Sandra Birchmore Case: Matthew Farwell Murder Charges | Michele McPhee

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This October 5th, jury selection will begin in the federal trial against former Stout and Police Officer Matthew Farwell, who's charged in the death of Sandra Birchmore, who at the time was 23 years old and she was pregnant.
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This case has gotten our national news.
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With us today is senior editor of LA magazine.
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She is the author of Mayhem, The Sarnov Brothers, the FBI, and The Road to the Marathon Bobbing.
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She's also a podcast host and executive producer of Kingdom of Fraud and Mayhem with McPhee.
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Please welcome investigative reporter Michelle McPhee.
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Michelle, we finally got a chance to do this.
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I know.
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I'm so excited.
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It's so nice to be with you.
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Well, uh, this case is actually this is perfect timing because, like we said in the uh introduction here, we have jury selection.
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Now, this is a federal trial, folks.
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So this is this is going to be a little interesting because this kind of like wasn't on the radar for many years.
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Which is kind of astonishing because this case is so wrapped up with the Karen Reed trial that we know made international headlines and became a phenomenon, just like we're watching right now with Lindsay Clancy.
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But this case kind of flew under the radar for a while.
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But I think out of all of these cases, this one is the most intriguing because it goes back to a little girl who was 12 years old looking for male guidance, looking for mentorship, and she entered the police explorers program.
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And that's when she met this allegedly corrupt coterie of police officers.
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And I think for you and I, it's especially heartbreaking to think about cops that are responsible for these sort of heinous allegations.
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Yeah, no, this is this is beyond intolerable.
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I always said anything against young children and senior citizens is off the books.
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I mean, that's something like where you lock people up and throw away the key because there's no excuse for this stuff, especially when you're in a position of authority and you take advantage of somebody.
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And and this is this is probably one of the worst cases that we've probably seen in regards to that.
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Well, it seems that this police explorers program, and I know we're going to get into the details of the case, but you know, there was somebody right here in California who was locked up very recently for another allegation of hooking up with a minor.
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And I think that we need to take a hard look at this program and like, okay, what's the point of this?
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We're putting, you know, um young girls in harm's way.
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It's unfortunate because this is a program that works for well, but it's run by the Boy Scouts of America.
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So I think there's some eyebrows to be raised right there.
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Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.
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Do you think this case only came to light because of all the stuff and all the allegations and corruption stuff with Karen Reed case?
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So we this is what we know.
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Sandra Birchmore, as you mentioned, was a 23-year-old pregnant teacher's aide.
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On February 1st, 2021, there was a nor'easter in Boston, just like the John O'Keefe case, the Boston cop who Karen Reed was accused of killing and was later acquitted on those charges.
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Sandra Birchmore didn't show up for work.
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And on February 4th, the Canton Police Department did a well-being check at her home in Canton and found her deceased.
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And what raised alarm bells, at least for the FBI, is that police immediately ruled this a suicide.
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Now you can speak to how unusual that is.
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The cops don't walk in and immediately say, Oh, this is a suicide without some sort of evidence, uh, at least an autopsy, at least Emmy's ruling.
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But on day one, her aunt got a call saying, We found Sandra, she killed herself.
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Uh, they had she allegedly used a duffel strap from a U.S.
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Army duffel bag.
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She had briefly uh enlisted in the Army, and then they find her with one end of the strap around her neck, the other end around a doorknob.
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It's like a scene out of the Sopranos.
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This is not a usual way that someone could commit suicide to begin with.
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So right away there were unanswered questions.
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And one of the biggest unanswered questions was almost immediately, we know, that friends and family of Sandra Birchmore called the Student PD, they they called uh other investigative officers in the Norfolk County DA's office and said, Look, you guys should take a look at this guy, Matthew Farwell.
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He's married, uh, he's been sleeping with Sandra for years, and Sandra was telling everyone that Matthew Farwell was the father of her child, her unborn child.
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Not to mention, Matthew Farwell was the last guy to be with Sandra Birchmore, you know, on the night of February 1st, which we now know is the night that she died.
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And yet somehow, and I think this, you know, you and I both have experience with the NYPD.
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I can't imagine a scenario where the detectives on if there were allegations swirling around an NYPD cop, I'm pretty sure the precinct where he worked is not going to be the investigative body.
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But in this case, Matthew Farrell was a Stoughton police detective.
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He his cases were brought to the Norfolk County DA's office.
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These are buddies, friends, colleagues.
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You know, this is a very tight-knit self-shore community.
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So he was essentially questioned and never brought to uh any charges by people he spent his daily life with.
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These were his closest friends, these were his colleagues, these were the people that he hung around with every day, and they immediately ruled it a suicide.
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And Matthew Farwell got a pass until the FBI, as you mentioned, started sniffing around in the John O'Keefe case in 2023 and found these alarming allegations about Sandra Birchmore.
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Right.
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And this ironically happens on February 1st, is the same night that his wife was giving birth to what, to their third child.
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Well, this is what's so intriguing.
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How do they not think this is odd?
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Matthew Fowell drops his wife Michelle, who he married one month after he is accused of taking Sandra Birchmore's virginity when she was underage, which in Massachusetts is the crime of statutory rape.
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So he allegedly, according to federal prosecutors, raped Sandra in April of 2013.
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He married his wife, Michelle, in May of 2013.
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The Stought Police Department put out this big celebratory announcement.
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Congratulations, Matthew and Michelle Farwell.
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And by the time of the night of this murder, Michelle Farwell was about to give birth to the couple's third child, the son.
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So he drops her off at a Boston area hospital, drives through a blizzard to Canton, where Sandra Birchmore lives, he tells his colleagues, his friends, his buddies, the detectives, that, hey, yeah, we had a fight, no big deal.
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Uh, I don't know, you know her.
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She's 5150.
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She's a little crazy.
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And that apparently held water.
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But the idea that somebody would drive through a blizzard to have a fight with a longtime lover, victim, depending on your point of view.
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The defense attorney would say she's a lover.
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This is all consensual.
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Federal prosecutors say she was a grooming victim.
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Either way, he went to Sandra Birchmore's home.
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We know this to be true.
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We have video of him entering the building, and then he drives to the hospital in the same clothes he's captured on CCTV surveillance video, where his wife gives birth to their third son, who ironically is the son that he was with when he got arrested, I believe.
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It was one of his three kids.
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He was arrested in August of 2024, not by the Norfolk County DA's office.
