
but was that you would never see him on AEW television.
489
00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:46.269
Everybody might be wearing jeans and suits and a dress
490
00:21:46.289 --> 00:21:48.549
shirt or dress pants or sweat pants or whatever, and
491
00:21:48.589 --> 00:21:50.269
this guy would always be in his wrestling gear. He
492
00:21:50.289 --> 00:21:54.349
was always in full gear. Didn't matter what the situation was,
493
00:21:54.390 --> 00:21:58.430
this guy was in his underwear, in his boots. And
494
00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:00.279
I read someone, I don't know if it's actually true,
495
00:22:00.299 --> 00:22:03.299
but someone's like, we're pretty sure he inspired the name
496
00:22:03.380 --> 00:22:07.410
Full Gear because he was always in full gear. but
497
00:22:07.690 --> 00:22:10.250
uh like he like got to be like i can't
498
00:22:10.269 --> 00:22:12.470
stress enough like if you guys came into aw in
499
00:22:12.490 --> 00:22:15.319
the later years like post pandemic whatever like go watch
500
00:22:15.339 --> 00:22:18.799
early um aw watch those park videos because there was
501
00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:20.640
an issue at the beginning too where like he would
502
00:22:20.680 --> 00:22:22.799
get stuck in the uk because of the visa issues
503
00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:25.359
yeah and when he was in the uk they would
504
00:22:25.460 --> 00:22:28.259
only drop video packages and he'd be cutting these promos
505
00:22:28.819 --> 00:22:31.500
and i just learned now after the past we're like
506
00:22:31.579 --> 00:22:35.250
watching all people's uh you know remembering him and mourning
507
00:22:35.289 --> 00:22:38.829
him that uh a really great photographer named beyond gorilla
508
00:22:38.849 --> 00:22:41.549
who's a photographer out in the uk is taking pictures
509
00:22:41.609 --> 00:22:43.539
a lot of your favorite wrestlers that they've ever wrestled
510
00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:47.140
in the uk like he's a like tremendous photographer he
511
00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:49.619
actually filmed a lot of those uh because he has
512
00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:52.180
like bts footage of him like filming them and talk
513
00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:54.460
to the stuff i'm like oh that's like like he
514
00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:56.220
was there or he was there while he was doing
515
00:22:56.259 --> 00:22:58.759
it and taking pictures but like that's insane because like
516
00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:00.779
those are some of my favorite vignettes if you haven't
517
00:23:00.819 --> 00:23:02.140
watched them go back and watch because i was like
518
00:23:02.220 --> 00:23:04.569
this guy's gonna be a star in aw then he
519
00:23:04.589 --> 00:23:06.809
did the whole stuff with malika and the blindfold at
520
00:23:06.890 --> 00:23:09.609
one point where he was blinded and like he wrestled
521
00:23:09.670 --> 00:23:12.170
him with a blindfold on like those it's just crazy
522
00:23:12.190 --> 00:23:16.500
because it's been like 2019 it's not 2026 like seven
523
00:23:16.539 --> 00:23:18.500
years of aw or something i'm bad at math or
524
00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:23.789
whatever but like it's just so crazy because like those
525
00:23:23.829 --> 00:23:25.970
like moments i really remembered him and then those moments
526
00:23:25.990 --> 00:23:27.849
where he faded into the background and i like took
527
00:23:27.890 --> 00:23:30.650
him for granted but like he was just such a
528
00:23:30.690 --> 00:23:33.079
solid wrestler to be honest with you like the red
529
00:23:33.130 --> 00:23:34.799
arrow the black arrow whatever you want to call it
530
00:23:35.460 --> 00:23:37.759
always looked impressive if you've seen it live it looks
531
00:23:37.819 --> 00:23:40.779
even more impressive he moved around in a way that
532
00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:44.119
a lot of us is like it's hard to be
533
00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:47.430
a trailblazer in this era when you had guys like
534
00:23:47.509 --> 00:23:50.359
ray mysterio and And AJ Styles that broke the mold
535
00:23:50.420 --> 00:23:52.220
already with so much crazy stuff. And now you have
536
00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:54.579
people like Will Ospreay and Ricochet doing crazy stuff. Like
537
00:23:55.059 --> 00:23:57.599
he was still unique in an era where it was
538
00:23:57.640 --> 00:23:59.960
hard to be unique with high flying moves.
539
00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:05.420
Well, he was a cruiserweight, but like slash brawler, slash
540
00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:07.960
street fighter. Like he was able to do it all.
