EPS 014 Diddy Forced Infected Sex_ Census Erases Biracial Identity

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Welcome to Truth Talks, the show where we talk like friends,
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maybe argue like cousins, and maybe make peace at the end,
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but not necessarily. I think I'm not gonna make peace
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with Doctor b today. That's just the way it's gonna be.
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Tonight.
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We're talking about Diddy's anonymous accusers, should they be able
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to remain anonymous. We're also gonna talk about the limit
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to getting justice for black men when we show up
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at the courthouse. Does it ever work out for us?
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And there's another battle between Harvard and the Trump beats
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over DEI and a big question for us today. Are
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biracial people being allowed to be considered black? Are they
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being erased? Are we being erased in general as black people.
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We're gonna get into all of that today on Truth Talks.
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Let's go.
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Let y'all, Truth Talks is back with two of the
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smartest people I know. You can figure out who the
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other one is. Please welcome Doctor Cheyenne, Brian's.
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Chelli's your favorite Doctor Brian.
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I happen to be the smart one number one, or
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And we'll just figure out where then fellas fit in
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but wasn't along with these topics, h your absolute power.
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We've seen her on CEE that at ABC Live Civil
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Rights A thirty immediate powerhouse. Areva Martin in the house well.
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One of the two smartest people on the show tonight.
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Thank you doctor B for repping for the Black Girls.
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You're absolutely right and I love it, even though I
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am highly disappointed that he is still not finished reading
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the autobiography of Malcolm X, but he has seen the movie.
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That's something to be Trea.
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I will finish the book very soon. I promise. It's
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a pleasure to be here.
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Come man, this book is like at the heart of
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what it is to be a black man.
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You got to get in there.
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I mean, when an ancestor talks you listen.
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You'll be a reader.
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You can read.
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I love how.
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I see how you do.
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I see how you do.
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All right, Look, let's get into Trending truth. Our friends
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and hair maniacs are supporting us on this segment today,
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so we really appreciate that. In Trending Truths, our first story,
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a woman has been testifying against Ditty anonymously with devastating testimony.
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People have been sharing her identity online, even though a
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man got banned from the courtroom for live streaming and
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revealing the witness identity of another anonymous witness. Some people say,
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if a celebrity is being named and shamed, the accuser
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should face the same public but other people think realize,
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I think we need to protect victims who might otherwise
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stay silent. We want to talk about should witnesses in
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high profile trials be allowed to remain anonymous? Arriva, I
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know you know all about the issues. We certainly could
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not get everybody to come into a courthouse and talk
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and tell their story and tell the arrowing details of
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what happened to them, whether or not they were participants
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of the crime or a victim. We cannot get everybody
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in to deal with the actual crime we have if
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we don't at least give some people an anonymity.
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You know.
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Teray, when I'm not spending time with my favorite co
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hosts like all of you here, I'm on TV a
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lot talking about legal cases and trying to help people
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understand our criminal justice system, our legal system, and one
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of the things I want to make sure folks understand
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the witnesses that you are seeing. Many of the witnesses
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that you were seeing brought into the courtroom in the
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Diddy trial are witnesses that are there by subpoena, meaning
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they have been forced to come into that courtroom by
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the prosecution, by the government. You can be going about
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your business, living your life, and you get a knock
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on your door and you get served with a subpoena
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which means you have to show up and give testimony.
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If you do not, you can be held in contempt
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of court.
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You can actually be put in jail for disobeying a
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valid subpoena.
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So this isn't a civil case where someone is.
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Suing Diddy, and yes, in that case they should be
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forced to give up their identity because they are bringing
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him into court and he should be able to face
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his accusers. In this case, this is the government, this
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is the prosecution. Is the government bringing criminal charges against Ditty.
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So these witnesses, they are not there voluntarily. And we
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heard the stylists who testifies say he would rather be
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any place other than in that courtroom, but yet he
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was forced to be there by the government.
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Dmitri, the government gave excuse me, the court gave two
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witnesses anonymity, so the court did not name them, and
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the court sketch artists as you see in the sketch
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there does not fill in the face. But the media
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online quickly realize who these people were to name them
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and showed their pictures. What do you make of anonymity
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in a world where the internet is just gonna come
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right behind and say, yeah, well we know who she is.
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It doesn't exist. I think the thing about it is
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social media. The identity of it is to be as
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nosy as possible, is to say, hey, I received this information. First,
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let me tell you exactly who's in this courtroom, because
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it just doesn't there's no.
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No exclusives for you.
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Even in criminal cases, there's no exclusives specifically for these
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courtrooms because people are just too damn nosy these days.
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I think the thing about it is we shame predators intentionally.
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This is what we do intentionally. But the question is
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the people who are the survivors are we attempting to
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shame them to like? I think they should absolutely remain
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names faceless.
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Doc.
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It's been really difficult because these women in this trial,
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it's been women requesting anonymity to tell stories that are
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horribly mortifying to them, and then they're out in any way.
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But they're like, I have a hard time talking about
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this if I can't do so through the clobe of privacy.
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How do you feel about all this?
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So Arriva said, something really beg subpoena. Right, these women
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are peena by the governor, by the by the government,
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and they're under oath, and so they have a lot
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to lose by going taking a stand and not telling
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the truth or hold you nothing but the truth. Right
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before did he got incarcerated, his team reached out to
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me to provide my services for him, Koreesha and the
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entire team, saying that they need this and he really
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wants to be able to move into a place of
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getting some help. And I consult it with my team
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at Doctor Bright Institute, and they said that may not
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be a good idea. You know why, because of what
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Reva just said. They said, you do that, guess who's
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going to be subpoena. Guess who's going to have to
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take a stand, And I will have to tell everything
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that that is exchanging in session. There is no confidentiality
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at that point. So in addition to that, when it
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comes to you know, these these victims having privacy, they
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don't have it. Everyone knows who Jane is. I'm not
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going to expose it, but fifty Cent posted it on
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his page and said, this is exactly who Jane possibly is,
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which is tied directly to him.
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So there is no privacy for anyone in the court
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OJ Sipson to get privacy.
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The only difference is we got to watch OJ on
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live television. We're not able to watch the d DKs
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on live television.
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I don't know why, Well, because it's a federal trial
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and OJ was a state trial. I mean OJ, OJ
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was accused of committing a crime. People who are victims
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perhaps should have the ability to tell their story and
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privately in a way that doesn't leave them feeling like
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their own lives have been damaged. But I do want
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to hear you talk a little bit more, Doc about
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the opportunity. Let's say with Diddy that his team asked
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you to use Toro write your mental health services to
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their community.
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Yeah, totally.
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His one of his representatives reached out and said, hey, Doc,
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we would love to, you know, set up a session
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with you. And I'm not giving away any name.
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Ray, this is not this is I am going to say.
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As they reached out and I said, okay, and this
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is the truth is I asked, I said, well, is
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this something that they want to be a public session
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or a private session? And I asked that because I
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have a lot of celebrities like Nick Cannon and Cam
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Newton and be Simone and so forth that have had
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public sessions that they've recorded right and allowed the public
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to use for their betterment to see if there's tools
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and things that they can get from these interviews are
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from these sessions.
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So I said, is this going to be public or private?
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And they said, we'd like for it to be private
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because he definitely wants to be able to, you know,
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get some help along with Koreesha and and along with
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other of his employees as well.
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And so what I'm saying is that I'm happy. I
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always look.