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He still hasn't faced any state charges, but he is charged federally with the murder of Sandra Birchmore, the murder of her unborn child.
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And you know, the I think the tough knot for prosecutors to prove is that he killed a witness.
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So she was clearly talking about the crimes that she had suffered at the hands of Farwell and allegedly his twin brother, who was also a stone police officer, their buddy, Robert Devine, who was also a police officer and is now an attorney, still an attorney, which is shocking despite these allegations, and the town's animal control officer.
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I mean, can you imagine this?
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All of these men who have now lost their jobs or who have not been arrested yet.
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It seems to me that this could lead to additional charges down the road.
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Uh, when you're looking at this group of cops who exchanged videos of Sandra Birchmore and who is uh now accused of grooming and abusing her for years, uh, if the feds are involved, I'm thinking there could be some sort of civil rights or human trafficking case coming down the pike for the rest of these guys.
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Yeah, I think there's a lot of uh sleepless nights going on over there.
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I mean, when you read this case and you start looking at it for the some of the people that are involved or allegedly involved in this, they they have to be like wake up all night because you know the feds always are lurking anyway, but they they happen to do like one case at a time, too.
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So they do one case, they get it out of the way.
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Uh, I mean, the prosecutors won some big motions in the last couple of weeks, right?
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The the big one was allowing her text messages in because the defense was saying this was hearsay, but uh you know, she's now deceased, and the judge is like, uh, yeah, no, this is this is going to be allowed in.
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Yeah, that was a huge win for the prosecution because Sandra essentially left like a like a breadcrumb trail of what happened to her, you know, from the time of the alleged statutory rape all the way up to the days before the murder.
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She even told one of her friends, hey, Matt's been acting pretty weird.
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He came over here and took a look at like at my closet door where she was found hanging later.
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You know, he was acting a little weird.
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All of a sudden he's being nice to me.
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I don't know what's going on.
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So she left clues that would eventually lead the FBI and federal prosecutors to lock him up.
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Clues that apparently were overlooked by his colleagues in the Norfolk County DA's office.
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And and then the other twist is this army sergeant, was it Jason Picard?
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Jason Picard.
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Yeah, we broke that story LA magazine that he was the dad.
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Yeah, tell us about that.
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Yep.
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So here is where I think there could be possible problems for many people down the line.
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And today, the prosecutors just today said we have a bombshell witness, we'd like to identify that witness under seal.
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So we know that Jason is already going to be a witness, so it's not him.
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There's some other bombshell witnesses coming into the party right now.
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Um, but Jason was all of these guys, and uh were a part of a really well-known and renowned National Guard crew, so they were all friends.
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Matthew Farwell, his twin brother William Farwell, um Jason Bicard, and others were in this National Guard unit, and that's how they all know each other.
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Sandra, the reason she joined the police explorers program is because she was looking at a career in civil service.
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She wanted to be a cop.
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And we know that you get some extra points on the civil service test if you serve in the military.
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So she was hoping that signing up for the army would help her out.
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Well, she washed out, she had asthma, she wasn't up to the task, but she maintained this relationship with a recruiter, not necessarily her recruiter, but a recruiter in the office where she had signed up, which is Quincy.
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And that guy was friends with the Farwell brothers.
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And allegedly, according to the uh Turtle Affairs report that was commissioned by the Stoughton police chief, Donna McNamara, who we also know is going to be a witness for the prosecution in this case, Donna McNamara's report commissioned, uh, states that they were exchanging videos of Jason's encounter, sexual encounter with Sandra Birchmore, and Matthew Farwell's defense attorneys let it leak at a hearing in recent weeks that he was the father of the child, not Matthew Farwell.
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So the the Fed's theory is he killed her to keep her quiet about this kid.
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The kid wasn't his anyhow, but it doesn't matter.
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Like this is all still leading up to you know, Matthew Farwell's career was going to be over if she talked.
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And one of her friends had already called the Stoughton Police Department just days before her murder, saying, Hey, you guys need to look at this Matthew Farwell guy, he's a piece of garbage.
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Sandra owes me money.
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There was some sort of dispute with this girl, and this girl called the Stoughton Police Department to anger Sandra.
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This is part of a little tiff, but she told the Stoughton Police Department about Matthew Farwell's longtime affair with her.
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Yeah, no, and so I mean it looks as if, like you know, allegedly Farwell kills her because he thinks the baby's his because she's been telling him it's his.
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She's been telling him it's him, she's making demands.
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I want your name on the birth certificate.
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I want you to be there when he's born.
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You know, you have to be a part of the baby's life.
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And he he was panicking.
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You know, his wife is literally about to give birth to their third kid.
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Uh, the job gets a call, his job gets a call.
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He is furious.
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He actually, I think, had some sort of argument with the dispatcher who took the call, and now this is all mounting, mounting, mounting.
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And the federal prosecution believes that that is what led him to strangle her to death.
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Uh some of the other bombshells that came out in the recent hearings is he had just attended a class as a detective for the Stoughton Police Department on hangings, you know, uh murder by hanging.
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Ligatures and stuff, yeah.
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Yeah, ligatures and stuff.
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So, you know, we know that.
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We know that among the evidence that was missed by his colleagues was a necklace that had been apparently torn from her neck and was laying on the rug when her parents went to the house.
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When I'm sorry, when her aunt went to the house to, you know, clean up the mess and figure out what to do with her her beloved cats.
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They find this necklace that was clearly, you know, ripped from her neck during whatever altercation took place in that room.
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What federal prosecutors call an altercation.
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Um, prosecutors again, prosecutors have a case that's so good that the U.S.
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district, the federal judge, called the evidence overwhelming.
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But the defense can say, look, you know, they they investigated Matthew Fowler for four years.
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The cops who were first on the scene, the medical examiner was pressured into changing her ruling.
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So they're gonna say he was never charged.
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This is just the feds.
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You're going after a cop.
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So it's gonna be interesting how this all plays out, but we've seen what's happening with you know police narratives, especially on the South Shore of Massachusetts, and how well believed they are by juries these days.
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Yeah, I think if that's the road they're going down, they're gonna have a tough road to hoe because right now those police departments, Canton, Stoughton, uh, the Massachusetts State Police have zero uh what's the word I'm looking for?
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Credibility, yeah, credibility.
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I mean, Proctor was Proctor involved in this case too, I think.
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I think peripherally, just because he was in the Norfolk County DA's office at the time, but there are direct correlations to Oak Keefe with uh Sergeant Mike Lank was one of the first people on the scene when Sandra died.