541
00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:10.259
He wasn't just one dimensional. Like, you know, he was
542
00:24:10.380 --> 00:24:11.200
just a high flyer.
543
00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:11.720
Yeah.
544
00:24:11.740 --> 00:24:15.640
He won any type of match, like street fight, hardcore match,
545
00:24:15.980 --> 00:24:19.250
dumpster match, cage match. Like he did it all. And
546
00:24:19.390 --> 00:24:21.470
it's very rare to have those kind of skills.
547
00:24:22.579 --> 00:24:26.640
And he was believable as someone that would kick your ass.
548
00:24:26.700 --> 00:24:27.960
I wouldn't want to get in a fight with him.
549
00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:29.559
Or if I was going to get in a fight
550
00:24:29.599 --> 00:24:31.279
with someone and he was in their crew, I'd be like,
551
00:24:31.299 --> 00:24:34.279
I don't know about this. That guy looks like he's going.
552
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:36.359
To kill us. I mean, it might be too early,
553
00:24:36.420 --> 00:24:40.269
but I don't know where and what number. But I
554
00:24:40.309 --> 00:24:43.630
would say he's probably got to be top 10 greatest
555
00:24:43.789 --> 00:24:46.730
cruiserweights of all time. If there's whatever you want to
556
00:24:46.750 --> 00:24:47.930
label as a cruiserweight. For me....
557
00:24:49.460 --> 00:24:51.660
For me personally, too, and I'm not even just saying this,
558
00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:56.440
if I think about wrestling 2012 Ford and the wrestlers
559
00:24:56.460 --> 00:24:59.839
that came after that, I genuinely think he'd be in
560
00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:02.940
my top 20. Obviously, there's the Sests and the Kevin
561
00:25:02.980 --> 00:25:06.920
Owens and the Moxleys of the world that I'm more
562
00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:10.039
connected to, MJF and stuff, but I really liked him.
563
00:25:10.059 --> 00:25:11.619
I'm not even just saying that because he just passed away.
564
00:25:11.980 --> 00:25:13.819
You've followed me for a long time. You guys will know.
565
00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:18.640
I really liked Pac. I really thought... Listen to the
566
00:25:18.700 --> 00:25:21.980
old TWC shows when I couldn't pick if it was
567
00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:27.079
Pac or Pac or whatever, but I always really liked him.
568
00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:28.799
Someone commented on my post, and I'm like, this is
569
00:25:28.819 --> 00:25:30.960
not the time or place to do this, but they're like, man,
570
00:25:30.980 --> 00:25:33.220
they just never really found the perfect storyline for him
571
00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:35.940
to prosper, which is one of the biggest problems.
572
00:25:36.740 --> 00:25:39.549
I agree with that, but you're right. Today is probably
573
00:25:39.589 --> 00:25:42.410
not the right time to talk about any of that.
574
00:25:43.029 --> 00:25:44.369
I guess we just want to pay our respects to
575
00:25:44.410 --> 00:25:47.569
this guy and He had a tremendous career. It doesn't
576
00:25:47.589 --> 00:25:53.430
matter what was your favorite match, what era, NAW or WWE.
577
00:25:54.130 --> 00:25:59.730
He was great to watch. But like I said, today's Sunday.
578
00:25:59.750 --> 00:26:01.890
I guess he'll probably drop it tonight or tomorrow. But
579
00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:05.400
I watched the show on Saturday and now I regret
580
00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:08.769
not fully paying attention to it because... I never knew
581
00:26:08.789 --> 00:26:09.259
that was going to.
582
00:26:09.269 --> 00:26:10.910
Be this bad. Yeah, I might actually watch a match
583
00:26:10.950 --> 00:26:12.609
back before I go to bed, to be honest.
584
00:26:12.849 --> 00:26:14.789
Yeah, I probably will too. So knowing that that was
585
00:26:14.809 --> 00:26:17.170
going to be his last match, now I'm going to
586
00:26:17.210 --> 00:26:21.809
watch that match very differently, right? And just not just us,
587
00:26:21.829 --> 00:26:25.089
probably everyone that's going to go back and watch that
588
00:26:25.109 --> 00:26:28.730
match is probably going to be a little bit more emotional.
589
00:26:28.750 --> 00:26:33.450
You know, pay more attention to that match, definitely.
590
00:26:33.470 --> 00:26:36.710
Yeah, he walked out of the WWE in 2017. When
591
00:26:36.730 --> 00:26:41.680
he refused to lose the title to Enzo Amore. And
592
00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:44.700
then WWE denied he left the promotion. They paused their discussions.
593
00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:47.299
Then they froze his... Oh, yeah. You know what's so funny?