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Back at it when I look at this case and
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I'm going, holy crap, thank God that I did not,
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you know, take that on. And we were not able
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to do that because I would have been subpoenia.
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In court for sure.
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Oh for suret of been subpoenia because we'd have been
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processing a lot of stuff in those sessions.
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That I don't would not want to have.
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To be privy to on a stand to our point,
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with the public watching in court, giving away my name,
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you know, sharing my information on social media.
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To me, that is a risk to all the victims.
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I think that they should be protected in their testimonies,
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protected in telling their stories. I just think that that
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is not shun to be a public thing.
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If somebody speaks to Arriva in this sort of way,
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they would have attorney client privilege, right like, but if
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somebody speaks to you, there's no in the mental health
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therapist world, there's no sort of clinician.
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Yes it is, yes, yes, there is a client coach
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or client therapists privilege. However, if the court subpoenaes me
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that overpowers all privileged that they have, I have to
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show up and I have to be under oathen I
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have to tell what it is because you know, what's
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spoken our shared in session can be used in the
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court of law as evidence. I don't think that's okay,
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even as me being a therapist that transitioned into us
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I called jests for life quach, I don't think that's okay.
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I think there should be a place where a safe
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space is a safe space use other, you know, other
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aspects as evidence. I just don't think mental health should
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be a place where you use that as evidence.
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That's just my opinion area and quickly.
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I think the notion that they are reaching out to
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one or other therapists to say, hey, we need help
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shows that they understood we have a deep spiritual this
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man has a problem and he needs to be talking
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to people to deal with this problem.
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I don't know if it shows that it may show
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that we need to set up a defense for this
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criminal prosecution. You are making an assumption that they're reaching
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out to doctor B or any therapist because they do
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really want to acknowledge the problem and then fix it.
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But I don't know that to be the case at all.
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We don't know that to be the case at all.
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We know that oftentimes defendants and criminal cases reach out
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to folks to set up a defense. We've heard about
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Diddy calling people saying, hey, do you remember when we
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did XYZ? You remember it that way, right, wink wink.
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So no, I don't make that assumption. I think this
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is a guy that knew he was going down and
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he was trying to do everything in his power to
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not go down, including create this sympathy that now I'm
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getting help from a female, a black female. I've heard
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black females, but now I'm seeking help from a black female.
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Well yeah, so no, it's a great idea. So I
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appreciate your citizen. So perhaps he's saying, let's pull doctor
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Bryan into our show of we're trying to be better
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your honor and jury, don't convict us because we're in
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the bits of trying to improve as a human being. Wow,
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that's crazy.
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And then you got to.
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Remember at that point, right, we weren't in court. All
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of this wasn't exposed. And so for me, as being
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a professional in the mental health field, I just looked
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at it like you were kinda sanchoi, Like, Okay, they
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want help, they want assistance, they want sessions.
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Absolutely, this is what I do. Sign me up.
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But by again the grace of God, you know, he
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definitely detoured that, and I'm okay with that.
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I'm definitely okay with that.
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Dmitri. You know, going back to perhaps life in Chicago,
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I think you understand. So sometimes some people are like
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I need to be anonymous situation in terms of testifying,
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to testify. But when you're forced, sometimes you're like, can
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we please just keep this private so the world does
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not know that I have testified.
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Absolutely anonymous in this case.
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and death, being anonymous is not hiding.
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It's surviving. For a lot of people, it.
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Is your ability to maintain a normal life after you
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leave that courtroom. Maintain a life after you leave that
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court room. So for a lot of these people, this
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isn't a small deal. We've seen how powerful did he
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is in situations outside of the court room. We see
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how much money impacts, how much he's able to control.
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So if it was me and they was calling me
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to the stand, I'd like to be anonymous. And I
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think they should grant that to every single witness because
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clearly they need some witnesses. If they're asking therapists, every
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single witness that enters that court room.
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Isn't fair to the defendant, is it fair?
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I mean, it has the defendant been fair?
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That's I mean, hey, maybe not in a lot of cases.
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I can see why you make that point. Maybe not, but.
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It's this is life and I hear we're talking about
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this is this has got a good situations we're talking
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about You may depend.
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Can see who he's talking to or who she's talking to.
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The accuser is not hidden from the defendant. They are
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hidden from the public, so their lawyers can speak to
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this person. The defendant see the person right and speak
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back to them in their own way when they get
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to testify, when they get to cr So I mean
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it's not hidden to the defendant, to the person who
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perhaps allegedly did these things. It's only hidden to the public.
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And like, yes, sometimes the conversation needs to be between
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me and you who did this to be and not
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have the whole world. It would be wrong, I think,
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to have only anonymous accusers, right, But sometimes in a
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complicated case like this with a powerful person, you're going
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to need to have some anonymous accusers or at least
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trying to be anonymous accusers or.
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Riba spoken to Ray spoken like a true lawyer.
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I want to give you a lot of kudos for that,
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because you're right, the knows who these witnesses are. The
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witnesses are sitting in the courtroom, they're on the witness
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stand and the defendants lawyers have an opportunity to cross
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examine those witnesses.
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They have an opportunity to present them with text messages and.
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Emails and all of the evidence that has been presented
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during this case. So there is no unfairness, there's no
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prejudice to the defendant by simply keeping the name of
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the witness out of public view. And a lot of
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times it is for the protection of witnesses. In many cases,
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these witnesses are facing peril, They're facing harm, They're facing
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the possibility of being intimidated, of being harassed, maybe even
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facing bodily injury just by coming into a courtroom testifying.
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A couple of days ago.
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On the show, we were talking about folks snitching or
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folks giving testimony about crime in their neighborhood.
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If we want people to speak up, if we want people.
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To help with the solving crimes, we got to make
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it such that they can do so and not be
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at risk for having bodily harm done to them or
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to their family members.
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You think that this is normal as far as the
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way things quite often go in courtrooms, as far as
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having I think we've had two anonymous defendants so far
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like giving significant testimony and the government puts up let's say,
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I think they were going to put up like twenty
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twenty five people, and then two of them are telling long, significant,
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anonymous stories like is that an unusual amount to you?
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It's not unusual at all.
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And keep in mind that Diddy has been charged under
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the Rico statue, a statue that used to only be
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associated with mobsters or the mafia. But we've seen prosecutors
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get real creative, like in the Rkely case, and use
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these RICO statues to claim that these individuals are using
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their businesses as criminal enterprises. And a part of what
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the predicate charges against Dittyr are arsons, bribery, extortion, sex trafficking. So,
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although he's not your typical mobster, the prosecution's cases that
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he is operating a criminal enterprise and engaged in criminal
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activity very similar to what we would see in a
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case against someone in the mafia.
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I mean, you know, when we think about somebody as
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allegedly dangerous as did He has been arson against kid
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cutty's car, home invasion, against kid cutting, kidnapping people. These
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are all things that he has been charged within some
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of the lawsuits he's charged with much more serious things.
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You can see where this is a dangerous, potentially allegedly
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arguably dangerous person, where these certain witnesses would say, I
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want to try to have to be a monoicum of
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a life after this thing, after this trial. They may
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need an anonymity to try to be able to tell
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the truth. But this case has made it really really
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complicated and send a horrible message to all the people
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in future trials who feel like they need anonymity to
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be able to testify, because we have seen how difficult
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it is to get anonymity in a big trial. Like
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both of the anonymous witnesses, their anonymity was blown online
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almost within minutes of them hitting the stands. So you know,
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I don't know what future people who are like wanting
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to move Okay, So I want to move on to
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another issue that is really really important, this brother Telvin Osborne.