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Um, John Fanning, who was in charge of the Karen Reed jury, was pretty much acting as the lead investigator in the Farwell case.
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What Fanning should have um Fanning should have had an out because he used to be a Stoughton cop.
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So he could have gone to Michael Morrissey, the DA, the district attorney, and said, Look, this one maybe we get some outside people to come in and talk to Farwell.
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Everyone's saying he did it.
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It's a complete conflict of interest.
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He was on the same job.
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They played hockey.
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He played hockey for the Stoughton Police Department.
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These these overlaps were not distant or uh unrelated.
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These were friends, like you know, you had Pete.
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It would again, you know, I don't I don't can't imagine.
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I worked at one police plaza and NYPD for 10 years.
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I can't imagine if a guy in a precinct was being eyed for in Brooklyn South.
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Do you think Brooklyn South is going to handle the homicide?
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Would that ever happen?
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Yeah, no, I mean this would have been an internal affairs thing for sure, and that would have been the end of that.
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But uh, this is this is all crazy because I think Trooper Dunn, right?
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He was Karen Reed, and also in this case, too, from the beginning.
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He was also in this case, too.
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We have the Alberts.
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The Alberts were, you know, Kevin Albert was there from Canton PD.
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I mean, it's gonna be fascinating.
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Look, we know for a fact that um Sean Good, the sergeant from Canton police, who just got fired, or just stepped, sorry, he resigned before he could be fired, so he could get his pension.
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Shocking that that guy's getting a pension considering the stuff that he and Proctor were writing.
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But one of the things he was he was maligning Sandra Birchmore, you know.
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I think he used a Boston term that used to be popular, but not so much that begins with an R that Mark Wahlberg got in trouble for using.
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One of those words.
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Yeah.
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Or Matt Damon got in trouble for using.
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So, you know, Liz, they definitely were talking about the Sandra Birchmore case, and the feds have everything now.
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So I just cannot imagine that there's not going to be uh some sort of steamroll effect once the Farwell case is over.
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Uh I'm shocked he's taking it to trial, to be honest.
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You know, but but they took the death penalty off the table.
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What does he have to lose?
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He's gonna go to trial and take his chances.
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Yeah, and I well, I guess by leaking or however they, you know, if the Sergeant Picard's name comes out, that's gonna be there.
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Well, he's the real father, so he's the one.
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It was done with an army duffel bag, right?
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I mean, that's where the defense is gonna be headed with this, that they're gonna try to pin it on this guy Picard and they got the wrong guy and everything else.
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I mean, that's the only thing I can think of.
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Yeah, I think you're probably right about that.
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They're gonna they dropped his name on purpose in court, even though we had already known we had known his name.
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I don't know.
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I think um, I think Picard, who's serving overseas the last I checked, so he's still in the U.S.
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Army.
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Uh Picard, I think, has a rock solid alibi, like I was in Iraq, you know, like oh, and I'm not saying that's true, but I believe that he has some sort of rock solid alibi that he was nowhere near Canton, Massachusetts on the night that Sandra Birchmore died.
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Yeah, I mean, and I I and I know he didn't know he was the dad.
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This was like a to him, it was a hookup.
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It wasn't our relationship.
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Yeah, and plus there's video surveillance of the guy coming in and coming out.
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I mean, you can you can tell who it is, but you know.
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Well, that's the other thing.
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I mean, he was clearly trying to disguise himself because what was going on at that time in Massachusetts was a a vehement brawl between police unions, correctly or not, but police unions and the governor's office, Charlie Baker's office, about vaccine mandates.
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And the police unions were apoplectic that guys were getting fired, what women were getting fired from their job for not getting the vaccine.
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So Barwell was a police union official for mass cops, which is one of the biggest ones, and very tight with spam and spam leadership, and that's the state police union.
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And, you know, I think um that he walked in with this mask and his hoodie up and avoided the cameras said a lot.
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This is not a guy that was just gonna go break it off and tell her to cut cut the crap.
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This was a guy who had a plan, and he went in there with a plan to cover his face and commit a crime, the evidence suggests.
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So it's gonna be interesting.
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That's gonna be a big part of this case, is this whole COVID face mask that he walked in with.
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But it was clearly Matthew Farwell.
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And you know who found the video tape?
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Not the Norfolk County DA's office, the building manager called and said, Hey, I have a tape of a guy walking into our house right around that time.
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So they weren't looking for that tape very hard.
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They got a call about the existence of the tape and apparently had no choice but to pick it up.
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Yeah, I mean, and then they have uh within hours later, he's got a basically the same surgical mass on mask on holding his son.
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And uh, you know, I I mean you just kind of shake your head.
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I mean, it's I think that I think the defense has an uphill battle.
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Oh god.
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I don't envy.
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I don't envy their position.
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Like I said, so it was Picard allegedly that shared these videos and photos of it was him and Sandra with the unclear who sent the videos.
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It could have been Sandra herself who sent them to the brothers.
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Let me put it to you this way: one of the one of my longtime sources who worked this case put it to me exactly like this Michelle.
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What I saw, I had to go to church and wash my eyes out with holy water.
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The things that these men were asking her to do to degrade herself.
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Now remember, you can you can go into shaming the victim, but in this particular case, she was a little girl who went into a program where men allegedly immediately began to groom and abuse her.
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We know through text messages that Matthew Farwell bragged about taking her.
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Virginity when she was underage.
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So this is a girl that had problems.
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And then these problems were exacerbated by her connection to these men.
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And so she may have shared these videos with the Farwell brothers as part of the continuing abuse that they were bestowing upon her.
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Do this to yourself, do that to yourself, take a video of it, send it to us.
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And they were sharing these videos.
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So, I mean, what does that say?
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I it when I say it out loud, I get disgusted because I know so many cops.
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And I am shocked that this kind of thing went on with police officers.
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It just really is astonishing.
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And the fact that they shared it on their job phones, they shared it on their like, what did they think?
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Like these guys were meeting her on duty for these sexual encounters.
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So even right there, there's theft of services.
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Like, there's so much I think you and I can agree is gonna.
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I'm with you.
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I'm sure there are a lot of sleepless guys out there right now that if anybody had anything to do with Sandra Birchmore, and kudos to the police chief, Donna McNamara, who caught wind of this, commissioned an IAD report completely independent from the job.
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They she went to out to retired guys who were, and let me be clear, you know, we we say a lot about the Norfolk County State Police.
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In the end, the state police, even though they were retired guys, solved this case.