594
00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:48.940
They froze his contract for a year. They don't let
595
00:26:48.980 --> 00:26:50.759
him work anywhere. For a year.
596
00:26:50.779 --> 00:26:53.700
I remember him quitting WWE. Or whatever. I remember him
597
00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:55.049
saying he didn't want to do this.
598
00:26:55.210 --> 00:26:57.829
And that's the most controversial thing that I've ever heard
599
00:26:57.869 --> 00:26:59.950
about this man. And that's not even controversial. He just
600
00:26:59.970 --> 00:27:02.670
wasn't happy. And you know me. If you're not happy,
601
00:27:02.710 --> 00:27:04.789
then just don't do it. If it doesn't make you happy.
602
00:27:04.809 --> 00:27:07.279
He's wearing a cape. They want to make him Rey
603
00:27:07.299 --> 00:27:08.839
Mysterio without the mask, right?
604
00:27:09.339 --> 00:27:09.740
Yeah.
605
00:27:10.539 --> 00:27:13.559
That was Vince's time. He liked the colorful guys. And
606
00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:16.609
I don't think Pac cared to be that colorful type
607
00:27:16.619 --> 00:27:16.789
of guy.
608
00:27:19.089 --> 00:27:20.789
Yeah, 40 years old is young, though.
609
00:27:21.349 --> 00:27:24.349
That is young, man. That's not old at all. He's fit.
610
00:27:24.609 --> 00:27:27.150
I mean, like I said, we don't know what went down.
611
00:27:27.750 --> 00:27:32.599
It doesn't really matter. Yeah. Whatever happened, it's just the
612
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:33.960
fact that it's a great loss.
613
00:27:34.180 --> 00:27:37.640
You know, we've... Like, we can both say this, because
614
00:27:37.660 --> 00:27:42.259
I'm sure you have as well. Like, we've both, like, had... Like,
615
00:27:42.299 --> 00:27:44.019
and I've talked about this a lot with multiple different people.
616
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:48.609
I'm like, you know, like, we both had a lot of, like, friends...
617
00:27:49.269 --> 00:27:51.390
that died when we were younger, people we knew that
618
00:27:51.430 --> 00:27:53.849
died when we were younger, whether they were like 23, 18,
619
00:27:53.849 --> 00:27:58.250
26 or something, whether it was car accidents or bad
620
00:27:58.289 --> 00:28:01.759
stuff or whatever. You know, growing up, obviously you lose
621
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:05.140
older people in your family, like you'll lose uncles and stuff,
622
00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:07.079
or maybe like, you know, your grandparents are already old
623
00:28:07.099 --> 00:28:09.980
when you're a kid. So you're like, okay. I don't
624
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:11.920
think death really hit me until my dad passed away.
625
00:28:12.410 --> 00:28:14.269
I think that's when I really started thinking about it
626
00:28:14.309 --> 00:28:18.150
more because that's someone in your core family group that
627
00:28:18.210 --> 00:28:19.890
you know your entire life and next thing you know,
628
00:28:19.910 --> 00:28:22.119
they're just not here. And you're like, wait, someone from
629
00:28:22.140 --> 00:28:24.880
our immediate little crew here from our own household is missing.
630
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:28.359
And you're like, that's weird. You're not used to that.
631
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:31.440
Until you maybe lose a parent, it is a little
632
00:28:31.460 --> 00:28:33.880
bit of a trip. And then it made me think
633
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:36.970
about death a lot. Oddly enough, I think about death
634
00:28:36.990 --> 00:28:39.509
a lot throughout my life, even when I was younger.
635
00:28:39.650 --> 00:28:42.339
It's always been interesting to me. And it's just like,
636
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:45.920
when someone dies young, and I even look back at
637
00:28:45.940 --> 00:28:47.539
my uncles and stuff when I died young. To me,
638
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:49.240
they were older because they were my uncles.
639
00:28:49.259 --> 00:28:50.819
Yeah, we were younger, yeah.
640
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.259
Yeah, one of them was, I think, 39, 38, and
641
00:28:53.299 --> 00:28:58.000
the other one was like 40-something. Now that I'm older,
642
00:28:58.019 --> 00:29:01.279
I'm like, oh, crap, they died young. That's crazy. At
643
00:29:01.299 --> 00:29:02.660
least I can say it wouldn't.
644
00:29:05.779 --> 00:29:07.640
I said, not too far from us, like our age
645
00:29:07.660 --> 00:29:08.440
wise or what we are.