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This is a different kind of justice story. Activists are
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demanding police reopened the investigation into the story of a
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white woman who shot and killed this brother. And I'm
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using that word advisably. He went viral for saying he
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preferred white women over black women, saying he'd rather be
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with a dog than with a system. Now, the question
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that I want you guys to deal with, and let's
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go to you first, dvtri Should we be fighting for
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justice for someone who is out here openly disrespecting his community?
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So kind of like we say, we're rooting for everybody
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black and everybody every brother is. But if this person
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is hateful toward the community, should we still be fighting
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for them or should we let him fly?
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I think even the fallen deserves fairness. The thing about
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it is, you can't call it justice if it's not
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a fight for everybody.
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Contrary to him.
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I hate the beliefs he obviously are preaching or preaching
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online because I'm on the whole other side. I am
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somewhere else. I am pro black women. But the thing
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about it is, if he wanted a dog over a
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black woman, he has his preferences. Obviously, freedom of speech,
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you can put it online. But the thing about it is,
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when we speak of justice and death, it's if we
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throw this out the window, we are advocating for them
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to throw justice out of the window every time. So
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I'm gonna say the fallen deserves fairness. Yes I have to,
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But I don't. You don't have to agree with the
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sentiments he was preaching.
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Dog, how do you feel about black people feeling activist
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Eig writing for somebody who's hating our community?
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Well, this is the thing, you know, this, this brother
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was lost in the sauce, and this because he's lost,
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don't mean that we have to be to hate your
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community is a direct reflection of his self hate, his
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identity crisis. To want to date outside your race is okay,
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that's just a preference. But to say that you rather
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date a dog than to date a black woman, that
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isn't a direct attack on black women, on the black race,
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and you happen.
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To be black, bro.
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And so it's unfortunate that he got at the hands
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of what he was choosing. But I do think that
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we still have a responsibility as black people to represent
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to bring justice to every Black person. Because of that
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one black man, his justice does equal win for us,
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and it is a representation of who we are as
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a as a as a black community, a culture, and
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a race of beautiful people who do fight for each other,
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who do deserve justice.
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And we do have verticalness for our people. We definitely do.
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I'm gonna saturate all ken folks, you know, are all
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skin folks I guess are not kenfolks. And of course,
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as an officer of the court, as a lawyer, I'm
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going to say, the criminal justice system should do what
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it should do. They should make every effort to hold accountable.
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And if this girlfriend did shoot him, not accidentally as
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she's claiming, then she should be held accountable. But look,
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we got a limited amount of energy, we have a
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limited amount of resources, and going out and protesting in
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the streets and you know, getting involved in civil unrest
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over this guy and folks that have disdained for our
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black community. I just don't think black women are here
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for it. And we did not see protests out on
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the street when this all law enforcement agency decided to
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drop the charges against his girlfriend. Folks just weren't there
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for this brother in that way. Now we're there for
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the criminal justice system doing what this should do. But protests, nah,
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I think we're gonna sit this one out.
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His family is divided. Some of them are saying that
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death is heartbreaking, which is any death is heartbreaking. People
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of family is also saying that he should not have
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behaved the way that he did online. That's obviously true.
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As Doc said, you want to date outside your race,
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that's fine, but the super hyper negative comments just to
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try to bring hate attention to yourself. I'm rather date dogs.
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That's ridiculous. You would not, that's disgusting. You shouldn't be
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even speaking like that. But yeah, I'm with a reve
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as far as like, we have a lot of problems
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and like to stop and put our energy towards somebody
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who was hating us, who was not participating in the
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community in any way, not in an energy way, not
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in any sort of intellectual way, like just hating on us,
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Like nah, bruh, you know you stood on that. That's
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where you lied. And then a white woman kills you
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when you say white women were better, Well, you know
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you learned tomet He learned. He learned the hard way,
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but he learned.
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And the thing about it is they say her father
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is a police officer. To me, you know, I don't
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want to pull away from who I am as a person,
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Like I said, even the fall and deserves fairness. But
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to some degree, my mother always told me, you live,
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you die by the sword you live by, and if
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you wanted to be there and that's how you die.
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That's just that's just what you needed, not what you needed,
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but that's what you know. That's the choice you made.
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It would have been a different story if he advocated
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for his community and stayed with his community, and then
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when an uproar happened, we'd have been right down beside him.
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George Floyd didn't advocate for us. And there's ways that
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you could say that his life was lived in a
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way that made us look bad, But he was not
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anti blood, like at least Gibby like like that, right
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and be like and we're not talking And when we
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talk about George Floyd, we're not really talking about his life.
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We talk about uh Breonna Taylor. We're not talking about
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her life. We're talking about the way their lives were
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ended when they met the police.
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Right.
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And you deserve justice when the state comes into your space,
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your proximity, be at your home or you on the street. Right,
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this brother is being actively anti black. And I don't
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want to see any black people killed for being black
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by anyone. So he is a victim of racism, even
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though he was a proponent of internal racism. Yes's internal
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racism all over the place. But yeah, no, I can't
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see anybody advocating and spending our precious finite energy on
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someone who is actively anti black.
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Can I talk, though, Toray about some of the legal
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issues here, because whether we protest or not, which we
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have chosen not to, there are some issues in this
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case that need to be investigated. This girl's, this girlfriend's
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story about cleaning the gun and accidentally shooting him that
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does not meet the smell test. I hope there is
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a further investigation. I hope that justice is done for
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this family, even though we may not take it to
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the streets, because it does not appear that this was
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an accidental shooting.
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It appears that they were having an argument.
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We know alcohol was allegedly involved, and I'd like to
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see from the investigators if this is a case where
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this woman should really be charged with a crime, rather
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than this case being dropped because perhaps she has some
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relationship to a sheriff in this community.
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Yeah, and this is a case that took place in Georgia,
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and we know Georgia is known for hiding evidence, in
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throwing rocks and hiding their hands.
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And with this woman, this lady's father being an officer,
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I truly believe that.
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You know, he had a big role in making sure
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that this investigation took a turn. Her charges were dropped
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when the legal system already said that the phone call
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and the evidence is very skeptical. So if it's skeptical,
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why are the why are her charges dropped? Have you
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proven that this gun fired off on accident? Have you
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proven that there's evidence to say.
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That she did not? Have you ruled that out right?
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So to me, is tricking. Georgia does this thing. And
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that's why I'm so happy. You know, I love my
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Atlanta love of Georgia, but I'm so happy I'm an
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La girl because they get to hiding and covering things.
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They do it everywhere, but Georgia has really even with
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the twins, Georgia doing that now, with the twins and
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their evidence, it just has to stop. And this is
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all systemic racism. And I don't think he got what
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he deserved. I just think that he got what black
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folks have been experiencing year after year after year, whether
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they're dating a white woman or not.
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And it's unfortunate.
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And hopefully t Arriva they can pick this case back up.
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And that's where I believe us folks that are black
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would have to be the ones that are participating in
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this to have them pick this case back up, because
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this black family deserves justice regardless of his position on us,
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and this lady deserves to do the time for the crime,
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the murder that she allegedly you know, was behind the
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trigger of Can I.
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Say that this is a cautionary tale black folks out there.