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Like they dug up the evidence, they were horrified, they talked about washing their eyes out with holy water.
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They I had a friend of mine, a longtime friend, said, Michelle, I I boxed up all my state police t-shirts and burned them.
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I was so I'm so embarrassed by this.
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So we can't paint the entire job with this brush of these, you know, accused dirtbags.
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I think they're it's worth mentioning that old timers were the ones who uncovered all of the evidence that led to the federal prosecution, along with uh female FBI agent who was going to take the stand in this case as well.
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Yeah, those, but those guys as retired old timers, different generation, different kinds of cops, you know, and then when you see what they have working now with between the proctors of the world and everything like that.
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I tell you, I think there was a governor here at Healy.
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Healy, Haley, the Haley has done nothing to address this at all either.
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There was a the the head of the state police was a temporary chief or superintendent, whatever they call him.
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Colonel, yep.
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She had a chance to remake the state police, and she hasn't.
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You know, you have to think, these guys, the state police are also her own personal bodyguards.
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So they have they have dirt on everybody, including her.
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And she had there were allegations about her own personal life that you know the state police would have intimate knowledge of because they're with her all the time.
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You know, they they drive her, they sit outside her house, they know everything.
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So who knows what they have on Morahealy?
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But my opinion is she should be embarrassed at how little response she has had to this absolute horror show that took place, especially in the Sandra Birchmore case.
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Karen Reed was a grown woman with a career and a job.
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Sandra Birchmore was a child when this began.
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And the and the lack of outrage from the governor's office that this was allowed to happen, and the lack of outrage that this case languished with this alleged killer running around still with a badge for years after Sandra Birchmore was found dead.
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I I think that you know, the I think the voters of Massachusetts should make Mara Healing answer to that.
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You would think they would, right?
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But um, I don't have any I don't get involved in politics, but the politics up in the Northeast is absolutely crazy.
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I I mean this whole case just makes you nauseous.
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I mean, when you take a look at this.
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And like I said, without the Karen Reed, I remember when during Karen Reed, when they were to when there was whispers of the FBI, everyone thought it was about the Karen Reed trial, but it apparently was all about the Sandra Birchmore case.
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It's all about the Sandra Birchmore case, it always has been, and that's why I've been covering the story for so long.
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You know, as I did a big piece for Boston Magazine, I've done dozens of pieces for Los Angeles magazine.
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Like this is a case that touched me personally because you look at this kid, she's defenseless.
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Her mother was dead, she was being raised by an aunt, you know.
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Um, she finally was pulling her life together.
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And by the way, even the day, her, the last day of this girl's life, there was zero indication.
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They're gonna try to say she's nuts and she's 5150, and she had a history of suicidal uh thoughts.
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But if you look at the last day of her life, this this girl was very excitedly planning for the future of her child.
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She was setting up cat care for her the day that she was gonna give birth.
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She was, you know, setting up photos for her newborn baby.
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She had a load of laundry in the washing machine.
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If you're gonna off yourself, do you put in a load of laundry?
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I mean, I'm not thinking about my laundry if I'm thinking about taking my own life, right?
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So there was just so much evidence that there was nothing about Sandra Birchmore that suggested that day she was suicidal.
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And if you look back through the police reports, it's very telling because almost immediately Sergeant Mike Lank from the Karen Reed case and others, Trooper Dunn, walked in and wrote things on the police report that I think if it if you found a man's body, you wouldn't say she was untidy, very untidy.
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It's an untidy place.
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Like, what does that have to do with the price of apples?
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You have a dead girl here, you know, her phone hasn't moved since February 1st.
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Clearly, she had been dead for days.
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This should have been processed as a crime scene.
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But instead, the Emmy's office shows up, takes her body out.
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There's no there's no DNA, and now we know that Farwell's DNA was on the murder weapon or on the alleged murder weapon.
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And her underwear, too, right?
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And in her underwear, right?
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So they didn't process the this as a crime scene.
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And what I found especially galling is that in the police reports, when they interviewed Farwell, they referred to him as Matt, not Detective Farwell or you know, Matthew Farwell.
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I mean, it just showed a chumminess that I think is unusual in a police report.
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I don't know what you think.
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But when you're interviewing somebody who's been named as a possible suspect, you don't say, hey, Matt's a good guy.
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Yeah, this whole case thinks.
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Uh Sinead had a great question.
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She says, Do you know if this is going to be televised?
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No, it's federal court.
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No, no TV in this, which is unfortunate because I think it would get way more attention if it was televised.
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But this is a federal case, so there's no federal, uh, there's no cameras in the courtroom.
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But you know what?
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This U.S.
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attorney's office, I have to say, is excellent with the media.
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And usually, when I'm Los Angeles, trust me, when you ask them for exhibits in a federal case, they look at you like you just said, can I stab your mother at midnight?
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You know, like there's there's no such thing as like, you know, an exchange of information or exhibits.
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You know, during the Boston Marathon bombing trial, which I covered, and as you know, wrote a book about during the Whitey Bulger trial.
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This office is on it when it comes to at the end of the day, they release the exhibits that were entitled to evidence.
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So there are some visuals which hopefully will keep you know the public spotlight on this case because it deserves it.
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This is something that we should all be looking at.
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How did this happen?
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And how did somebody um who look at the very least, there was a lot of means and motive for this guy.
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He had a key to her house, he had a motive to kill her.
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At the very least, he should have been taken seriously as a suspect.
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But instead, this was open and shut.
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This girl had no family, she had nobody to beat the drum for justice for her.
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So I think it was they really thought they were gonna get away with it alleged, this allegedly, but the Karen Reed case happened and that blew that out of the water.
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But you know, to your point, if Karen Reed didn't happen, would the feds have ever been sniffing around this?
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I think Donna McAmara knew a lot.
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I think that she is determined to make sure people pay for this.
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I think it embarrassed her department.
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She got fired for no reason because she cooperated with the FBI.
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So I'm I am very excited to fly back to Boston and see Donna McAmara on the stand because I give her a lot of kudos for finding really good private investigators who were state police, old school guys, the real deal guys, and these real deal guys pulled together anybody who reads the IAD report from the Stogton Police, and it's out there, you can just read it yourself.
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You will be astonished at what they uncovered that was missed by the homicide detectives who were supposed to look off as Sandra Birchmore and everyone else in Norfolk County.
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Yep, it's it's absolutely awful.
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If you're just joining us now, we have senior editor of LA magazine, Michelle McPhee, and we are discussing the Sandra Birchmore case.