646
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:10.579
No, no, no. Yeah. Not at all. But then like
647
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:12.180
when my dad passed away, like, don't get me wrong.
648
00:29:12.220 --> 00:29:15.519
Like he, you know, he passed away when he was 70.
649
00:29:15.500 --> 00:29:19.160
And like, I've always had the, I've always been able
650
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:21.549
to be content with it. Cause I was like, he
651
00:29:21.589 --> 00:29:23.849
died at 70. Like he lived a full life. Like if,
652
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:26.890
if you pass like 65 and you're still living in ground,
653
00:29:26.910 --> 00:29:28.910
like if you can make it to 80, like, like
654
00:29:28.950 --> 00:29:31.890
my grandma, like she's almost 90. Like, that's great. That's amazing. Right.
655
00:29:32.390 --> 00:29:33.690
But then I started thinking too, I'm like, Oh crap.
656
00:29:33.730 --> 00:29:35.250
Now I gotta think about my friends and stuff that
657
00:29:35.289 --> 00:29:37.049
died like you know we've had people that died in
658
00:29:37.069 --> 00:29:40.619
car accidents and different things when we're young and i
659
00:29:40.650 --> 00:29:42.730
think about how much i like if someone died when
660
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:44.759
i was 23 and back then it didn't hit me
661
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:46.259
because i don't know like it hit me that they
662
00:29:46.299 --> 00:29:48.099
died and it was sad but like it didn't hit
663
00:29:48.140 --> 00:29:50.259
me because like i don't know and now that i'm
664
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:52.559
older i'm like wow like the amount of things i've
665
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:55.940
done since i was 23 they missed out on all
666
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.779
that like you know what i mean like like that
667
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:01.720
experience right Yeah. So now I'm like looking at it
668
00:30:01.789 --> 00:30:04.130
that way. I'm like, crap. Like I did do that 23.
669
00:30:04.109 --> 00:30:06.009
I just started the wrestling classic. I wouldn't even live
670
00:30:06.029 --> 00:30:09.430
with this post wrestling classic life. If I passed away
671
00:30:09.470 --> 00:30:11.519
at 23, like that's insane. Like so much changed in
672
00:30:11.539 --> 00:30:14.140
my life since then. Yeah. So then when I hear
673
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:16.500
someone die at 40 now, compared to like, if you
674
00:30:16.700 --> 00:30:19.589
told me 10, 15 years ago, like it does hit
675
00:30:19.630 --> 00:30:22.140
me because it's like, damn, like, dude, like.
676
00:30:22.339 --> 00:30:24.460
Eddie, right? Was Eddie 40 or under 40?
677
00:30:24.460 --> 00:30:27.099
Young. He was young, too. So, like, now it's starting
678
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:29.400
to click to me. Like, some of these wrestlers that
679
00:30:29.460 --> 00:30:31.119
obviously were older than me when I was, you know,
680
00:30:31.180 --> 00:30:34.440
Eddie died when I was, like, 15, 16 years old, right? Like,
681
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:38.940
to me, being 38 was older. Like, I just, you know,
682
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:41.140
I didn't think of it too much, right? When you
683
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:42.740
were here about this stuff, too, like you said.
684
00:30:42.940 --> 00:30:46.720
He was 38, yeah. Yeah, so I started seeing Neville
685
00:30:46.819 --> 00:30:49.619
or Pac or, you know, he was known as Neville
686
00:30:49.660 --> 00:30:53.410
at that time. That was almost, was it 12 years ago?
687
00:30:54.470 --> 00:30:54.609
Yeah.
688
00:30:54.650 --> 00:30:58.230
And dude, it's, it's also like, it makes me reflect
689
00:30:58.289 --> 00:30:59.970
on my life and the holy shit of 12 years
690
00:31:00.009 --> 00:31:01.950
have gone by. Like you said, people have been coming
691
00:31:02.309 --> 00:31:05.730
in and out of our lives, things, life's life's changing
692
00:31:05.819 --> 00:31:08.039
and just the way we're living and how things are going.
693
00:31:08.609 --> 00:31:10.730
And then I think that's what I really usually reflect
694
00:31:10.789 --> 00:31:12.789
on when someone passes away too. Like, oh shit, like
695
00:31:12.869 --> 00:31:15.069
all this happened within that time. And he was there
696
00:31:15.150 --> 00:31:16.529
for a good time for a lot of us. Like,
697
00:31:16.970 --> 00:31:19.710
you know, that's when wrestling wasn't the greatest, but guys
698
00:31:19.750 --> 00:31:21.470
like us, we loved it. Like, you know, and he
699
00:31:21.529 --> 00:31:25.130
was there at that time when it wasn't ESPN and
700
00:31:25.190 --> 00:31:29.579
mainstream and it was our escape, right? To watch guys
701
00:31:29.619 --> 00:31:29.920
like this.