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That want to dog out your community. It is the
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black community.
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That gets these cases, the kind of high profile attentions
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that often will cause the police to go back and
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do an investigation. It is us taking to the streets.
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It's us using our social media accounts that often will
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cause police to reopen cases that they have closed. So
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if you want the kind of heat that we can
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bring as a black community for your loved one, tell
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your loved ones to quit trash in us. We are
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going to be there for black folks, but we.
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Also need them to be there for us.
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I mean, you think he's going to get justice, Dmitri, I.
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Ain't no justice coming from this.
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There's no justice because at this point, what he asks
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for and who he chose to live his life with
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have concluded their case and if black people aren't going
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to fight for it to reopen and rush the streets,
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there's nothing going to come of it.
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I think it's a done deal.
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I mean, I don't really I don't really want to
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see any black death be forgotten. And even if the
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person is racist, I still want them to be treated
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as a human being, which is perhaps more than the
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racists want for us.
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Uh.
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But you know, I want to keep an eye on
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this story and see how it goes. But I don't
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want to be marching and like riding for this brother,
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because you know, the anti blackness is too much. Like
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we've been dealing with so much anti blackness from white people.
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When I get it from black people, I'm like, okay,
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go ahead, go off with your white girl. Go to
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the trailer, you know, have a good time over there
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with that, you know, because don't don't bring that over here.
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The story is my girlfriend killed this guy. That's that's
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just that's what happened, regardless of whether the court says
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it or not. That's what happened.
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Actually, Get Out was a good movie about this. Back
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go ahead.
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I want to move on to our politic segment, uh,
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because it's actually really hurtful to see this going on,
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or reef. But there's Harvard canceling all its affinity graduation ceremonies.
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So there's no black graduation, no LATINX Latino Latina, no
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lgbt Q plus graduation. A lot of other schools follow
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Notre Dame, which tossed eight Louisville. Harvard's black alumni society
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came in and raised forty six thousand dollars on their
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own to held their own celebration and Arrivent's complicated. You're
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a Harvard law grad congrats on that. But like we
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see Harvard in one side fighting the good fight against
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the Trump fees, against DEI and the other thing they're
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dealing with, But then they seem to capitulate on this side.
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What do you think is going on?
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Look, two things can be true at the same time.
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Harvard did file a lawsuit against the Trump administration when
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other universities like Columbia University did not. When Columbia took
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a knee, Harvard did stand up. But let's not get
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it twisted. Harvard through black president, first African American female president,
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Claudine Gay just a year or so ago, under the
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bus drove it over her frontworst and backwards. Harvard has
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disbanded its DEI programs in the forum that many of
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us that went there know it. Harvard, as you said,
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cancel this affinity graduations. Harvard should not be apparuted for
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being some you know, institution that is holding up diversity,
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equity and inclusion so at the same time that they
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are suing the Trump administration. And let's be clear about that.
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That is to maintain its position, as you know, one
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of the world's greatest universities, is to maintain it's fifty
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three billion dollar endowment. It's to maintain it's you know tuition,
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you know, nearing one hundred thousand dollars for some students,
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and it's to maintain its business. But I am not
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at all persuaded that Harvard has a true commitment to
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black folks, to brown folks, to diversity. And I am,
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like mini graduates, really really disappointed in this university because
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with that fifty three billion dollars, it could tell Trump
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to you know, a kiss where the sun doesn't shine.
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You could do what Williams College is doing and say
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we don't even want the government's money if it comes
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with strings such as eliminating diversity, equity, and inclusion.
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It's not doing that. So no, Harvard doesn't deserve a medal.
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It's just doing what any company does, trying to engage
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in sell a preservations.
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Track a little bit conserve because I think that Harvard
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is trying to be there for black and brown folks
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and they are feeling like the Trump administration is attacking
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us in a very large way on multiple fronts. We
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cannot fight on every front at the same time. We
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have to let go on this so that we can
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fight on that and come back for this later. And
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now I know we don't like being let out, but
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like we can't have multiple wars going on at once.
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Go ahead, no to Ray.
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Either you're with us or you're not.
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And when times get tough, we need you to get tougher.
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We don't need you to a picture late.
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If Harvard, with fifty three billion dollars in this endowment
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can't stand up to the Trump administration, what does that
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say to any other university? And I'm not going to
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give it a pass by saying we can't fight on
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you know, multiple fronts.
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Don't agree with that.
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You can definitely fight this battle against the Trump administration.
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Williams College is much, much, much smaller than Harvard, and
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it's telling the administration, we don't want your dollars because
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they come with strings that are antithetical to who we
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are as an institution.
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So Harvard either.
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Supports black folks or it does not, and from its history,
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I'm not convinced that it does.
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And see the thing about it is that's a graduate
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speaking like that, like from that glass to tell you something.
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I think I used to hear a long long time
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ago when I was young, without a place to gather,
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our voices scattered. I used to hear it all the
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time when I was a kid, and it meant like,
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without celebration and memory and everything we're doing it, you
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start to lose tradition. It gets lost because Harvard is
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in itself attempting to keep tradition while erasing the.
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Core things that provided.
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And I personally agreed with Ms Martin for sure, the
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idea that if you're not with us, you are completely
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against us. Don't pick way, which way you're gonna fight,
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which hand you're gonna swing with, No throw the whole fight.
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Because Harvard is one of the richest institutions and if
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anybody could do it, they could do it.
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Doc I'm sad to see them the kids not have
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affinity graduations because I know how important that can be
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to be with your community. That probably helped you get
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through Harvard. On the last day of being a Harvard student.
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If you wanted to what y'all you would, and that's
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to Harvard. Anything you want to support, you're gonna support.
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And the fact that they're not supporting it shows where
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their position is on this issue. When it comes to
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black students, there was a fourteen to eighteen percent decline
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of graduates in their last graduating class of black students.
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That shows you their level of support for us. I
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totally agree with the Riva. You cannot partially support us.
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You cannot be in the gray area and support us.
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They're supporting are You're fucking not?
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And I think it's time for us as black people
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to draw square and stand on it and say, listen,
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when it comes to our issues, we tend.
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To protest and make noise and pull back and.
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Do all these things and guess what it benefits everybody
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and oftentimes not us. But then when it's time for
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us to have a black issue, this is the type
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of stuff that happens. Where is our support? Where are
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the people who are supposed to be allying with us?
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Where are the students and the Harvard partnerships and the
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people who were donating to the Harvard student of scholarships now?
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Where are they at now?
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Where are the folks who are donating money getting buildings
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with their name on it, and Harvard who were saying
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we support DEI when it was a financial.
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Gain for them. Where are they at? They're not here.
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Because everybody wants to be a nigga until it's time
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to be treated like a nigga. That is the problem
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that I have with this situation.
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Straight up.
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They all like the culture until it's time to feel
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the fight of the way of being the culture.
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No, you fight with us or you're not. That's just
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what it is.
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It's always a good segment when we could quote Paul Mooney,
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everybody want to be a nigga till it's time to
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be a nigger. Thank you for bringing that up. I
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love that. Fantastic conversation. I want to move into our
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main topic, which should also be a fantastic conversation. The
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US census has changed how it counts people. Thank you
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hair meniac for rolling with us today. The twenty twenty
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census marked the first time that biracial and multiracial people
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were allowed to choose more than one race, but after
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reports of inflated numbers, the Census is recounting and fixing
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the census based on what government workers assume is dominant.