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The medical examiner.
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Okay, we know that the medical examiner was allegedly bullied by Proctor and his crew during Karen Reed, right?
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Where they're saying, like, did you they wanted her to put certain certification of death, and in this case, she changes her mind from the matter of death of suicide to undetermined.
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Just well, I think it's two different Emmys.
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So it's the office uh it's the chief, it's the office of chief medical examiner for Massachusetts.
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So there were two different MEs in this case.
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This uh Dr.
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Capo Martinez was the name of this one.
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And my sources in Massachusetts say, look, she could only go with what she had.
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They never brought her evidence of anything other than a suicide.
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So they didn't say, well, the last guy to see her alive might have knocked her up.
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You know, well, the dude who came to her house was wearing a COVID mask, even though he was super anti-vaccine.
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Well, you know, uh the strap was never, they didn't have it, he she didn't have anything from them other than this immediate, immediate diagnosis of suicide that came from the cops.
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So it took her a few months, but when in the end, what did she have?
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So she said, okay, asphyxiation was the was the cause of death, and the manner of death was suicide, which was changed earlier this year, as we know, to manner of death undetermined, based on the new evidence that was brought to her by federal prosecutors.
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Now I'm sure she's gonna be ripped apart by both sides in this case, but you can only go with what you have, right?
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And and that's why I would brought up the first thing because what happened in Karen Reed with the medical examiner, same thing is good, the same story is gonna come up with her now, right?
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It's the same office, right?
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And from the prosecution side, they're gonna say that she was basically pigeonholed into doing this as a suicide because of that, and right, and just remember Proctor.
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I remember that whole conversation.
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I think it was Procter, right?
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He said, Hey, you couldn't like basically convince her otherwise, you know.
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Well, that's just Procter would that was in the Karen Reed case, but in this particular case, you know, the the defense is making that argument.
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They're saying the feds made her change this diagnosis.
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Well, I have sources in that office, and I think that you know her career is destroyed, for one, this poor doctor, and two, the direct quote from somebody with direct knowledge of this case was she could only work with what she had.
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And there are emails in the IAD report with the retired Stadies where they try to get to the bottom of it.
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Like the ME is asking the Norfolk County DA for information and not getting it.
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Asking for information, not getting it, asking for information, not getting it.
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So she waited months before she finally just said, okay, fine, suicide.
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But I think it was pretty clear that she wasn't convinced and was asking the Norfolk County DA's office for more information and wasn't getting it.
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And that's proven out in the emails.
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Robert Devine, is it Robert Devine?
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Yeah, the deputy chief, believe it or not.
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The ex-deputy chief.
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Ex-deputy chief.
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When he started abusing Birchmore, he had already been demoted because of another sex scandal he got into.
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He got a woman that he had an affair with, he used the Norfolk County DA's office to arrest her and ruin her life.
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So he had already been caught up in a scandal, he had already made these false allegations.
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He sent this poor girl to jail when she ratted him out to his wife, who was also a police officer.
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Uh, this is all contained in the IED report.
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This is in, you know, this is in writing.
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He had been demoted from deputy chief to a cop again because of this first sex scandal, and then he gets involved in the second sex scandal.
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And Devine was the guy who brought the police explorers program to Stoughton PD in the first place.
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Right.
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And they took about four people from Stoughton, right?
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So you got Matthew, his brother William, Robert Devine, and who was the fourth?
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The animal control officer, Joshua Heel.
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Okay.
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And Joshua Heel admits to having consent what he calls, what he calls consensual sex with Sandra in the animal control office in exchange for an adopted cat.
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So these are men that use their positions of power, and and you know, I I want I also think that it's important to note that a lot of this might not have come out with the feds, and also there was uh an attorney in the on the North Shore of Massachusetts, Stephen Marulo, who got a call from Sandra's aunt, Darlene Smith.
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Like, I don't believe this, she wouldn't have committed suicide with Catholic, like that's the other thing, too.
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Like, the people don't understand the devastation of that.
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When you tell, you know, a practicing Catholic that your pregnant niece just killed herself and her unborn baby, that has an effect if you're faithful, and they were faithful, and they never believed it, and they fought back hard and went to a guy Stephen Marulo, and Stephen Marulo blew up this can of worms when he filed a civil suit against the town of Stoughton and the police department, and that and then that gave the ammunition to Donna McNamara to hire the retired guys to go and do a real investigation, which is exactly what happened, and now we know the outcome.
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Matthew Fowell's in handcuffs.
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I think perhaps his brother and others are gonna be soon to follow, unless Billy made a deal because he is on the Fed's witness list, right?
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So let's maybe he's avoiding prosecution, right?
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By testifying against his brother.
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For the for the prosecution's witness list, are they are there any you think potential bombshells that come out of this?
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I mean, I'm I'm really curious about who is so big that they had to seal it.
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That that to me, I'm I'm racking my brain.
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Who could this possibly be?
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I mean, who knows?
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Matthew Farwell's wife has never been seen again.
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You know, she never filed for divorce.
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I've never been able to find her.
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You know, she's sitting there with wondering.
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She's living with a guy that federal prosecutors have a lot of evidence that he was into children, and they cite a lot of evidence about his porn site, his porn search history.
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:46.719
One of the most horrifying things that one of my sources shared with me was he would punish this is in writing, we know this from court records.
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:52.239
He would punish Sandra with brutal sex and tell her, I'm gonna do this to you, I'm gonna do that to you.
00:37:52.400 --> 00:38:06.400
And one of the things that he was obsessed with was rape fantasies, and in one of them, he told Sandra, I want you to call me Joey and pretend I'm your brother, and that's the name of his own son.
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:08.239
That's the name of his own son.
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:11.199
So if I'm Michelle Farwell, how do you live with this?
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:12.559
I mean, so I'm curious.
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:15.280
I'm not saying it's her, I'm just who could be bigger.
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:18.639
We know Jason Picard, the father of the kid, is going to testify.
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:20.800
We know Billy Farwell is gonna testify.
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:28.239
Okay, maybe he made a deal with prosecution to give up his brother to avoid his own, you know.
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:34.639
Uh I think he's he's very exposed because he definitely had theft of services.
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:38.960
We know he was hooking up with her, he hooked up with her 10 days before she died.
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:40.400
Billy Farwell.
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:47.039
We know Divine, he didn't admit it, but he definitely got jammed up for having sex with her on the job.
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:48.639
They were meeting up in parking lots.