702
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:35.259
Yeah, and, like, that's another thing. Like, he's around our age. So, like,
703
00:31:35.299 --> 00:31:37.700
you know, like, when the older guys passed away, like,
704
00:31:37.819 --> 00:31:40.509
you know, like, I was talking about earlier, like, what
705
00:31:40.549 --> 00:31:42.769
wrestlers really hit me when they passed away? Like, which ones?
706
00:31:42.809 --> 00:31:44.710
I'm like, you know, like, Eddie was a big deal and, like,
707
00:31:45.109 --> 00:31:47.970
obviously the Macho Man and, like, I don't know why, but, like,
708
00:31:48.230 --> 00:31:51.599
I felt something when Dusty passed away and, like, Roddy
709
00:31:51.619 --> 00:31:53.160
Piper passed away. But those are guys I watched when
710
00:31:53.180 --> 00:31:55.900
I was a kid and they were, like, older guys. Listen, man,
711
00:31:56.380 --> 00:31:58.700
I thought Ric Flair was 60 in 1997, so I
712
00:31:58.740 --> 00:31:59.019
don't know.
713
00:32:00.579 --> 00:32:02.539
Ric Hogan, all these guys have looked the same since
714
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:03.240
they were babies, man.
715
00:32:03.660 --> 00:32:07.559
Yeah, so they looked old from the get-go. If you
716
00:32:07.579 --> 00:32:10.089
look at an NXT picture of Adrian Neville and you
717
00:32:10.109 --> 00:32:11.900
look at Pac, it's like, oh, no, he grew up
718
00:32:11.980 --> 00:32:14.150
with us. A lot of these guys are around the
719
00:32:14.190 --> 00:32:17.150
same age as us, and it's weird to think like that.
720
00:32:18.410 --> 00:32:19.829
that you could pass away so soon. So like, you
721
00:32:19.890 --> 00:32:21.910
really can't every, you can't take any day for granted.
722
00:32:22.309 --> 00:32:23.569
One day you hear the next thing, you know, and
723
00:32:23.630 --> 00:32:25.799
it's just, we don't know how we passed away yet.
724
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:29.059
We don't know the circumstances. I want to see it
725
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:31.160
for the family's sake. I don't even, if they never
726
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:33.259
want to tell us, that's totally fine. Like it's, you know,
727
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:40.619
it's obviously up to them, but it's just, it just
728
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:43.369
hit me. It just like, I think now anytime someone dies,
729
00:32:44.049 --> 00:32:46.329
it just hits me different these days. And this hit
730
00:32:46.349 --> 00:32:49.279
me a little different. Cause I was just like, that's crazy.
731
00:32:49.299 --> 00:32:52.140
Like you were just on TV yesterday. You were just wrestling.
732
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:53.839
We just watched some wrestling. We were going to do
733
00:32:53.859 --> 00:32:56.750
a review show. And I was like, yeah, sure. Like when,
734
00:32:56.890 --> 00:32:59.430
when I got, when I got the text, a buddy
735
00:32:59.470 --> 00:33:01.789
messaged me and he's like, Oh shit, you know, Pac
736
00:33:01.829 --> 00:33:04.730
passed away. And I was like, hold on today's Sunday.
737
00:33:05.109 --> 00:33:07.319
He was just wrestling yesterday. Like I told, like I
738
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:08.480
was trying to put the days together.
739
00:33:08.500 --> 00:33:09.640
I'm like, was that three days ago?
740
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:11.619
Two days ago? I'm like, no, it literally was less
741
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:13.819
than 24 hours. We just saw him wrestle and he
742
00:33:13.859 --> 00:33:15.960
walked away. And then he was part of the main event.
743
00:33:16.059 --> 00:33:20.690
And, Yeah, because in other instances, right, like obviously the
744
00:33:20.769 --> 00:33:22.950
Eddie one was a little like really close to right
745
00:33:22.990 --> 00:33:25.140
after he wrestled. It was like two days later or something.
746
00:33:25.700 --> 00:33:28.059
But like I was a kid then, like a teenager.
747
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:30.000
I don't like I like I don't I didn't think
748
00:33:30.019 --> 00:33:31.240
about it the way I think about it now. And
749
00:33:31.259 --> 00:33:34.109
it's like, you know, with Bray and Brody, they kind
750
00:33:34.150 --> 00:33:35.970
of were off TV for a minute. We knew something
751
00:33:35.990 --> 00:33:38.569
was up, but we didn't know what. And, you know,
752
00:33:38.609 --> 00:33:39.650
you kind of had a.