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That sounds weird. Some say this is erasure of us
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and ignores the fact that many Black people have more
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than one identity. Listen to this.
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I don't know who needs to hear this, but Afro
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Latinos have told y'all, right, biracial black people have told y'all,
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and other black people have told y'all over and over
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again that mixed black folks exists. Okay, As someone who
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grew up with West Indian roots and African American roots, right,
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those are different cultures, I am allowed to say that
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I am ethnically mixed, Okay. Mixed Black folks don't have
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to be biracial to be mixed.
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Right.
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It's a very interesting point about the ethnic complexity of
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our community, and the census here is flattening all of
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that nuance in modern America of mixed people, which is
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so much of what makes America what it is. So
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in the current way or the new way, the census
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is going to do things. If a single white mom
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lives with her three biracial kids, all four of them
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may be counted as white, like ugh, whatever, which is
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perhaps driving toward changing the numbers because white people are
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very afraid that we are moving toward a minority majority
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country by twenty thirty five twenty forty. So we're in
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America where if you have a hint of brown in
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your skin, you're black. But now how they're trying to
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erase diversity, perhaps to boost the number of white people
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in this country. Doctor b you're biracial. Was it significant
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to you when the census started letting people choose more
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than one race?
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Yeah, I'm multiracial, and I have a kind of a
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two part perspective on this. I think that people have
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the right to identify what they want identify with. Why
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do I say that, because as a black Mexican and
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French Creole person, I would always mark black, and my grandmother,
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who was French Creole, not Black Creole, French Creole, she
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would get upset with me and say, baby, you also
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are Hispanic and French Creole. I'd like for you to
736
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represent that as well. And I would always tell my
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grandmother Mariah, I'm like, okay, but I identify as a
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black woman, right, But my mother, who was Mexican and
739
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French Creole, will say, you're black, You're black, You're black.
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So what am I saying is that for me, I
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think it's important for me to figure out what I
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identify with and have the right to check what identify
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with now. In regard to it making it a black
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and white way world and trying to decipate everything in between,
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I do think that that is going to attempting to
746
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create an identity crisis. It's attempting to make other races
747
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inferior to the black and white. And to your point, right,
748
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:18.599
it is definitely an attempt to raise the numbers of
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white Americans and so that they can take those numbers,
750
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:24.960
use it for statistics, and do what control the narrative,
751
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:28.679
control media, and then control all of the services, products
752
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.880
and resources they are attempting to push out based on
753
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:34.719
the stats and surveys that they have created.
754
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Absolutely, you're biracial. You are getting pulled in both directions.
755
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Lots of biracial people talk about this. They have two
756
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different sides of them, or maybe three different four different
757
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:51.239
sides of them, and they feel both an affinity towards
758
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:55.280
the different sides and also sometimes people pushing them, saying, well,
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you're not white enough, you're not black enough, you're not
760
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:02.760
Latino enough, Latina enough. Ever. Lenny Kravitz actually is one
761
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:06.519
of the more famous multiracial people who has been really
762
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courageous in talking about how this is landed in him
763
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roll at Lenny Kravitz video.
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In school, you'd have these things you'd have to fill
765
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out sometimes, you know, and it's race, and there would
766
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be like, well, okay, my great grandmother's Cherokee, Indian, my
767
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you know, my father's a Russian Jew, my mom's Bahamian.
768
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:33.239
The hell do I put on this thing? But then
769
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the teachers may come over and black you know.
770
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Arena we see in his story in doctor B's story,
771
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:46.559
just the complexity of being multiracial. But then a world
772
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:48.519
that wants you to say, no, you're just one thing.
773
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Do you think this census choice, this changed by the
774
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census is some sort of attempt to raise the number
775
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of white people in this country.
776
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So before answer this, I know you're gonna call me
777
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sinister because.
778
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You've used that word throughout the week that I've been
779
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:10.079
hanging out, but cynical. Yeah, so I'm gonna say that,
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which you're gonna probably characterize the cenecal.
781
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Again.
782
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Absolutely, this is nothing but white supremacy at play. This
783
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is nothing but an administration attempting to increase the number
784
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of white folks and to claim people who are biracial
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as white, and to convince biracial people that it is
786
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better to be white, because we know we've been taught
787
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throughout history in this country be anything you can be
788
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but black, because anti blackness is so pervasive, not only
789
00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:44.519
in white culture, in Latino culture, even we know in
790
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:48.079
our own community there are sentiments of anti blackness that
791
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are still so prevalent. So, yes, this is an attempt
792
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to increase the number of white folks, and it's dangerous
793
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to raid. You know why it's dangerous because if white
794
00:40:56.239 --> 00:40:58.960
folks either don't have to check a box, or if
795
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:01.000
they get to check all the white boxes, that we
796
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are never going to get to equity in companies, equity,
797
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and organizations.
798
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:09.440
So this right for diversity, equity and inclusion is so.
799
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Tied to this whole census thing, because if the company
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is all white, then why do we need to.
801
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:19.079
Do diversity equity inclusion? Why do we need a diversity
802
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:22.039
equity inclusion officer? Why do we need policies? Why do
803
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:23.320
we need procedures?
804
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:26.039
Because we don't even know what the numbers are, So
805
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:27.559
we better wake up, we better.
806
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:28.320
Pay attention to this.
807
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.679
This is huge and it's something that's not getting a
808
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:32.960
lot of media attention. So I'm so glad we're talking
809
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:36.679
about it on the show today because it's a huge issue.
810
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:40.880
You know, white people are definitely an oppressed class dealing
811
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with lots and lots of racism in their lives, so
812
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:45.840
we definitely have to make sure that the world works
813
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:48.480
out for them. But oh, there's another side of this
814
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:51.559
that I want to bring into because social media.
815
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:52.960
I saw this.
816
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:55.079
TikTok the other day that kind of blew my mind.
817
00:41:55.159 --> 00:42:00.320
This sister raising the point that biracial people with a
818
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:04.960
black mom are different, see different, look at blackness differently
819
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than biracial people with a white mom.
820
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:12.960
So I believe that that it is true. It is
821
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very true.
822
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:19.639
The way that people perceive the world is based on
823
00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:23.159
learn behavior, and now studies have shown and you know
824
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:26.800
that when a black child is raised with a white mother,
825
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they are they experience less identity crisis, They feel and
826
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perceived to be more accepted by society.
827
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:37.599
Than a black and white child that is raised by
828
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:39.559
a black mother has.
829
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:40.360
More of an identity crime.
830
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:43.079
Not because the black mama did anything wrong. We're talking
831
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:47.679
about their experience of having a white mom who has
832
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:52.800
already a very organic, innate white privilege. We're not saying
833
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:56.079
she's racist. White privileged mindset and way of raising that
834
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:59.519
child gives that child a different optics and perception of
835
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.599
the world of themselves. That child is watching that white
836
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:05.000
mom go into the world and be accepted, go into
837
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:07.199
the world and be respected, go into the world and
838
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:10.440
have a different privilege, versus that child watching their black
839
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:13.039
mother having to fight a different battle. This is all
840
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:15.480
learned behavior. Now, I'm talking about conversations that these parents
841
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:16.920
are having with their kids at home.
842
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:20.039
That black child starts to see the optics of Wait.