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:50.880
So, right there, you know, we have theft of services.
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:51.920
So, did they make a deal?
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:56.320
I don't know, but it's gonna be interesting to see if Matthew Farwell has any friends left.
00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:59.119
Who's gonna take the stand in his favor?
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:04.079
I can't imagine anyone, even his fellow cops, who's gonna say, Yeah, this was this was a good guy.
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:11.280
He hooked up with the girl from the police explorers program when she was 15 years old, allegedly.
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:17.119
Yeah, no, I mean, you would think that nobody would come to his aid, right?
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:23.519
I mean, at this point, especially when you hear about what you had just told us in regards to you know, though those kind of fantasy stuff.
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:28.960
I mean, you would say to yourself, you would want to distance yourself as far away from this person as possible, you know.
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:34.239
Um, well, I know the mass cops is not happy every time I mention the fact that he was a union official with them.
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:45.360
They didn't know, you know, they just he represented the stone police department for the for this particular union, but they're like, Can't you just forget about the mass cops?
00:39:45.920 --> 00:40:06.719
They are good, you would like to, but this it's a big part of the story that look, this guy was a powerful union official, which could have played a role in this entire because of the timing, because Sandra's murder happened when they were in this battle with the state house over COVID COVID and vaccine mandates, and Farwell was a powerful figure in this fight.
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:08.079
Did he get a pass?
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:18.239
I don't know, I'm not making any allegations, but I do know for a fact that his attorney was the attorney for the union for the state police for spam.
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:22.239
So, you know, his first attorney was Spam's attorney.
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:26.480
So that I think that's a tie that you can't deny.
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:35.599
No, I mean, besides the cell phone records and the internet, uh, the the video surveillance, do you know if there are any other internet records besides you know his searches on online?
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:38.159
Was he were they doing anything like that?
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:45.920
Well, we know that they uh also got into evidence um Sandra's diary entries, so her manual diary entries.
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:52.400
I mean, look, this here's the thing we know that this uh Nick Rarino, this is an interesting one that I haven't really figured out yet.
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:55.920
Nick Areno, you know, was very central to the Karen Reed case.
00:40:56.239 --> 00:41:01.840
He was the tech guy that came up with the Jen McCabe haws long to die in the cold.
00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:07.199
Um, you know, he was pivotal to the prosecution in the Karen Reed case.
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:18.800
Well, Nick Areno was the guy who also failed to locate 30,000 text messages between Farwell and Sandra Birchmore that were on Sandra Birchmore's iCloud.
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:29.360
But weirdly, Nick Areno is now a civilian working for the Norfolk County DA's office in the technology as a you know forensic expert.
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:33.119
And he is gonna testify on behalf of the prosecution.
00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:35.119
So even that's a weird little tie.
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:36.880
Like, what is Nick Areno gonna say?
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:37.679
Did they give him a pass?
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:43.440
I don't know, but maybe he tried to take this evidence to the Norfolk County DA's office.
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:53.840
And I do know there were people who wanted to do the right thing in Canton that that said, hey, we got to bring this to a grand jury, we got to at least present evidence.
00:41:54.159 --> 00:42:02.239
And Michael Morrissey's second in command, who then resigned abruptly, refused to sit this case.
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:06.320
And I think that those are some of the questions that are gonna need to be answered.
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:22.400
And I'm curious to see who in Michael Morrissey's office, maybe it's Morrissey himself, who's one of the sealed witnesses, but there's got to be people in the Norfolk County DA's office who are gonna be called from either side to say, why didn't you present a case against this guy to a state jury?
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:28.639
I'm I'm assuming there's going to be a whole bunch of police officers that are going to be dragged into this.
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:30.639
As like, what did you know about this?
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:40.159
I mean, there has to be, especially if the internal investigation reveals certain people knew something or text messages or phone calls between him and the other cops.
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:43.519
I mean, this could this could take down an entire department.
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:55.039
Well, it's interesting because we do know that the dispatcher who took the call from Sandra's friend didn't report it up the chain, but called Matthew Farwell and said, Hey, dude, just so you know, I just got this call.
00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:00.079
So, right there we have a breach of protocol for the very at the very least.
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:10.320
And uh what we know from the Norfolk County DA's office is that for months they interviewed Matthew Farwell.
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:13.840
Uh he refused to give up his DNA.
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:21.119
I Farwell was very aware that he was a suspect, though, because I I do know that they attempted to get his DNA.
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:27.280
They followed him around for months, trying to get his DNA for at least for a match to the what they found on the murder weapon.
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:30.880
And he was, my source says, extraordinarily careful.
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:32.960
Like he wouldn't throw out a Dunkin' Donuts cup.
00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:35.039
He would he he was meticulous.
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:36.880
They never got anything out of his trash.
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:38.400
That was, but they tried.
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:48.480
They really, so the IAD investigators absolutely tried to link Farwell to this murder with DNA, but he refused to hand over his DNA.
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:50.960
So there's that part of it as well.
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:57.599
Now, the DNA that was recovered from her underwear and the I think it was the carpet, and then they had the ligature.
00:43:57.679 --> 00:43:59.760
Did they when did they get all of those things?
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:04.400
Did they were those things right from the beginning or were they then after the fact?
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:16.400
It sounds to me like, and I have no proof of this, but it sounds to me like this was recovered by the when they brought in a new ME, Michael Baden, the very famous one who was doing you know ground zero and and big cases.
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:21.760
When he came in and said, Hold on a minute, there is no way this was a suicide, the way her neck broke.
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:28.719
Then the FBI started to gather their own evidence, and that's when the DNA was recovered.
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:33.440
So I think that timeline is going to be a big question for these cops.
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:34.880
Why didn't you get the DNA?
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:38.559
How is it possible that you didn't find the broken necklace?
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:41.519
How did you not find what was in her underwear?
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:47.840
On the rug, on the rug, like there's just a lot of in even the way she died.
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:55.519
It's do you remember there's the Sopranos episode where Polly Walnuts, I think, slammed a door on a guy to strangle him?
00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:59.920
Yeah, you know, like even that, it's almost impossible for somebody.
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.920
Can you imagine a young girl pregnant trying to do that to herself?
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:09.440
She ties one end of a duffel bag strap around her neck and then slams the door, and that's enough force.
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:11.039
That doesn't even make sense.
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:12.000
Does that make sense?
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:14.480
You've done homicides, you've been working these cases before.
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:15.440
Does that even make sense?
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:17.679
As a well, this was this was the thing.