753
00:33:39.690 --> 00:33:41.779
Brody was a little, like, oh, shit to me.
754
00:33:42.299 --> 00:33:44.619
No, it wasn't. They were both oh, shit, because they're
755
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.460
both current wrestlers. But, like, they were off TV. Like,
756
00:33:47.500 --> 00:33:49.380
you know what I mean? Like, there was, like, rumblings,
757
00:33:49.460 --> 00:33:51.779
at least on my end, like, being, you know, kind
758
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.769
of in the wrestling media mix. Like, those rumblings, like, oh,
759
00:33:54.789 --> 00:33:56.829
they're not doing that well right now. Like, you know, like,
760
00:33:57.170 --> 00:34:02.130
something's going on. Like, you know, like, COVID-related stuff, this
761
00:34:02.190 --> 00:34:04.970
and that. Like, there's all these things. This one was
762
00:34:04.990 --> 00:34:09.639
just kind of like, yo, you look extremely... healthy yesterday, yesterday.
763
00:34:10.099 --> 00:34:12.739
You know what I mean? Like not even like off
764
00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:15.469
TV for like two, three months, something's going on. Like, no,
765
00:34:15.489 --> 00:34:19.030
like just yesterday he was on TV and looked perfectly fine.
766
00:34:19.650 --> 00:34:23.050
Just, uh, the way the message has come out and get,
767
00:34:23.090 --> 00:34:26.809
I don't want to speculate or whatnot. You know, it's just, uh, it's,
768
00:34:26.889 --> 00:34:29.159
it's a very, uh, I mean, what do you do?
769
00:34:29.219 --> 00:34:32.239
It's a vague statement of what was written. I know
770
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:35.139
it was long, but just didn't give out too much information.
771
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.099
I like, It doesn't matter at the end of the
772
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:42.139
day how it occurred. It's just very sad at a
773
00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:43.360
young age. Very young age.
774
00:34:43.380 --> 00:34:46.000
Very, very sad. He was married. He did not have
775
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:46.579
any children.
776
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:49.400
I was going to ask that. Because I don't know
777
00:34:49.460 --> 00:34:50.380
anything about his personal life.
778
00:34:50.420 --> 00:34:54.440
That's still, that's... So that goes again with who he was.
779
00:34:54.820 --> 00:34:56.300
I could be wrong. Maybe he does have children, but
780
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:58.360
he's a very private person. So I know he was
781
00:34:58.380 --> 00:35:00.599
married for sure. But it looks like I don't think
782
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:04.199
he had any children. It wasn't mentioned anywhere either. It's just...
783
00:35:05.460 --> 00:35:08.429
What was that? that me yeah i think so it's
784
00:35:08.449 --> 00:35:12.710
not me but um yeah it's just very very very
785
00:35:12.789 --> 00:35:17.190
very sad and um i don't know like it's just
786
00:35:17.269 --> 00:35:20.210
it's it's one of those situations where it's like he's
787
00:35:20.269 --> 00:35:21.829
one of those guys that i think i thought his
788
00:35:21.869 --> 00:35:25.250
potential was like there was so much potential for him
789
00:35:25.269 --> 00:35:26.750
to be so much more and i think he settled
790
00:35:26.829 --> 00:35:29.369
in a spot where he was the happy veteran and
791
00:35:29.409 --> 00:35:32.960
like I'm just more like happy to hear about all
792
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.199
this people that were like, no, he helped me or
793
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:36.800
he did this for me or he did this for us.
794
00:35:36.860 --> 00:35:39.949
And like, he just seemed like a selfless, good dude. Um,
795
00:35:39.989 --> 00:35:42.409
that one photographer I mentioned earlier beyond grill. I was like, no,
796
00:35:42.429 --> 00:35:46.289
like at one point, like he was like, ask me
797
00:35:46.329 --> 00:35:48.050
like he, how he helped me. Like he was paying,
798
00:35:48.070 --> 00:35:49.349
he helped me pay my rent and he did this
799
00:35:49.369 --> 00:35:51.329
for me. And then that, and he like never mentioned him,
800
00:35:51.369 --> 00:35:53.349
didn't ever want me to acknowledge it publicly. He just
801
00:35:53.369 --> 00:35:54.969
like did it out of the kindness of his heart.