843
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:23.119
A minute, I'm identifying with mom and these issues and
844
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:27.960
these encounters and how she's perceived and disrespected or respected
845
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:30.320
or on her disowner in the world. And so they
846
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:35.199
have a different perspective. My parents, my mother is not
847
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:38.880
a black woman. So this is just real story. I
848
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:41.519
can relate to that. Meaning I had a real, big
849
00:43:41.559 --> 00:43:46.679
problem y'all with understanding racism as a young girl. It
850
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:49.320
took me literally to get into college and get my
851
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:53.199
African American Studies a degree. And I was in that class, Toraye,
852
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:55.639
and that whole class attempted to tear my ass up
853
00:43:55.679 --> 00:44:00.679
because I was saying to them, I respect race, but
854
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:03.480
I never experienced it firsthand, and.
855
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:04.559
They were attacking me.
856
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.199
Not but they were attacking me saying, what do you
857
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:08.239
mean you're black?
858
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:10.480
Are you disconnected from your black rules? What I was
859
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:14.679
saying it was no, right, I hear you. I'm like no, But.
860
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:17.280
I'm giving you my experience from one being raised in
861
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:21.519
a household with two women who again Hispanic and French Creole.
862
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:25.559
There wasn't racism that happened to be impaired or issues
863
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:28.000
we talked about in our household. And I didn't see
864
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:29.760
them go out into the world. And I'm just being
865
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:33.239
on and have a certain struggle that I was able
866
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:37.239
to see my father's mother, who's black have, So it
867
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:38.480
is it's very different.
868
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:42.400
Y'all live in Compton, right, No, we live in.
869
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:45.360
Sam Pedro, which is a community in Los Angeles. We're
870
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:49.079
from Los Angeles, Witty La Natives, Sam Pedro.
871
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:54.639
I don't know about to see that later roller video
872
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:58.239
that my friend Chris made on TikTok's just get into
873
00:44:58.239 --> 00:44:59.880
that issue.
874
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:03.519
Children who have white mothers tend to be more exposed
875
00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:08.639
to internalized racism and colorism because of the lack of
876
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:11.280
intersectionality among white feminists.
877
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:14.440
People like, yeah, children with white moms tend to be
878
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:16.119
a little anti black.
879
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:18.679
And I was like, shure, I got a white mom.
880
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:24.119
I will admit that there was some definite anti blackness
881
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:27.320
black stuff when I live with my white mom.
882
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:29.280
And my grandmother sees my brother's shirt and he's wearing
883
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:31.119
a shirt that looks just like this with Malcolm X
884
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:35.119
and the rifle, and my grandma is like, really, Malcolm
885
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:41.559
X with a gun so violent? True. I respect all
886
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:44.840
those people's opinions, all those people's lived experiences, and I'm
887
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:48.119
sure that everybody who has these mixed situations, as they
888
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:52.119
express their blackness, perhaps maybe their white family will be like,
889
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:55.039
we don't understand, especially people from the older generations, like
890
00:45:55.119 --> 00:46:00.239
we don't understand. Fine, but we're really doubt on if
891
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:03.079
you have a white mom and a black dad, you're
892
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:06.079
going to be different than if you have a white
893
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:09.920
mom and a black dad. And I don't know if
894
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:13.840
I see any consistency within that, because like, if you
895
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:15.760
have a white mom, and I think the things that
896
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:17.840
doctor B said that the white mom is giving you
897
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:20.679
are correct, But that sister, that child also has a
898
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:25.639
black dad, you know, who's also giving you blackness from
899
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:28.440
his perspective. So I'm not sure I see a consistency.
900
00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:29.760
But what do you see?
901
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:32.719
Well, it's interesting because I posed this question to my daughter,
902
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:36.360
who's a gen Z and asked her because I immediately
903
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:39.679
said that I think that a kid that grows a
904
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:42.760
biracial kid that grows up with a black mom is
905
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:45.960
probably treated differently than a biracial kid that grows up
906
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:48.280
with a white mom. So I asked my daughter Morian,
907
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:51.599
what did she think, and she said absolutely positively, not
908
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.199
that amongst her peer group, you know, young twenty year olds,
909
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:57.719
that they didn't see a difference, that they didn't see
910
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:00.000
a difference between the color of the mind.
911
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:02.440
Whether it made a difference, and I think I'm going
912
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:03.039
to date.
913
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:05.519
Myself some it made a difference in my community growing
914
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:07.519
up in a black community because we didn't have a
915
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.639
lot of fathers around in the community. So those black
916
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:15.360
moms were holding it down for biracial kids. And I
917
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:18.800
don't know, in that day, your mama was the central
918
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:21.360
point of your family. So if your mama was black,
919
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:23.960
you were black, and of course the father being black
920
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:25.960
in America, you were also considered black.
921
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:26.960
But I do think there was.
922
00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:30.559
A difference between those biracial kids who had black mothers
923
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:31.760
versus those that did not.
924
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:36.400
To beat you. I wonder if forcing or asking biracial
925
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:40.480
people to make a choice, be it socially or with
926
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:44.199
the census or what have you, is that working to
927
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.280
divide the black community in general?
928
00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:50.920
You know, man, I just love to I just love
929
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:51.800
to be the maniac.
930
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.280
So like for me, everybody black should just put white
931
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:56.960
only just check it white, just fucking numbers.
932
00:47:56.679 --> 00:47:58.360
Up because they are already gonna suck them up for it.
933
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:00.239
So let's sucking up some more. That's your me.
934
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:03.440
But now in actuality, of course it is. Of course,
935
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:06.440
it does a ton more harm than good. I look
936
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:09.599
at it, like, what plagues my mind when we actually
937
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:10.760
have these conversations.
938
00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:12.000
From what I've.
939
00:48:11.840 --> 00:48:17.039
Seen, the world loves mixed babies, but like eight mixed personalities.
940
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:21.039
Like it's cool visually, and then the moment it becomes political,
941
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:24.239
it's a problem. Like that's what I see in my
942
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:26.440
community when I look at our own people. But for me,
943
00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:29.480
the whole thing about the black mama and the white mama,
944
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:34.239
and it gets I think it's about what we've seen
945
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.760
in our own cultures. Like in black culture, the black
946
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:41.039
mother is a backbone, like she's everything for a black household.
947
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:44.159
A white mother it's often different at times. She doesn't
948
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:45.800
have to be to protect her. She doesn't have to.
949
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:48.360
The black mama gotta be everything. And there's a level
950
00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:52.159
of culture that a black mom instills in those children
951
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:54.679
that a white mom we question if they can.
952
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:57.960
So of course it's automatically going to be different.
953
00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:02.079
Of course, very hard, I mean, but I see what
954
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:07.599
he's saying, and I understand that moms have a critical
955
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:12.119
role in our lives in terms of teaching us about
956
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.079
culture and tradition and like, you know, rooting us in
957
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:18.280
what being part of this community is about, be it
958
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:22.320
you know, our community or other communities. But dads are
959
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:26.599
also very very important in treated in teaching people about
960
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:30.000
in teaching children about culture and community and tradition. And
961
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:33.119
I think we're selling the dads a little short. If
962
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:35.119
you think there's a consistent thing about if you have
963
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:37.039
a black mom, you're going to be like this, is
964
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:38.639
even a white mom you're gonna be like this. There's
965
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:42.159
a there's a black mad in half of those situations
966
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:44.599
that are that there also talk to the children about
967
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:46.039
this is how you be a black person.