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:24.639
As soon as I when it came on my radar, I had kind of poo-pooed this whole thing from the beginning before this thing even kind of took off.
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:32.880
Because one of the things about doing shows, and people say, Hey, did you see what's going on with the Sandra Pershmore case when we were following Karen Reed?
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:34.719
And this was like kind of an offshoot of that.
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:39.679
And people, you're trying to keep yourself, you know, occupied on both of those things happening at once.
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:53.920
But I'll tell you, uh I am not impressed about what's going on in Massachusetts at any level, not only with the Reed trial, this case, and of course the Lindsey Clancy case, all this is a giant mess.
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:59.840
I mean, look, I I hate to keep saying it because I know a lot of excellent, especially Boston police.
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.719
Boston police have been, you know, unimpeachable in this.
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:05.679
And I know a lot of great state police investigators.
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:12.719
However, to your point, I go back to my years, the 10 years I spent at 1 PP for covering the NYPD.
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:20.960
First of all, the clearance rate was off the I mean, it's just the level of professionalism is is not comparable in any way.
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:28.239
This case would have immediately been shifted to someone else if it involved somebody you know that other cops knew.
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:32.639
I just I can't imagine any of these circumstances happening in the NYPD.
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:44.880
You know, we've definitely had dirty cops scandals, but it wasn't like this, where there was dirty cops and then, whoops, let's see what we can do to help out our friend, which is what this what the police reports read like.
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:49.119
Matt is a good guy, so and so says.
00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:54.320
Like uh I mean, it's just stuff I've never seen on an official police report before.
00:46:54.639 --> 00:47:02.559
In I think it was in 2015, I did a couple of interviews with the Enterprise News, which is the local paper, and this was about the divine case and all that other stuff.
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:04.400
And I got some hate mail, you know.
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:06.239
Oh, yeah.
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:08.320
I got anonymous hate mail way back when.
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:19.119
I don't know if I still have it, but I had done a lot of articles about the police departments up there, but also, you know, because it was about the woman that she had gotten arrested and a couple other crazy things that had happened over there.
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:24.000
Yeah, there was the guy who went to the strip club to see a midget that he was obsessed with.
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:25.599
A little person.
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:28.960
That one, that's a Stoughton police scandal, too.
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:35.119
It was a little person he was that was stripping at the Foxy Lady on duty.
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:45.840
He went to the strip club to see the little person, and you know, this is before social media, but he took a picture and showed other guys and you know it got around, and that person got fired too.
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:50.639
There's been a bunch of scandals in the Stoughton Police Department that are pretty alarming.
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:56.239
Then they got a great chief who really wanted Robert Devine to be fired, Paul Shastony.
00:47:56.480 --> 00:48:09.039
Paul Shastney was a is a squared-away cop, and he was the chief of the town for a while, and he went to the board, the same board that fired Donna McNamara and said, Look, we gotta get rid of this guy.
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:10.800
He he locked this girl up.
00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:13.679
He he abused his power, like we need to get rid of him.
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:17.599
They would not get rid of him, they would only agree to demote him, and Shastney quit.
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:22.480
That's how furious he was at the way that they handled the Robert Devine case way back then.
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:32.239
Yes, I and I was I was part of those articles too, because he was the the people of Stoughton were saying, like, why is this guy still on the payroll?
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:35.119
And that was part of the whole that was part of the whole thing in there.
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:37.760
So if you if you have a chance, you go over there and you read those articles.
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:39.840
I will, I definitely will 2015.
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:43.039
Yeah, just search for my name and and those guys, uh it was bad.
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:45.039
But yeah, I can imagine.
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:50.800
What do you think we expect uh in regard to the next week now when we have this jury selection?
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:52.559
I think it's gonna take a long.
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:53.840
I this is what I predict.
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:57.679
It's gonna take a while to find jurors who had never heard of this case, for one thing.
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:04.000
And that's one of the arguments that defense attorneys made this week, asking once again for a change of venue.
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:06.480
They had asked for this in March, it was denied.
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:14.159
Judge Denise Casper, who I watched her throughout the entire Whitey Bulger trial, and she's no nonsense.
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:18.079
Casper is a pro, and she denied the first change of venue.
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:21.280
Now they ask for a change of state, they want to move it out of Massachusetts.
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:23.119
I suspect it was just filed today.
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:25.599
I suspect Casper's gonna deny that too.
00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:29.440
Um, but that's a the this is a they're throwing a Hail Mary right now.
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:31.519
Let's get this case out of Massachusetts.
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:43.760
But to answer your question, I think it's going to be um, I think it's gonna be a little bit of a maybe even a week to get the right jury pool set for this particular case.
00:49:43.920 --> 00:50:03.199
And I'm sure the defense is gonna use every tool that they have in the toolbox to find people who don't have any idea who Sandra Birchhmore is, who Karen Reid is, who even Lindsay Clancy, because these are all sell shore cases where there are major questions being asked about how the investigations were conducted.
00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:12.000
Do you think do you or do you think or you see, or have you heard maybe whispers of the state even filing charges in this case?
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:17.599
I mean, I think Meatball Morrissey wants to ride off into the excuse me, Michael Morrissey.
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:25.360
I did not mean to say that, but Michael Morrissey is gonna ride off into the sunset when you know obviously he didn't run for re-election.
00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:37.840
I think that this is a guy who's been around for a long time, and there was always like a little questions about Michael Morrissey, even when he was a lawmaker back at the statehouse himself.
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:44.159
You know, he was involved with some people that including one who took his own life, Brian Joyce.
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:46.559
You know, he was he was very close friends with him.
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:59.039
And when Brian Joyce was arrested by federal prosecutors for a slew of crimes that went right down to free cups of coffee from dunks, you know, uh, you know, that Joyce and Morrissey were very tight.
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:04.960
So Morrissey has uh escaped a lot of different scandals uh over the past few decades.
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:13.039
I feel like he's a guy that's gonna have to retire far, far down the cape when no one's gonna see him, or he perhaps even move out of state.
00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:17.119
You know, that's that's my prediction about Michael Morrissey right now.
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:19.840
But I think he's gonna fade off into the sunset.
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:24.159
Yeah, I mean, that was the other um you had mentioned Dr.
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:32.639
Michael Baden's name, and there was another person that the the judge allowed in because the defense was trying to have excluded as potential witnesses.
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:38.719
Yeah, there was some witnesses, uh other witnesses that talked about how her neck was broken.