802
00:35:55.550 --> 00:35:57.329
And then you hear other stories of the stuff he's
803
00:35:57.349 --> 00:35:58.670
done for people that are kind of coming out now.
804
00:35:58.690 --> 00:36:02.699
And it's like, Oh, like, Pac always was a private person.
805
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:06.000
You didn't hear the Pac stories. Another photographer was like,
806
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:07.980
he hated taking pictures. He never wanted to be in
807
00:36:08.019 --> 00:36:10.559
a picture. Oh, he hated this. He was one of
808
00:36:10.579 --> 00:36:14.349
those guys that you could probably tell was anti-social media,
809
00:36:14.849 --> 00:36:16.769
not about all the glitz and glamour and trying to
810
00:36:16.809 --> 00:36:18.889
be famous. He just wanted to wrestle and he loved
811
00:36:18.909 --> 00:36:21.849
this shit. And there's something to that that I really
812
00:36:21.889 --> 00:36:26.139
appreciate as I get older. He just was very passionate
813
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:27.780
about what he's doing. He was very good at it.
814
00:36:28.340 --> 00:36:30.909
better than I think he even knew himself according to
815
00:36:30.949 --> 00:36:34.670
a lot of people like once again tremendously gifted uh
816
00:36:35.409 --> 00:36:40.389
universally beloved and just like a really effing good wrestler
817
00:36:40.409 --> 00:36:42.480
that I don't even think really got the flowers he
818
00:36:42.500 --> 00:36:43.420
deserved in his career um.
819
00:36:44.179 --> 00:36:47.880
So that's that's the shitty part like he'll never get
820
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:50.739
to witness that and for people to give his flowers
821
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.869
to him and for him to be recognized, right?
822
00:36:53.949 --> 00:36:57.090
It's like everybody knew he was good. Not even good.
823
00:36:57.139 --> 00:37:00.500
Everyone knew he was great, but it was just like.
824
00:37:00.579 --> 00:37:01.860
Yeah, he definitely was better than good.
825
00:37:02.260 --> 00:37:04.159
He just wasn't that... He just never got to that
826
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:05.280
point where he could have.
827
00:37:05.579 --> 00:37:05.900
Who knows?
828
00:37:05.940 --> 00:37:07.340
Maybe this would have led him there. Who knows what
829
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:11.820
could have happened, but very unfortunate passing. Rest in peace, Pac. I'm,
830
00:37:12.099 --> 00:37:15.420
once again, a really, really big fan of his. I
831
00:37:15.460 --> 00:37:17.320
think my peak fandom was those early 2019-20 AEW days.
832
00:37:17.340 --> 00:37:23.190
I'm like... He had that 30 minute Ironman match with Omega.
833
00:37:23.670 --> 00:37:25.610
It was just like, I saw, and even like, and
834
00:37:25.650 --> 00:37:26.989
I forgot about that for a second. Someone else brought
835
00:37:27.010 --> 00:37:29.210
it to me. Like even that death triangle period was
836
00:37:29.250 --> 00:37:30.670
super cool. And the three of them were a group.
837
00:37:31.030 --> 00:37:32.809
I wish I kept their figures. Like that was such
838
00:37:32.849 --> 00:37:33.769
a cool set.
839
00:37:34.269 --> 00:37:35.590
Did they have a three set or something?
840
00:37:35.670 --> 00:37:39.210
They had a three set. I wish I kept it now. Like,
841
00:37:39.269 --> 00:37:41.679
I'm not because he passed away. Like it was, it
842
00:37:41.699 --> 00:37:43.780
was just a really cool set. And I just got enough,
843
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:46.039
you know, for me to get for inventory.
844
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:47.070
But yeah, Yeah.
845
00:37:47.250 --> 00:37:50.289
Yeah, I mean, wrestling fan or not, POC fan or not,
846
00:37:50.309 --> 00:37:53.199
or Neville fan or not, just makes you just realize,
847
00:37:53.219 --> 00:37:55.719
you know, reach out to people. Check in once in
848
00:37:55.739 --> 00:37:58.619
a while. Say hi, hello. You just never know.
849
00:37:59.579 --> 00:38:02.380
Yeah, he'll always be the man. Gravity forgot. He'll always
850
00:38:02.420 --> 00:38:05.300
be the king of the Cruzoids. Long live the king.