968
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:48.320
And I'm glad you brought that up to ray because
969
00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:51.559
there are some studies out there this show, despite how
970
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:55.239
black beds are malign in the media, that black beds
971
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:58.519
are the most engaged demographic when it comes to, you know,
972
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:01.840
doing homework with their kids, kids are being involved with
973
00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:04.480
their kids. Now, we don't often, you know, lift up
974
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:07.440
black fathers as you're trying to, you know, suggest in
975
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this conversation, but there is a lot of data out
976
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:11.480
there that shows there are a lot of black dads doing
977
00:50:11.480 --> 00:50:15.079
a lot of great stuff. But the reality is a
978
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.000
lot of us, and I'm one of them, grew up
979
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:19.880
without a black father in the household, and so it
980
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:22.599
is that black mother that we look to that was
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00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:25.239
the pillar of our families, that the pillar of communities.
982
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:28.719
But I think back to my daughter Morgan's point, Younger
983
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:32.440
people don't necessarily see it in the same way that
984
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:34.679
our generation sees it.
985
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:38.440
For her, they don't see race as we even see race.
986
00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:40.440
So when I brought this whole sensus question up to her,
987
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:41.880
she's kind of like scratching.
988
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:44.159
Her like, huh, Like y'all still tripping on over that?
989
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:48.760
Like so I think, Dmitri your generation, you're probably closer.
990
00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:50.280
To my daughter's age. I don't know.
991
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:52.280
I don't know if you all are tripping on race
992
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:56.159
the way we perhaps did some years ago to b treat.
993
00:50:56.000 --> 00:51:00.400
What do you think about how in your relationship in yours,
994
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:05.760
how moms teach blackness? Have you like, like we talk
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00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:07.599
about that what you've see, because that's what we're getting
996
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:10.119
down to, are if you're the only person, you're only
997
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:12.119
black person, and you're the black mom, you're the only
998
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:16.039
black person in the parenting, are you teaching them more blackness?
999
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:21.039
I think the thing about it is, I if you're
1000
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.320
looking at me in my life, I've turned out more
1001
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:26.639
like my mother than anybody else, Like exactly how the
1002
00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:28.920
world treated my mother, whether it was good or bad,
1003
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:31.079
it's how it shaped me to be. So if I
1004
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:35.000
saw the world being disrespectful towards my mother.
1005
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:37.639
I saw it to be the protector of that.
1006
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:39.920
That's what instilled it in me when I saw my
1007
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:44.039
mother had no place to voice her own opinions and
1008
00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:46.159
her thoughts and her issues of what she dealt when
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00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:46.960
when she was younger.
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00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:48.800
I became that safe space to talk to.
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00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:50.159
So I just think how.
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00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:53.920
Pivotal a mother is in the household.
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00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:56.079
We drastically undervalue.
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00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:59.280
As a black father, I don't think that's not particularly
1015
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.159
the conversation where haven't But as a black father, I
1016
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:03.119
don't think.
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00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:05.360
I turned out more like my dad, and my dad
1018
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:11.719
was present at Reva's daughter's point that race is less
1019
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:15.559
important to you, your generation, your peers that it has
1020
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:17.559
been to me in a rebus.
1021
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:23.639
I agree. I absolutely agree wholeheartedly. And I don't think
1022
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:26.639
it's me now. I'm speaking outside of myself because I
1023
00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:28.440
have a you know, some would say I have a.
1024
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:29.840
Pretty mature mindset.
1025
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:33.880
But like for those thunder even in school, race is
1026
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:34.840
being taught less.
1027
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:39.000
It's not that they care less. It's not at the forefront.
1028
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:41.639
Like when I was in eighth grade, racism was here
1029
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:44.320
a smack in the face. We watched videos who Martin
1030
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:46.800
Luther King and Malcolm X was and all these things.
1031
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:49.519
Now they just put posters up on Black History Month
1032
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:52.039
and say that's who that is, but never explain the
1033
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:54.519
significance of these people. So the thing about it is
1034
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:58.960
it's being pushed out of our generation, not necessarily us
1035
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:03.519
not caring, but they're not. You have less people signing
1036
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:05.079
up to be in the NC.
1037
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:08.440
You know, what do you think of this notion that
1038
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:13.800
the younger generation Dmitri and Taylor, they're thinking about race
1039
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.280
less than we were.
1040
00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:19.199
Well, I think it's to Dimitri's point, but I don't.
1041
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:21.559
I think it's a subjective depending on the household you
1042
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.360
lived in. My household, again, we did not have a
1043
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:26.480
predominantly black household.
1044
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:27.679
Of course there was black people in.
1045
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:31.679
It, and are my mother, who was the mother or
1046
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:34.719
the anchor, the big mom of the house, she wasn't
1047
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:38.039
a black woman. She was literally French creole. She was
1048
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:41.679
not Black creole. And so for my optics, we I
1049
00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:43.760
did not. I love when you said this, Dmitri about
1050
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:46.440
learning how to be black. I did not learn how
1051
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:51.840
to be black from my household because my household wasn't
1052
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:55.400
a black household. I'm biracial, right, multi racial. I learned
1053
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:57.880
how to be black from my friends that were black.
1054
00:53:57.960 --> 00:53:59.639
This is just I'm giving you a real perspective of
1055
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:03.199
multi a multiracial. My father was this is my point
1056
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:07.000
to right, he's a black man. But during the developmental
1057
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:10.840
ages of a child, we are reared and leaning and
1058
00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:14.440
more dependent on our mothers. That male or female doesn't
1059
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:16.480
matter who it is for the most part and less
1060
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:18.480
the father is a single father, the mother's in the house,
1061
00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:20.719
that child is more dependent in the developmental ages on
1062
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:22.880
their mother. So what I'm saying is I learned how
1063
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.880
to be black outside of the house, and I brought
1064
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:28.320
in questions into the house. And my family was very
1065
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:30.920
good with answering those questions because they knew they had
1066
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:32.639
a multi racial little girl I had.
1067
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:35.719
I had questions about my hair. I have questions about
1068
00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:37.760
how do I show up as a black woman.
1069
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:40.000
When I first became a therapist, I went to an
1070
00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:42.519
all black psychologists conference, and this.
1071
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:43.079
Is a true story.
1072
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:47.079
I walked out, called my grandmother and said, Mom, I'm uncomfortable.
1073
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:48.039
She said why.
1074
00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:53.599
I said, because I feel over It feels overwhelming, oversaturated,
1075
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:54.400
and I feel.
1076
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:54.840
Out of place.
1077
00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:57.440
And she said, baby, but they're all black. I said,
1078
00:54:57.480 --> 00:54:59.880
I understand that, but I don't know how to.
1079
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:03.880
And this is just a real representation of being multiculture
1080
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:07.239
that everybody doesn't feel like they fit in because.
1081
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:07.760
You are split.
1082
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:10.639
You do have different races, and if you're not raised
1083
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:14.320
by a black mother or a full breaded black household,
1084
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:17.039
then you do have a different perspective and you do
1085
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:19.599
have to figure out, like I did, where do you
1086
00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:21.800
fit in and being black? How do you fit in
1087
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:24.599
being black? And lastly, hold on, how do I fit
1088
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:28.440
in as a black woman? And so those are pivotal
1089
00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:30.440
points for me where I had to realize, wait a minute,
1090
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:32.079
and then when I figured out hold on what it
1091
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:34.639
was to be black? You're girl with all the way
1092
00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:37.719
proud pro black, you know, It's like I'm like, yo, this.