00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:54.559
Like it's not possible to be a suicide, and also how the bones and I'm not a forensic medical examiner, but the bones in her nose show that somebody put their hand over her mouth in a forceful way and choked the life out of her.
00:51:54.800 --> 00:52:04.159
So I think you know, the prosecution had a lot of wins, but the defense had some wins too, saying that they could bring her mental history into this case.
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:12.159
I think if there are women on the jury, they're gonna take a look at those allegations that she had problems and say, well, who created those problems?
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:19.599
And it might not be a good time to bring up mental problems with the woman, too, with the with the Lindsay Clancy thing still weighing in the background.
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:23.760
You know, if you're the defense, you do so at great peril, I think, if you bring that up.
00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:26.800
I'm really maybe at this point there's no deal on the table.
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:31.119
They had um they already took the death penalty off.
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:34.559
And so what what what could they possibly deal?
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:38.400
I think they're just gonna throw throw everything at the wall and see what sticks.
00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:42.719
Yeah, well, I mean, for his advantage, going to a federal prison is much better than going to state prison.
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:49.920
I mean, you you you would you would choose that over state prisons any day, especially as a former police officer, but grind out loud.
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:51.280
I mean, where could he go?
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:55.440
You know, there when they tried to get a bail package for him earlier this year, it was really strange.
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:57.599
He got arrested in August of 2024.
00:52:57.679 --> 00:52:59.280
He's been held without bail since.
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:05.119
Earlier this year, if suddenly there's a flurry of motions from his defense saying, let's let him get out.
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:06.880
But where is he gonna go?
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:09.039
He can't, he's a danger to society.
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:11.199
A judge ruled, he's a danger to children.
00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:16.960
The same judge ruled, the same judge called the evidence against him overwhelming in writing.
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:22.480
So I think you know, he couldn't go home because he'd be in the presence of children.
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:32.079
So where what could what kind of life could Matthew Fowl possibly have if he is by some miracle acquitted of this crime?
00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:39.440
Yeah, well, he's got nowhere to hide, but like I said, if he goes to jail, he's gonna have his own problems, but he'd still be better off in federal, federal jail than that.
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:42.880
Well, at least he can go to at least he can go to snitch jail.
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:45.840
Well, maybe they try to work out a deal.
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:53.280
I mean, you would even say, well, listen, he maybe work out a deal where he'd be close to home, but apparently uh the wife don't want anything to do with him either.
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:54.159
I mean, who knows?
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:55.679
No one's heard anything from her at all.
00:53:55.760 --> 00:54:06.480
So I don't know what her position in this entire uh case is, but I I can imagine it's not all love and rainbows at her home.
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:14.320
Now, is there anything in your reporting so far that you would think that would be detrimental to the prosecution's case?
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:16.800
No.
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:18.880
No, I can't.
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:25.360
I mean, look, they're gonna they're gonna pull out times where she was, she's definitely a girl with problems.
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:28.000
I don't think anyone is going to deny that.
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:30.559
Like she had some mental issues.
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:40.400
I don't think that they're gonna be able to sway a jury to say that those issues caused her to take her own life when she was so wildly excited about this baby.
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:49.760
You know, we had that in hours before we saw Farwell on the video, we saw her carrying in a car seat that had been a gift from her cousin.
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:55.280
And her cousin told me, Barbara Wright, there is no way Sandra took her own life.
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:58.079
And Matthew Farwell did this.
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:16.480
And those Barbara Wright and Darlene Smith, her aunt, these and the lawyer Steve Marulo, they fought really hard and they finally got the support they needed when the internal affairs outside agency report was commissioned, and then the feds come rolling in.
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:40.880
But remember, the FBI didn't show up in this case until two years later, which means if Matthew Farwell is indeed guilty, and we will find out and a jury will decide his fate, then there was a guy who was capable of this sort of crime with a badge out there for two years after Sandra Birchmore died, for until he was arrested.
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:47.840
So that is something that I think is going to be hard for the defense to overcome.
00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:57.360
Well, I have a feeling that between the journal entries, the text messages, I think Sandra's gonna help out her own case from the from the grave, so to speak.
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:06.960
I mean, those things are gonna be absolutely damning to any process uh any excuse me, any defense, because the prosecution is I listen, I think they lead off with this stuff.
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:11.039
I mean, if I'm the prosecutor, I set the tone with this case right from the beginning.
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Dump the text messages and everything else right at right in the beginning.
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All you have to do is read the FBI affidavit to see the very clear roadmap that I think the prosecution is going to use to prove that Matthew Farwell committed this crime.
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And the evidence that I read in the FBI affidavit is very damning.
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And that was long before I knew that they had his DNA on the alleged murder weapon or in her underwear.
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Yeah.
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So I think that if you read the FBI affidavit, the search warrant affidavit, it lays it out there pretty clearly.
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Uh they have text messages, they have emails, they have all kinds of things that say, hey, he didn't want her to have this baby.
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Someone had called his job and said Detective Farwell is having an affair with Sandra Birchmore and she's pregnant with his baby.
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This is a guy who was very desperate to stop her from talking, which is how the feds came up with the you know, silencing a witness charge in this, which I think might be a little bit harder to prove, unless we know she was talking to the feds.
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We know the feds were around, who knows?
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Right.
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Is there anything I didn't ask you that uh we no?
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I think this is I think we covered everything.
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Pretty much so, and we've been sharing uh your website, uh, your official website, and also your your uh your social media uh pages.
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So if anybody wants to find and follow Michelle, make sure you go and check out those links.
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She's got her book on the website and all the articles that you can find on this case and more.
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Make sure you're following her because she said she's going to be there when this is happening.
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So we're gonna be looking forward to that, following what you what you write about, Michelle.
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So interesting.
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You know, I've been working on this case for so long now.
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I have never laid eyes on Matthew Farwell.
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So it'll be interesting to see this big guy lumbering into court.
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It's one of the things that you know the prosecution has mentioned.
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It's not just an age difference, it's like he's a big hulking guy.
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And she was a small child when she met the Farwell brothers and Robert Devine.
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Some people were asking where the um website is.
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The link is right there up on the screen, folks.
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Michelle McFeet.com.
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So make sure you go there.
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Make sure you're following her on X and all her other socials.
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She's on Instagram.
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You can find her.
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If you find one of them, you can get all of her links.
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Michelle, you hang out with me one second.
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We're gonna say goodbye to everybody.
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Listen, folks, thank you for hanging out on us on a Tuesday night, and we'll talk to you soon.
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Bye now.
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