851
00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:08.489
He'll always be the bastard, our bastard POC. There was
852
00:38:08.570 --> 00:38:12.090
a quote that was shared that he posted on Twitter
853
00:38:12.110 --> 00:38:15.300
and 2012 and i was like oh that hit home
854
00:38:15.340 --> 00:38:17.079
like those those two quotes but this one hit home
855
00:38:17.099 --> 00:38:19.320
where he said throw your heart in front throw your
856
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:21.659
heart in front of you and run ahead to catch
857
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:24.510
it and i think like you know there's something there's
858
00:38:24.550 --> 00:38:28.429
something that's very like poetic about that because that could
859
00:38:28.469 --> 00:38:32.050
probably really just define his entire career you know he
860
00:38:32.070 --> 00:38:33.489
loved wrestling he threw his heart in front of him
861
00:38:33.510 --> 00:38:35.300
and he ran after it and even when he got
862
00:38:35.340 --> 00:38:38.360
unhappy he or situations that he stuck true to his heart.
863
00:38:38.500 --> 00:38:40.199
And he honestly, at the end of the day, had
864
00:38:40.219 --> 00:38:43.150
a tremendous career that you only, you got like you,
865
00:38:43.230 --> 00:38:48.949
there's some wrestlers that get on television and they have
866
00:38:48.969 --> 00:38:51.429
a decent career, but they don't leave you with a
867
00:38:51.429 --> 00:38:54.449
really memorable mark. Like I consider him, like I already
868
00:38:54.489 --> 00:38:56.550
brought up like earlier, like four or five things that
869
00:38:56.590 --> 00:38:58.210
popped in his career that I really remember the Kenny
870
00:38:58.230 --> 00:39:01.170
Omega stuff, the match with the Austin Aries, that Seth
871
00:39:01.230 --> 00:39:04.449
Rollins match, the stuff he did with Stardust. and uh
872
00:39:04.630 --> 00:39:06.010
stephen and mel and all that stuff on the way
873
00:39:06.030 --> 00:39:07.880
that the tag team match at summer slam and like
874
00:39:08.500 --> 00:39:10.239
the cruiserweight stuff when he was the king of the
875
00:39:10.260 --> 00:39:12.420
cruiserweights the bastard like i don't know i just i'm
876
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:15.119
uh i just think he had a very and like
877
00:39:15.139 --> 00:39:18.219
those early takeovers like he was putting on bangers and
878
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:20.090
that and you know that was the thing about nxt
879
00:39:20.110 --> 00:39:21.809
people would be putting on bangers nxt they come on
880
00:39:21.829 --> 00:39:24.769
the main roster get repackaged not have that same aura
881
00:39:24.809 --> 00:39:27.329
but he pushed through to like have a really good
882
00:39:27.429 --> 00:39:29.969
solid career the other quote was just uh and we're
883
00:39:30.019 --> 00:39:31.820
wrap it up with this is keep your head up
884
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:36.059
and keep your heart strong you know just another nice
885
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:37.400
little thing to hear from.
886
00:39:37.300 --> 00:39:41.610
Paul yeah I mean he's the one guy that definitely
887
00:39:41.630 --> 00:39:44.150
was all in on wrestling and I think you know
888
00:39:44.429 --> 00:39:48.409
the short 40 years that he had that's he did
889
00:39:48.469 --> 00:39:49.309
he gave it his all.
890
00:39:49.820 --> 00:39:52.960
He accomplished a lot in those 40 years. And sending
891
00:39:53.019 --> 00:39:55.320
our love and condolences to his family, his friends, his
892
00:39:55.380 --> 00:39:59.949
loved ones, his colleagues that had to work with him. And,
893
00:40:01.289 --> 00:40:06.590
you know, that's the way I've been. And it's just sad.
894
00:40:06.630 --> 00:40:08.010
I don't know. How do you wrap it up? It's
895
00:40:08.030 --> 00:40:11.429
just sad. Once again, like, we were going to review
896
00:40:11.469 --> 00:40:14.329
all that, but I just didn't feel right to sit
897
00:40:14.349 --> 00:40:18.449
here and talk about pay-per-view when, you know, you lose
898
00:40:18.530 --> 00:40:21.889
a wrestler that, like, I really did like, like I really,
899
00:40:22.989 --> 00:40:26.269
really was a fan of, and like, he just, he
900
00:40:26.289 --> 00:40:27.389
was the bastard. No.
901
00:40:27.630 --> 00:40:27.909
All right.
902
00:40:28.550 --> 00:40:32.039
We'll, uh, see you guys all next week for another
903
00:40:32.099 --> 00:40:35.139
episode of the TFC show. Most likely we'll be in person. Um,
904
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if you guys haven't already check out rain city toys,
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all my platforms. Got two interviews last week, a bunch
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more coming and we'll see you guys all next time. Peace. Peace.
908
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Thank you.