1093
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:39.119
Is what we love.
1094
00:55:40.159 --> 00:55:44.559
We feel your pro blackness through the screen on for sure,
1095
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:47.079
like every week as a young girl terrain.
1096
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:48.519
I have to be transparent with that.
1097
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:52.599
I have to learn to identify with this because I
1098
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:55.719
also didn't talk about racism and black and white and
1099
00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:56.440
all these issues.
1100
00:55:56.480 --> 00:55:58.239
They just didn't. We just had love and.
1101
00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:00.440
We had family to work. That's what I want to
1102
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:03.239
talk about. I want to talk. I want you to
1103
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:05.679
talk a little bit about your development as a black
1104
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:10.559
person from a mixed household. I want to bring Tracey
1105
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:13.039
Ellis Ross in this conversation because he's an amazing mixed
1106
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.239
person who I love so roll at video real quick.
1107
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:26.000
I feel very honored to have had the opportunity to
1108
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:29.159
represent black women, and I've taken it with a lot
1109
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:33.320
of responsibility. And it's really important to me that we
1110
00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:36.360
are able to be seen with the humanity and the
1111
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:39.679
power and the beauty and the all of it, but
1112
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:43.599
really the humanity that we can be all the things.
1113
00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:49.119
Shai, how did you learn to be a black woman
1114
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:52.519
which you were alluding to before as a biracial woman,
1115
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:57.559
and how does your non black mother help you get there? Right?
1116
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:00.559
And So I was always a black woman, right and
1117
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:04.880
who I am in here, but culturally, culturally, I had
1118
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:08.920
to learn what that culture looked like for me. And
1119
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:13.639
I wasn't always accepted fully by black women through K
1120
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:14.280
through twelve.
1121
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:16.719
And that's just the truth. I was either you know.
1122
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:19.559
Not black enough or too black for the Mexicans over here,
1123
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:21.039
and I am trying to fit in with the white people,
1124
00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:22.639
and I wasn't trying too I'm just keeping it real.
1125
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:26.719
So I had to really figure out what my identity was.
1126
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:29.639
And once I figured out what that identity was, which
1127
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:32.320
is now a vertical and who I am, there became this.
1128
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:34.880
Extreme powerful black woman thing and the last ye I'll
1129
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:35.320
land on this.
1130
00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:38.000
When naacp my branch approached me and asked me to
1131
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:41.320
run for president, most people would have jumped to the opportunity.
1132
00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:42.800
No what I told him, I said, I need to
1133
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:43.320
pray on it.
1134
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.880
I need to sit on that to see to make
1135
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:49.760
sure I can really be in service in this position
1136
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:52.119
because I want to represent and I want to serve
1137
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:54.639
in the right capacity. I want to make sure that I,
1138
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:57.119
as a Black woman, would be able to represent our
1139
00:57:57.239 --> 00:58:01.559
black culture and community collectively in the right way. Because
1140
00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:04.559
I knew that I had come from a place of again,
1141
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:06.079
we had like a hippie household.
1142
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:08.519
It was another It was family and that was all
1143
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:08.960
we needed.
1144
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:12.119
We didn't talk about this person's white, this person's black.
1145
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:14.760
So when I said in my class in college that
1146
00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:20.320
I had an experienced racism, I was very naive to racism.
1147
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:23.800
I had to learn it to I had to see
1148
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:24.760
it in my.
1149
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:28.239
Adult age to really understand the pain behind it and
1150
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:30.280
have a different perspective of our people.
1151
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:33.000
And that's the truth, because when you're not raising.
1152
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:35.159
A full black home and you don't get to really
1153
00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:39.360
understand the nuances, then you don't have the experience, and
1154
00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:42.039
words don't teach experienced us. And I have to take
1155
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:44.320
my words, go get my experience, and here I am.
1156
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:48.199
I mean, there's no black person who has not experienced racism.
1157
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:49.599
It's not a white person coming up to you and
1158
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:52.519
saying the N word. We are here in America because
1159
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.920
of racism. Systemic racism impacts all of us, whether or
1160
00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:59.079
not somebody actually says these words to you where the
1161
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:02.679
police beats you down because you're black. But Arriva Black
1162
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:08.320
mothers are critical to teaching blackness and putting us on
1163
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:11.159
the road to being proud and being representing the community.
1164
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:13.159
What do you think about all that?
1165
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:15.639
No, one hundred percent black mothers.
1166
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:16.559
I'm one of them.
1167
00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:20.039
We are a rare breed and we do set the
1168
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:22.119
standards I think for the culture for our communities. But
1169
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:25.760
I don't want to discount black women like doctor b
1170
00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:29.559
and my good friend Kamala Harrison, other biracial Black women
1171
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:32.599
who stand in their blackness because we know, there's an
1172
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:35.960
effort by the Trump administration, by Donald Trump himself to
1173
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:39.119
define who is black, who gets to say they're black,
1174
00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:41.280
and who's not black. And we have to make sure
1175
00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:45.360
in our community that we are embracing women and men
1176
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:49.679
like doctor b like Kamala Harris, like anybody that defines
1177
00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:53.639
themselves as black, because we and these individuals they get
1178
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:57.320
to define themselves. We cannot let Donald Trump or Maga
1179
00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:01.239
or anyone define what blackness is is in our community.
1180
01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:05.800
So great conversation about blackness. Keep on standing in your blackness,
1181
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:08.119
doctor Be, and we as a black community got to
1182
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:13.840
keep accepting that blackness comes in many shades, many forms,
1183
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:18.079
and many expressions. And it's not just the black mothers,
1184
01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:19.639
although I'm one of them and I read for the
1185
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:21.880
black mothers, but there are a lot of white mothers
1186
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:24.760
and Mexican mothers and Asian mothers and other mothers that
1187
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:26.840
are raising strong black people.
1188
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:29.320
And I'll be a black as well. Read with you
1189
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:32.000
at some point, which is an interesting concept to be
1190
01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:33.960
a black mama that wasn't raised by one. That's a
1191
01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:34.960
whole of the conversation.
1192
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:39.400
Yeah, yeah, no, But the blackness that you've learned from
1193
01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:43.000
your community, from your mom, who clearly loves black people,
1194
01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:45.719
from your dad, from the people in your life has
1195
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:48.199
flowed into you, and we see how a mixed person
1196
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:52.719
can be as pro black and as radiating black energy
1197
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:56.320
as any of us. And I read you just spiritually,
1198
01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:58.920
just energy wise, as like a black person. And I
1199
01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:02.000
think I can feel so people who feel themselves very
1200
01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:05.519
much in to communities and some people who don't, and
1201
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:07.920
both those choices are fine, And like, just from what
1202
01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:10.480
I know of you, I feel you shis like you're
1203
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:13.760
with us one hundred percent. And I love that, And
1204
01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:17.239
I love people who make an affirmative choice in their
1205
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:20.639
life to be in with the black community because I
1206
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:23.719
you know, I want people to be actively choosing us,
1207
01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:27.119
because it's an amazing community and this culture is everything.
1208
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:31.000
This show has been everything. You guys have brought the
1209
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:34.480
spirit and the funk. I really love the energy and
1210
01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:38.519
the courage and the heart you guys brought today. So like,
1211
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:41.280
congratulations and thank you for bringing everything and just laying
1212
01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:44.840
on the line today. That is our show. Like common
1213
01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:48.519
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